SHITLEY MacLaine brags about her perfect life

And her daughter hates her, her career is over and she looks like shit.

All-you-can-eat creme brulee, bitches!!

Sounds good to me!!

[quote] All-you-can-eat creme brulee, bitches!!

She didn’t get to eat that when she wanted to.

She must be ninety years old by now, so I hope so.

I’m barely able to pay my rent this month.

I hope in her next life she is reincarnated into a bug.

That's okay, Sachi. When your mom dies, you can write a bestselling tell-all about her and rake in the big bucks for ye-

Oh, right.

Here she is on a trip to the grocery store in Malibu, acting and looking like a bag lady.

Shirley always looks like she's still smelling Debra Winger's farts.

Even when young she always looks like some kind of weird, red haired gremlin. She was called "kooky" even way back when. If you believe her daughter's book, and I do, she's crazy and always was.

She looks exactly like her bitter mean old lady character in “Bernie”, [R9]

Good for her. She’s worked hard and earned everything she has, good & bad.

R11, lol.

Nice, Shirley drives a Toyota Prius.

I do all that now, far younger. She was always a bitter pill.

I used to be a big fan, then the Sachi bombshells came out and now I don't look at Shirley the same.

Tell all about Shirley and her daughter, please.

You can get the book on ebay cheap. It's a kick and easy to believe. Every word.

She's 102 she earned it.

Didn't she claim she sent her daughter away as a child to protect her from terrorists who were threatening her life?!

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She's great. Much more intelligent than your average actress and one with a healthy but expansive ego. Like many people in show business, she had no business having children. Shirley was wonderfully talented. Loves her showbiz peers. She just doesn't view everyone in showbiz as peers. I dig her. She's much more talented than Liza or Rita Moreno or Meryl for that matter. A very interesting actresses and a inviting funny performer who doesn't beg to be loved. Shirley is so much better than most of the old dames that DL eldergays idolize. She's not the best at anything. But she's good at everything.

Why do gay men have such mommy issues? Rhetorical. Shirley MacLaine is right to enjoy her life at 85. What else should anyone do? Eat, drink, sleep and only see who you enjoy - sounds just right. The other chapters are closed. If she can get closer to her daughter, she should make the effort. That does not mean taking on constant abuse and free floating tsouris from a disgruntled 60 year old.

It bugs boomers when their elderly parents lives go one without much need of their children's company or much desire to make amends. It's understandable. To your therapist.

She was on Larry King in the 80's. I called in and got thru and asked her if she thought big movie musicals would make a come back. She didn't think so.

[quote]And her daughter hates her, her career is over and she looks like shit.

You expect her to be the 'IT' girl in Hollywood at 85? She actually has a great career for an 85 year old actress. And you expect her to look great at 85? Sweetie, most people are fucking dead at 85.

Her daughter is a mess and possessed by demons.

Good advise- accept things as they are- look to animals for happiness. Animals and children almost never fail to bring happiness. I watched how much pleasure and meaning grandchildren gave my parents and I’ve also notice how the same works for beasties. You know the phrase, “bless the beasts and the children” and then “give them shelter from the storm”. Well if you do life will give back to you. Cat ladies and animal crazed old movie stars are happy!

I tend to believe that Hollywood stars are terrible parents. They're so dishonest almost as a way of life (sham relationships, using surrogates (fake pregnancies)).

However, I admit that I have been entertained by Shirley MacLaine's performances.

She's 85 years old, no money problems, lives in Malibu, still driving (a Prius, apparently), doing her own shopping at a grocery store, etc. Sounds like a nice life to me.

[quote] And you expect her to look great at 85?

Yes. She obviously should be doing CrossFit.

She eats what she wants, and sleeps when she wants, because she’s a former celebrity.

I adore MacLaine.

She should not have had a child.

I think she’s tremendous!

I’ve never really cared for her, she seems to play the same character over and over

Great gams.

[quote]Here she is on a trip to the grocery store in Malibu, acting and looking like a bag lady.

At least Shirley pays for her groceries.

So Steve had to take care of the crotch fruit. Boo hoo.

I adored her books when a gayling, and found it fascinating on how the press turned on her for her very inoffensive beliefs and portrayed as a nutty as fuck nutbar.

I think she is cool

[quote]Tell all about Shirley and her daughter, please.

This was covered extensively on the DL.

483 posts

I read the Sashi thread and now hate Shirley.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, WAIT. Are none of you going to comment on R9's post? Shirley drives a Toyota Corolla?

She breathes when she wants!.....for now!!

I will say this in Shirl's defense, as a successful, wealthy Hollywood actress she was once challenged about the relative external ease in all of her awareness and growth, and she admitted, "Spirituality is always better with room service", which I found very funny.

"Her daughter is a mess and possessed by demons."

No, her daughter seems very well adjusted, which is akin to a miracle, considering she had a crazy mother and pervy father. And I guess you think you're being clever by saying she's "possessed" by demons. For those of you who don't recognize the origins of your lame joke, I'll explain. Shirley MacLaine was an acquaintance of William Peter Blatty, author of "The Exorcist." The character of Chris McNeil was supposedly inspired by MacLaine; Chris McNeil is red haired, freckled, not very bright, foul mouthed, an atheist who nonetheless believes in supernatural phenomena, like levitation. She also has one child, a girl oddly named Regan, who she's photographed with in all the movie magazines. After "The Exorcist" hit it big, rumor had it that it was based on a true story, and that "Regan" was Sachi Parker. Of course it was utter bullshit, but the cover photo on the dust jacket for "The Exorcist" appeared to be a distorted photo of Sachi Parker. I can't remember the story behind that, but Parker talks about it in her book.

We're you expecting a yellow Rolls Royce, r39?

OP types jealous.

Pete Hamill dumped her for Jackie Onassis.

