NFL free agent Ryan Russel comes out as bisexual

That couple pic is awful.

I hope he deals with it all better than the Sam guy. He said that he writes. Maybe he could collaborate with Lena Waithe/Issa Rae or somebody to get a scripted TV show going based on his experiences.

Seriously, based on that video, no one can tell me that anyone he knows was shocked.

Bi? Nope.

Cute

He's quite nice looking.

Has he been picked up by any NFL team this season or does “free agent” here stand for retired?

People on DL have some of the most ignorant perceptions about bisexuality of anyone on the planet.

[Quote] People on DL have some of the most ignorant perceptions about bisexuality of anyone on the planet.

Take a gander at LSA sometime.

[QUOTE]Has he been picked up by any NFL team this season or does “free agent” here stand for retired?

He’ll never play in the NFL again after this.

“Bi” is just a stop on the bus to Homotown.

Seems to be a pattern with these athlete coming out stories: "former" player; bi but not "gay"; black with a white boyfriend.

Two instances is a pattern?

Well Most athletes in sports people care about are black

I'm always puzzled when people feel some type of way about a black gay guy dating a white gay guy. In the US, black people make up something like 15% of the population. If you're gay on top of that... there are more white gays than black. It's not necessarily some self hating ish.

Good for him

Hot masc with a cute face, his boyfriend on the other hand gross, he could do better, way better. Every time his boyfriend opens his mouth I see rainbows and unicorns with gucci purses.

And of course he has a white boyfriend - like all black gays desperate for white meat.

90% gay and 10% lesbian

Was he on our radar, previously, like Odell Beckham?

r20 he's a nobody (for the moment) so no

Out for a stroll.

Putting on a show with the hand holding.......

Kinda doesn't have the same impact when it's because he was going to be outed by a blogger. I guess these are early days, I don't think we are anywhere near gays being accepted in certain sports.

That pic at R22 is very sexy to me. That couple must have great sex. Hot little bottom boy. Good for him. Hope he stays focused on career. Too many gays lose themselves in being out and gay and forget that the other mainstream things in life are possibly more important than living the gay life.

He's a big one. 6'5" and about 270. Nice.

[quote]That pic at [R22] is very sexy to me. That couple must have great sex. Hot little bottom boy.

MMPH... I'd put money on Ryan being the total bottom. Big things come in small packages, ya know...

Watching Hard Knocks on HBO, it strikes me about how important it is for football players to mesh with the culture of the team. These guys bond with each other in a way that is reminiscent of a fraternity or the military. It’s not just the locker room, it’s also the clubhouse where they bond. Openly gay or bi players must be comfortable and naturally fit into this ultra masculine environment.

R28 - think that’s why there are so few out players and why it can be tough to continue for the ones who do come out. But the military figured it out - so pro sports should be able to also.

True, the military is a good model to follow as are some fraternities. There needs to be a paradigm change that recognizes that gay and bi men can be just as athletic, just as physically tough, just as Alpha as heterosexual men. The seven openly bi and gay men playing college football are gradually paving the way for gay/bi NFL players.

They look happy. Good for them.

That picture will piss off so many black women. Decent looking bisexual/gay man with a white dude.

I love these bi-sexual soft introductions. Why do they always seem to end up with same sex lovers? Funny how that works. Maybe he meant he's 100% gay but only has sex with men bi-weekly.

Bisexual men in relationships with women don't tend to come out... when they're with women.

*PUKE*

He's only 27 and he maybe calling himself bisexual because of his family.

[quote]That picture will piss off so many black women. Decent looking bisexual/gay man with a white dude.

It's not the Black women who are unhappy, but the Black queens are quite disturbed and highly displeased;

-I’m starting to feel like the whole black men dating white women in favor of black women also applies to gay men cause....................................yeah.

-All these black guys who come out as either bi or gay are dating white guys?

-So a black NFL player just came out as an openly bisexual man, reveals his relationship on Instagram, and his man is white. Do black gay/bisexual men with money, power, or celebrity status date black AT ALL? Genuinely curious, because the answer seems to be no.

-Having the white partner ruined the entire moment.

- Ahmad K. Khan, PhD @AhmadKhalilDC: Wanted to be excited that Ryan Russell came out as bisexual. As a proud Black, East Asian, and Caribbean bi dude I was happy that another person of color had broken down that wall but alas, you guessed it, his partner is white. This shit is sick and an epidemic at this point. 🤮

-These NFL players are really something. I went to look up Ryan Russell and guess what? His boyfriend is white

-I have no problem with Ryan Russell being bi but he wild for being with a white man

-Of course Ryan Russell dates white men 🙄

-If another Black man comes out as gay or bisexual and dating a white man, I’m going to be so... not surprised.

-Is that any gay black pop stars who aren’t dating white men?

Unfortunately for him, "free" agent now means that, literally. He's free. No team will want him, and no one will pay for him.

r22 The bf looks bored.

Ryan is hot. The boyfriend is less so. Good for them though.

Why would someone who's mixed be pressed about a white guy with a black guy? You're the product of team swirl, dude.

AhmadKhalilDC “PhD” is mad it ain’t him.

Why can't black men or women have a preference just like white guys or women can? Plenty of white people only like dating blacks and vice versa. Why are black women so insecure?

R41. it's all rooted in racism. The house negro vs the field negro. The light skinned black versus the darker complexioned black. "Whie is right" On and on...

Most bi men end up in opposite sex marriages.

He’s not bi.

[quote]Why can't black men or women have a preference just like white guys or women can?

Because it hits at the roots of not being wanted and or not being good enough.

[Quote] it's all rooted in racism. The house negro vs the field negro. The light skinned black versus the darker complexioned black. "Whie is right" On and on...

I understand the colorism aspect, I'm just surprised that someone who makes a point of saying they're part East Asian would be so bothered.

Are people complaining about this guy forgetting Kerry Rhodes and Mantasia? There was even talk that Mantasia might have sampled Mehcad Brooks as well.

[quote] Most bi men end up in opposite sex marriages.

No, only the ones trying to pass for straight. And they're in the minority. The 'bi' label for the vast majority of them is just their crutch.

[quote]I understand the colorism aspect, I'm just surprised that someone who makes a point of saying they're part East Asian would be so bothered.

LOL! Because there is a part of him that is ashamed of being black. So, he points out all of the different composites of himself. I had a friend who had a grandfather that said something to that was very funny but sadly/unfortunately had some truth to it. He said; "Nobody wants to be the nig@er..."

Well... Dr. Khan is cute. He even has an onlyfans account. I wonder what's that all about. Alas, but even will all of that and even the doctor's degree he is nothing more than a nig... neg.. col... (sigh) He's a painted man....

Are many of getting how deep this all runs?

Oh!

Goodness!

How did Dr. Khan enter the picture? Is he one of the commenters?

What this is about too is the "come up." You have those men who want to be taken care of--and, I don't mean that in a bad way, and appear on next season's new reality show "NFL Husbands"

Does anyone remember the show the "A-List?" If so, do you remember that one of the husbands was a very wealthy Black guy, but his husband was.... white! There's just LOTS of dynamics that go with this.

[Quote] Ahmad K. Khan, PhD ‏ @AhmadKhalilDC Jealous, absolutely not. The word for me would perhaps be covetous and yes I have felt that before.

I feel like he was wielding fan as he typed that out with one hand.

*wielding a fan

More!

[Quote] Ahmad K. Khan, PhD ‏ @AhmadKhalilDC Aug 30 Dating outside of your race is not common practice amongst black LGBT people although of course it does happen. You aren’t going to convince me that every out black “celebrity” from RuPaul to Ryan Russell just so happens to be with someone non-black and it’s purely coincidence.

Is there statistical support for this claim?

Some people just have to make everything about race.

[quote]Some people just have to make everything about race.

Well, for MANY minorities it IS all about race R61 because they have to deal with it on a daily basis.

[Quote] Ahmad K. Khan, PhD Retweeted Ahmad K. Khan, PhD ‏ @AhmadKhalilDC Aug 30 Black is not only beautiful, it’s desirable.

