British Royal Family Gossip: Part 73

God bless you OP. Let's keep this fun and light, with all things tiaras and how these grifters earned their rights! (Yuck, I actually rhymed)

On another note, does anyone know why Phil the Greek handed over the mentoring of the young Charles to Lord Mountbatten, Known Pedophile Extraordinaire? Where was the wisdom in that?

Mountbatten death was probably one of those universally celebrated deaths. Truly a right sack of shit, that man.

R1 - I don't know if Philip would hand any of his children off to anyone. He liked to be in charge. The Queen and Prince Philip were away a lot in Charles' childhood making state visits and touring the Commonwealth so the Queen Mum and the Mountbattens became parent substitutes for them on occasion. Charles was probably closer to Louis than to his own father and was devastated when he was killed by an IRA bomb.

This!

Do try to stay calm and avoid snits.

Arguing with trolls, rather than blocking them, merely drives normal people off the thread and increases the chances it will be closed. If you are here for gossip and fun, block or scroll. If you are trying to derail the thread, you have no power here, we will merely carry on.

I always wondered about that, too, R1. I guess they wanted to ensure the Battenberg line was properly intertwined with that of the Windsor dynasty.

The DoE started off being taken into exile in an orange crate cum cradle to marrying the heir presumptive to the British throne, all from Dickie's guidance and manoeuvring. I'd call that a success but I never understood the fatherly role he played to a boy with a living father.

Trolls came out of the water

Now I'm feeling so sad, cos I know

Trolls hang out at every corner

But they can't touch us no

Cos we're all trolls too...

I chuckle at the poetry/song lyrics troll. S/he gives the flavour of tumblr without the concomitant deranged semiotic analysis.

R7 - I don't share your sentiment. The lyrics are tiresome so this poster has been blocked for awhile.

Photos of Diana and Fergie. The Duchess could never compete with the Princess.

Eugenie and Fergie don't look too bad here.

Ditto. Im banning all bizarro trolls who are looking to derail the thread. Im going to ban that hysterical frau from the previous thread too, should she descend here. Made me shudder.

Can anyone recommend Lady Pamela Hicks book "Daughter of Empire"? She was Mountbatten's daughter.

R9 I think she never wanted to anyway.

Pamela's mother a Mountbatten was a beauty in her day. She was also quite the character.

The current Countess of Mountbatten is the former Penelope Eastwood. She's a friend of Charles and Philip.

This Mountbatten tiara was sold. Click for photos and info.

I see the crap PR is particularly frantic today, and wonder if the Turnaround Harry articles are making them feel sad.

Harry's worked hard with Meghan so that she'd not pick her nose at royal events. It's understandable that he'd be frustrated with her.

Who's laughing harder? Meg's ex-husband or the chef-bf?

R18 - Meghan has made mistakes and missteps in public but, to be fair, I've never seen her pick her nose.

the chef definitely got money to keep quiet, so probably him. He probably knows a ton.

Father’s Day on Sunday in the UK.

What do we reckon? B&W shot of Archie’s finger clutching Harry’s manly hand?

A collage of Charles and Hazz, with William's head cut out perhaps?

R23 - A collage of Charles, Thomas, Harry and Archie with Thomas' head cut out.

R22, a picture of Harry from behind, holding Archie. In black and white.

Harry finally dons a tie.

Camilla's Royal Ascot hats.

R27, I'm here for Camilla's hat game. And, I'm a fan of those pearl drop earrings. But, is the earring question totally settled or are there alternatives available from the royal collection?

History and photos of three tiaras worn by Kate. Which one do you prefer? I like the Cambridge Lover's Knot the best.

This is more of a crown than a tiara.

Kate's worn the Cambridge Lover's Knot so many times that it's really becoming associated with her. I'd actually be interested in seeing her in something new, perhaps something rarely worn. There was a posting a while back that included about 12 tiaras and I believe at least one included sapphires in the shape of her engagement ring.

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Good point R28, the pear earrings appear standard.

pearl not pear

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R32, now if he'd only but shave and stop wearing the Fozzie Bear face

I wonder if Granny or the Men in Grey have had a word with Harry about his professional appearance.

Somebody had to physically cause it to be done, because he is not capable.

I'm still shaking my head at H and M marrying on May 19 which was the date Anne Boleyn was beheaded in 1536. WTF?

Does a person's personality change when they wear a tiara?

Well, that didn't take long.

Because she hasn't, R20.

R19 - "Who's laughing harder? Meg's ex-husband or the chef-bf?"

Oh, the ex-husband, definitely. The chef probably hasn't had two fucks to give about her since she waved Bah-byeeeee. And he's ten times hotter than Harry ever was.

R40 - I don't know but I'd LOVE to find out!

The Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara was bound to become Kate's for life because of her ducal title. So Kate not only got Diana's iconic engagement ring, she got the tiara from the collection that became iconically associated with Diana's iconic tiara.

Speaking of jewellery, those Art Deco sapphire earrings Kate wore to the Trump banquet were marvellous. I hope the Queen lends Kate the George VI Sapphire Tiara soon. Meghan will spit nails.

Or wasn't it the Trump banquet . . . I think she wore those Art Deco sapphire earrings to something else . . . very recently. She must have worn pearl earrings to the banquet . . .

R43

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Kate wore the Queen Mother's fringe earrings to the Trump banquet.

Lotus flower tiara is my favourite on Kate.

And Lyrics Troll, I heart you and will definitely not be blocking you. How humourless are we in this thread, geez.

R46 - Ah, so I was remembering correctly. Yes, that's the earrings I was thinking of. Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous. And a nice departure from wearing pearl and diamond earrings with the pearl and diamond tiara. They obviously had a red, white, and blue theme for the banquet. HM in white and red rubies with the blue garter sash, Kate in white and blue, and Camilla in white and white . . .

