British Royal Family Gossip: Part 86

Some interesting arguments in this post about Harry and Megs.

R1, I thought that was a very polite and nuanced article, avoiding the histrionic comments I've been reading elsewhere. I also can't help but identify with Harry, since I've watched him since he was a young, mischievous child. I've only been acquainted with his wife for a brief time, and wished the best for her and them. Sadly, I feel disappointed. I hope for their sake that they can right their failing boat.

I really think it's too late for them to set things right with the public. I've never seen this level of loathing for a member of the BRF. Not even for Camilla, who was HATED. The thing is much of the UK public think Meghan is cynically taking the BRF for a ride in order to get money and fame, whereas as much as they hated Camilla (on behalf of Diana), they never suspected her of using Charles or the BRF. It was understood by all that Camilla and Charles were really in love.

I even think even after they divorce, the public will still dislike Harry for having married Meghan at all. It's been such an incredible change in such a short period of time in terms of his popularity. It has plummeted so fast, it's shocking.

The only way they can get even a modicum of public approval is if they take themselves off the Sovereign Grant. But H and M would rather put out their eyes with hot pokers than do that, so I only see the situation getting worse and worse.

I think the speed with which the Harkle star has fallen this year has mostly to do with Meghan (who, unfamiliar with the landscape, at least has some excuse) and Harry (who was born into this landscape and therefore has no excuse) underestimating the British public's fondness for things the way they are when it comes to the monarchy, and overestimated the appetite for change.

I don't think either of them has much regard for England (and Scotland, Wales, and NI may as well be Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn to them) and without that affection and sense of intimate ties, they are at a disadvantage here, especially compared to William and Kate, who are quintessentially English and British. Meghan is viewed as an outsider because she acts like an outsider, and Harry can barely conceal his desire to BE an outsider. I think that's why he finally chose her.

That's why there's so much resentment about their perks - they can't even pretend to appreciate the source of their good fortune.

Whoever came up with the "Africa Plan" knew what he was about, and was someone who appreciated the problem early on. Unhappily for the BRF, solving the problem means letting go of Harry, who still wants the perks and privileges of his birth.

The real problem is how to keep Harry and Meghan on the gravy train and pull the wool over the UK taxpayers' eyes that these two deserve their support. I wait with interest to see how the Queen and Charles manage it.

R1 - The article sounds calm and nuanced, but it starts out by repeating things that probably weren't true to start with: the Sussexes didn't "choose" to go to Windsor instead of next door to the Cambridges at Kensington Palace. The expectation of the latter "announced at their engagement" was only press speculation, not an official announcement. By April 2019 it was made clear to the Sussexes that that grand apartment in KP wasn't on offer and all that was on offer was the rundown, undistinguished Frogmore Cottage. They didn't "choose" anything. They took what they were given, and the difference between what they were given compared to what the Cambridges were given was, whether they admit it or not, one of the sources of the resentment between the two couples. It is the Cambridges who are going to get that other grand apartment, to be used as reception rooms and offices for the Cambridge's much larger staff and responsibilities.

So in my view, the article is just another mosaic of previously assumed "facts" that just weren't facts at all.

Articles like these spout this stuff without ever checking into it.

"Questions have been raised over why the Queen allowed the Duke and Duchess to renovate and move into Frogmore Cottage in the first place. The Kensington Palace apartment they were slated to move into would have cost drastically less as it was already up to code with the necessary security arrangements."

This is what I mean: at no time were Harry and Meghan EVER "slated" to move into that huge apartment next to the Cambridges. I think it likely that by the time the Cambridges had spent a few days with Harry and Meghan at Christmas in 2018, they had a pretty good idea of who Harry was marrying, and wouldn't have countenanced it. By April 2019, Meghan had already pissed off the Queen not once, but twice, and everyone was aware that Harry was bringing his very own diva into the family.

Naturally, Meghan and Harry pretended that they couldn't have wished for anything finer than a sole official residence in a boring suburb instead of a grand apartment in a historic Palace in the centre of one of the world's most exciting capitals, in fact NO place of their own in London except a couple of rooms in BP, and no grand country home like the one the Queen gave to the Cambridges.

The idea that they could have had that apartment and turned it down is absurd on its face.

At a minimum, it was never in the cards and the press made assumptions without any basis in fact, and at a maximum, William told the Queen that he didn't want Meghan living next door - and why.

And that's also probably a sore point between the brothers.

Given the French Ambassador's description of the noise, parties, fireworks, etc. that accompanied Sparkle and Dim's lives while they lived at Nottingham Cottage in KP - it seems pretty unlikely that Will, Kate and their 3 children would enjoy having them as neighbors who are right next door and share walls, not to mention have connecting doors.

If the French Ambassador noticed the noise, etc. how much louder and annoying would it all have been to those actually living in KP? Not just the Cambridge family either.

Cause and effect - and off to Frogmore Cottage.

I think they will split off from the royal family even more than now. Now their PR is run by Her Majesty's people, not Kensington Palace which is what they wanted out of and not themselves which is what they thought they'd get. That won't sit well with them for much longer, especially not with herself. If they go semi-royal and take long postings abroad, they'll stay together for a while but Harry is a Windsor-Mountbatten, not a Markle. He doesn't really want a Markle life for his son and the older he gets the more he will long for the comforts and security of the life he's always known. The family he's always known. The brother who is the only one who truly knows what they went through together.

Harry will come home. Megan? No idea but probably not.

'That's the third and fourth time you've mentioned "Adam" in this thread. Maybe you could start a separate thread about this object of your obsession and stop wasting our time.'

The person who keeps posting about Adam and also insinuating that MM is attracted to Jessica Mulroney is none other than the Welp Troll. Everyone in her world is gay. Elsewhere, she posts non stop about Louis Tomlinson, Simon Cowell, Taylor Swift and Shawn Mendes being gay.

'He doesn't really want a Markle life for his son and the older he gets the more he will long for the comforts and security of the life he's always known. The family he's always known. The brother who is the only one who truly knows what they went through together.'

This is hilarious. Harry has said he's happiest travelling. Meghan sees the royal tours as lovely long vacays in exotic places. Expect plenty more of them. Harry is nowhere near as close to William as the crazy fraus here try to make out.

'If the French Ambassador noticed the noise, etc. how much louder and annoying would it all have been to those actually living in KP? Not just the Cambridge family either'

Nottingham Cottage was nowhere near Kate and W's apartment. They wouldn't have heard anything.

Watch and see, R10, when Harry tires of Megan and constantly traveling, he'll come home. It may well take years but I wouldn't think all that many of them. I'll go with seven at the most (and I don't really think it will take that long). Even someone as dim as Hazza is going to figure out that his wife doesn't love him and he's going to leave her.

Harry's always spoken of his years in the Army as the best and freest time of his life. He gave that up to go home and be a full time royal. He'll come home when this is over and he's a bit wiser. His family loves him for himself, in spite of himself, because of himself, and when it comes down to it that's what he wants and needs. He won't find it with Markle, she's all about the Markle.

Someone needs to put these threads out of their misery.

How much do the British taxpayers pay to support Harry and Meghan? I am an American and I have no idea how it works.

R13, How about you put yourself out of your misery and stop opening threads you don't like, you fucking asshole.

R15, honey, there is no R13.

'He won't find it with Markle, she's all about the Markle.'

You're a joke. If she was all about herself she'd never have abandoned her acting career. The soap lasted another four years after she left and the cache of dating H would have given her plenty of other roles.

They've been together over four years and he is still besotted, holding her hand wherever they go. When did cold William ever hold Kate's hand?

'His family loves him for himself, in spite of himself, because of himself, and when it comes down to it that's what he wants and needs.'

You sound ridiculous. He is loved by his family but a wife and child are more important than a brother or grandmother.

Kate has a lot of jewels handed down from the Queen and Princess Diana, love the diamond earrings she wore to the BAFTAS

I see instagram has rolled out disabling the likes on posts that can be seen by others. What will her Stans do now that they can't compare her likes to the other royals. Hilarious!

No more "breaking the internet" for MM.

Really, R20? I can still see all their likes on both accounts.

R20 Priceless. I bet she went on a narc rage when she found that out.

I can picture her now: screaming, tearing up papers, smashing her expensive crockery as Harry sneaks out the back door in a futile attempt to temporarily escape her wrath.

H and M are quite lucky as a sordid scandal involving the BRF is about to explode.

"The Queen’s favorite son has always been useless at best, a liability at worst — boorish, piggish, entitled, greedy and often quite stupid, consorting with ­oligarchs and strongmen for ­personal profit.

On the heels of Epstein’s arrest last week for the sex trafficking of underage girls, the US Appeals Court for the Second Circuit has ruled that 2,000 pages from a 4-year-old defamation suit filed by one of Epstein’s and Andrew’s alleged victims, Virginia Giuffre (née Roberts), are to be unsealed."

Things are getting real for Andrew. Giuffre testified under oath that on three occasions she was forced to have sex with Andrew. The records also show that Andrew entertained Epstein and his pimp girlfriend at Sandringham in 2000. In addition, Epstein assisted Fergie with settling her debts.

I feel badly for the Queen, who is a fine and decent woman. She will be drawn into this, of course.

R7, Except "right next door" would mean 21 rooms away.

R8, I can just see Harry begging William to be allowed back into the fold, a la Connie to her brother Michael when he becomes the Godfather.

Look, unless we see video of Andrew fucking the 17 year old he was pictured with, there's nothing.

Face it. Meghan's continued behavior is a far larger scandal. I know you don't want to believe it, but it's true.

Yesterday CNN showed the clip w Pharrell and the “they don’t make it easy “. They prefaced the clip w mention of her free lodging. Maybe some fan of. These threads works at CNN?

But am curious when the US press will go negative on her.

Andrew was also photographed walking in Central Park with the recently-paroled felon JE, r27.

And FTR, there is no such crime as "sex trafficking of underage girls." The crime is called "child sex trafficking" and "child rape."

News media are themselves owned and controlled by billionaires. The order is out: Avoid using the word "child." It might awaken the unwashed masses.

R24 No one cares about Andrew that much in the UK tbh

Oh no, I believe entirely that Andrew is guilty of being friends with JE and all that that entails. Don't get me wrong.

That's probably why he cleaves to the Queen the way he does. Fine. Put him in jail.

But that doesn't change the fact that Harry and Meghan are now unacceptable as paid members of the BRF.

[quote]But am curious when the US press will go negative on her.

I'm shocked CNN mentioned her accommodations - all the Megstans here seem to be from the USA. That's going to hit her where it hurts so, although I'm not sure they will turn on her, if they do it will be delicious.

Who exactly isn't making it easy? The public? The press? The BRF? The Cambs? The Markles?

I think it's the long-suffering taxpayers who she's referring to. I wonder if she should send the nanny out to the hardware store to buy her a bigger shovel.

The people making it "difficult" to have a 3 million pound (read 5 million dollar) renovation, r33 are the UK taxpayers. That's who's "not making it easy".

They don't make it easy for me.

R29. No he wasn’t that photograph of Prince Andrew and Epstein is from years ago not recently. There is no way in hell Andrew would be seen walking around Central Park with him now.

I’m tired of the Harkles.

Not opening any unidentified crap made by loonies. Thanks anyway.

Surely they MUST be angling for a payout?! She said it TWICE at the event to be sure it would be picked up. They want to profit from fucking off. Quite literally, cannot afford not to do so.

R7 I well remember the days when the visit of the French Ambassador would send the court into turmoil. Much whispering and hiding behind the arras. Then the fellow had the nerve to write a detailed criticism of the King’s Majesty. Now he is reduced to a mere complaining neighbour.

'Face it. Meghan's continued behavior is a far larger scandal. I know you don't want to believe it, but it's true.'

Meghan spending money on her wardrobe/the house (money already agreed by Charles, Harry or HM) is a bigger scandal than a 17 yr old girl testifying Andy hired her for sex? Oh, my sides. You sweet summer child.

"A BUNKER mentality seems to be setting in at Frogmore Cottage, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s Windsor home.

Instead of giggles and gurgles from little son Archie, the air seems thick with “poor me” and royal paranoia." "

R35, the renovation has taken place and the skies have not fallen. The tax payers pay 60p a year each to maintain the royals and most of them either think they are excellent value for money, or don't think about them at all.

Princess Beatrice showing off her figure in the surf whilst on vacation

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If you say so, r43

Spotted on Insta, Beatrice and Edo at Ed Tangs wedding celebrations in Tuscany.

I'm assuming that the Queen and/or Prince Charles will do with Ginger what George VI did with the Duke of Windsor. Ship him off somewhere so that he will be out of sight/mind of the Brit public and pay him a comfortable retainer so that he keeps his mouth shut. I don't factor Megs in because I don't believe she'll be around much past this time next year.

Vis-a-vis his mouth, does no one remember his blurting out that "no one in the royal family wants to be king or queen"?

R35 I can think of far better places for each of those 60p payments to go.

Early start for Princess Anne, today, as she has four engagements to fulfill.

This is how it should be done. Without hype.

So meaningful, lol

R43 What part of all this are you struggling to understand?

No, the skies have not fallen - and nobody said they would.

But the fact remains that a multi-multi-millionaire expected the tax-payers to pick up the extraordinarily exorbitant cost of his house renovation (you can build an estate of houses in the UK for less than was forked out on this ONE house) and yet expresses distaste at sharing even normal details about his child’s birth and christening in return.

You are absolutely deluded if you think the UK public are fine with this. We’re not, and why should we be?

That Sun article is illuminating. Press & photographers who have been following Harry for years say that they have never seen him looking so unhappy. I’ve read the same thing in multiple places. Pretty much proves that they are putting on the “so in love..look we’re holding hands and everything” crap for the cameras. Which is obvious to everyone except the Mills & Boon devotees that keep falling for their crap.

However, Mr Myers gave his opinion that the blunders arise form the royal pair not following their PR briefs from the Palace.

He continued: “It seems like they’re careering from one disaster to another.

“People I’m speaking to who are close to the Sussexes and close to the household are saying that they just don’t take advice.

“That is major problem for them."

He said: “In terms of the goodwill towards them, they don’t want to be extinguishing it every single time there’s an event."

“I’m afraid they need to really realise where they are in the world, and you can’t switch [privacy] on and off when you want."

Meghan is a nightmare.

R41 you need to take out the history books and start reading the history of the royal family and the scandals over the years. We've been through all this in 2015 nothing was proven, so until then the jury is out until something else is uncovered, which may never happen. Accusations require proof in a court of law.

Andrew is known to pal with shady as fuck figures and yes it makes news in Britain but no one cares much. He does his job and doesn't demand exorbitant amounts of money or crazy demands for privacy.

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I really like Eugenie’s dress. Suits her.

Just saw this for the first time - wow - Meghan gets in front of Queen Elizabeth and gets in the car first. Cutting in front of a 92-year-old woman would be rude enough in and of itself, let alone the fact that this woman is her husband‘s grandmother and the Queen of England. Wow.

The reaction from the man who is holding her majesty’s blanket is priceless.

It’s bizarre to me that anyone could think Meghan being a self-absorbed user or having bad taste in clothes is a bigger scandal than Prince Andrew. Maybe it will be clearer once the sealed documents are released later today. Andrew is much closer to the Queen and the stuff he’s involved in is a literal crime.

[quote] It’s bizarre to me that anyone could think Meghan being a self-absorbed user or having bad taste in clothes is a bigger scandal than Prince Andrew.

The vast majority of posters interested in Meghan Markle lack a sense of proportion or awareness of how the world works.

R58 Watch the Queen's right hand holding the flowers. She used it to gesture for Megs to get into the car first.

Haha.

R59 So, you’ve had a look inside the sealed dossier, have you? Interesting that you seem to know what it says.

Markle is not a scandal at all. She’s fucking annoying and very disliked - but a “scandal”? No.

I think the Grey Men are using Meghan and Harry's petty venal sins as a distraction from Andrew's literal crimes. It wouldn't be the first time those in power have used that tactic.

R14 - The Sovereign Grant which is funded by UK taxes supports the costs for "official" work done (allegedly) on behalf of the monarchy and the country. Those costs include security, upkeep on "official residences", staff related to official work (such as Communications and PR staff, secretaries, aides, royal protection officers), and a "wardrobe" allowance that (also allegedly) covers clothing needed for "official" duties such as foreign tours, etc. That means that (allegedly) only clothing used for "official" events by Meghan and Kate can be covered by that wardrobe allowance. The Sovereign Grant is also replenished by any revenue generated by the Crown Estates: real estate and landholding owned neither by the State nor the monarchy personally, but that are overseen by the government. An example would be revenues generated by tourists paying to see public portions of Buckingham Palace, Hampton Court, Frogmore House (not Frogmore Cottage where the Sussexes live), Windsor Castle, etc.

In addition, Prince Charles, who also inherited the Duchy of Cornwall, receives about 20 million pounds annually from its revenues, and out of this provides each of his sons with a substantial "supplement" to their regular income to cover things that (allegedly) are not covered by the Sovereign Grant. In other words, it is really Charles, not Harry, who has paid for those "refurbishments and interior decorations" to Frogmore Cottage, not as state "by the couple themselves" and who is also paying for Meghan's unnecessarily extravagant wardrobe.

The Queen paid personally for the renovations to the Cambridge's country home, the 10-bedroom Georgian building, Anmer Hall, because it is on the Sandringham estate, which she owns personally, and therefore could not stick the UK taxpayers with the bill.

R44, Bea is vast with saggy tits covered in stretch marks. And uglies here have the audacity to criticise MM's pre baby body!

Logic is not a skill of yours, is it, R66?

Why would Bea having a less than sylph-like figure mean people have no right to point out Markle’s flaws?

At least Bea is natural until your plastic idol - who WOULD have saggy tits if she hadn’t paid to get them fixed.

R48, Prince Charles has been a thousand times more controversial and antagonistic by cheating on Diana and divorcing her than Harry has been by getting married to an American. Harry will be the monarch's son soon, with plenty of property, privileges and tours abroad. He and M have already poached the luxury tour to South Africa, while W and K slum it in terrorist infested Pakistan.

In the eyes of the anti Meghan loons, MM asking for privacy at two events is worse than Andrew associating with a pedophile and hiring a 17 year old prostitute! They really are bizarre people.

R48 - There's a difference: Edward VIII wasn't "shipped off" - he left because he had abdicated his throne and knew he couldn't marry Wallis Simpson and stay in England. He felt pretty much about England the way Harry does, so it wasn't much of a hardship. But Harry is the sixth in line and Edward was the Heir to the Throne and then King. When WWII broke out, then Edward and Wallis were "shipped off" to Bermuda, as their pro-Fascist sympathies and feckless behaviour made them a risk anywhere near Europe.

