British Royal Family Gossip: Part 82

Meghan and Harry may have a Nannygate on their hands. Three nannies and counting for Archie so far.

I'll repost Royal Nannies - Past and Present.

I wonder who is leaking about the nannies.

At least, they can't accuse the Cambs.

Five key qualities for a great nanny according to the Nannytax blog.

1. PROACTIVE A great nanny will not simply rely on a to-do list from their employers but will go out of their way to make the employer’s life easier. Nannies need to be able to cope with unexpected situations, remain calm under pressure and know when and how to take action. Many nannies are involved in key learning curves in a child’s growth, perhaps it’s potty-training a toddler and in specific cases like this nannies should do their own research. Another great example of a proactive nanny is a willingness to take on extra childcare qualifications or courses they feel would be beneficial such as CPR and first aid training.

2. KIND Nannies must have a caring and compassionate nature and a level of emotional intelligence enabling them to provide emotional support when it’s needed. Nannies need to be able to pick up on any negative changes in a child’s behaviour and encourage a conversation to establish why this is– perhaps they are upset about something that happened at school or they are missing a parent who is away. Providing a nurturing environment for children and encouraging them to discuss any problems is vital for their mental well-being.

3. RESPONSIBLE A nanny is a very personal form of childcare, so nannies must be extremely responsible individuals their employers can trust. Nannies should strive to build close and trusting relationships with their employer and here a constant flow of communication is key. To ensure the children have structure and continuity, nannies should discuss a general daily routine with the parents from the offset and confirm the way certain things are carried out such as discipline or household rules. As well as running in sync with the parenting methods, nannies should remain highly-organised and always have the essentials at their disposal.

4. ENTHUSIASTIC A nanny should love their job! As well as keeping to the hours agreed in their contract and always turning up on time, a nanny should develop a fantastic relationship with the children as well as the parents – and not be itching to rush out the door as soon as mum or dad’s home from work! Having a positive attitude towards the job will be impressionable on the kids and encourage smiles and happy vibes all round.

5. FUN Saving some energy for fun activities as well as being funny and silly (in moderation!) is likely to be what the kids will appreciate most. Nannies should plan a mixture of creative and educational activities, whether it’s games, crafts or special days out (see our Top days out in London blog post!). A stimulating environment for children will help them thrive and ensure their minds are constantly developing.

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The alliterate former actress sent out invitations to only A+ list celebrities, including dozens she has never met before, in hopes of luring them to that life event she is hosting.

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Three Norland nannies dressed in uniform. Do these ladies look like they would take any shit from Duchess Yoko?

Why can't the dumb whore take care of her own baby? She can call Care.com to come stay with the kid if she has to go out for the evening and "stun" in her latest creation that looks like shit.

Meet Meghan Mackerel and Prince Herring.

It's interesting how resemblances emerge... I always thought (and still do) Prince Edward is a carbon copy of the Queen, facially.

From this angle, I see a lot of Charles.

Much was made of the resemblance between Prince Harry and Prince Philip, but I see a resemblance

between Harry and Charles as Harry ages... same small eyes

Meghan may join Harry for "star-studded" Lion King premier.

R15. Is there any doubt?

The mainstream media is taking a decidedly neutral, no-big-deal approach to the "private" event. Happens on Sat 6 July.

Roya Nikkah and the Times are PRESSED! Harry and Meghan are WINNING!

I doubt anyone actually cares if they see Archie arriving or departing the christening, but these two always manage to stir the pot.

They will do everything private so that the kid is not as screwed up as the parents. Fat fucking chance.

Must be really tough when nobody in your family immediate and extended likes your spouse. Thank God she came along just when she did. I'm in like Flynn, y'all.

LOL, R21.

Archie's christening photo.

Sophisticated parents of means in the US seek nannies who are bilingual in another language, primary Chinese, Spanish, or French. Studies show that if children are exposed to a second language at a young age, that they can learn to speak it like a native. Ivanka has a Chinese-speaking nanny for her kids, who speak fairly fluent Mandarin now.

I doubt Meghan would want a monolingual English nanny - that is not what is sought out in the US.

R22 Is Archie an albino?

How many of her A-list celebrity “friends” are going to stick around when it dawns on them that “friendship” with her is not going to buy them friendship with the Queen and Charles?

Bilingual nannies or au pairs can be tricky. Better to get the older ones than younger, attractive ones. An acquaintance of mine who is a doppelgänger of younger Helena Christensen, albeit more petite, found the perfect Italian nanny for her twins and older daughter. Two years later she and her husband are divorced mainly due to him saying he's not in love with her anymore. He's in finance so she got a nice settlement, but she found out her husband moved the 24-year-old Italian nanny into the formerly shared home just 2 months after the divorce finalized. He and the nanny both told the wife that their relationship didn't start until a month ago. Moral of the story, make sure the nanny isn't young and attractive, but I'm sure Meghan already knows that most men are only as faithful as their options. Harry seems like the type that would cheat due to boredom or just something to do. He's not very disciplined in other areas so why would he be in marriage?

You know...... It's actually rather sad. If you think deeply for even just a moment about the Diva Duchess, then you can quite accurately conclude that she gauges her self-worth through her association with notable people. She's a climber. The wedding guest list provides the evidence. All those celebrities with whom she had no prior relationship, and it certainly appears that she has no relationship with them today. Wouldn't a more self-respecting, sensible person say to herself "It would be really something to have Oprah Winfrey attend my wedding, but it also wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. We don't know one another." And then there's that crashing incident with Michelle Obama...... It's as if she's stating all the time with her actions "I've arrived." She'll never let anyone forget it. All those pictures showing her looking directly into the camera - I'm convinced that move was a most calculated one. She was looking THROUGH the camera and into the eyes of everyone she ever knew. I'd love to get inside her head.

She needs to harness every ounce of restraint and self-control, or develop it, and NOT appear at the Lion King premier.

R28, it would be very on-brand and on-trend, though. I'm not sure she can resist?

Oh, she's going to the fucking Lion King premiere. Don't even think otherwise. Please, you're deluding yourself if you think she's going to pass up the idea of getting papp-smeared by the London glitterati while she does the double-handed vice-grip hold on Dimwit's arm.

Please, she had like 10 of her oldest (college, or early struggling actress days) friends at the wedding, plus her mum, uncle and stepgrandmother were there, plus a British schoolgirl she met at a housing project and mentored (photos of the kid with Meghan in her wedding dress). And she and Serena have known each other for years and are evidently still close.

It’s only the Clooneys whose presence is trashy.

Meghan looked cute yesterday and it's good to see her and Harry all loved up. Looks like the haters aren't getting their way. Hilarious to see the angry Welp, Narc and Catherine trolls here raging. You all really thought she was heading for divorce. Nope. They'll probably have another two children in the next five years.

So much for Meg being this huge narc, too - even the Christening isn't public. They've said they want to bring Archie up as a private citizen. Not very narc-like. Meg ruined all your fun!

Princess Eugenie is married to her third cousin. I wonder what their children will look like.

Meghan did look cute yesterday, but she's still a narcissist.

R34, how come she isn't pushing Archie and herself into the limelight then? Answer me that.

R32 Oh dear you've never met a narcissist have you. What she is doings exactly what a narc would do, it's what she did when she had the baby too. It's all about controlling the image. She doesn't want unflattering photos taken and splashed all over the internet. She wants to keep people guessing about how many celebrities were there. She mainly doesn't want to papped walking beside willowy model like Kate, who looked like the Madonna with child at Louis's christening. For the official photos she can stick Kate at the back and MM can be front and centre. Most of all she doesn't want pictures of her with a screaming baby looking like she has no clue. He's probably not as cute as she wanted either, narcissists have very specific requirements of their kids appearance.

I'm not sure you quite understand the definition of a narcissist. It's not about seeking the limelight. It's about an elevated sense of importance. I believe that the Duchess has an extremely high opinion of herself and her worth.

R36 beat me to it

R31. If Me-again's uncle was at the wedding, why didn't he walk her down the aisle? Would have made more sense than what she did.

Why did the Prince of Wales walk heiress Alexandra Knatchbull down the aisle while her father, Lord Brabourne, was present at her wedding?

R29 - Della - I have to agree with R30. You would have to tie Meghan to the posts of Archie's Athens Luxury Cot Bed (a mere £1600, fit for a "private citizen" whose parents want him to have a "normal life") to keep her from showing up at this Afro-Centric fable and its glittering premiere clutching Harry for dear life. Remember where she's heading in October . . . what better way to show her solidarity? (With anyone except the British taxpayer, of course).

R31 - The Clooneys, Oprah, Gayle King, Michelle Obama, Idris Elba . . .

R37 - The inflated opinion of self in clinical narcissists is counterbalanced by tremendous levels of anxiety and an inability to see others as anything but reflections of their own value. They have exaggerated senses of how high they should be valued but that sense isn't rooted in a reasonable awareness of self. For this resason, they have a great deal of trouble with relationships because they require constant mirroring, like a small child. If the friend, lover, spouse, partner, or child deviates from the reflection the narc deems appropriate to support his/her view of himself/herself, the clinical narcissist becomes enraged and anxious and most of all, blaming and scathing. Diana was a classic example - constantly dependent on extern reinforcement. That's why her marriage collapsed so soon after the wedding: her dreams of a Fairy Tale Prince who spent 24/7 reinforcing her view of herself as the Ulitmate Beloved shattered in the light of cold reality, when they got up to Balmoral and protocols had to be obeyed that Charles had been following since he was a boy, and said FTP also wanted to write letters, read books, paint, fish, and courteously served his grandmother and mother (both anointed Queens) drinks before his new bride.

And Diana and Charles were putting up the More In Love Than Ever! front, too. Look at them in that first photocall by the River Dee after returning from what Tina Brown aptly called, "the Honeymoon from Hell". Who would have known?

I suspect Harry's marriage is going through similar throes behind the scenes.

I tend to think she's holding off unveiling the baby in a big way until fall - you know, the start of the season, the big Vogue issue. Summer is sleepy. Perfect for building suspense and maximum media attention.

I'm envisioning.... let's see. Black and white, or sepia. Outdoors. Meghan holding the baby to her breast, hair artfully full and a bit messy. Bit of skin showing, but not too much. Very artful, very Madonna and child. Both she and the baby have Zoolander expressions, mouths slightly open. ICONIC. Oh, and Harry will be in there somewhere, too. Family group, Meghan and Harry, eyes downcast , looking at the baby as they hold him. Very earthy. Then maybe some blurry shots of the little family in walking a field or something, from behind.

Ok, without casting doubt on the" narcissist" diagnoses - how did everybody become experts on narcissism in recent years? I mean, it's not something that was much talked about before recently. Now it's all you hear about.

R40. I don't know why, do you?

R45 - Oddly enough, it was Diana who brought the condition more to the fore. I'm sure it wasn't quite the "cause" she was interested in promoting, but it is an illness of sorts. It's not such a tough diagnosis from afar when someone generates as much coverage as Diana did, and there was a great deal of material written about her in which the term was openly used. Sally Bedell Smith's, "Diana in Search of Herself" was both honest and sympathetic and spoke about it. Once you spot it, it's also hard to unsee and all you have to do is look it up to get more info. Anyone who saw Diana's infamous "Panorama" interview could see without much expertise that she had serious emotional issues.

It's not much of a reach that at least one of her sons would be vulnerable to the type, and the amount of material out there now on Meghan also doesn't require expertise to add up.

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R36, well said.

I’m cracking up at her nanny problem. Three nannies in, what, six weeks?

I feel so sorry for poor Archie.

I want to believe the worst, but I'm not judging on the nanny thing. He's an infant, maybe too young to settle on THE nanny.

Oh please, r51. Are you for real?

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R40. R48. Perhaps Lord Brabourne's daughter, Alexandra Knatchbull, had Charles walk her down the aisle because the families are close, longtime friends )odd reason, but anyway...). Perhaps Charles offered. Perhaps Alexandra's father has trouble walking and thought it best not to do so. Perhaps it was just the prestige off it all. I don't know, but there could be any number of reasons. But one fact we know is: Alexandra's father did attend her wedding.

The difference between Alexandra and Meghan is that Meghan's father was not invited--or chose not to attend. Whatever the reason, it was presented as "Woah is Meghan, now she has no one to walk her down the aisle." During this whole ordeal, there was never a mention that Meghan's uncle was at the wedding--and that as her uncle (if in fact he was there, presumably he had know Meghan from the time she a young girl), he might have been an option. But Meghan (or someone, maybe it was the uncle himself) decided that the uncle was not going to be the one. So the whole sad story came out asking the question, "Oh dear, who will walk Meghan down the aisle?" It's always a big damn dramatic ordeal with this broad until lo and behold, Prince Charming/Charles came forward to walk her down the aisle--only partway. But as an independent woman, Meghan would walk herself halfway down on her own.

So I'm wondering, did all this aisle-walking drama happen at Alexandra Knatchbull's wedding? We'll never know. But probably not since Alexandra's father was there. But of course, it's usually the dramatic martyrdom of Meghan Markle that emerges so that she can illicit the maximum amount of public sympathy. And of course, it's a whole lot better image if the Prince of Wales walks you partway down the aisle than your own father who since then she's pretty ghosted. Please, Meghan Markle is friggin exhausting.

Woah, hold your horses, R54. R53 provided us with a link that explains why Charles stepped in for Lord Brabourne.

And woe betide anyone who suggests otherwise.

R52 I am for real. And who are you? What intimate access do you have? Oh. Right. None. Like all of us.

If any of you young’uns want to know what our first exposure to Prince Charles’ lovely new fiancé Lady Diana was like, here it is. We all thought, “Aw, she’s cute. So wholesome and ladylike. Shy Di!” NO inkling of the drama to come.

I’m no ME! lover, but you have to admit R54 that Pa and Sam were pretty disgusting with their tabloid and TV interview antics before and after the wedding. No small wonder why she’s ghosting them. Sam in particular seems like a wicked witch out of some fairy tale. Most people don’t go running to the press like that, once it’s in the press it’s there forever.

I think it's been established that Lord Brabourne was ill at the time, I'm not sure why anyone would care tbh, the Mountbattens and Windsors are cousins and close family friends and hang out with each other all the time. They are all descendants of Queen Victoria, Lord Brabourne is the godson of Phillip and a godparent of William.

If anyone is interested here is the long list of Victoria's descendants that was last updated in 2017

I think piercing Archie's left ear so young, as the earring at the christening plainly shows, was a bad idea. He's not a wee pirate bairn.

Well, to be honest I'm not sure if they've been able to fully research the duchess' family tree yet.

Here is the seating chart for the section of the church where family and close friends were seated at Harry and Meghan's wedding. You can clearly see Meghan had one family member there. If Meghan's uncle and step-grandmother attended the wedding, where were they seated and why weren't they in the family section? Wouldn't Doria want to have family there with her for support? Are there any pictures of the uncle and step-grandmother arriving? Of course not. They were not there.

It’s possible at least one of the nannies were meant to be temporary “night” nanny/helpers, although with their understandable privacy and security needs, you’d think they would look for an arrangement that didn’t include unknown people passing through like that.

On a related note, Barbara Barnes was William and Harry’s nanny in the early years.

Oh, the stories she could tell...

[quote] You know...... It's actually rather sad. If you think deeply for even just a moment about the Diva Duchess, then you can quite accurately conclude that she gauges her self-worth through her association with notable people. She's a climber. The wedding guest list provides the evidence. All those celebrities with whom she had no prior relationship, and it certainly appears that she has no relationship with them today. Wouldn't a more self-respecting, sensible person say to herself "It would be really something to have Oprah Winfrey attend my wedding, but it also wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.

That reminds me of something I read once where it said to invite super rich people to your wedding. None will attend, but their assistant (who probably handles their mail) might send a nice gift

They PIERCED little Archie’s ear???? What??

Pretty sure that is a troll post, R65.

That list is wrong R60. Louise Mountbatten was born an HSH and Princess of Battenberg, and died an HM as Queen Consort of Sweden. She was Lady Louise for just a short period.

That would be pretty funny if they did have Archie's ear pierced. Then he could wear some of Di's old earrings and Meg could put black and white pictures of just his bejeweled ear up on their IG.

R62. Thank you. Markle invited one family member. If there were others, we would have heard about them. I certainly didn't expect her to invite her half-sister, with whom there were differences. Was her father invited, disinvited or declined to attend? Who knows? Maybe she has a small family; maybe she didn't have anyone else to invite. But Clooney, Oprah, Gail King? These people are not her friends.

R40 Knatchbull's father ran off with a younger woman and abandoned her mother, as well as squanderlng a lot of the family money on his girlfriend.

Hence Papa Knatchbull was not asked to walk his daughter down the aisle.

I don’t see the eternity ring as a sign of Harry’s devotion, necessarily. I know others do, but eternity rings in the UK are seen as a bit naff. They are the kind of thing that Darren buys for Tracey at Elizabeth Duke - usually after he’s cheated.

I’ve also seen umpteen threads on places like Mumsnet where women have asked their husbands to buy one for an upcoming anniversary. And “push presents” aren’t really a thing either. That’s American.

I think it more likely that Markle simply asked for one. She’s all about the visible signs of love....anything that gets the Twitterati “awwing”.

And what man elects to change an engagement ring a year after the wedding? It wouldn’t occur to most blokes & I don’t see why Harry would be any different.

If there really are “birthstones” for the three of them on the underside of the eternity ring, then that’s Markle’s idea. I have never, ever met any man who gave a shit about such things.