[quote]SHITLEY MacLaine brags about her perfect life

*perfect lives*

If you ask me [I doubt any of you would!], it's not just celebrities who shouldn't have children. There are millions of totally fucked up NON-celebrities raising hoards of children in the wrong way as I write this. But I think if you've got any sense of yourself and self-worth, you become who you are [fuck I'm sounding like Dr. Fil via Oprah via J.Z. fuckin Knight] as you edge on your snake like belly into some form of adulthood. My grandmother abused my mother. My mother abused my sister. My sister systematically flung it into the faces of our parents that she was searching for her biological parents [we're both adopted], also announcing at social gatherings what she experienced at my mother's hands. I was a witness to this abuse at my mother's hands, and had occasion to break it up. Once, my mother was beating my sister with a badminton raquet in the next room and I went in and grabbed it from my mother's hands and said, "What're you planning on doing with this? PLAYING BADMINTON?" I never backed down from stating what I saw [mainly to my father, who denied it ever happened]. It was her fierce determination to shame and embarrass my parents that I found I couldn't get my head around. I supported her 100% without question during this period. She has failed heroically to do one one hundreth for me what I did for her. I've never had an urge to find my biological parents. The point of this shower of shit is that at some point you've got to stop blaming your parents. I know there are extreme cases, but it's not all celebs, kids. I read Shirley's books "Don't Fall Off the Mountain" and "You Can Get There from Here" when I was eleven or so. They're really great reads. Why did her daughter feel compelled to write a book about her mother? Was it the advance? Did her analyst suggest it? Did her 'inner voice' start pinging? There are so many other ways to expend energy. I don't get it.

I thought she lived in Arizona. When did she move back to Cali?

Shirley has decided that she is going to be a whirling dervish in her next life.

Oops I meant New Mexico, but I just read the article. Guess she splits her time now between the two.

Jesus, r46, make an appointment.

Shirley MacLaine is the MOST annoying old time celebrity who ever lived. Limited in everything she ever tried to do - act, dance, sing (lol). Somehow the old bitch lives to annoy over and over. I wish she'd go the fuck away forever.

And like my mother she is alone, having driven everyone away.

I just googled the town she lives in New Mexico - wow, what a ghost town! She is out in the middle of nowhere!

I have read a lot of Shirley's books. The early ones were the best when she just lightly touched on metaphysical spiritual incidents which made them interesting, but as time went on her books were drowning in UFO's, reincarnation, past lives, the year 2012, etc. which made them over-the-top and tedious. Note to Shirley: Less Is More!!!

Does anyone believe her when she insists she and Sinatra never fucked?

Shirley stated in one of her books that she has personal knowledge that President Eisenhower had a meeting with aliens back in the 1950's. Speechless...………..!

Honestly, her later work will be enjoyed for a long time. She's fantastic in her 70s movies too. Along with Sophia Loren, Elizabeth Taylor and Audrey Hepburn - Shirley was just entering her 40s in the 1970s. The Possession of Joel Delaney, Two Mules for Sister Sara & A Delicate Balance are all interesting because of the very modern feel of a conflicted Shirley MaClaine. Then came The Turning Point and the best renaissance run that any actress has EVER had in middle age for the next twenty years! Everyone grows old or dies. Shirley doesn't try too hard to be witty. She's bored and cranky. Not as clever as she used to be. She's as crackpot as Marianne Williamson and as pragmatic as Obama. She's been a movie star for 60 years AND she cares more about politics than money! A true iconoclast. Bored with talking. Short on answers. A GREAT actress. Yes, great.

Yes, r55, I believe it. Judy didn't fuck Sinatra either.

Shirley often takes a UFO to town whenever she needs a lift.

I don't remember her in "A Delicate Balance", which is probably a blessing.

If Shirley were truly a huge bitch she would've demanded some young clerk bring her groceries to her car and left the cart in the parking lot. But she did not, per R9!

I always liked her....well, most of the time anyway. Boomer here, 41 yoa and I remember that my nut-job evangelical Christian parents HATed her when I was a young kid. They hated that she was an atheist, hated that she believed in past lives and reincarnation, hated that she was both a vocal and also respected celebrity (Academy Award) and finally hated that she was a "secular" (in an "evangelical" context - very stupid, but their verbiage not mine) celebrity who was getting attention on the talk show circuit. Naturally, I gravitated towards her years later when I was old enough to watch and care about her films. Much like Jane Fonda, she was quite maligned and disliked by conservatives of a certain age - yet often embraced by the generation or two after. I find her to be a very gifted actress with a very powerful presence (few actors have her "force" and confidence. I have not read her daughter's book (celebrities being so-so parents are nothing new), but will. Whatever the case, I very much enjoy Shirley in most of her movies. She does seem to play somewhat similar characters, but what actor doesn't? Most do.

R58, Really?

I'm not clicking, r63, I refuse to pay it any mind.

"Didn't she claim she sent her daughter away as a child to protect her from terrorists who were threatening her life?!"

No. She said a friend of hers told her there was talk of The Mob kidnapping her daughter in order to "appropriate your talent. They want to own you and this is how they'd threaten to do it." She claimed to have said in a rage "You tell those people to go fuck themselves. If they so much as cross to my side of a wide street or come within the same city as my daughter, I will call the President of the United States and every fucking reporter I know. I'll blow the whistle publicly on not only them but their wives and girlfriends, too. You tell them I think they are scumbags and I am not amused." She added "And one more thing. Tell them to shove their horse's heads up their asses!" All this happened BEFORE the novel "The Godfather" was released, so the horse's head reference seems rather suspect. At any rate she spoke of this with Sachie's pervy father Steve Parker and he said Sachi should come to Japan. She should go to school here, where she'll be safe." After "much soul searching", MacLaine packed her daughter off to Japan to save her from The Mob. Sachi later said in her book that if The Mob was intent on kidnapping her they surely would know where Japan was, so thinking she'd be "safe" from the Mob in Japan seemed rather ridiculous. Sachi seemed to believe that she was sent to Japan because Maclaine would have more freedom without her around. Her father, in the meantime, treated her like shit and when he wasn't ignoring her he was molesting her.

" Judy didn't fuck Sinatra either."

Yes, she did. I heard that she said he liked blow jobs all the time and said in exasperation "you gotta fuck sometimes, too!"

I wonder if she ever goes over to Lauren Hutton's for a cup of sugar?

Shirley put her New Mexico ranch on the market a few years ago for $18 million, but I don't know if it ever sold. She also bought a house in Santa Fe because she felt too isolated on the ranch and wanted to be able to go to the movies and nice restaurants.

She's filming 3 movies next year, which is amazing for her age. Most actresses in their 20s would kill for her career.

Like R1, I too am shocked and appalled that her career is over and she looks ghastly at the sprightly age of merely 85.

Doris Mann would never wear look like that at the grocery store.

