British Royal Family Gossip: Part 81

As a reminder of how to throw proper shade and to lead us off, here's Anne, The Princess Royal, blocking Markle once again from getting near the queen.

Frog Cott...it doesn't look very royal to me.

Princess Eugenie loved the sunscreen so much she didn't rub it in. LOL.

Swipe for photos of Kate's sister Pippa and her hat collection.

The African tour in the fall - Harry is going solo to three countries (Angola, Botswana and Malawi) and the Sussex family are just going to the country of South Africa together.

It's Tiara Time - Kate's tiaras.

At Kate's last appearance as patron of the Royal Photographic Society, she gave this girl in a wheelchair a hug.

R5. Angola, Botswana and Malawi all got together and suggested that it wasn't necessary that Me-again come. You know, she'll be tired and all.

^These are horrible replicas of those fine tiaras.

R8. We don't want her either.

Anne strikes a pose.

A reminder of what we can expect fashion wise in South Africa.

The Queen with her "second" family - Andrew and Edward.

More tiara replicas.

R8, r10. - We'll pay you not to send her here.

CANADA

A weird hairstyle and outfit for Diana.

It's lovely to see the Queen's cousin Princess Alexandra of Kent out and about again. She was celebrating the 900th anniversary of Leeds Castle by unveiling the Princess Alexandra Gardens. Swipe for photos.

Diana and Harry. Archie resembles him - well, what we've seen of him.

Comparing R16's pic of Diana to George, you can't deny there's a bit of a resemblance. Of course George looks much more like his maternal grandfather, but now that R16 has posted that particular pic, I can't unsee some slight resemblance.

Do Harry and Markle ever not hold hands? And holding hands isn't even enough as she grabs his him too. It's nauseating.

The Queen smells smoke and gives off some shade.

Tiara Time - the real thing.

An odd angle for a photo. Did someone want to see what King George wears beneath his kilt? LOL.

Swipe for photos of the Spencer tiara.

This wasn't Diana's favorite tiara as she said it was too heavy.

Those ears, that hair - yep, Charles was a geek.

The Queen's necklace looks heavy too. The Vladimir tiara is in the second photo.

Eugenie looks good in this photo.

Beatrice and Eugenie double date with Edo and Jack last week. I was reading an article in People mag while waiting in line at the grocery store and there was a story about the York's sibling bond. It said that everyone expects wedding bells for Bea & Edo because she is "head over heels in love" with him. Run, girl, run.

Bea went to the Kushner wedding (Josh and Karlie Kloss) in Wyoming and now she has been spotted at the Robbie Williams concert in Las Vegas.

Some flattering photos of the York ladies.

Sophie added some color to the Royal Norfolk Show. Photos in the link below.

Would Beatrice be the first grandchild of a British sovereign to marry a partner with child/ children? I mean in recent years, not going back centuries.

R33 - Off the top of my head I would say yes, I believe so.

It's too bad about these once close brothers. Diana wouldn't be happy about the rift between her sons.

Bea has the prettier and more feminine facial shape, too bad about her eyes as she would've been quite attractive with that oval face and that nice, straight nose. Yuge's face is too Shrek-like and the type that can become jowly early in middle-age, but she can go the Meghan route by using botox to slim her jawlines a bit. Both princesses have very low-set eyebrows which kind of fits with beauty trend for the past 20-30 years, more androgynous eyes/ eyebrows, including low-set brows, are considered more attractive now.

Diana would be very upset about the divide between Will and Harry. And she would have stepped in to heal whatever has happened. She also would have sized up Markle and cut her right down if she had even allowed her in at all. Markle wouldn't have stood a chance. Diana would have been like Jackie Onassis with son John squashing unacceptable women setting their sights on Harry.

[r34], No, Lord Harewood's second wife Patricia Tuckwell had a teenaged son from her first marriage when she married him. Lord Harewood was the eldest grandchild of George V and Queen Mary.

A "source" says Meghan is expected to attend Wimbledon.

[quote] According to the source, the only thing that could keep Meghan from attending the annual tennis tournament is if "the baby keeps her home last minute."

A new nickname from the Sun: Meg-a bucks.

There are some interesting tidbits in the article. Apparently, Frogmore was rat infested when they started the renovation. Yuck.

Prince William tweets support for Lionesses on KP account. He signed the tweet "W".

^The initial comments on the account are cute.

The Queen is kicking off Holyrood week in Scotland tomorrow.

R12 Kate - as always - is the trendsetter in that regard.

R33 The last King who married a woman with children from a previous relationship was Edward IV. Elizabeth Woodville was previously married to a rather lowly knight by whom she had two sons.

R14 that Slovakian replica is well suited to crown Queen Melania's cunt.

R37 Diana was a mentally unstable person - I don't think she would have been able to provide anyone with good advice. For all we know, she would have continued to make harassing calls to the wives of men she lusted after well into her 80's had she lived.

R5 I wouldn't drag a 5 month old through countries where infants commonly succumb to malaria and typhoid fever. Are you a mosquito whisperer? Ever had malaria? (I have, by the way - as an adult working in Africa).

Mosquito-borne illnesses are some of the leading causes of under 5 deaths in Africa.

Let's send you down to Angola and use you as a test case for which insect repellants really work.

R47. Diana was not mentally unstable.

Diana had some pretty serious issues and we loved her dearly.

Just popping in to say thanks for the recommendation (500,000 posts ago) of the bitchy book on the Queen Mum.

It's a page turner!

Mental health

R17, Thank you for such lovely photos. I love seeing Princess Alexandra.

I like the York sisters, especially Eugenie, who seems like one of the sweetest Royals ever. I think she's very pretty. There's a photo out there of the Christmas photocall for the Royals, where she places an affectionate hand on Meghan's shoulder. This was after that embarrassing baby bump appearance at Eugenie's wedding. I'm an embarrassing old man, but I find character more attractive than appearances. I think Eugenie would be a fine friend.

Diana was a mess and I doubt she would have been such a good influence on her adult sons but maybe her sons would be more balanced if she lived.

The posts about what Diana would have done with Meghan if she was alive are kind of creepy.

Apparently Eugenie is close to both William and Harry, I don't know if she's closer to them than Beatrice. Her Majesty was said to be spending quite a bit of time with Bea last year.

If the Sussexes do go to Africa or somewhere else for an extended tour, Eugenie would come in very handy as a working royal.

It’s easy to criticize Diana as off-balance and not attribute the main reason for her sadness. Charles and Camilla were despicable to Diane intentionally trying to drive Diana nuts and undermine her marriage before, during and throughout its duration with lying, cheating and deception. It was pure, calculated evil. So when you dismiss Diana with mental health issues, do not forgive or overlook the two people who set out to harm her and her sons by making life unbearable, disruptive and intentionally unhappy and hurtful.

While Charles and Camilla may seem like harmless old drunks now, they were beyond cruel to Diana, William and Harry at a critical time in a family’s life. It’s unforgivable what they did and continued doing it harming everyone in their path including family, dependent children and the monarchy.

I agree, r56.

R36, I agree about the differnce between Bea and Euge, though I even kind of like Bea's eyes. Better to have huge eyes than tiny beady ones, and Bea always looks so happy. I'd wager that she seems much prettier in person than she looks in pics.

R30, Bea's quite the jet setter.

I scrolled through the millions of pics the DM got from Karlie Kloss's instagram and concluded that I'm happy not to be leading a life which is performed for social media/personal branding.

"Harry and Meghan to visit southern Africa"

R60. The two of them together will visit South Africa. Harry solely will visit three selected countries in southern Africa. His wife will not be with him.

Please, the canonization of Diana as the poor victim of Charles and Camilla is so passé and doesn’t fit the painful truth that only diehard Di fans refuse to acknowledge. Diana’s mental health problems went beyond external circumstances, they started during childhood with her parents divorce and her feeling subsequently abandoned. Like most psych disorders, borderline personality disorder is a combination of genetics, environment, and triggers. Diana’s course was classic BPD, she wasn’t going to be happy and she wasn’t going to make anyone she married happy. Unless that person was able to adhere to everything on her terms emotionally speaking, and that would be extremely difficult. The manipulative and blaming aspects to this disorder nearly impossible to deal with as the loved one.

Being cheated on isn’t going to make you go have affairs with married men and stalk them and their wives. It’s also not going to make you ghost your friends when you deem them to be not loyal enough by not catering to your extreme neediness. It’s not going to make you lie through your teeth by conspiring with the press while publicly playing the role of hunted celebrity.

Yes blame initially for the affair was on Charles and Camilla. But Diana came into the marriage with intention of wanting to be in the BRF specifically she was in love with his status not the man. They both had false intentions. It was a bad fit from the start. It was always going to end badly just not as badly as it finally went down.

After all of that I do think Diana had many good traits and did a lot of good publicly. The world is better off with having her as face of BRF, such was her impact. Perhaps if she had lived she would have grown with the times and become aware of her illness, gotten proper therapy so that she could help herself.

I don't understand Bea and her dating that guy for 10 years with no ring. I feel like you have to have THE TALK by Year 5 at the latest: "Are we getting married? Do we not care about marriage? Are we partners?" Etc.

How does ANYBODY do that?

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Waiting 10 years to marry their SO seems to be a BRF tradition - Bea, Yuge and Wills. Harry and Chelsy lasted 6-7 years. I understand wanting to ensure the marriage won't end in divorce, but after 10 years, any excitement is gone, and it's 50-50 as to whether you split up. It's interesting that Bea's ex married after 2 years with his current wife.

Holy MARY!

This is very direct....

R65, I've wondered for a while if the Queen asked her grandchildren not to get married until they'd been with their partner for at least five years. Harry and Meghan are the exception, because A) Meghan was already at an age of declining fertility when she married Harry and B) Harry has always considered himself a bit of a rebel anyway. It must have been intensely embarrassing for the Queen, head of the Church of England, to have three of her four children get divorced in the space of a few years (especially after their elaborate weddings got global press coverage).

Meghan is grabbing everything possible while she can. She's clearly spending on the thought that, as in America, the level of her spending will indicate the level of alimony. She might actually be wrong in this as Royals live by very different legal precedents as the rest of Britain.

The Sun, having previously pretended that she was beloved, has suddenly has tagged her MegAntionette.

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Mountbatten = Second Rate

Andrew is in Singapore.

Playing Dim like a violin, getting the ring on her finger and having a Baby Jesus...what's a girl to do?

I worked an event for a magazine where India Hicks was giving a talk to flog her brand. She was insufferable and so far up her own ass she could have given herself a through colonoscopy. The audience was mostly wealthy middle-aged women who clucked and chuckled appreciatively when Hicks complained her children and their friends NEVER hand their beach towels neatly according to size and color. It was mostly a brag session of how FABULOUS her life is. If I remember correctly she boorishly complained that Prince Charles, her godfather, gave her fine china every year as a birthday gift.

Someone seems full of himself for no reason.

*hang* their towels.

Elizabeth and Margaret in kilts.

Swipe to see Diana and her hat collection.

EII really is the end, isn't she?

I thought the rumor was Bea thought she had some promise of marriage eventually with the 10-year guy? Seems like he used her to access the lap of luxury and then moved on once he established his own high-flying career. Now comes Edo, who is similarly less than sincere...get it together girl!

R65 all of those relationships started when those involved were really young. It's pretty normal in that case to give it a lot of time and not rush.

I don't doubt Dave Clark strung Bea along as long as he could get away with it. The rumor was that he was finally given an ultimatum and decided to end things. Clearly he was plenty ready to settle down, just not with her. And Bea is probably so desperate to settle down she's not thinking right. She seems like a nice girl. I hope Edo ends up not being as big of a d-bag as he appears to be. Well, I mean the gossip will be fun but I'd feel bad for her.

Frogmore really isn't a very nice looking house, is it?

Photos of the Queen's school visit today.

The Queen looked happy today.

An unusual photo of the Queen taken by Canadian singer/photographer Bryan Adams. I love the wellies next to her.

I’m loving all the floral patterns and floral touches on the Queen’s clothes lately. She’s letting her clothes be a little busier than usual.

This is bizarre if true. Meghan reportedly copyrighted a quote from Thomas Sr. about her freckles when she was only 14.

[quote] The former Suits actress, 37, then going by her first name Rachel, appears to have applied for copyright on the phrase “a face without freckles is night without stars”, according to the United States Copyright Office.

It's bizarre that the press are attacking Meghan when Kate has made exactly the same errors (if not worse). Eg screaming about Meghan having her engagement band slightly altered, when Kate had some of Diana's far more historically important jewelry changed and no one raised and eyebrow.

Started to believe the rumours that William is throwing her under a bus to detract attention from his own bad behaviour.

There's a difference between altering an engagement ring that your husband personally designed for you and altering a pair of earrings you inherited. I don't care that Meghan swapped her band, but it isn't the same thing at all.

Sorry what? Kate never screams... about anything. Could you provide a link, r88?

You're some kind of Megstan PR person, aren't you. Some Latham spook.

R88, Those earrings of Diana's are the type that can be worn in different ways. She herself is wearing them as studs in R78.Also I would hardly call them historically important.

I was at the shops earlier and one of the magazines had a headline saying, "Tensions between William & Kate - what's behind the rumours?" (This is in the UK, by the way.) I'm guessing the article inside skirts around what the rumours actually ARE, but they must know that a number of their readers will be aware. I don't think the British press will keep a lid on this story for much longer. It's pointless in the age of social media, anyway. The rumours are all over Twitter.

R92 - where have you been? Do you live under a rock? Those Will/Rose affair rumors have been circulating for months now. No one knows if they're true except the people involved.

@RoyalCentral on Twitter: "New engagement: The Duke of Sussex will attend the European premiere of The Lion King in London on 14 July in support of his conservation work through The Royal Foundation".

R88 - I am guessing you are also the person posting the skirts flying photos. I will add that while Kate has made mistakes, the difference is that she appears to have learned from them and changed her behavior where as the Duchess of Sussex seems to have doubled Down on them.

If not the flying skirt person - mea culpa

R92. Do keep up, dear.

Kate's sister Pippa out with her son Arthur.

Anne hosted a reception for Save The Children. She let them eat cake.

It's Tiara Time: this one is the Girls of Great Britain and Ireland tiara worn by the Queen.

The Boucheron Loop tiara isn't a favorite. I'm not crazy about the height or the flimsy design. Here is Queen Mary.

Love that gorgeous Tiara! It's so winter Ice Queen. Absolutely love it.

The Delhi Durbar Tiara is high too but the design seems more substantial.

R100. I haven't seen that one before,thanks. Less was definitely not more for our Mary.

Princess Alexandra of Kent visited some churches this week.

Apparently William and Kate spent 1.6 million pounds on repaving the Kensington Palace driveway. (That’s how the headline in the Express put it.). I loved the quote from the woman who said “What’s it paved with? Diamonds?”

Can i see william as a nasty, cruel villain who doesn't care who he hurts (cheating, bad press about his brother and meghan) unfortunately yes. I hope he's not but I can't get rid of that gut feeling. If so I hope the truth about him comes out. I'll just have to swallow the bitter pill that meghan and Harry weren't bad at all.

R106 - Are you OK, Pollyanna? Are you old enough to post on here? You sound like a child who still believes in fairy tales. It's time for your nap now.

They pull apart, alter and reset jewellery all the time. Your wedding rings... slightly different matter, esp. when your husband made such a thing of how much effort he put into the creation.

Swipe for photos of the Queen at the Ceremony of the Keys Edinburgh's Holyrood House. She'll be staying there for Holyrood Week as she carries out her duties.

