Jeffrey Epstein Arrested - part 3

More info on JE's #1 assistant.

Real hedge fund traders think it's likely that Epstein ran a sketchy, Madoff-type operation and that his money really did come from blackmail. Not rude blackmail, but tasteful, understated blackmail: he would compromise his friends and then "suggest" that they invest their money with him.

I remember reading speculation on the relationship between Wexner and Epstein years ago. Apparently Wexner fell out with Epstein even before he was first arrested, but he was worried about completely severing ties due to something Epstein supposedly had on him.

It could definitely have been blackmail of some kind as Wexner has long been rumoured to be gay.

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Many of you were asking "why now?" in the last thread. The FOSTA / SESTA acts were signed in 2018. It is the reason backpage and craigslist personals were shut down. The government really wants to crackdown on prostitution, all under the guise of stopping sex trafficking. that's why that massage parlor in FL got raided recently as well. It is interesting that Trump would be behind this considering how many women he has probably paid for sex over the years. One wonders if he really did have a falling out with Epstein and wanted to fuck him.

I remember reading about a major blackmail scheme many years ago (so I don't recall the source) and am not sure if it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is since it involves Epstein and blackmail. The article said that in the late 1980s Jeff Epstein was hired on by top-level investment bankers funded by a very small group of the wealthiest persons on Earth, some whom we've never heard of but are wealthy beyond the imagination, wealthier than the high-profile billionaires we know of) to blackmail every major world leader for decades, including powerful U.S. politicians. These specific surveillance cameras were undetectable and not available to the public. Epstein's crew initially set up a popular public relations side-show that was sure to attract every noble degenerate with all kinds of entertainment served. It was a sure way to own ALL 3 branches of US government. Again, don't know if this actually occurred but I remember that the source at the time when I read it in the late 90s was a reliable one and not an off-the-wall crazy conspiracy site.

I have never heard of this site (Veterans Today) before and have no idea whether it is bunk or reliable or anywhere in between but it is interesting.

Was Melania Trafficked? Trump Hosted Party with Epstein and 29 Girls

Editor’s note: We have confirmed that Jeffrey Epstein owned a modeling agency where he brought girls in from Slovenia to be used to seduce and blackmail wealthy and powerful men, according to a new MSM story, on behalf of Israeli intelligence. We also know that it was Jeffrey Epstein that introduced Melania to Donald, something confirmed in the MSM story below. Are those things connected? (see more at link)

whoa R6, that's some heavy stuff. it's actually a pretty brilliant premise for a thriller. and it sounds right up Putin's alley. as for Trump: his head is spinning. he doesn't know what he doing, and certainly does not know why, most of the time. but the question would remain, why now? did Epstein get sloppy? was he too hot because of the Miami Herald coverage and arrest?

It's BS that Epstein introduced Melania to Trump. It was already posted in the other thread. How they met was already detailed in a book.

R8 meet r5.

Surely if word got out that Epstein was a grifter and blackmailer, most billionaires would have gone out of their way to avoid him. Unless they were afraid of him, which means he probably wasn't working alone and was backed by powerful interests.

The Courtney Love connection: I remember her having a major meltdown about ten or so years ago, where she was reported as being obsessed that someone or some group had 'defrauded' her of most of her (i.e, Kurt Cobain's) money. She was relapsing on drugs around the same time and everyone just assumed she'd spent it all on crack and luxuries and was so addled and paranoid she'd forgotten about it, but after her Epstein connections came to light I have to wonder whether she might actually have been onto something.

R6: Apparently Acosta was told to go easy on Epstein because he was "intelligence". So, could be true.

So he's Intelligence means he's CIA?

Yes r7 maybe she was trafficked even though these two liars keep going along with the bs story that they met at a NYC fashion show when they had already been together a number of times before going to that event and pretending in front of everyone (to make it seem real) that they had just met.

Also, bear in mind that Melania had no job and zero income. She didn't speak English well enough at the time to get a good job and she never actually made any money from modeling because she was never actually a model.

Anyone can say they are an actor but if they never played any actual role then they are not an actor, only in their fantasy. If they were never compensated for modeling then they are only a model in their own head, not a real model even if they have that glamorous model look and the height. The black and white photos of Melania are from her early portfolio which she paid a photographer to have done more than once. And she was also not compensated for the naked photo shoots and other post-Trump photos. Trump paid for them. She just looked like a model but was never really a model because she never received compensation for modeling. Trump paid for all of the photo shoots of her shortly after they married.

The point is that she must have been desperate for money and likely was an escort/hooker who came here to the US under suspicious circumstances. She did make good money off her jewelry line shortly after they married but that ended rather abruptly. Other than the short-lived jewelry line after they were married she has no proof of prior income since escort services/ prostitution, etc., are an unrecorded/unreported cash only business. How could she have afforded to live in NYC of all places?

All of this, including her past income / financial records from back then should be thoroughly investigated as well as that of the psychopath she is married to. More dark, ugly things about Trumps sordid past could easily surface if this were thoroughly investigated.

What Courtney Love connection? Just because her name was in his phone book? He probably thinks she's ancient.

R11 As I mentioned in my R6 post the article I read said JE was backed by powerful interests; a small group of the wealthiest people on the planet.

It also said that they control the government from behind the scenes. They knew JE was the man for the job and provided everything JE needed to make this global blackmail scheme happen, from the undetectable security cameras to the marketing / sales pitch, everything, the entire set-up, from A-Z.

Holy Fuck, R16 is a full-on QAnon MAGAt talking about the DEEP STATE.

Totally fucking insane.

Melania was married before she met orange turd. Green card marriage probably.

What happened to Part II?

NBC News: Jeffrey Epstein allegedly wired $350,000 to two possible co-conspirators identified in his NPA (authorized by Alex Acosta) within days of the Miami Herald publishing their stories last year, prosecutors say.

R18, really? Link?

Epstein is now accused of witness tampering by federal prosecutors, who said he wired $350,000 to two people who were potential witnesses against him.

good, lock him up and throw away the key!

So he's only half a billionaire...

Here you go, R19.

I. https://www.datalounge.com/thread/24262611-jeffrey-epstein-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-of-minors-charges-in-ny.#

II. https://www.datalounge.com/thread/24263158-breaking!-jeffrey-epstein-arrested-in-new-york#

I. got carried over to II.

R17: it's not just MAGA / Q muppets who think there's some merit to these rumours.

How long before the media stops highlighting this story because of the type of people involved?

[How long before the media stops highlighting this story because of the type of people involved?]

Why should they?

ooops. R28 here. my quote didn't work.

[quote How long before the media stops highlighting this story because of the type of people involved?]

again.

and again, why should the media stop?

Not telling the MAGAt how to properly use the Quote function.

[quote] How long before the media stops highlighting this story because of the type of people involved?

R6 - Interesting. I've read similar ideas. Recently it was suggested (I can't recall where) that in the grander scheme of things in the world of the wealthy and powerful, Epstein's arrest is a distinct warning of some kind to certain people who are also members in the top tier levels of power and money. This idea might only be part of fringe conspiracy theory, but it's fascinating to speculate!

So, R33 is a QAnon MAGAt as well.

"The DEEP STATE"!!!

R33 yeah a warning from Putin. “I’m richer and know all your sins!”

R34, LOL, you're way off base there, but I had a good laugh so thanks for that. It is true that I love reading conspiracy theories, and also discussing them, though. The R6 idea would make a great movie. Someone should get on that, I'm sick of all the reboots.

The theories that Epstein or some other super-powerful billionaire are blackmailing the US government are bunk.

But the last 20 years, between the Catholic Church scandal, the rise of Fox News as pollution, the Russian influence stuff, the Panama Papers, Me Too, and now this—I cannot fault people for believing in these kind of “puppetmaster of the world” conspiracy theories. The more obviously justice is perverted, the less people trust our system of justice.

As for the media, they will keep covering this as long as it sells like hot cakes, which it always will.

You actually believe that Hillary is the Head of the Deep State? The leader of the Cabal?????

Insane.

R33 I agree.

They want them to get the message or are sending a clear message to them.

In any case my post is information I read decades ago that seemed to ring true but as I mentioned is theory, speculation, that I did not claim to be factual because I do not personally know the source. I wish I could remember the website but it was way back in the late 90s. I used to read the articles on their site often and never got the impression they were embellishing, exaggerating or lying. As far as my R14 post I know that to be true or mostly true just from living in NYC. Word used to get around more back then than now.

Seriously, who thinks he will get whacked before he can really talk?

I want to see the blackmail materials. I wonder where he hid it?

hi gigi!

I don't think he'll get whacked; if there are more powerful players behind him, it'll look too obvious. He could be "advised" to only disclose certain things though. Perhaps in return for a shorter sentence or incarceration in an isolated cell away from gen pop.

Some speculation here on the facts behind Ward's report that Acosta claimed JE was let off because he was "intelligence" (which he non-denied yesterday). Toys with connections to Mossad and Russia. Too wild?

I don't think he's a spy for Israel or Russia, that would make him a traitor! Maybe CIA.

We all know he's going to jail, he will have plenty of time to write a book, I would like to read it.

[quote] that would make him a traitor!

Yeah. A child sex trafficker to the stars could only be the reddest blooded patriot! America, fuck yeah!

In the late 80s, Epstein was supposedly hired by wealthy investment bankers who were funded by a small group of people with unimaginable generational wealth, and who stay out of the spotlight. They hired him and they monitored his work. THEY have the goods, THEY supposedly have the evidence against world leaders including US politicians and high-profile figures for their evil blackmailing purposes. They paid Epstein to get it for them and they paid for the sales pitch/set up. They hired Epstein to do their dirty work. The article said that they use that information/evidence to control US politicians, world leaders, etc.

As I said I don't know if that theory I read decades ago is true but if it is I never said Epstein had blackmail evidence on powerful leaders. If that blackmail scheme story is true Epstein may possibly have had access to some of the blackmail evidence he obtained for them as part of the original agreement and arrangement, but he was hired to get it for them, not for himself.

R48, that's the plot of the Red Riding Quartet, more or less. Only instead of international, Pearce placed everything in Yorkshire.

More like Barr hires a pedophile because he is a pedophile. Epstein had enough smarts to cultivate rich people and to document their nasty sex habits.

Has this been covered here? I saw it on another website. Seems damning if true.

Kirkland & Ellis LLP Law Firm:

- Acosta worked there. - Brett Kavanaugh worked there. - William Barr worked there. - John Bolton worked there. - They defended Epstein and got him off.

And Kirkland and Ellis represents Alfa Bank which was the bank pinging the DeVoss and Trump Tower servers, and also Semion Mogilevich’s plaything. Mob mob mob. K and E also represent the Russian mob.

Mark Filip, DAG who signed off on the Epstein non-prosecution agreement works there now.

R50, Kirkland & Ellis has always been a Republican leaning law firm. A lot of Scalia and Thomas clerks have worked there. I think Kenneth Starr worked there as well. I assume that it’s an epicenter of ideological rot.

I just googled Kirkland and Ellis. Richest law firm in the world. Headquartered in Chicago.

These are the clearest photos we've seen so far:

Video:

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The link in R53 is clearly from a loony right-wing site, but does show tolerably clear photos. Tasteful Friends, what do we think of Mr. Epstein's architectural discernment? What do we think the interior design is like?

There is a photo of a MAGA flag in R53, how did that get there?!

what the fuck is 3325e?

How much did Acosta get?

Good Trumpcast today all about it.

Everything is pretty clear. I'm surprised that no one is connecting the dots. It's hard not to see the forest for the trees. There are all types of modeling agencies in New York. Some are legit, some are trying to take financial advantage of want-to-be models and more than a handful are fronts for high class prostitution. Of course, Melania was an eastern European hooker, escort, brought to the US under the guise of a modeling contract. She was brought here to meet wealthy Americans. Trump Model Management did this exact same thing. YOUNG European girls brought to the US and lots of nude photoshoots. Our first lady even has some nude photos circulating. Few actually became models but they all attended parties to mingle with people who could make their careers. Melania happened to be registered with another agency when she met Trump but its all part of the same world. Trump and Melania and Epstein were all part of it. Sex trafficking, money laundering, gambling are all part of this world and Trump was right in the middle. This sex thing with underage girls is what is going to bring this presidency down. It's hard to put a spin on the legitimacy of raping a 14 year old girl.

It's a bit like the Millionaire Matchmaker - although they cleaned Patti Stanger up a bit for TV and made the premise presentable. Lots of young girls want to marry a millionaire.

Please insert a few facts with theory please. What year did Melania come to the USA? and What year did she meet Trump. From reading reports years ago, she was married to another man before Trump...green card marriage possibly.

Of course Melania is a whore. Most models are. They marry the richest "John" they can.

How was this guy walking around free for a decade? And why suddenly is he being brought to justice?

New book “The Method to the Madness: Donald Trump’s Ascent as Told by Those Who Were Hired, Fired, Inspired — and Inaugurated” by Allen Salkin and Aaron Short includes an account from Italian entrepreneur Paolo Zampolli that he introduced Donald Trump to Melania during a fashion party.

After the New York Times reported this week that Jeffrey Epstein claimed to have introduced the Donald to Melania, the authors reached out to Zampolli, an envoy to the UN for Dominca, to see if Epstein had attended the fashion bash.

Zampolli’s response, in red capital letters, was “NO WAY.”

He called the idea that Epstein had introduced them “fake news. B S.”

Melania has said she met Trump at the Kit Kat Club during New York Fashion Week in 1998. Trump called accused pedophile Epstein a “terrific guy” in New York Magazine in 2002, but said this week at the White House, “I had a falling out with him. I haven’t spoken to him in 15 years. I was not a fan of his.”

Paolo Zampolli was supposedly Melania's agent at the time of their meeting in 1998. I read that they actually met in 1996. This was the year of her nude lesbian photoshoot and the photographer claims that she was Trump's girl friend at the time. Problem with this story is that Trump was still married to Marla Maples at the time. I personally think the Trump/Melania meeting story at the Kit Kat Klub is made up or at least white washed. Interesting the Zampolli immediately jumped on the story when rumours were surfacing that Epstein introduced the two of them. Zampolli looks to be a bit shady as well.

not sure if this was posted. but a really good article about where how he made money.

sorry here it is...

In 1976, Epstein joined Bear as a floor trader’s assistant, making partner in a mere four years. By 1981, he was out, setting up the J. Epstein & Co. money-management business the next year. New York described his business strategy in 2002:

He would take total control of the billion dollars, charge a flat fee, and assume power of attorney to do whatever he thought was necessary to advance his client’s financial cause. And he remained true to the $1 billion entry fee. According to people who know him, if you were worth $700 million and felt the need for the services of Epstein and Co., you would receive a not-so-polite no-thank-you from Epstein.

In Vicky Ward’s recent process piece on her reporting of an Epstein profile for Vanity Fair in 2003, she lays out some of her thoughts on the matter of a possible benefactor. In addition to a claim from a Ponzi schemer that Epstein was kicked out of Bear Stearns in 1981 for “getting into trouble,” Ward suggests that Wexner may have helped bankroll the financier. Ward writes: “While Epstein’s friends speculated that retailer Les Wexner was the real source of Epstein’s wealth, Wexner (who called him ‘my friend Jeffrey’) never commented on this, though he did send me an email praising Epstein’s ‘ability to see patterns in politics and financial markets.’”

According to his lawyers, around the time of his notorious plea deal in Florida in 2008, Epstein’s net worth was over nine figures. The figure was “a bone of contention with Epstein’s lawyers,” Spencer Kuvin, an attorney representing three of Epstein’s alleged victims, told the Palm Beach Post in 2008. “In the litigation itself we were never able to get him to produce verified financial information. The ‘nine figures’ came by negotiation. It kept going up and up and up. They started at zero — they wouldn’t tell us at all.”

As Bloomberg states, “Today, so little is known about Epstein’s current business or clients that the only things that can be valued with any certainty are his properties.” According to a document submitted in advance of Epstein’s bail hearing, his Manhattan townhouse is estimated to be worth around $77 million. Then there are the properties in New Mexico, Paris, the U.S. Virgin Islands, his private jet, a fleet of 15 cars, and a Palm Beach compound estimated at $12 million.

But even the real-estate holdings have an air of mystery to them. Epstein purchased, or received, the Manhattan townhouse from Wexner around 1998. But there were no property records on the mansion’s transfer until 2011, when the company Wexner used to buy the place transferred it to an Epstein-owned company for $0. Epstein signed the document for both sides.

Financial Conspiracy Theory #1: Ponzi scheme

A Ponzi scheme has been floated as a possible source of Epstein’s wealth since as early as 2009, when Business Insider noted that multiple red flags pointed to a possible Madoff-like fraud. The secrecy of his client list; the “administrative” nature of all 150 of his employees in 2002; the absolute control over investors’ money, and the $1 billion basement investment required — all signs could point to Ponzi, although there’s no concrete evidence. In the story, finance writer John Carney raised a vital question, considering Epstein’s (limited) time in jail during the 2008 financial crisis: “How could Epstein’s one-man show not fall apart while he was in jail during one of the most volatile years in history?”

In addition, one of his early employers in finance, Steve Hoffenberg, was convicted of running one of the largest pre-Madoff Ponzi schemes in U.S. history. According to journalist Vicky Ward, Hoffenberg brought on Epstein in 1981 after he left Bear Stearns. “He has a way of getting under your skin,” he told Ward. Hoffenberg paid Epstein $25,000 per month for his work as a consultant for Towers Financial, though Epstein had left well before Hoffenberg pleaded guilty in 1994 to defrauding investors to the tune of $450 million. For years, it appeared Epstein had no exposure in the Towers Financial case, until 2018, when shareholders filed a putative class action suit against him for his alleged role in the Ponzi scheme. In a separate New York state case in 2018, Hoffenberg reportedly detailed Epstein’s alleged involvement in the scam.

Epstein and Jacko are so much alike when it comes to witness tampering and intimidation. This must be a rich pedo thing. Deplorable.

Theory #2: Blackmail And in a 2015 court filing, alleged Epstein victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre claims that U.S. authorities were in possession of footage of her having sex with members of Epstein’s elite friend group. “Based on my knowledge of Epstein and his organization, as well as discussions with the FBI, it is my belief that federal prosecutors likely possess videotapes and photographic images of me as an underage girl having sex with Epstein and some of his powerful friends,” she said. Giuffre claimed that Epstein “debriefed her” after she was forced into sexual encounters so that he could possess “intimate and potentially embarrassing information” to blackmail friends into parking their money with him.

Theory #3: Epstein “Belonged to Intelligence”

One of the more mysterious quotes of this whole conspiracy-adjacent mess comes from Alexander Acosta, the current Labor secretary, who arranged for Epstein to get off with just a wrist-slap in 2007, when he was a U.S. attorney. According to Vicky Ward, when Acosta was being interviewed for the Labor secretary job, he was asked if his involvement in the Epstein case would be a problem during his confirmation hearings.

Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers …

Whether that’s the American intelligence community, the greater point-one-percent brain trust, or just a garbage excuse, the answer was good enough for the Trump administration to go forward with Acosta’s nomination.

Theory #4: Offshore Tax Schemes / Money Laundering

Because Epstein’s wealth is held offshore and is shrouded in mystery, some speculate that he may have made his money in tax schemes or money laundering. According to a well-developed, if factually void, pan-conspiracist take from finance Twitter’s Quantian, Epstein could have blackmailed his social circle into investing with him, then dumped the cash in an offshore account to avoid taxes. Or, similar to the Ponzi scheme conspiracy — and, again, without basis in fact — there is so little paperwork on the funds that the whole thing could just be a rig for money laundering.

What could the coming investigation reveal?

Because so little is known about Epstein’s wealth and his ambiguous-to-the-point-of-suspicious Financial Trust Company, pretty much any revelation would help shed light on the financial black hole. But because the Southern District of New York’s Public Corruption Unit is handling the case, the likelihood of a financial or tax-related charge is much higher than if another arm of the mother court were in charge. Gene Rossi, a trial analyst for Law & Crime, suggested that the PCU could provide more flexibility on charges, including money laundering, corruption, or tax-related crimes: “The sky’s the limit.”

Is Sydney Pollack's character in Eyes Wide Shut the model for Epstein? This whole story makes me think of that movie.

Interesting article about Hawking's trip.

Could he have been an innocent victim in this scandal? Perhaps Epstein invited him as a sick joke, where he was forced to watch (and couldn't escape) the orgies.

I saw an odd post by Virginia Heffernan on Twitter. She said that William Barr's father wrote a book about sex trafficking in space, after he hired Epstein to teach in the early 70s. You can't make this up.

R77 yep TRUE

[quote]“How could Epstein’s one-man show not fall apart while he was in jail during one of the most volatile years in history?”

Because he wasn't really in jail; he was let out six days a week to work at his office or do whatever.

Since this story broke I've been curious to read Barr Sr's sci fi novels—or at least hear people's summaries and impressions of them. The one at R78 sounds spicy and twisted, esp coming from the conservative anti-hippie Headmaster Barr. Juxtapose those literary instincts with his and Barr Jr's bizarre love of playing the bagpipes and we got ourselves a couple of live ones.

Here's a pretty thorough review from 2008 on Pornokitsch

Thanks, R81.

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^ oh that professor is writing a _book_? Everything in that DM article is a rehash of the Vanity Fair/Daily Beast/Miami Herald articles. The only stuff I hadn't read before was the involvement of the J&J heir.

Anyway, many posters have pointed out that blackmail leads to rumors and doesn't jibe with his social standing (pre 2008). I think insider trading could have played a big part though.

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R81 Not surprisingly...

[quote]His exploration of slavery is neither sensitive nor telling. Despite repeatedly and officiously informing the reader that slavery is wrong at every turn (go figure), Barr creates two openly "superior" characters as his leads. Craig and Morgan freely kill, torture, seduce and make sweeping political decisions on behalf of thousands of people - but this is acceptable, because they're somehow imbued with "natural heroism". Slavery and oppression are wrong, unless you're someone as wise and talented as Craig or Morgan, in which you're perfectly justified in forcing decisions on other people.

As for blackmail, Epstein could have patiently videotaped encounters with many wealthy "guests" over a period of a year or more. Once he had incriminating evidence on multiple people, he could then spring the trap and demand $. He could negotiate regular ongoing payments in perpetuity, perhaps netting him millions per year. All of the "guests" would know they were in the same boat, but there wasn't anything they could do except keep paying.

Part 2 of R54:

NY Times has had stellar coverage of this.

This is their most recent piece, detailing how society types flocked back to him post-conviction and how some of them are now claiming that they were duped ("they said I was meeting Prince Andrew, but left off the bit about 'at Epstein's house'") and about Epstein's numerous PR attempts to position himself as a major philanthropist--only NYT claims none of the money he gave away was actually his. He also had an obsession with Harvard "took to wearing Harvard sweatshirts" even though he never went there.

They did this piece on his tenure at my school, I was there 20 some odd years later, so had zero knowledge of him, never even knew he had been a teacher there until this week.

He looks like a fucking serial killer in r90’s photo.

Like a deranged Berkowitz.

I was thinking that too R91, and that while he did make a very handsome 50 year old, he was not a very good looking 22 year old, even by 70s standards.

R65, Would that be the same Italian man who supposedly introduced George Clooney to his Italian GF several years ago?

More background from the Daily Beast, including the assertion that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell assaulted a girl at Victoria’s Secret founder Leslie Wexner's Ohio property, and that the Manhattan house was conveyed by Wexner to Epstein as "a gift." Also, he dodged questions about whether he ever had sex with Dalton students, and called 17-18 year old girls "old."

There are claims on the internet that the Egyptian-styled temple looks to some to be Masonic or a part of Freemasons. Comments? Guess the gold dome's missing. Would the owl statue on the roof still be in existence?

[quote]There are claims on the internet that the Egyptian-styled temple looks to some to be Masonic or a part of Freemasons.

Couldn't it just be poor taste? Like a Disneylandesque attempt to create a fantasy island?

Yes! He looks like a cross between David Berkowitz and Ted Bundy. Very 70s. Well, so far there's no evidence that he *isn't* a serial killer.

The Dome was blown off in a hurricane...

Courtney Love's name in Epstein's little black book makes me wonder if he didn't also make money through the drug trade. Certainly having a constant supply of drugs would also make his slaves more 'compliant'...

^heh heh

Hawkings went there for the women. He was going to strip clubs in the USA, according to TMZ.

He donated millions to Harvard...guess Harvard gonna keep the money.

I’m guessing only the ones with ramps, r101.

It's Hawking. No S.

As hard as it is to believe, Hawking was fucking around behind his wife's back.

[quote]Epstein's numerous PR attempts to position himself as a major philanthropist--only NYT claims none of the money he gave away was actually his.

How Trumpian of him.

R96, Considering the way the owl looks I cannot believe JE didn't know some would suspect weird associations with it. Either way the entire temple looks odd even to my untrained eye. I've seen absolutely beautiful Greek Orthodox Temples styled in blue & white after the Greek flag by comparison.

That Donald Barr book is weird as hell. What is whit these people? I don’t know why a bigger deal isn’t being made of the Epstein-Barr (ha ha) connection.

I think it’s fair to say he obviously made his money pimping little girls, trafficking “models” and then blackmailing perverts. He has secrets on everyone. I read an article that says he’s in business with the ex-PM of Israel, so he was protected on all sides. I wonder who was powerful enough to take him (and by extension Trump) down.

This temple/whatever is clearly sided in plywood and designs are painted onto it. There's not large set of solid wood doors and a bar over it. There's a painting of a set of solid wood doors with a bar over it on plywood. It's pretty clear. The one window visisible is some cheap vinyl sliding window.

R94, There have been internet rumors for years that VS models moonlight after their shows as escorts for the super rich and powerful. Or at least that Leo D. isn't the only one that gets a picture catalog with each young woman's stats.

Considering that these lovelies model revealing underwear for a high paying audience in various locales and millionaires love gorgeous young Americans I wouldn't be surprised if hook-ups don't occur with VS taking a cut. Or they could ask the incredibly rich to buy a certain amount of merchandise in exchange for an intro to their fav woman.

R109, Why choose those specific designs? Tasteful friends, don't you find it less than visually stunning?

Let’s hope this Epstein arrest takes Trump down, but w Barr heading the investigation it is unlikely.

Yes that Senior Barr book seems creepy and like an intense/extreme version of Ayn Rand.

Thanks Ruth for the keen observation of the striped building, so nothing more than cheap construction. So what went on in that windowless box? Will we ever know.

Apologies if this was discussed earlier; it's about a twitter thread that tries to account for Epstein's wealth. If anything like this is right, there must be a bunch of billionaires dreading the moment that the Feds get their hands on Epstein's safe deposit box and trusting Trump & Barr to squelch the info that comes out of it.

In case you didn't know, the movie EYES WIDE SHUT was based upon Epstein and his cronies.

I'm sure most of you thought that the movie was fiction, but Kubrick was actually showing a real world that existed within the world of the super rich.

Rewatch and learn.

I missed the pedophilia in EYES WIDE SHUT.

I missed President Clinton and the rest of the Deep State in that movie as well.

R114 probably wrote that fake interview with Nicole that was completely made up.

FAKE NEWS at the link:

Excellent piece on this in Newsweek, of all places...

[quote]Kubrick's 1999 death of a heart attack, just six days after screening a completed Eyes Wide Shut, left an opening for a conspiracy narrative to grow in the cracks of the movie's ambiguities. In part because it is replete with occult imagery, like a pyramid-faced mask (oozing the same Illuminati energy as the dollar bill), Eyes Wide Shut is subject to the same kind of analysis that lead people to conclude Kubrick faked the moon landing, then revealed his deception to the world on Danny Torrance's sweater in The Shining.

[quote]Unlike Eyes Wide Shut, in which a courtier of the powerful gets a glimpse through the keyhole, Epstein's depravities were laundered in the open, in magazine profiles and in the halls of power. But the arrest of Epstein and its unfolding aftermath leaves us in the movie's dream state, between our suspicions and the reality we are allowed. Now we wait to learn where we can know no further.

R115, Lots of internet stories saying the pedo aspects were excised from the movie by the horrified movie studio.

Dershowitz has recently claimed that one of the Rothschild's originally introduced him to JE. Pictures on the internet show Prince Charles and Cami wearing masks similar to those in EWS at a Rothschild European party for the super elite. Connect the dots.

C’mer kiddies!

[quote]"New Mexico continues to lag behind the rest of the country in strengthening outdated and weak laws that fail to protect our children from abuse," New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas said in an emailed statement to The Associated Press. "This is a huge black eye for our state."

I'm so glad the Times and other mainstream sites are all over this

If it blows up--and it likely will-- it can only hurt Trump as people start to understand how interconnected all of these 1%ers are.

It will likely help Warren the most as she has always been positioned against them.

Read all of the Comments on this Twitter for more reveals of JE's financial dealings.

Ever expanding Comments on this Twitter enlighten the reader on JE's financial dealings.

https://twitter.com/quantian1/status/1148303671857491968

Vanity Fair reported way back when that the National Enquirer had very revealing photos of Prince Andrew on Orgy Island and even more damaging photos of ex-President Clinton.

R123, Don't know why DL wouldn't accept my link to Vanity Fair article.

Epstein and Trump are "deviant criminals separated at birth" according to Salon.com..

R125, Who in DC isn't immoral?

NM ranch Zorro contains the following:

Military grade comms tower, a runway, sundial, 2 random airplanes hidden in the brush nowhere near a hangar or runway. They are not junk planes but look shiny and well maintained.

A large dirt pile a few hundred yards or 2.31 miles away as the crow flies and North of the road, possibly from building something underground.

Also there's a backhoe and a water/fuel truck, and what looks like maybe a water tank or a well. When you zoom out the area has a weird dark color scheme

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Someone is trying to protect these criminals:

The movie "Eyes Wide Shut" has been getting a lot of interest in the past month.

The title is Kubrick telling people to wake up to what's really going on right in front of them. It's so outrageous that people don't want to believe that it could be true.

I'm hopeful that this story has enough journalistic interest that he won't be buried by powerful men. Is the story too far in the public domain to be pushed back? Will Epstein take the fall alone without dragging all of his co-conspirators with him? This has the makings to be one of the most important stories of our generation if it is allowed to play out.

That temple on pedo island doesn't appear to have the dimensions of a Masonic Lodge. Those have very specific dimensions based on Solomon's Temple. That one is too small.

The owl is a complete mystery. Usually they represent Athena. To the Romans, owls signified death.

That's all I got.

Face it, it's a tacky temple. The guy was a fraud, a grifter and a pedo with tacky taste.

Basic question: Why did Alex Acosta let Jeffrey Epstein off the hook?

Everybody and his brother knows the no prosecution deal stank to high heaven. That’s why it was suppressed.

Acosta was too much of a nobody to have been a part of JE’s posh party and blackmail set.

Still, Acosta was Princeton / Harvard Law. Certainly smart enough not to be cowed by fast talking reps.

The idea that Epstein was protected by the US’s or Israel’s intelligence community even “sounds” like a smokescreen.

I keep coming back to that early morning hotel breakfast where the deal was consummated outside of the confines of the US Attorneys Office.

Did whomever he met with simply hand him an envelope containing access codes to an offshore bank account?

JE sure was free with OPM

As someone said earlier, we need to see the original 53-page federal indictment that Acosta's own office drafted before the secret plea deal. It was once posted online but subsequently scrubbed. DL sleuths?

Data search tech co used by FBI originally created by Christine Maxwell, sister of JE's one-time GF and his main pimp.

Christine Maxwell's bio.

Re: EWS, the daughter of the Russian guy is clearly offered to be sold to cruise (for sale or to rent). Leelee Sobieski and the character she plays were underage at the time, all that is pretty obvious in the film.

Was she even 15 when the scenes were shot?

Yes good reputation can be bought and manufactured for him to have his place in high society. It's utterly disheartening and despicable that money can buy almost everything: justice, witnesses, the media, the prosecutors, elite friends, underage girls, etc.

Jeffrey Epstein Was a Sex Offender. The Powerful Welcomed Him Anyway.

A strange thing happened when Jeffrey Epstein came back to New York City after being branded a sex offender: His reputation appeared to rise.

In 2010, the year after he got out of a Florida prison, Katie Couric and George Stephanopoulos dined at his Manhattan mansion with a British royal. The next year, Mr. Epstein was photographed at a “billionaire’s dinner” attended by tech titans like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. A page popped up on Harvard University’s website lauding his accomplishments, and superlative-filled news releases described his lofty ambitions as he dedicated $10 million to charitable causes.

Powerful female friends served as social guarantors: Peggy Siegal, a gatekeeper for A-list events, included him in movie screenings, and Dr. Eva Andersson-Dubin, a champion of women’s health, maintained a friendship that some felt gave him credibility. Mr. Epstein put up a website showing Stephen Hawking and other luminaries at a science gathering he had organized.

“If you looked up Jeffrey Epstein online in 2012, you would see what we all saw,” Leon Botstein, the president of Bard College, said in an interview. He seemed “like an ex-con who had done well on Wall Street,” who was close to the Clintons and gave money to academic pursuits, Dr. Botstein said. That was why, he noted, Bard accepted an unsolicited $50,000 in 2011 for its high schools, followed later that year and in 2012 by another $75,000 in donations. Sign Up for Summer in the City

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Over a decade ago, when Mr. Epstein was very publicly accused of sexually abusing girls as young as 14, he minimized the legal consequences with high-powered lawyers, monetary settlements that silenced complaints, and a plea deal that short-circuited an F.B.I. investigation and led to the resignation announcement on Friday of a Trump cabinet official who had overseen the case as a prosecutor. Socially, Mr. Epstein carried out a parallel effort, trying to preserve his reputation as a financier, philanthropist and thinker.

Some of the respect Mr. Epstein, 66, drew on was manufactured, the accomplishments recycled. The gathering with Dr. Hawking had taken place back in 2006. The positive online notices appeared to have been paid for by Mr. Epstein: A writer employed by his foundation churned out the news releases, and Drew Hendricks, the supposed author of a Forbes story calling Mr. Epstein “one of the largest backers of cutting edge science,” conceded in an interview that he was given $600 to post the pre-written article under his own name. (Forbes removed the piece after The New York Times published its article.)

In 2004, Elisabetta Tai was a 21-year-old Italian model with big dreams.

A month after arriving in Manhattan, her booker gave her an Upper East Side address and told her he had set up a meeting with the man who would be able to get her a gig modeling for the Victoria’s Secret catalog.

“He told me this is one of the most important people in modeling,” Tai told The Post. “He said that this man is in charge of Victoria’s Secret and he’s going to change your life.”

Jeffrey Epstein did end up changing Tai’s life — but not in the way she expected, she said.

Epstein, 66, a convicted pedophile, was arrested last week for sexually abusing “dozens” of minor girls at his Upper East Side mansion and his residence in Palm Beach, Fla. The arrest stems from incidents between 2002 and 2005.

“I rang the doorbell of this incredible mansion, and a butler answered the door,” said Tai, who hails from Padova, a small town near Venice. “It was astonishing. It was a very beautiful house, and I saw about five models walking around as soon as I walked in. I was so excited.”

Tai said she was greeted by a woman with “short black hair” who showed her into Epstein’s office. She doesn’t remember the woman’s name, although when The Post showed her a photograph of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s gal pal, she confirmed that she looked like the same woman who met her at Epstein’s mansion.

The British socialite, a daughter of media mogul Robert Maxwell, has not been charged with a crime but has been accused by three women in court papers of recruiting young women for Epstein. Two of them alleged that both Maxwell and Epstein sexually assaulted them.

Epstein, a financier, was close friends with Ohio billionaire Leslie Wexner, who owned Limited Brands — now L Brands — the parent company of Victoria’s Secret. Wexner was so close to Epstein that both men shared ownership of the sprawling East 71st Street mansion where Tai went for the meeting. The deed was transferred in 2011 to Epstein’s Virgin Islands LLC.

The woman with the short hair introduced Tai to Epstein, who was dressed casually in a shirt and jeans, she said. As Epstein started to ask her questions about her background, she noticed a massage table near his desk.

She said she didn’t think anything of it, and reached for her portfolio to show Epstein her previous modeling work in Italy. Tai had done a few modeling jobs in her native country, “but nothing big, nothing like I imagined I could do in America,” she told The Post.

As Tai talked about her experience in halting English, she said Epstein moved to the massage table and began to remove his clothes.

“I thought he was preparing to have a massage, and that someone was about to come in to the room and give him a massage,” she said.

But Tai said she panicked when Epstein lay down naked on the table and told her to approach.

He then handed her a vibrator, she said.

“I froze,” she said. “I didn’t know what to do.

“I just grabbed the vibrator and threw it at his head,” she said.

“I mean, I don’t know where it landed, I just blacked out and then I ran as fast as I could out of the room.”

She was so frightened she didn’t know where to turn to find the front door in the massive house. At one point she said she encountered the woman with the short black hair, who grabbed her and asked her what she was doing.

“She told me that I couldn’t just leave,” said Tai. “She said that this man is important, that he is a friend of President Clinton.”

Tai never told her booker what had happened at Epstein’s mansion.

“I was too scared to tell anyone,” she said. “I was too shy and scared that someone would come after me to blackmail me or maybe worse.”

Epstein, who was an investor in a Manhattan modeling venture, has been accused by prosecutors of using his connections to the modeling company to “audition” girls to give him massages that often ended up in sexual abuse.

