BREAKING! Jeffrey Epstein Arrested In New York

i'm surprised.

Wasn't he already arrested for that and given a slap on the wrist, or was that a different charge?

R2:

[quote]had avoided federal charges a decade ago in a widely criticized plea deal.

anyone that rich and connected aint gonna do muchtime...

Hope they snag his buddy creepo alan Dershowitz

Why do billionaires insist on having political affiliations? I assume their donations help with taxes.

oh, shit.

Wow... a shady Jewish person. How did this happen?

r8, asshole

Yeah we know.

I wonder how Prince Andrew is feeling right now.

[quote]avoided federal charges a decade ago in a widely criticized plea deal.

arranged by friend-of-Trump and U.S. Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta

Dershowitz may have to flee to Israel.

I wonder how Trump is feeling right now.

R14 No worse than Bill Clinton.

Bill doesn't matter he was four administrations ago. Trump is now and his Labor secretary negotiated the first plea agreement. More corruption from the most corrupt administration and party ever.

The precise nature of the charges — and how they differ from the previous allegations to which Epstein, now 66, pleaded guilty in 2008 — could not immediately be learned. Epstein attorney Martin Weinberg did not respond to a request for comment late Saturday. A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan, where Epstein is expected to appear in federal court next week, declined to comment.

The latest charges add a significant new wrinkle to the considerable political and legal saga surrounding Epstein. The wealthy financier — who counted among his friends President Trump and former president Bill Clinton — pleaded guilty in 2008 to state charges in Florida of soliciting prostitution in a controversial arrangement that allowed him to resolve far more serious federal allegations of molesting young girl

His case was the subject of an investigation by the Miami Herald, which detailed how then-U. S. Attorney Alex Acosta, now Trump’s labor secretary, shelved a 53-page federal indictment that could have put Epstein behind bars for life. The arrangement is now being investigated by the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility, which is seeking to determine whether the attorneys involved committed “professional misconduct” in bringing about its close.

The person familiar with the matter said the new charges against Epstein are for conduct similar to those that brought about his plea deal. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the specific counts remain under seal.

Attorney Paul Cassell, who represents Epstein victims who argued in federal court that prosecutors broke the law by not informing them about the plea deal, said he was not informed about the arrest.

I hear ya, r16. But he never lets me forget it.

R15 He can still go to jail or have his shenanigans revealed, which would be embarrassing and harm his reputation. It has been documented that he has flown on Epstein's plane, nicknamed the Lolita Express, at least 26 times. You know if Trump gets caught up in this, he will make sure to take the Clintons down as well.

Take the Clintons down then. As long as Trump goes. Bill got to finish his two terms. March Trump out in handcuffs before he can finish his first term.

No powerful men will be charged

The Epstein shit will only hit the fan if there’s a controversial military strike.

Prince Andrew with one of Epstein's girls..

R22, Please explain your comment.

R24, this is a repeat of all the other shenanigans. It’s like a bright shiny turd that distracts us from baby concentration camps and Lead-poisoned children.

Who will be next?

I hope everyone who took advantage of his "services" ends up in prison for life among the general population so they can be shived!

Child-sex creep Woody Allen pals around with fellow child-sex creep . Shocker.

And the "I have no idea who this is" early morning Tweet in 10...9....8.....

Woody was also best friends with Bill Cosby.

I love you, R20, more than words can say.

This is actually huge news. The judge who buried mountains of evidence, and awarded the ludicrously lenient sentence that allowed this monster to roam free, is now Trump's Secretary of Labor, Alex Acosta. The details of his original trial are horrifying. Rachel Maddow has earned a GARGANTUAN "I told you so" for her Monday night show.

The whole thing -- from Epstein's depravity and the celebrity guests at his tween rape parties, to the shady Acosta coverup -- sounds like a sleazy summer drive-in B movie, but all true. I think Acosta arranged to have girls stricken from the witness list, without even informing their parents. A real horror show. Sick sick sick.

Acosta is trash but he's hardly the only person involved in the cover-up. Epstein's people were basically blackmailing almost every important person involved in the legal decisions related to his case. It's unbelievable when you read about what they managed to pull off.

For sure, but the fact that someone who is now a U.S. cabinet secretary was materially involved in that abhorrent deal for Epstein just makes it all the seedier. It was Acosta's recent appointment to the cabinet that put Epstein on my radar, chiefly through Rachel Maddow's coverage.

Also, there have got to be quite a few "important persons" who are talking to their lawyers this evening...

This the long form article from the Miami Herald last November that put all the pieces together and broke quite a bit of new ground. It is a terrific piece of investigative journalism. Harrowing but illuminating.

How's that again, R21?

Don't forget for one minute that William BArr whose father hired Epstein, and who knows him, is overseeing the Department of Justice as attorney General. Don't forget that Alex Acosta is now Trump's Labor Secretary. If this were a state of NEw York operation I'd feel a lot better. The FBI and the SDNY answer to Barr.

He's guilty all right.

Cuomo must be getting ready to pounce with NY State charges.

Please do

Here's my theory...Epstein, Trump, Mar a Lago, that Chinese madame, are all connected. Trump used Epstein and his property to go all Putin on powerful Republicans. Hookers, cameras, etc. I looking at you Ms. Lindsey. Throw Roy Moore into that mix. Probably some Dems in the mix as well. McCain was too straight-laced so he was immune. That's one reason Trump hated him. This has to be unnerving to Trump.

Strait-laced? LOL. McCain was no prude.

Since when is Miss Lindsey into teenage girls?

McCain had a few affairs but with grown women.

Didn't McCain ditch his first wife for the much-younger bimbo who became wife #2?

R45...What? Do you think the sex trade is limited to young girls? How about young boys? This is bigger than just underage girls. Trump probably has hidden cameras all over his hotel rooms. Blackmail baby! He takes his lessons from Vlad.

I bet he "commits suicide" before this comes to trial.

Yeah, people here were insisting Dennis Hastert and Jerry Sandusky would commit suicide, too.

When it all comes down I'll bet the 100% innocent are fewer than the at least somewhat guilty among the powerful in DC. Plus we've barely been discussing Hollywood. It's all connected.

What's the status update on the unusually shaped structure(s) on Epstein's Pedo Island that were conveniently at least partly burned down right before a thorough investigation? Aren't there similar honey pot islands & secret locales with 24/7 surveillance & recorded private filming going on too?

So those Q lunatics are right, only it’s top to bottom Republicunts who are the perverts. Which, who’s kidding who, we already knew that.

What a q lunatic?

Well put

R52, All investigative reporters as well as Pelosi's daughter are saying the sexual crimes cut across party lines and involve many, many elite & powerful men & women.

Recall when Epstein's crimes 1st hit DL there was a link to an author who wrote a biography on Epstein. No publisher would touch it after getting stern and even frightening warnings from DC. Even QE II through diplomatic sources had a part in shutting it down. Not surprised NY head Rebbe would get involved as Mossad has a hand in the shenanigans too.

Let us not forget that Prince Andrew negotiated for months to have him pay off Sarah Ferguson's debts, which he did. Bet this arrest makes the Royal Tea go cold!

"All investigative reporters as well as Pelosi's daughter are saying the sexual crimes cut across party lines and involve many, many elite & powerful men & women."

That's not what Pelosi's daughter said

[quote]That's not what Pelosi's daughter said

What did she say?

[quote]So those Q lunatics are right, only it’s top to bottom Republicunts who are the perverts. Which, who’s kidding who, we already knew that.

No way in hell. It's New York, there are Democrats involved. Bill Clinton is definitely on suicide watch.

[quote] What did she say?

She said a lot of things.

R60 et al, "Quite likely some of our faves are implicated." Obviously she wasn't just referring to Republicans.

[quote]The judge who buried mountains of evidence, and awarded the ludicrously lenient sentence that allowed this monster to roam free, is now Trump's Secretary of Labor, Alex Acosta.

R32 You are wrong. Acosta was the US Attorney in charge, not the judge. While there are many questions about what happened there and I think it should be investigated, I have a feeling that Acosta was acting on orders from above him, to protect powerful men from both parties and from abroad. Rather than him acting corruptly on his own. He was no where near powerful or rich enough, to be on Epstein's radar prior to the arrest.

It is also possible that there was nothing wrong with Acosta's actions, and that he honestly did not believe that there was enough evidence to achieve a conviction in Federal court, and that it was best to leave it to Florida state officials.

Didn't Oprah stay at Mar-a-Lago?

[quote]Woody was also best friends with Bill Cosby.

Please, you and I both know Woody has no black friends.

I will say the one thing that is interesting about tying Trump to Epstein, is an interview that the anarchist website The Conscious Resistance did with Bradley Edwards, who represented several Epstein victims. Edwards states that out of everyone he contacted Trump was the ONLY one who returned his phone call and provided helpful information. There is no doubt that Trump knew and socialized with Epstein, but there has never been clear evidence that he was connected to Epstein's illegal activities.

I'm not saying Trump isn't involved, only that people shouldn't count on it. This case is very narrow in focusing on Epstein's activities from 2002-05. I'm sure several well known people will be exposed. However, I don't care if it takes down Trump or exposes Clinton, my only hope is that finally Epstein will finally face justice.

Why is Pelosi’s daughter involved in this??

R66 She is a journalist.

For R64

Powerful men will broker a further legal deal.

McCain was an active avowed enemy of Vladimir Putin and he was a thorn in Putin's side for years. McCain evensecreted a writer/ political dissident out of Russia for Medical treatment which literally saved the guy's life after he'd been poisoned twice by Putin's agents. His name is Vladimir Kara-Murza. Look it up. He was a pallbearer at McCain's funeral. Who gave the Steele Dossier to the FBI? John McCain. It was given to him by the British former Intel guy, and he passed it on to the FBI. There's a whole lot about McCain we don't now about as far as his foreign affairs intel work. That's why he is loved by foreign Intel services too. Trump's been shitting all over McCain to ingratiate himself with the Russians. Putin didn't want to see McCain become POTUS. If there was anyone he hates more than Hillary, it's McCain.

[quote}What did she say?

She said, "My boy, I think someday

You'll find a way

To make your natural tendencies pay.

You'll be a dentist!"

Damn it! I messed up the formatting at R71.

R68 -- you lost me at "Kathy Griffin".

What names do you recognize?

R70 I've never understood where the idea came from the Putin hated Hillary. Are we supposed to just forget about her "reset" with Russia, or the Uranium One deal? Until Hillary lost the election, I don't remember anyone saying that Putin hated her, anymore than he hates any Western leader.

I don't think Putin cared one way or another who won the 2016 election, his only goal was to make both sides hate each other so much, that it would destroy our confidence in our system and government. That is why in the aftermath of the election, Russian trolls were organizing pro-Trump and anti-Trump rallies in NYC at the same time and location. Putin knows he could never destroy the West with his military, except with Nuclear weapons which would result in him being destroyed as well. So Putin has his trolls work to destroy us from the inside, by manipulating our differences. Why send soldiers when you can get US citizens to do the work for you?

[quote] I bet he "commits suicide" before this comes to trial.

Who, R49? Epstein? And/or, maybe someone else?

Peter Soros is circled in R74's document. Geee .... I wonder what agenda he supports?

R75, you cretin, Putin said so. He blame Hillary for the demonstrations and all the unrest in Russia while she was secretary of state. There was more but uffice to say he also admitted that he preferred Trump and wanted him to win. He said that at a news conference.

Try and be aware, r75. Putin goes off on Hillary. 2011.

Back to Epstein . . .

R78 You cannot take anything that Putin says as true. It is just another part of his campaign to inflame tensions in the US and troll us. That you can't see or understand that, says much more about you than me. Ultimately, I stand behind my position that Putin doesn't really care, one way or another , who leads the US, or other Western nations. He just wants us fight amongst ourselves, which we have fallen for. Yes, he disliked Hillary, but he doesn't really like any Western leader. All he wants to do is project his strength and make himself seem more important than he really is. There is a reason that President Obama considered Russia as a non-entity during the 2012 election, they just are not that powerful anymore. Their only power is the ability to manipulate others, usually based around memories of their former glory.

Alec Baldwin

There are a lot of names in the “little black book.” What that just his Rolodex or was it the people who went to his island? Bill Clinton is not on there btw.

R82 Just being in his book is not enough to consider people of anything criminal, unless you are willing to think Joan and Melissa Rivers were flying to his island to assault children.

Sounds like we'll know more tomorrow.

Keeping my fingers crossed that more than a few cockroaches are revealed.

Trump with Epstein:

r83 And Dr. Oliver Sacks, and Nobel Prize winner Murray Gell-Mann.

R86 Exactly, Joan Rivers name just jumped out at me. His black book is like a person's facebook friend list. I have multiple "friends" on there I don't know how or when we met. I would hate to be held responsible for their behavior.

we aren't friends

hey r86, who own the horsey teeth in hat photo?

Hope Dershowitz is part of the group that runs to nearest cliff

Peste in R76, he knows too much about the rich and powerful to be allowed to name names. - R49

Lol wtf? That was supposed to say Epstein. My phone's been hacked by Russians. -R91

He raped little girls

I don't know him.

Clinton liked young and old fat chicks, not little girls.

whores and pimps

[quote] In the past I've tried to link detailed videos of Pedo Island but just got really dissed for all of my effort.

It still happens, look at R253 and R254. As soon as the R235 photos were shared (which are undeniably relevant), they block and discredit him.

R99, Here's a video of Solomon's Temple, Orgy Island.

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R80, Obama was wrong to consider Russia a non-entity - everything that marked Obama's foreign policy and more had Russia behind it, whether directly or indirectly, from Syria to Ukraine, Assange and Snowden, refugees, ISIS, online culture wars, to interference in the election for his successor and attempts to weaken the US's allies, Putin had his finger on the pie, trying to thwart the US and the West.

Putin hates Hillary because she supported the protesters in Russia - and if there's one thing Putin fears the most it's the Russian people bringing him down. He also feared Hillary would be much tougher on him than the wimp Obama was and that she would seriously try to resolve issues such as Ukraine and Syria, which Obama did the bare minimum about. He also wanted Trump in the White House to lift the sanctions on Russia.

But this thread is about something else.

Trump is a pedophile

[quote] Just being in his book is not enough to consider people of anything criminal, unless you are willing to think Joan and Melissa Rivers were flying to his island to assault children.

I never said it was. But damn he's a fucking scumbag who likes to fuck underage girls. His predilection has been reported about since 2003. Anyone who has had anything to do with him since 2003 is PURE SCUM

Even if just 5% of the people in that little black book are involved, It's SHOCKING. And as someone else mentioned Joan and Melissa. They're garbage. Always have been and Melissa always will be. If Joan were alive, she'd be a BIG trump supporter and she'd be supporting Epstein. If barbara walters wasn't dazed out of her mind and sitting in a shit filled diaper, she'd be defending him too.She's not in his book. But she's rich NY scum. If you are from NY, you know the type. They all stick together. Human garbage

Trump comments on 1-year-old daughter Tiffany’s breasts:

He also says “she’s got Marla’s legs.”

Trump absolutely fucked Epsteins girls, but I think it's likely he fucked his daughters too. He's disgusting

More George Conway Retweeted New York Times Opinion

“In 2000, a porter who worked next door to Epstein’s Manhattan home told a British newspaper, admiringly, ‘I often see Donald Trump and there are loads of models coming and going, mostly at night. It’s amazing.’”