And, Edward, as the former King, left Britain with a great deal more than Harry as the sixth in line could expect to leave with, just as Diana left the BRF with a hugely larger settlement than Sarah Ferguson did (although it's likely that Andrew is still supporting his ex-wife to a large extent).

I wouldn't bet on La Markle being gone by this time next year. She has to have a second baby quickly given her age, and by now she's found out that without Charles' annual funding and the UK taxpayers to underwrite the lifestyle she married Harry to enjoy, the luxurious homes, clothes, vacations, staff, jewellery, etc., her husband's real cash income (about $400,000 annually, interest revenue from his trust fund, the principal of which he never touches, and that is also subject to standard UK taxes) wouldn't remotely cover said lifestyle.

So, no, for at least three more years, she's going to grin and bear not being particularly adored in Britain the way she imagined, the constant hounding of the UK press, which detests her, whilst collecting every last shred of designer clothing and jewellery she can lay her hands on. And lastly, she has to wait for her UK citizenship to become finalised, because until that happens, her HRH Duchess of Sussex title is a courtesy, not a right by marriage.

That means that if Meghan is divorced before becoming a UK citizen, that HRH title disappears the moment the ink is dry on the decree nisi, and she doesn't have it to trade for a better settlement in divorce negotiations - she'd lose it in any event. If she waits until it is hers by right of marriage and not just a courtesy, she can use surrendering the HRH as a bargaining chip, not least because if Harry wanted to marry again, there would be the risk of two Duchesses of Sussex floating about, so he would be anxious to avoid that. He wouldn't have to worry about that if they divorce before she's a UK citizen, the title would automatically disappear, and his solicitors could tie settlement amounts to her agreement not to present or call herself as Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, a la Diana and Fergie - allowed to retain the courtesy titles of Princess and Duchess but not HRHs.

Don't expect to see Meghan disappearing any time soon. That's only possible if Harry suddenly turns on her and knowing full well the potential for two HRH Duchesses of Sussex, rushes through a divorce and shafts her royally. The only other possibility is Harry agreeing with Meghan to leave leave the BRF together, in which case, a family negotiation re titles and settlements (which will mean, of course, Charles) will take place.

But I don't think Harry will turn on her; the more likely possibility is Harry resigning his place in the line of succession, which would probably necessitate surrendering his ducal title but retaining his HRH Prince Henry of Wales status, turning Meghan from HRH the Duchess of Sussex to HRH Princess Henry, but no longer in any way representing the interests of the monarchy or Great Britain.

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Bea’s bikini top in R44 is struggling to contain those sourh-seeking tits. Hope she doesn’t want kids because those tits and thighs will never recover from pregnancy. Sporty, lithe bodies are appreciated by younger men in Bea’s age group and men so it’s bodies like those of Miley Cyrus, Kendall Jenner, and Gal Gadot not Christina Hendricks. People may look at big tits and “curvy” hips but when you see Bea or celebs like Hendricks in swimsuits you realize shapewear and clothes create the illusion. Bea needs to stick to one/piece and invest in some industrial strength bras. Still, her figure is curvy with defined waist unlike Meghan’s oddly shaped body that also looks like overweight middle age woman who’s in peri-menopause as opposed to a fit 38-year-old.

Edo is short and slightly build, I don’t find him hot at all and if Bea ballons up as she’ll do at some point in near future, there’s no escaping her fat genes, he’ll look even more slight and dainty next to her.

If Harry really resents England and Royal life so much, he should have stuck with Chelsy Davy. When she inherited her half of her father's money and his 800,000 acres in Zimbabwe, Harry could have told the BRF to fuck off for good. As it is, he's stuck unless he and Meghan can negotiate some kind of leaving settlement. Even then, it won't be half as good as what Chelsy will inherit.

$3miilion renovations with more to come. $5000 bathtubs and ugly dresses -- don't underestimate thd tipping point of the citizenry.

R68 Once again you need this pointing out to you?

Pakistan needs a safe pair of hands. SA doesn’t. The Cambridges aren’t “slumming it”, you ignorant twat - they are doing their job. No one would trust the SuckSex’s with anything that needs real diplomacy.

Jeez.

Edo the grifter is really taking poor stupid Bea for a ride. What woman would consider a relationship (and getting pregnant) with a cad who bailed on his partner and 1 year old child?

Edo is a far worse example of social climbing than MM. He is probably still fucking his gorgeous ex on the side, during his visits with his son.

Crap PR is back at it. Sussex getting their money's worth, they are.

R70 She’ll lose the HRH automatically if they divorce, whether she’s a British citizen or not. Like Fergie did.

I don't think MM gives a damn about the royal titles. When the dust settles, she will head back to LA , buy a lovely home in the Hollywood Hills with her settlement/child support (Harry is independently wealthy and will have to pay a sizable amount of child support) and ghost write a series of best sellers about the BRF and divulge all sorts of secrets. She will be a hit on the talk shows, where she will play up being victimized by the BrF/British as a woman of color.

Harry and Meghan are here for the free houses and the tours. They will continue to tour as much as possible. They won't divorce. Charles will become king and give them a spacious apartment at KP or BP.

Quite hilariously, Ian Ratcliffe, the Project Manager for the renovation project at FrogCott, in his application to the local council for changes to oriignal plans to the landscaping )see today's DM), refers in the application to Archie as a "royal prince" (as in, making FrogCott a wonderful place in which to raise a royal prince) which, in fact, Archie isn't. He's not royal at all: he's the son of royals but not royal himself without that HRH, and he isn't even using his subsidiary and nonroyal title, Earl Dumbarton.

I wonder if the Sussexes declined to have their son use his father's subsidiary title because of the obvious rude uses the somewhat unfortunately named title lends itself to.

[quote]Meghan and Harry's petty venal sins

Some people have lost their heads because of petty venal sins like these.

Playboy Prince 'bowled American women over' during Royal Navy shore leave.

Royal biographer reveals Duke of York's antics in Florida during his bachelor days.

R25 - No, it wouldn't.

They don't live in ranch houses that are all on one floor.

Those apartments are at least 4 stories.

And those 2 apartments (Apartments 1 and 1A) were all originally one huge apartment that belonged to Princess Margaret. So, yes, they are much, much closer since they share a wall on multiple floors. Much closer than Nottingham Cottage is to the residence of the French Ambassador. Much closer to any noisy parties.

Actually, the other residences of KP (including the Cambridge family) would have been experiencing the same noise (only much closer to home) than the French Ambassador experienced.

R79 - Oh, yes, she does give a damn about titles: that's what she married Harry for. She probably thought he was independently wealthy, too - but whilst he is on paper, he isn't in practical reality. His trust fund is tied up so that he can only use the revenue, which gives him an annual income on a level with a highly successful QC solicitor or barrister in a prestigious firm, or an equivalent banker or private doctor. Without Charles's money, Meghan wouldn't be wearing the clothes she does now or living in a four million quid home.

Chalres had to liquidate most of his personal investment portfolio to pay Diana's divorce settlement. When his younger brother got divorced, Fergie got much, much less than Diana.

Harry is sixth in line. The BRF isn't going to pay Meghan off, Harry is going to be on the hook unless his father steps in and humiliates Harry further by helping pay her off. But if they leave Harry to his financial fate, Meghan Markle isn't going to get what Diana got and whilst the child support will be generous and include paying for schooling, the lump sum is not going to be enough to get her a multimillion dollar mansion in Beverly Hills, allow her to spend a million bucks a year on clothes, etc. And if they strip her of her title, just Meghan Markle is not going to hold the public's interest for long, because the only thing that was interesting about her was that she snagged a royal and became a Duchess.

When she goes back to being Meghan Markle trying to trade on her past, it isn't going to work for long.

Gayle King's special on her only got five million viewers, and that's whilst she was still a royal duchess. That programme failed to attract more than a yawn in America, for all Meghan is American.

She's just not Grace Kelly, although she wishes she were, just as she isn't Audrey Hepburn or Diana Spencer.

As the poet said, “O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!"

CAUSING A STIR Women complain they’re being flashed by men at private members’ club with the Queen as its patron.

R58–looks to me that HM instructed M to get in first.

'When she goes back to being Meghan Markle trying to trade on her past, it isn't going to work for long.'

She won't divorce him, but if she did, she would be A List and up there with Beyonce and the Clooneys. Being married to Harry and being an actress combine to make her very interesting, as you fraus demonstrate endlessly.

Kylie Jenner made a billion off the back of her sister's sex tape and a reality show. Meghan and her royal offspring have a lot more clout and leverage than that.

And yes, the Americans do see Archie as royal, whether or not he goes by HRH or Dumbarton.

Kylie Jenner is 21 with a fanbase of a similar age.

Markle is pushing 40 and women of that age are well over fangirling by then.

But it IS Megs being married to Ginger that generates all the interest. Megs divorced from Ginger is reduced to an uninteresting grifter and attention whore.

Nah R88 don't buy it.

Her actions are turning people off right and left.

She exhausting the goodwill she had when she popped up on the radar.

And also what R89 and R90 say.

R89, she's the same age as Kim Kardashian, who has millions of fangirls.

It wouldn't be hard for he RF to ensure that Markle's reputation was in tatters, post-divorce.

So much so, she would be avoided like the plague.

I agree R88, except that she may not be given any choice in whether there’s a divorce. I simply don’t believe the “Harry adores her” narrative at all.

But the idea that “without a title she won’t hold the public’s interest for long” is absolutely ridiculous.

She DID snag a royal and she DID give birth to one - job done. She doesn’t have to stay married to Harry to retain interest in her, unfortunately.

'But it IS Megs being married to Ginger that generates all the interest. Megs divorced from Ginger is reduced to an uninteresting grifter and attention whore.'

You silly woman. She's the first American to marry a major role. She's biracial. Her son will be the British monarch's grandson. The American A List love all that and they admire hustle. They don't gaf about her spending 3m on renovations or sitting in the wrong place at Wimbledon.

That would make her more interesting, R94.

'It wouldn't be hard for he RF to ensure that Markle's reputation was in tatters, post-divorce.

So much so, she would be avoided like the plague.'

Really? Like Diana was avoided, once everyone knew about her bulimia, her affair, her mental illness, self harming, suicide attempts? She was still adored.

Unless Meghan was proved to be an actual criminal, there's nothing she could do to turn the US A List against her.

Big difference between eating disorders and what they potentially have on MM.

You're way overestimating Megs appeal, especially outside of England. Five or so years after their divorce, we'll all be sitting around here wondering what ever happened to that American that was married to Prince Harry? Meghan what's her name?

R99 You mean like everyone’s wondering what happened to that redhead? Whatshername.....Ferdie?

Absurd.

This is their future, nothing more, nothing less.

'Five or so years after their divorce, we'll all be sitting around here wondering what ever happened to that American that was married to Prince Harry?'

Nope. Her fans and the media will still be fascinated by her and Archie, and any future offspring.

The only thing that will sustain Meghan's public profile if the Sussex's divorce is via scandal. The divorce will have to be acrimonious and Bean will have to be spilling beans about the BRF from her diary that she's keeping (from her POV of course). Then she'll paint herself as the victim of the family as well as the racist public. That's her only way out of the bad publicity and decrease in stature post-divorce. She'll still be able to go to ritzy charitable functions and hobnob with rich and famous, but she won't have the same laser-like focus on her as official member of BRF e.g. she won't be the official "esteemed, honor guest" of every function. But if she finds a rich, older man who's able to keep her in grander lifestyle and without pretense of doing humanitarian "work" then I think she'd be happier than she is now. She can go to a few glamorous charity balls a year then spend rest of the time in exotic locales or in Paris, London, NYC shopping up a storm. Raising Archie will also keep her name in the public eye IF the relationship with Harry remains bad post-divorce.

R58, to be fair, I think she might've been thing she should get in first and scoot over, as the Queen wouldn't be scooting.

R58 and R104

Another example of Sparkle not following protocol.

Just as she always, since the beginning, has always walked into official engagements in front of Harry. Bad protocol. And silly. She should hang back and let him lead because he is the more experienced at this job and the people they are going to meet expect to see him first.

The video R58 mentions was at her first, much heralded visit to Chester with the Queen. Also there, clearly visible, seated behind Sparkle, was the long time aide of the Queen who was asked to help Sparkle acclimatize herself with the ways of "The Firm".

Part of that is the fact, frequently reported, that the Queen likes to sit behind the driver of the car. People know this. People who are hoping to see her pass by know this. Sparkle would have been told. Either she doesn't listen or doesn't care or always thinks she is the most important and should go first.

This was her first big engagement without Harry, back when people still thought that she was just inexperienced.

It's been obvious for quite some time that she just doesn't care and doesn't want to get it.

The A-list care about money and fame. If Meghan doesn't have much money from the divorce settlement and can't figure out a wait to sustain public interest (which will be much harder without an HRH or direct Royal connection), she won't keep her A-list friends. The Kardashians have TV shows, make-up lines, and runway careers to keep the hype going, and Mama Kris supervises the whole business with cunning and aplomb. Meghan is no Mama Kris.

She will always have a “direct royal connection”. She’ll be the mother of the King’s grandson (once HM goes), ffs.

There is so much rubbish on these threads.

Like it or lump it, Markle is going to be part of the public consciousness for a long time to come....married to Harry or not.

I'm just chuckling about the "US A-list " i did not get the notification about this A-list as it pertains to me.

R29, CNN called Epstein’s victims “underage women”!

Of course when it’s a 19-year old black male who’s been the victim of police violence, he’s a “child”.

R106, I’m sure Heather Mills has a fair bit of money. And she was married to rock and roll royalty. And she was quite active in philanthropy and charity.

Where is SHE now?

R87 Only after Meghan asked to go first. Her Majesty was being polite.

The head-whip by the person holding the Queen’s car blanket and his ‘Are you okay with this?’ expression says it all.

Some people possess a natural sensitivity and tact, which allows them to read people’s tone of voice and body language and understand the nonverbal messages that are being sent. Other people hit the books and study royal protocol. Some people do neither...

I’ve said it before about that car clip.

Markle reminds me of a work acquaintance who grew up in a very poor, trashy family. She was famous at work for shoving people out of the way to get to the bathroom, a buffet lunch, wherever she was headed. Just always in a state of low level, rabid frenzy. It was so disgusting and off putting.

This is so dumb. The queen frequently rides with another person, going to church at Balmoral for instance. So how does it work (when car is parked with driver's side facing the crowd)? Other person gets in car while queen is still waving and saying goodbye? Other person walks around to other side of car to get in? Other person waits for queen to get in and then climbs over her??

Apparently Her Majesty likes to sit directly behind the driver.

No worries. We're not going to have to watch Sparkles dithering around the queen's car again. Ever.

Oh, grow a clue, R110. “Rock royalty” is not royalty, dear. And Heather Mills was so hated she retreated.

You think Markle is going to do that? You think the media will let her?

Your dislike is bordering on psychotic. She’s famous now....a much bigger deal than Heather Mills ever was. It will be many years before she disappears, if she ever does. Get over it.

I can recall a lot of clips of Camilla after she and Charles married where she never seemed to know what to do with herself while in public with the other royals.

R115 - Oh, yes, you are: have you forgotten the Queen invited Meghan up to Balmoral this year the weekend of Meghan's birthday because she so adores Meghan and Harry? They'll be riding together to Craithie Church.

R29, By "recently paroled" I meant then, contemporaneously, not now.

I meant r37.

No, r48, I don't. I do remember Harry once saying that if William didn't want to be King, he, Harry, would take the throne.

Prince Andrew and Trump are pals.

Prince Andrew being friendly with Trump at Trump's recent visit to the U.K.

Prince Andrew likes Ivanka Trump too.

'No worries. We're not going to have to watch Sparkles dithering around the queen's car again. Ever'

You are so funny with your dramatic pronouncements. You also thought she wouldn't live at FC or appear in public again after TTC.

Andrew and Trump bonded over their love of escorts.

[quote] If she waits until it is hers by right of marriage and not just a courtesy, she can use surrendering the HRH as a bargaining chip, not least because if Harry wanted to marry again, there would be the risk of two Duchesses of Sussex floating about, so he would be anxious to avoid that.

No, she cannot use the title as a bargaining chip.

Honours in the UK - including styles and titles - flow from the Sovereign.

Megantoinette has no title. She was not created Duchess of Sussex in her own right. She has courtesy titles that flow through her husband. When she is no longer he wife she no longer retains the privilege of taking the feminine extension of his title.

There will not be two Duchesses of Sussex. That is the title. It is a courtesy to the wife of the Duke of Sussex. After divorce, by convention, she can call herself Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, so long as she remains unmarried. But the wife of the Duke of Sussex is the only women entitled to be called Duchess of Sussex.

[quote]Like it or lump it, Markle is going to be part of the public consciousness for a long time to come....married to Harry or not.

Yes, she will. Like Sarah Ferguson. Human clown car.

Who has books about royalty to recommend? I just read Guarding Diana, by her former policeman. It'sfascinating. Makes you realize the woman who we mourned in 1997 was an idealized myth. The real woman was complex, complicated, emotional, impulsive and capable, frequently, of being damned difficult. Yet you can forgive a lot because you realize at the core the heart was genuine. Still, she was a handful.

Princess Beatrice and Eugenie attempt to explain to their Aunt, Princess Anne, why they are unable to work.

This book. Was banned in U.K. Funny weird tales about housekeepers finding Andrew's dirty JO tissues on the floor all around his bed the morning after. And overhearing Diana yelling "Fuck off Charles!". Must read.

Can you deliver and summarize a few of the juicier bits for us here r131? would give us a happy gossip break from the endless Sussex discussion.

R129 - Robert Lacey's "Majesty". Sally Bedell-Smith's "Diana in Search of Herself". Tina Brown, "The Diana Chronicles". "The Diaries of Sir Henry ("Chips") Channon (see related DL thread on same although they are not strictly speaking only about royalty). "Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother" by Penelope Mortimer (bitchy and biased but a good read). If you want the older stuff in a much older voice, see if you can get your hands on "Thatched with Gold" by Mabell, Countess of Airlie. I think Amazon has one hardcover copy.

I liked Lady Colin Campbell's book, "Diana in Private." It was the first one to read her bead and warn of trouble, I think even before the Morton book.

R132 - I will find some part in the book and post here tomorrow. A bit late for me right now!

R131

R127, I thank you for that. I need other people to keep me informed in these threads.

R110 is spot on. Heather Mills was picked from the complete unknown and foisted into prominence and fame with her marriage to Paul McCartney. When the marriage dissolved, Heather Mills returned to the complete unknown greatly assisted by her very negative public image.

