Can’t we just call it the LGB community?

I totally agree. If you can't get on board with LGB then start your own group, design your own flag, organize your own march down main street. Have at it. For me, Gay Pride is about celebrating our freedom to love someone of our same sex. Now, more than ever, we need to be clear about this message.

It's too ingrained now - I think we are stuck with them, unfortunately. :(

OMG yes! I’ve been saying this forever. I think it’s time for a split within the movement. We have nothing in common with Trans. Not that they are like pedophiles, but when NAMBLA wanted to join our powerful gay movement and ride our coattails, we flat out denied them. It lessens our credibility whenever we water down our group.

This post is LITERALLY KILLING TRANS WOMEN OF COLOR!!!!!

SHUT. IT. DOWN!!!!!!!

Pease be a parody, R4. Please.

R5 - NO! I don’t think you understand! No one wishes harm against trans women, there’s just a significant group that thinks they should have their own movement.

Agree

It would be nice OP, but you know how people are these days. Everybody's got to have their little slice of the pie.

I don’t actually get why Trans was automatically put in with LGB. It has just as much affinity to heterosexual. To be fair, when it was your traditional trans (as trans had been for decades) I had absolutely no issue with LGBT. But it’s all these other bullshit letters they are now adding.

The term they really need to add is ‘Dull’. Most of these new labels are created for people who are plain looking and with dull personalities, who think wearing some garment of the opposite gender, dying their hair blue, and shouting a lot makes them interesting. Who are these Dull people kidding, you’re not special, you’re not interesting and creating an ‘identity’ for yourself via gender politics doesn’t give you looks or personality.

I agree with you completely OP! I've been saying this ever since the madness/faddish bullshit started. Back in the day, the T stood for many interpretations. It is all so very different now, and the LGB part of the equation is paying the price. Time to splinter off and let them have their own thing. Hell, why not? They don't need us anymore. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they feel we drag them down with our wicked, wicked ways.

I hope this thread does not get zapped as they so often do. Let's get our opinions posted while we can.

B needs to go as well. It always needed to go. We don't need any of them. A lot of gay people are still blind to the severe fuckery they let in by allowing the other letters to invade. Most bisexuals come and go when they please and don't fight for anything. They are just as bad, and they turn gay men and lesbian women into hypnotised slaves. Only those of us who are truly authentic and strong, will one day get BTQ+ out for good!

You’re not wrong, R11

So happy to find out I’m not alone in this thinking!! We need to recruit an empathetic, eloquent writer to convey that gays and lesbians are no longer interested in being lumped in with Trans/queers/ questioning individuals. We are men that love MEN! And women that love WOMEN!! I’m busy enough with my own movement towards acceptance. I don’t need to take on trans/bi/questioning rights!

Can’t you just support ANY citizen who is denied equal rights and opportunities for some bullshit reason that doesn’t matter?

Why do you need to attack trannies, if you’re not some raging, fascist bigot who wants to force everyone to be exactly like you?

OP = The DL Resident Tranny Cyberstalker.

I don’t know HOW you survive if all you do is complain about trannies all day long.

Are you paid by Russian or conservative action committees to divide liberal coalitions for ulterior purposes? Because your obsession is irrational.

GET A JOB, get a life and GO AWAY!

There's a lot of overlap between the trolls who start these threads and trolls on political threads, R14. Sometimes they even use the same fake stories on an anti trans thread and an anti Democratic Party thread. They're obviously alt-righties and there's no reasoning with them, you just have to put them on ignore.

As to whether they get paid, who knows. About a week or 10 days ago I saw one of these trolls had posted about 70 times in one thread over the course of 14 hours. They may just be unemployed or some crazy cube dweller who's on the phone all day, driving their co-workers crazy.

R14 - I don’t think it’s fair to call out people for failing to “support any citizen denied equal rights.” We are busy with our own lives, families of choice, and furthering our cause. They (trans) can further their own. We could be some much further without them dragging us down.

[quote]gays and lesbians are no longer interested in being lumped in with Trans/queers/ questioning individuals

That's entirely untrue and only someone who isn't in the community would say so. Anyone who spends even a few minutes a day with the online gay community would know that there is no real fissure between the groups. But if the only exposure you have to the community is DL, you'd think it was full-on war between everyone and the poor beleaguered gays.

Even the anti-trans trolls on Twitter are almost all straight white middle aged women from the UK, and you only rarely see someone identifying as a gay man in the comments. When you do, they sound a LOT like our own trolls, complete with tweets about "I'm tired of Mexicans taking our jobs" and "Trump hasn't been given a fair chance" and "London has been overtaken by sharia law."

R14, this was the first time ever I said anything about transgenders, so I’m not sure what you’re going on about.

Note I never refer to transgenders as “trannies”, unlike you.

[quote]bisexuals ... turn gay men and lesbian women into hypnotised slaves

Absolute insanity.

But congratulations on learning how to post without your username, Gap Guy. Looks like you took the good advice you were given after all.

R17 you’d be surprised how many gay men and lesbian women don’t want to be lumped in with the transgender ‘community’ when it comes to advancing the rights of LGB’s

[quote] gays and lesbians are no longer interested in being lumped in with Trans/queers/ questioning individuals

[quote] That's entirely untrue and only someone who isn't in the community would say so.

I am a gay man and part of the community. I don't like being lumped in with the trans/queers/etc. I have no trans friends. I don't think they should be persecuted but I don't have anything in common with them and many of the trans people I have met have seemed mentally damaged. I can barely remember people's names the idea of remembering to call them by a pronoun other than he or she is absurd.

I would NEVER say this publicly. I would only say this to very close friends (who mostly agree) because I don't want to be labeled as transphobic.

[quote]you’d be surprised how many gay men and lesbian women don’t want to be lumped in with the transgender ‘community’ when it comes to advancing the rights of LGB’s

I'm aware of how few there are. The petition got a whole 3200 signatures after days of media coverage. Most comments on anti-T Twitter, Reddit, Mumsnet, the various blogs etc. are from posters who identify as women. The only two specifically gay forums with anti-T posts are Datalounge and the now-defunct forum that the petition guy Clayton helped start, and many posters on both forums openly identify as straight men or straight women who are "concerned."

You said all gays and lesbians are now demanding they be separated from trans issues, but you can't point to a single large, noteworthy organization or forum or blog with a significant number of gays who have expressed this concern, let alone show all gays want this.

L, B and G are about sexualities T is about gender

Two very different things, two very different causes.

R22 where did I say “all lesbians and gays are now demanding..”. Are you fake news?

Ah, R21 is bringing the old "everyone believes exactly as I do but we're all too scared to say so."

If a large number of gays were anti trans, we'd have heard about it by now. You would have rallied behind the petition, organized somewhere online, something like that. This has been going on here at DL since 2014, and on other forums for years before that. In five years, you haven't achieved anything. You mean to tell me there are so many of you and you're all so concerned that you can't even find one person willing to put their name and face to this movement you claim exists? Come on now. In a world with a dozen Milo types, you'd have organized somewhere with your concerns and gotten just one spokesperson. If you really thought your entire community was being erased, that kids were dying and committing suicide by the thousands, you'd have DONE SOMETHING.

R21 - Same here! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree!! I also have experience with some trans women and I’ve never known “crazy” like them. I don’t blame them for being damaged, but have tried to connect and found that I don’t have a single thing in common with them. There are many of us gays (I would ponder up to half) that feel this way but are frightened to say anything publicly.

R17, The reason they are mostly straight white middle aged women complaining about Trans in the U.K., is because that’s the demographic who are having to deal with the school issue. It’s becoming a minefield in the U.K. There is tons of ‘trans’ and ‘gender’ education happening and schools are embracing children being ‘gender fluid’. However, if the parents don’t go along with it they get called in etc.

For the Mums net set it’s a massive subject, because it represents schools and councils overriding parents views or child rearing.

Totally agree. But who gets to keep the Pride flag?

[quote]where did I say “all lesbians and gays are now demanding..”. Are you fake news?

Maybe you just repeated what an earlier poster said about gays and lesbians not wanting to be "lumped in" with trans, maybe you're the same person repeating yourself on a different browser, who knows.

I quoted the people I was replying to. It's easy enough to follow.

But maybe not so easy for someone who calls another person a "fake news."

[quote] If you really thought your entire community was being erased, that kids were dying and committing suicide by the thousands, you'd have DONE SOMETHING.

I actually don't care THAT much. But no I have nothing to do with trans people. I think they're mentally ill. I'm a dude who likes dudes.

r22, there are forums at Reddit, pages on Facebook, and a ton of gay men and lesbians on Twitter who are vocally calling for a truly balanced conversation regarding the trans ideology and how it has negatively affected gay culture, history and youth. Sadly, the main organizations such as HRC and GLAAD have been taken over by the T (consider this irony: the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation is now co-chaired by an autogynephile straight man) and, due to their influence with the media, those of us in the gay/lesbian community who speak out against the more extreme elements of transgenderism are condemned as right-wing bigots, despite the fact that our arguments come from a classically leftist perspective -- after all, there's nothing more conservative than demanding that people conform to traditional concepts of "gender", and if they don't, then that automatically makes them the opposite.

R30 - Absolutely right. This board is 90% men who love MEN. I don’t know why some of these posters expect us to support trans folk. I’m all for fair and equal treatment of all non violent people, but I will not ever give energy or defend trans people. I feel absolutely no connection to them and resent the comparison.

Serious question, why didn't trans women appeal to women's groups?

I get that there is the whole trauma about biological women having body parts the trans women don't but women's rights aren't about women's anatomy (for the most part) it's about the discrimination against women by society and the power structure that governs it. Anyone presenting as female or feminine (because fem gays get catch shit too) gets some hostility directed at them for that presentation. That is not a gay or trans thing, it's a female rights thing.

Clayton, if there were tons of gays behind you, you wouldn't have had a forum that got overrun by pro-pedo alt-right psychopaths. Your forum would have been full of anti-trans gay men using usernames instead of their real names.

And as I said, I've seen the anti-trans talk on Twitter and Reddit. There are not a "ton." The ones who do post anti-trans stuff also post anti-immigrant, racist, sexist, pro-Trump stuff, by and large. Most of the replies on GenderCritical, GenderTrnder, etc. are from women, and even here on DL they will identify as straight middle-aged women.

You don't have the support. The phantom fear of GLAAD, I dunno, forcing you to wear a scarlet T or something and ruining your life forever is irrational. Even the worst Trumpsters don't get their lives ruined by saying shit in public. They get dunked on, maybe two or three a year get fired, but then they're fine.

If the vet who shot pet cats with arrows is fine, you'd be fine. Go ahead, Clayton. Speak out, start that big organization that "tons" of gays believe in.

R33 - respectable women’s groups would never accept those freaks!

R14 They’re the ones attacking us. Are you really paying that little attention?

LGB are all sexualities and T is about gender presentation. We have different goals and different desires that do all come down to wanting respect and rights, but that’s what all social interest groups boil down to.

It’s not discrimination or a sign of hate to acknowledge that our struggle and our fight is different than that of transgender people and they would be better suited to a movement of their own.

You're welcome to call it anything you want. The rest of the world is under no obligation to go along with you, nor will they. People like you have been beating this drum for at least the last four years now. It's long past time for you to give up your obsession and move on.

[quote]If you can't get on board with LGB then start your own group, design your own flag, organize your own march down main street. Have at it.

It's the other way around. If you can't get on board with LGBT, then start your own group, design your own flag, organize your own march down main street. Have at it. We all know how that will turn out.

At the end of this Pride Month we need to take a hard look at what has happened. There are so many splinter groups celebrating their pride, when they have nothing to do with us. The death knell is sounding for Gay Pride. This is what happens when others attach to us like bloodsuckers.

Time for a reset.

GAY+ could be the ticket. Not looking to omit the lesbians, but trying to avoid the ridiculousness of alphabet soup.

GAY+ would tacitly include all of the smaller groups because there’s strength in numbers, but I bet the Trans would splinter off and form their own group. Thankfully.

"Can’t you just support ANY citizen who is denied equal rights and opportunities for some bullshit reason that doesn’t matter?"

Sure, R14, but what does that have to do with gay rights? Nothing.

The die was cast when we added the “L” and then put it out front. We should have just let “Gay” stand for everyone.

[quote]Sure, [R14], but what does that have to do with gay rights? Nothing.

People facing discrimination for non-conformity to traditional gender roles are stronger together. We were happy to have the trans energy and time and money when we were fighting for our rights. Now that the gays have got most of the acceptance they fought for, jettisoning the trans community is like betraying an ally in wartime.

“The ‘Alphabet Soup’ community.”

The number of WWs should put to rest the notion that this is the work of trolls.

I want the 'Q' to go away. No one knows quite wtf it means. Queer? Queasy? If it's 'Questioning' how long to you "question" before you have to make a decision?

Next up they'll add 'F' for "fluid".

Let's just boil it all down to just: "G"

Gay men are gay. Lesbians are gay. Despite what bisexuals say, they're gay too. Transsexuals are gay. The Q (questioning) folks are good gawd definitely gay; they're just not out yet.

I don't buy any of this non-binary, sexually fluid blah, blah, blah nonsense. They're gay too! Everyone is gay!

Trans are NOT gay.

MtT are just men who play with gender identity. It has nothing to do with sexual preference.

"We were happy to have the trans energy and time and money when we were fighting for our rights."

When was that, exactly?

Never gonna happen. It’s LGBT and queer.

[quote]When was that, exactly?

When writers took over for historians.

Trans are generally poor and homeless. We don’t need all of their “money” to further the gay agenda! When gay men ourselves are looking down on the trans community, how can we expect the straights to get on board? We need to let them fight their own battles.

F&F, OP, as usual.

If you can't bring your delicate, fragile oh-so-snowflakey self to be inclusive, start your own special little TERF group or fuck off and die in a grease fire. Those are your options. The rest of us are fine with including the T in GLBT.

What we're not fine with is your never-ending bullshit, whining, complaining, abusing trannies, trying to force gay men to think like dumb, paranoid fucking TERFs and being shocked, SHOCKED! when we don't and won 't.

Seriously, just die. Nobody wants you, nobody needs you, you are not useful to the human race, you're surplus to requirements and free to go.

R52 - I’m on OPs side of this argument, but I don’t believe the term “trannies” is acceptable anymore. Dude have some respect or you won’t be taken seriously.

This thread is in support of eliminating transgender folks from other gay agenda. If you’re pro-trans, then start another thread.

[quote] Can’t you just support ANY citizen who is denied equal rights and opportunities for some bullshit reason that doesn’t matter?

Yes. But what rights are transgender individuals being denied?

A dozen likes on DL doesn't mean anything even if it's from 12 individual people.

We have a guy who posts repeatedly that blacks aren't human and Africa should be nuked, and he gets likes, plus the FFs apparently don't even work on him. Upvotes and downvotes don't mean much of anything.

I agree that if you guys really do have the numbers you should start a movement. Instead of coming here and telling the trans (who don't even post here) to start one.

I already DO!

I don't share a cultural same sex affinity with those suffering from gender dysmorphia and their fantasy world.

[quote]This thread is in support of eliminating transgender folks from other gay agenda. If you’re pro-trans, then start another thread.

We brook no dissent here!

Fuck off R54! I'll post in any thread I want and if you don't like it, stop infesting our gay men's website you paranoid fucking bigoted TERF, or just kill yourself. Nobody needs you and your shit. Also, I have been on the Datalounge for more than 20 years. I'll use any thread in any way that I see fit. Don't like it, ladies? Fuck off and die. Start your own site.

R53, I have used the term "trannie" for decades and I will continue to do so. Don't like it? Die in a grease fire, babe.

Jeez this thread is all over the place. Dump the trans AND the bi AND the lesbians?

The only people that would benefit would be GOP scum. What next, separate each and every minority into tiny subgroups?

The TERFs have no money and no power. They have no political influence. They have nothing. They don't even have their own website, nobody wants to host a site for a bunch of nasty, bigoted old ladies. They're so rancid and filled with hate-speech that they get banned everywhere but here.

Whatever that white supremacist site is, the one where the neo Nazis go these days, that's about the only site that will accept these TERF cunts. Tells you exactly who they are and where their ideas belong.

Why would anyone be so pressed over trans people, dissing them or defending them? Am I bad for not giving a flying fuck?

No, R62, until the TERFs showed up we never discussed trannies here, let alone abused and attacked them dozens of times a day in an obsessive manner.

There are some people Muriel needs to ban. We're waiting. It will happen eventually, the Prancing Ponies went on for years and they either silenced themselves on that subject or they were banned. But it took years. We're getting to that point with the TERFs. They can't seem to take the hint when Muriel shuts down their appalling threads.

The thing is that all you have to do is say "stop spamming the site with hateful shit about trans" and you're accused of being a rabid trans activist who wants to censor all wrongthink.

A lot of what you call "defending" trans is just people saying "live and let live and stop being an asshole".

Yup, R64, not to mention telling them to stop trying to inject their bigotry into threads that have absolutely nothing to do with any transgender issues.

Also to the people who say the idiot straights will think gay = trans, all I can say is you must be young as hell if you don't remember that we were always lumped in with trans up until the 1990s. Everyone thought if you were gay it meant you loved wearing dresses and you "acted like a woman."

If anything it seems like people today understand the difference more than they used to.

[quote]I agree that if you guys really do have the numbers you should start a movement.

They don't, not even here, although they've been trying for years. It's a very small but oh so obsessed group that engages in endless circle jerks about how wonderfully brave they are for standing up to the "transtapo."

Most of DL leaves them alone, as there isn't any point in engaging in a discussion with them. They're incapable of learning, incapable of a rational discussion.

[quote]The number of WWs should put to rest the notion that this is the work of trolls.

Not at all. We already know about you obsessed loons. Nothing has changed; it's still the same small group of people posting the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

Your spamming and trolling routinely gets your threads locked or deleted. Smarter people might have figured out why by now.

