'The Handmaid's Tale' Season 3, Part II

Previous thread.

Thanks OP

grazie

[quote]R600 Her refusal to help save the wife of the Commander was just plain cold. Her character has gone to a point of no return. I am not routing for her anymore.

ROOTING (unless you work in an airport control tower)

The problem with Eleanor Lawrence was that she was going to spill the beans about Project Muffin Truck. A decision had to be made, weighing her worth against that of The Children.

PS: I was at a dinner party with this actress once, and she was sweet and articulate. She started in the NY theater. She also played the wife’s divorce lawyer on BREAKING BAD for a couple of episodes.

OH! I remember her

In allowing Eleanor to die, June kinda cancelled out the only reason Joseph wanted to go to Canada. And with his reinstated status why would he help her?

I bet June’s got plenty of dirt on him ... especially after going through his desk.

The Muffins shall prevail.

He gave her birth control pills, a capital offense. Of course, it would be her word against his. I think he wants out of Gilead so bad that he’s hoping that the kiddie bus to Canada might buy him some sympathy, plus whatever he is willing to spill on Waterford and co.

Keep in mind, this action takes place in an ‘early’ period of Gilead. Atwood says things get worse after some high level purges. Don’t hope for a happy ending for June, but we can hope for a happy ending 100 years or so after the events currently being shown.

This season has dragged on for 100 years!

It feels like it

I think they'll wrap this up in a shorter time frame than the Gilead of the book.

The Waterfords are toast

And I am loving this season. June has been made by the circumstances of her existence.

Right, R13. I don't understand all of the complaints that I keep hearing about June's lack of compassion, ruthlessness, etc. She's been raped and abused continuously for a few years at this point. For her to still be entirely mentally stable would be completely unrealistic.

Janine went off the deep end after just a few months

[quote]r14 I don't understand all of the complaints that I keep hearing about June's lack of compassion, ruthlessness, etc. She's been raped and abused continuously for a few years at this point.

Some here are also unhappy Elizabeth Moss doesn't wear more mascara...or something.

LOL, R16. She's not supposed to look good. Handmaids are denied any cosmetics, even moisturizer is off limits. In the book the handmaids steal pats of butter to smooth their skin.

Right. But we're stll hearing cries of "Elizabeth Moss looks so ugly!" and "I can't look at her angry face any more!"

You must remember r18 that those cries are coming from the universally beautiful denizens of the Datalounge.

they’re supposed to be fuckable though, so there must be some standards the Aunts hold them to. Like, hygiene and weight management

Um, straight men will fuck anything.

The handmaids aren't supposed to be desirable, R20. They are vessels to be used as incubators for a new generation. The Commanders aren't supposed to have much further contact with them beyond the Ceremony. Of course, straight men being what they are, they find a way around the rules. Fred's obsession with June is about power more than anything. These guys get off on controlling these women.

well Commanders are in a position of power over any woman, certainly over all all Handmaids. I think there’s something about June that appeals to him, her feisty nature maybe. She really should have been strung up on The Wall in season 3 though, she’s gotten away with a lot. Her confrontation with Serena in Washington should have been enough to get her exiled to The Colonies, let alone trying to stab her with a scalpel.

They can't afford to kill fertile women for any infraction. That's why they beat their feet, remove their clits, burn their hands, etc. Also it was made clear that the Waterford's previous handmaid committed suicide. The Commanders get a bad rep/lose power if their handmaids drop like flies or don't produce children.

They almost killed Janine, and Emily. They thought better of it after the bombing though. You’re right, those uteruses are valuable.

They killed that black handmaid

They got the child out of her before they let her die. Priorities!

Apparently

So Martha’s aren’t fertile? Rita doesn’t look that old, neither does the one they hanged for dyking with Emily.

Marthas are not fertile. All fertile women are Handmaids or Econowives. Those who resist are sent to the Colonies.

R30 types like an Aunt

I’m still pissed we never saw Meloni’s character enjoy the homosex.

Aunts are postmenopausal women. They are unmarried. Sort of like nuns.