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Princess Anne has been Patron of Save the Children since 1970. As I remember that was why she was popular. as well as for the kidnap attempt and telling the press to "naff orf!"

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Meghan's redesigned band looks like the band on the engagement ring from her first husband. The optics of that are a little strange.

The three rings don't stack well together now because of the large center stone and tiny band on the engagement ring. That would drive me nuts, but to each his own. For the Meghan fans who think this is simply Meghan hate, I don't care for Kate's engagement ring either. I wonder if Kate secretly wishes she could have chosen her own ring instead of being saddled with a ring Diana allegedly chose because it had the largest stone.

R70 That’s too bad - I purchased several items from India Hicks via friends and they were very high quality.

Meghan is a total disaster for The Firm

I wouldn't say Charles was pleased with himself for "no reason" at all, he was/is Prince of Wales.

The stacked bands Meghan wore while married to Trevor fit together better because they were all very thin and the center stone was mounted higher.

If I was the Queen, I’d rather hang out with Zara too

Wasn't that India Hicks thing like a pyramid scheme/high end multi-level marketing scam?

William is essentially the second in command of an ancient, lucrative, famous family business. Unfortunately, he cannot hire and fire employees at will; he is stuck with whomever was born or married into the family. Right now he's dealing with his useless resentful brother and his disastrous sister-in-law, whose destructive behaviour threatens to collapse the entire enterprise.

Her Majesty looks radiant in yellow today!

She seems so happy lately. I know she misses Phil off in Sandringham but she's been happier and more relaxed than I've seen her in 50 years. She went from Mum and Dad to Mum and Phil to Phil and now it may be the most "alone" she's ever been in her life. It seems to suit her pretty well.

I'm tempted to get a twitter or instagram account so I can "like" her videos and snaps or write nice comments on it or something. The Queen is an icon.

Diana's still making the front page nearly 22 years after her death.

Someone on the last thread was wondering how Frogmore might be decorated inside, and I remembered that the Sussexes had a secret wedding gift list with Soho Home, as well as the publicized charity donations list. I guess the secret got out as MM is known for her tendency to promote all things Soho. Anyway, here's an article about it, and a little snippet.......

"Items on the Soho House wedding list include a “cinema armchair” in red or green mohair for £2,495, with an optional £695 “cinema footstool” in chocolate leather, a “Chelsea chaise longue” in flax linen for £2,495, a “cosy emperor bed” at £2,095 and a loft grey linen sofa for £3,295."

Just realised it might be behind a paywall, so here we go.

When the question of wedding presents was raised, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle made their feelings clear: well-wishers should donate to charity “rather than sending a wedding gift”.

The couple “personally selected” seven organisations which reflected their “shared values”, to whom money could be sent.

So far, so laudable — but it does not quite tell the full story. It can be revealed today that the couple do have a private wedding list at the exclusive private member’s club, Soho House.

The list, however, is only for their inner circle of friends and family to choose a present from Soho House, a chain of clubs, restaurants and spas around the world where the mission is “to create a comfortable home away from home”.

The choice is not entirely surprising — the couple’s first date took place at Soho House in London in July 2016. Later that summer, the American former actress stayed at Soho Farmhouse, the Cotswolds retreat where cabins start at £330 a night, spending the weekend there with the Quality Street heiress and reality TV star, Millie Mackintosh.

And Markle’s closest male friend? Step forward Markus Anderson, who, conveniently, is Soho House’s global membership director.

Indeed, Markle used to be a Soho House “brand ambassador” and was regularly spotted at the chain’s branch in Toronto, where she previously lived and worked, and is still often spotted dining at the group’s Little House in Mayfair.

It is quite a contrast to the 1981 wedding of Prince Charles and Diana, Princess of Wales, who had their wedding list at the General Trading Company in Sloane Square, which has since gone bankrupt.

While Soho House tries its hardest to be cool and trendy, General Trading Company had its sights set firmly on the local Sloane Rangers near its Chelsea headquarters in west London.

Harry and Meghan are rumoured to be house hunting for a country home to add to their two-bedroom London base, Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace. Now, their choice of wedding list may give clues to how they plan to furnish a rural retreat.

(Pictures of ) Banner round cushion (£60), backgammon roll (£185), vintage tray top oval bar cart (£1,300).

The Soho House wedding list aims to “bring the House home”, with a “curated collection” of items including a “Portobello silver cashmere throw” for £400, a £90 “country house picnic basket”, a “Lexington chandelier” for £995 and a vintage “brass oval bar cart” for £1,300.

When the newlywed Duke and Duchess of Cambridge renovated their homes at Kensington Palace and Anmer Hall, Norfolk, they decorated them with many pieces of fine art and antiques from the royal collection.

But Harry and Meghan, who have said they enjoy “cosy nights” in front of the television, appear to have more contemporary tastes.

Items on the Soho House wedding list include a “cinema armchair” in red or green mohair for £2,495, with an optional £695 “cinema footstool” in chocolate leather, a “Chelsea chaise longue” in flax linen for £2,495, a “cosy emperor bed” at £2,095 and a loft grey linen sofa for £3,295.

There are also Soho House duvet covers starting at £110, “cut crystal champagne coupes” at £64 for a set of two, and a martini glass and cocktail set for £75.

The Queen recently appointed Harry as a Commonwealth youth ambassador, and the newlyweds are soon to embark on several overseas tours, including a trip to Australia in October. Soho House offers just the thing for a new royal bride requiring several outfit changes a day with a £775 “Vanderbilt leather trunk” as an option.

After the stress of a organising a royal wedding, the couple may hope to be gifted a pair of £60 “House” hooded bathrobes to relax in. Or they might receive bottles of Soho House’s brand of £18 “Knackered Cow” bath and shower gel and “Dirty Cow freshening hand wash” at £17.

For wedding guests on a tighter budget, the Soho House list offers the Wallpaper City Guides for £6.95, a Cowshed lavatory brush for £20 and a selection of LED lightbulbs starting at £13.

After receiving an invitation to what has been billed as the wedding of the year, however, the royals or their elite circle of friends seem unlikely to opt for a lightbulb — or be brave enough to suggest Markle is a “Knackered Cow”.

It all comes as a sharp contrast to the announcement that the couple were “incredibly grateful for the goodwill shown to them . . . and are keen that as many people as possible benefit from this generosity of spirit. The couple have therefore asked that anyone who might wish to mark the occasion considers making a donation to charity, rather than sending a wedding gift”.

Guests, including David and Victoria Beckham, whose country home is close to Soho Farmhouse, have been asked to donate to one of the couple’s chosen charities, which include organisations tackling homelessness, HIV in children and helping bereaved armed forces children.

The 200 representatives from charities of which Prince Harry is a patron or with which he is associated will stand outside St George’s Chapel in the Horseshoe Cloister and have only an audio link to the ceremony. There will not be a cucumber sandwich or a glass of champagne.

After the ceremony, to which about 600 people are invited, the couple will meet some of the representatives before going on to the reception in St George’s Hall.

Following a few hours’ break there is a private evening reception at Frogmore House — but only 200 of the 600 are invited.

What will be the Queen’s choice? It is thought she will give her grandson a gift “off list”, possibly that country home to house their wedding presents.

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Posted a bit too much of the article, sorry, I'm watching Glastonbury on the TV, one eye on the lappy, lol. But you get the "interior" jist.

For those history buffs, here's a little information on the Queen's "official" residence in Scotland, Holyrood House (aka Palace of Holyrood). The Queen's "private" residence is Balmoral where she spends the summer months.

Thank you R124. I was curious.

Swipe for Princess Margaret's hats over the years.

Drink and food are two of Camilla's favorite things.

I like the Queen's Cullinan Brooch. Swipe for photos and info (I've pasted the English below).

The Cullinan Diamonds are nine different gems which were a gift from the South African government to Queen Mary. Cullinan V is an unusual heart-shaped diamond of 18.8 carats, set in a brooch. Queen Mary used the brooch on its own, but also designed it to go in the center of the large emerald and diamond stomacher. The brooch also did from Queen Mary’s crown, it took the place of the Koh-i-Noor which Mary gave to the new Queen to use in her crown for the 1937 coronation. In 1953 the jewel was inherited by Queen Elizabeth II, Mary’s granddaughter. The brooch was made by the House of Garrard.

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Wasn't there a nanny poll on an earlier thread?

R138 - some of us predicted that Meghan the control freak would have problems keeping nannies. A revolving door of nannies is really bad for a baby and children in general. Poor Archie!

Diana used to get jealous after a while and fire William and Harry's nannies but it took longer than a couple of weeks.

I can see Markle being fucking impossible to deal with for any normal person.

Now we know why Harry is "working" so much instead of spending time at his newly renovated home with his wife and new baby. The article also made note of all of the other staff who have quit and they've only been married a year. She must be a complete nightmare.

Kindly fuck off, R88. Blocked.

Has the Kate's Flyaway Skirts Troll been noted?

An ability to keep help is a sure sign of NOCD.

God, can you imagine the thrill Meghan must have had, and is still having, going from being a working actress who had to watch her money (don't give me the "worth millions" bullshit) to being able to pick out ANYTHING she wanted? It's dizzying to think about. I'd be beside myself with excitement.

R144 here, shit, I meant an INABILITY to keep help is a sign of not to the manor born.

That's how trashy people conduct themsves after they strike gold: becoming so unreasonably bitchy towards their help. I SAID NO EGG, BITCH, NO FUCKING EGG!!!!

Yeah, that's NOKD, Not Our Kind Dear. I don't know what you think the "C" stands for in that.

Class, R148. Don’t be stupid.

You're wrong, it's not "C" for class it's never been that way. Always "K" for Kind - Not Our Kind Dear.

Oh please R150. NOCD is on tha Internet, too. You’re ridiculous.

No less a craven social arbiter than Dominick Dunne had it as NOCD in “The Two Mrs. Grenvilles.” And it can be “darling” as well as dear.

Now simmer!

Nick Dunne wasn't born into it, he married it. Peach had all the dough in that family but then you wouldn't know about that.

R152 Please. I know all about Peach in the wheelchair. Nick had the outsider’s fine-tuned sense of sassiety, though, and he would know such stupid things.

I’m curious, why do you care so much? Because you’re good goods yourself? Or because you’re not?

Well, I didn’t mean to chill the room.

Anyway, back to BRF, Camilla looks delightful in R135. Such good hair, as good as Diana’s was.

Why doesn't the BRF have a resident palace in Wales? Shouldn't Wales be on the royal circuit like Windsor, Balmoral and Sandringham especially since the Prince and Princess of Wales are such prestigious titles? And how about a royal palace in Northern Ireland? Why is Scotland the only other country in the United Kingdom where the royal family has a palace and spends extended time periods?

They have a house in Wales, Charles and Camilla do, but they only bought it in 2006. I don't know where they lived before. It must be more elaborate inside than it looks outside. Charles doesn't suffer discomforts well or at all.

British monarchs must have had houses and strongholds in Wales in the past. I vaguely remember Princes of Wales being sent off to Wales (and elsewhere) throughout history but I can't remember exactly where to in Wales. Perhaps to Welsh nobility or more likely loyal English nobility planted in Wales.

The Tudor line was Welsh.

The Royals have a castle in Northern Ireland too

R34 Snowdon was rumoured to have impregnated one of his paramours around the time of his and Margaret’s wedding. As to other by blows - who knows? Of course, there is Charles and Camilla who both had children.

Looking at the pics of MM at TTC, I wonder, How could she go out the door looking like that? How could anyone think the awful hat/hair combo and batwing jacket in a dark winter colour and weight could look good on someone who has recently gained a lot of weight? I can't even imagine a worse look. And yet she would have had a hairdresser doing her hair and a dresser helping her. I bet they were pissing themselves laughing afterward -'Let's see if we can really fuck her up, ok?'

She blew off trump, don't blame her. Then she showed up for Trooping of the Colour when no one expected or wanted her, she insisted and she looked like absolute shit. Then she's a no-show at Ascot where I don't think Harry ever showed his face either.

Maybe TTC was such an all-out disaster that she couldn't face Ascot.

Because Markle thinks she knows better than everybody. Is it not obvious that she doesn't listen to anyone trying to give her advice? She's much like trumpty dumpty in that respect. You can put out her wardrobe for tomorrow and she will throw it aside in favor of what she believes is best. You can advise her that a different hairstyle or hat would be more flattering and she will likely fire you. I'm willing to bet that she looked at herself in the mirror and thought she'd be the best dressed at TTC.

>>I'm willing to bet that she looked at herself in the mirror and thought she'd be the best dressed at TTC.

That is so sad.

She didn't blow off Trump, she wasn't invited. That said I would bet anything that delusional heaux thought she would be the best dressed there.

R154 Don’t forget Holyrood Palace which is the official home of the monarch in Scotland. This week is actually ‘Holyrood Week’ where the Queen takes up residence and takes part in official functions. Balmoral is a private residence, even though it’s better known than Holyrood. As to why they spend so much time in Scotland as opposed to Wales, could be the result of many factors. It’s purely speculation, but the Scots, having had their own monarchs until the death of Elizabeth I, seems to have been the most resistant of all the countries in the UK, to British rule. It could be appeasement and an attempt to be seen as being as devoted to the Scots as they are to all the other places. As I said - just speculation.

She did blow off trump, Harry showed for that afternoon thing, she didn't. Harry blew off the state dinner, as did Markle. Don't blame them, really, I'd blow him off too except it's their job to put up with classless, criminal, lying, rapist visitors like trump, putin, mugabe and so on.

It can't all be wide-hipped Ivanka drooling over Justin Trudeau.

Do you think Markle has stopped giving head to Harry?

The logic in this thread is amazing. She either blew off Trump, so she’s terrible. Or she wasn’t invited...because she’s terrible. I hate to see how the poor kid gets treated.

Yes, that's the same as in the comments in the DM article about the Africa tour. Some people are pissed off that they are doing charity work in Africa rather than Britain; others want them to stay in Africa and not come back. Either way, they hate her.

R74 I took a look at India Hick's website . - she is hawking cheap, overpriced trinkets and such. She thought her Battenberg blood would elevate her to the GOOP-stratosphere. Instead she tried to set up a pyramid scheme, S]]]

[quote] Yes, that's the same as in the comments in the DM article about the Africa tour. Some people are pissed off that they are doing charity work in Africa rather than Britain; others want them to stay in Africa and not come back. Either way, they hate her.

What are you saying? You mean.....you mean.....different people have different opinions? Shocker!

[quote] The logic on this thread is amazing.

Well, no. The “logic” of your comment is...well, not amazing, more absent. Do you think multiple people ought to be thinking & expressing the exact same thing because they’re on the same thread?

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R127, how ... basic

I'm no fan of Markle, but Trump called her nasty, so she stayed away (and rightfully so), but she was wasn't planning on going anyway since she was on maternity leave. There were reports prior restating that she was on maternity leave, so that was her excuse for not going, and it seemed like a logical excuse and also a convenient thing since Trump was an asshole for calling her nasty right before he was leaving for the UK..

For Trooping of the Colour, she had to show up since its an important day for the monarchy. Markle kind of had an obligation to be there, so get yourself dressed and go despite being on maternity leave. Plus, it was also a birthday celebration for the queen. You cannot diss the queen and Markle knows that, so out of respect and obligation, she did the right thing by going.

Regarding Ascot, now come on, she's supposed to be on maternity leave. She can't keep on showing up to events if she's on maternity leave, so she was justified in staying home. Also, Ascot is kind of a social occasion, not an official function for someone like Markle, so she does get to stay home with the kid. If she had showed up, then no one would believe that she was truly on maternity leave, and then they might expect her to show up for other things. So I think she was justified in not going to Ascot.

