Democratic Debates, Round 2, Thread 2

You cunt

Works for me. This is DL, after all.

Marianne is DEBRA!

Pete is calm and doesn't lose his cool.

What did Yang say that was naughty? I missed it.

When did Yang use a naughty word?

I think the Bernie has flamed out. He's getting the same amount of time as Wiliamson and Yang.

Yang said "Ass"

Putting Sanders and Biden next to each other was sort of genius.

They are always in each other's shots in the background

A lot of people thought Sanders would attack tonight or be targeted. It's not happening they're kinda going around him

Ucch Biden. He's off his game. He's kind of beloved for his good nature and his occasional quick wit, but he's getting all shouty like Bernie

Tie Bernie's hands behind his back and he wouldn't be able to say a word.

Here is the pass the torch guy again.

Are you sure it wasn’t “yass”?

WTF is Williamson talking about.

It's offensive that she is on that stage.

Marianne is too vague. What's her plan? She gets at the emotions but not the execution

Marianna Williamson looks like my aunt. Never realized she was Jewish but now it all makes sense.

That fight put both Biden and Harris off their game

Oh Marianne keep going honey

John Kennedy said... SHUT THE FUCK UP MARIANNE

I think the mods are pissed Marianne is even there lol

Isn’t Marianne about 70 years old?

Can Marianne cry on cue while singing torch songs?

Marianne getting all her points in while she can.

Biden has always had a temper, but could control it most of the time. He is not easy going Joe.

I agree with GUN VIOLENCE

Does Chuck wear cargo shorts and baggy Polo shirts with t-shirts underneath them to complete the 90s vibe of the goatee

Swalwell "Pass the torch, pass the torch, pass the torch" - bwhahahahahahaha

Marianne is a loon, but I kind of like her.

Love me, BITCHES????

I thought so-

Meet the new QUEEN OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!

Eyeroll worthy response from Sanders

Williamson is 66

All THAT and nobody claps?

TWO WORDS, BITCHES!!

Geez Kamala pull it together!

Biden with more Obama reference smart move to try and regain his applause

Biden fucked up that speed round. The question was what would you do when you already won. Not Beat TRUMP

I would killllllllll to hear Obama’s private comments on Biden

Andrew Yang is straight out of Veep

Lets have a big round of applause for... Bernadette Peters!

Biden's first issue to tackle as President is defeating Trump?

You like me in pigtails???

I will have Kampala READ and GATHERED!!

And nobody looking this HAWT!!!!?????

Kamala's social media people wasted no time in making a meme out of her Biden tussle.

seriously I'm obsessed with Marianne's amazing skin. She does not look typical 66 year old white lady

The Bernadette is SHINING THROUGH

Do you all realize how bad you look giving a laundry list instead of the one issue that they asked?

LAY KH and KG

Ugh, why the dig at New Zealand?

"And I would call the president of New Zealand! And I would say, GIRLFRIEND ... "

Who is the delusional loon talking about Bernadette Peters? It's 2019 not 1979.

Biden botched that one completely. Pete's right, you need to secure the fucking elections first!

And this little girl was ME, you fucking CUNT!

Climate change discussion without a discussion of the Green New Deal?

Marianne’s first order of business is to call the PM of New Zealand and shit talk her?!?

I can see Pete as Commander in Chief.

Obama's no fool - he'll endorse Biden if he's still in good standing in the final days. It's how its done.

r47, they have a woman president

Stop trying to make pass the torch happen.

I am loving you people for realizing bow great Marianne looks for 66-

She truly looks awesome for her age- and she has a thin face, so its even more shocking.

Someone who isn't nearly as funny as they think they are, R49. Just put them on ignore and move on, since they will undoubtedly post that picture over and over again.

I know that, R56. It was a childish comment.

I rarely watch ad-supported TV and watching how awful the ads on MSNBC are I remember why

I can't believe she just trash-talked New Zealand because their PM said a kind word to a little girl. What an ugly nationalistic cunt, pardon my French.

R49 Anti-Bernadette Troll

[quote]I think the mods are pissed Marianne is even there lol

I agree and I'm betting they're not happy about Yang too.

Damn I am looking good, and they are letting me SPEAK!!!

Beauty and intelligence. What more does America Need

Kamala is a Golden Girl lover apparently. DL can get behind that.

Pete was the sanest candidate present, imho.

I think Biden secured the Black vote with his; "I don't believe that you're giving Obama the proper credit and I don't buy that..."

[quote]Marianne’s first order of business is to call the PM of New Zealand and shit talk her?!?

Fuck the Kiwis

Democrats need to stop using the term gun control. Democrats have been saying that since I was a child. They need to find a better language. Gay marriage got rebranded into Marriage Equality because it sounded like it included everyone and was non-threatening.

I can imagine Liz Warren sitting back with her beer enjoying this

I am fingering myself and moaning while watching and listening to Bernie.

It was her version of a joke R62

Chillax

Weapon control?

Exactly, r62. And people wonder why Americans are sometimes hated around the world.

R49 is a bigot!!! A Bernadette Bigot! Get out of here you crazy loon!!!!!

Did someone say GOLDEN GIRLS?

I actually think Yang may have had something interesting to say.

Unlike some others.

r67 His staredown of Swalwell revealed something... sinister. I liked it, though.

I'm sorry but putting Marianne Williamson on the debate stage was foolish. She was like your drunk old aunt at a party.

Biden's flailing. Not addressing the question.

Seems like a decent fellow. But had his time in the sun.

Perhaps he could retire and spend time with Hunter and his new wife.

omg MSNBC get it together

Rachel is so butch it's annoying. Ugh!

R71

I was thinking that so far maybe Liz is the winner here.

yes hit the NRA Eric

I think most people will think Harris is the winner.

Then look at me R83-

I will make all of your fantasies come true! I have a magic trick pussy!

Is Bernie oddly handsome?

Interesting live fact checking from the Washington Post.

Eric , sorry gurl, you don't have it.

I wish now they had raised the requirements for the second debate rather than waiting for the third to weed out some of them.

Is Swallwell wearing a toupee?

Not drunk R80, but the one who is into new age healing and tries to convince everyone to go with her to an ashram for a week and put a healing crystal on the Seder Plate and tries to read grandpa's chakra while talking about past lives.

Harris was busting balls all right.

Swalwells closing sentence was powerful and catchy

“We must be a nation who loves our children more than we love our guns.”

R91, I agree. Eric S. is hot and I'd be happy to give him a blowjob, but he should wait for the next cycle.

Gillibrand is such a shrill frau

Is it true that someone was eating out Marianne Peterson when this was filmed??

Sanders not answering the criticism on his gun issues

I'm not Bernie.

Kamala is tough love her. not mincing words

Is Bernadette wearing a new pair of squirrel covers?

"I am going to cut a bitch if they don't do this in 100 days. Don't you mess with me McConnell"

[quote]Marianne’s first order of business is to call the PM of New Zealand and shit talk her?!?

Yeah, I used to admire some things about Marianne, but her bitchy comment about New Zealand was a little odd.

R579 LOL

Does Mayor Pete have hair plugs?

If it's possible to do all this stuff by executive action, isn't this kind of a diss at Obama for not having done it by her?

Buttegieg; the only military stud.

Can someone add a gif of Kim Richards? Just because?

Bernie: that is a mis-characterization Rachel: It's a quote

Harris started out strong and turned into a over dramatic attorney.

[quote]Sanders not answering the criticism on his gun issues

Not surprising.

Sanders has a pro-gun industry voting record, in contrast to Sen. Leahy of Vermont who voted in favor of gun control.

New Zealand was MW's bad joke.

SMH

He has great hair, I hope he keeps it.

Does John Kerry wear a hair piece?

And you’d have a nice mouthful, r97

That was awesome R111

[quote]I can see Pete as Commander in Chief.

Yeah, on dwarf night at MAL.

When anyone starts with.."I am the only one..." I lose interest

yes time to go in again on Trump

R117, tell Swalwell to look me up.

I'm ready for some new cock when I get back from the male strip club in Mexico.

Damn, Pete just tried going after Biden. No VP spot for him!

It looks like Twitter is talking most about Harris vs. Biden.

Rachel is mean to poor Pete.

When does the Annie Git Your Gunt song start? I'm bored!

Bennett sounds like he used to star in 80s action movies

not looks

I said sounds

Bennett's mouth doesn't open and it makes his voice sound weird.

Biden is coming back strong quite nicely.

I don’t know who will win this debate but I feel like I have won the night because I inspired a Bernadette Peters troll.

She clearly doesn't like him R125

Many DL eldergays seem triggered by him too

Michael Bennett-Thicke is kind of hot

Who's the lady in the audience who thought it would be a good idea to wear a gold mylar balloon to the debate?

[quote] I'm sorry but putting Marianne Williamson on the debate stage was foolish. She was like your drunk old aunt at a party.

can you imagine if former Alaska Sen Mike Gravel was there also, he is looney tunes also

There's an openly homosexual man on the stage. Imagine that 10 years ago!

Kamala lied about what Biden had said about those racist Senators he worked with. He said he hated them.

For the love of God STOP with the Bernadette Peters bullshit!!!!

Marianne is on the debate stage, but Steve Bullock is not.

r100 - Bwahaha

MW is a nutso. But, at the end of the day she's sane compared to Trump.

Who is the crackpot showing the same old times gif?

I feel Sorry for chuck todd

I'm already bored. I'm not even paying attention to it anymore.

[quote]There's an openly homosexual man on the stage. Imagine that 10 years ago!

Yup.