I wonder if these "models" were the kind of models that Melania Trump was....

Any bets if Sarah Ferguson is one of his "friends/associates"? Nah, too easy...

Manhattan DA Cy Vance is dirty as fuck by the look of it. I'm going to need a score card.

Inept?! He is complicit. He should be charged as well

I think Acosta is a pedophile which is why he made sure JE got off lightly. JMO because pedos take care of their own. If it weren't for that JE would have been thrown in prison where he belongs and he would not have had new victims and all of these other children would not have been traumatized. Acosta should be investigated and fired too.

Burn them all. Take them all down. I don't care if it's democrats or republicans

"the Duchess has notoriously faced money issues in the past, and was reportedly up to £5 million in debt at her lowest point, controversially accepting £15,000 from billionaire convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to help clear her debts, which she later vowed to repay."

from the Telegraph, Feb 11, 2016

Fergie probably tried to sell him Beatrice and Eugenia. But even Epstein has standards.

R115 That is pretty heavy dude. Even for DL

As much as I hate Trump, I don't believe Trump is a pedo like JE. You don't just become one overnight...they leave a trail of victims behind with tales...nobody has come forward with anything of this sort. Yes, he loves to grab pussies and maybe even "rape" women but not children.

WOW R74

Bob Weinstein, Liz Hurley, Ivanka Trump, Ivana Trump, Donald Trump, Conrad Black, Fergie (lots of contact numbers listed), as mentioned Alec Baldwin, as well as Dustin Hoffman and John Cleese (are these the old favorites?), Rupert Murdoch! Naomi Campbell etc.

Name I expected but didn't see was Lindsey Lohan (as procurer)

I don't believe Trump did anything with kids sexually, the Dems hated Trump, don't you think they would have used it in the campaign if they had any proof?

Please use your heads. Yes we all hate trump but sadly, he will not be indicted. Also remember Muller said they don't indict sitting presidents. So they ain't going after Trump.

I hope they have something on Andrew. They should also go after Ghislaine Maxwell.

R118 & R120, where have you been?

Trump HAS been accused of raping an underage girl.

I think it's worth it if Clinton has to go to jail and drag Trump in there as well.

Mystery Around Jeffrey Epstein's Fortune and How He Made It

Today, lurid details were splashed across the media as prosecutors detailed the alleged crimes that occurred at Epstein’s homes in Manhattan and Palm Beach, Florida, from 2002 to 2005 involving minors as young as 14 and accused Epstein of “creating a vast network of victims.”

Epstein paid victims hundreds of dollars in cash after sex acts, prosecutors said. They were initially recruited to give Epstein massages, which became increasingly sexual in nature. At least three of Epstein’s employees were involved in recruiting and scheduling minors for sexual encounters with him, as well as other unspecified “associates,” the U.S. said. One was based in New York, while two other assistants based at his mansion in Palm Beach were responsible for scheduling the encounters there and escorting victims to a room in the house, according to the indictment.

Prosecutors are attempting to seize the Manhattan townhouse through forfeiture proceedings, on the grounds that his spacious property was used for the sex trafficking. The townhouse was built in 1932 for Herbert Straus, whose parents owned R.H. Macy & Co. and is said to be one of the largest in Manhattan.

How the hell did he make all his billions? Nobody seems to actually know.

Financier Epstein pleads not guilty to sex trafficking charges involving girls

Epstein will remain in jail until at least July 15, when a judge has scheduled a bail hearing.

Prosecutors have said Epstein should be denied bail, arguing he poses an “extraordinary risk of flight” because of his wealth, private planes and significant international ties.

In 2002, then-businessman Trump praised Epstein in a New York magazine interview.

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump said. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it – Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

A spokesman for Clinton said in a statement: “President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York ... He’s not spoken to Epstein in well over a decade.”

He appears to have been arrested in Teterboro, New Jersey. Eldergays, how did the Feds get him so fast from NJ to NY? I'm looking at The Uniform Criminal Extradition Act and it seems to require a judicial hearing ... none of the reports I have read mention a hearing in NJ.

Does anyone else think there could be literal bodies buried on his island? With the company he keeps...nothing would surprise me.

This is some 70s-level movie shit, starring Tatum O'Neal as the girl who fought back.

To the poster in the other thread who asked about Les Wexner: when I lived in Columbus it seemed to be an open secret that he was gay. He married for the first time at age 55. He hired Epstein to manage his money back in the 80s and then cut ties with him when he first was arrested. I believe it's still up in the air how Epstein actually earned his money, but in his early days he was probably a good money manager, partly due to his social skills. I'm doubting that Les Wexner was actually involved in underage orgies or whatever was going on.

[quote] how did the Feds get him so fast from NJ to NY?

Because they are feds and not state police. You don't extradite people when there are federal charges involved.

The general media “shock” about this is disingenuous at best and abetting at worst. Everyone has known about this for nearly two decades. EVERYONE. Suddenly people are surprised by this? Bullshit.

R130, thanks for the explanation. In the original Vicky Ward VF piece in the early 2000s, he was so OTT in his praise of Epstein. Acted like the guy walked on water. Everyone should go back and read it. She tried to get Epstein's pedo stuff into the article but Grayson Carter nixed it; said it was supposed to be a financial piece. She did detail his dodgy money making schemes, what she could uncover. A lot of big names contacted her, obv at Epstein's urging, to say what a great guy, a brilliant guy he wss.

[quote]Everyone has known about this for nearly two decades.

Yep. Journalist Vicky Ward tried to report on it back in 2003 but Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter pulled the allegations from her article. Yesterday, Ward tweeted:

"For years, Jeffrey Epstein operated in plain sight. He was untouchable. His money and connections bought him the ability to evade justice ... I tried to expose Jeffrey Epstein for what he is and I was silenced. Everyone who knew about Epstein was—silenced by people with more money and power and influence. Now that silence is over. It’s time for the truth to see the light."

Hopefully the truth will see the light, too. We'll get to see just how far money and connections can go to protect billionaires like him.

Here is a link to the 2003 VF article.

Like I've said elsewhere, basically a better looking, more charming, and MUCH more intelligent Trump, grifters both of them.

Disgusting

I do think Trump had a part in molesting Epstein's girls in the early 2000s.

However, I don't think it was necessarily solely because they were very young. I think he liked that they were readily available, had a vagina, most likely did not have std's, and he had power over them. Any girl or young attractive woman who met that criteria were his prey. Especially if they reminded him of Ivanka. He also was best friends with Hugh Hefner and spent a lot of time at the Playboy Mansion. Same situation but just not with minors. He took it where he could get it. He's evil.

Oh, please. Trump and Epstein go back to the mid-80s. Think about what was going on in Trump's world. When did he get in trouble financially? He'd have sold his daughter for a cash bailout. And Trump has a public history of sexualizing young girls. As young as 10 yr olds. The guy had a "modeling agency." He had "networking parties" so his "models" could meet powerful, influential men who could "help their careers." Michael Gross catalogues some of those types of parties in his books about the fashion/modeling industry. Roger Ailes and Trump were bosom buddies. I believe Trump was involved in human trafficking. Period. And I believe he had the goods on people. He was a money launderer and a human trafficker and god knows what else and none of this is a secret. All the pieces are in plain sight.

Trump also admitted (on Howard Stern, I believe) that he used to go into the women's changing rooms when he hosted the Miss USA pageants.

Agree r139. Dump is pure scum. He’s a mob guy pure and simple and sex trafficking is a cornerstone of gangster revenue. He doesn’t have a conscience and he’s wanted to screw his praying mantis faces daughter for years (if he hasn’t already). That modelling agency almost certainly trafficked women and Epstein made all his money off pimping and blackmail. Now let us hope it all comes out. Where’s FCI? What does he say about it all?

I definitely think the hooked up his billionaire friends with "models" from his modelling agency. They were all asking for Hope Hicks phone number!

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"There is also a wall in Epstein's study decorated with photos of director Woody Allen and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia."

Woody Allen? Bwa!!!

The Republicans think this is going to bring down Bill Clinton, but it's going to bring down Trump.

He most certainly has been accused, and they all got buried after payoffs were made.

Anyone else feel like some really weird and even darker shit is going to be revealed before this is over?

Barr just unrecused himself in the Epstein case. Trump must have realized there are probably photos of him with minors in Epstein’s treasure trove of labeled CDs!

Bloomberg: Trump Hasn’t Spoken to Jeffrey Epstein in 10 or 15 Years, Conway Says

It's probably a worldwide white slavery sex ring. Why do you think Trump got into beauty pageants?

The Hill: Schumer will call on Acosta to step down over Epstein

Hey, Trump was already consorting with Russian thugs back then, and trafficking was part of their portfolio. Trump sets up his modeling agency as a way to get the Eastern European girls into the country without work visas, living in "modeling dormitories" etc. This is right out of gangster movie. Anyone here seen Eastern Promises or Equalizer? Shit. In that food chain Trump himself was nothing more than a fucking pimp.

Well it couldn’t have been Schumer that announced that at r151. After all, it’s not a Sunday.

Why am I not surprised Barr has "unrecused" himself? LOL! They are So fucking transparent. They'll make sure Epstein's charges are very narrowly focused and the possibility of implicating others will be "limited." And rest assured there will be immunity deals, and sealed records. If Jeff behaves there will be a pardon in his future too. They will delay and play games with this for a very long time.

Is it possible that part of Epstein's wealth came from delivering sexual fantasies for a high price? Sort of an uber-pimp? If word gets out that you can get what you want from JE and the partners are young and disease-free and the venues are fantastic, then his network could have easily supported his lifestyle, and in turn, funded their own access to what they wanted. If a big money guy wanted in, all he'd have to know is that Clinton or Dersh or Trump or Courtney Love or whomever! was in, and he'd assume discretion was guaranteed. What if in a weird way the pizzagate idiocy grew out of rumors of Epstein's pimping?

NY Mag weighs in with All We Know About the Epstein Case.

I'd say it's more likely that his wealth came from blackmailing the rich and powerful than being a pimp. It's much easier to provide girls and later say, "Oops, looks like she's 15, what would you pay me to keep this on the QT?" He could go for a long time making bank with that particular grift, since the victims aren't exactly going to warn people about what happened to them, because it would out them as having banged underage girls.

And the Pizzagate lunatics actually distracted from the real story here. It was too easy to read about Epstein and think it was just some Q-Anon Pizzagate blah blah blah. It's ridiculous to credit them with anything.

R74 Too many. And more than "recognised." Which kind of grossed me out, given that it makes me two degrees of separation from Epstein thanks to at least a couple of people on that list.

Just because you're in the book doesn't mean you're guilty of fingering or fucking 15 year olds, but it does mean you're guilty of bad judgement - and now, retrospectively, very bad judgement - because many of the people listed have numbers that aren't publically available, meaning the individuals furnished them to Epstein. Why? I bet they're asking themselves that today.

Bill Barr just un-recused himself. Not good. Dammit!

Charles (Charlie) Althorp is on that list, Princess Diana's brother.

[quote]I'd say it's more likely that his wealth came from blackmailing the rich and powerful than being a pimp.

As someone pointed out here yesterday, word of such blackmail would quickly spread and the pipeline of rich and powerful "clients" would quickly dry up for Epstein. Blackmail is a self-limiting business model.

R156 "Delivering sexual fantasies for a high price." Yes. I agree.

He ran a sex slave operation with minor-aged children as the slaves.

TO ADD: Epstein ran this criminal operation like a business and probably had the financial part set up like paying an annual country club membership fee. It's possible that his set-up, where members (pedophiles, hebephiles & other sexual deviants) have unlimited and constant access to girls, or whatever their preference; gold membership, silver membership, etc., different levels of membership with fees in the several hundred thousand per year range. A top membership level may have cost the sex abuser with an "unlimited sex with minors, any time any day" an annual membership fee in the million dollar range which would be chump change to these powerful crooks. That's how I think he had it set up. And there seemed to be no shortage of worldwide predator/members.

Then he also likely had undetectable high-quality cameras installed in all of the rooms and videotaped everything. And not only so he could jerk off to them later, but mostly so he could use them like a weapon to blackmail whomever he wanted to blackmail. Maybe JE had molestation/rape tapes of Acosta along with the judge who presided over the case and that's why they let him off easy when he should have been sentenced to life in prison/death penalty so that there would be no more victims.

I also believe Acosta (and possibly the judge) is a pedophile and since sex abusers tend to stick together he was not going to let one of his own spend life in prison. Acosta went out of his way to save JE from life in prison, something only another sex abuser would go out of his way and do for his buddy, when the evidence was strong and they had a real strong case against JE. A normal person who would never abuse a child would not have wanted him to get off so easy. For these reasons I find I hard to believe that Acosta is NOT a pedophile.

Pedophiles and hebephiles do not typically go against each other or rat each other out, except now in this high-profile case they might. These sickos not only enable each other to sexually abuse, they also provide protection, and in legal matters lie and cover for each other too. That is how they were able to evolve into this mass worldwide operation where no one has been held accountable. I suppose they hate anyone in high places/in power who isn't a member of their sick "club."

Disgusting

R156 I agree as well. And I think some of these people lied to themselves that this was “just” a prostitution racket and not sex-trafficking or child abuse because they got the “consent” of the teenage girls they paid off. (Some “Christian” conservative made a fool of himself on Twitter yesterday replying to Jake Tapper trying to justify why abusing a young teen girl shouldn’t count as pedophilia. The people who harp on these distinctions are usually trying to justify why abusing a 15 year old is ok.) Thankfully the law doesn’t give a shit.

"I also believe Acosta (and possibly the judge) is a pedophile and since sex abusers tend to stick together he was not going to let one of his own spend life in prison."

Pedos, pedos, everwhere!

"I also believe Acosta (and possibly the judge) is a pedophile and since sex abusers tend to stick together he was not going to let one of his own spend life in prison."

Are the millions of stans who defend Michael Jackson, Kevin Spacey, etc. also pedophiles? No, they're just idiotic people who can't get past their own biases.

Acosta tweeted this morning:

The crimes committed by Epstein are horrific, and I am pleased that NY prosecutors are moving forward with a case based on new evidence.

But Vicky Ward ain't having it:

In 2007, the FBI prepared a 53-page indictment of Epstein that was never filed.

Instead, Acosta gave Epstein a sweetheart plea deal without even informing Epstein’s accusers.

He failed these young women.

Don't hide behind "new evidence."

No R166, but they're also not highly educated members of the law profession using their significant power and influence to get an obvious predator off the hook either. So there's that.

-Not R163

There are plenty of other reasons to let a famous guy off the hook besides being a "pedo"

[quote]Then he also likely had undetectable high-quality cameras installed in all of the rooms and videotaped everything.

He must have been doing this kind of thing back in the 1970s when he got that crazy job at Bears Stearn, so I have to wonder what equipment he was using at the time.

Remember who's really behind JE. We're talking Dynacorp and the CIA. The former agency has long been accused of under age trafficking and telling conscientious employees & military personnel in Afghanistan to ignore Bacchi Baza style gang rapes of young boys.

Here we go again with the conspiracy theories...