R32 I thought he was going to make Commander Waterford put out.

so the Ceremony in the Lawrence’s house was meant to humiliate Commander Lawrence, but also to make a case to remove Lawrence’s power? I know Commander Lawrence loved Eleanor, but why didn’t he get any of the four Handmaid’s assigned to his house pregnant? Was he afraid that Eleanor was too unstable to take care of a child? Or was he actually gay and Eleanor, beloved as she was, was his beard? I wonder if any of Waterford’s motivation was to get June back. I loved how she got the last word in “at least it wasn’t you.”

I assumed that Lawrence avoided the ceremony because of its horrific impact on Eleanor.

he likely can't get it up

I interpreted the glance he made to June at Eleanor’s burial in several ways:

1. “I know you watched her die and didn’t help her”

or

2. “You and I are in this together now so let’s get the plan going”

or

3. “I think you understand me even better than Eleanor and I’m attracted to you now”

June's glance back seemed to say: I want to bear all your children!!!!

It's a love story!

Well I have a sneaking suspicion that June ends up pregnant with Lawrence’s baby. That’s the season cliffhanger right thar.

OMG. What if, in addition to June being pregnant, she actually MARRIES Lawrence! Think of what she could covertly accomplish as the the wife of a commander!

Think of the beautiful peacock blue frocks she would wear!

could a Handmaid actually marry? I wonder..

didn’t Lawrence give June morning-after pills after The Ceremony?

I thought they looked like spermicidal inserts.

I thought that they were just the pill

[quote]r46 I thought they looked like spermicidal inserts.

We didn't see her jam any up her muff, tho.

Maybe it will be a DVD extra?

R48 Fingers crossed.

I wonder what happens to June and the handmaids now. Are they on the run?

That episode was edge of your seat great!

RUN for your LIFE!

Serena Joy getting arrested... delicious.

June is one tough broad.

Bitch!

Was that the season finale? So now we have to wait another year to find out what happens???

Yep, that was it.

I can't imagine there won't be a war next year or at the very least some capitulation by the Canadians. Unless they too have nukes at this point.

the beginning was harrowing, it reminded me of the Holocaust

The first part of next season will have June on the run and in hiding with help from other handmaids and Marthas. Help will come from Aunt Lydia when she convinces the council that June was shot trying to STOP the kids from being taken. She’ll point out Hannah wasn’t there. If June were truly behind the taking of those children, Hannah would have been taken too. (Whether Aunt Lydia believes this BS logic is up to the viewer.) June will then get placed with a new Commander. Then I think Canada will end up wanting to trade the Commander and Serena for “hero” June. They offer this to also help avoid war with Gilead since Canada has their beloved Commander Waterford. June won’t want to leave Gilead because Hannah is still there. She will then try to get Hannah out with her to Canada or to try to stay in Gilead near Hannah. Hijinks ensue..

Addendum: I think Commander Lawerence will take the fall for June out of guilt for his actions in helping form Gilead and Eleanor’s death. He will go to the wall. This leaves June without any powerful allies in Gilead.

Will "To the wall, To the wall!" replace "Lock her up, Lock her up!"

I don’t see how June and all the other Handmaids and Marthas will escape execution. What are we going to get, more group punishment from Aunt Lydia? How much more of that will we have to sit through? It’s possible they could start a new story arc post June. Moss is en executive producer isn’t she? She’s still getting paid even if she doesn’t act.

I wanted Janine to get out.

Lawrence will probably say he put them all up to it, and be executed in order that he be reunited with Eleanor, and the girls will be tortured but ultimately returned to service after Aunt Lydia decides they have atoned for their sins. A June-less Handmaids Tale could probably feature Moira as the heroine, leading the resistance from Canada, but the truth is I don’t find the actress to be very strong.

[quote]r53 Serena Joy getting arrested... delicious.

[italic]LOCK 'ER UP!

[quote]r50 I wonder what happens to June and the handmaids now. Are they on the run?

My first thought is they could all go home, hope they weren't missed, and blame the Marthas that escaped. But then all the remaining Marthas would get tortured/interrogated.

Plus, June now has a gunshot wound, which would be hard to explain away in her new household.

So maybe the next season will be a kind of NUNS ON THE RUN? Joseph will be helping from the inside - is Cusak signed for Season 4?

SO MANY QUESTIONS ! ! !

Oh, and that scardy cat blabbermouth Martha that showed up with the first child, then panicked, is DEAD MEAT.

#NeverForgetNeverForgive

#HandmaidJustice

That was completely astonishing.