But policing (and pseduo "diagnosing") strangers ain't.

*pseudo

What bizarre posts from this Ahmed guy. He's not black, why is he so invested in the fact that some black guy he doesn't know is dating a white guy?

Besides, the odds are close to 90% that both Russel and Ahmed will end up in opposite sex relationships anyway (source: recent Pew study).

OOPS! @R56

I meant "A-List NYC"

The black husband is LOADED (financially successful)

Can you see how many subscribers someone has on onlyfans?

[quote] He's not black, why is he so invested in...

He's not black? How are you defining what's black and what isn't, R65?

r68, he's biracial, black and east Indian (mix most commonly found in Trinidad and Tobago or Guyana in the Caribbean). A biracial person is not black, they are biracial. Just like a bisexual person is not gay, they are bisexual.

LOL! R69, most black people are biracial.

Look... I'll bet you $1000. If he was walking down the street very few--if any, would point him out as a biracial man. A black man, yes.

Who is the queen at r37? He looks like he just bought that blouse from The EJ Johnson Collection on QVC...

Why are we supposed to care what some completely random person like Ahmad Khan, Ph.D., feels about this relationship? it's not like he knows them nor he is famous himself. Who gives a shit how he feels about it?

r72

He has an OnlyFans!? He's a celebrity in gaydom, 2019.

Derek J, R71

Derek J hasn't commented on the situation, has he?

Who?

More money down on the Jolly Green Giant being a total bottom.

[quote]Ryan is hot. The boyfriend is less so. Good for them though.

His reasoning is: "well, at least he's white". So disappointing. That white boy will be his downfall just like Michael Sam.

An overwhelming majority of black people prefer to date other black people. But the disproportionately high incidences of famous, visible blacks dating outside a race is only not a coincidence, but reveals the person a self-hating type of n... person. Hence the hate. He'll get zero support from the black community from now on. He will not only get zero support from the black community going forward, his coming out will also have no effect on the community as he'll be dismissed by many because of his choice of partner.

Corey O'Brien, Ryan Russell's Boyfriend: 5 Fast Facts | Heavy.com

[Quote] But the disproportionately high incidences of famous, visible blacks dating outside a race

What sample size are we talking here?

R69 is one of those racial purists from LSA who don't know that all black Americans are descended from white people and that pure black people exist only in Africa. You're black if you physically manifest as black, simple.

There's a thread on LSA that posts pics of black athletes married to black women. It doesn't get the traffic that the threads about black athletes dating out do... Funny that.

There have been studies, including one by pew center research, but focusing on heterosexual relationships r81. The days of a white partner being seen as status symbol due to inferiority are gone. Now you'll just have other blacks look down on you.

[Quote] There have been studies, including one by pew center research, but focusing on heterosexual relationships [R81].

So not the same group as being discussed - black LGBT elites.

I wonder if Mr Khan has ever commented on Jussie Smollett. I don't know if Smollett is dating him now - Jussie got into a bit of bother, I believe - but his boyfriend was a DS high flying type. I hope those two were celebrated by those against dating the oppressor.

Some black gays are so fucking bitter that is depressing, that's why nobody wants to date yall.

Tyler Perry also favors men of color, according to auditionees...

Wold Tyler be supported by the community if he brought one of his guys to the red carpet?

Hmm... a lot to unpack there, R79. I'm not disagreeing with you but would like to add on;

[quote]An overwhelming majority of black people prefer to date other black people.

Is a reason that this exist is because black people are taught directly/indirectly to not trust white people? For the longest in this country it could mean a matter of life and death!

[quote]But the disproportionately high incidences of famous, visible blacks dating outside a race is only not a coincidence, but reveals the person a self-hating type of n... person.

I agree. But, it could also mean security, acceptance by society as whole, or the acquisition of a trophy. I recall a quote by Lena Horne explaining why she married her white husband. She did eventually love him but she was straight up and admitted that she married him for security and acceptance.

[quote]He'll get zero support from the black community from now on.

Would he have ever? Still to this very day, homosexuality exists in other communities but NEVER in the Black community (LOL!) This is just another reason why blacks will date whites (or other ethnicities) We're not fully accepted within our own race.

[quote] his coming out will also have no effect on the community as he'll be dismissed by many because of his choice of partner.

Of course not. Refer to R37. He's giving the money to the white man.

[quote] The days of a white partner being seen as status symbol due to inferiority are gone.

Ha! Really? I'd say that it is changing but it definitely isn't gone!

It's strange the way things continue to be modelled on heterosexuals - as if we're talking about generational wealth. How many of these swirl elites even have kids?!

Tyler Perry knows how homophobic black women are so he wont' be coming out anytime soon. They ain't stupid they know he's a poofter, they just don't want him to say it.

Black people are also very homophobic so it's understandable he prefers white men.

The daily mail story said a blogger tried to out him two year ago. My bet is on Perez Hilton

[quote]Some black gays are so fucking bitter that is depressing, that's why nobody wants to date yall.

Maybe that's because there have been a few hundred years of oppression that has caused the depression that exists to this very day?

[quote]More money down on the Jolly Green Giant being a total bottom.

Sorry but that white guy he's with doesn't look like he could top a sundae, let alone another man. I can't imagine Ryan is not the top in that relationship.

And does "withdrawing support" for Ryan achieve anything?

Anyway, Kerry Washington and Russell Wilson "came home", all was forgiven. Ryan can do the same.

We all deal with shit, gays are being killed right now in Russia. You gotta shake it off and try to move on.

[quote]We all deal with shit, gays are being killed right now in Russia.

Gays have only been killed in Russia for a few days. Black people (in this country) have been terrorized and oppressed for nearly 300 (or more) years. Excuse us if we need a longer moment to shake it off.

r98 Honey you guys are killing yourself these days, leave us out of it.

Whereas gay relationships were completely accepted up until the 2016 election?

Anyway, more power to Russel, here's hoping an NFL team picks him up.

It would be one thing is this were a discussion about dating and men of color. But it's not. It's about celebrities, 1%ers. Pointless, really.

[quote]Tyler Perry knows how homophobic black women are so he wont' be coming out anytime soon.

The Luther Vandross syndrome....

Well... someone name a Black "power" couple?

Don Lemon? Oh... no, not him. He LOVES vanilla ice cream

Maybe, Shaun T? Oh, no.... that's right...

Surely Billy Porter? Hmm... nuh-uh

Ru Paul! Nope

Jonathan Capehart? LOL!

LEE DANIELS! Nope.

LZ Granderson? Nope

C'mon! There has to be one Black gay male couple who are a power/force in their sector. Can anyone name one?

r103 Those are all effeminate black queens, if I was a black man I'd be relieved they're dating white.

r103 As George Lopez said, they wanted to be homeowners.

Jussie and bf Tawan Davis.

White guys are freakier in the sack and are more compliant as boyfriends.

Jamal Sims, who choreographed the ALADDIN movie remake, and husband Octavius Terry.

I was trying to look for that pic of Luther and his cashmere walls. I couldn't find it but I found this tweet instead.

[Quote] Luther Vandross had me over to his new house he’d just designed in Ct. The living room walls were cashmere. Cash-fucking-mere. So, naturally, I lift my hand to touch it and he screams, “RICHARD MARX DON’T YOU DARE PUT YOUR NASTY HANDS ON MY CASHMERE WALLS!!!” #truestory

[quote]Anyway, Kerry Washington and Russell Wilson "came home", all was forgiven. Ryan can do the same.

It REALLY depends. A black person that steps on the black community toes is usually banished and never heard from again. Just look at that gal, Chrisette Michele, who sang at Trump's inaugural for that check. The people told her; "Sis, you DON'T want to do this." But, she felt that Hermès purse had her name on it and she went ahead and did the gig. Uh-huh... she's been crying ever since.

OJ Simpson hasn't been welcomed back with open arms. Don't think that because we helped him get off that he was welcomed back at the Bar-B-Q.

I'm telling you that there is just a WHOLE lot of mess wrapped up in all of this! Mess that go back generations upon generations!

[quote][R103] As George Lopez said, they wanted to be homeowners.

LOL!

