Within Treason: Witch's Boo (The Impeachment Inquiry, Part 9)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Things are accelerating at a rapid pace against Pres Bone Spurs.

So glad Dumb Jr spilled the beans about Tulsi as if we didn't already know.

Is the unredacted Mueller report on track to get to Congress tomorrow, despite the stay?

He has no credibility whatsoever, while his accusers in the foreign service and civil service bring with them boatloads of credibility — in spite of the attempts of tRump’s sycophants to smear them as traitors to Dear Leader.

Someone on the last thread asked about examples deplorable sentiment shifting. This is just anecdotal and I don’t have any examples of actual abandonment, but I am seeing embarrassment that I didn’t see previously. For instance I have a Trump loving friend and her brother often makes positive statements about her pro-Trump Facebook posts. On her last post he responded positively but referred to Trump as a blustering big mouth. Similarly a Trump approving uncle this summer made a statement that he wished Trump would stop tweeting and keep his mouth shut.

[quote] So glad Dumb Jr spilled the beans about Tulsi as if we didn't already know.

What did he say?

That she's a Repub plant!

Wow, Don Junior is retarded.

Don Jr is such a useful idiot.

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AP:

Top Trump adviser steps down ahead of impeachment testimony

Top adviser to Trump resigns ahead of testimony.

So true.....

Can we agree that if you post a link to something on this thread that it would be nice to write a few words about what it is? A lot of people are just skipping your posts otherwise.

Doesn't bother me one way or the other. I can read the link preview most times and figure it out. If someone has their link previews turned off, it's no one else's responsibility to cater to anyone else's sensibilities.

R15, why not just write a couple of words? It would literally take almost no effort. A lot of people have their previews turned off at work or in public.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday tweeted a fake image showing him putting a medal with a paw print around the neck of a dog used by U.S. special operations forces in the raid that killed Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in Syria. The president shared the altered image, which The Daily Wire tweeted the day before, after first revealing a declassified photo of the Belgian Malinois on Monday.

[quote]You must accept the fact President Trump is my President.

[quote]This is an unfair process being driven by sore losers.

[quote]There is not one vote [from Republicans] in the United States Senate to impeach President Trump based on this phone call because he did nothing wrong.

R18 Miss Lindsey has the potential for MTF from th@ pic!

OMG that is a damn good Ms Lindsey pic!!

R16 sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. It depends on if I'm using a computer or phone. Some phone browsers make it difficult to type especially when it needs the end of the thread. Those that have their previews off can check later or in their phones or not at all.

ABC:

Twitter CEO announces no more political ads: Zuckerberg, Biden, Trump camps respond

Good for Twitter!

And oh yes, on topic....FUCK TRUMP.

RT is also quite concerned, R22.

Why Russian state media has their panties in such a bunch over US political ads, I have NO IDEA.

Lawrence O'Donnell just speculated that Bolton won't appear even under subpoena because he wants to keep all the information for his book. It's good ole $$$$ he's concerned about.

R25 I was just going to post that. Looks like Bolton is all about the money, not a patriot.

But it's gonna be interesting if the judge rules that the other guy - who asked the court to determine if he has to follow the subpoena or the WH - has to obey a Congressional subpoena. What will Bolton do then, be in contempt of court?

CNN:

Key House panel sends impeachment resolution to the floor ahead of Thursday's vote

NYT:

Two Disputed Judicial Nominees Could Help Trump Reach Milestone

[quote]Lawrence O'Donnell just speculated that Bolton won't appear even under subpoena because he wants to keep all the information for his book. It's good ole $$$$ he's concerned about.

When the Democrats have the House, Senate, and White House, they need to pass a law that anyone who is found in contempt of Congress for failing to appear for a Congressional subpoena cannot profit from their crime in any way.

NBC sez Bolton sez he will testify.

R31, yeah, Bolton’s lawyer said he would testify if subpoenaed.

I just say don't get your hopes up about Bolton even if he does testify. He is a repub after all and he wants to ensure he can continue making money after the Trump era is over

Been out of touch for almost a week (wildfires, long story) and am now catching up. Things seem to be accelerating. Finally! Bone Spurs looks so fucking craven and guilty next to the true patriots testifying these days.

Trump should be found guilty and sentenced to eternal solitary confinement. However, anyone in the Trump Administration who aided Trump or is guilty of defying a subpoena, like John Bolton, should be sentenced to spend a week in the isolation room with Trump. And they both have to be naked.

[quote]spend a week in the isolation room with Trump. And they both have to be naked.

There's already volunteers for that.

Could someone make a meme of Mizz Lindsey/Scarlett surrounded by all her beaus at the Twelve Oaks BBQ like Matt Gaytz and Moscow Mitch etc...?

Well a girl has only got two sides to her at a table.

from Rawstory:

[quote]President Donald Trump told attendees at a House Republican fundraising event that he didn’t believe first lady Melania Trump would cry for him if he ever got shot. According to Politico, Trump praised Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) for being “tough” during the event and recalled visiting him in the hospital after he got shot by a crazed gunman during a softball practice in 2017. Trump also talked about Scalise’s wife, whom he said “cried her eyes out when I met her at the hospital that fateful day.” The president then added that, “I mean not many wives would react that way to tragedy, I know mine wouldn’t.”

Yeah, Donald. Because your wife hates your guts.

The MSM agog at the "pace" the enquiry is happening, compared to the Hpuse's response to Mueller. That's because Adam Schiff is in charge!

Cry? For this clown? 🤡

Ha!!! She’d be celebrating right along with the rest of us.

So who were the two Democrats who voted "no"? The one guy from NJ, I assume. And the other?

R42 a guy from Minnesota.

Reuters:

U.S. House lawmakers secure enough votes to pass Trump impeachment rules

Oops r42, Collin Peterson is his name.

Thanks r43 and r45.

Tim Morrison is sexy. I bet that tall drink of water has some low-swinging manmeat.

Is it lack of access, or drought, or what, because DL seems to be able to pornify anything.

Deep thoughts from Vanky.

Congresswoman Jackie Speier, who was shot and left for dead at Jonestown, reacts to Devin Nunes' latest idiocy:

Devin Nunes calling the Intelligence Committee’s fact-finding mission a cult is despicable. I know about cults. Cults are led by maniacal narcissists who expect complete adoration and relinquishment of independent thought. I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere.

R48, I'm going to play the man card and tell you that you don't know what it's like to have testosterone. All men with high sex drives think this way ,every day, all day. It's primal. We look at it and I think, can I fuck it, eat it or play with it? Here on DL we're hear to play, if I want straight news I'll go elsewhere.

And when you're a celebrity, they let you get away with it.....

You know. As I've been following this scandal of Trump and the Ukrainians, I was almost reassured to discover how many foreign policy professionals worked in the WH. People with credentials. Too often in the past, my impression is an almost deserted WH with few staff who knew what they were doing, and then, suddenly I learn about all these people from both the WH and the State department, and all my concerns about no one being in charge were dispelled.... a little. But now, we're seeing some of these same very competent people announce their resignations, and I get worried all over again, because now the WH really will be deserted and all the truly competent people will be gone.

Don’t sweat it, r52. Jared is still there!

r40, you don't even live in the US. Enquiry is a dead giveaway.

I hope the Dems keep things lean, incisive and devastating. Watch Republicans flail...

Now that this is going public, watch polling -- because the GOP Senators sure as hell will (at least as much as they can while hiding under their desks...)

Donald fucked Ivanka?

R52, hardly anyone IS in charge, really. These people you're seeing come forward are the ones who have been sidelined and stuck with towing a terrible party line for a long while and have found a bandwagon they can join to get at least a little self-respect back.

I used to think that Donald just *wanted* to fuck Ivanka but I’ve actually come around to the idea that they actually have fucked.

I mean, he thinks he’s entitled to anything he wants. You think he would draw the line at Ivanka’s pussy?

Commander Bedbugs will throw Pence under the bus as a diversion and to keep Pence from developing a Republican bandwagon for Pence to ascend to the presidency as an alternative to remain supportive of Trump. Give it time. 'Mother' may have some restless nights ahead.

R59 NOPE, especially not since he made/owns it.

R59 and R61, even if he did or didn't, I bet that little Vanky will pull that card out if/when the shit hits the fan in order to gain public sympathy. No doubt she's going to play the victim card in all of this.

Love to hear DL's predictions on public hearings.

Highs, lows, in-betweens...

The Hill: Trump slams 'witch hunt' after House impeachment vote

In a tweet sent immediately after the vote Thursday morning, Trump declared the impeachment probe "The Greatest Witch Hunt In American History" - echoing language he has often used to describe the impeachment inquiry and special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation before that.

White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham, in a separate statement also issued moments after the vote, derided "Democrats' unhinged obsession with this illegitimate impeachment proceeding." She cast the inquiry as "fundamentally un-American" and argued that Democrats were wasting time on "a sham impeachment at the expense of the administration's policy priorities, like trade and border security."

Halloween III: Season of the Witch Hunt

NYT:

A Divided House Endorses Impeachment Inquiry Into Trump

When oh when is Congress going to get the unredacted Mueller report with all the juicy bits put back in?

Yahoo:

State Department agrees to turn over Ukraine documents, potentially providing Democrats with impeachment fodder

Yeah but how redacted are those documents going to be?

Yeah but how redacted are those documents going to be?

They will be Ptera-dacted

Pompeo will probably take a dump on the materials first, smearing his feces all over it.

R67, only when we have a Democrat in the WH in 2021 (God willing) and a new AG.

Assuming, of course, that the current DOJ doesn't shred the document.

True, George. Good you expressed it.

However, please explain Kellyanne. She has been low-key lately, except when she is regularly violating the Hatch Act.

Funny sidebar: Someone paid the Mooch on Cameo to do a video cheering on Gov. Steve Bullock in his Presidential campaign.

Does anyone else get the feeling some deals are being worked out? Bolton saying he'd testify if subpoenaed = he'll 'reluctantly' tell the truth, allowing him to save face with Repugs.

The only deal being worked out is the one you do for drugs R76

From the Ivanka line....

Testimonies:

[quote]I got mine in 2plus size. Snug, but soft and stretches nicely. Wonderful print.

Sarah

[quote]Gives me the sensation of closeness to my beloved President. I feel tingly and safe wearing them. Easy to wash and hang dry in the bathroom.

Miz Lindzey

[quote]Beautiful and sexy. I have two pair. Recommend highly.

Matt G.

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Miz Lindsey rallying the GOP troops:

Today was historic. TOday the Republican House voted against all the measures they have been fighting for...rules drawn up by John Boehner....

You gotta be a special kind of stupid to believe anything they say. I mean there's no logic to their lies.

Jennifer Rubin:

Important: Each time GOP uses "no due process" argument it is incumbent on press to point out this is false. The resolution provides more due process than afforded any other president in history. Ask what other due process do they want? They will not be able to name anything.

Miss Lindsey has announced he is stepping down as Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

R82, he doesn't want the onerous responsibility of presiding over a trial.

^^^ The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the trial.

More Fuckery.

TRUMP IS COMMITTING 'FELONY BRIBERY' BY GIVING FUNDRAISING CASH TO GOP SENATORS AHEAD OF IMPEACHMENT TRIAL: EX-BUSH ETHICS LAWYER

Sorry about the bad link in R85

Painter is great lol I always look forward to him appearing on TV and going after Trump.

Rep. David Cicilline (D-RI) receives a death threat

Good comment at Cicilline's Twitter thread:

"We can all thank GOP propagandists and enablers like Collins, Jordan, Graham, Nunes and their ilk for this behavior."

Stay safe, David! Hope the feds track down this would be civil war-starter and he ends up like John Wilkes Booth.

Deplorables are the biggest pussies of all. They hide behind their guns because they are weak, scared little babies. They talk tough but have to have their fellow bubbas surround them to feel tough. They are the biggest whiners of all.

An motorized army of deplorables on mobility scooters - the horror, the horror, the horror.

Rich Painter is the crankiest, crank whoever cranked!

shame on those 2 Democrats who voted no

shame on the more moderate repubs like Hurd and Kinzinger who voted no.

Speaking of threats of civil war, here's cousin-fucking Louie Gohmert, right on schedule ...

Televangelist Paula "Creflonia Dollar" White appointed to White House job

I hope David Cicilline reported that Republican cunt to the FBI.

But OF COURSE Will Hurd voted no (unless he was one of the absent votes).

Even their "sane" ones aren't much different from the others.

Wrong r99, Your beloved Trumpie will be IMPEACHED by the House. It's happening.

Whatever else happens, he will always be one of only three presidents to be IMPEACHED.

DEAL WITH IT.

And he'll be impeached because he breaks our country's laws every day and finally some of that is catching up to him.

Will Hurd has been all over news shows for months portraying himself as highly ethical and principled, and disapproving of Trump's disturbing antics. Then, he votes against the procedures for the impeachment inquiry.

Stop interviewing this guy. He is not even running again anyway.

Ann Coulter humiliating herself on twitter

R99 Did you mean to post that in the "Lets be Russian Troll Farm Trolls" thread?

Today's vote was no surprise. Even the repubs who hate Trump and want his ass out voted no, because they know the Majority will rule, so no reason to step out of their lane and spend the next month getting roasted by Dear Leader on Twitter. The real tell will be after the evidence is presented. If they're in a swingy district, they'll have to think a little bit about their vote. Plus maybe some of the retiring congress critters might do an FU vote on their way out.