R138, the defense of having had 3 nannies so far (“different needs for different times”) belies the previous “they’re doing it all on their own” narrative. They‘re gossip gold.

Very basic R171 .

What happened to the priceless pieces of art that the Queen had gifted them? So many lies, all that paid PR has been an absolute waste of time and money, you only have to look at the comments that are still coming in thick and fast on yesterday's articles.

Harry has been to one state dinner, ever. These aren't the type of things he and his wife will be invited to anyway, especially with a wife who cant behave properly in mature situations. This is actually the second state dinner since their wedding, and they weren't included either time, nor were they expected to be.

R172, it will be interesting to see if she turns up at Wimbledon.

Serena Williams' first game is on Tuesday. Is she over her injury yet? If not, it would make more sense for Markle to attend at the start of the tournament.

I don't think she will be in the royal box if she attends, though.

Haha, our Rachel can't travel in Africa because the planes are too small.

She's the best.

Riding in the royal carriages at Ascot is by the Queen's invitation only. Doubt Markle was invited this year. If asked, the excuse would have been maternity leave but they probably truly did not want her there. They barely tolerated her last year when they were "playing nice" and it was awkward as hell watching Harry and Meghan try to find a friendly face in the crowd. Anne, Andrew and Camilla don't even bother to hide their distaste, even in public. As rancid as they have been towards Kate, she's so well mannered that she would probably have had at least a few minutes of polite conversation with them.

[quote]Doubt Markle was invited this year.

Things like that don't happen. They do not truck in discord. It is not good for the institution and that governs every decision anybody makes. If Harry has a wife Harry's wife will be invited to everything. The only logical reason she was not present is it wasn't deemed worth it relative to her maternity leave (whereas the Trooping was.). They will put up with you full stop - until they won't (hello Diana and Fergie.) Princess Michael, widely loathed, is at all the big family occasions and state dinners etc. etc. Do not read Megantoinette's absence as indicative of her being iced. That isn't how they do it.

Out of interest, which state dinner did he attend, R175?

The Kensington Royal and Sussex Royal Instagram accounts have been updated for Armed Forces Day.

Kensington Royal posts a short video for Armed services Day. It has Kate and Will at various engagements with military and military families. Made the post about the military. Sussex Royal posts too. With some ridiculously long caption and it’s all about what Harry has done in the military and Invictus, etc.

A subtle difference but MM makes the post all about THEM, and it almost looks as though she is writing a thank you note to herself and Harry.

Kensington Royal post below (swipe for pictures)

And Sussex Royal (swipe for pictures).

Given Frogwhore Cottage, the splitting of the Foundation, no invitations to Balmoral, no attendance of the supposedly upcoming baptism, etc...Harry and Meghan are definitely being iced. Given all his recent appearances, Harry is not on leave. Why wasn't he at Ascot? Did he stay home in solidarity with his uninvited wife? After the Investiture incident, the BRF know that they have to stage manage down to the last detail when Meghan is in attendance, e.g., the flanking movement carried out by Anne and Andrew at the TTC. They most certainly could have used the maternity leave as an excuse not to give her an invitation.

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R183 Problem is, you’ve made up most of that crap & have managed to convince yourself it’s all real.

How do you know they weren’t invited to Balmoral? How do you know what was behind the splitting of the charity and HM not attending the Christening?

You take a tiny bit of supposed info and embroider it into an entire narrative - no doubt screeching “Megstan” at anyone daring to question it.

The stupidest thing the BRF could do is “ice out” difficult members. Whoever he is married to, Harry is still HM’s grandson and presumably she loves him. Why would she treat him like a pariah?

They’ll have been invited to everything appropriate, whether you like it or not.

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The Duke of York also posts about Armed Forces Day.

Clarence House post on Armed Forces Day. Quite a difference between Kensington, Clarence House and Andrew's post and the "Look At Us" post from the Sussex Royals.

James Ogilvy, Lady Sarah Armstrong Jones and Prince Edward with lion cubs on the set of Blue Peter.

R180 It was the Spanish State Banquet in 2017.

In case any of you get invited to Balmoral, here's how not to fuck it up. Can imagine Megantoinette just mastering the entire stay...

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That has been very much posted, R912. Search and you'll find at least one thread.

The tin hat in me wonders if they aren't already trying to pave the way for Georgie to come out, come the day. I mean, it isn't really fair to nail the kid as gay because of some photographs where he looks at little jazz hands, but maybe it's so... a mother often knows... maybe they're getting ready to manage it (and good on them if they are.)

The sensible person in me thinks it was a great June/PRIDE themed thing to do and by an ally with influence. I mean, for a future King to say, if my kids are gay I'm good with it, that's very likely to be of some value to people struggling in one way or another. And that is the benefit of monarchy. It has soft power by virtue of it's dignity and distinction. It's not about clothes or clubs or brand in the modern sense and William and his wife (and so much of his family) understand that.

Not the story about the visit, R193, but that particular essay.

Meg and Harry are the SJW royals but I think Will really is the one who is more like Diana. Will has a much more natural, organic approach which I think Diana had. He comes across as much more genuine while Meg and Harry just seem to grasp on to any cause/position they think is SJW worthy. I don't think they really care about any of the causes they promote, they just want to be "on brand" while Will seems sincere.

Just my impression anyway.

Yeah, clued into that after the post... sorry R194... it was an interesting read AND from the Maul no less... not where I would have expected it.

[quote]Will has a much more natural, organic approach which I think Diana had

I think William is less self-conscious... or constructed. Everything Megantoinette does is so obviously purposeful. Harry used to be quite natural but now he seems so pussywhipped he's kind of pointless. I don't think either man has his mother's ease and spontaneity - or magic - something in Diana glowed. Maybe it was all projection, I don't know, but she was a one off. A bit nuts, a bit badly treated, but a phenomenal one off. I sort of feel sorry for people who didn't experience the whole phenomenon unfolding.... you can't read about her... you had to witness it. The most remarkable personality of my lifetime.

Anyone who thinks the Queen would prioritize insulting Meghan over keeping the royal family image one of harmony is a moron. The royal family needs the public to think they are competent and the waters ahead are smooth sailing, or else people start asking what they’re good for. To the extent HRE is making decisions that impact Meghan, it’s to guard the entire family’s public image, not to punish or insult her and Harry in some public way. She’s not some random American housewife glorying in leaving another frau off an invite list.

[R158] Snowdon was fuckbuddies with Jeremy Fry and his wife Camilla, and the daughter Camilla bore in 1960, just a short time after the big Royal wedding, was long rumored to be Snowdon's. In 2004 the daughter, Polly, persuaded Snowdon to take a DNA test, and the matter was proven once and for all. That wasn't his only lovechild, either. He had a son, Jasper, in 1998 by girlfriend Melanie Cable-Alexander . What an old dog.

For the poster asking about the ties to Scotland: there are stronger ties there, despite the Prince of Wales' prominence in the royal pecking order. James I of England was actually James VI of Scotland - the two crowns were joined after centuries of squabbling. Scotland joined up with England in the early 1700s because it was broke, not conquered. There are a great many people on both sides of the Tweed who share ancestry and family today. That is one reason the Scottish Indy ref failed in 2014, by quite a bit larger margin than the REMAIN vote failed in 2016. It isn't so much "appeasement" (although the rise of the SNP probably ups that game a bit) as acknowledgement of the ties that bind. The Queen's mother was a Scot, and the Queen herself is somewhat rooted in Scotland by way of her huge estate there, Balmoral, with which she is deeply associated.

The Jacobite rebellion in the mid-1700s was to reinstate Charles Stuart on the throne, but Stuart's support in Scotland was concentrated mostly in the Highlands. The Battle of Culloden that the Jacobites lost so badly put paid to the Highland clan system and culture.

So the recent historical ties (recent meaning the last 300 years or so) are stronger and more prominent with Scotland than Wales.

Thanks, R190.

I was too young to get the full picture of Diana's impact but I suspect she actually was pretty calculating with most things she did but she had the unique ability to make everything she did look like the most natural thing ever.

Will didn't come across as a pushy, preachy advocate lecturing everyone with his remarks, he just sounded like a normal dad. I think that's important. I think he has the ability to reach people who might otherwise not be as receptive to hearing that message. Monarchists tend to skew older and more conservative. If even one stuffy old monarchist is more accepting of their gay grandkid because of what Will said, then that's pretty cool. And I'm glad he's getting recognized for it.

At one time it did seem that Harry had some of his mother's magic with people but that's gone now. I don't think there is a sincere bone in Meg's body. She's completely contrived. And she is the one who is desperate to be Diana 2.0. But she doesn't understand that you can't manufacture or PR your way to being the "people's princess". Diana was a natural phenomenon which cannot be recreated. I am not even a huge Di fan but I recognize how unique was.

R185 - Actually, I believe there are grains of truth in both your post and the one you're objecting to. It was strange that the Sussexes didn't show up at Balmoral the first summer they were married; everyone else did - it's almost a given that the senior royals or a spouse or adult offspring show up at least once to be papped heading to Craithie Church with the Queen. They had just gotten married a few months before, it was a little odd.

It's true that wherever Harry is invited, Meghan probably is, as well. In the case of Trump, they probably knew perfectly well that she would decline using her maternity leave as an excuse, and I doubt they gave two fucks whether she came to that luncheon or not, and it's also true that Harry even on his own doesn't go to many state banquets.

It's also true that skipping the Queen's traditional and very public birthday celebration at the TTC would have been a bridge too far and Meghan bit the bullet and did it, although that is the least happy I have ever seen Meghan look at Une Grande A-List Photo Op.

All that said, I think it's becoming obvious in less overt ways that the Sussexes rapidly turned into a problem for the BRF, and that the Queen favours the Camridges, and not just because they're higher up the royal food chain. As has been pointed out, it's all done in code: who gets the better and bigger homes, who gets to wear the historic jewellery, whose children get titles, who gets to sit and stand where. The fact that the Queen isn't attending the birth of Harry's first child is significant, as is her refusal to grant the child an HRH the way she did the Cambridges. The Sussexes could easily have selected a date in July when the Queen wasn't otherwise occupied. I'll be interested to see if the Camridges show up. Count on Zara Tindall )or possibly Pss. Eugenie) to serve as one godparent to paper over the family cracks, one of Harry's aristo pals to paper over the "his friends hate her" crack, and a couple of A-list celebrities to fill the other two spots.

Meghan made quite a few missteps in her first year, aided and abetted by her moron of a husband. If they show up at Balmoral this summer, which I would strongly advise them to do to offset the increasing evidence of Meghan having been the catalyst for a deep split in the family, I don't doubt it will be out of necessity rather than inclination. If they don't show up at all, eyebrows will be raised to the max.

Remember Meghan being isolated on one little balcony on Remembrance Day with the German nonentity spouse, whilst the three senior ladies were on a separate balcony? Remember their seating in the last row of the royal box at the Albert Hall at the Remembrance Day concert - with Meghan half hidden by a curtain?

Anyone who thinks all that would have been the case had Harry married Chelsy or Cressida Bonas is naive. She angered the Queen, Prince Andrew, and most stupidly of all, Prince William.

And the story breaking about losing three nannies in six weeks? A right surprise that was, eh? It was only a matter of time.

Harry married a woman as disturbed as his mother, and he's repeating his father's first marriage all over again. It's stupefying in psychological terms.

HMQ is wearing dark blue and white, the colours of the Scottish flag. Everything she does is carefully thought through.

^*the fact that the Queen isn't attending the christening [not birth] of Harry's first child . . .

R202

It was best all around that Meghan stayed away from the Trump events. It would’ve created an even worse tempest in a teacup in the media on the occasion of the D day commemoration.

As for Balmoral, I think they certainly will go, and why not? It’s time. I do think Meg will be bored to tears, however. Country pursuits not her thing, except maybe all the drinking. Wasn’t Diana the same?

R203 - Heraldry factoid: the Scottish flag is also known as the Saltire - which is a name for the Cross of St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland - which is the design in blue and white.

If I've got it right, Harry hasn't joined his family at Balmoral since he was a teenager. So it would be unusual for him to go, except to present a united front with the family. I don't think playing board games and hiking in the Scottish highlands is Harry or Meg's idea of a fun summer getaway. So if they are there this summer it will only to quiet rumors that they are out of favor with the queen.

They are much more likely to try to score a visit to Clooney's Lake Como villa (there were rumors of a visit there last summer but no evidence...) than really worry about going to Scotland.

R205 - I would rather put it "Of course, they'll have to," because they should have last year. Yes, she'll be bored to tears, and yes, so was Diana. But whilst Diana was stalking Charles and got invited up to Balmoral because her sister, Jane, was married to the Queen's Assistant Private Secretary, Diana couldn't babble on enough about how beautiful it was, how she loved the country, etc., etc.

Once the ring was on her finger, as she and Charles headed to Scotland for the remainder of their honeymoon, she turned completley about and by September, they had to send her back to London for psychiatric help and some retail therapy. Like Meghan, Diana was a creature of pavements and boutiques and theatres and cosy lunches with socialite friends - not long walks in the heatre, ghastly family picnics, five changes of clothing a day, and following the guns out joining the men for lunch later on.

^* Blast it all, I cannot type today: long walks in the HEATHER

Shtumbled on thish gem just now~

Harry not at Balmoral since his teens? Is that true?

R211 - You know, I hadn't stopped to think about it, but now someone mentions it, I don't think I've seen a photo of him up there since the iconic one of him, Charles, and William on the banks of the Dee a year or so after Diana's death. I don't see how that's possible.

Have they received an invite to Balmoral this year? There was some garish story a week or so ago about the Queen inviting Meghan to Balmoral for Meghan's birthday. Either an invitation was truly extended and Meghan is trying to milk it for all it is worth. Or...no invitation was extended and Meghan was trying to push the issue via the press.

With Meghan's popularity in free fall and Harry's following suit, what would the BRF lose by not extending an invitation? They've already done what they needed to do. They rolled out the red carpet for Meghan's first year so there can be no claims that she wasn't welcomed.

R202 Yes, I am sure Meghan is seen as a big problem & I’d bet big money that the entire family can’t stand her. But, sorry, I don’t buy the “subtle but definite signs of marginalisation”.

Firstly, we have no idea why they ended up at Frogmore. They could have chosen it, for all we know. We’re assuming it’s a shithole, but none of us have ever really seen it, have we? Maybe they saw it’s potential and knew that (with a lot of Crown Estate funds) it could be lovely. All reports have suggested that they were the ones who rejected KP...they weren’t slung out in their ears. Frogmore is a sizeable home in the grounds of Windsor Castle - that’s a pretty nice deal for anyone.

You don’t know they weren’t invited to Balmoral. You don’t even know that they weren’t there. There were reports that they stayed at PC’s house there so, presumably, they could easily have visited HM and not been papped.

The jewellery...wait and see. She’s only been married to Harry for a year and not really attended any major functions that would see her needing to borrow from HM yet.

The Queen not attending the Christening...again, we don’t know why. Regardless of who his mother is, Archie is still a member of her family so why would she want to be dismissive of him like that? She was perfectly happy to be snapped with him and Meghan (plus Doria) but she hates Meghan too much to go to the Christening?

There’s no doubt in my mind that Meghan is a prize cunt behind the scenes and that umpteen staff (including nannies) have refused to work for her. I also think that the honeymoon is well and truly over for Harry and he’s waking up to the reality of life with a narcissistic woman who married him for fame and a huge clothing allowance.

