Trashy universities with a bad reputation

Texas Tech University

Yale

ASU

U. of Alabama.

Definitely ASU.

Pepperdine--it replaced USC as the rich-kid party school.

Va Tech

4 replies and no Liberty U?

My niece is attending Michigan and based on the group pictures in which she is tagged on Facebook, it’s a school for harlots.

Hofstra university

SDSU! FSU!

University of Colorado, Boulder

Any SUNY

USC (South Carolina)

UAPB (U Are Probably Black)

UNLV

UW Madison

Penn State

WVU

LSU was a great place for me and my family. Although the two sides have had a little red herring

[quote] My niece is attending Michigan and based on the group pictures in which she is tagged on Facebook, it’s a school for harlots.

Full-sized or pint-sized? You really MUST watch out for the pint-sized ones.

Chico State for years was named by Playboy as America's #1 party school

Humboldt State usually made the list as well!

basically Any school with state in it (arizona state, florida state etc)

Penn State?

Ball State University

Baylor for a “christian” school is also trash!

Pepperdine.

Oral Roberts University

University of Phoenix

LSU

ASU

MSU

LA Tech

Texas Tech

But the trashiest is Penn State

Bob Jones University

St. Olaf University

I’m so grateful my alma mater (and employer) hasn’t surfaced here yet.

Anything Baptist.

grand canyon university.

Trump University was the trashiest ever.

Penn State has the hideously named “nittany lion”, whatever that is. The graphics for it are ugly too. I would never go anywhere near a nittany lion.

Any college with purple as one of its colors is usually bad.

Mount Nittany overlooks the campus

[quote]basically Any school with state in it

You know, you might be on to something now that I think about it.

Oklahoma State in Stillwater, OK. Even people that teach there call the town “stillbirth.”

R34 Untru!

Sorry--Untrue! (yes, the typo makes me look like an idiot, I know).

R18 Chico State was the dream school of the dumbest girl I went to high school with. She ended up flunking out, and it must have cost a fortune because we're Florida residents, so she had to pay out-of-state tuition there. I never understood why none of Florida's many party schools weren't good enough for her.

I'm utterly perplexed by the two mentions of Pepperdine. It is a Christian university with a dry campus and a moral code of conduct. How exactly does that qualify as a party school?

R41 Pepperdine is a place for rich sluts to get a degree in ‘Mrs.’

The one where alumni scream ROLL TIDE. That one.

MIT Media Lab

Some rich man came and raped the land, nobody caught 'em,

Put up a bunch of ugly boxes and, Jesus, people bought 'em

And they called it paradise, the place to be,

They watched the hazy sun sinking in the sea

R43 well that’s a given that entire state is trash

r43 oh, you a ‘bama?

Pepperdine is a great choice when your only criteria for a school is that it be in Malibu.

Villanova.

Any school in Florida or Alabama.

Pepperdine is more expensive than Princeton,Harvard and Stanford which is a joke. It’s a school for vapid rich white kids.

There are some good Cal States, depending on what your area of study is and what career field you want to enter.

University of the South, up a spazzy mountain.

R49 I taught Villanova for semester (visiting professor)--nothing trashy about it as far as I experienced. The crosses in every classroom took some getting used, but the students were generally bright, pleasant, and hard-working.

Nyu @R34

University of Phoenix. Degree by internet.

Penn State became super trashy when all the corrupt state politicians wanted branch campuses in their districts. Now it's just a diploma mill and sportswear company with 37% of all PA residents having some kind of "degree" from it.

R41 Pepperdine, like Azusa Pacific, has an underground of "partiers" whose anxiety is only exacerbated by the kick of needing to keep everything on the "down low." Trashy? Nah. Sad and silly? Yah.

Penn State got trashy when they mistook their dumb football team for God Almighty and sacrificed poor boys for it.

Pepperdine made their students huddle in their cafeteria while wildfires raged outside. Demanded they stay on campus. Students were wheezing and complaining about the smoke filtering into the building. It was haunting to hear it all go down on the scanner app.

A family friend’s daughter was a great student in high school and got a full ride to Pepperdine. She went, but came back a semester or two later. Apparently it’s full of the most stuck up women and it’s all about being fake and shitty to everyone. Christians they are not.