So, I think it far more likely that she asked for the eternity ring - and helped design it - and told him to change the engagement ring too while he was at it.

Not suggesting this means he doesn’t love her - just that these rings smack more of “Whatever will make you happy, dear” rather than overwhelming passion to me.

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R53 See above

Daughter still very angry at father Knatchbull for abandoning her mother and squandering money.

Hold on. What? Euegnie McWeeney? You're making that up.

I would like to speculate on who's going to move into Kensington Apt 1, now that the Duke of Gloucester is moving out.

The link points out that his children no longer live there, so he has no need for the prestigious space. A new one is being renovated for him. Is it significant that he waited until the Sussexes have Toad Hall (as it would be grasping - even for Meghan) to ask for it now? Do you suppose it's to be a spot for HRH as a way to back out of Buckingham (but then wouldn't she rather be at Windsor)? Surely it's not for Charles and Camilla because they like Clarence House. It's probably a bit too much for Eugenie. Neither Anne nor Edward wants it.

Who's going to move in? Diana's ghost wants to know.

It's amazing, MM really has a knack for choosing the least flattering outfits, albeit it at high cost. The short sleeves on that Stella McCartney number make her look a metre wide, the belt is a horror showing you how big her hips and ass are, and showcases her fat rolls and back fat. The length of the dress emphasises her chicken legs in contrast to her wide, boxy body.

The Cambs are taking over apt 1, for offices and meeting rooms, didn't you know? They will then have a total of 41 rooms at KP.

R77, I did not. That's stunning. Source?

Princess Diana was born on July 1st on Canada Day.

R593 previous thread. Prince Michael was born only a month or so after George, Duke of Kent was killed in a plane crash during the Second World War. He’s a fair bit younger than Edward and Alexandra.

In fairness R76, I think given the shape of her body right now it would have been very difficult for MM to wear any outfit that didn't give the I'm-not-skinny-yet-and-the-remaining-chub-is-very-awkwardly-distributed game away. She had a choice between loose and flowing, which doesn't hide fat and often makes people imagine it's worse than it is, or form-fitting whilst grinning and bearing it.

I'm kind of fascinated by her lack of weight loss, actually. Not in a personal, ha ha, fuck her she's fat kind of way (it took me almost a year to lose my baby chunk), but just because I am so not used to seeing very famous women appear in public at a non-ideal weight. And given what I believe about Meghan, I cannot imagine it's easy for her to appear in public looking like that. I mean, there's no getting around chub for women. Everything else can be on point (and pretty much was for her on the baseball outing) but if you're chunky that's all that matters.

She must be breastfeeding (and her breasts did look very awkwardly padded), because nothing else could keep her from starving herself back to her old weight within a few weeks of giving birth. Prepare yourselves for the first outing when all the weight has been lost, too, because it is going to be smugtacular and I'm here for it.

I do wonder what Harry, deep in his heart of hearts, thinks and feels about this. It's not polite to talk about but we all know these two would never have fallen in love and gotten married if he wasn't an HRH or she wasn't hot (sorry, I don't like her but she is attractive). And I'm sure H. knows it's his job to support, say nothing about the lard etc. The fact remains, though, that I do not believe he is the kind of man to nobly choose to spend the rest of his life banging a non-ideal woman when he could still, even married, have his pick of almost countless young (non-maternal) hotties. I wonder how much a shock it was to see her transform so quickly from lithe sex kitten to swollen mommy?

I think R77 is right. Charles doesn't want to move into Buckingham Palace and when he becomes King. He doesn't think Buckingham Palace is good enough for him. He loves Clarence House and spent a fortune refurbishing it.

When Charles becomes King, William and Kate will have to really step up and become full time royals. They will need the space. Remember he will be taking over the Duchy of Cornwall and all the businesses it owns. Charles has about 100 employees

R81, I agree with your POV, but disagree about the breastfeeding. She's not doing it - if she were, she would've lost weight. She's way too heavy for a woman who is nursing successfully. It's one of the ways women lose weight fast after baby, but they get real hang-ups about it when it doesn't work out. Not the madonna and child image they pictured. It's probably chafing at her that by this point Kate was looking so slender. The comparison must be eating her up. Do you suppose the Cambs will even be at the private christening?

Why can't I find the link for Part 81 & Part 80? They don't even show up when I search?

R31 for your edification/information. Look at the link.

R81 Maybe he likes a big juicy booty!

Is anyone else here firmly aboard the 'MM is a shameless, deeply basic attention whore' train whilst also being of the opinion that it has never been her intention to bail on the BRF or her marriage? Am I the only one?

And how has no one here called out our Basic Kween over the copper bathtub? Freestanding copper bathtub, no less? A bathtub that will, in a mere 5 or so years, scream "I was purchased in mid-2019 by a Rich Basic." My basic aunt has spent the past 2 years outfitting her kitchen with as many copper accents as possible. If I didn't imagine it I am pretty sure the last time I was there her fucking Vitamix had a copper base. Or was it her never-used Kitchenaid stand mixer? It was one of the 2.

But back to Megs. Y'alls keep calling her a narc etc. (and I think you may be right, but I'm no doc and I don't really care if she's diagnose-able or not) and then speculating that she's after $$$. Nah. This bitch is after status. Prestige. The feeling of being Looked Up To as a chic and fashionable humanitarian. The high of being better than other people. The marriage to harry, the HRH before her name - those were the goals, not the stepping stones to the goals. Imo, anyway. Which is why watching her this past year has been so amusing. She got what she wanted. She won. All she needs to do now is basically what she's told. But she cannot seem to get out of her own way. This latest news about the private christening (you guys, NO WAY this was mandated by the queen or the grey men) coming on the heels of the news about the cost of the Frogmore renos is so perfectly Meghan.

I don't think the marriage will last (but I don't think it's going to end within the next couple of years - I give it 4-6 years), but I don't think it's going to be Meghan's conscious doing. Or something she planned. No way.

R87 - you said it here "All she needs to do now is basically what she's told. But she cannot seem to get out of her own way."

She can't stop stepping on her own dick.

R83 How would you know that she's not breastfeeding? Have you ever given birth? R81 said that it took her a year to lose her baby weight.

R89 How do you know she IS breastfeeding? You don’t....no one does. Therefore all opinions are valid.

The fact that she’s recently had her face stuffed with filler & botox suggests to me that she isn’t. But I don’t know.

If you can’t cope with other people expressing an opinion, then why are you on a gossip thread?

R89, because women who've devoted their lives to being thin will try to be thin. And the easiest way to lose weight after having a baby is breastfeeding. But Meghan is still fat. So the thing that would do the most to make her thin isn't working.

I find it refreshing that she hasn't starved herself to lose the weight. And that she's going out in public looking less than ideal. I'm sure she'll get rid of it over the next few months. Then, she can spin it that "it's more important to be happy than trying to impress people". It might be a backhanded compliment to Kate. And of course, after the divorce, she can publish her book on weight loss.

They posted their monthly instagram post with links to charities about environmentalism. One of the links leads to Leonardo DiCaprio's foundation. (I'll bet she's dying to meet him.) Two IG posts in a row have now described her and Harry as "shining a light" on a cause. How very nice of them to share their light.

Breastfeeding uses at least 500 extra calories a day, it is indeed a weight loss aid.

R92, her PR already put out stories a week or more ago that she thinks it is important not to rush to lose the weight, yadda, yadda... Think they claimed she was doing yoga outside in Windsor.

I do feel bad for the baby. They can sense emotions and there must have been a lot of negativity around for trained nannies to bail in such number so quickly.

R90 Opinions aren't facts. Do you have proof that she had fillers and botox? I remember some idiot on DL who probably had very little or no contact with pregnant women mentioned that Kate had fillers while she was pregnant with Louis. Kate's face was a little chubby at the time because she had gained weight during her pregnancy.

R89 The time needed to lose weight postpartum varies from woman to woman, but many nursing mothers report that breastfeeding helped them regain their pre-baby figure more quickly.

However, many others either notice no effect or even gain weight while breastfeeding.

Not to befoul the thread with talk of my gross lady body, but R81 here and I breastfed that little milk vampire for over a year before I lost all the baby weight (about 40 lbs total). It was in no way a magic weight loss solution for me. In fact I remain convinced I could have lost it much faster without breastfeeding, because I'm very impatient and would just have very inadvisably starved myself for a couple of months to get it over with. The doctor specifically warned me not to cut calories.

And that said, I have a friend whose baby seemed to suck all the extra fat off her bones within 2 months of giving birth, the lucky bitch.

What I'm saying is I don't think there's a standard "bfing = automatic weight loss" rule. Please don't call me a cunt.

Can we get to the divorce or at lest a cheating scandal with either Dimwit or ME soon? I am so thoroughly enjoying the BRF Gossip threads, but if ME is going to be "private," I worry that thread may not be sustained for long. Whoever came up with the idea of one thread that covered all the BRF gossip is brilliant. Yes, I have too much time on my hands, and I'm so disgusted with Trump that this thread is a great diversion.

Maybe Andrew and Sarah will eventually remarry to keep us all busy DL for some time to come. I love Fergie. She was fun, and now she does so many charity events it's hard to keep up. But this Markle girl is clearly not fun. She's exhausting and just so unpleasant.

Ha ha, R97 - same. When the Mueller report came out and basically fuck all happened, I had been hype for so long I suddenly just collapsed with 'news and caring about news' exhaustion (it's a thing). Since then my news consumption has been very light. Also, since then, I seem to have adopted the BRF as my "safe online gossip space." Every single one of them is rich beyond my wildest dreams with access to the best of everything. I don't have to actually get invested in a serious way.

I agree with R84.

We don't know and we can't know if she's a narc but it's obvious the HRH feeds her already huge ego. You must have this kind of ego to have the TIG while you're some d-list actress in a shitty show.

She sees herself as Angelina Jolie, the other Basic KWEEN celebrated by Celebitchy.

She wants the peasants approval and admiration, she wants to show off how superior she is. She wants to be talked about even negatively because it feeds her ego: "Me the woke Kween against the racist World".

She controls her image with Instagram and controls Harry, therefore the money.

She has what she wanted, she gonna divorce soon enough and realize she's the new Fergie.

SooooOOOOO sick of the "privacy" line. Reminds me very much of the Jolie-Pitts. They were exactly the same way, bleating about media intrusion and Muh Privaceeeee whilst at the same time posing on the cover of People with newborn Shiloh and papstrolling the whole fam when positive publicity was needed.

If MM truly wanted to be private, she wouldn't have presented her baby to the media in a castle. She wouldn't have posted teaser shots of his feet and upper face (whilst winsomely clutching daddy's finger) on her social media accounts. You just - you don't get to do both of those things. You can whine about privacy and your deep and abiding need for it OR you can post your baby on your IG account and present him to the world in the middle of Windsor castle. You can't whine about privacy AND post your baby on your IG account and present him to the world in the middle of Windsor castle.

I await more new of the nannies leaving, too, and do suspect (and hope) there is more to come. It's actually a really juicy story, it just got kinda shunted to the aside with the baseball outing and the news today of the christening being private.

And speaking of nannies, all of whom almost certainly sign iron clad NDAs in their own blood, I've heard people here talking about MM's 'NDA' and wondered about that. Why would anyone assume she had signed an NDA? Why would she? If her marriage to harry doesn't work out and they divorce, she has even less reason to sign an NDA at that point. Do you know the kind of bank she could make selling a book about her time in the BRF? Fuck, I would buy that shit and I can't stand her!

R84. You said you couldn't find the previous threads: British Royal Family Gossip 80 and 81. Well here's 80, and if I find 81, I'll post that on the next response

R84. And here's British Family Gossip 81:

R95 Her face is proof, dimwit. Pregnancy weight gain does not make it impossible to stretch your face into a smile.

No, opinions aren’t facts. This is not a thread about “facts”. And Kate probably has had some botox &/or fillers. She just doesn’t overdo it like Markle does

[quote] I find it refreshing that she hasn’t starved herself to lose the weight

How do you know she hasn’t? Starving yourself is not a good way to lose weight & if her body has changed shape (and it looks like it has) there’s not a lot she can do.

Anyone who thinks she’s sitting around like a fat, contented cow without obsessing about her body & how she’ll look in photographs is as deluded as her brainless husband.

How do you know she hasn’t?

I think the “privacy” business is coming from Harry, not Markle. She may be paying it lip service but she’d give her (fake) eye teeth to have (black and white) pics of her gazing at the second coming all over the media.

And I think Harry’s “desire for privacy” is more of a two finger salute to everyone for sniggering over his bizarre choice of wife. I think he’s angry, angry, angry...and this is how it’s manifesting itself.

R104 Very insightful. That reconciles quite a bit. He's "protecting" her (and his vision of her - the perfect, imaginary Meghan he fell in love with). The world isn't seeing her the way he wants, any more than his friends and family did. So he's cutting them out - media, longtime pals, brother, it doesn't matter. This is visceral protection, like his mother needed.

He doesn't get that he's fighting her too. She craves attention, craves the spotlight. She's convinced she can spin it in her favor, and would rather have any publicity than none.

Their goals are at oods.

(at ODDS - typo)

No one really cares about the christening. The real interest is who are these beanbags going to choose for godparents--that's the gossip, not the kid of whom we will barely get a glimpse. Will Bea, Eug or Zara get the nod? One of Harry's aristo mates? William? One or two of her D-list friends who really aren't friends? Does she have the balls to ask Amal Clooney who she hardly knows, but who she thinks she knows?

That's the story not the kid who she (or he) doesn't want to show to anyone, so fuck them. I could care less about getting a glimpse of an unrecognizable infant.

I posted yesterday about Elton John being a possibility, he's leaving a massive wedge of his cake to his current 10 godchildren. And MM loves the cake.

The christening story has started to take another turn, Archie will not get christened at St Georges Chapel, now, despite MM saying it was special and full of sentimental feeling *yawn*.....

He will now be christened in the Queen's own private chapel at Windsor.

I'd think that she was trying to put people off the scent, but a quick check does reveal that nothing private is happening at St George's at the weekend. All services are as normal.

Why so many stories ? Is it ALL about chaos and confusion with her? How can anyone live like that? Especially someone who pretends to be so mindful.

Because incertitude = guessing game = more press.

R105 Your comment about how Harry and Meghan’s goals seem are at odds reminded me of this quote:

“Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction.” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Markle thinks all this privacy only heightens our interest to see the kid. She's wrong. Were we all dying to see Charlotte or Louis as infants? Mildly, but not really. Okay, George probably was of interest, but he's heir to the throne.

All this bullshit about privacy is just that--bullshit. As for wanting privacy for herself, she doesn't have a choice and she doesn't want it for herself anyway. In a few months, she will be a working royal, and she will be photographed and we will be seeing her whether she likes it or not--and of course she likes it. And whether it's cruel or not, her every move will be critiqued. And as she becomes even more and more Goop-ish, she will be a target for criticism.

Bad news for Charles as his expenses come under more scrutiny.

Swipe to the second frame for the video. There's a longer one about somewhere, too. No reaction from Markle at all to a crying baby. Absolutely nothing.

The longer version of the video highlights it better, if anyone comes across it.

This privacy story is just like Harry's letter against the racist press harassing poor Flower when no one knew they were dating.

It's the self-aggrandizement shit her sugars adore, like all the rock star rhetoric or the fact the Australian Tour was "a huge success".

You have to be pretty gullible to believe any Royal can have a rock star status, minus Diana but Di was unique.

"Michael Rubens Bloomberg[1] KBE[2] (born February 14, 1942) is an American businessman, politician, author, and philanthropist. As of April 2019, his net worth was estimated at $62.1 billion,[3] making him the 6th-richest person in the United States and the 9th richest person in the world. He has joined The Giving Pledge, whereby billionaires pledge to give away at least half of their wealth.[4] To date, Bloomberg has given away $8.2 billion, including his November 2018 $1.8 billion gift to Johns Hopkins University for student aid — the largest private donation ever made to a higher education institution.[5]" (Wiki)

Markle wants some of that Giving Pledge. What other reason would she support/follow/shine her bloody light him, this month?

Help me out, US DLers, more info on this guy, please.

light ON him ^^^^

R116, what info do you want on Mike Bloomberg? There’s a ton out there. He likes Bermuda and bacon. He was a good mayor, IMO. He’s bisexual, “into being dominated”, according to gossip. He puts his money where his mouth is. Trick or treaters to his mansion on Halloween get a full-size candy bar. He’s a grand philanthropist.

Her uncle and stepgrandmother were photographed at the wedding, plenty of pics of them online. The wedding guest list was never released to the press or public so any list in the press is pure speculation. Did you not notice that if you watch the TV footage of the arrivals there are African American people arriving who the TV hosts ignore and don’t name? Because they had no idea who they were or what Meghan’s friends and family look like.

Amazing how every single male celebrity is married to a “narc” isn’t it. Thank God the middle aged Tumblr fraus are on the case!

Thanks R118, I'll have a look through, he sounds interesting. I'm trying to work my way through the new list of people and causes Sussex Royal are supporting.

I see that Greta Thunberg, who we had a thread within a thread on, is also there.

I’ve never seen anyone run through three nannies in six weeks. That’s hilarious.

Not for the poor baby, though. He’s going to be a neurotic mess.

If Meghan were not half (one quarter?) black Harry would never have given in to her claptrap. He misunderstands why people liked his mother and wants to emulate it. He liked Meghan's genetic blackness but needed her to play white. He's trying to play the SJW game - when he doesn't even know how to play the BRF game because he's been so ultra-coddled after his mother's death.