Barr un -recused? Here's my conspiracy theory: Trumpy got a phone call from Epstein's lawyer. Make this go away or there's trouble for you. Trumpy immediately got Barr on the phone. This is what Epstein's blackmail was designed to do. And Barr's only reason for living is to make Republican scandals disappear in the night. It's a match made in Trump heaven.

R127 R131 "the UCEA applies only between states which have adopted the act and does not regulate extradition proceedings between a state and federal authorities. Extraditions between the states and the federal government are governed by the principles of comity [Ponzi v. Fessenden, 258 U.S. 254 (U.S. 1922)]."

Does anyone know how "the principles of comity" are in fact exercised in an extradition between NJ and the federal government? Do the Feds just turn up at the NJ airport with their warrant, grab Epstein and bundle him across to NY or do they have to stop somewhere in NJ (eg judge's house; governor's beach house - it was the weekend) as a matter of courtesy before taking Epstein out of NJ?

The principles of comity appear to include reciprocation. How would NJ effect the extradition of a person within federal govt jurisdiction into NJ - were such an unlikely scenario to arise, I imagine the feds would be furious? The other way around, we have not heard even a peep from NJ [I know Epstein is a sleaze, but still - are these matters all cleared in advance between high officials, elected or unelected?].

DL lawyers: tell us what you know, please!

Trump didn’t need to wait for Epstein's attorney to tell him there’d be trouble. He just heard about Epstein’s pics labeled [girl's name] with [man's name], and he knew he’d was fucked. (No pun.)

[quote]We're talking Dynacorp and the CIA. The former agency has long been accused of under age trafficking and telling conscientious employees & military personnel in Afghanistan to ignore Bacchi Baza style gang rapes of young boys.

Dynacorp did all that?

Hmmm.... Alex Acosta has been and is still currently serving as Trump's Secretary of Labor where he oversees the nation's human trafficking laws.

He looks like a befuddled turtle about to peck its way out of its shell.

R177: The irony, Lord, the irony.

Might as well start packing your cardboard boxes, Grifters: 'Bye donald; 'bye Melanea; 'bye Uday; 'bye Qusay; 'bye Jarvanka; 'bye Tiffany; 'bye KellyAnn; 'bye Stephen...

Americans are ignoring the Prince Andrew angle. There are pictures of him on the island, pictures of him with one of the girls and the madam, and pictures of Andrew and Epstein. But what pressure did the Royal Family apply to get the whole case sealed? Is the British media reporting on this now?

R180 No the British media don't seem to be interested. There was a huge alleged paedophile scandal a few years back which turned out to be fabricated (a deceased former prime minister had allegedly been one of the perps) so there is not much appetite for more of the same I suppose.

North American Man/Boy Love Association is still going strong!

^ Are you talking about the Ted Heath saga?

My guess is that the Brits begged Bush 2 via the CIA to tell Acosta to lay off because Randy Andy was involved.

Presumably R181 is referring to former PM Ted Heath. Are you saying that’s been shown to be false? Are we to believe that of the revelations (Dolphin Square, Jimmy Saville, the kids in care who were blown off by the police) were w/o merit or covered up?

Epstein's accomplices...

[quote] I think it's worth it if Clinton has to go to jail and drag Trump in there as well.

What the fuck kind of comment is that R122? You think it's worth it? SHAME ON YOU. If Clinton's guilty he DESERVES to go to jail. If Trump is guilty he DESERVES To go to jail. You should want every single person who is involved in this to go to jail, no matter what political party they belong to

You want to excuse Bill, but you'd be okay with him going down as long as he brings trump down. You are trash

Calm down. The point is, all criminals should be brought to justice, regardless of political affiliation.

r186 is a Trumpster pretending to be outraged.

R183 R184 Operation Midland: "An inquiry found that those investigated by police were victims of false allegations and the Metropolitan Police Commissioner subsequently apologised to them."

Some of Epstein's victims who aged out of his sex trafficking scheme, whom he feared would eventually talk and not accept a payout in exchange for silence, might have been murdered. He could easily have had them murdered on his private island and threw them overboard in the ocean to dispose of the bodies that would never be recovered. Although it would be hard to prove, Epstein may also be guilty of murder. Wouldn't surprise me. He obviously has zero conscience.

R190 It was falsely reported in France that a deceased former British prime minister, a champion yacht captain, used to fuck little boys on his boat then murder them and throw their corpses overboard. Frankly, some people have lurid imaginations.

r190, puhlease, he may be a terrible human being but you can be a terrible human being without killing anyone.

If Epshite were a murderer no doubt the indictment would have said so.

[quote] Among the bizarre interior oddities is the mural on the second floor that Epstein commissioned that shows him in the middle of a prison scene and surrounded by barbed wire, guards and a guard station.

[quote]R. Couri Hay, a public relations specialist who was invited to Epstein's home and viewed the mural just three months ago, recalled the billionaire saying: 'That's me, and I had this painted because there is always the possibility that could be me again'.

Even Epstein knows he's guilty of egregious crimes. It's on Acosta that he's been allowed to continue victimizing people for another 10+ years.

r190 wandered over from CDAN apparently.

Acosta says he had flakey witnesses, shit evidence and got the best deal he could. It seems the witnesses were being intimidated ... hopefully there'll be no repeat.

I'm keeping R74's list just to remind myself of the many, many well-known names on that list, several who have obviously supplied multiple phone numbers. This guy had access to the White House too, all there.

R74 R197 Richard Branson is on that list.

no matter what I think Epstein is a dead man walking. Now that they know he is ready to turn on a dime he's finished. What we can hope for is that info comes out before anything happens to him.

R190, how old do you have to be to age out to these people? Eighteen? Twenties? I would think a lot of those girls have no real family and no place better to go, especially if they’ve been hooking instead of going to school. Some may be runaways with bad situations at home and nothing to fall back on.

So what’s next for them? Work on the street as an adult?

r200 sometimes they marry people like Trump. didn't someone say Trump met Melania thru Epstein?

Reuters: Trump backs U.S. Labor chief Acosta, says will look into matter amid Epstein case

[R163] If this is true, what do his tax returns look like? I still don’t understand what his legitimate business is supposed to be and how he sets it up to cover for this operation.

R161 where is the list?

The list is at R74 (or it was there).

Simon and Santa Sebag Montefiore are on R74's list. So is Maria Shriver.

From R185's link, on the Trump transition team's vetting of Acosta:

[quote]Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta.

Unbelievable. They all need to get flushed out.

Koo Stark is on the list. She was Prince Andrew's girlfriend caught blowing him in the Fuckingham Palace kitchens.

Ivana and Ivanka are both on the list. Not DJT though.

Ethel Kennedy is on the list. Michael Jackson too.

Eli Wiesel and Barbara Walters are on the list too.

Trump is most definitely on the list ( "black book") r209. He has a whole page to himself. Melania is misspelled 'Milania'.

Barbara was one of "the girls", r211.

Alec Baldwin, Ralph Fiennes, George Hamilton, Dustin Hoffman, Lauren Hutton.

A lot of people associated with Formula 1 racing.

Minnie Driver

Also a lot of Kennedys.

And DAVID KOCH. Maybe this will ruin those pieces of shit.

Simon LeBon

At this point, with all that is known, Acosta should not be in charge of our country's human trafficking laws and should be terminated immediately.

[QUOTE] Elie Wiesel

He deserves some pleasure after his experiences

Is Bryan Singer there?

No Bryan Singer.

Eddie Lampert

Chris Tucker

Dr. Ruth

Other than the guy who described the interior of the house, have any rich or prominent people come forward to be like “yeah he invited me to a party and this weird shit happened”? Some of the people he tried to suck up to must have sensed he was a bad guy, no?

[quote] Some of the people he tried to suck up to must have sensed he was a bad guy, no?

Yeah, DJT said Epshite enjoys his private life with younger women.

The ex-President of Colombia

But of course this will not stick to Trump. What ever does?

I don’t care about political affiliation (these monsters certainly don’t). Politics is just another game to these people. They have no morals, and they have no true beliefs. The only thing they believe in and can understand others believing in is power.

Billionaires, presidents, princes, heiresses: like I give a fuck. I.Don’t.Care.

Everyone who has committed these crimes against vulnerable children should go to prison.

I don’t care about political affiliation (these monsters certainly don’t). Politics is just another game to these people. They have no morals, and they have no true beliefs. The only thing they believe in and can understand others believing in is power.

Billionaires, presidents, princes, heiresses: like I give a fuck. I.Don’t.Care.

Everyone who has committed these crimes against vulnerable children should go to prison.

Why won't Barr just go away, can't anyone do anything to stop these perverted creeps and their crooked henchmen?

And we wonder where the detained immigrant children are? 5800 cases of sexual abuse to migrants last year, that we know of. It's not just Betsy DeVos and her religious freaks selling these children. Count on it.

R232, Would there be a connection between NXVIM and Eptein? Both are accused of trafficking children from other countries where there's a history of economic turmoil.

As usual Trump stands by the perverts who are just like him. He announced today that he thinks Acosta is doing a good job and has no plans to let him go. Since that is Trumps call, it looks like Acosta isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He said Acosta has been treated terribly, and very unfairly, as he was pressured to go easy on Epstein. What a load of crap. Worst president ever.

In other news, Trump has denied having any contact with Jeff Epstein for the past 10 or more years due to a falling out. But I remember seeing photos of him after it was known that JE was a sex offender and when he made the comment about "Jeff is a great guy." Not the same quote floating around upthread.

I remember Trump saying during his campaign or shortly after the inauguration that he was best buddies with Jeff Epstein. I also remember thinking 'you just told the world that you think Jeff, a sex offender, is a great guy and also that you are best buddies with a sex offender, asshole.'

I went to look for that statement knowing it would have the date attached to it, which I think was 2015/2016, but it has been scrubbed from the internet. As I said, it's not the same statement he made about Jeff Epstein that has already been quoted here on this thread and on the other JE thread.

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Well, if the DM have taken agin him, he's a cooked goose.

What's the real connection of this NY marriage broker to the stars with Russian "models" and JE?

What's the real connection between the NY based marriage broker to the stars and JE? Note that he set up C. Reynaldo with Irina Shaynk.

^ ^ FYI, When Trump was dating Melania, early in their relationship, word starting getting out about them. So he quickly made up a story about him and Melania meeting at a NYC fashion event, which was a lie that she went along with. They planned to go alone to the upcoming event and meet there and make it look like they had just met for the first time when they had been secretly dating for a few weeks and things were getting serious. Trump even had a date with him (a European model) for extra good measure (that he supposedly ditched when he saw Melania) so no one would catch on and so his story was believable. He was introduced to Melania either through Epstein or some other overseas mail-order bride connection he had. They did not meet for the first time at a NYC fashion show event. That story is made up. They are both liars.

Sorry, OP, off topic. Now back to the thread topic.

"Note that he set up C. Reynaldo with Irina Shaynk."

Juicy!

Close-up pictures (on Twitter account of unknown person) of Pedo Island proving underground entrances. What's with the Sundial?

The Trump's built their fortune on prostitution.

R240, More info re the matchmaker & associate of JE.

Whoever said arms dealing and sex trafficking has the right of it. Throw in drug running and you have a trifecta of sleaze.

I'll even throw in a side of money laundering and tax evasion just 'cause.

But this creeper didn't do it Al be. Oh, no. He had plenty of help and numerous benefactors. Smells like a conspiracy to me.

So does your spelling r244.

R244, Join me (original claimer of links to international arms dealing ie A Khashoggi) with being accused of being a conspiracy theorist.

Recall the online articles I originally read on JE from sources similar to The Daily Beast. Mexican cartel heads were regularly hosted on Pedo Island. So were many diametrically opposed to US foreign policy and in secret and not so secret armed conflict with America. Supposedly US intelligence sources wanted info gleaned from reports of their young companions of either sex. as well as videotaped recordings.

*alone

R246, Is Hillary the secret leader of the Cabal, the Deep State, and the Pizza Pedo Ring?

How are her ankle, neck and chest monitors? Shouldn't they be keeping her from flying all over the world?

R240, Shaynk started out as an escort masquerading as a model. She was a very attractive girl born to a poor family. One of her patrons was the hideous Sep Blatter.

Back again updating the first paragraph of my R234 post.

Jaime Nawaday, US Attorney for SDNY, was just interviewed on Ari's show. She said that Acosta had tried to prevent the latest JE investigation from taking place and that he had also prevented the witnesses from speaking up. She said Acosta was not pressured to offer JE a sweetheart deal as he and Trump claim, but rather that he agreed and went along with the deal.

She also said that Acosta had clearly gone out of his way to prevent further investigation because what is happening right now with JE is exactly what Acosta did not want to happen and tried to avoid. So Trump has been has been protecting Acosta, and I am sure that works both ways.

Acosta and Trump, cut from the same cloth. Same for Epstein and Barr.

R250, When Acosta was 1st announced as a Trump Cabinet Member there was a very negative response all across right wing sites due to his associations with Epstein and his extremely lenient legal rulings.

I guess I shouldn’t expect more from trump, but most people would be fired due to the mere appearance of impropriety and the stink that brings to the White House.

Remember when President Clinton fired Dick Morris for what, by today’s standards anyway, was nothing?

[quote]I believe Trump was involved in human trafficking.

He probably still is - via caging children at the border, and shipping them to who knows where with who knows who, and having who knows what done to them.

How old were the girls... like 15 & 16?

R251 Yes, and the talking news heads are constantly saying they can't figure out why Acosta would do this. One of his guests said she has been wondering about this, why Acosta is protecting JE, for a long time and even going out of his way to do so. They were all agreeing that it made absolutely no sense since it makes him look bad.

Pedophiles not only enable each other, they stand by each other. They stick together. They lie and cover up for each other too. I think Acosta is a pedophile who may have also been involved in the sex trafficking -- both are my opinion. But enabling and lying/protecting each other are not my opinions, they are fact.

I just answered their question or solved their mystery and what I can't figure out is how they can be journalists and not see this. There is no head scratching mystery. IMO, Acosta is a pedophile -- and FACT pedophiles protect each other. And maybe JE has videos of Acosta he used as blackmail, so there's that possibility too.

R254 As young as 13. Most were 14 and 15 year olds.

The majority of hebephiles prefer children/virgins, ages 12 -15.

R241 I am not familiar with this source so I am not sure of the accuracy or credibility. But thought you might be interested.

Can we call them “Diddlers”?

Donald the Diddler has a nice ring to it.

Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.

“Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him.

The filing is dated April 2011, well before Trump ascended to the presidency.

The same filing also cites an underage Jane Doe’s allegation that Epstein’s girlfriend-turned-pal Ghislane Maxwell recruited her at Mar-a-Lago to be the couple’s “sex slave.”

Trump has previously praised Epstein as a “terrific guy” and, according to the filing, Epstein once welcomed Trump aboard his private plane, hosted him in his Palm Beach home and had 14 phone numbers for Trump in a computer directory.

But the president on Tuesday distanced himself from the freshly arrested, convicted pedophile.

“I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him,” Trump told reporters at the White House of Epstein during an appearance with Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani. “I had a falling out a long time ago, I’d say maybe 15 years.

“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.”

Messages left for Edwards, as well as Epstein’s criminal lawyer, Reid Weingarten, were not immediately returned.