Other colleges: Arizona State is BAD Grand Canyon Oregon Liberty Idaho State Florida State Illinois Southern Oregon

R56, are you talking about the entire system, or the State College campus? Only 31% of Pennsylvanians have a four-year degree from anywhere.

When people, including people in Pennsylvania, say "Penn State", they mean the flagship campus ... which is not say it's not a party school.

Yale.

I did my undergrad at Penn State and then went onto the Ivy League (Penn) for graduate school. I'm a little trashy, but just barely, lol.

^Christ, maybe I should return that Penn diploma. Unto*, not onto. Thankfully I was a nursing major, not English.

My sis in law from back east says Providence is trashy af.

Hear! Hear! R61

[quote]Villanova

No. Note even close

^Not

Temple. You know it's pretty bad when I'm your most famous alumni

Why is there so much snobbery about higher education in the US? What’s the point of attending a non-Ivy, when no one will take you seriously?

People who went to Harvard or Yale 50 years ago is pretty impressive. These days, I don’t think it has the same zing.

Chicago State University

Olivia Jade wanted to go to Arizona State. That tells you all you need to know.

My spouse went to ASU Online briefly for a doctorate but left after two semesters. It’s a diploma mill and had non existent teachers. This is also the school that Starbucks gives their workers free tuition too, I think.

But... but... U. of Alabama - Tuscaloosa likes to tout itself as "the Harvard of the South ". Surely, it must be a terrific university to boast such a claim.

University of Alabama is a blast

CalArts used to have a really bad rep. Not just as a party school, but the education was garbage because the faculty was just as stoned and fucking around as the students.

Tulane, where the French Quarter is only a streetcar ride away.

Notre Dame

Almost all schools in Ohio and Indiana. Oberlin was an exception until they went insane.

Hudson University. You would not believe the shit that goes on there.

R79 You're disparaging Kenyon?

Oberlin College

. Swarthmore College

Wesleyan University

Evergreen College

Mizzou - University of Missouri

Yale

Howard is garbage just promotes worthless "social" degrees with a one sided agenda.

Columbia in NYC. That trashy hoe Timothee went there.

Trump University!

I can’t believe no one’s mentioned it yet!

Actually NYU is the trashy Manhattan school. It's almost Pace level.

NYU's been climbing the ranks--not as trashy as it used to be. Columbia's not trashy--just isn't.

USC had made it out of the trash pile, but it being implicated in half of the admissions scam cases hasn't helped it.

r85 I can't believe you bothered to post that without reading the whole thread.

Bob Jones University

BYU

Berkeley

Berkeley is trashy??

Liberty University

Trashy lux? Bard

U of Maryland-CP.. basically all new jersey trash and jews. The campus is ugly as fuck. It looks like a state prison. Plus its not a real college town. Oh .. and overachieving Indians and Chinese in the engineering dept... UMBC .. u must be Chinese..

My sister’s most trashy friend went to Swarthmore and lords it over everyone.

Nyu, party school

Ooo! Since ya'll bitches are in the mood to trash shitty schools , please add your input to an old thread of mine. Some of the schools you guys are trashing reminds me of a previous conversation. Ignore the typo in the title.

Is it true that a degree from Vanderbilt is useless?

Harvard

It's not actually a trashy school, but since the theme of this thread seems to be "name any school in the USA", I thought someone ought to mention Crimson on the Charles.

Penn State started a process not that long ago to do away at least on paper with the distinction between the main campus and all the other Penn State campuses around the state. Growing up it was somewhat of a prestigious thing if you got into "Penn State Main." Now all the diplomas are identical regardless of what campus you attended. I run into people all the time you say they went to or graduated from Penn State but went to the Scranton, Mehoopany or Intercourse campus. They hide it in conversation and on their resumes. In their mind they are Penn State grads but not to me.

Carleton University in Canada, where the k stands for kwality (aka Last Chance U).

USC and Pepperdine

R95 actually managed to make the Terp school look high class with his racist rantings.

And as for OP--wouldn't the fact that a school is a "trashy university" imply it already had a bad reputation?

And as for this

[quote] People who went to Harvard or Yale 50 years ago is pretty impressive. These days, I don’t think it has the same zing.