Here Shirley sings wanly to Sammy Davis Jr. It's a great special if you can find it. Everybody was there. MJ, Whitney, Patti Labelle, Dean, Frank, Eddie Murphy, Cosby, Gregory Hines, Ella, Liza, Stevie. I was only 12 years old, but it stays in my mind. My parents loved Sammy. I waited for Michael Jackson and Whitney of course. But I don't know if there's ever been a more spectacular single tribute special. They sure didn't do it right for Whitney or Aretha. Because the level of talent is not the same and the old timers were ultimately somehow more sincere. Sammy was too much for anyone. THE triple threat. Anyway the part with Shirley begins at 7:20. She doesn't do it like a fake stranger. She loves him.

R62 Shirley is not an atheist. She's a New Age person and believes in God in her own way.

I think the most outlandish, unintentionally humorous thing that Shirley ever said in one of her books was that when Hitler died his soul was put in a warehouse in the next world. Is it a warehouse that all the bad souls go to?

[quote] I don't remember her in "A Delicate Balance", which is probably a blessing.

That's because she wasn't in it. It was Katharine Hepburn, Kate Reid, Lee Remick and Betsy Blair.

For a while, Shirl was delicately balanced atop Robert Mitchum.

I loved the ABC miniseries "Out on a Limb" she did based on her book. It was directed by Colin Higgins, who directed 9 to 5. It was the last thing he directed before he died of AIDS.

I was fascinated by it as a young gayling. I remember my mother watching it with me and saying, "She's lost her mind! I think she's gone crazy!" But I believed every second of it.

Here's part 2.

The Sachi book is extraordinary (& earned Sachi a 483 post thread on the DL, a classic in fact). I agree with the person upthread who said more or less whatever Shirley did, Sachi should have found another way to work her stuff with her mother out.

I know someone (not famous) who also wrote one of those books about her mother and it became a bestseller. Great read. But dreadful, total assassination. The mother has since killed herself. Wonder how the daughter feels now.

"Wonder how the daughter feels now."

Wealthier?

That woman!

[R78] The only reason she had a kid was to have someone to tear down. Does she not see all her own bad karma ? It’s not surprising that she’s still going strong. The bitter mean selfish ones always do.

Warren Beatty cruised us heavily in a restaurant in Bel Air one Saturday lunch hour 20 or so years ago.

We declined, since no money was offered.

R78, if the book was a bestseller and the person it was written about is a public figure and killed herself, why can't you just say who it was, for fuck's sake, instead of acting like you've got a state secret?

"The only reason she had a kid was to have someone to tear down. "

I don't think that was the case. But I have no idea why she had a baby. Like many actresses she's totally self-absorbed and career driven. Not mother material at all. Her neglect of Sachi was profound. She packed her off to another country, for God's sake. But she did get lots of prime publicity from photo shoots where she would behave like a playful, attentive mom with her little red haired mini-me. Those photos of her with little Sachi where they're playing dress up and making identical funny faces are rather disturbing to me. They seem like those photos of Joan Crawford and Christina when she was a little girl, both of them posing and preening in matching "mother and daughter" frilly dresses. Mommy and Little Girl look so cute but in real life the situation was a very dark one. Both Sachi and Christian were used by their mothers in that way.

Appropriation of Shirley MacLaine's talent would not have taken the entire Mob.....Norm Crosby could have done it - in his spare time.

[quote][R78], if the book was a bestseller and the person it was written about is a public figure and killed herself, why can't you just say who it was, for fuck's sake, instead of acting like you've got a state secret?

As I said - she WASN'T famous.

Renée Zellweger should follow up “Judy” with “Shitley”.

[quote] As I said - she WASN'T famous.

And where the fuck did I say it?

She was written about in a bestselling non-fiction book, therefore she's a public figure, which is what I said.

You're probably making it up, anyway.

Trust me, I worked with her. She's not so much a bitch as just cold. Glares a lot, much like Bacall used to.

[quote]She was written about in a bestselling non-fiction book, therefore she's a public figure, which is what I said.

Her daughter wrote a book about her mother ten years ago, which was on NY Times best seller list for a very brief window of time - this does not make the mother a "public figure".

The mother's suicide did NOT make the papers when it occurred about 8 years after the book was published - that's why I'm reluctant to post about it in detail on here. Though I have to admit, her other daughter did write about it on her Instagram account. So she did, in effect, make it public knowledge.

Anyway, you're the only person who'd shown any interest in the identity of the woman.

[quote]You're probably making it up, anyway.

eye-roll

I've lost interest. You're boring.

Give her credit, she put her money where her mouth was when it came to McGovern. She went all over the country stumping for him, organized benefits on his behalf. She wrote that she would have quit acting and worked for him had he been elected. Most celebrities give lip service, she did the ground work.

[quote]I've lost interest.

Good.

[quote] You're boring.

And you've lost the argument, so you post a lame insult. Don't be so nosy in future.

Such an overrated actress and that scowling face is so fucking ugly.

She was very good in a lot of films. Just because you don't like her, doesn't mean she was overrated.

[quote] And you've lost the argument

Not really. You were wrong, but it wasn't important enough for me to keep pushing it, which is why I said I was bored.

However if you're going to act like an asshole, then I'm happy to rub your face in it. You were wrong. Anyone who has a book written about them that's a bestseller is a public figure. Case closed.

Sachi really was possessed by a demon and Shirley had her exercised. The Exorcist was based upon Shirley and Sachi.

Shirley would have been better in the film than Ellen Burstyn. Much, much better and she would have won the Oscar.

Why didn't you just ask me to name the book? Instead, you posted a mini and totally unwarranted diatribe including the word "fuck" >

[quote][R78], if the book was a bestseller and the person it was written about is a public figure and killed herself, why can't you just say who it was, for fuck's sake, instead of acting like you've got a state secret?

Then you told me I was "making it up" and that I was "boring" and now "you're happy to rub my face in it".

Is this what you're like in real life when you want some information? You've got a lot to learn.

[quote]Shirley would have been better in the film than Ellen Burstyn. Much, much better and she would have won the Oscar.

I agree. Or Vanessa Redgrave! (as long as she didn't have to do her awful American accent). Burstyn was miscast.

Or - this is magical thinking > Sachi!!! should have played the kid and Shitley, the mother.

[quote] Sachi really was possessed by a demon and Shirley had her exercised.

LOL! Was Sachi spewing pea soup and cracking men's necks?

I would love to see a revealing documentary called "Sachi vs. Pazuzu: The True Story of The Excorist"

What the latest on Sachi?