But, as previously discussed, these TERFs are a dumb bunch of cunts. Seriously delusional, obsessive, narcissistic, probably very lonely, it's a fucking mess. And they literally stay here because they get run off everywhere else for being so fucking awful. They use a lot of multiple browsers to "up their W&W counts, that's how pathetic and desperate they are, there are fewer actual people than their incessant thread creation and pollution implies.

What few there are are brokeass bitches who won't pay for their own site. They'd rather steal ours. I don't always bother engaging with them but if I'm in a fucking cunty mood, as I am today, then sometimes I will, just to fuck with them. I don't care why they hate trannies. I don't hate trannies and I'm not going to start hating them due to the ridiculous, insane rantings of these TERFs.

I want Muriel to get rid of them and someday she will. She always pulls through, eventually.

This is who I am, you paranoid cunts, and this is who I've always been. I don't use multiple browsers. I'm not a tranny. I just loathe and despise you, as I believe I have made quite clear on several occasions.

R59 - I’m not as ancient as your haggard dried up ass; what is a TERF?

R70, sweetie, don't stress yourself. If I wanted to buy your 30-something ass, I would do so but why bother when there are so many 20-somethings you can't afford.

A TERF is a recently coined term for a woman, usually an old lesbian, usually a radical feminist (but not always on either count), who hates and fears trannies. The letters stand for something, Transgender Exclusionary something Female? I don't know and I don't really care, the point is their irrational and obsessive hatred of trannies.

It's a deeply held bigotry that is impervious to logic, rational discussion, humor, anger and utter despair at their intransigence and stupid prejudice. They inject it into every conversation, in every Datalounge thread, in the crudest and dumbest of ways. I don't know if they are even aware of their obsessive, intrusive, unwelcome behavior on our Gay men's website. If so, they are too narcissistic to care.

They are a cancer on the Datalounge and eventually Muriel will deal with them.

R71 - thanks for the response, cunt! I must admit, you’re feisty and it amuses me. But my god, why on earth would a fucking “old lesbian radical feminist” come here to the DL? Burn them all with fire! At least we can agree on that! 😘

To be honest, most of the anti-trans loons aren't lesbian, nor are they female. They're obsessed male posters who keep trying to tell the women here just how afraid and horrified they should be.

[quote]People facing discrimination for non-conformity to traditional gender roles are stronger together.

Um, people trans because they want to [italic][bold]conform[/bold][/italic] to gender sex roles, not to be liberated from them.

T [italic][bold] strengthens[/bold][/italic]gender conformity. It says that if a boy likes the color pink, or playing with baby dolls, then he is actually a girl...and should be chemically castrated (and sterilized) like Jazz Jennings.

The Ts have done *nothing* for gays & lesbians. Hell, they closed down MichFest.

Clayton, so good to see you authenticated. I’m the lesbian who worked with you online re: the truly wonderful petition you wrote years ago. I saw how you were bullied & censored by not only Gay, Inc., but also change dot org & google. I will not let anyone revise what you did for gay rights.

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R59, “terf” is a slur. So is “queer.”

This has been a pretty good thread so far. Thanks, bitches.

R61 clearly hates women. Pretty much sums up the T agenda, & why so many rad fems say they actually a men’s rights group.

R67, “circle jerk” is a porn thing. TRAs are really into porn. Women, not so much.

Transwomen are men. Leopards can’t change their spots.

I saw a person on the bus today. Sex and/or gender undecipherable. Exceptionally unattractive, which it exacerbated with tattoos on the shaved left half of its skull. Wore a t-shirt that said "I LOVE WOMEN AND CIS WOMEN."

R72 is Dana Rivers posting from jail.

Who is Dana Rivers?

r82 Psycho Killer, qu'est-ce que c'est.

[quote]“circle jerk” is a porn thing.

There's this concept called a "metaphor" that I'd like to introduce you to.

I hate the letters to begin with. Let's stick with "gay & lesbian" and be done with it. The bi folks & the trannies can fend for themselves. As for the "questioning", we'll let them in after they've made up their minds and made the right decision.

Just Say Gay.

I most definitely think we’re headed that way (R85 and R86.) We’ve come to the limit of alphabet letters we can add before no one takes us seriously. I don’t even attend pride festivities any more. Something has to change. Gay men and women unite!!

We may have needed all the freaks and outliers before, but gays have gone mainstream. Time to leave the trans and questioning folks behind.

R84, please don’t, sicko.

Oh, don't worry, R89; I wouldn't want to challenge your tiny, closed-off mind. Heaven forfend!

Yes please

We need to stop the transsies!!

I'd rather drop the radical lesbians aka The Dour Sisters on an Endless Loop.

That's it! It's radical, Transgender Exclusionary Radical Feminist, hereinafter TERF. And R72, I have no fucking idea why a bunch of brokeass old TERFs would park their fat asses on our website. Actually I do, one of the dumb cunts even referenced it a minute ago - Michfest. We made fun of Michfest for years (do a google search, the threads still hold up) and they have no discernible sense of humor so they resented it. They now think they have some right of refuge here, they don't.

They are uninvited, unwelcome, man-hating cunts. The La Brea Tar Pits are too good for them.

LG v. QT

What will happen?!?

F&F OP. What a hateful thread.

It's no different than any of their other threads, R95. Welcome to the land of the divisive bigots. Thankfully, they're so ignorant, so obviously bigoted, such ridiculous drama queens, they never get any traction here. It wouldn't surprise me to find this thread being locked at some point.

[quote] We may have needed all the freaks and outliers before, but gays have gone mainstream.

See? This is the callous narcissism, that using and discarding behavior they exhibit. It's that not really giving a fuck about other people thing they do. That "othering" the other guy they do. Sick cunts.

We're all still freaks and outliers and we're not kicking anybody to the curb. Don't like it? Too bad, fuck off and die and get your own TERF thing going. We don't need your hatefulness and hate speech and rank fucking bigotry 'round here.

Bravo, r97. Fuck the bigots.

I wonder if this thread is mostly just the OP? I wouldn't put it past him (and we know who you are, OP).

FF r95.

I don't know, R99, I'm authenticating (which I don't normally bother with) just to make a point.

Real Dataloungers, old timers, non-trannies (as well as others), find these hags with their incessant whining and attacks on trannies to be exactly the kind of scum sucking pigs we do not embrace.

They aren't wanted here, just as they aren't wanted anywhere else and they are too fucked up to notice or care. They need their own bigoted site. Even Nazis, and no one is dumber than Nazis, seem able to manage having a website.

I think this thread was started by, and is mostly, a certain troll who can never contain his hatred of trans.

There's one male in with the TERFs, allegedly, the twat who started that petition in England, the fucking cunt. They won't have him on websites over there. Nigel Cunting Farage wouldn't even have him.

Asexual Trans Non Binary Latinx Sex Workers of Color are certainly welcome at the table.

R104 gurl, bye.

Someone recently commented on the futility of creating a group comprised of people whose primary common attribute is that no one else really wants them.

They'll turn on each other sooner or later, if they haven't already done so. TERFs do nothing but argue and cause trouble.

[quote]I wonder if this thread is mostly just the OP?

Given the number of anti-T accounts who post with their usernames, I'd say it's a concerted effort to make them look like they have big numbers in their ranks.

That said, I saw a LOT of people with usernames and paid DL accounts trolling in political threads recently, too. I suspect the situation right now is that everyone with a troll account on multiple browsers just created a separate username per browser.

I suggested this in the Gap Guy thread where he claimed he was being harassed, but in reality he'd been spamming anti-T threads with "bisexuals are more evil than trans" crap, and someone called me nefarious. But how exactly do you think we get so many trolls who all happen to show up in a thread at once? Regular DLers who were just routinely awful people would stumble across threads at different times of the day, not all within 30 minutes of each other.

[quote]I have no fucking idea why a bunch of brokeass old TERFs would park their fat asses on our website. Actually I do, one of the dumb cunts even referenced it a minute ago - Michfest.

fuckoff, I agree with much of what you write about these anti-trans, and yes there are so-called TERFs all over these threads, but they're not aging radfems. They're not, I promise you. There are women who use Michfest as an example of how trans ruin everything, but the Michfesters themselves blame gays and lesbians who wanted to be part of the mainstream for the end of the fest.

They would not be here claiming to care about gay erasure. They would be here blaming all gays for the invasion of the evil trans.

Remember the ladies we used to get in 2014 and 2015 who DID blame the gays, saying we "let them in and destroyed the entire community" because we "care too much about being mainstream and courting popular trends"? THEY may very well have been Michfest-style radfems. But we don't get them anymore, they moved on pretty quickly.

What a load of bullshit.

"other things being equal, simpler explanations are generally better than more complex ones"

There are either a couple of possessed radfem TERFS cleverly changing their location and ISP address to try to TEAR US APART --

Or there are a bunch of normal gay and lesbian folks who have reached peak trans and just want to post about it.

And just so you know, TERF means nothing and is certainly nothing to be offended about. The only ones who think they've scored a "gotcha" by calling someone a TERF would be a crazy tranny.

[quote]Or there are a bunch of normal gay and lesbian folks who have reached peak trans and just want to post about it.

This is it.

R59 R63 Boys, take your meds, not the hormones as they are untested on the opposite sex. Maybe a Valium to try to dispel some of the anger and hatred you feel for yourself and woman. FFS just because you shall die alone and unmourned, don't take it out on well adjusted homosexuals and lesbians who know how nuts and destructive tranny bullshit is

I love how R112 thinks that he's 'well adjusted.' The delusion is strong with this one.

[quote] Anyone who spends even a few minutes a day with the online gay community would know that there is no real fissure between the groups.

And anyone who spends even a few minutes a day with the /real life/ gay community would know that there is no real overlap of the groups unless you're talking about gays, lesbians and bisexuals.

R112 is better-adjusted than the shriekers he's responding to, r113. And better-adjusted than you, apparently.

Whatever you say, R115. I love that you're defending a totally unhinged poster. Says a lot about you.

R116 Pointing out the meds aren't tested on the opposite sex, 'puberty blockers' were not designed for children and again, zero research into their effects on childrens bodies, and that you die alone and unmourned is not unhinged, it is reality

LOL.... Whatever you say, R117. I love that you're still defending a totally unhinged poster. Says a lot about you.

Let’s just all agree that Trans should be considered a psychiatric issue, and we are all well-adjusted gays and lesbians. The trans classification just doesn’t it either he majority of our productive lives. Of course we wish them well, but how many of us have that much in common with them?

Believing that R119 and you would be going against World Health Organization, American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association. Most of us can remember when being gay was considered a mental disorder.

Let's just all agree that homosexuality should be considered a psychiatric issue and we are all well-adjusted heterosexuals. The gay classification just doesn't it [sic] either he [sic] majority of our productive lives. Of course we wish them well but how many of us have that much in common with them?

R120 that’s exactly my fear; that their issues will rub off on LGB‘s the wrong way.

Um, R122, they aren't contagious.

Gay people wouldn't be so irritated with the transgender lobby if the transgender lobby exhibited as much disdain for the parties that truly oppress them as they do the disdain for gay people and gay associations.

It's like BLM in Canada. You can protest an APOLOGY to gay men being arrested in sting operations or being thrown out of government institutions, but when Caribana is on, where are you? Nowhere. When there's a white nationalist group? Where are you? Nowhere. When there's anyone conservative around, where are you? Nowhere. Nowhere to be fucking found. You only want to shit on your friends and your friends are sick and tired of it.

Better than defending you, r116.

At this stage, I think the only thing possible is for the LGBs to quietly leave the "LGBTQIA2S+++ community" and just start our own new things. Even though I think the word is completely stupid, we can say we're doing things as cis gays who are attracted to other cis people of the same sex to protect ourselves from the "some lesbians have penises get over it" types.

Since they believe that there is a unique trans experience, they would surely agree that there is a unique "cis" experience too.

You trash will always be alone. No you will never get any significant number of gay men to start hating good transgendered people who mind their own business so they can be closer to 4chan trash. No one in your real lives want to spend time around you which is why you have time to pursue your pathetic trans obsession. I don't know why you think the people on this thread would be any different.

[quote]good transgendered people who mind their own business

Admittedly, my only exposure to trans is what I encounter online, but I have yet to encounter any of whom this is an accurate description.

r127

[quote]This thread has the most W/W's I've ever seen on DL since the bubbles appeared, sitting now at 39.

[quote]This thread is for Gay Trash! Nobody agrees with you about out beautiful trans brothers and sisters! All gays LOVE being tied to transgender issues!

Pick one.

r120 Hmmm, I don't need off label untested medications, for life, cut and paste surgery that does not deal with my mental health issues, to 'maintain' my gayness, like these mental cuntless wonders

r120 Being gay--homosexual--is found in over 190 OTHER species on our beloved planet Earth in addition to humans. Which species also have a "transgender" class? And while you're busy resolving the cognitive dissonance this revelation surely must have caused you, the rest of us will be sitting comfortably with our clear understanding of why homosexuality isn't and wasn't ever a 'mental illness,' and why 'gender dysphoria' was and is.

R127 covers it perfectly. Thank you, R127, these horrid people need to go to 4chan or Gab or wherever the rest of the Nazi/TERFs hang out.

Nobody wants their shit here, they've been flogging it to death for years. Muriel needs to ban them.

r110 Imagine unironically calling a bunch of gays "radical feminists." Radical feminists HATE men, which is the exact OPPOSITE of our beliefs!

(for the those privileged not to be a soldier in the gender wars, "TERF" = trans exclusionary radical feminist, which is used by 'trans folk' to call women bitches without actually saying "bitch")

Your ignorance is astounding R131. I'm well aware of homosexuality in other species.

r134 Are you well aware of gender dysphoria on other species as well?

[R131] other species don’t have dresses, wigs, high heels, lipstick etc. You can’t have gender dysphoria without the culture of gender roles. It’s based on the signifiers of gender. Women can be women without wearing heels and lipstick, but trans are reliant on the belief that these things will make them whole. It is a very superficial interpretation of gender.

The way you girls read the Trans minds, it's amazing! You know exactly what they think and feel about every single thing in their lives. Wowza.

You should take your act on the road, The Amazing Terfazam!

[quote]Which species also have a "transgender" class?

Which other species has fashion / clothing? That's what dictates it all, apparantly.

Apparently*

Stop comparing homosexuality and transgenderism. There are TONS of scientific studies about homosexuality to show that it isn't a mental illness. The scientific research related to transgenderism isn't on the side of trans people. The trans community doesn't want scientific research into transgenderism for a reason.

[quote]Stop comparing homosexuality and transgenderism.

Fine. Stop combining homosexuality and transgenderism.

R141 So clever, I wish I WAS you.

You mean "I wish I WERE you."

R143 The joke went over your head I see.

The joke?

The alphabet soup has become totally unwieldy. We can’t keep calling ourselves by this insane designation. I say cut to the chase and call ourselves “Gays (and the rest)” if the hangers-on are OK with that, fine. They can hang out. When and where they want a separate identity they can call themselves whatever they want.

Or maybe “Gays [italic] et al.” [/italic] then the umbrella can be as big as it needs to be.

I encourage any brave souls to start saying “Gays and others” in the place of the endless string of letters we now have. People will just have to start using it for us to drop the alphabet soup name.

"Queer" is supposed to solve the alphabet soup problem. However, I refuse to call myself that. It's beneath me.

The alphabet soup is so confusing. That’s the main point. Not demeaning all these other designations—they are fine. The letters are all just too much and need to be pruned back for the sake of clarity.

If we could just re-arrange the letters to make a pronounceable acronym and call ourselves that. But then we’d have to ban any other group wanting to add any more letters to the end.

At the least we should eliminate any letters beyond LGBT. And I personally don’t think T belongs in this group. I don’t mind being T-friendly, but they represent something very different from sexual orientation. We can’t just keep accommodating individual whims about whether this or that letter better represents some sub-group. We might as well be done with it and include all 26 letters of the alphabet and all glyphs and symbols there are in order to cover every possible permutation of sexual identity—just take it to its absurd conclusion, why don’t we?

The community formerly known as LGBTQ.

Or change it to an unpronounceable glyph like Prince did. Who’s to say they aren’t included under this umbrella?

Gay man here. I really didn't mind the T for the longest time (they weren't really on my radar) until they suddenly started to invade my personal sphere by 1) more or less insulting my husband, who dared to educate his teacher colleagues (amongst other things) on T issues, because he is an evil white cis gay man who has no place educating on T issues, 2) alienating one of my best friends (female, straight, mother, scientist) from her feminist community because she dared to state that the experiences of trans-women and cis-women are different, 3) invading my online bubble, calling everything and everyone "transphobic" and "transmisogynistic" while posting pictures glorifying violence against TERFs (i.e., any woman with half a brain who hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid), 4) erasing or belittling the role of gay men in the GAY liberation movement while stylizing themselves as the perpetual victims of erasure, 5) insulting my own clinical and scientific expertise with their Tumblr pseudo science and calls for messing with children's puberty.

Culturally and societally, men can usually tell someone to fuck off if they start to become too intrusive. So, in the end, I suspect that gay men won't be bothered too much by the T. For women that's much harder, however, as they are still struggling to be heard in the public discourse; they have to bear the brunt of the T insanity, especially by male socialized, aggressive MtF activists.

The fact is that LGB equality took nothing away from other groups; T equality and the full recognition of gender ideology does. I feel that the mixing up of gender and sex in the public discourse will eventually damage and undermine the foundation and rationale of our successful LGB activism. The redefinition of same-sex attraction into same-gender attraction will bite us in the ass.

[quote]The scientific research related to transgenderism isn't on the side of trans people. The trans community doesn't want scientific research into transgenderism for a reason.

Wrong on all counts. Don't you ever get tired of demonstrating just how ignorant you are?