[quote]r65 Lawrence will probably say he put them all up to it, and be executed in order that he be reunited with Eleanor, and the girls will be tortured but ultimately returned to service after Aunt Lydia decides they have atoned for their sins.

There's no witnesses as to who was involved with Project Muffin Truck.

No one knows any handmaids were involved yet.

Was the Guardian that June killed the same as the one from detention with whom she asked about her daughter?

[quote]June now has a gunshot wound, which would be hard to explain away in her new household.

She wears red. How hard could it be?

Does the older lady in brown have fibromyalgia?

One of the handmaid's looked sixty. If a day.

It’s a hard lot

Generally a hard to swallow season. I’m glad thatJune got her hero day, and indeed the book hints at capers like this occurring. I’d honestly love to see this as the final chapter on the series. Clearly the waterfords will have to face justice. The children got out , but likely will start a diplomatic fracas that will help solidify and then weaken the Gilead regime. Lawrence will be a part of the first purge. The handmaids will likely die, the book hints at recruiting younger models further on in the regime.

Quite wonderful episode, worth the wait and build up. Very emotional Canada scenes, felt so bad for Luke when there was no Hannah with Rita hugging him and crying.

I too thought they’d marry her off to Joseph. I’m guessing next season will be June on the run. How could she go back?

If the next season picks up closer to the end of the book, she'll start the underground railroad now. Gilead should fall into civil war.

THEY HAVE A HARD LIFE, YOU BASTARD!

^^ in response to

[quote]R74 One of the handmaid's looked sixty. If a day.

I am 20 minutes into the recent episode and had to stop it awhile, this is torture porn trying to watch it

I wonder if June's gunshot wound will prevent her from having more kids?

This season was eh, though tonight was great. June's plot armor is annoying. Womb or no womb, June would've been executed for being a troublemaker ages ago. Or locked in a cell only for The Ceremony.

How are all of these kids a) so quiet and b) totally OK with this? There are some who are young enough not to have remembered their real parents, which means they’re being ripped away from the only parents they’ve ever known. Wouldn’t that make for a few tears or tantrums?

And the main little girl: you're telling me a fascist Christian state took a girl named Rebecca and renamed her Kiki? Um...

This season was mindnumbing. What was the plane's official purpose for, again? Why was everyone in Canada ready and waiting?

I think the plane was for black market use to supply Jezebels with things outlawed in Gilead. Commanders look the other way since they are the ones enjoying the goods. Serena traveled in a cargo plane when she visited Nichole so smuggling across the border isn't new.

I assume the bartender that arranged the flight or the pilot got word to the US consulate that there were refugees on board.

Thanks R85. I did not wanna have to go back and rewatch

When/how did the bartender get the art that was promised him? I was expecting scenes of an exchange.

I have Bette Davis eye!

Kiki is a plausible nickname/diminutive for Rebecca.

R83, let’s have a Kiki!

I have the feeling that the commander will take the blame and then they will try to trade him to get Waterford back.

I’m actually super grateful that I now no longEr need to see extended Garbo-esque closeups of Moss.

Kiki, do you love me? Are you riding? Say you'll never ever leave from beside me 'Cause I want you, and I need you And I'm down for you

I wanna have a Kiki

What outlandish writing will we get next season for why June can continue to do whatever she wants in Gilead without getting put on the wall!

I'm happy Rita got out of Gilead. I bet she'll testify against the Waterfords next season.

June just needs to don a cowl and cape and become Batwoman next season.

Ofbatman

R96 I know sometimes the Martha's are there witnessing during the ceremony, was Rita when it was happening to June?

I don't watch shows where lead star is a scientologist

nuff sed

R99 In season 1, I remember Rita and Nick were present for the Bible readings or prayers when the ceremony nights happened. I don't think Rita ever saw what was going on in the bedroom.

I wonder if Serena and Fred will be charged with a slavery crime regarding Rita. She was forced against her will to be their unpaid maid and in season 1 Serena hit Rita and that probably happened other times.

R99 In season 1, I remember Rita and Nick were present for the Bible readings or prayers when the ceremony nights happened. I don't think Rita ever saw what was going on in the bedroom.

I wonder if Serena and Fred will be charged with a slavery crime regarding Rita. She was forced against her will to be their unpaid maid and in season 1 Serena hit Rita and that probably happened other times.