She more or less disappeared after she wrote the book and did the publicity.

re Sachi

go to 19:30 below @ link.

"None of it was TRUE!" - love her body language when she says that.

r103 No remorse on her part about Sachi, it seems.

R97 The author of The Exorcist wrote the mother character with Shirley in mind and the part was offered to her - but she turned it down because her agent told her that the movie was not going to be a hit. I wonder what happened to that agent...……?

R103...It's just silly, saying her daughter wrote a whole book of lies. Larry should have pursued his questioning.

She was wicked to her daughter and there she is on TV lying about it

Shirley is a Taurus. Like Cher and Streisand. They're too narcissistic to be mothers and not very nurturing individuals. No Taurus should be allowed to be mothers, unless they are male.

How can a mother be male?

She's such a liar. What a horrible old bag.

I agree, R33, I’ve never really cared for her either but I am a snobby Brit.

She and Jack Lemmon marked the time when the great Billy Wilder stopped making important films and started making ordinary films about American schmucks.

It's sad that Wilder could pick MacLaine to play the prostitute 'Irma La Douce' in place of Marilyn Monroe who was indisposed.

She wrote that Doris Day was odd-looking with a big head.

I liked watching Burstyn go haywire in The Exorcist. It was a good performance.

Faye Dunaway should have been the mother. Brought some glamor to the proceedings.

PLUS she knows how to do spooky.

[quote]I liked watching Burstyn go haywire in The Exorcist

Gays love a crazy bitch.

Miss Dunaway recently played Katharine Hepburn channeling Pazuzu, and it was anything but glamorous.

Yes, but this was 45 years ago. Faye personified 70s glamor.

AND knew how to look spooky 👻

Spooky glamour

My Shirley MacLaine story: I was at the theatre in LA seeing Ragtime (pre-Broadway). During the intermission I was minding my own business when, out of the blue, I was knocked over by a running woman. It was Shirley MacLaine, fleeing from an autograph hound in the ladies room. She came back and helped me up, apologizing profusely, and then dragged me by the arm to a quiet corner behind a staircase, while telling me about the crazy fan who wouldn't let her pee in peace.

She then asked me what I thought of the show. I said it was brilliant and she hugged me like a lost child, saying the people she had come with were idiots and philistines who didn't get the show at all. We chatted and congratulated each other on our exceptional taste and sophistication for the rest of the intermission, then she let go of my arm and we went our separate ways. Two ships in the night...

That's your fantasy, R118? Dear God.

This was all an illusion?

I liked her in "The Apartment."

Burstyn was not believable as a glamorous Hollywood actress. She wasn't pretty enough and she was dull.

Shirley would have washed Ellen in that role. It's not that different a role than the one she played in Terms of Endearment, except that Pazuzu would have been slightly easier to work with than Debra Winger.

[quote]Burstyn was not believable as a glamorous Hollywood actress. She wasn't pretty enough and she was dull.

I thought this too. She was pretty, but had no style.

It's interesting to hear Shirley talk about Meryl Streep in the Larry King interview. She says that Meryl is an amazing actress because she gives up her identity. Shirley says she never gives up her identity when she acts. None of the iconic actresses give up their identity on the screen. Davis, Crawford, Hepburn, Streisand, etc., always play a version of themselves. And frankly, that's what audiences want to see from them.

I actually think Shirley has more range than even she believes. I bought her as her naive characters in The Apartment and Sweet Charity and the hard, tough as nails characters she played later in Terms of Endearment, Postcards From the Edge, and Steel Magnolias. That's talent to me.

Faye Dunaway was AMAZING. Her beyond EPIC performances in Bonnie and Clyde, The Thomas Crown Affair, Chinatown (!!!!), Three Days of the Condor and of course her Oscar Award winning role in Network.......well she OWNED the late 1960's through the entire 1970's. She was one of the most gorgeous and talented women the silver screen and was really the THE female star during that period. How most do not give her the acclaim that she deserves - that I will never understand.

The 1970s was the era of the pretty(ish) leading lady with no style.

[quote]The author of The Exorcist wrote the mother character with Shirley in mind and the part was offered to her - but she turned it down because her agent told her that the movie was not going to be a hit. I wonder what happened to that agent...……?

No she turned it down because she had made a possession movie the year before called "The Possession of Joel Delaney" released in May of '72 while "The Exorcist was in production. That would have been tow possession movies in a row.

[quote]Burstyn was miscast.

Yeah an actress/mother playing an actress/mother, what a stretch. Read the book and saw the movie and don't remember Chris MacNeil being described as glamorous, just a movie star and the shot at the beginning where she is filming at the campus was hardly a glamorous role.

[quote]and the hard, tough as nails characters she played later in Terms of Endearment

Aurora was NOT tough as nails. She was "difficult".

It was an excellent performance and as she said re The Oscar "I deserve this".

"Terms of Endearment" is the best soap opera film evah.

What an every weekday soap plot would take years to unfold was brilliantly condensed into 2 hours. It's like a shot of pure cinematic junk-food that hits every neuron.

I LOVE ToE, and every single actor in the cast is superb, all anchored by MacLaine.

She's so vain.....

R130, As good as Shirley is in the film, she's matched throughout by Debra Winger.

R106, Do you believe she actually read the book?

[quote] LOVE ToE, and every single actor in the cast is superb

Um...NO!

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CLUE: on the left

[quote][R106], Do you believe she actually read the book?

I don't know. Maybe her "friends" read her excerpts over the phone.

We had our revenge!

Shirley was dumb to say EVERYTHING was lies. She could've said this or that was exaggerated or taken out of context, but no. She wants people to believe that her daughter literally write a book full of nothing but lies...including stuff that's easily verifiable, like Shirl sending her toddler halfway across the world to spend her formative years.

Sure.

R137, Do you think Larry warned her that he'd be mentioning the book?

The way she acts like the kicker is that it's all lies...

R138 Larry doesn't do ANYthing prior to an interview, so no.

"Do you have any other kids?"

Awhile back there was a thread about Sachi's book and Shitley on DL that was deleted while we were posting on it. She must be controlling her image pretty tightly. When she said Holocaust victims were paying for their sins in past lives I was pretty much done with her.

Debra Winger on Shitley in an interview with Barbara Walters...

[quote]So I told her, "Let me get this straight... you live the life, then you write a book about it, and then you star as yourself in the TV adaptation of the book. Why not just strap a video camera to your shoulder all the time so you can skip the intermediate steps?"

