🌈 Richard Madden & Brandon Flynn: Part 37 Epic European Tour Continues... 🇬🇧

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Aww Charlie on Brandon's ig stories

Aww Charlie boy looks so cute. I bet his daddies miss him.

I think maybe Richard has some kind of work thing today since B is hanging with his friends in London.

I think Brandon is ready to go home..I bet you he misses Charlie..he’ll be back in a few days

Charlie cute boy, they were both liking staff on ig before, I wonder if Richard is with them or he's working, maybe they'll go to Paris tomorrow, I hope we'll get a pic before this European tour ends!

Dior is happening or not?

R5 Yeah true, R could easily be with them too.

I clicked on the girl from his ig stories tagged pics and she went to prom with timothee chalamet haha what a small world

Yeah i'm thinking at least one of them is attending the Dior show in Paris as well. They've been liking multiple posts by Kim Jones about the show.

Awww yeah those are his friends he hangs out with every time he’s in London. He had IG stories with the girl this time last summer which were hilarious. They were wine drunk and roaming around Shoreditch speaking French while Brandon played acoustic guitar hahahaha

Which friends is Brandon hanging out with ?

I was just on that guy’s IG and he has a post of he and Brandon in London in September last year. It seems to be a throwback since B commented that he missed him. I can’t remember when B was there but I thought it was last summer?

R12 he was most recently there (pre Richard era) June 28th for DAZED interview

R11 he tagged them on his ig stories

She took this infamous “Samdon” photo

From last summer!

I’m happy Richard let Brandon out of the bedroom so he can go hang with his friends lolol

Timeline

Is their European sex tour almost over?

Oh dear GODNEY the term "Branchard" makes me wince so much.

R18 HAHAHA wouldn’t be surprised if they had one more location planned.

I think Brandon is ready to be back with Charlie. I’m guessing that’s a throwback photo, but what would be even more sad is if Kevin sent that to him :(

I feel like every thread needs a moment of silence in respect for the power of Brandon Flynn.

Like this shit is unreal.

r8 Ansel too

r22 Same. I'm in awe.

They all went to Rutgers together and lived in NYC for a bit, love that they still keep up.

R22 RIGHT?! It makes sense when you see him and his interviews etc but seriouslyyyyyy he has Richard whipped and in love, and in such a short amount of time. I bow down to him.

I think British press are over Richard they seem to have stopped following him to pap.

r26 They didn't really follow him much to begin with.

R26 He was literally papped two days ago.

R28 Only because he was leaving a celeb filled hotel. But yeah I think Brandon and Richard are done being papped in general. We will have to live off the April and May pics for a while lol

Thanks R13 do you think that picture is from the same trip or was B there again later?

R22 Tell me about it!

Brandon is such a gem.

Richard doesn’t have anything to promote so he’s not in the paps radar. Brad Pitt was able to disappear from the paps for 2 years but now that his new movie will be out in the cinema soon he has been pap again in his daily life.

R26 Eh, Richard isn't hassled by them that much when he's there in general. Not saying it doesn't ever happen, it of course HAS happened and will happen again (maybe if we get lucky and they get UNLUCKY, B might even feature in the pics. I wonder would the DM call him roommate or flatmate 😆) but mostly, he's just able to go about his business.

R is making it dull for the paps. Same jacket, running to and fro cars. There can only be so many like that. I bet paps are still trying to get one of them together.

They won't tho r35

R30 I believe it was last May when he was there with Sam.

R19 it's legit cringe

Jesús. I just keep looking at pictures of Sam and think what a fucking upgrade B made. I'm not saying Sam is a bridge troll but waking up to Richard Madden vs THAT

R19 I'm just glad we haven't adopted it here...

R39 Waking up to Richard’s deep accent must be enough to set his loins on fire like...holy shit

[quote]Richard doesn’t have anything to promote so he’s not in the paps radar. Brad Pitt was able to disappear from the paps for 2 years but now that his new movie will be out in the cinema soon he has been pap again in his daily life.

I wonder why actors are able to not get papped the whole time and then get papped repeatedly walking around on random streets when they try to promote their new projects and to get buzz for them... It's called pap strolls where the celeb calls the pap. The celeb gets publicity, the pap gets photos he can sell.

I wonder if Richard has met Brandon’s old college friends yet. I feel like he’s only really met some of the 13RW crew + Kevin. He could be with B right now, but I get the feeling he isn’t. Maybe he’ll see Kit soon.

R43 there's no way of knowing unless they're seen out by someone

R43 but you make a good point that if Richard wanted to see Kit it might be awkward or weird for Kit if a stranger (Brandon) was brought along. I don't know that he'd feel super comfortable talking about his issues.

.., Kit Harrington is in London?

R42 Some of it is pap strolls, sure. But some of it is just whether they’re “the story” or not. Brad/Richard/whoever with a big new project out is more interesting and more of a story and more worth the paps time than “whoever” without any kind of story or news. Tabloids are more interested in them too when there’s something going on with their career. Famous people are able to go away and have off time, when they’re mostly able to lie low, nobody is followed ALL the time unless maybe they are calling them themselves or they’re incredibly famous (or their life is never-ending drama like Ben Affleck a while back.)

R46 Yep, he's home and was photographed the other day.

R45 oh yeah for sure, I don’t think Richard would bring anyone to their first hangout since the rehab stint which is totally understandable.

I love how we all would’ve figured out that Brandon was in London regardless because of this latest IG story lol. But kudos to the fan from this morning for getting a selfie!

R45 although it wouldn't jeopardize their privacy. All of Richard's friends are very low-key themselves

I'd wager Richard is busy since that seems to be the times Brandon goes to see people solo. Whether he's working or seeing Kit or whatever.

r42 It matters where you live. London especially is notorious for paps but if you hide out on some farm in bumfuck USA like Brad Pitt did of course you won't get papped. And he definitely needed to lie low and get sober so no wonder he went into hiding.

R50 Yeah, that’s what I think. He hung out with his bestie Nina in NYC awhile Richard did Live with Kelly and GMA + other promo, then I’m sure he met her later that night at the BLL after party. I also wonder if his “they hate me” caption on this story with his friends is because he didn’t see them the last two times he was in London with Richard LOL

Well, I know some here thinks Sam is a downgrade but Brandon called Sam “too handsome” and it wasn’t Brandon’s idea to break up as he did something .. I forgot ...when Sam cousin’s pleaded them to stay together because they are so in love on Instagram ..

Are Kit and Richard that close in real life?

R53 It’s called symposium compliments. It’s what one does. Brandon is nice

R54 According to K and R, they are tight in real life.

reiterating from the previous thread: can we please stop bringing up their ex's? it's really not relevant at this point and just takes up posts.

I meant Sympathy compliments not symposium. ^r55

R55 Oh, c'mon. Not to keep the Sam conversation going endlessly, but to say B only complimented him out of sympathy is harsh. When you’re in love with someone that person is beautiful/handsome/amazing/whatever to you. I know some on here can't seem to fathom B actually could have been into Sam but it seemed to me like he really was.

R57 Yeah it for sure gets old and for anyone hating on the sam and Brandon relationship, it’s clear that they were in love and both tried to make it work, but inevitably couldn’t. No need to bash Sam for no reason as everyone has moved on.

Anywaaaaays, I wonder when B is headed back to the states. AND FUCK COME ON NETFLIX WITH THE 13RW SEASON 3 TEASER! It’s annoying how they promote stranger things months in advance but for one of their other biggest shows, they start trailers like a few weeks before...I just wanna see new Brandon interviews, is that so much to ask?!

Do u guys think Richard is being paranoid? Is this how it’s going to be for now on? Leaving and entering and heading to the same direction 10 min apart ? I find that pretty exhausting..

R60 Stranger Things is out in July, isn't it? I think we're looking at waiting until August or September for season 3, maybe. They wouldn't put two of their biggest shows in the same month, would they? Or if they would, it's probably not a great sign for 13RW.

R61 Yeah, he could be paranoid but eh. For what it’s worth, I def don’t think Brandon came up with that idea LOL. But he’s probably in a completely different mind set than Richard since he’s already out as a gay man and has been spotted making out on the literal streets of every continent hahaha. I do think after a while, IF (and I say if because we have no idea), Richard is still pretty like avoidant when it comes to B publicly, then that may create problems for them. Not enough to break up, but I could see tensions arising as a result. They probably already compromised for this though.

R61 I hope it’s not what they’re looking at for always. Maybe it’s just for this time, staying in a hotel that literally has fans camped outside, and the chance of photographers always. Though tbh it’s for that reason I don’t get why they haven’t just moved hotels (or why they’re IN a hotel when Richard has a house there, but maybe those suggestions that he rented his house are right.) He can’t be THAT bothered about people knowing they’re there together if they’re still choosing to stay there.

I think 13rw is August at the earliest, maybe September. It might fall victim to the three seasons before cancelled thing Netflix loves. We'll see.

R62 yeah stranger things is out on the 4th of July, but what’s annoying is that they already released the trailer in March. I was looking at 13RW and last year the trailer/teaser were released only three weeks in advance if that....I guess the controversy has Netflix on their toes. I suspect the season won’t be out until August/September at this point, but my goodness you would think that they would atleast stir up the hype for the new season especially with the exit of their lead character.

R61 I don’t think he’s paranoid perhaps just not interested in feeding the paps with fodder. He’s talked about how much he hates being papped and what lengths he goes to to avoid it. This is before Brandon. So not surprised.

Why is it so crazy that they might just want their privacy?

Like how about Katie Holmes and Jamie Foxx? They didn't confirm their relationship for FIVE YEARS and were barely ever seen together during that time.

R65 If the ratings are good enough (release the damn numbers Netflix), I think it will have one more season as the Netflix execs predicted the cast would get another raise after season 3. The story ending in the 4th season would coincide with the characters going into senior year. I think stranger things is pretty much on its last legs as the kids are no longer young and have went through puberty.

R68 Katie Holmes was contractually obligated not to be spotted publicly with a new partner, as stated in her fucked up contract post divorce with Tom Cruise. That’s why she had to wait 5 years, but still they remain private probably out of habit.

R70 or because they enjoyed their privacy.

Yes I think all this leaving/entering separately is stupid and it would be exhausting. I get the need for privacy but come on it would seriously cheese me off. They could just be flat mates on vacation if they’re that worried how it looks. Being closeted in any form is not good for your own mental health.

R71 it was literally stated in her contract, which is why after five years they were FINALLY able to attend the same event together. As a whole though, they do seem very private.

R72 after all of this, anyone still believing “flatmates on vacation” would sound delusional...I mean okay maybe celebrating the roomie’s birthday in London but Boston and staying in Milan? Ehhhhhh LOL. Brandon would be traveling with Alisha right now if he wasn’t in a relationship so that’s how obvious it is that he’s with Richard right now. I feel like maybe after the NYT, they decided to just protect more of what is theirs.

R63,I still think the reason Brandon teared up in that pride issue is because he was thinking about Richard’s situation and how hard it is for him as a closet bisexual man being afraid to come out because he thinks there would be no career oppurtunites when there can be...

R66 I wish they would, but they did it this way last year too. Trailer out last minute, and interviews in America only started in earnest after it was already out, from what I can remember. And Brandon didn’t even DO much promo, he didn’t take part in any of the American promo circuit, from what I can remember, so we better hope he does more this year!

R68, what people are getting at is the strain of doing that, not the want.

Brandon clearly loves Richard so he's going to respect the fact that Richard likes privacy in his relationships and especially in one that would undoubtedly cause MAJOR headlines that I'm sure Richard just doesn't want. Not everyone wants to be known for their sex lives. He's done enough to make it obvious they're together.

I think Richard is really trying to hold onto his privacy. No one has seen him today but I highly doubt he sat in the hotel room all day. He probably went out a different entrance. Even then it's fair to assume Brandon wasn't with him.