I bet the ones complaining about this are the blacks that are always desperately chasing white dick on Grindr.

They’re not mad this guy is dating a white guy, they’re mad that they can’t find even an ugly white who will date them.

And lol at the general “black community” not supporting him because he has a white bf. Even if his bf was black, the general “black community” wouldn’t support a gay black man either.

[quote] bet the ones complaining about this are the blacks that are always desperately chasing white dick on Grindr.

I highly doubt that.

I can’t un-see that thing at R74.

Jussie is many things, but ashamed of being black isn't one of them. Virtually all of his friendships and associations are black. This especially given his dad is white.

There's much truth in what you wrote R112. But, it goes much deeper. The following are brush strokes, but who doesn't want the white man? But, there are many who don't want black and that just further feeds into that inferiority complex. Now, what's interesting too, is that many blacks don't feel that other minorities go through this too ie Asian, Latino. These people DO NOT consider themselves as white and will talk about the prejudices and racism that they face too. But, many blacks will view these people as white. It's all about the colorism.

R114, why doubt! It’s a common truth those who try to sound holier than though usually are hiding a secret. The lashing out is due to jealousy usually.

I went to HS with this super liberal fat queer black man. He was always giving a speech about how evil white men (especially gay ones) are, and he’d also give lectures about the evils of capitalism. Anyway fast forward 10 years into the future, he landed an amazing job and started making over 100k. After that he became obsessed with capitalism and dating white boys. I wouldn’t be surprised if his super liberal ass eventually becomes a republican too.

He bashes the popular kids cause they didn’t want him but once they did, he ditched it all to sit at the cool kids table.

People who go out of their ways to protest others sex life are always hiding some secret.

[quote]I can’t un-see that thing at [R74].

Well honey, you had better recognize!

Aw... and, now he is accepted, right R117? What a Cinderfella story!

Whatever. DL is REALLY not an affable forum to discuss race issues even with a gay connection. These old queens are just DONE with hearing about race. They simply CANNOT go another day HEARING or READING about it!! It's EXHAUSTING for them. Poor babies.

ANYWAY...

The photo at R80 is ridiculous and I don't care what race they are.

I don't know about that, R120. In my opinion, these are discussions which needed to be had. While many don't feel as I do, I feel that race relations have actually improved in the USA and that is because the younger kids couldn't care less (they weren't reared with all of the baggage), and also because these type of conversations are beginning to come out from the darkness.

R122, there are plenty of racist and bigoted Youth people still today, as trending story after trending story attests.

I think some of you place too much meaning on race in this instance. Dating is complicated and, yes, it's driven by attraction, but quite frankly the things you have in common and the way that person makes you feel plays a bigger role than anything else - even attraction. Black people who get upset when a famous black person dates outside of their race are just as silly and racist as the white people who do it. No one should ever be put on trial and forced to defend who they want to be with.

Whoa... let's put a handle on that, Helen.

First of all, Blacks in the USA can't be racists. Can they be bigots? ABSOLUTELY! But racism and bigotry are two different things. Black people in no way control all of the institutions of these here United States and cannot systematically discriminate against any other race.

Although, I do see your point, unfortunately this "All we are saying is give peace a chance" type of attitude will not happen overnight. Again... there are generations upon generations and hundreds upon hundreds of years all wrapped up in all of this stuff. HECK! Slavery is ONLY 3-4 generations out. There are some of our grandparents (who are still living) that KNEW their grandparents personally and also knew that they were born in slavery, etc.

Is it getting better? YES! But, we still have a long road ahead of us. Each generation gets better. Of course there are still racists and bigots today, R122. Those who are in power ain't gonna give up the ghost without vigilantly and aggressively trying to maintain control. But, the numbers are getting smaller. The recruits are becoming less and less. Eventually, (and we might not live to see it), it will go away.

You're right, R123. A person should never have to be put on trial and forced to defend who they want to be with. But, it's a reality. People (minorities) are with others and may not consciously realize why they are with them. It could be genuine love. Or.... How would you have liked to have been Lena Horne's white husband and learn that she did not marry you for love, (although she learned to love him), but married you for security and acceptance into the white world?

Didn't Lena like the ladies, though?

I want to write something about Venus Xtravaganza and refrigerators but I don't have the energy.

Take your time, R125.

[quote]Take your time, [R125].

I thought today was Monday... (LOL! Wink...)

Has BlackBusinessWoman commented yet?

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It's the white man's world (nobody said it so I had to say it).

Ugly hair takes away any potential Hotness.

I don't know I'm side-eyeing everything this Ryan Russell is doing. Every pic he takes with his boyfriend looks like they're trying to make a statement.

r132, have you seen the conspiracy theories floating around? One is that he is actually bi, but is way more into women. The whole 'boyfriend' angle is to get fame (for both of them) and use the publicity to force the hand of one of the NFL teams to hire him. Once he has the job he can then go back to publicly dating women without backlash because he came out as bi to begin with. No idea if any of this is true.

Sounds like a lie ⤴️

Sounds like a lie ⤴️

He's a snow queen. What a shock. 🤨

[quote]The whole 'boyfriend' angle is to get fame (for both of them) and use the publicity to force the hand of one of the NFL teams to hire him

That doesn't make any sense. No one has to hire you because you are gay, bi, black, Asian, etc.

I can't think of one famous black gay guy who dates another black guy and I also can't think of 1 famous gay white male who dates a black gay male. Oh wait, Denis O'Hare is the only Is the only famous gay white male who has a black partner.

If you guys can think of any others I would be glad to know because I seriously don't think there are any others. It's internalized racism

The....

Corey & Russ

YouTube Channel!

There is no way in hell that white boy tops anything.

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Bless your heart, R141, if you truly bought into that press stunt.

r138

Jussie Smollett has already been namechecked in this thread.

[quote]There is no way in hell that white boy tops anything.

Oh, gosh.... Another Pandora's box is opened. Not only is the snow child getting the money, (or, the potential of it), he's getting that Mandingo, bull stud, dick too!

I'm telling you! The Black queens are VERY unpleased by all of this!

r9: This thread and plenty of other threads shows a lot of DL commenters are just as bad as a lot of the posters over there. Both groups are obsessed with race, love making ridiculous generalizations about large swaths of the population, wildly hypocritical, miserable, and high off your own supposed greatness. You have more common than you'd like to aknowledge.

, And such archaic broad generalizations and stereotypical notions are a sure sign that one is ignorant and rather bigoted

R144 I mean black fems are at the bottom of the bottom dating barrel even below fem bottom gaysians, possibly?

I mean, one of the biggest allures of black men is the hypermasculinity and big dick. Feminine black men has no market.

[quote][R144] I mean black fems are at the bottom of the bottom dating barrel even below fem bottom gaysians, possibly?

I don't know, R147. As the "Noah's Arc" Alex character said; "A lot of black gay men love their men with a little sugar in the tank."

Whatever happened to these guys?

It doesn't matter what your own race is or whether you have an OnlyFans page: choosing whom someone else can date or marry based on their race, gender, sexuality, orientation, or religion is deeply offensive... and also pointless.

We are free to love whomever we choose. If you don't like it, go fuck yourself.

The light skin dude is suspected to be straight, the dark one tried some stuff but failed. All the actors at Noah's Ark were terrible.

[quote]I mean, one of the biggest allures of black men is the hypermasculinity and big dick.

Why do you think the black queens are so upset?

[quote]All the actors at Noah's Ark were terrible.

I'm no expert. All I know is I like what I like. I enjoyed the series and its characters. I do miss it. Sometimes I'll go on YouTube and find a favorite episode that I liked and watch it again. In my opinion, the show was groundbreaking and there hasn't been anything similar since it went off of the air.

R149 fantasy of the mind of one of their kind

r153 the show was groudbreaking but the actors were terrible because no established actor would risk their career playing that show, specially black men, so they had to go with the people available.