“Over the years, it seems Epstein relied on …[the] modeling business to source underage girls for sex,” writes Conchita Sarnoff, an investigative reporter, in her book “Trafficking.”

A former Manhattan-based model agent, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, also alleged an Epstein-Victoria’s Secret pimp pipeline.

“He [Epstein] portrayed himself as the back door to get a girl into Victoria’s Secret. Some of those girls got in,” he said.

He promised the catalog and ad-campaign jobs, not the supermodel fashion-show gigs, he added.

“It was still significant cash for a young model doing the catalog,” said the agent. “They weren’t making hundreds of thousands but they could make about $5,000 a week modeling for the campaigns or the catalog. Not all the girls sent to him got jobs, but a lot of them did.”

Another Manhattan model entrepreneur told The Post that Maxwell was a constant fixture at Victoria’s Secret events.

The cheaply constructed temple could be a movie prop. Any possibility Epstein was filming porn too?

Jesus, that story at R140 is disturbing. Can you imagine being that woman running to get out of the house? Being grabbed and told she can’t leave?

21 seems kind of old for JE. Just sayin’.

[quote] Can you imagine being that woman running to get out of the house? Being grabbed and told she can’t leave?

This article explains the temple door was specifically designed not to keep people out, but to keep them *in*.

Maybe it’s a work shed and he just didn’t want an ugly utility building. His taste leans towards tacky.

R146, Not a work shed. Evidence online there's a secret door with an elevator descending to an underground tunnel and structure next to the temple.

I can't believe these photos of Pedo Island haven't inspired an excoriating Tasteful Friends thread.

There's one question nobody has asked.

Every article posted here says Epstein worked at Bear Stearns then was fired. Several have stated for insider trading.

Yet this dude is operating a hedge fund? Isn't that illegal? Yes, I know the pedo shit is illegal but how the fuck is he operating an alleged hedge fund without a broker's license? Or is the hedge fund thing speculation?

I need to know where all of this money came from because someone is propping this disgusting creep up and they will have others like him around.

R149, I am assuming his money is made in a similar manner to Jho Low. He just is more discreet and less audacious.

R149, no charges were ever filed against him for any misconduct at Bear Stearns, so nothing would have stopped him from continuing to trade. It's a common story.

[quote][R146], Not a work shed. Evidence online there's a secret door with an elevator descending to an underground tunnel and structure next to the temple.

According to who? Why would someone build a cheap plywood structure with pai. nted doors to hide underground tunnels? Until a legit source posts proof of an underground lair, I’m going with mere pedo and con artist, not a James Bond super villain.

I agree with r152

There are way too many people reading dubious websites and buying into global sex ring conspiracies or maybe it’s just Duh-vida

Epstein's pedo island "temple" looks like it was designed by LEGO.

Around 2,000 files from a defamation case involving alleged trafficking victim Virgina Roberts are now due to be released following a US Court of Appeal ruling, The Sunday Times reports.

Roberts, now 35, claimed in 2015 she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew by Epstein in London, New York and the Caribbean.

The mum-of-three accused Epstein of recruiting her as a "sex slave" - and said she had been "procured for sexual activities" by Ghislane Maxwell, a personal aide to the financier.

The Duke of York was pictured with his arm around her waist at Maxwell's home in London in 2001 when she was aged 17 but has strongly denied the claims.

A judge also threw the accusations against Andrew out because they were "immaterial and impertinent" to Epstein's case.

Roberts then successfully sued Maxwell for defamation after she branded her a "liar" and the documents were sealed following a legal argument.

But the ruling earlier this month at the US Court of Appeal heard how public's right to know outweighed the privacy rights of people who wanted to keep secrets.

That snap was taken during Andrew’s four-day stay at Epstein’s $77m mansion in Manhattan – shortly after the banker had been freed from prison after a previous child sex trafficking conviction in Florida.

It has also emerged he holidayed with Epstein in Thailand in 2001 and invited him to stay at Windsor Castle and the Queen’s Sandringham estate.

prince andrew and Epstein went to Pedo heaven Thailand together in 2001!

Will JE's records be permanently sealed? Well 2 super wealthy anonymous individuals are trying.

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R158 Gateway Pundit... please Boris

It appears the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service has abandoned him to his fate.

R160, Do you like Politico any better?

[quoet]“The truth is that Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Epstein sexually trafficked [Giuffre] to their well-connected friends, both in this country and elsewhere,” Giuffre attorneys Paul Cassell and Sigrid McCawley wrote. Unfortunately, critical documents and transcripts proving the truth of Ms. Giuffre's allegations remain sealed in the vault of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York. It is time for the truth to come out.”

I remember reading Virginia Roberts Giuffre's appalling affadavit. She was kept as a sex slave and the way she escaped is equally remarkable. The truth needs to come out. It's on Acosta that Epstein was allowed to continue committing his execrable crimes for another 10+ more years.

The media is going to try to focus this as a "one man show". The pressure needs to stay on them to uncover the systemic nature - who else was implicated - Trump, Clinton, the Royals, etc.

For details of Epstein's status at Bear Stearns try to find the most recent Trumpcast podcast where Virginia Heffernan interviews Vicky Ward, the writer of the 2003 (?) piece for Vanity Fair that was censored by Graydon Carter. IIRC she said Epstein never had a trader's license and there is NO footprint of any of his Wall Street dealings. He was NOT a hedge fund manager. Ace Greenberg, then CEO, had a kid at Dalton School (run by AG Barr's father Donald Barr--there is a lot of stuff about him in the Epstein threads here). Anyway, find that Trumpcast from the last few days if you want to know the truth about Epstein's financial status (although a lot of his has been covered up Vicky Ward says).

Aside from the other already mentioned reasons Acosta went so light on JE for such a heinous crime, I think JE also had something on Acosta and was using it to blackmail him. As I mentioned way upthread, IMO, Acosta is a pedophile, but that he prefers boys. I stand by my opinion that he's another Sandusky. Maybe he didn't have nearly as many victims as Sandusky but that doesn't matter. I still think Acosta is a pedophile who has molested male children.

My honest opinion even though no males have come forward -- at least not that we know of as they could have been paid off. Maybe JE is hanging that over his head, and along with powerful people above his pay grade who had the final say, Acosta practically let JE go free for crimes that a life sentence/imprisonment would have been the right thing to do -- or the death penalty. JMO.

Jeffrey is a fairly attractive man, I'm sure lots of real women would have thrown themselves at him but instead he had to go after little girls. Having said that, do we think he's hung?

R167 no, allegedly it’s egg-shaped

We don't know if that's a rumor or an exaggeration or a fact. If it's true that's not why he became a pedophile because its not a decision -- actually he's a hebephile. Both are equally as perverted and dangerous.

Back in 2009 Epstein walks out of a deposition when asked about his deformed penis...

r160: Technical terms are not important when the girls in question were all under age and essentially children, even if they had been through puberty. Yes, he did not do this to 7-year-olds that we know about. Your post is confusing and, while I do see you recognize the perversion, are you saying that his attraction to young teenage girls was something he couldn't control? Do you need to go reread Lolita? Be sure to read to the end.

How does the person who posted it above know that Acosta likes boys? The man seems awful, but where is the evidence for that? Just curious. He himself may not be a pedophile, but merely a Nazi underling, just following orders.

So, the National Enquirer is protecting President Clinton?

The National Enquirer? Trump's national newspaper, the National Enquirer?

You people are sick fucks.

is it true you have an egg shaped penis?

yes, but cut

R175, Thank you for your educational tool.

R171 - I am not 160 but I think you were replying to me. Anyway, no, I meant 'pedophilia the disorder' is not a decision.

The best explanation was on the previous thread; something happens to their brain before birth so they are born that way or they are born with a predisposition and then something triggers the disorder.

I just meant people don't decide, meaning make a conscious decision, to become a pedophile. But pedophiles do decide that they will inappropriately touch a child and they choose their victims wisely. They don't think of it as harming/traumatizing or sexually abusing the child because they have no empathy, hence "inappropriately touch."

As I already said in my R169 post, technically JE is a hebephile not a pedophile. But I also mentioned pedophiles and hebephiles are equally as screwed up and dangerous.

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Epstein himself used that "technically I'm not a pedophile" explanation to justify his actions, R178. He claimed that what he had done was defensible because he did not have sex with children, but rather with "tweens and teens."

I don’t think everyone who flew on those flights was going for sex. I think a lot of them may have been merely invited to a private island to hang out and party by invitation. Rich people hanging out with other rich people. I think a select few may have gone for sex but not all.

Stop making sense, R181.

Humbert Humbert narrated a very sad story about his love for Lolita and you actually feel sorry for him. Jeffrey Epstein, not being Nabokov, Humbert's creator----not so much.

R181 Well, that depends. If certain sexual behavior was happening on the planes with certain girls, then the flights themselves could have been where certain sex crimes were committed.

Yes but not necessarily all flights. Swingers go to parties where no swinging is occurring. Sex pervs can act with decorum around non-pervs too.

^^disregard signature.

R180 Tweens and teens are still children. No parent refers to their tween child or teenager/adolescent as "our adult child." I didn't know JE made that comment but it sure doesn't surprise me. He says a lot of stupid things to make himself appear less guilty. It's hard to keep up with all of his crazy downplaying. It doesn't matter. They were underage. They were children at the time.

Not only were they not old enough to make these decisions, they were forced against their will. So not only were they girls, not women, and underage girls at that, they were not consenting. Even if they did consent, which they did not, they were innocent girls who weren't old enough to make these decisions and were clearly forced, taken advantage of and exploited. Of course he's going to downplay the truth. Coming from him its no surprise. I just can't believe the way the media is also downplaying and spinning the truth with misleading statements, such as, "He allegedly had sex with these women."

If one were referring to a 14 or 15 year old no one would say "A 14 year old woman." Its ridiculous. I wouldn't call a 17 year old a woman/man. The media is doing their usual spinning and reporting "he allegedly had sex with these women" when the fact is that he 'raped children.' Two different things. Sex - rape -- two different things. Girl - woman -- not the same.

"Humbert Humbert narrated a very sad story about his love for Lolita and you actually feel sorry for him."

Uh, speak for yourself because... No. Nor did Nabokov *intend* for you to "feel sorry for him."

Sorry if already posted but it was very funny!!!!

[R187] Men that like young girls come up with all kinds of rationalizations. This Epstein thing is reminding me of a roommate I had in my 20’s. He was a bit older than me. He wanted fifteen year olds and would say how some girls that age are “very mature.” We would argue about it, but I didn’t think about it much at the time because he didn’t bring anyone home with him. I couldn’t tell if it was fantasy or reality. I don’t think it’s that uncommon. Men will say they like twenty year olds, but they really want five or six years younger, ideally.

Knew of at least 2 men 60+ who claimed to have had sex with 9-year-old girls. Always they talked about how much the little girls wanted them sexually, and how they'd even been seduced. This was before the age of the internet.

Both men had been sexually abused as children although that's definitely no excuse for their rotten behavior.

Judge unsealing files re Prince Andrew and JE.

Is 17 illegal? Also, who did the forcing? Are we talking about Epstein/Maxwell forcing her or Prince Andrew?

In the list posted at r179 - we know at least two of the names on it - Collins and Jones have been busted for kiddie diddling.

This whole thing is weird, gross and vile.

I am now obsessed with finding where this creep's money came from.

I'm betting drugs, arms sales and human trafficking.

R194 You might want to look more into Deutsch bank in regards to where some of his money came from. The feds are currently investigating them for money laundering for the Russians going back twenty years. Amount mentioned were at least 20billion. Epstein has major ties to Deutsch bank. I don't know if any of the names listed on the manifest are former or current employees of the bank. Just a thought.

[quote]There are way too many people reading dubious websites and buying into global sex ring conspiracies or maybe it’s just Duh-vida

Just do what most sensible Dlers do, if a poster posts a link to a right wing or obscure crazy website, block them. Chances are those posters are just trying to muddy the waters and derail the thread.

R194 According to Steven Hoffenberg, Epstein was a Ponzi-schemer who scammed his way into his fortune. There's a detailed article on how he did it starting in the 1980's. (For some reason, DL is rejecting the link. Google The Daily Beast, "Ponzi Scheme Victims Say Epstein Swindled Them.")

Thanks, r195 and r197. I will do that.

Deutsch bank is so dirty. Every nasty, vile money laundering scheme seems to involve them at some point.

Over the weekend a cable news talking head mentioned that if the government can prove that Epstein acquired his fortune fraudulently, they could seize it and he would no longer be able to afford his legal team. I hope they're working on it.

He Ponzi’d via Blackmail Lite and was funded by Russia via Deutsche Bank from the laundered money to get the Kompromat.

It's making sense now that every time a senior Royal gets in trouble, 500 think pieces are written by the British press everytime Meghan Markle wears jeans. I would love if Prince Andrew was taken down by the American press.

[quote] if a poster posts a link to a right wing or obscure crazy website, block them.

The problem with reading only left wing sources is you become terribly misinformed (see link for why).

Creating "safe spaces" by blocking all non-Salon, Huff Post sites is even worse than reading no news at all.

[quote] if a poster posts a link to a right wing or obscure crazy website, block them

Did you miss the article revealing Katie Couric and George Stephanopolis were at Epstein's post jail party? Or Charlie Rose was actually ON the Lolita Express? Good luck staying informed with that strategy.

I'm still more persuaded by the link at R113—speculating that his wealth came basically from blackmail money that he put offshore—than the Ponzi scheme or gun-running theories.

Oh, gee R204... why would journalists be at that party.... hmmmm.... let me think....

Well there's an obscure link called the NY Times that explained why R206

Trump's racist rant was all about covering this up

R28, Perhaps you've heard of the concept of "untimely death"? Extraordinarily wealthy men (Think: Sultan of Brunei wealth) who buy, sell, rape, and murder children, including infants for the truly depraved amongst them, would laugh at the thought of having qualms about killing journalists.

By the way, Italian police just arrested 18 people for selling and psychologically tormenting children. Google.

"Do you currently have, or have you ever had, an egg-shaped penis?"

R203, both of those headlines can be true. Obama did not tap Trump AND the tapped lines of OTHER people could lead to evidence on Trump aides.

It's funny how people who accuse others of seeing only what they want...only see what they want.

Remember that Supreme Court justice who retired so that Cavanaugh could be nominated? His son worked for Deutsche Bank on Trump business. Maybe he also worked with Epstein.

You know, ostriches who mock these revelations and stories that suggest far worse as "Right-Wing" or "crazy conspiracy theories" and so on, are the true fools. "Eyes Wide Shut" was the proverbial iceberg tip, and all true in its general depictions of secrecy, murder, sex "magick," ritual, and child-pimping (the store).

What the rest of us don't realize is how unutterably BORED the extremely wealthy are. And boredom plus untold wealth equals depravity.

R212, And now, devoid of millions in illicit funds and the need to make up and maintain fake accounts, DB is unloading 18,000 employees.

The octopus is really a millipus.

Please do not start, have, nor participate in threads about my son

R193 missing the forest.

This thread is why I come here. Watch the media writhe as it is squeezed by TPTB, and watch DL posters read the real tea. It is true, you can’t rely on just lefty writers, particularly for a story this big. You’ll get drips and drabs of truthiness from all over, so use great discernment as this unfolds. It is a mother.

A side question on the comparisons to Eyes Wide Shut. If I remember right, the decadent orgy scene there was all about consenting adult prostitutes cavorting with powerful men; and it's never made clear that the woman who subsequently died was killed in retaliation for helping Tom Cruise, rather than dying of another overdose. Fairly tame stuff despite the dark hints by Sydney Pollack. The sick stuff—child trafficking and so on—was actually all being hinted at in the periphery, in Tom Cruise's everyday life, not as part of the rich guys' private party.

So......I’m so sorry to play the Crazy Card, but it does beg the question, was our dear director murdered? It is a little curious. But I don’t want to derail, this thread is good stuff.

No doubt, DB is in meltdown. Any predictions on where this is headed? Will this take down that fat orange fuck or no? I pray for it almost hourly, I fucking hate him, he’s true evil — will he keep winning? It seems like this could take him down but we aren’t hearing dots connecting to him enough yet....

A daily diet of hamberders hasn't taken down Teflon Don. Not sure what will.

Anyone mentioning “majick” and a bad movie as explanation of a worldwide conspiracy cannot be taken seriously. D-R must be running amok. This is right up her alley.

Again, R218, what about the Russian guy and his daughter?? It's in the film. Sure it's not part of the "Fidelio" orgy scene, but it's still part of the film experience. There aren't that many movies where a parent pimps out their teenage progeny.

Courthouse News' Adam Klasfeld is reporting on today's bail hearing. Judge says he will render his decision on Thursday, July 18.

They are all connected to Epstein. And Acosta would still be part of the administration had there not been an outcry. When someone resigns, Trump always starts to lash out and say nasty things about that person. Not so with Acosta. He even allowed Acosta to give a good bye press conference with Trump standing along side him and praising him. Why? Because Acosta knows everything. Acosta, Barr, Trump. They are all going to protect each other. Don't expect any of them to go down for this.

R213 Yes, boredom from too much comfort and nothing of value to actually "do". You are absolutely right. This was covered in the Barbet Schroeder studio film "Murder by Numbers", actually. The young people in the movie do become adults, and they go on to rule whatever countries they're in.

"We became aware today" of a passport issued by a foreign country, in the 1980s, expired currently, with Epstein's picture but not his name, prosecutor Rossmiller tells the court.

Judge Berman: "The question is, how do you know that?" referring to defense attorney's claim that Epstein has not reoffended since 2005.

Jeffrey Epstein will have to cool his heels at least a little longer in jail — as Manhattan prosecutors revealed Monday that more alleged victims have already stepped forward since his arrest earlier this month.

“The evidence is already significantly stronger — and getting stronger every day,” Assistant US Attorney Alex Rossmiller told Manhattan federal Judge Richard Berman.

Epstein, already a convicted pedophile, had hoped the jurist would rule in his favor on his bail request in his latest case Monday.

But Berman said he wants to hear from some of Epstein’s victims — as soon as Monday — and have the former hedge-fund manager’s financials looked over further before deciding on whether to free him until his trial.

The judge said he plans to rule on bail Thursday.

Federal prosecutors, in arguing that the 66-year-old pervert should stay at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, said they have had more of his victims come forward to report crimes since his arrest.

If a fake passport doesn't doesn't scream flight risk, I don't know what does.

The complicit members of the media deserve to go down in flames. Always knew Katie C was a phony. No wonder Dan Rather hates her guts.

R226, they also found “piles of cash” and “dozens of diamonds” along with the fake passport.

I wonder if Epstein is kept isolated in jail...? I'd love for him to take some beatings and violent rapes. God knows he deserves worse.