I know exes are off limits here but I would really like to know how J Coleman is coping with this. Her and Matt Smith are R were really tight in the past I wonder if they still are. As some1 who was in a simiral situation myself I'd like to know what J thinks

R75 yeah, that probably was a part of it, but in general Brandon is crazy passionate just from what I’ve seen so he must’ve just felt overwhelmed. Richard is just extremely private regardless of gender. Last night, I tried finding pictures of him showing PDA with Jenna and in four years, there’s literally nothing except a cute red carpet moment. They didn’t even really hold hands in airports and stuff. Brandon probably researched Richard (come on we all do before dating someone) beforehand and saw that he was pretty hermit like so I’m sure he’s adjusted to it by now. He’s just so lovey and extremely supportive so I know he must be dying to like say stuff publicly about his man and his accomplishments, but he will be fine. They seem really good and it’s been atleast almost 7 months.

R79 The fan who met brandon said she believes Richard left from another exit so it’s possibly true.

R80, I am sure Coleman is fine. She’s moved on and even though I think her relationship with Prince Albert is weird, she keeps it very private too (they don’t arrive or leave events together, and she refuses to speak about him outside of his work on Victoria).

R80 Coping with what? They haven’t been together in years. She broke up with him. Do you honestly think she didn’t know he was bisexual?

R76 It’s always confused me that Brandon doesn’t partake in a lot of the major US interviews. Katherine and Dylan have been on late night shows and Ellen, but I guess it makes sense since they have the most screen time. It’s just strange to me that Flynn has been MIA for a lot of the promo because arguably he is more popular than Dylan and pop culture wise, more than Katherine (she had Love, Simon but still B dating Sam was EVERYWHERE). Maybe it’ll change this time around since Katherine is leaving and Dylan really is focused on his music. Brandon is easily the best actor on the show, so I hope he gets a lot more solo interviews this cycle so other directors and casting agents can pick up on his genius.

There are older interviews out there where Richard says he enjoyed playing Ashley (his sirens character) because he’s just a normal bloke like everyone else, in his mannerisms, behaviour etc, he just happens to sleep with men and it’s not a big deal, he’s not defined by his sexuality.

Maybe just maybe, Richard adheres to that way of thinking too and we’ll only ever know what he wants us to!!

r70 Has that been proven or is it a just a rumour. It wouldn't surprise me if it was but I've just never seen any proof of it, not that I've gone searching.

R83 Yet people aren't up in arms about the "strain" on them I'm sure.

R84 I know they broke up years ago but they were also friends I guess I'm just wondering if they're still friends or friendly

r17 someone in a previous thread commented "I love a timeline" and the next comment was "I love a piano" lmaooo

our favorite Twitter stalker got new pictures of Richard btw

r86 Yes, could be why he picked that role. Could see himself in it (maybe as a total slut too LOL).

R75 Can someone link me to that interview? I must have overlooked it.

Pics of R today entering hotel

If Brandon didn't do much promo last year, wouldn't he be inclined to do even less this year? He's just contributed to an article on visibility. Getting involved with Richards non-denial by echoing it or saying something similar could open him up to criticism. Ditto attending NY Pride. You know some outlet would love to caption a Brandon Pride pic with a snarky noting of Madden's absence.

R81 There's a picture of them kissing that a creepy fan took without them knowing. But you are wrong, there are hand-holding photos. Nearly every time they were papped together they were holding hands.

R94 Those are really really creepy.

R86 right?! Out of all the roles and characters he played Ashley was the one that was the most convincing and natural

[Quote] Not everyone wants to be known for their sex lives.

The straight privilege jumped out.

r94 See? Same jacket third day in a row. Paps must hate him.

R89 Someone mentioned awhile back that Jenna had liked a post Richard’s sister shared about him, I think from one of the Rocketman premieres. So I don’t know if they’re still friends in the sense that they would stay in touch, but Jenna seems happy with Richard’s success.

R87 Never proven, but people just assume it had to do with Tom’s Scientology practices.

Random I know....but I think Brandon needs to stop eating too many sweets..too many pimples on his forehead is a sign of junk food hehe

R103 ??? Some people just have issues with their skin. This is a pointless post.

R95 Brandon isn’t shutting down PRIDE parades for his boyfriend. I feel like the cast for the show is just so huge so Netflix tries to split them up for promo. I doubt Brandon would let dating Richard interfere with his career in terms of interviews when he could 1) blacklist the question or 2) change the subject super easily.

R94 LOOOOOL Richard is a troll. He only changed his jeans, I’m laughing. So I’m guessing he is hanging at the hotel while his man catches up with his besties. That fan is so happy she saw Zendaya and the Spider-Man cast lol

R97 You think photos of Richard entering the hotel, where fans have been standing around all day and Richard clearly knew that they were there and he willingly chose to walk through them, are creepy? What?

R103 he’s always broke out there - it’s common

R93 here ya go!

R106 god I know....

You need only google their names to find multiple pics of R&J holding hands on the street, eating outdoors together, photographing each other etc.

R110 Yes and they were dating for what, 5 years give or take? Give R and B a chance ffs. By the end of the year this could be an entirely moot point.

I love Richard's portrayal of Ashley on Sirens so fucking much.. I can't say it enough. It really seemed so natural. He was so delicious in everything he did on that show.

R101 that would be great I get that he's meeting new people through Brandon but it's also so important that he has the support of those who were in his life previously

Richard was for sure more free with PDA or being close in public or whatever when he was with Jenna, but even then, he was still pretty private about her and protective of the relationship when asked about it. As has also been said numerous times, their split seems to have left a lasting impact on both Richard and Jenna as both have gone on to be incredibly private about their relationships and anything about their romantic lives since.

So the fan that lied about Brandon not being there is encouraging the Italian fan to just stop Richard and ask for a pic.

R114 yes exactly! Plus he's just older now too and in a different place in his life/career and probably overall mindset.

R115 yeah she most likely ran up to him and basically forced him to take the pic (hence his face). She's gross. I realllllly hope she scrolled down Italy girl's twitter and saw the pic of Brandon.

R96 R110 R114 oh wow, I didn’t really see any. Time to adjust my google search, thanks guys!

R106 R110 Yeah, it is creepy. She asked with a photo, he didn't stop, and she took photos of him anyway when he clearly didn't want it. That's not okay.

This is okay. She came out smiling and waving. That's gives you the okay to take photos.

If Richard wanted to avoid being seen he would have went in a different way. He didn't. Of course fans are going to take pictures of him. He is well aware of that.

It’s not creepy. People are snapping pics of every celeb while waiting for the Spider-Man cast to leave the hotel for promo. Richard probably knows that they’re not his actual fans and doesn’t care to stop. He freaking took a selfie at his BIRTHDAY DINNER and seemed cheery. It’s because that person was an obvious fan and not stalker.

R90, that was me. One tries to maintain a sense of humor amid the fangirls doing their damnedest.

I'm sure I'll get blasted for this but I don't think it's right for these fans to camp out 24/7 outside a hotel waiting for any celeb regardless of the reason they're staying at the hotel.

Richard likely chose this hotel because he loves it and he wants his man to have a fab time regardless of it being a pap-magnate. The rooms look gorgeous

[quote]She asked with a photo, he didn't stop, and she took photos of him anyway when he clearly didn't want it. That's not okay.

She just took a photo of him walking into the hotel. He knew that fans were there who would do that. It's not that serious.

[quote]Richard probably knows that they’re not his actual fans and doesn’t care to stop.

Richard often doesn't stop to take selfies. It doesn't have anything to do with "real fans" or "other fans". Sometimes he's in the mood to take photos, sometimes he isn't in the mood. No matter if a real fan is asking him or not.

R94, Damn. Even those professional photographers couldn't even give a fuck. "Well, it's over."

Give me an example of how Brandon might change the subject super easily. If he echoes Richard's words, that will be contrasted to his easy acknowledgment of Sam Smith.

R123 I agree with you, although I’m kind of of the opinion that it’s ok to wander up and take a look at who you might see, even lurk a little bit when it becomes clear people aren’t stopping or posing for pics then it’s time to leave. I definitely believe being there for days on end is very wrong, also how can they manage it, I mean don’t they have jobs and/or responsibilities!?!

R111, keep your ffs to yourself. I was responding to the poster who made false claims about Richard and Jenna.

Italian girl has said, for what it’s worth, she’s not actually there for them. She’s excited to see them, sure, but she’s there for the Spider-Man gang.

R118, I can link several pics if you want. It will probably trigger the resident hall monitor(s) but that would only be a fringe benefit.

129 You are being aggressive don’t you think? If you haven’t anything nice to say then perhaps zip it!!

R129 I wasn't actually talking to you when I said that. Maybe I need to be more clear. Butttt you'll have an issue regardless so why should I even bother? Maybe I should give you a nickname so you'll always know I'm talking to you.

R131 that would be lovely, thank you!!!

R127 Brandon probably will say he’s met a lot of cool people in the last year that he’s excited about and then bring it back to the subject of the show. Or I have a feeling Alisha will chime in about being his soulmate and make jokes that she’s the only one dating him. I don’t think he’ll say what Richard said at all because that’s not his personality.

Soooo, Italian girl says that B is back at the hotel but arrived separately. And the English superfan who knows that B has no business there is thinking if driving up (and then deleted her tweets). As you were...

R130 Yep, 90% of them are actually there for Spider-Man cast. Richard and Brandon just ended up staying at the same hotel because I’m assuming the location is closer to some of their fave restaurants/activities.

R135 Damn, R returns and B is like "bye guyz gotta go back to my mans now"

R135 Oh damn, that hangout was quick. I saw that tweet but assumed she meant from earlier. So I’m guessing, Richard and Brandon were together with his friends? Since they arrived back around the same time.

R133, you quoted a post number, silly.

I just laughed thinking about how in like a month we're gonna have people on here complaining about R and B being too co-dependent and how unhealthy it is lol

R137 timing

Italian girl has owned the last few threads.

R133 I knowwww I did because I was pigging backing off of your info. But my jab was aimed towards the people complaining. Listen, I'll take the L on this one. Truce?

R143 *piggy lol

R140 in a month they’ll probably be separated doing their own thing so hopefully people don’t say that. they just seem attached at the hip which makes sense because at the beginning of their relationship they were often in different cities/countries, so now are probably trying to make up for time wasted.

Trigger warning: Ex present

#1

R142 Bless her. She’s doing the lord’s work, even if it’s really coming as a nice side effect of Spider-Man crew hunting.

No one yell at the person posting these photos of Jenna and Richard, as i personally requested them!

r146 he looks so skinny there

R+J were cuteness overload

R149 I preferred his twinky figure over the more buff one :( But my opinions doesn't matter haha

Skinny Richie Rich is body goals.

Ex #1, Part 2

They look very basic . Massive upgrade to Brandon.

R75 I doubt B sees R as being "closeted" I think he just feels like a persons sexuality shouldnt be a huge deal. R isn't being private because he's hiding in the closet. If that were the case he would not be seen with B publicly

R153 Shes so tiny and cute. I hate the way Richard holds hands...he’s a pancake hand holder, not an interlocked fingers one :(

Oh so B came back first!

R156 isn’t that a sign of the level of intimacy? I think I read that somewhere. Maybe if one day we’re blessed with a handholding pic of R and B, their hands will be intertwined.

Ex#1, Part 3

Brandon isn't the only one who indulges in the bad taste of wearing flip flops on the street...

We love a helpful stalker! We should make the suggested gofundme a reality and sponsor Italo creeper girl to follow our fave gruesome twosome on their European trek.

This fan is everything lolllll. Precise times and everything. Okay so nevermind then, I believe Brandon caught up with his friends while Richard did whatever else.

They were obviously out together with Brandon's friends..

Why are we getting trolled with Jenna? It’s in the past and there is no relevance. Plus what a bore

R163 likely they spent the day separately and met up at the hotel after.

Pic with Richard

R162 unlikely since they came back about an hour apart. I think R just had shit to do lol

Oof. The actual time they returned down to the minute?! The timeline ain't even that detailed... I hope those of you who register that x y z is creepy light that fan's ass up...

God, this Jenna girl is fugly...

r156 Interlocked fingers is fucking uncomfortable.

R158 Hmmmm I think it’s just personal preference.

This Italien Fan is doing the lords work. Bless.

