Democratic Debates, Round 2

Aaaaaand......

Is Marianne Williamson going to be on tonight?

Left to right:

Marianne Williamson

John Hickenlooper

Andrew Yang

Pete Buttigieg

Joe Biden

Bernie Sanders

Kamala Harris

Kirsten Gillibrand

Michael Bennet

Eric Swalwell

Useful page on 538 for keeping track of the latest 2020 Democratic Primary Polls by category/state:

Image of the candidates in their respective positions:

Who "won" the first debate? (Really, just "post-debate reactions").

New piece from 538 on the uphill battle for Gillibrand:

[quote]Gillibrand is currently polling at a dismal 0.5 percent average in polls. *Something* hasn’t clicked. (It might be that Gillibrand’s attempt to mix her activist instincts with a moderate’s pragmatism is too odd a pairing for today’s Democratic Party.)

I'd like to hear some severe Trump bashing tonight from the Dems. Give the majority of the American people what they want.

The Guardian live blogging link.

The television ratings for the first debate were not bad at all, particularly good considering that Warren was the only heavy hitter in that debate.

[quote]The presidential primary debate season got off to a strong start on Wednesday as 15.3 million viewers watched the first round of contenders for the Democratic nomination face off on NBC, MSNBC and Telemundo.

[quote]The audience total across the three networks is just below the 15.5 million who watched the 2016 Democratic candidates debate on CNN on Oct. 13, 2015.

[quote]But the 15.3-million figure tallied by Nielsen for the premiere 2020 event, held in Miami, is higher than any of the primary debates held before the 2016 campaign cycle.

My predictions for tonight.

Biden and Sanders will go at it, and will both emerge as ancient. Bennett and Hickenlooper will kneecap Sanders for being a communist. Harris will be regal. Giilbrand will struggle to be noticed. Yang will give everyone a car. Swalwell will remind everyone he's on many important committees. Someone will kneecap Buttigieg ( I think they'll have to draw staws). Marianne Williamson will channel Ramtha, and will sage the stage before flying away.

Trolls targeted the online polls following the first debate.

Drinking game: every time Harris wants "a conversation" about an issue.

From the 538 link at R6:

[quote]Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker and Julián Castro got the highest scores for their debate performance on night one. Meanwhile, voters didn’t think Beto O’Rourke had a bad night, exactly, but his grades were underwhelming relative to his favorable ratings going into the debate.

Can we just talk about Williamson? Isn't she that new agey guru? (Not against it if it works for you)

[quote]And after night one, Warren was the big winner, jumping from 12 percent to 18 percent support.

[quote]And Castro, Booker and Warren, the big winners with viewers in terms of their debate performances, also got the biggest boosts in their net favorable ratings among the night-one debaters.

I hope there's not as much out right pandering as there was yesterday.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, that does for those individuals longer-term. Will Castro and Booker make it into the second tier?

Count on it, R18. They need Democratic votes. The old truism mostly still holds true: run left in the primary and center in the election.

Whet Lincoln Chafee?

Out to pasture, I assume, R21. His 2016 run flopped pretty badly. He thought about running for Senate but then changed his mind. As far as I know, he's left politics.

R19, 538 says that Castro picked up the largest percentage of new Twitter followers last night:

just want to say YAY for poll Troll!

Will they argue? Just kill Trump, that is all I want to see.

r25 It's kinda infuriating, isn't it?

Ucch Chris Matthew is kind of a moron, no?

Most searched candidates before Debate 1:

What do you mean by Muriel and the gates, R25?

Mot searched candidates during Debate 1:

The dreaded prime time

Will Mayor Pete regal us in the seven languages he speaks?

I’m ready.

I liked Tulsi last night.

r30 Primetime, which pretty much kills this thread dead. It's been in effect twice today for several hours. It's the new normal, I think.

[QUOTE]I’m ready.

Just pay the lousy $2.

Pete looks so small in height when measured up to Biden and Bernie

I kind of like Mike Bennett. He's smart and funny and soft spoken

Yang Gang

I'm looking forward to hearing from Andrew Yang.

The middle moderator chick's hair looks greasy and limp.

And they're off!

r38 Credit cards aren't as ubiquitous elsewhere in the world as they are in the US. Especially those for international payments.

Anyway, back to the debate...

Bernie's already pointing and scolding

YUMAN RIGHT!

I do, too, r40.

And I can't see how ying Yang made it so close to the center.

Pete should have lifts in his shoes, or be wearing 👠

Bernie out of the box fumbles.

Biden brings up Trump in first sentence

She's nailing Biden right out the gate!

Who can tell me about Bennet? What's he about?

Biden gets his dad into his second sentence.

I like Bennet too

Biden isn't answering her fucking question, is he?!

Biden and Harris swinging at Trump!

Kamala is good. Very good.

Love Kamala, too.

Harris is killing it, holy shit.

Harris ain’t fucking around.

Biden's response was kind of meh to me.

the candidates tonight heard the criticism that last night's group didn't pay enough attention to Trump so they're going to

Kamala is a star

Harris is in this thing

Great answer by Kamala!!

Chickenlooper!!

Hickenlooper omfg fix those yellow ass teeth

r62 I think you might be right.

Why go to Sanders again?

Sanders calling Trump a phony yes!

and no I'm no Bernie Bro. I'm just HERE for any Trump attacks

At least Bernie brushed his hair 🤷🏼‍♂️

GET IT!

I like Gillibrand's earrings

Gildabrand got something in her eyes?