I think an emerald tiara would look great with Kate's eye color and complexion, though I don't know if there is a pretty one in the collection aside from the Vladimir. I also liked her in the Lotus Flower Tiara.

R49 - I agree, I think Kate's colouring is more suited to emeralds than sapphires, but once she got that engagement ring, I think the sapphires were inevitable. That said, Kate does have a huge emerald and diamond necklace that doesn't look as if it was part of the royal collection; she wore it to the BAFTAS when she was pregnant with Charlotte, I think. The Palace was contacted about it and would only say it had been "privately purchased" which means it was a wedding gift either from the family so that Kate would have some high-end stuff of her own, or one of the Arab potentates sent it in as a wedding gift.

I'd like to know what's become of Diana's enormous multi-trand pearl choker into which she set the sapphire and diamond brooch the Queen Mother gave her as a wedding present, which held an oval sapphire the size of a very large egg.

R50, funnily enough I was looking that up last week. It's not been seen for years, in public. A few press articles stated that two diamonds had been taken from it to create MM's engagement ring, but I don't believe that for a second. It was probably her PR, looking for another Diana link. That is an iconic piece, made even more famous by the pictures of her wearing it with the "revenge dress". But each reference I found concluded with the fact that it had not been seen for years.

R50 Well then, sapphires will have to do! The fringe earrings looked great on her.

R50 you mean this one? Diana looked ravishing that night! Charles had done a very candid interview which was being broadcast across the UK that evening. She wanted to be sure to knock him off the front covers! Sassy minx looked terrific.

Can anyone comment why Diana's panorama interview got her booted out of the family when Charles had already blown the lid off with this interview?

Charles is the heir, Diana married in.

That's the one R53!

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I'm actually sobbing laughing, lol

Why The Queen hid away this Greville Emerald Tiara until Eugenie's wedding is beyond me. I thought it was a stunner and so unexpected.

I'm not sure why people keep saying that Will and Kate looked happy on the balconey on the Trooping The Colour. Their eyes were not smiling and they looked tense. They often seem to have fake smiles.

R58 = severe cataract alert! Please seek help from an eye professional immediately!

Oh, fuck off, R58.

R59 = Stupid, blind fag

I agree with R58. Wm and Kate are professionals. They dont call it the firm for nothing.

R60 = Stupid queen

Calling people fags and queens on a gay board is very clever indeed ...

R61 / R63 is probably just as fat as Megaton-GAIN is these days.

R65 I'm not fat, LOL. Certainly not like the fat American and British queens on DL.

What did Charles admit to in his Dimbleby interview?

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If I got to dictate, I’d put Kate in emeralds and diamonds, and Meghan in rubies and pearls. And Camilla in aquamarines and pearls. Bea gets sapphires and Eug gets emeralds, too.

Meego gets sequins on plastic Minnie Mouse ears.

R53 - That's the one! I doubt two diamonds were taken out of that piece for Meghan's ring - Diana had several pieces that Harry could have cannabalised for those two diamonds without wrecking the frame of a piece like this. And, as the Queen Mother gave Diana the piece, it was likely part of the royal collection and had been at one time given to the Queen Mother, who was partial to sweet colours. George VI gave his wife quite a bit of sapphire jewellery (as he said besottedly, "To match the sparkle of her eyes," as her eyes were one of her two signature features, being very large and very blue - the other was her magnificent complexion).

There are any number of earrings, bracelets, etc., that Harry could have gotten those two diamonds from.

It wasn't the Panorama interview that got Diana the boot, it was the Morton book, which she at first denied participating in, and then set up a photo op that made it clear she was lying. The two Panorama interviews with admissions of adultery on both sides formalised the Queen's decision, but after the Morton book, any real possibility of Diana remaining in the family and representing it, whilst being completely ostracised inside it for washing the family's dirty linen in public, was all over but the shouting. Diana claimed never to have wanted the divorce, but her statement only showed how out of touch with reality she was. Assuming she could stay in after the Morton book was a bit of mental sleight of hand that only Diana could have been capable of.

R62 - but Meghan the Former Actress and Suitcase Girl is all authenticity.

Please.

OT - Why aren't linked images appearing anymore?

R56 - If she's nursing, she isn't drinking or drugging. Of course, it's possible she's not nursing.

R74 - with the new DL changes, you have to log in/register on this site to see links.

R74, there has been an update. I know, I miss the linked images, too. It doesn't seem as lively, interactive.

I'm going to have to register, but I will feel sad for the unregistered ones, then.

R71, Too funny.

I'd like to link a video that would prove my previously stated theory that a lot of info is being leaked about MM to combat her aggressive paid PR Team's antics. However I've already got enough flack on DL for supposedly believing in CT espoused in YouTube videos. No, I take everything with a huge grain of salt, and welcome sensible theories to the contrary rather than overly aggressive insults.

Please post R78. I'm interested. And always up for constructive chat and gossip.

Diana has lots of charisma. It's too bad she was so damaged.

When she was Kate Middleton, she took out the trash.

Charles and Camilla having fun with their masks.

Meghan Markle’s nanny has apparently quit after just two weeks on the job

By Rebbekka Wolton, Jun 11, 2019

Link is too long to share, so if anyone is interested, Google.

Now all of a sudden, new stories about a new Nanny with a massive NDA.

R78 - Given that her paid PR team is supposed to be answering to Buckingham Palace's Communications Chief, why are they getting away with so much aggressive PR? As for paid - Latham's 140,000 p.a. salary is being split personally between the Queen and Charles, but the rest of the cost for the Sussex PR office is being paid for out of the Sovereign Grant, i.e., the UK taxpayer; this is true for all the other "communications" teams as they are considered a legitimate expense of activities carried out on behalf of the monarchy. The public portion of the cost is probably one reason the Sussexes' request for a separate court and a separate PR office so that they could build their own humanitarian brand was so emphatically denied, including by Charles. Using the public purse to fulfill Meghan Markle's personal agenda wouldn't have gone down well and the BRF know it even if moronic Harry chose to ignore the obvious.