He's really lost, isn't he?

Nice visiting-the-school working dress on Sarah.

R119 How do you know all the black people at the wedding were African American? Did you hear them speak? Were they wearing Stars & Stripes hats? There are black Brits too, you know...and Harry has spent enough time in Africa to have made friends there.

Given all the hoo ha about Markle not having family there, if she did then I am pretty sure her PR company would have made sure everyone knew that.

R120, a family member works for him, and has traveled to South Africa twice in the last year or so. Some environmental initiative. I’ll ask exactly what; I’d imagine the Harkles want to forge an alliance ($$$), especially if they’re going to be exiled there.

I’d guess that’s why she’s brown-nosing.

R123, I thought the dress was good on Fergie, too. Appropriate and nice colors for her.

R119 So every black people are African-Americans. British black people don't exist in your world I guess.

Oh, and journalists knew every fucking name of every fucking person invited, so they carefully avoided to mention Meghan's family.

And of course, her PR would never ever mention her AA family in a wedding ceremony with AA choir and a AA pastor.

You're not so much better than the crazies who think Archie is a doll.

The Crowns of Britain blog is back with an (at times, hilarious) update.

Dunno where 118 get his information from, but there's nothing I've heard about Bloomberg being Bi.

What I DO know is that he had marijuana deliveries made to 79th st during his mayorship (mayorality?).

And I have the number of his supplier.

I have a gossip confession to make. A gossfession, if you will.

I haven't watched the engagement interview of Meg and Haz. You see, I'm very sensitive to cringe - my own and that of others. Some of the gifs I've seen seem to be heavily cringe. So I ask you, fellow DLers - should I watch it? Should I watch it only through cracked fingers? With sound or without? Or should I, in the interest of not breaking any of my own bones when the cringe kicks in hard, forgo the whole thing?

I read the blog entry R128 and the rubberiness of the falling bananas has unnerved me.

R130 Of course you should, it's always less embarrassing than watching Ivanka trying to chat with officials.

It took me seeing that headline/story (Ivanka trying to chat with the grown-ups) 3 times yesterday before I had the courage to click on the video. Brrrrrrrrrrrr... oh god. It was bad. I'm having a cringeflashback now. Perhaps I will force myself to watch the engagement interview. If it's longer than 4 mins I don't think I can do it.

Do we think Smugs will ever wear a tiara again?

The Queen will NEVER invite her to a tiara-wearing-affair.

EVER.

Just to assuage the Megstans: She was never invited to the State Visit, because she is being Phased Out.

She can't be trusted to make the obligatory small talk that goes with donning a tiara.

(R124) - exactly. The media are nothing if not thorough and would have gone after that story like a dog with the proverbial. In all the mentions of Doria being on her Pat Malone at the wedding, not one member of the media on either side of the camp thought to check out this mystery pair? That would have been huge grist for their mills, and they would have fallen over themselves in their efforts to contact these people. As to the guest lists (R119) they have been freely available online for a while now, although not every single person got a mention. I think that 119 fell for the twitter post which had no supporting evidence and no citations.

"Princess Diana and Charles’ honeymoon room trashed after argument, Churchill said. "

I love the thought of Johnnie Spencer being "proud as a little turkey cock."

R130 block every available orifice if you decide to watch the interview.

Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent, and her final Wimbledon.

Please, there were 600 guests and only maybe 50 have ever been identified by the press. The only “lists” online are from royal watchers and they only identify famous people, the RF has never released any list.

Post a link to a list containing 600 names, go on! That’s the only way to prove or disprove who was there.

No one knew the high school girl had been there until she posted the Jnstagram photo of herself with Meghan in her wedding dress.

R140 Please prove that Markle had more than one family member there. And “See?.......Black people!” won’t do.

You’re right. No guest list was published. So where are you getting your imformation?

Sparkle LeMarkle is tragic and unfortunate looking r81. She has balls, I'll give her that but she has never given off anything close to sex kitten vibes. Burger grilling anyone??

The start of yet another bad week for the Harkles.

The Royal Family Is Getting Increasingly Expensive For UK Taxpayers [Infographic].

Comments at the article R144 posted

This article is interesting, and it's the second such article I have read??? The article is blaming Harry for the bad PR decisions. Apparently Meghan is blameless? If that is true then why did these bad PR decisions begin after the arrival of Media Meghan and not before? Is this a new Meghan PR ploy to improve her image by blaming the disasters of her first year of marriage/being royal on her husband?? MM is consistent if nothing else - eventually she throws everyone under the bus! What a piece of work!

They want it both way - doing their own "thing" and still keep the titles, carriage rides, tiaras and the money! I think it's time the RF step in and cut some of the royal perks before the public cuts the entire RF's perks!

Link does not work, R145.

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Oh, thanks R147, I'll screenshot it.

Prince Andrew wishes Canadians a Happy Canada Day with photos of him touring the country over the years. Andrew went to school in Canada as a teenager.

Meghan has lost her (metaphorical) grip on Harry, r146. The ballpark outing was supposed to quell rumors of discord after the TTC, but other than playing 'happy husband' while out on the field Harry pretty much ignored Meghan and did not meet her eye no matter how many times she tried to engage him. Remember last year he was the one always trying to catch Meghan's eye and accommodate her needs. Harry's been the popular scamp all his life and is probably reeling that he is no longer so beloved and that his wife is not accepted in most corners. He has probably begun to focus the blame on her. Meghan, in turn, will put out PR placing the blame for their unpopularity on him.

The Royal Family Is Getting Increasingly Expensive For UK Taxpayers [Infographic] - FORBES

On this day, Diana Frances Spencer was born in 1961.

Oh bloody hell, I'll try this Forbes article again, lol.

Part 1.

Diana's fashions.

Part 2.

Part 3.

An Eighties-tastic shot of Diana and Fergie skiing. That pink and turquoise color combination was all the rage.

Charles and Camilla's post with photos for Canada Day.

Has it been officially confirmed that the christening is on the 6th of July? What prior engagement does HM have that day that she can't attend?

William and Kate's post for Canada Day.

Sussex Royal post for Canada Day. A word salad that states "it's all about THEM".

There has been no official announcement about the christening from Buck Palace at all.

It was previously reported that the Archbishop of Canterbury was supposed to be baptising him, but he’s in York over the weekend attending the Church of England General Synod.

Hard to believe that Diana would only be 58 today had she lived. Hopefully she’d have aged better than her ex-husband has. Charles is the oldest 70 year old I’ve seen.

The two of them were ill-matched in so many ways.

That Canada Day post is just cringeworthy. Me, me, me!!

A sad Diana. I wonder what her life would have been like if she had lived. Another marriage, more children, another divorce??? Who knows.

Swipe for some lovely photos of Diana.

Photos of the future King Edward VIII (aka Duke of Windsor) at his Prince of Wales investiture. What a pretty little man he was.

Princess Margaret's grandson Charles Armstrong Jones, Viscount Linley turns 20 years old today. Here are some photos of him. He looks like his father David, Earl Snowdon while his sister Margarita resembles her mother Serena.

Richard Palmer is talking about the controversy surrounding the christening....and look at this.

"Royal biographer Penny Junor believes it’s a mistake, especially after Harry and Meghan spent £2.4m of taxpayers’ money on renovating Frogmore Cottage. She also believes it’s a further sign that Archie will never be given a royal title, even when Charles is King."

Junor is Charles' trusted biographer, and quite a mouthpiece for him.

No title, ever?

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R174 It will be very hard for them to insist that Archie is a “private citizen” now but suddenly a prince once his grandfather is king.

Of course the pair of them are monumental hypocrites so I wouldn’t put it past them.....but as it stands now, I don’t see how Archie could ever be known by a title.

As a Canadian I'm genuinely surprised to see all the Canada Day posts from the royals on IG. Who knew they cared about us savage colonials? I suppose we are the 'good' child, though - at least in comparison to the much more republican-leaning Australia. Not sure why that is, but for as long as I've been alive the thought of booting the BRF just hasn't been one many of us have had. Not that Canadians seem to think about the RF very much, it's not something that ever comes up in conversation, but the underlying feeling does seem to be more of a "well why change things/having friends is good" here vs the as-mentioned more intense republicanism in AUS.

R176 - Archie actually already has a title, his parents have just decreed that he won't be "using it". He is, in fact, the Earl of Dumbarton; that his father's secondary title, and as the first son, Archie gets it until Papa is raptured, when Archie will succeed to the title of Duke of Sussex. Without the HRH, Archie still counts as a commoner, and succeeding to the ducal title is probably a very, very long way off.

So this rich titled little boy, whilst still a commoner, definitely counts as an ariso, and his parents have no right to insist that he's a private citizen unless and until not one penny of public funding supports one iota of what is likely to be an extremely upscale life, which is why his mother married his father, to ensure that her children would live exactly such a lifestyle, but not on any monies she had to bust her arse for.

Private citizen my own arse.

I'm never sure how serious the posters are when they talk about Meghan writing the IG captions - but she does, doesn't she? Either that or they've hired someone who is a perfect mimic of her 'voice.' From the Canada Day post:

"Canada is a very special place for both The Duke and Duchess. The Duke has been fortunate to visit the country several times throughout his life, including as a young child and most recently for the Invictus Games in 2017, where the now Duchess joined him to lend her support."

Talk about shoehorning. "...where the now Duchess joined him to lend her support." She's inserting herself into what is already an insertion of another topic (Invictus Games) into the ostensible main topic (Canada Day). Insertionception with Meghan Markle. Huge chunks of that account are literally indistinguishable from parody.

She really doesn't see how she comes across, does she? She doesn't. And it boggles my mind.

R176 - Oh, and there is no guarantee that when Charles becomes King, Archie will suddenly be parading around as Prince Archie. Edward declined a ducal title when he married, opting for the lesser Earl of Wessex title, despite which his children, as grandchildren of the Sovereign in the male line, are also automatically designated as HRHs. But they haven't and won't ever use the title, and my guess is, neither will Archie. By the time that rolls around, Charles will smoothly let the Sussexes know that just like his brother Edward's children, Archie will continue to be "known and styled as" Earl Dumbarton.

And if Charles dies before the Queen does and never becomes King, Archie will never even see that unused HRH. Of course, if Meghan had behaved herself and not been so petulantly and obdurately deteremined to stick two fingers up to the BRF and start using them to promote herself and her personal agenda, the Queen might have issued Letters Patent before Archie was born giving him an HRH.

But as she has had on at least two documented occasions had to rebuke either Harry about Meghan's attitude or Meghan herself directly about her attitude, never mind the endless reports of staff abuse, the astronomical wardrobe costs, the PR missteps, the rudeness toward the Cambridges, etc., Meghan undoubtedly persuaded the Queen that the less fuel to Meghan's delusions of grandeur, the better.

>>where the now Duchess joined him to lend her support<<

This bitch is so incredibly full of herself it beggars belief.

Photos of Kate at Hampton Court today.

R178/R180 It doesn’t work like that.

Archie is entitled to be a Prince when Charles accedes. It’s written into the law. His parents can decide on his behalf not to style him that way, but he can overrule them as an adult. Louise & James could use their HRHs if they want to and Edward could change his mind tomorrow and style them differently.

Titles like that are their right by birth and a letters patent would have to be issued to stop them using them.

I suspect what Penny Junor is saying is that Harry & Meghan may not style Archie as a prince when Charles is King not that Charles will refuse to let them as he would have to change the law to stop them.

Not sure what happens if Charles dies before HM & is never King.

A video of Kate with the children.

Kate in the Hampton Court garden.

She's in good spirits.

Archie doesn't need no royal title.

He will be known as the Prince of the Sunset Strip, cruising around in whatever great convertible that his Pa buys him.

I bet he goes to Crossroads for High School - it's full of offspring of celebrities and other wealthy Angeleno families. Same price as Eton and same cache to the royalty of Los Angeles.

He can always buy a title from ZaZa's husband, Frédéric Prinz von Anhalt, who has already adopted a number of adults and bestowed titles upon them.

The Hampton Court event today.

Interesting comment from Penny Junor and one I'm surprised none of us here thought of first re: Archie never getting the HRH. I mean, having it planned that way. I will never believe that Meghan wouldn't have snatched that HRH for her son out of the Queen's hands and clutched it tightly to her chest.

But Harry? I have no trouble believing he may feel genuinely ambiguous or even leaning negative over it. He famously hates the media he blames for his mother's death (probably in part because that's an easier option than looking at his own family members - and I don't mean that they killed her, just that they played a role in the turmoil of her life) and, although not at all without many faults, famewhoring has never been one of them. Harry has never done anything to make me think he enjoys being famous. I'm more than sure he enjoys the perks of being royal, the luxury, the servility of the peasants etc. But the fame part? Nah.

If someone told me Harry was against his son getting an HRH I could believe it. Meghan? No. But I also think if she has even 3 braincells to rub together she knows better than to defy him on something like this, a topic he is almost certainly very emotional about.

This person has spoken.

A video of Kate's arrival at Hampton Court. The first woman's curtsey looks like her foot got stuck and the second curtsey was anemic. The bow was much better.

This man was in the right place at the right time.

Kate's outfit today.

R164 - 6 July is completely empty for all members of the BRF in the Future Engagements calendar on the BRF website. Not one event for one family member is listed. It has already been announced that the Queen won't attend due to other official engagements, but there are none listed for 6 July, the announced date of the christening.

I wonder if they changed the date hastily so that the Queen could attend, and up the PR optics for themselves. That said, it was already announced that the Queen would not be attending, and it's very rare for the Palace to change something like that at the last moment where the Queen is concerned. The Cambridges were always expected to attend - no matter the ill-will between the brothers, and William's intense dislike of Meghan, not attending his brother's first child's christening, especially if the Queen were not attending, would be letting the family side down too dramatically.

The Archbishop of Canterbury not performing the baptism would also be unusual - not that the Dean of St. George's is small potatoes, but if the Archbishop isn't there, it's another "less than" sticker on Archie.

Of course, Meghan may have lost the Archbishop, too, when she had one of her anonymous "friends" talk about how "close" she and the Archbishop were becoming in that awful PEOPLE Magazine article to demonstrate how deeply spiritual and close to God Meghan is.

Yes, we know that Archie will be "automatically" entitled to that HRH once Charles accedes. But as you point out, so were Edward's two children the minute they were born.

The Sussexes have pretty much already made it next to impossible to accept that HRH on Archie's behalf with their "private citizen/normal life" grandstanding. If he's not using Earl Dumbarton, it would be comical if he tried to start swanning about as HRH Prince Archie.

And I wouldn't put it past Charles to issue the Letters Patent announcing that Archie will continue to be styled and titled Earl Dumbarton, and in due time, succeed to his father's ducal title.

What I'm curious about is, and don't have an answer for, is if once Archie becomes Duke of Sussex, does that carry an automatic HRH or not? Harry was born an HRH and didn't need the ducal title to obtain one - the ducal title became a royal ducal title by virture of Harry being an HRH. But if Archie succeeds to the title without an HRH, does he become a "regular" Duke ("Your Grace") or a "royal" Duke ("HRH")?

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Harry and Meghan's virtue signaling and hypocritical IG account has created a lightening rod for the media and invited even more scrutiny and criticism of the BRF's travel and spending. I don't understand how the Queen or Charles thought it was a good idea to let them have it.

Meghan will only leave if/when the marriage becomes unbearable. I'm not sure she would turn a blind eye if Harry cheated.

Kate in the garden with a little girl.

Diana was sad even as a child.

R130, you must watch the engagement video. It's not cringey cringe, it's funny. Like reading Tig posts is funny. You needn't be embarrassed for her--she's totally in her element and oozes cat who got her cream. Why would you want to miss out on the "is he kind?"

The Earl and Countess of Wessex pay their first visit to Forfar since they became The Earl and Countess of Forfar in March this year. Swipe for photos.

Take a closer look at the first and fifth pic of R197's post ... is it just the cut of the dress creating a bump in the nether region or is this an upcoming baby bump?

R155 Not that Howard Stern is any kind of expert on human relations, but years and years ago I remember hearing him say something about celebrity divorces that I always remembered and still find interesting. He said when things go awry in a celebrity’s life or career, what they do is, they look around at the people surrounding them and that’s who they blame and often jettison.

Oh that video is indeed cringeworthy to the extreme. She's so far out of her depth it's embarrassing. At her age to boot.

What video are you referring to, r203?

R201 well in a couple of shots, Kate seems to be sticking her stomach out. In fairness, we'd be roasting Meghan for that. And I'm pretty sure we will be, in the coming year.

Princess Beatrice's boyfriend Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi likes Yael Cohen Braun Instagram post calling Taylor Swift a bully.

Spill the tea, Mozzi.

R205, I wouldn't mind neither Kate nor Megs sticking their bellies out a bit. (With Kate, it seems to be a minor posture problem.)

Megsy's habit of incessantly cradling the baby bump was annoying as fuck though.

R206 I bet Bea has great gossip. The dual pipelines of “B-list British royal” and “friend of Karlie Kloss” means she probably has the goods on everything from her family to the Trumps to Hollywood to music people like Taylor.

QE2 said no to attending Archie's christening so Meghan, being the raging narcissist that she is, tried to save face by turning it into a private affair. You think she'd miss the opportunity to be photographed next to the Queen? Remember, this is someone who's taken to using HRH and her title (referring to herself in 3rd person if rumors are to be believed) like fish to water. Yet we're supposed to believe that she doesn't want Archie to have a title?