Not bad Gillibrand

Gillibrand is HANGRY because she's polling at 0,5%.

Gillibrand is worse than my low expectation of her.

The real issue R73

Kirsten G., future sec. housing and urban development.

Gilibrand looks good tonight - She put on some more makeup

Ask Marianne!

Give me more Kamala.

Now.

Bryan Cranston IS Michael Bennett

Bennett with his middle American accent would appeal to some working white class

haha a lot of interjections

Pete with the Spanish!

Pete is about five beers away from having a personality

Buttigieg and Pence have very similar voices. It's not just their accents

This debate is not "Joe Biden vs. Bernie Sanders" as the OP said.

Problems with my streaming. THE RUSSIANS!

Yang forgot to wear a tie.

Michael Bennet kinda turns me on.

I've seen some of his interviews, and he's done a good job.

He's this tightly coiled alpha dawg who's also a total bleeding-heart liberal.

Universidad no bueno

I wish someone would call Trump a raving lunatic.

I love Kamala

Gillibrand is a SHREW!

ooh Swalwell threw down the AGE GAUNTLET

I like this group; they're all "fuck the moderators!"

Let Marianne speak!!!

Yang has a weird mouth

Yang coming for Amazon

I wonder how Bezos feels about him

He's addressing automation.

everybody Yang chung tonight

This is the Pete Yang show.

Not an upper lip to be found between any of the 20 candidates. Or moderators.

Yang sounds like a computer. So boring

Dataloungers don't generally like verbs like "automate" I don't think.

I know that, R88, and everyone else does, too. I was just calling out the names at the top of the ticket, the ones that people will be watching pretty closely to see if they maintain their front-runner status.

The audience won't understand Yang's calculations...

$1000.00 a month for everyone, how realistic!

Gaudy orange tie omg

Andrew Yang is pure charisma!

Swalwell is going after Biden.

Yang’s plan would lead to rabid inflation.

Swalwell CUNTS OFF on Uncle Joe Biden!

ooh Swalwell going after Biden and the age thing again

I like it

i'm a millennial

Ask Marianne

Oooh Swalliwell going after Biden

Swalwell coming after the old ones HARD.

Oooh! Salwell just bitch slapped Biden!

Swalwell belongs on the cover of Harlequin Romance: Cowboy Dreams.

Coming for old Joe, lol.

I love the orange tie!

Eric Salwell is so hot

A dig about age

FREE MARIANNE!

Biden's upper plate looks like my PIANO KEYS!

Dizamn! Swalwell came for Biden! Pass the torch, you said it yourself 30 years ago!

well Swalwell is right. Those old fucks in Congress need to go

the repubs much more so but a lot of the moderate Dems too

Biden will NOT address the age issue at all.

Let Marianne speak!!!

Gloves off!

The torch meme comes from JF Kennedy.

Swalwell has his viral moment with attacking the Silent Gen lol love it

Moderators wake up!

Biden’s makeup is amazing

Bernie shouting the loudest so he gets to speak.

Kamala rising above brilliant

Harris just won the night

Yes, Kamala!

And Kamala BITCH-SLAPS the whole field!!!

Kamala Harris is putting food on the table!

Tell it Kamala! She is kickin ass tonight.

Kamala with a zinger!

I am not a fan of Harris, but she did absolutely totally slay with that remark.

Let Marianne speak!!!

how can you not love Kamala

she's got to be on the ticket either Presidential or VP

My God, Kamala is good.

Somebody please stick a SOCK in Gillibrand's pie hole! I can't stand her.

Kamala has brought home the bacon!

Kamala is a spitfire, I like her a lot.

20 min no Marianne

I want to hear her spacey ass

OH SHIT KAMALA!

Bitch is winning this!

I see our "they have no top lips!!" Commentator is back tonight.

BOOM! Kamala got this!

Kamala!

Biden - Harris 2020

Kamala killin' it!

MARIANNE!!!

MARIANNE!

LESTER, LET MARIANNE SPEAK!

THIS IS MY TURN!

Fucking GIllibrand.

Kirsten Gillibrand is such a phony

I find Kamala HOT and SPICY -- just like my rulings!

Kirsten isn't exciting

"It's my turn! Mine!"

everyone has spoken except Marianne. Some of them at least 4 times

Gillibrand is annoying and constantly interrupting. Thank God, for Kamala.

I like Kirsten. I heard her speak months ago on The View and I was impressed. She's a smart lady but she's being overshadowed by flash-in-the-pan candidates like Buttigieg.

Let Marianne speak!!!

Pence has to be gay. Pete sounds so much like him. Masc gay voice

[quote]Gillibrand is annoying and constantly interrupting.

Desperation

GIllibrand is the Meghan McCain of this debate.

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I wonder if Buttigieg and Swalwell will clash.

Biden bringing up the death card!

Obama reference #1 from Joey

r167 - isn't that just an Indiana accent?

Let Marianne speak!!!

I hold a grudge against Gillibrand for dooming Franken's career. That photo of him and the military woman was just a childish joke.

Swordfight, R170?

One of the other candidates should tell the moderators to ask Marianne a question, Double points if it's a male

Marianne...........

the mods aren't being fair to Marianne lol I know no one takes her seriously but she out polled a few elected people

Point that finger Bernie!

R173 it's the accent but also their tone. They sound related.

Someone said Canada!!

Bernie ready to pop a vein

SHRIIEEEEEK!