Legal question - can some of the new women who have come forward last week - be allowed to testify in front of Berman? The question of whether or not he has reoffended did come up?

[quote]It seems like this could take him down but we aren’t hearing dots connecting to him enough yet....

Any damaging evidence linking Trump to Epstein will be hidden or destroyed by Barr and company.

[quote] I wonder if Epstein is kept isolated in jail...? I'd love for him to take some beatings and violent rapes. God knows he deserves worse.

I'm sure he's fine. This is a guy who's last prison sentence allowed him to leave the jail for work.

The feds found dozens of diamonds, piles of cash and a fake passport from Saudi Arabia with a photo that looks like Jeffrey Epstein stashed in a safe at the convicted pedophile’s Upper East Side townhouse, they said Monday.

Prosecutors told a Manhattan federal judge about the newly revealed contents of the safe — which also held a trove of lewd photos of young women — as they argued against giving Epstein bail at least partly because of his immense financial means.

Assistant US Attorney Alex Rossmiller called the accused sex trafficker’s financial disclosure form for bail “cursory,” noting that it failed to mention the “piles of cash, dozens of diamonds” in his now-notorious home safe.

“The defendant’s financial disclosure should alarm the court,” Rossmiller said.

In addition to lots more dough and valuable items including art that hadn’t been accounted for, prosecutors said, investigators discovered an expired phony passport in Epstein’s mansion that was supposedly issued in the 1980s. It had a name other than Epstein’s on it — but what looks like his photo, they said.

Rossmiller also noted that Epstein has more than $100 million alone in a single account — among at least $500 million in holdings. The suspect has already used hundreds of thousands of dollars to try to bribe potential witnesses to keep their mouths shut about his crimes, prosecutors have said.

Manhattan federal Judge Richard Berman agreed Monday that Epstein’s one-page financial affidavit was “cursory” as he delayed a decision on whether to grant the suspect bail until Thursday.

R234, Trump never tells the truth to anyone, so Barr wouldn’t even know what he was looking for.

r215

Only four people watch my show?

R235 What do you mean "he's fine?" This is not the sweetheart plea deal Acosta handed to him when all those records containing allegations from his victims were sealed back in 2008. Now, he's facing possibly a 45-year prison term and considered an extreme flight risk.

From the link @ R239...

[quote]Federal prosecutors had said evidence against the well-connected financier is growing "stronger by the day" after several more women contacted them in recent days to say he abused them when they were underage.

[quote]Prosecutors said efforts by defense lawyers to characterize Epstein's crimes as "simple prostitution" were "not only offensive but also utterly irrelevant given that federal law does not recognize the concept of a child prostitute — there are only trafficking victims — because a child cannot legally consent to being exploited."

Seems to me that a man with the amount of money that he has, a second passport and his own private jet might just be a flight risk. With that kind of money, you drop a couple of million on the guards to look the other way and take off to the jungles of Ecuador.

"The problem with reading only left wing sources is you become terribly misinformed (see link for why)."

Coming from someone who probably watches Fox News, you have a lot of nerve calling other people misinformed.

[quote]"The problem with reading only left wing sources is you become terribly misinformed (see link for why)."

No one only reads “left wing” sources. I am inundated daily, against my will, to Fox. I know exactly what shit they are spewing and spinning. I don’t need right garbage posted here.

[quote]"The problem with reading only left wing sources is you become terribly misinformed (see link for why)."

No one only reads “left wing” sources. I am inundated daily, against my will, to Fox. I know exactly what shit they are spewing and spinning. I don’t need right garbage posted here.

NYTimes: "Trump has not only always been a racist, but anyone around him who denies it, is lying,” said Jack O'Donnell, the former head of Trump's Atlantic City casino. “Donald Trump makes racist comments all the time. Once you know him, he speaks his mind about race very openly.”

^Sorry, wrong thread!

He has 100 million in one account and assets of 500 million according to Feds.

Is Saudi passport hard to get? I know you can "buy" passports from a few countries...like if you invest a small amount of money etc, very easy to obtain legally.

Not surprised at Anthony Kiedis of the RHCP being on the flight manifest. ALL his girlfriends are very young. He gets older but the girlfriends stay @21 years old.

R247, the Post headline says it was a "Saudi passport," but the actual reporting, in that article and in others, is only that it was a passport that listed a Saudi residence. It's not clear that the passport wasn't forged.

R248, that’s disappointing but not surprising. I always wondered if “breaking the girl” was about taking her virginity.

RHCP are douche.

I am surprised these threads are not attracting more comments.

At the center of Jeffrey Epstein's secluded New Mexico ranch sits a sprawling residence the financier built decades ago — complete with plans for a 4,000-square-foot (372-square-meter) courtyard, a living room roughly the size of the average American home and a nearby private airplane runway.

Known as the Zorro Ranch, the high-desert property is now tied to an investigation that the state attorney general's office says it has opened into Epstein with plans to forward findings to federal authorities in New York.

Epstein, who pleaded not guilty this week to federal sex trafficking charges in New York, has not faced criminal charges in New Mexico. But the scandal surrounding him has still sent a jolt through the rural southwestern state as it comes under scrutiny for laws that allowed him to avoid registering as a sex offender following a guilty plea a decade ago in Florida.

“New Mexico continues to lag behind the rest of the country in strengthening outdated and weak laws that fail to protect our children from abuse," New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas said in an emailed statement to The Associated Press. "This is a huge black eye for our state."

In New Mexico, the attorney general said he has been in touch with the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York. Balderas' office has not said, however, how many accusers his office has interviewed and he has not elaborated on what they say took place at the ranch.

In a 2015 court filing in Florida, a plaintiff in a lawsuit against Epstein said she had been abused at several locations, including the New Mexico property.

Records show Epstein purchased the ranch, valued by county officials at over $12 million, from the family of former Gov. Bruce King, who died 10 years ago. A 1995 Santa Fe New Mexican story about his plans to build a mansion on the property said the home would be 26,700 square feet (2,480 square meters) with a 2,100-square-foot (195-square-meter) living room.

Aerial images of the property show an airplane hangar and landing strip. Closer to the east edge of the property, several structures that appear to serve as small homes and stables stand in public view.

The King family still owns land surrounding much of Epstein's ranch near the town of Stanley, a rural outpost on the plains that stretch east of the Sandia Mountains.

Gary King, the son of the former governor, was the state attorney general from 2007 to 2015, and was among a handful of candidates in the state who returned Epstein campaign donations.

Former Gov. Bill Richardson donated $50,000 in 2006 gubernatorial campaign contributions from Epstein to charity.

The Truth about the Epstein/Trump relationship needs to come out.

"...which also held a trove of lewd photos of young women..."

Are these media outlets ever going to stop calling these GIRLS "women"? Seriously, have you ever heard anyone use the phrase "fourteen-year-old woman"? It's ridiculous.

I can’t wait till the tell all book about Deutsche Bank gets written. What a scummy, scummy institution. Can’t wait till the lid gets blown off that story.

About these politicians returning JE's long-ago campaign donations: I'm just curious as to why they still have that money. Shouldn't they have already spent 2006 campaign donations on, e.g., campaign ads in 2006? Or at least in the next cycle or two? This seems like a whole topic in itself.

JE willing to post $100,000,000 bail.

They won't grant him bail. This is the type of guy who has assets hidden in other countries. He will escape and never come back.

I think he's done, he will be in jail until the trial is over in which he will be found guilty and be put away for decades (hopefully).

Two of Jeffrey Epstein's accusers finally got their day in court on Monday when they spoke at the convicted pedophile's bail hearing in New York.

Courtney Wild and Annie Farmer both detailed how they continue to struggle more than a decade after Epstein allegedly forced the two to perform rape acts on him or themselves when they were underage.

Epstein made no comments as the women delivered their remarks, and instead stared them down the entire time with a stern look on his face.

The billionaire pedophile, 66, will now learn on Thursday whether he will be released ahead of his trial on federal sex trafficking charges or ordered to remain behind bars.

Has the linked Vanity Fair article been posted? Claims clients include QE II.

[quote]The Truth about the Epstein/Trump relationship needs to come out.

Will it matter? The Repugs will just find a way to spin and justify anything that reflects negatively.

Who the hell were his servants? Somebody needs to talk.

He won’t get bail. That’s why the judge asked for a couple extra days to decide, he’s going to write an ironclad decision on this that won’t get reversed on appeal.

Another twist & turn to the ongoing JE saga? Or a red herring?

R221, I wasn’t the poster referring to “magick” but I absolutely am questioning how big this story may be, you *cunt*.

I have kept abreast of this shitfest since 2015, and I knew Russia hacked us before it was a widespread belief amongst us, just from lots of reading And I am the polar opposite of a tinhat — I’m as skeptical, pragmatic, and Plain Jane as it gets. I’m a slice of rye bread — dry as shit. Having said that, this story does indeed have real legs, and could indeed be the biggest political bombshell in our lifetimes. Will it for sure? Who the fuck knows? But clearly Kubrick had partied and walked amongst this crew, and clearly, their “world” exists. As another poster so astutely stated, the rich are quite bored.

Time will tell, we hope, and yet the media is being quite skewed on this story, the corruption so thick, we really may never know everything. But that’s the fun of a place like this, we can bat ideas around and share sources & ideas — sometimes enough buzz forces the media to do its job. If you would have told me three years ago that we would have a pussy-grabbing Nazi in the WH, I would have called you D.R. too. It’s a thin line between imagination and insanity toots.

R255 I agree. See the last paragraph of my R187 post.

I think anyone in the media who refers to them as women instead of saying they were girls at the time these crimes occurred, are downplaying and marginalizing his sex crimes against children and I will not be watching them. I have heard this on MSNBC -- it's not just Fox doing this.

We should start naming names here every time one of these talking head assholes refers to them as women or states that Epstein had sex with these women when he raped girls, and at the time it was not a case of "had sex with women." It's as misleading and stupid as saying "underage women."

Like a Freudian slip that is a dead-giveaway to how they *really* feel about this and it also tells you whose side they are really on. I am going to start naming names and shaming, whether they say it aloud or in print.

Has anyone read the linked book on the father of JE's #1 pimp/recruiter of girls? A preview is downloadable onto Cloud.

^ Anyone who is outraged, disgusted and disturbed by this refers to the victims as girls. But those who think maybe they played some role in the crimes committed against them refer to them as women and report that he allegedly had sex with these women, avoiding the word rape because they are on Epstein's side.

The weird thing is that Vicky Ward, the writer who has been championing the victims in the media lately and wrote the original Vanity Fair article in 2003 or whenever, referred to them as women in her interview on Trumpcast. Maybe because now they ARE women? But it sounded off to me nevertheless...very PC.

R271 good point. I think it’s true that some reporters who’ve met the victims call them victims because they now are.

I think other journalists use this wording unconsciously because it’s tough to think about the truth of what Epstein did, and to whom.

wow, Robert Maxwell was a spy?

R271 Good distinction. Referring to the victims as women now is not the same as referring to them as women when the crimes were committed.

Language often raises difficult issues. “Girl” can be, and often is, used in a patronizing, insulting way. It’s not quite as charged as “boy,” but close. Journalists are probably trained not to use those terms even when they are appropriate.

I don't know what the fucking problem is with the media. He is a CONVICTED PEDOPHILE

And that is how he should be referred to each and every fucking time his name is mentioned

Breaking News in the case of CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, Jeffrey Epstein

Convicted Pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein was in court today

Convicted Pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein will have to wait a few days until the judge decides if he will get bail

The Metropolitan Correctional Center is the new home of CONVICTED PEDOPHILE, Jeffrey Epstein

This is how you do it media

Twitter site updates JE's legal proceedings with links in how to find just released docs. Apologies in advance if you don't like the author's political leanings but at least he appears to be on top of this case. Most interesting that he compares JE's request for bail and home confinement (not legally his house anyway) with another major money launderer.

Convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is hardly a billionaire, according to the financial-disclosure form his lawyers filed in seeking bail for him. see also Locals called Jeffrey Epstein’s Caribbean retreat ‘Pedophile Island’

The single-page document had been kept under seal away from the public until the Manhattan federal judge overseeing Epstein’s sex-trafficking case released it Monday, dismissing it as “cursory.”

Epstein lists in the filing that he has:

Cash: $56,547,773

Equities: $112,679,138

Hedge funds and private equity: $194,986,301

Properties including: 9 E. 71 st St., Manhattan, worth $55,931,000; 49 Zorro Ranch Road, Stanley, NM, $ 17,246,208; 358 El Brillo Way, Palm Beach, Fla., $ 12,380,209; 22 Avenue Foch, Paris, France, $8,672,823; Great St. James Island in the Virgin Islands, $22,498,600, and Little St. James Island, also there, $63,874,223.

The total assets listed are $559,120,954.

The feds are arguing that Epstein — who is accused of sex-trafficking — shouldn’t been given bail pending trial because of the uber-connected former moneyman’s potential ability to buy his way to freedom.

Epstein’s lawyers did not respond to a request for comment.

R273, Robert Maxwell was rumored to be a super spy for both Israel & Russia to say nothing of how he helped MI6. Supposedly he had a major impact on the 1948 Mid Eastern war and the creation of the State of Israel.

R279, Tidbits from excerpt at link follow:

Page 174 (PDF page 188):

Their business was prostitution, drug running, traffic in humans. When MI5 discovered how Mogilevich earned his money, they informed the Home Office which expelled him from Britain and publicly branded him as 'one of the most dangerous criminals in the world'. It is hard to believe that Robert Maxwell did not know that. Yet he continued to be drawn ever deeper into the dark and evil empire Mogilevich operated. A number of people who had crossed his path had been disposed of into the Moscow River or in one of the city's back streets. He had his own team of killers never further away than a phone call.

Page 425 (PDF page 433):

On basis of the results of the autopsy performed on the embalmed body, and following the previous autopsy of 425 Mr. Robert MAXWELL, I hereby give my Expert's opinion, that his death was most probably caused by drowning.

The traumatic injuries which were summarized in the previous paragraph, are the result of blunt injuries and were caused antemortem.

Abrasions, contusions and hematomata on the body of Mr. Maxwell, are compatible with an involuntary fall into the sea.

For preparing a final opinion, we require the protocol of the first autopsy, histological sections and the results of toxicological and biological tests (including water sample from the drowning region).

Page 353 (PDF page 361):

Edmund Safra had been one of Robert Maxwell's closest friends. Safra had personally allowed money to be funneled through his bank from Eastern Europe.

'When Safra realised the bureau [FBI] was moving in,' John O'Neil recalled, 'he did a deal. He agreed to keep the bureau informed of what moved through his bank to the Bank of New York, which had been targeted by Russian and Bulgarian crime syndicates. Safra didn't like the heat on him, so he agreed to help the bureau.'

But, when Safra announced he was going to sell his bank for $9.8 billion in 1999, he also attracted powerful enemies.

In December of that month, Safra was in his penthouse, one as secure as Maxwell's, in the Belle Epoque building on Monaco's exclusive Boulevarde Ostend. Some time during the night masked intruders had entered the penthouse. A male nurse, one of two Safra kept permanently available to tend his needs - an American - raised the alarm. The female nurse and her elderly patient locked themselves in a bathroom.

Safra used his mobile phone to contact his wife, asleep in her bedroom in another part of the spacious penthouse. She assured him help was on the way.

When police and firemen broke down the bathroom door they found Edmund Safra and the nurse dead from smoke inhalation. The cause of the fire and how the intruders made good their escape was never established. They had not been captured on the penthouse surveillance cameras.

Page 228 (PDF page 240):

The small group of plotters in the upper ranks of Mossad could still change their minds. Then everything that had been prepared over the past month would be destroyed. It had happened before when a target had died of natural causes. It could also be that, despite all the precautions taken, word could leak to the political masters of the plotters. Robert Maxwell was still a popular figure in Israel: ordinary people had not forgotten how much he had done for the country. If even a hint became public that there was a plot afoot to murder him, it could be sufficient to bring down the government.

The Village Voice in "Secret Agent Schmuck" links more players to JE's complex operation. Date is 10/16/2007 and for some unknown reason DL doesn't like the link.

JE and The Trilateral Commission and the Council of Foreign Relations, WTF? Linking the following Twitter account as it goes into these points and many other interesting connections of JE. Apologies in advance if you don't like the politics of the Twitter's author.

R286 They are referring to this pos perverted deviant as "Financier Jeff Epstein" instead of "Registered Sex Offender, Jeff Epstein."

FFS, he's a Tier 3 Registered Sex Offender, which is considered *highest threat* yet they refer to him as "Billionaire Jeff Epstein" or "Financier Jeff Epstein." Tier 3 classification is the highest level of RSO's. This classification means that they are highly likely to re-offend, they pose a very significant risk to public safety and are also involved in sex trafficking and/or child porn.

And on another note, upthread, you got that all wrong as far as the girls/women thing. They were spinning it and referring to the victims, who are now women, as women when these crimes happened. They stated it so that it would create the false impression they were young women when the crimes occurred. That's exactly what they did. Intelligent people picked up on that. Another spin; they also used the word sex when it was rape.

^ Meant for R276

"I think anyone in the media who refers to them as women instead of saying they were girls at the time these crimes occurred, are downplaying and marginalizing his sex crimes against children and I will not be watching them."

But if an actor hits on teen boys, people here defend him and attack the victims, and pretend they were ultra mature . Right, Spacey defenders?

I assure you I am not a Spacey defender.

I believe ALL sex offenders should be behind bars, not free to re-offend, and unless they are behind bars they will re-offend.

With rare exceptions, like first offense where there was an element of doubt, or the case wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, or a 16 yr old girl who lied to a 20 year old male about her age. Except for those rare exceptions ALL sex offenders/deviants should be behind bars for life and I am even for the death penalty in states where taxpaying voters vote against supporting them in prison with taxpayer funds. I have never believed any sex offender should be free. They belong locked up or six feet under. Until that happens we are not safe and children are not protected from pedophiles.

"Until that happens we are not safe and children are not protected from pedophiles."

95% of sex crimes are committed by people with no previous record of any sex offense.....locking up sex offenders forever or executing them won't end sex crimes. Most sex crimes aren't committed by "pedophiles" by the way.

"Except for those rare exceptions ALL sex offenders/deviants should be behind bars for life and I am even for the death penalty in states where taxpaying voters vote against supporting them in prison with taxpayer funds."

If taxpayers in Mississippi and Alabama voted to execute gays would you support that, too? Geez, some people here are so right-wing, which is funny since Republicans always defend Republicans like Trump and Roy Moore who are accused of sex crimes. They only pretend to care about Epstein because he supported Dems.

I F&F and BLOCK cunts and trolls. You're a cunt who is trolling. Go back to LSA or your Housewives threads. Bye bitch.

thanks, I'm definitely gonna get that book!