Jenna is cute unlike S*m S***h. Less of him, more of her!

Yeah I don’t think they were together. Brandon always hangs out with those two so they probably just spent the majority of the day to catch up.

R165 I know it's just someone behind Richard in that pic, but it looks like he has two ears on the one side lol

R159 even when holding hands, he’s nonchalant about it.

R165 on a scale from 1 to 10 how creepy is it that I wanna fuck this hair on him

r165 R's hair is looking so good. I approve of his silver foxing and curling.

Someone quickly suggest that R needs a botox to get rid of the visible lines on his forehead! Dude is 33 going on 74!

R178 how many times are we gonna do this...

R178 It’s not that serious. He’s so beautiful.

R178 the wrinkled forehead is so hot he's daddy

R165 I love his greys, it’s so cute. Never change madden.

r182 Yeah, R has wrinkles; B has pimples. It's all good

Im praying he grows his hair out long and curly for Ikaris in the Eternals.

Ex#1, Part 4

From one of their IGs?

Why are we always reliving ghosts of sexes past?

Oh, I didn't read the time correctly lol, I thought they came back at 6 both of them lol! So Brandon came back early to greet his man, sweet! I love that they look like a married couple, they do their thing and then reunite at "home". Btw the page continues to reload and it's so annoying!

Do we really need so many posts about his ex, especially at it is not even his recent ex?!

R185 Oh wow, they’re so cute. Thanks for posting these!

R186 R188 I asked earlier, so it’s not them, it’s my fault. They can stop now though since people are getting annoyed. I’m appreciative.

R187 Richard had his bag with him so I wonder what he was up to. Also, Brandon so would’ve been out drinking right now...he’s so married. This time last year in London, he was schwaaaasted, but still incredibly charming as always lol

Screaming @ that fangirl’s precise timing of when they individually arrived back at the hotel.

Someone nominate her for the Pulitzer.

Sexes past?

Eu não nego ele é safado e ainda por cima é carinhoso

Ele faz tão gostoso, ele faz tão gostoso

Ele não quer compromisso e na minha casa é perigoso

Ele faz tão gostoso, ele faz tão gostoso

ELe sabe que eu sou casada e ainda amo meu amor

Ele faz tão gostoso, ele faz tão gostoso

B came back to the hotel with his friends so Richard got to meet them I'm sure!

Had to block the ex troll.

R194 How do you know?

R196

R197 Thanks and wow, Brandon is introducing Richard to his close friends!

This is too much stalking. It’s actually sad

Awww Brandon looks cute. What an adorable twink.

R199 My dude.. they're walking in the front door. Please chill. We've been over this so many times today.

No, this is what God intended when He created Italo creeper girls. Thank you God!

Oh my gosh how lovely!! His besties were probably dying to meet Richard!

LOVE THIS ITALIAN FAN WHO ISNT EVEN HERE FOR THEM! Quick everyone save the photos LOL! Thank you spider man cast by default. Brandon is fucking HOT as always.

Is this Fan staying at this hotel too? I don't think I would have the patience to sit all day and wait to catch pictures of a celebrity

The fan met Zendaya so her day is made lol

So I'm wondering if they all hung out together and R just decided to arrive first or was he meeting B there with friends?

I think Richard was doing something else since he arrived so much later. Brandon probably wanted to continue hanging out with his friends and decided to bring them back so they could meet his boyfriend.

Richard had a bag with him so I think he was out running errands or something else he had to do. Tbh they weren't out that long. They both left the hotel around like 1:30-2pm and were back a few hours later.

they are hiding as much as they can...duh

Awww I wonder how Richard is meeting his new friends. I’m sure the accent stuns everyone into sultry silence 😍

R and Tom Holland.

R212 I just let out such a loud laugh, BAHAHAHAHA. You win this thread for today.

Brandon looking cute and sexy, it's sweet that he introduced his friends to Richard, ok when is the wedding? By the end of the year, I think they are going to be engaged!

R212 Brilliant!!!! Thank you

Attention: Block the troll who keep posting the ex.

R216 they aren’t a troll, I asked them to.

r212 aahhh you motherfucker I thought it was going to be a real pic of them hahahaha

R214 At this rate, I say in 18 months if they stay this committed. Has Richard ever spoke about marriage or being a dad in the future?

R219 I just read something like a day or so ago about him saying he'd love to have a family someday but can't remember where I read it!

R217 and you did that because... (let me guess: to little attention in your life from family, friends and society in general.)

R219 Wow You are getting ahead of yourself, calm down. They are still in the honeymoon period and it's way too early to even think about getting married of having a family.

Oh GODNEY. NO straight-aping relationship pur-lease. Please be a couple that doesn't breed.

R221 I was the person who said I couldn’t find a lot of photos of them holding hands (Jenna and Richard), so they posted some for me. That’s it, that’s all.

R222 Yes, because you are them. Thank you for your wise input.

......

[quote]Trigger warning: Ex present

This is an entirely different situation.

In those pictures you see a heterosexual couple, completely normal to everyone else. Richard could afford to be seen holding hands with a woman and not worry about a negative impact to his career.

Richard is now dating a man which can clearly derail both of their careers in the film industry. There is a reason Richard is still in a glass closet. It may change in the future however.

I don't know how I feel about this girl waiting for hours outside the hotel and taking pap-like pictures of them entering and leaving. Don't get me wrong, I love knowing they're spending time with each other but we don't need to know what they're doing ALL THE TIME.

R227 Brandon is already out of the closet. Everyone who casts him is aware of this and he’s doing fine.

R228 she’s only there for Spider-Man cast and literally just said “FINALLY” after meeting zendaya. She’s still waiting for Tom Holland. She doesn’t even know really who Brandon is, according to her tweets. People just want selfies with celebs.

R225 Just being realistic. Marriage and kids soon after starting dating is not usually what a couple of young guys want. Maybe at some point but that line of thinking sounds very archaic and heteronormative.

R230 I understand that and I get the excitement of waiting to see celebs. But it's not necessary to take pictures of them without their permission if you don't get the chance to take a selfie. That's all I meant.

So it seems like the wedding planner for Sophie and Joe just confirmed that their wedding will indeed be at the end of this month.

R232 Yeah, unfortunately it’s always going to be apart of the fan-celeb relationship. I rather they take these photos as opposed to pictures of people out at private events and restaurants.

So they’re maybe hanging out with Brandon’s friends right now? Cute

[quote]Brandon is already out of the closet. Everyone who casts him is aware of this and he’s doing fine.

R229, B is not the one holding the hand of a lady, nor the star of bodyguard, or has a lead role in a Marvel film, or had a prominent role in GOT.

I hope Brandon achieves those landmarks in his career as an out gay man, but let's not pretend open gay/bi men are leading film roles left and right.

Likely a double date in happening. I bet Richard and Brandon are very affectionate. Brandon is just saw snuggleable

R236 HE IS! He’s so tactile with his friends and family, (and obviously partners from what the past shows) and it’s so adorable. I noticed that he usually greets alot of people with a cheek kiss, he’s just such a sweetheart.

R235 Oh, no I totally get that. I just didn’t agree with the “derail both of their careers” part, when Brandon is still pretty successful for just being two years out of college. It’s also funny because girls still find him extremely attractive/want to date him as this heartthrob despite his gay status. I think he will (hopefully) be fine by being able to just play straight/gay roles all terrifically - his chemistry with the females on 13RW is so believable.

If they do get engaged and/or married, we’ll never know it, lol.

R238 Brandon would never keep quiet about that LOL

Richard's the type who would show up wearing a wedding ring one day and tell you he won't talk about it when he's asked.

R240 LOL, most definitely. I admire his desire for privacy though. In their industry, it must be so difficult to have things just for yourself.

I think if they did get married he'd probably admit it but decline talking further details

Marriage is a matter of public record.

I wonder how B’s friends feel about Richard....it’s always interesting when a friend states their opinion on the new boyfriend/girlfriend.

Can we please shut up about marriage? lmao Richard is not Dustin Lance Black and Brandon ain’t Tom Daley. And thank God for that.

Interviewer: So how's married life going for you? Richard : *let's out deep breath* Good. Good. I've never discussed my personal life before. Interviewer:Ok. Let's move on... *starts talking about Richard's film*

R246 pretty accurate

R235 so if R comes out as bi/gay he will be discredited in the eyes of GoT/bodyguard/cinderella fans?

[quote]so if R comes out as bi/gay he will be discredited in the eyes of GoT/bodyguard/cinderella fans?

R248, I guess that's a question for you to answer. What an odd post.

Cinderella fans?

R249 well I say his coming out wouldn't take anything away from his past achievements

R251 Right. I’m assuming what the OP meant was that he’d played s lot of romantic leading man and/or leading man-macho roles in the past. Would those roles dry up if he officially came out? I would hope not, but we have no way of knowing for sure.

[quote]Right. I’m assuming what the OP meant was that he’d played s lot of romantic leading man and/or leading man-macho roles in the past. Would those roles dry up if he officially came out? I would hope not, but we have no way of knowing for sure.

Thank you. That is exactly what my post was highlighting. Being open in a heterosexual relationship was not a threat to Richard's career. He could afford to hold hands with his female ex. (obviously I was replying to the poster that was posting pictures of Richard holding hands with his ex).

Obviously, the situation is different with Brandon, otherwise we would have seen him holding hands with BFlynn.

R249 Any new graphically dirty predictions about these two yet, Oracle? The more cum-dumpster-y, the better.

Do we think RM bites and licks Brandon’s tattoos when they fuck?

R255 yeasss

Also does R really not have any of his own because that’s a tragedy. He really looks so hot in whatever this was.

R256 that was the pilot episode for an Amazon show called Oasis. Shame Amazon didn’t pick it up, the pilot was great and had promise.

R255 yesss ... that 'here now with you' tattoo inside his upper arm... that can only be seen properly when his arms are over his head ... Oh yes ...

R258 chills

Brandon is enthusiastic about variety.

r260 i Love when Brandon likes sex related things. The funniest one from November was “when your boyfriend has a big dick and knows how to use it” lmao xD

R261 That has to be about Richard, no other boyfriend in November lol

R261 it was “when he has a big dick and knows how to use it” but not related to Richard most likely as they just met a few days prior. Still hilarious nevertheless.

R255 I feel like they’re extremely raunchy during sex - when the mood calls for it. Brandon still gives me BDE freak vibes (especially after seeing the club video of him last year) and Richard is just.....well he’s richard madden LOL.

R263 I’m with you. Brandon is the wild one. Just the way he moves. Even in those IG stories where he’s doing silly dances and moves. He’s got rhythm AND spice. Or some poses he strikes in pics.

look at r's bulge beside that black guy...damn watched captain marvel last night. that guy at the fashion show.

There is a reason R is dickwhipped and can't stay away from B.

R265 Samuel L. Jackson? Lol

R263 They could have hooked up at the Halloween party they attended. So it could have been about Richard.

[quote] but not related to Richard most likely as they just met a few days prior.

R263, and... ???

They probably fucked at the first opportunity.

R263, which club video?

R268, R269, even if they fucked within two seconds from them meeting, it would still not make R into B's bf at that early stage of their relationship.

Please let’s not go into this debate again lmao

[quote] even if they fucked within two seconds from them meeting, it would still not make R into B's bf at that early stage of their relationship.

The post he liked didn't say anything about a boyfriend. It just said "when he has a big dick and knows how to use it"

Has this full variety interview been posted yet? Earlier it was only some quotes, Very interesting read

R271 YEP, I’m already over it and it hasn’t even began. I don’t think they fucked that early on, but tomatoe, tomato.

R266 Oh for sureeeeee. He’s probably missed being with men and now gets it on a regular basis.

R273 Yeah, was posted yesterday!

OH WAIT THAT IS A WHOLE INTERVIEW SORRY! It hasn’t been posted!!! R273

[quote] even if they fucked

Even??? Girl please.

It is very clear to everyone these two hit off right on the spot. They were not exchanging innocent looks only. C"mon

what hotel. someone fake gps on grindr and catfish them

What do we think about this new Brandon interview, has he ever talked about his sexuality like this before?