R254. JE wanted girls as young as possible, with aged 23 being rejected as way too old. Girls were 13 - 17.

When they were asked by his private chef what they wanted to eat many said, "cereal and milk." No way JE didn't know their real ages.

Epstein manages a hedge fund based in the U.S. Virgin Islands

Yashar Ali:

Over the past few days I’ve spoken to seven prominent money managers, three of whom are billionaires, and asked them if they have any idea how Epstein made money or who his clients are

All of them said they had no idea and have never been able to figure out the answers.

Epstein claims to only take clients who are willing to hand over a billion or more and give him total control. He says he has multiple clients. The world of people who manage that much for individuals is quite small. For seven prominent NYC money managers to say they don’t know and have never know how he makes his money or who his clients are is noteworthy.

[But] No amount of trafficking gets you two jets, multiple homes, thousands of acres in New Mexico, and an island in the Caribbean. Plus super wealthy men have much cheaper/less high profile ways to find girls and young women to rape.

Article on the obscurity of Epstein's wealth and its sources (apologies if someone already linked to it).

he got rich via insider trading...

Personally, the financial side of it is more interesting than the OMG HUMAN TRAFFICKING SEX IN THE VAGINA hysterics.

Trump didn't ban Epstein from Mar-a-Lago until April 2011. It was well know * long before April 2011 * when Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago that Epstein was a pedophile / sex abuser/child trafficker. Yet Trump was still openly friends with this trash pos, even though that information was out there long before he finally barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago.

However they slice it or spin it, Trump was friends with a known Tier 3 level registered sex offender / pedophile.

Self-serving Trump also didn't want to lose any high-end customers who shell out big bucks to join Mar-a-Lago resort club. He didn't care about the girls being assaulted. He was protecting his income / business and didn't want to upset his members once word got out about the assault.

Alexander Acosta would not let the FBI continue with its investigation. He interfered every inch of the way, defending and protecting an evil monster, Epstein. He's full of shit and so is Trump stating that he was left with no choice but to offer a sweetheart deal to Epstein. As a result of Acosta basically letting Epstein go free, there were many more victims and all combined over 100 girls (14-17) and young women (18-21) were assaulted by Epstein. I would say that Acosta has that on his conscience but then he has no conscience = psychopath.

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"Personally, the financial side of it is more interesting than the OMG HUMAN TRAFFICKING SEX IN THE VAGINA hysterics."

Being disgusted by the rape of children is not "hysterics."

R268 The pimp also allegedly participated in threesomes with some of the girls so she will have to co-operate. In regards to Naomi Campbell being mentioned as being on the flight manifest that doesn't surprise me. Naomi has had rumors for years. She was accused by an actress of trying to pimp her out to Weinstein. All unsubstantiated though so who knows.

"Shaynk started out as an escort masquerading as a model. She was a very attractive girl born to a poor family. One of her patrons was the hideous Sep Blatter."

Sounds a lot like.....Melania.

So the Trumps knew it was coming and plotted revenge.

It seems obvious that Epstein blackmailed a lot of super wealthy men for "Seed money" for his insider trading business - probably with videotapes of their sexual shenanigans. However, that will be very difficult to prove, and of course, NONE of them are going to ever come forward to admit that.

It's fucking bizarre how the MAGA folks are all over this thing, as it's a well known narrative in their conspiracy circles for years, and they're all about busting these satanic, child-fucking monsters... and yet they mostly are all die-hard Republican, religious conservative, MAGA types that love Trump...

Amazing friends Jeffrey had there... They won't be touched, I guess.

I don't know how credible this person is but I'm putting it out there.

Interesting R276.

There is a certain type hanging around the edges of this scene and Naomi Campbell is of that type, i.e. a woman known only for her looks and clinging to celebrity, desperate to maintain a lifestyle. Or someone like Sarah Ferguson who lives lavishishly and is always in need of more money. They feed off the debauched wealthy. I would imagine they become collateral in a legal take-down?

Could it be possible that information from Cohen's papers or Mueller's report involved Epstein?

That could explain why the civil division of the Feds arrested Epstein.....

Also there's an interesting sentence held within the indictment: the effect of which states Epstein's arrest had been planned for some time, but had to be timed accordingly, given his means (risk of flight) and international travel.

Also, there's a thread here on DL from the end of June regarding a "DC rumour". The poster claimed they did not know what exactly was involved, but had a source that stated something was coming down the pike. Following Epstein's arrest, the source confirmed this was what was in the works. The poster now states that more (unknown exactly what) is to come forth; but Barr's nonrecusal has everyone STUNNED and put a wrench in the system.

Lastly, what's the source of Epstein's $? Lincoln's Bible on Twitter has been following Epstein for some time (years) and hypothesises that there are mob and $ laundering ties which deeply involve Trump.

[quote]No amount of trafficking gets you two jets, multiple homes, thousands of acres in New Mexico, and an island in the Caribbean. Plus super wealthy men have much cheaper/less high profile ways to find girls and young women to rape.

Exactly.

I understand why people think Epstein procured and then videotaped his way into billions, but you don't get that far being a pimp. He had ways of keeping people quiet, which is why I think he tricked people into various crimes, because they couldn't go warning their friends about Epstein without outing themselves as major criminals.

Naomi Campbell is a whore. 99% of models are. And who the fuck wants to even go near her used up hole? she's fucked all of holywood and all the rich men. she probably has herpes.

I guarantee he will be suicided before he brings a Clinton down.

^ha ha. Reminds me of Alec Baldwin's character in Blue Jasmin. Love the way Cate described it.

He will not kill himself. Doubt he's the type.

R276, Why would anyone go more than once to a party where unwanted sexual activity was demanded? Didn't she realize she was being paid for a specific reason?

Yes all of the men at the party were disgusting. Adult men seeking out virginal young teens when they have daughters that same age? Did Trump try to seduce any of Ivanka's friends?

Makes you wish Mayor Pete could be POTUS as he obviously wouldn't have a history of raping young girls.

This may be elementary for some, but could someone explain the significance of Barr's non-recusal (or recusal in the first place)? I'm not finding it spelled out in news articles. Why would the Attorney General recuse himself in Epstein's case, and from exactly what?

Trump hosted an exclusive party with Jeffrey Epstein at his Mar-a-Lago estate, a new report claims. It was just the 2 of them and '28 girls'

[quote]Yes, and the talking news heads are constantly saying they can't figure out why Acosta would do this. One of his guests said she has been wondering about this, why Acosta is protecting JE, for a long time and even going out of his way to do so. They were all agreeing that it made absolutely no sense since it makes him look bad. Pedophiles not only enable each other, they stand by each other. They stick together. They lie and cover up for each other too. I think Acosta is a pedophile who may have also been involved in the sex trafficking -- both are my opinion. But enabling and lying/protecting each other are not my opinions, they are fact.

Oh please, Acosta isn’t a pedo. Epstein, like Whitey Bulger, got the deal he got because he was/is a Fed informant. Acosta admitted as much during his confirmation for the cabinet, that Epstein was part of “intelligence” and he was told to back off.

Guys like Epstein are always double or triple crossing people, keeping their plates spinning, always trying to find an out: it’s the way of the rat.

I predict Acosta will be OUT as Secretary of Labor by end of day on Thursday.

Here is a question that no one seems to be asking: Why was Acosta chosen as Secretary of Labor in the first place? Trump said in an interview yesterday that he didn't know him until he was chosen as Secretary of Labor. His background is basically as an attorney and Dean of a law school. It doesn't scream "I should be Secretary of Labor." Interesting choice since he had no relationship with Trump or the Trump Campaign prior to his appointment. Other cabinet secretaries made sense like Elaine Cho, Ben Carson, Rick Perry, Betsy DeVos but Tillerson and Acosta always seemed strange to me - like there was a reason they were chosesn that only a few people understood. I think Tillerson was a Russian choice. Not certain who Trump was appeasing with Acosta's appointment.

"Alexander Acosta, the US labor secretary under fire for having granted Jeffrey Epstein immunity from federal prosecution in 2008, after the billionaire was investigated for having run a child sex trafficking ring, is proposing 80% funding cuts for the government agency that combats child sex trafficking.

The bureau’s budget would fall from $68m last year to just $18.5m. The proposed reduction is so drastic that experts say it would effectively kill off many federal efforts to curb sex trafficking and put the lives of large numbers of children at risk."

Disgusting

R280, it’s been rumored that Campbell is a procurer, the logical next step for an ex-whore with celebrity connections.

He raped a girl when she was 15.

Jennifer Araoz was a fresh-faced 14-year-old when she was recruited to become part of Epstein’s harem of underage victims, she told NBC News.

What started off as mostly nude massages escalated into rape, she said.

“He raped me, forcefully raped me,” Araoz, now 32, told the network. “He knew exactly what he was doing.”

Araoz’s nightmare began in 2001, when a woman in her 20s approached her outside her high school, The Talent Unlimited, on the Upper East Side and chatted her up about her upbringing, her family and their finances.

“I was kind of a lost kid and she sensed it,” Araoz said.

Soon, the woman introduced the teen to Epstein at his East 71st Street townhouse, where she opened up to the much older financier about wanting to become a Broadway actress and how her dad had died of AIDS when she was 12.

Epstein told her that the teen “very lucky to have met somebody like him” and “that he could really help me,” she recalled.

One day, Epstein took Araoz on a tour of his $77 million home — leading her to what he called his “favorite room in the house,” she recalled.

It was the massage room — equipped with a table on the floor and a photo of a nude woman on the wall.

For a year, Araoz said, she was brainwashed into giving Epstein massages while wearing only her underwear. He would masturbate until he finished — and then leave her $300.

But in 2002, Araoz claimed, Epstein told her to remove her underwear because he wanted to “try something a little bit different.”

“Why don’t you do the massage on top of me?” he asked, before raping her.

“It was very aggressive, it was forceful,” she recalled. “I was terrified, and I was telling him to stop. ‘Please stop.'”

She said she never returned to his home after that day — but that the trauma of her last encounter with Epstein took a toll on her. She dropped out of school to avoid going to his neighborhood and suffered from anxiety and panic attacks.

“I kind of hated myself for it,” Araoz said. “I was like, ‘I’m stupid, I should have known better. I’m a bad kid.'”

“I basically just tried to forget about it and live my life,” she said.

Asked why she never went to authorities, Araoz said she was scared.

“I was so young that I was worried that somehow I would get in trouble,” she said. “I was really frightened of Epstein. He knew a lot of powerful people and I didn’t know what he could do to me, and I wasn’t sure that anyone could protect me.”

Epstein’s lawyers didn’t return messages from NBC News seeking comment about Araoz’s account.

The 66-year-old is charged with sexually abusing underage girls at his homes in New York and Florida in the early 2000s.

In 2008, Epstein dodged federal charges as part of a sweetheart deal he struck with prosecutors in Florida that allowed him to plead guilty to two counts of soliciting prostitution, one involving a minor, in exchange for an 18-month sentence. He wound up serving 15 months.

Araoz said she hopes Epstein, who faces a maximum of 45 years behind bars, spends the rest of his life in prison.

“He shouldn’t be on the streets anymore, period,” she said.

The girl got 300 bucks per massage and she went to his house for 1 year! That's a lot for a 14, 15 yr old.

Dershitwitz loves to flap his gums about defending Epstein but now, everytime he gets asked about it he also gets asked about caovorting with Epstein's sex slave, Virginia Roberts Giuffre.

[quote]Dershowitz also addressed accusations from one of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who claims Dershowitz was part of Epstein's alleged sex trafficking operation. Dershowitz vehemently denies Giuffre's allegations and says he has proof Guiffre is lying. Guiffre is suing him for defamation.

[quote]"The same woman that accused me claimed to have had dinner with Bill Clinton and two underage girls on Jeffrey Epstein's island, claimed to have met Al Gore and Tipper Gore. Secret Service records show that all of that is fantasy and made up. This is a woman with a long, long record of lying for money," Dershowitz said.

[quote]Overnight, Giuffre filed opposition papers disputing Dershowitz's motion to dismiss her lawsuit. Her lawyers say Dershowitz is intentionally lying about Giuffre in an attempt to discredit her and "intimidate her into silence."

"I predict Acosta will be OUT as Secretary of Labor by end of day on Thursday."

Isn't that always what happens, R289, after Trump says what a great job you're doing?

"He's been just an excellent secretary of labor," Trump said, before suggesting that multiple officials, in addition to Acosta, were responsible for how the 2008 case turned out — and that they probably "would wish they'd maybe done it a different way. I do hear there were a lot of people involved in that decision, not just him," he said. "You’re talking about a long time ago. And again it was a decision made, I think, not by him but by a lot of people."

"Trump added that he felt “very badly” for Acosta."

But apparently DJT has nothing to say about the children Epstein assaulted and Acosta, effectively, let him walk.

I'll be surprised if Acosta lasts until tomorrow.

Acosta will be giving a press conference to answer questions at 2 PM (not to resign). I expect some sort of Kavanaugh Hulk performance purely aimed at POTUS.

R298, in my fantasies, I imagine Acosta giving up everyone, including Dump. I can dream, can’t I?

Donald Barr, William Barr's father, gave Epstein access to young girls when he hired him for the Dalton School. Was Barr's dad a pedo/enabler? Blackmailed?

Donald Barr was let go by the school's trustees and his tenure investigated a year or so later. What was the conclusion of that investigation?

Did Barr unrecuse himself to protect not just Trump (who is a credible rapist/child molestor) but his father as well?

I believe many higher than Acosta put the pressure on him for that miscarriage of justice. The man is not a fool, he had to know this would come back and bite him, big time. This is no time for him to go quietly.

What's interesting in this case is that there are at least two other people indicted along side Epstein. Apparently, they were part of his "business" and worked at procurement of the young girls. They too have the ability to cooperate and rat everyone out including Epstein and his friends in high places.

R300 I'd say it's time for another Special Counsel to investigate the Attorney General, no?

Do I think Barr will appoint one? No.

Pelosi has the right idea. Stop talking (or responding) to him because he's demonstrably lied under oath, hold him in contempt of Congress, and miss no opportunity to point out how corrupt he is.

There is no way that the DOJ Ethics commission cleared Barr to work on this case - not with his father having a relationship with Epstein. Barr is committing the ultimate act of treason for the Trump administration.

Did Acosta come from wealthy background or poor? I wouldn't be surprised if JE deposited money in an off shore account for him.

Ha you Acosta defenders are laughable. Spitting out the party line that he was pressured to make a deal. Just stop. No one believes you. Blocked.

"Trump hosted an exclusive party with Jeffrey Epstein at his Mar-a-Lago estate, a new report claims. It was just the 2 of them and '28 girls'"

I'm sure Trump and Epstein treated those girls with the utmost dignity and respect, right?

I was the poster who said that the Brit's asked the Bush administration to cover it up. That could be true.

I'm the poster who said I remembered that the Bush's got involved in the case and asked it to be covered up - because of a request from Britain. (Prince Andrew's involvement) I wish we could go back in DL's archives - cause I think I read about it here! Not sure. But I remember it. Jeb Bush was Governor.

Get this -

Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers … "Epstein belonged to intelligence"

I was the poster who said that the Brit's asked the Bush administration to cover it up. That could be true.