Bernie isn't answering ANYTHING

Bernie looks insane

Let Marianne speak!!!

26 min finally Marianne

My sweetie Petie sounds wonderful as always, but the lighting is not favoring him. He looks kind of unshaven, esp his upper lip.

I feel the same way as R175. She needs to go away.

She speaks!!!!!!!!

SHE'S SPEAKING!

Can Bernie speak in anything other than platitudes?

Who the hell is Mariann Williamson?

Why does Marianne look and sound like she was born a man?

Kristen Gillebrand is cunting the stage up

"...these superficial fixes, as important as they are..."

as expected Marianne going in another direction lol

Nutcase.

Marianne Williamson doesn't make sense.

Marianne spoke. Now she can shut up.

LET MARIANNE SHUT UP!

I’m not watching but I’m glad you bitches are. Glad you like Kamala — she’s my choice but I’m totally ready to support Biden because he is Trumpkiller Prime.

I wish Marianne would have done a Steve Nicks twirl and started singing Gold Dust Woman

Sweet baby jeebus - she's a loon.

I've had sufficient.

"Who the hell is Mariann Williamson? "

She is God's messenger.

omg Bennett his eyebrows are like big fat caterpillars

Oh no, Bennet.

Too .Much. Information

LOL!, r202

doctah!

Bennett needs a tweezer for those uneven brows

Ah, Bernie.....if only it were true that millions would rise up to squash the insurance companies! I had to retire early because working for Aetna was the most hideously horrible job of my forty years as a nurse.

Let Marianne speak!!! Again!

[quote]And Kamala BITCH-SLAPS the whole field!!!

She would EASILY bitch slap Trump as well.

"my kid had her appendectomy out"

Bennett sounds like Cameron's impression of Mr. Peterson from Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Bernadette Peters to play Marianne in the biopic.

This has got to settle down. These guys are just trying to beat the performances of last night.

So tired of them constantly putting Bernie to respond.

Did anyone else catch the 'WTF?!' look on Yang's face while Marianne was pontificating, lol.

You can see why Kamala was a great attorney. She has laser-like focus and clarity. She doesn't use a lot of empty words. She always has a purpose

Wait a minute. Medicare for all won't pay for my facelift?

Kamala is being tough.

Swalwell is clearly inspired by the boost Castro got last night. He's looking for the same. Very aggressive

This really is a giant family food fight, with the great uncles ready for the old folks home, the bitchy mom, the WACKO aunt, etc

Marianne Williamson officiated at the wedding of Elizabeth Taylor to Larry Fortensky which took place at Michael Jackson's Neverland estate.

Swawlell has no game

I guess Williamson is the Dennis Kucinich of this cycle.

GO KAMALA GO

Yes, r219, lol

If they mention another candidate by name, that person gets to speak.

r219 - SO MUCH SIDEYE.

Classic.

Go PETE!

Who's coughing?

R225 wow she must be older than she looks

Kamala is walking away with this

Can’t stop laughing imagining Bernadette Peters playing Marianne

Pete's doing fine now but when criminal justice is brought up he's fucked

Pete provides a calm, unflappable presence.

Biden is controlled so far.

The audio guy, I'm assuming there'a a new one on duty tonight, should cut their mics if they don't shut up when it's not their turn.

If you’re gonna cough, get out!

R236 Honey you must be ancient. People today don't know who the fuck Bernadette is.

Savannah with the stringy hair! Trying to sabotage Biden - his hand was up, stupid!

better not be any more blackouts tonight lol it happened like 4 times yesterday plus the screw up when they changed moderators

I'm just glad Willie Geist wasn't called in to moderate

Let Marianne speak!!! Again!

r242 Age-shaming on DL. Stay classy.

Is it me, or is Joe kind of underperforming?

[quote] Bernadette Peters to play Marianne in the biopic.

Margot Kidder IS Marianne Williamson!

I just hope Hulu doesn't crap out again.

Williamson is an utter loon.

Gilibrand needs to stop interrupting - She’s coming off as harsh and desperate

I think we heard enough from Marianne.

r241 You bitch, that just made me ugly snort.

Last night was better

R242 I’m 33, lol! I was raised on Annie like any fortunate child

I've long been a fan of Savannah Guthrie, but she's out of her depth here, doing a weak job.

And Lester Holt is just scooting along on autopilot as usual. He's an anchorman Roomba.

I wish anchorspouses Joe and Mika were moderating.

They have GOT to get better control of this. I'm not following anything

lol, r246

R250 Get YouTube TV their Live TV has been seamless

I want to slap Gillibrand. She's rude and obnoxious.

Williamson isn't even a college graduate

I think that this debate will lose audiences. I'm about to turn it off myself

Queen Kamala has come to slay LOVE HER

Kamala using the coyote buzz word. Smart!

Harris has a trembly voice that makes her come across as sincere all the time.

Oh I like these better than last night - they're feisty!

Get it Kamala!

Kamala coming for Trump YES Qjueen

Warren must be so happy she was not in this group

this is a free-for-all but entertaining as hell

Let Marianne speak!!! Again!

Marianne snubbed!

Kamala has great, elegant hand motions. Manicure goals.

Gillibrand is obnoxious. Biden's latest face lift is pulling his ears off and his teeth are SO BIG. Love Harris and Bernie is doing well being Bernie. Biden/Harris looks like a great ticket, she's young enough to replace his addled ass. I'm a Warren/Castro fan myself.

Pete, as expected is processed cheese.

Marianne wants to SPEAK!