I wonder if the "Africa Plan" was also dreamt up to give Meghan, in part, her wish to develop her own brand but within the framework of working for the monarchy. I'm not sure the public will buy it - after all, if British taxpayers are paying for the expense of travel there, staff, housing, wardrobe, etc., why is it all taking place in a country whose taxpayers are getting the benefit but aren't required to pay into it?

I can just see the BP courtiers seated around a table, wracking their brains for a way to get Meghan off their backs and out of the country, whilst still looking like they are doing their jobs so they can stay on the SG payroll? Because if they couldn't find a way to do so, the Sussexes' exit from the family with attendant scandal, would have been inevitable, and soon.

Photos of Diana on vacation in a sunny location.

R79, Do you believe any of the info in this video? Author has previously claimed to have various links of those in the know.

Hello say the Africa tour is only going to be for two weeks. Sorry to disappoint the Narc, Celebitchy, Catherine the Great and Welp trolls

CheatSheet isn't particularly reliable and admits the story about the nanny quitting in two weeks because of Meghan's obsessive control problem is unconfirmed. However, if it is true, it rather bears out what we've seen of her, and gives some idea of how the arrival of a child might just be the obsessive control straw that breaks Harry's back. It's one thing to be married to a hot actress who is obsessive about her image and her clothes, and quite another to be married to a fat 39 year old insecure Duchess whose new object of obsession is the baby and who goes out in clothes that make her look like the nanny rather than the Duchess.

R86, will you STOP linking to that stupid Danja Zone woman! She's some crazy southern church lady spouting Skippie nonsense from a trailer in Alabama.

Thank you, R76.

R74

Megs is keeping fit by doing yoga with Archie.

R89, be kind! R86 has found its level, so let it peacefully wallow in shit.

Now, as for tiaras and other sparkly bits, I would love to see more. I know there are beautiful pieces that can't be worn publicly because of their origins but they have more than enough that's drama-free to choose from.

Sapphires look great on Catherine, as they tone down her natural ruddiness.

Camilla seems monochromatic to me but diamonds really sparkle with her. Truly, the best I can remember Camilla looking was on her wedding day (sans heavy jewelry): with the long coat and the hat with a spray of feathers; absolutely distinguished.

Meghan needs to tone down the bronzer but I'm sure she would look stunning in deep jewel tones.

Eugenie has such pretty eyes and a nice complexion. Whatever her mother hasn't sold for scrap would probably go to Beatrice but her wedding tiara was nice.

Beatrice...do they still adhere to unmarried women not wearing tiaras?

Honestly, I want to see Kate or Meghan wearing a kokoshnik-style tiara. That style is breathtaking when done right and a modern princess could do it real justice.

R89, The last time I linked to her video series I got over 20 "Likes." Besides there's a hot shirtless picture of Harry, lying down in bed and with a lustful look in his eves, that I thought some on DL would appreciate. First time in a very long time where I actually thought he looked very appealing. So why don't you just skip my posts if you so intensely hate what I link? Sounds like you're an OCD Troll.

Did she just say 20 likes? Those mean something now?

P.S. 20, though...and, it's like there was bragging attached...just...I can't.

R93, don't mind my bitchery. I'm sure someone will find Harry sexy other than Meghan. I have a soft spot for gingers myself but not in a lusting fashion.

Wait, are we talking about HRH Harry or that boy bander with the unfortunate tattoos?

R93, I'm watching the vid, keep pausing as Im watching Celebrity Gogglebox, lol, but keep posting. I'm interested. I'm the poster who asked you to share, up above.

I'll get back to watching it now the programme has finished.

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R94, Tattoos are a turn-off IMHO as are party boys.

Posted the video despite the fact I knew I'd get a lot of dissing as it includes the sexiest picture of Prince Harry I've seen to this point. Previously thought he was just too dim & weak minded to be remotely appealing.

R93, Thank you for your support. I'm sure you'll find the video entertaining and amusing. Too much negativity in the news so we all need something light and fun on occasion.

"If she's nursing, she isn't drinking or drunking."

Because Sparkles ALWAYS plays by the rules.

R19 I would love to have a conversation with the ex-husband.

The bit from Eden Confidential is the usual bullshit. All it "reveals" is how out of touch with reality is the essence of the story. There is no competition with the Cambridges, because global popularity has no meaning in this game. The Sussexes could have "likes" on Jupiter, it wouldn't matter. The Cambridges will always be ahead of them on the only turf that matters: Great Britain and the British monarchy. Unless the Sussexes leave so they can milk their names for money on TV shows, the Cambridges will climb ahead of the Sussexes in rank and wealth. Archie will eventually be a nonentity in the family while William's kids and grandkids succeed to the throne.

The real place Meghan needs to boost her popularity is at home with the taxpayers who support her luxurious lifestyle. No one in the BRF and certainly amongst out of work auto workers in Swindon gives a fuck all about Meghan's popularity in China.

She can huff, and she can puff, but she can't blow the House of Cambridge down because it's made out of DNA: birth order bricks.

Why have I heard that both MM ex-husband and the chef/ex-BF were into some sort of open marriage and swinging arrangement? Wouldn't that be the norm in the celeb world as well as that of Hollywood and also possibly the BRF?

R99 - He's probably been paid off so you'll have to get him alone and pissed if you want any decent tea.

I'd prefer a conversation with the dear childhood friend who gave only ONE interview to the DM and spoke more convincingly than anyone else about how Meghan changed after she got the job on "Suits" and then started dating Harry. The friend thought Meghan and Trevor (the first husband) were a great couple and thought Meghan treated Trevor badly when she ditched him, and never looked back. It was the only one of the early shade interviews given by people who knew Meghan that sounded authentic, genuinely angry and sad, and honest.