Trump is going to be in NYC tomorrow night for at WWE event at Madison Square Garden. Security will be “stringent.”

You can just see Coulter's eyes rolling in her trademark contemptuous exasperation as she bangs out that idiotic mistake. Has she admitted her stupidity?

Well Coulter is having brain fog again. She probably hasn't eaten in three days other than a martini olive.

I don't disagree that he will be impeached by the House - it's no matter as he will be re-elected by a landslide. The Dems have nobody that can beat him. And he will get the Republican House back - so go ahead, impeach him. It is only acting as a re-election vehicle. And you are ignoring the IG report and Durham's investigation that are being timed for release for maximum effect resulting in the annihilation the corrupt Democratic party.

^^^HI Tulsi!

[quote] Trump is going to be in NYC tomorrow night for at WWE event at Madison Square Garden. Security will be “stringent.”

Meaning anyone caught booing him will be shot.

(Just kidding. It’s a UFC fight; those cousin-fuckers are all in the bag for Trump.)

Congratulations, NYC!!!! Trump is officially changing his state of residence to Florida.

You've got be FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!

Nope.

The New York Times reports:

In late September, Mr. Trump changed his primary residence from Manhattan to Palm Beach, Fla., according to documents filed with the Palm Beach County Circuit Court. Melania Trump, the first lady, also changed her residence to Palm Beach in an identical document.Each of the Trumps filed a “declaration of domicile” saying that the Mar-a-Lago Club, Mr. Trump’s resort in Palm Beach, will be their permanent residence. White House officials declined to say why Mr. Trump changed his primary residence, but a person close to the president said the reasons were primarily for tax purposes.

More like the fact that New York is on to him and pursuing his ass for prosecution. Florida also has a corrupt Gov and AG.....Remember Pam Bondi took a payoff not to prosecute Trump for Trump University when she was AG.

I told you Jared is transitioning. He registered to vote as a woman.

Again, if this were Obama, this "scandal" would be it's own cottage industry.

OOps.

I thought you had to reside for 6 months + 1 day in a state to claim residence?

Man, we do have some inept trolls, don't we? I was going to reply to R109 but why bother? The post is so self-evidently stupid, or trolling, or both, that no response is necessary.

r119...he may be a troll, but he also might be onto something. Theres a reason all of the depts overseeing our elections have been disbanded...and a reason McConnell is blocking all the election security bills. 2020 will make 2016 look like childs play. You have State election boards installing digital machines...whose companies are owned by Russian Oligarchs...Remember how everyone was astounded that the polling for 2016 had Clinton winning by a landslide ? Polling is never THAT off , especially in a Presidential election.

Reality Winner is in prison for leaking documents showing our election systems were hacked by Russia...not the voting rolls...the actual election tallies.

[quote]The New York Times reports:

[quote]In late September, Mr. Trump changed his primary residence from Manhattan to Palm Beach, Fla., according to documents filed with the Palm Beach County Circuit Court. Melania Trump, the first lady, also changed her residence to Palm Beach in an identical document.Each of the Trumps filed a “declaration of domicile” saying that the Mar-a-Lago Club, Mr. Trump’s resort in Palm Beach, will be their permanent residence. White House officials declined to say why Mr. Trump changed his primary residence, but a person close to the president said the reasons were primarily for tax purposes.

[bold]Per the Constitution, the President and Vice President can't be from the same state.[/bold]

Trump changes his residence to Floriduh:

"Changing his primary residence could carry significant tax implications for Mr. Trump, although how much is unclear without seeing his returns. But in changing his residence to Florida, he would most likely be avoiding New York State’s top tax rate of nearly 9 percent and New York City’s top rate of nearly 4 percent.

Leaving New York could also save money for Mr. Trump’s heirs at the time of his death. New York imposes a top estate tax rate of 16 percent for estates larger than $10.1 million.

In an article in the Florida Bar Journal in January 2019, three lawyers with Proskauer Rose wrote about the recent wave of people moving from New York to Florida in “large part” because of the repeal of the state and local tax deduction that was a byproduct of the tax bill that Mr. Trump signed into law in 2017."

In a statement after The New York Times reported on Mr. Trump’s move, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York said: “Good riddance. It’s not like Mr. Trump paid taxes here anyway. He’s all yours, Florida.”

The president and the vice-president can be from the same state. It affects electoral votes. Electors from that state can't vote for both the pres and VP if they're both from that state.

Politico:

Judge chides DOJ for trying to block star Mueller witness testimony

In case anyone was wondering where the Daily Heil stood on the impeachment issue, the headline:

"Nancy Pelosi sets up ultra-partisan televised impeachment probe by jamming new rules through House without Republican backing - and two of her own side vote AGAINST new stage in investigating Donald Trump"

The Hill:

Trump says poor treatment and high taxes prompted permanent residence change

[quote]despite the fact that I pay millions of dollars in city, state and local taxes each year

Show us the tax returns then!

Would it be harder to serve him in Florida?

I love how the media points out the big whole two Dems who voted against the procedures today yet fail to mention the conservative independent in the same manner. They act like the two Dems who voted against is tantamount to bipartisan opposition but say nothing of the like for the conservative independent.

Florida has laws blocking forfeiture of the primary residence.

A coincidence, I'm sure.

r131 one of the two is a Blue Dog Democrat, which cannot go away fast enough.

More from the Daily Heil's fair and balanced coverage:

[quote]Two rebel Democrats who defied Nancy Pelosi and voted AGAINST impeachment say process their party pushed through is 'hopelessly partisan' and inquiry will 'fail in the Senate'

R133 We need blue dogs. They vote with us far more than any GOPer would. We can make inroads in those areas. Those voters are economic liberals for the most part. They believe in SS and Medicare and govt services. They are, usually, socially conservative and vote that way because of it.

From R128: “I have been treated badly . . . Few have been treated worse . . . .” This is pure Trump. All he ever does is whine.

r135 they're dying out and he's one of the last remaining ones. He's spouting Republican talking points. He's Tulsi Gabbard.

Posted without comment

(They're a "Witch Hunt")

Did people actually hunt witches back in the day or something? Where did that phrase come from?

Salem Witch Trials....they were all falsely accused as the result of mass hysteria.

Despite her hooters, Kimberly G. is becoming much more masculine than Junior Mint.

Kimberly Gargoyle. She truly does look like one. I can't fucking believe she was once married to Gavin Newsom and served as First Lady of SF.

Perhaps even more than Trump, I live to see Junior get his comeuppance.

[quote]I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse.

Anyone sane would ask themselves why, but of course that doesn't apply in this case.

Boasting to a crowd you could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it does rather lack civic merit.

Because he deserves it! He's the most corrupt "President" by far, not to mention the most incompetent, mentally ill, and cares not a shit about this country.... He can't even tell the truth about his weight. He blackmailed his doctor to list it as 235 when it's so obvious he's close to 300 pounds.

He's a fat pig and he's married to a Russian Whore!

Batman or Bill Barr?

Slovenian, Blanche! ...Slovenian.....

David Brooks really is a pathetic coward, isn't he? What a dumb fuck.

R149 Yea I read that and felt compelled (as did many others) to write a response. He got chastised and slapped down quite a bit. Such a defeatist attitude.

Brooks is such a stupid shit. A fucking loser. The piece was fucking obnoxious; zero humility, so certain about the way forward when people like him fucked everything up.

He's perfect for the "both sides" Times. His attitude is just one facet of the overall way the Times is helping to destroy democracy. Fucking losers.

Bloomberg:

Analysis: Trump’s Presidency on Treacherous New Ground After House Vote

Get him, Nancy!

Check out this poll. And public testimony hasn’t even started yet.

Post/ABC poll on Trump’s approval among Republicans:

July 87% now 74%

18% of Republicans say Congrese should impeach Trump and remove him from the presidency.

Isn't she the person that all of the millennials were shouting to replace as Speaker? Isn't she too old? Isn't she senile? Isn't it time for new leadership? Which one of the " new breed" could manipulate the process better? We're waiting.

R140. They didn't hunt witches, they hunted any woman they couldn't control.

We've had a more than a few in modern history too.

He's leaving New York because Bill DeBlasio said they would arrest him if he shot someone on 5th Avenue. He now will shoot someone on a main drag in Florida. I have no idea what that street would be called. But they won't arrest him there.

Just remember. Every single thing that Trump, his people, and the Republicans in Congress say or do is designed to improve their standing with Republicans.

So we need to have an antidote for that the way we'd have one for snake bites. We haven't done nearly enough with Syria. Yes. Because Trump is getting impeached for violating the Constitution and the Laws of the land with the Ukrainian affair, but public sentiment will turn against him for Syria/Kurds.

and as a sidebar we need to exploit his disloyalty in terms of the relationship with Putin . Putin has not suffered nearly enough vis a vis his public image. That needs to change. Demonizing Putin should have been easy. I found it incredibly interesting that he started working on improving his world image almost 20 years ago.

The fact is the destabilization and the refugee crisis that is hitting Europe in waves was instigated and created largely by Putin in the Middle East. Every single time the news media covers the Syrians, or the refugees, they need to link it to Putin. He needs to have it round his neck just like "E-mails".

Erdogan has been an old whore with his hands down Putin's pants for years. So if I'm a Democratic consultant that's all on my to do list.

R158 here. Trump and McConnell and Graham know that they have to staunch the bleeding and they can't afford to lose support. So they will be saying and doing things to try to stop it. The numbers saying that it's 49/49 in general among public polls to remove him is not good. It means they can nudge those numbers up just a little and stay on course. We need to drive the numbers down, so that every Republican in Congress knows it is hopeless.

[quote]Post/ABC poll on Trump’s approval among Republicans: July 87% now 74%

If other polls duplicate these numbers, the Repugs will be in panic mode.

Witch hunting has an even longer history in Europe.

Saw a video clip of the trump Halloween party DJT JR and the ugly whore attended. It had a witch hunt theme. Disgusting and weird.

As a lifelong liberal from a third generation family of Democrats (don't know what they were before) I simply do not understand the Republican mindset. I try, and can see it from the William F. Buckley point of view, but today's repukes are simply mean, stupid, hateful, ignorant creeps. Idiots and fools. Storming the SKIFF, dropping empty moving boxes at Democrat's office doors, lying and making fools of themselves daily. And they have a stranglehold on the gov't they got by lying and cheating.

Craven deplorables, all.

I am not impressed with David Brooks' article, basically advocating Democrats take a defeatists' approach. Maureen Dowd, and a few others, are in the same contingent of NYT writers

Some NYT columnists are slightly veiled Republicans; others are shit-stirers to promote themselves and the media product.

Impeach, whether the Senate convicts or not. Put all of Congress on record. Democrats cannot ignore Trump's criminal activity and give it a pass. Pelosi is doing the right thing the right way.

This is insane.. this is a battle for our democracy! WTF is wrong with these people! I am somewhat heartened but the 13% drop in approval among repubs. That is pretty big but they won't be crossing the ailse and voting for Liz I have a feeling.

R155 I am pretty sure it was more Russian bots and division trolls than actual American millennials en masse.

Nancy rocks and I am sure perceptive people from all generational cohorts recognize that.

As an aside I got a call from a poller on my landline Tuesday night. I’m guessing it was the WaPo poll that just came out.

Unfortunately, those monsters regard all polling that go against them as "fake news."

R164 many NYT columnists are Republicans, no veiled about it. Such as David Brooks. If you think the paper is liberal with a few outliers, you are wrong. It's middle of the road at best, leans right at worst.

David Brooks is not a slightly veiled Republican; he IS a full-throated (Bush-style) Republican.

The NYTimes - like most papers with any integrity - has decent Op-Ed moderate and and more partisan writers from both sides of the aisle (as well as an independent or two).

Murdoch - on the other hand - only hires hacks.

They stormed the skiff!!!

[quote]He now will shoot someone on a main drag in Florida. I have no idea what that street would be called.

Daddy, Yer Crushin' My Cigarettes Boulevard

CNBC:

White House is 'prepared' for impeachment as Pelosi says public hearings could start this month

[quote]As a lifelong liberal from a third generation family of Democrats (don't know what they were before) I simply do not understand the Republican mindset.

Just think "aged fratboys from a party school" and you'll understand.

[quote]Unfortunately, those monsters regard all polling that go against them as "fake news."

Fine, their sense of entitled untouchability will make the reckoning even more devastating.

By all means let them sit by the tide (or swamp) and believe they can stop it advancing.

The crowd noises against Trump at the stadium weren't fake boos.

Lindsey has his pronouncements on Fox's Facebook page, beyond Twitter..

That dinner Lindsey had with the Murdochs & Zuckerberg appears to have results.

[quote]Speaking now in Pendleton, South Carolina on response to the House' impeachment vote. www.facebook.com/fox…

In South Carolina:

[quote]Rep. Joe Cunningham (SC-01) released the following statement: "Today’s vote was not a judgment or conclusion on whether or not President Trump should be impeached. Instead, this vote brings much needed transparency into the process and makes sure the American people can see and hear the facts. There were two choices in this decision - to keep this investigation behind closed doors or bring it out into the open for the American people to see. I chose the latter. I refuse to prejudge the outcome of this investigation and will withhold judgment on whether the President should be impeached until hearing all the evidence. This process is too important to be conducted behind closed doors, and today’s vote helps bring these investigations into public view for the American people to see for themselves. As I have said from the beginning, I will not allow politics to play a role in my ultimate decision. I will follow the facts wherever they lead, keep an open mind, and do what is in the best interests of this country and the people of South Carolina."