But there is nothing to be gained for the BRF to publicly sideline her & actually a lot for them to lose when the inevitable divorce comes in a few years. “The Queen refused to invite me to Balmoral with the rest of the family. Maybe it’s because I’m black”. Right?

I think people have a habit on here of making much of very, very little.

[quote]Harry married a woman as disturbed as his mother

And half as cute.

R214 - Actually, yes, Meghan is a prize cunt which is why there is no way in hell she turned down the chance of that grand flat in KP in the center of London, and "chose" Frogmore Cottage in that dull suburb that is neither city nor grand country estate. Frogmore Cottage is a third-rate residence and it's all that was on offe. WIth Meghan's ambitions and love of luxury and statsu so much to the fore, the idea that Meghan wanted Frogmore Cottage is ludicrous, as is the notion that she turned down a 20-room flat in KP.

As for the christening - the Queen gave them their photo op at the photo-call two days after Archie's birth, and that's all she's giving them - that was the careful purpose of that photo op, to show the Queen and Philip smiling delightedly at their first mixed-race great-grandchild. This christening is important: it's Harry's first. The Queen showed up at both George and Charlotte's christenings - by the time Louis was born she could safely not appear. But Archie is Harry's first.

Tiaragate and the mean girl bullshit at Eugenie's wedding, the reports of abuse toward staff that the Palace did absolutely nothing to counteract, in fact putting out a press release supporting the outraged P.A. who left as soon as the Down Under tour was over . . . if you think these things are imaginary, you haven't figured out how these people operate.

I'm sure they'll get an invite to Balmoral, too - the Queen knows all about those photo images. But if you think she doesn't have other means to express her disapproval think again. If Meghan hadn't shown her real face to them so early (cf. Tiaragate, which no one at the Palace has ever denied), fucked up so often on that tour, refused to fit in and instead focussed on her and her "brand", and most of all hadn't made enemies of the Cambridges so quickly, she might have gotten that grand flat in London and a nicer country home, and her child might have gotten an HRH. If you think for a moment that Meghan Markle former Suitcase Girl on Deal or No Deal wouldn't have lapped those things up like a cat at a dish of cream, you're naive.

Frogmore Cottage as their only official residence is a far cry from a grand flat in KP and a grand 10-bedroom country home on the Queen's personal estate at Sandringham.

No one understands that kind of code better than Meghan Markle. Her mistake was thinking once the rng was on her finger she had them over a barrel.

R214 - They have publiclyh sidelined her, only in subtle code: back of the royal box at the Albert Hall, Meghan off by herself on a balcony whilst the three Queens (one current and two future) were on the other, the third-rate official residence, back of the BP balcony kept well away from the Queen by Andrew and Anne, no HRH for the firstborn, the refusal to allow them to set up a completely separate official staff, household, and "brand" . . . what do you think those messages are?

It's just not the kind of thing the vast members of the public grasp. But anyone in those circles knows what those things mean.

Meghan fucked it up within 12 months, and badly.

As for what the BRF have to lose if they divorce: please. If they survived the divorce of the Heir Apparent and future head of the Church of England and Defender of the Faith, they'll do just fine with the divorce of the sixth in line and his American divorcee wife who couldn't care less about Britain and its people. They'll probably give a sigh of relief as she heads back to the territory she belongs in: L.A.

Why has MM stated that she has been dedicated to the Armed Forces Community since before meeting Harry , on the Insta post? That's a new one on me

If they divorce, they also have the added benefit of possibly salvaging Harry's reputation (if he is amenable and willing to meet them halfway). The longer he stays married to her, the more he sinks in the public's estimation.

I’ll give you the back of the box at The Royal Albert Hall and the hilarious pics of her stuck with the German woman on Rememberance Sunday. But that’s more to do with status than snubbing. Meghan has the lowest status of all the major royals and HM is apparently a stickler for such matters.

You’ve never seen Frogmore Cottage & I highly doubt you’ve been anywhere near Windsor (have you ever even been to the UK?). It’s not London - but it’s not a dreary dump either. Elton John lives there and the Clooney’s are half an hour up the road. That part of the UK is extremely expensive because it’s such a desirable place to live.

Windsor Great Park is stunning. I grew up in Surrey and we used to go there quite a lot to walk the dogs. I’d give my eye teeth to live there. Really silly to keep on with the “it’s a dump” routine. Actually, it’s not.

And so what if it was staff accommodation? That doesn’t automatically make it a dump.

The “grand flat” at KP is right next door to William & Kate. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that Harry refused point blank to move in, leaving Meghan little choice in the matter. I expect she was easily mollified by the promise of a suite of rooms at Buckingham Palace in a year or two.

I know that people like you can’t bear being disagreed with and we’re all supposed to be aghast at a cottage on a private estate that’s had nearly £3m spent on it....but most of us Brits actually think they’re lucky.

R218 Me, Me and Me visited US soldiers abroad as a Suit star.

R220 Please, just look at FrogCott's building. It's ugly.

Dedicated.....

Cringeworthy does not seem sufficient to describe that Insta post, Good Lord! Hamburgers, suitcases and now this...

R223 - what an asshole. One publicity trip to "entertain" the US troops and she's "dedicated" to theBritish Armed Forces? WTF? This woman doesn't have an authentic bone in damn body. She's a disgrace and an embarassment.

R192 and R194, I had the same feeling about the William thing--just some informal comments during an engagement, but so much more effective than social media posturing. Also, it's good to remember what, despite all her faults, Diana did for people.

Frogmore may be nice inside with all the renovations but it doesn't have what's called "curb appeal". Outside, it's not attractive.

Wait until she tries to be a MILF - that should go over well.

Sophie Wessex seems to have lost her fashion groove lately but here are some of her older Ascot outfits.

The Clarence House post of the Queen in Scotland. Charles accompanied her to the Scottish Parliament.

More photos of the Queen's day in Scotland. Charles is a red as ever.

In the Clarence House IG post at R188, Charles almost looks handsome in the last photo of him flying.

From what I understand, much of who is at Balmoral when is never known. It's a private home, except for church, they're seldom seen and people come and go in the roughly 8 - 10 weeks the Queen is in residence. But the whole gang is often there for at least awhile. When Diana died, Anne and her kids were there (according to books written, because Anne and Peter Phillips were both front and centre spending time with them - which is fascinating about Anne as it's pretty much established she wasn't fond of Diana.).

Harry to attend Disney's European premier of the Lion King. It appears the new Sussex foundation will be involved with a Lion King-related Disney conservation initiative.

[quote] In celebration of the film’s release, The Walt Disney Company announced Protect the Pride, a global conservation campaign working with many conservation partners to raise awareness and support efforts to protect and recover the dwindling lion population across Africa, the press release states.

[quote] The Royal Foundation plans to support the Protect the Pride campaign to find solutions that “benefit people, communities and wildlife across Africa.”

r179 and r185. Thank You. Those were pleasure to read.

I'll be the first to enjoy rich, fattening servings of gossip, but, it's so much more fun when it's actually grounded in credibility. I've also been critical of the Duchess of Sussex when it's clear she's not managing her new role with good judgment and it remains to be seen if she rights the ship.

Meghan-haters taken by "Baby Born With Wooden Leg" nonsense and then posting it, are a downer.

Effective gossip calls for some measure, even if slight, of credibility based upon actual events.

What does everyone think Meghan is writing her New Mom Diary?

On International Scoliosis Day (who knew?), Eugenie posts photos of her back scar on her wedding day.

The personal reason why Prince Harry will attend that premier is to get away from the missus for a few hours without her having a go at him afterwards.

"But sweetie, attending this thing will be good for our brand ... you can't have any objections against me working for our brand, can you?"

Surprise! What maternity leave? Meghan joins Harry for a baseball game. Wearing black, of course.

Someone isn't pleased about the Duchess claiming how dedicated she is to the troops. Here is one of the posters on Instagram:

"This infuriates me. I was a military spouse. My husband is now retired. For her to claim dedication to the troops when all she did was one, very brief USO tour for her own self promotion is sickening. She is not and was not an entertainer. She did not dance, she did not sing, she was not a comedienne. She thought she was eye candy, which is yet another delusion. Sorry for my tone, but I am livid about this. To me this is a civilian equivalent of stolen valor. Unacceptable".

Is that a wig? Seriously.

Whoa, r241. I wonder that, too.

She's still BIG around the stomach area. Why the hell would she wear a belt to emphasize her weight is beyond me. Her shoes aren't high heels either. Write that down.

R243 - OMG her knees are still swollen too.

Harry and Meghan with the Boston Red Sox. Her face is still swollen. Second photo: Hapless Hear Loss Harry! Harry looks mad even when he smiles.

When she doesn't wear stilettos, Meghan is quite short.

R240 So she went over in the same sort of capacity that The Sun used to send Page 3 girls over. Gracie Fields she ain't.

R241, looks like a wig, or clip in weave.

What happened to you, Hapless Harry?

^ Hapless HAIR Loss Harry!

Diana had HUGE cheeks when she was little.

For comparison.

Second pic: What the hell is going on in Meggers' breast area?

Yankees and Red Sox are playing the first ever baseball game in London Stadium. There are rumors that maybe Harry and Meghan might show up...

Rachel doesn't want you to forget she's Muhrican.

i'm sure it's already been posted but 3rd nanny quit! LOL.

The Queen wore her Thistle Brooch. Look at the size of that brooch!

I agree there's a wiglet or weave on the back of her head. You can see the bump at R239. She's still working on getting back to her fighting weight and probably feels frumpy so she's doing what she can.

R252 - her hair is on one side and she is holding a little Red Sox jersey for Archie.

Harry with the Yankees!

Video of them taking group shot in locker room.

You can see Harry's bald spot, poor guy!

Queen Alexandra's Collier Résille. I'm feeling all choked up! LOL.

R258, as mentioned, I was referring to the second pic, not the first one.

Meghan can't wait to live in the US full time again.

The British peasants can fuck off.

She may be wearing pads to protect against milk leakage, R252.

R265, hm, true, I wasn't thinking of that particular possibility. Thanks!

video of them in yankees locker room

It's Tiara Time - here is the Rundell Tiara worn by Queen Alexandra. Unfortunely, her daughter Princess Victoria disposed of it after her mother's death.

^ Unfortunately

I've never seen anyone gain weight the way she does. The extra weight distributes itself in such an odd way.

Archie is getting a lot of gifts. Two jerseys - now is he going for Boston or New York? I think Nutmeg will favor the New York Yankees.

From Meghan's Mirror. That was fast!

She used to wear a Blue Jays cap a lot.

Pippa and the baby yoga...oy

Pippa is probably horrified at how fat her baby is and is monitoring to the gram the amount of food the baby is given and is now having her baby exercise to slim down.

Harry better watch his wife. Some of those ballplayers have more disposable income than he does.

Call me cynical, but was this stage managed to bury all the bad press? The press have been repeating the Frogmore spending stories, the "nannies quitting" stories are everywhere now....well, because there's nothing much else to report on. So wheel the wife out and bury the bad news.

Unless there is something coming out in the Sundays, tomorrow.

Yeah, I'm cynical ;-)

Her hair, her forehead, her chipmunk cheeks. That is all.

One of the red sox players is related to Meghan and he's has been invited to dinner. R275, that's the guy related to her. Mookie betts.

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Looks like Meghan is wearing a wig or at very least hair pieces. But wow the takeaway from the photos of her today......her weight gain is distributed like a woman in her early 50s who's overweight all her life but also gaining more due to menopause. I almost feel bad for her to be going through that sort of change in physique at so early of an age. This is why yoga won't do jack for her sort of build, she needs cardio and light weight training.

R240 I dunno, not a big Markle fan, but I think Ida needs to relax.

This account has high comedic value. That is all.

I have no doubt that Meghan will be thin as a rail in a month or two. She already looks much better than she did at TTC. She'll soon be making appearances left and right.

How shrewd of The Duchess of Sussex, in a good way!

Those pix of her with the Red Sox & Yankees, accompanied by her husband, with No. Other. Women. Present. That's deliberate. This woman has some game. Not Laura Sanchez game; hers is in a class by itself. I'm talking a shred of canny, self-aware stuff.

For her own mental and emotional esteem and public image, The DoS knows better than anybody that, given her still-heavy, post giving-birth body, a shot of attention from a group of men with the pix out there for all to see, is just the thing.

And, not one thing wrong with her choice of garments and shoes.

Hey when I'm critical, I say so. In fairness, when she gets something right, I'll say so.

Harry also wore all black, which seems like a nice thing to do.

Black is of course slimming.

R282 What is of course hilarious about that account to is the replies. All of them begging, begging for the great day when all will be revealed!

R286 - so that would mean Meghan is actually even larger than she appears.

They're not so touchy-feely anymore.

Do you think she's wearing Kimono under her Stella dress?

I dunno why she doesn't just lipo that shit out. She must look like a complete disaster naked. Harry isn't fucking that.

Two photos of Meghan.

Making sure her legs are shown front and center.

Harry and Meghan on the field. Tension in the air.

They're holding hands now.

R289, she's still doing the political spouse loving gaze at him, though.

The Sussex pair from another angle.

Does the "19" on Archie's little jersey stand for his year of birth (2019)?

Harry’s man-spread is so Alpha. I don’t think Smeg has completely beaten him down yet, I bet he’s getting some pussy on the side.

For once, I have no snark to deliver. I think Harry and Meghan look great, and in their element with all those American baseball players.

I bet Smeg was cruising those ballers. As mentioned above, some of them have even more cash than Harry. Less cache, but more cash.

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R299 - Must beg to differ. She looks, as usual, awful. I get the black for the team's colours, but it's possibly, with navy blue, her worst colour. She looks ungainly, her hair is a mess, the belt emphasises her boxy middle instead of cutting it, and all in all, she looks like she's back to Photo Op Meghan. And she does indeed look like she's thrilled to be doing her American Thing.

Yes, she looks better than she did at the TTC, but then she was out with The Family and here it's just the Adored Husband and the photogs.

I say get her back to America as soon as humanly possible. Maybe Harry will do better at becoming a Yank than Meghan is doing at becoming a Brit.

Harry looking skinny. And OLD. He's only 34!

Yeah, r300, but Harry will always be financially secure and will go to his grave as the Duke of Sussex.

Even major league pro baseball players are, one day, ex-major league pro baseball players and perhaps broke.

What exactly is going on with her hips? She didn't even have hips before. Just straight up and down.

Very unflattering.

She had to pick between two evils, r305.

A muu-muu, or, define and announce it. I think she made the better choice.

You can see where her weave stitch on

R303 - her hair can't make up its mind which way it wants to go!

Meghan's black dress is by Stella McCartney.

Young Charles and Anne.

Agreed, R307, it's pretty obvious to see in R305's pic.

While pregnancy often increases your hair's volume and lusciouusness, women often start losing hair a few months after having given birth. I guess she will panic in case she starts losing hair due to the hormonal post baby changes.

Sorry, it's R303's pic where you can see the hairpiece.

Charles got hit with a polo ball.

Today it's the hats of Fergie. Swipe for some eye popping fascinators!

Which way should I go?

Meghan is on another Vanity Fair cover - this time it's the Italian version.

You may be right Della. Not a lot of great options with her current shape. Maybe a softer (and less wrinkly) fabric and a few inches longer to cover her knees and it would have been just a smidge better. It may be the pocket sticking out giving her hip that weird sharp shape?

MM was going to wear a Victoria Beckham, r309.

You dolts out there, the colors of Invictus are black/yellow and that is why both Harry and Meghan are wearing black. ALL of the Invictus people are wearing black shirts, including the two veterans who threw the first pitch.