R86 honey, what in the fresh hell is that trailer trash woman you are linking to?

R75, If she were nursing she wouldn't be so fat.

Upper class women nurse these days unless they fail at it, and she clearly has.

[quote] The real place Meghan needs to boost her popularity is at home with the taxpayers who support her luxurious lifestyle.

The British taxpayer! Think of the British taxpayer!

Speaking of Royal jewelry, this diamond bracelet was a wedding gift from Prince Philip to his bride. He didn't have much money back then, so his mother gave her a family tiara to use to make the bracelet. The Queen wore it for years and years, but in recent years it's been seen on the wrist of the Duchess of Cambridge. I think that's pretty sterling proof of the Queen's approval of Kate.

For some reason the previous post didn't show the wedding bracelet. Here it is.

R106, Thank you! I had never heard of the Wedding Gift Bracelet until now. Beautiful, and fascinating provenance!

[quote] Why have I heard that both MM ex-husband and the chef/ex-BF were into some sort of open marriage and swinging arrangement?

No idea. Listening to a lot of total fucking morons?

[quote] Wouldn't that be the norm in the celeb world

No.

[quote] as well as that of Hollywood

No.

[quote] and also possibly the BRF?

No. Is it the "norm" at your trailer park?

R105, if it was your money, you would, bitch.

R107 That bracelet is beautiful, thanks for sharing! Kate must be a favourite if the Queen gave her this bracelet. Lucky Kate.

R91 The Sun newspaper really seems to be the PR mouthpiece for MM. Do they really think we swallow up that bullshit. Gentle exercise, long walks, has she been reading Jane Austen to get ideas?

Haha taking her time and slowing losing weight whatever, she's really having trouble shifting that pregnancy weight. She's still enormous and filled with rage against the Middleton girls who give birth and are out and about a day later running errands in their pre baby skinny jeans.

Re: blind gossip regarding Meghan drinking - that would be the best thing she could do to ingratiate herself with the booze-loving Windsors.

"The Queen is known to have a taste for the finer things in life. Her favourite cocktail is gin and Dubonnet, she loves white wine, dry Martinis and champagne."

The Queen Mother sounds like she had a continuous blood alcohol level of 0.10.

Charles (with his alcoholic red face) and tippler Camilla - well, practically every picture of those two in public shows them imbibing alcohol.

William drunkenly dancing while far away from Kate.

And who can forget wasted Harry, naked, in Los Vegas with a bevy of escorts.

Well done, Meghan. Well done.

R113, and yet they still don't like her. Hmm...

R106, what strikes me about the photos of Kate is that you don't immediately notice the jewelry or its value. She definitely wears it, as opposed to it wearing her.

[quote] It wasn't the Panorama interview that got Diana the boot, it was the Morton book, which she at first denied participating in, and then set up a photo op that made it clear she was lying.

You are wrong. Andrew Morton's book came out in 1992.

Diana did the Panorama interview on November of 1995. Less than one month later, Buckingham Palace announced that the Queen wrote letters to Charles and Diana advising them to divorce.

Diana announced in February 1996 she agreed to divorce. The divorce was finalised in late August of 1996

Do the math

Haven't checked this thread for days. Let me get this straight, Meghan had a post-pregnancy contract with Trevor in which she wanted him to pay for her to get back into shape quickly. But now we're supposed to believe that she's done a complete 180 and doesn't care about losing weight. Sounds like she's finding the fat Markle genes are no joke. Personally I think Doria looks fine with her build but Thomas Markle's shape you don't get that way by just overeating, those are some bad genes. Just look at her half siblings they're all overweight and she herself was a chubby child.

She's gotten bigger now than post pregnancy, which is the strange part. There's no way she's getting bigger while nursing.

Probs dietary supplements to stay slim until she hooked her fish. No pills while preggo. Breastfeeding not working, Fat/bloat becoming permanent. She kind of is the people's princess - of the people who are fat.

[quote] She kind of is the people's princess - of the people who are fat.

LOL. Will Amal Clooney be seen with Fat Meghan?

Will Me-Gain go after Piers the way she goes after Catherine?

Wonder how Meg would feel being so obviously large in comparison? She'd do it if she could control the photos.

Political tightrope

Lmfao at r109!

R89 I was going to skip that link at R86 but then you said Danza Zone and I thought, isn't that the nutso woman who puts up videos of the royals "shape shifting" because "they're an old reptilian race hiding among humans"?

Yes, yes she is.

It’s not an accident that the name Archie also belongs to many notable Black men, like mathematician and politician Archie Alexander, or Canadian jazz musician Archie Alleyne.

R116 Yes the Panorama interview did expedite the divorce but the other poster R72 was right, the Morton book was the reason Diana and Charles separated.

The Morton book was released in 1992 and a couple of months later Charles and Diana announced their separation. If you were around at the time you would know what a huge bombshell that book was and then to find out she had cooperated with the author was an enormous scandal. It dominated the headlines and lead to the Camillagate/Squidy tapes and the subsequent War of the Wales's played out in the media. Diana opened Pandora's box and was never going to be welcomed back into the arms of the BRF after that sort of betrayal.

Meghan Markle has nothing to say about female empowerment. Nothing. She was “empowered” by a man & his deeply patriarchal family.

And to people who keep saying she’s bigger since giving birth...I don’t think she is. She’s clearly had her facial fillers renewed which has given her a bloated, overly smooth, ballon like face. You can tell because she can’t smile as widely as normal - her skin is too tight.

And I agree with the people saying her body is still plump because she’s not breastfeeding. I doubt Archie has ever had anything other than a rubber teat in his mouth. When you have to have your tits lifted as she did when the enormous implants were removed, the nipple always has to be repositioned. This nearly always involves removing them completely and reattaching which will make breastfeeding impossible. Her revolting nipples seem to be permanently erect which indicates that the muscles that would otherwise retract them have been cut.