Megs will be the same.

People will tire of Markle's incessant dramas.

I predict a culmination point: something unnerving will be exposed. She is shameless - and ultimately attempts to warp reality around her (like someone else we all know, but I digress...) - and eventually one step too far will result in her downfall off the cliff.

There will be surrounding BRF drama, as the Brits and World grapple with the revelation. Markle always intimated she wanted to shake up the monarchy. She will do just that. And since she is now part of the monarchy, what she has yet to discern is that doing so will also be to HER detriment.

R97 Diana was loved because she had worked tirelessly as the Princess of Wales for 15 years, she did incredible charity work, for example working with AIDS victims taking away the stigma attached to the disease. She went to countless boring events that was part of her job as well, she didn't diss the British people or the British media, in fact we all know she was in cahoots with them when she needed them. She was beloved by the British people and she gave back to them too.

MM has been in the RF for 5 mins. She spends all the money and gives nothing back, the British people can't stand her. She acts like a celebrity, witness her behaviour at Wimbledon. Diana would never have done that because at the end of the day she was the daughter of an Earl and had class.

There is no comparison between the two.

R137 Don’t be stupid.

Did millions and millions of people all over the world watch Mills get married? Was she on the cover of endless magazines everywhere? Was she in the newspapers every day?

No.

There are some seriously thick twats on this thread.

R137 You're obviously not British

R64 are you really that thick? have you ever heard of defamation law in Britain and how it differs from the USA? Do you understand the concept of having to prove something for it to be fact? Are some people on this board that sad that they believe the RF is controlling the Press with diversions? Do you actually believe that all the British press is pro-monarchy and will do what ever they want? Do you really believe that Rupert Murdoch will do anything the Queen wants? LOL

Are you aware it is 2019 not 1619?

Grow up and get a clue.

R95

Wallis Simpson was American.

R143 That fairytale didn't end well

Never underestimate the fickleness of the curious. Nor how quickly their curiosity wanes and dies.

For those of you who've "Liked" me when I posted these links, here's you daily dose of humor re the many RULES Lion King stars & celebs were given way in advance of meeting MM.

'Here's you daily dose of humor re the many RULES Lion King stars & celebs were given way in advance of meeting MM.'

You imbecile. Do you really think Danja Zone knows anything about the 'many rules' the celebs were given? She makes it all up, you credulous fool. She's probably never stepped foot in the UK. She's trailer trash with an accent to match.

R147 = Genius who must resort to calling strangers childish names because he/she lacks the intellect for a sensible discussion. Did you ever stop to think that Danja Zone was obviously emailed a copy of the RULES from multiple stars' assistants? More than one celeb is quoted in her video.

Furthermore she provides photo evidence to back up her major points such as the true elite are strictly forbidden to initially look her in the eye.

R148, you have an inferior, exceptionally porous brain which has soaked up the most preposterous theories from this Danja joker.

Danja doesn't know any celebs or celeb assistants, you suggestible woman. She is a mentally ill person who thinks Harry and Wills shapeshift into lizards. She has ZERO genuine connections, just an overactive imagination.

These "rules" have actually been backed up by persons on that yellow-not-red carpet. So whatever you think of the Youtuber, the rules were actually sent out, before the premiere.

In your defence, though, the Youtuber has lifted it from the interviews in the press.

But yes, those "rules" were in play.

Yet, Madam can't stick to anyone else's rules and protocol yet has the bloody nerve to insist palace officials send out her own list, pre-engagement.

Get back on a plane to Tonga, ho, and curtsey to their goddam Queen.

And let your waster of a druggy husband at least walk first. That's protocol.

R148, please provide evidence of the cast curtseying to Meghan. I'll wait.

Beyonce and Elton John kissed and hugged Meghan, so your rules are BS.

While Beyoncé might be American royalty, the "Lion King" cast still had to follow protocol upon meeting Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan Markle.

Disney's "Lion King" held its European premiere in London on Sunday, where Harry and Meghan walked their first red carpet as a couple. The star-studded movie cast, including Beyoncé, Seth Rogen, Billy Eichner and more, were all in attendance as they awaited the royal couple.

“You’re given a lot of protocol to follow which is unusual,” Rogen revealed during a recent appearance on UK’s This Morning. “Respect their personal space. They’re the only people I’ve met who come with protocol so that was interesting. And then I think what we were trying to gauge is how many people were following the protocol and how strict the protocol is.”

“I assume you get put in the Tower Of London if it all goes wrong. I’ve got to think of the repercussions. I’d like to come back here one day,” he added.

Eichner, who plays Timon in the live action film, explained, "like Seth said, they tell you you’re supposed to say your Royal Highness, you can’t speak until your hands are locked together in a handshake and all these crazy things, and I didn’t know how much you were supposed to follow that so I started panicking. We were watching what our friend Keegan [Keegan-Michael Key] did and he did none of the protocol either and just kind of nodded his head, then it all fell apart.”

The "Billy on the Street" host took to his Instagram to share a video of his nerves upon meeting the royals.

"Caught on video last night completely freaking out to @sethrogen about how to greet Prince Harry and Meghan," he captioned the clip. During the premiere, Duchess Meghan was reportedly overheard telling Pharrell, who produced several songs for "The Lion King," that royal life isn't 'easy.'

R152, even stricter rules apply to Kate and Wills. Beyonce and Elton broke the rules straight away, anyway, and Meghan was delighted.

Our laugh for today!

I'm watching "Inside Windsor Castle" on 5 Select, (Series 1, Episode 1) and I've not seen it before.

Worth looking out for it on My5, or whatever their latest catch-up service is.

“THE CONSORT : a Romantic Fantasy” By Anthony Heckstall-Smith

Fictionalized account of Prince Philip and royal life in the 1950’s. Publication suppressed in the UK - the book was eventually published in the US in 1965.

R155 I think that it's in episode 1 where a younger Queen (60ish?) is shown going all Miss Ross on one of her protection officers. As she exits the car, followed by Phil, you can clearly read her heated lips tell the man "WHEN I SAY MOVE, YOU MOVE! NOW MOVE!!" I was delighted.

R142, I think the Grey Men are quite capable of leaking select stories about Meghan and Harry to favored journalists in order to create a diversion away from Andrew. In rhetoric that's called a red herring, and it's used all the time in the media. It doesn't mean they control the media, but the media loves that kind of chum thrown its way. If you don't understand that, you're the thick one.

I am not a fan of Meghan or Harry, but at worst they are, as I said, petty and venal. Andrew's rumored crimes are much more serious and would rebound on the BRF in a much more serious way. I think those in charge of keeping the institution going would be more than happy to sacrifice two minor royal lambs in order to keep the herd safe.

Here it is at the 19:33 mark in the video "MOVE!"

We'll do what we want with no care to the world.

R160 Harry looks sad and disappointed

R158 And you think Harry & Meghan would just sit there and accept being “thrown to the wolves”?

I am pretty sure any journalist on any paper would quite happily have an off-the-record chat with Harry about Uncle Andrew.

I think the people leaking stories about them do so because they can’t stand them. Simple as that.

The difference, R162, is that the stories about Meghan and Harry are about annoying, entitled actions, not criminal ones. I'm sure they don't like being the target of such negative press attention, even though their own actions, like Meghan's behavior at Wimbledon, leave them vulnerable to it. However, it's not putting them in any real danger: Meghan is already disliked, and these stories are just confirming people's existing negative opinions. Meghan and Harry COULD fight back with stories about Andrew, assuming Harry knows any (there's no particular reason why he would have seen Andy fucking 16-year-olds, though I suppose he could pass on gossip). But the blowback from the BRF if Harry accuses his uncle of criminal behavior would be fierce, and Granny and Daddy still hold the purse strings.

Harry and Meghan could protect themselves from the leaks if they'd just behave better, but it's clear that isn't going to happen.

Deal Memorial Bandstand Trust Memorial Day ~ The Event Harry Should Have Chosen.

New Harry Markle post.

R134 - I would add that to the list I provided. It was quite shrewdly observedly, unlike her later book which veered into fantasy and totally unsupported rumour. And very enjoyable.

R163 Your theory doesn’t make sense.

There is either evidence that PA “fucked 16 year olds” or there isn’t. If there is there’s nothing the palace can actually do to quash that. America owes the BRF precisely nothing. What do you think the “men in grey suits” are actually going to do? Break into evidence lockers? Assassinate teen prostitutes? Pay off prosecutors?

No amount of “Meghan is an entitled twat” stories are going to divert anybody’s attention from a scandal that serious.

I don’t know what Andrew did or didn’t do...but I am absolutely certain that whatever happened left no trail of evidence which is why he’s not even being mentioned in the latest case against Epstein.

You watch too many Movies Of The Week.

Pissed off staff & former friends are dropping these damaging stories....they are not the result of top secret high-level meetings of courtiers, twirling their moustaches and plotting Machiavellian schemes to “throw people to the wolves”.

Ridiculous nonsense.

R162, good point. Meghan and H have done nothing criminal. A story about her lavish wardrobe will never overshadow Andrew being charged with hiring teenage prostitutes.

R127 - I don't think you're right. Sarah Ferguson retained the title Sarah, Duchess of York after her divorce, even though she lost the right to call herself HRH The Duchess of York, ditto Diana. Had Andrew decided to remarry, yes, there would have been two duchesses: one Sarah, Duchess of York and one HRH The Duchess of York. Of course, the second wife could revert to Andrew's subsidiary Scottish title, Earl of whatever, but that would make the second wife "less than".

It is the Duke's title that flows from the Sovereign, not the Duchess's; the wife gets her title from the husband. Legally, Meghan Markle does not have the automatic right to call herself HRH The Duchess of Sussex because she isn't a UK citizen, emphasis on the phrase "automatic". They are calling her that out of courtesy. Had she been a UK citizen, the title would have been hers by right of marriage, not just courtesy. The Queen only made Harry Duke of Sussex; Meghan was made Duchess of Sussex only by marrying Harry.

Once Meghan is a UK citizen, she would automatically retain her title eve after a divorce - unless she voluntarily surrenders the title as part of the deal OR the Queen issues Letters Patent declaring that henceforth the erstwhile Duchess shall be known and titled Ms Meghan Markle, in what will look like a deliberate humiliation and not reflect too well on her grandson. The Queen is not going to interfere in her grandson's divorce in so tawdry a manner.

If Meghan's title isn't removed via through divorce negotations, Harry would be facing exactly the prospect of two Duchesses of Sussex if he remarries. That's probably one reason Andrew didn't remarry - it wasn't as if he couldn't find comfort outside of marriage, and he also remained bonded with and fond of his ex-wife. If Harry divorces in anger and hate and is still on the sunny side of his mid-40s, remarriage would be more likely.

The prospect of divorcees with royal titles was one of the reasons the BRF deprived Wallis Simpson of the HRH through Letters Patent issued by King George VIl, rendering Wallis, although married to an HRH, only Her Grace the Duchess of Windsor. With two divorces behind her, the BRF had no reason to suppose her third marriage would last, and didn't want to risk the possibility of a third-time divorced Wallis Simpson floating around Europe with an HRH, and what if Edward wanted to marry again?

So, yes, the dilemma of the Two Duchesses, one an HRH and one not, is a real possibility and the Queen isn't going to do anything so mercilessly humiliating, especially to the first mixed race entrant to the royal family at the high up a level, as issue Letters Patent depriving the woman of a title she has right to, regardless of her marital status. Instead, enormous pressure, likely financial and homes, will be brought to bear on Meghan in the event of a divorce to drop it.

Unless, of course, Harry, like Andrew, isn't divorcing in a frenzy of hate and anger and has no intention of remarrying, and agrees to let Meghan go on calling herself Meghan, Duchess of Sussex without the HRH.

Thank you, r166. It shows how bad things have gotten for Meghan and Harry that the best defense their fans have is "they're not Andrew"!

^*King George VI (it is William's son who will be King George VII)

R168

R154 for the win!

Kate's new order bestowed by the Queen this year. She wore it to the Trump state dinner in June. Swipe for photos.

Charles was learning about wool today! How riveting. LOL.

R161 - Well, he lost the polo match to his brother.

And, to the poster upthread, yes, the Campbell book, "Diana in Private" was way before the Morton book blew it all up publicly, costing Diana her marriage and her HRH, and her RPO (which may have contributed to her death in the accident). The depth of Diana's detachment from reality can be measured by her assumption that the Morton book would shame Charles into ditching Camilla, bring him to heel, bring the BRF to heel, and leave her the triumphant victor of the field. Instead, it elicted a formal order from the Queen to the Wales to divorce, the exact opposite of what Diana thought the book would do for her, and guaranteed that eventually, her hated rival would be standing next to Charles one day with that HRH, stepmother to Diana's beloved sons.

Diana also clearly didn't stop to think what impact the book would have on her sons one day if they read it. They were bound to see at least parts of it publicly, and she didn't seem remotely to consider that perhaps she shouldn't place that burden upon them, and either find a way to live with her marriage, or have the courage to divorce without washing the family dirty linen in public.

Either of those options would have been better than the way Diana did eventually choose to engineer matters.

She was beautiful, classy, well-born, photogenic, charismatic, and a damaged clinically narcissistic15-year-old emotionally.

R158 You really just don't get it do you?

You said it yourself "rumours" Do you understand that if say the Daily Mail decided to say that Andrew was sleeping with a minor as a headline that Andrew would turn around and sue for defamation. In the UK the burden of proof is on the defendant, so the Daily Mail would have to prove it was actually true. That is why there isn't much said in the newspapers because it hasn't been proven. They won't print serious allegations unless they are damn sure there is evidence.

Yes there are some journalists who are chummy with royals and courtiers but if you think they wouldn't throw a royal under a bus for a good story that was proven you are really are deluded.

R174 very well said!

I think there are a groups of younger women who are fans of MM who think Diana was some sort of saint. I am old enough to remember her whole story and whilst I really was fascinated with her and very sad when she died, I realise that she really had major problems way before her ill-fated marriage to Charles. Do people remember how many men she had affairs with including Will Carling (famous rugby player) and broke up his marriage. How she stalked Oliver Hoare and rang his home over 300 times. There are so many stories of odd behaviour.

How anyone would want MM to be the "new Diana" is beyond me, it was a very tragic life.

The dumbass For The Win troll is so annoying.

R175 - I think there are grains of truth in your post and the one you're responding to.

I belive not just some, but most of the major media outlets have one or more "chummy" ties to one or another of the royals and, because they travel with the senior royals, do acquire knowledge that they don't always share, and not because the Palace ordered them not to. The Telegraph seems to have a direct line to Clarence House, for example, which has taken a distinctly pro-Meghan line over the last year, occasionally unable to hide that it was struggling to maintain it in the face of her press elsewhere. Lately, they've given that up somewhat,

Years ago I saw an interview with a respectable journo assigned to coveing the royals who admitted he and his paper had withheld certain information and stories from the public, even though they all knew it to be true. When asked why, he said, Because it would ruin people's lives.

I saw this interview at least 15 years or more ago, so it is possible that in the increasingly vicious no-holds-barred environment of today that same story might see the light of day.

But the journo made it clear that it was a choice on his and his editors' parts not to publish, not pressure from the Palace.

Andrew's role in Epstein's history remains unproved rumour. The fond assumptions of the fraus on Celebitchy insisting that the continued "smears" against Meghan are allowed by the Palace to deflect attention from the Epstein/Andrew issue are absurd. The Tiaragate story of spring 2018 made it unchallenged into a reputable bio of Charles for his 70th birthday published more than a year before Epstein's arrest.

The Palace does have some powers of persuasion at its disposal, but they aren't absolute, and they aren't about to throw Harry, at least, under the bus just to cause a minor diversion from Andrew's embarrassment. They have much better reasons for wishing Meghan would just go away and if they can find a way to do it decently, they will.

But they won't do it to save Andrew from embarrassment. Their primary concern will be to shield him from any legal embarrassment.

Meanwhile, I'm far more curious about what the press may have on Meghan that they are, as that journo I saw interviewed years ago state, unwilling to publish not because they can't prove it's true, but because they can prove it's true and the ensuring flames would scorch them as well as the BRF.

Btw, that same journo, whose name I do wish I could remember, was also the one who stated that it was all well and good for Americans to be enthralled with the BRF from afar, but for the British, it was like being permanently locked up in Disneyland.

^**ensuing flames (not ensuring, damn this autocorrect!)

^I also meant to say that the other poster is correct that the BRF might be quite welcoming of negative press on the Sussexes for deflection purposes, but they would know how fleeting those stories are, they disappear in a day or two. The Palace would be just as grateful for positive press around the Cambridges (say, announcement of one more baby for Kate and William, or Pss. Eugenie announcing she's up the duff, or a wedding for Pss. Beatrice, god help her). But I agree that engineering bad press or a boot out the door of the Sussexes just for that? Not.

R177

Harry surely must be, r161! Sexy, exotic, dark-haired foreign actress turned wife turned weight-gain Frau, and he can't even play football with the kid yet.

He now lives in de facto exile from the royal center in a decidedly unremarkable dwelling under a busy Heathrow flight path; he's estranged from his brother but more significantly from his sister-in-law, whom everyone could see he adored; he has zero relationship with his wife's family, and her friends are not of his circle or social stratum; he is shunted to the side or back in royal family public engagements; his wife's spending habits are unpopular; and he is balding rapidly.

Where did the fun go?!

R181 LOL. You described the life of many heterosexual marriage men, but yes, I think it is.

R173, And why wouldn't learning something new about an important export be "riveting" to the future monarch? Moreover, Charles loves the natural world, farming, agriculture, the environment.

'He now lives in de facto exile from the royal center in a decidedly unremarkable dwelling under a busy Heathrow flight path; he's estranged from his brother but more significantly from his sister in law..'

This made me laugh so hard. Are you one of those Skippies who think Harry secretly fancies Kate and Meg likes William? 😆

He's living inside the beautiful Windsor Park, near the polo field. The RF would have preferred it if they'd moved into the KP flat as it didn't need a 3m renovation. But M and H wanted to live year round in a country house, so they insisted on Frogmore and were granted the cash.

Unlike Adelaide and the other cottages on the estate, FC needed a major overhaul, so Meghan could decorate and renovate it any way she pleased. Another HUGE bonus.

It's odd how your mind works. They have exactly what they wanted. Harry easily could be on frosty terms with William, but he is still working and has a calendar full of engagements.

R184 - "It's odd how you're mind works". That's deflection by definition.

If the Royal Family wanted them at Kensington Palace, they would have moved there.

When has Harry or any of the youngsters have a calendar full of engagements? WTF?

Care to share the source of your information, R184.

Who told you that M & H wanted to “live year round in a country house”?