[quote]Better than defending you, R116.

LOL... Oh, I'm just so wounded by your cutting wit.

You poor thing....

R153 Your anger doesn't change facts.

[152] nailed it.

I'll add this to R152's post: The T are doing a weak, weak job of policing themselves as well.

LOL... R155, I'm not "angry." I'm amused by your ignorance. And I love it that you double down on it when called on it.

Yes R158, I'm so ignorant because I read scientific studies. Transgenderism is still labeled as a mental illness in the DSM. Science currently shows that many trans children merely become gay adults. Many trans-people detransition. Researchers have also shown some evidence that transgenderism is socially contagious, and not from birth.

No, R153, sadly they are obsessive compulsives who are fixated on transgender people. They cannot be educated, they cannot listen to rational argument or facts and actually comprehend them. They b'leeeeve what they b'leeeeeve and gay men had better not dare tell them anything different!

They're just awful, they've been awful since the day they showed up here, the vile little cunts.

No, R159, you're ignorant because you are, in fact, ignorant, like your claim that "Transgenderism is still labeled as a mental illness in the DSM." Sorry, but it's not, no matter how much you would like it to be. Not to mention your inconvenient omission of the current and ongoing scientific studies about gender identity, about genetic causes of being transgender, about physical differences of those who are transgender, and on and on.

You know nothing and you are absolutely determined to keep it that way, much to my amusement. And your ignorance and bigotry are why you and those like you are so remarkably ineffectual, both here on DL and in the real world. You are enormously unpopular here, mostly because you insist on shitting all over the site until your threads get locked or deleted. Those like you have been trying to turn DL into anti-trans central for at least the past four years and you have consistently failed. And you will continue to fail because of your ignorance, your rhetoric, your antics, your rhetoric, and your bigotry.

And on those rare occasions when I am bored enough to peek into your threads, I will continue to shake my head and laugh at the endless ineffectual circle jerk that you and those like you engage in, blissfully unaware of just how utterly foolish you sound.

What's even funnier is the kind of people you choose to associate with in your threads, R159, like this lovely little gem from one of your number:

[quote]Trannies are ruining women's sports because women are too weak to compete against men. Men are bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter. Men invented everything. Women are consumers, not creators of anything but babies, romance novels, and pop tunes. God help any nation that is run by a woman!

Or lovely little Matt, who threatened to report me to the FBI and to expose my IP address to the world for daring to disagree with him. And the rest of you idiots who insist on talking about "erasure" and the "Holocaust" and the "transtapo" and all the rest of those drama queen flourishes that you ignorant bigots love.

Oh, and before you "oh dear" me, yes, I know I wrote rhetoric twice in R161. Feel free to have fun.

Notice that none of the pro-trans trolls in this thread have taken a swing at the question of "why aren't there transgender animals when there are over 190 species of homosexual animals?" The answer, as some stated above, is obviously that the whole thing boils down to gender ROLES. Since gender is KNOWN to differ between cultures and even within a single culture over time, "trans gender" can't really be scientific, given that it by definition relies upon a specific culture's understanding of gender roles at a specific period of time. AKA a "trans woman" today would obviously NOT relate to or identify with a native american woman circa AD 1400--no dresses then!

[quote]So, in the end, I suspect that gay men won't be bothered too much by the T.

r152 is right on the money with this quote, which is likely why so many gays on DL are fascinated by the trans push, but outside of some historical revisionism ultimately un-threatened by it. I DO feel very bad for the women who will find themselves thrown under the bus as this progresses to it's conclusion, except for the women who threw themselves willingly.

r159 I saw that video on a few young adults that de-transitioned and some became trans because their liberal friends encouraged them into that lifestyle. These were just confused people that were misled by the QT contingent. That is incredibly dangerous because of a myriad of reasons implicated. We need to do better as a community and give help. Trans people should only be a small percentage due to dysphoria not a growing rate due to peer pressure.

But now it's become LGBTQ2 - the 2 standing for Two Spirit.

R166: It's literal cancer that keeps on growing.

If it includes everything then it doesn't include anything.

R168: Exactly. Words, definitions, and meanings are being distorted and rewritten, to accommodate and push a literal circus show. They created a world where nothing matters or means anything. Where nothing can be distinguished from the other. Pathetic and very scary indeed.

Gay Pride and Gay Rights started with just gay men.

We should get rid of everyone else and have it be ours alone again. We're the ones with the political clout. We're the ones with the money, influence and power. Let them go start their own ladies things and address their own issues. I'm sick of them always horning in our events, our parades, our marches, our politics, our clubs, our everything.

We're the ones who made the political, legal, cultural and professional progress happen. We're the ones who did all the work for it, decade after decade. We're the ones who got (and still get) gay bashed and god knows we're the ones who have always paid for everything and still pay for everything now.

Let the girls go. Shoo! Go do your own vagina things, fight for equal pay, try to hold onto abortion rights and bad music festivals. We have nothing in common with you and you don't interest us. Why should we bother including you? Fighting for your rights? Helping you? Caring about what happens to you or how you're treated in our country? You aren't us and we should only care about ourselves.

No we should include the lesbians they stuck by us. But leave out the third wave feminist lesbians that brought the disease that is QTIAA2. Don't punish the women that stood beside, brought in and took care of gay men.

I agree, R171 — the Lesbians are just as much the heart and soul of the original ‚‘movement‘ as gay men are.

[quote]At this stage, I think the only thing possible is for the LGBs to quietly leave the "LGBTQIA2S+++ community" and just start our own new things

Please, go ahead. Leave DL while you're at it. You're not wanted here.

I have to laugh that OP and the perhaps one other anti-trans on this thread think they're representative of the gay community at large. They're in for a big shock.

R173: You need to fuck off Datalounge. You are going to be in for a big shock you gay and lesbian erasing bisexual, pansexual, trans, two spirit, queer lunatic, because pretty soon more evidence will be posted on Datalounge. The mountain of evidence will stack on top of the already existing mountain of evidence, of the nefarious hijacking and corporate erasure that has been designed to spread indescribable confusion; and erase gay people. Stay tuned on here for more.

R154, there was no wit. If you had found any, it would have been surprising.

[quote]And on those rare occasions when I am bored enough to peek into your threads,

Oh, bitch r161, PLEASE. You fucking LIVE here.

They know they're not representative. If they were, they'd have organized by now. Their one attempt at it a few years ago flopped.

They're still in the stage where they're astroturfing in hopes of gaining support, but it's crumbling because they've made no real gains on any forums of note. In fact, some places like Mumsnet are cracking down on the threads because of legal ramifications of threats and doxxing by anti-trans posters.

R171 and the 9 idiots who WWed him are hilarious. Are we going to insist on people passing a quiz or getting licensed to become part of the LGBT community? "Are you now or have you ever been a third wave feminist?"

These dorks want 27 different factions of the community to accommodate all variations so they don't feel uncomfortable if they're next to, say, a second-wave elderlez with third-wave sympathies, yet cry when a "blue-haired SJW wants a safe space."

Do they really just not see it?

[quote]We're the ones who did all the work for it, decade after decade. We're the ones who got (and still get) gay bashed and god knows we're the ones who have always paid for everything and still pay for everything now.

[quote]Let the girls go. Shoo! Go do your own vagina things

Gays are not even close to the only members of LGBT who did any work. It's a complete lie to say so, but the thing is, I don't think you actually believe gays did all the work. I'm 100% sure you know women were a big part of ACT UP, GMHC, the Daughters, the Gay and Lesbian Front in LA, etc. You're just so ugly inside that you make yourself look stupid and ignorant just so you can express your hatred.

The thing is, the facts don't change. History books aren't going to suddenly erase the names of lesbians and women who were major players in the gay rights movement just because you anonymously posted some bullshit on Datalounge.

You're impotent and you're irrelevant.

[quote]Transgenderism is still labeled as a mental illness in the DSM.

Gender dysphoria is not necessarily a disorder, and the DSM-5 specifically moved gender dysphoria out of the category of "disorders" because of this. This was back in 2013 so it's not like you shouldn't have kept up on the news.

Gender nonconformity is specifically listed in the DSM as NOT being a disorder.

The tranny posters on this thread who keep attacking the gays are only providing more evidence for why the T has nothing to do with the LGB. Yup, we're very different - so let's part ways (not that in real life we are actually have that much to do with each other, beyond this fake, imaginary "LGBTQIA2S++++ community that is mainly found in cyberspace).

R180, "gender noncomformity" is meaningless bs that only perpetuates the notion of "gender conformity". I presume what is called "gender dysphoria" covers a wide range of situations but I find it difficult to believe that a person who wants to cut off perfectly fine body parts to replace them with a surgically-constructed mess does not have some psychological issues that need dealing with.

[quote]I feel that the mixing up of gender and sex in the public discourse will eventually damage and undermine the foundation and rationale of our successful LGB activism.

Absolute bullshit.

How do none of you remember the 1960s and 1970s where gays were constantly equated with transvestites? They were seen as one and the same in public and in entertainment. I'd argue that this was still prevalent up until the 1990s, when every gay sidekick comedy character also automatically knew how to make a man look like a woman. It was always assumed gay men dressed like women in their spare time, loved drag, wanted to be a woman -- that's where the jokes came from.

The view of gays and trans is far more sophisticated now than it has been at any time in history. What you're worried about is that people might start to conflate gays with trans, but that's ridiculous, because they already have. For decades. Haven't you seen Mrs Doubtfire, or Freebie and the Bean, or Mannequin, or Dog Day Afternoon?

Don't you remember the laws that said gays would be arrested if they wore more than a couple of articles of women's clothing? The laws assumed gays loved to dress as women. That was the assumption.

It just boggles the mind that anyone would claim we're on a slippery slope to a time where gays and trans are conflated when that's where we already WERE, and we're now past it.

[quote]"gender noncomformity" is meaningless bs

That's the term used in the DSM-5. Complain to the American Psychiatric Society if you don't like it. I'm sure they'll immediately delete the term because you personally believe it's meaningless.

[quote] I presume what is called "gender dysphoria" covers a wide range of situation

Instead of presuming, why don't you look something up for once?

[quote] The rest of us are fine with including the T in GLBT [...]Seriously, just die. Nobody wants you,

R52, speaking like a true homophobe. Wishing death upon gay men because they don't buy into the Trans brigade, which has been harmful to the gay community.

Head back to Free Republic where you clearly belong among the Freepers.

Can someone with a membership here create a poll thread and just get this bitch fest over with?!?! I GUARANTEE you the poll results will show that the majority DOES NOT want anything to do with Trans folk, and wish them well, but it’s time for them to fight their own battles. Thanks byeeeee 👋 😘

Hilarious that you think the standard DL insult of "just die already" is a call to exterminate all gays.

R185: I made a Poll twice, but very few must have seen it.

Just FYI, the same person who said this:

[quote]TERFs do nothing but argue and cause trouble.

[quote]these horrid people need to go to 4chan or Gab or wherever the rest of the Nazi/TERFs hang out.

Also said this:

[quote]Gay Pride and Gay Rights started with just gay men. We should get rid of everyone else and have it be ours alone again.

Remember that there are a TON of trolls playing both sides and trying to cause as much discord in the community as possible.

R185: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/24135656

The reason for the trans obsession is clear. Nazis and TERFs are the absolute bottom rung of our society. No one respects them, likes them, or will ever try to spend time with them. They are the trash our society rightly discards

Rather than try to improve themselves, these losers just want to drag someone lower than them. They are convinced if they can stir up enough trans hate, maybe they won't seem so bad and they can finally have friends and enjoy life. But they never will.

WOW R188 That's crazy

Take the Poll to settle this.

R157, the Ts have never condemned the pedos who hide among them. If anything, they ridicule people who care about children as unhinged “pearl-clutchers” who screech [italic]”Won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!?!”[/italic]

The Ts don’t acknowledge how much porn they all consume. Whereas, real women, don’t as much. Especially after a certain age.

The Ts don’t acknowledge how many of them get boners just from dressing up or listening to women urinate.

They are disingenuous.

R193: The trans don't acknowledge anything that is truthful and factual. They never acknowledge statistics, biology, and science. If they did, the entire world would never be having a conversation about trans or trans ideology, because it's whole foundation is built on enormous lies. It is honestly that fucking simple, and that's how you know how fucked things truly are, when all you see is trans ideology everywhere.

[quote] It just boggles the mind that anyone would claim we're on a slippery slope to a time where gays and trans are conflated when that's where we already WERE, and we're now past it.

It's not about G and T simply being conflated.

It's about the basic argumentation behind the gay liberation movement: 1) We are born this way (hence, being gay is not a choice). 2) We cannot change our same-sex attraction ever (hence, conversion therapy doesn't work). 3) We don't harm anyone by getting equal rights (hence, being treated equal by the law won't cause operational problems at all).

T / gender ideology, on the other hand, is a mess:

1) "We are born this way" -- but what does that really mean? Gender expression is culturally dependent, of course, there is no biological foundation for it. Gender identity is, if at all (!), only partly genetically encoded (and the neuroscience research about differences between T and non-Ts is not as straightforward and clear as T might want you to believe -- T brains might be somewhat different from non-T brains of their birth sex but they are not the same as the brains of non-T of their chosen gender). Besides, we know from psychological research and common sense that identity can and will change over time. For many T activists, gender dysphoria is not even required to identify as T anymore; so where's the basis for this proposition? Some diffuse feeling? Also, if this is true, why are there Ts detransing? Why is there often desistance after puberty? Simply put, there is too big a margin of error in this foundation on feelings for making policy decisions on it. Contrast this with sexual orientation which is clearly measurable scientifically and a much more stable construct. I don't doubt that there are certain individuals that show a very early onset of gender dysphoria that remains stable throughout their lives; and these people must be given access to all the mental healthcare and, if necessary, other medical support that they need; but their gender dysphoria does not change basic biological fact (see next point).

2) "Gender identity trumps biological sex" or "trans women are real women" -- this means biological sex becomes de facto irrelevant, not only causing operational problems in certain fields where rules and regulations are based on sex (access to female-specific healthcare, sex-based accommodation in institutions like prisons, female safe spaces for traumatized women, sport competitions) but basically also redefining homosexuality to mean same-gender attraction instead of same-sex attraction (hence, the whole "If lesbians don't want to have sex with women with penises, they are transphobic" stick). The slippery slop is that, especially with the inclusion of "genderqueer-ness", gender identity becomes flexible and kind of arbitrary. And this means that homosexuality (redefined as same-gender attraction) also becomes flexible and arbitrary, thereby undermining the science-based reasoning behind the gay liberation movement.

"Trans are NOT gay."

A lot of them become gay after they transition. As in MTF marries a woman.

Or vice versa.

Polls don't mean anything here since we don't know how many people participated in the poll. Also, many people might not even see the thread with the poll. Most importantly, a poll here is completely meaningless.

r195 YES this is a very good take. It is clear that you, like me and most gays in this thread, don't have a "deep nazi-like anger" towards 'trans folk.' You would probably accommodate any trans individual you encountered in real life (within reason, I personally draw the line at "they/them" pronouns--a bastardization of the language). You don't want 'trans folk' to die or be erased or whatever new victimization TRA's come up with.

BUT you look at the science that says 90% of "gender nonconforming" youth desist into homosexual men and women as they mature, and then you look at the studies that suggest that once a "gender nonconforming" youth STARTS transitioning--either just socially, with hormones, or beyond--the likelihood that that youth desists dramatically drops. I'll restate that for the pro-trans trolls: if a GNC youth is left alone to figure shit out, they almost always mature into gays, but if they receive intervention and start "experimenting" with transition the research says they stick with it.

This looks VERY strongly to me like gay conversion therapy. AT THE VERY LEAST, these results should give any gay who is eager to support the trans push pause, and demand for more research. Maybe more research will show ONLY the "trans" GNC youth are transitioning, and the 90% GNC youth who are actually gay are totally safe from life-altering intervention. Maybe, but let's make sure. Because if the pro-trans trolls are WRONG, and gay youth ARE being--and forgive me for using such a charged word--mutilated, then it is the RESPONSIBILITY of gay men and women everywhere to stop it from happening.

I just want more research. Prove to me that gay kids are safe, and I'll stop worrying.

(but 'trans folk' bully research that they disagree with, see the link for an example study that 'trans folk' bullied the university into retracting, only to have a further review prove the methodology was sound, and was republished)

R197 is another TQ trying to hide and denigrate evidence. The percentage markers on the Poll tell us a lot. It doesn't need to be the most perfect Poll. It's a close enough gauge to establish enough accuracy for the percentage of those for or against trans and trans ideology on Datalounge. For those that do see it, it is still worth something. More will see it, whether it's an existing Poll, or a new Poll created.

Sterilizing kids is barbaric.

The push to move sex offenders and fetishists into contact with young kids under the drag rubric is disgusting and should concern all LGB. We have pushed the pedos out of our movement in the 70s and 90s and it is time once again.

Gay men never pushed for drag story hours in libraries geared to kids, it is the T fetishists hiding behind a label associated with us.

HOW did we go from the gayby boom of the 90s to the widespread sterilization of kids overwhelmingly likely to grow up to be gay and lesbian if left alone, a generation later?

The erasing of the biological basis for our legal rights should concern all LGB. The implications for free speech for everyone are absolutely chilling. Words and pronouns, ludicrous as it sounds, are being criminalized in many western countries.

You're an idiot R199 and you are wrong concerning polls on DL. BTW, I an out gay woman that has been out probably longer than you have been alive. I don't agree with everything about transgender people, but this constant bashing of them on DL is sickening. And it is the same shit when people complain about the "breeders." Shoot yourself in the face R199. We didn't get where we are today all by ourselves you moron.

So what if that dumb phrase is in the DSM-5, r183? As you have previously made the point, the classifications of the DSM keep being changed with each edition. The DSM is a social construct - as is the concept of "gender noncomformity" - so each edition reflects the prevailing psychiatric mindset of the time.