Da fuck?

If anything it is much harder to get into one of those schools in 2019 than it was in 1969 or even 1999.

[quote}They hide it in conversation and on their resumes.

R101, that would be the point of "trashy" and "bad reputation". The flagship campus is a party and sports school, as everyone knows, but it's still a decently ranked research-level university. The same cannot be said for the branch campuses.

Apologies for quote failure!

And FWIW, as many of you have mentioned, for someone my age saying "I went to Pepperdine" is the equivalent to saying "I have the IQ of a lesser marsupial."

DAMMIT! "... THE quote failure!"

Enough gin for me tonight!

^^is equivalent to saying. (No "the")

Troll University, Ohio

All Yank unis are trash compared to the ancient dreaming spires of Oxford University.

Absolutely, R101. It would have been easier/closer for me to go to Penn State Harrisburg because I'm from Lancaster--Penn State York is close, too, but they don't have a school of nursing--but I chose Main/University Park, because to me, that is "Penn State." You're right, many try to obfuscate which Penn State campus they attended. Luckily, there is only one University of Pennsylvania (though it's sad some, even residents of Pennsylvania, think Penn State and UPenn are the same thing).

R102 I've always heard shit talked about Simon Fraser University and to a lesser degree York University (which seems middle of the road) .

Hofstra Pace LACs generally can’t be trashy. Especially ones that have <#30% acceptance rate and cost $60k+

That's what makes them trashy

Harvard is trashy since Epstein donned their sweatshirts.

You have to have a high GPA to get into Pepperdine, r107. You don't know what you're talking about.

Cornell and Brown.

Savannah College of Art and Design. Most expensive crap school, or in the top 5. Paula Wallace is CEO/President/Megalomaniac and is crazier than the Queen of Hearts (and divorced her first husband when she discovered him sucking off some twink music major!). The stories about her are legendary. MA faculty have been forced to write their inept students’ thesis for them. High school education for only the cost of an Ivy League university!

[bold]The Art Institutes [/bold]

For Profit Chain. The buggiest ripoff on the planet. Take the bottom of the barrel students, no talent needed, no portfolio needed, shitty grads ok. As long as you qualified for a government loan you were in. Then when the money runs out not their problem. Had the highest default rate of any college chain. Something like 50%. And an undercover video revealed they were paying recruiters huge bonuses based on the number of kids they could convince to join. That was illegal. It was so bad one female student turned to stripping to pay off her school loan and posted it all over YouTube included how childish her artwork was and they still let her graduate with straight A GPA.

Fortunately, the Obama admin stepped in before they left and filed a 4 billion lawsuit against the school. They settled for several hundred million but not a big enough strike to take them out completely. Fortunately that caused enough attention that the world got how and they have been closing schools left and right. I think they went from over 100 campuses to maybe half a dozen. Mostly in Deplorable states like Florida and Texas.

Copacabana School of Dramatic Art

The Sheboygan Conservatory is still top drawer!

For-profit colleges need to be banned. Or public service ad campaigns are required to warn poor students NOT to take out loans or go to them.

Poor, naive kids are told they don’t have to pay a dime and they will get tens of thousands of dollars in loans - and a free computer - to attend “college”. The have been mislead to think college is worth the money - and have no concept that borrowing money for a crappy school is a horrible idea.

Go to community college should be the new mantra.

[R123] I agree! People used to put them down, but ours, Northern Virginia community college, is top notch. Much better use of money.

R119 I’ve always wondered about SCAD. It’s one of the most expensive universities in the country, and yet the people who go there treat it like it’s a trade school.

How bout U of Vermont? It’s not really a shit school but it costs an absolute fortune to go there compared to other state universities.

Considering how expensive tuition is for these American universities, most diplomates ought to be glad they could afford any of these schools.

I knew a couple of kids who went to UVM R126

They liked to ski and were B students. There are some decent programs there and it's probably a lot less then Bennington or Middlebury.

Baylor was a scuzzy crap hole........god I hated it.......you would not believe the shit that went on there..........all the boys are gay.........every single one of them.........but they all wed females............amazing.........

Evergreen. 97.5 admit rate.