If there is not a major connection between Epstein and Trump then why did Epstein have 12 telephone numbers listed as a way to contact Trump. As Lenin said, you know a person by the friends they keep.

My friend and I were talking at dinner and we think this current Epstein "revival" by the SDNY is a Trump & CO distraction from the border cages/concentration camps. Not that JE doesn't deserve to be behind bars for the rest of his life, but the timing is very convenient and Berman, the SDNY head prosecutor is a Trump appointee after all. Just sayin'. But maybe this is not news to anyone but me at this point. r290: Of course there is a major connection between Epstein and Trump. Was that even in doubt? But Epstein is red meat for the Dems to take heat off the Nazi in the White House.

R255, I remember years ago that dictionaries would use the age of 12 to mark the move to womanhood. Though they don't spell it out anymore, it seems to have stuck. Once a woman gets their period seems to be the criteria.

It is outrageous that any high-risk level sex offender be free and not be incarcerated for life. I hear this bullshit all the time: "He did his time and served his sentence" and they let them walk free. The justice system is as corrupt as it gets. It protects the criminals who seemingly have more rights than the victims. Epstein certainly is not the only high-risk sex offender walking the streets. If Epstein had been put away for life many years ago when he was finally convicted and required to register as a sex offender all of his victims since then would not have suffered. The system failed all these girls and their families.

Jeffrey Epstein is not a pedophile. (at least according to this article). But he may be worse....

(from the article)...

"Nothing that's surfaced so far in media reports and court filings points to Jeffery Epstein being the clinical definition of a pedophile. His victims, as far as we know, are young, but not so young as to be pre-pubescent. Instead, Epstein appears to be a regular old abuser, not the victim of a psychiatric disorder sprung from his own brain. He’s simply rich, powerful, entitled, a creep, a convicted criminal, and willing to violate all kinds of moral codes to get what he wants. So while Epstein may not be a pedophile, in many ways, he's something much worse."

R221, Oh, and the world of movies and television isn't involved? Try Googling about Nicole Kidman's father, and then get back to me about that "bad movie."

And it's not international? Hahaha!

R294, It would seem that the legal definition trumps (NPI) the "clinical definition."

Too many here are like the ancient Greek perverts found memorialized on vases at the Met.

World leaders have sex with minors?! Bunga bunga!

Missing conspicuously from r278's post is the word "child." JE is a convicted child sex offender accused of child sex trafficking.

Is any intrepid journalist, I wonder, investigating if there are any dots to connect with the missing immigrant girls, some of whom were photographed being led by their hands on the streets of NYC, having been flown there in the dead of night, ostensibly to be placed with foster families? These pictures are still on the Internet.

Absolutely zero of these children have been since located, nor the "foster families" identified publicly (nor have they come forth). You know, since the government is trying to re-unite the immigrant families and all.

As if.

Untold wealth, private islands, private planes, private yachts.

Drugs, weapons, money, diamonds, women, children. All easily acquired, all easily transported (see above).

High-ranking, sometimes the highest-ranking, men (and a handful of women) in every field of endeavor using whatever means at their disposal, including government agencies, to indulge their fantasies, lusts, needs.

As a DL fave often said, "Oh, grow up!"

R292 's post made me snort out loud.

I am still giggling over it.

So when are we going to hear about the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell?

[quote] Is any intrepid journalist, I wonder, investigating

Has anyone found the "journalism" produced from Charlie Rose after his "Lolita Express" trips,? How about Katie Couric/George Stephanopoulis and their Epstein parties?

Poor George had to come out and say he didn't know Epstein was a pedo. His investigation didn't seem to get very far.

R301 Maybe Jizz will flip on Epstein and cooperate as new evidence against her is uncovered...

[quote]He has pleaded not guilty, and she has denied any wrongdoing and has not been criminally charged. But in recent years, Ms. Maxwell has struck confidential settlements in civil court with two women who say she participated in Mr. Epstein’s sexual exploitation of them. Thousands of sealed records from one of those cases are expected to be released in coming weeks, potentially revealing more

[quote]During some massage sessions, Mr. Epstein also engaged in sexual exploitation and abuse of girls, according to criminal charges and numerous civil cases that have been filed against him. Two accusers have said Ms. Maxwell participated in the abuse.

[quote]Ms. Maxwell disappeared from the social scene after 2015, the year that Ms. Giuffre filed the defamation suit against her.

R292, Today girls get there period anywhere between 10 and 16 years old. Warmer, tropical climates mean overall young women mature earlier while in Northern Scandinavia it's higher. Genetics still are a strong factor. Additives including hormones given to meat have been proven to play a strong role in lowering the age of a girl's 1st period.

When a girl gets here period or when a boy can first produce sperm have very little to do with whether they are adults.

Let's be clear: It's the legal definition of "child," not the biological definition, that matters, here.

“I’m really, really surprised that the NYPD let him get away with this, knowing he’s a level 3 sex offender,’’ said lawyer Brad Edwards — referring to the debacle exclusively reported in The Post in which the police department failed to follow up on a court order requiring Epstein to report in every 90 days.

Asked what effect the NYPD’s botched actions might have caused, the lawyer responded by noting the massive trove of porn — including some allegedly involving children — in the multimillionaire pedophile’s Upper East Side home.

“For one, I doubt that he would have been keeping these pornographic trophies, which is what it seems to be, of thousands of photos of young women in his home if somebody was checking on him and he felt there was some sort of scrutiny and accountability of being a registered sex offender,’’ Edwards said.

The lawyer added that for Epstein, “Sex was his full-time job.”

“One of the questions I’ve received many, many times is what Jeffrey Epstein actually did on a daily basis. What I’m telling you is, what he did on a daily basis is engage in these types of sex acts with young adults and children,’’ Edwards said. “I’m also telling you that his employees’ sole responsibility was to accumulate as many of these people for those sexual perversions as they possibly could. That’s what he did.

“What he did to make his money, I don’t know. What he did legitimately outside of engaging in these sexual misdeeds, I don’t know — nor do any of the witnesses that we have ever deposed.”

The NYPD insisted to The Post in a statement, “Jeffrey Epstein was never in violation of the judge’s order as he legally changed his residency and was monitored in his new jurisdiction in compliance with” the law.

But a judge already considered the residency argument by Epstein’s lawyer in 2011 — and rejected it, ruling that the pedophile would still have to adhere to the requirements for Level 3 sex offenders, considered the worst and most at risk of repeating their crimes, while in New York state.

Does anyone else think we have a paedophile on this thread?

R291, I think so, too.

And also...maybe Trump eliminated a sex traffic competitor...

I also think immigrant kids are being trafficked via Trump’s border crisis.

R291, I think the opposite is true. I think (or should I say I hope?) that the Epstein story is being released by Trump’s enemies because it will expose Trump. One clue that supports my theory is the loss of Acosta — why would Trump have JE taken out only to lose Acosta? Why would Trump want the JE story released when he is implicated in it? I also don’t believe Trump cares about the border crisis getting press — the cages are red meat for his base, so he *wants* the press coverage of brown people in cages.

His attack on the 4 Dem women is his attempt to redirect/distract from the Epstein story. I simply refuse to believe that someone as disgusting and dirty as Trump would pass over the chance to “party” with Epstein. How can anyone believe that Trump NEVER indulged with JE? Impossible. 28 girls + a mountain of blow + JE & the Orange Fatass = He Fucked. I hope this is his takedown, and I hope it’s as ugly as possible, death by 1,000,000 cuts. Imagine how grosteque it will be to hear about Trump having relations with children and then revisiting pictures of 14 yo Ivanka on his lap. His followers won’t be able to swallow it, it will be what finally breaks them.

^^^Yes.

R310 Fingers crossed.

My head is spinning.

Where is the stuff about Epstein & Trump fighting over taking the girl’s virginity. Trump succeeds and Epstein beats the crap out of her and then rapes her too?

Did I read that on this thread?

Was there a credible news source for this?

Am I correct in remembering this info was part of what had been recently unsealed?

I remember the same, R313. Can't help you any more, though...

That and the fact that those are criminal offences R310.

Is this what you guys are looking for? Trump and Epstein fighting over to take a 13 yo girl virginity...

Not to disagree with R301 overall, but I think in Trump's mind there's little downside for losing Acosta. He probably figures he can replace him with another lackey—he doesn't care about competence. And even better, he gets to appoint yet another *acting* cabinet member, further filling up the administration with unconfirmed, unapproved underlings directly beholden to him—another step towards the petty dictatorship he wants.

Yesterday I saw a sympathetic article about Ghislaine Maxwell, talking about how lost she was after her father died and how after her father’s criminality was revealed, she had a trust fund that ‘only’ paid her $100,000 a year.

Boo. Fucking. Hoo.

This woman was a fucking international pimp and I’m supposed to feel sorry for her??? Fuck that. Just because she was some sort of society figure. Unbelievable.

[quote] Just because she was some sort of society figure. Unbelievable.

DL blasphemy!!

“Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we are. They are different. ”

R316 Thank you for that. So we pretty much know the Epstein part of that is true. Why would someone randomly insert Donald Trump into the mix if he wasn't indeed part of the crime? This whole Epstein thing has the weight to take down the Donald for good. Let's hope all evidence is allowed to come to light. Would not be surprised to find Epstein hanging from a sheet in his cell sometime very soon.

I'm sure Maxwell "worked" for Epstein to supplement what I'm sure she regards as her 'meager' income (oh to get handed $100,000 a year, having never lifted a finger to earn it!). I'm also sure she regarded the opportunity to sexually abuse girls as a benefit of the job.

His type doesn't commit suicide. So it will inevitably look like murder.

Israeli Prime Minister's rival has been proven to have long standing ties with JE through the creation of international spy ware used internationally including in Mexico, and through US intelligence services. This case is much more complex than what's on the surface so far.

Video of Trump and Epstein ogling women...

r325, Wow, Trump really didn't know Epstein at all, did he?

Fucking liar who does nothing but lie and lie and lie.

Yes, thank you R16, though I don’t remember reading court documents - I could swear I had read about those same acts in an article and would like to see that again if anyone remembers.

In r325, that is Ghislaine Maxwell in the background.

Why would Ivanka Trump and at least 1 of her brothers have gone to Pedo Island?

You tell us, R329.

R330, When I try to suggest theories discussed elsewhere on the internet I get called a CT when I'm only attempting to explore other possibilities. Makes me reluctant to do so as many on DL are OCD and hard headed.

Clearly Ivanka and Jared as well as POTUS' sons hang out with other super elite many of whom have questionable reputations. Cannot believe Trump would consider any of them potential POTUS candidates in 2024.

As mentioned above, some of his parties were for the wealthy to hang out with other wealthy people away from the riff raff. Some of his parties were "normal" and then he had his "special" parties.

I love acronyms too, R331. And the Army! As for Dumpster and his relatives, they're an embarrassment.

R332, Don't kid yourself.

I'm not kidding myself or anyone. Epstein is like the swingers in my neighborhood. They have normal family style bbq's and then they have their swinger parties. Believe it or not, even despicable pedos can have "normal" weekend parties for their married or non-pedo acqauintances.

R331 The following is Trumps' current plan for the future *if he is re-elected*, which Ivanka has fully agreed to, while her two brothers are fuming that they were not chosen over Ivanka.

If Trump is re-elected he is going to make Ivanka his VP and then at some point early in his second term he is going to back out of the presidency by feigning illness/health reasons, whatever excuse he can come up with. He'll either back out mid-term or at the very earliest shortly after completing his first year. Mid-term is more likely.

The whole idea of course is a smooth, legal transition so Vice President Ivanka can slip into his position and assume his role as POTUS without having to campaign --- but of course where he will remain the "secret" power behind the presidency. He'll still be pulling the strings and calling the shots behind the scenes, just not sitting in the oval office. That is where Ivanka will be perched. And that is where he wants Ivanka -- and it is also where she wants to be and feels entitled to be. The vast majority of his deranged base will not have an issue with "President Ivanka" because they know he'll still be running the show, so to speak.

This needs to circulate, loud and clear, so that he cannot pull this shit without us shouting "told you so" -- "we knew it" -- "we called it", as he does not like others to accurately predict or foresee his devious plans and then end up being right about it, making him wrong. He so hates being wrong and losing because losing is for losers -- to him being called out and wrong = losing = loser. And he'd rather die a thousand deaths before being known for being a loser. Start spreading the news. This is his Plan A, if he is re-elected. Plan B is not much different.

Sorry, off topic... now back to the thread.

R335, Understandable that JE would invite Harvard elite scientists to seemingly legitimize his parties as well as to be a draw for the super wealthy. However at what point would word quietly spread of what was really happening on the side so that those concerned with their rep and image choose to avoid him like the plague?

If Trump claimed he avoided JE after learning the truth about his dirty dealings then why would he allow his daughter anywhere near Pedo Island?

R337, it's pretty clear that Dumpy and Epstein were good buds. I'm sure that old Jeff knew Ivanka was off limits not to mention most likely too old for Jeff.

R336, So Pence won't be on the 2020 ticket but neither will be a top sensible and experienced Republican? Doubt the base would go for Ivanka. A woman's always at a disadvantage and Trump's daughter doesn't have the background to overcome it. She's even less experienced than Trump. Furthermore much of the base is very suspicious of her husband. Bad move IMHO.

[R335] How do you know this? Sometimes I feel as if there’s a whole alternative reality going on that I don’t know about.

The kink in the plan for Trump to stay in power thru Pres. Ivanka is that she is a Jewess. Trump's Nazi base doesn't like Jews.

R341, Being a Jewess is only 1 of Ivanka's disadvantages to Trump's base. After all they support the Jewish lawyers taking JE down and most of the Jewish advisers on Trump's staff.

R340, Hints of what's in the works have been repeatedly discussed on alt sites. In fact there was just a survey on reader's choices for Trump's VP in 2020 and POTUS in 2024. Choices were limited to Ivanka and Don Jr. No I am not a CT either.

^ Yes, R342 and as I mentioned in my R336 post, Don Jr is seething that his father chose Ivanka over him for his next VP.

Interesting storytelling. What's it called, when an outlandish scenario is played out for the public in advance, so that they don't recoil too much when it is tried out for real?

Is the possible bail decision still tomorrow? (Thursday)

How much is this flight risk's bail at? The guy with a foreign passport with his picture but not his name? And access to a private jet?

R344 We should be putting that info out there as a warning so voters are at least aware. His supporters do not want a woman in the WH for President or Vice President but they will know Trump is still the one governing and making the decisions and for that reason they will not care that he resigned and replaced himself with his daughter Ivanka before his term ends. Trumps reelection means there's a high probability this will be the eventual outcome. I sure wouldn't put it past him. He has hinted and made references to this himself. It's not that far fetched.

This spider’s web involves both Democrats and Republicans – how do you think Epstein managed to remain free for so long?

Do you really think Epstein was foolish enough to only socialize with people from one political party? He donated $4 million to the Clinton Global Initiative. Bill Clinton flew to Pedo Island 27 times, and five of those times he left behind his Secret Service detail.

The young woman who is suing Epstein and Maxwell has testified that when she was working for him, he used to always say “oh that politician owes me a favor “. He said it about lots and lots of politicians from both sides of the aisle.

I don’t care if they’re Democrats or if their Republicans; if they were involved in exploiting underage girls then they need to be held accountable.

Plus President Ivanka could pardon her father for any legal difficulties he might face when he leaves office.

Maybe there's no need to make that happen.

Epstein, etc need to face the legal consequences of their criminal actions.

Trump patting a woman on the butt at his Epstein party

R349 maybe Trump and Hillary were in the fight of their lives over this. Trump for immunity in the Presidency and Hillary to pardon Bill.

Diddlers

r351 He's just attracted to beautiful.

R347, Majority of Trump's supporters would vote for an extremely experienced, brilliant woman who's also attractive. Sarah Palin's not a good example of the above.

Currently a Jamaican legal immigrant (as a child) and businesswoman with varied political experience is challenging AOC in NY. Yes she's also a mother. While she's competing only at a local level at this point she's an example of an extremely admirable, attractive candidate who's getting widespread Republican support.

Back to JE and his likelihood of serving a long prison sentence (or being killed in jail) despite his vast international political power.

R352, Why did HRC make numerous trips to Pedo Island without Bill? The island doesn't offer the usual recreational opportunities of comparable luxurious island resorts or even of isolated and private paradises.

"While she's competing only at a local level at this point she's an example of an extremely admirable, attractive candidate who's getting widespread Republican support."

She's only getting widespread support from Republicans because they'll vote for ANY Republican over a Democrat. They don't care about her accomplishments.

I doubt any of this footage will bother his supporters. There could be video evidence of Trump raping an underage girl released to the press and many of his rabid followers still wouldn’t care.

I doubt Hilary is a child molester despite the Alex Jones induced hysteria. No one is going to turn down a private island retreat without tourists and shared beaches. Maybe she had a lover join her.

R358, There must be a reason so many elite and famous women flew to Pedo Island when there's always been plenty of far superior alternatives particularly for those seeking total seclusion, privacy and/or top of the line service. Hardly anything exists on Pedo Island unless of course it's all underground. Compare it to Bohemian Grove's set up and absolutely nothing makes any sense. Even Branson's party island offers superior amenities.

Personally I can't stand Alex Jones whiny, irritating voice so I don't pay attention to his views.

"There must be a reason so many elite and famous women flew to Pedo Island when there's always been plenty of far superior alternatives particularly for those seeking total seclusion, privacy and/or top of the line service"

Huh? Men and women went there, not just women. They went there because they were friends with Epstein. Rich and famous people hang out with other rich and famous people.

Those type of resorts cost serious money, r359. Epstein offered it all for free.

He’d fly you out there on his private jet and entertain you all expenses paid.

R360, Of course we know many men went to Pedo Island but why would elite women? Just because it was 100% free? Still think HRC, Ivanka Trump and the other women were foolish to go knowing JE's reputation. Hillary especially since she was pursuing a political career and should know to avoid the implication of impropriety even if everything was 100% innocent.

You are the company you keep.

You forget R362, that Epstein was a political donor. No doubt these women went for free and to curry donations. Duh.

R354 - Yes, the majority of Trump supporters would vote for a woman if she were extremely experienced, brilliant and attractive but only IF she were a Republican. And they would hold her to a higher standard too, so she would have to be very attractive, highly qualified, accomplished and Republican. That doesn't describe Ivanka by any stretch of the imagination but they would go along with Ivanka as VP and later as POTUS because they'd know their crazy man Trump is still in power operating behind the scenes.

Back on topic.

R365 Republicans have a low bar for attractiveness. Kellyann Conway is considered a babe in those circles. White, peroxide blonde, fake tits a plus and spouting anti-anything that isn't "white "christian"" and a love of guns is all it would take.