Win or lose, Pete deserves credit for breaking new ground for gays.

I can see Pete and Justin Trudeau meeting for the first time.

God Chuck Todd is such a cunt.

Kamala vs. Biden

Gillibrand is trying so hard no one cares girl

honestly she wasn't bad at all but she doesn't have IT

Keanu Reeves meets Alan Thicke

YAS!!!!!!!!!!R100!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did Biden think it was a good idea to color his skin orange like Trump?

Sanders didn't wow anyone but given how bombastic he can be, I'm impressed he controlled himself. He wasn't going off on competition. He let the others go at Biden

never mind lol here Sanders goes at Biden

i posted too soon

Chuck Todd was an ass to Marianne. Treated her like she was some nutty old lady (I mean she IS a nutty old lady, but she's on stage so give her some props)

Has Biden been to the face parlour?

Bernie is toast.

Harry Enten:

[quote]Pretty clear why Buttigieg has been up and O'Rourke has been down...

Gillibrand will not get my vote in the primary.

Chuck Todd could transition.

Not a Bernie fan, but Biden seems much older due to antiquated policies.

Bernie's much more impassioned.

Biden should talk to Marianne's surgeon

Chuck is being so patronizing. I want Kamala to Godzilla his ass.

Score card: Kamala, Biden, Swalwell, Pete.

Oh Chuck Toad, shut up, shut up. What an ass.

Biden held his own. No chipping away at his lead. The rest are vying for VP slot at this point.

Pete gave best answer to the lightening round question

[quote]Chuck Todd was an ass to Marianne. Treated her like she was some nutty old lady (I mean she IS a nutty old lady, but she's on stage so give her some props)

He's a douche and I usually avoid any TV programs he's in.

Chuck Todd is disrespectful to the candidates. Plus he's an idiota!

^ you're insane.

Kamala for the win!

Harris needed to bring Biden down here; she didn't.

[bold] [italic] #1 trending topic on Twitter: MAYOR PETE [/bold] [/italic]

Pete is actually runner up

Todd a Republican who thinks the rich should be richer. I hate him.

Chuck Todd looks like he'd be on a sex offender list

Kampala will get my vote if she leans over and punches Kristen in the throat.

I think Kamala was the only one who moved the needle tonight. Maybe Salwell got some notice, but he sounded a little to o desperate

The big headline is going to be Kamala going after Biden and whether she scored or not. She DID NOT.

Last night Miss Lindsey was mentioned twice. Nobody has tonight.

We need Tim Ryan.

There is only ONE woman who moved the needle tonight!!!

And its this QUEEN!!

Kamala is definitely winning because repubs are targeting her. After all of Trump's attempts to go around Congress, they're attacking Harris for her promise to use executive orders for gun control if Congress won't

Is that JUSSIE in the crowd with Kamala??!!

Marianne is in the audience now, praying over people and speaking in tongues

She may not have brought Biden down, R178, but I'm pretty sure she brought herself up, which is what she needed to remain competitive.

The crazy lady is talking again!

SHES GOING TO HARNESS LOVE, BITCHES!

The power of LOVE!

the anti-Kamala loon in this thread is flailing. Try your hardest to insult her but she did well tonight not perfect but very well

I don't want to see Williamson, Hickenlooper, Yang in the next Debate.

Beto, Ryan and gabbard need to go from the first one.

Marianne's platform.

Harris didn't need to bring Biden down, everyone chipped some paint off him. He's a dinosaur, a vain silly man and a creepy misogynist.

Harris threw Biden off his game

Nate Silver's analysis of last night's debate numbers:

[quote]Big jumps in favorability ratings for WARREN and BOOKER and a *really* big jump for CASTRO. Also a decent jump in favorables for KLOBUCHAR, but her unfavorables were up a fair bit too.

They're all boring except for Harris and Pete.

Marianne needs to drop out of the race and give her skin care routine or make a business out of it

cannot believe again she is 66

Trump and the GOP PACs that run attack ads have all the footage they need thanks to Marianne. That love speech. SMH

ever heard of a crest white strip hickenlooper

Everybody say LURVE

Nate Silver:

[quote]Although Warren got the best overall ratings and the biggest polling bump, CASTRO did quite strongly relative to his favorability ratings going into the debate while O'ROURKE did poorly by that metric.

Bennett: Rooney! This is George Peterson!

Oh chickenhooper, cupcake, you are certainly no Les Nessbaum.

I think Kamala trying to hide her laughter at Marianne's little speech against Trump. "I will defeat you by LOVE."

Looper dude needs to run for Senate.

The LOVE HARNESS!

Harris did well.

I need a replay of MW's comment!

Gillibrand is trying to be the most pro-woman candidate. I'm curious what the reaction will be. She never had THE MOMENT tonight

Who likes Chuck Todd?

Why is he still around?

He's beyond inadequate. He's incompetent, arrogant and unattractive in his exchanges and engagements.

His Marianne dismissal was completely uncalled for.

Tonight Rachel has taught me to hate her and her big-ass black glasses.

KG is running for School Principal.

[quote]Chuck Todd looks like he'd be on a sex offender list

lol a friend of mine said that sometime back.

I will bet you 20 million dollars that Bennett has never mentioned being Jewish until tonight when it made sense of the debate stage.

And that his parents told him to be quiet about it when he was growing up

Lord, Marianne is going to harness the power of LOVE! Maybe Celine would be better than Bernadette for the biopic.

Was Yang serious though? He really didn't say anything unless asked. He didn't fight at all

R212 you'd be wrong. He mentioned in an interview in the last month or so

Marianne's campaign poster

I wish I didn't think of foreskin everytime I see Yang speak. Kamala owned this night.

Where has Marianne BEEN all my life?! I’m HOWLING. What an ethereal goddess.

Biden getting pissy as fuck was moment number two. Kamala trying to get dirty. Mmm mmm gurl.

Tracy Flick needs to shut the fuck up even though I agree with just about everything she said.

Pete looking like he wanted to kill the derpy turd was the most sexually arousing moment in politics.

And Bernie is fucking crazy and his fan brigade lost us the election and live in a delusional fantasyland.

And now we now why Kamala and Corey are BFFs

Kamala the only candidate trending on twitter TWICE with separately her first and last names

Yang and Marianne were awful.

I want Cory Booker and Kamala Harris to make warrior babies.

No, R212, it's already known that his mother was a Holocaust survivor.

Pete got in a subtle dig about age with that 2055 comment. Nicely done!

Is there a gif of Pete's death glare at Swalwell yet?

Bernie bores me, Swalwell doesn’t have it.

I'm right here WAITING FOR YOU, R219!!!!

And I'm slicker than a blade of grass on a stormy summer's morn!!!!

Oh god, we've heard it all before Bernie.

[quote] Is there a gif of Pete's death glare at Swalwell yet

Lol. I noticed that too.

there's no question Swalwell and Buttigieg are direct competition

Who held the floor in Night 2?

Number of words spoken as of 10:40 PM:

Nothing subtle about it, R225

Biden with a fucking gross god invocation.

Fuck Harris. All she's done is pursue the next gig. And I got in touch w. her office for some constituent services stuff, got zero response. She's can't or won't run her office worth a shit and I'm supposed to like the idea of her being President?!

I'm in a monumentally blue state so not voting for Harris if she gets the nomination is irrelevant, but I'll chew off one of my hands before I vote for her in the primary.

Let's see if Biden and Harris speak to each other

"It takes guts to stick your neck out"

All 10 of them must want to kill Chuck Todd

Mayor Pete has a heavy 5 o'clock shadow. I'd love to see his hairy erogenous zones.

Why didn't they let the Telemundo guy habla?

Bernie did not lose the election for dems in 2016.

Clinton lost the election herself. If she was an engaging and not dynastic candidate, she would have won - even with undue influence. It was hers to lose and she lost it.

If Mayor Pete had Carrie or Firestarter powers, Swalwell would be a pile of ash right now.

Swalwell came off to me as a dumb jock, hot though he is.

Shut up Chuck Todd, shut up.

Another death glare: Savannah trying to sign off with Tuck Chodd interrupting her.

No hugging on stage like lastnight!

If only someone on Datalounge had started a thread about that topic R240...

FUCK YOU, CHUCK!!!!! as if this group of accomplished people need to be commended by you for having guts. No seriously. There was a fucking Vice President and war veteran on stage. To name just two! FUCK OFF!!!

Good night for our boy Pete.

How is Swalwell hot? He looks like a fucking burn victim.

Biden ran off stage hardly interacted with anyone

Mayor Pete got a good reaction overall

Chuck Todd's career is a complete mystery.

How someone so uncouth can front a U.S. debate is mind boggling.

Pete is a loser, more clearly after tonight.

[quote]there's no question Swalwell and Buttigieg are direct competition

Are we going to see a cat fight next time?

Yang, Marianne, Hickenlooper are out

Why were Berkeley schools segregated? And weren't Harris's parents pretty well off, e.g, not living in the hood?

R242 I thought the same thing.

I hate Joy Reid - notice she tries to always get a dig in on Pete.

Mayor Pete should have walked over and bitch slapped that over-juiced, steroid-chomping muscle jock Swallwell.

Biden was attacked tonight unlike Warren last night but he didn't look nearly as weak as Beto last night after Castro castrated him

[quote]Swalwell came off to me as a dumb jock, hot though he is.

I hope Swalwell will be the next top to pound my hole.

Kamala is a superstar! She won he evening.

Yes R258-- I caught that too. "A much less diverse crowd for Mayor Pete"

Harris, Biden, Buttigieg did the best. Swalwell will go up. Sanders might stay around. Gillibrand will hang on. The rest are OUT

Williamson, Higgenlooper and Yang ....peace out.