Thumbing her nose at taxpayers while she's sucking at their teats, and yes it's deliberate not 'oh poor Meghan and her missteps trying to fit in with BRF'. She know this but doesn't give a fuck because she's special. Since I see that many here are again posting reasons why they think Meghan is a narcissist, I'll list all the criteria (aside from interview) that goes into making the diagnosis using DSM-5 (the bible that we in mental health use to make diagnoses). The person with NPD has a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, it begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of contexts. We diagnose NPD when there is preponderance of clinical criteria, often they're supported by associated features that each of these 9 criteria emphasizes. But they're too technical and tedious for me to go over each one so I'll just list the 9 criteria in the simplest terms as stated in DSM-5, taking into account that we actually also interview the patients before we make psychiatric diagnoses. But since this is a gossip thread where Meghan's personality is discussed (I guess it all started with Diana's postmortem borderline personality diagnosis) then I think a little education is warranted, might as well discuss it within a realistic construct. Diagnosis of NPD is met when a person has 5 or more of the following 9 criteria:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate accomplishments

2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with other special or high-status people/ institutions

4. Requires excessive admiration

5. Has a sense of entitlement (i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations).

6. Is interpersonally exploitative (i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends).

7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.

9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.

I have Meghan positively scored in criteria 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9. I'm giving her a pass on the others because the public/ secondhand supported instances don't jump out at me unlike the ones scored as positive. Cluster B personality disorders like borderline, narcissist, histrionic, etc...are the worst because there are no meds to treat them, only lots of psychotherapy and hope that family/ friends would help their loved ones deal with having functioning relationships/ lives.

Why are the insane Meghan conspiracy posts all so damn long. Some of you make her sound like an evil genius. She was an F-list celebrity, not Dick Cheney.

Smart LA girl. Secured the bag. Laid a golden egg, now onto second golden egg.

Many years ahead of her of good living/no work regardless of divorce - due to nice child support.

While most of you slave away at nine to fivers.

R211 LA girl gets the golden egg, has her pre-golden egg life examined due to present cunty, ungracious behavior

Many years ahead of her being ridiculed regardless of divorce

While you slave away kissing her ass defending her on gossip thread

Children + Nature = Kate in her element.

Meghan has summer plans other than maternity leave? Does Hello know something we don't know?

This little girl reminds me of Princess Charlotte.

Photos of children with Kate today. The last photo: the boy just has to be ONE OF US.

The comments on the Hello Insta post are priceless, LOL.

A nice little story about this shy girl who gave Kate a potted plant.

A future dermatologist. LOL.

Kate has some highlights in her hair which softens her face.

Kate’s face does look a little fuller, a pregnancy would be a fun development.

"She would never let personal feelings come in the way of duty.”

Someone's using Katie Nicholls to backpedal furiously.

“The queen has been astonished and very impressed by Meghan’s work drive,” a royal source told Nicholl. “There’s a feeling that Meghan likes to be busy and must be kept busy. She’s very driven."

Name that source! Lol

Hey Royal Dish nutter at R212 (when did Maria give you the boot, by the way?)

Not defending this LA girl. I grew up in LaLa Land and it is full of Meghans. As is Manhattan where I live now.

Truth be that Meghan will - no matter what - get great child support if the marriage ends. That is called securing the bag.

I never said this is good or bad, it just is.

Walk around the UES, it's full of skinny white girls pushing overpriced prams - same path that Meghan took.

R211 Pretty much. I have to hand it to her, and I am envious. I would love to marry or partner into a dynasty and relax for the rest of my life.

R225 - I'm not envious. I would hate the publicity and people nitpicking about how I looked, what I wore and how much I was like someone who is now dead.

R224 You’re a bit dim I see, and I have no fucking clue what Royal Dish is/ was and have zero desire or time to find out. I see you do though which says something considering it is/ was a BSC thing as you’d implied. I’m not one to slag Meghan for being a thirsty climber, it’s interesting for us to have someone like her in the BRF. The reasons why some of us really can’t stand her are related to her being ungrateful, sanctimonious, and hypocritical. I’m all for climbers because they’re fun gossip fodders. I hope she stays in BRF and I say bring on Edo too.

Princess Anne in uniform on Armed Forces Day in Salisbury.

A video of Anne visiting Amesbury today.

The Queen with her Maple Leaf brooch. She's also wearing the colors of Canada's flag.

From R222, is this shade?

“The queen has been astonished and very impressed by Meghan’s work drive,” a royal source told Nicholl. “There’s a feeling that Meghan likes to be busy and must be kept busy. She’s very driven."

Lol and agree r210.

I've criticized and praised the Duchess of Sussex.

So, to be fair, I'm on to something if I point out that , if her and Harry would have had a public christening, press photos, what-have-you, her haters STILL would be criticizing her with, say, "Archie is 7th in line. He doesn't warrant this kind of public christening, out tax money, yada, yada, yada..."

Still, I think there may be something to the Sussexes saving face with a "private" christening when it became final that QE II wouldn't be there.

R231, it said it came from a source, so the source is either MM herself, or Omid Scobie.

"out tax money" - our tax money

Now what war did Anne fight in?

Oh, I just read about the Anglo-Sikh war. Anne led the British troops to victory, hence all her medals.

R227 Don't go about calling people "Stans". Just awful.

I love gossip about all those royal fuckers, especially the teen-raping, Kazakhstan-bottoming Pig Prince Andrew. He will bottom for any Central Asian/Middle Eastern despot who will toss him some coin.

And we are in for years of fun with those bug-eyed gals of his. One with a husband who is a tequila brand ambassador and the other...D-list wannabe. Those two will need to take over the Kazakhstan bottoming once Pa gets too old for that.

MM must be gutted, really. The private chapel at Windsor was severely damaged in the fire in 1992, and although it has been refurbished, it is, in the grand scheme of things, a room.

A pretty room, but still a room. Prettier than a registry office, but similar , no pews anymore.

If the blind was true that she had sent ut dozens and dozens of invitations to A-listers....then I do think she was expecting much grander than a room.

The crying make-up artist is in Paris, for the Fashion Week, so shall we put him onto a virtual bingo card for Saturday's christening?

I'd say he's a dead cert to attend. Well, he'll be doing Madam's freckles for her official photo, anyway.

I tried to google the chapel but could not find any good pics in relation to where the chapel is located at Windsor. For those who have visited or otherwise know, does the location of this private chapel make it impossible for pap pics?

Absolutely impossible, R238, it's a private room within Windsor.

Diagnosing celeb wives with NPD is the literally definition of erotomaniac fangirl stalker.

Thanks r238.

I would think by this point Meg is probably pretty pissed at the British public for their response to her and her spending. Not enough acceptance and adulation. She probably enjoys not letting them see pics of the baby.

Della -

Are you Meghan's PR?

Congrats, r243! You get a cigar!

R240 Really? Because the orange embarrassment that is Donald Trump gets the same treatment. Like it or not celebs and unfit POTUS get their shitty personalities and mental health dissected or scrutinized publicly in articles, blogs, and social media nowadays.

[QUOTE] He doesn't think Buckingham Palace is good enough for him

None of the family liked it. Queen Victoria, George V, George Vi, they didn’t like it. It’s drafty and ugly and woefully in need of infrastructure updates which I believe are ongoing.

Seeing many similarities between Markle and Trump.

Would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall when this was called to her attention.

I hope the makeup artist is one of the godparents. What a train wreck!

Anne’s medals are mostly jubilee medals or other celebration medals, commemorating her mother or the Commonwealth. She may also be wearing miniatures of the RVO and Thistle, or possibly Commonwealtj orders, instead of the large badge and ribands we normally see. She also holds honorary colonelcies, she’s never seen any active service nor has she even trained as a soldieress.

The Queen uses the private chapel at Windsor when she is unwell, or under the weather, and can't attend church.

So private, I'd like to imagine HM padding along the hall to the chapel in her PJ's, slippers and dressing gown, lol.

Not Prince Phillip, though. It's well-documented that he sleeps naked.

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With all the reports that Charles wants to streamline and make the principal royal family members limited once he assumes the throne, may be backfiring. Part of Charles' intention was to marginalize Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie. Charles had no idea thathis own son, Dimwit, and MeMe would be the ones marginalized through their behavior, attitude or will, and they may not want to have anything to do with all this royal fah, fah, fah., except of course to benefit from a $4 million renovation to their cottage.

Actually Andrew seems to be taking a more front and center role, grated as his mother's protector, but he's also out there with duties as well. Charles ought to reconsider Bea and Eug. They seem very willing and perfectly suited to carrying out royal duties unlike this annoying newest member who shows little interest and who needs everything to be private.

Bea and Eug get it. They might not be Anne or Alexandra, but they certainly understand the role and haven’t fucked up publicly too badly in their young lives. Charles misfired with those two, once his mother’s cousins all retire who does he think is going to pick up the slack? Cannot and Willnot? Haz and Bean? It’s not going to work like he thought. Edward and Sophie are going to be SO busy.

I have a hard time imagining he won't live at Buckingham Palace. It's where the King lives. Has been for a long time. I also think it is probably more secure than little Clarence House. I know he lives there now but he's an heir, with alternatives, he's expendable. Could be wrong but I suspect as King not much will change... Balmoral in summer/autumn, BP for October/November/part of December, Sandringham for Christmas, BP, Windsor for Easter and weekends and the vestiges of the season.

I like Della's posts, which are observational, not emotionally invested. This whole thing is a soap opera for us to enjoy, not some epic battle between good and evil, in which we must all pick a side and furiously defend it.

I think HazBean's current coy, withholding behaviour is related to two things - one, they are wounded by the ridicule and condemnation that ensues following every public appearance and are becoming phobic about triggering more of the same. They can't bear the thought of their child being similarly sneered at. And second, they are angry at this backlash and want to strike back by rejecting the public's desire for involvement, so they withdraw and demand privacy.

Eh, to Della's point, some of are long past the BEC point. Markle is so contrived and causes so many problems for herself, it is hard to give her credit for anything or trust in anything she does. There is something wrong with her that will never be "fixed" no matter what she experiences. She doesn't seem to have the capability to recognize her shortcomings and evolve.

Buckingham Palace will be used for state occasions, dinners, receptions, ceremonies, and offices but Charles won't be living there. It's not unusual.

Bit of a waste R259. Personally I like the king and queen living at the palace, all neat and tidy.

R259 - if the taxpayers are paying millions for the restoration/renovation/upgrading of Buckingham Palace, Charles damn well better live there after he becomes King whether he likes it or not. That would be very bad optics.

^ upgrading

R253. R254. Bea and Eug may emerge as the winners, an Charles may use them more for official functions. especially when MeMe needs to be private and control everything. Charles is not going to want controversy during what may be a relatively brief reign.

Yes, Bea and Eug get it. And for whatever criticism Andrew and Sarah have had, they did seem to, against the odds, have raised good girls with virtually no scandal or controversy surrounding either of them.

Della?

Saying Markle looked her best at the recent baseball appearance? And was brilliantly "shrewd"?

May be HUGE perceptual differences, but it smells like PR.

R261 Buckingham Palace belongs to the nation. If the monarch didn’t live there, there are many, many uses it could be put to. It’s not being renovated as a residence for HM but as a public building. So, I disagree that the “optics” would be bad if Charles didn’t live there.

[quote] May be HUGE perceptual differences, but it smells like PR.

No, it is simply an opinion different from yours. Why is that so hard for you people to understand?

Charles and Camilla will be in Wales this week. Charles has already started his tour in Cardiff.

R265 - fine. We agree to disagree.

Lady Diana Spencer.

Harry & Meghan need to remember...

"Two things define you as a person: your patience when you have nothing and your attitude when you have everything".

The Queen is happiest when she's around horses.

Difficult to find a photo of the Queen’s Private Chapel taken after the restoration - here is an artists rendition of the redone space. It looks charming.

The two Duchesses.

Kate with two children.

R231 - It's not shade, it's bullshit. The Queen is notoriously quiet about her private feelings, and given that her son and daughter, particularly her daughter, work harder than Meghan ever has or ever will, the idea that she's "astonished" by Meghan's "drive" is beyond ludicrous.

Meghan's PR regularly leak stories through the usual unnamed "source" that paint Meghan as the BRF's own Joan of Arc. Remember the "sources" who claimed Doria was going to be living with the Sussexes for the foreseeable future to help Meghan with the baby? That Doria had been invited by the Queen for Christmas and was going to stay in the Big House and Oh My The Middletons Never Were! (as it happens, the Middletons were in the past and Doria never showed up for Christmas)? Let's see what else did those "sources" told the press: oh, right: the Queen is so impressed with Meghan she's gonna sit right down and writer the dear girl a fan

These are leaks by Sara Latham who seems to think that the public can't see through them.

And they always seem to appear when a spate of negative PR engulfs the Sussexes: this time, it's a farcical attempt to combat negative PR around the taxpayer funded expenses for their home, their hypocrisy re climate change, his spending thousands on her jewellery in L.A. whilst UK taxpayers pay to renovate his home, the departing nannies, and the "private" christening.

Amazing how the leaks about how marvellous the Queen thinks Meghan is seem to occur when the negative PR stories hit the fan, innit?

Photo at the front of the private chapel.

I thought Della was damning with faint praise, R264, but perhaps I misread the post.

Bea and Eugenie so upset the Queen, she stripped them of the protection 6-7 years ago. Pervie Pa had to start paying for it out of his own pocket. HM was not pleased with endless pap shots of the underemployed twosome at night cubs and on yachts. Vacationing had become there main job.

"their"

Joker ^^^^

If looks could kill. LOL.

Here is an actual photo of the renovated chapel. It is quite charming and cosy.

R266 fair point.

In this current climate when we perceive and process situations, and then come across information or "observations" so counter to our own resonance, it is not unnatural to question those "observations". This is especially pertinent given the source might be considered inauthentic (e.g. PR).

Some might call that being "objective" rather than "emotional".

R282 for the win.

So, are we taking wagers on whether Meghan can resist taking a selfie with Beyonce at the premiere of The Lion King?

Della?

Chapel Royal at St. James Palace, where George and Louis were christened:

Private Chapel at Windsor, where Archie will be christened.

The Private Chapel at Windsor as it appeared in the 19th Century. Not a particularly big space.

Chapel Royal at St. James, overhead view (of Louis's christening).

St. Mary Magdalene Church, Sandringham, where Charlotte was christened. I wonder if they held it in this smaller space so it was convenient for the Queen to attend?

R287. It was not the queen's doing to take away private security for Beatrice and Eugenie and have Andrew pay for it. It was Charles' doing. He's the one who pushed for that and led to strained relations with Andrew since he wants his daughters to be working royals. Charles didn't, so to deny them, he lobbied to take away their protection. Charles is a vindictive asshole. Like was said before, Charles may want to start using Bea and Eug. They're royal, they're dependable and their good attitudes far exceed the "We want to be alone" pain in the ass duo at FrogCott. I'm sure Charles didn't think his own son would pull this "privacy" card.

Is there really a question as to whether Markle is capable of being very shrewd? How else to explain her unlikely climb? There's more to it than luck and timing.

R282, I would go to church there. All weekend long! And I'd give 10% of my earnings.

Meghan is doing that thing certain promoters do, where they book a talent into a smaller venue so they can sell it out and give the appearance of both popularity and exclusivity. Meghan couldn't fill the Chapel Royal with A-listers, so she scaled back to a 25-person ceremony in that tiny chapel at Windsor. It makes the event seem exclusive rather than poorly attended. Very LA thinking, really.

What's with MeMe Markle's skin tone lately? Yes, I know she's part black, but since Trooping of the Colour and then the baseball game over the weekend, she seems to have gone mad with the bronzer and heavy makeup making her look unnaturally darker than her natural skin tone, which actually looks fine. But now she looks caked and baked. Cool it on heavy dark Egyptian powder, honey. Plus it makes her look like her facial skin is sweating and unable to breathe.

So Harry has an engagement tomorrow, and Mike Tyson has her first match at Wimbledon.

Will our freshly botoxed barrel of non-laughs attend?

R296 Exactly who are you referring to when you write about ‘Mike Tyson’ at Wimbledon? He is a retired professional boxer.

Interesting point R292.

I appreciate both interpretations of the word: shrewd. Clever and intelligent AND cunning and tricky.

Personally, I do not find Markle particularly intelligent. Her body language screams emotional immaturity and artifice. Her word slaw posts are dripping with insecurity.

Streetsmart, yes. Markle is a hustler. Tricksters come from all backgrounds. And some are quite successful.

But sagacious, no. (Another synonym for shrewd.)

Buckingham Palace could wind up like the Royal Palace in Amsterdam. The place where meetings happen, awards given, etc. More of it could be opened to tourists, and maybe they can lease space out for offices or events. It would make a terrific art museum.

R298. Another commonality MeGain shares with Trump.

Would anybody really care if Charles didn't live at Buckingham Palace? Does the structure loom that large in the minds of the British Public? I know Churchill insisted Elizabeth live there to promote continuity and stability, as the institution was still living in the shadow of the abdication. But 1936 was a long time ago, and it will be even longer by the time Elizabeth passes.

R294, Pardon my ignorance of these things, but a baby’s christening is just immediate family and the godparents, no? It’s a very intimate thing, I thought.

Of course, thanks to basic fraus and social media, we now have garbage, contrived occasions such as “gender reveals” and that thing where trashy people destroy wedding dresses.

I suppose proper etiquette has gone out the window, and people are now supposed to make a big bash out of a solemn spiritual occasion. Of course.