Rita struck me as being somewhat complacent in the household and didn’t hate the Waterford’s enough

Rita was probably destined for the Colonies after the Waterfords' arrests.

The waterford’s ?

The martha’s ?

Is this an autocorrect nonsense?

Interview with the actress who plays Rita. She is hoping the Waterfords get their due next season and that Rita's backstory will be revealed.

She actually looks better as a Martha r106

It's a calling.

I think there is a reason they gave that male doctor so much screen time while stitching June’s hand after the attempted stabbing. He seems a little sympathetic, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is in the resistance and stitches June up again, this time in the woods where she’ll be hiding out. He can possibly testify on her behalf saying that being forced to kneel in a hospital room for a month caused her to snap and that she wasn’t responsible for her actions.

But according to the rules that govern the fictional world of Gilead, June should by rights be dead a dozen times over. She beat the odds once in season 2, when she was recaptured after her escape attempt and sent back to the Waterfords to quash any rumors of her rebellion. Since then, she has violated every rule Gilead holds dear to its fervent, Scripture-memorizing, ritual-loving heart. June has had sex with men other than her Commander, she has abetted her own child’s escape, she has essentially spat on Aunt Lydia, she has raised her voice to Commanders and their wives, she has plotted a rebellion among the potatoes and tinned fruit of Loaves and Fishes, she has visited a female doctor and attempted escape twice. June’s pregnancy once kept her safe, but even after baby Nichole was born, June’s heavy, shrapnel-laden plot armor deflected the execution that might face any other character. Two episodes ago, she destroyed Christopher Meloni’s Commander Winslow, a walking protein-shake ad, in hand-to-hand combat. Admittedly, I cheered and raved about the episode, but still.

Punishment in Gilead, we’re led to believe, is swift and furious. Bodies swing in public squares for crimes as varied as “gender treachery” and “abusing” a child by conspiring to reunite her with her real mother. Nick’s wife Eden had a weight chained to her and was thrown into a pool for her affair. Janine and Emily each lost a body part (an eye and the clitoris, respectively) and were sent to the Colonies for their crimes. After the second Ofglen blew up the Rachel and Leah Center, her Commander’s entire family was executed, even though they had nothing to do with the explosion.

totally agree, it makes the whole regime seem fangless and powerless

I can’t figure out if June likes Aunt Lydia or despises her.

R122 you’re kidding, right?

Nobody likes a kidder!

Aunt Lydia will swing

nope, not kidding. I think Aunt Lydia has an honesty about her, she really believes she’s doing the right thing. And if you’re on her good side, she treats you nicely, almost motherly. I’m not sure June would kill her. I also think Aunt Lydia probably will go with Gilead, I don’t see her betraying the cause or fleeing to Canada.

I hope June shoots Lydia in the face. She's a gender traitor just like Serena.

[quote]I think there is a reason they gave that male doctor so much screen time while stitching June’s hand after the attempted stabbing. He seems a little sympathetic, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is in the resistance and stitches June up again, this time in the woods where she’ll be hiding out. He can possibly testify on her behalf saying that being forced to kneel in a hospital room for a month caused her to snap and that she wasn’t responsible for her actions.

I think he'll save June. In season 2, there was also that Martha who was a doctor before Gilead. Maybe, she'll reappear in season 4 to help June.

[quote]I think there is a reason they gave that male doctor so much screen time while stitching June’s hand after the attempted stabbing. He seems a little sympathetic, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is in the resistance and stitches June up again, this time in the woods where she’ll be hiding out. He can possibly testify on her behalf saying that being forced to kneel in a hospital room for a month caused her to snap and that she wasn’t responsible for her actions.

I think he'll save June. In season 2, there was also that Martha who was a doctor before Gilead. Maybe, she'll reappear in season 4 to help June.

[quote]Aunt Lydia will swing

Fine, just as long as Aunt Lydia won't sing.

Will they do an all musical episode next season?

R120 I hope so. I would love to see Serena perform a musical number in the detention center.

“How Do You Solve A Problem Like Serena?”

Didn't June give the nod to Ofmatthew to shoot Aunt Lydia during the fracas at Loaves & Fishes? I think June would love to blow Lydia's face off.