What do you think "gender nonconformity" is? Are there strict gender roles that boys and girls, men and women must play and those individuals who violate the rules are someone how a special case , which is categorised as "gender nonconforming"?

Are you also saying that there is only one form of "gender dysphoria", i.e. people with perfectly fine body parts surgically removing them and attempting to replace them with surgically constructions that attempt to emulate the genitalia of the opposite sex?

Do you believe that someone who wants to amputate perfectly healthy body parts and replace them with a surgical mess that supposedly emulates the genitalia and physiology of the opposite sex has no psychological issues that perhaps need resolving?

R202, are you familiar with Get the L Out?

The trans community is ruining science. You can't have researchers retract their findings just because you disagree. How are we supposed to understand what's truly happening if all the research results make the trans community happy?

R202, just wait until a "lesbian" with a penis tries to chat you up and you reject her because of that penis and then you get called transphobic.

Or perhaps, since you're older and out of the dating age group, you don't give a shit about the young lesbians who have to put up with this bs.

With the T, we ain't going to get anywhere. Enjoy your no longer gay Pride and make sure you march under the "Some lesbians have penises, get over it" banners.

And I'm a lesbian too.

An exquisite ‘reserved name’, if I may say so R207

The war on women, particularly lesbians and on likely to be lesbian and gay children is real

It has been said before but it bears repeating: If FTMs were as pushy as MTFs this would be a completely ballgame.

R202: You are automatically an idiot by default if you take a soft approach to the increasing bullshit coming from trans and their ideological cancer. If gay people don't continue to wake up with the rest of us who have been awake since the beginning to the trans ideology fuckery, then what you think to be permanent with gay rights will continue to fade away while TQ are given more power. You are either a fake lesbian or a stupid lesbian, if you think that trans cancer helped us get where we are today with gay rights. Because you said: "We didn't get where we are today all by ourselves you moron". The moron is clearly you if by that statement, you are including trans as part of the fight for gay rights in the past, or even in the present. How much more evidence do you need as a "so called older lesbian", as to the urgency required to counteract the damage already done by delusional TQ's and their advocates?! Do you think that being silent about it, and not discussing about it here, will somehow make TQ go away? Fuck off honestly. If you want to be an idle lesbian on this matter, fine, do that. But let us who have the ovaries, spine, and balls, fight the TQ. Lastly, the fact that you are an older lesbian, means you should know better and be doing better to help the rest of us. Because there are many other older gay men and lesbian women who are on here, some even sign their posts, and they are an inspiration because they are still willing to fight despite having fought hard in the past. What are you doing except being an idle fence sitter?

For those who haven't yet seen the Poll and voted on what you think about trans/trans ideology, here it is:

The Poll is important.

Trans, bi, lesbian, gay men, fluid... we're all sexual minorities in this breeder-dominated world. Some trans used to be gay. Some gays are really trans. Some people transition to the opposite sex- then become gay...

The Haters rejoice when they see the infighting. We need to stick together or they will divide and conquer us.

R213, gender exists only in our imaginations.

Biological sex is real.

Precisely R214! Precisely!

R213, trans must go and will go!

Spamming this site is sure going to affect meaningful change in the world. Keep yelling at those clouds and shaking your fists at the sun. You're making progress.

Here is a pic I took of that Queer Liberation March...passing in the morning...grrr.

Shouting things like "We're here, we're queer, get fucking used to it we aren't going away," and "How do you spell racist? NYPD" while they stood by making sure no one got killed, etc.

Sorry for the poor quality. It took about an hour to pass by.

Right back atcha, r216.

I can type all day. I'm not the one looking to change the makeup of our community.

R216, and 218, discussing what's going on is massively meaningful and powerful. Trans and queer theorists are being exposed more and more. Datalounge is observed by far more than you think that will help G and L in this necessary fight, I assure you. Stay tuned.

You've been at this for more than four years and while you are playing keyboard warrior to a bunch of disinterested eldergays the transgender community continues to expand and gain allies. DL is not the frontline of battle and it shows you as a coward, a fraud and an obsessive that you rationalize your obnoxious behavior by claiming it is.

That's cool r221, the trans are expanding and gaining lots of allies, so they can go away and form their own movement now and stop piggy-backing on ours, since they don't need us anymore and don't even seem to like us.

R221: You know very little about what's really going on, and who is watching Datalounge. Keyboard warrior is overused by weak people like yourself who can't and don't actually fight in real life for anything. Many of us writing on Datalounge are taking action in our own lives in numerous ways to combat the TQ. Just because you are a total pussy in real life and wouldn't know how to stand up for anything unless others are doing it for you, doesn't mean we all are.

By your own logic, how do you know what campaigns and organizations I work with?

Like I said you keep up the good work that you are so convinced helped delay the UN from removing transgender from the category of mental illness. You prevented statues being erected to Marsha and Sylvia. Thanks to activists like you, HRC and GLADD and NOW have reversed their support of transgender rights and I'm sure you will prevent the DNC from including it in their platform.

Keep typing. You've almost won.

R221: The epitome of cowardice is strongly tied up in the whole existence of a T and Q. They didn't get anywhere and can't get anywhere without G and L. They need laws to protect them from being misgendered, and they need to rewrite history, facts, and biology to accommodate their narcissistic fragile identity which is based on endless falsehoods. And yet you think you are are convincing intelligent and sane people, that all those taking any type of stand or action against the TQ, are in fact the cowards?

Go take your drugs to function T, or in reality, go take your drugs to be dysfunctional, because you are malfunctioning again.

R224: It's all about timing in order to ensure permanent victory in eliminating the TQ. As I said, stay tuned. Things are being watched heavily.

I believe there will be a groundswell of alarmed parents as the TQ agenda continues to gain traction in schools.

R227: It's going to be far more drastic than that in taking the TQ down, but it's going to work!

I guess you hijack PTA sites and embarrass yourself by accusing teachers of being trans in your spare time away from DL.

You've lost so much ground in the last four years. I'm sure with your help, you can lose even more in the next four. Keep doing what you've been failing at, I'm sure you'll get different results if you just stay patient.

If the TQs are not threatened by what we post here...then why do they keep closing our threads?!?

DL is the only “gay site” where grassroots gays have a voice.

And we DLrs have said consistently for years that T ideology is homophobic & misogynist. That it’s impossible to change sex. That kids are unable to consent to sterilization.

This is the only gay site where that says these things. All of the other gay sites spew T propaganda that is hurtful to the gay community. But nobody knows this. Because T is a Trojan horse.

Now you're poor victimized refugees whose unwelcomed "truths" bring you persecution everywhere but DL. So that justifies you hijacking threads, spamming the site and the name-calling of everyone who disagrees with you. You are pathetic on a level even the deplorables can't sink to. At least they own their bigotry, hatefulness and despicable behavior.

R232 Why are you so desperate to stop reality from being known? Go take ya hormones and crawl closer to the inevitable

Reality doesn't need me or you to be known. That's just your delusions of grandeur that motivates your hateful name-calling crusade.

As has been explained to you before, you are welcome to express your opinions, but once they've been expressed and acknowledged to keep spamming the site, interjecting your opinions into unrelated threads multiple times a day has nothing to do with "reality being known". It's obnoxious proselytizing that is disrespectful of others on the site.

It disrespect others right to form their own opinions in the face of your bullying. It's disrespectful of people who have a right to be disinterested. It's disrespectful of people who have legitimate concerns and share your opinions but are discouraged from expressing them for fear of being lumped in with rude, name-calling, disrespectful spammers. You are your cause's worst advocate.

Typical tranny gaslighting at R234.

But the tranny complaint threads are always removed, because Mediaopolis is in bed with GLAAD, we all know this and have known it for years.

These threads are not censored because we are not telling the truth, they go because of money and business

So DL is not a safe haven for your bigotry. Yet you still waste your time flooding a site that has nothing to do with your cause and bending your self in knots trying to justify your despicable behavior.

Gay site, trannys are a threat. Stop using despicable, you sound silly and childlike

You are despicable and it is a very good word. Sorry if you don't like it but you also think you are some gallant, righteous crusader when you're really just an attention-seeking bigot.

Hilarious baby. Go cry, like a lady

Interesting discussion in the comments below the linked post. I think it kind of exposes the weakness of the T arguments without falling into hysterics on either side while remaining pretty fair.

It also shows why I think that the current strand of toxic T activism will fail in the long run. The resistance by intellectuals is growing; at the same time, the acceptance by mainstream society is still superficial. (It will change when the negative impact on policy and people's everyday life becomes more apparent.)

[quote]These threads are not censored because we are not telling the truth, they go because of money and business

The webmaster here doesn't give a shit whether anyone lies or not, as he's repeatedly made clear. Your threads routinely get deleted and/or locked mostly because you morons persist in repeated spamming and people here really don't like you. It has nothing to do with "money and business."

[quote].then why do they keep closing our threads?!?

Um, because you're ignorant bigots who post the same old tired shit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. It's really not all that complicated, although it certainly seems to be beyond your ability to handle.

[quote]DL is the only “gay site” where grassroots gays have a voice.

Oh, the delusion.... You're not "grassroots gays." You're a tiny group of ignorant bigots.

[quote]And we DLrs have said consistently for years that T ideology is homophobic & misogynist.

No, not "you DLrs [sic]." Just a few rancid fuckwits who have infested the site for at least the past four years and have desperately tried, and failed, to turn it into anti-trans central. You have consistently failed and you will continue to fail because you're morons.

[quote]But nobody knows this. Because T is a Trojan horse.

I rest my case.

[quote]Keep doing what you've been failing at, I'm sure you'll get different results if you just stay patient.

That's why these loons are more pathetic, not to mention funny, than they are anything for anyone to worry about. They never learn but just keep doing the same old tired tactics and constantly whining that nobody is listening to them.

[quote]I believe there will be a groundswell of alarmed parents as the TQ agenda continues to gain traction in schools.

Uh-huh. That's what you said four years ago. And three years ago. And two years ago. And last year. And this year.

Just when is that "groundswell" actually supposed to appear?

[quote]discussing what's going on is massively meaningful and powerful.

ROFLMAO.... 'nuff said.

[quote]The Poll is important.

So IMPORTANT that it immediately got closed down and locked. You never learn.

[quote]At this stage, I think the only thing possible is for the LGBs to quietly leave the "LGBTQIA2S+++ community" and just start our own new things.

Go for it. There is literally nothing stopping you except for just two things, both of which you control:

1. You love to whine more than you love actually doing anything.

2. You know that your own little movement will be a tiny, tiny fraction of the LGBT community and that you'll be out there all alone, exposed as impotent failures.

By the way, have you morons finally figured out that when you write, "Transgenderism is still labeled as a mental illness in the DSM," you're either stupid or you're lying or you're both?

I blocked 2 trolls and so many posts disappeared, including the last 8. To the poster who called the T a Trojan horse, spot on. I always wondered how language would be criminalized, after reading 1984. We know now.

R243 What threats?

R251 Wow, you are right, so strange when these T supporters only ever post on one thread......

R253, good observation. It is a tactic.

R241 Thanks for the link.

R48: The Poll still works tranny. Only the commenting is closed. And yes, it was immediately closed for comments, because the webmaster is a tranny like yourself. The webmaster is just as corrupt as you. Trying to silence everything related to evidence or discussion that's against the trans agenda. It's 500% about money and control. You can keep on lying because it's all you are good at, but we'll continue to talk about the trans ideology madness, and we'll continue making threads exposing it. And I assure you, there is going to be more powerful threads containing more obvious proof of how this is all primarily a money game. Even though they get deleted or closed by trans advocate webmasters on Datalounge, it does not deter us from exposing you lunatics more and more. It's more proof in fact about how yet another gay website can't just be gay, and talk about gay subjects with only gay people.

Post at R256 ^ was meant for R248, not R48. Typo error sorry.

Continue voting on Poll link below. It's still open and working.

R256 -

If this issue is so important to you, why don't you go start your own website with a forum section so you and your haters can have your own space to wallow in your hatred?

You don't like the DL, as you stated, so why are you here?

R259: Datalounge was created for gay people stupid. I never said I didn't like Datalounge. I said it got hijacked by tranny advocates. If anyone should be and will be leaving, it will be the T and the Q. Otherwise, we'll force you off because you deserve to be forced off, after continually forcing gay people out of gay spaces. That's right, we do hate trans, because everything you do to yourself and others is what's hateful and bigoted. Stop twisting it back onto us you gaslighting fucker. You lot are the problem, always were the problem, and will always be the problem. Anyone with a brain knows that.

What is this so-called "problem"...???

Still waiting for R260 to list ALL the problems with acceptance.

Why, if this group of anti-Trans people is such a large group, hasn't he been able to provide links to sites of others who share his viewpoint?

R262: T AND Q SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED. You don't add people dwelling in NON-REALITY to a gay community and call it acceptance! FFS!

FUCK OFF. FUCK OFF. FUCK OFF. FUCK OFF. NO ONE ACCEPTS OR WANTS YOU. ONLY THOSE WITH MONEY TO MAKE DO. YOU ARE AN EXPERIMENT USED TO CREATE CHAOS AND GASLIGHT SOCIETY. HOMOSEXUAL ORIENTATION EXISTS. BIOLOGICAL SEX EXISTS. BIOLOGICAL SEX CANNOT BE CHANGED, EVER. TRANS IS MAN MADE BY THE CORRUPT. WE'VE TOLD YOU TRILLIONS OF TIMES IN ENDLESS THREADS. PISS OFF AND STOP LYING ABOUT REALITY.

There aren't any, when you do a search on Facebook or twitter you find the same people here R262, sometimes it's cut and pasted from one place to the other.

I guess you could say Kiwi Farms and Gab and Mumsnet and that one Reddit group have members but there's a lot of overlap. The Reddit group used to have a ton of mentions of Datalounge on it but I notice they were quietly deleted a while back, the last time I got into one of these threads. There were deleted replies in the threads which used to have links to specific threads over here.

I wonder what the AMA official stance is on hormones and operations. They have that Hippocratic oath.

[quote]Continue voting on Poll link below. It's still open and working.

It will be dead in no time, which already gives you your answer. Nobody is bothering to answer your poll: they're just hitting the F&F button to make your poll go away. It's long past time for you to take the hint.

[quote]I never said I didn't like Datalounge. I said it got hijacked by tranny advocates.

It's the other way around, moron. Transgender issues have never been an important part of DL until you lot showed up and tried to turn DL into anti-trans central, trying to hijack multiple threads, posting the same tired shit over and over again, and making yourselves the most unpopular people at DL.

[quote]Otherwise, we'll force you off because you deserve to be forced off

LOL.... good luck with that. Four years here and you haven't had any luck at all. A smarter person might have figured out why. But then a smarter person wouldn't have written your post.

[quote]The Poll still works tranny.

Sorry, but I'm not a "tranny," moron. And your poll "works" all right: you got F&F'ed and your post locked, which means that, as usual, you lost. You're not welcome here.

[quote]And yes, it was immediately closed for comments, because the webmaster is a tranny like yourself.

ROFL.... You really are genuinely stupid, aren't you? The webmaster isn't a "tranny," neither am I, and your post got closed because the membership here flagged it. That's what gets posts locked, not "tranny" webmasters.

[quote]The webmaster is just as corrupt as you. Trying to silence everything related to evidence or discussion that's against the trans agenda. It's 500% about money and control. You can keep on lying because it's all you are good at, but we'll continue to talk about the trans ideology madness, and we'll continue making threads exposing it. And I assure you, there is going to be more powerful threads containing more obvious proof of how this is all primarily a money game. Even though they get deleted or closed by trans advocate webmasters on Datalounge, it does not deter us from exposing you lunatics more and more. It's more proof in fact about how yet another gay website can't just be gay, and talk about gay subjects with only gay people.

And another post where all I have to do is point and laugh. It's so obviously insane that there is literally nothing I could say that would make this unhinged poster, frothing at the mouth, look worse than he made himself look. And you morons wonder why you're so unpopular here and why you've never been able to gain any traction.

[quote]R243 What threats? —you live in fantasy land

Since I didn't mention anything about any "threats," it doesn't look like I'm the one living in "fantasyland."

Posted by 266 - 270, I do not think shim likes or supports gay men at all......judging by shis comments.....

Let's be honest, for 25 years equality was held back by AIDS that was exacerbated by gay men's adolescent, reckless promiscuity. The resources of the community were drained financially and every able body was wasted wiping gay men's asses, cleaning up their sick and burying them in the absence of any friends or family.

In 2019, that specter of death has been lifted but gay men have returned to their irresponsible, sex at all costs lifestyle. It is only a matter of time before another plague besets them and they will once again need members of every letter of the community and charity fundraising to save them again.

So many are racists. Most are misogynistic. In the height of priveleged male arrogance and entitlement, after all the damage they wrought in those horrible days of AIDS, they now think they get to dictate which letters are worthy of being in the community.

Is it time to cut the G loose before they drag the community down again? Should we become LBTQIA2 and leave them to fend for themselves?

Not surprised the satire of that went over your head. Try again.

They really don't know how to be clever, do they?

[quote]R59 R63 Boys, take your meds, not the hormones as they are untested on the opposite sex. Maybe a Valium to try to dispel some of the anger and hatred you feel for yourself and woman. FFS just because you shall die alone and unmourned, don't take it out on well adjusted homosexuals and lesbians who know how nuts and destructive tranny bullshit is

[quote]R116 Pointing out the meds aren't tested on the opposite sex, 'puberty blockers' were not designed for children and again, zero research into their effects on childrens bodies, and that you die alone and unmourned is not unhinged, it is reality

[quote]r120 Hmmm, I don't need off label untested medications, for life, cut and paste surgery that does not deal with my mental health issues, to 'maintain' my gayness, like these mental cuntless wonders

[quote]R232 Why are you so desperate to stop reality from being known? Go take ya hormones and crawl closer to the inevitable

[quote]But the tranny complaint threads are always removed, because Mediaopolis is in bed with GLAAD, we all know this and have known it for years.