MArianne thought it was her turn, lol!

Kampala is winning me over.

Hickenlooper makes Beto look smooth

smart of Hickenlooper to call child separation kidnapping

Kamala has a perfectly modulated tone: Unassailable hardass but borderline-tearful about injustice.

No wonder she was such a successful prosecutor.

Kamala is better than anyone on the stage tonight or last night, including Warren, who was excellent.

Marianne speaks to our emotions

My candidacy is in no way an effort to plug my newest book, available on Amazon and in the lobby where I will be signing copies.

I wish Marianne would offer a moment of silence for Liz, Larry and Michael Jackson, as they're all dead now.

Marianne Wilson should stick to Barnes and Noble signings.

[quote] Pete, as expected is processed cheese.

Because he's not gesticulating and sounding bombastic?

Kamala is the star tonight - Biden and Harris would be an amazing and compelling ticket!

Marianne is fucking 66? OMFG she looks amazing for a 66 year old white woman damn

[quote]Oh I like these better than last night - they're feisty!

The death of America! You're more concerned about being entertained rather than substance.

Gillibrand also targeting Trump good move

Gillibrand is the Klobuchar of night 2, snoozefest

Pete's getting SHORTCHANGED!!

That was surprisingly cogent.

[quote]Kamala is the star tonight - Biden and Harris would be an amazing and compelling ticket!

Yes, Biden would be great as her VP!

[quote]Marianne is fucking 66? OMFG she looks amazing for a 66 year old white woman damn

You can afford the best plasto surgery when you've been bilking desperate AIDS and cancer patients for more than 30 years!

Gillibrand seems so fucking satisfied with herself all the damn time.

Gillibrand is the very essence of "Let me speak to the manager!"

Pete swooping in smartly

Swalwell gets ignored.

Does raising your hand help?

Gillibrand is Meghan McCain on Atkins.

Shut up r289. You don’t think Dump is 1,000 times worse than what you’re watching?

Gillibrand screams stereotypical white girl voice.

Taylor Swift in 20 years

Pete calls out Christian Republican hypocrites -- thank you, Pete!! Substance over style

Go Pete!

Go Pete!

Pete preaching at evangelicals ha ha! Love it

I still think Harris would scare off general election voters.

Yaas Father Pete!

Gillibrand's keto breath is lethal

Kamala is not going to get the nomination. You queens need to cam down.

any female candidate will scare off the misogynistic portion of Americans. oh fucking well. Kamala is amazing

Pete's "processed cheese" is tasty tonight.

I would love to see Harris debate Trump

Biden should really be in the underwhelmed thread

Biden - "Time to pass the torch"

Kamala - "Food fight to food on the table"

Gillibrand - Shrill and screeching for attention. Was she calling for Marianne to speak?

Hickenlooper - appears out of the loop

Bernie - living up to his agitation reputation

Bennett - surprisingly steady in presentation

Yang - interesting plan; yet is America ready for another businessman to become USA, inc.?

Peter - logical, articulate, intellectual. Dry. Could use Beto's impassioned responses. And Beto could use his pragmatism.

Williamson - has her finger on the pulse of what's really going on, but for the USA, her responses go deeper than most politicians - and most Americans - can address or comprehend.

Yesterday Trump was hardly mentioned.

Today he is front and center... and tweeting about it.

[quote]Shut up [R289]. You don’t think Dump is 1,000 times worse than what you’re watching?

Don't get upset when the truth is spoken!

Oddly, Biden tonight is reminding me of villain Mr. Freeze on the 1960s "Batman" TV series.

Did Biden actually answer the question?

Biden avoiding the question

Joe seems sharp and vital tonight. Very presidential.

does Sanders have a bit of a hunch back? or he just leans weirdly?

I have trouble disassociating the real Bernie Sanders from the Larry David impression of him.

Let Yang speak!

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump

All Democrats just raised their hands for giving millions of illegal aliens unlimited healthcare. How about taking care of American Citizens first!? That’s the end of that race!

Biden is looking old. The Botox isn’t helping.

Buttigieg looks so cute

I think Biden is very good here regarding immigration, he was the first who talked about fixing the root causes of the immigration.

people who don't watch the news closely every day are wondering who the hell Swalwell is. He's really getting in there

I wish Swalwell would haul out that trouser python of his and bang it on the podium.

"Let me SPEAK!"

A lot of old people stoop over. Sadly Bernie's on the margin of being too old, if not over the line

R323 He always looks slouched

Swallwell has mannequin face

R320 He gave a good response. If they've committed a serious crime then yes, they should be deported.

Beto-Swallwell fan fics?

yeah Trump tweets that but he wants to take away ACA from everyone

[Quote] How about taking care of American Citizens first!?

Trump doesn’t take care of American citizens with regards to healthcare

Rashida Jones could play her younger sister

Biden's doing OK. Agree with 322 - he's showing gravitas and experience. And not AGE. At least not yet.

Bernie is essentially the old guy in the balcony on the Muppets.

R327 Yuck! Pete looks like the dude who was always on the cover of Mad magazine.

Sanders and Biden are leading the speaking time.

Kamala hitting all the right notes so far

Bernie, no matter how appealing his policies, still comes across as very "old man yells at cloud."

oh I like this question

Bernadette is calling up her salon as we speak. She’s one Brazilian Blowout away from the role of Marianne.

Crazytown tonight.

Gillibrand looks like Tipper Gore. Go Tipper, get rid of those nasty rap lyrics!