Lydia could turn, but if she did, well, there's a reason why the most ferocious anti-Christian atheist attitudes come from people in red states. She'd be more angered than June, if that's possible.

Lydia will probably be killed before the end of the series. I think a group of handmaids will ban together at some point and find a place to beat her to death.

Lydia will probably be killed before the end of the series. I think a group of handmaids will ban together at some point and find a place to beat her to death.

"June is Bustin' Out All Over....Again"

I know this: I want Sam Jaeger inside me, quite deeply.

he's a cutie

No way will Lydia be turned. That would be a horrible betrayal of the character. There’s a reason that in her backstory she was revealed to he a judgmental, bitter cunt.

No way will Lydia be turned. That would be a horrible betrayal of the character. There’s a reason that in her backstory she was revealed to he a judgmental, bitter cunt.

Lydia, and all the aunts from what we can see, are true believers in the cause. They are a more reliable group than the commanders.

Lydia and the Aunts have gained something under Gilead - they have authority and power over the Handmaids and Lydia can sadistically lash out at younger, fertile women like she did in that flashback episode. She was miserable before and now her life has a purpose.

Serena on the other hand had power and authority in her pre-Gilead life as a tele-Evangelist minor celebrity who in the book it's suggested had a lot to do with bringing about the new regime. But it's only made her miserable.

Commanders are Priests and Aunts are Nuns in an allegory to the Catholic Church.

was Serena an evangelist in the series? I took her to be more a right-wing political talking head. The book though, clearly describes Serena as a TV gospel singer/evangelist Tammy Faye type. I like how the actress plays Serena, you can tell she regrets Gilead and what it turned into. Yet she liked the power it gave her husband.

Serena is comfortable with Gilead. She simply doesn't enjoy not being in charge. She would be happy with the set-up, if she was a commander.

R135 I don't think she was an evangelist in the series but in the book it's very clear she regrets her part in Gilead's creation. She finds herself in a privileged position but totally powerless whereas she had her own life and power pre-Gilead.

I saw her as an Ann Coulter type.

losing reading and writing privileges was one her biggest regrets it seems. When Tuello hands her the stack of newspapers (he totally knew what he was doing) you can see her eyes lit up and she relaxed.

Who was the commander and wife that the Martha had to kill to take the baby out?

R140 It was probably some random commander that we never saw onscreen.

[quote]losing reading and writing privileges was one her biggest regrets it seems. When Tuello hands her the stack of newspapers (he totally knew what he was doing) you can see her eyes lit up and she relaxed.

Well, now she can become a library assistant in prison.

If you want to really punish her make her work in a nursery.

[quote]Rita was probably destined for the Colonies after the Waterfords' arrests.

I might have missed it, but where she was staying after the Waterfords' arrest? Wouldn't have been set to work in another commander's house?

I would think she’d be reassigned. The whole point of being a Martha is that despite having questionable fertility, they led blameless lives according to Gilead rules so were approved for domestic work. Unless her resistance activities were uncovered, of course. Commander Lawrence might have pulled some strings to protect her from any future deportation.

So how many commanders does agile and have? Is it like senators?

agile?

[quote]was Serena an evangelist in the series? I took her to be more a right-wing political talking head.

in the series she is a sort of pundit political commentator who writes books about women. in the film and the book she is a singing televangelist who's past her prime.

I think we’ll find out more when Atwood’s follow-up book comes out in September. To me it seems like Gilead is broken up into districts, with a lot of lower level commanders and a head honcho. I think Lawrence was a head honcho and Waterford aspired to be in that spot, but Lawrence was an economist so had more value to Gilead.

Why was the other Martha in the Lawrence household so young? Was she deemed infertile? She couldn’t have been more than 25.

R150 I'm guessing she was infertile and they figured she lived out her life serving households instead of being sent off to the colonies.

She could lift the heavy boxes - -

I binge watched season 3 this week and I have to say there were no OH MY GODDDDDD moments. Not even one.

Serena being arrested was probably the closest thing to an omg moment. I figured next season would be all about her tattling to Canada and the remaining US govt about Gilead. It might still happen, but now the stakes are different. I wonder if Tuello (who clearly wants to eat her pussy) will come up with some other kind of deal for her.

R154 I thought Tuello was gay? Or am I imagining him saying that he’d be considered a gender traitor or something, back in season 2?

oh did he? I must have missed that

R156 I’m not sure now. I was certain he did, but can’t find anything online about his character being gay.