Fat Donnie cannot just "appoint" treason Barbie as VP.

He has to ditch clay face pence and install her prior to the primary season.

If you think his deplorables will go for that, you haven't been hearing them scream about her and traitor Jared.

But all the Ivanka rumors are funny and you know Pence is just sitting there biting his fingernails wondering if it is true. Because Donald wouldn't just abandon him...would he?

Donald and Ivanka had probably already roleplayed President and VP, with her bent over the Oval Office desk.

Jeffrey Epstein paid Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office $128,000 during incarceration for prostitution charges Jeffrey Epstein paid PBSO from his ‘non-profit’, Florida Science Foundation

Not long after trump was getting massages and handies from underage girls with Epstein in the same room, he posed for this creepy photo with her in Time magazine.

That footage of Epstein and Trump at Mira Lago discussing women also shows Trump dancing with women and he appears to even grab one by the pussy.

I love how the Russians and Deplorables are going crazy on Twitter trying to deflect and say the Democrats are scared that tapes are going to emerge from this Epstein thing. Yeah, right, I'm sure Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi tapes are out there. BWAH HA HA!!

And the only video we are seeing is Trump acting all chummy and pervy with pedophile Epstein in MULTIPLE videos!!

Birds of a feather...

One more motivation to elect a morally conservative, married gay POTUS.

r374, Somehow I don't see Trump's deplorables seeing it quite the same way.

Just a feeling.

R335, The prosecutor would beg to differ from you. He recently said to the court that sex---having, procuring, selling, offering--- was Epstein's full-time "job."

It did seem an obsession to Epstein and his cronies.

In that video of Trump and Epstein from the 90's - Trump seems to be really trying to look like his father. Those eyebrows and hair. It's creepy.

So, is he uglier now or was he uglier then?

There's always the issue of the hair.

R320 Ah, Scott Fitzgerald. Gorgeous.

Tender Is The Night was one of the most disturbing reads

I stand by the theory that enemies of Trump “reignited” this case, and Trump is using the Congresswomen as his Grand Distraction. Have we yet determined the **precise event** that triggered this saga being lit up again? That is likely a story in and of itself.

As others have stated, even pedos have a social life. I had a close friend who was a child abuser (unbeknownst to me of course) and he partied like an SOB and had gatherings constantly. I partied with him regularly, in his home and at the bars. Once the whole story came out, we discovered that he did his abusing during work hours only (he was a teacher), right in his classroom. So one of the many things I learned is that these high functioning abusers are quite adept at silo-ing/compartmentalizing the various facets of their life. In fact, they *must* do this. How better to hide, my dearie? I also learned that they often overcompensate in their social life so that they blend in more. Think about the people you perhaps partied with a lot.....would you ever being thinking that they have a whole separate part of their life where they are having sex with children?

So Epstein entertaining frequently, and having a multitude of friendships by no means implicates the vast majority of his “friends.” They likely just enjoyed his company, I’m certain he could be charming at times, and they got “goodies” by being in his orbit, such as private flights, visits to his luxurious estates, rubbing elbows with other VIP’s. And yet.....we know Trump is a pig and an abuser too. I have no proof, but my gut based on being manipulated by a sexual predator myself is that the odds of them partying and abusing girls together is extremy high. Did Bill Clinton do the same? It’s possible, but much less likely than Trump Obviously Dershowitz did indulge. I think there are many from his phone book that indulged, but they are probably still just a fraction of his total contacts. But these are ALL elite and rich people, which also means that a large contingency will be pressuring everyone to tamp this story down. Many asses are on the line.

I think the Trump kids being on the island is just a red herring, and again, would be typical of a predator, having their kids right near them in their hunting ground, they are hiding in plain sight.

What is fucking mind blowing is the media failing to report the transcripts of Trump/Epstein fighting over popping a virgin’s cherry. You need to pressure every single journalist/newscaster you know to cover this. Everyone from Robert Costa to NPR to Lawrence. Email, tweet, call. Spread it on your social media. Do this for your country now, this is no joke, this story can potentially take the monster down. We’ve all *got* to ban together right now. “Mary” me to infinity, I don’t give a fuck — I ask you as a fellow American. Plaster the virgin cherry popping story all over your sm. Your country needs you.

I occasionally lurk around deplorable sites and as of lately they are saying that Trump ended his relationship with Epstein BEFORE he was aware that he was, as they put it, "fucking underage girls." They do not see it as rape probably because they are just like him; pedophiles, hebephiles, rapists -- most sex offender criminal types voted for Trump. They probably make up about a third of his base. They are claiming that Trump ended his relationship with Epstein upon learning that he was a pedophile when the truth is that he was still friends with him all along.

When another poster mentioned that Trump was still friends with Epstein even after he was convicted and forced to register as a sex offender they said that is not true. Another poster, who was making sense, told them that the only reason Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago was because some of his wealthy, long-time members were offended and upset that he would allow a sex offender to be there and not because he had sexually assaulted a teenage girl as Trump claims.

So the only reason Trump would not allow Epstein to go to M-A-L was because he was losing wealthy members, some of whom threatened to terminate their M-A-L membership with a refund. Trump didn't care about the sexual assault, he just cared about his profits and image and didn't want to lose members. Trump is trying to make himself look like he has a moral compass when he has none and the stupid, easily mislead deplorables ate that up.

Based upon what I've read the past week the deplorables do not believe Trump maintained a relationship with Epstein once he was convicted in 2008 when he became aware that Epstein was molesting and raping girls. They also believe that some of the girls were partying with Epstein and they were on board with this sort of thing or that they put themselves in a position where this could happen, not that Epstein took advantage of them, and also claiming that Trump is not responsible for Epstein's behaviors.

There is no getting through to them. They are ignorant, low-IQ and dense. Some of Trumps supporters are sex offenders and perverts themselves. So the very people who need to listen and know the truth about Trump and his involvement with Epstein are not interested. They are not listening. His approval rating has not dropped one point because of these crimes. They believe Trump is innocent in all of this and is being dragged through the mud.

Trump has ties to Epstein, but let's stop with the unsourced fake news. There is zero evidence of Ivanka or the Trump kids being on the island, or "Lolita Express".

R382 The fact that they have not plastered that story everywhere and played that video of him making that comment (if such a video exists) tells you right there that the media is placating and playing us. I agree with you that if they really wanted to take Trump down that alone would do it because "pop her cherry" is openly admitting to pedophilia/hebephila. They can spin it however they want and say they were referring to an 18 yr old virgin but even the dumbest of the dumb Trumpies will know he's twisting the truth and guilty as hell. There should come a point where even the worst of the deplorables will see that Trump has long-term ties and involvement with Epstein.

[quote] You need to pressure every single journalist/newscaster you know to cover this.

Unfortunately, we have seen too many journalists were friends with Epstein and likely participated in his orgies.

That's why everyone has to do their own research, and share it here and on social media.

There was little or no MSM coverage for 30 years while everyone knew it was going on.

I disagree r386. You’re conflating his social status world with his peverted sex world, but they were separate. Again, he maintained a *separate* world of elites: scientists, politicians, journalists, corporate leaders, blahblahblah. These people were just on his party circuit — do not go down the CT lane just because Katie Couric hung out at his pool parties. Think of the party house in high school — that was Epstein, and people like Stephanopoulis just hung for the fun, the connections, the gossip.

Also, please note that the journalists who truly BREAK stories aren’t seen as his guests, at least to my knowledge.

R387, And just HTH do you come off declaring that what you posit must be the truth? HTH do YOU know Epstein kept "two different worlds" separated?

What's your angle? Are you Bill Clinton, Katie Couric, George S, etc., or are you just a friend of someone on the passenger lists?

I'm sorry we have to disagree, R387.

As support that we cannot rely on journalists to cover this story fairly, see R128. All journalists that want to be there for the "fun & gossip" need to be held accountable.

MSM journalists were handed the biggest story in decades this week. You can see what they chose to focus on below.

Trump didn't shun Epstein when he found out he fucked underage girls. Trump loved that sort of thing. He is quoted in Vanity Fair saying how much he liked Epstein and that he liked beautiful women just like Trump - some even on the young side. Trump knew what Epstein was up to because Trump was just like him. A young girl is a trophy for them and to take their virginity is the biggest. I read the transcripts of the charge against Trump and Epstein and it is pretty horrific. According to the court filing, Trump raped the 13 year girl - taking her virginity. Then Epstein got mad that it was Trump who got her virginity and Epstein raped her again and attempted to take her anal virginity. Plus she got hit around a bit by both of them.

In a summer of scandal for the British royal family — William and Harry’s reported falling out, Meghan Markle’s diva ­antics at Wimbledon — one truly sordid royal has not been making headlines.

Prince Andrew, the Duke of York.

The Queen’s favorite son has always been useless at best, a liability at worst — boorish, piggish, entitled, greedy and often quite stupid, consorting with ­oligarchs and strongmen for ­personal profit.

But Andrew’s most dangerous entanglement — his rancid loyalty to convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, which has reportedly spanned decades — has never really been challenged by the Queen, the prime minister or the British press, constrained as they are by some of the world’s most stringent libel laws.

On the heels of Epstein’s arrest last week for the sex trafficking of underage girls, the US Appeals Court for the Second Circuit has ruled that 2,000 pages from a 4-year-old defamation suit filed by one of Epstein’s and Andrew’s alleged victims, Virginia Giuffre (née Roberts), are to be unsealed.

It’s likely that names will be heavily redacted. After all, extremely rich and powerful people are contained within, including, said the court, “prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister and other world leaders” — all now implicated in Epstein’s alleged sex trafficking operation.

But Prince Andrew will almost certainly be named and his behavior highly detailed. It was Giuffre, after all, who in 2011 told the Daily Mail that Epstein made her a “sex slave” when she was just 15. In 2015, The Guardian reported that, in court papers, she was forced, at age 17, to have sex with Andrew three times in three different locations. Andrew has denied these allegations.

The insolent prince would not be cowed, even as The Sunday Times UK reported that flight and public records put Roberts and Prince Andrew in three separate locations at the same time — including once on Epstein’s private Caribbean island — even as a photo surfaced of Andrew taken in 2001, his arm around then-17-year-old Virginia’s waist.

That photo was taken in Ghislaine Maxwell’s apartment. Maxwell has been named as Epstein’s longtime alleged pimp and has herself been accused of sexually abusing young girls in court rec­ords filed in New York this past April. Maxwell has denied any wrongdoing. In 2011, The Daily Telegraph reported that Epstein and Maxwell had, in 2000, been hosted at Queen Elizabeth’s Sand­ringham estate.

In fact, in 2011, after Epstein was released after serving a mere 13 months for soliciting an underage girl for prostitution — with Epstein out free on “work release” up to 12 hours a day — The Post reported that it was Prince Andrew with whom he celebrated.

The senior royal, according to the Telegraph, spent four days at the registered sex offender’s $50 million Upper East Side mansion, while Epstein worked to settle some of outlandish debts plaguing Andrew’s equally greedy and parasitic ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson.

“I’m not a sexual predator,” ­Epstein told The Post back then. “I’m an ‘offender.’ It’s the difference between a murderer and a person who steals a bagel.”

Around the same time, Andrew and Epstein were photographed taking a chummy walk through Central Park, a photograph splashed in tabloids both here and in the UK.

This did not play well back home. Buckingham Palace was forced to issue a statement.

“There is a question mark over his choice of friends,” a senior royal aide told the press, “and that is quite difficult for him.”

Difficult for him?

This month, the palace was more forceful. “It is emphatically denied that the Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts,” the palace said in a statement Sunday. “Any claim to the contrary is false and without foundation.”

By the way, another witness who gave evidence in Giuffre’s case testified that Andrew spent “weeks” at Epstein’s mansion in Florida — where young women were often roaming around topless or in the pool, naked — and that the prince received “daily massages.”

Epstein’s indictment claims that when Epstein received “massages,” this led to horrors.

It’s well known that the British royal family has been fighting for survival — for popularity, for relevancy, for the continued financial backing of its subjects — since Princess Diana’s death in 1997. Modernizing the monarchy has since been a Herculean effort, and it seems the palace regards the addition of a young American woman of mixed-race heritage great progress.

But the palace and its most trusted advisers should take note: Much has happened between 2011 and today, including, for Prince Andrew, a movement that could not be more aptly named: Time’s Up.

r212. Yes, your post is directed in the right direction. Dumpster and his gang of thieves is what is behind KavaNAUGHT getting that Supreme Court seat. It was all timed: practically out of the blue Justice Kennedy surprises everyone by his sudden DECISION to retire. He is still healthy, with no signs of any deterioration and now he's leaving in just two weeks and announced his desire to have Brett Kavanaugh to replace him AND he wants Kav's assistants to accompany him. Imagine!

This in fact went down. Also, his son works at Deutsche Bank in the very department that Deutsche is now shutting down. Meuller has subpoenaed Deutsche Bank's documents that Barr fought very hard to block. Why? Also, who and why did someone payoff KavaNAUGHT's $200,000 debt and how was his debt not investigated.

Bottom line: Some entity with a lot of power wanted all of this to happen under Dump's illegitimate Presidency. There's something foul in Denmark.

Kennedy's retirement wasn't sudden. There were rumors going around for more than a year ahead of time. Not to say there was no backroom dealing, but it wasn't sudden.

r394 Listen, IF any Supreme leaves the court, they sure as hell know what the current President's persuasion is. Don't toss off the idea that Kennedy didn't know what the consequences of his decision to retire implicated. It's trolls like you that are in denial. Didn't I mention how unprecedented and presumptious it was for a retiring SC Justice to Name or suggest his own replacement!? Get off here with your shit! Do you think RBG is hanging for her own kicks too. FUCK OFF!

Am I okay in stating Dump will always have 33% of the vote, regardless of what he says or does? If Dumpster is full on insistent that he must preach to them, then why does MSM care....really, why should others care? Why not concentrate on the other 66%? We don't need to reinforce how depraved that segment is. It's downright depressing and I hope that incessant hurricanes, floods, tornadoes and scorching farm-wrecking weather changes their collective dim witted minds - or else Mother Nature can go right ahead cull the herd.

R395. Screeching at me doesn't change the fact that it wasn't sudden, there was talk that he was being pressured by Republicans to do so to nail down the conservative majority on the court.

You're kind of an idiot, by the way.

Will Epstein get bail tomorrow?

Dear r397, Kennedy stepped down within a year or so of Dumps Presidency - that's pretty sudden to me. I wonder what gets you off to suggest it wasn't? What possible benefit do you derive from that? Yes, Kennedy was blackmailed and that happened pretty quick, too.

By the way, you're kind of an idiot troll, Boris.

[Quote]Kennedy stepped down within a year or so of Dumps Presidency - that's pretty sudden to me[/quote]

I know that when Trump was elected, I thought he'd be out in a year, possibly two. I was so naive.

No, I don't think Epstein will get bail...but see above.

Joyce Alene asked a good question on Twitter:

Why keep a 30 year old expired passport in a fake name in your safe? With your child pornography?

I have to agree with R394. Kennedy's departure wasn't necessarily sudden but it was unexpected in the manner that it occurred. There had been speculation that Kennedy would retire at the end of the term. Many were anticipating the announcement from the court. But instead of an announcement, Kennedy hired staff for the next year. The court session ended with all justices fully intact. However, the next day, Kennedy has a secret meeting with Don McGahn to tell him that he is leaving and to discuss a replacement. I agree that there was some back dealing regarding Kennedy's son but the proper characterization of the departure is not necessarily sudden but unconventional or unexpected given that he had staff in place for the next session. Something happened to change his mind.

MSNBC: New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas confirms to Rachel Maddow that investigators in his state looking into Jeffrey Epstein's ranch there have communicated with people who say they were victims of Epstein. "We have confirmed that there are survivor victims and we want to make sure that we refer this evidence to the New York prosecutors."

He also alluded to the fact that there could be a bit of a scandal with Epstein having leases on the land around his property. It sounds like the former Governor sold Epstein the house and then gave him a generous lease on the governmental lands surrounding it.

Governor was Bruce King. His son Gary was also Attorney General for New Mexico for a number of years and has run for governor a couple of times.

Federal prosecutions of those who trafficked children for sex dropped 26.7% over the last year.

The Obama administration dramatically ramped up such prosecutions, climbing threefold from 85 cases in 2009, the year the 44th president took office, to more than 260 during his final year in the White House.

While those prosecutions held steady in the first year under President Donald Trump, they have taken a dramatic plunge every year since.

Has Bill been fitted for a set of matching ankle & chest monitors like Hillary has been forced to wear secretly for the last two years?

Will they have adjoining cells at Gitmo???

WHEN are the "MASSIVE ARRESTS" finally happening, oh QAnons?

"There was little or no MSM coverage for 30 years while everyone knew it was going on."

No one even knew who he was 30 years ago.

Berman rejects Epstein's bail application.

Berman cites danger to others and to the community.

Judge Berman:

"I find that the government has established danger to others and to the community by clear and convincing evidence," he says, also finding risk of flight by "preponderance of the evidence."

"I doubt that any bail package can overcome danger to the community."

R302 Retiring Justices still hire clerks. You’d want to know whether Kennedy disclosed to his hires that they were going to be clerking for him as an inactive Justice. Although he has a reputation of being a self-involved egomaniac ass, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he said nothing about his plans. I think it’s too far-fetched to say someone forced his retirement.

"It's going to be staggering, the amount of names"

Alt right sites claim it would be easier to name the super elite who were not involved with JE's crimes. Other internet sites state that 1/2 of DC could easily be named in questionable activities with ex-President Jimmy Carter's probably one of the few "moral" and therefore admirable politicians.

I must be naive because I thought men who fuck underage teens were quite small in number.

Probably those types are more drawn to politics because it gives them power (which they often abuse).

Alt-right sites aren’t credible.

R417, Usually allt right sites aren't 100% credible but sometimes they're correct on certain points. You'd be surprised at the number of threads and posts which are almost identical to DL. Daily Fail has taken many of their stories on JE directly from certain alt right sites as well.

As soon as he gets an opportunity, he’ll run for it.

If Jimmy Carter is implicated in anything akin to this, I will completely lose my faith in humanity.

Completely.

Bill Gates? Tony Blair? Worse than Weinstein scandal? Holy smokes?

What’s with this guy and “massages” and his whole life seemed centered around sex. He had one hell of an addiction.

Jimmy Carter is too old for this and he doesn’t have that level of money. There was a Post piece a few months ago about how he and Ros live in the same house they’ve always had and cook their own meals.

Here, this is a nice palate cleanser from contemplating the sordid, cruel, and empty life of Jeffrey Epstein.

I do think he'll die in prison, probably before trial to keep him quiet. He knows too much about Trump and all the swamp dwellers in the White House.