Pete looks like he works in the vinyl record store. Oh, he's such a boring geek.

Kamala is so killing it.

She's making the most out of every sentence she speaks.

Yang hasn't spoken for a while now. Marianne has gotten more involved

Bennet is a dullard. Makes Pence look exciting.

Kamala is OWNING this tonight.

And yes, if Biden is the nominee... he will be asking her to be his running mate.

I really hope she’s the candidate though.

I'm sorry, but I feel that most Americans who are not liberal Democrats do approve of departing people who are here without papers.

Biden and Harris would make a good pair. She's shows strength.

Biden is lost. There's no reason Biden is in this race.

The ticket will be Biden/Harris

No way the Dems would dare put up a black female as the presidential candidate. Dems need the black vote however will get it with her in the VP slot.

The big problem is she brings CA, which is Dem already

Bennett has such an 80s accent lol

The biggest problem, which is not really a problem, is that voters aren't really seeing a lot of difference between the responses. It's good that everyone is on the same page. Differences are shades of gray

Now it comes down to personality.

Lester Holt is such a smoothie, unlike that stringy headed Savannah and that Telemundo guy.

Yang speaks!

I'm glad this debate night has taken place because it's helping to weed out some of the nonsensical candidates from last night like Beto and Gabbard.

Biden is the only one deplorables might vote for

Was that language necessary?

Harris has zero interest in serving with Biden.

[quote] I'm sorry, but I feel that most Americans who are not liberal Democrats do approve of departing people who are here without papers.

A lot of people who agree with this are people--immigrants--- who did it the hard legal way.

Bennet sounds drunk.

Whoa, language.

Malfeasance!

How much does Gillibrand hate Harris? She is stealing her moment!!! “Give me back my Barbie!!! Mine!!! Mine!!!”

I wonder how China will respond to being called out on both nights of these debates

Pete knows his shit.

Pete's shave job makes him look like he has a runny nose.

I didn't realize Bennet was Jewish.

And Pete is a superstar.

Let Marianne speak!!! Again!

Is like to see the Warren, Biden, Harris, Pete debate

The black Kamala queen on here is the only one posting about Kamala. He’s on multiple browsers.

if Pete got his nasolabial folds filled he'd look better

he's doing well so far

I wonder if they left Pete a 5 o'clock shadow in order to seem older.

Chuck Todd will get this pie fight back on track, I'm sure.

Chuck Todd's first question tonight will be: What do you think President Trump's nickname for you will be?

Pete's China answer was absolute perfection from start to finish. Holy shit.

I’d be happy to pick the ticket out of a hat of Warren, Harris, and Mayor Pete.

Spikes in searches for candidates:

Swalwell +3,400%

Gillibrand +3,100%

Williamson +2,800%

Hickenlooper +2,100%

Yang +1,000%

Harris +900%

Buttigieg +900%

Biden +850%

Bennet +400%

Sanders +350%

The biggest threat to the industrial world is not China, its Trump.

Yang's like, "Fuck it".

Nearly everyone else already accepts most of Bernie’s positions and are decades younger—-so he no longer has a point in this race

Donnie D-Cups and his massive moobs weigh in:

Buttigieg is so out of his element here. He should be running for Governor not President. He's just a mayor. If he wasn't gay none of you would be considering him a serious candidate.

Pete speaks calmly, confidently, with knowledge, and gets the applause -- without resorting to sounding like he's trying to amp up a high school pep rally.

Kamala is doing really well. Pete is fine but not the star so far. He is doing well on the trade issue. Bernie is double speaking and not really answering. And Biden is trying but he's just not up to this. He's just not.

So far. It's Kamala and Pete.

I didn't even want to hear this shit, but turned up the volume when I saw how passionate Kamala Harris was about what she was saying.

Biden/Buttigieg would make a good ticket.

"He's like the son I lost - Beau, the good one, not that fuckup Hunter!"

This break segment on the electoral college might have been interesting the first time round, but now it's just repetitive

[quote] Biden is lost. There's no reason Biden is in this race.

I get nervous that he's gonna lose the script sometimes - a bit of panic starts to appear in his eyes. He's doing ok so far, but I wonder how a long campaign is gonna wear on him.

Sanders seems healthier, physically and mentally. Warren is fine, except for possibly a weak voice that might go hoarse too easily - haven't seen that yet though, but she looks healthy as a horse.

Pie? No one told me there’d be pie!

Swallwell search bump = gays and fraus going "he may be hotter than Beto! Who is he???"

Give it a fucking rest, R388. You've been tooting that horn way too long and it's just a tired, pathetic attack.

[quote] Is like to see the Warren, Biden, Harris, Pete debate

They need to narrow the field and throw out the people polling in single digits. It's a waste of space and the debates become chaotic.

No way Dems are going to pick a black woman or a gay man for the top spot. They will choose someone they see as the safe candidate— a white male

[quote]Biden/Buttigieg would make a good ticket.

Biden boosted him earlier in the debate. I think he really, really likes him. But he'd go with Kamala as VP.

Sanders is going to sink like a stone after this. I think some people who are with Biden and Bernie for now are just waiting to see if Warren has a good shot, and if so they might migrate. Everyone is nervous about anything but a white male as candidate. But you never make good decisions from a position of fear!

R392 The country's not gonna elect a ticket involving a gay man. That's ridiculous. That would lead to Trump's reelection. Step out of your gayborhood and you'll see there's still a good amount of homophobia in the country.