Pepperdine's average GPA is 3.59--not that high in these days of grade inflations--and that also means if you pay full-ride tuition, you won't need that to get in.

More than half of American colleges didn't meet their enrollment goals by June 1. Expect a large wave of college closures in the next ten years. People aren't going to pay a quarter of a million for degrees from colleges no one's ever heard of.

Good point R130. The apocalypse is coming with the declining college age population combined with the increasing awareness of the cost/reward correlation of a mediocre college degree. Glad to see it.

Harvard

Kay Kyser's Kollege of Musical Knowledge.

University of Miami

Fashion Institute of Technology

Ohio State

California State University- Long Beach

r123, I agree. Also, there should also be an expansion, through the community college system, of vocational training. For-profit schools that teach how to be an HVAC tech or medical assistant could be eliminated without banning them simply by providing low-cost public education for the basics in the these fields + a guaranteed, low-paid (but not unpaid) apprenticeship. I can't speak for HVAC and other blue collar fields*, but in the pink collar areas, a medical/nursing assistant can learn a few basics in 6 months and be ready for field experience training that, after another six months, would leave her as well trained as she's ever going to be.

*I'm not talking about skilled trades, like plumbing, carpentry, being an electrician or the like, that do require a long apprenticeship and relatively high IQ.

R125, SCAD now takes every student who applies. The vast majority of students come from money and mediocre talent, if any.

It’s almost impossible for them to keep the faculty they have because they run the school like a gulag. Now they’re focusing on recruiting foreign students, especially Chinese, by promising them employment in America after graduation. Which of course they can’t.

But it’s the perfect example of universities that produce graduates who have no discernible skills, and almost no experience in their chosen major.

I was not impressed with the students at Harvard, too full of themselves. One even had purple contact lenses and bragged he already had a job at a big New York law firm. The kids at MIT were cool as hell, friendly and curious.

You're a spaz, R137.

You're a spaz shamer, R138

My alma mater, UNLV. Super-skanky.

Elan College in North Carolina

I visited Savannah last spring. SCAD has bought up many of the older buildings and made them part of their campus.

I met a visiting SACD student at RISD. He was talentless, very cute, charming and a shameless and skilled fuckboy. I visited Savannah and his crowd were all charming, pretty and as dumb as their hairdos were sexy.

Hairdos were sexy?? What does that mean?

The Ohio State University sucks. Penn State = child molesters.

Villanova isn't trashy exactly but its basketball culture and advertising is.

SMU= rich texas trash

SMU is Texas Tech with money.

Hamburger University

I am surprised by the NYU comments. I never cared for the university or its student body, but I wouldn't consider it "trashy" or to have a bad reputation. I went to Fordham, and always got the impression that our student body was considered a part of the bottom-barrel of NYC universities, but maybe it wasn't as bad as I thought.

Yeah and Villanova and SMU are not trashy, even if I do t like them. Nor is Fordham. Pace is probably the trashy NYC school.

Come to think of it, I do remember hearing bad things about St. John's University in Queens. It's also Catholic, but not Jesuit like Fordham, so it doesn't have the same academic prestige. I met someone who went there and he told me that you could be nearly illiterate and get in.

Most of the schools named in this thread are not 'trashy.'

I wouldn’t say St Johns is trashy either. Fordham is better - and more national. But St Johns is a solid school for NY and Long Island kids to get a practical degree and job.

This thread combined with other threads, it seems all US universities are "trashy". What schools are good? You may think Pepperdine and NYU are "trashy" but I'm sure some hard working kid with two jobs going to community college would be glad to go. I'm sure a lot of you can't relate to that.

University of Phoenix. C’mon, it’s so bad it’s a common punchline.

USC

USC

USC has trashy roots, but over the past 25 years, it's maneuvered itself into the upper echelon of schools--it's consistently in the top 30 universities. NYU's done something similar, though NYU was never a major Greek life/football-uber-alles school the way USC was.

NYU, more recently, has had the distinction of saddling its grads with the most debt, which, I suppose, is a bit trashy in and of itself.

Hudson University. Hotbed of murder, rape, and drugs.