I think it's fascinating because Brandon apparently didn't choose to come out to the public and doesn't like how his narrative was forced on him. So how about we stop the concern trolling that he would disapprove of Richard not coming out to the public.

A trans person and a straight person? I think you mean cis, sis.

That question about press around his dating life and his answer are totally about Richard arent they?

Also him mentioning Rocketman russian censorship as if he just read about it in passing....lol

R282 BAHAHAHA I was just about to mention that. I’m sure he would be frustrated nonetheless but probably more so since his man is involved in the project.

His use of ally isn't correct, either. He's obviously well intentioned but if you're going to wade into advocacy, the terms used need to be accurate.

Was it Miles Heizer's team that put out that B and him were just friends? Or was it a joint statement?

does he mention bisexuality quite a few times or am I overthinking this

R285 Miles’ team did.

Wow. This is a really goid interview. He's only 25 but he sounds so mature and grounded. And frankly fascinating. I can totally hear him say so many of the things he says in to article to Richard if I'm perfectly honest.

And he also managed to make me feel ashamed of my fascination with the two of them. He's good.

good**

R286, he says "into men... into women" at one point. But later the interviewer states in a question "but you are gay".

This article is a bit of a mess. There should have been a publicist that specialises in coming out present when the interview took place

r284 What do you mean?

Uh, I disagree, Brandon. There are plenty of us that want to read an article that just says, “Brandon is with this person and we are so happy for him!”

Also, lol at him speaking of Richard in hypothetical terms.

i bet their pr teams are orchestrating a "coming out."

His comments about the coming out instagram post are so weird. He was speaking in first person and including himself in the community ("We've been scares shitless our whole lives thanks to all the stigma that surround Us" etc.) but he's mad that people took it as him coming out? I don't get it.

R290 it is sort of weirdly formatted and it could come across that Brandon doesn't use labels in his personal life and that the interviewer is trying to put him in a box

people assumed he was gay with the post and it went to press. he didn;t deny though.

R294 he might object specifically to the articles that claimed he came out as a gay man if he doesn't label himself that way but I think it's weird too

R286 No you're not the only one. He seemed to be rambling a lot. And at one point he seemed somewhat annoyed that the media labeled him as gay when he "came out". And at one point he said something like "just because I mostly date men" Honestly I really hoped he was stating unequivocally how he I.Ds since he's talking about his sexuality here but I was left kind of confused. Maybe he just doesn't wanna be labeled.

“Yeah, you know what? You actually don’t have to come out publicly because it’s actually not that much of a big deal.” It doesn’t change one thing. It doesn’t change what you can do, as far as talent. It doesn’t change what you can do, as far as your job."

so r is not coming out

This part seems to really apply to Richard

I don’t want to speak for anyone because I don’t know most of these people, and as grateful and as honored as I am to have them all in my corner and keeping an eye out for what I’m doing next, I don’t know them

that's his message to you

R294, wow. Is that the actual quote? Shit. That means he's playing into media spin. That's very disappponting.

r290 He wasn't coming out so why should he need a "coming out publicist"?

He was honest and sincere which is quite refreshing to hear and frankly it's a bloody good interview.

R295, he's not putting the interviewer right, though. The quote about still working it out himself seems the most accurate.

r302 What media spin? You people are reading some weird shit from this.

it shouldn't matter, but it does. if you want to be a star, you have to take all that comes with it.

it's not called the "public eye" for no reason.

R302 media spin on a ig post from 2017?

R303, he's speaking at length about his sexuality in this interview. You think this interview plays no part in his coming out story?

R305, look at the quote to which I responded. "We" and "us" etc. re membership of the LGBT community. And quit using "you people", it's passive agressive.

He's already out. Even if he talks about his sexuality he's not coming out because he already did inadvertently.

"We've been scared shitless our whole lives thanks to all the sigma that surrounds us."

There's no LGBT ally that's been scared shitless their whole lives in that context, even the most empathetic of PFLAG moms, not their whole lives.

To spin that as "I was just saying that I'm an ally." That is intellectually dishonest.

His concern seems to be the way his sexuality was framed by the media. He didn't get to label himself.

I interpreted what he’s trying to say is that he hates how his relationship with Richard is being viewed as a “scandal”. He feels like actors shouldn’t have to “come out” professionally - sounds like he hadn’t intended too but on the flip side he feels like he’s helping young gay people (which is why he got teary) see if he can do it so can they.

R312 he didn't say he was only being an ally, read the article again

You people are passive aggressive? It doesn't take much to ruffle your feathers.

And he didn't like how the media took to his post which was labelled "coming out post". I think that's already been established. He felt the focus on what should be a support for human rights was turned into a focus on him instead and the supposed coming out. As for his sexuality. He came out at 15 as liking both boys and girls and he says it himself it took him years to learn about himself so maybe when that post came out he still wasn't labelling himself. And maybe he still doesn't even though most look at him as gay.

R314, yes, and he's right, it has been treated as a scandal.

The main thing I took from the article is that he's still not really certain whether he's gay or bi, he's mostly dating men, but he's been with women before as well, so he's not sure how to define himself and when he isn't, to see the media defining him in very certain terms is upsetting.

He said he didn't come out with the Australia post. If he wasn't claiming ownership of his membership of the LGBT community, what did his words connote? Allyship? Something else?

R318 is right. Sounds to me as if Brandon is still figuring it out. Which is completely understandable. The people trying to force a label on him (or Richard) when neither one has claimed that label is not fair. Brandon should get to define himself, not fans or the media.

Leave this man alone please... He made good points and spoke both candidly and sincerely. I'm sure the last thing he would want is for all of you to overanalyze every single word and argue about his sexuality.

It's not fair to type

[Quote] We've been scared shitless our whole lives thanks to all the stigma that surrounds us.

and then turn around and say you didn't come out. His words were very specific, very emotive, very powerful. Those were not the words of an ally.

I've seen no one explain the quote away as something that someone who is not LGBT could type...

In the interview he thinks the media wants to see his relationship (with Richard ) to fail ..

R323 he could have been talking about Sam there because in the end isn't that what happened with them

IMO, he's saying he didn't come out in that post because he wasn't in the closet. That's why he points out he had already "done that" as a teen.

I wonder how Richard feel about this article? I bet Richard’s publicist will advice Richard that this Brandon guy talks a little too much and it wouldn’t do good for his career .

What a great interview. I’ve always found him to be articulate and intellectually sound. If you’ve watched his old interviews about sexuality, this is nothing new. He sounded annoyed on video when discussing the IG post a year ago during 13RW promo, simply because he didn’t expect nor want thwas media to make a big deal about it. If you’ve followed him for a while, he’s also liked IG comments in the past where his fans said “why are people talking about his sexuality? it’s not a big deal”. Basically, this is Brandon Flynn. He identifies with the LGBTQ community but hasn’t labeled himself yet, and is annoyed that the media has done it for him (saying whether they go with gay or bi, on whichever day). It seems to me that he wanted his lifestyle to be a l Cara Delevingne, Kristen Stewart, Ashley Benson, or Harry Styles where it’s clear they’re in th community, but never felt the need to verbally address it. I love that he is still getting work (from what he sees) despite his sexuality and he definitely seems proud that atleast the aftermath has been pretty much positive.

He is so self aware when addressing being in the industry and saying he doesn’t really feel like he’s fully in yet, because it’s TRUE. He’s accomplished so much being straight out of Rutgers, but after Netflix cancels 13RW, he still has to work out the longevity of being an actor in this industry, so ofcourse he’s still feeling everything out. When it comes to his relationships and Richard, I hope everyone who is calling R a coward for not coming out and saying that Brandon is probably pissed or embarrassed can realize that they were completely wrong. I mentioned this in a million threads ago, but Brandon had continuously said in past interviews that it’s annoying for people to feel the need to come out when straight people dont have to. I think one of the main reasons Richard was attracted to B is because it’s clear he doesn’t care WHAT richard’s sexuality is...hell Madden may still be figuring it out for himself. I think Brandon just goes off connection and forms a relationship from that. This has gotten impossibly long, but I’m happy for him and can’t wait to see where his career goes.

R326 why would his people care though? they aren’t even confirmed dating...Brandon will and can do whatever he wants.

"I do feel like there’s a weird expectation with being a handsome white guy that people are surprised when I tell them that I date men. I feel like there’s an odd expectation — like, 'Oh, you look like the leading man, so you should be straight.'"

lol

R325, that would only make sense if there were no distinction between "privately out" and "out in the media." And it sure as hell holds no water when linked to a post speaking out on gay marriage being voted on in a whole 'nother country.

R326 You think Richard didn’t know about this interview? This is obviously a big interview for Brandon, a big deal. It’s not every day he’s sitting down with Variety and talking so candidly about something so intensely personal to him. I’m sure Richard knew all about it before this.

R327 Great post. Couldn't agree more.

R325 That makes sense, but still, coming out to your friends and family and coming out to the public when you're a famous person aren't exactly the same thing. Like yes, he was out in his personal life, but as far as the public is concerned.. that post was his coming out. It's weird that he can't see this.

R318 That's spot on. And to think someone here blocked me because I said I didn't see the point in saying he was 100% gay when we didn't know for sure that he was lol

Identify with the LGBTQ community but hasn't labeled himself yet makes no sense. LGBTQ is a label.

R327 well said. R326 is suffering from the same affliction as other posters who somehow think that Richard and Brandon don't talk to each other.

Cara Delevigne just got an award from the Trevor project, did she not?

I think it bothered him very much that it wasn't his narrative or his move to come out publicly. It was forced upon him and of course since he was out he would never deny it but it wasn't his narrative and it took the focus of something he wanted to support. I don't think he's ever had the chance to go into this so which he obviously feels is important to him and why he talks a lot about it.

[Quote] We've been scared shitless our whole lives thanks to all the sigma that surrounds us."

These words were forced upon him?

None of you will engage with that original quote. That's very telling. Only what Brandon is trying to sell in the aftermath.

Idk, even when he hadn’t said anything about his sexuality before that post, it was pretty obvious he wasn’t straight based on stuff he would like and post. Now, whether people paid any attention to that is another story. The problem is that everyone assumes everyone is straight unless said otherwise, which is a big part of the problem. So he was never hiding or in the closet, which is why I think he was partly annoyed by that being taken as his “coming out”.

The article is really fascinating especially because he is dating a man who can’t seem to come out because of his career and the Hollywood double standards and in this interview it’s points to that....wow truly interesting read!

R337, ok let's just concede your point. What do you want? Ostracize Brandon from the LGBTQ community? Shame him for not being a perfect queer person? Point out he is stupid or lacks eloquence?

[Quote] that post was his coming out. It's weird that he can't see this.

I'm not convinced that he can't see it. I think things got too hot for him.

R337 Look, you’re speaking in a very logical way. And maybe you’re even right, in some ways. But it’s obvious that Brandon is coming from his own emotive place. Logic and feelings don't always go hand in hand. And he’s not trying to SELL anything. He didn’t say “I’m gay” and is now trying to walk it back and say “I’m straight” or something. He’s expressing his own feelings on what happened to him in his post being made about one thing when he himself wasn’t trying to make it about that. It also probably felt like a double whammy as I’m guessing it was probably his first MAJOR brush with media focus on him- not on his show, not on him as part of the show, not on his character, just him, and in a very personal way.

R337 He is apart of the community, by the media started labeling him as “gay actor” and he never even said “hi my name is Brandon Flynn and I like men exclusively”. Obviously he would’ve “come out” via his relationship with Sam Smith as being into men, but then if he were to date a woman the next damn day, the media would be calling that person a beard or him a fraud since they put him in the “gay” box. He’s just annoyed that he never got to say the words himself, especially as he doesn’t even know what he falls under (whether gay, Pan, bisexual, demisexual etc).

R340, it's pretty telling that you're throwing those options out there, hoping I'll "bite." I'm not a villain. You might like me to be, but I'm not.

Will Brandon link to this interview on ig or does he not normally do that?

R339 That’s definitely something I gave thought to as I read it. It’s such a personal interview, but also it feels like he wanted to address things on the behalf of his boyfriend who technically can’t/won’t since he’s never been that open.