How pissed off is Liz Warren that she chose to go in with the B-Team debate.

So many advantages to tonight--this is an unusual format and candidates are able to adjust their styles by looking at what worked/didn't last night.

we cannot have 2 white males on the ticket no fucking way

Oh fuck, here comes Chuck Todd.

I can usually pick out who will win Miss Universe within the first few minutes.

It’s going to be Biden/Harris

I hope Rachel asks Pete about homo stuff.

Pete has to hold a dignified presence.

He is already guaranteed to be in the 4th debate.

This is a treading water debate for him.

Will someone stab Gillibrand?

I hate this format, I mean a few seconds to answer a question? That is demeaning. I still hate Gillibrand.

Biden is old and will not offer much needed change. Williamson should not be up there. Yang is smart but flat. Gillibrand is smart but shrill. Pete is Pete, calm, smart and articulate but I don't see it happening. Bernie keeps avoiding the questions as usual. Harris is good but also not going to be our next President. It's quite sad actually as I like her but prefer Warren.

Just shut the fuck up, Toad.

R403, it wasn't her choice.

I think Warren is happy to be out of the fray she got to shine last night

There was still a whole lot of racism in 2008 R402. Still is.

OTOH, there are more POCs that LGBs

here we go Rachel going in on South Bend police

[quote]How pissed off is Liz Warren that she chose to go in with the B-Team debate.

She didn't choose, it was drawn randomly.

Not that Chuck Toad again.

bye bye Pete

[quote]I can usually pick out who will win Miss Universe within the first few minutes. It’s going to be Biden/Harris

Joe Biden is going to be Miss Universe?

NAIL THIS PETE!!

PLEASE NAIL THIS

Pete's momentum is going to drop like a heavy stone

Pete's trying with this answer but it's not satisfactory. He should have handled it before running

So fantastic to hear an intellectual like Pete speak on a national stage. I can’t take Trump’s kindergarten phrasing anymore

R414 A gay man running for president is not even remotely comparable to a black man running for president, especially one who ran on the notion of "change".

[quote]Swalwell coming after the old ones HARD.

I think Swalwell is hot, but he should be aware taking digs on age is a double-edged sword.

It may appeal to some of the young Dem primary voters, but could turn off some of the older Dems who vote in the primaries.

Rachel goes for blood with Mayer Pete.

Lesbians HATE the GWM.

Could not disagree more = Pete is handling this masterfully.

Which one is Pete?

That was about as good an answer as he can possibly give to that question

Hickenlooper swooping in to take a swipe at Pete

Pete is naturally eloquent.

[Quote] Joe Biden is going to be Miss Universe?

He has enough botox

WOW! That was a straight and honest answer by Mayor Pete

reply 330....lol!

I have to respond to that.

Biden's time has passed. He, like many other U.S. politicians is of the former era. Not ageism; but calcificated and outdated policies and ideas of former days/years/decades/centuries.

If this country is to move forward, we cannot go back to Biden, Bushes, Clintons, Trumps, et al.

New era, changes with the world and planet necessitate transformational approaches.

Swalwell has a point.

But who is ready to lead during these huge changes in The States and worldwide?

Don't envy that individual.

R424, the point is that there has been a 2-term black President. There has yet to be an openly gay President.

Gays still face a lot of barriers.

Shut the fuck up, Hickenlooper, with those yellow teeth.

Pete should have handled this before he ran for President. He's not going to win on that answer

Marianne SPEAKS!

Corpse keeper teeth on Hickenlooper but he made a good point.

DAMN, Pete just killed Swalwell with his look!

Pete is like “thank you Marianne”

Hickenlooper shouldn't even be there. He should be running for the Senate seat in Colorado.

Rachel HATES Pete.

As she pointed out during their interview on her show, Rachel was out when she was 18 and would have KILLED HERSELF if she had to stay in the closet 'til her 30s like Pete!

Reparations?

MARY!

[quote]DAMN, Pete just killed Swalwell with his look!

What happened?

Video of Pete's answer about China.

Kamala timing is perfect

Rachel does hate Pete.

Kamala going in on Biden wow get it Queen

he needs to hear this. People were waiting for someone to make him address it

Marianne and Pete should run a workshop now that there out of the presidential race.

KAMALA GOING IN FOR THE KILL! This is not a drill!

Kamala goes IN on Biden. Jesus, he doesn't know what to do.

Marianne Williamson is Jewish too. Who knew?

Run Joe!

Murder him Kamala!

I want to give Kamala a slow clap for this.

oh shit Biden on the spot

SHUT THE FUCK UP AUDIENCE!

Kamala is nailing Biden. No fear with this woman.

Oh shit, well, that's the end of the Biden/Harris ticket.

Uh-oh, Kamala's coming for Joe on the working with segregationists thing.

FINISH HIM!

Biden did misspeak. Kamala needed to call him out. She knows she would have been bashed had she not brought it up

Kamala's answers goes beyond 30 seconds.

R445 Coming out is a personal thing. Everyone's situation is different, and you don't owe it other gays to come out until you feel ready. Rachel is a cunt for saying that.

Harris is getting choked up and gets all weak. Not a good look.

Obama invoked.

WHOA! Direct strike on Biden by Miss Kamala

Huge mistake from Biden to go back at her all angry.

Biden's teeth are too white. I find that racist.

Biden we know you're not a bad guy but your point of view is outdated. You've said things that are out of touch

Biden/Harris

{{{Oh, never mind}}}

So much for the claim that the ticket will be "Biden/Harris"...