I liked Patsy #1, r134. I wonder what became of the actress.

Patsy #2 (Miranda Richardson in The Evening Star) was way over the top with an atrocious Texas accent.

[quote] [R130], As good as Shirley is in the film, she's matched throughout by Debra Winger.

Two cunts crying and cunting around for two hours. Shitley + Debra CUNT Winger. Jesus, that set must have been a nightmare!

Sachi's book is a page turner. When she was in her twenties, she learned that Shitley believed Sachi's father, Steve Parker, was not her real father but a clone of the real one, an astronaut named Paul. For years Steve had conned MacLaine into paying him up to $60,000 a month for “Paul’s space travel expenses.” Sachi had to break it to her mother that she'd married a con man, which didn't go over well.

You can't make this shit up.

From the book...

On her mom’s belief in aliens:

“When we got back to the house, Mom pointed to the balcony. ‘See up there? That’s where I met them.’

‘Met who?”

‘The extraterrestrials. They landed over here on the sand, and then they came up on the porch, and we talked.’”

On her mom’s belief that her father had been cloned and was sometimes there and sometimes “Paul”:

“‘Paul is my real father? How come I’ve never heard of him? Where is he?’

‘Right now, he’s in outer space.’ Mom said this with disarming matter-of-factnes and a quiet sense of pride.

‘He’s in outer space?’

Mom made an equivocating gesture. ‘He’s on a mission for the government.’

‘A mission? What kind of mission?’

She gave me a patient smile. ‘A secret mission, sweetheart. All I know is, he’s in the Pleiades.’”

On her mom’s insistence that the government was a very real Big Brother:

“Mom fixed me with a benev0lently patronizing look. ‘Sachi, you’re very young, and you’re very naïve… The government does all kinds of crazy things. Do you realize they have surveillance satellites up there in space that can listen in on any conversation we have earth?’”

On discovering she had a different blood type than both her parents:

“…how could I be A positive? It wasn’t scientifically possible. I knew damn well Mom was my real mother — there was no escaping that — but was Dad my real father?….I do look like Dad…but I think I also bear a resemblance to, say, Yves Montand (or, for that matter, Alfred Hitchcock).”

So basically, Sachi isn't even Steve Parker's daughter and Shitley conned HIM into babysitting her all those years.

In my books, if you’re still here at near 90 and living independently, free, and contently, you must have done something good. So Shirley , go for it, bashers be damned.

Love her

Shirl having some fun.

[quote] In my books, if you’re still here at near 90 and living independently, free, and contently, you must have done something good.

Apparently, she's not content that her dogs prefer the dog sitter @ OPs link.

This is what happens when you neglect your kids.

How big an asshole do you have to be if your own dogs abandon you? Animals are great judges of character.

Shirley's the Queen of the Gypsies.....gyp gyp gyp gyp gyp gyp gypsies.......

She's a very "special" lady.

R142 Kate Charleson was the original Janice She passed away in 1996 at the age of 43. Her younger sister, Leslie, has been playing Dr. Monica Quartermain on "General Hospital" since 1977.

Poster of r153 here. I confused Patsy and Janice who was a friend of Emma's (Debra Winger) in New York. Lisa Hart Carroll played Patsy, not Kate Charleson.

Sounds like too many Wild Turkeys down your throat, gurl.

I can't remember what was the final straw that broke the camel's back re Shit and Sachi...that ultimately led to the book. Can YOU?

Maybe Shirl disinherited Satch?

There wasn't a final straw. Sachi said she hadn't written about her childhood because she knew if she did her mother would stop speaking to her. But then she realized Shirley already wasn't speaking to her. So she had nothing left to lose.

R155 No turkey, but definitely bull sized!

"It's sad that Wilder could pick MacLaine to play the prostitute 'Irma La Douce' in place of Marilyn Monroe who was indisposed."

After the experience with working with Monroe while filming "Some Like It Hot" Billy Wilder said in an interview that his psychiatrist said he was "too old and too rich" to ever go through something like that again. But directors will apparently be willing to do anything for a hit movie, because after the success of "Some Like It Hot" he was actually considering using Marilyn Monroe in "Irma La Douce." I guess it seemed like Monroe was the perfect choice for it; the character was the proverbial hooker with a heart of gold, an expert at pleasing men sexually. But she got mad at Wilder for something he'd said about what working with her was like, and the talks with Wilder were off. She died of an overdose not long after. At any rate, Wilder got his film made starring Shirley MacLaine, and should have been grateful. If the movie had starred Monroe it probably would never have been completed.

"Maybe Shirl disinherited Satch?"

Shitley never 'inherited" her daughter in the first place. That was one of the major things about Sachi's memoir; how her mother and father did not believe in "supporting" their child and giving her money. "Make it on your own wit out any help! You'll feel better about yourself that way!" That was what shitty Shirley tried to instill in her daughter. Sachi held a variety of jobs and tried to be an actress in order to make her own way. But according to her, Mommy Dearest even tried to stymie her acting to career by using her connections to make sure Sachi didn't get major roles. I can certainly believe that. I really don't think Shirley MacLaine wanted a successful actress as a daughter.

Artistic geniuses like Shirley should never be burdened with children, especially precocious little liars like Sachi.

The fact that Shirley even acknowledged her and gave her bread and water is more than enough.

[quote]how her mother and father did not believe in "supporting" their child and giving her money.

The father allowed Shit' to support HIM.

What was the story around Sachi's wedding? Mom had agreed to pay - but had delayed it and then arrived at the wedding late, waving the check around.

There are probably others here who remember those details better. I hate to misquote.

[quote]In my books, if you’re still here at near 90 and living independently, free, and contently, you must have done something good.

Not really. The good die young.

I thought Wilder wanted Monroe for The Apartment?

"I thought Wilder wanted Monroe for The Apartment?"

No,Monroe wanted Monroe for "The Apartment." She said she would have loved to have played Fran Kubelik. But she would have been totally wrong for the part. She was too much of a sex symbol to portray some poor office girl getting played by her executive older lover. Audiences would never have believed someone as glaringly sexy and gorgeous as Monroe would be strung along like Fran was; someone who looked like Monroe would have had her lover wrapped around her finger, not the other way around.

Not to mention that Monroe was 8 years older than MacLaine. MacLaine is wonderful in The Apartment. Shut up and deal.