R345 He normally does - atleast for magazine shoots. I think he will, especially being that it’s PRIDE month. Variety is hugeeeeeee, and I honestly think he went on their IG page the other day to see if the interview was already posted (then he saw Richard’s actors on actors posts and probably was like “fuck he’s hot” and liked it in the meantime lol).

I feel a bit sad for Brandon reading that interview. Anybody else feel the same way?

R347 since he didn't do a photoshoot it likely won't be posted on the variety ig account though

R348 Yeah but I can't put my finger on exactly why. the part where he says he feels like he hasn't broke through in the industry yet makes me really want him to succeed

R349 They sometimes just post the picture they use in the article as a cover photo of the person did an interview without new photos. I could see them just throwing up his Emmys red carpet picture and calling it a day.

R348 My heart goes out for him, but it’s good knowing that he has a beautiful support system and that the show runner for 13RW didn’t completely freak out cause he’s into men. He mentioned last year that therapy is included in his regular routine which made me think that he definitely has his own personal demons. I’m rooting for him though, especially as he’s the clear stand out in his show.

I will say that him mentioning that the “lead character is the most boring part” was word vomit and maybe something he shouldn’t have said.....he indirectly called Clay on 13RW to be boring LOL. And plus if casting agents are reading this (and oh they will), he may automatically be relegated to the side character role every time.

r337 No one is making you out to be a villain but you're not making any sense with your persistance on this quote.

R348 He seems like a type that could easily get depressed. Idk I remember someone here said there's a photo of him crying on the street after his breakup and his dad embracing him.

I love this interview. It really gave him the opportunity to fully communicate. It’s awesome for him! Also, Richard couldn’t have asked for a better partner!

R353 he was on vacation when that rumor was going around but he was with his family, dad included so I don’t know. I’m the one who mentioned a few days ago that I’m happy Richard is with him now because he did post questionable things at points last summer which made fandom go hmmmmmmm. He seems to be in a much better space now, but I’m sure he still goes to therapy.

Does anyone wonder what he means by that "lean into" comment?

r351 Or the point he's making is that leading men/women are put in a much stricter box, much stricter roles while side kicks often have more meatier and not as conventional roles. It's like an ecco of what Richard said about romantic male leads and how playing the villain is more fun.

R351, he also should not have said "the druggy". Oy.

r355 He and his boyfriend broke up. Of course he was sad. It's normal and doesn't have to mean depression.

R356 I think he meant that he didn’t want to lean into the whole “hehehehe my sexuality is a secret and I want to use it to my advantage in this industry” type thing and was okay with people knowing that he’s queer.

R359 I didn’t say depression. I agree that it’s a normal part of life and he addressed feeling lonely around that time.

R357 Yeah, I think Richard worded it better. I understood what Brandon meant, but I think he could’ve explained it better just to cover his ass for future castings/not offend Dylan (Clay on 13RW, who I’m sure won’t GAF).

r361 Oh sorry. It was another poster who mentioned depression.

I'm sure once Brandon gives more interviews they'll be phrased better. It is nice to read a raw interview, since Richard is very streamlined and reserved in what he says.

R362 Dylan is one of his closer friends on 13RW, I really doubt he’s going to care one bit. Also,what he said probably almost doesn’t even really apply to Clay the character because god, that character is on the verge of breaking apart most of the time, and has some pretty epic meltdowns/mood swings etc- plenty for an actor to play with. But yeah, I get where you're coming from. It was a bit clumsy in the wording alright.

I just DMed the fan account Brandon follows and sent them the link so maybe they’ll post it (and he’ll actually see it)

R364 I love that he’s rambly. Him and timothee chalamet are so refreshing in interviews, because you can tell they’re still wide eyed and not jaded by the industry yet. The media coaching isn’t there and they don’t sound like boring robots.

I have just reread and those last three answers he give are for sure about his relationship with Richard and I think he is also hinting throughout that he isn't just attracted to men especially with that last comment.

I am trying to collect my thoughts about this interview, [bold]because as a gay man[/bold], there is one particular part of this interviewed that enraged me, but I'll marinate my thoughts first before posting because I want to give Brandon the benefit of the doubt.

I do have to remind some of you, [bold]I am talking to the straight women here[/bold], while it is great that you girls can join us in this very humble interactive space, you cannot possibly understand the depth of emotions that come with coming out. It is unique to gay/bi men and women and coming to term with who you are can bring excruciating pain. This type of interview is bound to bring passionate discussion and gay men would be justify in doing so...period!

He have all heard Brandon state publicly that he was a gay man, not bi, gay, so a part of this interview comes like a cold bucket of water.

Oddly enough, I had picked up something when I was reading R/B the other day.

R352, are you LGBT? (You won't answer, I know.) Because if you were you would understand that the Australia quote said to any LGBT person reading it: "I am one of you. I know your fear. I know your hardships. I know what you've had to overcome. I know what you still have to fight."

[Quote] We've been scared shitless our whole lives thanks to all the stigma surrounds Us.

I'm not making any sense? You just to don't want to see. That's ok. Privilege blinds.

R368 Well, he did say himself he came out as bisexual in that interview.

r365 Yes I really love the honesty and sincerity in this interview. You see him as he is. It's not that common now to see that in an up and coming actor. I can kind of feel his charming personality through the paper.

That was an interesting read. I scrolled past it in my Twitter feed because I thought it was the same article posted yesterday.

The main thing I took away from it is that B, like a lot of people I know his age or younger (I’m in my 30s) are starting to use the terms ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ to really mean they aren’t 100% straight. I think that’s cool. I also think it’s cool when people totally identify with one group or another. It’s about being open and comfortable with whatever you want to be and whomever you want to be with and it’s also about not letting your sexuality define everything about you if you don’t want it to.

R360, but wouldn't Richard fall under that umbrella, pre Brandon?

R369 I respect your insight, and would love to hear your enraged thoughts, ofcourse only if you ever feel comfortable stating them. I’ve only ever heard him say he came out as bisexual as a teen, and then refer to himself as gay all throughout an interview last May, but that’s it. I think he is just honestly figuring it out and maybe that’s apart of his struggles in therapy.

I think after the initial honeymoon phase is over i think this might be one of the issues that Richard and Brandon will struggle with together as brandon pointed out numerous times that the door can still be open with career oppurtunities even when ur out but Richard who 7 years apart and his old school doesn’t feel like that as you can see by actions of being super private and him being catered as the next big thing...

R374 He said he personally doesn’t want to lean into that, but he can’t control what Richard or the other queer actors do with their careers.

R376 He literally says in the interview that he wants his personal life and professional life to be separate and never felt like the two needed to meet in the middle, so I’m sure he’s okay with whatever Richard has decided to do with his own career.

R369, thank you for being here. I never thought I'd ever feel the need to type that on DL. There's so much blithe dismissal on this thread.

R374 We don’t know that. We have no idea what the truth of that situation is. People have different guesses, and that’s fine. I’m sure someone among them is right. Maybe he had 50 different secret boyfriends. But it’s also possible B is his first time falling for a guy too. And whatever the truth is, I honestly don’t think Brandon would judge him for it anyway. Reading that interview it didn’t seem like he was talking about anything but his own experiences, and what he wanted for himself- he seemed fine with whatever other people felt was their path too.

I will repeat: this was a lovely interview. He was thoughtful and realistically represented the issues he personally grapples with. This interview is more impactful for a young queer actor to read than if he gave canned answers. Not sure why anyone is getting a negative vibe. It’s just honest and the right way to address real issues especially during pride month. It is also likely that his world view is more similar to Richard than I had assumed before.

R369 What did your reads say the other day?

He wasn't just speaking of his own experience. He said "what a lot of gay men in the industry lean into, is that no one knows, some people get a kick out of that." It's an odd comment. Is he talking about gay actors laughing about clueless fangirls or something?

R381, are you a young queer actor?

As bisexual who's lived through people fleeing the country in order to be able to live, work, not be attacked for their sexuality I've known a lot of prejudice. From all sides of the queer community. Despite having boyfriends and therefore having my bisexuality erased or maybe especially because of it. And after decades I'm still defending it.

Having own narrative is important and that is what I feel Brandon feels he missed. For me it feels very simple to understand and not in any way like he's backtracking on anything. That is what I don't get and why I don't get the anger.

But do bring on the bloody bisexuals rant. It won't be the first time.

Why end your post with that last line? It hardly invites a measured response.

r386 I'm obviously being passive aggressive. And maybe also because it won't be the first time my words are disregarded on account of my secuality.

R383 Hmmm interesting POV. That could be true, and it happens a lot I’m sure.

Can I just say that I’m so glad he didn’t bring up any examples of current lgbtq artists or actors who are in a similar position as him? He made the interview extremely personal and 100% about him, which I respect.

Why are people saying he’s bi based on his interview? He didn’t say at all. It’s still not clear if he’s bi or gay. I actually think he seems to relate to himself as gay.

R369 A LOT of bisexual people use gay as an umbrella term. Kristen Stewart for example said she was "so gay" on SNL and then later clarified that she still likes men. Kehlani did something similar. This is why nowadays I'm wary of assuming that those who call themselves gay are, well, homosexual. Not that I agree with bis coopting the word, but it is what it is.

As for the cold bucket of water... this is why I said some people were setting themselves up for disappointment by believing he couldn't be anything other than gay. Sorry you feel that way though, I know it sucks, been there lol

R385, Brandon's words were very much his own narrative in that SM post, though. There's a disconnect between his raw words and how he's speaking of the post in the aftermath.

He seems put out that he was assumed to be gay. That's fine. He could have put that right with this interview. He didn't, really. "I haven't found a label that fits" would have sufficed.

I absolutely reject that he was victimised in how that SM post was reported. If his narrative was takem from him, he could have taken it right back with another SM post. He didn't. Only he (and perhaps his intimates) knows why.

R391 He didn’t feel like the post was a coming out in the first place so why would he have to redirect the media to the correct sexuality with another post?

R390 which article are you all reading? Where did he say he was bi?

R389 I get the vibe that he currently refers to being gay in his private life and noticed that he kept calling himself gay in an interview last year. He said he came out as bisexual, but as we all know things change over time as we get older and he may not identify with that anymore. We will never know unless he tells us, but atleast to me it’s clear that he’s more into men at the moment publicly - and he probably would agree with that notion.

R393 Here, scroll down to where he talks about Spring Awakening

R392, because it pissed him off to be referred to as a "gay Australian actor" as he said in that radio interview. A clarification wouldn't have even needed to specify his sexuality (if he genunely thought that he didn't come out with that post), just that the previous post offered support, and anything else assumed by it was someone else's interpretation.

R396 He said he’s never used his platform for that so it doesn’t surprise me that he just kept living his life and was spotted making out with Sam in the NYC streets two weeks later. He is an ally and apart of the community, but I think even doing this interview where he had to clarify what happened, was probably a lot for him.

I’m with you, Oracle. Everything you said is right on. Can’t say exactly why but this interview soured me on him slightly. I didn’t find the rambling refreshing, just a bit tedious and aloof.

Guess he and Richard have more in common than we previously thought, though.

He’s not Australian so not sure where that part came from?

His platform for what? Advocacy? That's what the Australia post was - advocacy. A follow up could have similarly focused on advocacy.

He’s always said this stuff though. This interview is nothing new if you watch what he’s said before. I don’t think Richard would’ve dated someone who was all about pressuring people to come out despite their career. It’s clear that they spoke about this early on.

R399 there were headlines at the time who called him an Australian actor. I don’t think they knew exactly where he was from and just went with that lol

He is not an ally. He dates men and has dated women. He's directly affected by the gay rights movement. Allies are not.

R400 If he said something about people’s interpretations in a followup post, he would’ve gotten the “no homo” label throw continuously at him. He couldn’t win either way.

R403 He calls himself an ally, but I get what you mean (and I agree).

R399, he said in the radio interview that he was reported to be a gay Australian actor. Reported to be, not that he is...

R399 his not-“coming out” post was in support of marriage equality in Australia. Funnily I admit I too assumed he was Australian based on that because I didn’t know much about him at the time.