[quote]In response to the statements from Democrats, SCGOP Spokesman Joe Jackson said: “Democrats like Joe Cunningham chose to side with Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff and the socialist squad over their constituents, and have officially committed political malpractice. Americans will remember how these Democrats chose to pursue division and investigation over progress and promises.”

So Trump fawner, Joe Jackson, like most Republicans, doesn't address or defends Trump's constitutional and other alleged legal violations, he focused on the "socialist squad". Weak and pathetic, but panders to the deplorable base.

[quote]Daddy, Yer Crushin' My Cigarettes Boulevard

It's 'ciggys' you no acount Yankee!

That's just one poll, r154. There was a poll a few weeks ago showing the same drop, but was the only one to show it. If more do, then I'll believe it.

Who dropped empty boxes at Democrats' doors? WTF. I hadn't heard about that. Will someone please tell me WTF is going on. Do they really believe their good squad harassing members of Congress is going to work? And aside from a few guys like Matt Gaetz and Gym Jordan, who would be weak enough and scared of Trump enough to go along with it among GOP House members? Do they even care about decorum? This is not a frat house.They need to be exposed. Do they realize that people who live in their districts are dying because they can't afford insulin? Or they're getting shot because of unchecked gun violence? Do they give a fuck that the kids who live in their districts are getting no education, or that the drinking water is tainted? Most of the members of Congress are not rich. They do their own grocery shopping. Are they ever confronted in public? Because they should be. They stopped having town halls. People needto find them and demand accountability. They need to know we know. Ducking out the back door is not going to save them.

There are at least two different streets in Florida that are suitable for Trump's shooting fantasy: Ronald Reagan Parkway and Ronald Reagan Blvd.

Just sayin'.

R178, they don't care if the kids in their districts get little or no education. In fact, they prefer it. The dumber the populace, the easier it is to manipulate them.

Bill Kristol:

[quote]Having called around some, reassured in my judgment that those House Republicans open to voting for impeachment simply decided to stick with the party yesterday, and to save their dissent for the real vote. No point telegraphing the jail break to the prison guards ahead of time.

Since it's been determined that he can't be arrested, investigated or prosecuted, why can't he just shoot his opponents?

It would certainly win a debate.

I bet one of these Democrats/whistleblower/ truthteller is going to get killed by a Trump supporter. It's bound to happen. They are completely brainwashed and unhinged. And Trump is encouraging violence. It's getting worse.

Not really, R183. They've always been this bad. Their re-surgence is about getting energized by a manipulative con-man operating as the GOP's useful monkey in allowing the continuing dominance of monied interests in our politics.

Someone in another thread mentioned that the vast majority of the 'base' are people out of shape, overweight and not inclined to violence, but towards the big screen.

Politico: Senior W.H. lawyer John Eisenberg, who placed a record of Trump's call with Ukraine's president in a top-secret system, also instructed at least one official who heard the call, Lt. Col. Vindman, not to tell anyone about it.

r130 [quote]Would it be harder to serve him in Florida?

There is not state income tax, thus no reason for Florida to demand his tax returns.

That Florida wouldn't pursue him for his tax returns won't stop others from doing so. Florida won't protect him.

R130, not really. Most states have similar rules concerning service of process, and you ca’t evade valid service by hiding behind a locked door.

Washington Post:

As Trump moves to bully witnesses and derail impeachment, Democrats see obstruction

Beto has dropped out of the presidential race.

Who?

Pete watch how he does it, so you'll know how to do it when it's your turn soon.

Ivanka gets slammed for "inspirational" Thomas Jefferson quotation tweet to daddy:

[quote]“…surrounded by enemies and spies catching and perverting every word that falls from my lips or flows from my pen, and inventing where facts fail them.” - Thomas Jefferson’s reflections on Washington, D.C. in a letter to his daughter Martha. — Some things never change, dad!

Turns out Jefferson was defending himself against charges he fathered a kid by his slave Sally Hemings, something he was actually guilty of.

r125 Thanks for clarifying.

r158

[quote]Just remember. Every single thing that Trump, his people, and the Republicans in Congress say or do is designed to improve their standing with Republicans.

^^THIS - 1000 TIMES THIS^^^

It came to me after Trump published that stupid letter to Erdogan. [bold]Look at everything through a deplorable lens[/bold] Does it make sense to them. B/c according to Rick Wilson, the vulnerable Senators are most afraid of the base.

[quote]but public sentiment will turn against him for Syria/Kurds.

You are correct, we have not done enough about the Kurds. Right now I feel it is contigent on all of us to scour regional news sources and publish information about the Kurds. The Turks are quite open about their atrocities, even videotaping and posting them.

[quote]we need to exploit his disloyalty in terms of the relationship with Putin. Putin has not suffered nearly enough vis a vis his public image. That needs to change. Demonizing Putin should have been easy. I found it incredibly interesting that he started working on improving his world image almost 20 years ago.

True. Remember Putin with dogs, Putin friend of wildlife, Putin riding a horse shirtless with huge silver cross on his chest.

[r164]

[quote]I am not impressed with David Brooks' article, basically advocating Democrats take a defeatists' approach. Maureen Dowd, and a few others, are in the same contingent of NYT writers

Defeatism is death. During the darkest days of WWII, the Red Army would execute defeatists; Churchill jailed defeatists.

[r172]

[quote]White House is 'prepared' for impeachment as Pelosi says public hearings could start this month

The vote in the Senate cannot happen before the deadline for filing of primary challenges.

[r175]

[quote]That dinner Lindsey had with the Murdochs & Zuckerberg appears to have results.

Go after his lieutenants! Whatever they have on Graham needs to come out, he needs to be destroyed. I know this is a gay forum and agst your mores. Mine, too. Remember Graham traffics in hypocrisy. He needs to be made an example of. Be Trump's toady it comes out anyway. [italic](BTW, rumor is that its something called a Leningrad Express ??)[/italic]

r178

[quote]Who dropped empty boxes at Democrats' doors? WTF. I hadn't heard about that. Will someone please tell me WTF is going on. Do they really believe their good squad harassing members of Congress is going to work?

The deplorables love it, just like they love Gaetz's and Jordan's stunts.

r187

[quote]That Florida wouldn't pursue him for his tax returns won't stop others from doing so. Florida won't protect him.

My understanding is that b/c state income tax & fed income tax are related, then a state with income tax has standing in the state court to demand them. Could be wrong.

From TPM - behind paywall, money quote

[bold]Don’t Set the Bar So Low[/bold]

[quote]But of course this leads to setting a horribly low bar for Republicans. Chris Ruddy is getting press today for calling Trump’s notorious July 25th phone call with the President of Ukraine “inappropriate” and a “mistake.”

[quote]We should be clear that “inappropriate” doesn’t begin to cover what the President did. The call and the larger extortion scheme he orchestrated constitute a gross abuse of power and quite likely violated a number of major federal criminal laws.

Politico:

Stephanie Grisham says Trump was serious about fireside chat to read Ukraine call

r196, hey Stephanie...cunt...Trump is NO FDR!!!!!!

R144 my husband JUST said this.

Reuters:

Racially and ethnically motivated terrorism rose alarmingly in 2018 -U.S. State Dept

Examiner:

Joe Biden accuses Trump of covering up misdeeds with Ukraine

Oh joy, a fireside chat by Trump. As Trump speaks from a recliner by the fireplace with the season's all red tree, ordered by Melania, in the corner. Eagerly sitting in a semicircle around Trump's Bone spurred feet, are Devin Nunes, Gym Jordan, Mark Meadows, Matt Gaetz, Mr. Biggs, and Louie Gohmert. Midway through Trump's bizarre and acidic presentation, Miss Lindsey sashays into the room with Big Macs, fries, and diet Cokes for all. And Mulvaney helps, as a Kid Rock song in gently playing in the background..

It's amazing that Traitor45 thinks his liddle liar-side chat is going too help him with the American people, his base not withstanding.

He can read?

In the Dallas Morning News.

Louie Gohmert's conspiracy theory.

Just one of several they are trying to get generated widespread in the media. Of course, Fox obliges with this desperation.

NYT:

Can Trump Avoid Taxes by Leaving New York? It’s Not So Simple.

Washington Post:

Growing number of GOP senators consider acknowledging Trump’s quid pro quo on Ukraine

Yeah, they'll acknowledge it and then say there's nothing wrong with it. They all lie.

So extortion is no longer considered illegal?

Good to know

"Inappropriate but not impeachable" is the line I've heard tested out.

The President is above the law, R208, that's what this means. Don't assume that a mere citizen could get away with this.

r209 - they can't be allowed to set the language. From TPM- behind paywall, money quote

Don’t Set the Bar So Low

But of course this leads to setting a horribly low bar for Republicans. Chris Ruddy is getting press today for calling Trump’s notorious July 25th phone call with the President of Ukraine “inappropriate” and a “mistake.”

We should be clear that “inappropriate” doesn’t begin to cover what the President did. The call and the larger extortion scheme he orchestrated constitute a gross abuse of power and quite likely violated a number of major federal criminal laws.

r196, oh please let him do it. Let him do it. I'm sure his lawyers are trying to talk him out of it.

Let him go and read that confession...I mean transcript.

The House should have their own reading of the transcript with Alec Baldwin.

R212 Yes!!

R213 fucking brilliant. They’ll say it’s an attack etc but that’s where we are now.

The Independent: UK intelligence officials shaken by Trump administration’s requests for help with counter-impeachment inquiry.

One British official with knowledge of Attorney General Bill Barr’s wish list presented to London commented that “it is like nothing we have come across before, they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a hatchet job on their own intelligence services”.

[quote]they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a hatchet job on their own intelligence services

Let that sink in.

It's important to Barr/Trump to convince the public that Russia did not hack our elections . That's part of why they're actively attempting to discredit the Inte agencies. That justifies Trump lifting the Obama Sanctions. It is at the top of Putin's to do list for Donald. I can't see our Intel agencies allowing that. I have to believe they'll fight back. I have this theory that a lot of FBI, Counter Intel, CIA, and international intel were waiting for Mueller. THey had hoped Mueller would"get" Trump. But Barr blocked that. So now that the Ukraine affair has cracked open, I have a feeling we will see a flood of information leaking out, and evidence galore. It wasn't just one phone call by Trump and a few meetings by Rudy. It is a pattern of behavior going back since Trump won the nomination. Manafort was Ukraine. Rudy i in a lot deeper than most people realize with Ukraine. Remember the threads to Turkey too. Flynn was all over Turkey. Thi is going to blow wide open and it involves our Intel community and our allies all over the world. The Independent broke this story and it will gain traction. It's corroboration of what Barr has been up to running around Europe.

[quote] It's important to Barr/Trump to convince the public that Russia did not hack our elections . That's part of why they're actively attempting to discredit the Inte agencies. That justifies Trump lifting the Obama Sanctions.

Precisely! I hope this Independent story makes the news over here. This is serious shit.

If he does read it, it should be a unredacted version please.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

Sizzling Vapors!

WaPo: Smugglers are sawing holes in the new sections of the wall on the Mexican border.

Why hasn't someone in the international IC done a hatchet job on bloated Billy yet?

You know what he's up to and why. Send it to the WaPo, ffs! What are you waiting for? This punk ass bitch to get more of your people killed?

Because shit is real! And if you don't get rid of him, HE will have Putin get rid of YOU!

Spooks are supposed to be smarter than this fat fool!

[quote]One British official with knowledge of Attorney General Bill Barr’s wish list presented to London commented that “it is like nothing we have come across before, they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a hatchet job on their own intelligence services”.

Interesting that Barr seeks help from the service which facilitated the Steele Dossier. Beyond shameless of course, and reeking of arrogant entitlement.

But it also reveals recklessness, even desperation - as though absolutely anything goes now, more than ever, as nemesis steadily looms.

And they are doing it in such a blatant manner. They angered a lot of people who have their own connections and circle of loyal friends. How on earth could they think that it would be kept a secret? Putin has a lot of people in his pocket, but not everybody.

There is no way Murdoch's media empire could sell the narrative to the public that the Bidens are corrupt, or the CIA and FBI are planning to destroy Trump any more. Is it just another distraction?

Would anyone believe Trump winning the 2020 election would be legit?

BuzzFeed releases the first installment of the Mueller Report's secret memos. They reveal, among other things, that Manafort was advising the Trump campaign up through the election -- long after he was "fired" -- and Manafort copies Hannity on campaign memos.

How much you want to bet Trump is passing classified info to Hannity?

R228, so the campaign knew it was being advised, through Manafort, by Russia. Bannon repeatedly warned Jared about this. Jared, wouldn’t you know, was Manafort’s contact with the campaign after he was “fired.”

Thanks for the warning, R183.

Blubber Barr needs impeached on a dual front. Something made him an agent of the dark side. He's doing damage surpassing Trump.

Guys like Barr and Bannon make me believe in a Deep State Conspiracy that does its best to protect Putin's and Trump's interest and destroy the US and the rest of the world and push into chaos.

[quote]Blubber Barr needs impeached on a dual front.

Isn't it interesting how both Barr and Manafort got their jobs after sending unsolicited multipage offers of help? We know Trump doesn't read. I'm thinking this letter ploy is a cover for not wanting to explain the hiring process.