Who told you the RF would have preferred them at KP?

Who told you how much renovation Adelaide Cottage & other places require?

Who told you they have “exactly what they wanted”? How do you know what they wanted?

This is the problem with tossers like you. You smarm on to the thread, desperate to look superior while insulting others & calling them names...and then proceed to present your own invented theories as if they are facts.

Evidence or bore off.

Rachel Meghan Markle didn't marry a prince to NOT live in a palace.

No, r184, I am not a Skippie, nor did I say anything re: Meghan/William. I AM, however, familiar with years of published photos of the "Trio."

As to the rest of your assertions? It is to laugh.

The palace wanted them next to K and W but Harry put his foot down. When Charles and TQ tried to remonstrate with him over the 3m, he said he didn't like London and preferred to live near the polo grounds year round.

Meg lived for two years in the two bed Notts Cott happily enough. FC is a huge improvement. The best thing is that they have their own home which is nowhere near all the other fussy royals.

It's just right next to all the dead ones.

R189 - thank you for the laugh today!

R184 & R189 is the delusional Sparkles fan troll who assaults posters and then makes absurd opinions others recognize as such.

The trolls angrily asking for evidence when this whole thread is supposition and speculation make me howl with laughter.

We're supposed to accept their preposterous version of the truth unquestioningly. They have zero evidence that M wants a 'palace' ( shared with scores of others) yet that is now canon here?

R189, polo season is May to September.

There is no indoor arena at Guards for Winter polo.

I honestly can't believe the shite you are posting.

The Queen's cousin, Princess Alexandra of Kent, at a community awards event.

Eugenie and her husband Jack at Balmoral.

R194, I know it upsets and angers you when other people disagree with you. You never quite fully grew up, did you? Throwing tantrums online because some stranger doesn't hate another stranger? Pitiable.

It's Tiara Time...swipe for photos of Queen Mary's Fringe tiara.

R189. Again...evidence?

“Meg” didn’t live at NC for two years, idiot.

We've seen all these fug tiaras before.

Princess Anne is the center of attention.

The tiara thing is passive aggressive and patronizing.

R199, she was living there the year before the marriage too.

R193 Anyone who asserts something as fact, rather than simply sharing an opinion, should point us in the direction of evidence....ESPECIALLY when they are upbraiding other people.

And quit with the misuse of the word “troll”. It doesn’t describe a person who posts something you don’t happen to like, fool.

R193, No, of course "America's Duchess" didn't want a palace! My goodness, she is all about humilty and a concomitant (relatively) humble abode!

And I have it on good authority that she is trying to move up her and Harry's posting to Africa in order to return to her charity work ASAP! The social world of a royal in London can be so tedious, you know. So devoid of meaning, of purpose, of servile paparazzi.

R203 No, she wasn’t. She finished filming Suits in November...shot over here as fast as she could to announce the engagement and they got married in May. That’s 7months. She wasn’t “living” in London before that...she visited.

They also had the Cotswold place from before the wedding.....so she clearly wasn’t happy with “just NC”.

With regard to Andrew,

I don't know the evidence or the legal process involved, BUT if there are eventually charges against him and the US initiate extradition proceedings, it will be at that point that there will be a REAL situation.

How the British judiciary would deal with his extradition would be critical to many things.The Monarchy.the relationship of the countries, rich privelege etc . THAT would be the major event. Not the fact that he was mates with Epstein and is in a photo ( which all UK media have repeatedly published). The Harkles stuff in the media is not related, that is just kick back on their shitty behaviour.

r176. Well there were three of us in the marriage, so it was a bit crowded..

"I know it upsets and angers you when other people disagree with you. You never quite fully grew up, did you? Throwing tantrums online because some stranger doesn't hate another stranger? Pitiable."

R197 I don't know what you are on about. I merely pointed out that polo season is literally a matter of weeks long.

R209, put the Markle loon on ignore, like (almost) everyone in here has already done in order to be spared of their idiocy.

Sparkles insisted on moving to Frogmore because she thought they meant Frogmore HOUSE.

Markle didn't insist on any house. She'll go where there is a house available and where the Queen sends her. Period.

Whatever, R166. You're invested in the idea that nobody in the BRF would leak negative stories about one member to deflect attention from another member or make that member look better, even though that's EXACTLY what Charles' people did to his sons, particularly Harry, when they were in their teens. Believe what you like: I don't care.

R213 I’m not remotely invested in anything. Your theory doesn’t make any sense. And I don’t believe Charles leaked damaging stories about William & Harry to make himself look better.

There was an (unproven) suggestion that he may have opportunistically had himself painted as father-of-the-year in connection with the Harry The Pothead “Scandal”. But that story was already out there...so not quite your tinhat nonsense.

Leaking bad stories about his son’s does not, actually, paint Charles in a glorious light. Makes him look like a shit father, especially when they were teens.

Or is that too much common sense for you?

I think Charles has done a lot to cover up for Harry for many years. Particularly where drugs were concerned.

Trying to locate the stories "leaked by the Grey Men" has replaced last year's merching nonsense.

r216, the press are controlled by the royal family don't you know..I mean ask Fergie or Sophie,"cough,fake sheikh, cough"

The BBC documentary Reinventing the Royals discussed Charles' PR strategy after Diana's death, which involved trashing other members of the Royal family to make himself look better. This continued until the Queen herself stepped in. As Entertainment Tonight summarized it:

[quote]The bombshell documentary Reinventing the Royals claims Prince Charles instructed his minions to feed negative stories about Diana and the boys to the press, which reportedly left his sons “stunned and angered”; when they learned of their father’s chicanery. The “Machiavellian”; figure at the centre of the doc is Mark Bolland, reportedly Prince Charles’ most trusted adviser and “consigliere,”; who tried to turn around the British public’s largely negative perception of the prince in the wake of his who-cares reaction to the death of the beloved Princess Diana. The slimy PR strategy allegedly included providing the press with info that Prince Harry had smoked weed in exchange for running his father’s completely fabricated reaction. “A very bad story for Harry had turned into a very good story for Charles,” says Steve Hewlett, who hosts the documentary.

Again, I'm not a Harry and Meghan fan, but to assert that it's impossible for one member of the BRF to trash another in order to gain PR points is ridiculous. This is not the BRF controlling the entire press, but certain members leaking selectively to advance an agenda. You can call me a 'tinhat' all you like, but you're the one who is overinvested in pushing your own viewpoint, to the point of insulting other people who don't happen to agree with you.

I've had R189 on block for some time. Her posts show how delusional she is. Meghan would have snapped up that 20-room KP apartment and then lobbied for a country estate like the Cambridges have in an L.A. minute. The idea that she and Harry chose that third-rate ugly building that is suburbia not chic country like the Cotswolds, never mind minus the buzz of London. is hilarious. They didn't "choose" anything: it was what was on offer - like the tiara the poor dear "had" to wear at her wedding instead of the grander one she wanted.

William and Kate wanted the Sussex next door the way they wanted the Kardashians next door. If anyone "put his foot down" it was William after getting a good look at who Meghan really is over those first Christmas holidays after the engagement.

Yeah, Harry wanted to be near the polo grounds, because the poor dear can't take a copter any place he wants. Not to mention that the Guards Polo Club at Windor plays between late March and mid-September. Yessirree that Harry put Meghan and his kid in that undistinguished dump under the Heathrow flight path and within a stone's throw of the tourists lining up to see Frogmore House, so that six months out of the yeart he could be near the Windsor polo grounds . . . .

That had to be the funniest post R189 has put up yet.

R208 - Brilliant and exoertly nailed!

One more quote from the documentary summary:

[quote]Reinventing the Royals also details the relentless back-and-forth in the press between Charles and Diana before her death, the latter winning the media battle hands-down; as BBC royal correspondent Jennie Bond puts it, both sides were “leaking like sieves and singing like canaries.”

Members of the BRF leak all the time, and have since at least the 1990s. They even have various factions of support in the intelligence services, as Tina Brown discussed in her bio of Diana. Warring factions were responsible for the Tampon tape and the Squidgygate tapes, which humiliated Charles and Diana, respectively. This is not controlling the press, it's throwing chum to the tabloids. You can sling ad hominem and straw man attacks all you like, but it's been proved as far as such a thing can be proved that this sort of thing happens all the time.

Okay, now I'm really done.

^*expertly.

Andrew will never be extradited for anything. That said, he might conceivably be subpoenaed to give evidence, and that's where the problem is more likely to arise.

r222, If he was subpoenaed would he need to give evidence in the USA or UK? Would a USA subpoena be valid in the UK? I guess international lawyers will be at play if anything happens.

You’re the one who is over invested...frantically Googling some old documentary for quotes that you think supports you.

It’s well known that Diana & Charles dropped bad thing about each other. But that has nothing to do with your upthread theory.

You think the palace are dropping stories about Meghan spending too much money to “distract” from Prince Andrew committing statutory rape with a girl supplied to him by a paedophile.

Not quite the same thing as a separated couple who hate each other? People slagging each other off in a jostle for popularity is not at all the same thing as an effort to “distract” from serious criminal charges.

And it wouldn’t work anyway.

Think.

R223 it’s complicated to even serve a US subpoena in a foreign country, let alone enforce it. Hugely tougher if the foreign country tries to stand in the way of it. I believe there’s a preexisting agreement between the US and UK about how to handle subpoenas generally, but it may give the UK the option to block enforcement in certain situations.

Man In Grey Suit: Hello, is that the Editor of the Daily Mail?

Daily Mail Editor: Yes.

MIGS: St. John Ponsonby-Smythe here from Buckingham Palace. You know that business of Prince Andrew screwing an underage girl?

DME: Oh yes. We’re running it tomorrow.

MIGS: Well, look...drop it, will you and we’ll let you know how much Meghan has spent on her Autumn wardrobe. Deal?

DME: Deal!

Anyone who thinks this is likely is a cretin.

R226 - Agreed. LOL. Some gormless cretins just thought the news in the US could be blocked from crossing the pond. So stupid.

That's a great photo [196]

r227. some people live in the 1930's, where the press were owned by the aristocracy and kept the then Prince of Wales crap under wraps and the USA press were reporting it.

There's no evidence of Prince Andrew screwing underage girls. If there ever was, it's long since disappeared. He's in no danger of being arrested or even subpoenaed: Anyone who thinks he is, is being naive. The US isn't going to jeopardize the Special Relationship by humiliating and punishing the favorite son of the UK's head of state, even if said son is a massive sleaze.

Andrew probably did fuck sixteen-year-olds. Plenty of wealthy and powerful men have. Almost none of them are punished for it, unless they piss off someone even wealthier and more powerful.

If Andrew were facing serious criminal charges, no amount of stories about Meghan would calm that fire. But he won't face charges--the only court he could ever be tried in is the court of public opinion, which is an important one for the BRF. If the public began to seriously speculate that Randy Andy was randy enough to fuck teenagers, people might start to really question why there were supporting that bunch of effete assholes. Distracting them from such speculation by letting them instead speculate about Harry's bride, a woman the BRF can't stand and that a large amount of the public already dislikes? That's far safer than having the public turn on a born Royal. Wives are easy to kick out: Princes are not.

If the media had real evidence that Prince Andrew were a pederast, no doubt they would use the stories. But they won't have evidence, only speculation which could cause issues with the Palace: It's not worth it for a 'might have' story. Especially when the public already seems far more interested in stories that run down Meghan, who is a safer target all the way around. Again, it's not the press being controlled, it's the press following the blood in the water. There is a LOT of it around Meghan. Some of those bleeding wounds are self-inflicted, but not all of them.

R176 Don’t forget too that Diana did mean girl shit like spreading rumors about Tiggy Legge-Bourke who was nanny to Will and Harry. Tiggy was close to the boys and it made Diana very jealous, to the point that she spread rumors about Tiggy having abortion and such. William and Harry are still close to Tiggy so they must know what a nut job their mother was. Why Harry wanted to marry a woman who share so many similar personality traits with his mom is beyond me. Will went the opposite direction and chose a woman who is in many ways the polar opposite of Diana.

Royal weddings through the years from 1947 to 2011. Princess Anne's Elizabethan-style wedding dress is still my favorite.

I really liked Eugenie's dress. It was plain but fit beautifully, and set off the emerald tiara to perfection.

R230 You are wrong. There is compelling evidence that Andrew fucked an underage sex slave. As in sworn testimony before a court made by the sex slave herself, Virginia Roberts. She testified under oath - as in if you perjure yourself you can be prosecuted and sent to jail.

You are clearly not following the Epstein case are you. A US judge ordered that this testimony BE UNSEALED. Yes, so the public will be able to read the details of sworn testimony by Ms. Roberts about her being forced to fuck Prince Andrew.

Do you understand now? Sworn testimony - soon to be released to the public - is not "rumor".

In addition, Ms. Roberts was raped by Andrew in NY, where there is NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. That means that the NY Attorney General could prosecute Andrew in NY State Court at any point until his death. This is independent of Florida and independent of the federal prosecution.

They'll destroy Roberts' credibility or pay her off. There's no way in hell TPTB are going to let some former teenage prostitute--however wronged she was--fuck up the life of a royal prince. Will. Never. Happen. Besides, in the end, it's still her word against his, isn't it? With no physical evidence and given the amount of time that's passed, her testimony doesn't mean much.

I'm just curious about who Epstein pissed off, that the hammer is finally coming down on his activities.

Furthermore, Ms. Roberts could pursue a civil case against Andrew; in this case, one would expect the royal family to pay her millions to make this go away.

However, Ms. Roberts refused any settlement from Epstein, unlike other victims, and may want to take this case to court (and the public) as she has come forward and identified herself to the public as a victim. Ms. Roberts appears to be still quite upset at being sexually assaulted by Andrew and very well may pursue this course of action.

[quote] Distracting them from such speculation by letting them instead speculate about Harry's bride, a woman the BRF can't stand and that a large amount of the public already dislikes? That's far safer than having the public turn on a born Royal. Wives are easy to kick out: Princes are not.

The public can’t speculate about both?

It doesn’t seem to be a very good strategy to me. “Let’s try and stop the public from turning on us by whipping up hatred for another family member?” Because Harry is being damaged by all of this too. I think it’s more likely that they’d be trying hard to show unity by pretending it’s all sweetness and light - then if Andrew’s shit hits the fan, well, at least the “Fab Four” (puke) are popular.

In any event, it’s extremely silly to assume that all the bad stories are being “put out”by some faction in the BRF. Reporters and journalists do have other sources - it’s not all propaganda being leaked by courtiers. In fact, I think virtually none of it is.

People who have actually had the misfortune to work for Meghan can’t stand her. That’s where it’s coming from, imo.

Roberts will get less upset when they offer her a giant check to fuck off forever.

I don't assume that all bad stories about Meghan come from factions within the BRF. She's apparently a selfish, entitled brat. But she's also an extremely useful shiny thing to dangle in front of the press, which in the end only cares about page hits and ad revenue.

R235 I actually believe the young woman - but a single sworn statement alone is not enough to convict anyone. They’d need substantially more to prosecute.

Yes, her word, no matter how truthful, won't get her that far, especially if she has to face the kind of high-powered attorneys Andrew would employ. She'll take the check.

R242 Yes, of course. I am sure the NY Attorney General's office is busy collecting evidence, along with the US Attorney Generals Office. They have quite a bit already, as Epstein was not granted bail.

Perhaps Epstein will "sing" and give up his fellow predator's names. Very possible that this would happen. Epstein might do this to get placed in a prison he prefers (because he will go to prison) or whatever carrot is dangled before him.

The NY Attorney General, Leticia James, is not one to trifle with. She may go down hard on all involved in this, including Andrew.

BTW, the photo of Andrew and Ms. Roberts was taken in Ghislaine Maxwell's apartment - In NYC. It's possible that Maxwell will sing as well to save herself and provide prosecutors details on what she witnessed regarding her special houseguest.

Epstein would be smart to keep his mouth shut about his fellow predators, if he doesn't want to find himself 'committing suicide' in prison. The people he's got dirt on are not people to fuck with.

R235 - And, as we all know, no one has ever, ever perjured himself in the witness box for gain, right? Do you know how many people have perjured themselves on the stand and not gone to jail?

Sworn testimony isn't evidence; it's just a statement that will be challenged and the witness subjected to brutal cross-examination. Ms. Roberts SAYS she was raped by Andrew in New York. She will have to prove that if the case comes to open court. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defence, and her statement isn't evidence. Most major felonies are, because people tend not to carry out major felonies where they can be seen, based on circumstantial rather than prima facie evidence. Convicting someone of rape on circumstantial evidence is not easy. If the prosecution has nothing but circumstantial evidence and a he said/she said case, no photos, no recordings, no eye witnesses, no DNA . . . then you don't have "plenty of proof".

"Proof" has to rise to the level required by law for conviction and the judge will instruct the jury on that very explicitly. "If you find that the prosecution has not proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt, you must find the defendant innocent." A courtroom isn't the Daily Mail's editorial meeting. Yes, the judge ordered the records unsealed. That means that they are made public, not that the accused perp is ipso facto guilty.

I would bet a year's pension that Andrew will never be convicted of anything, although I'm not sure if he can be protected from testifying in open court.

And by the way, at the same time the stature of limitation was removed entirely in cases of rape, the statute of limiations for civil suits was increased from one to five years. So Ms. Roberts doesn't have an infinity to bring a civil suit against Prince Andrew. Civil trials are extremely expensive and Andrew can afford the best defence for an infinite time. My guess is that Ms. Roberts cannot.

R235 - Your grasp of the justice system is shabby. I will say it again: sworn testimony is not evidence. Photos are evidence, DNA is evidence, eye-witness accounts other than the victim herself are evidence, video recordings are evidence, hospital reports are evidence. Unsealing a record is not evidence of guilt, even an indictment by a grand jury isn't, all it means is that a grand jury has found sufficient cause for a trial, not that they have found the alleged perp guilty.

"The Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution states in part: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia when in actual service in time of War or public danger."

Has Prince Andrew been indicted by a grand jury in New York? If not, he stands little to no chance of figuring as an accused in a case brought in New York. Most US states have the grand jury requirement in order to bring a case for a major felony, otherwise the D.A.'s office will turn the case down, knowing full well there isn't enough evidence to win it, or the grand jury would have handed down an indictment.

So there remains the question of how much evidence there is that backs up the sworn testimony, which isn't enough on its own or we'd still be ducking witches in ponds.

I can refer you to the case of O.J. Simpson, who quite obviously got away with murder in criminal court because of the lack of evidence beyond circumstantial.