He said he came out as bi when he was 15. I don't think he's ever specified one way or the other after that, has he? But because of he's dating history he's been looked upon as gay. It's his right though to specify his sexuality any way he wants.

So anymore word from that Italian girl?

R407 Yeah, other than referring to himself as gay last year and saying “never” in response to a friend saying that he was becoming heterosexual on them (underneath his 13RW workout IG post), he hadn’t directly said it and he shouldn’t have to as he’s figuring it out. He obviously leans towards men more.

He has publicly referred to himself as gay. But as others have said, his contemporaries love to use “gay” as an umbrella term now.

R404, he would have got the "No Homo" label thrown at him? No chance. And tonguing down Sam Smith on the street would have put paid to any "gay baiting" charges if they had occured.

R410 Yeah, a lot of us millennials do use that now. I had a friend come out publicly and recently as bi and they specifically only refer to themselves as gay and they use grindr exclusively. It really just depends on the person.

Why does it matter if he’s gay or bi? I thought we were here because him and Richard were pounding the hell out of each other. Does him being bi or gay change anything?

Poor Brandon. No offence to anyone here, everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and views, but it feels a bit like people are putting too much on him. He’s still young, folks. He’s not a child or anything, but he’s still only 25 and was what, 23 or something, when he made that post? He’s obviously not that experienced with putting his thoughts and feelings into words in a situation like this interview. He just seems to me like someone who hasn’t quite got it all figured out yet, but then, I don’t think HE'D say himself he’s got all the answers either. Seems to me like he’s just living his life, trying his best, and he’s trying to use the platform he’s got with the show to do some good.

R413 it seems to disappoint some that Brandon isn't only into men.

R411 I truly believe that if he came back on IG the next day or so after the media coverage to clarify/say he didn’t mean what people assumed he meant, people would’ve been like “US actor retracts statement about being LGBTQ” and people definitely would’ve said he was pulling a “no homo”. In hindsight, it’s best he didn’t say anything. Actions speak louder than words.

R408 nothing more no

R414 I still don’t get what the issue is with this interview. He spoke about his own personal experience. It’s his truth and it was honest.

R413 R415 Agreed. He didn’t even say he’s into women currently either...just that he’s been all over the place and with them in the past. Maybe after Richard, he’ll know what he is. It’s clear he’s more men friendly at the moment.

If he didn't take the opportunity then, he probably should have kept his counsel.

R414 I respect his transparency. All of this are my thoughts. He’s been consistent since I’ve been following his content and I respect that the media hasn’t had influence on him to change it up.

[quote]That is what I don't get and why I don't get the anger.

Do not confuse the issue. The label "gay" came out of his own mouth, no one put those word in his mouth. They came out willingly.

[quote]What did your reads say the other day?

I saw him trying to detach himself himself from what I understood, being gay, then I immediately have issues with the recognition that he had box himself into the closet once again.

R422 Hmmmmm that’s interesting. Thanks for sharing! Did the reads imply that his current relationship had influence on that?

let me right this again, sorry I was typing too fast:

"I saw him trying to detach himself, from what I understood, being called gay. Then, I immediately saw him have issues as he immediately recognized he had boxed himself into the closet once again. "

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r422 It really takes tremendous effort to read his interview as him boxing himself into the closet.

Lucas Hedges came out by saying he’s queer and somewhere on the spectrum...not totally straight, but not gay. Currently had a girlfriend. Timothee Chalamet has said he doesn’t like categories and doesn’t believe in sexuality. Harry Styles denied being bisexual in the past and hasn’t confirmed a sexuality, but says he messes around with men. I agree with Brandon in the fact that this new generation of stars atleast feel better comfortable to speak their truth, compared to (and sadly) the previous one where even slightly being into the same sex would kill your career.

How is it transparency when the interviewer keeps referring to him as gay in the questions, Brandon doesn't challenge that label but then talks and talks and talks in a much less clear way. Transparent as mud.

He needn't have done the interview. But he did do it...

It is currently en vogue to use gay in a blanket way. We may not like it but the millenials and younger use it that way.

Interesting, Oracle. I don’t quite see this as him closeting himself, since I expect he’ll probably only date men in the future. Plus those Sam Smith pics cannot be unseen. I kind of do wonder how this interview would have gone if he were dating another out bi/gay man.

R422 It’s been pointed out multiple times on this thread that people do not exclusively use “gay” to describe themselves if they are gay. I’m sure you’ve read the posts so I won’t bother reiterating what others have said, but honestly, if you are angry with Brandon over saying “gay” rather than “not straight” and then not saying he’s solely into men in this interview, then no offence, but that seems more like your issue rather than anything he has done wrong.

R418 R421 Agreed.

R428 He doesn't owe anyone an exact label. ESPECIALLY if he doesn't even have one for himself, which is what it sounds like to me.

R428 Maybe he didn’t feel comfortable correcting the interviewer. He already seemed overwhelmed as is. And as others have said, maybe he interprets the term gay as being an umbrella one. He SHOULD have done the interview and I’m glad he did - he really is a good role model for a lot of people, especially those who don’t want to sacrifice their identity for the benefits of their career.

R427 most humans if they were truly honest, would admit that they have same and opposite sex attractions. I believe this is human nature. Society plays a large part in forcing people to choose a strict option. For sure some are strictly one thing but most are not that 100% strictly defined.

[quote]It really takes tremendous effort to read his interview as him boxing himself into the closet.

R426, lol I was answering a question from another poster that asked me about a prior reading I had done on R/B. Reading as in a "psychic reading."

The fact that the showrunner was shocked that he was queer speaks volumes. Brandon is so so so believable with Alisha Boe on the show, and he sucks dick in his personal time. Hopefully other casting directors take note and realize that the only thing that matters is talent.

R422, it sort of reads like he wants to have his cake and eat it. "Yay PRIDE!" On the one hand, but then "let's not get too specific" on the other.

Nico Tortorella was similar in regards to tbe label "bisexual". Nico may not be popular here but I have a lot of respect that he acknowledged that people have died for those terms ("gay", "bi", "trans") and that he was running from the term when he needn't really.

It perfectly alright for people to figure things out, but it might be an idea to leave off doing interviews about what you're still in flux over.

Brandon has used bi, gay, and now apparently uncomfortable with labels to describe his sexuality. He is also proud that gay kids can see him as a role model. There is no interpretation of this interview that means he is going back into the closet.

R437 Fully agree.

People in the 13RW fandom knew he was apart of the community way before he posted that IG post.....he really was obvious if you followed him on social media as someone said earlier. His friends didn’t hide it either.

R436 it is extraordinary that a man who has publicly dated a man and stated unequivocally that he is attracted to men is being accused of trying to keep it nonspecific.

"It perfectly alright for people to figure things out, but it might be an idea to leave off doing interviews about what you're still in flux over."

And maybe that is exactly what young people and teenagers need to hear when they experience that what they are feeling can't be put in a box and that is okay and they're not the only one figuring things out.

R431, why are you refuting a point I didn't make? I took issue with the "transparency" description. I don't care if he's gay, bi or none of the above.

Also R436, can't you see value in young people seeing someone who also is still unsure about what label to use and that doesn't invalidate their experience?

As an aside, I guess now it's Brandon's turn in the barrel. Can't wait for the Richard is a coward anon to return

In the past year, he’s mainly only hung out exclusively with gay men (+ Alisha) and ventured to gay bars (literally during thanksgiving weekend last year). I think actions speak louder than words here but that’s my opinion because he said he is still figuring it out which is OKAY.

hmm maybe no the best pull quote, wonder if there will be any reaction from Twitter gays who aren't in this forum

I think he's gay but he doesn't want to be labelled as the gay actor, but the media labelled him with that post that he did but it wasn't his intention, he wants to be treated as a straight actor, he doesn't want people to make a big deal about the fact that he likes and dates men, he just wants to act and play whatever he wants.

R445 I hope people are willing to click the article and give it a read.

(Also he def reads comments LOL)

R427 Timothee never said anything about his sexuality...

[quote]Why does it matter if he’s gay or bi?

Why would it matter if I start calling you Russian if you are not? Or if I start saying you are into fisting even though you are not?

I know some here are not gay men and may not understand the implications of making others think you are gay when you are not, but some answers here are bordering in homophobia.

R448 he said this at a press conference last January in Europe. It wasn’t a major deal but fandom caught on to it. He also says constantly that he hates the “stringent” categorization that Western world’s place on sexuality. Timothee is just another young actor who doesn’t want to confirm anything explicitly, but it’s onvious they’re in the community.

R450 It's not obvious and this is not the place to argue about this but timothee is not queer and hasn't implied he is. If you ship him with his married co-star you're a lost cause...

R440, did you read the interview? He's all over the place. Even in this thread posters aren't sure if he' saying he's bi or gay. He doesn't have to say. But he IS speaking on gis sexuality in the inteview so of course people are going to comment.

The poor guy is so scattered that he gives "trans person and straight person" as an example of a relationship.

R449 He has always said that he initially came out as bisexual though? He didn’t use present tense in talking about his experiences with women. He said he’s messed around with everyone (probably trans included). I totally understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t think he intentionally lead anyone on. He calls himself gay/figuring it out, which i feel is sincere.

R441, are you a young person/teenager?

He could have a preference for men but have had previously dated and had sex with women and enjoyed it.

A lot of gay men have been in relationships with women and felt they were real relationships and have enjoyed sex with women but Identify as gay. Brandon is 25. Maybe he's still figuring out what exactly his sexuality is. Not everything is black and white.

I don't understand why some here are so fixated with labeling him and Richard. Just because they present themselves publicly in one way doesn't mean you know shit about how they feel and view themselves. Because B has mostly openly dated men he's "gay" and Richard "bi" because his relationship has been mostly women. You don't know that.

R451 I don’t even know what you’re talking about. He isn’t dating a married man. I was just going off what was said by him in the past, that’s it. But yes I agree to just leave it since this isn’t his space.

R452 I did and I think we're having a communication issue. To me nonspecific would be refusing to identify your sexuality at all. Brandon isn't saying he's not queer, he just didn't land on a label.

R456 he's straight and boring let's leave him out of this thread.

R455 standing ovaaaaaation

R443, are you one such young person or are speaking for someone else? Have they asked you to speak for them?

And it's cute that you lumped me in with someone who says "Richard is a coward", though I've said no such thing. Putting words in my mouth makes it much easier to disregard the substance of my comments. Oh... but you said it was an aside... that's like a "get out of jail free card" isn't it?

Ummm...most gay men say they are bi at first...fraustans

R446 I agree with this. I think he just wants to have his job be separate from his personal life, but he ISNT hiding it. He can be spotted kissing a male superstar one day and into auditions the next for another straight role. I think he just wants to act, but he loves dick and is okay with people knowing that.

[quote] Did the reads imply that his current relationship had influence on that?

R423, I am not sure if you remember that reading I posted on them sometimes ago, but I said Brandon would have issues with the closet. What I meant is that he was also included in the closet. This is a closeted relationship in nature, but I remember picking up some vibes of him getting himself into the closet and I remember being confused because he kept stating he was openly gay. At that time I was questioning if we were going to see him beard or something lol...now I am starting to understand some of what I was picking up.

It's very strange because, I did pick up that he was gay and despite this interview I don't feel different about him. Who knows.

R461 speculation also comes from what he ends the interview with

I suspect young people will relate to this interview and older people won’t. Older generations thrived on labels. Young people seem to celebrate not having labels more. Young people also are still discovering themselves so Brandon’s POV is validating. He’s really a cool dude.

R446, and yet he acknowledges those that came before, who followed or inspired the words of Harvey Milk. He acknowledges what his visibility means to some young gay boys. It's like the old Paul Mooney quote ("Everybody wanna be black but nobody wanna be black").

He liked the allure of Dean and clift being closeted. Obviously referring to r.

Labels should not matter but you are getting paid big bucks for the limelight. Is that all he cares about? A big payday?

The veiled insults about people being young are so ironic considering Brandon is young himself. Like why are you even here talking about him if you think so little of young people and their opinions? I say this as a 30 year old.