R126 Yeah...like those two cretins have ever heard of either of them.

R128-Oh my god-I had no idea so much butchery happened with a boob job. I don't care how flat women are, why the hell would you do that to yourself? *Shudder*

Evidence Meghan had implants not push up bras? I'm assuming this is the Deal or NO Deal period.

Boob jobs are passé now, even the ones who have them done are having smaller implants, unlike those monstrosities even just 10 years ago. Victoria Beckham had the most disgusting pair of implants ever. Many young men today like tight, lithe bodies instead of just big-tits. I'm on the fence about Meghan having had implants, or if she did she had the saline implants you can insert and remove easily. I had a roommate with implants when I was in college, they were gross as in hard and didn't move right, but she love showing them off. Later I found out that they leaked and she had to have 2 more surgeries but those made her even more deformed. She was suicidal.

Apparently she's in talks to do a commercial for Snickers. That way she'll be able to pay for her own designer clothes.

R132, How would a current member of the BRF whom others have dissed for her constant merching be allowed to act in a Snickers' commercial unless of course all of the fees paid went straight to a charity? Like the deserved praise MM got for promoting and publicizing the cookbook to financially & emotionally help the victims of that terrible residential fire.

Princess Margaret of Connaught (granddaughter of Britain's Queen Victoria) married Crown Prince Gustaf Adolf of Sweden in 1905 wearing an Irish lace veil which was one of her wedding presents. Her only daughter, Princess Ingrid of Sweden, wore the same veil when she married Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark in 1935. Ingrid was about 10 years old when her mother passed away, so it was no doubt an extremely meaningful gesture. Ingrid took the veil with her as she became Queen of Denmark, and started a tradition that continues today: all of her female descendants have married in the same veil.

It's a secret from the Queen. She didn't ask permission before she signed the contract. The commercial will be filmed at a secret location in Scotland.

A special movie break for DoS ....as she continues to nest.

Do many people give a toss about Fergie these days? She had her moment in the press a long time ago and she was only became more famous because of her relationship with Diana. I honestly don't think people care about her anymore, even if she were to remarry Andy, there would be a flurry of press for a few days then after that nothing. She old, fat and affable, that doesn't really sell media anymore

Some interesting bits her about the faux pax during the Morocco visit.

Also speculation on the possible reasons for the unexpected visit itself.

I never heard the bit about the dates.

Fergie is giving hints about what she wants for her birthday

[quote] Sixty can still be sexy, insists Sarah, Duchess of York — and she intends to prove it when she hits the milestone this autumn.

[quote] 'I have decided that I want to start dressing more sexy and sassy, so I can be fabulous at 60,' Fergie tells me.

[quote] Speaking at the Butterfly Ball at Grosvenor House Hotel, Mayfair (left), Prince Andrew's former wife reveals that their daughters, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, have been tasked with organising a birthday extravaganza to remember.

[quote] 'I have no idea what I'm going to do to celebrate, but here's hoping the girls organise the party of the century.'

R132, R135, Thanks for your very informative posts. If I were Her Majesty I'd long ago have canceled all appearances by MM and assume any trip to Africa would likely be a disaster. Wonder if there will be a Royal attempt to cancel the Snickers commercial? Or will it be allowed as a way for MM to pay back some of her over-the-top expenses?

Now we know why the expected baby nurse, cook, housekeeper/maid, multiple staff etc that one would expect for a Royal baby do not exist. MM must have gone through a huge expense budget already. Private helicopter flights to pick-up midnight snacks? Constant late night super private parties?

Originally wondered why QE II didn't immediately insist MM take a BRF etiquette instructional course. Plus have a constant escort, disguised as security, to read her the riot act and make sure she followed 100% of all protocol, including approving all wardrobe choices to prevent visible price tags. Now we know she's way too stubborn & obstinate for her well-paid job. Grounds for an annulment?

markle had a ton of staff originally given to her, and all of them left really fucking quickly.

I sincerely doubt there is any snickers commercial. Her "acting career" is over.

OMG the Snickers post was a joke. I’m beginning to think most of the rumors about MM are people throwing shit out there hoping it sticks. And it does!

not a fan of Diana’s revenge dress look. A little too try hard...I find her most attractive in her natural state, when appeared shy, vulnerable, soft, especially when she was photographed truly listening or interacting one on one with others. Of course the coy peek up with suppressed smile was lovely.

Kate would look loads better with more subtle makeup, especially the garish blush..her natural beauty, especially her eyes, would shine in neutral toned makeup. It doesn’t flatter her and often just looks like makeup mask.

Don’t know if MM was under the influence at TTC, but I doubt she’s breastfeeding, if so she’d be thinner and definitely less puffy. I like the idea of rubies for her, and stop with the bronzer and fake lashes! Has anyone seen Aussie show Instant Hotel? woman Shay looks just like her, but a tad more porny.

Is it weird that between the professional actress and the college sweetheart of the Heir, who never worked in her life- KATE is the better actress? Watching her on that kids' show yesterday- she is natural and so unassuming and I imagine there's a ton of pressure on her behind the scene what with competing with the Sussexes, Will's cheating and to prove all's well- but she is really doing the English Rose act so well! How? Markle is an ACTRESS! She should be better at this. But she is just so OBVIOUS in her act.

And R145, in every outing w Kate, MM always has her creepy stare. Lordy.

Shay!!!

Kate’s been at it a long time, r145. Over 15 years since she was involved with William. Meghan is only going into her third year. Practice makes perfect!

Fergie would look better with short hair. She's too old for long hair.