I'm the poster who said I remembered that the Bush's got involved in the case and asked it to be covered up - because of a request from Britain. (Prince Andrew's involvement) I wish we could go back in DL's archives - cause I think I read about it here! Not sure. But I remember it. Jeb Bush was Governor.

Get this -

Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers … "Epstein belonged to intelligence"

[quote] I was the poster who said that the Brit's asked the Bush administration to cover it up... I'm the poster who said I remembered that the Bush's got involved in the case...

You're the poster who doesn't know how to use apostrophes.

It has been posited that Epstein cast a wide net and was very social --mixing pretty girls with the rich and powerful in hopes of ensnaring a few who got handsy, and then extorting them. He procured as much as he was procured for in this sordid tale.

It is not inconceivable he ensnared a few people powerful enough for it to become "an intelligence issue."

Like a Russian intelligence issue

It is difficult to believe Epstein is part of intelligence given that it looks like he handled everything he did very poorly.

If he is intelligence he was shit at his job.

R304 Ethics would have said something along the lines of “there is no conflict here in legal terms, but your father’s relationship in the story could create an appearance of impropriety” which is something DOJ tries to be careful about. They would not have recommended recusal just because of that connection—it was long ago, it doesn’t relate to the evidence that has been uncovered in this particular case, his father has no current financial or legal relationship with Epstein—he probably isn’t alive anymore? But lots of times recusal occurs because the public needs to have confidence in public officials, and even in the absence of an actual conflict, the appearance of one creates problems. But they are also careful not to over-recuse, because there might come a time in the future when that would lead to too many recusals.

Any pics or details about Epstein's supposedly deformed penis?

I don’t want Cy Vance to get lost in this shuffle. He needs the spotlight on his misbehavior as well.

Curiouser and curiouser. "Famed educator and legal scholar" - and Clinton investigation Special Counsel - "Ken Starr led a forum last week at the National Press Club to inspire faith-based instruction — and then was asked to describe why he had helped billionaire Jeffrey Epstein avoid serious prison time in 2008 on allegations Epstein had molested dozens of underage girls. (Must have been embarrassing to juxtapose the two topics, no?)

The president and chancellor of Baylor University, responding to a question after the close of a forum he led Feb. 4 on “The Calling of Faith-based Universities,” told me he was “very happy” to help serve a client of his former law firm, Chicago-based Kirkland & Ellis." (Apparently not embarrassing at all!)

Why would all these Republicans be so interested in seeing that justice wasn't well-served in the case of Jeffrey Epstein the first time he was tried back in 2008?

There's no date on the story, but it can't be recent. Starr was forced out of the presidency of Baylor in May of 2016 when the Baylor Board of Regents fired him amid the sexual assault scandal involving the Bears football team, The Regents believed the blame for the school’s failure in handling rape and sexual assault reports fell on Starr. (That must have been embarrassing, no? Or are these people just plain fucking shameless?)

No idea about the leanings or legitimacy of reportage found at justice integrity dot org, either, but they have a lot to say about some of the connections in the Acosta-Epstein case.

That perv is no more a spook than I am. It was a threat. Just like everything else from these types. And Acosta was a coward, period.

Had the dude been IC, the FBI certainly would have let him know but they didn't. And I hey we're stunned when this idiot let the pervert walk because they knew what he had been doing. They had 53 pages of evidence against the guy yet Acosta lets him walk?

Nope. Acosta was either paid off or blackmailed.

That perv is no more a spook than I am. It was a threat. Just like everything else from these types. And Acosta was a coward, period.

Had the dude been IC, the FBI certainly would have let him know but they didn't. And I hey we're stunned when this idiot let the pervert walk because they knew what he had been doing. They had 53 pages of evidence against the guy yet Acosta lets him walk?

Nope. Acosta was either paid off or blackmailed.

Tin-foil hat time: I cannot locate a copy of the 53-page federal indictment from June 2007. It used to be available online, I know this because I read it at the time. There were all sorts of juicy details and many description from witnesses, not just the exploited girls themselves but Epstein's employees.

I can't find it anywhere, not even the Miami Herald or Justice Department websites. Normally my Google-fu is strong - I am a research scientist - but I simply cannot find a copy of this document online. DuckDuckgo doesn't yield anything either.

Presumably this means that Epstein hired some talented people to get the thing completely scrubbed from all search engine results, but why is it not even on the Justice Department website? Why doesn't the Miami Herald have a link up? Does anyone have a copy? It is VERY interesting reading.

R317 Ken Starr not only allowed the rape and sexual assault reports at Baylor to continue, he allowed the victims to be discouraged from and retaliated against for reporting the crimes.

[quote]Baylor under Starr's leadership actively discouraged "some complainants from reporting or participating in student conduct processes and in one instance constituted retaliation against a complainant for reporting sexual assault."

Agreed, r318/319. Epstein was the big fish in the sex trafficking operation, so the claims that he had anything of more substance to offer the feds in exchange for such a miniscule sentence is bullshit.

Well he might have some info about money laundering, off shore banking used to hide assets, financial stuff like that. He also probably got a few stock market insider trading tips. You know, from grateful satisfied customers basking in the afterglow.

Has Epstein never been married? Doesn't anyone find this strange? He must have been so deep into the children that he knew there was no way to hide it. He also felt no need whatsoever to look "normal" or " socially acceptable" and arrange a sham marriage.

R320 - it's a Longshot but check the Twitter feed of FBI vault.

Whoever is in charge of that account trolls so wonderfully I would bet they have posted something within the last week or so about him.

As of about 2 years ago, the stuff you refer to was still up because I remember reading it and that Twitter account was where I found it.

They post links to FBI files. It's a fascinating read on its own.

Wasn’t Epstein supposedly the the secret gay partner of Les Wexner, and that’s how he got his money ( it was all from Wexner ).

Apparently Wexner also thought Epstein was some kind of financial genius and he gave him the keys to all his finances and Epstein repaid him by stealing massive amounts of his money.

From what I’ve heard Wexner eventually realised Epstein was grifter and was stealing from him and both he and his wife managed to get a lot of their money back. However, Epstein still took him for tens of millions ( if not more ) and he also managed to hang onto some of the money and the New York mansion because Wexner was worried about being exposed by Epstein.

[quote]Well he might have some info about money laundering, off shore banking used to hide assets, financial stuff like that.

That's probably true, but the consensus among lawyers/judges seems to be that sex crimes against minors - most especially on the scale that Epstein operated - trumps almost any kind of other info that can be given and traded for such a light sentence.

I don’t think Epstein has ever had any interest in men, gay for pay or not. Just a hunch.

One talking head attorney on MSNBC yesterday said they they could not find any cases that were prosecuted that would have been based on info that Epstein allegedly supplied

R328 I don't think Epstein is gay, either. He's into jail-bait girls and I wonder if Wexner was, too.

I think there was something more going on between Epstein and Wexner than just friendship, OP. I can see JE being bisexual ( especially when younger ) and also sociopathic enough to form a relationship with Wexner.

He managed money for Wexner, JE was supposedly Wexer's protégée. He made lots and lots of money for him.

Fox said that. Acosta will resign today.

Fox said that. Acosta will resign today.

but is his asshole hot?

aint 15 legal in lots of the world????

I like that theory about Wexner and Epstein being sex buddies. I think Epstein is capable of any play to better his lot. He's a master manipulator and user.

R336, where are you posting from? This is the USA. Fucking a 14 year old is NOT legal.

R320 Let us know if you find it. Interesting documents up here, including Virginia Roberts' affadavit.

well, they were in financial cahoots together...The old cunt even transferred the townhouse to JE.

I don’t think he made any money for Wexner. I remember reading interviews from prominent traders and financiers from New York and they stated that they’d never heard of Epstein. If he was involved in managing large sums of investors money then he would have left some kind of trace in the financial markets of New York, where he was supposedly based. However, he was conspicuous by his absence.

I think he was involved on a “personal” level of some kind with Wexner, and that explains why Wexner took him under his wing. Epstein was also probably bisexual leaning towards women when he was younger. However, he is obviously a fucked up pervert who can’t have normal relationship with a mature woman and that’s why he abused underaged girls.

I’ve never heard of a sex crimes charge drawing a reduced sentence based on trading financial info. Some other crimes sure, especially financial crimes. But sex crimes or murder, you wouldn’t make a deal like that.

Wexner didn’t marry until he was 55, I believe. (Although frankly I wish there was a lot less of “this guy never married, obviously he’s hiding something”)

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For JE do young girls = boys ?

Do pedophiles care about gender?

The plethora of women assistants reminds me of Weinstein.

Acosta sounds like a nervous nellie

Mr. Epstein came from Brooklyn. His father was a city Parks Department employee. Mr. Epstein took classes in physics at The Cooper Union in the mid-1970s and later attended New York University, but did not receive a degree from either school, New York magazine reported.

He began his career as a math teacher at the Dalton School, an elite private school in Manhattan whose alumni include the cable-news anchor Anderson Cooper, the comedian Chevy Chase and the actress Claire Danes.

“By most accounts, he was something of a Robin Williams-in-“Dead Poets Society” type of figure, wowing his high-school classes with passionate mathematical riffs,” according to the New York magazine article.

From there he took his math skills to Bear Stearns, then a powerful Wall Street investment bank.

Both New York magazine and Vanity Fair magazine reported that he made connections at Dalton that led him to Alan C. Greenberg, then the dauntless chief executive of the Wall Street firm Bear Stearns. Known as “Ace,” Mr. Greenberg was later the firm’s chairman and the chairman of its executive committee.

Under Mr. Greenberg and another top executive, James Cayne, Mr. Epstein “did well enough to become a limited partner — a rung beneath full partner,” Vanity Fair reported.

He left in the early 1980s, forming a consulting firm called the International Assets Group that he ran out of his apartment, according to Vanity Fair. Later he set up a money management firm called J. Epstein & Co. It eventually became the Financial Trust Company, based in the Virgin Islands.

But there were expensive footnotes about him and Bear Stearns. When two big Bear Stearns hedge funds collapsed in 2007 at the start of the financial crisis, Mr. Epstein’s firm was one of the bigger losers, out more than $50 million. Mr. Epstein’s firm also claimed in a lawsuit that he lost even more money when Bear Stearns itself collapsed in 2008.

Exactly what his money management operation did was cloaked in secrecy, as were most of the names of whomever he did it for. He claimed to work for a number of billionaires, but the only known major client was Leslie Wexner, the billionaire founder of several retail chains, including The Limited.

Mr. Wexner is the chief executive of L Brands, which now operates Victoria’s Secret and Bath & Body Works. Mr. Epstein also did work for Steven Hoffenberg, a financier who offered to rescue The New York Post in 1994, the year before he was charged with securities fraud.

Mr. Epstein’s townhouse was once owned by a company that he and Mr. Wexner both controlled. In 2011, it was transferred to a Virgin Island-based company called Maple Inc., of which Mr. Epstein is the president.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Wexner said the retail magnate had “severed ties” with Mr. Epstein about a decade ago. Calls to Financial Trust’s office in St. Thomas and to a lawyer for Mr. Epstein there have not been returned.

While Mr. Epstein may have enjoyed proximity to power, he made relatively modest political contributions, according to Federal Election Commission records.

He donated at least $188,126 to federal candidates between 1987 and 2005, most of it to Democrats, peaking around Hillary Clinton’s campaign for the United States Senate in 2000. He gave $40,000 to groups supporting her then.

Former Senator Robert Torricelli, who led the Senate Democrats’ campaign arm in that election cycle, said on Tuesday that he had never met Mr. Epstein or spoken with him. Robert Zimmerman, who raised funds for Mrs. Clinton’s Senate race, said that he did not have any interactions with Mr. Epstein.

He has given money to only two federal candidates since his 2008 criminal case, one of them being Stacey Plaskett, the Democratic congressional delegate from the Virgin Islands, where he has a home. Ms. Plaskett said on Tuesday that she would give the money to charity.

Sometimes Mr. Epstein’s donations were unexpected and unwanted. Last October, he made an unsolicited $10,000 donation online to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The committee’s finance staff returned it, a former committee official said.

Private as he was, Mr. Epstein was apparently concerned about what the public thought of him. A mutual friend arranged for him to meet R. Couri Hay, a public relations consultant. Mr. Hay said on Monday that their first meeting, at Mr. Epstein’s townhouse, took place three years ago.

Mr. Epstein was not ready to re-emerge in the public eye — not then, anyway. Three months ago, Mr. Epstein called and invited him over to discuss damage control, Mr. Hay said.

“He hates every story starting with ‘billionaire pervert,’” Mr. Hay said. “Jeffrey had long stories about the difference between pedophilia with very young children and tweens and teens a little older.” He added, “It was his way of trying to talk his way around it.”

Mr. Hay said he ultimately declined to work for Mr. Epstein. He said he had misgivings about Mr. Epstein’s sincerity.

I have been watching Acosta's press conference. I can't watch it anymore. He makes me physically ill.

His answer about having to meet at a hotel because he didn’t want to open his office at 7 AM is utter bunk. You never ever meet with defense counsel alone.

Oh, the poor victims, who I victimized again & helped create more victims.

Oh, the poor, poor victims!

THE REAL VICTIM HERE IS ME!!!!

R320 More related documents...

R355, that a known Russian site. Why are you linking to it?

The state charge story sounded a little contrived. I'm sure somebody's fact checking Acosta now.

Does Britain really have a vested interest in defending Andrew at this point? He's like 12th in line to the throne and isn't he unpopular with Charles and William? This would be a good opportunity to remove him from the Windsor troth.

I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein's attorney's claim he can't get a fair trial, especially after the Acosta news conference today.

Acosta is literally licking up all this attention. All he sees is that he can convince people that he is right and look at me, look at me, look at me. He is as bad as Trump

R360 I thought the same thing when he kept asking for more questions

R344 "she was [bold]bought[/bold] by Epstein to live with him as a young girl from Yugoslavia"

There. FTFY.

Seriously: "Bought" from her parents, not "Brought."

I definitely think blackmail is involved, according to Virginia Robert’s diary online, one of his underage victims, she writes that Epstein explicitly told her to detail her sexual acts with powerful men to him so that he could keep the information as blackmail.

And that new wage and labor regulations for sex trafficked victims/immigrants requesting asylum are just bull shit! They now need a criminal charge to have been made or our agents don't believe it? No recognition of how these third world countries work? Or how these modeling, etc., schemes work.

R345, Notice that all of the young girls were very tall and super thin, model types with boyish figures.

Epstein reminds me of Bob Lazar for some reason. Lazar was another conman grifter who had also studied Physics at college but had never obtained a degree. I remember him being interviewed, during which he did a series of complex calculations on a chalkboard which seemed very impressive. I wouldn’t be surprised if Epstein is all smoke and mirrors and is nowhere near as wealthy as he portrays himself to be.

Epstein had a way of impressing people and most likely charmed his way into situations that helped him climb the ladder. Also, when anyone has ever tried to verify anything about him it either turns out to be untrue, or it can’t be confirmed.

It’s well known that he scammed Wexner and, according to the rumours, had a sexual relationship with him for a number of years in the 1980s. Doesn’t it strike anyone as suspicious that after Wexner had sued Epstein he then backed off and let him keep large amounts of the money and property that Epstein had stolen from him.