Presented without comment:

[quote]"I can see Pete as Commander in Chief." Yeah, on dwarf night at MAL.

[quote]Pete is a loser, more clearly after tonight.

[quote]Pete, as expected is processed cheese.

[quote]Pete looks like he works in the vinyl record store. Oh, he's such a boring geek.

[quote]Which one is Pete?

[quote]Marianne and Pete should run a workshop now that there out of the presidential race.

[quote]Why is Pete a racist?

R263, yeah, me too, couldn’t figure out where that came from.

lol the shade

Claire just compared Gillibrand to De Blasio last night

Chasten's hole is NOT safe tonight!

Pete is in the mood to PUNISH.

(slash fantasize about blowing Swalwell to completion)

R264, I don't see Sanders going anytime soon.

I love this tweet:

[quote]Mayor Pete admitting he couldn’t get something done is something that so many male candidates could learn from. I’m looking at you, Biden and Bernie.

This just in!

I am at the TOP of the POLLS!!!!

Thank you my wonderful fans!!!!!

Let's make America HOT again!

Like me!

quote]"As a new dad, I spend a lot of time changing diapers. Most of the time, the diapers smell better than Washington." -Eric Swalwell

Kind of an odd image from Swalwell.

"Kirsten tried."

DAMN - what did Gillibrand do to piss off Claire McCaskill?

Beto? Swalwell? Get some Windex, guys.

Lots of well-groomed young men vying for time with Mayor Pete in the MSNBC post-debate crowd shots.

R274, McCaskill made bitchy comments about Warrent last night, too.

Maybe she doesnt' like progressive Dems since she is more of a moderate.

Where did you take those comments from, r266? And bullshit about presenting without comment. Your own feelings could not be clearer.

[quote]Chasten's hole is NOT safe tonight!

"I'm sorry, my dear's butthole, but you are up for elimination."

Pete appeared the most sane and thoughtful. Biden didn't alienate his strong base of support. Bernie was Bernie. Kamala came off as aggressive and over the top in my opinion. I'm seeing a lot of people saying that she won, but that won't play in the general.

This Williamson tweet is winning Twitter

Here's the video of Pete's Death Glare (tm) but you need to disable the link previews to see it.

R274 maybe Claire saw how try-hard Kirsten was being

Sanders still has a lot of money and name recognition and stubborn supporters, R270, so you're right that he's not leaving anytime soon.

I doubt he did himself any favors or any serious damage tonight but I suspect that he's going to see more polls where he drops from number two to number three or four, as some of the competition passes him by.

r270 me neither and he's going to fuck this shit up again.

He is being exposed because with more than one really opponent he looks weak. It's always what is wrong and never a plan to fix it.

He's that kid that runs for Student Body President by saying he will get rid of homework.

Oh look, is Rachel on MSNBC to make more cunty comments about Pete?

I can't hear — I mute her now.

[quote]I'm seeing a lot of people saying that she won, but that won't play in the general.

Oh, I think it will, particularly since Trump *really* has trouble with a strong, aggressive woman.

Gone:

Kirsten

Yang

Marianne

The two dull old white guys that are not Bernie or Biden

Swalwell

Maybe Pete

I thought Hickenlooper would target Sanders but he didn't

Not a good night for Bernie or Biden. Kamala really helped herself.

Swalwell is going to go up in the polls. He got some moments in tonight

Swalwell hitting Sanders on guns and Buttigieg on the police shooting was smart moves

[quote]Marianne Williamson has already reached legendary also-ran status. Reparations. Spiritual Energy. Inexplicable 1940s Mid-Atlantic Accent. An icon.

[quote]Where did you take those comments from, R266?

From a single poster in the debate threads tonight.

[quote]And bullshit about presenting without comment. Your own feelings could not be clearer.

My "feelings" are that I don't like obvious trolls.

Where do we go to vote? I did not like Kamala, at all. But she may win a nomination, because she is sexy. I don't think she can win against Trump.

Biden has no chance of being nominated.

The camera focusing right now on the age spots on Biden's bald head is not doing him any favors

R293. ICON!!!!!!!!

[quote]Kamala came off as aggressive and over the top in my opinion

I couldn't stand her over the top antics. I loved that Biden gave her a smackdown.

Lindsey Graham Verified account @LindseyGrahamSC

Two nights in this is becoming @realDonaldTrump’s election to lose.

Democrats are on the path to making Trump look like George Washington.

The more they talk, the better he looks.

#4Terms 😁

Where is this narrative that Rachel is cunty to/about Pete come from? Sure, she's not sycophantic towards him, but she seems to treat him like every other candidate. If anything, I think she might be cognizant about not seeming too partial towards the lone gay candidate least she be deemed biased in anyway.

Poor Jason Sudeikus

Okay, who won?

Man, Lindsey is really desperate, isn't he?

Harris, R303.

Kamala’s bus story reminded me of Sophia’s Sicily stories on GG.

R303, Warren, I think.

Harris r303. Guarantee the media narrative will be she won the debate.

This was the first debate. The main thing was to not bomb.

Losers: Biden, Bernie, Shrieking Gillibrand, Marianne, Yang, Hickenlooper.

The rest were meh, but not losers.

Debate two up next.

I just made my next contribution to Pete to make "after the debate bump" and "end of second quarter spike".

lol of course racist DL thinks Kamala is angry and over the top. She rocked the night.

[quote] Kamala came off as aggressive and over the top in my opinion.

IMO, the busing is a non-issue. It was never popular in the first place, otherwise it would be happening now.

All the commentators singing Kamala praises...trying to rule the election. Let's wait and see what the voters say.

Not one candidate really impressed me.

You're about 150 posts too late R306.

I can't remember if Sophia or Blanche had the "that little girls was me" line first.

R301 the posters on here who worship Pete and think he can't be touched are critical of anyone who questions him

Rachel doesn't hate Pete. She just doesn't hold back on questions

Rachel Maddow:

[quote]“Moderating a ten-way debate two nights in a row is not a thing that humans can do and we should never try it again.”

People hated busing. Besides Joe only voted that it should be up to the states.

[quote]All the commentators singing Kamala praises...trying to rule the election.

She did good. Biden did well because he was able to support his positions with data.

r316, said the PhD to the guy who did not graduate from college.

[quote]Mayor Pete: Here’s an honest, heartfelt response.

[quote]Swalwell: Dude, I would’ve fired his ass. I would’ve been all like you’re done-zo, bro.

I hope the press hammers Sanders on his gun stance

he's definitely not as perfect on that as other candidates

Did Biden make Kamala sit in the back of the bus?

Who did ok or better:

Biden

Harris

Pete

That’s it.

Swalwell was too rehearsed. Marianne was crazy. Yang is nutty. Bernie is a bore.

Brian Williams just said Biden was taking cellphone pictures with "the youngs."

Next debates are July 30 and July 31 on CNN in Detroit.

PLEASE, never have Chuck Todd on TV again

[quote] All the commentators singing Kamala praises...trying to rule the election. Let's wait and see what the voters say.

When they talked about foreign policy, Biden has the edge. He is able to say what he accomplished during the Obama administration.

Swalwell sounded like a fucking goon R292. Who would support him MORE? He said absolutely nothing substantiative.

Only homophone John Ried and man-hater Maddow are flicking their clits over Swalwell because they want to dim Pete’s ~*shine*~

Kamala played the maudlin female card with Biden tonight. "little girl on that bus". Yeah America, you fell for it.

Kamala just wants to make Joe out to be a racist, he never was. Fuck Kamala. I see her game.

Rachel got the "Hate Pete" rep in her first interview of him. She appeared to some people to give him a hard time for taking a long time to come out as gay, while she, a fellow Rhodes Scholar, was always out. Something along those lines.

Kamala Harris was brilliant tonight. Far more interesting and strong than Liz Warren was last night. Trump will be terrified if he has to face her.

r322, WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME, ME!!! OFF YOUR LIST. YOU DO NOT WANT TO SE ME IN FULL CUNT MODE. THIS IS HALF CUNT...

Another video of Mayor Pete staring at Eric. You guys, should we be worried?

lol Biden just got in Garrett Haake's face and put his hand on his shoulder

c'mon great uncle Joe

Biden was just touching Garret .

Uncle Joe is handsy with the young women.

Gillibrand first up on MSNBC spin room

I would NEVER want to be near Chris Matthews with all that spitting and burping he does what the FUCK does he eat

When Pete gets that look going, I know I’m in for a hot night! Thank God I packed the supersized lube.

Kamala disappointed me. She seemed like a Trump, already lying about her opponents. We have had enough of that. I hate the slander.

Maybe Pete’s look wasn’t hatred, but “I really want to shove my big dick in your big mouth.”

Takeaway from both nights:

Warren, Biden, Sanders, Harris, and Buttigieg will remain as front-runners for the nomination.

Booker and Castro will get a second look from many of the voters.

O'Rourke probably fared the worst of the well-known candidates.

I don't see anyone else really breaking through.

Politico declaring Kamala the winner

Biden was attacked by harpies, and made it out alive. Trust me, in the centrist and left of center world he did well. This is not to say that others didn't score points with progressives, as well.

She didn’t lie about anyone, r340. You’re the liar. You clearly can’t stand that she won the night.

Agree r332. If you had to pick a winner, Kamala Harris had the best performance out of both nights of the debate.

But too much of DL is too racist and misogynistic to admit it.