R148, Perhaps. However I see Kate is far more dutiful. She seems to me to want to fit in more so than MM, who's so strong willed. That's why I immediately sensed she was such a poor choice for the BRF despite hoping that she would have the sense to work harder to adjust to her new role.

So Prince Harry was dating a Burberry model who was not enough of a wild partier for him?

Do you think he still parties?

[quote] OMG the Snickers post was a joke. I’m beginning to think most of the rumors about MM are people throwing shit out there hoping it sticks. And it does!

heh heh heh... Meghan Markle brings together two overlapping populations who are easily misled-- the credulous stans and the know-it-alls who want to demonstrate superior understanding of Britain. As a result, trolling this thread is very satisfying. No doubt the same thing is happening all over the internet. Fortunately it is a harmless diversion.

Jesus, not even Cadbury? Can’t this dumb ho get anything right?!!!

R130 The evidence is her enormous jugs in the glamour shots she posed for years ago. She wasn’t wearing a bra at all, let alone a push up one.

There’s also the “I’m so horny” nude shot she sent to someone. Her tits are huge in that. And no, it’s not photoshopped....probably the only one that isn’t.

She had implants. Get over it.

Where is the I’m so horny photo...I must have missed that.

Samantha Cohen who was QE's assistant private secretary for 17 years was assigned to MM for 6 months specifically to teach her royal protocol. No doubt she did her job impeccably.

Being among a herd of actress wannabes and going to cattle call auditions all trying to get the job...the strategy was to stand out, get attention and then charm or manipulate, getting attn s the hardest part..how to stand out among attractive, desperate thirsty women? That was her reality, attn is power. T conform to protocol, blend into family is anathema. Standing out is the only thing that has worked. She wasn’t in a field where you work hard, build knowledge base, skills and move up a ladder.theres a desperation at that level of unknowns..she was likely in the middle as far as looks, BUT she can chameleon into what us want, sh reads people..so, now, suddenly to achieve she needs to conform and bond...she has never done that. Any success has been via standing out, shrewd dating and networking.

Meant to say conform, blend, support husband and family’s her job now and it’s a huge differ nice to an attn junkie.

I am convinced MM is as non-conforming as she can manage hoping to be paid to leave. From where I sit, royal protocol would be easier to master than most new jobs. So she must be choosing to be as disruptive as possible.

Hope this posts. Most nude pics of hers are photoshop jobs. This one isn’t.

Her breasts aren't very nice at all.

Thinking about it (vom) - it’s possible that she never had implants & those great saggers are natural. In which case she’s had a reduction & uplift.

Highly unlikely she’d be able to breastfeed after this.

[quote] As a general rule, we do not recommend patients who want to breastfeed in the future have this procedure. A woman’s ability to breastfeed relies on the breast gland being connected to the nipple by the breast ducts, as the nipple is often moved during surgery it is more than likely that these ducts are cut and therefore no longer connected to the nipple.

[quote] It is highly recommend that you finish your family before having this operation for both this reason and also to avoid any future revision surgery. If you become pregnant after having this procedure, there is a chance that your breasts will enlarge and stretch the skin again taking you back to a drooped appearance.

From a cosmetic surgery site.

How funny if they’ve sagged again. Poor Harry!

Oh, Christ, Ivanka stole one of Huge's hats!

R139, is that real or from a script of The Windsors?

OMG, it's as if Fergie is speaking to her target audience- us queens from the 80s who love her. Give me the Bonkers Fergie Show over the MM show any day!!!

If/when she shuts the door on the Andy remarriage speculation Fergie could tour with personal appearances and Q & A at smaller venues in cities across the English speaking world. Would be a sell out hoot with limitless hook-up opportunities among like-minded souls at the theatre bars. Win win.

I think one thing we will be able to appreciate in the long term- MM and all her showboating will have dragged the BRF and the Cambridges in particular into the Millennial age of social media. As someone said so succinctly on the previous thread, Diana with all her tantrums dragged the BRF, kicking and screaming into the modern age. She taught them how to publicly put on an empathetic face, "to lower the flag" so to speak. Today if her sons are championing mental health, it's a testament to her open, empathetic approach that she forced the Firm to contend with- much to the Firm's long term advantage.

With Megs, she may be annoying but her arrival alone has made the Cambridges pull up their socks, put on their game face and most importantly, up their social media game! Where they will though, is they actually have substance and traction with the British public to back up their SM presence

Charlotte Casiraghi, the daughter of Princess Caroline of Monaco, tied the knot to the son of Carole Bouquet on June 1st.

Louis Ducruet, the son of Princess Stephanie of Monaco, is engaged to an Eurasian.

The celebrity jihad website is hilarious. at R160. Sort of nudes for Muslim . With commentary like MM has Egyptian. Eyes but saggy breasts so put her in a burka. And since Englishmen are proffers not like us Muslims......those boobies are taunting us men, our manly beards would chafe her breasts...etc. very entertaining,

R160, that is a photoshop from a homophobic site called PH an 'aids riddled fag'. Her boobs are nowhere near that big. This is the real thing.

* A homophobic site which called PH...

The pic I link to it from a friend's instagram, showing a/b cups which fit with the bikini pics we have of Meg, showing no cleavage at all and very small breasts.

No, R171. That photo is not photoshopped. Sorry. And the ones you’ve posted (also on the Celeb Jihad site - which debuted them) are AFTER she’s had a reduction/uplift.

And there are umpteen pics of her as a younger woman with much, much larger breasts.

Fake tits. Fake teeth. Fake nose. Fake everything.

Now, piss off.

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MM had breast implants or an enlargement procedure. They were removed before her marriage to Prince Harry. That's why there are pictures of her with varying sizes of breasts online.

Sparkles had THE WORST implants, the half grapefruit style, a la Vicky Beckham. Phony all the way.

The Harry Turnaround story is literally everywhere, so enjoyable. As are the little pictures of pumpkin head with her teeny tiny navy hat.