Ditto on USC. I live in LA and every single person I have ever met that graduated from that school has always over sold their ability and under preformed on the job. Every single one so far has had egos as big at the Cheeto. They were busted 25 years ago for letting students basically taking bribes for good grads and low and behold, they are caught up in this same thing today. It's a school for rich entitled spawn who have no talent or skill, buy their way through life so they can brag about how they are highly educated.

Anyone who believes USC is one of the nations premier universities is a dumb cunt. Most ordinary state colleges would provide a better education with real academic standards and much better value.

USC is one of the most sought-after admittances to obtain and one of the most difficult to get. They were involved in the bribery scandal, yes, but so was Yale. There are bad apples everywhere. To say NYU, USC, Pepperdine and these other places are 'trashy' is simply ludicrous.

Just because rich trashy people really want to go to the "IN" school for rich trashy people does not make a place like USC suddenly a quality education. Get real. The only factor they have is "selectivity".

This thread is interesting in that it makes me wonder. What the hell does it mean to be a "good school?" It seems nowadays it's just mostly public relations and marketing.

I went to Brown when it was briefly 1st, 2nd or 3rd most selective school in the country. How that happened was it became very fashionable and a shit ton of glamorpusses applied so the percent accepted fell very low. That did NOT make Brown the highest quality education, suddenly. USC has played this game for 2 decades. It is HIGHLY SELECTIVE which means a lot of rich twats apply so few can get in. You'd be better off at UC Santa Cruz or UCLA, for quality. For genius student body - why not MIT or CalTech.

Here are the selective rates for 2019. The top slots dance around every few years - look! - Columbia is IN now, more "selective" than Yale and Princeton! And look at University of Chicago.

USC has some good grad schools, lots of connections and its film school is no. 1 more often than not. It built up its reputation because it started offering some very generous merit scholarships to pull in students and because LA has had a huge influx of Asian students who don't want to leave California. USC has gotten more serious in spite of itself.

Has anyone mentioned Oral-Anal Roberts University?

Fordham University, Donald Trump's proud school

That fugtastic one at the top of a mountain somewhere. Lots of scheming and incest.

Trump had his daddy pay his way into U Penn after a year or two at Fordham because he thought he was too smart for it--in reality, I doubt he could pass a freshman-level class at Fordham. While it isn't as prestigious as Columbia or NYU, Fordham is not a school for idiots.

Are any of the seven sister schools or small liberal arts schools any good? The daughter of a friend has her heart set on going to one of those schools but they're so expensive.

Vassar and Smith. If you're nasty.

Barnard's excellent, plus it give you a degree from and access to Columbia across the street.

I'm afraid Fordham's reputation is forever besmirched.

Trump's Penn transcripts are probably more telling. Fordham only has his early college ones and call me naive but I'm guessing they must have been at least ok to get into Penn even if father paid. But once you get into the Ivy league they pretty much make sure you graduate so their statistics aren't affected.

[quote]USC is one of the most sought-after admittances to obtain and one of the most difficult to get. They were involved in the bribery scandal, yes, but

But, but, but, my ass. It's not the first bribery scandal USC has been known for. This latest even is part of a pattern that goes back decades. Rich people have been buying their kids a degree there for decades.

ok r178, have it your way! You're right and we're all wrong! You're so hell bent in convincing everyone that USC is 'trashy' it's obvious you have an axe to grind.

To the poster above. All the 7 sisters colleges are financially healthy and good schools. They have "need blind" (or almost) admissions -- and if your friend's daughter manages to get in, she may be pleased by the generous financial help that is given. Only the RICH have to pay the high tuition costs. All small liberal arts schools that have need blind are good. They are good value IF AND ONLY IF, the school overs a very generous financial assistance and the poor or middle class student is not going to graduate with huge debt. The mistake is going to an expensive school, NOT having the cash, NOT being offered full tuition scholarships, and taking loans. It's as simple as that.

With a few very well-endowed exceptions (Princeton is hung), need-blind isn't as need-blind as it used to be. Colleges have gotten so expensive that a lot of financial aid is now going to middle-class kids--so, instead of paying $75,000 a year, they're paying $50,000. Kids who need a full ride are getting in as easily as they did before the 2008 meltdown and dumb, rich kids with decent SATS (i.e. their parents sprung for the prep courses, repeat takings and,increasingly, get diagnoses for their kids that allow them double time for test taking) have an easier time--particularly guys, since more girls than boys are applying for college. Though, that's not an issue with the seven sisters.