Like some couples don't like to explain how they met.

R234, good point. I’d forgotten about that weirdly unprofessional audition letter Barr sent to Trump.

R234, I beg you pardon. My husband and I met at the Boathouse Restaurant in Central Park, not in the bushes behind it!

[quote]Near the end of his segment yesterday, Chuck Todd was mentioning the FBS universities in Florida, noting his ties to Florida, followed by an enthusiastic welcoming of Trump as a new Florida permanent resident with a wink. Trump once called Todd "Sleepy Chuck", but Chuck, for a long time, delivers a lot of pro-Trump talking points with criticism of Democrats. This goes beyond the "both sidesism".

Non-college graduate Todd, should have pursued finishing a degree program at one of those seven football universities he mentioned.

Chuck fucking Toad, people! Get it right!

Chuck TOAD

CNN:

Mueller interview notes obtained by CNN show Trump's push for stolen emails

Bloomberg:

Pelosi Sets a High Bar for Impeachment Inquiry: ‘Ironclad’ Proof

ABC:

Possible contacts between Giuliani, former congressman examined in Ukraine probe

WSJ:

Trump Allies Ramp Up Efforts to Unmask Whistleblower

Mark Meadows is just a truly execrable person. The way he used his “friendship” with Elijah Cummings to prove that he did not bring a black woman into a hearing as a prop was a disgusting display.

He also is a former Birther and implied that Obama was born in Kenya at a campaign event. He really needs to FUCK OFF.

Washington Post:

A presidential loathing for Ukraine is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry

The Week:

Stephen Bannon told Jared Kushner to avoid Paul Manafort 'like the plague'

Meadows thinks because he has black grandchildren that he cant be a racist piece of shit....but he is.

R245, pieces of shit warning other pieces of shit to avoid pieces of shit.

R246, isn’t it just his niece and nephew who are biracial? Not grandchildren, although I can see him lying and saying that.

I had white Grandparents, aunts, Uncles, cousins, who "loved" me and my sister, and were hardcore racists. They were as illogical, and ignorant as you could ever imagine. My white mother would not let us go around them more than about three hours twice a year. We'd come late and leave early on Christmas Eve and 4th of July. and sometimes we had to miss 4th of July because we were "out of town."They're sick, twisted people and racist to the bone.

Racists can have their "pets" whom they treat cordial, but when those racists are in a mood and their pets act uppity they face the full on racism rage.

Washington Post:

Internal Mueller documents show Trump campaign chief pushed unproven theory Ukraine hacked Democrats

racists who have friends or relatives that are black do not see them as black. my neighbor or was a horrid racist had a friend that was black and he was dark so no mistaking that he was black. I said to the neighbor, I don't understand how you can be racist when you are good friends with Joe who is black. his response: Oh he's not really black.

Mark Sanford plans campaigning in N. H.

NYT interviews Kellyanne. What are they expecting to garner from her?

The Republicans who are putting the whistleblower's name out there can fuck right off

So the sound Ruby Julie emitted when he butt dialed that reporter wasn't just a series of wet, greasy farts?

Rand Paul tweeted out the whistleblower's name

Jesus Christ, these people are just the scum of the earth. What’s the point of naming the whistleblower now, except to ruin their life?

goes to show how many people watch Rand Paul. He tweeted that 2 days ago

That neighbor didn't beat his ass thoroughly enough, obviously

Rand is pro-Putie. Remember the trip he made to visit him?

It makes me feel dirty to link to his twitter....

Oh Rand, just shut up and move your damn leaves. And weren't you going to be some pretend independent Libertarian Senator once upon a time? Why all the whoring for Trump? What happened man?

Where's Yvoone Griddle when you need her?

Reuters:

Trump says he wants Ukraine's President Zelenskiy to visit the White House

NYT:

Trump Takes In a Different Kind of Fight: U.F.C. in New York

R266, it’s interesting that he got a “mixed” reaction from the crowd—you would think a UFC fight would be a safe space for him.

R265, if Zelensky is coming to DC, maybe Schiff can get in a quick deposition.

Donald Trump’s day so far:

- Goes to #UFC244 at Madison Square Garden

- Greeted with huge protests

- Wait, why is he in New York?

- Didn’t he just move to Florida?

- Secret Mueller memos prove Trump is guilty on everything

- Trump is going to prison

- It’s still only 9pm

Trump loathed Ukraine from the beginning because he was convinced they'd been mean to him.

The question the Republicans have to ask themselves is the same question they ask themselves whenever a major scandal erupts that is:

A) Absolutely True; B) Undeniable; C) Morally reprehensible: (i.e. Mueller Report. Access Hollywood Tapes, Guilty-as-Hell Brett Kavanaugh's nomination....)

Is it so bad that we have to give in and give up all the money and power we've accumulated so far?

Trump got BOOED again!

Next event though, instead of yelling "Lock Him Up!" , what about "Show Your Taxes!".

I'd love to see his expression when hearing that.

I think there were even some "fuck you"s this time.

Here we go...

Booing covers everything, and with Trump there's too much to say. Booing is the universal noise of contempt, known around the world. Useful for when these clips go viral.

Every Trump crowd now knows it has permission to boo, there's no boo taboo. In fact it'll be wrong not to. This is the narcissist-in-chief's new normal. Good times.

What is this sudden need for Trump to go out there and expose himself to uncontrolled crowds? You'd think after the stadium booing he'd avoid such events again.

If Trump tweets 3 times that he wasn't booed, the booing must have been massive.

Here is Trump enjoying the massive welcome cheers.

is it possible his campaign or the RNC paid for the seats that were near him as he entered? I saw a few different angles and some of the people in the crowd near where he entered were cheering but then there 2-3 other videos of fans further away booing the fuck out of him. NOTHING would surprise me. The lengths that Trump and his enablers would go to to ensure his fragile ego is somewhat protected. It just seemed too convenient that his supporters were near his entrance

I wonder if Trump has any friends. Have we ever seen him out and about with a bunch of guys? These are private events and he could bring his closest friends, instead he invites his political allies/asskissers and family. Who does he usually play golf with when he isn't busy indoctrinating Miss Lindsey on one of his trips?

Kevin McCarthy and Junior Mint were with DJT.

No Miss Lindzey? She's reserved for golf outings, and Trump won't allow himself to be photographed with just her.

UFC tickets are expensive. Most attendees would have more money than average audiences at a Trump rally.

Laura Prepon is a UFC groupie/fan.

Take Miss L to watch sweaty men in booty shorts wrestling and grinding against each other? Her erection lasting more than 4 hours would have been too embarrassing.

Imagine being such a piece of shit that you go shopping around lower and lower for sporting events where you might get a positive reception. He'll be at a fucking Alabama tractor pull before long.

R282. True. She can only get away with wearing hoop skirts at Civil War reenactments, costume balls, and hosting gentleman callers in privacy. Hoop skirts would hide erections though.

[quote]Lower bowl tickets for UFC 244 were fetching over $600 a seat on the secondary market Saturday.

The guy between Trump and his son Eric in R277's pic is good looking.

Right after the election, there was a Daily Beast article that said that Manafort had never stopped advising the campaign, and he was in daily touch with Pence as they chose people for administration posts. Since it is now confirmed that Manafort never stopped advising the campaign... has anyone asked Pence about his daily conversations with Manafort?

CNN's Elie Honig on the secret memos published by BuzzFeed:

Turns out Trump instructed his staff, "Get the emails."

Which is the same as telling staff, "Go collude."

Which is very different than "NO COLLUSION."

Also: why was this fact omitted or redacted from the Mueller report?

Indications that the RNC had advanced knowledge of the WikiLeaks release.

Busy, busy GOP Congressmen.

Barr redacted a lot of stuff. And there's only two reasons to redact: Legitimate National Security concerns, or information that was still relevant to an ongoing investigation. I think Barr redacted anything he thought would incriminate POTUS, or make him look bad.

hat whole crowd is scum. Trump, Pence, Barr, & Pompeo. Throw in McGahn, Hope Hicks,Kelly Anne, Jared & Ivanka, Brad Parscale and Steve Bannon. Bannon is a liar of the same calibre as Manafort. And that's pretty damned bad.

Michael Flynn isa rotten traitor and needs to face serious prison time. I Remember when we all believed that Flynn was giving them information and that's why they recommended a light sentence too. I think if you take each one of those principle characters, and do a deep dive into the magnitude of their wrong-doing, it would require a very tough consequence.

What I'm trying to figure out is why these people are so damned arrogant. They all act as if there are no consequences for what they've been up to. I think they're convinced they will not have to pay any penalty. They will some how escape it.Same for the fools who shield them in Congress. Nunes is truly evil.

[quote]What I'm trying to figure out is why these people are so damned arrogant. They all act as if there are no consequences for what they've been up to. I think they're convinced they will not have to pay any penalty. They will some how escape it. Same for the fools who shield them in Congress. Nunes is truly evil.

I think they believe a coup and a dictatorship are coming next.

it is the same mindset of, Oh that will never happen to me, it only happens to others. they will all be in for a big surprise. there will be arrests connected to this administration for years to come.

Either they are part of some "end of the world / New World Order" cult or they count on their actions being rewarded when Trump and Putin run the world.

I think that a lot of it is fear. I think we will eventually find out that a lot of these politicians have done some very evil things. Trump knows how to get the goods on others to use as blackmail. Some enjoy the power but I think most are just scared to death that their misdeeds will be outed.

Someone in another thread mentioned a new, two word description: titty rack. Well, here's the Barr-rack.

I'd be shocked if Trump wasn't blackmailing people

r294. Russia hacked the GOP's email servers and found out how they fucked with past election results. Putin piggy backed on that established voter fraud system by sending his assets to take over and enhance that operation by bribing, threatening and blackmailing the people in charge. The GOP's hands are pretty much tied. If they openly defy Putin the entire party is fucked when Putin shows the receipts of their voter fraud in the past Wikileaks style.

"What is this sudden need for Trump to go out there and expose himself to uncontrolled crowds?"

They are absolutely convinced that they will receive cheers and standing ovations. They can't admit that Russia made him President.

And al-Baghdadi whimpering and crying 'like a dog' never happened (Trump hates dogs).

Nunes probably has a young twink In his past that he’s trying to keep hushed up.

Bannon to Kushner talking about Paul Manafort three days before the 2016 election: “they are going to try and say the Russians worked with wiki leaks to give this victory to us... can’t let word get out he is advising us.”

Politico:

Top national security aide Robert Blair won't testify Monday, citing White House direction

NYT:

Adam Schiff, a Trump Punching Bag, Takes His Case to a Bigger Ring

CBS:

Whistleblower willing to answer GOP questions, lawyer says

Spin, deflect, propagandize, project, and lie.

Ole Kellyanne reared her head. Interviewed by Chris Wallace on Fox today.

She needs her on Meow Mix DL thread.

She's had facial work done.

R299: amazingly enough it involves girls. Twitter rumors about Nunes nvolve a yacht, cocaine and Russian prostitutes.

Not enough.

Entirely unconvincing as per usual.

^^^^RE: the Kellyanne appearance.

Kellyanne is as ugly as homemade sin, and her shaved head will be an improvement looks-wise. Imagine what donald must say about her behind her back (if not outright to her face)! Ditto his comments on Mick "Sad Mouse" Mulvaney.

[bold]49 percent support Trump impeachment, removal: poll[/bold]

"Roughly half of the respondents in a new poll – 49 percent – support President Trump’s impeachment and removal from the Oval Office.

Forty-six percent said Trump should not be impeached and removed from office in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday, one year ahead of the 2020 election.

In a similar survey earlier this month, 49 percent said Trump should not be impeached and should remain in office.

A majority of respondents in the new poll – 53 percent – said they approve of the impeachment inquiry, which was launched by House Democrats amid revelations that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden and his son. Forty-four percent disapprove.

NBC News noted that the increase in support for Trump’s removal is seen mainly from Democrats and independents...."

I know the conventional wisdom is that the Republican Senators won't vote to remove Trump, but I think they will. If they don't vote to remove, they will be sending the message that it's okay for the President - any president, Democrat or Republican - to engage in self-dealing, just because he's the President. That message will get them slaughtered in the next round of elections. Instead, if they vote to remove Trump before Xmas, they'll have a year to repair the damage and close ranks around a new Republican candidate - whether it's Romney or someone else.

R312, it really is the smartest move. I find it hard to believe they aren’t very seriously discussing this right now.

[quote]it really is the smartest move.

Nobody ever said they were smart.

The tide will turn when people start testifying in public. They cant spin something everyone can hear with their own ears.

Trump degrades Mulvaney to his face and in front of others quite frequently.. Remember Trump went off on Mulvaney during Trump's interview with George Stephanopoulos when Mulvaney coughed? Mulvaney takes Trump's shit most submissively. Trump has dirt on Mulvaney, or Mulvaney loves the abuse and his big status in government.

Mulvaney has his own sordid past in South Carolina in Lancaster County and nearby areas pertaining to land deals.

Saw a clip of Kelly Anne from CNN I think she was on this morning, and either she has brand new make up, or she had some great work done....or both. She almost looked attractive in that hard used up way Trump likes.....I wonder if she's had kneecap replacements done too? being on your knees all the time must be hard for her.

R291, Cersei is going to blow up the Sept.... LOL! I was thinking of Queen Margaery's speech about Cerseinot showing up for her own trial because she knows she won't face the consequences.... (Game of Thrones.)