R173, shut the fuck up, you spaz. There are dozens of bikini pics which show that she's almost flat chested - like most skinny women. There's only one photo of her with big beige nipples and larger - but definitely natural breasts - the one you link to. So yours is the photoshop, bitch.

Wow! How did we miss this, you guys? She's a sexy bitch!

Kate looks like a trans. Far too tall and skinny.

r180- we didn't. Someone posted this saying they love 70s vibe. I like it too. She morphs into Liz Hurley at times. Other times she looks like a more beautiful Marianne Williamson

Oh, you made me laugh, R181. Thanks for that!

Thanks, R182, for pointing that out to me. I must be the only one who missed it! Sorry about that...

Kate definitely has Caitlyn Jenner vibes sometimes.

R185, Some of the women BRF members strike me as having a somewhat masculine vibe. Definitely QE II and Camilla too. Perhaps because they need to be so strong to fulfill their roles and deal with constant threats? Look at Princess Anne.

Oh, the Kate hater is back.

Talking to yourself is so much fun, isn't it?

r187- just block them and move on. Another troll attempt at thread derailment.

R180, Love that long white outfit on Kate.

MM's attempts to look sexy @ R174's link are hilarious. She exudes absolutely no sexual chemistry at all. They're akin to her "sexy" BBQ video. She has the same asexual vibe as Tom Cruise.

R188, I think it's a single person. It took some time for him to find out about having to register, though ... apparently he's not the smartest tool in the box, haha.

R190, That doesn't quite make sense as MM usual acting role was as "the hot girl" including on Suits. I haven't seen anything she's done so cannot fairly comment.

Interesting the constant comparisons between MM and Kate as they have very different looks and appeal. Straight men do like a variety of body types and images however.

R169, Charlotte Casiraghi has gorgeous bone structure. Wow. But what’s with the greasy scraggly hair at his collar? Digusting.

Casiraghi is gorgeous. I'd read rumblings of a hook up with Brad Pitt in 2017, which I can totally believe. She's stunning

R193, R194, Check out Charlotte's incredible looking profile.

This thread is about the British Royal Family.

Wow, is that her wedding gown, r195, down below in the link, with her husband in a tux? So fucking chic.

fyi, there's a European Royals thread that covered the wedding in Monaco.

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Well, a segue into Grace Kelly's granddaughter's beauty is better than Meghan bloody Markle's boob jobs!

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R200 you can ignore the breast implant discussion...or fuck right off.

Cheers!

Re the speculation about the sudden Morocco visit posted at r138. The blogger got it wrong. If it was "hastily arranged in order to be able to expense an expensive dress" because the "original event it was ordered for was cancelled", the dress in question was not the red day dress she wore on arrival while Harry was inspecting the honor guard at midnight. It was the Dior gown she wore the next evening. Rumor was, she'd planned on attending the Oscars and the Palace thwarted her by arranging this quick trip to Morocco.

I dunno though. The Dior gown had a high neck, long sleeves...very modest in keeping with a visit to a Musl im country. W ould she really have worn something so covered up to the Oscars? Remember the b&w sequined bathing suit top she wore to the Royal Albert Hall a short time previously.

yes r203, i tend to agree with you. That she's thirsty enough to bulldoze her way into the Oscars, I can believe but the dress in Morocco seemed too basic and not va va voom enough for an Oscars dress.

LOL at the DM article on Kate's new style : "Something rather fabulous has happened to the Duchess of Cambridge. Gone is the strained expression, the spaniel hair, the too-short skirts and the frumpy country Sloane look"

Gotta agree. Kate is killing it lately. Competition is good for her. I wonder if DM writers are DLers?

r203 I remember reading that valentino dress was either bespoke or vintage, it wasn't off the rack. So it was pricey as well. It's at times like this I miss the royal dish thread that was keeping track of her outfits.

At this point royal commenters should be paying US for all our invaluable insights, bitchezz!!!! More from Sarah Vine's article (apologies for the wonky formatting) : Of course, Meghan coming on the scene has changed a lot. Many Royal watchers thought the Duchess of Sussex might destabilise Kate. And it’s true: contrasted with Meghan’s star quality, Kate’s wholesome image might have made her seem drab by comparison. But it’s had the opposite effect. It’s only highlighted how grounded Kate is — and her status as one of the few grown-ups of the younger royals. There is a big difference between royalty and celebrity, and Kate understands which side of the fence she sits on. You won’t see her hobnobbing with the likes of George Clooney, or partying with Hollywood stylists in the way that Meghan does.

The result? Kate feels real, whereas Meghan feels contrived. Like Princess Diana before her, who was always being photographed leaving parties, Meghan seems inalienably drawn to the bright lights, obsessed with self-image and controlling her exposure.

Kate, by contrast, comes across as unpretentious, maintaining a much more discreet profile. If she does let her hair down — which I’m sure she must — she does so in private, with close friends rather than famous faces.

And it has not gone unnoticed. Not just by us, the public, but by the Royal family itself.

Compared to Meghan, who seems determined to recast the Royal family as a platform for her own global domination, Kate is the perfect royal. Perhaps that is also why her style has become more elegant and confident: she feels it too.

That old uniform of girlish dresses, tan tights and nude heels has been replaced by dazzling super-chic outfits to satisfy even the most exacting fashionista — and yet, in true Kate style — she has done it without looking too try-hard or fashion obsessed. There are few things more attractive than a confident, strong woman, and that is now the Kate we see before us"

R201, Much prefer those style choices on Kate, as compared to some of her previous BRF appropriate but much more maternal styles. Then again she is the mother of 3 young children. Recall Princess Diana promoted Conservative, covering dresses when she became a mom as well.

However I hope long culottes and full-legged pants don't come back in style as they only flatter very tall, thin model-types like Kate. Skinny jeans forever is my motto.