Swallwell sounded like a know-it-all asshole when he told Pete to "fire the police chief"

And Biden is making an awesome comeback making Harris look silly.

Biden shades the Black gal!

Rachel is a cunt for attacking Pete, and I stopped watching her after that interview.

Kamala is owning him

the Kamala hater in this thread can shut up

You really think that they can't overcome that in a year and a half? That one small section in a debate kills any chance of that ticket? Get real.

OH THIS IS A MESS

Oh, my God, I'd LOVE for Kamala to debate Cheetolini!

Kamala is not listening to Biden.

He is correct.

She grew up in fucking BERKELY. Of course they instituted busing on their own.

Biden getting furious is a BAD LOOK.

Biden holding up better than I thought. Interesting he attacked Kamala for being a prosecutor instead of defense atty

Stacey Abrams just became Biden's selection for VP.

Kamala is losing it.

Biden losing it....uh oh.

Kamala definitely landed a blow on Biden

Not me bitch

lol at the one desperate Kamala hater

Why is Pete a racist?

Gillibrand NO ONE CARES

I think Biden held up well against Harris playing Angry Black Woman just to score points. It won't work.

And there's a very strong argument that court-ordered busing drove many blue collar Dems to the GOP because the upper middle classes moved to suburbia or sent their kids to private school.

Busing will never be a popular issue.

That exchange was REALLY not a good look for either Kamala or Joe.

Kamala standing there seething. Not a good look. Get a grip babes

I am the most comprehensive cunt in politics.

[quote]Kamala's answers goes beyond 30 seconds

Do YOU wanna tell her her time is up?

Biden was triggered.

R485 Oh please what office has Stacey Abrams ever held that makes her qualified to be his VP?

I honestly think Pete might take a hit out on Swalwell tonight.

We'll see whether she did or not. She seemed kind of desperate to knockout Biden who is popular with so many black voters.

You think Stacey Abrams will run with a guy who says he was right to oppose federally-enforced busing to integrate schools? No way.

Kamala was doing good until she focused on busing and made it personal. Busing was a failed experiment. I'm glad it worked for her but if it was a success, there would still be busing. And it doesn't look good when another Dem attacks another on stage. All the good vibes I felt for her evaporated.

and of course some racist overtones about Kamala. Not surprised on DL sadly

I truly believe that McConnell is more evil than Trump.

How many Panola Bread managers do you suppose have been on the end of Gillibrand's wrath?

"I said POPPY SEED dressing. On the SIDE. What's so HARD about that?"

Bennet's mouth is too small for his face

Kamala ain't fucking around. She's the clear winner thus far.

McConnell is smarter so yes he is more evil

Her outrage was part of a very calculated political move.

[quote] I honestly think Pete might take a hit out on Swalwell tonight.

Chasten is on it right now.

Misstep for Harris. Now she is just an angry black woman...not a good look.

I keep expecting Michael Bennett to interject with a “dude!” or “sweet!”

He’s got a pothead tone of voice thing going on.

Pete is happy that the Biden-Kamala exchange happened. It took some of the heat off of him but it will still be talked about

the biggest moments so far:

-Kamala vs. Biden

-Pete addressing South Bend

-Swalwell going in on oldies

It worked for her because she lived in fucking Berkeley CA, R504, possibly the most liberal city in the US and a small city at that where the buses didn't have to go very far.

It is a very divisive issue elsewhere and everyone fucking knows that the working class whites and blacks get bused and everyone else moves or goes to private school. #TRUTH

Biden reciting his resume is not a good idea

Biden is now furious and in “old man yelling at cloud” mode.

oh please with the stupid angry black woman trope

pathetic racist DL

Biden is still pissed. Kamala got under his skin.

Let Marianne speak!!! Again!

You see how tough Biden is? That's the type of person we need as president. You people are pipe dreaming if you think that Sanders of all people would be as tough as Biden.

Guys, I am having 2016 flashbacks.....

These candidates are GREAT tv, but this ain't good.

My heart is with Kamala, Biden is simply TOO OLD in all ways-

I think Warren is the best candidate, but women hate other women and chose a pussy grabber over Hillary.

To quote Marianne- We need a MIRACLE, CUNTS!!!!

I was also impressed with Pete’s stand on healthcare - “Medicare for all who want it.”

Where does Chuck Turd GET OFF telling Biden he didn't know what was going on in the Senate the last 12 years? He was VP and VP Pro Tem of the fucking Senate, you dolt!

I could see Kamala demolishing Trumpy now

[quote]Misstep for Harris. Now she is just an angry black woman...not a good look.

She went after the frontrunner, who is scoring high among black voters, and rattled him. She knew what she was doing.

And now people will wonder how Biden would fare in a Trump debate.

Gillibrand is desperate for a moment but she's not getting it. She's flailing

R519 Its optics, but please play the race card all you want...

LET MARIANNE SPEAK!!! AGAIN!!!!

I don't understand the bussing issue?

It’s amazing how eloquent ALL these candidates vs the huge Republican field last time around.

Those debates were embarrassingly bad

McConnell finally brought up.

He looms large over all these candidates plans.

Good point, Bennett, even with your distinctive speech.

LET DEEPAK CHOPRA SPEAK!!! AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

Kamala is the alpha. The crowd stills to hear her, she quiets the boys arguing, and she made Biden look like he was responsible for her being bussed to school. He actually looked guilty. Amazing.