If you think that can't happen again, think again. And I'll repeat this again: in rape cases in the US, conviction depends upon the prosecution proving its case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

That level of proof has made rape convictions exceedingly difficult. You can bet your arse that Prince Andrew, should the day come, will be represented by people who will make mincemeat of circumstantial evidence.

Oh, and others in the line of fire "singing" to save themselves, will immediately have their testimony challenged by the defence as having been given in their own interests, creating the prospect of . . . reasonable doubt.

None of the items offered rise to the leve of proof beyond a reasonable doubt (which means either prima facie evidence of a mountain of circumstantial evidence) until a jury finds it so AFTER Prince Andrew has been indicted by a New York grand jury.

R233, Princess Anne's dress reminds me of Princess Leia's, though it predates Star Wars by four years.

^ Posted without reading the full thread. Now realise my post looks a bit flippant in the midst of a discussion about alleged rape.

R249 No need for apologies. The thread is about the royals in all aspects.

And I agree with the poster naming Anne's dress as a favourites. It was easily the most unique in the gallery without looking too costumey.

And I also want to hasten to add that my posts about the legal realities re Prince Andrew's likelihood of indictment and conviction do not in any way represent a defence of him. He's a notoriously self-entitled twat, spoilt by his mother's whose "love child" he was after the resolution of a rough patch in her marriage. Nothing about his sordid behaviour would surprise me.

I've just had some exposure to the justice system and am realistic about what it takes to convict ordinary folk of crimes like this, never mind a Prince of the Blood, favourite son of the Sovereign of one of America's oldest allies.

[quote] Andrew probably did fuck sixteen-year-olds. Plenty of wealthy and powerful men have. Almost none of them are punished for it, unless they piss off someone even wealthier and more powerful.

Yep. The Epstein investigation is about bringing down Trump and maybe Clinton-- not some second-tier royal.

There are several cousins of the queen who are quite elderly and live either at KP or CH. What makes anyone think that Charles won't give one to H and M when one becomes available--if they want it.

??? I don't know. What makes anyone think that the Queen will "give" the throne to Harry because he has the most Likes. All kinds of fangirl fantasy out there.

There was a succession of reports in mainstream publications like People Magazine and Town and Country about where the Harkles would live after their honeymoon. There was early speculation about Apartment 1 being vacated by the Queen’s cousin. Then Adelaide Cottage. Then York Cottage. Then the Frogmore announcement, which seems to be the final decision. Whose decision, I’m not sure.

Anyone else wondering if Andrew has lawyered up yet?

Given Andrew's lifestyle, he probably always has a lawyer.

Meghan was disappointed at first about the move to Frogmore but when the Queen decided to go ahead and renovate the tunnels she cheered up. Now she can visit the Queen at Windsor discreetly anytime she wants. In fact the Queen has come to rely a great deal on Meghan in the last few months. There's even talk about Meghan accompanying the Queen when she meets the new Prime Minister next week.

R258 = The Diva Duchess

Yes! The Queen adores Meghan. That's why she let Meghan wear that much-coveted emerald tiara to her wedding. She even gifted Meghan with the permanent loan of her own treasured wedding bracelet (a gift from Prince Phillip)! It's also why Meghan and Harry are about to move into that lavishly redecorated 21-room apartment at KP, in addition to their gorgeous retreat on the grounds of Sandringham. It's also why wee Archie's HRH was announced as soon as Meghan had her first ultrasound, and why Meghan herself has been given the Victoria Order.

Yep, the Queen just LOVES Meghan.

Another Yes! The Queen adores Meghan.

One thing I think is good,Andrew seems to take his Duke of York thing seriously. Living in Yorkshire, he visits a lot here,far more than the others. We get the Cambridges and Anne a few times but not much else considering we are the largest part of north England.

[quote] Yes! The Queen adores Meghan. That's why she let Meghan wear that much-coveted emerald tiara to her wedding.

Correct. But Meghan realized that the haters would have a field day so she wisely-- and quite modestly, I might add-- demurred. That's why the Queen respects her. She shows a sensibility that is truly regal. And that's why the Queen has given her free rein at Frogmore House.

Prince Andrew's scandal

Sworn testimony is evidence.

Where the fuck did you go to law school?

Prince Andrew’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein could become the most sordid royal scandal yet.

R261, HM's thought bubble was, "I know you don't love my gullible grandson, you old hussy, you."

I want to go to Mustique too!

Kate and William will jet away with Prince George, Princess Charlotte, three, and Prince Louis, one, back to their favourite Caribbean Island - Mustique.

The Cambridge clan have favoured the exclusive private getaway for family holidays in the past and this summer is no exception, according to a Palace insider.

The royal source told Fabulous Digital: “They are going to Mustique again. It is incredibly private and incredibly discreet but not remote."

[quote]costing Diana her marriage and her HRH, and her RPO (which may have contributed to her death in the accident).

No, Diana was the one who got rid of her bodyguards, she was afraid they’d spy on her for the royals.

R268 I'm sure those Brits who can't even afford a Butlin's Camp holiday will be thrilled for the Cambridges.

R233, Margaret's and Kate's are my favorites. Not spectacular, but better than the rest, which look lumpy and haven't aged well.

R270 they go with Kate's family every year, and the Middletons pay.

R270 thrilled like they were with that NYC baby shower extravaganza??? LOL!!!!

R272 You have a link confirming that? And who pays for Royal Protection Officers? Household staff accompanying them? Certainly NOT the Middletons.

R270 They’re very rich - what’s the point of being very rich and having very rich in-laws like the Middletons if you don’t go on holidays to places like Mustique?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Bea has lost a lot of weight, no?

The Royal Family meet the astronauts of Apollo 11.

Princess Charlotte Reportedly Treats Baby Archie "like a Little Doll"

Harper’s Bazaar is one of the publications that slavishly publishes whatever the PR flacks send them.

R279 Sure...

Yes, whatever Omid Eyebrows gets told to pass on.

R279, I’m sure Charlotte DID treat Archie like a little doll — that one time they met him. I didn’t see any photos of the Cambridge kids anywhere near the baby. Not super interested. Plus, they have their own baby brother. They know all about the squawking things, and have better things to do.

If I had to guess, I’d say that Meghan is like any other first-time mother, and doesn’t want some germy squirmy kid holding her precious newborn.

What an original name for their new private company. WTF?

Camilla never passes up a drink.

Prince Harry will attend Jane Goodall's Leadership Meeting at St. George’s House, Windsor Castle on Tuesday 23rd July.

R280, in this case they're publishing what Us Weekly published, which may well be PR leaks.

"Meghan Markle Excited To Bring Archie To George’s 6th Birthday & Spend Time With Kate As ‘A Family’"

PR going into overdrive, haha. Why's that? Is Camilla Long going to give us another fabulous Times article tomorrow? Wihful thinking, on my part.

Wishful!

I love how unhinged the Meghan lovers versus the Meghan haters are getting. It’s like pro-birth and pro-choice, pro-Is*ael and pro-P*lestine, Democrat and Republican. It’s not even fun anymore, I myself am bored with the Meghan wars, although I still can’t stand the mullatress.

R290 - your post doesn't make sense. You love the unhinged but it's not fun anymore? Huh?

Some absolute gems in this article, lmao. First, the headline "Queen’s shock as Prince Andrew busted in sleazy nudie bar".

Then this " One of the dancers, Lindy Lynn said: “He couldn’t keep his eyes off. Now I know here he gets his Randy Andy nickname.” Biographer Andrew added: “She later renamed her act the ‘Randy Andy Eye Popper’.” "

Hollywood life has no credibility.

Wild accusations in this new video. T or F?

And r290 is yet another example of why long-time DLers like me give up on posting in these threads.

"mulatress?" Fuck off, you bigoted asshole.

The Harklestans dreaming of the Queen "giving" anyone the throne and bypassing birth order are centuries behind English history. The Queen no longer has the power to "give" the Throne to anyone. Any change in the line of succession has to go through Parliament.William would have to be filmed molesting his children in the morning whilst boiling bunnies for their breakfast, or selling military secrets to Russia, for any change in the succession, and if William were displaced, it is his son, George, who would become the next Heir and the best Harry would be able to do is Prince Regent until George turns 18. It should also be noted that in the event William and ALL his children were er, eliminated, Parliament itself would have the right to bypass Harry and select, say, Prince Edward or Prince Andrew, just as, during the Abdication crisis, everything ground to a halt for several days as the government considered bypassing Prince Albert, who was shy and had a stammer and "only" had daughters, for one of his younger brothers; they didn't and we got King George VI and the Queen Mum, who made a huge success of it and pretty much saved the monarchy.

If Harry decided he wanted to leave the line of succession (which would bump Andrew and his kids up two place in the line, as he would most certainly take his son with him), the Queen would have to run the change in the line through Parliament.

So the Harklestans should open a book and bone up on English Parliamentary history and what happened since the Magna Carta.

That said, it does open an interesting discussion re Andrew: let us say for argument's sake that Andrew is indicted for rape in New York; even without a conviction, the BRF will have taken a bruising that might force the Queen to request him to resign his place in the line of succession (which I'm sure Parliament would approve in a hurry). That would, of course, bump Bea and Eugenie up a place and probably also result in bringing them forward at official events. It would also bump Edward up one place.

The Queen cannot strip Andrew of his HRH, he was born that way; but she could conceivably revoke his title of Duke of York, and hold it over for Prince Louis. That, of course, would also render Sarah Ferguson as Miss Sarah Ferguson, ex-Princess Andrew.

For Harry and Meghan it would make no difference at all, and in fact give them more competition, as with Andrew removed from public work, Bea and Eugenie would be needed to fill out the working royals team as Pss. Anne, Pss. Alexandra, the Gloucesters, age and recede, and the youngest generation are years away from being pulled in. It would also remove Andrew from the Sovereign Grant and put at least Eugenie on, as she seems to be gaining appreciation amidst the public, with her nice marriage, probably approaching motherhood. Bea, of course, is dating a thorough going cad with an illegitimate son, so Eugenie will probably be the first choice to fill Andrew's shoes for awhile. And, she's prettier, if just as badly dressed.

We'll have to see if the Epstein case ends by shaking up the royal family in so far unforeseen ways.

R259 - R258 is pulling your leg.

R277 - Yes, she has, and Bea is one of those unfortunate women who look worse rather than better for it. It's making her look positively ghoulish. She needs to find a balance between too much and too little. The best she ever looked was at the Cambridge weddingin 2011, only she ruined it with the notorious toilet seat hat.

She's hopeless.

I don't think this Andrew thing will have real legs, but for argument's sake IF it did and he were somehow convicted of rape in the US, I think the scandal would literally kill his mother. She's 93, and he's her darling boy. If THAT happened, Charles would reign holy hell down on Andrew, the brother he's never liked anyway. All the consequences in R296 would happen to him, and possibly more. I think Charles would personally bundle Andrew onto the plane that would carry him to the hoosgow in the US.

But none of this will ever happen, because Andrew is the son of HM and the US doesn't care nearly as much about wronged teen hookers as it does about maintaining its special relationship with the UK. This is particularly true in the Trump Era: He and Andrew are buddies, after all. The girl will be paid off or so publicly destroyed nobody will care what she has to say. Things will move on.

R295 - Don't desert us, Della!

'They go with Kate's family every year, and the Middletons pay.'

Loser. The Middletons don't have any property on Mustique or connection to it. Pippa married the guy whose parents own the Eden Roc hotel and brand, on St Barthe.

As if the Middletons are paying for a family of five, their staff and security team to fly First Class to Mustique.

Meanwhile, Meghan and Harry don't take these 500k holidays. Kate seems to go away half a dozen times a year, at least.

R296 Harry couldn’t take Archie with him. If Harry gave up his spot, Archie would move up one. The line of succession isn’t decided by the parents - it’s a birthright. If William decided to bugger off, George would be next in line after Charles. It either has to be a personal decision or an Act of Parliament to remove someone.

R301 500k holidays? Are you insane?

That makes sense. A parent shouldn't get to decide if a child is in the line of succession or not. I don't really think it's fair that Meghan and Harry aren't letting Archie use his title--that should be for Archie to decide when he's an adult.

Nobody is saying Kate and Wills don't spend money. The issue with Meghan is that she spends money in the wrong--i. e. not discreet--ways. She has to learn to spend money like a born rich person, not like the nouveau riche. Enjoy the cash but don't show flash. It's really not so complicated, but I suppose coming from LA, the mecca for conspicuous consumption, the habits of a lifetime are hard to break.

Six times a year, lol. MegStan is insane.

Actually the Middletons have holidayed in Mustique for decades.

[quote] Meanwhile, Meghan and Harry don't take these 500k holidays

How do you know? And even if that’s true...so what? Are you seriously suggesting they are somehow morally superior when the plastic-faced cunt spends over £1m in less than a year on bits of cloth to drape herself in?

I think the tantruming tossposts spend far mote on their lives of luxury - including holidays - than you realise....and probably far more than William & Kate do.

£35k on a weekend in the Hampshire countryside, by the way.

Where those numbers come from ? I mean, besides you own colon.

Jesus, R296, did you need to write a history essay? I haven't seen anyone say Harry should be king.

Yay! Who wants a Buckingham Palace shower cap?

R309 Where did you get £500k for a two week holiday from?

'How do you know? And even if that’s true...so what? Are you seriously suggesting they are somehow morally superior when the plastic-faced cunt spends over £1m'

Yep, you creepy fucker. 500k x 6 = 3m, plus Replicate has ten times the amount of personal staff Meghan does, and an expensive wardrobe, and all the expenses three children bring.

I would take absolutely nothing seriously that PEOPLE, Vanity Fair, Town & Country, and HarpersBazaar say about the Cambridges or the Harkles. Like the tabloids, they now make stuff up out of whole cloth and only cite "a source close to the royal household reveals". I doubt Charlotte has ever been near Archie except at that polo match.

The game now is "we no longer need to verify or justify stories; some might be true and some not, but as long as make no accusations or get ourselves in legal hot water, we're going to say anything we want, cite an anonymous source, and get all the clicks that stories about the royals always seem to get us."

Sources in the know don't talk to these outlets unless they have something really serious they need to leak.

'35k on a weekend in Hampshire, btw'

Exactly. A weekend in Hampshire costs 35k with accommodation, staff and security costs, so two weeks in Mustique/Maldives costs at least 500k and probably a lot more.

R313 Didn’t your mother, with her dirty pillows, teach you the difference between fact and fantasy?

You have precisely zero evidence that Kate goes on multiple £500k holidays a year. You cannot even demonstrate that they spend that much on one holiday.

Now, go swig with mouthwash because your shitty breath from licking Markle’s asshole is making me feel sick.

F and F the scat troll at R316.

F and F the scat troll at R316.

R315 Wait...weren’t you saying that Markle & her knobless husband DON’T holiday like Kate does? Now you’re using an expensive country weekend they took to try and prove your point?

Not the brightest, are you?

R309 - it's the same Cambridge hater-Meghan lover troll as ever. Put her on block and her idiot posts will disappear.

[quote] did you need to write a history essay?

You must be new here.

The royals are all spoiled and pampered beyond belief. Harry and the others have all been to a multitude of luxury destinations. Repeating the same stories about Will and Kate’s honeymoon or that time Kate got scuba certified is beating a dead horse.

The perverted Scat Troll at R316 with his depraved shit eating fantasies needs to be banned from the board. Let's hope Muriel does the right thing.

I see the Rictus Grin Troll is back.

R168, I don't think you understood me. I was stating she can call herself Meghan, Duchess of Sussex but she is not the Duchess of Sussex. That is actual title. It's The Dukedom of Sussex, so he's the Duke, and the title flows from him, so the Duke's wife is The Duchess. Look at the official website of the monarchy.... no names, just titles, The Queen, The Prince of Wales, The Duchess of Cambridge.

So having clarified that, the Duke of Sussex's ex-wife, in this case Grifter, would then after divorce by convention be called Grifter, Duchess of Sussex, until she remarries her Russian or American billionaire (I think we can cross Epstein off her list at this point, for various reasons, up to and including age and weight), at which point she becomes plain old Meagain Billionairobvich.)

HRH is off the table per the Letters Patent of 1996, whether she calls herself Grifter, Duchess of Sussex or Megantoinette, Progressive Goddess of all Bananas.

R325 - We're not in fundamental disagreement, our only disagreement is the difference between getting divorced before or after she becomes a UK citizen, because we disagree on the difference between absolute right to her title through Harry, and using it as a courtesy because it isn't quite yet an absolute right.

The Queen has the right to rescend any and all titles she has previously given. No one wanted a future King to have a Mum who went from Princess of Wales back to Lady Diana Spencer. So they cut a compromise: she loses the HRH but will henceforth be styled and titled, Diana, Princess of Wales. Ditto Fergie, out of kindness to the two York daughters. And Charles and Andrew are the Queen's sons, not her grandsons, and their children her grandchildren, not her great-grandchildren.

Without UK citizenship, the Crown in a divorce can rightly assert publicly what it never acknowledged publicly when the couple married: that Meghan's title is a courtesy flowing from her marriage, not an absolute right if the couple divorce, and reduce her to Mrs Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor (which is my guess) in the event of a divorce, so that she carries the same surname as her children. Once she is a UK citizen, they would have to strip her of the HRH formally in the event of a divorce, the way they did Diana and Fergie.

And given that Harry is much more likely to remarry than Andrew was, the potential problem of two duchesses remains. One, Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, and one HRH The Duchess of Sussex.

They will have to do something about that. If Diana had not died so conveniently, I'm not sure at all that Charles would have married Camilla, but would have gone to his grave as a divorced, unmarried King for just this reason.

Charlotte treats Archie "like a doll"?

Bwahaha!

The crying make-up artist has cheered up.

[quote]the potential problem of two duchesses remains. One, Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, and one HRH The Duchess of Sussex.

The dilemma is easily solved. As happened with Camilla, choosing to be styled by one of her husbands subsidiary titles - Duchess of Cornwall - rather than Princess of Wales as is her right. Harry's second wife can be styled Countess of Dumbarton, thus avoiding the DofS confusion. Or they can do what was done in Denmark when Prince Joachim divorced his first wife, who was eventually styled Countess of Friedericksborg.

It's holiday time!

Looking back to 1996-1997, it appears that Diana initially fought to keep her HRH, but Charles drew a line in the sand at last and insisted that she couldn't have it both ways and remove herself from the BRF yet retain her full position as a member of the family. She finally agreed to surrender it. I don't doubt that that discussion including sweeteners re finances.

The fact remains that if Meghan were to retain her title in altered form after a divorce, the Two Duchesses problem remains. The family might or might not care, but Harry probably would and so would any woman he was subsequently seriously interested in.