[quote]These threads are not censored because we are not telling the truth, they go because of money and business

[quote]Gay site, trannys are a threat. Stop using despicable, you sound silly and childlike

[quote]Hilarious baby. Go cry, like a lady

[quote]R243 What threats?

[quote]R251 Wow, you are right, so strange when these T supporters only ever post on one thread......

[quote]Posted by 266 - 270, I do not think shim likes or supports gay men at all......judging by shis comments.....

etc....

[quote] always wondered how language would be criminalized, after reading 1984

LOL, the melodrama! Datalounge isn't law enforcement and your language hasn't been" criminalized" because it's often deleted here on a privately owned website where you are not welcomed by most other participants.

Your threads get deleted because lots of other posters F&F them. Period, end of story.

They are proof it's hard to be humorous and hateful at the same time.

In all seriousness, I do find it repellent that after the horror of AIDS any gay man would be so ungrateful and disloyal as to suggest anyone who fights against the GOP and evangelicals is holding us back. Trump has only solidified that belief. Trump is the only T I'm interested in fighting until he, McConnell and Fox News are gone and our election security restored.

[quote] Mediaopolis is in bed with GLAAD

I have no idea whether this is true or not, but if it is, so what? Oh my goodness, how shocking and corrupt that a gay-oriented website and a gay rights organization might be allies.

Who's the top?

They really are a bunch of drama queens, R274, with their talk of "gay erasure," "the transtapo," "widespread sterilization," Holocaust," "hypnotised slaves," "literal cancer," "nefarious hijacking and corporate erasure," and so on. I think they have to be the heroes in their own imaginations, overcoming those tremendous obstacles from "George Soros" and "Big Pharma," seeing themselves as the righteous defenders of all of gaydom, so they have to amp up the rhetoric accordingly.

Of course it isn't true, R277. They just can't bear to admit that Mediapolis isn't deleting their threads, that it's just the regular denizens of DL telling them repeatedly that they aren't welcome.

R277 It is true, you can check. Glaad is all tranny all the time now, nothing to do positively for gays and lesbians

Wrong on both counts, R280: GLAAD isn't "all tranny all the time" and it isn't "in bed with Mediapolis."

Next ridiculous conspiracy theory?

R280 in another post:

[quote]Gay site, trannys are a threat. Stop using despicable, you sound silly and childlike. Pull up your big girl panties and off your knees.

Now what was that about "sounding silly and childlike?"

I can see right on the GLAAD website that GLAAD is involved in gay and lesbian issues as well as transgender issues. As to whether GLAAD and Mediapolis are in bed together, if it's so easy to look up, how about providing a link. But actually, don't bother, because again, who fucking cares if they are partners of some sort? There is nothing wrong with that.

There is if your cognitive abilities are stunted at small binary concepts, which is what we are dealing with here, with the deplorables, with disadvantaged communities, Muslim extremists, zionists, dictators, evangelicals, Republicans and fans of Bedknobs and Broomsticks.

Uh-oh ... now you've done it. You've invoked him with those last few words. Just don't say them twice more!!!!

I ain't askeered. There's one just like him with his finger on the button in Washington, D.C. The worst this one can do is spam "Bedknobs and Broomsticks is a work of genius" 400 times.

R283 You stated the trans reality based threads are removed because apparently gay men and lesbians here ff them. They do not, they are taken down because media...... is in business with GLAAD, go find the research that shows how mentions of gays and lesbians have been dropping constantly asince they took the tranny money.

[quote]You stated the trans reality based threads are removed because apparently gay men and lesbians here ff them.

That's precisely why they are being deleted and/or closed, just as is true of all of the other threads here that are deleted and trolled. Oh, and you misspelled "fantasy based." The webmaster here has said, and demonstrated, repeatedly that the site is largely self-governing and that he almost never gets involved.

[quote]They do not, they are taken down because media...... is in business with GLAAD, go find the research that shows how mentions of gays and lesbians have been dropping constantly asince they took the tranny money.

LOL... You do know that lying [italic]really[/italic] doesn't help your case, don't you?

Freudian slip: "deleted and trolled" in the prior post should be "deleted and closed."

[quote] Otherwise, we'll force you off because you deserve to be forced off,

It always cracks me up when somebody starts in with this nonsense. How exactly do you think you're going to force people off a website you don't own or manage, especially one where you think the webmaster is a tranny who's out to get you, and most especially one where most other posters can't stand you and typically get YOUR threads shut down?

R263 -

You are the same person from the "Does Anyone Want This Month to Be Over" thread. With the exact same post.

Why are you not posting links to sites where your ideas are supported? Or, why are you not starting your own site?

You're not getting support here.

[quote] [R283] You stated the trans reality based threads are removed because apparently gay men and lesbians here ff them. They do not, they are taken down because media...... is in business with GLAAD.

This is pure bullshit. Threads get deleted because people F and F them and I highly doubt that anyone at GLAAD gives a shit what is posted on Datalounge—but again, even if GLAAD and Mediapolis were partners, and even if that partnership involved working together to decide what kind of content should be allowed on DL, it wouldn't be some big scandal. Mediapolis is a gay-fcoused business and GLAAD is a gay rights organization; it would not be as though Mediapolis were consulting the KKK about posting guidelines.

But the reality is, as he stated in a recent "AMA" thread, that Muriel the webmaster rarely gets involved in moderating content here, unless some specific person has accused DL of slander or whatever . Most of the time, shit is removed or left up according to whether/how many times it's been flagged by the posters here.

Shh, R292!! They're allergic to facts. Don't confuse them!

R292 Muriel never ever comments, typical lying tranny scum

ROFL.... Oh, you poor thing. I've linked one such thread for you. I'm not holding my breath waiting for your apology, though, since I know you will never, ever admit that you're wrong.

[quote]Threads get deleted because people F and F them

No. Threads get grayed out because of several F&Fs. But only Muriel can delete a thread.

R274, I was referring to legal changes, not DL. Obv. Blocked tho.

Think you may be projecting there, R291.

r292

[quote]GLAAD is a gay rights organization

Not Anymore.

R299: PATHETIC. Find ONE fucking gay website or gay magazine, or gay anything, that's PURELY GAY GAY GAY ONLY.

It doesn't exist anymore!! And they call that progress!! FUCKING HELL. And gay people who defended the other letters and still do, must hate themselves beyond definition, because there is no other logical explanation for it!

Maybe we start calling the US TexiForn York. The other states don't really matter. At least get rid of Hawaii and Alaska since they don't share the same weather systems. Get rid of the territories. They are only holding th US back. If you get rid of states below the national GDP, the country can be as small and selfish as the people who live there.

Not at all, R298. You loons have been trying to gain support here for four years and have failed miserably. A smarter person might have wondered why and tried different tactics. Thankfully, none of you are that smart.

[quote] No. Threads get grayed out because of several F&Fs. But only Muriel can delete a thread.

True. But Muriel notices and deletes threads because they've been ff'd a bunch of times.

Our threads do get deleted here, because TPTB don’t want gaylings to find our input, wisdom & warnings via a random search.

LOL... Gotta love the inflated ego, like the "TPTB" give a shit about you.

Your threads get deleted because your fellow gay men and women here don't like you and want you to go away. It just isn't that complicated.

R304 Hear Hear

Keep raving R305 ya mental cuntless wonder

305, why would gays & lesbians want to close a thread called “Changing Genders is easier than ever in NYC schools”...? See link.

You can deny that we are being censored all you want, but that doesn’t mean we are not being censored.

Just like how your insisting that some lesbians have penis doesn’t make it true.

TQ = Gay Plague the Second

Well, mostly R307, because you idiots are loony spammers who insist on posting the same old tired shit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

Since I've never "insisted that some lesbians have penis [sic]," I'm afraid that that's just more lying on your part.

[quote]TQ = Gay Plague the Second

And you wonder just why nobody takes you seriously and the people here just want you to go away....

simple question, r308: do some lesbians have penises?

Simple answer, r309: I don't play silly games.

That’s a very simple deflection, r310.

The answer is also very simple: “no.”

No. Lesbians do not have penises.

Lesbians are female homosexuals. And females have the reproductive organs that produce babies, not sire them.

It’s impossible to change sex. “Translesbians” are NOT lesbians because they are NOT female.

In truth, “translesbians” are heterosexual males — the most powerful & violent class of people on the planet.

And YOU are advocating for THEIR rights over homosexual females. As if the most powerful & dangerous group of people in the planet need more advocacy & power.

Simple answer, R311. I don't play silly games.

And thank you for confirming just how silly you are with that ridiculous, "As if the most powerful & dangerous group of people in the planet need more advocacy & power."

312, nothing is sillier than claiming men are women.

Your posts demonstrate otherwise, R313.

R314, my posts demonstrate that I support gay rights, & want to protect children from predators who pretend to be women.

Yours, however...are meaningless. You post no content at all. Just [italic]impotent jabs[/italic].

No wonder you’re frustrated. 😆

Dear heart, I'm not "frustrated." I'm amused. The total lack of self-awareness is hilarious. As for "impotent jabs," those like you have been trying to change things here and elsewhere for the past four years and have gotten nowhere.

Now what was that you were saying about "impotent" again?

[quote]total lack of self-awareness is hilarious

Coming from a straight man who “identifies” as a lesbian 😆😆😆

Dear heart, making shit up [italic]really[/italic] isn't helping you. I'm a gay man, dear. Do try to keep up.

Things that are sillier than transgender men and women:

[quote]R61 clearly hates women. Pretty much sums up the T agenda, & why so many rad fems say they actually a men’s rights group.

[quote]R157, the Ts have never condemned the pedos who hide among them. If anything, they ridicule people who care about children as unhinged “pearl-clutchers” who screech [italic]”Won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!?!”[/italic]

[quote]The Ts don’t acknowledge how much porn they all consume. Whereas, real women, don’t as much. Especially after a certain age.

[quote]The Ts don’t acknowledge how many of them get boners just from dressing up or listening to women urinate.

[quote]R213, gender exists only in our imaginations.

[quote]If the TQs are not threatened by what we post here...then why do they keep closing our threads?!?

[quote]DL is the only “gay site” where grassroots gays have a voice.

[quote]And we DLrs have said consistently for years that T ideology is homophobic & misogynist. That it’s impossible to change sex. That kids are unable to consent to sterilization.

[quote]This is the only gay site where that says these things. All of the other gay sites spew T propaganda that is hurtful to the gay community. But nobody knows this. Because T is a Trojan horse.

[quote]Our threads do get deleted here, because TPTB don’t want gaylings to find our input, wisdom & warnings via a random search

[quote]TQ = Gay Plague the Second

[quote]As if the most powerful & dangerous group of people in the planet need more advocacy & power.

I rest my case.

R318, is sucking dick a lesbian sex act?

If so, how many hours a day do you consume porn?

R320, what part of "I don't play silly games" are you failing to comprehend? Or are you just trying to add to my list of incredibly silly statements you've made?

321, it’s brilliant how you berate me for not being psychic & at the same time refuse to answer questions.

At least two Drag Queen Storytellers have been arrested for indecent acts with children.

[bold]Why hasn’t the TQ community taken a zero-tolerance stand against pedophilia?[/bold]

And you can “ohhhhh think of the children” mock pearl-clutch me all you want. The fact is: I’m not queer. I do care about children. Queer is a homophobic slur designed to keep us on the fringes. Homosexuality is not queer. It’s not kinky. It’s just same sex love. Nothing wrong with it.

I'm not "berating" you "for not being psychic," dear. I'm "berating" you for making shit up and playing silly games and coming up with ridiculous statements like those quoted in R319.

I'm not even "berating" you, really. I'm mocking you. Playing with you. Having fun with you. Is any of this sinking in? And you keep right on giving me ammunition with statements like:

[quote]Queer is a homophobic slur designed to keep us on the fringes. Homosexuality is not queer. It’s not kinky.

R323, well, you’re certainly not saying anything constructive to the conversation.

Probably because you want to avoid uncomfortable truths like “lesbians don’t have penises.”

Just following your lead, dear, since you're certainly not "saying anything constructive to the conversation." [sic]

Probably because you want to avoid uncomfortable truths like, "You're an obsessed nutcase and ignorant bigot."

There: constructive enough for you?

Threads get really uncomfortable when they reach that point where it's only two people conversing back and forth. Maybe exchange numbers or something lol.

Well, it's not like this thread was ever going to be useful, R326. It's just like the literally hundreds of similar threads that the anti-trans nutcases have posted here over the past few years. Most of us just leave these loons alone since, as you can see, there is no point in trying to talk to them and they don't have anything interesting or intelligent to say.

I just felt like playing with them this time. Every now and then, it's fun to watch them froth at the mouth and get all indignant when you dare to disagree with them and when you point out just how unpopular and ineffectual they are.

Np, r326. This is my last post...I agree it’s exhausting.

I do feel compelled to point out that r325 is the opposite of constructive. It is actually destructive.

Just like how invasive, expensive, risky “gender-affirming” surgery is actually genital-mutilating surgery for cosmetic purposes only. T ideology is “bass-ackwards.”

r327

[quote]just how unpopular... they are.

[quote]this thread has 61 W&W

Pick one.

Also

[quote]Please use the Flames and freaks, ignore poster and ignore thread features instead of engaging in pointless arguments with trolls. You are not going to change their minds. They do not care what you post. All they care about is the attention they receive. Don't give it to them.

But I am guilty of engaging with [people you consider] trolls sometimes as well, so it's okay.

R329, you loons have been posting here obsessively for over four years. Your threads routinely get locked and deleted. You have made no inroads here; it's still just the same shit posted here over and over and over again, none of it interesting or intelligent, all of it ignorant bigotry, and all of it from just a few obsessed nutcases. Almost all of DL leaves you firmly alone, as there is no point in talking to you. You're unpopular, dear. Deal with it.

[quote]This is my last post...I agree it’s exhausting.

Not for me. I find it, and you, amusing.

[quote]I do feel compelled to point out that R325 is the opposite of constructive. It is actually destructive.

That's the projection, dear, as all of your posts fits that description. You just don't like it when some of your own tactics are used against you.

[quote]T ideology is “bass-ackwards.”

Q.E.D.

Would that it’were so simple.

Still waiting for the OP to post links to sites which support hatred towards people.

If this discrimination and hatred is SOOO popular, you'd should have quite a support team, no?

So far, it seems to be a "team" of...one.

There are a few of them, R333, but I suspect they're embarrassed to show them, since the prominent ones are just as batshit insane as are the worst of the posters on this thread.

r330 And I can tell from your W&W's how "popular" your opinion really is vs. the lgb position. You are [italic]definitely[/italic] the arbiter on what's hot and what's not on the datalounge.

Dear heart, we're in *your* thread, remember? The rest of DL doesn't show up here because you nutcases aren't worth the time to engage with, other than when I want to be amused.

Scroll up a bit, dear. See that first post? The grayed-out text? The lines through it? That's the rest of DL telling you to STFU. Much like the hundreds of others of threads of yours that have been F&Fed, locked, and deleted. A smarter person might have figured out how things work here by now.

Why is the tranny so outraged at the suggestion that the LGB get away from the TQIA+++? On the one hand it tries to deride us by saying we are a small tiny number of losers who will be on our own, on the other hand it gets hysterical at the idea that we want to disassociate from the tranny madness. Surely if it thinks we are losers it should want us to go away and create a new community for ourselves (the trannies can have our old one, which they hijacked, polluted and destroyed) and leave the trannies alone.

Nobody on this thread is getting "hysterical" other than a few of your fellow loons, R337, which is why, as usual, you are simply making shit up that you know you cannot support.

That you are a small number of losers is obvious from your posts and threads, including this one. The rest of DL does, in fact, want you loons, specifically, to stop shitting all over the forum, which is why your threads routinely get locked and deleted.

You are welcome to create any new "community" you wish, as you've been told dozens of times over the past four years. It is advice you have never followed, mostly because you know nobody will join that new "community."

R337 used “outraged” not “hysterical.”

No reason to call anyone a “loon” here.

What “shit” was “made-up” on r337? Years ago we tried to d r a w p the T. And now lesbians are disrupting parades with “get the L out” chants. You cannot deny that there are gays & lesbians who do not want to be associated with “trans” people.

R338, the gay community shouldn’t have to make a new gay community. The T has successfully taken over everything gay. This already is a gay board. But since the content of DL comes from everyday gays & lesbians, you can’t control us. We can post anything we want on DL.

I predict your response to be something along the lines of: attack, insult, deflect, accuse, stalk & judge. You will contribute nothing meaningful. You will type a lot of words that sound passionate & knowledgeable, but they’ll have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand: that gays & lesbians want to dissociate from the trans & queers.

You can't read, can you? Here's the quote: "on the other hand it gets [bold]hysterical[/bold]...." The shit that was made up was that anyone was "hysterical." Do I need to use smaller words? I've read this thread; there is ample reason to call many of you people "loons." Some of your posts are hilariously loony, not to mention more than a little "hysterical." I'll be happy to supply specific quotes, if you like, but they're right up there in the thread for you to read.

You're the idiots who want a "new community," so go ahead and make one and see how far you get. That whole "successfully taken over everything" crap is more bullshit that you cannot support. And yes, you can post anything you want here, just as the residents here are free to tell you to stop shitting all over the board, F&Fing your threads, and getting them locked and deleted because you're not welcome.

[quote]I predict your response to be something along the lines of: attack, insult, deflect, accuse, stalk & judge. You will contribute nothing meaningful.