R122: You could say the same things about Maclaine. She was never really glamorous. Winsome or kooky, but not glamorous. She was fine in The Apartment, but annoying in Irma La Douce. She was tiresome in "Endearment" which is an awful cliche-ridden mess. Winger is better but gets stuck with that death from cancer ending.

Shirley did take over Marilyn's role in What a Way to Go, which was planned as Marilyn's next picture after the ill-fated Something's Got To Give. Shirley wore the far-out, sexy costumes that had been designed with Monroe in mind. The movie would've been better with Monroe because Shirley didn't have enough sex appeal to pull it off.

[quote]She was tiresome in "Endearment" which is an awful cliche-ridden mess.

I didn't think so at all. Could easily have been, but wasn't.

R160 Yes, you are right.

I'm no fan of Monroe but she might have made slightly more interesting Irma than skinny, sad-sack MacLaine in the role.

And, R160, you're also making me rethink my demarcation of Billy Wilder's 1950s 'important' films from his 1960s American schmuck films.

Marilyn Monroe played the decorative subsidiary character in 'The Seven Year' in 1955, 'Some Like It Hot' in 1959 and (if things went as planned) 'Irma la Douce' in 1963. Her role was the subsidiary, sex-object for the schmucks played by Jack Lemmon and Tom Ewell.

R170 So MacLaine replaced Monroe twice.

She's sounding like Greer Garson in 1942. She got all those roles which MGM meant for Greta Garbo and Norma Shearer.

What's odd about Sachi is how sweet and genuine she is. Her experience could have turned her into an angry bitter cunt. I think that's why DL got behind her in such a big way in this feud.

(cont.) And her book was never bitter or angry - she just told the story of what happened to her.

Though I guess, to write such a book, you have to be somewhat bitter and angry. It WAS her revenge.

Oh, leave her be. She was a pass-around Polly for the Rat Pack, hadn't she been through enough?

Janice was a cunt. “Validate my feelings?” Such a dunking cunt!

Love her. She's so entertaining. Terms, Sweet Charity, Steel- a great old broad.

Her daughter's book bothered me, but what are ya gonna do? Actresses shouldn't be mothers.

Does Shirls' ol pussy stink?

Shirley was first choice to play Molly Brown, Debbie got it by default.

R164 On the day of Sachi's wedding she stated in her book that she spoke to Shirley and wished that she could have been more supportive of her. Shirley got the hint but then went overboard - she told all the wedding guests that she was picking up the entire $20,000 bill for the wedding. She was like a foghorn and Sachi was a bit mortified.

"It's hard to feel much warmth for her," said Don Siegel, who directed her in "Two Mules for Sister Sara." " She's too unfeminine and has too much balls. She's very, very hard." Anthony Hopkins, who worked beside her in "A Change of Seasons", called her "the most obnoxious actress I have ever worked with".

I wonder why Shitley didn't try to do the movie of Mame. She would have been the right age and God knows, just about as wrong for the role as Lucy.

And judging by OPs picture she's also free to draw her eyebrows wherever she wants on her forehead and free to put her Yorkie on her head instead of her regular wig.

I heard she's in negotiations to steal Gypsy from Babs.

In interviews she strikes me as someone who is totally without a sense of humor. Warren Beatty is kind of like that, too. Both have that strange quality.

[quote]If you're still here at near 90

She said when her baby was born she looked down and saw the placenta and was amazed at what a long penis the baby had!

Gowns by Edie

William Peter Blatty asked about "The Exorcist" and kooky Shirl:

Is there any connection with the story you wrote to a situation that may have occurred with Shirley MacLaine's daughter, Sachiko?

BLATTY: No. But Shirley was my first choice for the part because I had modeled the character of the mother (Chris MacNeil) on her. Not on Jane Fonda. On Shirley. Shirley was the first to read it. It didn't happen. And the next thing I knew, Jason Miller was telling me that he'd run into Shirley, who to this day I love, and she told him that the cover illustration on the book jacket was her daughter Sachiko . And the next time I saw Shirley, I said, "Shirley, how would I get the picture of Sachiko put on the cover?" She said, "Well, you broke into the house and you took it." I said, "Well, I didn't do that. Someone at Harper & Row created that image. How? I have no idea. It was not Sachiko."

If the image on the dust jacket of "The Exorcist" was NOT a photo of Sachi Parker, then it is indeed an odd coincidence that it so resembled a distorted image of her. You look at it, and if you'd seen photos of Sachi Parker you WOULD think that it's her. Did Harper & Row, knowing that the character of Chris MacNeil was modeled on Shirley MacLaine, somehow get a hold of a photo of Sachi Parker (I imagine it would not have been hard to do) and doctor it to make it look devilish? I wonder if that is what happened.

Blatty is trying backtrack on Shirley and Sachi because he doesn't want to admit that he stole the story from her life instead of creating it himself.

I worked w Shirley in Postcards, r187!

Were you the gay pianist???

Did M bring little Mamie to the set?

It twirled.

No, I initiate the number. ("Doris, sing something!")

Wait, what? Sachi Parker is reprising her mother's role in a play with Richard Pryor about an interracial couple who were supposedly abducted by aliens?

GREAT FIND, R198.

If I lived in NYC I'd go.

Couldn't Stacey have found a job at Starbucks or returning messages for a real estate agent? Why would such a homely woman want to be an actress? She must be over 60 and she hasn't any credit to her name. Stachki should stop trying to capitalize off her mom. That might improve their afterlife. Go Shirley. I'm not convinced Sketchi is even your kid. Who wants a senior citizen as a dependent?

R199 We have until October 17 to get there. haha

[quote]She must be over 60 and she hasn't any credit to her name.

R200 Not quite. But this obsession with the paranormal does seem to run in the family. Satchi's appeared in three time travel films: Back to the Future (1985), Peggy Sue Got Married (1986) and Scrooged (1988).

She looks like her mother. I never understood the Paul the Astronaut story. $60k a month for space travel? So weird.

I don't see anything wrong with a child living with one parent or the other if the parents don't live together. Happens all the time. Except this time it was with a con-man who probably wasn't her father. In normal separated/divorced couples, the kids often live with one parent a lot more than the other.

By the way, when Sachi told her mother that Steve was a con man Shitley hired a private investigator check him out and promptly divorced him. Otherwise, she'd probably still be paying "clone" Steve $60k per month to support astronaut "Paul" on a secret government project in the Pleiades, 425 light years away. smh Sachi did her mom a favor and saved her $.