R300, Bannon lies out of both sides of his mouth. He is perfect for the Trump administration. Except he knows every damned thing and has his nose everywhere. He was working with the Mercers and Cambridge Analytica with voter behavior data and social media. He opined about everything and I can see him now "schooling" Jared, who sat silent as a sphinx, with that smirk on his face....because Jared was privy to information Bannon was not privy to. Bannon tried hard to get into the inner circle, but his craziness and his complete lack of discretion blocked him. He had a big mouth. He was not loyal. GHe leaked and told tales out of school. So he wouldn't know anything about Russians. In fact, that comment tells me he knew the Russians were involved and he didn't want them stealing his thunder. In a way he's like Trump in that regard. He felt he deserved credit not the Russians. He's crazy.

If a Republican opposes Trump, and is seeking re-election, the RNC, controlled by Trump, will withhold distributing cash to his/her campaign, and solicit or support a pro-Trump primary challenger to the incumbent. Plus, Republican incumbents fear Trump calling them names, and then see Fox and other right-wing media going on the attack. Additionally, Trump's deplorable base remains at least a third of the electorate, and those numbers won't diminish, These spineless Republican politicians care first about being re-elected and keeping their cushy, lucrative gigs.

IMO the best strategy for the Democrats is to release the transcripts, and really work the media, then, just have a short time for the public part. Just the most incendiary testimony should be held in public, supported by all the transcripts. It has to pack a punch. Then call for the vote. They will need to do strong PR to make sure public opinion is with them.

Eric looks like he's at the circus and just saw the clowns arrive in that UFC picture.

I can't wait to see Don Jr with his skank girlfriend on the View this week.

You know Pops will be tweeting about how the bitches on the show were rude and unfair to them both.

R322 I hope Whoopi and Joy don’t take the day off or sit out the interview.

I wish the media would hold a Republican primary debate. So what that some states aren’t holding a primary, others are and traitor turnip has challengers and they deserve exposure.

Hmmm, I wonder where he’ll get the rubles, oops I mean money to buy it with?

[quote]Breitbart co-founder Steve Bannon has his eyes on The Daily Telegraph, a British broadsheet newspaper, according to a new report published in The Sunday Times of London.

[quote]“It’s one of the great untapped properties,” the 65-year-old former White House strategist said of the paper, according to the Times. Bannon, who co-founded far-right media company Breitbart in 2007, reportedly sees the Telegraph as an appealing parchment to paint his populist vision.

[quote]Twin billionaires David and Frederick Barclay have decided to put the 164-year-old newspaper up for sale amid sagging profits. The London-based publication typically supports the Conservative Party and has taken a strong pro-Brexit stance.

Does Steve Bannon ever NOT wear those ugly brown jackets? He’s so oily and disgusting looking. I can’t believe he views himself as some shining example of the master race. Please. He looks like a peasant.

Miss Lindy has been quiet in the media this weekend. Perhaps she is catching-up entertaining her donor callers?

Bannon was very wealthy before he hooked up with Trump. And if he has made peace with the Mercers who were spooked by all the investigations, he may try pulling in some Mercer money the way he did to set up Breitbart. He's also been cultivating Extreme Right Neo Nazi types in Europe and hustling speaking engagements. He believes he's a star and people want to know what he thinks.

Didn’t someone mention Kellyanne disappeared for a bit? Now we know—she definitely had work done. She now looks gross, rather than execrable.

News footage from an October 20, 2018, midterm election rally in Nevada shows indicted Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas standing behind Trump.

NEW: President Trump threatens to expose information about Lt. Col. Vindman. Watch.

Trump is such a FUCKIN' CUNT.

Can't we END HIM already?

Do all pictures of Lev Parnas show him with the same shit-eating grin on his face, doing the same "thumbs up" gesture?

The Hill:

Senate Republicans divided over whether whistleblower should testify

HuffPost:

Kellyanne Conway: 'I Don't Know' Whether There Was A Quid Pro Quo With Ukraine

If even Cuntyanne can't definitively say there was no quid pro quo....

Washington Post:

Mulvaney allies to lead stonewall against Democrats’ impeachment inquiry

[quote]Can't we END HIM already?

Oooh, you in danger now, gurl.

Steve Bannon is a disgusting human scab.

He needs to be medicated.

Strike that, somewhere there is a room full of lawyers that need to be medicated.

HuffPo:

Trump Refuses To Guarantee No Shutdown Over Impeachment: 'We'll See'

Wha-what???

"False stories are being reported that a few Republican Senators are saying that President Trump may have done a quid pro quo, but it doesn’t matter, there is nothing wrong with that, it is not an impeachable event. Perhaps so, but read the transcript, there is no quid pro quo!"

USA Today:

'It is a zone of death, and we're complicit': Why Evangelicals are upset with Trump's Syria policy

Holy shit - read the last paragraph. Remember Nancy said the other day that the impeachment hearings may expand in scope? This explains the sudden pullout of Syria.

Holy shit - read the last paragraph. Remember Nancy said the other day that the impeachment hearings may expand in scope? This explains the sudden pullout of Syria.

Holy shit - read the last paragraph. Remember Nancy said the other day that the impeachment hearings may expand in scope? This explains the sudden pullout of Syria.

Holy shit - read the last paragraph. Remember Nancy said the other day that the impeachment hearings may expand in scope? This explains the sudden pullout of Syria.

Per the tweet in R342 there's a simple way they can prove there's no there there as they're saying. Pull the call off of the secret server and release the full transcript. We can all guess that response to that.

r334

[quote]Senate Republicans divided over whether whistleblower should testify

They should afraid of open hearings.

R344 Yes - all of Kushner's entanglements with KSA should come out. Not only the incidents with Turkey, but his extortion racket w/Qatar.

I tend to agree with that strategy, R315. The big unanswered question is how much a GOP circus would disrupt the witness narrative.

I hope Schiff has a plan in place for disruptive tactics. Because you know they're coming.

I tend to agree with that strategy, R315. The big unanswered question is how much a GOP circus would disrupt the witness narrative.

I hope Schiff has a plan in place for disruptive tactics. Because you know they're coming.

From R344's article

[quote]According to Cockburn’s source about the seven whistleblowers, there’s more. [bold]It is that Kushner (allegedly) gave the green light to MBS to arrest the dissident journalist, Jamal Khashoggi, who was later murdered and dismembered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. [/bold]A second source tells Cockburn that this is true and adds a crucial twist to the story. [bold]This source claims that Turkish intelligence obtained an intercept of the call between Kushner and MBS. And President Erdogan used it to get Trump to roll over and pull American troops out of northern Syria before the Turks invaded. [/bold]Cockburn hears that investigators for the House Intelligence Committee know this whole tale and the identities of some of the people telling it. Whether any of is true is another matter but Adam Schiff certainly seems to be smiling a lot these days.

Holy shit, r352, if that’s true, I think that dwarfs the Ukraine scandal. That is a whopper.

So about half, or a little more, of the country wants him impeached AND removed according to multiple polls. He is historically unpopular, never breaking 50% approval. So why does the media act like he can win or will be tough to beat? Any other president in a similar situation would be called dead in the water and they would endlessly go on about how tough it will be for them to win reelection.

I'm tellin' ya. If you want to watch public opinion turn on Trump HUGELY, pound away on Syria. He's going to get impeached because of Ukraine, but we can remove him because the Senate is moved by public opinion which is affected by Syria.

She's had an eyelid lift for sure. Her face looks like it's folding in on itself.

^She looks like a blond Carly Simon.

She looks like she got into a fight with a tornado and lost......

Kellyanne has the face she deserves.

I didn't read the article, just the paragraph about Kushner. I would take it with a grain of salt. Kushner is undoubtedly a piece of shit, but this seems over the top. If any of the Dem candidates start calling for an investigation of Kushner/Trump over this and demand Turkey turn over evidence, Trump's supporters point and say, see this is normal behavior to ask a country to investigate a political rival who may have committed a crime. And if no evidence turns up, it minimizes what Trump actually did. I'm probably not expressing this well in the middle of the night, but it smells too convenient. Disinformation to distract.

And Adam Schiff would not be smiling about any of this. No prosecutor smiles over murder.

Holy shit @ that article.

Sometimes I am lulled into a sense of normalcy, then articles like that make me wonder what the fuck is going on. Is this all for real?

So it appeared that Turkey/Erdogan blackmailed Trump into withdrawing from Syria and Kurd support because Turkey/Erdowan had intercepted the call that Jared made to MBS authorizing Kashoggi's kidnapping and subsequent murder?

I would assume it's not true until there's an actual tape. How do you minimize Trump's crime of self-dealing? You accuse him of much, much worse.

Plus Trump wouldn't need to be blackmailed to bail on the Kurds. He has never wanted our troops over there and the concept of honor isn't anything he is familiar with. Plus he admires Erdogan. No blackmail would have been necessary.

IF the Spectator has confirmed sourcing for that story, so does Schiff. They won’t need Turkish Intelligence.

George, you need to take Kellyanne on a weekend getaway to distract her from appearing on Sunday morning talk shows.

Dana Bash interviewing Kellyanne.

Jake Trapper? Chris Cuomo? Dana Bash? Stop it CNN! You don't learn

Oh joy!

For a $35 or $53 ticket, you can head to Davie, Florida and have dinner and see these three;

[quote]Join Americans for Trump as we proudly present George Papadopoulos, George Sorial and Maria Espinoza.

[quote]This special program brings together three special Trump Patriots in a one of a kind captivating and enlightening evening.

MARY!

Right-wing media, including Breitbart, and Rush and Rand Paul, are spreading a name they allege is the whistleblower. Not linking to any of it.

It hasn't been acknowledged or confirmed, yet these characters are bashing the guy with all kinds of nasty, erroneous accusations.

Is the Spectator a reliable source? I have never heard of it.

It's been in print in the UK since 1828; it's a Conservative-leaning (as in pro-Tory) publication, and they officially describe themselves as "neutral" on Trump. This Cockburn person, whose identity is secret, incorrectly predicted that Mueller would indict Trump—hope he's right about this.

So Dotard once again projects by calling Gavin Newsom a "child," who doesn't have a clue how to do his job... proceeds to blame California for not managing it's forests and that's the reason there are so many fires.

1) The fires haven't been in the forests and 2) the areas that have been burning are under Federal charge... which means Dotard's in charge of them... whoops!

As far as Turkey and the Kurds and Trump's phone call with Erdogan, IMO Erdogan probably told Trump that the invasion was on and he literally threatening conflict with a NATO ally. And Trump caved in because of PRessure from Putin who explain this was part of his agenda. It didn't require blackmailing about JAred. It was what we used to call "brinksmanship." On the eve of the invasion you inform your ally your getting ready to fuck them over and it is going down, and your ally, instead of pushing back, caves in because ...Putin.

Now, I believe Jared probably greenlit Khashoggi for arrest by MBS, not realizing he'd turn him into ground beef. MBS prolly cried in their private phone convo telling Jared he had no idea that his security people would get so crazy. But then the tapes came out and Jared said," Hey, you're my dude. We have bigger fish to fry. Don't worry about it..."Jared got played, and was too arrogant and stupid to admit it. OTOH, would Jared ever be complicit in a murder? Hey, I wouldn't put anything past him.

USA Today:

White House officials won't testify in Trump impeachment probe Monday

Washington Post:

Mulvaney allies to try to stonewall Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, officials say

Obstruction of Congress article coming right up!

The Hill:

GOP lawmakers fear Trump becoming too consumed by impeachment fight

Washington Post:

What kind of White House press secretary calls her boss’s critics human scum? Stephanie Grisham.

●Grisham agreed with her boss’s assessment last week that “Never Trump” Republicans are “human scum.” Asked about that presidential characterization during a Fox News interview, she expanded it to include all of his critics: “The people who are against him, and who have been against him, and have been working against him since the day they took office are just that.”

R372, coincidentally, I drove through the 14 freeway a couple days before the Tick fire went through there and one day after.

They had blocked off the far right lane with cones and the police were parked there. As I drove through, I saw why: the metal guardrail by the right side of the road was held up by wooden pickets which had burnt to stumps. The guardrail lay on the road, warped from the heat. The fire had come right up to the freeway’s edge. There was nothing to stop cars from going over the side, so they blocked off the lane. There was also some kind of big truck there with cones on it, which workmen were laying out. The hillside was blackened and burnt clean.

When I went there a few days before, it was miles of golden, dry grasses on the hills and canyons. There’s few properties right on the roadside, they’re mostly off on side roads somewhere. There’s no trees anywhere, it’s wild grasslands.

Every time I hear Trump describe this as “untended forests” I cringe. There are no trees. It’s all dead grass, and it went up like a torch. About the only thing you could do is send a bunch of goats out there to eat it. And they couldn’t eat it all, there’s miles of it. There’s nothing to sweep, and there’s probably rattlesnakes in it.

The golden, dry grass, has always been a natural feature of California. Here’s a typical picture of the open fields of California. The particular area where the Tick Fire was didn’t have trees like in the image (or greenery), but this is the type of landscape you see throughout the state, especially in the south.

ABC:

Whistleblower offers to answer questions in writing; GOP calls it not sufficient

USA Today:

'No more': Trump says he'll cut off federal funds to fight California wildfires

How much longer til this fucking scumbag is out of the Oval Office?

Federal judge has ruled Dump must turn over tax returns to NY state grand jury!