Epstein reminds me of Bob Lazar for some reason. Lazar was another conman grifter who had also studied Physics at college but had never obtained a degree. I remember him being interviewed, during which he did a series of complex calculations on a chalkboard which seemed very impressive. I wouldn’t be surprised if Epstein is all smoke and mirrors and is nowhere near as wealthy as he portrays himself to be.

Epstein had a way of impressing people and most likely charmed his way into situations that helped him climb the ladder. Also, when anyone has ever tried to verify anything about him it either turns out to be untrue, or it can’t be confirmed.

It’s well known that he scammed Wexner and, according to the rumours, had a sexual relationship with him for a number of years in the 1980s. Doesn’t it strike anyone as suspicious that after Wexner had sued Epstein he then backed off and let him keep large amounts of the money and property that Epstein had stolen from him.

Epstein reminds me of Bob Lazar for some reason. Lazar was another conman grifter who had also studied Physics at college but had never obtained a degree. I remember him being interviewed, during which he did a series of complex calculations on a chalkboard which seemed very impressive. I wouldn’t be surprised if Epstein is all smoke and mirrors and is nowhere near as wealthy as he portrays himself to be.

Epstein had a way of impressing people and most likely charmed his way into situations that helped him climb the ladder. Also, when anyone has ever tried to verify anything about him it either turns out to be untrue, or it can’t be confirmed.

It’s well known that he scammed Wexner and, according to the rumours, had a sexual relationship with him for a number of years in the 1980s. Doesn’t it strike anyone as suspicious that after Wexner had sued Epstein he then backed off and let him keep large amounts of the money and property that Epstein had stolen from him.

R356 Unaware, sorry. Thanks for the heads up.

R366, R367, R368

WTF is up with the triple posts? I 'm used to doubles by now, but three?

Not blaming you, R366, R367, R368 but along with no links this afternoon, something here seems screwy today.

R348 et al

Ohio State University has a number of buildings named after Wexner including a medical center and their performing arts complex. Also, let's not forget Trump Model Management which closed with investigators starting really looking at what it was doing with teenage models...

Escort services is prostitution no matter what language or country you're in. Washington Post can try to spin it differently but a hooker is a hooker.

What I can’t understand is where his money is still coming from. He must have had huge legal bills from the first trial, and then there’s also the payouts to all of his victims.

I think he’s a grifter like Trump ( only far smarter ) and hasn’t got anywhere near the purported wealth many people think he has. And according to investigators who have looked into his “investments and trading” he is a virtual unknown in the financial markets of New York where his businesses are supposedly based.

Is it possible that he could be linked to the Israeli government and intelligence services somehow? It is curious how he had so many contacts and access to people ( especially a lot of powerful Jews and Israelis ) even after other people distanced themselves from him after his conviction.

One of the pictures in his home was with the evil Saudi guy.

Posting help requested. Video of JE's "lair."

If some of the molestations occurred in Epstein's plane over international waters, would the age of consent here still apply? I just wonder how many of Epstein's molester clients were told that State laws wouldn't affect them if they were caught.

[quote]Disgraced billionaire financier Jefferey Epstein hired [bold]an all female executive[/bold]

What the hell does this even mean? She wasn’t a MTF, she was all female??

Was his island in the US or British Virgin Islands?

R374, he is not based in NYC! he is based in the virgin islands. He has a townhouse in manhattan and other properties elsewhere.

R379, US virgin islands.

Hope the investigation implicates all the evil Republican senators (you just KNOW they were involved)...

Well, he has the goods on Andrew that's for sure...I'm sure there is just more than just that picture of Andy with that young girl.

But how rich is Andrew? I'm not too familiar with his finances...I know his mama is rich as fuck.

Neighbors call it "pedophile island." Article about St James island and Epstein.

Off topic: anyone know why I can't get to the end of this thread? There are supposedly 48 more replies, but my screen only goes up to 336, then shows the comment window. Refreshing has worked before, but doesn't now.

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The Israeli connection seems plausible. At some point, they decided to cut their losses and let him flounder. He probably had no place to run and that's why he returned to NY. If he were still useful to someone he would not be in custody right now. I doubt he's involved deeply with the Saudis-- they are more likely to import women than they are to run around the world leaving evidence where it could be scooped up.

No, R387, I didn't block dozens of posters. In any case they all appeared when I went out into "recent threads" and then back into this thread. Just a weird glitch.

More to the point: it looks like Epstein is basically a charming and delightful dinner companion with a sociopathic side, no real skills whatsoever beyond firing up his math classes in the 70s and then wriggling his way into high finance without leaving any sort of footprint whatsoever on the financial world or any trace of legitimate activities (unless you count the obscure work he did for Les Wexner). Tom Ripley or the kid in Six Degrees of Separation. It's kind of amazing he's kept the game up for this long, and speaks to how the rich will overlook obvious criminal behavior—and also hints that the sources of his wealth are complicit in his sexual and financial crimes.

For spies, usually if you are compromised, they are disavowed. They will pretend they don't know you ever.

r385 go to another thread and then come back to this one. don't use the back button

you can also try going to the column on the right and click on this thread even though you are already here. It usually loads for me that way

Here's my take: Epstein was a collector of famous people, powerful people and celebrities. He was some kind of money manager if I recall correctly, but his real genius was with people. He had a lot more finesse than Trump and he is smarter. Getting a teaching position at Dalton with no college degree because he was a "member of the club." and William Barr's father had no problem hiring him. He met people through his connections and used them as stepping stones to others. So he's 66 now but obviously he has been honing his skills for decades. The wealthy and the powerful love to be cared for. They love fixers. That is probably Epstein's skill. That and hooking one guy up with another. He seems like he was a dealmaker. He built wealth for himself through his connections with powerful people. And he loved being able to take a former PResident or a member of the British Royal family on his private jet. He probably never resorted to blackmail among his "friends." He would merely suggest things and make sure they knew they were safe with him. LOL!~ He was probably like Littlefinger.

My guess is he made money by hosting sex parties and then blackmailing the participants along with procuring young females for rich clients. I wouldn't be surprised if every room in that compound wasn't rigged with cameras and recording devices.

WTF is with all the "Eastern European" women the pigs surround themselves with? Are they all morally depraved too?

NBC News: Former Palm Beach State Attorney Barry Krischer says in a statement that Alex Acosta is "completely wrong."

He says a 53 page federal indictment "was abandoned after secret negotiations between Mr. Epstein’s lawyers and Mr. Acosta.

BOMBSHELL

R395

Ruh Roh

[quote] He says a 53 page federal indictment "was abandoned after secret negotiations between Mr. Epstein’s lawyers and Mr. Acosta.

Would these lawyers of Mr. Epstein be one Ken Starr and one Alan Dershowitz?

Epstein was a "hedge fund manager"?? Hah. Bullshit. He laundered money through the Russian mob.

[quote]As much as I hate Trump, I don't believe Trump is a pedo like JE.

Facts don't give a fuck about what you believe, hon.

Hey Guys -

Technical question:

For ease of posting, how do you copy another poster's post to appear with the left- sided green bar and verbatim words in smaller font?

Thanks in advance.

Type [quote ] before the text. But when you type [quote ] remove the space after the "e."

[quote ] Thanks in advance.

[quote] Thanks in advance.

[quote]For ease of posting, how do you copy another poster's post to appear with the left- sided green bar and verbatim words in smaller font?

(left bracket)quote(right bracket)

Make sure "quote" is lower case. Then the text after, which should show up as quotations. (left bracket)bold(right bracket) will bold text, but make sure you put (left bracket)/bold(right bracket) after the bolded text.

Hope this helps.

The Hill: Former Florida state attorney pushes back against Acosta account of Epstein case

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(quote) Hey R401 Thanks!

(quote) Thank you (bold) totalmentedoido (/bold)!

DeutscheBank had an extensive relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, lending him money and providing trading services — up until May 2019, when the bank cut him off.

I still think there are lots and lots of stories...yet to be revealed.

Deutsche Bank is laying off thousands of employees, just announced recently...

Use square brackets [], R405.

r400: use the brackets, which are located next to the "p" on a windows keyboard.

[quote ] not (quote)

Thanks again R409 and R410!

[quote] I still think there are lots and lots of stories...yet to be revealed.

I also have that sense, R407.

R412: that's the ticket!

[quote]My guess is he made money by hosting sex parties and then blackmailing the participants along with procuring young females for rich clients.

That seems the most likely. Sex trafficking is a multi-billion dollar business, only behind drug and gun trafficking.

Sex trafficking on the scale that this guy was doing is not that lucrative. I studied the sex industry. It's not going to result in him earning tens of millions of dollars. Blackmail and money laundering-- yes, but not arranging sex parties for rich guys.

Do you think information pertaining to Epstein's arrest could have arisen from Cohen's cache?

If so....Trump....?

And even if he engages in blackmail, it's not the main source of his earnings. More people would have cut ties with him sooner if he was blackmailing everyone left and right. He'd not have lasted this long if his main source of income was blackmail of very rich and powerful men.

It's unlikely that "new" evidence incriminating him came out just in the last two years. My hunch is that he's outlived his usefulness to intelligence agencies or someone is trying to indirectly fuck with Trump. Probably we will never know.

Barr unrecusing himself quite possibly means two things: a. President Shitgibbon told him to; b. President Shitgibbon is tits-deep in this Epstein business.

[quote] Barr unrecusing himself quite possibly means two things

Yeeeeaaahhhh totalmentedoido.

That Barr flip intuitively spoke volumes to me.

Bump!

R385/R389

Try clicking on the number of unread posts in the little black circle (next to the number of total replies). That refreshes the page for me.

CDAN posts diagram, naming celebs as rapists. Does mention Trump and Jane Doe.

LMAO at your link R423.

better version:

What is the website linked above?

I wish someone could connect the dots to that creep Dan Schneider.

Also, any connection with Jimmy Savile?

After being labeled a worst-of-the-worst, “Level 3” sex offender in 2011, Epstein should have reported in person to verify his address 34 times before he was arrested Saturday on federal child sex-trafficking charges.

Violating requirements of the state’s 1996 Sex Offender Registration Act — including checking in with law enforcement — is a felony punishable by up to four years in prison for a first offense.

Subsequent violations carry a sentence of up to seven years each.

But the NYPD hasn’t required the multimillionaire financier — who owns a $77 million Upper East Side townhouse — to check in since he registered as a sex offender in New York over the controversial 2008 plea bargain he struck in Florida amid allegations he sexually abused scores of underage girls in his Palm Beach mansion.

Several current and former high-ranking NYPD officials were shocked to learn from The Post that the department had given Epstein a pass on his periodic check-ins, with one saying, “It makes no sense.”

“The NYPD can’t modify a court order,” a source said. “If the judge says he has to report here, he has to report here.”

Another source said Epstein was “supposed to go to SOMU,” an acronym for the NYPD’s Sex Offender Monitoring Unit, located in the Manhattan criminal courthouse at 100 Centre St.

“If he didn’t, then he’s in violation and they could have arrested him,” the source said.

The NYPD maintains that Epstein, 66, wasn’t required to check in with New York cops because he claims his primary residence is a private island, Little St. John, in the US Virgin Islands.

But State Supreme Court Justice Ruth Pickholz considered and rejected that very argument by defense lawyer Sandra Musumeci during the Jan. 18, 2011, hearing.

Musumeci insisted that Epstein wasn’t a “resident of New York” and that his seven-story townhouse at 9 East 71st St. was a “vacation home” at which he had no plans to ever stay “longer than a period 10 days.”

Pickholz insisted that Epstein would have to abide by the mandatory reporting requirements for Level 3 offenders.

“I am sorry he may have to come here every 90 days,” she said, according to an official transcript. “He can give up his New York home if he does not want to come every 90 days.”

That was the same hearing where, in a highly controversial move, the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office tried to argue on Epstein’s behalf that he should be deemed a low-risk “Level 1” offender, which would have exempted him from the reporting requirements.

The DA’s Office has said that the prosecutor in that case — Jennifer Gaffney, who quit last year — “made a mistake” and that DA Cyrus Vance Jr. was unaware of it at the time.

In March, an NYPD spokeswoman told the Washington Post that Epstein never checked in following Pickholz’s ruling. Asked repeatedly about that admission this week, the NYPD declined comment.

Asked about her ruling, state court spokesman Lucian Chalfen said that Pickholz “stands by what was said in court, on the record, at the hearing and has had no further role in any type of enforcement. That’s not the court’s role.”

In addition to verifying a sex offender’s address, the 90-day check-ins allow cops to take a new photograph if the offender’s appearance has changed, so it can be updated online.

The NYPD cop assigned to monitor Epstein has repeatedly complained to Vance’s Sex Crimes Unit that Epstein wasn’t in compliance, according to a source familiar with the matter.

But prosecutors told the cop to merely send Epstein a letter, reminding him of his reporting requirement.

A Vance spokesman denied that allegation, saying “the NYPD — which is the agency responsible for monitoring SORA compliance — has repeatedly told us that Mr. Epstein was in full compliance with the law.”

“Our office vigorously prosecutes all failure-to-verify cases. Our prosecutors did not and would not discourage the NYPD from making an arrest,” Vance spokesman Danny Frost said.

NYPD spokesman Phillip Walzak said the SOMU “monitored Epstein while his reporting address was in New York City.”

“The NYPD is proud of its hard work alongside our federal partners to make the case against Epstein that lead to his arrest for his vile crimes, and that will ultimately bring justice for his victims.”

An NYPD spokesman added that this took place years ago, before much of the current leadership at NYPD was in place.

cute when he was a teacher...

Apparently no one knows where he makes his money.

Apparently no one knows where he makes his money.

Prince Andrew was photographed with Epstein in 2011 and later lost his role as a trade envoy for Britain.

He makes his money by drug running, human trafficking and money laundering.

And he doesn't pay taxes on any of it.

Let's take a nice long, deep dive into his 1040's and 1120's, shall we? Wonder what cockroaches we will unearth there?

The bastard probably shredded a fuckton of incriminating documents.

Any thoughts as to how this might play out?

Bail?

Sentencing?

Associates for sentencing? E.g Trump????

I bet Jeffrey got some dirt on the elder Barr.

This, however, was not the first connection between Barr and his family and the disgraced pedophile. In 1973, Barr’s father Donald, the headmaster at Manhattan’s Dalton School, hired Epstein as a calculus and physics teacher.

While hiring Epstein, a noted mathematics genius, was not strange on its face, the hire was unusual for a number of reasons. Epstein had not earned a college degree as he dropped out of New York’s prestigious Cooper Union. The other odd circumstance was that the new teacher was only 20 years of age.

When you look at r428/r429 you begin to see why this douchebag thought he was untouchable.

I'm waiting for the inevitable South Park episode.

Can Cy Vance be impeached?

Cy Vance should go to JAIL.

Does his arrest have anything to do with another accuser who has come forward and stated he raped her in his New York townhouse?

R442 I saw her on the news last night and she seems super credible. A poor Performing arts HS student at the time she was recruited in front of the NYC HS , broken home etc. just Epstein's type.

These few years of the Trump administration have totally exposed the radical double system of law enforcement in this country. I thought it before and I know it now: the rich and well-connected can get away with anything; there's not even a question of their being held accountable for crimes that regular people languish in jail for. This is "but the rapist was from a good family" writ enormously large. Let's hope in this case justice is served, but the administration is obviously thwarting justice like they always do.