Biden misspoke last week. Not sure why some of you can't see that. Does he mean well? yes but he's out of touch with some answers. Kamala exposed that effectively

Aloha, R342

Nate Silver's analysis:

[quote]I pretty much agree with the conventional wisdom (Harris great, Buttigieg good, Bernie meh, Biden bad) but Biden's one of those candidates that the CW keeps guessing wrong about so let's see the polling.

Guess who didn't feel cenTered?

[quote]Dem debate drinking game: drink every time a candidate doesn’t address trans reproductive rights

R345 and R346 yeah sadly there are some racist and misogynistic posters on DL. It's clear Kamala did well

Gabbard, R348, a bunch of trolls tried to make you happen. You won't.

r334 Pete got the flashbacks to those straight jocks torturing him in Afghanistan. His eyelid actually twitched towards the end.

I would rank them as - Harris, Pete, Bennett, and the rest.

Breaking news - Marianne was once Laura Dern’s roommate

When there are another hundred or so debates to go, it is not important to claim victors.

It is the losers who decide not to continue who decide who the winners are.

Harris did well and will kick Trump’s ass.

Who did you see who could beat Trump ?

I've always liked Kamala and she did FANTASTIC tonight! Love her!

Pete held his own well, Biden did "good enough."

Swalwell was NOT good. He came across like a brat.

I HOPE that everyone still hate Gillibrand. "WOMEN!!" Such a tool.

Kamala's attack on Biden was fierce--it may have lacked a little in substance, it may have been slightly unfair, but this is politics baby and she did GREAT!

Has the DNC said what the requirements are to place into the July 30/31 debates in Detroit? It's time to cleave the bottom 8 candidates (4 from each night this week)

I remember Tim Russert explicitly praising Chuck Toad on air and nominating the Toadster as his protege. This was Chuck's amazing career break for those who may remember.

All of them, R357, except Williamson.

Harry Enten analyzes Biden's support with Black voters:

[quote]here are essentially two graphics I'm looking at. 1. Biden was at 49% with black voters in our CNN polls combining April/May. 2. Biden's support has been so steady at about 30%-33% in part because of number 1. Cause if tonight doesn't shake 1/2... What will?

Can we talk about instant DL icon Marianne Williamson??

I mean, seriously. Jeeeezus. Grey Gardens lives.

Tonight's debate made last night look like amateur hour. Besides Warren, everyone from last night should go home.

Gillibrand is like this year’s Hillary. She’s perfectly competent... but so shrill and unlikeable. Everyone just hates her.

[quote]Trump will be terrified if he has to face her.

You really don't understand how this works. No one cares about Trump's debating skills except the people who ARE NOT going to vote for him.

[quote]But too much of DL is too racist and misogynistic to admit it.

I'm black and far, far from sexist or racist but she comes across as unfriendly. I'm visiting my 70 year old black mother, who has voted in every election since she could vote. We watched the election together and she asked why does Kamala always come across as so angry. She still likes Biden and now she likes Pete.

[quote]Has the DNC said what the requirements are to place into the July 30/31 debates in Detroit?

Yes, they're identical to the first debate. So we will likely see all of these candidates again. The third round is where they tighten the requirements.

Who's the freak who just discovered who Marianne Williamson is? She's a lot more famous than Pete Butthowdy.

omfg the requirements are the exact same? wow

I hope some of the bottom pollers lose support in the next month then

r367 That's outrageous.

[quote] I will bet you 20 million dollars that Bennett has never mentioned being Jewish until tonight when it made sense of the debate stage. And that his parents told him to be quiet about it when he was growing up

And, you would be wrong, R212. I've known Bennett for 25 years, from when he worked at DOJ. I've know for that whole time that he's Jewish.

and you know Seth Moulton might qualify in a month so that would be one more person

[quote]I'm visiting my 70 year old black mother, who has voted in every election since she could vote. We watched the election together and she asked why does Kamala always come across as so angry. She still likes Biden and now she likes Pete.

How do you feel Pete will do with Black voters going forward?

Kamala up next on MSNBC. See link for livestream.

[quote] Yes, they're identical to the first debate. So we will likely see all of these candidates again. The third round is where they tighten the requirements.

Do you mean the same people?

Or will the people change if they do better or worse with fundraising and polling leading up to the next debate?

[quote]Williamson

I actually think that she had her moments. She had some lines which caused me to pause and think. But, then she overshadowed them by her new age, air head, lines. But, it was this Bernadette Peters troll on here that just totally caused me to despise her and nearly just give up on this thread. UGH... such annoyance.

[quote]Trump will be terrified if he has to face her.

While Trump cowers from strong women in a setting where they can lay hands on him or in a setting like the White House, he's not going to worry about any of the Democratic candidates when it comes to the debates. He's too damn stupid to know how stupid he is. And the bar is set so low for him by the national media that they'll praise him for just about anything he does.

He will likely lose the debates, as decided by the majority of those polled, but his supporters won't give a shit. Frankly, I doubt the eventual debates between Trump and the Democratic candidate will move the needle at all.

R366

Harris comes across as a calculating politician; maybe I'm too cynical but her outrage was long planned here as a strategy. Stacey Abrams is quite likeable, so I don't see myself as racist or mysogenistic. I'd be really interested to know what your mother thinks of Liz Warren?

Google Trends: crazy, but cool, lady Marianne, got the google trends.

[quote]Do you mean the same people? Or will the people change if they do better or worse with fundraising and polling leading up to the next debate?

There will be some tiebreaking done, just as was done for this round, so it might not be exactly the same 20. It will be pretty close to the same, though, with maybe a couple of the fringe candidates giving way to a couple of the other fringe candidates.

I don't need to hear from Marianne, Yang, Hickenlooper, Delaney and Ryan need to drop out NOW

Spotted on Twitter:

[quote]Marianne Williamson is doing an incredible job for someone who is obviously digesting an edible on television

Maybe some of the lowest performing candidates will drop out before the next debates,

[quote]That's outrageous.

You're far from the first person to think that, or say that. The DNC was bending so far backward to avoid any accusation of favoritism that they ended up creating an impossible situation.

[quote]Harris comes across as a calculating politician; maybe I'm too cynical but her outrage was long planned here as a strategy.

And, in my opinion, that's her flaw. When she comes across as sincere she nails it! But, there have been times that she's just too much of a politician for me. She's not consistent.

Debate tiebreaker discussion.

Neither are any of us

Agree 100% R365

I will be curious to see how older white Flyoverstani voters read Harris:

Strong competent woman who takes no shit, or Angry Black Woman

I love Marianne and her steadfast 90s brand of metaphysical idealism and her determined chutzpah that she can somehow interject it into today's politics. She may be kind of loopy, but she can also be quite lucid and spot on in her assessments at times. She hasn't a shot in hell at being president, but it's cool that she actually made it to a debate stage.

Marianne’s plan to call New Zealand was completely disqualifying.

They need to be able to cut the damn mics if they’re putting this many people on stage.

And boot any cheering audience members.

Kamala lied last week about Joe. I never liked that shit from Trump and I will like it even less from Kamala. Joe is not the enemy. I never wanted to vote for Joe but if people are going to lie about his good work, I will have to vote for him.

It was crazy, R390. I know it was supposed to be a joke, but it sounded like something Trump would say. It doesn't matter since she doesn't have a chance of winning.

[quote]Marianne’s plan to call New Zealand was completely disqualifying.

Yes, that is the one reason Marianne won't be our next President.

Marianne is a Moon Unit and if you seriously support her for president then there's a 100% chance you're not a regular voter, if you've EVER voted.

R390, in fairness to her, that was supposed to be some lighthearted humor; she just wasn't able to carry it off.

R390 Well, it is something that she could realistically do on day one - unlike any of the other plans proposed.

Biden and Buttigieg won. Just stay calm and collected. Work the Blue Collar Democrats.

"My first hour on the job, I'll march into the White House and pick up that phone to Jacinda Ardern, I promise this to the American people!" - Marianne

The clear winners.

Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand, showed what true grace and leadership is in how she handled the aftermath of the recent Christchurch mosque shootings. She's not a bad model to follow for a new leader.

An EXCELLENT after debate interview Kamala is giving.

I'm waiting for Mayor Pete

r402 I'm watching it too and she is good. I hope she doesn't linger too long on the 'school bussing' thing though. No matter how relevant you may or may not consider it, it WILL get old fast, and does distract us from the goal. She drew blood on Biden with it, it served it's purpose. Now move on.

Still a big Kamala fan though. I'm so glad she nailed it tonight.

I'm amazed anyone would say Biden won... the pundits are screaming he fatally fucked up (on CNN anyway.). He's got to have a think through about how to message his record. Much of it made sense - AT THE TIME. Some talking head rightly observed one of Joe's problems is he's of a political generation where saying you're sorry is fatal.

Kamala is doin' that annoyin' Hillar thing to show she's folksier than her outfits...and droppin' her gs.

I know a lot of people don't like Joe for lots of reasons but I keep looking at the polls... the majority of the Democrats aren't very liberal... about 19% identify as very liberal. Whether it's Joe or not, it will be very bad for us if the nominee is too far left. This is a conservative, ill educated, fearful, football obsessed nation. It Is not ready for urban progressivism. It just isn't. The wrong candidate will hand the election to Trump.