[quote]Why would such a homely woman want to be an actress?

I dunno, honey, but it happens!

She was a dancer. Not a beauty but a smoking hot body and she was a good hoofer back when movies used a lot of dancers.

I always thought she was talented. Never bothered with her books that people made such a fuss about.

[quote]he told him that the cover illustration on the book jacket was her daughter Sachiko

What's your name again, honey?

R203 Doubtful, since Steve turned up his toes in 2001.

R205 Yes, she was once a starving dancer in NYC and I remember the story in her first book "Don't Fall Off the Mountain" about eating cheaply at the "automat" before her big break with Hitch. Funny, I just found this excerpt from a later book:

[quote]I had just come out of the chorus for Pajama Game on Broadway and was thin and broke. My diet as a chorus girl was Horn & Hardart's Automat food. I could live on ten cents a meal. There were lemons and sugar at the tables and water at the fountain. I'd make lemonade. Peanut butter and raisin bread sandwiches were ten cents in the food windows. So I had my peanut butter-raisin bread sandwich and lemonade for two nickels.

I liked her the earlier books about her life on Broadway and in Hollywood.

I hate to be one of those people who tells people off for not following the DL way of thinking and doing things and I LOATH "we" trolls, but >

[bold]WE do not knock and criticise Sachi on The DL.[/bold] In fact there are a couple of recent posts, which I will not quote, that have made me feel very uncomfortable indeed.

R208 Literally, no she wouldn't still be paying him, but she divorced him in 1982 so there would have been plenty of time between then and his death in 2001 that she could have been paying him if Sachi hadn't blown the whistle on that swindler.

We criticize everyone on the DL, dear.

Not Jan Hooks.

[quote]We criticize everyone on the DL, dear.

Ever heard the expression DL Fave?

You're looking at one... ⬇️⬇️

I've heard all of the DL expressions, dear, and she's no Dina Merrill or Liz Montgomery.

The DL was so supportive of Sachi on the classic Sachi thread it almost brought tears to my eyes.💦

There were a few knockers (probably you)...but by and large the support was unanimous.

Sorry about the little emojis - I only just discovered them. They're so cute.👨‍❤️‍👨< but they're a bit small. (That one depicts two men in love).

R197 - please tell us about your time on the set. Both M and Shirl were so great in that scene.

Why did they name her Stephanie Sachiko and call her Sachi? Pretty weird, especially for the '50s.

Maybe Sachi worked well for her in Japan.

What Exorcist book cover had a girl on it who looked like Sachi? The only one I can find with a girl on it has a picture of Regan who doesn't look much like Sachi.

Oh sorry I just saw R206, but honestly that doesn't look like Sachi at all. Shirley really thought someone broke into her house and stole a photo to make that?

R222 Not really a stretch for the woman who for years sent $60,000 per month to her "real" husband working in the Pleiades...

R223 ...and had a friendly chat with some ETs...

[quote] “When we got back to the house, Mom pointed to the balcony. ‘See up there? That’s where I met them.’

[quote] ‘Met who?”

[quote] ‘The extraterrestrials. They landed over here on the sand, and then they came up on the porch, and we talked.’”

The great Shirley Maclaine was too fabulous. So talented and alive and sexy. What has little Scootchie ever accomplished?

Her her book "My Lucky Stars" Shirley claimed to have found out for certain from "a channeler" that her husband was a con artist. More gooney New Age blather.

In her first book "Don't Fall Off The Mountain" I liked her story of a supposedly real life Irma La Douce. She went with the young son of some friends (he was her interpreter) to Les Halles in order to "research" the life of a hooker, so she could play Irma La Douce authentically. They find a tall girl with black hair, "reasonably pretty" with a good figure and a no nonsense attitude about her "Job." The girl is seemingly 'the best hooker on the block." The hooker, named Danielle, allows herself to be observed and insists that MacLaine watch her do her "work" in order to teach her how to play Irma properly. So MacLaine watches through a peephole while Danielle (and a few other hookers) are hard at "work" on a client. She doesn't describe what she sees in any detail, only that the "activity was frantic. It looked like something Jerome Robbins would have staged." Later she tried to question in depth the happy hooker but can't get much more out of her besides "I like my job and it pays well." Of course she has a "mec" or pimp, but he's her one true lover and takes care of her. MacLaine kept probing her with questions until finally Danielle has some kind of panic attack and "bolts from the room.' A madam at the hotel where Danielle brings her tricks explained that Danielle was a heroin addict. Hating her "job" she asked to be released from her mec, but instead he supplied her with heroin, "something that numbed her body and her mind, something that put her beyond caring what happened to her thirty-five times a night." MacLaine goes on:

"Once a prostitute becomes a drug addict the circle is tightly drawn. The money must come from somewhere. The young ones and the old, the pretty and the ugly stand in line, night after night, in pouring rain, in bitter cold, in snow, always wearing the dresses with the long, fast zippers, swaying up a hundred flights of stairs a night, offering their numbed bodies and their deadened souls for their reward: a heroin fix."

Sound pretty awful. At any rate, MacLaine's experience with real life hookers (if true) is sharply different from what is portrayed in "Irma La Douce." In that movie, prostitution is depicted as...well, kind of cute.

The "channeler" was of course Sachi but Shitley could never give her daughter credit.

Shitley and Satchmo-

WHAT A PAIR OF CUNTS!!!!

They need to do an autobiographical Broadway play called Shitley and Satchmo.

Assholes.

Before the hilarity ended.

She not bragging- she’s just telling about her state of mind. If someone says the myvare content with their life, is that bragging?

The OP resents Shirl having a relaxed, comfortable retirement.

I wonder what kind of issues OP has/had with her own mother

"The OP resents Shirl having a relaxed, comfortable retirement."

In that photo at R9 she doesn't look very "comfortable" or "relaxed." Her scowl suggests a very miserable, unhappy person.

Yes, R232, I agree with you that this thread's headline displays the OP's fecal frame of mind.

Whereas I have no interest in this woman or her feces.

Don't we all eat what we want and sleep when we want?

Did it take her all this time to achieve that?

R235 Yes. She's been too busy studying UFO's and past lives.

R236 The Mother Ship beaming up Shirley.

It SHIRLLLED up!!!

I can’t believe all these queens who mistook a Toyota Carolla for a Prius!

Did she and Warren ever.....you know....?

I'm looking at the OP's pic and Shirl doesn't look miserable to me, from what she said about her life now she sure doesn't sound miserable either.