[quote] Let's hope in this case justice is served, but the administration is obviously thwarting justice like they always do.

What planet are you on? Epstein was a free man during 8 years of the Obama Administration. And he'd STILL be raping under a Hillary presidency.

R445, Agreed. Careful, you'll soon be called "Boris" and a Russian Troll if you say anything in favor of Trump even if it's true.

R444, Have you ever checked out the increasingly large numbers of pimps, child sex pornographers, and human traffickers arrested under Trump? Compare it to the relatively tiny number under Obama & Hillary.

Can't Cy Vance and all of the other LE in NY who didn't comply with the law be sued and arrested? Bet they were all paid off handsomely to disregard SOP. No way would a poor and/or minority offender be treated the exact same way.

At the very least shame the LAPD offenders across social media.

R445: The initial investigation into Epstein happened while Bush was still in office. Furthermore, Acosta was a rising star in the Republican Party and it was through him that Epstein got his deal.

Courthouse News' Adam Klasfield:

Originally scheduled for Thursday, the hearing to unseal a large trove of Jeffrey Epstein-related documents in litigation on remand from the Second Circuit has been postponed until July 25.

Okay, I was listening to the news today and heard that British claim that Iranian ships attempted to block theirs. I thought the timing was very strange. A diversion from the Andrew/Fergie/Epstein story arc?

The Hill: 'Acosta Enables Sex Trafficking' projected onto the Labor Department building

[quote] Have you ever checked out the increasingly large numbers of pimps, child sex pornographers, and human traffickers arrested under Trump? Compare it to the relatively tiny number under Obama & Hillary.

No. Why don't you post a link to show us.

You have to know that Trump has been involved in some of his criminal endeavors. Everyday we find out about Trumps criminal connections, yet nothing is done. This is the worst nightmare that I have ever lived through.

You have to know that Trump has been involved in some of his criminal endeavors. Everyday we find out about Trumps criminal connections, yet nothing is done. This is the worst nightmare that I have ever lived through.

[quote]Have you ever checked out the increasingly large numbers of pimps, child sex pornographers, and human traffickers arrested under Trump? Compare it to the relatively tiny number under Obama & Hillary.

No. Got any figures to back that up, Boris?

[quote]Have you ever checked out the increasingly large numbers of pimps, child sex pornographers, and human traffickers arrested under Trump? Compare it to the relatively tiny number under Obama & Hillary.

No. Got any figures to back that up, Boris?

Apparently the real name of the girl who accused both Trump and Epstein of abusing her is Katie Johnson. I thought her story was very believable, however, the Daily Fail did an interview with her where they more or less stated that she was most likely lying.

how perv was he? all he did was finger em and eat em out. geesh

what if they find pics on jeff's computer of trump or Clinton or the prince eating out underage gals? that cause for impeachment???? or prison?

R455. R456. Countless reports on Google which MSM never covers.

[quote]Have you ever checked out the increasingly large numbers of pimps, child sex pornographers, and human traffickers arrested under Trump? Compare it to the relatively tiny number under Obama & Hillary.

Are you saying Trump is responsible for the arrest of Epstein??? STFU. It is because people are refuting Trump that Epstein was arrested. His administration hasn't done squat arrest child traffickers.

Hopefully they would be hung by the neck until dead. Trump first.

Hopefully they would be hung by the neck until dead. Trump first.

[quote], the Daily Fail did an interview with her where they more or less stated that she was most likely lying.

You said it best, the Daily Fail. A publication that should not be persuading you on Trump's allege innocence. Of course Trump is guilty as fuck.

He raped many of them, r458. Some of these girls were as young as twelve, and this sick perv would order them to undress and massage him while he jerked off. He did this to literally hundreds of girls over the years and that doesn’t include all the sick shit he’s got up to that we still don’t know anything about.

This is the source on which R460's "news" is based. I’m sure it’s not biased!

R461, There are stats all over the internet proving that Trump's administration has greatly increased the number of arrests of pimps, child sex traffickers and pornographers. Unfortunately MSM never thoroughly covers the larger busts. The best records of monthly arrests are on Twitter sites which DL disses as the author's ID as "patriots."

I've seen LE reports of statistics on other websites and am trying to find the records now. However I know that no matter what federal government proof that I find DL Trolls will condemn my findings as they don't want to hear the truth.

Well, R460, if Liz Crokin from TownHall.com is reporting those numbers, they must be true.

After all, she's also claimed that California mudslides were God's punishment to Oprah for being anti-Trump, that Hollywood celebrities set last year's wildfires to cover up their pedophilia, and that Chrissy Teigen and John Legend were part of Hillary's pizzagate scandal.

Previous posters claiming there's been no action or arrests need to read the linked article.

R460 If Trump were tough on sex traffickers, then why would he appoint a Labor Secretary who gave a sweetheart deal to a known predator and has since propose an 80% cut to his department’s bureau that combats human trafficking?

**proposed

Did someone claim that there's been "no action or arrests"? I must have missed that.

Odd, though that neither state TV (Fox News) nor Trump himself are crowing about these "huge increases" in numbers. I guess Donald's natural modesty prevents him from taking credit.

The GOP Trolls are active today. lol Trump hasn't done squat to end human trafficking, to the contrary, he has embolden pedos and human traffickers. Time to start blocking people.

Trump is so hard on human traffickers that they show up at Mara Lago to have their pictures taken with him.

R472, R473, You haven't checked out the right sources as these mass arrests have been all over the internet for some time. Note that the DL Trolls always insist the sources, even those quoting Federal Government documents, are biased.

[quote]There are stats all over the internet proving that Trump's administration has greatly increased the number of arrests of pimps, child sex traffickers and pornographers.

Actually, there aren't, mostly because none of that is true. We've covered this in detail before. Trump has done no more than any prior administration has done.

[quote] Previous posters claiming there's been no action or arrests need to read the linked article.

No one said that.

And a large number any time during the last two+ years would have to be compared to the "tiny" amount under Obama to verify your original claim.

[quote] Note that the DL Trolls always insist the sources, even those quoting Federal Government documents, are biased.

Nope, no on said that either.

Trump's Mythical Crackdown on Sex Trafficking

Thanks, R478, that article directly (and correctly) refutes the link R460 provided.

[quote]Look again at the claim that came up again and again in the tweet thread, that law enforcement under Trump had freed more children from sex traffickers in one month than it did under any year of the Obama administration. It sounds incredible, because it's false, originating in a 2017 column by an obscure conservative writer named Liz Crokin. Her piece, titled “Why the MSM Is Ignoring Trump's Sex Trafficking Busts,” claimed that there had been a “staggering 1,500-plus arrests” of sex traffickers in Trump's first 30 days, compared with just 400 in 2014.

[quote]Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown made short work of that story. Not only was Crokin giving Trump credit for local law enforcement actions that had been planned before he took office, she was fudging the numbers. Few of the arrests she cited had anything to do with sex trafficking. The 2014 data was a rundown of state-level arrests in just half the country; Crokin had ignored more relevant information, such as an Immigration and Customs Enforcement statement published a month before her column announcing 1,952 federal arrests of human traffickers in 2016.

[quote]But the fake numbers got around. From newspaper letter pages to mainstream conservative sites, the “fact” of a Trump-era surge in sex-trafficking arrests has survived multiple debunkings. In 2017, ICE claimed 350 fewer arrests of human traffickers than the last year of the Obama administration. There have been high-profile arrests of sex traffickers, as there are every year, but no surge over what we saw under previous presidents.

Oh God.

Previous posters need to check out FBI stats. Since the Trolls have blocked me and are burying their heads in the sand I'm not going to waste my time by doing more research for what's obvious. Here's just one link.

Fact-checking Trump's human trafficking claims.

Courthouse News' Adam Klasfeld:

BREAKING: Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys want him to wait out trial in his Upper East Side mansion.

"For reasons explained elsewhere, round-the-clock, privately funded security guards will virtually guarantee – not just reasonably assure – Mr. Epstein’s presence in the circumstances of this case," his lawyers propose.

U.S. District Judge Richard Berman, who is presiding over Epstein's case, rejected a similar cushy bail package for gold trader Reza Zarrab, who executed the biggest money laundering scheme to Iran in U.S. history.

That link was already posted. R482. And it does nothing to prove your thesis that Trump is overseeing "huge increases" in arrests compared to the Obama administration.

Why engage the GOP/Russian trolls?

Block them and ignore them.

[quote]Previous posters need to check out FBI stats.

We have; they show you're lying, which is just one of the reasons you don't actually cite them.

[quote]Since the Trolls have blocked me and are burying their heads in the sand I'm not going to waste my time by doing more research for what's obvious.

Translation: I've been caught lying but I'm never going to admit that.

[quote]Here's just one link.

Operation Broken Heart, which resulted in the arrests your link cites, [bold]began in 2014[/bold]. Gee, I'm trying to remember who was President in 2014. Hmm....

[quote]Donald Barr, William Barr's father, gave Epstein access to young girls when he hired him for the Dalton School. Was Barr's dad a pedo/enabler?

You know the old saying about birds of a feather. . . . . .

The number of people willing to lie for Trump is astounding.

I would not be surprised in the least that some of the children separated from their parents at the border have ended up in sex traffickers hands. There is absolutely no transparency into the process. We don't know how many children there are and the government is not tracking them. 200 girls could be transferred to a facility in Florida and then "processed back to their countries" and instead diverted to some off shore island without anyone knowing. I remember during the first "border crisis" when this all started that there was a large group of girls that seemed to go missing from a facility in New York. It's the perfect crime, the parents are all poor people from foreign lands. Their kids go missing and no one cares.

[quote]At the very least shame the LAPD offenders across social media.

What the hell did we do this time?

[quote]BREAKING: Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys want him to wait out trial in his Upper East Side mansion.

It’s indescribable how much this infuriates me!

The fucking unmitigated gall of these assholes. “Oh please, Judge, let him sit in the lap of luxury and wait to be tried. After all, you’d let anyone else accused of such a heinous crime enjoy their time at home, wouldn’t you?”

Disgusting.

[quote] No worse than Bill Clinton

You can bring Clinton all you want, and it won't change the fact that Trump is guilty.

apples and oranges

No one who posts links to Town Hall can be taken seriously.

I just posted this in another thread, but least you might miss it, I'll repost it here.

Why didn't he flee to Israel where he could benefit from automatic citizenship and no extradition treaty?

[quote]but least you might miss it,

Oh, dear!

Even the Israelis couldn’t protect him now, r497.

[quote]Oh, dear!

I'm French so I'll only accept "Oh, cher!". Point taken though!

I wonder why the remains of the house at Orgy island haven't been seized and searched? And the tunnels.

So what was Epstein doing in Paris? I mean, where?

What remains R501. Isn’t the house still there?

There’s probably a few dead sex slaves on that Island. I wouldn’t be surprised if he abused and tortured some poor girl to death - especially if he thought he was safe from prying eyes.

Epstein also has a home in a Paris, and apparently spends a lot of his time there.

Who knew the life of a jet-setting pedophile sex trafficker was so glamorous!

The legal age of consent in France is 15 years old. Do these perverts get a kick out of it knowing they are not of legal age? And the fact he has to rape them.

[quote]Epstein also has a home in a Paris,

Ooooh, which one?

Oui oui, r500.

There is NO legal age of consent in France. Yep, you read me well.

The project was to set it at 15 last year but the legislators abandoned the project because of a possible unconstitutionality.

What ?? So France remains without an age limit ??? Unbelievable.

So why dont all pedos just move to France?

Specific details in this case starting with allegations against the father of Mr. Barr.

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The thing is they’re really going to go after him now. Whatever protection he had ( Acosta alluded to him being an intelligence asset ) it no longer exists. And all his high profile friends and contacts are either dropping him like a hot stone - or they are running for cover like dirtbag Dershowitz. The press and general public are watching what goes on now and he won’t be able to cut any deals.

The pressure to make an example of him will be so strong that he’ll most likely end up being sentenced to years ( if not life ) in jail. I actually think that the light sentence he got in Florida was the worst thing that could have happened to him. The whole thing has completely blown up in his face. The fact that the DA and prosecutors went so easy on him ( and basically let him get away with it ) is what brought all this down on him.

If he’d done a few years of real time in jail and the victims hadn’t been completely excluded by Acosta then he might have been able to avoid what’s happening to him now.

Dershowitz made a comment that in the 90s if you did not hob nob with Trump or Epstein you were a nobody- or rather everyone wanted to. Bullshit times 10. Dershowitz is as bad as those two- repulsive men.

If france has no age of consent why did pervy gerard depardieu move to russia?

No big surprise, but some charities say they never got Epstein donations, despite his IRS filings claiming they were made.

R512 Well, many have.

So, where's the address for that property in Paris?

This will all be swept under the rug again. That is why the lying hack round Billy unrecused himself. To cover this all up and make it go away.

The only way it won't is if WE keep calling and tweeting and demanding this perv be brought to justice.

And if the partisan hack can't make it go away, someone will "get to" the scumbag Epstein in his cell. No way is that hack Barr going to let anyone in the GOP be caught up in this.

No.

Way.

This will all be swept under the rug again. That is why the lying hack round Billy unrecused himself. To cover this all up and make it go away.

The only way it won't is if WE keep calling and tweeting and demanding this perv be brought to justice.

And if the partisan hack can't make it go away, someone will "get to" the scumbag Epstein in his cell. No way is that hack Barr going to let anyone in the GOP be caught up in this.

No.

Way.

Technically you are rightR510, but if you read what passed it is pretty obvious.

Article 222-22:

Where these acts are perpetrated upon the person of a child aged under 15, moral coercion or surprise are characterized by an abuse of the vulnerability of a victim who does not have the judgement or understanding for such acts.

The bill also increased the punishment for “sexual infraction” (that is, sexual activity with a child where “violence, coercion, threat or surprise” are not present):

Excluding cases of rape or any kind of sexual assault, the perpetration by an adult of a sexual infraction upon a child aged under 15 is punishable by seven years in prison and a fine of €150,000 ($173,300).

[quote] The only way it won't is if WE keep calling and tweeting

YES! The more we tweet, the more things happen! We are making history!

I'm gay but even my life doesn't revolve around sex as much as Epstein's. His homes, his planes, his employees were like all part of a nonstop sex party machine.

Only thing missing were the drugs.

There used to be thread on reddit ( it’s since been deleted ) where someone posted that they’d had a relative who’d known Epstein during his early years while working at Bear Stearns. He said that virtually all the information on Epstein and his business career is incorrect. Apparently Epstein had been asked to leave Bear Stearns - he didn’t know the exact reason - and that’s why he set up his own company. Also, his reputation at the company wasn’t good, and apparently the posters relative was nonplussed by how Epstein had somehow become this celebrated billionaire investor.

Today's NYT story on Epstein is pretty good.

yeah Trump, Acosta, and his criminal Republicans just recommended SLASHING the anti-human trafficking budget. So you can stop your lies.

It's hilarious to me how obviously scared the Russians and Republicans are of this. They have really escalated their lies on all these threads. Gee, I wonder what they are afraid of??