Oh, you mean just like you? Not a single post of yours in this thread, including that one, contributed anything "meaningful." And no, "gays & lesbians" don't want to "disassociate from the trans & queers." You tried that with that silly "Drop the T" petition four years ago, a petition that got fewer than 3500 votes, even with massive publicity. You'e been trying that line here ever since, with hundreds of threads and thousands of posts and you've made absolutely no inroads at all. It's just the same silly shit posted over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, convincing nobody.

So much for that earlier post, where you wrote, "Np, r326. This is my last post...I agree it’s exhausting."

Loony:

[quote]R173: You need to fuck off Datalounge. You are going to be in for a big shock you gay and lesbian erasing bisexual, pansexual, trans, two spirit, queer lunatic, because pretty soon more evidence will be posted on Datalounge. The mountain of evidence will stack on top of the already existing mountain of evidence, of the nefarious hijacking and corporate erasure that has been designed to spread indescribable confusion; and erase gay people. Stay tuned on here for more.

One example among many.

The Gays have to take back their History and their movement. The alphabet soup is toxic and we have no use for it.

Stalkers gonna stalk.

You really thought that my last post of the evening meant my last post forever?

Anything to deflect from the truth:

1. it’s impossible to change sex.

2. T is gay conversion therapy.

3. Straight white men, the most powerful demographic on the planet, are using T to perv & claim minority status.

Dear heart, it's not "stalking" to look at your other posts on this thread. There is no "truth" to deflect from. Well, other than your own deflection that you were completely wrong about "hysterical" and that your fellow anti-trans idiots are indeed loony. And your deflection about the projection of not posting anything "meaningful."

As for "loony":

[quote]Straight white men, the most powerful demographic on the planet, are using T to perv & claim minority status.

I rest my case. You are, indeed, loony.

Wow, one poster here has around 1/3rd of the posts here. How is that possible? Are most of the Pro-Trans posts from one person?

Probably, R346, mostly because the rest of DL shuns these threads as the shitfests that they are. There is no point in having a discussion with the anti-T loons unless you want to amuse yourself at their expense.

R347, how can you possibly claim to not deflect when you can’t even offer a definition of the word “woman”?

Whatever. If you believe that men are women, then you simply are not rooted in reality. There is no point in talking to someone who thinks gender-critics are loons, gays are queers, & straight men are lesbians.

(And vaginas are front-holes, penises are strapless dildos, double-mastectomies are top surgery)

R348, how you can you possibly claim to not deflect when you can't even admit to the concept of gender identity?

Whatever. If you believe that there is no such thing as gender identity, then you simply are not rooted in reality. There is no point in talking to someone who thinks that "Straight white men, the most powerful demographic on the planet, are using T to perv & claim minority status" isn't loony or who simply makes up shit about what other people believe and then attacks those strawmen.

I will note that you still haven't admitted you were wrong about the use of the term "hysterical" by one of your fellow loons.

[quote]you can't even admit to the concept of gender identity

We [italic]engender[/italic] our [italic]sex[/italic].

Is it possible to change sex? No. Since gender is based on sex, then it’s impossible to change gender.

If anything is “hysterical,” it’s the idea of allowing a straight man to change clothes & shower with girls & women simply because he says he “identifies as female.”

T is actually a men’s rights movement. It enables men to perv on women & children. That’s the last thing women want.

There. I did not deflect. Now your turn:

What has the T community done to condemn men who pose as women to assault children & women? Where is the outcry against Dana Rivers, Julianna Fialowski, Cherno Biko, Karen White, Dana McCallum, Dean/Nadine Williams, William Jaggs, Ian Huntley, the guy who attacked Julie Bindel, etc.

Two “drag queen storytellers” have arrest records for child porn. Obviously, predators are in the T community. So why hasn’t the T community addressed it? All they have to do is simply state that it’s wrong & will not be tolerated.

But instead they make “Desmond is Amazing” a thing.

Don’t deflect. Answer my simple question: why hasn’t the T community condemned the Ts who have been caught victimizing women & children?

Thank you for confirming that you are indeed a loon, dear, and that you know nothing at all about the topic you're spending so much time on.

And thank you for confirming that you're fine with using the language and tactics of bigotry, that same rhetoric and tactics that have been used against gay men and women for decades. And you wonder why you haven't been able to gain any traction here despite four years, hundreds of threads, and thousands of posts.

And thank you for continuing to refuse to admit that you were wrong about the use of the term "hysterical" by one of your fellow loons.

R351, you’re mad at me because the T community won’t call out T predators?

Dear heart, I'm not even remotely "mad" at you. I'm amused by you. Do try to keep up.

And I'm amused because you keep using the language and tactics of bigotry, apparently with a total lack of self-awareness, something you did again in R352. And you loons wonder why nobody ever takes you seriously.

I will note that you still haven't admitted you were wrong about the use of the term "hysterical" by one of your fellow loons.

I lost track of whatever petty mistake you’re obsessing over.

To me, the fact that straight men are considered lesbians is more important.

Do the high numbers of sexual predators in the T community bother you at all? Don’t you think it’s weird that your community harbors so many pervs? Why don’t you speak out against them?

LOL.... Sure you, "lost track." Right.

Does using the language and tactics employed by bigots bother you at all? Don't you think it's weird that you're making up shit about a "community?" Don't you think it's weird that you automatically assume that anyone dares to disagree with you must be part of that "community?" Why don't you speak out against people who lie so readily and use such hate-filled tactics?

I will note that you still haven't admitted you were wrong about the use of the term "hysterical" by one of your fellow loons.

R355, and I will note that:

1. You still haven’t defined the word “woman.”

2. You still haven’t admitted that sex predators hide amongst the Ts.

3. You still haven’t admitted that it’s impossible to change sex.

And I will note that you are still using the language and tactics of bigotry.

And I will note that I still don't play silly games.

And I will note that you still haven't admitted you were wrong about the use of the term "hysterical" by one of your fellow loons. Funny how you just cannot bring yourself to admit this.

How is defining half of humanity a “silly game”? Who gave birth to you...?

How is condemning the predators, like Karen White, who hide in the T community, bigotry?

The gay community kicked out the pedos in the 1970s. Why is doing that today considered “bigoted”...

Dear heart, I do so love that you're employing precisely the same tactics and the same language that have been used against gay men for decades, blissfully unaware of how this comes across. And I love that you're still pretending that you're not playing silly games, all the while you ... continue to play silly games.

I can play these games as long as you want because, unlike you, I don't take this seriously at all. You're here for my amusement, nothing more.

And I will note that you still haven't admitted you were wrong about the use of the term "hysterical" by one of your fellow loons. Funny how you just cannot bring yourself to admit this.

Men who identify as women are just as violent as men who don’t:

Whatever you say, George. Do let us know when you have something relevant to add.

R362 = MRA

Whatever you say, George. Do let us know when you have something relevant to add.

R364, did trans women of colour start the Stonewall riot? Can lesbians have penises?

ROFL.... You really aren't very bright, are you, R365? I don't play silly games, dear. I never have and I never will, no matter how often you try these rather obvious, not to mention more than a little pathetic, tactics.

I'm wondering why you, as a trans defender r366, are unable to agree with what are standard trans beliefs: that trans women of colour started Stonewall and that lesbians can have penises.

Obviously, even you believe that the basic fundamentals of trans ideology are bullshit.

Dear heart, I'm not a "trans defender." I'm an attacker of ignorant bigotry, of which you continue to provide an abundant supply. There is a difference.

Oh, and dear, that "obviously" thing? It really isn't working for you. Blatantly lying, as you continue to do, is not a particularly effective tactic.

And repeating again, since you seem to have a real problem with basic English: I don't play silly games, dear. I never have and I never will, no matter how often you try these rather obvious, not to mention more than a little pathetic, tactics.

[quote]I don't play silly games, dear.

You don’t answer questions, either. You just tell people “they’re wrong.” 🙄

R369 Why are you feeding the troll? They are just winding you up and you keep biting

[quote]"I LOVE WOMEN AND CIS WOMEN."

That's like saying I love the colour red even though it might be green and all colours that are definitely red.

Makes no sense.

"Cis" women are the women, the non-cis women aren't the real women so why would you bs like that?

[quote]You don’t answer questions, either.

Help me out here, R369: what part of, "I don't play silly games" are you having trouble understanding?

[quote]You just tell people “they’re wrong.”

R369, dear, I don't have to prove you wrong; you have to prove you right. Thankfully, you, like the rest of your peers here, are an ignorant bigot, which is why I get to have a lot of fun with you.

[quote]Why are you feeding the troll? They are just winding you up and you keep biting

R370, because they're stupid. Is that really so hard to understand? You and the rest of your peers are not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed, if you catch my drift. For example, your posts include such gems as:

[quote]R292 Muriel never ever comments, typical lying tranny scum

[quote]But the tranny complaint threads are always removed, because Mediaopolis is in bed with GLAAD, we all know this and have known it for years.

[quote]These threads are not censored because we are not telling the truth, they go because of money and business

[quote]Gay site, trannys are a threat. Stop using despicable, you sound silly and childlike

Like I said: stupid.

R372 is lying.

I did not write those last four comments attributed to me.

Clearly, you’re the stupid one.

You’re also a liar.

Not shocking at all. Because T is both stupid & dishonest.

What is shocking is how much power & money the Ts have. Stolen from gays & lesbians, of course.

LOL.... Oh, you poor thing. I point out that you're stupid and what do you respond with? Stupidity. As with your peers, there is literally nothing I can say that would make you look as bad as you just made yourself look with your R373 reply.

Even better, you completely ignored your own post at R370. You loons really are priceless.

Well, r374, at least I know that men are men irrespective of how they “identify”.

And at least I’m not homophobic nor misogynist. I don’t want to endanger kids, whereas the Ts want to fuck up their bodies for the rest of their lives. And lots of Ts are turned on by kids...and the T community is ok with that.

Do you troll professionally? Because I admit, you are quite good at it.

I didn’t post r370...but you’re the pro. Well, not in realty...only in imagination.

Oh, honey, that's not good trolling; you're just not very bright.

Oh, and remember what was said about blatantly lying? It's really not working for you.

Lying is claiming a man can be a woman.

Lying is claiming it’s possible to change sex.

Lying is telling a likely gay boy he’s actually a girl

No, dear; lying is what you've done throughout this thread. But then, that's all you've got, isn't it?

Like I said, not very bright.

Lying is saying that trans women of colour started the Stonewall riots. Lying is saying that lesbians can have penises.

No, dear; lying is what you've done throughout this thread. But then, that's all you've got, isn't it?

Like I said, not very bright.

What's funny about morons like you is that all you have is the same old tired set of talking points that you spew here over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...

and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

And because the rest of DL stays far away from "your" threads, all of your fellow loons all give you points. And, meanwhile, the rest of DL just wishes you would STFU and GTFO. Sadly, you will never learn.

R381 Has posted 4 times on DL, all on this thread, all troll posts talking shit. Just ignore the cuntless wonder

And yet, because you loons aren't very bright, you will continue to respond.

Oh, and moron, I've posted on more than this thread. You *still* don't know how DL works, do you? If you haven't been in those other threads, you don't see my other posts. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, although it certainly seems to be beyond your capability. Like your peers, you're just not very bright.

I guess r384’s strategy is simply to exhaust us.

He can’t defend T ideology because it’s indefensible. So all he can do is distract from that fact.

He can’t define “woman” or “man,” which is the foundation of T’s circular logic. So all he can do is attack...incoherently.

He can’t discuss gay history because it doesn’t align with T propaganda.

For SOME reason, he’s unable to condemn the child predators who hide among the Ts. 🧐

He dismisses women’s concerns about seeing penis is women’s spaces, or losing athletic competitions & scholarships to men who simply SAY they’re women, even though he’s unable to DEFINE “woman.”

He calls us “morons” because we know it’s bio-LOGICALLY impossible to change sex. 🙄

He’s superior to us because he knows how to manipulate social media. 😂

Everything about T is fake. It’s a contagion spread via social media.

T is like social media: it exists only in the collective imagination. Like the emperor’s “new” clothes.

It’s very destructive to women, gays, & children.

The only group that benefits from T is men. Straight men, self-loathing gay men, pedophiles. It really is a men’s rights group. That is why the Ts often call T critics “man haters.” Their agenda is to normalize men’s sex fetishes. They want to expose their erect penises to women & children. They want to trick kids into trusting them. They want non-consensual sex with straight men.

I don't have a "strategy," dear. I'm here to amuse myself at your expense; nothing more. I've made no secret of that. You're *really* not very bright, are you?

Thank you, by the way, for fully living up to what I said in R381. And for continuing to blatantly lie. It really isn't an effective tactic but it's all you have so you'll just keep doing it ...

over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...

and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

And what's really hilarious is that your post at R385 was so unhinged, so over-the-top drama queen, so ridiculously silly that I don't need to do anything but point and giggle.

[quote]I'm here to amuse myself at your expense

Ah...so you’re a troll. Your honesty is refreshing.

Dear, did it *really* take you this long to figure it out? Seriously? LOL.... So not only a liar but genuinely short-changed in the intellect department.

Got it.

“Dear heart”, I’ve always known you’re a troll. I was just pointing out how refreshing your self-admission at r386 was. It’s the only honesty you’ve demonstrated.

Carry on with your “trolling.” We see you.

So nobody here is defending trannies??? It’s just trolls trolling?

George, dear, given the number of blatant lies you've told in this thread, you are the last person to lecture about "honesty." And the difference between us is that I can document your lies but you cannot find a single "lie" I've told. That will not stop you from making the claim, of course.

R390, you must be new to these threads. Most of DL stays far away from toxic shit like this. We have a tiny subset of *really* obsessed individuals who post the same tired shit over and over again, in thread after thread. Over a thousand threads in the past four years, none of which has won them any converts.

There is no point in defending transgender issues or individuals on these threads because these loons are incapable or listening or learning, so few of us bother to even visit their threads, much less try to talk sense into them. And most of their rhetoric is so ridiculous and so hilariously over-the-top that it's self-evidently bullshit, so no need to point that out.

[quote]given the number of blatant lies you've told in this thread

Back up that assertion, or be dismissed as a useless troll with zero credibility.

There is no point in defending transgender issues because they’re indefensible.

All of these are deliberate and blatant lies, dear. And I didn't even get to the hilarious lies you wrote about me, none of which were based on reality.

[quote]R61 clearly hates women.

[quote]the Ts have never condemned the pedos who hide among them

[quote]The Ts don’t acknowledge how much porn they all consume. Whereas, real women, don’t as much.

[quote]gender exists only in our imaginations.

[quote]DL is the only “gay site” where grassroots gays have a voice.

[quote]And we DLrs have said consistently for years that T ideology is homophobic & misogynist.

[quote]This is the only gay site where that says these things. All of the other gay sites spew T propaganda that is hurtful to the gay community. But nobody knows this. Because T is a Trojan horse.

[quote]Our threads do get deleted here, because TPTB don’t want gaylings to find our input, wisdom & warnings via a random search.

[quote]Just like how your insisting that some lesbians have penis doesn’t make it true.

[quote]Coming from a straight man who “identifies” as a lesbian

[quote]Queer is a homophobic slur designed to keep us on the fringes.

[quote]This is my last post...

[quote]R337 used “outraged” not “hysterical.”

[quote]The T has successfully taken over everything gay.

[quote]T is gay conversion therapy.

[quote]Straight white men, the most powerful demographic on the planet, are using T to perv & claim minority status.

[quote]R362 = MRA

[quote]Not shocking at all. Because T is both stupid & dishonest.

[quote]What is shocking is how much power & money the Ts have. Stolen from gays & lesbians, of course.

Waiting for you to identify a single lie I've written. You can't, of course.

Prove that those are lies.

Let’s start from the top: when have Ts condemned the pedophiles who hide amongst them?

George, dear, I don't have to "prove that those are lies." You have to prove that they are true. You cannot, of course, because they are, in fact, lies. As for the one you picked, you provided the evidence for that in your own posts. Perhaps you should learn to read what you have written?

Still waiting for you to identify a single lie I've written. You can't, of course.

More lies:

[quote]He can’t defend T ideology because it’s indefensible. So all he can do is distract from that fact.

[quote]He can’t define “woman” or “man,” which is the foundation of T’s circular logic. So all he can do is attack...incoherently.

[quote]He can’t discuss gay history because it doesn’t align with T propaganda.

[quote]For SOME reason, he’s unable to condemn the child predators who hide among the Ts. 🧐

[quote]He dismisses women’s concerns about seeing penis is women’s spaces, or losing athletic competitions & scholarships to men who simply SAY they’re women, even though he’s unable to DEFINE “woman.”

[quote]He calls us “morons” because we know it’s bio-LOGICALLY impossible to change sex. 🙄

[quote]He’s superior to us because he knows how to manipulate social media. 😂

[quote]Everything about T is fake. It’s a contagion spread via social media.

[quote]T is like social media: it exists only in the collective imagination. Like the emperor’s “new” clothes.

[quote]It’s very destructive to women, gays, & children.

[quote]The only group that benefits from T is men. Straight men, self-loathing gay men, pedophiles. It really is a men’s rights group. That is why the Ts often call T critics “man haters.” Their agenda is to normalize men’s sex fetishes. They want to expose their erect penises to women & children. They want to trick kids into trusting them. They want non-consensual sex with straight men.

Cracks?

First of all, thank you for re-posting my comments. They bear repeating.

Secondly, how does one “prove” that the T community has never condemned the pervs who hide among them? All I can do is provide a list of T pedos, rapists & murderers whom the T community has not condemned.

Here’s the most prominent T activist, Roderick “Laverne” Cox defending a man called “Synthia China Blast.”

[quote]Latin Kings gang member Synthia China Blast (born Luis Morales) held captive, repeatedly raped and brutally tortured Ebony Nicole Williams, a 13-year-old girl from Harlem, according to prosecutors.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote]They bear repeating.