In addition, custody of Archie would be with the royal family; Meghan can live anywhere she likes and would have ample access to her son, but legal custody would remain with the BRF. So Meghan would not be able to take him off to America unless the BRF agreed.

These are arcane details and the truth is, everything would be ironed out as civilly as possible behind closed doors.

That said, if the divorce ensued following any crime committed by Meghan or a major scandal she'd brought upon the BRF, then she could lose it all regardless of custom.

Or the problem can be solved by simply styling Megs The Dowager Duchess of Sussex. That should go over well with ole Megs.

I'm on my way!

R329 - True, those are ways of resolving the Two Duchesses problem. Like Harry, Joachim is the younger brother. And by the way, as the younger brother, Joachim's children are not HRHs in Denmark, but HHs, His Highness or Her Highness, but not His Royal Highness.

The thing is, if the second wife has to be Countess of Dumbarton, then she accepts a sort of demotion AND she also carries the title that Meghan's son is entitled to AND what happens when she has a son, too? Are there then two Earl Dumbartons? So that's a problem, too.

Going from the divorced adult

Much depends on the circumstances surrounding the divorce, of course. Andrew still loved Fergie when they divorced, he still does. She lives off him at Royal Lodge, has her clothes and other needs subsidised by him. If that isn't the case with Harry, things may go differently.

I don't see a divorced Harry and Meghan sharing Frogmore Cottage. I still think they'd try to get the title off her and reduce her to Mrs Mountbatten-Windsor so that she and Archie share the same surname so that Harry doesn't face yet another of his father's dilemmas because of a disastrous marital decision.

[quote]then she accepts a sort of demotion AND she also carries the title that Meghan's son is entitled to AND what happens when she has a son, too? Are there then two Earl Dumbartons?

There are plenty of titles that have reverted to the crown that are either suspended or in dispute that can be doled out, if necessary. Or they can just make one up for Megs, like George V did by taking Windsor. Given that Megs is American, I'm sure it won't be lost on the courtiers to offer to style her The Duchess of Windsor. Wonder if Megs would even get the obvious ridicule.

R335 - LOL. I'm never sure how much clarity Meghan has given the level of her obsessive narcissism. But the bottom line is that there's the child to consider, and the BRF aren't that sort of brutes, whatever their other failings. They won't subject Meghan to anything beyond reasonable limits to spare Harry's child, who is after all blameless and a member of the family just as Bea and Eugenie were, more than necessary social humiliation, so they'll avoid moves like that. No, depending on how angry and how old Harry is, it will be Meghan, Duchess of Sussex (if, say, Harry is mellow and 50 years old and would rather be shot than marry again), or Mrs Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor if Harry is 38 or so, angry (and hell hath no fury like a man turning at last on a manipulative narc wife who has driven him round the bend), and fantasising about marrying the nice English Rose he now figures he should have married in the first place and having more kids.

It will be interesting to see it play out. Or not. They could just bumble along as they are for the rest of the chapter, fading into boring predictability and irrelevance as the Cambridge kids grow up, until no one really cares any longer, including them, which is what Meghan should aim for if she has any brains.

In July of 2018, there was a rush of articles on the story that the Queen had supposedly given Sparkle and Dim Adelaide Cottage in Windsor.

Of course, that story turned out not to be true.

Recently I watched the documentary "Inside Windsor Castle" and one interesting point was that Peter Townsend and his family lived at Adelaide Cottage starting around 1945 while he was an aide to King George VI, the Queen's father. (This has been described as one of those "Grace and Favor" houses.) And that Princess Margaret was always finding reasons to go over to Adelaide Cottage.

From the description in the documentary, it sounded quite large: 5 or 6 bedrooms, large reception room... see description starting at 40:39 at link below.

It sounds very nice and looks nicer than Frogmore Cottage.

Anyone know who lives there currently?

From one of the 2018 articles about Adelaide Cottage...

[quote] More recently, it has been home to Simon Rhodes, son of Margaret Rhodes who was first cousin of the Queen and a Lady in Waiting to Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother.

It only proves newspapers know next to nothing and print BS 90% of the time.

I think it was the familiar case of Markle putting her feelers and her claws out, tbh.

R326, I don't know where you get this notion citizenship has anything to do with it. Titles come to women through marriage. Titles change for women after the dissolution of marriage.

Princess Michael of Kent became so immediately upon marriage - she was German and they married in Vienna. The Duchess of Gloucester became Princess Richard immediately upon marriage, she was Danish. Sarah Ferguson became HRH the Duchess of York upon marriage and Sarah, Duchess of York once divorced.

There is no right for a woman after divorce to retain her title in marriage because It flows from the husband. He holds it. What has evolved is a courtesy/convention has that name followed by title indicates the former wife of a title holder in exactly the same way a woman can retain Mrs. after her divorce if she elects to. After her divorce but until her remarriage, Frances Shand Kidd was Frances, Countess Spencer. Until her remarriage, the widowed Raine was Countess Spencer, but that title was abandoned upon her subsequent remarriage because the convention of courtesy titles is based upon the principle that titles flow from the male in marriage. So an ex-wife has no right to anything that is in her husband's gift. No marriage, no titular rights.. Anyone who actually gives a fuck about titles (i.e. other title holders) knows this and how to interpret it. The rest of the world (us) probably doesn't. It's why you get morons who reference Princess Meghan or Duchess Kate. It's like using bad grammar. People understand you, perhaps, but you're not speaking properly.

It would not be an embarrassing situation if Harry finds the courage to remarry and there were two women attached to the Duchess of Sussex title, because it would be very clear who was the important one. "When a peeress obtains a divorce the general rule is that she places her forename before her title, for example Mary, Duchess of Mayfair. This is a practical measure to avoid confusion should the peer in question marry again."

The citizenship issue never came into play with Pss. Michael because they were never divorced. She is now a UK citizen.

We are agreed: the title for the wife flows from the husband, and that is a "courtesy". As I said in an earlier post, the Queen created Harry Duke of Sussex, not Meghan Duchess of Sussex. In that regard, yes, it is a courtesy, just as Kate Middleton's title is.

But I do believe Meghan confronts an extra issue re the title if she has not yet become a UK citizen, as the assumptions that are applied to women like Kate, Diana, Frances Spencer, and Fergie are somewhat different. I will try to find where I read that her title is more of a courtesy right now than those other Engliswomen, and that in a divorce the family could well tell her she is not entitled even to Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, and she has to resign herself to Mrs Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor. Her position re the title will be stronger if the divorce occurs after she becomes a UK citizen. This wasn't something I assumed, it was something I read, and now, of course, I can't find it.

And the other point we disagree on is the "no embarrassment re two Duchesses of Sussex as everyone would know who the important one is." Particularly where Meghan's character is concerned, and her obvious "give her a hand and she'll take an arm" nature, my guess is rather that they will try to draw as much of a separation as possbile between her and her ex-husband and any future wife and children.

Because there is not only the issue of Meghan's title, but the issue of the titles of any children born of a second marriage of Harry's. If there is already an Earl Dumbarton, what is Harry's first son of second marriage called?

In that respect, it's rather fortunate that Meghan and Harry have "declined" to have their son use his title, instead choosing to call him Master Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor.

Frankly, I wonder if they were "encouraged" to take that line by a BRF who I suspect are convinced this marriage won't last beyond a few years, and preparation being made for the eventual emergence of Mrs Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor with a son for whom the parents have declined all titles, and a new HRH Duchess of Sussex and a new heir to the ducal title.

How delicious would that be?!

Christ, what a windbag.

R290 and R342 We must keep the royal family pure white and inbred.

Of course they could take her title, easily.

However, I suspect they'll let her keep the title in order to have extra leverage over her big mouth and her tendency to invent stories. They can control her through monthly payments that are conditional on her silence, but, if she ends up making her own money so that their money fails to be a form a significant leverage, then they always have the loss of her title to hold over her.

R342 British peers have been marrying non-British women (quite a few of them American women) for well over a century. Their wives acquired their titles as soon as they said “I do” - or “I will”. Nationality has nothing to do with it, as R341 pointed out.

The Queen only EVER carries cash on Sundays – when she puts an ironed £5 note in her handbag

Her Majesty only ever carries cash on a Sunday and it's so she can make a donation when visiting church. As head of the Church of England, the Queen goes to church every Sunday and takes her religious role very seriously. And it has been reported that she likes to leave money on the collection plate after worshiping. It is believed that one of her butler's irons a five pound note into a little square so she can discreetly make her donation.

Or if she is feeling particularly flush, she sometimes raises the donation to £10.

Camilla Parker Bowles redesigned Princess Diana’s diamond and emerald necklace into a brooch

Bookies suspend bets on Princess Beatrice announcing engagement to new boyfriend this year, as friends say wedding bells ‘won’t be long’

‘Fun-loving’ Zara and Mike Tindall are the most wanted royal guests at dinner parties NOT Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, royal commentator claims

Bea and Edo's kid is going to have the most startled-looking, bulging eyes imaginable.

R346 - I never at any time questioned that non-British women married to titled British men receive their titles immediately customarily. Please re-read my posts. I agreed emphatically that non-titled women marrying titled men immediately receive the courtesy title of their husband's rank, regardless of whether they are UK citizens or not. My point was that Meghan Markle's title, as an American citizen, is more of a courtesy than usual and in the event of a divorce occurring before she acquires UK citizenship, the BRF could argue that she has no automatic right to the title after a divorce, custom notwithstanding in the form of Diana and Sarah, because they were UK citizens.

They can leverage the title issue in a divorce negotiation more before UK citizenship occurs than after it. That was my only point. I never disputed the rest.

Anyone incapable of a discussion of concepts lasting more than two sentences is free to skip posts longer than that.

Diana dancing with actor Clint Eastwood at the White House. It looks like Tom Selleck is taking a turn with Nancy Reagan in the background.

R344 - Which had what to do with the topic of title confusion of Harry's sons by different mothers in the event he remarries?

R354 - Diana allegedly flirted a bit with Eastwood, telling him she rarely had a chance to dance with someone adequately taller than she, and Eastwood slily replied that she was too old for him, to which Diana replied, "But I'm only 25!"

Forget sometimes how handsome Eastwood was at his peak.

Eastwood is looking at Di like he's wondering what she tastes like. Rowr.

r347, Been a good week on the 'orses Baines,iron up double bubble for the collection plate old chap.

Edo and Bea look like big fans of skiing

I always said Bea would marry within a year of Eugenie. It must have been humiliating to see not only her little sister but her ex of ten years get married within a few months of each other, while Bea got stuck being Fergie's chaperone at her sister's wedding. Edo may not be ideal, but perhaps they'll make it work. Even his being a bit of a famewhore may not be a terrible thing, as he's going to be living in a fishbowl for the foreseeable future. Perhaps I'm being naive, but I like Bea.

I agree r360 I bet Edo will make it work, won't embarrass the RF, and will stick with Bea. He's obviously got some flaws but she seems really happy with him. I bet they'll marry soon, have at least two kids and genuinely be happy for at least ten years, maybe double that. Maybe life. Who knows? They seem really suited.

r360, I also like Bea. Upthread somebody posted the awful picture of her in a bikini. I remember that at the time and Fergie going on telly to defend her daughter. She was a teen and got mauled in the press for being fat. I liked Fergie for that and pointing out how it could cause eating disorders.

It's not going to end well for Bea and Edo. That he ditched his beautiful, accomplished fiancée and their toddler son for plain, undistinguished Bea tells you everything you need to know about Edo's character.

Princess Eugenie of York, Sarah, Duchess of York, Princess Beatrice of York, Sophie, Countess of Wessex, Birgitte, Duchess of Gloucester, and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall at the Garter Service in 2006.

Thanks, R363.....

Elizabeth and Sarah

At Diana's funeral:

SARAH FERGUSON, DUCHESS OF YORK, WITH HER DAUGHTERS EUGENIE AND BEATRICE

Edward, Anne, Sarah

DIANA'S STEP-MOTHER, RAINE, COUNTESS SPENCER

r363, Yes,sadly he seems like a twat. Pity she couldn't meet some nice investment banker and have a beautiful home on the Thames and live a contented upper middle class life. I think she takes after her parents too much for that though.

Hillary Rodham Clinton

I agree it's not ideal r363, but the fact is that Edo and his fiance were engaged for two years and never made it to the alter. Long engagements are a really bad sign for a relationship. He clearly asked her because she got pregnant and then never could pull the trigger. In all the pictures with the fiance he looks less than happy. She seems lovely and the kid is cute. It's a shame and doesn't reflect well on him.

Having said that, it is what it is, and Bea will probably happily marry him despite his backstory, and I think he's going to stick with her. I just get that sense. We'll see.

Nicole Kidman, Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks

George Michael

PRINCESS MARGARET WITH HER SON LORD LINLEY AND HIS WIFE LEAVING THE SERVICE.

LUCIANO PAVAROTTI

PRINCE HARRY STANDING WITH HIS BROTHER PRINCE WILLIAM AND HIS FATHER, PRINCE CHARLES

PRINCE CHARLES, PRINCE WILLIAM, AND PRINCE HARRY LOOKING AT THE FLOWERS LEFT OUTSIDE THE PALACE.

THE HEARSE DRIVING AWAY FROM THE FUNERAL SERVICE.

DIANA'S FINAL RESTING PLACE AT HER FAMILY'S ALTHORP ESTATE

Harry looks like he's already plotting how to bring down the whole BRF in r377's picture.

He's certainly making some significant headway towards that goal now...

Why the funeral spam????

....

FLOWERS WERE LEFT IN TRIBUTE OUTSIDE OF BOTH BUCKINGHAM PALACE AND KENSINGTON PALACE IN TRIBUTE TO PRINCESS DIANA

Can the all-caps Diana funeral troll take a tea break please

DIANA'S FUNERAL CORTEGE, LEAVING BUCKINGHAM PALACE

PRINCE HARRY AND PRINCE WILLIAM WALK BEHIND THEIR MOTHER'S CASKET IN THE FUNERAL PROCESSION.

[quote] Why the funeral spam????

Because the tiara spam was called out as passive aggressive and patronizing so they decided to try another tack.

QUEEN ELIZABETH II AND THE DUKE OF EDINBURG ARRIVE AT THE FUNERAL.

PRINCE WILLIAM ALONGSIDE HIS UNCLE, DIANA'S BROTHER, EARL CHARLES SPENCER.

PRINCESS DIANA'S CASKET, DRAPED WITH THE ROYAL STANDARD, BEING CARRIED INTO WESTMINSTER ABBEY.

ELTON JOHN PERFORMING "CANDLE IN THE WIND" DURING THE SERVICE.

THEN-PRIME MINISTER TONY BLAIR AND HIS WIFE CHERIE OUTSIDE THE SERVICE.

I remember thinking I would have happily blown half of Diana's pallbearers. They were hot and helped me through my grief.

I hope Eugenie gets up duffed soon, that will be fun. She is quite popular nowadays.

R368 That photo looks like it was taken at Diana’s funeral.

DESIGNER KARL LAGERFIELD

R396. All the photos since R366 including this one are from Diana's funeral.

MEMBERS OF THE FASHION INDUSTRY, INCLUDING CATHERINE WALKER (LEFT), DONATELLA VERSACE, AND ANNA WINTOUR TURNED OUT TO PAY TRIBUTE TO DIANA.

Can you fuck off with all the pictures?

Put the Diana funeral spam idiot on ignore. This moron is very likely just another loon trying to derail the thread.

R364 I wasn’t aware that the Duchesses of Cornwall and Gloucester had both been either widowed or divorced from their current husbands!

There's nothing wrong in the BRF threads with remembering Diana's funeral and reflecting on how her life and death impacted the family and many others. The fields of flowers left in her honor are still something to behold. Despite her issues, she spent years cutting ribbons and showing up for mundane royal appearances. At least she understood the job.

[quote] That he ditched his beautiful, accomplished fiancée and their toddler son for plain, undistinguished Bea tells you everything you need to know about Edo's character.

Yes she is beautiful and accomplished but we don't know what she is like. She could be a cold, unfeeling manipulative bitch for all we know.

If this were MM, you'd all be saying how she tricked Harry into marrying her because she is a conniving whore.

There’s a Continental precedence now for a courtesy HRH to lose everything in her divorce with Tessy of Luxembourg.

Although it’s unlikely Queen Elizabeth would do the same, cousin Margrethe II of Denmark created her former daughter-in-law Alexandra as a countess in her own right with the style “Her Excellency” and she got to keep her diamond wedding tiara.

F and F the capslock queen Funeral Troll and also F and F the Scat Troll at R316. Next, F and F the ugly windbag frau who acts like some kind of sociology or history teacher, always trying to school posters with endless, tedious posts about titles.

r408 this is a BRF discussion thread, the photos, tiara discussion and posts about titles were the STOCK topics here before the massive Sussex stan invasions. What do YOU propose we discuss here, since you're appointed yourself hall monitor?

And F&F R406 for continually misusing the word “Troll”.

Man, you are one angry, sad little loser, aren’t you?

R407 can time travel!

I heard that Meghan has an ingrown toenail and she's staying at a spa until it's healed. She's also using a mobility scooter! LOL! Harry is at home with the baby and the nanny... Meghan is absolutely livid about the arrangement.

The deluge of ancient pictures is incredibly annoying. Just when a decent discussion is occurring, the attention junkie Photograph Troll decides to make her presence known by posting some random picture captioned 'Princess Anne at Chelsea Flower Show' or 'The Queen Mum and Her Cousin'.

NOBODY CARES!!!

The Photograph Troll is the most annoying poster on the thead, and seems to have endless logins, so you can't block her.

Troll Roll Call, part 86

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Edo's Beautiful Ex Troll

So that's it - anyone who post anything about the BRF but doesn't talk endlessly about the Sussexes is a troll. ok got it.

[quote] If this were MM, you'd all be saying how she tricked Harry into marrying her because she is a conniving whore.

R404, dear, you don't have the hang of this at all. Edo IS Markle and he's tricking Bea into marrying him because he is a conniving whore.

I suspect that several, if not all of R412's trolls are the same person.

'So that's it - anyone who post anything about the BRF but doesn't talk endlessly about the Sussexes is a troll. ok got it. '

Nope, the last six trolls talk almost exclusively about the Sussexes.

Edo is Lord Snowdon 2.0. He’ll be making bitter cracks about Bea’s looks less than a year after their wedding.

R411, plenty of people come here for these photographs. Block the person if you don’t want to see them.

Edo's ex is a Japanese woman called Dara Huang. Not that good looking so I don't know why people keep bashing Beatrice.

R417, nobody comes here to see old photos you found on Google, they come to bitch about Meghan. The threads would take up less bandwidth and stand more chance of remaining open to all if you stopped spamming them with your deluges of old pictures. You're not sharing some private resource, you're getting them off the web like everyone else.