Beto was chopped down the worst of any of the top tier candidates. As DL would say "his collapse is complete". He has NO chance at being a serious contender

Biden was wounded but how deep the cut was it's too early to tell

Sanders and the gun issue may linger

Buttigieg's police shooting incident will not go away even if it's not always in the news

I mean I'm waiting on the segment where Chris spits on Pete :)

I agree, R404. If she lets it go further just refer to my post R385

[quote]Beto was chopped down the worst of any of the top tier candidates. As DL would say "his collapse is complete". He has NO chance at being a serious contender

Agree. Beto is the de facto loser of the first round of debates. It was his chance to break out, but he just landed himself some bad headlines and crippled his chances to be a serious contender, which he had the potential to be.

It was a good blow but yeah, so obviously calculated. "And that little girl was me.:" Of course its fucking was.

She's a great prosecutor and a killer debater... but that doesn't make a great candidate.

She didn't say that Jacinda Ardern would be her role model, R401.

Beto was a flash in the pan. He did an awesome job trying to take down Cruze but one viral moment and a road trip across Texas doesn't make you a credible candidate for president. He's too Hamlet.

Pete's answer about the police shooting was a masterclass for Biden about how to handle the tough questions where the ground beneath you ions't solid.

[quote]How do you feel Pete will do with Black voters going forward?

For me personally, I think most consistent black voters are pragmatists. (The black millenials on Twitter are not your typical black voter.) IMO, they are going to vote based on what they know and who they think can take out Trump. They aren't going to move away from Biden until another candidate gives them reason to believe they can win the general election, as we saw in 08. I love Pete and I want to live in a world where Pete is President, but, like many others, I don't think Pete can take out Trump. But, if Pete begins to show more strength and gain more support from others, his black support would certainly grow.

Kamala and Cory 2020!! East - West connection!

[quote]I'm amazed anyone would say Biden won...

I don't think he won but he was able to hold his own. In my opinion, he has to get his record out there accurately because when he spoke about it everything made sense and was good again.

I'm still concerned about that death glare. Could Pete be a bit of a psycho underneath it all? I'm sure most politicians are, but still...

That DLer who's into that "alpha" shit is going to go nuts when he sees that clip.

Twitter is blowing up for Kamala.

Pete's rep Lis Smith went into the Spin Room and said that Pete wasn't going to be there.

She said that Pete made his case to the American people and that there was nothing to spin.

She also said that he won the evening which, in and of itself, WAS SPIN.

Pete's team is brilliant.

I liked Bennett. I am going to hate Kamala, if she keeps lying. She worked as a DA, if any one is racist, it is Kamala.

I really hope somebody makes Pete Vice President. He's intelligent but he's also so practical. I want him to be President when the time is right for him. As noted, not this time. But fuck he's a force to be reckoned with.

Not showing up to the spin room is a bad sign. I thought Pete did somewhat well though! He should have toughed out the spin room.

[quote]Twitter is blowing up for Kamala.

Well, that's the end of her.

Why did they close the first thread down?

[quote]How do you feel Pete will do with Black voters going forward?

I don't think we will ever see it in the numbers. But, here's two things that Mayor Pete is doing, in my opinion.... He's advancing how gays are being viewed by everyone. Now, this includes Black people who define themselves as being very religious. He's making them think about their religious views and how the religious leaders are supporting Trump. There is a mismatch here. I think that many black people are taking to Mayor Pete more than they might be taking to Kamala.

Showing up to the spin room in person is DESPERATE.

[quote]We watched the election together and she asked why does Kamala always come across as so angry.

Funny because I thought that folksy “Mayor Pete” seemed the angriest. He was trying to repress it but it was there, esp in that “death stare.” He’s seen some shit apparently.

r242 Because it reached the reply limit?

I meant to reply to r424, sorry.

Yeah, sometimes there's no advantage in going into the spin room. You can damage yourself.

Pete did great. His people were smart to cap the evening on that impression.

If Kamala will lie about Biden, she will lie about Warren when the time comes.

Kamala's years as a prosecutor is good training for this type of thing. She knows how to get her point across.

Ezra Klein said it well

[quote]Harris is just better in this format than anyone else on the stage. That's going to matter.

Kamala wasn’t lying about Biden. In fact, she got him to admit that even today he doesn’t think he was wrong to be against federally-enforced integration through busing.

r417 the Lipstick Alley crowed pointed this out during that ill-advised "discussion" with protesters. He, for whatever reason, doesn't take criticism well. I believe he worked very hard to create a specific image for him, another glass closet, as a tough person but he appears to have deep insecurities, which is why he always looks pissed when challenged. You can't wear those emotions on a national debate stage.

I felt his answer started fine, but he can't answer why the number of black police officers in his city remains so disproportionate low compared to the community. He works very hard to avoid criticizing his police force which is why these issues have continued without much progress. We know he started his mayoral career with a racial controversy after firing the police chief. I get his trepidation, but I am shocked how unprepared he was to defend his own record. I'd say put him in a cabinet position, because he obviously wants out of South Bend.

His staff is extremely out of touch with racial issues and need to wake the fuck up, because he will be asked this again in the next debate. Once he hits the south, he can't afford to dance around that question.

Lis Smith, Pete's spin-mistress, went into the spin room, spun and left.

She is gold!

Seth MacFarlane:

[quote]@PeteButtigieg is the most impressive candidate on this stage so far. No chest-thumping, no pandering to the crowd, no reaching for the applause button, just substance and intellect. When you slice through the theatrics of the room, this is the guy who stands out.

Kamala just artlessly dodged Van Jones' invitation to show some respect for Mayor Pete. I can't blame her, he's a rival, but she sure can't extricate herself without a switchblade.

Queen Kamala FTW!! I

Huge thanks to Poll Troll, one of my favorite posters! When you have time, please give us your analysis of both nights.

Harris' background as a prosecutor gives her the expertise to undo a lot of damage Trump has done in the judiciary. She emerged with some solid moments and memorable sound-bites, but will America buy it? Misogyny is alive and well, as unfair as that is. I'm not convinced Caucasians and, to be blunt, Caucasian women, will support her.

He may be the youngest candidate, but Buttigeig's calm, cool, collected demeanor may be the mature anecdote to Trump that resonates with many 'on-the-fence' Americans.

As Democrats, sometimes we take the 'inclusivity' thing too far, and tonight was a prime example. Williamson and Yang, in different ways, were an embarrassment and detracted from the viable candidates. Sure, they provided comedic relief we'll be joking about for years, but at what price? If we're going to beat Trump we have to appeal to moderate, middle-of-the-road Americans, not pander to the extremes.

Both nights were way more fun watching while reading the comments each of you made. Well done, DL!

Honestly, Kamala will fold, if she keeps twisting the truth.

r440 I missed it, what did Kamala lie about?

R440 keep trying with your false narratives because no one is believing you. Kamala did not lie. She set Biden straight and most people realize that. You're too biased to admit it of course

Moments after her little girl moment, her team tweets a picture of the little girl on Twitter.

So that wasn't planned at all.

At this point I could see a Biden/Harris doing quite well. Kamala would destroy Pence on a one on one debate but she would be fierce in the campaign trail going after Trump. She's almost like a Sarah Palin in the sense that Palin was able to motivate the crowds--her problem was that she was dumb and she let her popularity over take her.

[quote]Harris' background as a prosecutor gives her the expertise to undo a lot of damage Trump has done in the judiciary.

And, that's why she would make a perfect help mate to Biden. But, then there is Joe Biden....

If Biden wins the nomination, he won't go anywhere near her after that. She kinda cut the ground out from under herself with Biden, because she's created an unanswerable question if she was part of a ticket.... but she's obviously in it for the win or nothing.

To me, it doesn't fucking matter if Kamala lied about anything! Trump lies six times before breakfast and he's the president. Kamala can beat him. Can others beat him, probably, but tonight Kamala proved she can play in the top tier.

[quote]Moments after her little girl moment, her team tweets a picture of the little girl on Twitter. So that wasn't planned at all.

Of course it was planned. But, here's the art; Bringing the topic up so that she could execute the story and then have a massive marketing campaign to capitalize on it.

Harris ain't riding in the back of Biden's bus. No fucking way.

If Biden gets the Nom he would be a fool to pass up Harris. He can play President fora term then hand the reigns over to her. This is, if he gets to the end.

Harris did very well, probably the best of the bunch, but I doubt it played as well in the critical swing states as it did on DL and on Twitter. Obama smartly knew when he ran in 2008 and 2012 that he couldn't come across as too angry or "too black." He knew how to play it "safe" and win the hearts of voters in overwhelmingly white states like Iowa. I'm not sure that Harris has the same appeal or skill. If she wants to appeal to the heartland, she needs to channel more of the economic populism of candidates like Warren and less of the angry black woman fighting for social justice. It really is all about the economy, stupid. And economic issues don't seem to be Harris' forte.

Harris is going to be this cycles Bernie Sanders.

Weaves will be tossed on the Green!

CNN is going to a focus group in Iowa... will be interesting to see how she played there.

Someday, I would love to see Mayor Pete verbally dice Rachel’s smarmy and snarky snatch like a gefilte fish. He would emaciate her in his signature calm and cool tone, and she would surely plotz and take heed in the future.

Who is she to condescend and bash someone on when they chose to come out.

Kamala lied about Biden, she said he praised segregationist Senators...he did not, he had said he hated them but she completely ignored that fact. I had nothing against Kamala but honestly, I have had enough slander from Trump over the last two years, I will continue to speak out against Kamala if she lies about the other candidates.

[quote]I'm not sure that Harris has the same appeal or skill. If she wants to appeal to the heartland, she needs to channel more of the economic populism of candidates like Warren and less of the angry black woman fighting for social justice.