I see dead people.

I wonder how they could explain how Mexico would trade for women like commodities? Wouldn’t that make them just as bad?

R155 he can be a traitor for my gender

R158 When supposedly faced with an infertility epidemic threatening the fate of the human race, as that's the pretext for the need of Handmaids. I'd imagine that much is forgiven by virtue of that context.

When Emily was questioned by the Asylum committee about her Gilead crimes, she should have said “Yes, I’m guilty and my punishment was exile in an irradiated chemically poisoned wasteland.”

Right. She should have included that her sentence to hard labor was technically commuted, because she was returned to Gilead society when all those Handmaids were blown up.

I wonder if her fertility was affected by the radioactivity and chemicals. Not that she’d ever have a child again, not after Gilead. I’m not so sure she’s not going back, to be honest. Viewers will have a heart attack if the refugees get sent back, but Atwood’s epilogue to the original clearly states there were extradition treaties.

Unless...unless...the professor in the epilogue was wrong, and the extraditions were proposed but not carried out. Or, the extraditions were for political prisoners like Fred and Serena. The epilogue is so vague that I guess the show writers can ignore it if they want to, or stage it on a later episode and have other academics challenge his assertions for lack of solid proof.

[quote]r162 Atwood’s epilogue to the original clearly states there were extradition treaties.

They might not have coincided with exactly the time frame the series is covering.

It’s just a waste of time to compare the novel to the series-they’re now on completely different timelines.

There's enough hints that this will go upside down.

The seasons go down two steps then up one step to lead to a future of up three steps. That is, its doom and gloom and in the handmaid's POV (less so in the show) until something breaks through and shows some hope for a much better future.

The scale has just been widening each season.

Gilead will get even darker. Canada will partially give in and make viewers think that there is nowhere to really turn. The resistance will be crushed and hunted down. The hated couple will get some wins and partially reconcile. Then Gilead will find itself in even more shit. Canada will get some balls (or rather international support and internal political upheaval for the better). The resistance will get a big victory. The hated couple will, I dunno, one of them will die or something. June will be come a more public acknowledged leader by end of next season.

Is this where the book was suggesting? Probably not really. But the TV has to up the visual drama. With oft predictable cycles.

At least Emily is married to a Canadian, I think Canada would keep her. But then again, she’s a murderess.

We don’t know yet if Emily’s wife has ended up with somebody else.

Emily DID cheat on her in Gilead, with that Martha. It cost her a clit and the Martha hung for it. The caneface who plays Emily’s wife is hysterical on Veep playing a rigid secret service agent.

[quote]The hated couple will, I dunno, one of them will die or something.

I also think one of them will die by the end of the series. I'm thinking it will be Fred and Serena ends up in some prison for the rest of her life.

Fred will have to die eventually, because the book says he does.

Cream cheese and jam on the actor babies to make them look new born, I always wondered how they do that!

They must squeeze the stuntbabies so they squall like newborns. And threaten their careers if they don't perform well.

it’s seems Gilead has very advanced hospitals, based on the ICU where Ofmatthew was and the NICU where Janine’s baby was, plus the unit where Emily was circumcised. So in a culture that prizes births so much, it’s surprising that they do home births with an Aunt presiding. Unless the Birthmobile parked outside is fully equipped with paramedics, but I doubt it because no one came rushing to resuscitate that stillborn baby.

did they show June’s feet being flogged by Aunt Elizabeth? I didn’t see the entire series, I’m going. backwards viewing but read all the recaps.

Did she scream hard? For mercy? Was Aunt Lydia in attendance? Did she get a thrill from it? Did Aunt Elizabeth? Was it many strikes or just a few? Did they show it? Were there manacles involved ?

R175 Are you a S&M foot fetishist?

never mind. What did they show?

R75 Here’s the recap for the episode with a shot of June’s bandaged bloodied feet, which also says Aunt Lydia delights in seeing her feet whipped until bloody.

of course the SJW authoress of that recap has to be ‘skeptical’ of a post-racial society. If that were to exist, what would she ever write about then? They don’t even want to fantasize such a thing is possible.

Someone commented about Emily's wife.