Yes, they do, so that everyone can see just how loony you are and how much you need to resort to lies since you cannot make your case without them.

[quote]All I can do is provide a list of T pedos, rapists & murderers whom the T community has not condemned.

ROFL.... Oh, you poor thing. You actually think that's a valid rejoinder? Shall I "provide a list of gay pedos, rapists & murderers" that you have not, personally, condemned? That's hilarious. I look forward to reading your blog posts about every single "gay pedo, rapist, & murderer" so that I can verify that you properly "condemned" each and every one of them.

Thank you for confirming, by the way, that you were lying.

Still waiting for you to identify a single lie I've written. You can't, of course.

[quote]Here’s the most prominent T activist, Roderick “Laverne” Cox defending a man called “Synthia China Blast.”

So you decide to prove you're not lying by ... lying. Do you really think we cannot read, dear? Cox didn't "defend" Blast.

400, your lies “identify” as truth. There’s no point in engaging with someone who believes that what is false is true.

It likes arguing with someone who believes 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 = eleventy billion

Thank you for admitting that you cannot defend your lies. And that you cannot find a single lie that I've told. Better luck next time.

You’re lying, r401. He certainly did defend a man who kidnapped, raped & tortured a 13 yo black girl.

No, George, she didn't, which is why you very carefully don't quote her. You're still lying.

When have Ts condemned the pedophiles who hide amongst them?

What's hilarious about this is that all of this is such an article of faith with you that it never seems to have occurred to you to question any of it. You mindlessly regurgitate your talking points without ever wondering whether any of them are true. And when challenged, you resort to the tactics that you are using in this thread: attack, insult, deflect, accuse, stalk & judge. You will contribute nothing meaningful. You will type a lot of words that sound passionate & knowledgeable, but they’ll have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The answer is in your own posts, R406. Perhaps you should learn to read? Have you finally figured out that Cox didn't "defend" Blast or are you still going to lie about that?

Still waiting for you to identify a single lie I've written. You can't, of course.

Have to run, dear. Fun though this has been, real life is calling. I'll check back tonight to see if you've managed to find a single lie I've told. Or if you've managed to actually support any of your lies.

You can't, of course, so I'm confident that all I'll find is more evasions, attacks, and silly games. Alas, that's all you have.

R407, T is a cult.

Your post suits them to a T.

Gender isn’t even real. It is man-made...based on patriarchal sex roles.

R409, in other words:

[quote]0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 x 0 = eleventy billion

I’m fatigued from this flame war. I plan to retreat & peruse the articles at r397 & r399.

r411, remember what I said about blatantly lying? It really isn't working for you. Thank you for confirming that you cannot back up what you wrote and you cannot identify a single lie I told.

Do try harder next time, won't you? This was just too easy.

Drop the T, r412.

Yeah, well, see, R413, you loons tried that four years ago and got fewer than 3500 people agreeing with you. And you lot have been here ever since and all you've managed to do is piss people off, failing to accomplish anything.

Sucks to be you.

Nah, I'm fine being me. Yeah, 4 years ago the whole "LGBT" bullshit hadn't fully shown its true colours - although there was still a huge drive to beat down and silence anyone who questioned the transgender ideology. But recently, especially in recent months, more and more actual gay people are becoming increasingly sick of it. Just the very fact that Muriel is no longer immediately deleting the posts where we try to talk honestly about the transgender ideology (despite your attempts to derail the threads) shows that more gay people are becoming aware of the problems with the T ideology and "TPTB" can't really ignore those problems and are aware of the need to make space for them to be discussed in.

I'm under no illusion that it will be an easy task to get rid of the transgender infiltration but in a few years - once the full effects of pro-transgender legislation and the chopping up of teen bodies start to become apparent even outside of the "community" - that the task will start in earnest and there will be much questioning of the claim that gender is simply an identity that you decide for yourself.

As for pissing people off, that's not at all the case in the real gay world, as opposed to the fake construct of the "LGBT communuty" presented by the media/IG/political organisations. In reality, you are the one that is isolated among actual gay people - which is why you are the only one arguing your ideology here and there are many of us resisting and challenging it.

[quote]Yeah, 4 years ago the whole "LGBT" bullshit hadn't fully shown its true colours

So you idiots claimed three years ago. And again two years ago. And again last year. And again this year. And you'll claim it again next year and the year after and the year after that. And yet, somehow, "peak trans" never arrives.

[quote]But recently, especially in recent months, more and more actual gay people are becoming increasingly sick of it.

So you idiots claimed three years ago. And again two years ago. And again last year. And again this year. And you'll claim it again next year and the year after and the year after that. And yet, somehow, "peak trans" never arrives.

[quote]Just the very fact that Muriel is no longer immediately deleting the posts where we try to talk honestly

LOL... As I've already noted, "honestly" isn't part of this discussion. Muriel has never "immediately deleted" your posts. As long as you behave yourselves and stay in your own threads and don't keep spamming the place, your posts will survive. It's when you loons start trying to turn DL into Anti-T Central that your fellow posters here tell you firmly that they have had enough, at which point your threads get deleted. It's not rocket science.

[quote]and "TPTB" can't really ignore those problems and are aware of the need to make space for them to be discussed in.

There are no "TPTB" and there is no one "aware of the need to make space for them to be discussed in." Your entire post was fantasy, based on nothing at all but wishful thinking.

[quote]I'm under no illusion that it will be an easy task to get rid of the transgender infiltration but in a few years - once the full effects of pro-transgender legislation and the chopping up of teen bodies start to become apparent even outside of the "community" - that the task will start in earnest and there will be much questioning of the claim that gender is simply an identity that you decide for yourself.

So you idiots claimed three years ago. And again two years ago. And again last year. And again this year. And you'll claim it again next year and the year after and the year after that. And yet, somehow, "peak trans" never arrives.

[quote]As for pissing people off, that's not at all the case in the real gay world

I was referring to Datalounge, where you undeniably have pissed off the regular posters here.

[quote]In reality, you are the one that is isolated among actual gay people

ROFL.... Moron, you are a tiny, tiny minority here and everywhere else. You will remain a tiny, tiny minority here and everywhere else as long as you continue as you have begun.

[quote]which is why you are the only one arguing your ideology here

Dear heart, I'm not "arguing" any "ideology" here. I'm simply pointing out that you're full of shit, that you are ignorant bigots, that several of you are demonstrably mentally ill, that your posts are not backed up by reality, that you're all a bunch of drama queens, etc. Mostly, I'm having fun at your expense because you lot are so unhinged that nobody here takes you seriously.

Do lesbians have penises, r417?

R418, he won’t answer any questions because to him they are “silly games.”

He only plays offense.

He will just name-call (loon, idiot), lie & accuse.

Like Trump, he will call the truth a lie, and a lie the truth.

You're really not very bright, are you, R418? As noted repeatedly above, I don't play silly games. I do love, though, that silly games is all you loons have to offer. It's so transparent.

And R419, so much for "I plan to retreat." It's just too sad that you can't quit me. You have been challenged repeatedly to find a single statement of mine that is a lie, of course. You have failed, utterly. Your silence on this speaks volumes. Come on now, dear little George: just one.

And if you can back up any of your statements that I called out as lies, by all means do that, as well. Again, this is a challenge that you have failed. You have not been able to defend a single one of those lies. And the only one you tried to defend, you failed laughably as your own link didn't say what you claimed it did, i.e., it was another lie.

Both of these should be trivially easy. My posts are here for all to see, as are the lies that you've told. Thus far, all you've been able to do is resort to the tactics that you are using in this thread: attack, insult, deflect, accuse, stalk & judge. You will contribute nothing meaningful. You will type a lot of words that sound passionate & knowledgeable, but they’ll have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

This playing out in the PP context is pretty wild

T strike again

This tweet is interesting

Beth Crispin ‏

@iyamiyam 3h3 hours ago More Replying to @o_ema Translation: she resisted erasing "women" as a political class.

It is quite a thread

A. Pacheco ‏

@revivin_ophelia 2h2 hours ago More Replying to @o_ema @_Sowellsista_ Huh, really did not expect her to be fired for being a TERF and not woke enough.

1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes Reply 1 Retweet Like 3 Direct message New conversation

Ellie Kesselman ♕ ‏

@EllieAsksWhy 2h2 hours ago More Amazing, she emphasized reproductive care for women rather than pushing PPs trans political agenda... and she was a physician but got fired

It is not just LGB orgs that have been taken over.

The sheer numbers in IT were a clue.

"The study of 177 people...."

[quote]all you've been able to do is resort to the tactics that you are using in this thread: attack, insult, deflect, accuse, stalk & judge. You will contribute nothing meaningful. You will type a lot of words that sound passionate & knowledgeable, but they’ll have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

R420 is a plagiarist. Those words are mine.

And I said I was retreating from the flame war, not the thread.

Dear heart, I used your own words against you to make a point, one that clearly went sailing right over your head. Funny how you don't like those words, even when they apply to you far more than they do to me. I love how you keep inventing excuses for not doing what you said you were going to do.

Both of these should be trivially easy. My posts are here for all to see, as are the lies that you've told. Thus far, all you've been able to do is resort to the tactics that you are using in this thread: attack, insult, deflect, accuse, stalk & judge. You will contribute nothing meaningful. You will type a lot of words that sound passionate & knowledgeable, but they’ll have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The article at r397 is a breath of fresh air. 🙂

[quote]The concept of changing one’s biological sex is, of course, nonsense, as sex is determined by unalterable chromosomes. An individual can change his hormone levels and undergo surgery to better imitate the opposite sex, but a male on the day of his conception will remain a male on the day of his death.

Haven’t we been saying exactly this on DL for years now???

LOL... Yes, George, dear, you have, and it was just as stupid the thousands of other times you said it, which is why nobody here pays attention to you. I do love that you found an article that is titled

[quote]The Cracks in the Edifice of Transgender Totalitarianism

so convincing because it's precisely the same kind of drama queen rhetoric that gets you laughed at here. What's even better is that had you checked the other articles from that particular drama queen, you would have seen articles like:

[quote]Mandating Our Religious Freedom - People of faith must reclaim their religious freedom, granted by the Creator and protected by the Constitution.

and

[quote]Empower Parents: Restore the Constitution by Returning Educational Policy to the States - Presidential candidates in the 2012 election must be prepared to protect the interests of parents and children nationwide by rolling back the progressive education agenda and returning to the states their constitutional power to make decisions about education.

and

[quote]Why Does the College Board Hate George Washington and MLK?

and that she believes in such principles as:

[quote]Respect for human life from conception to natural death

[quote]The union of one man and one woman as the definition of marriage

[quote]The freedom to practice and proclaim religion in the public square

In other words, you're supporting an ignorant bigot, just like yourself. But hey, you just go right on breathing that "fresh air."

[quote]nobody here pays attention to you

Dude, my post at r385 has 11 WWs.

You’re a liar & plagiarist.

Support for women from a hot rugby player

[quote]Dude, my post at [R385] has 11 WWs.

ROFL... Dear heart, do you really not understand just how many visitors DL gets? 60,000 daily repeat visitors; 19 million unique visitors a year. 11/60,000 = 0.000183. 11/19,000,000 = a number too small to note. In other words, nobody, just as I said.

[quote]You’re a liar & plagiarist.

And yet, so far, you haven't been able to come up with a single lie I've told and haven't been able to do anything about your own lies documented above. And you haven't been able to address the fact that you just approved the writings of an ignorant [bold]anti-gay[/bold] bigot.

You really are a special kind of stupid, aren't you, dear?

R432, good for Dan Leo. He’s exactly right:

[quote]Oppression disguised as inclusivity 👎🏼

Hopefully this mass hysteria is FINALLY on the way out.

Yes, dear, that's what you said four years ago. And three years ago. And two years ago. And one year ago. And this year. And yet, somehow, it is never "FINALLY" on the way out, probably because it's not "mass hysteria." We can add that to your list of lies.

The "dear heart troll" is so condescending that even if I agreed with him (which I largely don't) I would never back him up in person or online--insufferable.

The "math" at r433 fails to incorporate the interaction/engagement variable into the equation, rendering it completely useless. I'm sure r433 thought he was proving something(?) but without taking into account the percentage of users who not only view a thread but also engage in thread moderation (W&W/F&F) r433's "analysis" is worse than useless--drawing conclusions based on NO data is often better than drawing conclusions based on BAD data. Further, you'd need to weight the total number of W&W you can give out (many) against the total number of F&F you can give out (few), which likely leads to a structural bias towards W&W.

The most W&W I've ever seen since the new green-bubble-paradigm is 67. Let's assume DL gets 60k daily visitors (as Muriel thus spake), and let's also assume that every one of those visitors has moderation privileges. Further, for simplicity, let's ignore the time-series aspect and assume a thread posted on any given day receives all of it's potential views, replies, and moderation on that same day. That's an positive engagement rate of .11% and by positive I mean people W&W and didn't either F&F or choose not to engage on that particular piece. Now, many people who SAW that thread with 67 W&W probably DID either F&F or choose not to engage--despite being potential moderators, i.e. W&W/F&F elsewhere, just not on that thread.

This is a good place to remind the reader that what we're trying to do here is estimate what percentage of people W&W a specific post (%W&W) OUT OF all the people who COULD have potentially W&W a specific post (%TOTAL) , which would give us a rough estimate of relative popularity of the post. There exists a hypothesis called the "1%" rule (see link) that tries to estimate how many people engage with internet content, which we can briefly summarize as: of all visitors, only 10 percent contribute and 1% create new content (compare this with the "80/20" rule in other sciences). Applied to DL daily views, we can estimate that there are 6000 contributing daily users, giving us %TOTAL = 6000. We COULD further trim that estimate down, and if I we wanted increased accuracy we definitely would, but for now let's just keep it.

Using a %TOTAL = 6000 and %W&W = 67, we get a naive estimate of relative popularity of 1.12%, significantly higher than r433's method, which would give us .11% for 60k and 0.000353% for 19mm (a completely bizarre number for r433 to use).

I can't believe I wrote this entire meaningless essay. What a loser! Anyway, thanks for reading and stay in school.

Talk about off topic! Is pedestrian data analysis THAT much worse than the gender wars, though? Here's the link I forgot:

[quote]The "dear heart troll" is so condescending

That's intentional. It's a means of expressing utter contempt for an ignorant bigot, as well as providing me with a source of amusement at the ridiculous overreaction in return.

In this case, the contempt has been well earned. Sane and secure people would ignore me; the ignorant bigots cannot do that because in their own minds they are the true heroes, fighting the "transtapo," fighting to "preserve" LG, preventing "an entire gay generation from being erased!!!!!" and all of the other ridiculous nonsense they spew, much of which you can read on this thread. The fact that none of that is true usually eludes them until someone points it out and rubs their nose in it. Note, in particular, that this specific ignorant bigot could not defend their nonsense when it was pointed out to them.

The "nobody listens to you" comment also happens to be true, since this same bigoted group of people has been trying for over four years now to turn DL into anti-T central. Over a thousand threads, tens of thousands of posts, and all for nothing, since they are such ridiculous drama queens, employing even more ridiculous, not to mention more than a little offensive, rhetoric and tactics, that the rest of DL has expressed its displeasure many times over, F&Fing their threads to the point where they routinely get locked and deleted. Their elaborate conspiracy theories to the contrary have never added up but they cannot bear the evidence of their own failures and irrelevancy.

And that's even with the fact that most of DL stays far away from this toxic bullshit. As do I, most of the time, other than the occasional thread like this where I check in to see if anything has changed (no) and whether they display any signs of self-reflection (no) and whether they are having any luck, here or elsewhere (no).

The "dear heart" troll supports fellow LGBTQIA2S++ community member "jessica yaniv" in HER struggle to get HER penis and testicles waxed by Canadian immigrant women of color. "Trans criticism will not be tolerated on the DL," says the "dear heart" troll, "and your 'conspiracy theories' about 'men in women's spaces' will NOT be tolerated either!" The "dear heart" troll has stated her boundaries--let no MAN dare challenger her!

The LGB community has a history of casting out pedos, even blocking them from Pride parades.

Other communities have yet to do so.

R440, that was then...this is now: the TQs are large & in charge of the gay community. And they harbor pedos & pervs.

Homophobic bigots are using this to justify homophobia. We are between a rock & a hard place. Trapped inside the backlash. Both sides against us...

So agree.

[quote]The "dear heart" troll supports fellow LGBTQIA2S++ community member "jessica yaniv" in HER struggle to get HER penis and testicles waxed by Canadian immigrant women of color. "Trans criticism will not be tolerated on the DL," says the "dear heart" troll, "and your 'conspiracy theories' about 'men in women's spaces' will NOT be tolerated either!" The "dear heart" troll has stated her boundaries--let no MAN dare challenger her!

Dear heart, since not one word of that nonsense is true, I wonder why you thought that posting it was a good idea. Does blatantly lying work on the other forums you frequent.

Pretty much par for the course for you loons, of course.

Being defeatist solves nothing. It just makes it easier for them to paint us all as a monolith and for our prior organizing and goodwill to serve as a shield.

Many LGB are speaking out and speaking up for kids. In the UK L started a Get the L Out, in the US, Dr*p the T was tried and raised awareness. The Equality Act was actively organized around, leading to unprecedented alliances. Lesbians and concerned parents met at the Heritage Foundation and common ground was found.

LGB have a unique viewpoint and credibility, with most having once been GNC kids and with experience with pedos trying to hide in the movement and being repelled in the 70s and 90s.

They may have infiltrated LGB orgs but that is not unique, look at medicine, academia, education. We are not alone. We cannot we just wring our hands and give up.

[quote]The LGB community has a history of casting out pedos, even blocking them from Pride parades.

After allowing them in Pride parades for quite a few years. What I find interesting about this is not just the vileness of the accusations, which are clearly false, but the fact that they have been used against the gay community for decades. And that you don't even seem to understand that you're recycling these same accusations.