And, that's why it has already become tough for me because I like Biden (so far), Kamala, Warren, Mayor Pete, and Castro. I'd like to see them in some higher form positions in the government,

In Joy Reid's case there will be wigs on the Green!

r452 Please report back with those results as not all of us can watch CNN right now, thanks.

Obama played house N for 8 years and it got no one anywhere. Racism is WHY Trump is president. No POC will be playing it safe again, win or lose.

Pete would never do that to a Queen Lez.

Too much to lose for a GWM, r453.

In my mind, Bennett won.

correction, r458, Obama played house N for SIX years.

It was after he fixed the economy and pushed through the ACA did America turn on him and give us McConnell and Ryan.

Which one was Bennett?

Iowa panel mostly liked Harris and Pete. One guy picked Biden, R457.

R457, so it was interesting... of the ten, all said the best performers of the night were Harris (mostly) followed by Pete. But all but one felt in terms of performance between Warren (who they thought carried the night last night) vs. Harris... they gave Warren the title of best performance.

All said they are nowhere near ready to commit to a candidate.

Some hard truths about Biden from Daniel Dale:

[quote]Biden's claim tonight that he only opposed federally mandated busing and did not generally oppose "busing in America" was a flagrant misrepresentation of his position in the '70s and '80s. He'd made crystal clear he opposed busing as a concept, as a matter of principle.

[quote]Biden's remarks on busing in the 1970s were generally very unequivocal -- "I oppose busing. It's an asinine concept." "A bankrupt concept." "Busing does not work." He expressed pride for making anti-busing sentiment "respectable" among liberals.

[quote]As recently re-reported by WaPo, Biden said things like this about busing: “What it says is, ‘In order for your child with curly black hair, brown eyes, and dark skin to be able to learn anything, he needs to sit next to my blond-haired, blue-eyed son.’ That’s racist!"

Harris won by 65 %, with Pete a distant second with 12% & Biden at 7%. Of course people aren't ready to commit, but why refute what is clear to most people? Last night was a great night for Warren and a good night for Castro.

Tonight there is only one standout, one winner, one person everyone is talking about, and it is Kamala Harris.

What are you so upset about, R466?

Kamala is already in trouble for her flip flop on healthcare... that will dog her.

Top 5 candidates with the most speaking time at the end of the debate:

Kamala's people have already released a T-SHIRT with her picture as a little girl waiting for the bus.

This was a misstep - too eager. They should have waited 'til the morning.

r470 Oof, that's not a good look.

There were 34 mentions of Trump tonight, 14 more than last night.

I want to see Nicolle Wallace moderate a debate. She would do a great job.

Did Marianne Williamson return to Planet Zebulon?

She's along for the ride R473. She said last night whoever the dems pick she will vote for them.

Biden, Harris and Buttigieg spoke the most words tonight:

I would die to see Kamala Harris come after Trump to his face during a debate. It’s something special to watch a prosecutor of her caliber get their knives out for a particular target.

r472 Hmm, interesting. Warren and Pete obviously have a no-Trump policy.

I enjoyed Claire McCaskill on the MSNBC panel. She was a great — and occasionally DL-grade cunty — addition.

So Gillibrand's caterwauling only SEEMED much longer.

Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg spoke more words tonight than their standing in the polls might suggest:

“As the only,” Senator Kamala Harris interjected during the second Democratic debate, in Miami, “as the only black person onstage, I would like to speak on the issue of race.” She directed her attention at Joe Biden. The former vice president’s record on civil rights—and his fond remembrances of segregationist senators—has recently faced a wave of scrutiny. He’s argued that his ability to work with those he disagrees with is a mark of civility, but the former prosecutor was prepared to challenge him. She wanted to address a particular part of his record.

“You also worked with them to oppose busing,” she said. “And you know, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bused to school every day. And that little girl was me.” Her team tweeted a photo of her when she was in school with the line “That little girl was me."

Biden stood, staring into the applauding audience, before objecting that Harris had presented a “mischaracterization” of his position on race and busing. “What I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education,” he said. It wasn’t a defense that helped.

The confrontation captured an evolution—of the Democratic Party, of the country—that has taken place within Biden’s lifetime. Harris reminded viewers that this was all in her lifetime, too, and how different a tale. There the two were, staring at each other, their personal stories inextricably bound up in the bigger American story.

Biden tried to defend himself before relenting to the clock. “Anyway,” Biden said, “my time is up.” Indeed it was.

ADAM HARRIS

The biggest winners of the debates were Kamala and Castro. They both moved up to the top tier because of their debate performances. Kamala actually having a good shot of winning the whole thing, and Castro moving into the Top 3 of potential VP candidates. Booker also did well.

I'm interested to see if Biden and Warren remain stable, or actually slip in the polls.

I thought Kirsten Gillibrand did well tonight, but she was so overshadowed by Kamala that it probably won't make a difference. It's a shame she wasn't in the first debate.

Kamala won tonight. To me Biden comes off as thinking he already has the nomination. I was put off by his staying on the stage instead of coming to the floor to mingle with the audience after the debate.

Williamson is an absolute hippy. Here are a few clips of her arriving at the hotel and the flower power groupies greeting her. She's not going to make it to round 3 of the debates with the higher requirements needed to participate.

Marianne Williamson is a Datalounge legend after tonight. Who should play her in the movie?

Risky strategy by Harris to make herself the news of the night by coming for the front-runner but she pulled it off with precision and steel in her spine. She put Biden into a defensive crouch. Excited for more.

Somewhere Steve Bullock is thinking how the hell could Marianne manage to meet the qualifications and my campaign couldn't.

[quote]I'm interested to see if Biden and Warren remain stable, or actually slip in the polls.

Based on early numbers from 538 & Morning Consult, Warren appears to have gained since last night, but it will take several days for more in-depth polling to come out.

As for Biden, as Harry Enten said tonight, CNN's polling has shown Biden's numbers with Black voters holding up until now, so the days after tonight will be the big test for him.

Kamala/Pete ticket for the win.

Nice idea R490. What a wonderful world it would be.

Harry Enten:

[quote]There are essentially two graphics I'm looking at. 1. Biden was at 49% with black voters in our CNN polls combining April/May. 2. Biden's support has been so steady at about 30%-33% in part because of number 1. Cause if tonight doesn't shake 1/2... What will?

Ezra Klein:

I'm a new father too and I change a lot of diapers. You don't get a medal for it. It doesn't need to be in your closing statement. Swalwell's constant humblebragging about it really irks me.

[quote]Kamala's people have already released a T-SHIRT with her picture as a little girl waiting for the bus.

Oh, this is a mistake by her campaign. She's turning an authentic moment into something clearly planned and calculated. They should have waited until tomorrow so it at least didn't look all planned out.

It is the anticipation R494. Anyone up there had to have know racism would have been discussed because of Biden's comments. Remember too, Biden wasn't talking about racist repubs, they were dems.

Kamala's team already botching her win over Biden. That's quite an achievement.

I am less and less happy with Kamala already.

Til about halfway through the debate, she was sharp, agile, compassionate, had policy ideas and was connecting.

Then she had a viral moment. OK, fine.

Now she's looking like a stunt queen.

Preet Bharara ‏ [quote]Mayor @PeteButtigieg on religion and children in cages and hypocrisy: excellent.

I don’t care. I bought the shirt. Take my money, Kamala. She’s a smart bitch.

Ana Navarro:

Kamala Harris going for the jugular. This is brutal. Now, just for one second, imagine her confronting Trump. She will chew him up and spit him out.

Ezra Klein: ‏ So Harris intends to win this primary.

Months ago I bought the baseball hat on Kamala's site. I'm really surprised I have not heard from her campaign about donating or volunteering.

Wow... I was not disappointed, Kamala won it spectacularly!!!

Laura Bassett: ‏ This is not an endorsement but you're lying if you don't think Kamala Harris would eviscerate Trump in a debate.

However glorious it was to behold, Harris going so directly after Biden might alienate his supporters too much. To the point that they won't support her in the end. Just a hunch.

Trump is LOVING the tearing down of the candidate most likely to defeat him. Loving it.

So how much do we want another four years of President Trump?

Now that Kamala put Biden and Bernie in their places, probably some care home. Oh Uncle Joe, your fumbling of words was just too painful to watch.

We don't know who can defeat Trump R506. This shit is all made up that only Biden can defeat Trump.

Report from Osaka: Trump is shitting in his underwear after seeing Kamala's stellar performance.

I was disturbed by the fact that that cray cray woman Marianne was allowed to be on stage. I suppose all the candidates will pull out the big guns in the next debate

Yeah we do r508. When one candidate is 10 points above the rest in the polls vs Trump, we know.

[quote]This shit is all made up that only Biden can defeat Trump.

It's true that no one can ever predict for sure who can win a general election until the general election actually happens.

However, there were several reliable news sources earlier this month that said Trump's own internal polling showed him most worried about losing to Biden in several of the swing states.

Trump was so angry about the polling leak that he fired some of his pollsters.

We are not Trumptards, we don't have to revolve ourselves around everything Trump has to say. Fuck him. He will be dead in 2020 for sure.

r511 At this point, those point are nothing but pure name recognition, stemming from the fact that he was VP for 8 years.

*points

[quote]Trump's own internal polling showed him most worried about losing to Biden

That internal poll was done in March 2019, before Uncle Joe even announced his campaign. But now.... What a flop he was.

Lauren Hogg:

All I know is that out of everyone up on that stage the only individual who has made a genuine effort to see what they can do to prevent gun violence by talking to survivors including myself is @PeteButtigieg. And that was long before he announced he was running.

Just trust in ourselves, our base, our platform, our vision and go out to vote!!!