I haven't seen it mentioned, but the interview yesterday of the young woman raped by Epstein said the secretary would call her say Epstein wanted to see her. That woman has to know a lot of secrets. Hope they are interviewing her, but also shouldn't she be charged too?

The agreement Epstein received from Acosta was good only in the state of Florida which is why the Feds wend after him in NY. The danger is that with Barr unrecusing himself means Barr can screw with the case, such as removing the lead prosecutor and replacing him with one that will do what he is told to do.

R529, they cooperated and sang like Canaries

What do Donald Trump, Bernie Madoff, Jeffrey Epstein, and Harvey Weinstein have in common? They are all New Yorkers! No transplants they. The genuine native New Yorker!

Well, two from Queens, one from Brooklyn, R532. I suppose those count as New York in some circles.

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Then, when Epstein pleaded guilty in a 2008 to soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution, his need for privacy began to appear more sinister.

'Everybody called it "Pedophile Island",' said Kevin Goodrich, who is from St. Thomas and operates boat charters. 'It's our dark corner.'

Many people who worked for Epstein told The Associated Press this week that they had signed long non-disclosure agreements and refused to talk.

One former employee who declined to be identified said Epstein once had five boats, including a large ferry in which he transported up to 200 workers from St. Thomas to his island every day for construction work.

The man said he saw a handful of young women when he was on Epstein's property but he believed they were older than 18.

'When he was there, it was keep to yourself and do your thing,' the man recalled, adding that Epstein paid well and would give away older machinery and surplus including lumber to his employees.

Epstein built a stone mansion with cream-colored walls and a bright turquoise roof surrounded by several other structures including the maids' quarters and a massive, square-shaped temple on one end of the island.

Locals recalled seeing Epstein's black helicopter flying back and forth from the tiny international airport in St Thomas to his helipad on Little St James Island, a roughly 78-acre retreat a little over a mile southeast of St Thomas.

Epstein later bought neighboring Great St James Island, which once was popular with locals and tourists for its main attraction, Christmas Cove, a place where you could hang out and order pizza and have it delivered via boat.

'He wasn't well received,' recalled Spencer Consolvo, a St. Thomas native who runs a tourist shop near a large marina. 'People think he's too rich to be policed properly.'

Federal authorities consider the smaller of the two islands to be Epstein's primary residence in the United States, a place where at least one alleged victim said in a court affidavit that she participated in an orgy, as well as had sex with Epstein and other people.

She said she saw former US President Bill Clinton on the island, but that she never saw him having sex with anyone. A Clinton spokesman issued a statement saying he never visited there.

A day after he pleaded not guilty in a New York courtroom to charges of sexually abusing dozens of underage girls, there was scant movement on the Caribbean island.

Hurricane shutters covered the windows, locals hadn't seen any lights at night and a lone worker drove a bright blue golf cart around the property.

At a nearby office that locals say Epstein owns in a seaside strip mall, a man in a T-shirt and sunglasses on his head opened the door a crack, shook his head vehemently when asked about Epstein and locked the door.

The firm, Southern Trust Company Inc, hired Cecile de Jongh, wife of former Gov John de Jongh, as its office manager, according to records with the US Virgin Islands Economic Development Authority.

Meanwhile, Epstein's arrest also prompted the US Virgin Islands representative in Congress, Stacey Plaskett, to announce she would give the money Epstein had donated to her campaigns to charitable groups.

Now that Epstein has been arrested a second time, locals say tourists are increasingly asking about his islands when they visit St Thomas.

A woman who did not want to be identified for fear of losing her job running a charter company said she was elated when Epstein got arrested but is now vexed at tourists' curiosity, saying she reluctantly shares whispered details of his case to prying adults if children are around.

Some of that fascination aggravates Vernon Morgan, a taxi driver and St Thomas native.

'It brought some kind of notoriety to the Virgin Islands,' he said. 'We would much rather that the Virgin Islands be seen in a different light.'

[quote]If france has no age of consent why did pervy gerard depardieu move to russia?

Because France no longer lets men gangbang-rape women in plain daylight for all to see...as they used to do back in the day when Gerard was a strapping young man. He actually had the audacity of recounting that anecdote to an entertainment magazine some decades ago.

Disgusting

[quote]If france has no age of consent why did pervy gerard depardieu move to russia?

Tax evasion! You can google it, auntie!!!!

Dems upset that Trump vows to stop human trafficking:

[quote]Dems upset that Trump vows to stop human trafficking:

R539 = Bot and now Blocked

Well now we know why the "Pizzagate" horseshit got started - as cover for pedophiles.

There really are people out there stupid/crazy enough to think that the Trump administration is hunting down pedophiles??? The mind reels.

And Kellyanne is on top of the Opioid epidemic!

"Well, two from Queens, one from Brooklyn, [R532]. I suppose those count as New York in some circles."

Are Queens and Brooklyn not a part of NYC? Or, are they disregarded by Manhattanites when it's convenient? So, that's where Trump learned to shift blame.

Which political party & politicians do the owners/editors of the Miami Herald support? They've been heralded by numerous moral LE for not dropping the case when a sleazy deal was originally struck in FL years ago. Instead they have continued with ongoing coverage.

Right-wing online media have also kept on Epstein's tail with videos and articles. Back in March Epstein's #1 assistant G. Maxwell's role was discussed as well as her father's role with MI6. Did you know Barbara Walters and Henry Kissinger also visited Pedo Island? The temple located on Orgy Island is rumored to be associated with the Freemasons. Some have spotted a small statue of an owl they claim is Moloch on the roof. Shades of Bohemian Grove? Rumors are running wild . . .

R543 - I believe that R532 was displaying "wit".

To the troll who insists Trump has been hard on human traffickers: TRUMP, HIMSELF, HAS BEEN A PARTICIPANT IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING THROUGH HIS "MODELING AGENCY" !

^ He also appointed a Labor Secretary whose job is to oversee human trafficking yet he has done nothing to stop it an is part of the problem, not the solution... not too mention his role in letting Epstein off light, creating more victims.

^ He also has instituted immigration policies that act as a deterrent for those harmed by trafficking to report it.

Remember when the border separations began, a bunch of children were shipped off to the orphanage owned by Betsy DeVos? I wonder if any of the kids were adopted, or were they sold by the busload to Epstein or people like him.

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[quote] Did you know Barbara Walters and Henry Kissinger also visited Pedo Island?

Not surprised at all. In another thread about this I said trump was friends with him and if barbara walters wasn't demented and sitting around in a shit filled diaper she would be sticking up for Epstein. I also said, all the NY rich trash stick together

I was RIGHT

[quote]I think he’s engaged in blackmail. The reason I think this is that I read the Palm Beach police report when they did the search warrant. Epstein had advanced warning they were coming, so he scrubbed the place as much as he could, but he left wires and audio-visual cables, for uploading video files to computers, and I guess the Palm Beach Police themselves installed some of his audiovisual surveillance equipment in his residence — it’s a service they apparently do, putting in security cameras for residents. And some of his victims, like Virginia Roberts, in her court filings, said that Epstein remarked to her that “information is king,” and mentioned that Bill Clinton was there because “he owes me a favor.” He bragged that that’s how powerful he was. So I suspect, based on that evidence, that’s it’s likely, since that’s the way Epstein operates is he uses information to his advantage. Does he get investment money for his hedge fund that way? That’s a strong possibility. Does he not have to pay back investors maybe using the blackmail information as a threat? That’s a possibility.

He asked the judge in NY to seal info about his finances...

Epstein survived and thrived because he was useful to people. Parties and sex was recreation to hi, but also a tool. he satisfied his own inclinations and he also was able to provide pleasurable experiences to his debauched, pervy friends. But I believe money laundering was his chief means of support. The man is loaded. YOU don't make money off pimping on the scale he has money. Ad if he ever did resort to blackmail it would be subtle. He'd do it through 3rd parties so he could remain "friends" and be your problem solver. Knowing people, collecting people was his special skill.

He's a shitstain

How the hell is Acosta still in office?

R556, There are more insidious charges against Acosta. I can't link the video as it's right wing. Made several months ago the authors don't favor Trump or Clinton but are most strident against Bush I.

Hoping & praying the slams against Trump not fulfilling his campaign promises to clean up the swamp of pedos and child pornographers and traffickers is not true.

Personally have known young Mexican women who've been trafficked into Los Angeles as sex slaves through underground tunnels. The majority of young children are not coming to the US with their immediate relatives and are often sold once they come to the US. This horrible situation has gone on since at least the 1950's.

[quote]How the hell is Acosta still in office?

Oh that one's easy. He knows too much.

New book “The Method to the Madness: Donald Trump’s Ascent as Told by Those Who Were Hired, Fired, Inspired — and Inaugurated” by Allen Salkin and Aaron Short includes an account from Italian entrepreneur Paolo Zampolli that he introduced Donald Trump to Melania during a fashion party.

After the New York Times reported this week that Jeffrey Epstein claimed to have introduced the Donald to Melania, the authors reached out to Zampolli, an envoy to the UN for Dominca, to see if Epstein had attended the fashion bash.

Zampolli’s response, in red capital letters, was “NO WAY.”

He called the idea that Epstein had introduced them “fake news. B S.”

Melania has said she met Trump at the Kit Kat Club during New York Fashion Week in 1998. Trump called accused pedophile Epstein a “terrific guy” in New York Magazine in 2002, but said this week at the White House, “I had a falling out with him. I haven’t spoken to him in 15 years. I was not a fan of his.”

(MR37) Thanks, but I don't want to subscribe to the Miami Herald.

(MR37) Thanks, but I don't want to subscribe to the Miami Herald.

(R47) Wife #2 was loaded - he did a FD!

R563 Please be respectful. We have strong reason to believe Meghan monitors these threads.

I also remember little girls from the detention camps being escorted to a "NYC orphanage" in the middle of the night. Why would they even be in NYC? I suspect this effort to separate the children from their parents (or adult escorts) was a concerted effort by Dumpster for child trafficking. If these pedos can't get their hands on white children from Russia, they'll get them from South America.

Wasn't there even an episode of L&O:SVU within the past year that hinted at what R563 is saying?

R565, sorry^^

Can't someone connect the dots between Dumpster, Acosta and Epstein? It can't be that difficult.

Trump and Epstein partied with 28 "young women." Acosta let Epstein walk with a non-prosecutorial deal. Acosta is Trump's Secretary of Labor. There, the dots are connected.

I'd like to quote Russian dictator please:

"Show me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are?" - Vladimir Lenin

Sickening way Epstein recruited vulnerable victims.

r568 ... and?

Trump = Teflon

Why aren’t any of these women who are accusing Epstein also accusing Trump or Dershowitz or naming other names? OK, it’s a given Epstein procured them, but who “did the deed”? THOSE are the names these women should be saying dammit.

BREAKING!!! Acosta is done. Trump just tweeted him out of office. No links yet

I think Acosta is toast, but there's nothing on Trump's twitter feed.

It's on CNN

MSNBC is reporting that Acosta is resigning.

I'm sure Trump thinks that by firing Acosta it will all go away. It won't.

"Trump told reporters Acosta is a “great labor secretary, not a good one," and added, Acosta did a “very good job.”"

Translation: "You're fired!"

Washington Post: Alex Acosta resigns as labor secretary amid intense scrutiny of his handling of Jeffrey Epstein case

Many on this thread have poo-pooed the idea that Epstein could have been blackmailing his "clients". Here’s a Twitter thread that explains just how he could have pulled it off.

According to CNN

Jeffrey Epstein allegedly hired private investigators and engaged in a campaign of intimidation against accusers in Florida.

R581 that thread sounds about right to me

R581 very enlightening on what "investment funds" really are.

I can certainly see Epstein doing something like that, r581. However, it still doesn’t explain where the bulk of his money came from.

It adds up real quick

Never knew Jeff Epstein had his fingers in the Interlochen pie. Figures...

Met a teacher from the institution once, weird af...

BBC documentary from 2018 -- Trump may have hosted cocaine parties in the 80s & 90s at his homes in NY & FL for middle aged men to have sex with underage models.

R15, etc. Clinton hasn't been accused of anything sexual thanks to his acquaintance with Epstein, whereas Trump supposedly had sex parties with him and Epstein met some of the underage girls he pimped out at Mar-A-Lago.

R573, ermmm maybe because they were only raped by Epstein? There was a girl who has accused Prince Andrew and Dershowitz. Can't remember her name, I think she's the one in the picture with Prince Andrew.

R563, what’s a FD???

I've been reading threads about this guy, and his vile planeloads of pedos bound for his private island, for years now. How did everyone here know about this before it was made public? I would hope anyone who was privy to this info tipped off the authorities.

R592.....we drink...and we know things...

He's probably the greatest con man in history!

He needs to take a number, r594

The timing of this Epstein arrest has me wondering: Why now? If he was such a central mover and shaker in this trafficking racket, and a probable blackmailer of high profile individuals who indulged their repulsive (and illegal) proclivities, that question remains. Why now? He's been at this for a long time. This whole racket has been going on (and has been under investigation or reported on) for a long time. Is he the big fish that others in this particular criminal realm are sacrificing to save their own hides? Is this a mutiny of sorts, a banding together against Epstein to scapegoat him, and if so, what's the underlying angle? The circles of power and money that Epstein traveled in (and serviced with the trafficking and money laundering or those he kept in check with blackmail) are powerful. So aside from the ugliness and horror associated with this whole mess, I want to suss out the real gambit at play.

I agree with your questions r596. There is way way way too much overlap with this creature and other VIP’s for this to be random timing. Why now indeed????

The timing could be what you speculated on — they’re throwing him away to protect themselves (Trump, Dersch, etc.).

OR, and of course I dare not get my hopes high, but the OR is that this is a huge piece of the Mueller/DOJ strategy to oust Trump. Though we all know the DOJ has been infiltrated by shockingly corrupt Directors, many of the key players/soldiers have held on to fight. It is not an impossible scenario. This could indeed be a surprise attack from those who oppose Trump. It is looking more and more like stories about Trump using girls with Epstein might become verified (cocaine parties with 28 girls and the two of them?????) Too lazy to pull up that screenshot of the testimony of Trump and Jeffrey fighting about “popping a cherry” but if that shit is true, it can only help us. *If* the Dems play this hand right.

If Dems knew this was coming (and why wouldn’t they) it would explain why Nancy has had to hold back her caucus too. I could be totally wrong, of course only time will tell us.

Well stated R596.

Perhaps Epstein's fervor to hide his financials - similar to someone else we all know - is a clue to what's going on.

Epstein's reported actions are horrifying, no doubt.

But all attention on this could easily become the Bread and Circus to distract from The Big Picture and What's Really Going On.

I hope you are right r597!

[quote]Why now indeed????

Because the Miami Herald's reporting over the last six months has made the case impossible to ignore -- and done a lot of groundwork for the Feds.

R596 I think the Miami Herald’s reporting had a huge impact on federal prosecutors, who do chase squeaky (public) wheels. It’s about the right period of time between when that reporting came out and when charges got filed, in terms of the work SDNY would have had to do. And the Miami Herald did that reporting because of the bravery of the victims who refused to give up their lawsuit trying to overturn the plea, and because of the new national prominence of Acosta, which was because of Trump. So you could also argue Trump may have dug his own grave, or that this is another example of Trump (inadvertently) fucking over anyone connected to him.