There aren't really seven sisters anymore--Radcliffe doesn't really have an existence independent of Harvard--so Wellesley, Smith, Vassar, Bryn Mawr, Barnard and Mt. Holyoke. Mt. Holyoke's the easiest to get into. This year, Barnard was the hardest, but New York schools are popular in general right now.

[quote]You're right and we're all wrong! You're so hell bent in convincing everyone that USC is 'trashy' it's obvious you have an axe to grind

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no "we" here I am going against. "WE" all agree except for you it seems that USC has a trashy reputation. If you want a real degree based on merit that is.

Boulder University in Colorado. Just chock full of hoes.

[quote] USC is one of the most sought-after admittances to obtain and one of the most difficult to get.

We know you think that, Ms. Loughlin. But the rest of us think it's a joke.

I'm now in LA and had little knowledge of USC before arriving here years ago.

But there are numerous scandals that have rocked the university since I've arrived: the payouts for rich students apparently has been going on a LONG time, yet there are professors doing drugs with questionable characters in hotel rooms and staff gynaecologists sexually assaulting and raping students. Apparently USC was aware of some of the details and actively hiding these situations.

The USC provost (who had raised more $$$$ for the school than any other in The States) had to step down when these situations were revealed in the public sphere.

It may be an expensive school, but most of those in academia are well-aware that USC's genuine reputation is that of artifice and scandal.

I’m a (gay male) fan of Seven Sister schools. Easier to get into than other because of the smaller applicant pool. But a great education - and possibly good financial aid. Though I agree, all LAC have to be a little less “need-blind” nowadays. Crazy that the harder the school is to get into - and therefore more biased towards rich kids who have been trained and tutored since birth for the college application process - also have the best financial aid. If a poor kid can get in, those schools are a free ride.

U$C is trash, just because some rich people pay there way to get in there does not change that. Money can’t buy class! It’s also located in the ghetto!

USC

University of Pittsburgh Carnegie Mellon University

CMU is trashy? I thought it was filled with strivers.

Yea, it's ironic USC is such an expensive school and like R187 said, it's located in a Ghetto. Lets just say, even if you could find street parking, chances are you might not be happy with what you see done to your car by the time you come back. That is if its even still there.

Sure, but there are a lot of great schools in dicey neighborhoods. University of Chicago and Yale come to mind.

Columbia

Yeah, the private school's in a trashy area and the public school (UCLA) is up in Westwood. UCLA also has a much better looking campus.

Carnegie-Mellon isn't trashy. It's one of the top engineering schools--right up there with Stanford and MIT for Silicon Valley recruiters--and also known for its outstanding theatre conservatory. R190 is right--striver central. It's a bit like University of Chicago--serious student mecca, but not for anyone who wants a social life.

R192 Not implying that Fordham is anywhere near as good as U of Chicago or Yale, but it does share the "dicey neighborhood" thing as well—the Belmont section of the Bronx where the campus is has a reputation for being crime-ridden. I believe it's gotten better in recent years, but when I was there, there were near-weekly emails sent out to students about another robbery or break-in off campus. I recall a freshman girl getting knocked out and having her iPhone stolen on Fordham Road.

Satan's School for Girls

Western Governors University. I had never heard of it until I was offered a job there. I looked into it, and while it's "non-profit," it's obviously a diploma mill, and it has an awful rep. I turned the job down.

Many universities create cash cow satellites in foreign countries. They are diploma mills to boot.

R186 My sister went to Smith (2003-2007) for that reason. She's extremely bright, but we grew up in a chaotic and abusive home, so neither of us succeeded academically until college. I got into a good school (Notre Dame, 2001-2005) because I was an athlete.

R198 My alma matter, Notre Dame does that. They, like a lot of top schools, also have an "executive MBA" that costs a fortune. Tyra Banks got such a "degree" at Harvard Business School.

In Canada:

York University (sexual assaults, frequent strikes by faculty, anti-Semitic sentiments by a surprisingly large chunk of the student body, low academic standards.