Anyone/anything but Trump 2020

Wajahat Ali, NYT/CNN: ‏ After 2 #DemDebate, Harris & Warren emerge as the strongest candidates; Harris bodied Biden, who is totally vulnerable now; Castro is the breakout star; Pete is consistent and solid; Sanders is coming off as one note; Booker + Klobuchar did well enough. Beto deflated; rest done.

[quote] I don't understand the bussing issue?

Harris knows Biden. It was her opportunity to destroy any goodwill Biden might have with black voters because of his association with Obama: (1) Comma-la wanted all black viewers to know that Biden is an old white dude who OPPOSED bussing like all other racist old white dudes, so he doesn't deserve black support. (2) she wanted us to see that Biden lacks empathy, any facility for introspection and the ability to be contrite for his past racism. (3) she wanted us to witness how angry, harsh and unfeeling he is toward a BLACK woman who was aggrieved by racism. He was completely dismissive of her, and she wanted black people (particularly women) to see it.

In this regard, she scored some points tonight and Biden knows it.

After two nights, three likely tickets, in this order: Warren-Castro; Harris-Buttigieg; Biden-Abrams.

Rep. Ted Lieu:

Glad that America is seeing the Kamala Harris that I know: smart, tough, progressive and presidential. @KamalaHarris is rocking the #DemDebate.

r521 I think that's exactly where we are right now.

Biden/Harris is still the ticket and even more likely now. After those fireworks, Biden understands he NEEDS Harris, and she knows Old Joe is only good for one term.

Harris/Castro - at this moment

Mayor Pete is great too, I hope he gets a cabinet post.

For Uncle Joe and Bernie, time to fold and go on holidays like the Obamas.

Marianne Williamson is the only one who can beat Trump because she's going to do it with LOVE!

Only LOVE can defeat hate.

[quote]she wanted us to witness how angry, harsh and unfeeling he is toward a BLACK woman who was aggrieved by racism

Just mention "ANITA HILL"

It will be Harris and some Dem governor. You can't have a multiracial woman and a gay man (even a white one) on the same ticket. The country would have an epileptic seizure. We take incremental change, hence half-black non-threatening Obama. Kamala and some older white governor, same formula with Warren. Kamala checks two social justice boxes as it is.

I knew she would kill it on a debate stage. The DNC is going to regret the 2 debate formula in July because people will now want to see tonight's line up with Warren. It's become a battle of the laddies. You will see Biden continue to lead as Warren take s a hit and Harris comes in 3rd/4th. Pete will go to 6th, Beto will somehow keep supporters, but fall to Booker's level.

Olivia Nuzzi, New York Magazine: ‏ A source close to the Biden campaign tells me his staff is “freaking out” about his poor performance tonight.

^ladies, sorry

[quote]You can't have a multiracial woman and a gay man (even a white one) on the same ticket.

Valid point. Unfortunately the Dem ticket has to appeal to straight male swing voters in the Midwest.

We aren't the voters the Dems need to win over in the General.

r529 IDK why, he improved from his disastrous interview on The View. He really, really, really should have ran in 2016. I can only imagine how toxic everything would have been with Bernie sticking around, Hillary (and woman) thinking it's her time, while joe smiles on. Either way, it's a mess for Biden.

Warren was kinda low energy last night, compared with a firework Kamala tonight.

That conventional wisdom about ticket balance ("let's get a safe white guy who white working class people won't be afraid of..") really worked for Clinton. Buttigieg's status as a war veteran outweighs any negative drag as a gay man.

BIDEN WON STUPIDS. DO YOU REALLY THINK OBAMA WOULD ENDORSE ANYONE BUT HIS OWN CHOICE?

Kamala is my favorite, but I don't think she can win the midwest states of PA, IA and WI. Those states are very white, and I don't see them voting for her. I need to see her consistently beating Trump in the polls in those states before supporting her.

I still think the best ticket is Biden/Harris.

[quote]Buttigieg's status as a war veteran outweighs any negative drag as a gay man.

Look at what they did to John Kerry war veteran.

Biden literally bared his teeth. To think that Harris would ever play second fiddle to him is insane. This is his third run at the presidency. Dude is old, but he never was good for the job. All of my friends hoped we'd never have to vote for him. And now we won't. Neither Bernie.

No OLD WHITE man will be the nominee.

Olivia Nuzzi, New York Magazine:

The source said that internally, field staff says the campaign-organized debate watch parties in early voting states have been “awkward” and that Biden isn’t playing well to those who attended.

According to Biden’s staff, he isn’t listening to his debate prep and he’s “set in his ways,” the source close to the campaign tells me.

It doesn't matter R538. Obama chose Biden.

People who sat out of the 2016 election in PA, MI and WI were mostly black.... So Uncle Joe wouldn't make much impact there anyway. Meanwhile, Kamala is black (black votes) and tough on crime (white votes), so she really doesn't need him.

[quote]John Kerry war veteran

John Kerry was too polite and was too slow in his response. Took him what, 3 days to fight back? What a wimp he was.

R541, Biden is leading with Black voters so far.

That may change after tonight's debate, but Biden's strength with Black voters has kept him in the #1 spot in polls until now.

Harry Enten discussed this earlier:

[quote]There are essentially two graphics I'm looking at. 1. Biden was at 49% with black voters in our CNN polls combining April/May. 2. Biden's support has been so steady at about 30%-33% in part because of number 1. Cause if tonight doesn't shake 1/2... What will?

Obama on a private yacht in Lake Como. He's gone for good. Please stick to who we have now.

In retrospect, this is going to be viewed as a dumb move by Kamala Harris. She just blew up the only sure-shot Democratic ticket for the sake of, what, a few 24-hour news cycles?

And for no good reason: She was performing beautifully in this debate until that moment. As others have pointed out, busing is a dumb hill to die (or kill) on: It has always been controversial and unpopular with all segments of the population.

You're really going to paint Joe Biden as a racist? The man who outperforms every other Dem candidate with black voters by huge margins? The guy who gave Obama so much support?

r534 Hillary chose a bitch-made VP because she didn't want to deal with a strong willed man. Tim Kaine would have said yes man, no man to whatever Hillary wanted. She would dismiss him like one of his disposable Secrete Service Agents. This is why he flopped against Pence in the VP Debate. Just because I said safe, doesn't mean I meant weak.

Also Kaine was chosen because he could speak Spanish and help in VA, both proved useless. Hilary is no politician.

To those of you who thought Pete did well ... really? Were we watching the same debate? He totally botched the police shooting question and came across as chickenshit when he wouldn’t answer why he would or would not fire the police chief. Take a stand, dude. He already had ZERO chance of getting minority votes and this hurt him even more. He would be poison as the Democrat presidential or VP candidate. I’d love to see a high-ranking gay in the administration but he has screwed himself.

Agree with R546. Hillary's campaign was too arrogant and irrational.

And Kamala needed to go for broke tonight. And she won. That's how a political fight played out in real life, girls. Hillary should have done the same to Bernie 3 years ago.

Former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm (a Dem) on CNN just now: "The busing issue is 40 years old. And Biden's point, then, was that you have to build up schools where children are and live. You see it in his education plan now – he's tripling funding. I'm not a surrogate for Joe Biden. All I'm saying is, we'll see how a 40-year-old issue plays out when the polls come through."

R486 Sigourney Weaver already did! LOL

Find that all encompassing LOVE that lets you say, hey Trump get out of my FUCKING WHITE HOUSE!

It seems like the strategy by Harris and Swalwell was to paint Biden and Pete as racist (thus Pete's death stare). Which is hardly the case for either one, and a real shitty thing to pull on a fellow democrat knowing that this shit will be reused by Republicans in the General.

We learned nothing from Bernie's protracted, futile character assassination of Hillary in the 2016 primary.

Why make the Repugs think up their own attacks against Democrats when we'll just cook them up ourselves and hand them over?

[quote]a real shitty thing to pull on a fellow democrat knowing that this shit will be reused by Republicans in the General.

And they didn't know this shit? Better used this shit right here right now than in October 2020.

[quote] People who sat out of the 2016 election in PA, MI and WI were mostly black.... So Uncle Joe wouldn't make much impact there anyway. Meanwhile, Kamala is black (black votes) and tough on crime (white votes), so she really doesn't need him.

True. Biden without Harris is a rerun of HRC in 2016. He needs her. His campaign knows his support among black voters is no more significant than HRC's was in 2016.

Kamala started her statement saying that she didn't think Biden was a racist. She was calling out the pain that was caused by his policy position for people of color. It's completely different then calling him a racist.

[quote]I'm black and far, far from sexist or racist but she comes across as unfriendly. I'm visiting my 70 year old black mother, who has voted in every election since she could vote. We watched the election together and she asked why does Kamala always come across as so angry. She still likes Biden and now she likes Pete.

Hahaha haha! Dude you're fooling no one. What a liar. HaHa!

When there were only two candidates, it was really stupid to go for the jugular of each other. But when there are 20, you need to cull the senile and the inept.

Unfortunately, R555, that distinction is already totally lost, even on the journalists and commentators who are covering the debate.

[R43], I am deducting points from Kamala's team (and others) for tweeting that there was a little girl who was "bussed" to school when she was "bused." Bussed = kissed, which Biden doesn't have a history of opposing.

[R250], I saw Williamson and Hickenlooper make a very quick exit from the stage -- I think Hickenlooper even tripped over his own feet he was in such a hurry -- but Biden stayed, with Mayor Pete and others approaching him to shake hands. He then spent a considerable amount of time talking to and taking pictures with audience members from up there.