There are millions of voters who like old men yelling at clouds R518

They all voted for Trump, the ultimate cloud yeller

And yes, Maddow hates Mayor Pete because he doesn't conform to her view of what gay men should be like.

I support the Let Marianne/Bernadette Speak Troll.

LET EKHART TOLLE SPEAK!!! AGAIN!!!

The reproductive question should be directed to the women.

Rotate judges to other courts????

Kamala still sulking over there. Your torpedo backfired, sister.

Biden vs. Sanders hasn't happened. Very surprised

R523 R530 What is your obsession with continuously mentioning Marianne? It's really disturbing.

no Kamala did just fine. Biden was hit hard

LET BERNADETTE SPEAK!!! AGAIN!!!!

Will Trump call Kamala “Angry Kamala”?

SHUT THE FUCK UP KIRSTEN

You could clearly see Biden’s facelift scars when he turned his head in profile. Yuck.

Bernie whiffed on the Roe question when Rachel restated it.

Oh God. Sanders mishearing the question. Not good optics.

That's right, Rachel, get him to answer the damn question.

[quote]Swallwell sounded like a know-it-all asshole when he told Pete to "fire the police chief"

Yeah, I usually like Swallwell but he's coming across as a little arrogant tonight.

Biden took some blows from Kamala, which to some will show she is a fighter and take take on Trump.

Gillibrand hates the lesbians?

Gillibrand is actually a great speaker. She’s just being overshadowed here by the others

Rachel, why are you showing a preference for the Franken Killer?

^^^This

Gillibrand looks like the Senior Vice President who accompanies Head of HR Hillary to tell the workers they're getting laid off.

That's why she is not getting much support R555

Link to the second thread, which we'll need shortly.

I believe that Trump has no intention to debate anyone.

Gillibrand now channeling someone who has presented an expired Bed Bath & Beyond coupon but will NOT BE DENIED.

So who won? Please don't tell me I have to read this entire thread to find out.

Someone make a new thread, please.

Mamma's mussy R556

Gillibrand is akin to a continually yapping lap dog.

[quote]Kamala's answers goes beyond 30 seconds.

And you notice Rachel didn’t DARE try to shut her up.

This thread is in HONOR of Bernadette Peters!!!!

When she threw her hat up in the air in the middle of Chicago, I KNEW that I could make it as a single woman in Seattle!!!!

Love you, girl!!!!

Pete is REALLY getting shortchanged.

Gillibtand is NOT being overshadowed here by the others. You cannot shut her the fuck up.

Already done, R563.

lmao pressed Kamala hater she's doing very well and you're mad about it

Yang is a goner. He's not speaking much at all

I'm not the Marianne troll but i need a hit of Marianne before we switch to climate.

Andrew Yang and Marianne should be billed as ‘the rest.’

Someone on Twitter is calling Michael Bennett 'Alan Thicke', and now I can't unsee it.

[quote] I believe that Trump has no intention to debate anyone.

Then the network should give the Dem the full hour.

God, these moderators are weak.

Bernadette is performing a song from Annie Git Your Gunt at the end of the debate show!!!

I thupport punching Kirthten Gillibrand in the puthy

Marianne WHERE ARE YOU??

Kamala is starting to deteriorate.

She's getting SHRIIIIIEKY

Fuck Marianne, LET YANG SPEAK!!

Trump will say, “I will put you in jail!” And his deplorable fans will cheer

"With Andrew Yang and Marianne, Here on Gilligan's Isle!"

Let Marianne speak!!! Again!

Bee Benedret for President!!!!!!

I've gotta get out my Bernadette Peters wig

It is sort of bullshit that they're not calling on Yang or Marianne.

EIther don't invite them to the debate or include them completely.

Not that hard.

So are we still on this thread or the next???

did they cut-off yang for using naughty words?

Hickenlooper opposes universal dental care

Bernadette Peters as Marianne Williamson in:

A Course in Cunt

The Marianne Williamson Story!

an ABC Telefilm

Chickenhooper does not even stand a chance of anything

I finally can type. Was locked out for a while

A few more posts to close this one out, R589. The second thread is ready any time.

What naughty words did he use?

I missed that @Della

What did he say?

Can Marianne cry on cue, though?

If the Bernie don't fit, you must AQUIT!!!!

Biden either wears dentures or has caps. He’s very slurry

R598 DYING!!!! Post that on the next thread!!!!!

Biden's popeyes when Bernie gesticulated and almost hit him in the face!

Let Marianne speak!!! Again!

Biden's chicklets should be flying soon.

Bernie makes me feel anxious depressed. Biden make me feel weary.

Marianne belongs in a Buddhist camp, not a debate.

I dunno ... I don't think Biden gained much out of this event but I don't think they've managed to touch him. I think he comes out remaining in first place.

Marianne is picking out a thermos for you!

Bernie is sounding like a crazy person.

I pray to Saint Bernadette Williamson.

Sanders cannot name his first issue

Did Marianne leave the stage ?

Yang said "China's beating our ass" or something like that

Shit. Swalwells comin for my assault weapon!

r537...I dont know how old you are, but Biden couldnt even hold his own against Sarah Palin....it was embarrassing.

I like Biden, but hes a blithering idiot...always was, always will be. If it wasnt for Obama , he would have been in the political graveyard. As a Senator, he was liked, but he WAS an IDIOT there also. He doesnt know when to shut up and he doesnt know when to keep his mouth shut.

Well, did we learn anything? Have we come to any conclusions?