The two may have a real relationship but they probably went public with their coupling in order to get their names on the map. I read somewhere that Russell wants to be a writer and the snow bunny is a cruise ship dancer. I've never heard of either of them before (note: that doesn't mean anything) but now that their names are out in the public they will get interviews, Google listings, and maybe better job opportunities for their chosen fields. Football doesn't last forever and this guy might go the way of Michael Sam. However, if he has some writing talent maybe someone might give him a job because of all of this. Snow bunny might get better dancing offers. We shall see...

They think dancing with the stars will come a calling.

Well, someone had to do it, R155. Yep. The show had some issues but overall I enjoyed, and still enjoy, it. I'm a bit sad that most of those involved with it couldn't build upon it--even Patrick Ian Polk. I've seen two others of his films; "The Skinny" (which starred Jussie Smollet) and "Blackbird" (which starred Mo'Nique) I thoroughly enjoyed those too. I found both of the films engaging and the writing was okay. I guess these people can't get anywhere because I didn't pay to see them. LOL! I saw them for free on YouTube. OH! I actually did go to the movies and paid to see the Noah's Arc movie "Jumping The Broom" I liked that too.

Maybe this Russell guy wants to write stories in this kind of genre.

I can't believe someone is actually calling that man "snow bunny". Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

[quote]We are free to love whomever we choose. If you don't like it, go fuck yourself.

RIGHT ON! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! KUNTA KINTE! and so on...

RACISM Event hall cancels mixed-race couple’s wedding: ‘Our Christian beliefs don’t allow mixed weddings’

[quote]I can't believe someone is actually calling that man "snow bunny". Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

I told y'all earlier that this mess runs deep. Very, very, VERY, deep!

[quote]I told y'all earlier that this mess runs deep. Very, very, VERY, deep!

They need Jesus.

White Jesus or Black Jesus ?

[quote]but who doesn't want the white man?

Seriously? I'm not proud of it so I don't go trumpeting it around, but I've never been attracted to a white guy. My ideal man is a tall, muscular dark-skinned black man. I am attracted to certain latino guys, though.

r164

Are you DS as well?

The 'dancer' boyfriend looks very familiar, for some reason. I think he's done porn, hasn't he?

R166 that look is so common..

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The one thing that I really applaud about Ryan Russell's coming out is that it is another black man that has come out of the closet. The black community, like it or not, (and it will be a BIG not), will eventually have to accept that there are GAYS within the black community. They're going to have to have to reconcile their religious beliefs with this in sort of way. Let them call on Jesus to help them make it through. But, accept it they will.

Hopefully, this will manifest itself into black men taking better care and responsibility for themselves. This OFF-OF-THE-CHARTS HIV infection and AIDS levels/rates have got to be ended! I don't date black men. All I see is HIV, HIV, HIV! And, if you're a black male from Atlanta I'd require a hazmat suit before I would have you anywhere near me.

The more black men who come out, and who aren't the stereotypical gay queens like those in R144 and Miss Derek J, the better it will be for all of us.

Uh the black community has known for a very long time there are many gays and even more bisexuals in the community.

It never fails to amaze me how some of you convince yourselves that homophobes only hate femme gays.

R171, there are degrees of hatred and bias. Both empirical studies and common experience reveal that although many homophobes generally dislike or oppose homosexuality, many Antigay people especially dislike gays who are obviously gender nonconformist. Transgender people make up a huge percentage of LGBT hate crimes despite being a tiny portion of the community. Why? Because gender nonconformity especially triggers homophobic people, sometimes to violence. Likewise, Antigay crimes are disproportionately focused on men perceived to be effeminate. Even Antigay slurs are largely about accusing men of being unmanly or girly, from “fairy” to “sissy” to “flamer.” “Faggot” is largely used to mean a male is girly or effeminate in demeanor or interests. It’s clear that effeminate gay men are treated much worse than masculine bi and gay men, and I’ve heard countless effeminate men affirm this.

So these homophobes would be OK with sodomy as long as it was between two bros?

[quote]Uh the black community has known for a very long time there are many gays and even more bisexuals in the community.

Honey-lamb, I don't know where you are from, what black church you attend(ed), or if you're just a troll that wants to keep this thread going. But, the black community acceptance of gays and bisexuals is something that "might" be happening only very recently. It has NOT always been as such. Yes, "it" was "known" but it's swept under the rug, never talked about, or people will try to beat it out of you. That TERRIBLY written book; "On The Down Low" by JL King (Originally published: April 14, 2004) was probably the beginnings of changing perceptions.

MMPH! "Instant NYT Bestseller"--IT SURE WAS!!!

R173, you know that’s not the point. The point is what riles people up the most, often to violence.

Honey-lamb?

[Quote] The more black men who come out, and who aren't the stereotypical gay queens like those in [R144] and Miss Derek J, the better it will be for all of us.

[Quote] It never fails to amaze me how some of you convince yourselves that homophobes only hate femme gays.

Nah, r175, the initial point was about non-femme black gays coming out improving things "for all of us", which is bullshit. Go to LSA, the homophobia isn't all centred around purses falling out of mouths. Homophobes abhor men who like dick.

R177, that’s an exceedingly general and sweeping statements. Homophobia has many roots and justifications, and it depends upon individual views. Studies have confirmed (and common sense tells you) that gay men who are effeminate have it much worse than masculine gay men. All gay men suffer from a general, pervasive bias against same-sex erotic activity, but effeminate gay men especially do.

Among men, there is a common refrain that they are cool with “normal dudes who happen to be gay,” but they don’t like gay guys “who act like females.” You can find this sentiment all over social media when a fem gay guy is being discussed.

[Quote] there is a common refrain that they are cool with “normal dudes who happen to be gay,” but they don’t like gay guys “who act like females.” You can find this sentiment all over social media when a fem gay guy is being discussed.

Is that sentiment commonly expressed among sportsmen? Is it more common than the "I don't want a dude checking me out in the shower" sentiment?

This thread is about an NFL player (former, currently), yet people are harping on effeminacy.

Study: We examined whether, due to men’s desire to reject stereotypically feminine traits in themselves, a masculinity threat would elicit negative affect toward effeminate, but not masculine gay men. Fifty-three male undergraduates from the United States received bogus feedback that they had either a “masculine” or “feminine” personality before rating affect toward two “types” of gay men: effeminate and masculine. Results were consistent with the notion that defensive reactions target groups stereotyped as having the specific traits perceivers wish to deny in themselves: masculinity threat selectively increased negative affect toward effeminate, but not masculine, gay men. Thus, gay men who exhibit feminine traits may be at particular risk from men whose masculinity is threatened.

"Hai, I'm Corey..."

Ugh, of course you are

[quote]but they don’t like gay guys “who act like females.”

MMPH... well, it seems as if those queens always get theirs! Billy Porter, Derek J, EJ Johnson, on and on. They either have MAD sex skills, or they provide great entertainment.

Pictured below: Tiki Barber in heels

[quote]This thread is about an NFL player (former, currently), yet people are harping on effeminacy.

Gurl... sit down...

A study. That's nice.

Is this a Mattachine meeting? Are we all wearing a suit and tie, with any appropriately short haircut to boot?

Antifem Bias for straight-identified men sometimes is a conflicted reaction to their attraction to feminine aspects in a male. We know that many transgender women have been murdered or assaulted after having sex or relationships with straight-identified men. A lot of straight men recoil at the idea that they might be attracted to a fem male and seek to lash out in an attempt to snuff out the uncomfortable attraction. While straight or macho Guys may secretly mess Around with fem guys, very few are open about it.

Girlfriend never seems to have any problems getting her menz...

Where are his “men?”

It's another step. We still have a long way to go. But, we had better come together on this or we will be seeing more incidents like R160

The big news is what’s happening in college football. Seven openly bisexual and gay football players is progress. College football players feed into professional football.

^That IS big news, R190! That's VERY BIG news!

As long as it's not....

He’s Hot

I wanna see him with a regular masculine hairstyle

Maybe a blond style, like Odell.

Naw just traditional masculine haircut

I think some of you use black homophobia to justify your own issues with black people. Yes, some black people are homophobic and it sucks. But you know what, I never see black people in power introducing legislation that limits our rights. I know that most black people vote democratic, so they aren't voting against us. I know that South Bend, Indiana, a predominantly black city, voted for Mayor Pete -- a gay white man.