Kirsten's caterwauling is a real turn off. That and all the pandering for women with the Al Franken episode has sunk her boat for me.

Also not getting great vibes from "Man of the People" Joe. Has he been in the game so long that he's lost the touch refusing to answer press questions, mingle with the regular folk and rent homes for 20,000USD/month? It seems like people think he's the "safe" candidate because he's from the past. Newsflash! Despite cultural nostalgia for it, falling back on the past many SERIOUSLY wound this country. Following Trump/McConnell, there's no going back to "the way things were".

Bold, dynamism and yet paradoxically calm steering may be necessary for what lies ahead.

Although Marianne has NO chance for the presidency, props for her expanding the discussion, withstanding the NZ joke.

Yang, also.

Kamala may appear slick, but seems calculated with political incisiveness. Could see her replacing Barr; but not as Pres.

Pete has potential; but see many hurdles involving youth, big government experience, his personal preferences and minority vote.

Appreciate Beto's and Bernie's heartfelt passion. But don't see either capable of handling the helm as pres.

So far, Warren seems to have the alchemy of qualities which may be able to navigate new and treacherous waters: especially with the courts/congress/government imbued with characters of questionable ethics. Is the USA forward thinking enough to elect its first woman?

Inslee, though trailing, may have potential.

Bennett?

Sense we need a strong, stable guide who is familar with the system, but has fresh options. We're at a fulcrum point in this county's history. This may be one of the most important elections ever as we dismantle a withering, corrupt system and transform it.

A dream team for this transformation could involve most all the players in various roles by acknowledging and utilizing their strengths e.g.

Castro/Beto - immigration

Booker - housing

Joe and Bernie - advisory roles

Pete/Tulsi - foreign service

Yang - tech/business

Even Marianne for (Kuchinch's idea of) a Department of Peace and Diplomacy. As long as she leaves the flat jokes aside, could see her working in NZ with her "girlfriend", Jacinda!

Appreciate last night's camradarie. Not sure about tonight's food fight. Ha.

No to Tulsi, R560.

She used to work for an anti-gay organization.

She does not deserve a position.

Kamala is so smart, she connects everything with "working common people" because likely voters don't care for immigrants, for debt-ridden students nor for trans. I know this is a harsh reality for many progressive liberals. Just win the election on issues people really care, and then you can tackle progressive issues thereafter.

Apart from Uncle Joe and Bernie, Michael Bennet, John Hickenlooper, Kirsten Gillibrand, Marianne Williamson, Andrew Yang -- bumbling fools, please stop embarrasing yourself and families and please go home.

Something is very wrong with Bennet's tongue. Too big for his mouth?

Kamala has the energy and stamina for the long game. Hillary has brains, not stamina.

r342, I thought Castro broke through. I never gave him a second look but now I'm interested in hearing what he has to say.

[quote]I'm black and far, far from sexist or racist but she comes across as unfriendly. I'm visiting my 70 year old black mother, who has voted in every election since she could vote. We watched the election together and she asked why does Kamala always come across as so angry. She still likes Biden and now she likes Pete.

You're black?

So why would you say you're not "racist" since you're talking about another black person?

As much as I hate GIFs

r366, You know I don't believe you. I don't know if it's that you are black or that your mother watched and actually said these things. From that debate she is turned off by Kamala and now likes Pete. Really? No. *shakes head*

Kamala Harris - A Star Is Born

[quote]His eyelid actually twitched towards the end

He was remembering having to service all those big, dudebro dicks that he served with.

[qiote]the majority of the Democrats aren't very liberal... about 19% identify as very liberal. Whether it's Joe or not, it will be very bad for us if the nominee is too far left.

I think many voters will find Kamala to be a good compromise between very-moderate Joe Biden and very-liberal Elizabeth Warren.

Kamala had to twist the truth before she could win. No thanks. Biden got into politics because he hated the racism he saw in our country, now vicious liars make him seem like the leader of the kKk.

Love you Uncle Joe,

Lovingly,

K

*kiss kiss*

It was gross. Most everyone was just really angry and negative. Talking over each other. Gillibrand was among the worst.

Totally besides the point, but Kamala is a great looking woman. 54 years old, so incredibly accomplished and still in the prime of her life. I would love to see her be the Nominee and next president. Don't give me a black woman can't ever get elected crap. Kamala's background, family and personal history, her incredible resume and supporters tick ALL the boxes. The only woman who couldn't get elected president was Hillary Clinton. Twice. Hillary AND Obama are both bigger fans of Kamala than they are of OLD MAN RIVER JOE.

So you keep saying, over and over and over again, r572. You're the one who keeps twisting the truth, bitch.

I believe Marianne Williamson has good intentions but there were times during the debate when I felt like a resurrected Gilda Radner was on stage doing a new character...the stoned spiritual guru with a good blow out running for President.

Mayor Pete killed it! -- calm, measured, composed, seamless answers to everything.

So free health care for undocumented migrants? Wow, generous.

The UK can do it, why can't the USA?

GPs vote to stop charging overseas NHS patients - and call it racist

DOCTORS have voted to stop billing overseas patients for NHS treatments - but those who oppose the move argue opening the NHS free to foreigners is a stretch on already cash-strapped resources.

Pete! I agree with him most.

So no copays? Unlimited health care for migrants?

America is so fucking rich...👍

Can we have 2 vice president nominees? I really can't pick one right now.

Will that MedyCaring for all get me a set of teefs as white as a Klansman's hood like that Delewaren fellers?

Yang's mic was shut off. I understand his website has a lot of info on what he wants to do and he is very close to having enough funds to be in the next debate.

The book hawker who is running so she can become known for her books and make more sales got more questions than Yang.

I find it very disappointing that so many are ready to write someone off when they haven't even been heard.

The book hawker and Kirsten need to go. They are both top notch bitches.

Why can't politicians follow the rules? why do they have to shout over each other? what does that even accomplish?

I forgot to add that MSNBC is owned by Comcast who just happens to be supporting Biden. I am sick of these news stations. There is no news anymore it's just every assholes opinion. If a station is holding a debate they should not be allowed to support anyone. News stations have become so biased and it is at the point where is getting hard to trust them because they are always pushing their own agenda.

R586, yeah, NBC News was despicable for turning off Yang's mic. CNN will probably do the same in July. He'll need to get used to yelling.

[quote]So free health care for undocumented migrants? Wow, generous.

They already have health care. If an undocumented immigrant enters emergency they must be treated. Talk to Ronald Reagan....

Oh thanks for letting me know, r589. It's indeed generous. America is filthy rich.

At least some of america . .

[quote] It's indeed generous.

You're welcome, R590. But, I don't know if I would call it generous but I think more humane is more appropriate. But, that's one of the issues of why our healthcare is sooooo expensive. You have far too uninsured many (and that's way more than undocumented workers) who have to resort to the emergency room.

[quote]America is filthy rich.

And yet, over 3/4's of the rest of the world has universal healthcare for their citizens. Have lower healthcare costs. Now, many have longer life expectancy. Bernie's right here. This doesn't make sense

I'm amused anyone thinks the mythical debate with Trump will change anything.

The country won't turn on that. It knows who he is. I know you're hungry for the lily pond but it will mean fuck all.

The change, if any, will come down to platform and belief a resonant candidate will deliver better.

Whether Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren or Mayor Pete or Uncle Joe can wipe the floor with the fool in the White House doesn't much matter. Good theater but little else.

The media has a hard on this morning because they got a kill moment. We're all falling into the same traps again.

[quote]Whether Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren or Mayor Pete or Uncle Joe can wipe the floor with the fool in the White House doesn't much matter. Good theater but little else. The media has a hard on this morning because they got a kill moment. We're all falling into the same traps again.

BRAVO!!! Standing ovation!!! There are too many caught up with the entertainment rather than the substance. Look... Kamala, had a GREAT night--however, if someone pounces on her team having a whole marketing campaign ready 30 seconds after having a good line, it's going to blow up. That was just stupid!

Biden held his own but he should be on all of these morning talk shows. If it grows that he's cranky, won't listen to staff, etc and that holds... he's done.

Mayor Pete had a good night but I saw his inexperience rear his head.

Bernie should be upset. He's getting lost in all of this.

Warren should be thankful that she got that first night! The country got to see HER.

Some others too. But, I thought last night's debate wasn't good. It just caused more campaigns to think of their strategic position. I think the voters lost last night.

the voters lose every night

Once again the media is busy electing the next president, which is about as good for the country as the electoral college.

Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump

I am in Japan at the G-20, representing our Country well, but I heard it was not a good day for Sleepy Joe or Crazy Bernie. One is exhausted, the other is nuts - so what’s the big deal?

This is actually one of the more effective tweets by Trump. He's hammering Joe already and trying to stick him with a narrative. Biden's team isn't serving him well. Biden NEEDED to be on "Morning Joe" this morning! They already got Mayor Peter, Kamala, amd Gillibrand (who is much better in interviews than a debate)

you really can't have a debate with all 10 people talking over each other. All mics should be shut off except for the person being asked a question. Then they should be shut off when their time is up. Every person should be asked the same question and it should go down the line. This way we may actually learn something.

[quote]All mics should be shut off except for the person being asked a question.

That, plus no audience.

Kathy Griffin going after Pete on Twitter. I can't anymore with her, I'm sorry.

[quote]That, plus no audience.

I've become a big supporter of having no audiences. They're not listening. It's more about helping their candidate come across well on television. They should end audience participation

I wish most of those people would drop out.

When I listen to Kamala’s voice tone and inflection, I get shades of Lieutenant Anita Van Buren,