I was just reading a post by a guy who had become disillusioned with the Republican Party ( he was a former supporter/activist and lived in a very red state ). Anyway, he went to a town hall meeting and when he took issue with the Republican Party, Trump and the fact that the town hall was flying the confederate flag, he received death threats against both him and his family.

All he did was raise some legitimate issues while trying to be be calm and rational while he was about it. However, a bunch of Rednecks who lived in his neighbourhood went ballistic and threatened to kill both him and his family.

I know I’m going off on a tangent here but I seriously think that even if video evidence surfaces of Trump and Epstein both beating and raping a twelve year old sex slave it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference with these people.

Thanks, r424.

How low we have fallen.

Yes, it's a cult, and their intimidation of the rest of us is part of the erosion of constitutional government. The Republicans would like nothing better than a vigilante state supporting a right-wing dictatorship.

R423, Perhaps you misunderstood my previous post? Jimmy Carter is just about the ONLY 100% moral politician in DC who's absolutely never participate in JE's machinations. It's estimated that about 50% of the others can't make the same claim.

Does Trump dye or bleach his eyebrows? It sure looks it in that picture posted by r406.

"Usually allt right sites aren't 100% credible but sometimes they're correct on certain points. You'd be surprised at the number of threads and posts which are almost identical to DL. Daily Fail has taken many of their stories on JE directly from certain alt right sites as well."

R418, the reason some of the threads and posts on DL are almost identical to the alt-right sites is because there are cranks on here too. The Daily Fail will publish any shit it can get away with and is alt-right itself in terms of much of its politics.

"I know I’m going off on a tangent here but I seriously think that even if video evidence surfaces of Trump and Epstein both beating and raping a twelve year old sex slave it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference with these people."

R426, your last sentence explains exactly why there are some MAGA types who wouldn't care what it's proven that Trump has done because people just believe whatever they want to. There is absolutely no evidence that Trump raped or beat 12 year olds, yet you are happy to believe that he probably did that anyway.

R392, the British royal family is in no way fighting for relevancy and no one in the UK gives a shit about Andrew.

yes, these people have no morals.

Most of the people I see become super rich and successful have been assholes, cheated and screwed people over to get ahead.

I wouldn't be surprised at any names revealed.

Tony Blair fucked Wendy Deng (the Chinese spy), the wife of his best friend Rupert Murdoch, they took vacations together etc.

Raw Story: Epstein buddy Alan Dershowitz claims that The New Yorker is is working on an exposé about him and women who have accused him of having sex with them when they were under 18 years old.

In an op-ed he wrote for right-wing publication Newsmax, Dershowitz accuses New Yorker editor David Remnick of commissioning “a hit piece against me for the explicit purpose of silencing my defense of President Trump, Prime Minister Netanyahu, and the State of Israel.”

Dershowitz then claims, without offering any evidence, that “Remnick explicitly told people that I must be silenced because mine has been the most persuasive voice in favor of what Remnick feels pose dangers to values he holds dear, and that he will use the credibility of The New Yorker to accomplish this goal.”

R436 oh goodie. That means someone actually has the goods on Dershowitz.

I can't wait to see all these Trump defenders and administration members go down in flames due to pedophilia.

is it just me or is Epstein pinging here? starting at about :58

I can't get past Epstein's nasty bloody gums. Gross fucking pedo.

Maybe pinging. Looks like he’s trying hard to fit in with Trumps’ fratatude.

(might also be he chooses girls who aren’t old enough know an erect penis shouldn’t look like an egg.)

well, the mohel did have to bring a different tool to my bris

What will happen to Epstein's porn collection? Whoever holds that could blackmail everyone in it.

I hope there are several people documenting the "porn collection" and that there are multiple copies being made so Barr can't magically disappear it.

He should give up the goods on everyone. He has nothing to lose now...he'll probably get shanked either way.

He should give up the goods on everyone. He has nothing to lose now...he'll probably get shanked either way.

I truly think Epstein is going to be found swing from a sheet in his jail cell.

Well, he's supposed to have all that blackmail material...what is that buried? on his Island?

I think we're finally onto the real story about Trump and Russia. I think Epstein is involved. Maybe through Saudi Arabia? What we're going to find with Epstein is a whole lot of nasty i.e. rape, sex trafficking and probably murder. What do you do with all these young girls when they aren't so young any more? Either dump them off your island or sell them into the sex trade market. No way you're going to hand them a couple thousand dollars and thank them for their service. They need to get Epstein's madam under arrest soon or she will be fleeing to another country if she hasn't already. Trump diddling about with a couple of Russian hookers and peeing on each other seems like teenage hijinks compared to this.

i'm surprised he has saudi connections, I mean, if you're rich and powerful in the middle east, you do what the fuck you want, nobody will give a shit. eat, drink, fuck anything, no problem. Why would they have a need for Epstein? Only thing I can think of is, he knows a lot of celebs, maybe the saudis want to meet these celebs but they usually just pay appearance fees of these actresses...

The Saudis and others need enough boat hos to entertain their guests when they go a yachting.

There is plenty of need for young, white women who have been sexually abused to be farmed out or sold to these and other creeps.

I can't recall where but I remember many strippers with stories about how they would go "work" in the middle east for a few weeks or a month and come back with lots of money. I read that somewhere years and years ago...

And what makes you think Trump isn’t knee deep in this? He already raped one 13 yr old that we know of.

Did I hear my name mentioned?

There has to be some link that connects Dump, Epstein and Putin. Many of these underage girls and women look Russian or Eastern European. These women weren't long removed from their homelands. Some govt. or country must have had a hand in rounding up attractive blond, blue-eyed women and girls from these countries. Most of these pigs lusted for these types. They sure as hell didn't dig around for women of color. One need to only look at Melanie to see the prototype female.

One of the things that stood out for me was how brazen Epstein’s behaviour was. For example, look at what he did to the Italian model who had a meeting with him in New York. He basically stripped naked in his office and then tried to give her a vibrator.

And there’s no telling how many times he did this to other young women.

Go Remnick.

I hope this Epstein asshole gets reamed in the ass all night...just like what he did to these girls! It seems all this sex addict did all day and night was rape women and girls. How could he maintain at age 66? Pop Viagra all day? Dirty old man. Just disgusting.

If Epstein goes down for a long time, what's the possibility of him being sexually assaulted on a regular basis?

last night they said the passport they found was from Austria.

There’s nowhere he could have run to anyway. And he must have known something was going to happen to him, especially during the months leading up to his arrest, when there was increasing scrutiny in the media and the Miami Herald ran that expose on him.

The Miami Herald did great work. Just exceptional.

The mysterious temple that all the CTs were salivating over the thought of satanic sex rituals happening in, with secret tunnels, turned out to be a fitness room.

Fitness room or massage room? There's a difference.

[quote]Alan Dershowitz claims that The New Yorker is is working on an exposé about him and women who have accused him of having sex with them when they were under 18 years old.

Dersh touted his "perfect sex life" in a Fox appearance last night: "I have had sex with one woman since the day I met Jeffrey Epstein. I challenge David Boies to say under oath that he's only had sex with one woman ... He has an enormous amount of chutzpah to attack me and challenge my perfect, perfect sex life."

Meow, they are going to start turning on each other.

I hope the New Yorker helps nail that fucker Dershowitz. He’s a total scumbag who’s lying about having sex with some of the underage girls provided by Epstein.

R466, I hope so! That would be the only bright spot in this very dark and disturbing saga. They all need to go down. And if they all go down because they turn on each other, that's a bonus.

R463 It's a fitness room until Jeffrey presses the button on his iPhone.

"Alan Dershowitz rejects the Sultan's gift of a slave girl."

How very Yvonne DeCarlo!

Gawker ways in with links to new books about JE.

[quote]Gawker ways in

Oh, dear.

the proper construction is "waze" if you're looking for directions to get in

Yes, thank you R424.

I got a bit choked up there at the end.

Any chance Jimmy Carter could reach any of the deplorables?

The church thing, they’d probably laugh off, but the coming from absolutely nothing might resonate.

It’s pretty touching how satisfied he and Rosalyn are.

Deplorables will never be Trump successful - Trump isn’t even Trump successful. The more that comes out about his fraudulent claims of success, the more disillusioned they may feel.

That coupled with Carter’s humble beginnings might strike a chord with a few of them, no?

They need to broadcast Jimmy’s perspective along with pieces like at R424.

Marry Jimmy’s successes and Trump’s failures and play the hell out of it.

R463, Do a bit of research on Warren Jeffs, convicted child rapist, including of his blood relatives. Polygamist cult -leader extraordinaire, he recorded himself instructing his followers to build him a "secret" bed that could be quickly changed to a table.

He further recorded himself raping a 12-year-old "bride" on that table. His jury heard it.

All hidden, all secret. And you think Epstein is less clever? "It was just for fitness." Yeah, I'll bet it was.

Gawker is defunct and the "new books" are several years old. Reading skills?

R476, I've been reading several books on hyper controlling, beyond creepy cult leader Warren Jeffs and his sale of young teen brides. Don't think he still doesn't buy & sell children from prison to pay for his legal fees.

What the Saudis got from Epstein was access to TPTB in Washington. Those whom Epstein has blackmail material on are beholden to him. He was able to open up the access so the Saudis could buy policies that are favorable to them. If a politician couldn't be bought, Epstein could coerce them through blackmail. I'm sure the Saudis accepted Epstein's offers of underaged girls, but their interest in Epstein wasn't strictly for the girls.

Oh dear, r473, it's....

I’m very familiar with Jeffs but Epstein didn’t have a religious sect and had no need for secrecy. He was doing it pretty blatantly.

I wonder if Ronan Farrow is doing the Dershowitz "hit piece" for The New Yorker.

Ooooooo, Ronan!!! That would be juicy.

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R475 The thing that Carter has that Trump and a lot of the deplorables lack is contentment and gratitude. They are glass half empty, jealous types. You get the sense Carter would have been happy with his life, probably living in the exact same house, if he had never entered politics. Whereas Trump consumes and consumes but is never satisfied.

I think Ronan might be out of Epstein-related stories. There’s a weird connection to his mother. One of Epstein’s former assistants, Christina Engelhart, was Woody Allen’s girlfriend when she was a teenager and says she, Woody, and Mia used to have threesomes (Mia was 14 years older than she was at the time, Woody even older than that). She claims to be the inspiration for Manhattan.

Wonder if Roger Stone's friend, the Manhattan Madam, knows Epstein personally?

That's the same thing demons do, r485. They consume everything and always want more.

I'm not being facetious, either

To be fair, people who aren’t content* probably make better Presidents than people like Carter. Burning, unquenchable ambition can be a good thing. It’s a puzzle to me how Carter got there in the first place and why.

*not Trump though, fuck him.

r439, what is wrong with you? Stop trying to claim him. Do not want.

He is a pedo that likes little girls. Stop trying to change the fucking narrative.

George Nader was indicted on new sex trafficking charges today. There must be some connection between these two. I don't believe any of these creeps in Dump's orbit were there by coincidence.

Daily Beast: George Nader is accused of having sex with a 14-year-old boy from Europe he allegedly flew to the U.S.

An indictment unsealed Friday morning in Eastern District of Virginia also charges Nader with counts of child pornography and obscenity. The charges come on top of separate child-porn charges leveled by the same prosecutors last month.

Nader pleaded not guilty to all charges during a court appearance Friday.

The current Miami sheriff says his office is going to do an internal affairs investigation as to what happened during Epstein's incarceration. As if anybody will trust that?

That’s why we need savvy reports to sue based upon FOIA. They obviously can’t remease anything under the umbrella of the interval investigation, but they can *indeed* release documents pertaining to all the original crimes and investigations.

R436, his usual accusation is anti Semitism against him. He cannot make that accusation against Remnick.

R488, sounds apt. Trump is evil.

Nader, Epstein, Prince, MBS. They are all tied to Trump and doing some nefarious shit. I remember when Obama couldn't play basketball with DOJ Holder because it looked improper. But Trump's friends are kiddie diddlers, racists, murders and own private armies. But the GOP is just fine with this.

It's quite mind boggling that someone would hang out with one child rapist, let alone two of them. But that "our" President. And it's just as mind boggling that there are people in our country who don't care.

R498 America has jumped the shark

Rednecks are unaware. I just unfriended three after a spat with one.

She had no idea there was video evidence of Trump socializing with Epstein.

I called her out about Trump having sex with a porn star while his wife was pregnant. She went BALLISTIC. She didn’t deny it, but went on about “fake news.”

Plus she made fun of me for being gay. I was shocked.

Interesting how we each shocked the other. I forget people like her exist. We never settled the Civil War — it continues! They blindingly hate gays, blacks, browns & women. They really are like Nazis!!!

Rednecks are scary. Blue-necks are just as bad! Disagree with them & beware.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist at all but I wonder who rolled over on Epstein. He’s been operating for YEARS with only the Acosta deal as any time served. He said more or less gotten away scot-free, but what was the catalyst to make these dominoes fall? Same with Weinstein. It’s obviously the media finally doing the right thing (Julie K. Brown) but it really feels like there’s a cabal of hardnosed good guys out there who all said, okay, enough. These Nazi-pedo Republicunts are going down.

R501 The catalyst is the documents coming out related to the long-running Boies vs. Dersh legal hatefest, combined with the ongoing victims’ suit digging into the FL plea-bargain. And the Me Too movement prepped the field for people to pay attention to this and better understand why this is important. And the folks who wouldn’t otherwise consider this important can view it as bad news for the hated politician of their choice (Clinton, Trump). It’s a perfect storm.

Plus great reporting from the Miami Herald.

Agree, r501. This seemed to just drop out of nowhere.

Maybe Hillary wants to burn it all to the ground, including Bill.

Bill may have been many things, a serial cheater, but he wasn't a pedo.

I do think Hillary has probably talked to the FBI divulging all that she suspects. When Bill Clinton released that statement when the story first broke, it wasn't just a PR letter, that was a statement when you know you have nothing to hide. I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI had already asked Bill about that picture with Epstein, and Billy spilling all the stories rumored about Washington and Epstein.

I always thought that Bill and Hillary had an understanding and she that didn't care that Bill had affairs with other women. They seem to have a more intellectual love/chemistry than a sexual one.

His base is too dense and clueless to discern fact from fiction and right from wrong. They have been repeatedly told that Trump dumped Epstein before or upon he realizing he was a pedophile when that is NOT true and can even be proven to be false. They are completely tuned out to the facts and the truth.

Trump knew Epstein was "having sex" with young underage girls, some of whom had been trafficked, some who were deceived and manipulated and taken advantage of. He didn't think of it as rape, which is exactly what it was, hence the phrase "having sex." But he still knew what was going on and was still friends with Epstein the pedophile. And that is a provable fact but they won't listen.

They live in a Fox/Faux bubble and along with the lies sociopath Laura Ingraham spews they do not hear the truth because they are too insulated from it and too busy believing the lies to stop and listen to the truth. They think we are just trying to badmouth their man Trump. A certain type of person can be easily brainwashed and Trump has them brainwashed. He is pure evil.

Didn't Bill Clinton misrepresent the number of times he traveled on Epstein's plane? I might be remembering wrong, but he said in that letter four times (and always with secret service), whereas other sources were citing the travel logs as saying he flew dozens of times (not always with secret service). (Wouldn't mean he's a pedo, however.)

You are an idiot. Only FOX News says, "Bill Clinton lied!", so we know who YOU really are.

The FOUR trips had about 6 legs each, equally around 24-28 legs. And that is confirmed.

FOUR trips.

You're so sick trying to repeat 2-week old Fox News lies. Sicko.

That’s what I mean r502. It feels like it was almost like a planned counterstrike or something. A killswtich on a grenade or something. It’s monumental. It’s massive. Everything you just mentioned plus Deutsche Bank and thaf scummy law firm in Florida.

Whoever said this is contagion level in the other wasn’t kidding. Goddamn it, Ronan or Bob Woodward or somebody better write a three volume series about this starting with Clinton and ending with the next ten years with mentions of Brexit thrown in. It’s too huge to wrap one’s head around almost.

Trump will walk away unscathed as usual.

R511 I don’t think it was planned, just because it would be impossible to coordinate the FL plea bargain suit by the victims and the Dersh/Boies whatever the hell it is legal suit in NY (which already went up and back on appeal). Both of these have been percolating for over five years, just moving through the court system. It was the victims’ suit, in combination with Acosta’s appointment, that triggered the Herald pieces.

Republican Congress don't give a fuck. Remember they STOLE a Supreme Court appointment. Have done JACK SHIT about election fraud. I even think, just a little bit, they could have mentored Trump but none of them wanted to touch him, or denounce him. Trump comes in with a travelling circus of C and D- list freaky incompetents and no Republican blinked. Not to mention all Trumps scandals from the campaign, already.

Everybody slow slow slow slow. Why are Democrats still talking like Mueller testimony is the big break to come, when we all knew everything grosso modo - who and what Trump is - from the get go?

R508, Many Trump supporters do not have the time and/or energy to do the necessary research as compared to those on DL. Some have limited access to a computer between working more than one job, childcare, elder care, living off the land with vegetable gardens, hunting, and fishing, etc. Sadly they are easily misled.

Others believe all politicians are corrupt horn dogs with the exception of Jimmy Carter. So as long as Trump doesn't threaten to take away their guns and promises to restrict immigration (especially true of those who've undergone a years long expensive process to become US citizens) and doesn't start any major wars but backs LE they're OK.

The Shell Game, untangling JE's 30+ offshore companies for money laundering profit.

The case against Trump is building legally, politically and publicly, slowly. Like a battleship, it is building slowly: accelerating, gaining momentum.

When it hits, Trump and the Republican Party will be smashed.

They will drown.

The case against Trump is building legally, politically and publicly, slowly. Like a battleship, it is building slowly: accelerating, gaining momentum.

When it hits, Trump and the Republican Party will be smashed.

They will drown.

Meh. It's not going to be dramatic. It's going to be underwhelming and unsatisfying, at this point.

I don't know R517. At this point, all I'm hoping for is to turn on the TV and hear the breaking news that Trump had a heart attack or stroke.

True R515. And too add to "doesn't threaten to take away their guns and restrict immigration" they are also still supporting Trump because they want abortion banned and believe he is going to follow through with that promise. .

Come high hell or water they want Roe v Wade overturned and they know that a Democratic POTUS/Administration isn't going to do that. Trump promised them he would overturn Roe v Wade so the abortion issue is another reason they won't give up on Trump, especially the misguided Evangelicals.

They refuse to listen to the truth about Trumps relationship with Epstein when there is plenty of solid proof and evidence that they were partying together and Trump was still friends with Epstein knowing that he had been convicted of pedophilia and was a Tier 3 registered sex offender.