Some of you love to point out black homophobia, while never mentioning who the real (and more destructive and dangerous) homophobes really are. And lets not even start with how colonialism and white missionaries brought their homophobia to the islands and other majority black areas around the globe.

Black people know there are black gay men and women. They've known it forever and they've dealt with it. And if there have been problems, it comes from religion or fear or the addition of one more burden to bare on a life already having to deal with hate and oppression.

I don't excuse anyone's homophobia. It's all bad, no matter who is doing the hating.

R197, are you really that stupid?

Black people arent coming up laws against homosexuality? Are you really that stupid? Who the fuck is coming up w anti gay laws in Africa?

Oh you mean “in America”. Well that’s because black people don't have the power to do that in the USA due to everything being controlled by whites. But the countries ran by black people are FAR more homophobic than “white” countries such as those in Northern Europe.

And who is killing black trans women? Is it the evil white men? Nah, most are being killed by black men.

R197, with all due respect, I think that you are being disingenuous here. A result of the Black community not coming to terms with homosexuality are some outcomes cited by R198. Or, my own reasons for not dating black men. I'm not homophobic. Susan Hayward said it best; "I WANT TO LIVE!"

Now, I'm not dismissing the possible genuine attraction that this young man holds for the snow bun... the Carnival Cruise Line dancer, but there can be other stuff all wrapped up with that too. That could be; The general non-acceptance of gays within the Black community; his own prejudices and fears, etc.

Some Wikipedia passages that are relevant to this discussion;

Homophobia in ethnic minority communities--Black community

Homophobia is considered prevalent within the African American community. Numerous reasons are given for this, including the image young black males are supposed to convey in the public sphere; that homosexuality is seen as antithetical to being black in the African American community; and the association of the African American community with the church in the United States. African Americans in general tend to have more homophobic beliefs than the rest of the country. More black Americans support the idea that queer people should be condemned, or that AIDS is an acceptable punishment for gay people. Some believe this to be attributable to the effect that conservative church going has on African Americans.

Homophobia and the Black Church

This history between the black church and slaves, has created this indelible bond between black American’s and the Black church. The values preached within the black church tend to be socially conservative, with the exclusion of how the church addresses the homeless. However, when it comes to the home, traditional family values prevail. Maintaining a nuclear family, with a man as the main provider, and a woman as the staple of the house, still represent predominant values within the black church. Heterosexuality is seen as the only acceptable standard, while homosexuality is seen as condemnable by God.

Homophobia and AIDS in the Black Community

The disproportionately high incidence of HIV/AIDS amongst African Americans is attributed to homophobic attitudes. Black communities associate the disease almost exclusively with gay (white) men and not their own community. Many still view HIV/AIDS as a gay disease, and homophobia is one of the main barriers preventing better treatment for people with AIDS inside the community. Irene Monroe of the Huffington Post wrote: "while nearly 600,000 African Americans are living with HIV, and as many 30,000 newly infected each year, there is still within the black community one in five living with HIV and unaware of their infection; and, they are disproportionately heterosexuals. As long as we continue to think of HIV/AIDS as a gay disease, we'll not protect ourselves from this epidemic." There is a direct link between homophobia and AIDS in the black community. The more homophobia that one experiences, as an LGB person, the more likely they are to engage in unprotected anal intercourse. Additionally, studies have found that the more likely one is to engage in risky sex if they more strongly identify with their sexuality and their race.

That Wikipedia article is exaggerating. No community with the high level of fornication, extramarital sex, out of wedlock pregnancies, filthy urban music, and vulgar language often seen in the African-American community can be considered socially conservative.

Just say nothing of violent crime rates.

Corey is cute, though....

Yeah brah

Many black people are non religious still are Antigay because they view gay men as unmanly, girly, effeminate, “punks and sissies.” There is relatively high tolerance for lesbians, but Gay men are often viewed as shameful transgressors of the expectation that men must be macho, masculine, or at least not effeminate.

Wherever there is an ultramacho culture, gay men are treated poorly

Hence why so many black gay boys think transitioning is the answer.

R206, or look at the Middle East.

Lots of gay men transition because they’re incel like mind makes them think they’ll be getting non stop Sex w straight men. They think women have perfect lives and they’re only worry is which stud to pick for the night.

"They think women have perfect lives and they’re only worry is which stud to pick for the night."

Well fuck, look at this recent thread:

Not a lot of black kids in conversion therapy or those camps. Clean up your own house, before you start pointing out the dust bunnies in other people's houses.

[quote]Are you really that stupid? Who the fuck is coming up w anti gay laws in Africa?

Virtually all anti-sodomy laws in many African countries were inherited from British colonial law upon independence from the UK in the '60s. The Africans didn't come up with those laws themselves.

OH!!!!

Whoever bet that he was a top.... YOU LOSE!

For all the instahos that wear it...is there really anything remotely special about Mr. Turk?

R210, so because a bunch of white men said homosexuality was bad in colonial times that excuses homophobia amongst black people?

Are you saying black people can’t think for themselves? Do you really think that lowly of them that you blame all their problems on colonial times? Are you saying black people are so dumb that they need to be taught to think by white men? Are you saying since that they formed all their habits based on white people?

[quote]Hence why so many black gay boys think transitioning is the answer.

Hmm... Or, maybe there are not enough gay masculine black male role models that they see, and they feel that becoming a woman as close as possible is the only option? By no means, am I putting down the effeminate gay black male, (you are what you are), but even they, for the most part, want no part of any man that has even a hint of femininity. THEY WANT A MAN!

Corey is a chorus boy! Just a simple chorus boy!!!!

That there's no wiggle room in hypermasculine minority communities about this, where any man that's perceived as less than masculine must mean that they should be a "woman", is very painful.

Case in point - the entire Muhlaysia Booker situation.

It’s true. I hear parents stilll saying they will beat any hint of effeminancy out of their sons

Taking after Kevin Hart's example, apparently.

Is it me or Corey's body proportions seem to be a little off ?

[quote]I also can't think of 1 famous gay white male who dates a black gay male.

They're married now, but Scott Cullens is sort of a famous model, 3 successful businesses, and whose pussy... bussy, is getting pistoned quite regulary and satisfactorily, by his YOUNG, BLACK, MUSCLED, MANDINGO, FRENCH, husband!

Whew... I need a fan...

A fan and water, PLEEEEEASE!!!!!

Scott Cullens? Never heard of him but I just looked him up and he has 120 million followers. Damn!

Who dude?

Check out the documentary "The Adonis Factor", R223. Scott has been around for quite some time now. He was an actor, he has a rather successful modeling career, he owns his own construction company--and. that's successful too, he owns a hair styling salon. and a lubricant company.

And, below....

is what a 54 year old can look like. Or, something similar....

Gross

^Maybe for some, R225 but for many others not! There are many models who would kill for his modeling career. The guy works and he works quite steadily as a model too-even at his age.

[Quote] he has a rather successful modeling career, he owns his own construction company--and. that's successful too, he owns a hair styling salon. and a lubricant company.

Hi Scott.

He is disgusting, roided muscle bottom👎

dude he has zero hard work, steroids do all the work for you and his abs look gross.

As someone who uses steroids myself you're incorrect, R229. I won't go into that discussion. There are plenty DL threads on the subject.

Does Scott and his husband use steroids? Is the sky blue?

His construction company, R227. I won't post the other businesses since this thread is not about him. You can look him up and find whatever you want to know. He's very transparent. I'm surprised that many of you don't know who he is. I guess it is all about the circles you travel in.

I'm sorry if I'm not impressed by a boomer on steroids and his company.

No one said that you had to be impressed, R231. There's nothing to apologize for. Someone didn't know who he was. I gave the information. Your opinion is your opinion and valid for you. There are others who opinion differs from yours.

How on earth did he get 120 million followers though? Is that fake?

Barf bag, please...

There's nothing worse than a pussy-whupped man.

Bisexual Visibility Month???? Who knew?