Ah, I see the Troll Troll has arrived.

Nailed it, r317 with your suggestion of more length; even say, two inches.

I think she looks the best she can at this point in her post-pregnancy body.

Not a troll, just someone with common sense. If you are a Yankees fan, then it's midnight blue and white. Likewise for Red Sox fans it's red and white. IF you are attached to Invictus then it's black. See how easy that is to sort out?

R320 How is the fake baby doing? Has the surrogate switched out the live baby for the doll yet?

Yeah - because Megsy has NEVER been wearing black before ...

Anybody else watching the Red Sox Yankees game?

They just showed the Sussexes.

What a weird scoring game. It's only the 3rd inning and already it's 8 to 6.

Great first inning, by the way. British baseball fans are getting quite a show.

Yankees 8 and Red Sox 6 , 3rd inning

It's not the incessant hand-holding, it's the additional arm-holding on top of the hand-holding. Nauseating.

R323 "been wearing"

Oh dear....

Those photos with the Red Sox (Go Red Sox!) and Yankees are ruining the impending Harkle divorce rumors.

I thought she was on maternity leave.

Agree, R326. I thought she did it to help balance herself while wearing high heels, but she's wearing flats today.

^^^ She usually needs holding on to help balance herself while wearing high heels. It's probably a habit now since she wears mostly heels.

r328, I'll cop to predicting divorce, however, you do make a good point.

Those Red Sox Yankees pixpix couldn't be better for them.

R327, as you seem to be an expert in this field, please explain what I was doing wrong here by using the present perfect continuous.

Thanks in advance.

Meg and Harry look good in an American context. Make of that what you will.

r333, I am not that poster and I can't explain why, but in this case the correct form is "has never worn." You could also say, "She's never been seen wearing."

Is it evil of me to want the Red Sox and Yankees to have a bench-clearing, pitchers-race-in-from-the-bullpen, several-four-letter-words-landed, brawl?

That's not exactly unheard of between those two teams.

I never thought they'd divorce soon, more like in at least 4-5 years time when they get sick of each other or branding don't go right. The one to push for it would be Meghan if she sees better prospects on the horizon, and that includes freedom to do as she pleases without being criticized for being a hypocritical sponger. Being photographed at a sporting event is always a win-win because it's casual and shows BRF spongers to be "just like regular people". The problem is that the Sussexes will not be in these events majority of the time.

I suspect Meghan would have worn black to hide her post-pregnancy body whether it was an Invictus color or not.

R336 - no, it would just be so American of you. LOL.

Optics such as this one don't seem to fit the narrative (rumors, leaks) that paint the Sussexes as overindulgent twats who are hellish to deal with as employers. This is aside from being thirsty for fame and promoting questionable ventures as part of their mental health/ humanitarian efforts. So it's really the Sussexes actively putting themselves out there in order to combat leaks with optics and photo ops if they continue to go this route.

Ah, ok ... and there was me thinking using the present perfect continuous in this case would make sense as Megsy used to wear black before and still does (action that started in the past and is continuing now).

Speaking of Megsy and Hairless Harry, I don't think they will divorce soon. For the time being, they're too much indulging in that Me And You Against The World stance. This particular 'bond' they share now will eventually start wearing off - but this will take a while.

Nancy Reagan is still alive. Third photo: her own hair and the false hair are not the same color.

Has Meghan been basking in the sun or is she using way too much spray tan. That is the question.

^ forgot the ? mark in my post above. Duh.

Spray tan or darker foundation, trying to hide the pregnancy-related water retention cheeks.

Now we know what Jazz Jennings is going to look like at 40.

Wow, just horrible (re the third pic in R342's post). Why is she doing this to herself? She doesn't need that monstrosity of a weave.

R341, your sentence "Megsy has NEVER been wearing black before ... " was off because of the "never before". You're right about the present perfect for ongoing activity, but we native speakers tend to use the simple form to refer to quanity (she's never worn that color before/she's worn it 3 times) and the continuous form to emphasize the duration of activity (she's been wearing black ever since her husband died). Your English is excellent so don't let people's pickiness get to you--the person was probably being snide because they took you for a native speaker.

Back to gossip: Apparently US Weekly published more quotes from "insiders" or friends saying Megs has no regrets about the OTT baby shower and it just doing as she pleases as the UK press is critical no matter what she does. Can't post link because US weekly seems to be blocking my European IP.

Here you go, R348

R348 & R349 - we've suspected she doesn't care how she behaves because she really doesn't care what the British press or public think of her. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets.

It's also in Elle and Cosmo for those in the UK can't access US Weekly.

Getting a gift from the Yankees pushed me over the edge. I love QEII. She made being Queen a sacrifice and a duty. But these fuckheads have done nothing. She married the right guy, popped out a baby, and now a poor, non-famous public is paying for their house, their renovations, their trips around the world, and all H&M have to do is follow a few IG accounts and a few charities . Fuck royalty. Get them out. The world is unfair enough as it is without all this celebrated privilege.

The Queen and Anne are in syn.

A jaunty pair in kilts.

R339 Nope we go to hockey games to see fights.

As in "I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out"

-Rodney Dangerfield

Wow- top of the 4th and the Yanks are leading 14 - 6.

They are amused.

From the US Weekly article:

[quote] She doesn’t regret the baby shower in NYC that got so much backlash,” a source exclusively tells Us. “She doesn’t regret celebrating her baby or doing it in NYC."

[quote] But, according to the first source, the new mom is having a difficult time adjusting to life across the pond. “It’s hard for Meghan in London because the press is so vicious to her there,” adds the insider. “This is her life every day. But her mentality is like, well if this is what it’s going to be like, I’m going to do what I want to do. I won’t play by these rules.”

Don’t like the dress (and I think the bunching at the hips comes from weirdly-placed pockets right under the belt), but this is genuinely cool:

“An 1870 Federal Consensus reportedly shows that Joseph Betts is Mookie's great-great grandfather and Jacob Betts - who lived two doors down from Joseph - is the great-great-great grandfather of Meghan.”

R348, thanks for the explanation, much appreciated!

Harry is talking to the guy seated next to him and Meghan is waving to her fans.

R357 - how would she know how vicious the British press are if she doesn't read the newspapers/mags/Interne post like she says? Oops, another lie from Megsy.

^ Internet

[quote] Harry has been to one state dinner, ever. These aren't the type of things he and his wife will be invited to anyway, especially with a wife who cant behave properly in mature situations. This is actually the second state dinner since their wedding, and they weren't included either time, nor were they expected to be.

Fucking liar. The "American Princess" the only American member of the British Royal Family not being invited to the State Dinner for the American President and you think that's "normal" dear?

It's not normal. Now, again, I don't blame her or Harry for bailing on trump, he's a fucking racist pig and a security threat to everyone on earth. But to claim that there was never any reason she'd have attended in the first place is just stupid. Smarten up or stifle yourself, Edith.

R363 time for your meds

Harry deserves her. I think she acts out his hostility towards his family and his role, whilst he gets to play both sides. That they think they can and will be funded lavishly indefinitely beggars belief - Chrissy Tiegen is not supported by the taxpayer!

Oh my goodness, and the Megsystan at 364 disappears *poof* like she's one of her own farts in the wind.

Buh-bye, punkin.

Where are you, oh patron of ours?

Have you forgotten about us?

Are you bored of us?

I'm more interested in the 3 nannies leaving within a short period, than Harry and Meghan doing damage control by going to sports event photo ops. How does one go through nannies in such a short span of time, unless they're psycho employers who are hellish to work for. I thought Meghan wanted to do everything by herself?

I'm sure she's going through them like that because they're not the right "vibe" for her (meaning not deferential enough) and she's telling Dimsdale that they're not right for the baby.

When she finds an adoring co-dependent slavering fool, she'll keep her.

Imagine what she’ll be like with Archie and the nanny in South Africa. They better find a good fit before that because it’s already going to be stressful enough with just the travel. Archie will be cranky from the long journey and Harry will be gone to other countries for a chunk of it.

She’ll need Mary Poppins if she wants a nanny who will endure that with her.

R363. Good point.

On another note...that excessive, over-the-top and insincere Instagram post about these two Sussex morons supporting the armed services and her supporting them even before she met Dimwit because she did a Vanna White-style kisses tour was insulting and nauseating and took the focus off the armed services and on her where it did not belong. What the fuck is wrong with her? She doesn't know any better?

I thought Buckingham Palace was monitoring and had to approve the social media of these two douchebags.

R359 I made the snide comment....just to be snide. This is DL where we mock even victims of murder and rate their hotness as a reason to express pity for their death. We also praise the hotness of murderers and try to guess their penis size.

Your English usage is good, and you clearly have put a lot of effort into learning the language - which can be darn tricky.

I see Sara Latham was there with them today, filming them on a phone. I can't remember seeing her attend any other engagement with them.

R372, hehe, and me asking for your expertise was me being a bit snide. Anyway, thx for your reply!

Hey, R372, we're not ALL about the cock and the hotness ranking, we also want to know what was on their iPods.

Meghan and Harry are brining good luck to the boys from the Bronx.

17 - 7 at top of the 7th!!

Curse of the Bambino ended in 2004 but there must be a new curse on the Red Sox.

A big Bronx cheer for all the Meghan-hating nasties here!

Curse of the Bimbino! I'll show myself out.

The dress appears to be....culottes?

For all you who have never heard a Bronx cheer - here is one that the Queen would approve of, just not at Ascot.

Forget it, smegma girl, there is no more curse on the Bosox.

How many times have we won the World Series now?

HOW MANY TIMES NOW?

Fuck off. Also, stanning Megsy is so ovah you may as well live in Reveah.

Who the fuck are you R379, Matt Damon?

Oh no - your damn Soxes got 3 in..

But they WILL lose today

And they are still # 3 while the Yanks are #1

Go back to ogling pics of Kate's bottom that she used to love displaying before the Queen ordered the weights on the hems to stop the fun.

And to those deluded folks who thought Pippa's ass was all that at the wedding, just no. Sorry, flat as a pancake whitey ass.

Go visit the Bronx to see some fine bootie.

It's okay if they lose today, I watched them lose for decades and now I watch them win and win and win again.

The Curse of the Bambino is still DEAD, moron.

And Megsy is still a lying, grifting, scheming gold digger. The Royal Family has been onto her for some time. Harry may not know it yet but William, Kate, Camilla, Charles, Her Majesty, Philip and everyone else does.

I don't understand the revolving nanny problem. If you could get by on the pay, suck up to the Mrs. and let things slide off your back, it seems like nannying for Harry and Meghan might be interesting. Not for long, if they're really as difficult as is rumoured, but long enough to peek behind the curtains to see what their life and marriage is like.

R382

Perhaps...but she laid a massive golden egg and will want for nothing for the next 21 years (child support extends through the college years now). And I am sure she is going to start very quickly to lay another golden egg.

Always worth posting for anyone who has missed it - you lads grilling today?

From the ratty hair to the wonky eye to the crows feet - deluded Megsy in all her, erm, glory.

I agree, R382. She's going to lose all the weight she gained, get back in shape and then turn around and get pregnant again. Sounds exhausting. More belly-cupping and cradling to come.

My first thought with the rather obvious weave and her dark tan/makeup is that she’s Reclaiming Her Blackness, since unthread we are told in an article that she doesn’t care anymore.

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The 16th Duke of Hamilton, Alexander Douglas, had a rough childhood. His grandfather spend all the family fortune, and his father opened the family estate to the public and did most of the house repairs himself. Alexander's mother became an alcoholic and his father was awarded custody of all the children. Then the father (15th Duke) himself became an alcohol and eventually Alexander and his sibling were given by the courts to their grandmother. The mother died at 48.

Someone should print up and sell "Belly Cradling" t-shirts just to fuck with her.

In Scotland, Charles is the Duke of Rothesay, not Prince of Wales.

Duke of Rothesay is a dynastic title of the heir apparent to the British throne, currently Prince Charles. It was a title of the heir apparent to the throne of the Kingdom of Scotland before 1707, of the Kingdom of Great Britain from 1707 to 1801, and now of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The Scottish crown is almost bigger than that cute little twinky Duke of Hamilton

Harry helped design Meghan's new "bespoke, conflict-free" eternity band. He added meaning birthstones for the three of them. And...

[quote] While working closely with the famous Los Angeles-based jeweller, the prince also took the opportunity to have Meghan’s engagement ring—which features two stones that once belonged to Princess Diana—resized and reset with a new delicate diamond band.

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R394. I guess Harry kind of likes her even though he was pissed at her while on the balcony during the Trooping of the Colour. It wasn't an ungrateful Me-again redesigning her engagement ring. Harry did it and then gave her the eternity ring with three birthstones (Harry, Markle and Archie) on the underside for pushing out the kid.

So her PR claimes, R396, who actually knows?

R394 - It's really all about America these days, isn't it? The L.A. jewellery designer, the BoSox as the first real solo appearance after Archie (family there both for the Birth Photocall and the TTC) - all right, she's wearing a Stella McCartney dress. But the foundation is announced to have a "strong American focus" I get a distinct aroma of a brazen, gleeful two fingers up to Britain whilst taking British taxpayer money for their luxury lifestyle.

Harry should know better. The BRF should know better.

R396 - That photo is bloody awful - she looks like the back end of a lorry.

R382 - "And Megsy is still a lying, grifting, scheming gold digger. The Royal Family has been onto her for some time. Harry may not know it yet but William, Kate, Camilla, Charles, Her Majesty, Philip and everyone else does."

Then why did they allow it and why aren't they doing something about it? Like cutting down Charles' supplement to his son's household expenses and cutting off her access to that "clothing fund"?

Harry just spent a large amount of money on another piece of jewellery for his wife JUST as the news of the extra funding needed to "refurbish" their fucking cottage hit the papers.

You can hear the UK taxpayer saying, "Why couldn't he have used that money to contribute to fixing up his own home?"

What on earth is wrong with the BRF? It's like watching the Romanovs go off the cliff of history.

R397. Do you think she bought her own eternity ring?

Likely, R401. He is notoriously cheap.

She was the one who had the ring altered to look like her wedding ring that she mailed back to Trevor. Doubt Dim would have sought out those photos and copied it.

Her being fawned over in the locker room re-defined try hard.

I do feel sorry for the child.

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I’ve had a sort of personal epiphany about Harry and Meghan. They’re fine, what they want to do is fine, whatever.

It’s just they are not ROYAL.

Tell that to the UK taxpayer, R404.

R402. I understand what you're saying, and you may have a point that Dimwit is too dumb to check old photos concerning the ring. However, there are so many people including media all over the world who are not dumb and who are checking every photo of Markle. It's a rhetorical question, but do you also think that Markle would do something underhanded about the ring knowing that Harry would hear about it from his family or in the media even if he didn't check into what she was doing in the first place regarding the ring redesign?

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Someone is F&Fing every single post. WTF?

R407. I hope things work out for Bea. I like her. She seems like a nice girl. She deserves to be happy after putting up with that other douchebag for nearly 10 years.

[quote] Her being fawned over in the locker room re-defined try hard.

I don't know. It looked pretty easy to me.

Your remark is classic Frau-speak for those who can't bring themselves to honestly admit what their eyes see, but can't bear to acknowledge - her presentation in those pix was a triumph of savvy PR.

The timing of that baseball game could not have been more perfect.

And as I posted earlier but bears repeating- it was very shrewd of her to seize the moment when no other women were present while she was the lone subject of attention by her husband and two teams of men, and then, the best part: pix of it for all the world to see.