R301 I think after Elizabeth goes, England will very much need that signal of continuity and stability. I for one hope Charles does move to Buckingham Palace.

I'm not sure why some people are in an uproar about the christening. For the press, it's probably the cumulative effect of Harry and Meghan snubbing them, especially during the lead-up to Archie's birth when many reporters were parked in Windsor for weeks with no news, only to be told after the fact, and then being denied access to the post-birth photo session.

With Harry and Meghan thwarting the British media at every turn, I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more of a backlash against them. Sure, we're getting stories here and there, but they must be sitting on a mountain of dirt. Not just stories about Meghan, but years of suppressed dirt on Harry. Is it out of respect for the Queen?

R296 is one of our lovely racist posters weighing in (heavily) from her American mobile home

More bad PR

A dog gets a little too friendly with Sophie. Swipe to see the new tartan designed for the couple.

Her heart was in the right place.

Several posters have commented in these threads about how Charles hasn't dealt with Harry and Meghan (particularly about their spending). Maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that he needs the Yorks? Really, Harry and Meghan are more trouble than their worth and everyone is simply waiting for their divorce. Even those who are more charitable about them are only apt to say they'll be married 4-6 years as opposed to those who think it will be sooner. Charles just needs to man up, send them away and bring Beatrice and Eugenie into full-time service.

R309 B & E aren't nearly as popular with Brits as Harry. He's mainly popular though cause of Diana. Same with Will.

R295 It's a catch-22 with Meghan's makeup. Her skin is quite horrible, not as bad as Kate's but still pretty bad. So she has to cake on the foundation and concealer to look as close as possible to tv-perfect as she could. When you wear thick layers of foundation you're going to keep having shitty skin because what the ingredients in foundation makeup does is they block the skin from "breathing". In the short run you look like you have decent even good skin, but in the long run you ruin having naturally great skin.

She does look darker now but I think it's just from being out in the sun having lots of free time since she's not working. From the high-def photos it's clear that she has thicker skin that tends to break out or become blotchy. Being out in the sun doesn't help but I think this is her natural shade, sort of a honey bisque tan, she's lucky she has that from her mom's side because from the looks of it she does not burn, she tans quite well. But hey being stuck with fat Markle's genes she's gotta get some compensation from Doria, she should be thankful for that. Although I don't know if Meghan was told to wear sunscreen growing up in LA, everyone knows now that even if you have dark skin you should still wear sunscreen. But I know plenty of trashy parents who still don't do that for their kids even today.

R309 There was a recent blind item saying that William had hired one of the York sisters at a stipend of 100,000 pounds a year to participate more actively in Royal events. That could turn out to be a wise long-term investment on William’s part.

R306 her and harry are loving it. It means they are being talked about and also gives them a chance to play the victims and the wronged one. Fuels the us against them mentality.

Meghan's nose is starting to look exactly like her dad's, she should be thinking about a second rhinoplasty now. Who cares since we all could see she already had a nose job, so why not make further improvements on it since she didn't go far enough the first time around.

Meghan and Harry are enjoying being topics of conversations because they thrive off the attention and having their fans defend them. They're doing it on purpose because they want this to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Have the press print negative stories based off of their own narcissism, claim to be victims of racism/ media/ privacy intrusion, then hope for the public to side with them and against the media. But now they're only winning dumb American fraus or SJW-type fans. Not the best foundation to build upon if they want to remain SM influencers. SM is for the young, particulalrly in the influencing game, no one over 40 has been successful from scratch unless you count BSC types like Rose McGowan who's since gone off the deep end. But RM isn't strictly an influencer she's more political and topical. Meghan is after the sort of influencer status that Gwyneth Paltrow has, but GP has been doing her brand for years and she was famous prior to that.

^^^Meant to say Meghan's nose in photo posted by R306 is starting to look very daddy-like.

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That was a really nice thing of William to do.

They should marry Bea off to Crown Prince MBS. That would ensure the BRF would continue to receive fabulous jewelry and race horses. They need to arrange an iron clad prenup to prevent Bea from getting her head lopped off, though.

R314 is the Rhinoplasty Troll

No one gives a damn about Meghan's nose except you.

R313 - I agree. However poorly thought out (and it is) a tactic , it's still shaping up as one of the building blocks of their public narrative, and they can't see past it because it dovetails so perfectly with their private narrative. Meghan and Harry do feel like deserving victims who are entitled to much more.

The tactic is based on erroneous assumptions: 1) that people care deeply about them. And whilst we may enjoy gossiping about them here, and the fraus on CB may have shrines to Meghan in their bedrooms, broadly speaking, the great swath of the public don't give two fucks about Meghan and Harry; 2) that they are far more important to the BRF and Great Britain and the world than they actually are, and 3) that people are really going to feel sorry for two rich pampered "victims" - one of whom is a royal prince whose Papa and Gran are filthy rich and the other is a former nobody actress who's suddenly wearing £8,000 daytime ensembles, has £600,000 in jewellery, whose baby shower at The Mark Hotel in New York cost about £250,000, and who took a private jet home afterward whilst claiming climate change as a cause.

You couldn't find a look worse for these two than self-righteousness and self-pity, but it's increasingly evident than that's exactly how they feel and how they shaping their story - when it all goes tits up, they'll blame everyone but themselves.

Jus as Diana did.

R312 - William isn't in a position to hire his cousins at any price to represent the BRF officially; that's up to the Queen and perhaps his father. William has neither the power, authority, nor funds to do anything of the kind. Those BIs are mostly submitted by Americans who haven't a clue how this game works. William doesn't get to make those calls.

[quote]Her skin is quite horrible, not as bad as Kate's but still pretty bad.

What? What? What? Are we seeing the same Kate Middleton?

[quote]Would anybody really care if Charles didn't live at Buckingham Palace? Does the structure loom that large in the minds of the British Public?

It's iconic. The seat of the British monarchy in the capital.

I gather it’s sort of like the US president not living at the White House, r323.

I'm rewatching episodes of Headcases from 2008. At 4:54, Mohamed Al-Fayed gives his theories on the death of the Queen Mother:

R323 - Charles will have official staff at BP and offices there and of course large apartments should he need to stay there for official reasons. He doesn't need to live there 24/7 to keep the iconic theme up. Clarence House is far more comfortable, is close by, and if he left it completely for BP, other headaches would arise, as the deal with the Cambriddges after that hugely expensive renovation to their "flat" in Kensington Palace was that the place would remain their official residence until William ascended the throne. That would leave Clarence House empty and it's far too grand for the Sussexes or anyone else below a certain level - and Charles adores Clarence House, it was his beloved grandmother's home.

So Charles will find a way to maintain a presence at both residences.

R325 - Theories on the death of the Queen Mother? Other than that she was 102?

R322 - They both have indifferent complexions and neither are aging well in that department. I wouldn't say either one has horrible skin - but to those of us old enough to remember the beautiful complexions that Diana, the Queen, Pss. Margaret, and the Queen Mother possessed, Meghan's and Kate's skins seem worse by comparison. We'd gotten used to beautiful complexions being a signature of royal women.

List of wedding guests of the Sussex duo.

R326 writes like a Private Secretary but doesn't know anything more than any of us.

And ignores one key thing: Charles is a royal as they come... he'll literally live like a king. That may mean comfy little Clarence House is beneath his next station. But I'm not a private secretary either.

I can’t believe there isn’t a rich Liechtenstein prince available for Bea. They fuck like Catholic rabbits, same with Habsburg's too.

Have you even seen Clarence House? It's a nice place but it's hardly grand... it's an elegant London townhome but it is not palatial. The Queen Mother and Princess Margaret moved in because it had just been renovated for the Queen and Prince Philip and was vacant and in good working order. The grand house was Marlborough House, which for years was home to Edward VII, as Prince of Wales, and later Queen Mary as Dowager Queen. It could suitably be a base for the Susssexes, loathsome as they are. It could be used as offices or for government work, as it was after the Duke of Connaught died in 1942 and prior to the move in by Princess Elizabeth and Prince Philip. Clarence House is a place... there's no precedence around it or any of the other residences save those the house the monarch. There is no rule the Prince of Wales or anyone else must move there come the great musical chairs after the death of a sovereign. It's what's available, when.

R330 - You don't have to be a P.S. to know something about Clarence House. It's not a "comfy little place" - it's one of the most elegant private homes in England. It just doesn't happen to be a palace. It is quietly sumptuous rather than grand. The Queen Mother had expensive taste - she was as royal as they come, too. What do you think hangs on the wall of "comfy little CH"? Prints from the National Gallery's shop?

BP is a crumbling mess. Charles isn't required by law to make BP his official residence by exiting Clarence House completely. He is well able to maintain households in both. He can host state banquets, appear on the balcony at the appropriate times, receive Prime Ministers there. He doesn't have to sleep there every night.

Being as royal as they come means getting your own way.

And, for what it's worth, when Charles moved in he ordered a huge refurbishment and the house was completely rewired, and designer Robert Kime redid most of the major rooms. The outside of the building was also redone. I doubt very much they'd give it to the Sussexes, who will probably be divorced by then, anyway, What's more, after a $3 million renovation to FrogCott, the Sussexes, like the Cambridges, are obliged to stick it out and not casually take off for better digs before time, leaving egg all over the UK taxpayers' face.

R331 Looks like the Prince of Liechtenstein is already married - to a beautiful woman and has a very handsome son, as well.

Seems like Maximillian's tastes don't run to chubby, pale women like Bea.

r285, if she shows which I don't think she should, but, probably she will, of course, she'll have a selfie-storm with Beyoncé and all assorted other show folk trash who are there.

She has yet to grasp what William and Kate know; and William probably caught on to the following as a young man. That is, mingling with and greeting A List, celebrity show folk trash is fun, interesting, perhaps thrilling depending on who it is, but, overall, it's not the purpose of your position as a Royal; it's a part of the job.

I fear the Duchess of Sussex sees interaction with them as the PURPOSE of her position.

I really enjoy reading r320 posts.

And r333 too.

Charles may have limited mobility by the time he climbs the throne (early 80's). It may be prudent to choose the best living situation where he can "age in place".

You speak with such firm expertise, R333, you must know them personally. I bow to your certainty.

r256- Thank You. You're correct.

I'm a bemused observer, with no axe to grind one way or another.

And no, whoever it was upthread who asked if I'm Meghan's PR. That's the funniest thing I've ever been accused of in my many years at the DL.

I'm amused by the new breed of MM fans on here. We still get the crazy ones who say how ugly Kate is and how MM should be Queen. We still get the ones that come on and try and derail with crazy things about my lover Andy and the York girls. We still get the sad ones who think they are cool by pretending they are gay and overusing Frau or troll. But now I've noticed the new more "sophisticated" MM fans who come on here and pretend to not like any of the royals or are ambivalent to them or have a really balanced view of the BRF. They will critique all of them including their secret love MM but not in a super harsh way in a more "intellectual" way. The real aim is to show MM in a more positive light as a victim of her circumstance.

Here's the thing, we know what you are up but hats off to you for giving it a go, toodle pip!

R337 - Thanks -Those are both mine as was the original question about wagers on whether Meghan will show at Lion King.

And I agree - To Meghan, the A-List celebrity hobnobbing with other A-list celebrities is the purpose of her position.

Do you really need to know Charles personally after reading that he rejected a new sports car because someone else had driven it before he did after he demanded the colour of the car be changed, and after it was changed to his specifications, the new car was driven over to his residence, for which he threw a fit?

He's an entitled twat. If he wants to maintain two households in central London within shouting distance of each other, it's not a stretch to suppose he bloody will.

I have had that poster blocked for a while, R264. Too sugary for my taste.

[quote] The christening story has started to take another turn, Archie will not get christened at St Georges Chapel, now, despite MM saying it was special and full of sentimental feeling *yawn*.....He will now be christened in the Queen's own private chapel at Windsor. I'd think that she was trying to put people off the scent, but a quick check does reveal that nothing private is happening at St George's at the weekend. All services are as normal. Why so many stories ? Is it ALL about chaos and confusion with her? How can anyone live like that? Especially someone who pretends to be so mindful

Why so many stories? Are you fucking serious? Some of you people are honestly borderline retarded. These are just stories printed by the tabloids. They aren't facts. They're rumors. And you are an idiot because you believe each and every one is a press release from the Sussexes. They've made their arrangements already. There's no chaos or confusion for them, just for the media who doesn't know what's happening, but wants to be able to write something so idiots like you can read it and believe it

R3335 - Princess Angela of Lichtenstein was the first woman of African descent (she is Panamanian) to marry into a reigning European royal family at that level. Her husband isn't the Heir, by the way. She met with a good deal of resistance from some quarters of the family, which is a shame, as she was a very accomplished woman, she studied at Parsons in New York, owned her own design company, and designed her own wedding dress (which looked very much like the one Meghan wore, only Pss. Angela's actually fit properly). Pss. Angela is everything Meghan Markle pretends to be, but isn't.

R103 is a stupid fag who had never met a pregnant women. Some women's faces get fat during and after pregnancy due to weight gain. Real pregnant women don't look like actresses wearing a moon bump in movies where their faces don't change.

Jessica Simpson's face was also fat during and after her pregnancy.

The following is a recent picture of Meghan Markle smiling at her visit to the Yankees-Red Sox game. Why is she smiling if she has botox or fillers?

[quote] And you are an idiot because you believe each and every one is a press release from the Sussexes.

This should be the tag line for these pathetic threads. Both the Meghan lovers and Meghan haters assume every story is a calculated move by Meghan or her PR team.

Look at the pic from R306. It looks odd that she has those eye wrinkles but not a line on her forehead as she's making that face. I don't think she's using fillers. Her face is just fat. But I'm not ruling out Botox, which is different from fillers.

Pregnancy, Botox, whatever. She looks like shit.

R341 A pudgy escapee from Royal Dish. Now reborn as the "Patrol Troll".

This is about gossip, not senseless hatred towards someone.

I am not saying whether I like Meghan or not. I don't know her and neither do you. I can say I dislike Prince Andrew because of his close friendship with a convicted pedophile and photographic evidence he interacted with a victim of sex trafficking.

As I have said above, Meghan laid a golden egg and will be well cared for for the next 20 years, whether she and Harry stay together or not. If they break up, Meghan will receive a nice child support check monthly. Whether I approve of child support or not, that is the fact of the matter. Rich men have to pay considerable child support.

If she leaves Harry, I think she and Archie would do well to decamp to Silverlake or Los Feliz. Very expensive but low key vibe, where celebs can go out and not be bothered.

Who knows, maybe some day I will run into her at my fave restaurant, Lilttle Dom's.

R344 Thanks for the input. It is appreciated. Your words and intent are direct and not misleading. Cannot say the same about the poster/posts you mention. I do appreciate diverse thought, yet.....there is something "off" about the posts in discussion. Can't quite put my finger on it - thought it was PR shilling - but could very well be something else.

R341 Perhaps your post may explain what I wrote above to R344? Something to contemplate. Thanks.

[quote] Like was said before, Charles may want to start using Bea and Eug. They're royal, they're dependable and their good attitude

It's the York troll. You are all over these threads singing the praises of the girls and their mother. They're trash. The sisters hang out with Russian oligarchs, disgraced businessmen and basically anyone who is rich and will pay their way. And then of course, where ever they go, their mother goes. They are Eurotrash. They'll show up to the opening of an envelope (and of course they'll bring along their drunken fool of a mother)

And Fergie's the problem. She's a silly drunk and has a habit of making a jackass out of herself. She just can't help herself. The minute one of Fergie's scandals cool down, she's at it again. She made a damned fool out of herself when Eugenie got engaged. A DAMNED FOOL. Andrew must have spoke to her and told her to lay low and knock it off, because she did. But it must have been hard for her. She's had a few flare ups on social media (the gushing, ridiculous, embarrassing, pathetic posts). They're all probably written when she's drunk as a skunk

Remember, for every scandal you've heard about regarding Fergie & Andrew, there are probably a WHOLE LOT MORE you haven't. Charles is wise to Andrew and Fergie and the shady shit they get up to. That's why he can't stand his brother, pretends Fergie doesn't exist and wants nothing to do with any of the Yorks.

R350 Oh dear you really didn't get the message in post R341 did you?

Exactly as I said, Andrew is a paedophile comments and nobody really knows MM but here is a few paragraphs of bullshit when I fact you are a secret fan. Also MM won't necessarily be that rich after in a divorce, Harry isn't independently wealthy and the RF has learned from their mistakes in past specifically from Diana's settlement.

I suggest you read the judgement Tessy of Luxembourg's recent settlement in a London court, if I was MM I would be worried about that precedent. There will be no golden eggs for her, though Archie would be well looked after.

You'd think so R350. But if she gets the Fergie treatment the settlement won't be nearly enough to keep Meghan in endless Givenchy and Dior nor will she get enough to buy a home on Los Feliz, even after adjusting for inflation.

From the Telegraph:

Senior sources have given The Sunday Telegraph precise details of the divorce settlement in order to disprove the Duchess's "outrageous" claims. Her package agreed in 1996, when the couple divorced, included:

£500,000 provided by the Queen for her to buy a new house for her and her children.

£1.4 million provided by the Queen to set up a trust fund for Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie.

£350,000 in cash provided by the Queen which had no restrictions on its use.

An agreement that the Duke of York would pay his daughters' private school and university fees.

A modest monthly allowance which it is believed was then based on the Duke of York's salary as a Royal Navy officer.

R352 Right on cue, the crazy MM fan is here with the usual York bullshit.