Bisexual Visibility Month Celebrates an Exodus from the Bi-Closet

Just in time for Bisexual Visibility Month, NFL free agent Ryan Russell came out as bisexual. According to the many articles published in the Washington Blade, Sports Illustrated and elsewhere, his duel nature had always been a source of personal conflict. His coming out was a typical journey from self-repression to self-acceptance. Russell’s story also reveals the isolation and stigma faced by those whose sexual identify strays beyond accepted norms.

Professional sports are still largely unwelcoming for LGBTQs. While footballer Russell’s macho image reflected the requisite hyper-heterosexual persona, his interest in men would certainly have undermined his professional career. In fact, Russell cited an instance in which a sports blogger discovered him dating a man and the lengths to which he went to stop the blogger from publicizing the affair. The upside of that near scandal was it prompted him to come out. Such stories of celebrities and common folk defying their fears have been in the news of late. Attesting to their frequency are the many websites, social media pages and YouTube videos with tips and advice that appear under such obvious titles as “How to come out as bisexual.”

Here in Cream City, local activists Amy Luettgen and Sarah Wallisch created Bi+ Pride Milwaukee in 2014. Its mission statement states that it was formed “to create a sustainable social community for non-monosexual individuals (and their partners and allies) in the Milwaukee metropolitan area.” Broadly inclusive beyond bisexuals, it embraces a spectrum of marginalized sexual identities: pansexuals, omnisexuals, queers and unlabeled. The group meets regularly at various venues throughout the city and holds a variety of bi-focused events.

‘We Are Everywhere’

Bi+ Pride’s strategy focuses on bisexual myth busting and increasing visibility of Bi+ people to attain not only greater acceptance but also to allow others of similar inclination to find support. In recent years, the group has raised its profile through social media, marching under the pink, blue and lavender bisexual, flag in the Pride Parade and participating in PrideFest as well as year-round activism and advocacy. The next Bi+ Pride Happy Hour, its special Bi Visibility Month edition, takes place on Wednesday, Sept. 11. Bi+ Pride also hosts a discussion group at the LGBT Community Center. It meets on the third Thursday of each month. It is also celebrating Bi Visibility Month with an “extra fabulous” Bisexuali-Tea at the Center on Saturday, Sept. 28. All events are open to community members, partners and allies.

The expanded outreach has increased the organization’s numbers and garnered community recognition. Asked about the current state of bi-visibility, Luettgen remarked, “We are a very diverse and inclusive group. We are the queer majority, and we are everywhere. We are the people who define our non-monosexuality. Never assume our sexuality is based on our partner’s gender. Many trans, non-binary, genderqueer and no-gender individuals are Bi+. Bi-phobia has kept many folks closeted, but now they are seeing themselves represented for the first time.”

One of my best guy friends, whom is white... Told me that he would rather be black than be gay. Meaning, he'd rather be discriminated against, pulled over by the police, judged simply by his color, assumed he's lazy and everything else that comes along with being black. He loves himself but the treatment he received from his dad was just horrible. Sooo....

If being a gay white male in society who grew up with a father that treated him that way... Can you imagine being BLACK and GAY!?

R36 there are 780937393929 black TRANS women of color murdered everyday without fanfare.......

Meant for r236 lol

Bump

On CNN

Not a fan of that hairstyle

R241, agree. That is NOT working for him.

The Meshach Taylor from mannequin 2 hair style has to go!

Lol 😂

I want Ryan to get a "flock of seagulls", complete with blond dye.

Huh?

I'm not R 245, but.....

Hehe

Bisexual football players are my goal

They don't date anything black, huh? He got himself a little caucasian twink and don’t know how to act.

Stop that stupid mess ⤴️

He might do that r245

Corey is cute!

Corey really has a beautiful smile. Great dental work!

Bisexual! Because that black queen just loves to eat pussy, LOL,

His boyfriend don't look happy .

Meeting the Family

Aw... cute!

omg Corey is a big gurleen

Anyway, I want to see the sex tape.

Almost TWO YEARS later, they're still together. And happy.

Another self-hating gay black man who only dates white. Sad.

R262- Just like Michael Sam, although those two broke up a few years ago.

Stop projecting R262. You're the sad one...

But there's clearly others out there just as racist as you are...

In the OP's pic, he looks almost like Michael Strahan.

That was funny R220. Sad, but funny...

R264 Truth hurts, huh bitch?!

Maybe he just prefers white guys, preferences happen.

He's a victim of a racist white society that has brain washed Black people into believing that a White person is the ideal mate or that white light skin and European features are more attractive than dark skin and African features. Think about it. If this wasn't so if all things were equal you would see just as many white athletes or movie stars with Black mates as the other way around. I know most of you aren't sports fans but if you watched something like the NFL draft half the Black football players have white girlfriends but none of the White football players do.

If you grow up in a place where everything that is supposed to represent beauty, magazines, TV shows, movies etc and almost all of the people in leadership positions, most of the people with money, history books. the list goes on and on. That is going to effect your image of yourself and people who look like you.

R269 "but if you watched something like the NFL draft half the Black football players have white girlfriends but none of the White football players do."

The white players don't have white girlfriends???

There are more white guys than black ones. It's an option. How racist to think blacks have to pair with blacks. Obviously stuck before 1967. IQ at MAGA level. It's homophobic and racist when targeted against a gay bi-racial couple.

What a steamin' load of CRAP R269. I'm white. I happen to prefer black men. He hasn't been BRAINWASHED...sheesh!

R271 Same, I was raised in a part of the world where 99.9% people around me were white and those that weren't white were Asian. So clearly the brainwashing failed on me.

Exactly R272. What's happened to common sense? I'm guessing R269 is probably one of those under-25 SJW who believes everyone's a victim.

Funny, he doesn't look gay!

Bisexual is the off ramp to Gay St.

Speak the truth, R269! SPEAK. THE. TRUTH!!!

If you is white, you’s alright,

if you’s brown, stick around,

but if you’s black, hmm, hmm, brother,

get back, get back, get back.

[quote]What a steamin' load of CRAP [R269]. I'm white. I happen to prefer black men.

Uh-huh, R271... We KNOW your type.

For R271

Even with a cock down his throat and another up his ass, it's "bisexual", never "gay" because being a gay man is still the worst thing in the world to most people, and a deal-breaker for any athlete/celebrity hoping to cash in on their profession.

Exactly, R279.

He's so full of shit.

Gurleena is GAY. I don't care what he says.

And not just a little bit gay. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT GAY!

R273 is probably one of those elderly Republicans who think straight white men are victims

[quote] because being a gay man is still the worst thing in the world to most people,

To BLACK people! Unless you have a TON of money homosexuality does not exist in the Black community. It just doesn't exist at all. Leviticus 18:22

[quote]Unless you have a TON of money homosexuality does not exist in the Black community. It just doesn't exist at all.

Gays are all about their oppressors. When I see gays support BLM, I laugh. It’s pathetic.

SO wrong R281. You haven't been following the discussion or you wouldn't have made such a bizarre comment.

It the HOT White boyfriend gay?

Or is he (ugh) "bisexual?"

[quote]It the HOT White boyfriend gay? Or is he (ugh) "bisexual?"

Girl, please....

GET THAT MONEY COREY!!!

His boyfriend is a pocket gay.

R283 Well said.

r270 did you just imply that there aren't enough Black women to go around and that's why those athletes are dating white women? Most of those guys grew up in all Black neighbourhoods where there are plenty of Black women yet they somehow found a white girl. I'm sure in the age of the Internet if a white guy wanted a black girlfriend he would have 0 problem in finding one if they wanted to.

I'm not against interracial dating but if you're Black and you aren't ever attracted to a Black person and you only have a date white people that's an issue that's a problem.

Western culture is one that glorifies white or light skin to deny that fact is ridiculous at this point.

He’s a great looking guy. I’m scared to click on the video because I just know he’s gonna sound like a nelly queen and ruin the fantasy for me.

[quote]On Thursday, a professional dancer named Corey O'Brien posted a picture of he and Russell on a beach,

Oh dear.

But, I supposed the Daily Mail can't really afford copy editors or fact checkers anymore or doesn't need them...

r290 He really don't sound like a nelly queen.