Yay, I guess, but you know good and well he's just gonna go "It's my hot body, I can do what I want!"

Don't forget, r383.....

The panel of judges on the U.S. Second Circuit of Appeals predicted that Trump’s lawyers are all but certain to appeal the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court.

And from Reuters:

New York prosecutors can get Trump tax returns, court rules

These Trump loyalists who are obstructing the impeachment must really be counting on Trump to win in 2020. If he doesn't, they are in deep shit.

r387, They will cry that the Dem president is out there to get them, because he's a petty Democrat and not as benevolent and forgiving as Donald Trump.

There are these mega-donors and media tycoons, i. e. Mercer, Koch, Thiel, Schwab, Adelson, DeVos, Mudoch, etc., vigorously funding multiple Republican super-pacs. Until they flip, which is immensely unlikely, Congressional Republicans won't budge in their unwavering and hypocritical support of Trump.

^Murdoch

The GOP is owned by the 1%. Of course, they try to protect their investment.

Some people in California are suggesting the state not pay its federal taxes, since they pay more than they get back and they need the money to fight fires. California, by itself, is one of the largest economies on earth. If they don’t pay, the country will go broke.

I hope they try withholding for a while. If Trump takes it to court, they’ll force him to pay California for the fires.

There was a Letter to the Editor from Crazy Town in my local paper this morning that was straight out of the Faux News playbook, word for word. We are dealing with truly delusional, cruel, ignorant people. It's scary. They've been lied to by trump and cohorts for so long they blame liberals for all the crimes the right wing has committed and now they are gas lighting us.

Cut and pasted and link below:

Trump’s vindication

EDITOR: For three years, President Donald Trump has been dealing with misrepresentation and character assassination by the media, the deep state and the radical progressive component of the Democrat Party.

Democrats such as Al Green, Maxine Waters, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler have led the movement to impeach our president in the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives.

This anti-America movement has been complicated by two developments:

The investigation of Federal Intelligence and Surveillance Act court actions against the president and his administration soon to be concluded by Inspector General Michael Horowitz. The investigation probe by U.S. Attorney John Durham and Attorney General William Barr into the origins of the Mueller investigation, which has been expanded to an international level and upgraded to criminal inquiry.

These happenings favor all voters. Truth is an antiseptic that clarifies most things. Among those citizens who have every right to be concerned about imminent disclosures are Hillary Clinton, James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, Andrew McCabe, Bruce Ohr, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

Leading Democrats are starting damage control by accusing Trump of weaponizing government to target political opponents. Sorry, propaganda won’t work this time. Informed voters know better.

ROBERT D. SHOPTAW Fort Bragg

R393 Yeah! Let's be like trump and not pay our taxes. I like it.

And to the poster some where above who said the CA fires did not start in forests, in No Cal they did. Then they burned too close, and in 2017 into, towns.

We have dry summers and windy Octobers, there have always been fires, it's much worse now. Climate change, dry fuel remaining from droughts, and humans encroaching into woodlands. And electrical wires everywhere.

E. Jean Carroll is suing Anus Lips for defamation

Link

Good for E. Jean

And how many of those fires were started because of PG&E?

A bit off topic, but something I noticed a little while ago that's gotten lost in all the weirdness. That 'acolyte' of Nunes as a Ukraine expert is very suspicious to me. Who the fuck is Nunes that he's placing his minions in the WH to influence the useful monkey?

Reuters:

U.S. House committees release first transcripts of closed-door Trump impeachment testimony

Kevin McCarthy, House Minority leader is from California, as is Speaker Pelosi.

LaMalfa, McClintock, Cook, Nunes, Calvert, and Hunter, are other Republicans in the House, with some of them representing districts that have had wildfires previously, if not currently.

Trump threatening to withhold emergency funds is despicable. McCarthy and company not countering Trump's remarks is disgusting. They value pleasing Trump over the urgent needs of their own constituents.

Devin Nunes is a horrible sack of shit

402, he is a member of the Republican Party after all. They are all sacks of shit. But I do agree that the "horrible" narrows it down a bit.

Yahoo:

Trump demands whistleblower testify in person — the thing he refused to do in Mueller probe

Kevin McCarthy is widely considered one of the dumbest people in Congress. Does he even know he represents California? I wouldn’t even take that for granted.

NBC:

Ukrainian lawmakers are still advancing Trump's goal of probes into Bidens, 2016 election

Yes, I know Nunes is a piece of shit....but with 'acolytes' placed strategically in the WH to confuse the asswipe and influence how he deals with the Ukraine? WTF....there's more to that than meets the immediate eye. How I wish I were younger and could investigate the crap out of these worms.

The Hill:

Trump denies knowing lobbyist who boasted of inside access to administration

Whatever Trump says, the opposite is true. That fat fuck is always, always lying.

And he will keep denying even if there are a shit ton of pics of him with the perp smiling.

If he says he didn't know the lobbyist then he definitely did!

I don't know him! And even if I did, it's not illegal!

Mulvaney said that the Ukraine call summary is "a transcript of the tape" — what tape Mick?

NYT:

Trump Taxes: Appeals Court Rules President Must Turn Over 8 Years of Tax Returns

Where's the proof he knows anybody when they removed the WH visitor logs?

So now Barr is trying to intimidate the anonymous "A Warning" writer with the bogus WH non-disclosure agreement penalties.

The country is run by thugs. The nation's top legal dog is threatening legal action to uphold a bogus legal document that even a first year law student knows is bullshit.

I'm aghast at the utter hubris of such thuggery. Only a thug would think to do something so blatantly thuggish. Fucking pig thug.

Impeach that asshole Barr.

Anonymous may be Kellyanne, backed by the Mercers and is she tight with Bannon and Pence. Hubby George is a high powered attorney, and the Conways' elite social connections are above Barr's network. Kellyanne doesn't give a shit about violating the Hatch Act numerous times. She hobnobs with major media figures. She would not be intimidated by writing anonymous editorials and a book. Her husband detests Trump, and expresses it.

Kellyanne did disappear for a while before the book came out...

I know it's early in the campaign but damn I really hate the majority of white, hetero xtian Americans. New polls show for 6 battleground state matchups, Biden leads Trump in 4 and tied in a 5th, Sanders barely edges Trump 3 but loses in the other 3, Trump leads Warren in 3, loses in 1 and tied in the other 2

and we would need 2-3 of those battleground states to win the presidency. I cannot believe with all Trump has said and done, the majority of white, hetero xtians STILL support him. It's unfortunate that they are currently the biggest voting demographic in the country. Nothing will change until that stat changes. Trump may fucking win again unless his numbers in battleground states goes down

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

r360, r361, r362, r363, r370,

Regarding [italic]The Spectator[/italic]'s rep from Media Bias Fact Check

[quote]Factual Reporting: HIGH A factual search reveals they have not failed a fact check.

[quote]Overall, we rate the Spectator USA Right-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that moderately favor the right. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (D. Van Zandt 9/17/2019)

r373

[quote].."Jared got played, and was too arrogant and stupid to admit it. OTOH, would Jared ever be complicit in a murder?

Jared accepted billions from KSA. He couldn't say no.

r387

[quote]These Trump loyalists who are obstructing the impeachment must really be counting on Trump to win in 2020. If he doesn't, they are in deep shit.

That worries me, too.

r416

[quote]So now Barr is trying to intimidate the anonymous "A Warning" writer with the bogus WH non-disclosure agreement penalties.

Incipient Checkist behavior. When will the Proud Boys start destroying printing presses? When will the arrests start?

Reuters:

U.S. career diplomats testify that State Department was misused for domestic politics

AP: The Latest: Schiff says no-shows more proof of obstruction

CNN:

Top Ukraine expert shows up for work despite Trump's repeated attacks

I think they're doing more than "counting on it." I think they will do anything they can....anything...to make sure he wins. So we can't afford to "be nice." And take the high road. We need to be tough and push back every single time. No free passes. That's the one thing I fault the Democrats in the House for. They are too high minded. No way should those members of Congress who broke the rules and brought their cell phones into the SCIFF be allowed to remain unpunished. They need to be fined, sanctioned penalized. That is my credo. Swift reprisals. Consequences.

If your state legislature or Secretary of State elections commissions are trying to fuck with voters, go after them now. Yes. Use a fucking cannon, don't just be "alarmed." Take them to court, camp out in their offices, follow them home, bother them in supermarkets churches restaurants. Demand accountability. Go to any event they're scheduled to appear, even a fucking parade, and RAISE HELL.

Appeals courts usually have 3-5 judges reviewing a case. So if they rule against Trump on appeal, under normal circumstances such things are rejected by SCOTUS by not even granting them cert. But Trump believes he controls the court and owns the judges. So we'll see. Robert, as a Conservative Justice ought to simply let the Appeals decision stand and reject the case. But will he?

Reuters:

Exclusive: Ukraine to fire prosecutor who discussed Bidens with Giuliani - source

Yanovich (sp?) was told to tweet praise for Trump if she wanted to save her job. Jesus Christ.

Did you have a big weekend, Miss L.? Oh, do tell.

no doubt the repubs are planning on trying to impeach Biden, should he win the presidency, with the bullshit fake info they have "gathered" on him this year.

WSJ: Marie Yovanovitch, the ambassador Trump ousted this spring, testified that she was "shocked" that Trump described her as "bad news" to the Ukrainian president and that she felt threatened by Trump's assertion that she would "go through some things."

I think Republicans KNOW for sure:

1. That they can steal any close election again or nullify a win with chaos (the most likely scenario).

2. That they are morally superior and have God "on their side" so rules don't apply.

3. That they can lie, cheat, steal, kill or any other "sin" because they're battling evil baby killers.

4. That they only need to get away with it 1 more time.

Barr denies he is working as Trump's personal attorney. This, he tells Fox of course.

They just blatantly lie contrary to what is directly observed.

"This should be, in any sane country, a bipartisan moment. The President is now committing multiple impeachable offenses every day by demanding laws be broken at his command. Republicans - especially - should have cut Trump loose long ago as a matter of duty.

Yes, some support for Trump is "polarization." But it's also something darker: It's a party of opportunists manipulating an ignorant mass of propaganda-addled people. The GOP and its media enablers are as hollow and cynical a group as has ever existed in American politics."

A thread worth reading from Never-Trump Republican Tom Nichols:

r427. Where are our attack dogs to call these clowns out?. Here's what I would say:

"As usual, my colleague Mr. Jordan is dancing around the truth. When you strip his theatrics down to the bare naked truth anyone can see the power play that happened here. I know Mr. Jordan wrestles with the truth, he has a long history of protecting those who abuse their power. But don't worry, were going to pin him down with the facts."

Once again we have Mr. Goetz, speeding around the Capitol, taking cheap shots,recklessly ignoring the facts and the 100 percent proof that we have. And He fails every test when you look at the sobering truth of the crimes committed.

I swear DL could do better than the DNC! Goddamn it.

What I've learned in the past 4 years (since 2015) is that for some people, if you tell them what they want to hear, they'll be very willing to accept what YOU want them to hear.

White hetero xtians, especially older ones, do not like hearing that some beliefs and social norms they grew up with are wrong and that they're holding other groups down.

When they hear repub tv hosts and politicians telling them they're amazing and that it's everyone else who is wrong for challenging them, they are willing to accept things like "Obama was born in Kenya". "Hillary caused Benghazi". "Hillary's hiding her misdeeds in her emails". "Biden is corrupt and using his position to enrich and protect his family". "Trump is trying to take down the leftist liberal deep state and he's being unfairly attacked for it. That means they're attacking you!"

so the attachment becomes more and more emotional and irrational rather than based on facts and common sense. It's a cult

R432, without a Majority in Congress, they can't do shit. That's our job. We need to block them from any leadership for at least the next two decades. They need a complete cleansing.

R439 is right. Stop voting GOP.

R439 oh right but their strategy will be to make constant noise about it, if they don't control Congress in the hopes that it will pay off in the 2022 midterms and then they can use all the talking points that we are rightfully using with Trump and instead say we were projecting and it's Biden who did all of that from collusion to corruption. If the public allows them to win Congress you know this will happen sadly

I just don't know if the public has smartened up to the importance of midterm elections yet.

of course we have to ensure the Democrats win in 2020 first

r439, a complete cleansing would create a void that will be filled with new morally corrupt individuals. It's our society, and the way we raise our kids, that needs a complete reboot. For example, it's our obsession with replacing one's own worth with the value of money, or influence he or she has that fucks everything up.

Getting rid of Putin and his puppets may give us some short term victory, but a new Putin is already waiting to fill the void.

Breaking via Reuters: Lev Parnas, the indicted Ukrainian-American businessman who has ties to Rudy Giuliani, is now prepared to comply with requests for records and testimony from congressional impeachment investigators, his lawyer told Reuters.

Breaking: The University of Alabama making preparations for President Donald Trump to attend LSU game.

I would like to see Trump sentenced to 25 years of raking the ground in CA

We know they'll keep raising hell to make gains in the midterms. We have to work hard to educate people so fewer people fall for their lies. Bottom line is the days of voting and then going home, are over. Voting has to be the beginning of engagement not the end of it. We have to be as determined and as relentless as they are. Push back hard.

R445 OMG, what if some evil genius tied him to a tree and dropped a cigarette in the dry brush..... poor guy..

R444, they’ll probably threaten to expel any student that doesn’t wear a MAGA had and cheer.