R463 I do remember that read, and at that time I was afraid that he would feel pressured in closeting himself indirectly as a result of dating Richard (I don’t think in any way shape or form, Madden would pressure him into this). I agree with you that I still believe he’s gay (and truthfully think his closest friends and family know he is), but he just seems overall overwhelmed when discussing anything making it sometimes hard to completely follow. He sounds like a really amazing person though.

R467 Wtf article are you reading?

R468 thank you for saying this...I’m a couple of years younger than Brandon and found his words truly inspiring. It gets annoying seeing people dismiss what he said so easily.

R449, I keep having to remind myself that this is a stan thread, that lots of the worker bees act only to "protect the queen". It's the fantasy that's important. They couldn't give a fuck about the surrounding issues.

R467 If he cares about a big payday, he would go for leading roles and not call them boring. He would have never openly dated men. It’s clear as day that he could care less about the payday.

R467, yes, when he mentioned his heros are James dean and Montgomery clift who has been speculated because of their sexuality and were not able to do anything about It, I also thought about Richard as well .

R473 that poster R467 didn’t read the article at all. Just grabbed a few bits and ran with it.

R455 I’m reminded of Antoni Porowski’s situation where he dated men and women in his youth, recently he’s exclusively dated men, once said he was “living as a gay man now”, but most recently walked it back to say he’s sexually fluid because he’s not comfortable with the gay label as he doesn’t want to diminish his previous m/f relationships. Of course, plenty of gay men identify as gay even though they’ve had past m/f relationships, that doesn’t erase gayness. But I do concede sexuality and coming to terms with it is a complex thing and r414 is right in that Brandon is young and figuring himself out, both in his personal life and in the industry. In 10 or 20 years he may openly embrace a label, who knows,

And having said all that I realize speculating on a stranger’s sexuality when he wants to keep it deliberately undefined is futile. He’s getting hot Scottish cock on the regular, which is the entire reason I even wandered into these threads in the first place. Let’s not lose sight of that.

Can we just get back to the fact that he’s clearly fucking Richard Madden ... and loving every second of it?

R476 LOOOOOOL, this “He’s getting hot Scottish cock on the regular” needs to be the title of the next thread.

R477 YES. I got clear vibes that he’s currently taken from the ending of the interview.

R457, so are we at a stage where queer isn't even good enough to use?

The only time where no label will ever be fine is when straight isn't the default.

Brandon can take as long as he wants. He need never arrive at a label. But if he never does, should he benefit from the association?

With all due respect to everyones opinion, how does this interview put him back in the closet or anywhere near it? He just simply stated that he doesnt like labels and that sexuality shouldn be a big deal. And despite what he says some of you still wanna say you "believe" he is gay? When HE himself just now said he doesnt like labels? Despite what he has said in the past we should respect what he said. Why do some people still want big coming outs and if you dont state your sexuality clearly you are still in the closet? Thats not how I see it at all. Not making a big deal out of it and living your life the way both B and R are doing is just as valid. They are honest with the people who matter to them and to themselves so who gives a shit abt telling strangers who they fuck??

Is that why they are keeping it private because he believes the tabloids and gossip are rooting them to fail or is that what he thinks will happen? I can’t believe that is already in the back of his mind..

R462, so sarcastic.

R478 I need an article to come out that is titled “oh! Brandon is dating Richard and we are so happy for them”. Basically, that’s what Brandon want to see as well.

R455 Agree. I’m stunned at how much this interview is being dissected.

R481 he knows that tabloids love scandal and when they report on them it’s not in a positive way but more sinister. Why would they want that type of attention?

Yes another cab 10 minutes behind to the hotel certainly is out...

They are both worried about earnings

r486 They don't want to be tabloid sensations.

They didn't become actors to hope to be poor

R465, I'm young. Please don't speak for me.

I don't care if someone rejects labels. I like them to be clear about the rejection, though.

There is power in Identity. You can't "sort of" stand for something.

And I hope Brandon is reading this particular thread (and no others...)

R481 The US media has been very positive and enthusiastic about it (Vulture and Just Jared atleast). But I think he would feel this way with any relationships. Maybe he was thinking about what just happened with Bradley Cooper and Irina - people were wanting them to breakup so he could be with Gaga. The media actively participated in trying to stir up the pot between Bradley and Irinia (who split obviously due for other reasons), and he probably is wary that people want that for him and Richard. I mean fuck he was attacked by fans in JANUARY for just hanging out with Richard (before we knew they were dating or living together), so I can’t fault him for being pretty paranoid about the media if they start running with this story.

R471, what do his words inspire you towards?

R486 There are pictures of Brandon with his tongue down Sam Smith’s mouth. These will exist forever. It’s clear that he isn’t trying to hide who he is.

R491 Inspires me to achieve excellence and other goals without feeling like I need or have to rely on aspects of my personal life/race/sexuality.

Is this his own opinions from his previous interviews are was he influence by a certain someone? I am aware that Brandon is his own man but he can be a bit passive and easily influence/led especially in his relationships... if he was still dating Sam do you think he would answer the same way?

R494 I’ve followed his content and this is consistent with what he’s said the past two years.

R494 this is him.

^^^ and also Sam has not defined himself and is gender fluid, so I doubt brandon’s opinions would change at all

R476, we don't actually know that. B may be Trade Only

R484 And to think, earlier on we were just divided on judging or cheering on Italian Spifer-Man fangirl in her attempts to forensically document Richard and Brandon’s day (and freaking FINALLY give us photos of B in London) while she waited for the Marvel gang... simpler times!

I truly hope he posts this interview on his Instagram. Would be interesting to read the comments (which I’m sure will be mostly positive as 13RW fandom has been known his thoughts on this).

This thread was started 7 hours and will be done soon. Amazing haha

R488, eh... that's what every actor expects (poverty).

R493, Yea, that’s more of Sam’s idea , he mentioned in an interview that it is rare too see a famous gay couple being pap/seen in public in a loving relationship he wanted to show to young generations and the public that there are people like them that do exist.

It’s hilarious reading this interview against one of Richard’s....they seem like complete opposites in terms of expression LOL, but I have a feeling they’re very similar behind the scenes

R499 most are united in supporting his position in this interview. I think a few overreacted on initial reading and now seem to have calmed down. My highlights of this thread are pics of Brandon bringing his friends to meet Richard and the post about the best sex position that allows Richard to lick Brandon’s inner arm tattoo.

R493, for real? A young white man inspires you in terms of race?

R505 a-fuckin-men!

R504 this interview showed me how similar they likely are in there views. But yeah, Brandon is super chatty.

The people here who constantly think they’ve broken up based on the stupidest reasons should take note of him saying it seems like people are waiting for his relationships to fail, tbh

R494, he made the same... point (let's call it a point) in a radio interview where he confirmed that he and Sam were dating. Sam's... no dab hand at expressing himself well in interviews.

“ There’s always something behind it and there’s always some sort of scandal that wants to be revealed, and that’s frustrating.”

He’s def been reading the speculative articles - I’m talking not just NYT, but every interview Richard has done where they mention the rumors around Bflynn and saying “it comes as a shock as Madden has only been linked to female exes - Jenna Coleman, Suki Waterhouse, and Ellie Bamber in the past”. I could see him reading this and sensing the foreboding nature...like it makes sense that the editor would bring his past dating experiences up, but if I’m Brandon, I would lowkey think “hmmmm are they trying to insinuate that he’s going through a phase or that our relationship isn’t legit?”. And I’m sure Richard provides him with reassurance that he’s truly into him, but some of these articles just give off a weird vibe whenever they mention Brandon.

“But no one wants to write that article or read that article that would be like, “Oh! Brandon is with this person and we are so happy for them!”

Vulture lead with this excitement when they talked about Richard’s statement to NYT, but again I can see why Brandon is wary. I hope they’re able to protect their relationship.

R504,I agree they do seem like complete opposites in interviews, Brandon is still young, still very bright eyed about the future, very much an open book and and by judging by his rambelings is still unsure about himself while Richard is very ambitious and career driven and so far more gaurded and reserve....

R504, Richard wouldn't even be drawn on the issue of Scottish Independence. He's the definition of "don't rock the boat", which is why the Brandon thing suprises.

I wonder what Richard thinks of Brandon tearing up at having inspired young gay boys? Not a position he ever wants to share?

Dear God I don’t think Brandon himself is thinking about and wringing his hands over this interview as much as some people on here ... why? Because he’s currently too busy riding Richard’s cock. Let’s focus here people.

[quote] and yet he acknowledges those that came before, who followed or inspired the words of Harvey Milk. He acknowledges what his visibility means to some young gay boys. It's like the old Paul Mooney quote ("Everybody wanna be black but nobody wanna be black").

Exactly. He is able to enjoyed the fruits of the blood and tears of those that stood up and defined who they were, gay rights are not a product of people who were undecided or undefined. Gay people are responsible for gay rights. If he were Bisexual, he should take pride on being Bisexual and not erroneously mislead others by saying he is gay. If he is not gay, as at times it comes across in that interview, he should come out and say it.

R513 Richard was probably like “babe, I would’ve answered these questions with two sentences max”.

R514 Richard doesn’t want to say anything about his personal life at all besides that he was chubby when younger and that he’s from Scotland. I don’t think Brandon cares if he’s an activist or not (atleast not now, could change later on). He just needs good company, sex, and communication from Richard and that’s it.

R516 But that’s missing the entire point of the interview...why should he come out and say it? This interview alone was enough. He’s saying more than others (and for those who aren’t, that’s fine too) and it’s his truth. He doesn’t refer to himself as being bisexual in the present tense which I think a lot of people are missing. He agrees to being gay (whether it’s an umbrella term or not) and that he’s also figuring it out, that’s it.

Can everyone just shut the hell up

r516 Lots of younger people use gay as an umbrella term. I don't think he's trying to seem gay on purpose if he's not. Frankly, we just don't know.

Didn't Richard share that he lost his virginity at 18? Yeah, he's super private.

R515 I mean.....accurate.

R519 hey, I rather this than the dumbass trolls from the past few days who spam the threads with nonsensical language.

R514, Richard will probably think that he over shared too much and he still has very much to learn about the politics of showbiz.

R521 Compared to his boyfriend? Yes, he is.

I think the true test will be whether he gets good gigs life after 13RW: he’s smart for name dropping Ryan Murphy.....if he gets into that family, he’s GOLD. Most of Murphy’s actors go on to sweep Emmys and The Globes lol

R521,umm everything points to Richard being a very private person if you can’t see that thn u must not be aware ...

R518, you seriously think that point to which you responded was just about that piddling interview. YOU miss the point.

Keep on, oracle.

I'm just waiting for noone to show up.

R523 Likely Richard is very proud if him. Brandon was interviewed because it’s pride and he has an opinion and he represented. This is an inspiring interview. Some of you are so ridiculous

R527 Sorry I was just responding to the last parts of that message. Saying he “should come out” as whatever to please a bunch of people on the Internet makes no sense to me - that’s what I was addressing.

[Quote] we just don't know.

On that the industry thrives.

[quote]But that’s missing the entire point of the interview...why should he come out and say it?

Because he took the initiative. It's his own words.

R521 Do you really want to take one tiny nugget of information (probably eked out of R like squeezing blood from a turnip) and use that to try to imply that Richard blabs openly and in great detail about his private life all the time?

Hell, we don’t even know if that “first time” was with a male or female.

R516 He’s not MISLEADING anyone. He has made it very clear he’s not straight, which is what that interview was all about. If you feel mislead for thinking he was gay when he may be bi (and has actually referred to himself as bi in the past, so that’s not out of nowhere if it’s true) that’s your issue, not his fault. People use gay as an umbrella term now, as has been pointed out to you many times already. He IS standing up and talking about being not straight and standing for that- and you’re dragging him for doing it the way he’s doing it, even though that’s his truth.

God, if he ever stumbled onto this thread I wouldn’t blame him for promptly deciding to adopt Richard’s “say as little as possible and always stick to the same talking points” method.