[quote]Most of those guys grew up in all Black neighbourhoods where there are plenty of Black women yet they somehow found a white girl.

Ha! They know what them bitches are about in the hood. Who would want them?

Look... having a "White" on your arm gives you entry to experiences and places that the Negroes are still not found suitable for. When a Negro gets themselves a good piece of money that person wants to improve their station in life. It's about acceptance to a lifestyle that they are normally shut out of. Besides... what do the Negroes know about landscaping (other than doing as instructed), interior design, art, proper place settings, antiques, luxury goods (it's not called "bling", y'all), etc. The few that do know a little something.... what was the Negress's name? OH! Barbara Smith (AKA: B. Smith) can move a little higher up the scale of acceptable society but even she was limited. Take note, that when B. Smith started to go a bit looney that her husband (who would inherit all of the money) did the proper thing and went out and found him a white girl! This is just the way things are.

R269, I have to disagree with you. It’s ludicrous to say that black people seek out whites because that's who they see in positions of power and in media. Blacks have dominated popular culture, especially sports and music, for decades. They are known to be cooler than white people. Even in African countries many use lightening creams, are you going to say that’s because of western culture? Whatever the reason successful blacks seek out non black partners has to be addressed from within their community first. FYI, in real life blacks are usually partnered with other blacks.

[quote]Blacks have dominated popular culture, especially sports and music, for decades.

They're delightfully entertaining, aren't they? Ah... Amos & Andy, Oriole... and Mammy still brings tears to my eyes to this very day.

That pussy is making money, honey! If you are going to give it up just make sure you're getting a return!

Ka' Ching! Ka' Ching!!!

R295 - I love them too. Especially The Jeffersons, Good Times, and The Fresh Prince of Belaire ones. They always entertained me.

R296 The boyfriend has a surprisingly flat ass, most black guys like a nice big ass.

Okay great so he's still gay. Got it.

Corey is running this show...

Where their hands are placed is how deep Ryan's dick hits.

I'm sure Corey is a very happy man (both on and off his feet).

[quote][R296] The boyfriend has a surprisingly flat ass, most black guys like a nice big ass.

It's all about how you work it.

In other words, he's a homo.

Damn, R303. Now that's what I'm talking about.

r294 why do so many successful Blacks seek out White partners? You don't see successful Whites with Black partners that often. I'm struggling to think of 5 famous gay Black men who have Black boyfriends. Justice Smith and... I'm sure there must be more but they don't come easily to mind.

Of course Black people have a large influence over culture but having an influence over a culture is not in and of itself that culture. American culture is still white, whiteness.

Let me make clear that a person has a right to chose any partner they want without ridicule. I'm just curious as to why certain groups of people in the larger context chose certain things and other groups of people don't. Isn't that what anthropology is all about?

I heard, and I don't know how true this is, a lot of black professional athletes used to be advised to date white women, as it made them seem less "ghetto " and companies would be more likely to hire them for commercials and the like.

I'm trying to think of 5 famous White gay actors or musicians who have Black boyfriends. I came out with Denis O'Hare.

There actually could be a lot of truth to that, R307. I've been joking and playing around (R293) but there are far too many who think like this. And, let's give some of them the benefit of doubt that it as not as much about racism per se but more about practicality and survival. I'm thinking about a recent report regarding the "Tamron Hall Show" where an Executive Producer (or, someone very high up) let it be known to Public Relations people NOT to pitch their African American clients to the show because it is NOT a "Black" show.

Also, I remember talking to the late and great Earle Graves (founder and publisher of "Black Enterprise" magazine) who spoke of the difficulty in finding advertisers. He approached Mercedes Benz who declined to advertise in the publication because they did not want the car to become known as a "Black" car.

Those are just two very recent examples of how racism is soooo ingrained and systemic in our society. But, let me point out that things are indeed changing BUT there is still lots of work to do!

Dating whites gets them elevated status. It opens so many more doors and makes them seem more accessible. Now whether this particular black man is doing it consciously or unconsciously that’s something I don’t know.

Thread is useless until he presents hole.

r306 I've heard black men and women say the availability of potential black partners/mates is extremely limited once you reach a certain level of success. That's if you are looking to meet someone organically. Unless they are willing to put in extra work seek out someone of the same race it generally won't happen...

But I think for gay black men in particular there is more to it. There has got to be some deep sociological reasoning for gay black men not partnering with each other. Even gay black men who aren't wealthy have a hard time having lasting relationships with other black men. Steve Lacy really sent me when he said he doesn't date other black men because he views them as brothers? Brother, it's got to be more than that. Jussie Smollet was with the Africans who are about as culturally different from black Americans as white people.

The vast majority of partnered gay black men I know are with other black men. This includes a wide socioeconomic spectrum ranging from blue collar to real estate to tech and finance. The so-called “dating out” phenomenon decried by some black women and gays is so, so overblown and not borne out by statistics.

Well r313 the phenomenon must be limited to gay black men who are celebrities because of most of them for damn sure do not have black partners.

[quote]But I think for gay black men in particular there is more to it. There has got to be some deep sociological reasoning for gay black men not partnering with each other.

It's very complex and complicated. IMHO, it still all boils down to racism and self-esteem. There are many Black folks who hate that they are Black whether they know it consciously, or it is subconscious. The Black race has been conditioned (because of systemic racism) to hate themselves. Then you have religion. For those who are not Black, it will be very hard for you to imagine the immense pressure that a gay Black man face because of religion. It's amazing (or not, because of religion) that the suicide rate among gay Black males isn't higher.

r315 I also think a lot of black gay men have broken, strained or non existent relationships with their fathers as well which shapes their treatment of other men. A lot of them also witness how black men treat their mothers as well which profoundly affects how they view other black men.

I’d like to hear from a black man as to the reasons why they don’t partner with other black men. This is actually a very interesting occurrence and I’ve never seen articles written about it. At least give me YOUR personal reasons for not dating another black man.

[quote]I'm trying to think of 5 famous White gay actors or musicians who have Black boyfriends. I came out with Denis O'Hare.

Mario Cantone

[quote]I’d like to hear from a black man as to the reasons why they don’t partner with other black men. This is actually a very interesting occurrence and I’ve never seen articles written about it. At least give me YOUR personal reasons for not dating another black man

May I humbly suggest that you write something about the subject from your perspective? I agree with you that there aren't many articles and/or resources that tackle this subject whether it be homosexual or heterosexual. It's a very complex issue with many layers of mess! I believe that it should be discussed much more. Here's a possible resource for you though--if you can find it... It was a book written by Lawrence Otis Graham (wow! I can't believe this guy is dead--59 years old) and it was titled; "Our Kind of People: Inside America's Black Upper Class" (1999).

Some of this (or most of it) might simply be economics. Let's say you're one of Ken Chenault's sons. Ken was the third African-American to head a Fortune 500 company (American Express) and therefore you have an idea of the lifestyle that he provided for himself and his family. Okay... how many African-Americans do you think that you would meet who could identify and relate to your upbringing and lifestyle versus those who are white?

On TV shows and commercials, you only see Black/White gay couples, never same race.

IMHO R320, we will have a way to go before you see a gay Black couple on TV shows and especially for commercials. It's still about that "Gimme that ole time 'ligion" I'm sure Madison Ave has done a number of focus groups and that coupling isn't going over too well. However, the interracial couples are testing well and breaking down barriers, IMHO.

[quote]On TV shows and commercials, you only see Black/White gay couples, never same race.

Ive only seen two gay black couples in commercials, one is below for HIV drugs.

The other was the cute Etsy Christmas commercial from last year. My mind was blown at the Etsy commercial because its the first time Ive seen a gay black couple in an ad that's not for HIV meds.

Hmm... Your thoughts and comments?

Economics is no excuse, that's not the reason these guys don't have black partners and there are plenty of rich Black people who are coupled up.

Not all interracial couples are created equally some people just happen to meet and fall in love and there are others who absolutely will not date a Black person because they aren't attracted to people who are Black.

[quote]Economics is no excuse, that's not the reason these guys don't have black partners and there are plenty of rich Black people

Disagree.