Do you hate her success in films for so many decades and her well-funded retirement now? Is it because you wanted those things and know you will never achieve them? Hmm.. sucks to be you, green eyed monster.

If you failed at life, you failed. It's not Shirl's fault.

R185, funny you should mention that, because I remember hearing that Shirl did a bang up "Rose's Turn" once during one of her concerts. Knowing her vocal limitations, I'm sure it wasn't beautifully sung, but I could see her acting the hell out of Rose back in the day. She's more that type than Streisand ever was.

Shirl finally found this thread, at R241.

Have some crème brûlée and STFU, Hon.

Mother made Mama Rose look like June Cleaver.

Mother made Pazuzu look like Tinky-Winky.

[quote] If you failed at life, you failed. It's not Shirl's fault.

In some cases, it is.

Scratchi would have failed regardless. She's pathetic.

R246=Miss S. Beaty, Santa Fe

I read [italic] Dancing in the Light [/italic], and [italic] Out on a Limb [/italic] back when they came out, and believed a bit, but still thought Shirley was a nutcup. I'm definitely reading the Satchi thread next!

The Scootie thread is just a bunch of old gays with mommy issues, whining.

[quote]Scratchi would have failed regardless. She's pathetic.

Her father used to take her to a cocktail bar in Tokyo where the waiters stirred the cocktails with their penises.

She's turned out surprisingly normal.

R248, you type OLD

[quote]Shirl finally found this thread, at [R241].

I am NOT Shirley Maclaine!

[quote][R248], you type OLD

R251, You type retarded.

r194 Yes. Really gay, all the more so for that scene...

R253 is an excerpt from Schotzi's book! She's a scintillating writer.

[quote]Her father used to take her to a cocktail bar in Tokyo where the waiters stirred the cocktails with their penises.

So all the drinks were served in shot glasses?

[quote][R253] is an excerpt from Schotzi's book! She's a scintillating writer.

DL seemed to think so.

[bold]>>>[/bold]

I see Shitley used her Ouija board and found this thread.

Scanki should start a gofundme for DL contributions. Can't the girl waitress?

Sachi was a flight attendant for Qantas, I think. She was bilingual English/Japanese. To get the job she had to take a test in which she scored the highest they'd ever seen on empathy. She really does look like Yves Montand.

Shitley and Yves Montand...

OP, you spelled her name wrong. I hope it wasn't intentional.

[quote]Sachi was a flight attendant for Qantas, I think.

That's right. Didn't she says she was schlepping food on the plane and Shitley was up on the movie screen?

So this deep, personal hatred of Shirley Maclaine, it's in "defense" of her now adult daughter being sent to live with her father as a child?

Another tidbit from Sachi's book. She and Shirley did a commercial, together, mother and daughter shilling diet Pepsi. Sachi was paid union scale. Shirley was paid a million.

But isn't Shirley the movie star and her daughter is just her daughter? It stands to reason that the movie star would get paid a lot more.

Not THAT much more.

Show Sachi some respect.

Meh.

I love the way the commercial's all about a very wise, very loving mother.

Scatti was homely as fuck. She wouldn't be in a commercial if it weren't for Shirl's generosity.

I sort of want to reread Sachi's book, but I'm not sure if I can face it. Know what I mean?

In that commercial Sachi reminds me a bit of Teri Garr.

I see what you mean, R272.

Snatchy look like Valerie Cherish in that Diet Pepsi commercial!!!!!!

Scrunchie received Shirl's first kiss when she won her Oscar in 1984.

When Meryl Street gave her the AFI Life Achievement Award last year I believe, she dedicated it to the person she most loved in her life and ever will... her bother Warren. Talk about throwing a dagger at her daughter. MacLaine is a crazy, spoiled Hollywood star.

I knew someone who worked as her personal assistant. On his first day on the job she sent him out to buy every red blouse he could find, everywhere. He came home with, oh I don't know, probably 20 or 30 blouses from all different stores. She tried them on, picked one and told him to return the rest. His job lasted just a few more days because he couldn't bare that kind of crazy.

[Quote]His job lasted just a few more days because he couldn't bare that kind of crazy.

She had him take his clothes off? I thought she was the one trying out the blouses.

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[quote]Maybe things are better, now.

Or worse.

Good for her.

Were all her lives perfect?

R281 Yes, they were.

I think Shirley is a wonderful actress and I love her in Some Came Running, The Apartment, and Sweet Charity but I believe everything Sachi wrote. A total Hollywood narcissist who would care more about a political campaign than her own daughter. Getting rid of her daughter allowed her to pursue her career with no worries and allowed her to have affairs with whomever she wanted.

Sachi when interviewed seems pretty damaged and who wouldn't be? She's fortunate though that her mother is so famous she could make money off this book. And Shirley probably told her she was not inheriting anything so Sachi had nothing to lose. And what's wrong with Sachi making money off her mother's rotten behavior? Shirl abused her daughter so horribly through neglect and putting her in harms way Sachi might as well get something out of it. That's really something when you're in school in Switzerland and you're so forgotten there is no one in the world who cares what you are going to do at Christmas break. Talk about having to depend on the kindness of strangers. Too bad Sachi didn't become a well known liberal politician. She would have gotten everything at her mother's death.

But Shirl is such a mean cranky old lady she probably has a number of years ahead of her.

[quote] and one with a healthy but expansive ego.

You must consider Donald Trump a shrinking violet.

She wheels her cart to her car - loads her own groceries - and takes the cart back to the proper place. She also seems to acknowledge people who recognize her.....and she's still driving herself.

Not a bad way to spend her last years.....in this existence.

[quote]But Shirl is such a mean cranky old lady she probably has a number of years ahead of her.

Most old ladies are mean and cranky.

That's a cruel stereotype, r286. Some older women are kind, cultured, and refined.

I see Sachi's back - bumping the thread.

Here's another Shirley sighting, this time at a drug store in Malibu. She's in another bag lady outfit that does nothing for her, but it's the same Prius.

She's kind of overdoing the crème brulee. That's not a Fosse butt.

I thought it had been established it's a Corolla.

She's eating her denial.

Shirley says in another lifetime she was a princess in Egypt; she knows all about da Nile.

After reading about Carrie Fisher and Debbie and their relationship, I really do wonder how lonely Shirley is without Sachi or if she even cares. She also has two grandsons. Does she ever see them.