On the other hand, aside from the ignorant Evangelicals, I'd say at least one-third of Trumps base are a combination of pedophiles, sexual perverts / deviants, rapists, sexual harassers, sex traffickers, and other assorted criminals -- all combined -- at least one-third of his overall base. Birds of a feather...

R511, R513, Another factor to consider would be that the upper echelon of NXIVM are singling like canaries. Some of the same elite players in the cult are said to be connected to JE such as members of the Bronfman family.

Nothing is gonna happen to Trump while he's in office. I'm sure the authorities aren't gonna be stupid and show their cards by telling the world what they've got on Trump etc. When Trump leaves office, the charges will come. That is my belief.

JEEZUS R510 I was only asking for clarification, you don't have to accuse me of spreading fake Fox news.

Consider the high percentage of fundamentalist Christians who actually defend the power to abuse and molest—some of this came out in the Duggar case, where the "therapy" he went to emphasizes the girl's responsibility to dress modestly. They're all about rigid hierarchies, and sexual abuse just isn't necessarily a crime or sin to them, depending on who's doing it. Like the Catholic mothers who defend the priests who abused their kids.

r509, there were legs to each trip that made it sound like more than he stated.

r515, I don't think George W. stepped out on Laura, do you?

R523 I agree the charges will come when he leaves office. But, what if he is re-elected. That's my concern.

[quote]Didn't Bill Clinton misrepresent the number of times he traveled on Epstein's plane? I might be remembering wrong

R509, the only idiots peddling that story are Fox News.

Strangely enough, it sounds like Bill Clinton may be on the up and up on this one. But then, even the worst stories about him didn't involve teen girls.

I believe our country has been overcome with greed and has has fallen into a dark place. Such depravity goes hand in hand with the elites feeling above the law. This belief of being above all others is embodied in Tramp and evil minions. We need to lock THEM up and expose them for the white supremacists that they are. Maybe our trading partners can boycott the US until we prove that we believe in basic human rights.

I don't think the deplorables care about Trump with young girls. They themselves fuck cousins, abuse young girls and all kinds of sick shit. They probably think Trump is a stud esp at that party with 28 young women. They probably wished they were him, grabbing pussies and what not.

R532 To a certain extant they do. I'm sure many straight white men feel they too should be treated as such. Unfortunately, they are in a ever-dwindling minority. Face it, females are over 50% of the population and getting sick and tired of being raped and molested (murdered) by the worst of men.

R514. I have very little confidence in Meuller. I think he has s stuck-in the 50s type of mentality. He and Comey are throwbacks from a long time ago. The world has changed all around them, but they had no reason to see past their delusions. (I'm 55 and an American BTW.)

R501, The FBI guys have had it with a corrupt AG and a criminal President who has attacked them.

R502 and r511, It's not a "conspiracy theory" when it's really a conspiracy. These men (and some women, such as GM), have never been child-sex traffickers, pedophiles, money-launderers, child-immigrant kidnappers, "yacht girl" hosts, guests on private islands and planes, drug users---in their own little unique bubbles.

Thse men are globalists who recognize no laws. They pursue wealth where it goes, and if that includes trafficking in guns, drugs, 3rd-World children (1st, if possible) and Eastern European women, dirty money, dirtier politicians and law enforcement, graft, environmental degradation and genocide of indigenous peoples, blackmail, extortion, and war-mongering---well, a billionaire's gotta do what a billionaire's gotta do.

You wait. Those trying to inform us for decades who have been considered wacko will be proven to have been unsung Cassandras, and we continue to scorn and disbelieve at our social and moral peril.

You know how somebody rich must have coined the expression "Money can't buy happiness"? Well, somebody guilty must have coined the term "Conspiracy Theory."

[quote]The FOUR trips had about 6 legs each

Six legs the synecdoche for three women? Sounds about right. That's my Bill!

Mueller’s job wasn’t to save us all from Trump, like Superman. He didn’t fail just because Trump is still here. It’s our job to vote this piece of dog poop out of office.

Language!

I deeply apologize—will correct to “this piece of canine feces”

"Strangely enough, it sounds like Bill Clinton may be on the up and up on this one. But then, even the worst stories about him didn't involve teen girls."

Look, it's not that I think Clinton is a pedophile or an ephebophile or whatever... But he's very, very careless, and one of the most self-destructive human beings who ever lived. I don't want him to be caught up in this, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised. And of course, the Repigs would milk it for all they could.

[quote] "Strangely enough, it sounds like Bill Clinton may be on the up and up on this one. But then, even the worst stories about him didn't involve teen girls."

You can see the Media Matters shills are nervous about this

[quote]females are over 50% of the population

Not any more...”femicide” is a thing. And trending...

R540 is working hard to keep his scripted Talking Points circulating on message boards. "Hmmm, I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Clinton IS a pedo, with all of those Deep State trips to Pedo Island..."

Fucking troll just keeps on and on.

[quote]Look, it's not that I think Clinton is a pedophile or an ephebophile or whatever... But he's very, very careless, and one of the most self-destructive human beings who ever lived. I don't want him to be caught up in this, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised. And of course, the Repigs would milk it for all they could.

R540, you are a fucking idiot. Nobody in their right mind thinks Bill is a pedo. Unless you are Fox News, who are desperate to protect Trump.

Here’s hoping r517.

It's the payoffs and the ripoffs and the things nobody saw.

You be cool for 20 hours and I'll pay you $20 grand.

It's the payoffs and the ripoffs and the things nobody saw.

You be cool for 20 hours and I'll pay you $20 grand.

"Nobody in their right mind thinks Bill is a pedo."

And neither do I, which I clearly stated in my post. Bill Clinton is not a pedophile; nor is he a misunderstood little lamb. He should be judged by nothing but the hard, cold evidence in this case (same with Trump and Dershowitz, though to me, it's obvious that Trump is guilty as sin).

Molly Jong-Fast:

Jeffery Epstein got away with his crimes for as long as he did because he had a network including powerful politicians, heiresses, celebrities, publicists, lawyers, a district attorney, and even a recently resigned labor secretary as bad actors, rotten enablers, and abusive fellow-travelers.

We need to face up to the fact that Epstein is, in part, a product of a culture where wealthy men can do whatever they want. Consequences are for little people.

Epstein could have arranged to have a few 18 and ups for Clinton. Hope not. Interesting that the young girls that claim they saw him on the island say none of them had sex with him.

Fully agree r535. This Epstein thing feels like a huge curtain is being ripped down. I don’t know how’s much is planned, a perfect storm of lawsuits timing out perfectly, whistleblowers or divine providence, it feels like a switch got flipped and now people are opening their eyes and minds to the absolute depravity of the superrich and they want them punished. Let’s hope this rage holds until the election.

[quote]feels like a switch got flipped and now people are opening their eyes and minds to the absolute depravity of the superrich and they want them punished.

Don't get your hopes up:

The number of white-collar prosecutions is on track to hit a 20-year low under President Donald Trump, after reaching a high in 2011 during the Barack Obama administration, according to a nonprofit research center that analyzes government data.

As for Clinton: his liking adult women does not preclude an attraction to underage quim. He is (or, rather, was) a gluttonous man with broad tastes.

Jimmy Carter, as far as I can make out, is a genuinely moral person. Hard to believe such people exist and that such a person was actually elected to the Presidency but that's why TPTB got him out after one term, so they could put Saint Reagan in, who was run by a cabal of California millionaire/billionaires.

R415, They are, relatively speaking, given the world's population. But among their own peers? I'd bet not.

R553, The Big Dog has zero history of such. Trump, OTOH, has been sued....

There is a whole network of sex trafficking that the average person knows nothing about. We hear bits and pieces with regards to yacht "girls" i.e. former celebrities who sell themselves to rich men for a week or two and then have wild sex on a yacht in international waters. Also, Hollywood pool parties i.e. Bryan Singer, Harvey Weinstein, David Geffen. They are all sleaze bags.

R541, I don't even read Media Matters, so, no, not a shill. But the reasons I think Bill Clinton may not be guilty is that A) the trips on Epstein's plane don't seem to have been to his island and B) none of the many, many Jane Does claimed to have had sex with him, whereas there are women who've said they had sex with Dershowitz and Prince Andrew and were raped by Epstein and Trump.

Also, there's Bill's quadruple bypass, which may have limited some of his catting around, though I really doubt he's spent the last 20 years being faithful and true to Hillary. I expect he can find his style of bimbos and floozies right there in Manhattan.

Most of the women that Clinton went after were all over 30. Monica was probably the youngest. Clinton is no different than half the men who run around on their wives but he is not a pedo or a hebephile. I think Gennifer Flowers was almost forty.

"Were Trump & Clinton both caught in a classic honey trap?" CIA officer explains how it all might have gone down.

JE lost interest in girls when they were over a certain still very young age. He then used them to recruit much younger marks.

Feeling sad for the extremely poor and vulnerable usually from super dysfunctional families who couldn't even afford to give them the basics as expected by their peers.

[quote]Many Trump supporters do not have the time and/or energy to do the necessary research as compared to those on DL.

Many Trump supporters are too stupid to do the necessary research as compared to those on DL.

R560, Interestingly, Margolis has his own reputation as a ladies man. The CIA agent's suggestion, however, that Clinton had gotten trapped by Epstein back when he was president makes more sense to me--it would explain why Epstein said "Clinton owes me a favor", but why Clinton was able to say he had SS detail with him and there's no record of him flying to Epstein's island or any of the Jane Does saying they had sex with him.

Being able to hang with Clinton for a month in Africa, gave Epstein more of the social cache and access to power he always wanted.

Someone knew that enough was coming down the pike to set fire to something on Epstein's island, but his NY house had tons of incriminating evidence. Wonder if it was actually Epstein who set the fire in VI, then, or maybe someone who didn't want to be incriminated--Trump? Mossad?

If it were Epstein, why did he come back to New York? It seems rather high-risk under the circumstances. Much better time to vacation long-term in a country with no extradition treaty with the U.S.

Stephen Hawking visited Epstein's Island or Sin

of, not or^

Younger Epstein as teacher

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Jonathan Farkas, of The New York Social Diary Farkas?! Say it ain't so...

R567 Clearly, "convicted sex offender" means nothing to those people. A new Vanity Fair piece...

[quote] The dinner was at the home of David and Julia Koch, and Epstein can be seen in photos chatting with attendees after Peggy Siegal put him on the guest list

Why does Peggy's name keep popping up in these stories over many years?

Anyone want to speculate about her involvement?

The image of a swarm of termites eating away at the walls and floors of highly-placed scumbags, comes to mind. If Trump hadn't become president and dragged up the swamp with him, Epstein might have continued on and on. How ironic.

R571, Agreed--and others, like Weinstein, as well. The whole #metoo movement is really a reaction to Trump. Harvey Weinstein would be going on his merry vindictive way without the stories in the NY Times and the New Yorker--stories that only ran because people had had enough and decided to speak up and publish.

David Koch and Giuliani can't pretend they didn't know what Jeffrey Epstein was--he got off with a wrist slap, but he was convicted--they just didn't care.

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R531

WTF does this story have to do with white supremacy? All of the players (perps AND victims) are white?

'It was the first time he has been out in two years, but nobody blinked he was there,' said a person described by the paper as a 'witness.'

'He was chatting to Jonathan Farklas, Leon Black and Wilbur Ross. He was sitting right near Rudy Giuliani.'

Siegal would then go on to help Epstein host a dinner for Prince Andrew at his home, an event which guests told DailyMail.com was billed as a dinner with the royal and made no mention of the host.

It is unclear when the two parted ways, but it was a different time said Siegal.

'The culture before #MeToo was — "You’ve done your time, now you’re forgiven,"' she said.

Oh sure, blame your lack of moral judgement on a 'culture.'

Anyways, in one of those Vanity Fair peices on Epstein---excellent work there VF---they report Epstein helped out Ghislaine Maxwell when she was down and out---is this code for GF being ready/willing/able to assist Epstein in his activities?

She is an heiress for gods sake, how down and out can you be?

And speaking of Maxwell, wasn't it suspected her father was murdered? IIRC he was widely thought to be a despicable person.

Epstein was very good at spending his money and for some people there's never ever enough money, so Epstein had no problem corrupting a number of them.

Trump, Giuliani, Epstein--New York has a lot to answer for. New Yorkers get touchy when you point this out, but it really does reflect a certain aspect of New York City culture where men like this were more than tolerated.

Former President Bill Clinton’s connection to since-convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was established through British heiress and longtime Epstein pal Ghislaine Maxwell, who also became a friend of former first daughter Chelsea, according to a new report Sunday.

Clinton’s family grew close with Maxwell after Clinton left office in early 2001, Politico reported.

“The Clintons were relatively intimate with her,” a friend of Maxwell’s told the Web site. A person familiar with the relationship also described Maxwell as “the contact between Epstein and Clinton.”

“She ended up being close to the family because she and Chelsea ended up becoming close,” the source added.

Maxwell, the daughter of late publishing tycoon Robert Maxwell, vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea in 2009 and attended her wedding to Marc Mezvinsky the following year, Politico said.

Maxwell was also associated with the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, when it promoted a “commitment to action” by a group that included Maxwell’s environmental nonprofit, the TerrarMar Project, which she shuttered in the wake of Epstein’s arrest earlier this month.

All of those dates followed Epstein’s 2008 sweetheart-deal of a conviction in Florida on two prostitution-related charges, one of which involved a minor. The multimillionaire financier was busted July 6 on child sex-trafficking charges and last week was ordered held without bail pending trial. He has pleaded not guilty.

In 2015, an Epstein accuser, Virginia Giuffre, sued Maxwell for denying her claim that Maxwell recruited her to be sexually abused by Epstein when Giuffre was 15. Maxwell and Guiffre settled that suit for undisclosed terms on the eve of trial last year.

A source told Politico that although Maxwell was “incredibly close” to Chelsea, “She had her own relationship with Bill Clinton and was very close to him.”

Politico didn’t pinpoint the origin of Bill Clinton’s relationship with Epstein, but Fox News has reported that Clinton took at least 26 trips on Epstein’s Boeing 727 between 2001 and 2003.

A friend of Maxwell’s also told Politico about attending a dinner party around 2005 at her Upper East Side apartment and being surprised to see that where Doug Band, then a top advisor to Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, was among the eight to 10 guests. A charity formerly run by Epstein, The C.O.U.Q. Foundation, listed a $25,000 donation to the Clinton Foundation on its 2006 IRS filing, the Daily Beast has reported.

Politico quoted Bill Clinton’s spokesman, Angel Urena, as saying that Epstein visited Clinton at his Harlem office once in 2002, and that Clinton once briefly visited Epstein’s apartment. It’s unclear what apartment that would be. Epstein owns an Upper East Side townhouse that federal prosecutors have said is worth $77 million.

Urena also said that “President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York,” according to Politico.

Chelsea Clinton’s chief of staff, Bari Lurie, told Politico, “It wasn’t until 2015 that Chelsea and Marc became aware of the horrific allegations against Ghislaine Maxwell and hope that all the victims find justice.”

“Chelsea and Marc were friendly with her because of her relationship with a dear friend of theirs. When that relationship ended, Chelsea and Marc’s friendship with her ended as well,” Lurie added.

Politico suggested the “good friend” was Ted Waitt, who made a fortune founding the since-defunct Gateway computer company and with whom Maxwell has been romantically linked.

R525, And just exactly what supporting evidence do you have for your despicable slur of "Catholic mothers"??

R525, And just exactly what supporting evidence do you have for your despicable slur of "Catholic mothers"??

R578, And I have a bridge in Brooklyn....

I, a common citizen, have known of JE for years, and some journalist is trying to sell us a story that a brilliant knowledge-consuming former President who as such still gets briefings from the government didn't know?!

Puh-leeze. Clinton, as with Mnuchin, Ross, Giuliani, Trump, et al., knew of paroled felon JE. They each thought they could use him and GM for their own purposes: illicit sex; money, whether personal or charitable; sumptuous vacations; whatever.

Some relatively innocent; some astonishingly guilty. But don't insult us by claiming their ignorance of who Jeffrey truly was---and is..

Not to put too fine a point on it: The wealthy simply don't care. It is only when they hear the tumbrels.....

I like Clinton, but if he has to go down with this ship of perverts and money launderers, so be it.

To be fair, Rudy perhaps dressed in drag for those parties, and pretended to be a teen harlot.

"Steve Mnuchin and his then-wife Heather, Rudy Giuliani and his then-wife Judith and Wilbur Ross all attended the screening and dinner that followed at the Koch's."

Is there a then-wife club, r573?

R581, Recall reading several online media articles describing an expose on JE several years ago. The book was stopped cold by several well-known publishers despite the author's stellar rep and the quality of what she wrote unless all references to the Clinton's were eliminated. Tales of serious threats of retaliation were relayed against Macmillan in particular. No one wanted to touch this book due to its reveals.

Did the then-wives become "then wives" because of the 'party favors' Rudy and Stevie's 'then friend' Jeffy provided for them 'back then'...?

Did the then-wives become "then wives" because of the 'party favors' Rudy and Stevie's 'then friend' Jeffy provided for them 'back then'...?

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I can’t believe our darling Farkas family is involved in this. Tragic.

swindle...

r584 for wit and wisdom!

R588 And NY society's "then-BFF" Epstein was on a media campaign to refashion himself as a science philanthropist...

[quote]The effort led to the publication of articles describing him as a selfless and forward-thinking philanthropist with an interest in science on websites like Forbes, National Review and HuffPost.

[quote]All three articles have been removed from their sites in recent days, after inquiries from The New York Times.

[quote]The articles in praise of Mr. Epstein came about partly because of an online publishing model adopted by some news organizations that relied on outside contributors who often wrote for little or no pay, with little or no input from editors.

Looks like some news sites got caught out using a "content farm" model.

^ "Disgraced financier" should read "Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein" or "Child Sex Trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein."

He's not even a "financier." He's a child sex trafficker, tier 3 registered sex offender, pedophile and child pornographer. That's what he did for a living and that's what he is. For five decades. Even mainstream news sources are sugarcoating a convicted sex offender / pedophile.

He accumulated massive wealth by engaging in heinous criminal acts and causing harm and trauma to many innocent people, mostly children and their families -- not through legal means and hard work and dedication. When are the headlines going to read "Convicted Pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein" or "Registered Sex Offender, Jeffrey Epstein?"

Will someone more experienced than I, the OP, create a new thread, please?

R594, Pedophilia's a diagnosis, not a crime per se and Epstein doesn't fit the technical definition of pedophilia--a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. His preference seems to be for very young adolescents. "Registered sex offender" makes for a cumbersome lede.

As long as the story's getting coverage, the women are being heard and Epstein continue to stay in jail, I can deal with the variations in the descriptions of Epstein.

And I really, really want to know how he actually made that money.

Just wanted to say I love you OP for making this one and making sure it stayed active.

New thread

New thread

Putting this thread to bed.