[quote]The estimated median wealth of black households is $36,000, while white households estimated their parents' median wealth at $150,000. African-Americans, who were historically denied access to housing wealth, face a substantial wealth disparity compared to whites.

[quote]Among the nation's wealthiest Americans -- known as the Top 1% -- only a very small percentage are black. To gain membership into this elite group in 2013, it required a household net worth of nearly $7.9 million, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. And only 1.7% of those who met that mark are black.

Economics definitely is a factor for many. Even the Bible (going back to that "ole time 'ligion) speaks of it. That unequal yoke stuff...

r325 get the fuck out! Economics is a bullshit excuse. People like what they like and there are a million ways to find someone you like no matter what there income is.

Ok r325 I just went to this guys social media and every non Blue check marked guy he follows is White. Meaning all his thrist follows are white guys. This isn't about economics, he's a snow Queen plain and simple.

R327 - “He’s a snow queen, plain and simple.”

Every gay black man I’ve ever known is a “snow queen,” as you described. I think that’s a derogatory term though. They just prefer white men for long term relationships. There’s stability and hope for a better future with that path. Think about the childhood many gay black men endured (absentee father, abuse, neglect, little to no money, government assistance, etc.) and you can’t help but think they are determined to find a way out.

r328 Do you even realize how racist you sound? You really think White people are more stable than Black people or any other ethnic or racial group? LOL But thank you for proving my point most Black men who exclusively date white men or white women are in fact white supremacists themselves.

[quote]Think about the childhood many gay black men endured (absentee father, abuse, neglect, little to no money, government assistance, etc.) and you can’t help but think they are determined to find a way out.

Whoa... It sounds as if you needed to get out more, R328.

A lot of gay brothers only want to deal with very masculine guys, who are still on the downlow and have a kid or 2. If that's the only type of man that turns you on, then yes single life will be it for you. Not that anything is wrong with being single, but since we are on the subject of gay black coupling. Those type dudes are not relationship material. So its no wonder why so many attractive gay black men can't find a boyfriend who is also black.

Why are we still talking about this never-was?

R322, And you are...?

[quote]A lot of gay brothers only want to deal with very masculine guys, who are still on the downlow and have a kid or 2. If that's the only type of man that turns you on, then yes single life will be it for you. Not that anything is wrong with being single, but since we are on the subject of gay black coupling. Those type dudes are not relationship material. So its no wonder why so many attractive gay black men can't find a boyfriend who is also black.

To this point, I also think that gay black men may go for white guys because they feel they can dominate a white guy much more easily than they can another black guy. I think white guys in general tend to be more submissive, which turns black guys on because we tend to have a more assertive personality (and will usually be the top in the bedroom). Not saying this is the case across the board (relationships are different for everybody, of course) but I do feel it has something to do with why some black men end up with white partners.

He is VERY handsome, and his boyfriend is very cute as well. They make a lovely couple.

I couldn't care any less about football and I won't care in the future, but I guess that this is a positive turn of events for sports.

Geez-Louise! Where do some of you guys hang out? And, who with R334 and R331?

Have you ever heard the idiom; "You attract who you are"? Basically it means that what you attract is a re-affirmation of what you believe. Your belief might have been influenced by past negative experiences that continue to stay with you for a while even after the relationship has ended and act as a lens that you see the world through.

R336 - I agree with many of your points, as well as R334 and R331. The bottom line is, whether we like or agree or not, if a successful black man has an attractive white man at his side, he will receive more attention, higher status, greater career potential, and probably more income. Hopefully one day these tropes will no longer apply, but in 2021, they still do.

R336 im just calling it like i see it. So many spend their youth chasing after trade, after you get tired of that (yes you will get to point where youve had enough) yes most guys do expand their dating pool to include white men. Its all good. To me its more just numbers. Gay men are still very much the minority and the group of black gay men is even smaller. So after some time you start exploring other options.

[quote] The bottom line is, whether we like or agree or not, if a successful black man has an attractive white man at his side, he will receive more attention, higher status, greater career potential, and probably more income.

Unfortunately, I would have to agree, R337. I think what is needed are more role models of successful Black gay men in long term relationships with other successful gay Black men, and... I don't mean just the sports stars and/or other celebrities. Also, I don't mean (alright y'all... I'm ready to be slapped silly but many of y'all know what I mean) the Black couple where one of the partners is EXTREMELY effeminate while the other is the masculine, dominant bull--even though that one is the 100% bottom. Let's be clear there is not a thing wrong with being a bottom. But oh.... the stereotypes. The stereotypes...

Once again... I come back to that "ole time 'ligion" theme. Maybe it's just me but I don't believe that many outside of the Black race understand how powerful but extremely debilitating religion has been for many Black gay men. Another possible fact about why some Black men will not date other Black men is because A LOT of Black men are afraid to admit to their true sexuality. Let's look at the stereotypes again; How does any Black women (in her right mind) believe that her Black man, that went to prison when he was 28 and released when he is 45 is fully straight? Of course, anything is possible but I would think that one of the early on conversations would happen as follow;

"Hi honey. Welcome home! Who did you fuck or who fucked you?"

White gay men (and, this is great for them but unfortunate for the rest of us--especially for Black gay men) can be more open about their sexuality and live their truth. They will only lose but so much. They always had, ( and will have), the opportunity to regain whatever back and/or possibly more. While many things are indeed changing, there is still A LOT of work to do! The Black gay man still faces complete (and I mean COMPLETE) devastation in admitting that they are gay. If it's a long-term relationship ie marriage, it only becomes worse.

I don't know how many of us are following and participating in this thread but I find it quite interesting and useful. Hopefully more people will weigh in with their thoughts and opinions.

For what it's worth, it's not just gay black men who go outside the race for partners: Wanda Sykes and Robin Roberts are both married to white women.

Probably the same issues and dynamics, R340. That's sort of become the topic from a topline perspective; Why aren't other Black people getting a piece of that wealth?

[quote]Leviticus 18:22

Oh, my! Is it that late already? I’ve got to go.

Have any white major league sports players come out as non-heterosexual?

In American soccer

Being a snow Queen has nothing to do with economics or the this mythcal lack of partner availability. It's 100% has to do with racism

The simplest explanations are usually the best.

R346 - Absolutely agree. There are many more gay black racists then gay white racists. They just don’t get called out like the whites do.

There aren't more Black gay racists than White but there are a disproportionate amount relative to the size of the community. It's a product of growing up in a racist society.

[quote] People like what they like and there are a million ways to find someone you like no matter what there income is.

There are a ton of reasons why this happens. A lot of them have been discussed here but income can and often does play a role in many couplings straight or gay.

That being said sometimes it really is because the person asked them out. Robin Roberts was set up on a date.

Wanda met her wife on a Fire Island cruise because Wanda was in a position where she could go to Fire Island and be on a cruise.

These two said they met on an app and got along and from what I've read about them it seems like it worked out partially because they were both willing to potentially spend time apart. That doesn't happen in every coupling.

Sometimes it's even environmental or situational. If you went to a university where the overwhelming majority of the population is white, then you might end up having that be a significant part of your dating pool.

Sometimes someone will exclusively date people of a certain race other their own and that's when you can say, okay this person might be a snow queen. I think the problem is, you can't really say that unless you have a clear idea of their dating history. When that does happen, however, there's some self hate there that this person needs to address.

[quote]There are many more gay black racists then gay white racists.

No such thing. In this country (USA) people of color can never be racists. At no time in the history of this nation thus far, have people of color been able to subjugate another race to second class citizenry, discriminate, restrict civil rights, etc. Now, can people of color be bigots? ABSOLUTELY! But, racists? No.

[quote]There are a ton of reasons why this happens. A lot of them have been discussed here but income can and often does play a role in many couplings straight or gay.

And with income comes the lifestyle that an individual is accustomed to, reared in, learned to value whatever values, etc. Here's a sweeping generalization but I'm using it just to illustrate a point; If I'm a Black person that grew up listening, learning, and liking, only hard rock music then the likelihood of my embracing gangsta rap is very minimal.

Another rich black gay male got his white KANG he’s always dreamed of.