Tip of that hat, Duchess. That's the way you boost your self esteem and image in still your still pudgy post-pregnant state.

It's possible that Bea's ex was worried that their kids would come out funny looking, fat, with giant bug eyes and huge teeth. He ended up marrying a tall, skinny attractive woman.

Diana had a nice rack.

Diana's nose looks very beak-like in the photo above.

[quote] That's the way you boost your self esteem and image in still your still pudgy post-pregnant state.

Yes. Try hard.

Other times, grill burgers and flip your hair.

Try hard.

TOP DEFINITION try-hard A person who puts a large amount of effort into achieving a certain image, or counter-image, to the point where it is obviously contrived. Rather than achieving an image through genuine personality, the try-hard consciously attempts to fit a certain style through deliberate imitation, forced style, or scripted behavior. That is to say, he/she is trying hard to create an image.

Meg and Harry are having a very nice PR week. The Royal tour, the game, the ring. It certainly puts to rest the TTC rumors that there are marital troubles.

But that's to be expected , right? After the financial report and the grumblings about FC, which soon became grumblings over KP and the BRF as a whole, *something* needed to distract the public from the royal cost to taxpayer. As we all know, the last thing the royals want is for there to be too much focus on their finances and spending.

So it's better for everyone to trot out Meghan, and for news of the ring to circulate, and for the dual tours to be announced. Certainly can't count on Kate and Will to grab headlines in just that way.

[quote] it was very shrewd of her to seize the moment when no other women were present while she was the lone subject of attention by her husband and two teams of men

You mean the moment literally created and documented by her PR person?

FS, come on. Try harder to be plausible.

Changing the engagement band and adding the eternity band seam modest compared to what celebrities expect for "push" presents these days. Wonder if they paid retail for the jewelry or just promised to name/advertise the company? I expected more of a wow gift.

I don't think she looked bad in the ballgame photos, but she needs to listen to a good stylist, especially regarding the hair (and everything else).

[QUOTE] The Royal Family has been onto her for some time. Harry may not know it yet but William, Kate, Camilla, Charles, Her Majesty, Philip and everyone else does.

I think she’s smashing!

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If the gossip about MM “no way missing Wimbledon” and all of the celebrities, etc. is true, this appearance with Harry at the game was very smart and necessary.

She looks good (boxy but good) and it gets her out “off leave” at something that is charitable. If she had only done TTC and then multiple days of hobnobbing at Wimbledon, people would lose their shit. They’ll still lose their shit and have a lot to say but they won’t be able to say “she’s not done one thing in the last six months, but look at her here now with Anna Wintour.”

I agree with Della that she’s the sparkle of the baseball op and it’s a good play overall - plus gives her at least one “I did my duty” thing before rich peopling at Wimbledon next week.

My last catty addition is with those profile candids, there’s no way she had a nose job. She would have done more if she did.

They can use the copper tub as a baby pool for Archie. He will be spending a lot of time at pool parties in LA, after all. Good to get him used to swimming at a young age.

If not a nose job, what explains the difference?

Agree that her profile is less than ideal.

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^^^ ooof!!!!

You butches are merciless!

I never really noticed her legs, were they always that fat? Her hips look huge. I've heard that women's hips may widen after childbirth...I wonder if this is the case for her.

The way she ballooned up in the last month she may have caught a bad case of toxemia.

The Cambridges are visiting Pakistan in autumn.

^swipe to see photos of prior royal visits to Pakistan.

Just William and Kate? I wonder if William requires his whole room to be moved just like his dad.

The atmosphere today was better than the TTC, but Harry has certainly turned some sort of corner. Watching the videos of this, many times Meghan did the whole contrived, doe-eyed, loved up act and he did not go along with it as he did in Australia. At most, he let her do her two-handed death grip for a bit.

Good for him. Glad to see he is acting a bit more dignified. Maybe she'll follow suit once she understands he's not playing that game anymore.

R403 - Andrew is the Queen's blood son. Meghan Markle is the wife of her sixth in line grandson. They naturally circle the wagons around their own. Meghan isn't their own.

R423 - She absolutely had a nose job, but it was admirably subtle. She had the end not only narrowed but lifted so that there was more space between her upper lip and the end of her nose, a common fix. Marilyn Monroe had it done. That's where the real difference lies.

I still can’t wrap my mind around her pregnancy weight gain.

She had abvery small / lean frame and a small-ish baby. That usually translates to a 25-35 pound pregnancy weight gain.

I’m willing to bet Markle put on a good 80 pounds. She’s lost a lot of it, of course, but her body looks totally rearranged.

I get why she wears heels all the time. With her boxy frame, flats make her look squat.

What if she used a surrogate and got pregnant naturally half way through? LOL!

My sister tends to chubbiness. She had her first child in her 40s. Started out 5’5”, about 135. Didn’t really stress over food or exercise while pregnant, gained about 35 pounds. Lost it pretty quickly. So it’s hard to imagine how little Miss Control Freak went so totally off the rails.

I dunno if she really gained 80 pounds but what's even weirder about the weight gain is that the last time we saw her before maternity leave she of course had the huge belly but the rest of her wasn't that big. She mostly just gained back some of the weight she lost before the wedding. Her face for the most part looked same as always.

How long was she out of sight before presenting Archie? 6 weeks or so? WTF happened during those 6 weeks? I have seen some women really swell like crazy their last few weeks but it's all fluids and they lose it pretty quickly after giving birth. Her face looks so different. It's just a lot to gain in such a short amount of time. I wonder if the pregnancy threw her thyroid out of whack or something. Because I never thought she'd gain that much and figured that she'd drop whatever she did gain pretty darn fast.

Maybe Meghan lied about her age, she wouldn't be the first actress to LOL!

I think the baby was liking the nannies too much and Meghan got jealous and fired them.

I think it's possible that she has some health issues during/after birth...and she couldn't exercise as much or take pills to slim down or whatever the fuck she was doing...

Stop acting like it's so easy to lose weight for post-partum women.

She has already lost a lot of weight and she will keep losing weight. Maybe she will get never her pre-baby body back but she's not obese or anything.

The Cambs going to Pakistan is quite a surprise.

It's not an easy tour.

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Meghan had a contract with her first husband that if they had kids together he would pay for a trainer so she could lose the weight. Her identity is being the "hot chick". So it IS surprising that she gained so much weight. She got awfully scrawny there for a while so the way she looks now is quite a contrast. She just seems like she would have been pretty disciplined about her weight so of course people are gonna notice the gain and comment.

Pregnancy weight is not about discipline.

I don't think she gained much fat, but there's a lot of water retention and she can't do much about it.

Like motherfuck would I allow that backside photo to see the light of day if I were Markle. Unless, of course, she's attempting to go the kartrashian route with her body. What shocks me more is the face. She looks like a totally different person. Even her skin color is different.

That BBQ video is very bizarre. I get where she's trying to go with it, but it's pure fail. Eating a hamburger has never looked so awkward.

That's fat, not fluids.

Yes, I was just gonna comment on her tan. I wonder if she stopped the skin bleaching creams. Probably can't use that while breast feeding.

R448 You don't have fluid retention 6 weeks postpartum, in fact for most women the fluid retention is gone in a week. She is just fat.

That dress may be Stella but it looks like Sears on the Markle woman.

I see, from the videos, she's doing the hand movement-talking to herself dance again.

If that if just fluid retention she must have at least a gallon of water in her ass. I don't think it works that way.

It's more likely to be due to spaghetti than water.

I saw a couple of videos of her today. She was in actress mode. Nothing real about her.

The dress has side pockets, makes her hips even wider.

She's likely been starving herself her entire showbiz career. She took the first bite and couldn't stop. Good for her.

That's what I'm thinking R456. She had some carbs for the first time in years and just went nuts and blew up super fast.

I'm surprised how slim Harry is, no beer belly at all.

Why Harry would have a beer belly? He's quite sporty.

I’m surprised how BALD Harry is. And haggard. He’s aging fast and losing his looks even faster, just like his brother.

Maybe Smeg caught an infection in the hospital, or developed one after discharge, and they put her on steroids. That would swell her up in no time.

Oh lord, please don't use the word "discharge" when talking about a woman who just had a baby.

R407, now that's a Bea look I love. Don't like her choice of accessory, though. If you go for an Italian, why not one who's tall and dark? Edo looks like he belongs in a Norwegian boy band.

R461 They give you antibiotics for an infection not steroids.

Agree with R434. Will be interesting to see if Harry ever returns to playing the infatuated new hubby for the cameras. Megs is going to keep up the adoring gazes and handholding, though. I think that's a bigger part of her brand than the wokeness. R360's instagram link was from someone calling themselves "harryluvsmeghan" who captioned the pic of them in the stadium "a Prince and a Princess taking in a Major League Baseball game in their Kingdom." These fairy-tale gullibles are the core social media likers.

The face change is down to botox &/or fillers. I think she’s gone overboard.

The body...I agree with whoever said it upthread - it’s not really fat, more that her entire body shape has changed.

No amount of yoga or dieting is going to shift that arse now.

If Harry married her for her face & figure (which, if course, he did) then it didn’t take long for him to end up with something entirely different. She looks like a short, dumpy pre-menopausal woman looking every minute of her nearly 40 years.

For a woman as repulsively vain as her, it’s quite amusing to watch.

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Sorry Della, we do have eyes and that dumpy homely try hard did nothing of the sort. Face it, those men were interested in HARRY not Meghan. Her PR is a disaster and so obvious. Even the women on lipstick alley are calling it.

"But what historians like Seward don't seem to comprehend at this point is that they're the ones who seem a "bit odd" when it comes to their reactions to the Duchess of Sussex. Because at this point, if they don't realize that she's determined to update all facets of a rather old-fashioned royal life, while still remaining reverent to the history behind it all—well, that's on them."

A little parting shot on an article in ENews that makes me wonder how the hell is her PR being allowed to put out this shit?

Lol, Meghan doesn't want to update royal life, she doesn't care about UK or Monarchy.

She just wants to enjoy the perks and PR, did she ever say she's proud to become english or something?

"Meghan and Prince Harry demand private christening for baby Archie"

Behind a paywall so I'll c&p for your perusal, below.

Meghan and Prince Harry demand private christening for baby Archie. Taxpayers have funded a £2.4m revamp of his home but won’t get to see the newest member of the royal family baptised.

His parents are determined to raise him as a “private citizen”. And with only two glimpses so far of Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor since his birth in May, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are sticking to their plan of “shielding” him from the public.

Royal fans hoping to see Archie at his christening, set to take place next weekend, are likely to be disappointed. Royal sources have confirmed that Harry and Meghan are planning a private baptism at St George’s Chapel, Windsor, where the Sussexes were married last year and where Harry was christened in 1984.

The decision may raise eyebrows after it emerged last week that the public has paid £2.4m towards the renovation of Frogmore Cottage, the Sussexes’ new Windsor home — a bill likely to approach £3m once further work is completed.

The move is in contrast to the decision by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to let cameras capture their children at their christenings, together with the arrivals of family members and godparents, before holding private services.

Princes George and Louis were baptised at the Chapel Royal, St James’s Palace, in London, with a small media presence capturing images that were published and broadcast around the world. For Princess Charlotte’s christening at St Mary Magdalene Church on the Queen’s Sandringham estate in Norfolk, the Cambridges invited members of the public to share in the day, opening up the paddock outside the churchyard and saying they would be “pleased to welcome wellwishers”.

Penny Junor, the royal author and Harry’s biographer, said the decision to keep the event private was “a mistake”.

She said: “They can’t have it both ways. Either they are totally private, pay for their own house and disappear out of view or play the game the way it is played.

“Seeing Archie and his godparents arriving at the christening is what people are interested in; it isn’t baring your baby’s soul, just giving the public who love and support them a crumb to enjoy. If they want it to be really private, hold it in a parish church, not St George’s Chapel where royal ceremonies are held.

“Many people don’t understand why they are paying nearly £3m for Harry and Meghan’s house, so in terms of public relations it would be a good quid pro quo for the pair to briefly show Archie off.”

So far he has been seen only at a photocall with his parents at two days old, when he slept throughout, and in a sepia photograph posted on the Sussexes’ Instagram account to mark Father’s Day, where he was cradled in Harry’s arms and was only partially visible.

It is thought the couple plan to release carefully selected images of Archie with his family and godparents on Instagram in the days after his baptism by the Archbishop of Canterbury. Prince Charles, the Duchess of Cornwall and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are expected to attend, along with Meghan’s mother, Doria Ragland. The Queen will be absent because of prior commitments.

Sources close to the Sussexes say they consider Archie to be a “private citizen” and feel strongly about “shielding” him. Friends say that while they acknowledge the public interest in the seventh in line to the throne, they intend to keep many details of his life private because he is not in the direct line of succession.

Harry, 34, who has said that combining a private life with an official role is a “tricky balancing act,” is fiercely protective of his family’s privacy.

A friend said: “Privacy is more precious to Harry than to almost any of the other member of the royal family. As Archie is not an HRH he feels he has every right to strictly police his son’s privacy.”

@royanikkhah

Haha, they use this child when it suits them, just like Meghan and her maternity leave. No to Trump but yes to the Baseball and Wimbledon.

Even Kate was not that obvious.

“Privacy is more precious to Harry than to almost any of the other member of the royal family. As Archie is not an HRH he feels he has every right to strictly police his son’s privacy.”

This level of bullshitting.... And no one call them out.

Poor kid is going to be dogged by rumours and conspiracy theories all his life.

Shame on them.

What is the point of this article? Lol. Who let this one out? Is it to prove they live at Frogmore? To prove they haven't got rid of the mysterious dog?

It just seems so strange to put out an article like this.

"Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s brand new luxury carpet ‘RUINED by muddy dog’ days after being fitted as it’s claimed pair spent £500k soundproofing Frogmore Cottage".

Or is it to slip in the REAL cost of the soundproofing?

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You want to be private? Great, pay for your damn house and $4 million in renovations.

A christening isn’t all that public in the first place. You see a few people walking into the church, take a few pictures and you’re done. It’s not that big of a deal. These two are fucking insufferable. Markle and Dimwit think they’re Greta Garbo. Maybe they’ll home school the kid too and turn him into a freak like them so that no one will ever see him.

They want a private christening but I bet we'll see Archie and mum in Vogue later this year.

I have a feeling the columnists of various papers are going to make the other press shreddings these 2 have received look like child's play over this.

Markle is still carrying a lot of extra weight around her middle, she is a classic apple shape and it shows. Even her knees look chunky. She still has pregnancy face, too. Sometimes it never goes back to the way it was. My feet are permanently 1.5 sizes bigger post-pregnancy than they were pre-pregnancy. Everything just kinds of...spreads.

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Meghan goes to a baseball game in a Stella McCartney little black dress that costs 800 pounds? WTF?

Haha, this private christening new is gold! Just a few weeks ago Meghan's PR was "leaking" about the christening, how her "Hollywood" friends and Doria would be there, etc. It was another one of her attempts to negotiate via the press.

BP must have told her, in no uncertain terms, that it would be a private christening. Now she has to save face and claim this was their choice. Also, she has to explain this to her famewhore friends who were no doubt angling for a godparent role. How long will they stick around now that they realize they have no "in" with the BRF?

They're wittling her world away. I just can't tell where Harry stands. Did he want all of the prince trappings for his son (regardless of what he is now claiming)? Or, is he happy that Archie is a private commoner given his comments about the Cambridge kids "hogging the films"?