I'm one Alabama fan (and I know many others) who hate that fat, orange mother-fucker.

Why is he attending all of these sporting events lately?

R450 exactly what I was going to ask. I think he’s an incubus and feeds off the energy of others.

Maybe because they have some evidence that the white guys who attend these events are Trumpanistas? Or maybe they're trying to give the impression he's not obsessed with impeachment and is just having fun and being PResident. Except he isn't. He is doing nothing but screaming about impeachment. I hope this drives him crazy and he foams at the mouth on live TV. Because it would be interesting to see how Mitch and Lindsey spin it.

....

Sounds like the RNC footed Trump's $60,000 bill to attend the UFC match, along with his Republican flunkies - however it sounds like it's against the House rules for them to do so:

[quote]Members of the House are allowed to take free tickets for sporting events if the event is a “bona fide” fundraiser, according to House ethics rules. The event was not an official fundraiser nor a campaign event, so it is unclear how the lawmakers could accept tickets. Members also have to receive written approval to take a gift. The official said the RNC paid because the president attended.

Also:

[quote]A week earlier, the RNC had paid $465 per seat in a luxury suite at Nationals Park for Trump, 11 members of Congress and senior White House staffers to attend the fifth game of the World Series between the Washington Nationals and the Houston Astros.

[quote]The RNC also previously paid for the president to attend the college football national championship game in Atlanta.

Laurence Tribe on MSNBC tonight (Mon.) @ 10:20pm with Lawrence O'Donnell.

His recent tweets.

And along with everything else he just formally withdrew from the Paris climate accord.

President Trump’s vision is deeply impaired and he refuses to wear corrective lenses in the presence of other people, NYT casually reports halfway down a long feature about his twitter use.

Richard Painter on Barr & Catholic extremism.

Ari Melber just showed a clip from Hannity that cited Pete Sessions recommending firing Yovanovich. Wasn't Sessions the guy who got money from Rudy's buddies?

Of course the RNC paid for the tickets - Trump certainly won't. Rules be damned (of course).

I suspect he'll get a good response from the Alabama fans because it's, you know, Alabama.

Yes, R459, Pete Sessions is the one who got money from Giuliani's guys to disperse onto campaigns.

Ken Dilanian @KenDilanianNBC · 6h Former Amb. Yovanovitch testified that when she asked Sondland for advice, he recommended that if she wanted to save her job, she should tweet out her support or praise for Trump. H/T @JoshNBCNews

Now that we're no longer participating in the TPP partnership the trade agreement, China has just made a trade agreement with a bunch of countries to trade, isolating us further in the Pacific theater . We're the only country who isn't part of the Paris Climate Accords, and Iran has assembled more centrifuges to develop nuclear weapons. That all happened while Trump was tweeting about Impeachment and the media was focused on his tweets. This week.

He'll get some boos at the game...Mark my words. The press probably won't report it, but I predict he'll get a significant amount of booing.

Keep her, Iowa.

r427

[quote]We need to be tough and push back every single time. No free passes.

Yes, now is the time for Daley, Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Kennedy.

r431

[quote]Did you have a big weekend, Miss L.? Oh, do tell.

You know that Graham could have reminded Kavanaugh of his priorities without a picture. This was done to intimidate us - to tell us, "don't bother we control the courts." We need to get inside these people lives. [bold]If the Russians have kompromat, well, so can we. If they pull this stunt, we show them the kompromat and say "Sorry -- feel free to cry more."[/bold]

r434

[quote]4. That they only need to get away with it 1 more time.

If we were talking about the evangelicals, I would agree. But, why would Putin or Bonesaw give up the leverage they have. American troops protecting Saudi Oil. Unbelievable.

r435

William "Beria" Barr

r442

[quote]Breaking via Reuters: Lev Parnas, the indicted Ukrainian-American businessman who has ties to Rudy Giuliani, is now prepared to comply with requests for records and testimony from congressional impeachment investigators, his lawyer told Reuters.

I don't trust this development. Surely, he can expect a pardon and RU mob is not going to like him testifying truthfully. [bold]Maybe a way of putting an alternative narrative on the record for RW media to hook their propaganda on.[/bold]

r446

[quote]Voting has to be the beginning of engagement not the end of it. We have to be as determined and as relentless as they are. Push back hard.

Yes.

r450

[quote]Why is he attending all of these sporting events lately?

Incompetence. [bold] Trump expected huge cheers at the Nationals game because he caught Al-Bhagdadi. Got booed. Then went to a UFC game, got booed. Now he's looking for a safe place where he'll be cheered. Yes, Trump is that petty.[/bold]

r462

Yes, we must hammer him on foreign policy - the trade war w/China, the Climate Accord, Iran nuclearizing (new word?)

r432, How would they do that? If Biden wins, that means there's probably a good chance the Democrats keep the House as well. The Repukes can't do shit without having the House.

And Hopefully we take the Senate too in 2020.

The right wing media needs to be boycotted and dismissed as right wing propaganda machinery. They are the ones who will try to establish the false narrative that Trump is winning the 2020 fair and without Putin's help and everybody who doesn't agree is un-American and very likely an extremist gay Liberal.

Hannity needs to be investigated and made to testify before Congress just like Giuliani. No way should a fucking tv host be involved in what goes on in our government, never mind the fact that he is now accused of being involved in a smear campaign with Giuliani to take down Yovanovitch.

Roger Stone's trial starts tomorrow, with jury selection.

R466 they would keep making a lot of noise about it in the hopes of winning the 2022 midterm elections. Since the President's party typically loses somewhat in midterms, it'd be a chance for them to further cast doubt on Biden's character. It wouldn't matter that he won in 2020. Just like they've never apologized for their lies about Kerry's military service, their lies about Obama's birth location, the Obama DOJ, all the lies about Hillary, they won't apologize or retract anything about Biden.

The right wing media and repubs will continue to push this Ukraine "corruption" and "collusion" story should Biden win 2020, I have no doubt.

R462 Democrats really need to exploit this constantly how Trump has cost us billions of dollars in trade. Yes our economy is strong (thanks Obama administration) but it could have been even better if Trump had not taken these adverse stances.

Imagine how great the economy would be if Hillary had been President instead? We would be humming along, likely with our deficit almost gone, dealing with infrastructure and climate change.

Plus a majority on the SC!

Geez, r470, do you ever come up for a break from all that negativity?

I thought even if he officially submitted the paperwork to withdraw today, it can't go into effect until November of next year, the day after the election?

R473 the repub party is all about negativity, lies, propaganda and bigotry. Some people are under the delusion that everything will magically change once Trump is gone. The repub party is not going to stop. They're just not going to have Trump anymore. They know their main voting base is over 50 white hetero xtians. That group is gradually dying out. The only thing they can do to keep winning is voter suppression and lying about Democrats to reduce voter turnout. The repubs are only going to get more desperate with time and hence more of these insane tactics

NYT:

Pompeo Faces Political Peril and Diplomats’ Revolt in Impeachment Inquiry

Politico:

Trump calls Ukraine corrupt. He still wanted to build a resort there.

ABC:

Congress may be headed toward another government shutdown

NYT:

Trump Serves Notice to Quit Climate Accord, as Diplomats Plot to Save It

Louisville CJ:

Trump in Kentucky: Protesters and Trump supporters trade insults, talk impeachment debate

The courts also think Trump's tweets matter. Sadly for the MAGAts, not in the way they are brainwashed to believe.

DNC should be selling Tshits with "I read the transcript. It said, 'I'd like you to do us a favor though'.

HuffPost:

Sen. Chuck Grassley Says It's 'Strictly Up To The Whistleblower' To Go Public

Of course this is not over once we get rid of IT but you know what? One thing at a time.

We all know the GOP is wholly corrupt. The conservative machine is wholly corrupt. If it wasn't we wouldn't be in this mess.

George Will said the GOP needs to lose in a crushing defeat at the ballot box to learn their lesson but conservatives never do. They have to cheat to win because most people are center or center-left.

Dumpy Jr and wife will be on the View with Meggy McCain. With ALL his dad has said about her dad, I bet she goes fairly easy on him. She'll go "though-ish" on him with a question or to then let him get away with all kinds of talking points.

CNBC:

Trump's ex-advisor Michael Flynn will ask judge to throw out criminal case against him due to 'government misconduct'

Sydney Powell. is a disgrace to the legal profession.

Michael Flynn: the government tricked me into lying to the FBI and trying to aid Russia!

R479 Rachel Maddow just said that the withdrawal won't happen if Trump doesn't win. It takes effect the day after the election. A good reason not to vote for him.

he's hoping for the attention but is also trying to get votes. he still doesn't know how much he is hated.

The Republicans are paying robocall services and finding anti impeachment people to patch in and they have successfully jammed the telephones of the Democratic House members today. They're going to be doing even more as the weeks go by. Just remember. They respond to Democrats by blocking, stopping and obstructing. They are preparing to do anything they can to be disruptive. They have no defense of the President. No rebuttal, so they're going to engage in guerilla tactics. They don't care how it looks. They will be aggressive and they will get ugly. It'll make the "Brooks Brothers" gang that disrupted the 2000 recount look quaint.The Democrats are not prepared for this. We need to do something that causes the GOP to be too busy defending their turf to go on the offensive. By being openly disruptive, with these neo nazi tactics they will also be encouraging agressive, lawless behavior by Trump supporters. The mean Season is about to commence.

I want to vomit. A Facebook “friend” posted the name of the whistleblower on his page. It definitely is out there (of course, I won’t name him). Poor guy is really an afterthought in all this (and I don’t mean that in any disparaging way), but his life will take a trajectory that’s will be like a roller coaster. I feel terrible about it, and for him. From his biography, he seems like an amazingly decent guy.

So my “friend” works for a defense contractor. I don’t feel terrible at all that they got an email accusing him of getting this info via classified channels, and why was he publishing it? I took a screen shot, of course, in case they ask for it, but I am enjoying thinking of him squirming as they confront him. (Which I think they will, because one thing defense contractors don’t like is controversy.) I’ll keep an eye out for that post and see if he deletes it.

I'm certain that once the public hearings start, GOP House trash like Nunes and Gaetz will intentionally use the Whistleblower's name in questions about his / her identity, or outright make statements about the WB identity. They will use the public nature of the hearings for sure because Schiff said such deplorable shit may be redacted from the closed door transcripts.

I hope Schiff will shut down their mikes at the first syllable if they try to pull such shit.

R491 oh god some random friend is posting it to FB it’s leaked, we’re not a bunch of deplorables, what’s the fucking name.

The name is irrelevant.

Don't name him.

FCI/R495, believe me, I’m not naming him. All I can hope for is my “friend” gets accused of spilling classified/confidential info and gets into a lot of trouble, or at least is reprimanded enough to shit a few squirts. I unfollowed him but didn’t unfriend him; he’s a stupid Dumpster. I just happened to visit his page and saw the post. I will cackle loudly if he deletes his page, and I will not miss him.

R496 You know, the worst thing about your "friend", is that this guy is so brainwashed by Trump and is corruptibles, he probably believes he's a Patriot and is doing the right thing.

R496 I know you weren't going to. My post was more for everybody else.

Living in the South helped me work in politics. When you live in the South, people are usually super friendly to your face even though they likely harbor polar opposite ideals. When I was 10, my mom started letting me watch 'In Living Color'. The Gossip character was hysterical to me because it was every person on our street.

Politics is similar.

yOur Facebook "Friend" ought to be reported to the defense contractor he works for. And it needs to happen by start of business tomorrow morning.

Already done, r499. See my post at r491.

R490 you are exactly right and I wish Democrats would fight back. Not to lie to or just underhanded tactics but just to at least constantly call them out at every turn. The mainstream media needs to do a better job of this

enough with the "both sides" bullshit

it's pathetic that anyone from the Trump family or administration is allowed on The View. Now it's not technically a news show but it has turned into one sorta. They don't have a very knowledgeable Democratic panelist there to call out all the lies. Joy Behar tries but she's not the best. Sunny is good for law but she doesn't like confrontation as she didn't say a ton when Jeanine Pirro was there. Whoopi goes off but she gets too emotional.

Whoopie use to be great at countering the lies and crap but she is REALLY off her game. She barely ever even makes a point. She doesn't speak much, either.

I wish something could be done about this piece of shit HANNITY!

Lol Liz and Bernie are in the Biden crime family, under the thumb of Big Boss Joe? News to them, I'm sure.

Hannity was saying it's "fake news" that he was talking about Yovanovitch with people in the administration lmao but how is it fake news when they're reporting what Yovanovitch said in the transcript?

but the dumbass Fox viewers will believe anything.

Obviously she wasn't lying as she was under oath. He lies every day on his stupid show...

I just wanna know when is he getting arrested or called to testify? I'm sure he's under investigation by now. From Assange to the ousting of Yovanovitch he's had his fat hands deep in this shit

[quote]The panel of judges on the U.S. Second Circuit of Appeals predicted that Trump’s lawyers are all but certain to appeal the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The legal expert on Anderson's show tonight said that the Supreme Court may not take the appeal.

Hannity is the belly of the snake; Murdochs are the head of it.

[quote]Keep her, Iowa.

It doesn't end with Lindsey's celebrity trip to Cedar Rapids and Des Moines.

Then Lindsey is off to Omaha, Nebraska to speak at a Republican fundraiser.