R417, most people on the thread blocked R411 long ago. Come on in, the thread is better.

The thread is called the BRF thread, not the Welcome all bitchers of Meghan Markle, r419. If you don’t like it, start your own thread.

But apparently not the three people who have already liked my post, R420. Or you, who saw the post. I think you're the Scat Troll and will probably deliver some creepy analogy involving Meghan's rectum in your next post.

I like the tiara photos, but they link to an interesting article and are not just reams and reams of pics.

R418 Not that good looking? Did you follow the link you posted? Her hair and face are stunning, and her body is lithe.

A few funeral pictures, if part of a larger discussion, are not annoying. Picture after picture of an event that happened over 20 years ago and has nothing at all to do with the present discussion IS annoying and trollish. If you want to discuss Diana's funeral in that amount of detail, start a dedicated thread.

Now, now. We can sample the entire menu. I appreciate the people who are able to parse out some of the rather obscure minutiae: that takes a lot of dedication, and I learn a lot. But I also enjoy photos. I just don't like ad hominem arguments, that's all. I've been corrected numerous times, and as long as someone doesn't make it personal, I accept the correction.

For what it's worth, Huang isn't a Japanese name.

For what it's worth, Huang isn't a Japanese name.

[quote] nobody comes here to see old photos you found on Google,

Agreed. Maybe one or two, if it relates to the conversation. The long photo series, like the long essays that regurgitate the same points in thread after thread, are tiresome.

Huang is prettier than Bea

Is it a Vietnamese name (Huang) - ? Or Cambodian. Just curious.

Looks aren't everything. It's possible his relationship with his babymomma was already on the rocks when he met Bea.

Princess Diana's sister in court defending a man accused of bashing some anti hunt vegan saboteur benefits sucking terrorist.

Now that's my kind of posho. I thought beating the servants went out with the Romanovs. This is very good news.

[quote] Is it a Vietnamese name (Huang) - ? Or Cambodian. Just curious.

My impression, based on my speaking of Japanese/Korean is that it is a name from South China. I think if it were Vietnamese it wound be spelled differently. I'm not really sure.

The Troll Troll is the biggest cunt on DL - a completely useless, annoying piece of crap who contributes nothing of any interest at all.

Still, I suppose it’s better that he’s here otherwise he’d be out beating up people smaller than him (which is most) after he finishes asking “Would you like fries with that?” for the day.

Dara Huang sounds like an extremely successful workaholic. From the sound of this interview she was putting in a lot of hours building up her firm. Edo might have been lonely because she was working all the time and/or jealous of her success.

“Interviewer: We’re always obsessing over our work/life balance – do you manage it?

Dara: ‘At this stage work takes precedence to working out or getting home at a reasonable hour, but I do go out socially at least once a week to keep my sanity. Vacations are nearly impossible, but you have to force yourself to unwind and de-stress. That’s important.’”

R433 Fabulous find! this is what I am here for. Plus its got one of those great names "The Belvoir Hunt" which is held at the Duke of Rutland's amazing castle. I love that Belvoir Castle is pronounced Beaver Castle.

[quote]Dara Huang sounds like an extremely successful workaholic...Edo might have been lonely because she was working all the time and/or jealous of her success

Safe to say that's something he need never worry about now.

Edo is Megs with a dick. Bug-eyed Bea is a several rungs up the ne'er-do-well ladder from his previous. She'll do for now, but I'm betting that, like her previous Dave Clark, Edo shoots through when someone less buggy, more visually desirable crosses his path.

I think Bea is looking so much better in the last photos I've seen of her, the weight loss suits her. Why do people think Edo is some random Euro trash grifter who wandered into the royal family? He is British and has lived here all his life. Bea's parents are friends with his mother and deceased stepfather.

He will be fun to watch though

He's no Bertie Hexham.

Although she's more Edith than one would wish.

I'm not the history of titles troll but I think it's a shame that Edo can't use the Count title in Britain. I think Count Edoardo Mapelli Mazzi would be a good character in the BRF soap opera.

If the honors system were just, Bea would be Countess of Inverness and later Duchess of York, and could make her husband a Count or a Duke.

Edo is using Beatrice to get close to Meghan.

Love how the link at r433 shows the three entitled bitches laughing at the plebs.

[quote]Bea's parents are friends with his mother and deceased stepfather.

Fergie and Andy discreetly went to Edo's mum, got on their knees and pleaded "Tell Edo to take our bug-eyed daughter. PLEASE".

R418 Somebody named Dara Huang is almost certainly not Japanese!

R444, For what reason would Edo want to be close to MM?

r448: Meghan is very sexy, that's why Harry married her. She also has the ear of the Queen.

I just don't understand why no one has ever taught Beatrice to properly use makeup. She doesn't have to make her bug eyes buggier and her close set eyes closer. They should have done something about those monstrous choppers when she was a girl.

[quote] Why do people think Edo is some random Euro trash grifter who wandered into the royal family? He is British and has lived here all his life. Bea's parents are friends with his mother and deceased stepfather.

Your last sentence is the answer. Bea's parents are two scumbag grifters. They only hang around with other scumbags. Rich scumbags, but scumbags nonetheless

[Quote]Bea's parents are friends with his mother and deceased stepfather.

Guess Bea's parents see dead people too?

I get so baffled by all these retrograde fantasies about Bea; she's a member of the BRF and will never have to work for her living and y'all think she should settle down to a middle-class life? She jets around the world getting sloshed at concerts and attending luxurious weddings with her boy toy, and you think she's jealous of her sister settling down with a tequila marketer? And as for Edo's relationship with his supposedly gorgeous/accomplished former girlfriend--maybe he was with her for prestige purposes? Maybe her getting knocked up wasn't planned? Expand your ideas of what a woman can do with her life; she's not your niece who needs her accountant boyfriend to put a ring on it so that they can start making house payments and pop out a kid.

I enjoyed the Diana Funeral posts. (well, except for the all caps in the captions) And, they were certainly WAY more interesting than the dreary discussion that followed from people annoyed this thread isn't a long list of rehashing the Harkles like every damn BRF Gossip Thread.

It was also a nice break from long dull tirades about titles.

Why not just have a BRF Gossip Thread AND a separate Harkle Thread?

[QUOTE] At this stage work takes precedence to working out or getting home at a reasonable hour, but I do go out socially at least once a week to keep my sanity. Vacations are nearly impossible, but you have to force yourself to unwind and de-stress. That’s important.’”

sounds like an exhausting Asian over-achiever raised by a Tiger Mom. i’m sure she plays piano too.

[quote] One thing I think is good,Andrew seems to take his Duke of York thing seriously. Living in Yorkshire, he visits a lot here,far more than the others

He does not live in Yorkshire. What a dumb ass

The BRF threads came from the infamous and much-missed Dangling Tendrils threads. Someone objected to dangling tendrils so Muriel shut them down. The BRF threads don't get shut down.

If Edo lives in The UK as a citizen then he can’t legally use his title there, same thing happened to Prince Radziwill in the 1960s. However, unofficially they’re honored as such if they go to royal events. Prince Radziwill was announced as such at Buckingham Palace when he and Lee attended an affair there. All the exiled royals and the ones from countries that abolished their monarchies and privileges are still addressed as such by their peers in other countries.

So, Beatrice will be an Italian countess by courtesy, and her children will be counts or countesses. HRH Princess Beatrice of York, Countess Mapelli Mozzi

Dangling tendrils I think sounded too much like the dangling corpses of victims of lynching, perhaps of Megs own ancestors.

Yes, Bea's in the BRF. She's over 30 and her boyfriend of ten years dumped her when she gave him the marry me or it's over ultimatum. She's fat, often looks hideous and has terrible taste. Her mother's a disaster, her father's always been shady and now he's mixed up in this Epstein child trafficking and rape business. She can't stick with a career and while she may be a sweet girl, she needs to get a fucking job.

[quote]So there remains the question of how much evidence there is that backs up the sworn testimony, which isn't enough on its own or we'd still be ducking witches in ponds. I can refer you to the case of O.J. Simpson, who quite obviously got away with murder in criminal court because of the lack of evidence beyond circumstantial.

And I can refer you to the case of The People versus Jeffrey Epstein in Florida. That's the case where Mr Epstein pled guilty and gave an allocution statement admitting his guilt

R459 You really need to stop the day drinking

R456 The poster lives in Yorkshire, silly billy.

To whatever insane Megstan is comparing Edo to Meghan, there's no comparison.

He grew up with Bea, not in some flea-ridden shithole in LA.

His father is a Count and a British Olympic Alpine skier (Edo is a Count too, just he doesn't use the title) and his mother and step-father were good friends with Fergie and Randy, and the two families went on skiing holidays together.

Edo is a part of Bea's world - not some grasping, goldigging chorus girl like Smugs.

And he won't embarrass the BRF like Smugs does everytime she steps out of doors.

He's a solid match for Bea. I'm happy for her.

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R451 is the Grifter Troll.

If tiny eyed, fat faced, Chinese Huang refused to go on vacays, I can understand shy Edo jumped ship to a woman who has ten vacations a year.

Bea is pretty. Large green/blue eyes aren't ugly at all. Dara is generic looking and a workaholic.

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'To whatever insane Megstan is comparing Edo to Meghan, there's no comparison.

He grew up with Bea, not in some flea-ridden shithole in LA.'

Your hood is showing, bitch. Meghan went to a private school in LA and lived in a wealthy area. Her father had money.

And the Meg fans aren't bashing Edo. It's the same trolls who attack Meg who are deriding Edo, and for the same racist, classist reasons: grifter, Eurotrash etc

'The BRF threads came from the infamous and much-missed Dangling Tendrils threads. Someone objected to dangling tendrils so Muriel shut them down. The BRF threads don't get shut down.'

These threads were racist in the extreme, so of course they were shut down. Nobody misses them. Even the title ridiculed African hair. Absolutely shameful. And BRF 84 got put behind a pay wall and stopped altogether as nobody could be bothered to pay £1.59 a month to bitch about Meghan, not even the Photograph Troll.

Lawn bowling - even at Windsor - is not a “moneyed men” pastime. It’s a retired middle-class man/woman thing.

r468, you clearly didn't see the video of Meghan touring herself and her friend around LA, in which they drove around to Meghan's narrative of pointing out second rate stores as 'chic' before driving home to her near-hoarder-level mess of a family home, in which she directs the camera to the fridge photos of herself, referring to herself in the third person the whole time.

She's below pondscum, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Ridiculing MEGHAN MARKLE’S hair is not the same as ridiculing AFRICAN HAIR. Her hair, in case you haven’t noticed, has been ironed straight for many, many years.

The virtue-signalling racism hunters are as bad as the racists.

Any lawn bowler able to play at Windsor will still have more liquidable assets than Harry has, r470.

Caitlin McBride: 'Meghan Markle is her own worst enemy'

In the space of just a few short years, Meghan Markle has learned that life is far more complicated than a straightforward fairytale ending.

She met her prince, they fell madly in love and became engaged after a whirlwind one-year relationship. On paper, it's the stuff of great love stories; in reality, there's much more than meets the eye.

Meghan-mania has officially become part of global news coverage, but now there are sides being set: you're either #TeamMeghan or nothing.

As time goes on, a dichotomous narrative has emerged between coverage of her in her native United States, which is almost exclusively glowing, in comparison to the seething critique in her adopted of the UK. Americans believes she's being portrayed unfairly and that a lot of the criticism around her has racial undertones, while some Britons think she's manipulating a seemingly infallible Prince Harry.

When she was first linked with Harry in 2016, she was a successful actress on a popular American television show and unashamedly ambitious when it came to her professional and social life. Clips of her campaigning for gender equality dating back to childhood endeared her to the public. Pictures of her visiting developing countries with World Vision likened her as Princess Diana 2.0.

Shortly before her 2018 wedding, stories began emerging that gave some royal watchers pause for thought: the fact that she broke up with her first Trevor Engelson when she ‘made it’, when she threw a ‘sayonara Zara’ during which she gave away all her high street clothes for designer labels when she started making 'real' money and then, there was her complicated relationship with her father Thomas Markle.

All of these have plausible alternatives to what was being presented to the public: a). in the first instance, anyone who has ever been in a relationship understands it’s impossible to speculate (accurately) about the goings on between two people; b). stories with some truth can be exaggerated for dramatic effect and c). her father has proven himself time and time again to be untrustworthy and have no qualms in betraying his youngest daughter.

Before her wedding, she was hailed for her down-to-earth style: She wore flares! And jeans! And a low messy bun! Meghan Markle was truly one of us at heart. But the second she became the Duchess of Sussex, her life changed in an instant: those protocol-breaking moves that earned her so many positive headlines in her engagement were now interpreted as disrespectful to long-established rules and she was being portrayed as some sort of manipulative puppet-master pulling Harry’s strings and controlling his life. ( cont )

(cont) This portrayal of Harry, seemingly incapable of making his own decisions or taking the reins of his own life, should be more insulting to him and less a summary of her character. But instead, it's neither, just simply more evidence as to why his two long-term relationships with Cressida Bonas and Chelsy Davy ended because neither could cope with life in the royal fishbowl.

Meghan, an actress, seemed an appropriate fit who could cope with the intensity of the spotlight, understanding more than anyone the trade-off for fame and fortune is a little bit of your privacy. As a royal, that exchange is much deeper.

Harry, who is worth an estimated €40m, makes his money through an income with the Duchy of Cornwall - a private estate that funds the activities of whoever holds the title of Prince of Wales and his family - allocated by his father Prince Charles.

It means that the British taxpayer doesn’t fund every aspect of the royals’ lifestyles, but it does foot the bill for a significant portions like renovations to their homes and their security, through the Sovereign Grant. (Meghan and Harry's working wardrobes and staff are covered by the Duchy of Cornwall).

For the benefit of optics alone, it certainly doesn't bolster one's reputation as a woman of the people when your personal security team request that people not take your picture at one of the most photographed events in Britain.

While at Wimbledon this month, an event in which 12,000 other people were in attendance and which was being streamed live around the world for millions of people, Meghan came under fresh fire when a member of her personal protection team reportedly told a number of people in their surrounds not to take her picture as she as there in a “private capacity”.

This should raise red flags for two reasons: the first being the aforementioned tricky relationship with the taxpayer and the second that anyone in a position of power and influence trying to rewrite the rules to suit only them is cause for concern.

Meghan and Harry’s desire to seek extraordinary levels of privacy in their family comes at a time when public interest in the royals has reached its highest in decades. After she gave birth to baby son Archie in May, the couple opted against a photocall-on-the-steps-of-the-Lindo-Wing à la Kate Middleton and Prince William. (cont)

(cont) They agreed to a brief interview and some pictures in Windsor as a compromise to satiate people's appetites, while also maintaining respect for their newborn son and a woman who had given birth just hours earlier.

Some in the press corps felt hard done by after dutifully reporting on Harry’s personal passions and professional achievements for so many years. However, the idea of forcing a woman to wear a (white!) dress, high heels and full hair and makeup hours after giving birth doesn’t sit right with me, no matter how famous she is.

It was a fair choice to handle it the way in which they did. By the time Archie’s christening rolled around last week, however, the tide had turned once again.

The timing was poor. Annual accounts from Buckingham Palace showed that the Sussexes used £2.4m of public funds to renovate their home at Frogmore Cottage - and it's not unrealistic to assume not all of these were essential foundational and structural works.

The news that the couple would not be allowing access to press, an arguably harmless royal tradition, set the tone for how much of Archie’s life would be represented in public.

There would be no goodwill photocalls, but instead, their own well-choreographed message sending through social media. After his baptism, they released a black and white picture of the three of them, alongside a one featuring more of the direct family, through their Sussex Royal Instagram account and to newspapers hours after the fact.

The pictures were beautiful and prompted the same gushing coverage as it would have had there been press access allowed; but it left a sour taste in many people’s mouths.

Still, you could argue that Harry is trying to right the wrongs of his own childhood, offering his son the chance at a relatively normal life, the one he yearned for so much before accepting his fate well into his 30s.

Meghan, for the most part, likely goes along with what he says; not because she’s doubling down on her feminist values, but he’s the one familiar with the rules and regulations. To think that she is single-handedly rewriting the rules to suit her own agenda inaccurately - and unfairly - demonises the woman in the situation, when the man, who grew up a literal prince in a palace, likely had his own plans for years. (cont)

(cont) There is no rulebook in place for high ranking royals’ maternity leave and Kate Middleton carved out her own path after welcoming oldest son Prince George in 2013. She returned to her duties six weeks later and after Charlotte and Louis, she took significantly longer.

She didn’t, however, attract the same public attention as Meghan has during that time. In fact, a Kate-sighting during her maternity leave without an attendance-required event like Trooping the Colour, was a rarity. In comparison, Meghan has been having her cake and eating it too as she embraces the positives of her public life without any of the pesky annoyances of royal responsibility.

Last Sunday night, she walked the red carpet - her first as a duchess - with her husband for the European premiere of The Lion King,meeting Beyoncé and Jay-Z and the rest of the cast and crew.

The day before, she returned to Wimbledon with her sister-in-law and in a stroke of genius, was also joined by Pippa Matthews. Pippa and Kate, life-long tennis fans, arrived early and stayed late, but Meghan took her seat at the royal box in centre court for long enough to appreciate the ambiance of SW19 and achieve the desired positive publicity before likely rushing home to be with her two-month-old baby.

For someone seeking privacy, she sure is attending a lot of public events.

Throughout much of Meghan’s time in the royal bubble, there has been an endless stream of the inevitable comparisons to Kate, who is now being held as the benchmark for all normal people-turned-royals; but who went through her own hell with the press for years.

She was cruelly dubbed ‘Waity Katie’ because Prince William didn’t propose for more than seven years and her family’s own colourful history was exploited for headlines, whether it be her uncle Gary Goldsmith's criminal conviction or the classist coverage around the fact that her mother used to work as a flight attendant.

They followed her relentlessly and because she wasn’t an official royal, without a bodyguard to match, she had to deal with much of the attention herself. In comparison, when Meghan attended the Invictus Games in Toronto to cheer on Harry, in their first public confirmation of their relationship, she was given a security officer in the arena.

Neither example is a lesson in ‘how it should be done’, but rather proof that what’s being done is constantly evolving. (cont)

(cont) There are any number of simple ways that Meghan could make her life - or at least her public perception - easier. Like these:

1. She can ditch the expensive clothes for daywear. There is no reason to wear Givenchy at every opportunity when there are plenty of alternative high street options that won’t make her seem like a ‘copy Kate'. RIXO London, Self Portrait and Sophie Hulme offer myriad options that aren’t cheap without being mouth-wateringly expensive.