Time to bring back the tiaras specifically the Burmese Ruby Tiara

In the beginning it was "Meghan's going to hit the ground running".

Now it's "at least she's not Fergie"!

Call her detractors whatever you wish, it doesn't change the fact that Meghan is despised and she brought it upon herself.

R354 Well said and the recent judgment in Family Division of the High Court in London regarding Tessy of Luxembourg has set and interesting precedent in royal divorces.

Interesting points the judge made, Prince Louis family's vast wealth could not be factored into a bitter divorce battle with his ex-wife and 'it would be wrong in this case to conclude that the husband's family represent a financial resource on which this court can rely'

Excellent points, R341. Her PR is so ineffective, such a waste of money. Maybe they are trying to do it on the cheap or something but it is ham handed and obvious.

^^^ an interesting

Come on, everyone! Wake up. She's a ROCK STAR. She's WINNING. IG Likes and so forth.

Fergie may be a continual fuck up but somehow she manages to remain likable. Meghan is not likable. The fact that she has remained so close to Andrew has been what has saved her. Andrew has gone above an beyond in taking care of her when he did didn't have to.

I expect the Harkle divorce to be completely scorched earth so there will be no extra kindness extended to Meghan. Archie will be taken care of but Meghan will actually have to dip into that vast fortune she earned as a basic cable actress that we keep hearing about to support her expensive lifestyle.

R349 your photo of Meghan shows some interesting line patterns when she reveals an emotive expression.

The lack of lines from her frontalis and orbicularis oculi muscles to demonstrate facial movement.... well, something more is going on than meets the eye.

But that really is her tell, no? The contrivance is more than just skin deep.

R350, she likes expensive but not low-key.

And that greedy bitch is dying to be papped with impunity. She cannot fucking WAIT until her sequestration is finished.

Obviously.

I think Zara has the perfect royal set up. Wealth, privilege, invites to the occasional cool balcony appearance and Ascot — but minus all of the tedious shop openings, must behave this certain way, every move scrutinized, etc.

From upthread, someone mentioning they were surprised there hasn't been more of a press backlash against Master Archie's parents, and asking if it was out of respect for HM.

I think that's entirely possible. Whilst it's true that I've seen press coverage of the Harkles that has genuinely taken my breath away with its (negative) tone, I suspect it's very much also true that they have a lot more, and that they're holding some of it back because of the still in effect (but not legally, which is an interesting factor) deference of the UK press.

It may be odd to talk about the UK press as 'deferential," especially when we have an ongoing stream of sneering from them, some of it very pointed. But there is an underlying feeling that there are unspoken and arcane rules at play. I do wonder, if they had anything truly shocking (i.e. something that could threaten the reputation or standing of HM or Charles, Wills or Haz in a serious way), if they would print it. I think the press has become progressively *less* deferential, but I think they still are. They pretty much knew the entire story on the Wales marriage back in the 80s, and held back on the real tea for a long time. And that tea would have sold a shit ton of papers. It's why I always (pointlessly, admittedly) try to read between the lines not just of one story or another but of the general tone and tenor of the general (broadsheet and tabloid) media coverage of Royal Person A or Royal Couple B.

There have been a number of named people speaking fairly plainly and negatively about Meghan that I don't believe would be saying boo if they didn't know in some sense that HM wouldn't cut them off for speaking. People like Dickie Arbiter for example and those who have spoken on the record to The Times over the past few months.

That said, I don't believe any of the stories (positive or negative) about HM either rebuking or praising MM to her face. That's not HM's job and it certainly doesn't seem to be her MO when communicating.

Also regarding the comments above (credited to HM in some way, which I don't believe at all, see above) about Meghan "needing to be kept busy" and was that shade. Yes, it was. Classic backhanded compliment. It looks like she's being praised for her work ethic when really she's being shaded for being a hyperactive American toddler/puppy who must be "kept busy" lest she start chewing the chairlegs. They did the same with the "gosh, she wakes up at 5am to send e-mails, how very work ethic-y of her!" stuff. It wasn't praise of her work ethic, and everyone knew that.

Will we see her at Wimbledon today? I hope so. She looked particularly orange at the baseball outing, I wonder if she'll lay off the bronzer.

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Surprised there hasn't been more comment on William, erstwhile shunner of peasants (lol), greeting and chatting to the people holding the impromptu Diana memorial outside the gates of KP. Fucking *masterful* move there on his part. And don't come for me, I'm not saying it was calculated or he just did it to get pics in the press etc., I'm just acknowledging that it was a PR masterstroke, whoever's idea it was.

I'm one of the "I am enjoying Alpha Dick Will" people, and something like this just makes me smile. Haz and his wife getting dragged in the press (as usual) for their ham fisted exhortations to the peasants to do all they can to lessen their environmental impact (LOOOOOOOL), and William just casually pops out to make like the gracious future King he is by connecting to his people in a genuine and non-flashy way. Combine that with his wife looking flawless in her not-Givenchy outfit today as she interacted sweetly and naturally with those children. I swear, the Cambridges must think MM was a gift from the PR gods. Their coverage in the DM today bordered on fawning and the best part is the comments mirrored it. The commenters on the article about Will are falling all over themselves to effuse about how kingly and wonderful he is (and I'm starting to fucking agree, you guys).

Have we considered that it may have been Kate, working in the background (per my threads-ago floating of the idea that she's secretly a masterful Machiavellian puppetmaster, arranging everything behind the scenes to make herself and her family look good - and no, it's not what I actually believe), who initially spotted MM and arranged her first meeting with Harry? It's certainly worked out extremely well for the Cambs.

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Oops R366, looks like you were posting about the William-chats-to-normals story just as I was saying no one was talking about it.

Hmmm....so the Queen and Phillip interfered to make sure Will did the right thing? I thought she didn't bother interfering with family issues.

While I don't believe for one second that William was talking to HM and Prince Philip about his love life, it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone appropriate was tasked with 'having a word' around the time of their 2007 break-up/make-up. It would, at the point of their getting back together then, have reflected quite badly on him if William had subsequently dumped her. I'm sure the RF didn't want the press coverage of William the Cad, taking up all of Kate's 20s and then discarding her as she neared 30. It's pretty much exactly what that American douchebag did to Beatrice.

And speaking of Kate, once again she handled that break up masterfully. Remember those pics of her in the papers, looking not at all sad, having a good time (in tiny short-shorts, surely a coincidence!) at a costume party with her friends? I think the real Alpha Dick is Kate, tbh. I mean that in an entirely admiring way. William was the future King and she was the daughter of a stewardess. She had no overt power at the time and now look at her. Almost universally beloved, mother of 3 beautiful children (including the future monarch). I always say Meghan won, but so did Kate - and she seems to have a much better idea of how to manage her victory than Markle does.

I think it's perfectly plausible that Will had a conversation with his grandparents about his long-term relationship. Over dinner, tea, whatever. Not only is it a normal thing for grandparents to ask a grandson, but Will's status as heir to the throne means it would have been a topic of great interest for all. Surely her Majesty would have felt a responsibility to take an interest in Will's life, and offer advice.

I don't believe that Charles has waited all this time to become king and not move into Buckingham Palace. Charles likes all the trappings that go with getting as Diana called it, "the top job," even if BP is only symbolic, he's got to live there as a symbol of the monarchy.

So if Charles moved out of Clarence House into BP, could William and Kate move into Clarence House? Then, could Harry and MeMe move into William and Kate's apartment at Kensington Palace? Harry and MeMe could then keep Frog Cott as their country home, so that the British taxpayer couldn't complain that the Sussex duo abandoned the renovated Frog Cott?

R295 People of Colour such as biracials, Asians and some Eurasians tan very easily.

I noticed that Meghan is darker during the summer as shown in the following picture from last summer at TTC.

At TTC in 2019 and the Yankees-Red Sox Game, I think Meghan was wearing skin foundation that also has sun protection. Being a jittery new mother, she probably went a bit overboard with the sunscreen foundation in order to protect her skin. I know CLINIQUE sells a wonderful sunscreen foundation called "Super City Block". She probably was using a sunscreen foundation for darker complexion or that was too dark for her complexion.

R328 Princess Diana had great skin because she was a member of the pampered British aristocrats who didn't work outdoors in the sun. The Queen and Margaret inherited their lovely complexion from their upper class Scottish mother. Kate inherited her darker complexion from the working class Goldsmiths who used to work outdoors. Meghan also came from a working or middle class background.

Kate's complexion is not dark. It's rather pale, really. Look at the contrast to her dark hair.

R375 What I meant is that Kate doesn't have the peaches and cream complexion of Princess Diana.

From where does Charles get his ruddy complexion? Neither his mother nor father are red like Charles.

R374 Kate looks nothing like her mothers family, out of the 3 siblings she looks like Middletons who weren't working class. Everyone seems to forget her father's side of her family. Yes her mother is from a working class family but the Middleton's were a wealthy legal family for generations. Her grandfather was a co-pilot with Prince Phillip, her great grandmother Olive Lupton was from a very prominent academic and wealthy family. Kate's father inherited a trust fund from his family and this paid for Kate, Pippa's and James's education. They didn't get all their money from the business.

I completely agree r361. She will have well earned that.

I thought Kate's uncle Gary paid for the Middleton children's education.

Harry and Meghan aren't getting a grand apartment in KP. Ever.

R347, I have regular botox and fillers ( my personal choice ).....What makes you think it stops you from smiling?

R349, I think the answer may be botox, but she has been super careful not to get the eyebrows lifted. When the eyebrows are lifted ( specific areas where the botox is placed ) those lines aren't as obvious. But can give a more startled look.

Where I live, women are huge fans of that, though, and you only have to go out for milk and you are standing next to Marlene Detrich. Or similar.

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Heeere's Edo!

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Here's part of this afternoon's speech that Harry will make.

Just in case we miss it.

Is this usual, to release a speech to the press before an event?

Love that Kate showed up at Wimbledon but hate the dress (especially the cheesy belt).

LOL at Kate showing up at Wimbledon today. Serena Williams is scheduled to play today. Weren't there articles just last week that Meghan was coming to Wimbledon to support Serena?

Not my favorite look on Kate. It would have been better with a different collar and belt.

So, do we think Yoko wrote the speech?

Kate looks like she was having fun at the tennis, bit thin though.

Indeed, R389. The Cambs are getting good at this.

Yoko definitely wrote the speech.

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Sarah Ferguson says ‘I’ll be sexy at 60!’

Fergie reveals ‘saucy’ side.

Here's the link to c and p if that bloody video player thing buggers you up

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7202859/Princess-Diana-thought-Kate-Meghan-truly-daughters-never-had.html

Poor Fergie, her ramblings have been reduced to fodder for the Express.

But we'll always be happy to catch her falling down drunk in Mayfair. Definitely.

To not have the vids on the DM auto launch, go to the settings wheel and unclick preview.

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Interesting that there isn't a comments section on the DM charity polo story.

I’m sure Tessy will have to make do on a reality show. They’ll call her a Princess even though she lost the title.

Good catch, R400.

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Kate at Wimbledon today. She has a great head of hair!

An unusual angle of Harry and Meghan.

A summary of Kate's Wimbledon outfit.

R407, Megsy constantly grabbing hubby's hand is just cringeworthy. As is Harry not immediately moving his hand away from Megsy's crotch region.

Is she putting his hand right where she wants his dick to go again as soon as possible?

R405 Just what Charles needs – another dramatic female in his life.

R384, haha, excellent! Love it!

Meanwhile, Kate is out and about today at Wimbledon, this time without her sister-in-law, in a very pretty outfit.

R394 As long as we're engaging in pure speculation, I imagine Diana and Meghan would have been intensely competitive with each other; too alike. Then again, Diana might have been the ONE person capable of keeping Meghan in line.

Carefully guided by her own mother, Kate would have known how to handle Diana and navigate her moods.

R405 "It's awkward."

R385 I cannot wait for the Beatrice-Edo nuptials. And oh, they are happening. Bea looks ecstatic, Edo looks delighted to be there, and she's got to get going on having kids. I fully approve of this match. Edo is a fantastic supporting player to add to the cast. He'll be a good boy, too; I predict no shenanigans.

R374 - Are you living in the 19th century? The Queen Mother's complexion was exceptional but if you think it was limited to the aristocracy, you're dreaming. Working in the fields may age and darken your skin but it doesn't change your DNA. The Queen Mother was born with that DNA and so was Diana. You could have found those lovely complexions on young girls in tea shops in Scotland and England. They call it the English Rose look and women outside the aristocracy as well as inside it were born with it. That's all genetic. And Queen Mary's alabaster complexion was legendary, as well, it just didn't how up in black and white photos, so the Windsors didn't only get their beautiful skins from one recent Scottish aristocrat ancestor.

Kate and Meghan have ordinary skins albeit with different colouring, both of them have had too much sun, Kate smoked in her younger years, and Meghan has worn too much heavy makeup for too long. All the cosmetics and procecdures in the world will never give them the complexions of their late mother-in-law, or their grandmother-in-law, or her mother, or their great- and great-great grandmothers-in-law. You can't buy it - you can only cover, conceal, highlight, contour, and approximate it in middle- and distace photos. Close-up? Not.

As I said, you could have found that kind of skin scattered across Britain on girls in tea shops and Boots. They just don't show up in the papers.

Diana's lovely skin was just one of those genetic gifts, along with her large blue eyes and long beautiful legs.

DNA, and maybe also the damp climate?

I remember as a kid visiting Scotland years ago, and being struck by all the rosy cheeks.

R409 - The double arm-hand grab is oddly disturbing, as if he were a child she had to reassure. Like everything else she does in public, it's overstated, exaggerated, more about her than him, and calculated for public viewing.

As for Meghan "turning to Charles" - oh my sides! The tabs must be getting desperate for fodder, they're making up stories daily now out of whole cloth using that tired old "a source close to . . . revealed" that no one believes any longer, and it's also clear at this point that the tabs don't care if the seams show.

That christening can't come soon enough, or the next story will be about Meghan and Harry planning to extend their humanitarian work to Mars.

The only thing Meghan is turning to Charles for is more money for the luxury lifestyle she married his son to obtain.

R417 - I'm not sure about the climate impact, although it probably helps bestow a dewy look on the locals, at least for awhile. I think it's something that got into the gene pool and created a subset of a type of "look".

Many years ago, I saw the late Susannah York on a street in London. She was, of course, very pretty, also a specific English look, but when I passed her on the street it wasn't her blue eyes and delicate figure and blondeness that struck me, but her beautiful skin.

It should also be pointed out that those dewy fine-pored fair complexions of the sort Diana et al., had don't last long if you don't take care of them. Sun, smoking, alcohol, and heavy makeup coarsen them very quickly. Sun, especially. Oily skins, although less appealing in youth, tend to hold up better in old age, and wrinkle less.

R420

R415 Edo is going to be the next Fergie of the royal family, eventually he’ll have some equivalent of the toe-sucking pictures. There aren’t many red flags bigger than “abruptly left a fiancé and his young baby.” Not that I’m complaining, it’s good for gossip. But I do feel a little bad for Bea.

Kate’s outfit today makes me wonder if her old stylist is back from maternity leave. It’s a little less elegant than the looks she’s put together recently.

The Sussexes’ complete lack of self-awareness. Melanie McDonagh.

There’s no stopping the Sussexes, is there? Right after they get up everyone’s nose by saying their son’s christening is out of bounds, they’ve gone and told us all to save the planet. On Instagram, obviously. And to help us do it, they posted images of penguins, a sea turtle and a little child holding a placard saying You’re Never Too Small to Make a Difference. They want us to look at 15 different accounts, from – yep – Greta Thunberg to Leonardo diCaprio’s climate change foundation and Elephants Without Borders. And then change our ways.

That’s right. The Sussexes. The Duchess, who shared Amal Clooney’s private jet to get to her baby shower in the US – the one that cost £350,000 all told. The couple who fly by private plane whenever it suits and did a substantial amount to contribute to the doubling of the Royal family’s carbon footprint last year. Those Sussexes.

Sagely, Prince Harry observed, ‘with nearly 7.7 billion people inhabiting this Earth, every choice, every action makes a difference.’ Oh really? But then this, for the royal couple, is July and July is Environment Month, when they’re going to badger us about emissions and plastic, as opposed to May, which was Mental Health awareness month. Did you feel better after that? Did anyone? (cont. below)

(cont). Meanwhile, down here where the air is a little thicker, people are still resentful about the possibility of spending £600,000 next year on the couple’s home improvement bill. On top of the £2.5 million for the last financial year. Even the Duchess’s groupies – and they include most of the commentariat – found that hard to swallow.

But we still haven’t got the hang of the Duchess, which is that she’s American, and in the US, when people make it, they show it by spending lots of money. Conspicuous consumption is simply what you do – that baby shower was a case in point. Usually it’s allied with very public philanthropy, and for those of a liberal persuasion, the philanthropy is liberal too – preferably of the raising awareness sort as opposed to the merely practical, like helping the rehabilitation of prisoners or something. But where that culture comes into collision with the norms over here is when much – not all – of the money being conspicuously consumed is from the taxpayer, viz, those very much less fortunate than the Sussexes. Showing how much they care isn’t a substitute for a tincture of self-awareness about these realities. Sara Latham, who worked for the Clintons and who was brought on board to handle the Sussexes’ PR a few months back, doesn’t seem to have done them much good, does she? Though you can’t blame her for the ineffable self-regard of the pair.