Gay men are pedophiles? Check.

Gay men are trying to convert our children? Check.

Gay men are mentally ill? Check.

Gay men are trying to silence dissent? Check.

Gay men can't be trusted to shower with other men? Check.

Gay men can't be trusted to be teachers/counselors/scoutmasters? Check.

Gay men are drug users? Check.

Gay men have attacked innocent protesters? Check.

Gay men are anti-science? Check.

Gay men can be "cured?" Check.

"This one gay idiot somewhere said something stupid. Therefore, it applies to all gay men?" Check.

All of these threads, attacks, and accusations are virtually identical to those leveled against the gay community for at least the past fifty years. You can still see these same attacks on your typical evangelical right-wing site today.

And you idiots wonder why you can't get any traction here. We've seen this shit before. We didn't like it when it was directed at us and it isn't any better directed at someone else.

[quote]the TQs are large & in charge of the gay community. And they harbor pedos & pervs.

You really do like lying, don't you? Both of these statements are laughably false.

[quote]Homophobic bigots are using this to justify homophobia. We are between a rock & a hard place. Trapped inside the backlash. Both sides against us...

Paranoid and stupid are not good ways to go through life, George, dear.

R444, linking to the Heritage Foundation *really* doesn't do anything to bolster your case.

For example, this information is now circulating widely. Brave? Stunning? Human rights warrior? Not the words that first come to mind, no.

Racist, sexist, anti-gay? Check, check, check.

Add pedo and perv.

Yup, r449.

And Kamala Harris tweeted her support of him.

Gay+ works for me. I'm a lesbian and gay is probably the word I use to describe myself almost half the time.

I don't see gay and trans as compatible. Think of a glory hole: It is men for men. Gender has nothing to do with it. A trans man doesn't have much to stick through that hole.

For me, being gay is that simple: I like women, women's bodies, and for lack of a better term, bio or lifelong women. That is going to feel like erasure for a trans person so I voice that thought IRL much. I'm not rewording how I feel to accommodate a group I'm not attracted to.

Biology is real and athletic advantages to men begin BEFORE BIRTH.

r445 The difference is that in this case many of the 'accusations' are DEMONSTRABLY TRUE?! How can you not get this?

[quote]TRAs are trying to convert our children? Check.

Google 'gender desisting' and discover that left untreated, ~90% of children who have gender identity issues mature into fully functional GAY men and women. If, instead, intervention with the child occurs (i.e. transitioning either socially, medically, application of 'puberty blockers,' etc.) then the child is virtually guaranteed to continue to have gender dysphoria throughout his or her life. The math doesn't work here, "dear heart" troll.

Read the DL thread and accompanying article titled "it feels like conversion therapy for gay kids"--that quote was said by someone who WORKED at the tavistock gender clinic, a whistleblower!

[quote]TRAs are mentally ill? Check.

Homosexuality isn't a mental illness/disorder because, outside of homophobia, it causes no negative effects on a gay person's mental state, and requires zero treatment (outside of developing good taste and sucking dick). Are you seriously arguing that gender dysphoria is totally divorced from mental health when it is also untreated?

Google the many PEER REVIEWED studies documenting a correlation between gender dysphoria and other mental disorders--most recently a major study was published showing a strong correlation between gender dysphoria and autism, start with that one.

[quote]TRAs are trying to silence dissent? Check.

If you seriously believe this isn't happening, then you need to get your eyes checked.

[quote]TRAs have attacked innocent protesters? Check.

Google the astounding art exhibit shown at the San Fran public library by the "degenderettes." Note: the library eventually asked them to remove the baseball bats.

Now, "dear heart" troll, note that I never said trans folk... I said TRAs..., and that's where I think your fundamental misunderstanding lies. Regular trans people I'm sure are NOT supportive of the behavior of their communities most vocal. Nonetheless, the TRAs (or trans rights activists) persist un-silenced in their frankly bizarre and extremely off-putting campaign to force society to accept them as females in all ways, including sport, victim's shelters, and even gyno insurance. They have coined the term 'cotton ceiling,' describing the hate-crime level offense to their identities when female lesbians refuse to have sex with them. They have a delightful new slur, "terf," used in place of "bitch" to call any female (or male, but mostly female) who questions them--in ANY way. The TRAs are driving this ridiculous new activism under the flag "LGBT," and the LGB who find it distasteful are immediately branded as bigots, terfs, hateful, and neo nazi/alt right. It IS ridiculous, and what we in this thread fear is the backlash, which you bet your handmaiden-ly little gay ass is coming.

Has JY and his latest scheme - a topless swim team for little girls 12 and up been discussed.

No parents allowed, other adults are ok tho. Pervs of a feather and all that.

What a mockery of the legal system, the concept of human rights and the fiction that protecting children is a goal in a decent society all of his antics prove to be.

...degrading and narcissistic triviality...

R454, is that petition real ?? And he is trying to have this clotheless swim for people "12 and up" on behalf of Gay, Lesbians, and Bisexuals!!!

That fucking pervert is trying to have a nude swim and using gay rights as a vehicle.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

They deleted the Yaniv thread? Shame. There were some great posts on there.

R458 He's famously litigious.

Many unstable people are.

A dose of reality from Samoa?

Mr. Yaniv is another good example of the famous co-morbidity populated throughout the transgender community.

I guess Free to Be You and Me was a long time ago? Boys playing with dolls and girls with trucks all being fine??? Not cause for childhood sterilization, castration or double mastectomies whilst still in high school?

The thread about young peopole becoming increasingly uncomfortable with all of this is interesing. They are not alone. After Ellen, one of the few remaing lesbian media outlets, agrees.

We all giggled over MichFest, wish we could turn back the clock. The time to speak up is now. If lesbians, doubly targeted, can find common ground to fight back alongside the Heritige Foundation, we can all find a way to do our part, if only raising awareness. Once the legal penalties for speaking out grow, that chance will have been lost. With US jurisdictions criminalizing pronouns and the police increasingly showing up in the UK, we all need a sense of urgency.

Clymer at HRC is a sad bellweather. There are still a few born lesbians there according to a friend. NCLR is T led however. The pedos, fetishists and sports cheats would Peak T most, if only they were aware and did not confuse supporting US with supporting JY.

Pink News Posted that?? Absolutely disgusting that they can get away with so much misogyny.

Misogyny and homophobia in a bright new package. The erasure of women and LGB. LBG is not a huge % of the population, if enough kids are transitioned as tots, how many LGB will exist in future generations? The sterilization of children, the mentally ill and those on the autism spectrum is what should trigger human rights investigations, not JY economically targeting female immigrants.

[quote]R445 The difference is that in this case many of the 'accusations' are DEMONSTRABLY TRUE?!

Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say. Too bad that you're still lying. No, dear, they are not "DEMONSTRABLY TRUE," which is why none of you lot can "DEMONSTRATE" that they are "TRUE." The accusations, rhetoric, and tactics were vile and false used against gay men and women (mostly the former); they are equally vile today.

[quote]How can you not get this?

Probably because, unlike you, I live in the real world. As expected, you were unable to back up any of your assertions. It's the same old shit you've been spewing here for the past four years.

[quote]The erasure of women and LGB.

And this is just one of the reasons that nobody here takes you seriously. You're such ridiculous drama queens, writing such hilariously stupid shit, that everyone just laughs and ignores you.

"dear heart" troll BTFO by his mistaken support of Jessica Yaniv. He can't understand why anyone would claim that TRAs are threatening women, and that the brazilian immigrant must have had to shut down her business for some other reason, unrelated to JY's Human Rights Tribunal claims. This is why no one takes you seriously, "dear heart" troll. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

R469, tell me, does blatantly lying work on those other forums you frequent? I never said one word about Jessica Yaniv.

As for the rest of your mindless rant, of course nobody here takes me seriously on these threads. I'm just here to point out how much you casually lie and how hilariously stupid your remarks are. And you just keep right on playing into my hands, over and over again.

A smarter person would have figured things out by now. And wouldn't need to lie.

It's not a lie to say that forcing biological females to wax the penis and testicles of another "woman" or face penalties is an actual, real harm to women. It's not a lie to say that former employees of the UK's leading children's gender clinic themselves described the process currently taking place as "conversion therapy for gay kids."

Yet you ignore both facts and claim that there is no risk to females or gays, and that anyone claiming otherwise is an alt-right boris neo-nazi transphobic troll. That's wrong, and your support enables pedo creeps like JY to continue to do things like lobby her municipality for a 12-25 year old "no parents allowed!" topless swim at the local pool (this is a real thing that is happening). Oh, by the way, JY brands this as an "LGBTQ" event, something that the "dear heart" troll I'm sure is fully supportive of, given his ridiculous support of this nonsense previously and his total disregard/denial of ANY negative consequences resulting thereof.

It's time to wake up "dear heart" troll. Just stop, it's over.

LOL.... What's "over," r471? Your lies? Not at all, since your entire post was nothing but lies, none of which you can back up, of course, which is why you don't even bother to try. You cannot find a single statement of mine that in any way resembles anything you claim about me in that post. I find it interesting that you've been caught repeatedly lying and your only response is ... to keep lying.

As for your efforts here, you've been trying for four years now and have accomplished exactly nothing, other than pissing off your fellow posters and the webmaster.

Something is clearly "over," dear, but it isn't me. A smarter person would have figured this out by now.

No because it's more powerful when sticking together. In case things like this happen.

Stick together like a bundle of sticks. Which also happens to be called a faggot. Sometimes called a short faggot, a faggot of sticks equals a bundle of wood sticks or billets that is 3 feet (0.91 m) in length and 2 feet (0.61 m) in circumference. The measurement was standardised in ordinances by 1474. A small short faggot was also called a nicket.

Anyway sticking together not splitting hairs.

I guess nothing will stop "dear heart" troll from continuing to lie about lying and from refusing to engage with any facts, preferring the "fingers in ears" approach to actual discussion. As situations like JY, Karen White, the recent post about the young female who went on "puberty blockers" for four years and is not in poor health and has a child's body as a 16 year old, etc. continue to amass, "dear heart" troll will be forced to change his talking points from "nobody agrees with you, you're just annoying" to "well, yes, the general public is now starting to agree with you as irrefutable evidence adds up, but I'm STILL not going to acknowledge anything about threats to women/conversion therapy... I'll just ignore it and call you a liar like I have been doing!" Eventually we'll reach a point (and that point will be the tokyo 2020 olypmics in case you were wondering) where "dear heart" troll's antics will become to sophomoric even for him, at which point he will suddenly claim to ALWAYS have been a skeptic, and in full support of women and gay kids. Even then, if confronted, he'll continue with this "you're lying!!!11" nonsense, as infantile as it seems. Pity the "dear heart" troll as he dances his last--the lights are off, but it turns out nobody was ever home.

So, basically, the “dear heart” troll is exactly that: a troll. He offers no argument, just as hoc attacks.

It’s disingenuous for him to say that he has not expressed support for Yaniv when all he does is support for transwomen. Yaniv is a transwoman!

“Dear heart” won’t answer simple questions such as:

- what is the definition of the word “woman”, or

- what’s that difference between a transwoman & a man?

He’s just here to troll. That’s all.

He is here to troll and derail the thread.

Discussing a troll at such great length (hint, you are not going to change his mind!) merely helps him derail the thread. Who wants that?

Block him and move on as our wise webby advises.

[quote]I guess nothing will stop "dear heart" troll from continuing to lie about lying

You have been repeatedly challenged to come up with a single lie I've told; you have failed. I've documented yours. So once again, you're simply lying. What's hilarious is that you know you were lying and you're simply hoping that nobody else will notice.

[quote]and from refusing to engage with any facts

As soon as you provide any, I'll be happy to engage with them. Do let me know what you intend to do so, won't you?

[quote]preferring the "fingers in ears" approach to actual discussion.

LOL.... Just following your lead, dear.

[quote]"dear heart" troll will be forced to change his talking points from "nobody agrees with you"

Yes, dear, that's what you said four years. And again three years ago. And again two years ago. And again last year. And again this year. And that's what you will say next year. Do let me know when this utopia of yours will come to pass, won't you? I can hardly wait.

Well, duh, R476. It's not like it's a secret. On the other hand, it's not like this thread was ever going to result in any kind of productive, or truthful, discussion. Your threads never do.

Sorry folks, I thought the "dear heart" troll and I were the only people left in this thread. Since that's not true I promise to stop engaging with him. I haven't even read his last 4-5 posts, it's all the same BS every time!

LOL.... Oh, I do so love the blissful lack of awareness on the part of our anti-T trolls. "It's all the same BS every time!"

Yes, dear, it is. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, you ignorant bigots post the same drivel, the same BS, every time.

And I'm still waiting for you morons to document a single lie I've told. And to own your own lies. I suspect I'll be waiting a long, long time.

You are living a lie. Every microsecond is a self-weaved delusion, an ego driven artifice fighting against cold, uncaring truths.

ROFL.... Oh, you poor thing. Is that really the best you can do? That's fucking hilarious!

Thank you! :)

I feel like I should be paying you for the stupidity. Do you have a Patreon account?

Feline AIDS is the number one killer of domestic cats.

I'll meet you at my favorite ride, The Hall of Presidents!

Oh, dear, no. I wouldn't even dream of meeting up with someone like you. I'd be too afraid that the ignorant bigotry would show and that I'd be tarnished by association.

It's official: I can't have children.

Waah-waah-waaaaa!

I guess Roy isn't doing as well as they first thought.

LOL.... I'm talking to a five-year-old, aren't I? Dear heart, I'm a 60-year-old gay man who can, in fact, sire children. Do try to keep up.

I just love these self-owns, where these morons make themselves look far worse than I ever could.

Disney World really is fun, makes me feel like a kid again. I mean, the time before my two years stint at Children's.

This thread is such rubble now...

[quote]LOL.... I'm talking to a five-year-old, aren't I? Dear heart, I'm a 60-year-old gay man who can, in fact, sire children. Do try to keep up.

Time to let "Dear Heart" in on the joke...

You mean like every other of these anti-T threads? When are they [italic]not[/italic] rubble? It's the same old shit, every single time.

Womp womp, r485

Thank you so much for your contribution, George, dear. It's by far the most intelligent, and the most honest, thing you've said in this entire thread.

T will not self police but LGB really need to speak out against this.

Drag was a G thing and it was not about pedos. FFS!

There have been several instances of convicted sex offenders scamming into contact with kids at libraries, literally hiding behind LGB goodwill with the public.

if the dude in r497 wore trousers, there’d be a tent.

At least two Drag Queen Storytellers has arrest records for molesting kids.

Who wants to bet they use photos like r497 as j/o material?

So you're whining about an op-ed from an anti-trans loon who is in turn whining about drag queens "fondling" children, even though the one picture in that article showed no such thing, and then you're insisting that the picture in that article is "j/o material?!"

You need help. Badly.

[quote]You need help. Badly.

Lol...says the dude defending men in drag rolling on the floor with children. 🙄

Ihat's because I don't have the sick, twisted, and perverted mind that you have just demonstrated. Anyone who looks at that picture and immediately jumps to "j/o material" is psychologically ill.

You're not only an ignorant bigot, as you have also repeatedly demonstrated, you very likely have pedophilia tendencies. Because those are the only people who would do what you just did and say what you just said.

Thank God I don't know anyone like you in real life. I pray you get the help you so clearly need.

Should we educate ourselves r501 ?

Riiiight, r501. We are in an age of peeling the masks off pedos...from the Catholic Church to the BBC to Michael Jackson to Jeffrey Epstein...to even president trump.

What do you say about the two DQ story tellers with arrest records for pedophilia...? Or that Yaniv dude who gets off on topless 12 yos & their tampons?

You really think that all people are stupid enough to not see what’s really going on here? You may get passed the ignorant woke fools. But they’re not the majority.

You're right that people see "what's really going on here." They see you making up stories, obsessing about them, regurgitating them over and over again, throwing out random accusations and then doubling down when you're called on it. They see your obsession with pedophilia, inventing it where it has not occurred, and trying to twist harmless incidents into something sick and perverted.

There is something fundamentally broken in you. I pray you get the help you so clearly need.

So pathetic that "dear heart" troll W&W each of xir own posts. It's abous what xi is doing--each "dear heart" troll post only ever has one and exactly one W&W. I bet xi did it before the green bubbles were added too, just to feel like someone agreed with xir. Sad.

r505 abous = obvious.

So pathetic that you have to mindlessly make up a new attack. It's obvious what you're doing, that you have no answer to the points being made here, so you have to just randomly make up an attack instead. Sad.

r507 I stopped replying to you quite a while back, and I'll stop again after this very comment. You're tedious and boring, your constant assertions that "everyone is making up new attacks on me!" despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary is pathetic and borders on pitiable. You call everyone else a liar, but are the only one proven to be lying (yes dear heart, proven. just because you deny things like "facts" and "evidence" doesn't mean the rest of us, those stupid enough to still be engaging with a quite clearly by this point mental patient don't know basic english).

I wrote this Haiku for you:

You will respond with

"False accusations and lies!"

'Dear heart' needs his meds.

[quote]despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary

If there were any such "overwhelming evidence to the contrary," you'd have provided it. You did not, mostly because you can not. You cannot identify a single lie I've told; you cannot defend the multiple lies you've told that I've documented. In short, this, too, was another lie.

[quote]but are the only one proven to be lying (yes dear heart, proven.

And yet, somehow, you have not been able to even list, much less "prove," a single "lie" I've told, despite being repeatedly challenged to do so. You are mindlessly making up an attack and praying that nobody will notice. You lot do this all the time and you respond the same way every single time: doubling down on the attacks and the lies.

You need help.

I do love the irony of an anti-trans loon complaining about "tedious and boring" after four years here of posting the same old tired bullshit. The lack of self-awareness is hilarious.