2. She should take some real time away from the spotlight. The temptation to re-frame your narrative must be too tempting to resist, but with time away, like during her maternity leave, she could effectively strategise an actionable game plan of the best way to make her comeback work for her.

3. She should start publicising her relationship with her mother. It’s a controversial suggestion as Doria is a private citizen, but much of the criticism around Meghan involves her strained relationship with her father and the rest of her family. Doria is well-received in every inch of coverage and pushing forward the three generations with the royals would be an easy win.

4. Stop listening to Harry. This is based off the idea that she is, in fact, following his guidance; but Meghan didn’t claw her way to the top of Toronto society and turning a C-list television career into a path to duchess-dom without listening to her gut.

5. Acceptance. You can’t have it both ways, not without ruining your own efforts in the process. Take the good with the and carve out your own happy ending. There's no such thing as having it all, but you can come pretty close.

Online Editors

The editorial quoted in R478 suggests Meghan could get back on track by publicising her relationship with Doria. I'd maintain she's already doing that as much as she can, but Doria has a life of her own and no need to to join her daughter on her climb. She puts in her appearances at major life events, and that's it.

Scrollin', scrollin', scrollin'.....

Edo is probably watching the missteps of Duchess MM and taking notes, for he is clearly cut from the same ambitious cloth.

R469, I thought "dangling tendrils" was in reference to her messy bun, which is a boring basic hairdo rather than a feature of African hair.

The two images that encompass and encapsulate the essence of Megs: those sloppy, dangling tendrils and this.

It's nice, r478, of the Irish Independent to try to help put out the dumpster fire that is Meghan Markle, but sadly it's all too little, too late.

Hey anti-Asian racist troll - give it a break.

You are like a child calling Dara Huang "tiny eyes"

I think it's great that Dara didn't have eyelid surgery to conform to your ideals about beauty. So many Asian women feel such pressure to do that.

This thread will go the way of the other if you keep up your vile racist comments.

[quote]4. Stop listening to Harry. This is based off the idea that she is, in fact, following his guidance; but Meghan didn’t claw her way to the top of Toronto society and turning a C-list television career into a path to duchess-dom without listening to her gut.

What excellent advice. I'm abandoning the Golden Rule this instant.

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LOL.... that was quicker than Wikipedia updating a death.

R456, the POSTER lives in Yorkshire and wrote that Andrew VISITS Yorkshire frequently. Which the POSTER knows b/c he is a Yorkshire resident.

R456, the POSTER lives in Yorkshire and wrote that Andrew VISITS Yorkshire frequently. Which the POSTER knows b/c he is a Yorkshire resident.

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R486, my cat does the same.

Dangling Tendrils.

Never realised how much Harry looks like Aphex Twin ^^^^

Tendrills with a messy bun is a hair style that was particularly popular in the 90s, a decade that seeming had a huge impact on Me-Gain and her sense of style. It is a style worn by people of all races and hair textures, see link. Nothing to do with lynching, sorry reaching poster, take your meds or strike that out in your trolling script.

Tendrills with a messy bun is a hair style that was particularly popular in the 90s, a decade that seeming had a huge impact on Me-Gain and her sense of style. It is a style worn by people of all races and hair textures, see link. Nothing to do with lynching, sorry reaching poster, take your meds or strike that out in your trolling script.

Vaguely related but John Major declined a life peerage after standing down in 2002 (?) It is usual for an ex-PM to have a life peerage. Major is a member of the Order of the Garter, which is usual for exPMs as well. But since then... nada. Nothing for Blair, Brown, Cameron, etc. I think it's distaste for Tony Blair. Life peerages are made as advice to the Sovereign (read no choice but yes) on the advice of the government. Nobody wants to be the one to award Tony Blair.

Tony Blair singlehandedly destroyed Britain, r497

And I think that's the block to the rest of them, R498... he's such a snake, nobody will be the one to give him the gong and so the rest of them dangle. Though none of them stand out as deserving either. Still, the entire country is built around the idea that's just how things are done. So Tony Blair is such a colossal fuck up he's upended a thousand years of British tradition.

Yup.

R402 - The Duchess of Gloucester is not divorced from her "current" husband, which is a metaphysical impossibility, anyway, as a current husband means the woman isn't divorced. The Duchess of Cornwall is divorced from her former husband, Andrew Parker-Bowles. The Duchess of Gloucester still is married to her "current" husband, the Duke of Gloucester, and has been since 1972, and was never married to anyone else. She took her mother's maiden name when her parents separated. The Duchess herself is still married to her fir.st and only and current husband, the Duke,

R402 was not saying that. R402 understands forms of address.

R459 - Jesus, maybe you'd care to rejoin the rest of us here on Planet Earth?

People are deriding Edo not because he’s Eurotrash, but because he seems like a climber, looks like a coke fiend, and has a history of treating at least one of his partners like shit. I’m the poster above who said he was Lord Snowdon 2.0–just because he grew up in Bea’s circle doesn’t mean he’s not a social climber. It’s sad that Bea’s too stupid, or too scared of being alone, to realize this.

She may be going into it eyes wide open (easier for her than others, you must admit.) The British aristocracy are schooled in arrangement marriages. She may be content to marry, have a father for her children, a companion in pubic and as suits them in private. If he's as bad (as he seems.) But you can't judge a book by its cover. I mean, Diana...

Yes r504, he is indeed a social climber.

She's an English Royal Princess and he's just a European Count. You're right. He's marrying up.

Having said that, given what we've seen recently, it's better than marrying down into the depths of the deepest LA dumpsters, isn't it?

Bea's desperate to marry. Her parents are even more desperate for her to marry. They need someone presentable. Wealthy would be a nice to have, but at this point, it is not as important as hustling that bug . . . uhhhhh . . . woman down the aisle. An unmarried woman at her age and in her social circle is a social nightmare. Better to exile her to Australia or Canada than have her around as a continued embarrassment.

A Princess down the aisle with a Count (however lowly) - and one We Know, at that.

I'll bet Bea's parents are over the moon about this match, r507

You're sweet, r300. Anyway, there's a lot to agree with in the opinion posted beginning at r474.

It reinforces my oft-stated observation that the NY City Show Folk Trash Spectacle Shower was a major mistake. "They don't make it easy" is another mistake and , of course, "No Pictures" makes it a trifecta of image mismanagement.

And that's just what we've observed as members of the audience. The backstage drama must be rich.

If there ever was a time for Markle to restrain her thirst for attention it was right after she curtsied to the QE II at her wedding. She should have stuck to her appearance schedule, accepted every thing their is to learn about being a Royal and not set a foot wrong.

If she had done that, held herself back, her appearance , say, at the Lion King premeire would have been so much more impactful, to use an awkward adjective., because the curiosity to see the reserved Duchess would have been through the roof.

That kind of restraint takes discipline and sophistication.

Caitlin McBride: 'Meghan Markle is her own worst enemy'

Judging by the past 85 threads, this is a dubious assertion.

The self-pitying arrogance of “Thank you, they don’t make it easy” combined with the cluelessness necessary to say it in front of the assembled media makes me wonder, once again, if Markle might be suffering from postpartum depression and not getting the help that she needs.

I don’t get why it’s important to the royal family for Bea to marry. I get why it’s important to *her* but it’s not like the family needs her to produce an heir. If she were a more interesting person she’d worry less about being single over 30 and take advantage of her privileges to travel the world and meet all kinds of people.

R464, so someone who grows up in a flea-ridden shithole is unworthy? Why even bring that up as a negative? Someone who was born in those circumstances and makes something of themselves is worthy of praise, not ridicule.

Markle is so emotionally stunted that it's probably impossible for her to experience true depression. Smugness and self pity are the limits of her emotional range. She only cares about other people insomuch as what they can do for her. She really doesn't "see" other people, just herself reflected back.

Looking forward to the Bea and Edo engagement and wedding. He may be a social climber, but he doesn't seem dreary and self-important like you know who. Their wedding will be a fun event.

She said it TWICE that night, once outside and once to Pharrell. Seems that she wanted it to be overheard. She does like to stir the pot, our Megsy, and they are angling HARD for a payout to go away. That would only fuel the victimhood at the base of their -- brand.

Too funny, r493. lol

- Dangling Tendrils OP

R515 - Victimhood for someone in her position gets tedious really quickly. No one likes whiners.

She has a golden opportunity to make a difference, to do some good, to highlight worthy causes, spread some sunshine etc...and so far she's squandering it.

Sorry for delay folks. As promised, posting excerpts from BANNED IN U.K. "The Housekeeper's Diary" (as one liners):

- "Hello there, you must be Wendy. Would you mind getting a bucket and sponge ready? Harry has been sick in the car." Such was my auspicious first meeting with Prince Charles. "I simply don't know what's wrong with the boy. He keeps on being ill whenever he goes on long car journeys," added the Prince.

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R131

[quote] Even the title ridiculed African hair.

"Dangling tendrils" referred to the way Meghan wore messy buns with strands of hair hanging around her face. It's a common hairstyle worn by women. It had nothing to do with her being part black.

Excerpts from BANNED IN U.K. "The Housekeeper's Diary" (as one liners):

"In the bathroom, Charles had his own set of linen hand towels, specially made for him by some nuns in America and with the Prince of Wales feathers crest blazoned across them. These, like Teddy, travelled everywhere with him. There were unfortunately only four of them, and because they were linen, they would become creased after every use. It was my job to replace them each time - which some days meant dozens of times. Because of this, I would be continually washing and ironing the wretched things - the whole chore made worse when one of them mysteriously disappeared!"

Sarah is desperate for Bea to marry because it gives her a year to Tweet over the moon about it, like she did with Eug. She loves the attention, although unfortunately she blew it when she showed up for Eug’s wedding drunk or high. Maybe she won’t make the same mistake twice when her daughter becomes a newly minted Italian countess and wife of a millionaire.

ugh, I wonder if Edo’s family are friends with the House of Savoy. They’re a tacky and troublemaking bunch, I hope they won’t be at the wedding.

Excerpts from BANNED IN U.K. "The Housekeeper's Diary" (as one liners):

"William and Harry had breakfast in the nursery with Barbara while Charles and Diana came down to the dining room. You could have cut the atmosphere with a knife. As the coffee pot was taken through we all heard Diana shriek: "Oh for God's sake, Charles!" and then the sound of a banging door and footsteps running up to her bedroom. It was, unfortunately, going to be one of those days.

I was already upstairs doing the bathrooms but had fortunately made a start on the Prince's room and not Diana's. I was carefully placing his Teddy back on top of the rust-red bedspread as I heard her rush into her room and fling herself down on to her doubled bed. She was crying uncontrollably and I felt trapped in a terrible dilemma......

I looked at the Prince's Teddy - an ancient, patched up cuddly toy that was packed by his valet in a plastic shirt-bag and accompanied the Prince everywhere. I could see a bit of stuffing starting to peel through Teddy's left arm, and made a mental note to send him back to Charles' nanny Mabel Anderson, the only woman allowed to do repairs, who would cover the area with a small patch of chamois leather.

Looking at Teddy, knowing that he would be chauffeur-driven for his repairs, and hearing the sounds of sobbing coming from Diana's room, I felt caught up in some dreadful, surreal tragedy.

Ahem, speaking of Bea, why did she ruin her lovely outfit with that horrid hat? She looks good in the black dress.

r522 is the perfect example of a poster far too invested in supposed squabbles among families he has never, nor will ever, meet.

^ has never met and will never meet.

R484 Thanks for saying that, I've read from time to time on this long-running thread, references to Asians being ugly because of "tiny eyes" and other bullshit racist trope. They must be really dumb or old and live in the boonies because no one I know talks that way. But no one ever rebuts the idiot(s) who say those things. Now I guess some fat frau fans of Bea are going off on Dara making fun of her looks and accomplishments, as if being smart and successful must naturally be "exhaustive to be around" or "product of Tiger Moms". Dara comes from a wealthy, educated family, her father worked as a NASA scientist, a far cry from toe-sucking mother or shady dealing father. Also maybe their ideal of success is a Z-list, thirsty actress who was molded by shitty parents growing up in tacky, fame-obsessed L.A. Face it, Bea likable as she appears is a work-shy, chubby "professional" with shady parents, someone who racks up more vacation days than work days. Edo is marrying her for prestige and connections. Bea is marrying down due to first and foremost Edu's character, or lack thereof. If he cheated with you then he's going to cheat on you.

Excerpts from BANNED IN U.K. "The Housekeeper's Diary" (as one liners):

"While Sarah was a simple, relatively uncomplicated girl at this time I had heard horror stories about Andrew from my son and other staff at Buckingham Palace. As a royal child he had been brought up, like Charles, to be waited on hand and foot, and as a result tended to barge his way around the house, expecting to be looked after and served for every whim. It was explained to me that it wasn't his fault, simply that he had been tested in a system that allowed him practically anything he wanted,"

^^^^^REARED not tested.

R528

R512, a cursory look at the DM's sidebar of shame will show you that Bea is travelling world and meeting ... people. Whether the international rich are interesting, I don't know.

One grows bored with the endless prattling about that trollop and the bastard prince. Must One endure talk of that woman into eternity? One is well aware scandals and bastards within the monarchy. One's own Mother was our French cook. That is why One is often referred to as Cookie. One's reign was more scandalous and interesting.

Even in a review of the summer opening at Buckingham Palace, Harry takes a whack for being Duke of Dickhead.

[quote]Someone who was born in those circumstances and makes something of themselves is worthy of praise, not ridicule.

It's almost 2020. Marrying well is not worthy of praise, unless you're a grifter, and then that praise is ambivalent.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I am very sure that Sarah and Andrew would greatly appreciate if Bea was able to reel in the son of a multibillionaire. as did Pippa Middleton. Then they could have grifted forever off their in laws.

Bea is just not billionaire material. Her parents are sordid grifters and she is of physically and intellectually poor genetic stock.

Edo may be a millionaire, but in London how far does that go? No lovely home in west London worth 17 million pounds like Pippa. No private jet and family-owned compound in Mustique, like Pippa. Edo and Bea will need to continue to grift to prop up Bea's lifestyle. As Bea gets older, she will have to hustle like Prince and Princess Michael, of the "rent a prince" fame. Perhpas Bea can make money like her papa, sneaking in people for parties in Buckingham Palace. King Charles may come down hard on that, though.

Hello Dangling Tendrils OP, your threads were the best!

It seems to be a flapper flip-flop party. R534

I followed R311's link, and ended up purchasing a bunch of stuff I didn't need from the Buckingham Palace gift shop. I will admit to being an idiot to save others the trouble.

OK. I've read that these threads are about useless personages who are universally ignored. I've felt that the British Royal Family had some meaning to the people who live in the United Kingdom. I can't pretend to understand what a person in the UK feels. I'm going to add a work of fiction, however. At least I'm clear that I'm adding a work of fiction.

R88, Kylie Jenner is what - 20? She's young and independently wealthy.

Meghan is middle-aged. Seriously, she's practically 40 years old. That's just not hot.

George at 6.

Agree, R540 and no amount of $ thrown at PR can change that. Plus, now she is chunky. Not hot. Not young.

R377: HARRY - NEVER IMAGINING HOW BALD HE WOULD ONE DAY BECOME

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Unbelievable what's happened to this thread. Only 20 replies on a Sunday?

If Datalounge is on some kind of suicide bid, don't do it, Muriel!!

Bea and Edo will marry by the end of next year. It will be an over the top, lavish, affair at Windsor Castle. They will acquire a nice residence, probably have one or two kids, and then they will divorce. She (or the media) will discover he has been cheating on her and using her status to boost his own profile and business interests. This will still be a good outcome for someone like Bea; a divorced mother of one or two kids is better than being an unfortunate spinster in aristocratic circles.

I hope that Edo is some latter day Rocco Siffredi, and that's making it all worthwhile to Bea.

Oh, my god, the Bea-spinster-avoidance-obsessed troll is back at R546. After people asked him to stop saying that, he was able to hold off for a few weeks, but here he is, still saying the same bullshit.

This thread very frequently crashes my browser. Sometimes it’s fine, like now. Sometimes though if I click reply and try to type it sort of freezes up, and then Chrome throws me an error message. No other threads do it, it’s almost always a Me! thread too. Does it have to do with all the links to British tabloids? or to heavy FF flame of users on the thread? So strange. And NO, it’s not Muriel doing to do me, although one of your cunts are dying to say that. If she wants to silence you then you can’t reply on ANY post, and when you try you get the warning. This thing happening to me isn’t a warning message, it’s a genuine error message from the browser.

Edo is cute. His past is sketchy. He won't get his hands on Bea's inheritance, so her money is safe. He's neutered and has to behave if he wants to live the consort lifestyle.

Some of the people who want to talk about Edo are really just trying to deflect from the bald Harry and Princess Privacy.

[quote]She may be going into it eyes wide open (easier for her than others, you must admit.)

You’re terrible.

R549. Markle is disrupting things when you get out of line.

Markle's inner fattypants exploded. That's all.

If you want it to be a liberating moment for all the fatties, then every criticism of her will get shouted down as "RACIST!" (because FATTIST! won't win you any points)

If you're British and you think your chain's being yanked by an American who wants 100,000 POUND dresses on your dime, you're a RACIST if you complain.

Also, the wife of the future King, and incidentally the mother of the future king manages to be more frugal.

The posters crying racism are inevitably American and not paying for her.

Oh dear R116, I do so hope you’re wrong. Some people need to disappear once they have outlived their public usefulness. Or before that if possible.

There's a difference between fame and notoriety, at least for thinking people. I suppose you're right, if you're the sort takes the Kardashians seriously.

The posters crying racism are inevitably PR and not paid by her.

Fixed it for you.

Her backers are a curious lot, Clooney is CFR.

Ack

PAID BY HER

Muriel, when oh when might we be granted an edit button?

I wonder if Bea is up to the task of being a stepmother to a child, especially since Bea's romance with the then-partnered Edo led to the collapse of Wolfie's mom and his dad's relationship.

As Wolfie gets older, he may have a lot of questions for Bea.

Similar to Will and Harry in regards to their stepmother.

R559, I don't think Bea really knows what she's in for, if they end up getting married (which will probably happen soon).

The engagement is on, as bookies have suspended betting on odds of this.

Won't it be so cute to have young Wolfie as the ring bearer at the wedding. He is a beautiful child.

Meghan bans the neighbors from speaking to her. Because she has spastic fart disease and doesn't want anyone to find out.

[quote]Meghan bans the neighbors from speaking to her.

At least she didn’t ban them from making eye contact.