Read between the lines. This privacy bullshit is nothing more than Harkle throwing an epic, passive aggressive fit in public. They are not happy with the "injustices" they are facing from the BRF. They were refused their own court, the kid didn't get a title, fucking frogcot, etc. I can just hear Markle, "No title for my baby, no Archie front and center!" She's going to make sure that he is seen as little as possible in order to make him seem more important then the titled Cambridge kids. Either that or she's waiting for an offer from Vogue for a photo shoot.

Hard to believe the dress cost that much, the way the pockets were placed, it was quite unflattering.

I could see pulling the photo shot from the back, her ass was as wide as TX. But, who takes so many photos from the back? Was that some 90s trend that I cannot remember?

R479 I think that story is to counter the criticism she got after writing the foreword to the Mayhew annual report. She has to respond to every last thing. She abandoned one dog and the other is seemingly dead after a horrible accident but is the patron of a dog shelter?

Poor Guy hasn't been seen since the reports of him breaking his legs shortly after she moved to the UK. Then there were stories about them adopting another dog, a black lab, but those stories died down pretty quickly and that dog has never been seen. So now one of their dogs got mud on the carpet? She used to write about her dogs, preach "adopt don't shop" and plaster their pics all over her blog and social media. But now I suppose her dogs need their privacy?

Swipe for Princess Anne's hat collection over the years.

Group shot.

Good thinking R489.

"We're having a very bad day. Which way do we go?"

Lady Diana was pretty homely when she was younger. Her red-haired sister Lady Sarah, who dated Prince Charles, was better looking.

And she's back!

Talking to no-one.

The Queen and Charles.

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So the Beckam's sons, Liz Hurley's son, John Lennon and Yoko's son and Seymour Stein's daughter are among Elton John's 10 godchildren.

In an interview, before his own children came along Elton John admitted admitted his godchildren would receive a vast amount of his staggering wealth.

An absolute fortune as Forbes puts the pianist's net worth at a whopping $450 million (£319.2 million).

He said " “We have enough godchildren to leave everything to now. They are going to inherit a fair old whack, but our godchildren play a very big part in our lives.”

Obviously, things will have changed somewhat, since then. But, will our own Duchess Yoko try and grab a slice of Elton's very rich cake, and name him as a godparent to Archie?

History repeats....

Lol, those hips.

Yes, the private christening for little "private citizen" Archie is going to feed the flames of the growing narrative the tabloids are developing: a couple of luxury loving spoiled brats who want their home renovated with taxpayer money while Harry is off spending thousands for new diamond jewellery for his wife, and they don't even have it in them to walk a few steps to the Chapel for the christening. They really do not give a flying fuck about the British public, and they are quite obviously ceasing to care if the British public know it.

You can make arguments for whether or not Archie, minus the princely title and seventh in line, is or isn't a "private citizen" but what you can't make an argument for is that his life, whether public or private, will still be supported by money his parents haven't earned, no matter what airs of "humanitarian game changers" they give themselves as they carry out a few carefully structured visits abroad, staying in comfortable places, dressed in expensive clothes, surrounded by security, taking the nanny, P.A.s, chefs, and drivers with them - all on someone else's dime. Even Harry's trust fund isn't money he earned.

It does begin to call into question the whole show. The BRF are fools - which is fine. But making fools of the British taxpaying public isn't fine.

Meghan needs to borrow Melania's jacket.

Why can't they act like the Cambs?

The children are rarely seen, very private and no unnecessary drama. The Harkles dramatize everything, it's tiring.

Archie's christening will be private but his baby shower was a complete spectacle. She has no regrets over the baby shower being so OTT either.

If she really does plan on featuring Archie in Vogue after all of these claims that they want privacy the shit really will hit the fan. And Vogue will be released shortly before their Africa tour, so it won't exactly be the best time to piss the press off when they want positive coverage of their tour.

Lol if she refuses to show Archie in South Africa.

Why is she going anyway? Harry will do 90% of the job because the planes are too small for her to travel outside SA.

This joke.

What do you mean, a private do? I'm ready for my close up.

It isn't about privacy, it's about surpassing KP in IG followers. From the article at R475:

[quote] It is thought the couple plan to release carefully selected images of Archie with his family and godparents on Instagram in the days after his baptism by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Three details about Archie's private christening that 'break with tradition'.

1. No photos released Or certainly, not the sort of candid group shots we're used to seeing from previous royal christenings.

2. The ceremony may focus on his American heritage With an American mum, baby Archie is lucky to have dual nationality and a rich heritage.

3. The Queen won't be there OK, so there's no rule saying the Queen has to be at all royal christenings.

We all know privacy means short-circuit the press so they can do money with the pics.

They don't really care about privacy.

Meghan Markle 'could be barred from USA' if she gives up American citizenship.

Meghan Markle could renounce her US citizenship and become a full-time British national in order to escape America's overseas tax laws.

To be honest, I don't think she's thought that far ahead.

I really can't imagine that more Archie pics will boost their IG follower count that much. It seems they've pretty much maxed that out and anyone who was gonna follow them already is. Unless they buy more followers... I guess we'll see.

Everything they do has to be different and special. They really are those annoying people.

Meghan doesn't have a choice in whether or not the christening is private. The BRF have boxed her into a corner. They are not going to allow her to have a christening on par with the Cambridge children, just like they didn't give Archie a title. Now Meghan has to pretend this is all her choice.

Meghan didn't marry into the BRF so her kid could be a commoner. Being a commoner doesn't sell in Hollywood or with her celebrity friends. That $500k shower was in anticipation of some of those attendees being godparent to a prince, not a ordinary kid.

She has to make the christening private to keep the publicity train going until she gets knocked up again. She knows that a traditional christening where everyone got a good look at the baby would destroy the sepia-tinted Instagram mystery of it all. This way, she keeps the papers churning (even if it's bad publicity) and gets to draw out the reveal of Archie's face for maximum exposure. She wants to make Sussex Insta the primary place for news/pictures about them, not the traditional press. This really helps with that. Also, she doesn't have to suffer the poor contrast with Prince George's christening, which featured the Queen and all those aristocratic godparents.

The private christening make perfect sense if you realize it's all about growing the brand so she and Harry can jump ship in 3-5 years. She doesn't give a shit if the British public like it or not: They aren't her target audience.

R513 You're delusional if anything a private christening is perfect for them. They can control all the pics and what the press can publish or not.

No candid pics of the Cambs children or William being moody, no unflattering pics of Meghan's hips and ass. That's why they didn't do Lindo Wing, Meg didn't want unflattering pics, specially compared to the each time glorious post-partum Kate.

It's wet dream for PR and the BRF would give them that to punish them?

I'm looking forward to Kate's outfits during the Pakistan tour.

R513 - I don't think for a moment that the BRF told her she has to have a private christening - I doubt they care that much, especially as the Queen won't be there. They have done some minimal boxing, FrogCott, no title for the kid, no official London residence, deploying them both outside the UK . . . in truth, Meghan has gotten pretty much what she wants, even if she's had a few setbacks: her own sphere and her own brand and her own way of doing things, and dragging her husband with her and splitting him off from the increasingly powerful and higher status brother. She's already gotten what she came for: the royal title, the A-List celebrity status, the wealth, the photo ops, her preening self-serving Agent For Change platform . . . she'll take whatever she can and make the most of it whilst she can.

R514 - You're right, she doesn't give a shit about the British public, or the BRF, and I suspect at this point, the press, as well. She knows the tabloids hate her guts and are going to continue to write negative stories about her till the day she heads into that first-class VIP lounge at Heathrow, Archie and her trunks full of designer clothes in hand, climbs onto the private jet Amal Clooney has so generously leant her for the one-way trip home to Beverly Hills.

Meghan Markle is a ruthless user: she used Harry, she used her first husband, she used the BRF, the British taxpayer, and to a certain extent, the British tabloids. When she leaves, she will be able justifiably to point to them and said they're racist bigotry have made her life in the UK unbearable and she's taking her toys and going home.

My hat is off to her. I despise her but credit where due: she's played her cards to maximum benefit. Yes, from one perspective she's "fucked up" the game of becoming a real member of the BRF and doing the right things like Sophie Wessex and Kate Middleton.

But as Meghan clearly never really wanted to, perhaps she's accepted the negative press by now as the price for playing the game her way for the prizes she really wanted - she's already got those. She just needs a little more time - the trips to Africa to build the brand, the second kid . . . then she can head out with the goodies she came for, and I'm sure she'll tell Hapless Harry he's welcome to join her, and if not, that's fine, too.

25 years from now, no one will care. But over the next few years, the BRF are the losers and Meghan has played them all like the pro she is.

Prince Charles announces blueprint to solve housing crisis amidst furor over Frogmore spending. Unfortunately, most of the article is behind a paywall.

^^* say their (not said they're, damn this autocorrect)

R517

PRINCESS DIANA was told to “keep your boobs out, lean back and look lovely” for photographers because “she couldn’t stop” the paparazzi from snapping her, the royal’s former personal trainer admits.

I think you’ve nailed it, R517. She’s already won the game, and no amount of hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing is going to change that. She simply doesn’t care.

Could not agree more, R517.

Her brand is in opposition to the BRF. The threads on here musing about why she did not understand what to do to fit in always seemed to miss the point to me.

If you have ever known people like her, you can always spot the games.

People tell you what their goals are with their behavior.

I think she will want to shed Harry when she jumps, but she will manipulate him into bailing so she can play the victim. Time will tell.

Those gushing over her could not be more obv PR yesterday, re-branding it as clever, should you be here or at Celebitchy or Mumsnet? This is a gay and lesbian board after all.

This show in honor of the 50th anniversary of Charles's investiture sounds interesting.

Exactly, R521, although it is all in her framing. Of course the winners of the long game will always be the BRF. They have taken steps to box her in a bit and have started a drip drip drip in the media. Harry is being revealed as quite different to his PR though all of this. Will be a mess to clean up his image when she is gone.

Yes, I’m forgetting the long game, R524. But I don’t think Markle has either the patience or attention span to think those moves through. And I want to be there for the checkmate!

Swipe for pictures of the lovely Liz attending a Sunday church service at Canongate Kirk in Edinburgh, this morning.

R526 - The pale blue is wonderful on the Queen. 93 - she looks unbelievably lovely for her age, and serene, professional, and unselfconscious all at the same time.

I'm not sure the long game will always go to the BRF, at least not in the way it has in the past. Social media and globalization are changing the game. Some Commonwealth citizens complain that royal visits smack of neocolonialism. The very public antics and excessive spending of the wayward Sussexes and rumours of their possible secondments in Africa are likely boosting support for those wishing to curtail royal spending, those leaning towards leaving the Commonwealth after the Queen dies and those calling for reform or abolition of the monarchy itself. Harry and Meghan seemingly can't be controlled and I fear they may well cause lasting damage. I don't understand why Charles hasn't cut their funding, unless he's certain the marriage will implode fairly quickly.

^abolish, not abolition.

R516 Yes I hope we see some amazing patterns and colors.

Certainly, in the long term, Meghan Markle will move on, get dull and middle-aged, no one will care any longer, the Cambridges will move up the food chain and in Britain at least, the Sussexes will become a minor footnote, especially if Meghan with or without Harry, bails. The BRF will survive Meghan the way it survived the Abdication, Margaret/Townsend/Tony, Diana, Fergie, and Charles's "spider memo" scandal (which should have been a much bigger one, in my view).

But that doesn't mean the optics of the Sussex debacle won't weaken, as R528 points out, the case for maintaining the institution at any cost. The BRF have still let it someone who is working for herself, not the institution, and for whom royalty was only a route celebrity. In that particular connection, Meghan's success in using the BRF to attain celebrity has further tarred the BRF itself with the taint of mere celebrity. For Meghan, mere celebrity is a triumph; for the BRF, it's a dangerous slide down, and if not stopped, will end by begging the obvious question: if they're only celebrities, why are we paying them and allowing first sons to inherit rich duchies and increase personal portfolios why the country's economy collapses around us?

The DM, by the way, having dutifully done its duty with gushing coverage of the upcoming christening and Meghan's appearance at the baseball game, below it has a large article on the huge copper bathtub they've ordered - at 5,000 quid.

You have to love the DM.

R509, I don't know if it's a money thing or something else, e.g. doing thing differently (more like celebs than like dull royals), being in control of the narrative (rather than ceding control to the highers ups) in order to maximize the baby's social media impact.

^*while the country's economy collapses around them

I agree that Meghan has already won the “game” on her own terms, and can’t really be stopped. I also think that yes, she and Harry are doing subtle damage to the public image and health of the monarchy.

The wild card is the relationship between the two of them. That’s what I’m keeping an eye on.

The gift that keeps on giving, lol.

R532 - I doubt it's money. Meghan is a clinical narcissist and along with that personality comes a nearly pathological impulse toward control and a large dollop of paranoia. Just as with the photocall after Archie's birth, with just a few invited photogs and a much more easily controlled environment, the private christening will allow Meghan to exert maximum control over the images that emerge. Not for her chance exposure eight hours after giving birth outdoors on the steps of the Lindo Wing for five minutes with the world's eyes on her and the hoi polloi eyeing her across the ropes and every pap and TV feed in Britain waiting outside - ditto the short walk to the christening.

It's all about control for her, which is why she's having trouble keeping nannies. I'd feel sorry for Harry if he hadn't proved himself such a bellend who richly deserves the fruits of his stupidity.

Everyone talking about Meghan establishing her "brand" for after the divorce. Who exactly is the audience for her "brand"? Sure, she has a hardcore faction of followers, but how exactly does she monetize that? If she goes the Goop route, her teenage fangirls aren't the market for that. They don't have the money to buy the high end brands and lifestyle she'd be pushing. Will the SJW crowd want to see her flaunting her luxury vacations and designer clothes? They excuse it now because she's supposedly a humanitarian, but can she maintain that humanitarian image without the RF arranging all of her "charity" work?

She will never have Kardashian level followers that she needs to make the kind of money via merching that she imagines she's worth and that she will need to finance her expensive tastes. With her expensive tastes she'll burn thru the divorce settlement in record speed and I imagine she'll have a new man to finance a good part of her lifestyle as she always uses men for their money but I just don't see the Meghan Markle "brand" being all that successful when she is a non-royal. People just don't like her. Angelina Jolie has already done that and she really hasn't won people over in the process.

R305 A lot of women say that it feels as if their hips are wider after they have had a baby. In actuality, their hips aren’t wider, the structure of their pelvic bone has changed.

During pregnancy and delivery, a lot of stress is placed on the pelvic bones. They stretch out to accommodate the growing baby, and to make it easier for the little one to pass through the birth canal during delivery. It's actually the ligaments that support the bones that stretch out. They weight of the baby, coupled with gravity, also play a part in changing the structure of the pelvic bones.

As a result of all of this strain and stress, the hips can feel and look wider, and those can be lasting changes.

A bigger belly is the most obvious physical change that a woman experiences during pregnancy. It doesn’t disappear right after birth, either. It can take several months for that bump to go away, as it takes time for the uterus to shrink back down to its original size. Many women, however, look like they are a few months pregnant even years after giving birth. Why do some ladies look perma-pregnant? There are two reasons why:

The uterus never actually shrinks back down to its original size and makes the belly protrude. The muscles of the abdomen (the rectus abdominis) stabilize the core and hold the internal organs in place. During pregnancy, these muscles can separate, causing a condition known as diastasis recti, which can result in a pooch, or a permanent “baby” bump.

Princess Diana herself never lost her big belly after giving birth to her 2 sons.