Clean DuVall is Shelley Duvalls daughter. I agree she is not conventionally pretty, however, I have enjoyed her in the small roles I have seen her in. She has played a lesbian a few times no w, not sure she is one but it doesn't matter.

FYI, I am new here so don't roast me too hard please!

I did not know Clea was Shelley's daughter r180, so thank you for that info.

why doesn’t Clea Duvall help her mother then? Shelley looks likes she’s really suffering

Forgive me but I do not know how to tag posts in comments yet.

181 - I didn't know until I saw an interview or something after Clea did Heroes.

182 - No idea but you are right. Clea did send a HBD Tweet out a few months back to her mom though.

R181 here. Actually r180, you are incorrect.

[quote]Clea DuVall was born in Los Angeles on September 25, 1977, to Rosemary (Hatch) and actor Steph DuVall.

[quote]She is no relation to veteran actors Robert Duvall or Shelley Duvall.

[quote]Forgive me but I do not know how to tag posts in comments yet.

just go to the 'Help' section at the top right to read about post formatting

Still don't know how to tag, sorry!

184 - I am finding that too get I swear I saw her interview about Shelley and wished her "mom" a HBD on Twitter but I can't find it.

Either way, that's my bad for getting the wrong info. Thanks for clarifying, I have been sounding like a moron for years lol

I didn’t realize Clea Duvall played the lady with the glasses in Argo. It was a tiny role but she was pretty good in it, at the time I thought for sure it was Marisa Tomei with good lighting.

R186 All you have to do is put a capital “R” and the number, no space.

[quote]r183 Forgive me but I do not know how to tag posts in comments yet.

You put the word quote within brackets, then r(whatever digits) and past the selected text from OP. You do not have to capitalize the r - - the system will change it for you.

When you double space down to a new paragraph, the quoting format will not travel with it. In other words, you do not have to put /quote within a new set of brackets at the end of a quoted paragraph.

There's a Q&A thread here somewhere, where you can ask about formatting. I googled "datalounge sandbox" but all I got was THIS:

^^ PASTE .... not "past' the selected text from OP.

[R189] & [R188] Thank you so much! I hope this worked!

R187 Oh my! That was her, wasn't it?!

I liked her in But, I'm A Cheerleader.

[quote]r191 Thank you so much! I hope this worked!

You don't have to put brackets around [bold]Rwhatever number[/bold]. The brackets are only if you want to set apart a quote - - in which case you put quote in brackets at the start of a new paragraph, then paste. Putting Rwhatever number before the pasted text will, of course, help people go to the whole post, even if you're just quoting a bit of it.

[quote]r188 All you have to do is put a capital “R” and the number, no space.

A little known secret is it does not have to be a capital R. Just r will do.

you're welcome

r193, Please, stop telling the n00bs how to do what they're too stupid to figure out for themselves. No one who hasn't been here already for, at minimum, a decade is welcome to start posting here. And no one who is not an out member of the LGB community is welcome here at all; this is a gay site create by and exclusively for gay people.

The conversation re: formatting has gone on for centuries, R194. Please stop acting like Hatsumomo in [italic]Memoirs of a Geisha.[/italic]

(Or are you being sarcastic?)

I like this exchange from the above thread:

[quote]So that's how it's done. I was looking all over this site for instructions on how to quote. Don't know why they don't include instructions under the Settings tab.

[quote]Um.. you didn't look very fucking far, now did you? There's this nice fucking HELP link right at the fucking top of every single page, upper right corner. Clear as fucking day. And you apparently have never fucking clicked it in your life. So don't fucking say you "looked all over". You're a fucking blind moron.

I’m kicking this thread to the curb

Perhaps you just need a retraining session at The Center?

R195 Nice pseudo feminist literary tie in with another thread, kudos!

Any serious tie in would include a link:

Atwood justs finished a sequel called The Testaments that takes place 15 years after Handmaid leaves off. TV series in the works.

R201, is that TV series going to be independent from HBO's current "The Handmaid's Tale" series?

Not sure R202. I just saw a blurb and read a brief interview with Atwood. Aunt Lydia is featured though along with 2 other women. Offred's fate is still left to the imagination in the sequel.

[quote]HBO's current "The Handmaid's Tale" series?

Isn't in on Hulu?

Yes, R204.

I just watched this. It was far better than season 2, if only because it got June out of the Waterford's house.