And after we’ve been edified by the couple for a whole month about the environment, and they’ve kept baby Archie from prying eyes during his baptism – which doesn’t have to be public, but would be nice if it were, on account of it being a Christian sacrament – what then? Will they carry on surfacing erratically on Instagram and at congenial public events? And what will August bring? Female empowerment month, maybe? Can you wait?

There seems to be a feline, reserved, calculating element to Edo that is utterly different from Fergie’s doglike, enthusiastic disposition. If Edo decides he wants out of the marriage eventually he will carefully engineer his own exit - far more so than his previous departure when he dumped his baby and fiancée for the homely Princess.

R426 - Spot on. He's going to be Thierry Roussel to Bea's Cristina Onassis. It's a shame - she may not be a great beauty but Bea isn't the eyesore Cristina was and she had a loving father, not a brute of one like Ari Onassis, and her mother wasn't a great beauty who overshadowed her like Cristin'sa did. I don't understand it. Bea's not hopeless, she's just looking in the wrong direction. She needs a nice English country squire who'll admire her sweetness, red hair, and buxom figure, and take her off to a large country house where she can bring up a few kids amidst dogs and sheep - not a handsome eurotrash grifter who will always be prettier than she is and who will make her look more of a fool in her horrible attempts at high fashion, not less of one.

And Cristina Onassis knew the ball game when she married Roussel. She wasn't under any illusions. But I doubt that's the case with Bea.

Yes, I know, she's privileged, but it's still sad seeing any woman do this to herself, let alone in the public eye.

Wouldn't Prince Charles's idea of streamlining the Royal Family save taxpayers money and make them more like the rest of the European Royal Families?

R428 - Yes, it would. The Danish Parliament last year told the DRF that only the monarch and the Heir (that is, currently, Queen Margrethe and Crown Prince Frederik, and eventually it will be King Frederik and his son, Crown Prince Christian) could expect continued taxpayer support (the "appenage") for their households. The younger children, Frederik's brother, Prince Joachim, and Joachim's children, will be expected to make their own way without government support, despite continuing to carry out official work on behalf of Denmark and the monarchy. The Glucksbergs are fairly wealthy, if not on the level that the British and Dutch and Lichtensteinian royal families are, so I doubt any of the younger members will go without trust funds and support. The DRF immediately responded with, Of course, we never expected that the taxpayers would support any of the others . . .

The contrast is marked. There is something ridiculous about the sixth in line and his wife acting as if they are terribly important. They aren't. They should not be supported at this level in a Britain suffering from one of the highest levels of income inequality in the West, and with so many children living below the poverty line. It's bad optics.

I say cut Harry and Meghan off, and let them head off to America to see make their fortunes, and get off the backs of the British taxpayer.

Am I the only one who doesn't find Edo particularly good looking?

One thing I find concerning about him is that, in the photographs I've seen of them together, he's never looking at Beatrice.

R430 - he's never looking at Beatrice because he's too busy looking at the camera. Bea isn't that easy on the eyes so it's best that he averts his gaze.

Andrew at a whiskey distilleryin Scotland.

Eugenie promotes plastic free July.

Kate makes a lot of faces watching Wimbledon tennis.

Photos of Prince Harry at the Diana Awards.

Harry's speech.

Harry really does try too hard.

Meghan was gifted with a bracelet.

Kate watching a practice at Wimbledon.

Kate meets Andy Murray.

A video of William lending his support to the English ladies soccer team.

It's Tiara Time - the "Papyrus" Lotus Tiara.

The texture of the Queen's outfit and hat is interesting. I love her pearls and brooch.

Margaret's dress is pretty.

Elizabeth with Anne as a baby.

Daughter, mother and wife = three queens in mourning for King George VI = one new sovereign and two consorts.

Is that wretched creature gone yet?

Sophie and the Queen.

Regarding our experts in divorce and custody proceedings:

Prince Louis has very little income. His parents have protected him via financial maneuvering and offshore accounts.

Prince Harry has his own money. He will be made to pay sizable child support as he is a wealthy man IN HIS OWN RIGHT, regardless of his family's resources.

Basically, Prnce Louis is poor on paper. harry is not.

I don’t think Charles has a ruddy complexion, it looks more like a medical condition. Lupus? Rosacea?

I feel positive for Beatrice! I think Edo will be so delighted to be a member of the Royal Family that he’ll be a good boy.

R444 Very! Margaret had some cute outfits.

Zara looks a lot like her about the face.

Part of why Bea makes bad choices is watching both of her parents make them repeatedly. Fergie and Andrew clearly love and are close with their girls, neither one is a strong, ethical person with priorities in check.

R429 It’s been reported for the last five or so years that Prince Charles is in favor of “streamlining” the monarchy to focus on the monarch’s immediate family, or its “senior members.” The monarch’s immediate family would consist of their spouse, their children, their children’s spouses and, if applicable, the monarch’s grandchildren via the eldest child and heir. This is why Little Archie doesn't have a title.

William and Kate would move into the position of Prince and Princess of Wales, while Harry (and, someday, his spouse) would be taking on a significantly larger workload. This is why we are seeing Harry taking on more public engagements.

In 2012, the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee, celebrating 60 years on the throne, the Buckingham Palace balcony was not weighed down with the Queen’s extended family, or even the members that carry out public engagements on her behalf. Andrew was reported to be miffed that he and his other siblings were excluded from the display. And indeed, many of the press reports that have come out in recent months stem from news stories originating during this time period. However, in 2016 the story took a turn when it was said that Andrew had sent a long and angry missive to his mother, the Queen, demanding that his daughters be made full-time working royals, claiming they were in danger of being over-shadowed by William, Kate and Harry. The Queen, in turn, was said to have handed the letter over to one of her minister, so rattled was she by its contents.

In theory, Andrew is worried about his daughters’ future.

R449 Don't you think that Harry's finances have been similarly structured to protect him from being fleeced in a divorce?

Before the wedding when it was reported that Harry refused to make Meghan sign a pre-nup (which would not have been enforceable under British law...) it was pointed out that he likely did not need any such document because his wealth was tied up in trusts etc. that couldn't be touched. The RF hasn't exactly been transparent when it comes to their finances but they aren't stupid. They know how to protect their money. Meghan is not going to make off with a huge fortune, just like Fergie was not awarded a huge fortune.

One part of Fergie's settlement that I found interesting is that her annual maintenance was only about 20K a year and was calculated based on the salary Andrew earned as a naval officer. Her payments were not based on Andrew's wealth, nor on his mother's wealth. What exactly was Harry's "job" and how much salary did earn from that "job" when they got married?

Swipe for some lovely photos of Diana.

This is one of Diana's outfits that stands the test of time. It could be worn today.

R457 - Her hair looks nice in that one, the blonding is much subtler; I didn't like her full on platinum look.

Kate and Meghan would photograph like that in their dreams.

In the multiphoto IG post above yours, it's the last photo of Diana in her red ski suit that impresses me the post about how fantastically photogenic she was. One forgets, sometimes.

R455 - Charles had to liquidate almost his entire personal investment portfolio to pay Diana's divorce settlement of £17 million (needless to say it has recovered quite nicely in the ensuing years). Since then, I believe the sons' trusts have been hedged about with enough safeguards to ensure that if he and Meghan divorce, she won't be able to expect much more than Fergie got. She won't get anything like what Diana got, for obvious reasons: her children aren't any longer in the direct line to the throne, William's are, and Harry isn't nearly as rich as his father was. That said, he's probably richer than Prince Andrew was at the time of his divorce because of the trust fund.

They'd likely skew any settlement between the Sussexes to one very much like the Yorks': one six-figure cash payment, child support including payment for Archie's education through university, a house, and an annual modest stipend. Meghan's problem is that if such a divorce occurred before she became a UK citizen, the American tax laws would come into play.

So don't expect any divorce until at least four years from now. By then, she can have gotten UK citizenship, renounced her American citizenship to evade the IRS, had a second child to up the cash payment, and probably the use of FrogCott for her lifetime whilst Harry moves back to Kensington Cottage.

For R327:

R460 -Well, one never knows with Fayed, do one?

R327

Zara looked like a sausage packed into her bridesmaid dress. Don't get me started on those tan lines.

R462 - Second that. So did several of the other bridesmaids, if I remember (the Phillips sold the wedding photos to HELLO so there were plenty of images).

That said, I though Autumn Phillips looked wonderful. It was a perfect wedding dress for her, fitted beautifully, the material was beautiful, and she took the little bolero top off to go bare shouldered for the reception.

[quote] Many years ago, I saw the late Susannah York on a street in London

r420. Lucky You! Between her and Julie Christie, I don't know who took my breath away more those first moments I saw their faces up on the big film screen in "Superman" and "Heaven Can Wait".

In my eyes, neither have faces that are conventionally beautiful or pretty, but, instead something more significant and lasting: so striking and over the top good-looking.

Edo and Bea in Hollywood

Kate's Wimbledon dress is perfect - perfectly boring , presentable, classic and, she, of course, looks fantastic in it. One quibble: it doesn't need both the small black bow tie brooch and the bow at the front of the belt.

I do wish she'd be a bit more daring for events whose insignificance it warrants it. For example Wimbledon is an athletic event; not a dress-up daytime garden party. I wish she would have chosen pants. She was photographed in wider-legged flares in which, because of her height and thinness, she looked fantastic.

And I'll throw a bone her to Meghan haters. Remember when Meghan wore long-legged pants to Wimbledon last year? I do and I liked them. By Kate wearing them this year she would subtly have announced, " Sweetie, here's how it's done".

Edo wants to be a celebrity. I can see him having an affair in 4 or 5 years with Meg.

The Queen was “rattled” by her second son/third child, who was like 6th in line by that point? How do you rattle one of the most influential persons in the world? That story smells, Andy doesn’t have that much power, which is why he hasn’t been able to remarry Sarah.

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The bow brooch Kate wore was the club brooch, of which she's a patron ( All England Lawn Tennis & Croquet Club) . It looked black in the pictures, but that's the mind playing tricks with her being awash in white with black accessories, it's actually purple and green, the official Wimbledon colours

Female members wear the bow, although it's optional. And male members wear the purple and green striped tie, again, optional.

It used to be imperative to wear, though, back in the day.

R427, maybe the life you're envisioning is not the one she wants. She seems to enjoy jetsetting around rubbing elbows with celebs. Maybe she's happy to have Edo as arm candy while she parties her way around the world.

R430, no you're not the only one who doesn't think Edo is particularly attractive. I see that he's a classic pretty boy, but he's not at all what I think of as handsome or hot.

I note from R441 that PW's Windsors accent was not too far off the real thing.

Interesting. This says that Diana made provisions in her will for her son's future spouses and children. Is there any way to find the exact wording to see if there are provisions as to how that fund would be handled in the event of a divorce?

"Finally: What about Meghan Markle? Newsweek reports that Markle’s marriage to Prince Harry made her a wealthier woman. Harry has a rumored net worth of $40 million, in part due to his inheritance from Princess Diana. Plus, his expenses as a working royal are paid by the estate of Prince Charles. But as The Balance reports, Princess Diana’s will also established a Discretionary Fund for the benefit of Prince William, Prince Harry, and their future descendants and spouses. It was funded by intellectual property rights, all wearing apparel, £100,000, and income earned by the fund’s assets. The income earned is to be distributed among the beneficiaries — and that likely includes Meghan Markle."

I wonder if there really were those provisions in Diana's will that that would be used to fund the bulk of the divorce settlement rather than being in addition to a family payout. That was Charles' money to begin with. So what does Harry have personally besides that? And since when is someone's father and/or gran expected to pay their divorce settlement?

[QUOTE] Those British royals sure do like their whiskey.

Hence, their brown teeth

R429 According to a new report, Prince Charles took Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie off royal payroll because they’re not “working royals” — and Andrew isn’t exactly thrilled about the decision, Express reports. Andrew has worked hard to keep his daughters, who he shares Duchess of York Sarah Ferguson, in the good graces of the royal family, but Charles, as the eldest son, has inevitably held more sway.

Beatrice and Eugenie graduated university in 2011 and 2012, respectively, and did not become “working royals” in the period that followed. To be a working royal is to take on the duties of royals like Prince Harry, Prince William and their spouses: All four regularly attend official events in support of the Queen, and all four receive funds from a royal payroll. (The “payroll” consists of a taxpayer-funded Sovereign Grant, paid directly to royal from the Treasury).

In 2016, Andrew is said to have written the Queen requesting that his daughters be funded by the Sovereign Grant. When she refused, he was reportedly livid. According to a royal source at the time for Express, Andrew “always wanted his daughters to be full-time royals” and “sees it as a slight on him and them if they are not.” Further, he’s been concerned for a while now that “his daughters are being overshadowed by William, Kate and Harry and it will get worse as Prince George and Princess Charlotte get older.”

According to the Evening Standard’s royal editor, the decision not to fund Beatrice and Eugenie may have been a result of Charles’s influence. “When Charles ascends the throne — which he will do despite all the talk to the contrary,” he told Vanity Fair back in 2011. “Ge’d like the Royal Family to be streamlined: he wants a smaller, more cost-effective monarchy.” So, while Andrew made a “tremendous effort” to keep his daughters close to Queen Elizabeth II, it was always Charles’s plan to have Beatrice and Eugenie “thrown off the royal payroll” and made to “fend for themselves.”

According to Prince Andrew’s website, he “supports both of his daughters financially from his private income” — and has publicly stated that his daughters taking on royal duties could “take some of the burden off” his own workload.

R477 - the trouble with Charles is that he spends all of the money he saves when he throws family members off the royal payroll. There's more money for him. He's a hypocrite.

Photos and videos of Camilla in Wales today.

The Queen held an investiture at the Palace of Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh. Here are some of the receipients.

More word salad by Sussex Royal for Harry's event today. Moderation is not a word in their vocabulary. His mother's correct title was NOT Princess Diana but HRH Diana, Princess of Wales. Whoever writes this shit knows squat.

I like Kate's outfit today.

Camilla's hats over the years - the good, the bad and the ugly.

The Queen demonstrating the British motto: "Keep calm and carry on".

Elizabeth and Philip with Anne and Charles (his head is peeking out).

Charles was closer to his grandmother than his own parents.

I like Eugenie and Beatrice and do think they should be allowed to be put into service since Harry and Meghan keep making misstep after misstep. All that said, who is Andrew to complain about them being overshadowed by the Cambridges? The same goes for Harry, too. Honestly, they were born into this family - do they not understand how monarchy works? They've literally had decades to absorb and accept their place in the family.

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The queen mother was a notorious domineering bitch, who, along with Phillip and Mountbatten took over the raising of Charles.

Prince Charles appoints a new Official Harpist.

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R481 Actually, just “Diana, Princess of Wales”. No HRH after the divorce.

R492 - I was referring to Diana's title BEFORE her divorce.

A formal portrait of Princess Anne.

Anne was in Cumbria today.

Anne attended a dinner at Lady Diana's ancestral home, Spencer House. She was wearing a granny knitted shawl.

Photos of the Greville Tiara - from the Queen Mum to Camilla.

The Prince and the Rottweiler - I mean - Camilla.

There is a Royal Women exhibition at the Fashion Museum in Bath. Here is one of Sophie's outfits.

Time for the next thread.

My apologies. It's only 500 posts.

R564 - I agree completely, Della. Christie was extraordinary. And I like how she has aged. As I once posted on another thread, had I been other than who I am, Honor Blackman would have been my pinup (giving my age away here a bit), another woman who aged fantastically - Christie and York would definitely be in that category.

R497 - I usually think of that one as the Honeycomb, but, yes, it was part of the Greville bequest.

Coals to Newcastle, as they say.

R472 - "R427 maybe the life you're envisioning is not the one she wants. She seems to enjoy jetsetting around rubbing elbows with celebs. Maybe she's happy to have Edo as arm candy while she parties her way around the world."

That's my point: she's looking in the wrong decoration.

Did Kate forget to pick up MeMe on the way to Wimbledon today? Kate was later overheard to say, "Whoops, I knew I forgot something."

Have you been on the sherry again R491 ? ;-)

I mentioned way earlier upthread that Harry appeared to ignore Meghan as she spoke to him at the baseball game and then turned away, kept smiling, and brushing her hair back. Now, the DM has the story up, "Eagle-eyed royal fans [sic] claim Harry 'ignored' Meghan when he failed to notice her chatting to him during 'awkward' moment at baseball game."

These two are going to be the gift that keeps on giving for at least another four years.

R507. Well, Harry was holding MeMe's hand at the baseball game. Or maybe she was holding his hand. And his arm.

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R466 At Wimbledon they are obsessed by the dress code especially the colour white for competitors. As for the dress code for the Royal box, men have to wear proper shoes, shirt, jacket and tie and women have to wear "demure dress". No hats allowed, I guess that is why MM didn't plonk her Panama hat her head last year, she would have been told "not allowed". Though you can wear a hat outside the royal box. MM's trousers were really not that appropriate for the occasion either. Formula one champion Lewis Hamilton was denied entry to the royal box a few years ago for not having a jacket and tie.

R471 is right, Kate is wearing the bow because of her royal patronage of the All England Lawn Tennis & Croquet Club which she has worn in the past.

R476, Whisky doesn't turn your teeth brown, nitwit.

Coffee, tea, and cigarettes.

'She has yet to grasp what William and Kate know; and William probably caught on to the following as a young man. That is, mingling with and greeting A List, celebrity show folk trash is fun, interesting, perhaps thrilling depending on who it is, but, overall, it's not the purpose of your position as a Royal; it's a part of the job'

Try telling that to Diana, who loved nothing more than mingling with the A listers of the 80s like George Micheal (who she made a pass at) and Simon le Bon of Duran Duran.