There are lots of old wives’ tales surrounding pregnancy, from signs that predict the sex of the baby, to stories that indicate when the baby will be born. Some old wives tales are weird, some are true, and some are both weird and true. A wider nose? – That one is weird and true.

Those dang pregnancy hormones can actually cause your nose to swell and change shape, making it appear wider. This change can actually stick around for several months, to several years, and in some cases, it can be permanent!

R522, I agree with how it will end--she'll continue doe-eyeing him in public, clinging to her prince, writing encomiums to the Duke on the Sussex IG. When he inevitably strays, she'll be out of there with her adoring public standing by their heartbroken princess.

R537, I think it has less to do with direct monetization, more to do with her overall image. Even if she were to soon divorce, she would presumably have ample assets to continue living the very good life. The branding positions her as an international celeb who can do whatever she wants. Being a royal, a humanitarian (lol), a friend of A-listers, a person with millions of social media followers sets her up for many more opportunities (media gigs, acting, book deals, partnerships with designers, whatever) and lots of luxury freebies.

I think she must be a nightmare to live with. The constant micromanaging...nagging non stop. Remember how the Queen stepped in and told her they don't talk to staff like the way she did? I bet she's doing that a million times worse at home, it's no wonder 3 nannies quit and the baby is only a few months old.

Poor Harry must be in shock, Meghan wasn't like this when they "lived" together. It was more like a long distance relationship. Now the veneer is off.

I bet he's back to fucking his ex. and confiding in her. He can't really talk to William because William did warn him about her.

Her brand could be destroyed if she leaves, by the same family whom she never had.

Every past incident they have covered for, during and pre-Harry could see the light.

What do they say...the truth can set you free.

R425 It could be due to nose contouring with make-up to make her nose seem slimmer and smaller by using highlights and shadows. Some POC especially Asians use this make-up technique to make their noses seem slimmer.

The Queen at her desk.

R543 Lol, Meghan can't apply bronzer properly and you think she's a contouring pro?

Exactly, r537. Her "brand" is going to crash and burn after she leaves the BRF as that is the only thing that garners her interest. She is not interesting in her own right. Her celebrity friends have probably now figured out that association with her will not grant them what they want, which is access to the real royal family members. It'll be slim pickings as far as wealthy men who want a 40+ grifter. What brand will want to be associated with a minor royal exwife-Weight Watchers? Nah, her future is not going to be what she presumes it will be.

R537 - I don't disagree with you fundamentally - I'm not predicting some huge success for Meghan as a "brand" if she cuts loose from the family and husband from whom the title springs. What I am saying is that successful or not outside the BRF, she has succeeded in laying the foundation for a brand separately from the BRF whilst in it. She has succeeded in persuading Harry that if he sticks with her and her plan, there's no reason why he shouldn't be on the same level as his brother the future King. She has succeeded in turning herself into an A-List celebrity.

Could that turn out not to be too successful if she cuts herself loose? Yes, absolutely. But she'll still come out of this with much more than she came in with. The BRF will have lost just that much more of its lustre - another scandal that left egg all over the escutcheon and made them look like fatuous idiots who can't control their descendants and what is worse, allowed the British taxpayer to foot the bill for the same's follies.

As for Charles doing something about it - he's Harry's father. He's no more capable of seeing past that than any other father, especially one saddled with a bit of guilt about how things turned out with Harry's mother. Harry was closer to his mother than William was, and more like her than William is. For Charles, it's probably an emotional minefield, and he's caught between a rock and a hard place in this regard. Archie is also his grandson.

It will be left to the Queen, who's done handling shit like this, and then to William, growing more imperial by the week.

As was said a couple of times on previous threads, on the off-chance that Charles predeceases the Queen, and William is suddenly one respiratory ailment from the Throne, only then will Meghan and Harry feel serious marginalisation and containment creeping toward them.

Financially, William as Prince of Wales (if the Queen is still with us) could stop splitting the cost of Sara Latham's huge salary with the Queen; if King, he could stop her salary altogether, and tell Harry to pay for Latham himself; he could as Prince of Wales stop or greatly reduce those juicy supplements from the Duchy of Cornwall; ditto from the Duchy of Lancaster if he's King; could limit their UK patronages which would limit how much they could claim from the Sovereign Grant; and as the aristos would coalesce around the new Supreme Couple, the Sussexes would be ever more affiliated with their celebrity pals and out of the levels of society that Harry grew up with.

The upshot would be that Harry would be forced to pay for just about everything from his trust fund - I assume Charles would leave him a second one, so Harry's income would increase, but he doesn't want really to pay for so much out of his income. He wants to buy expensive cars his wife expects expensive clothes, ge wants to send his kid(s) to good schools, play polo, take expensive glamping hols. in exotic places . . . you don't want to do all that on your own money in those circles. The end result the new Waleses/King-Queen would be hoping for is to make life so uncomfortable for the Sussexes that they finally leave of their own accord.

But if Charles gets to the throne and makes it through 15 years or so, even as Prince of Wales there won't be much William can do about them and the Sussexes will get through all right to boring middle-age and the edges will have softened all around.

[quote]That's why they didn't do Lindo Wing, Meg didn't want unflattering pics, specially compared to the each time glorious post-partum Kate.

I'm not much for theories on here but that was strikes me as spot on, in retrospect. She knew what her fat ass looked like.

I also agree her brand is worthless outside the RF... she was nobody before but someone with a clicking, calculating brain to support a wrong side of the tracks ambition. By the time she bolts she's just looking for somebody with more money. She'll largely disappear.

R543 - she had her nose done. It's a completely different shape at the tip. Get over it.

[quote]She has succeeded in turning herself into an A-List celebrity.

Yes, but only because of who she is married too. When she's not married to him, she becomes a publicity freak show. Media will care only about her fuck ups, not her "good works." There's real royalty for that.

[quote]The BRF will have lost just that much more of its lustre

Agree you've identified a risk, but not the certainty. Once she's out, her true story will emerge courtesy the witnesses. She's going to be confirmed as a real bitch.

yes, she had a nose job. But that was a long time ago.

The after photo below is what contouring to reduce the appearance of the already-revised nose’s width looks like. The difference in space between the tip of her nose and top of her lip can’t be faked.

She had virtually no visible philtrum in her earlier photos, and now she has a lot. It can be seen in photos of her mouth in various positions, so it isn’t just that she’s smiling differently.

Perhaps Meghan will dig in her heels and stick around for as long as possible.

Fergie at the Royal School awards ceremony.

I respectfully disagree with those who say that Meghan has won already and has gotten what she came for. She got *some* of it.

It’s never enough for people like her. She’ll never sit back and enjoy what she has. She will always be hustling for more more more. She’s a bottomless pit of need.

And she had a very subtle nose job.

Not sure if you guys heard what Harry said while he was in Yankee's locker room, Harry said he preferred the Yankees jersey (for archie) and that archie will definitely wear it if yankees win. (according to ESPN).

R555 - I don't disagree. But even the amount she got is much more than she came in with.

The amount the BRF got out of it is nil.

She's gonna milk it for what's it's worth, she's not fucking off after a year or two. She probably has a 5 year plan, 10 year plan etc etc.

One could argue the BRF got boatloads of new “fans.”

But they don't want fans. That view is Megantointte's blind spot.

Camilla looks good in this photo.

Camilla likes Van Cleef and Arpels jewelry.

Charles and Camilla in 2005.

Question, isn’t it super hot in Europe right now? Why is the queen wearing coatdresses and gloves?

R564 They do look right together in a way that Charles and Diana never did.

I think she bolts sooner rather than later. She sees the BRF holding her back, she can't be the full out SJW she wants to be and speak out as freely as she wants. And she (rightly) thinks the British press wouldn't be so nasty and she wouldn't be under so much scrutiny for her spending etc. if she wasn't a royal. She also is deluded enough to believe she is important and interesting enough that she doesn't need them anymore. She thinks being a celeb is being better than a royal and she thinks she can maintain her celeb status without them. So what is her incentive to stay?

[quote]And she (rightly) thinks the British press wouldn't be so nasty and she wouldn't be under so much scrutiny for her spending etc. if she wasn't a royal.

Well, she's half right... but I don't think divorce is going to cure the British press. They still put the boot in on Fergie from time to time and at the beginning she was at least likeable.

R566 I always thought that as well, Charles looks strained and uncomfortable in pics with Diana like he knows he doesn't belong there and is counting the seconds until he can make his escape. He respects Camilla, he never respected Diana.

I agree that Meghan is planning to make serious hay from being the former Duchess of Sussex. She's going to build a brand on being the free-spirited American woman who couldn't be hammered into shape by the BRF--you're already seeing the outlines of the plan in no title for her kid, no public christening, refusing to meet Trump, etc. This may not have been her original plan, but once she saw she'd never compete with Kate in the titles, tiaras, and property department, this became the goal. She'll dine out for years on how she TRIED to modernize this musty institution, but they wouldn't listen because of their RACISM and MISOGYNY. What choice did she have but to take herself and her children back to AMERICA, where they understand the importance of HARD WORK and PERSONAL CHOICE.

She'll give up the title in the divorce proceedings, because I don't think she cares so much about being Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. She wants to be MEGHAN, the new Oprah. Duchess Meghan doesn't work for that, but rejecting Duchess Meghan? I can only imagine the Vanity Fair profile now. "Meghan Markle: The Woman Who Rejected a Title to Embrace Her True Identity."

Which means she'll also reject Harry, unless he renounces his title and just become plain Harry Windsor. I don't think even he is stupid enough to do that.

I'm still waiting for the juicy bits about the Sussexes going through 3 nannies in less than 2 months. I also call bullshit on the excuse I see some Meghan fans make for her, that different nannies are due to the baby's changing needs or that they had trouble finding a good fit for Archie, etc.... Bullshit, an infant's needs are the same night and day at this stage of development. As far as finding a good fit, it's probably more like finding a mute toady who'll kow tow in servitude whenever Miss-Mentions-Herself-In-Third-Person comes into the room.

I think Nannygate is a story that has legs, because it's one which doesn't involve other members of the BRF, it's all on these two entitled narcissists. There's no other perceived, competing parties to blame for missteps. Also, it follows an entrenched narrative of the Sussexes as spoiled brats who behave privately in ways that run contrary to their self-honed humanitarianism.

She will always have to answer the question, though, why did she join the RF in the first place when it went against everything she stood for?

She can't say it was for love. She wasn't a nineteen year old Diana.

Plus, if she married the first time for love, what happened there?

When Nick Cannon and Mariah Carey divorced, I read that one of his reasons for ending the marriage was that Mariah Carey had a policy of firing the nannies every six months so that their children would not get too attached. Mariah was too jealous to let her babies get securely attached to their caregiver, even though developmentally speaking that is what was best for them.

Once the marriage ended, the kids got to keep their nannies because there’s no way that firing the nannies every six months would be allowed by a Family Court judge.

I’m not sure that someone who is too insecure to allow their baby to bond with their caregiver is capable of being a good parent and putting the child’s needs first.

The nanny issue is interesting. They must come from top-notch agencies. At some point, wouldn't the agencies refuse to send another candidate to their house?

Archie doesn't have a chance. He's going to be a mess like the Jolie kids.

Meghan is a know it all control freak, I can see her fighting with the nanny over Archie's sleep pattern or poop color.

Lol, no way she could stand someone like nanny Maria.

Agree with all R570 said. I'd add that she her post BRF life will feature plentiful anecdotes about her time there--the fun she and the Queen had, how Charles saw her as the daughter he never had, how she modernized social media for the royals, the time she was able to help Kate out with a gift idea, etc etc.

R565, because she's the Queen of England, 83 years old, and of a generation for whom gloves, hats, and coatdresses are the uniform for public appearances?

R562 - That is definitely one of the most flattering photos of the senior Camilla ever.

I'm sure the nannies are all elderly women coz she's too smart to hire young fuckable women who will have access to Harry. The old ladies aren't gonna put up with the BS Meghan dishes out..."I asked you to put a blue shirt on archie, but not shade of blue. Put him in a dark blue shirt. " 5 min later..."I don't like the way he looks in dark blue, put him in a white onesie."

Part 82 is up now but please post on this one so it fills up to 600 or so. Thanks.

Reason why Nannygate is potentially disastrous for the Sussexes is that there's no Kate, William, the press, racism, etc... to lay false blame. It goes at the heart of how they as entitled twats, who are graced by the public with wealth and stature, mistreat the very citizens who help fund their lifestyle. A sure way to lose American fans has nothing to do with what a bitch Meghan is to BRF members, her own father, or thirsty climbing ways. Rather, the downfall will come when stories come out about them being assholes to "regular" people. There aren't many things Americans hate more than entitled snobs who shit on working people who are just trying to do their jobs and earning their living.

You also have to question the emotional intelligence of a 38-year-old woman who is told by the public, the press, and maybe even the BRF, that many of the things she's doing are transparently grotesque and insulting to the British populace.

A video of Harry and Meghan arriving in the seats to watch the baseball game. He practically ignores her the whole time except at the end.

A couple of photos of Kate at past Wimbledons.

Photos of last year's Wimbledon with Kate dressed appropriately and Meghan wearing pants that are too long and carrying a hat she can't put on. Notice the Dangling Tendrils.

How Mookie Betts and Meghan Markle are distant relatives. The key word is "distant".

The two Duchesses at last year's Wimbledon.

The video is interesting because at one point Meghan actually turns to Harry and leans toward him to say something to him and he completely ignored her and she goes back to smiling and brushing her hair aside.

I'm interested in why the nannygate story hasn't been played up more. I wonder if the tabs have tried to get the ex-nannies to talk but haven't been successful due to those NDAs and they haven't (yet) got enough to go on.

Little Beatrice giving the late Queen Mum a kiss on the cheek.

Remember the tide really started to turn on Fergie when she went away on holiday and left baby Bea at home. So I wonder if all of this "privacy" she wants for Archie is because she knows that's she not maternal and doesn't want to make a mistake with him in public that the press can use to really rip her apart. She can survive a lot of things but overcoming being called a bad mother would be pretty tough. So her safest bet is to say she wants him to be raised privately so there aren't that many opportunities to critique her mothering ability. It'll be interesting to see how much he is seen on their tour.

I'm sure it's not but it looks like the Queen received a voodoo doll as a gift.

Margaret, the Queen Mum and the Queen fooling around in Scotland.

A wet day at the horse trials.

The Duke and Duchess of Kent (George and Marina) with their two oldest children, Edward and Alexandra. Only Prince Michael is missing.

Kate was snapped pushing a carriage in the park.

Young Lady Diana Spencer is packed and off to boarding school. She looks thrilled, doesn't she? Poor kid.

Meghan is experiencing the dilemma that rich bitches face, that of finding good help who's willing to work for scraps. She wants Mary Poppins with an inane woke personality not unlike new bestie Serena Williams. Oh but how to attract the sort when you're only willing to pay them scullery maid's wages.

The Queen resembles her father King George VI and he resembled his mother Queen Mary. Swipe for Elizabeth vs. Mary. It becomes more uncanny as the Queen ages.

R596 - Many upper class British couples recruit from Norland (the nanny school in Bath, England). The Cambridges's Spanish nanny Maria was trained there. Other ways are nanny employment agencies, placing an ad and word-of-mouth. Sometimes a nanny is recommended by friends who have children going off to school they no longer require a full-time nanny anymore.

Being a nanny takes special skills.

Royal Nannies - Past and Present.

The nannies were innocently eating Meghan’s pie so they had to go.

My god, getting a sweat on watching Kylie's dancers at Glastonbury on TV, lmao, anyway back to the subject in question. I'm cringing.....

Woah, save it for the next thread as we are closing here.