The "Adoration for Kavanaugh" 2019 phase two tour version, continues through the plains states. Trump can't be everywhere, so Lindsey, with so much star power, helps.

Protesting outside DJT's Kentucky rally.

Here come Miss Thang!

I think big indicators on where we stand with impeachment are the upcoming elections in Kentucky, Virginia and Louisiana. If the GOP loses big in these states, this would be really bad for Trump. It seems no one here is paying much attention to how much energy Trump currently invests to win theses states. Rallies, supportive tweets etc. He really wants to show the GOP that he can still win elections besides all the impeachment nonsense and that his base still supports him. But if these states turn blue on the other hand....

I have a very bad feeling though that Democrats will lose big time in the upcoming elections. Polls show that it is very close and with all the support from Trump... Why aren't some big Dems down there supporting the candidates more and telling people what a corrupt president Trump is? All I saw was a tweet from Obama.

With Putin in play I don't trust anything anymore. Reports of it being a tight race? What nail biting news entertainment. Well, of course Trump won, because he put up a decent fight! And it was so very close.

[quote]Why aren't some big Dems down there supporting the candidates more and telling people what a corrupt president Trump is?

Agree on that point. Republicans send out surrogates all over the country to campaign for candidates in other states.

The DNC's Perez doesn't appear to have anything much organized on this front.

Wiki Roger has jury selection today.

R501, having Trump people on programs like The View helps normalize them and in many ways it is more dangerous than the news.

You guys, we are a free country and this election was stolen from us by a foreign agent who means great harm to us.

Why do we have to give this bloated monster or his criminal family any respect? He is not the legitimate president and not worth of anything but a speedy trial and a prison sentence.

On Stephanopolus Pompeo swears from the time the Ukrainian ambassador Yavanovitch left, till the time McKinley left, McKinley never spoke with him about supporting her. That’s an evasion. Yavanovitch and McKinely requested help BEFORE she left. Pompeo is avoiding that.

Don Jr. and his slutty wife on CBS this morning. No, I didn't watch it.

Wife?

Once Dump is no longer president, everyone who supported him will crawl out of the woodwork to bash him, I’m sure. Especially if he pulled the same stunt with others like he did with the Ukrainian ambassador (where she was told to tweet out her support).

Washington Post:

The Justice Department is fishing for details about the anonymous ‘resistance’ op-ed writer

ABC:

Democrats vow not to delay impeachment probe as witnesses ignore subpoenas

USA Today:

What Tuesday's elections could tell us a year before Trump faces voters

NYT:

Inside the Impeachment Testimony: Dry Questions and Flares of Drama

Reuters:

Testimony from two of Trump's Ukraine 'three amigos' to become public

ABC:

Criminal trial for longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone expected to begin this week

We have a history of GOP centrists (Weld, Snow, Brooke, etc.) in New England and from what I'm seeing, their days are numbered. The locals are organizing and already active. They're even putting up a slate against the old boy network here in rural Vermont. Democrats are pissed and I hope they stay pissed.

I saw the doc. "Where's My Roy Cohn?" yesterday and thought it would be about Trump- I mean isn't he the "my" in the title? But he's hardly mentioned. I think Trump's lawyers were successful in sanitizing the film.

It's just a Roy Cohn bio. Like anything you can already see on Youtube.

[quote]Once Dump is no longer president, everyone who supported him will crawl out of the woodwork to bash him, I’m sure. Especially if he pulled the same stunt with others like he did with the Ukrainian ambassador (where she was told to tweet out her support).

No they won't. They'll proudly display their ignorance and state that they were "tricked," and then of course, start their whataboutism and talk about how it doesn't matter, a cheating, lying, scumbug like Drumpf was better than that murderous, bitch, Clinton!

Apparently, Guilfoyle, when employed at Fox, had a rolodex of hot dick pics, and showed them to male co-workers she liked.

Word is Trump Sr. does not like Guilfoyle, and is not pleased Junior is latched onto her.

Junior had an attractive wife and has a handful of kids. His wife saw the growing sordid and alarming behavior of the Trump clan, and wanted out.

Smart girl, that one.

"Lol Liz and Bernie are in the Biden crime family, under the thumb of Big Boss Joe? News to them, I'm sure."

We're supposed to be scared of a crime syndicated that includes 70-something grandmas like Liz Warren and Nancy Pelosi?

r532, yes.

Hey, remember this?

NBC:

More witnesses expected to skip impeachment depositions Tuesday

Who knew Seth was somebody's wife?

"Seth Meyers slaps Lindsey Graham"

Gotta believe the HuffPost writer has a sense of humor and is not making a too veiled statement about Lindsey.

That’s fantastic, r534! People need to be posting that on Facebook and tweeting it out. Rand Paul, like so many of these other Republican fucks is essentially doing the work of Vladimir Putin.

Not one vote in the Senate, Lindsey?

How delusionally bizarre. What did Laura Ingraham do to you?

Drinking game: take a shot every time someone on cable news says “damning,”

It’s the new in word!

Mike Pompeo is facing a revolt in the State Dept. Confidence in his leadership has plummeted among career officials, who accuse him of abandoning veteran diplomats criticized by Trump.

Many now contend Pompeo has done more damage than even Rex Tillerson.

An era where truth is dismissed; reality is denied; facts are called fake; a cult leader may do as he pleases with no repercussions; good, honest people get trashed and threatened; democracy is outdated and autocracy is in vogue; hate old friends but love, obey, and serve historic archenemies; lie, cheat, and steal, and being vindictive, becomes virtuous; environmental protection is sinful, but giving your savings to the 1% gets you to heaven; hate, bigotry, and divisiveness trumps cooperation and compromise; only the rich deserve health care and pleasure, all others are expendable. Trump is divinely annointed, as sold by the Murdochs; and Putin smiles...

NYT: US Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland updated his testimony to acknowledge delivering a quid-pro-quo message to Ukraine.

Sondland now says he told a top Ukrainian official in September that to get the aid unlocked the Ukrainians would likely need to put out a statement committing to the investigations.

Reuters:

Four ways Trump's tax returns could come to light

[bold]Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson[/bold]

[italic]Remember, remember, The 8th of November,

'Twas Putin, and treason and plot;

I see no reason

Why pro-Russian treason

Should ever be forgot.[/italic]

From Dec 10, 2016, Wilson retweeted today.

Politico:

Impeachment investigators ask Mick Mulvaney to testify

Most of the mainstream media is afraid to call this what it is. The Republican Party, its members of Congress, and the extended family of appointees, present and former, have all been sprinkled with the fairy dust of Russian money, and intimidating oligarchs. The Republican agenda the extreme conservatives who populate the party now, want to end government as we know it. THey want to weaken and starve government, and privatize anything that isn't nailed down. They will run uop deficits and cut taxes for the wealthy in a breathtakingly irresponsible fashion to get their way. They are also determined to isolate us from the world community. This all works in tandem with Putin's agenda to reduce our power and weaken us. We can turn it around but we better get way more aggressive to do it.

R542, good.

Of course Sondland wants to save his skin and avoid perjury charges but it plays to the Dems hand.

once Trump is no longer President I hope that all those that ignored their subpoenas are arrested

They need to be arrested NOW! I had to go to a subpoena today...

I love that Rick Wilson can rhyme at this time.

Yes, indeed. Let's not forget the evidence of the Mueller report and all the little criminals in jail. Flynn's attempt is a slap in the face to a blind woman and should be ignored or condemned by any judge worthy of the robes.

NYT:

Sondland Updates Impeachment Testimony, Describing Ukraine Quid Pro Quo

A scenario I see is that Trump, cornered, lays this all on Giuliani, and what karma that would be to see Giulian v. Trump on the impeachment stage.

The Hill:

White House warns against including wall restrictions in stopgap bill

NBC:

Roger Stone leaves jury selection because of food poisoning

[quote]A scenario I see is that Trump, cornered, lays this all on Giuliani, and what karma that would be to see Giulian v. Trump on the impeachment stage.

With a compliant Senate, how does Trump get "cornered?"

Cornered as in no longer able to come up with ridiculous excuses, and more and more of his inner circle turning on him and contradicting his narrative

I hope Roger did not wind up with explosive diarrhea! Well, not really...

I'm sort of tired of hearing about Dotard's taxes because at this point, what's the point? We're not going to learn anything that we don't already now... that he's not as wealthy as he claims or that he hasn't paid his fair share of taxes? Deplorables won't care about the first and will applaud the second.

Anything else incriminating like foreign money, etc. wouldn't be in his personal income taxes but rather the corporations taxes... (again, not that Deplorables would care about foreign money).

So what are we hoping to see out his taxes? What am I missing?

So what do you think happened with Stone? Stress diarrhea or Russian poisoning?

[quote]Cornered as in no longer able to come up with ridiculous excuses, and more and more of his inner circle turning on him and contradicting his narrative

Seriously? THAT'S what you're thinking about?

Oh alright already, here, let me pull out my crystal ball, and rub it ... ooooh, something is materializing. It's the image of … a swollen orange man in a red tie, outrageously lying yet still being believed by his cult … it's getting clearer now ….

Hypochondria

[quote]So what do you think happened with Stone? Stress diarrhea or Russian poisoning?

More than likely an EST.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Snarky NBC News tweet:

[quote]BREAKING: In new 4-page sworn statement, Amb. Sondland says [bold]he now remembers[bold] telling a top Zelenskiy aide that Ukraine wouldn’t get its military assistance until it committed to investigations, according to a person with knowledge of his testimony.

Two weeks ago he was directly asked about quid pro quo, and claimed he just COULD NOT REMEMBER. What a slime.

To hell with jail for ignoring subpoenas!

Put their treasonous heads on pikes! On Pennsylvania Ave!

There would be a literal peak of pikes, re66!

I like the way you think, R566!

^r566

So many heads!

Sondland needs to be charged and arrested for perjury.

I disagree, R571: he came around and told the truth. People should be encouraged to do that. But the people who refuse to even appear? That's another matter.

Roger Stone is such a sick fuck I wouldn't put it past him to poison himself, then blame the Democrats.

McCarthy is moving Nunes off Intelligence Committee, and replacing him with Gym Jordan, in the latest episode of Dumb & Dumber

Heilleman is ana ss. He's telling Nicole Wallace that he's "worried about Rudy" flipping on Trump. But his analysis is so fucking amateur it's ridiculous. Here's mine: Rudy's singular governing principle right now is who has the money. You will be able to tell just how committed Russia is to Trump, by watching where Rudy jumps. Because if Rudy turns on Trump by admitting culpability for the quid pro quo with Ukraine,it means he has another source of money. Personally, I don't think he will. I think he will be a stand up guy. He will incriminate others for other reasons, but he will stand firm on Ukraine, insisting he did nothing wrong. He will defend his actions to the death. Not for Trump, but because he wants to be able to keep the revenue stream from Eastern Europe flowing.

Heilleman is ana ss. He's telling Nicole Wallace that he's "worried about Rudy" flipping on Trump. But his analysis is so fucking amateur it's ridiculous. Here's mine: Rudy's singular governing principle right now is who has the money. You will be able to tell just how committed Russia is to Trump, by watching where Rudy jumps. Because if Rudy turns on Trump by admitting culpability for the quid pro quo with Ukraine,it means he has another source of money. Personally, I don't think he will. I think he will be a stand up guy. He will incriminate others for other reasons, but he will stand firm on Ukraine, insisting he did nothing wrong. He will defend his actions to the death. Not for Trump, but because he wants to be able to keep the revenue stream from Eastern Europe flowing.

Business Insider:

Former diplomat Kurt Volker says Rudy Giuliani was a 'direct conduit' to Ukraine and demanded they publicly announce an investigation into the Bidens

CNN:

Boris Johnson accused of 'suppressing' Russia report until after UK election

Washington Post:

5 takeaways from the Gordon Sondland and Kurt Volker testimonies

We need for a Seal Team 6 to visit Moscow, say hello to Vlad.

There was no Quid Pro Quo and even if there was there's nothing wrong with it! It was perfect. Perfect Quid Pro Quo!

The Quid Pro Quo wasn't explicit so no Quid Pro Quo!

However Hillary had even thought about it...

YEs they're "corporate." But as corrupt and biased as the Media can be, right now they're really grinding it out. They are our firewall. And they must be driving Putin nuts. They're exposing disinformation campaigns, they're exposing Zuckerberg, they're exposing all the treachery and right now they're getting gold as far as good information leaking out. They're making Rudy, Pompeo and Trump look like the fucking clowns they really are, and Barr too, scurrying around Italy and Ukraine, and WTF ever trying to invent exculpatory evidence for Russia. So I want to pause for a moment to appreciate them. Because I'm usually very critical with individuals...like Chuck Turd.

But is Put Put worried?

I guess one way to find out is how much trolling is going on in other threads. I haven't bothered to look.

Anyone?

[quote]Roger Stone leaves jury selection because of food poisoning

A perfect sentence without the word "food".

Plenty of "people" posting about Hillary in other threads so sounds like someone's worried!

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r560....Its called a delay tactic. Just like all the bullshit attempts by Stone in the past. He loves the attention this gives him. Next he will claim it was an assassination attempt and claim he needs a delay in his case to recuperate from said attempt.

And just like everything else, Stone will continued to be allowed to get away with these antics.

These fucks all behave like there are no consequences because there never are any.

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I have no need to see them further after death or to have an example set for others by seeing their heads on pikes.

Guillotine the lot of them and feed the remains to the pigs.