With the small chapel only holding 30 guests, it looks like the A listers won't be there in droves. Beyoncé wasn't even at the wedding so why would she be at the funeral? Meghan isn't in the music world and doesn't seem to know many people from it.

R476 is a Skippie with that signature, Your Dirty Pillows. Her whole identity on DL is rooted in attacking MM.

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it will be interesting if one of the York girls gets pregnant outside wedlock and keeps the baby. Has that ever happened before to one of the top royals?

[Quote]Try telling that to Diana, who loved nothing more than mingling with the A listers of the 80s like George Micheal (who she made a pass at) and Simon le Bon of Duran Duran.

Don't forget me (ahem).

- Bryan

[quote] I don't believe that Charles has waited all this time to become king and not move into Buckingham Palace. Charles likes all the trappings that go with getting as Diana called it, "the top job," even if BP is only symbolic, he's got to live there as a symbol of the monarchy.

You are a fool. The entire Royal Family hates Buckingham Palace. HATES IT. The Queen stays there as little as possible. Charles could live there now if he wanted. It's old (and not in a good way), and hasn't been refurbished since before WW II. The roofs leak and it's full of rats.

[quote]he's got to live there as a symbol of the monarchy.

Where do you get this foolish nonsense from? He doesn't have to do a damned thing.

R514 - Andy doesn't have fat genes. He may be fat due to his self-indulgence, but that's not the same as "fat genes" (look at his parents and siblings). Andy's weight is a choice, more precisely, it's the natural consequence of his choices. Fergie is a different story. Edo clearly doesn't have a fat gene. Potential kids together are dice to be rolled. Could be quite beautiful if they get her coloring and his build. Who knows?

In any event, they probably won't have to hide under a blanket for 6 weeks.

[quote] [R476] is a Skippie with that signature, Your Dirty Pillows. Her whole identity on DL is rooted in attacking MM.

Thank you for identifying him for us, Starry. We have dispatched our agents and neutralized the Skippie. Expect a mark of appreciation from her Highness for your services to the Crown.

R405, it was weird though, how at the Investiture, when she was acting out, he was the most sympathetic seeming. Harry has been trained since birth how to act at events, I cannot believe he went along with that stunt to photobomb the pictures. His hostility for his family was on full display.

You must mean....THE NEW SCOTLAND YARD surely, r519.

[quote]According to Prince Andrew’s website, he “supports both of his daughters financially from his private income” — and has publicly stated that his daughters taking on royal duties could “take some of the burden off” his own workload.

oh please. He has no private income (he has a measly pension). He pals around with dictators and scumbags. He is the one who was really selling access to himself and the Queen. Fergie was just the middleman for him. He couldn't go out and collect the money. That's where she came in and that's why he bailed her out and still associates with her.

He's also rented out Buckingham Palace to rich people. He got caught when the beckhams talked about it on social media. The courtiers said he had them there as guests and a bunch of other bullshit, but they also had to admit that it wasn't the first time this has happened. They couldn't lie and say it never happened, what if someone else talked? It would be a giant scandal if it got out that Air Miles Andy was regularly using Buckingham Palace as an Air bnb. And his daughter's wedding was much more over the top than Harry and Meghans. Where did he get the money for that? He's pure trash

R517, what is it with you attitude? Who the hell do yo think you are? You're one of the most arrogant, ill mannered creatures in this swamp.

In language you might understand, go fuck yourself, you pompous twat.

R515 no there has never been an illegitimate child ever in the history of the British Royal family or any royal family...lol

R522 - Andrew does have a private income. He had a trust fund set up as a child and has a portfolio of investments. He's not rich the way Charles is, but he's not living on just that naval pension, that's absurd.

And his daughter's wedding was appropriate for the Queen's granddaughter and her second son's daughter - Andrew is closer to the Queen than Harry is, he's her son, not her grandson, and as Harry's bride was a 36 year old American divorcee on her second marriage, their wedding was appropriately less grand than the Queen's flesh and blood granddaughter's on a first marriage.

Andrew isn't anyone's idea of terrific, but the idea that his daughter who'd been a member of the Queen's intimate family for nearly 30 years wasn't entitled to just as grand if not a grander wedding than a 36 year old divorced American to her sixth in line grandson is also absurd.

R522 Oh dear here are the ignorant MM fans abusing the Yorks. Andrew is worth over 80 million plus he invests in tech. Andrew also has rooms and an office in Buckingham Palace, so of course he would entertain there if he is in London. Honestly grow up!

That Andrew! He's a real gentleman. I bet he even has a footman remove all the dishes from the sink before he misses in it!

R523 I'm guessing R517 is the hapless NOKD Troll. Same angry-assed tone. Am I right, R517? Be more respectful to your fellow BRF mavens here on DL!

If the Megstans were smart (emphasis on IF), they'd want to see Andrew and his daughters do well. After all, he's achieved more as a royal than Harry every did. And Harry's even more of spare (i.e., even less important) than Andy ever was.

Careful about acting like crabs in barrel, Smegmas. This is your future in the mirror.

Frankly, if Harry had any dignity instead of being the petulant defensive twat that he is, he'd have insisted on an even lower-key marriage, given his choice of bride. The long white veil over the face of a 36 year old divorced actress who everyone knew had enough "backstory" to sink a battleship was farcical, so was the carriage ride, so was the badly fitting gown, and so was the lame attempts at multiculturalist b.s., like the awful preacher from Chicago, and the slew of celebrity guests like Idris Elba who wouldn't have known Meghan Markle from a hole in the ground until she snagged a Windsor.

The Harkles were lucky to get the wedding they did and a good deal of it was cringe-worthy.

And as it was, Harry's coarse wannabe bitch of a bride did her best with the maternity coat stunt to steal some attention from the Queen's granddaughter at her wedding.

The Sussex wedding was second rate affair because it deserved to be.

[quote] Andrew also has rooms and an office in Buckingham Palace, so of course he would entertain there if he is in London.

Sure Jan. He threw a birthday party for the Beckham's daughter out of the goodness of his heart. He's SUCH GOOD FRIENDS with them.

This may actually be true. Pedophiles will do anything to be around kids. I wonder what he gave the birthday girl?

And he sure the fuck isn't worth 80 million. If he even had half of that you would never see him. He only likes to hang out with rich, trash. The shadier, the better

[quote] If the Megstans were smart (emphasis on IF), they'd want to see Andrew and his daughters do well.

Sure, because our lives depend on them. The whole rotten family could die tomorrow and it wouldn't have any effect on me

You, on the other hand would probably miss work and mourn them. I've been on this site for 20 years. I only post occasionally on the royal threads because all of you female cunts have invaded this place and I keep seeing all these threads. Go away cunts

R532 No one who has actually been on DL for years believes a word of what you say, you also forgot to call everyone a Frau.

If you are so ambivalent to the BRF why on earth are you on this thread? Be gone secret Meg lover!

R531 Oh dear you are really so stupid and ignorant. Time for you to crawl back to your basement and take your meds. I'm sure a lie down will help with your hysterical ravings.

Andrew says Hi! remember when I was the hottest Prince.

[quote] Be gone secret Meg lover!

No I will never leave! I curse all you haters for trying to harm my lady with your negative vibes!

I think you’ve hit on a new insult, R533. Why you dirty rotten ‘secret Meg lover’!

lol, r536

Who is disparaging my love? Stand to attention bitches!

I couldn't believe that skank was allowed to wear that cringeworthy over the face veil, or indeed any veil at all given her history. That carriage ride cost the taxpayers millions in security. For some z list nobody with a personality disorder. It's unreal. The divorce can't come soon enough and I think it will be much sooner than another 4-6 years.

You know who young Lady Diana always reminded me of? Julie Andrews, especially in “The Sound of Music.”’ Same graceful English rose quality, good nature.

No, R493 Diana’s style and title before her divorce were “HRH The Princess of Wales”. First name, previous title implies that the person referred to is either a divorcee or widow. She was neither prior to her divorce.

Megs takes a bath.

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Did her family ruin her life?

Photos of the necklace given to the Queen from the King of Saudi Arabia.

The Duchess of Gloucester will join the Queen next week for a visit to a Cambridge hospital.

Remember the stories that the new PR narrative included Pa and Sam? They are always trotted out by her and act out when she needs to stoke the plucky victim narrative. Maybe there was something to it?

So now Meghan is back to trying to cozy up to Charles it seems. She did that when her and Harry were engaged, "the father I never had". Transparent PR is transparent.

Photos of the music and drama event which was hosted by Charles and Camilla hosted at their Welsh home last night.

Sam and Pa have been awfully quiet. I thought Sister Sam's book was due out a couple months ago? Have they been bought off?

I don't believe there was a book. She said there were two books....and not even any self publishing, nor vanity publishing, searches came up. She firstly said they were explosive. Then she changed her tune and said they weren't. Maybe she was fishing for deals? Maybe she was bought off? Maybe they are all in this together? Nothing surprises me anymore, to be honest. Since the Splash News court case, the WHOLE family are using Backgrid, now. MM's publicity is at an all time low, now, as poster above have pondered....lets see if the Markles get wheeled out to boost her profile and change the narrative.

posters, not poster.

R546 I was saying that just the other day - Diana and Meghan are too similar, would have butted heads.

I aways enjoy Lady Colin Campbell's takes, which seem perceptive, if bitchy. Her book "Diana In Private" was quite the juicy read, well before the Morton book. First to come right out and suggest Diana could be a piece of work.

A few meows from the DM article:

"'I hope she fulfils the tremendous expectations,' she said, adding that royal family members marrying 'commoners' encouraged non-regal women to target princes 'for the platform'.

'They want perpetual stardom scripted by themselves,' she went on. 'With some it works well, with others the results are more mixed. Let's say the jury's out.'

She previously told the Irish Independent that Meghan is 'much better educated and more academic' than Diana, and 'almost disturbingly self-confident'.

Having also identified their 'discomforting parallels', Lady Colin added: 'We must hope that Meghan has no psychological instability - as Diana had - and won't hit the buffers at any point, as Diana did.'

Speaking about the Duchess of Cambridge, Lady Colin said she was doing a 'superb' job and 'can't be faulted in her performance or demeanour'.

I'm loathe to post a link to Tumblr for fear of backlash lol, but there is an interesting piece, from someone I've never heard of ( people here seem to know all the bloggers names, but I've not heard this one mentioned) questioning whether Meghan is mentally ill.

It's not a snide piece, at all, I thought it was interesting.

As noted above, Andrew is not anyone's idea of a great guy, but your insistence that he's living on his naval pension is as idiotic as anything else I've heard on this site. He does have a trust fund, he does have investmets, and the poster was not far off: cheatsheet puts his worth at $75 million. You think his Mum left him with just his pension? Really?

I think Sam was bought off. Or she's waiting patiently for the shit to REALLY hit the fan so she can cash in on even more shocking Megsy stories. Imagine the dough she can earn when selling the RIGHT story at the RIGHT time. Given how tremendously MeGain has been fucking up by now, the only thing it takes to benefit moneywise from releasing some new Megsy stories is a bit of patience.

R547 That was a cute little article, nothing crazy but cute.

This quote stood out:

KEN LENNOX, Former royal photographer: ‘Diana was a bold girl, and I think Charles found her too difficult. Whereas Camilla was totally acquiescent to everything Charles wanted or said or did, Diana was a young girl with different ideas.

Well, there you have it.

R557 - Caught the Campbell column, too, and wondered why it took the press so long to note the very obvious but less rosy similarities between the two women. How long have posters here pointed out that Harry's marriage indicates a man working out Mummy issues that he's never resolved, and in doing so, married a woman exhibiting several of Diana's worst characteristics?

Who the fuck is "Jan" and why does s/he come up like a jack in the box any time someone (or some ONE) wants to insinuate that the poster is a mole from Frog Cottage?

Imagine if Diana were still around. She wouldn't be sainted as she is now. We'd probably be reading articles about how Meghan finds her overbearing.

I don’t know how anyone can think that Markle hasn’t had filler recently injected into her face. She looks like a chipmunk at the moment.

R558 - You don't have to post a link but you could give us a hint, a name . . .

R565, that's not filler that is fat. She has definitely had botox in her forehead but she didn't need to fill those cheeks, they filled themselves with the treats she has put in her piehole

Meghan was born with chipmunk cheeks. She dieted them down severely in her salad days but all it took was slipping over the shady side of 35 and getting pregnant as fast as possible for them to return. She's either eating merrily or on some sort of medication or both.

R566 The account is called WeAllNeedSunshine , the url is 77foxglove at the Tumblr site. and the blog post is as I mentioned in my previous post.

It will be interesting to see what you think of it, if you find it / have a read.

In view of the similarities between the narcissism of his demanding, controlling wife and his sainted mother, I thought it quite ironic that Harry should recently have trumpeted publicly that being a good role model [for his son] can "heal the wounds of the past". The shade thrown at Charles re the "wounds of the past" and the implication that his father wasn't such a great role model isn't exactly subtle.

Harry is a very damaged man, far more so than his brother, and his marriage increasingly is exposing that. Unfortunately, Harry isn't a particularly interesting damaged man, so he'll end up looking foolish rather than tragic.

Meg writes such shit.

What about healing the wounds of her past?

R569 - I found the 77Foxglove site and the "Which Side Is Harry On?" and "Is Harry Complicit?" pieces. I'm sorry to say that whilst some of the criticisms of Harry's and Meghan's behaviour aren't too far beyond those familiar here, the rest of it follows the tinhat Skippy Torontopaper paths: the insinuation that the baby in the photocall was a doll, that they're both drugged up most of the time, that investigative reporting has been stifled by the Palace, that she is a political mole inserted into the family to get it to "agree" with BREXIT (the "family" don't get a say on BREXIT either way, and that includes the Queen, who is forced constitutionally to accept anything that Parliament passes), mentioning Clinton, Soros, Epstein, and Obama as her "backers" who then deserted her, the blackmail theory . . .

Sorry. This is more from the Skippy-Torontopaper brigade. This woman, whoever she is, is another nutjob mentioning Illuminati hand signals.

Aah right, R572, I didn't read any of those pieces at all. It was just the one querying MM's mental state.

I'll give that a miss from now on.

I'm more interested in MM's brain, her psyche, not the speculation of mad old women, lol.

Damn, Carole Middleton looks fantastic for a woman one year from 70.

MEGHAN Markle is putting possible nannies through an "audition" process that is "humiliating" for them, a royal source has revealed.

R575 - Don't parents just "interview" a nanny like any other job? If they like her and they see she's good with the baby, she's hired. What the hell does "auditioning" mean? Does Nutmeg give them a script, order them to memorize it and then they "act" it out together?

Andrew visits a university. He never went to university so maybe he learned something.

WEDNESDAY, JULY 03, 2019

Blind Item #4

Considering how much they are not getting along right now and what a disaster that last overseas trip ended up being, this upcoming trip should be one for the ages. I wonder if the foreign born permanent A+ list celebrity really knew what he was in for when he got married.

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R575 - You have to know that that article, like most of them on the subject of Meghan's temperament and staff issues, is carefully reporting the proverbial tip of the iceberg, hedging the nugget of the article with lame semi-excuses for the problem that, interestingly, the Cambridges didn't appear to suffer from.

If the NDAs were that exclusive, the tabloids wouldn't have heard about the nannies leaving. Someone is carefully leaking this.

If Meghan has to clutch Harry's arm in public with both hands constantly, you can imagine the responses her newborn son have generated in her obsessive psyche.

I did think all the secrecy stuff around the birth and christening were sheer grandstanding on Meghan's part, but I'm beginning to wonder if having a baby has excerbated her paranoia about total control of loved ones.

Little sympathy for Harry here, he was a grown man when he proposed to Meghan. Archie, however, had no say in the matter.

One sympathises already.

I wonder if the family guesses the extent of her mental difficulties? After all, they missed Diana's until after the wedding, too.

The Sun are also running an article " AISLE BE BACK. How many times has Meghan Markle been married? "

It's nothing we haven't heard before, as in the official story.

But interesting that they run this teasing title now.

In the month of June, the 93-year-old Queen did an impressive 40 engagements. Rock on, Majesty!

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I guess we missed all the "sweet" jewellery details, just like we almost missed the rings at TTC!

So good of someone to make sure we get all the "sweet" details. Phew!

R586 - Personally, I don't think Meghan gives any "sweet" vibes off.

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Meghan just seems like a clingy ball of need. Can you imagine how exhausting she is to be around 24-7?

Next thread Part 83 is up but please post on here as there are about ten more posts. Thanks.

The York sisters.

Lady Diana Spencer in the early months of her relationship with Prince Charles.

There she blows!

R592 - And Diana was still a novice with the press then. Look at that artfully tilted head. A natural. Charles didn't stand a chance.

R591 - that's quite a sweet photo of the York sisters, but, as usual, the clothes aren't thought out at all: look at those competing stripe patterns they're wearing. They draw the eye right away from the women. They are so clueless. I suppose you could call it endearing compared to the studied artlessness of candidates like Diana and Meghan.

R588 - Kitty Spencer looks fantastic in that black blazer and trousers. She should always avoid frills. She's clearly set on the older millionaire as the Starter Husband; after five years and a couple of kids she'll take her large divorce settlement and marry the hot young race car driver or actor.

I present Her Majesty The Queen. I like this photo. She looks friendly.

The Queen Mum.

Flower power. Think pink.

Time to move on to the next thread in the link here.