R524, but he'll share what's sellable.

r525 It’s kind of why I wanted him to be in AHS. Even if it’s a shitshow now, at least it’s a foot in the door. We know RM takes a shine to cute gay (or whatever...) actors and wants them to succeed..

At this rate someone else is gonna have to make the new thread because imma be 💤💤💤

Ryan Murphy Land is a gay ghetto. Have any gay actors won an Emmy from his projects? Denis O'Hare, even?

[quote]He’s not MISLEADING anyone. He has made it very clear he’s not straight,

That doesn't mean he should call himself gay if he is not. Gay does not equal Bisexuality. What part of that statement do you not understand???

R537 Sarah Paulson swept awards season and she’s lesbian

R518 He actually does mention bisexuality a few times in the interview. In fact the interviewer never brings up him being bisexual it is always Brandon who brings up bisexuality or liking women. This part especially stood out to me:

This is the interviewer's question:

Have you ever actually come out to the public?

This was Brandon's response:

No. I’ve never used my platform to say, “Hey, I like men. I like women.”

Well Richard doesn’t like to “rock the boat” he even complained openly on Cara’s behavior and answers during her interviews while some of those young generations interpreted it as being fun and creative way of communicating..that’s why I’m wary on what Richard thinks about Brandon interviews..Richard is the type of person who is satisfied with same question and answers, same food and wear the same clothes...

I keep reading this interview to see why some of you are offended and I just find myself liking him more for his openness and realness. I also see why Richard seems so taken with him. He’s vulnerable and thoughtful. I love.

R541 I think it’s obvious with how much time he continues to spend with him that he’s completely obsessed with him and how he is.

Actually using the term gay to mean something “not gay” is the definition of misleading. I know millennials like to do it but it doesn’t make it any less misleading. Do gay men need to start referring to themselves as homosexuals again?

R529, bit if you understood his point, you would understand that he's not talking about something so small (a small bunch of people). He's talking the march of history.

Brandon is out. But his recent words have clouded the issue.

R541 Richard will find himself. He censors and constrains himself too much. It isn’t the best way to be but he’s protecting himself and what he has achieved. Brandon seems more open and free. It’s likely what attracts Richard.

R532,

Indeed we don't.

"I lost my virginity at 18" would not receive the same reception as "I lost my virginity at 18 to a man".

Richard is private about some things. "I am sleeping with someone" was fine for Miss Ellie but...

I believe Richard is paranoid and don’t want to come out because it stems from being traumatized as a young fat kid that played a gay boy who was raped in a show and when his classmates found about his role he was bullied immensely.

R538 You refuse to accept that people often use “gay” as an umbrella term, I get it. But they do. It’s not a crime to do that, the way you are acting like it is.

It’s also worth remembering that Brandon is only 25 years old, and still seems to be figuring himself out. Maybe when he referred to himself as gay, he was in a place where he thought that was the right label for him, and on further reflection later on thought, maybe it wasn’t after all. We just don’t know. You’re judging him really harshly over this, when he just seems to be someone who is a young person, and a really good, kind one at that, really trying to do his best. He isn’t going to get it right all the time, but god, he’s sure trying, when he could probably make it easier on himself- and his career- by keeping his mouth shut.

R533, c'mon, Brandon's complicit, even if he uses "gay" as an umbrella term. Some people aren't scratching their heads for no reason.

R544 the future belongs to the youth but you do what you want. This guy literally sucking face in public with his bf in plain view and proudly dated men and somehow you think he’s out misleading people. Ok.

[quote]Actually using the term gay to mean something “not gay” is the definition of misleading. I know millennials like to do it but it doesn’t make it any less misleading. Do gay men need to start referring to themselves as homosexuals again?

R544, thank you.

It should be obvious to anyone with a working brain cell that it is indeed misleading to label yourself gay when you are not. Instead, we have a bunch of straight women trying to oppress, in this very forum, gay men for expressing confusion over this interview. I knew this would happen and that's why I said in a previous post that these women do not understand the depth of emotions that come with coming out.

And truth to form, here they are trying to stop gay men from having a conversation about misleading labeling.

R539, cool beans. Any men of the lavender persuasion?

R551 I didn’t say he was being misleading. I just think the practice of using the word “gay” when you’re not is. It’s a label that people fought for that isn’t yours. But whatever, people will do what they want. I’m more lenient on Brandon than most. Above I conceded that he’s obviously figuring himself out and that’s his right.

R553 Hmmmm not that I can think of. Billy Porter would probably the first from his crew if he starts winning.

R541 Cara wasn’t being eloquent or insightful like Brandon is interviews. She was just not having it with the interviewers and didn’t want to keep it professional when they were being annoying to her. Huge difference.

R541, the same bed partners... Oh, wait.

He also backtracked on those Cara comments. Some say he even lied about being misquoted. Who knows.

R547 Well, Richard was needled into that answer by a reporter, and he used “I’m sleeping with someone” as an answer because he was asked point blank was he sleeping with someone. He was throwing the words back at the reporter.

And, yeah, it’s fine because he was talking about Ellie. A woman. Extremely different than if it had been a man. There are absolutely no consequences for an actor like Richard to say “yeah, I’m sleeping with her”, where there are a world of consequences for “yeah, I’m sleeping with him”. Of course he has to be more careful, it’s just the world we live in.

People mad at Brandon for using gay possibly as an umbrella term have to be mad at millennials in general. There’s a generational difference obviously. Kids who are bisexual or pansexual call themselves gay often.

Maybe I’m naive but I thought people fought for the right to be gay and for the rights of everyone else who identifies as the other letters too.

R535 I wish he was in it this season. Hopefully after his 13RW contract is done, he can move on to the next thing with Ryan Murphy. He has that movie “Looks That Kill” slated to come out, but no release date yet.

Does the future really belong to the youth? Tell that to the bunch of old white men making decisions that will impact generations.

[quote]Maybe I’m naive but I thought people fought for the right to be gay and for the rights of everyone else who identifies as the other letters too.

You are naive then.

Gay people fought in order to enjoy human rights, because they did not have them.

I’m not surprise Richard doesn’t want to be labeled as a gay actor...Let me ask this for the past 2 years besides being in an assembled cast of 13RW and 3 eps of True detectives has he been offered any roles in movies or TV shows? I’ve checked his IMDB and there is nothing going on for him, not only is he labeled a gay actor he’s also famously know as “Sam Smith’s ex “and part of that is because of them being so open together ...Brandon is brave,naive and wear his heart on his sleeves but he had a lot of career mishaps with the decisions he made..

R554 but here is the thing, actions should speak louder than words and labels. Brandon is out in Hollywood being his true self from the start, never bearding, never closeting himself, proudly being in a very public affectionate relationship with a man, advocating for people’s rights to love who they want yet you are hang up on his need to label himself a certain way. Perspective please.

*Brandon

R562 oracle, you are now being plain argumentative for no reason. It isn’t even helpful

R552, have you noticed how many people are carping on about the youth but not identifying where they themselves lie? They're speaking for a group to which they don't belong. Speaking over queer voices, speaking over young queer voices in this very thread... they won't take a second to think about what that means.

They just want to squee about Brandon (and Richard).

R562 that’s what I said moron.

R562 honestly please take your bullshit “readings” elsewhere. Your attitude is so gross

Oracle, don’t let these straight girl stans run you out of this thread. Your opinions are valid. As are your readings on whose cock is going into whose hole.

[quote]oracle, you are now being plain argumentative for no reason. It isn’t even helpful

R566, stating a fact is not being argumentative. It's just that. Stating a fact. You made a comment. I corrected you. Simple as that.

R563 Career mishaps? He literally just graduated college a couple of years ago and got a recurring role on a hit TV show two months later. He was going to continue doing theatre so I’m not sure he would’ve even been in film or television right now had it not been for Netflix and he seemed fine with that. I said upthread that the real test ofcourse will be Post 13RW because honestly none of his actor costars are doing much either (not counting Dylan on the music side) with the exception of Katherine Langford, the lead Hannah Baker. Brandon is contracted by Netflix and has to work around their schedule so I’m not even sure he can audition for other TV shows or movies at this point (we saw this with Constance Wu recently with her having to pull out of a movie due to the renewal of Fresh Off The Boat).

Just give him time...he’s one of the most talented actors by far on the show.

R570 not straight. Still find him gross. WHAT A CONCEPT!

R557, needled? He's not a child. He was asked about Kit and he shut the question right down. He refused to be drawn on Brandon. He careful and calculated. He's no fool. Though the longer this charade goes on, he may look very foolish. Time will tell.

No one has to like the gay as an umbrella term but the fact remains it happens. You can dislike Brandon for it. You can hate him for not picking a label. You can also hate every single millennial and younger who does it. Actions speak louder than words until you don't get the label you desperately want. That's idiotic.

I think some people are disappointed that Brandon hasn’t only had sex with men in the past (even though if you pay attention he’s mentioned coming out as bisexual) and are working through that “new” knowledge right now.

Anyway, according to this article, Richard was in Paris today for this Karl Lagerfeld memorial thing. Maybe that’s why he wasn’t seen this morning by the fans and had his bag with him when he returned to the hotel this evening.

What interview are people talking about?

R563, would you rather he went the Richard route?

R564, words can undo the beauty and economy of action. No one posting in this thread thinks Brandon's on the road to ex-Gay or something.

[quote]Oracle, don’t let these straight girl stans run you out of this thread.

Thanks hon ; )

Oh I'll remain here. I still love R & B, I may take issue with a thing here and there, but I still think they are a wonderful couple.

As for the fangurls, blocked and reported. No need to waste energies with them.

R571 I didn’t make that comment so you didn’t correct me. Your opinions however have been silly and overbearing tonight. You are just arguing for the sake of it. Brandon has lived an open and proud life and his actions speak for themselves but you keep going on what is the acceptable and allowed.

R580 what did he say that was wrong? Can you read? Can he live his life? Lol. You spew nonsense. I miss the old trolls who at least don’t pretend.

r577 It's strange there are no pictures of him since upon searching there are pictures of the others.

My apologies if that was the case R582.

But I was not argumentative, the poster said something that was clearly erroneous, I went ahead and corrected that poster. No posturing. I was just stating a fact.

R578 new interview for pride via Variety

R575, who hates Brandon? Who in the thread even knows him. "I don't like whar you're saying" = Hate. So reductive.

R584 he probably hid as always lol

R586, that's the article the current brouhaha amongst posters is about. It was posted upthread and resulted in this flame war.

Brandon's friend Alisha liked a ig post that was a screenshot from the variety article. Maybe Brandon will link to it tomorrow

R582, and you overuse the word gross. You also try to stop people from posting what they want to post. How futile.

Someone might want to make a new thread...

Brandon ofcourse spent time with other friends today only because his man was gone....that is so ironic and just shows that they’re literally attached at the hip when they can be.

R590 I definitely think he’s going to link to it (and Variety probably expects him to).

R582, acceptable and allowed? Brandon's playing into what's acceptable and allowed by muddying the waters over his earlier, beautiful words.

What is so controversial about the interview? I just skimmed it.

New Thread

R596 thank you. God knows I wasn’t gonna do it tonight after this crap

R594 have you followed his career? Because he’s said the same exact thing since 2017. Nothing new. Ask anyone in the 13RW fandom.

r595 ask oracle. It’s apparently not good at all.

God that Brandon interview is a mess.

R598 it’s news to some people. They just found out

Brandon will be fine. He knows who he is and isn't afraid to show it. Confidence is what people in this industry are looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if they offer him a bigger role next.

Richard on the other hand is being very secretive in hopes it won't shatter his strong leading white straight male image. He wants the cake and he wants to eat it too. If he didn't care about the big $$ he would've stayed in the UK and not make the move to LA to break in to Hollywood aka the big $$.

It makes me think that he genuinely thought the public and the press would buy the "roommates" story so he wouldn't have to worry about not getting the big mainstream straight roles he wants (Bond etc.) Again with the double standard in Hollywood that straight actors can play the leading roles but non straight ones are only cast as such. And I believe that this is his biggest fear. He just comes off as someone who is afraid of showing the world who he is and would rather cater to the masses. The exact opposite of Brandon.