R170 and R176, Fordham cannot release transcripts to anyone without the permission of the student or alumnus/alumna.

You can get a first-rate education at many American universities (private and state), if you do the work. Where you go to graduate school is more important than your undergraduate education.

Then again, I have a relative who decided to go to law school in her thirties. She went to a law school popularly known as "Sun Tan U." She now has a successful law practice. A Harvard, Stanford, or Yale law degree may guarantee you a partnership in a major firm on the coasts or the start of a political career, but if you just want to establish a lucrative career, you may not need the cache of a top tier school.

R202 is right. Fordham cannot legally release something like that--academic transcripts are confidential documents. I went to grad school at Fordham and was finishing there when Trump was elected, and I know from firsthand experience that the fact he attended is not something they are keen to publicize. I also recall him saying that he thought it was "too easy" there, hence the transfer to Penn, although I find that hard to believe--Fordham is Jesuit and fairly academically rigorous, so if you can't hack it there, you probably can't hack it at Penn either. I frankly can't imagine Trump being scholarly in any capacity. My instincts tell me he'd struggle to get through community college.

Trump University here, what am I? Chopped Liver?

RTFT r204.

My friend's daughter wants to go to Bryn Mawr. It's small, good and quiet.

Bryn Mawr is a little better than the other 7 Sisters because of their co-sharing with Haverford they can live either place - and hence have access to men if they so desire. As well as classes at Swarthmore - though it’s a little farther. Great education and beautiful place.

Thanks r207

Barnard and Columbia don't share classes?

I never think of Barnard or Radcliffe as 7 Sisters - though they are. Maybe because they were always integrated into Harvard/Columbia. The others are more isolated physically.

Barnard's a seven sister. It still has its own tiny campus across the street from Columbia. Radcliffe, on the other hand, doesn't exist anymore.

I suppose they could adopt Sarah Lawrence, Simmons or Bennington.

Incredibly, Wells College is still around. It has almost no endowment.

Barnard is a slightly easier back door into Columbia—their admissions standards are high, but they're less stringent than Columbia's. At the end of the day, though, it's still a Columbia degree.

Barnard is most certainly not a "Columbia degree" R213. They may share space and are affiliated, but it's a separate institution. Barnard students can take courses at Columbia, but at the end of the day, it's a different brand of college and a different kind of degree.

Sorry apparently the diploma says Barnard of Columbia University. It's a Columbia degree.

Any and all schools in the SEC.

Doesn't matter, R215. It is affiliated, but technically separate and not a subsidiary college. You can't get a degree from Barnard and say you went to Columbia.

I suspect you may be wrong. Could we see a picture of an authentic recent Barnard diploma? I have no skin in this game as I have diplomas from other Ivies.

R218, it is confusing because the institutions are "affiliated" in a way that is an anomaly in U.S. higher ed., but at the end of the day, a Barnard degree ≠ a Columbia degree. Barnard was cornered into "affiliating" with Columbia after Columbia began admitting women, but there is still a line of demarcation there. I got my graduate degree at the measly, non-Ivy Fordham, and knew several people in my cohort who went to Columbia for undergrad. Barnard has its own president, board of trustees, and infrastructure. It is not considered an Ivy.

[quote]I suppose they could adopt Sarah Lawrence, Simmons or Bennington.

We're available!

I met a nice looking guy from India whe went to The New Jersey Institute of technology or NJIT he said the local cops told them to drive slowly thru stop signs and red lights at night for safety, not to stop! He said they referred to it as next June I’ll transfer.

My niece went to Barnard--she very much considers herself a Barnard graduate and the girls I've known who've applied there see themselves as applying to Barnard. Though, yes, at the end of the day, the degree is from Barnard College at Columbia University. And with the insanely low admission rates for the Ivies, the backdoor to Columbia has become more of a thing. The admissions rate for Columbia proper is around 7 percent, while Barnard was around 17 percent--though last year Barnard was flooded with early admission applicants, so the percentage may have dropped.

The New York schools are popular--NYU, which was kind of B-student/rich kid central when I was in school, had an admit rate around 17 percent last year. The year before it was 28 percent. Meanwhile, schools in rural areas are struggling to fill classes.