R205, didn’t someone mention Kate’s regular stylist is on maternity leave, so someone else is helping her.

If that’s true, then if I were Kate, I’d stick with the replacement stylist!

**commentators

R174, thanks for posting the old link with M's attempt at glamour posing. I'd written off the boob job gossip as getting into conspiracy territory, but she really must've had one, which has since been reversed. She's so horrible at doing the sex kitten thing--she looks more like she has suffered a concussion. And that styling, yikes!

I think Kate would look much better if she cut her hair. I don't care how thick and glossy it is--it drags down her face. She looks much better when it's up and she's wearing a hat; she'd get the same effect if her hair were shorter and more layered.

agreed. as she ages, she should cut a Camilla style haircut

I think that's her "look", R212. Some women absolutely love long hair, whether it suits them or not. I think it does suit her. And who knows, maybe William loves it.

R214, Agreed. Long hair feminizes Kate and she can always wear an up-do for a more sophisticated look.

r207 This is why Meghan is such a bad actress. She always knows where the camera is and always has to look at it. She always has to perform for it, instead of just getting on and doing the job. Kate just gets on with the job and wears the appropriate uniform.

Kate knows herself and knows her role as a Princess of the UK. Meghan doesn't know herself, she got lost a long time ago pretending to be someone. She's currently pretending to be a Princess of the UK. She thinks being a Princess is just wearing expensive clothing and hanging around with alisters, turning up at events smiling for the cameras and shaking hands. This is why her PR is becoming even more agressive, she doesn't understand why nobody likes her and won't listen to anyone who tells her why.

She's not a Princess. She's a DutchAss.

R215, I actually think the long hair makes her look more masculine, as she wears it in such a way that exposes her entire face. She isn't a classic beauty and a bit more hair over her forehead or moving around her face would soften her up.

To be fair, lots of people in the States love MM. She's trying to work that big, warm, charismatic thing. It's 100% working with American fraus. I wonder if her PR firm is American though? If they were Brits, they would just know how the public is and how much they hate the 'BIG' american persona. Strange.

R218, I liked it when she had bangs, but they didn't stick around long.

I don't think Kate's hair needs to be as short as Camilla's but lopping off three or four inches would take off some of the weight. She did look great at that last event in the skinny white gown. Her hair could've been in a shampoo commercial.

No bangs looked awful. She looked exactly like Marianne Williamson. Now i can't unseen it

"I think one thing we will be able to appreciate in the long term- MM and all her showboating will have dragged the BRF and the Cambridges in particular into the Millennial age of social media".

The Royal Family were already on social media BEFORE Meghan arrived on the scene. She didn't "drag" them anywhere.

It's laughable and completely, utterly ridiculous when people attempt to point out all the beneficial things Smugz has done for the Royal Family. Now THAT is delusion, my friends.

People in the US either are disinterested in MM or loathe her. The PR drumbeat is a waste of money.

It is just another pathetic attempt to reference Diana, R224 - after all I have done for this fucking family, etc.

By the way, thought her PR put out that MeMe was going to breastfeed in public to --normalizze it-- as though women have not been nursing their kids since there have been humans. She was a suitcase girl who got lucky. Her global impact is nill and history will regard her as a brief blip that could have been briefer.

Clearly had big implants on Deal Or No Deal, later removed, or switched for smaller implants.

Poster upthread who says Meghan isn't a Princess - she is. If the Queen hadn't made Harry Duke of Sussex upon his marriage, Meghan's (courtesy) title would have been Princess Henry. She is a royal duchess which carries an HRH which bestows the rank of princess. Ordinary heredistary dukes carry the title Your Grace, not Your Royal Highness. Her occupation on Archie's birth certificate says, "Princess of the United Kingdom". That's what Kate's passport lists as her occupation, as well. HRH Duchess of Sussex = rank of Princess.

The ASS part is another story.

Most actresses get implants - it is the norm. Except for Goop, Kiera Knightly and Kate Hudson (who finally got implants).

In the US, breast augmentation is extremely popular and the #1 cosmetic procedure.

That's too bad, R227, that she's a princess (not capitalized.) She doesn't deserve the title. She's a fucking joke.

R196: autistic and triggered.

A royal wave.

Mediocrity rules the day. An unpolished turd in the White House, and a sleazy pole dancing heifer in the BRF.

R229 - Yes, I agree, she is something of a joke. The thing about monarchy is that it's close to a joke on its own if you look just turn the kaliedoscope slightly. So it really can't afford to let more jokes in. And amongst Diana, Fergie, and Meghan, they let in three jokes: two clinical narcissist's and one hapless clown. The lower rank married ins tend to do better (Sophie Wessex, the Duchesses of Gloucester and Kent). I think it's ironic that the mistress homewrecker horse-faced Camilla has been the keeper: low-key, friendly but not wearing her heart on her sleeve, always behind Charles not in front of him, affable, jolly, inoffensive . . . everything Diana wasn't, and everything Diana was - larger than life, photogenic, extravagantly emotive, overestimating her own importance and incapable of seeing the role for what it really needed to be . . . Meghan wants to emulate. She doesn't get it, either - and it's particularly silly on her given she's married to the sixth in line - at least Diana could legitimatey have supposed that her rank as Princess of Wales gave some legitimacy to her sense of I Am Destiny!

I keep wondering why the BRF keeps it getting wrong. They probaby thank God on bended knee every morning that William married Catherine.

I do hope Eugenie is pregnant because she's HUGE. Here she is with her husband Jack in Notting Hill.

Tiara Time...pick your favorite. I like the sapphire ones myself.

Worth the price of admission:

[quote]Clearly Meghan is one horny slut who desperately wishes one of us virile Muslim men on Snapchat was there with her right now so that we could pillage her stink holes with our enormous meat scuds.

R225 - "after all I have done for this fucking family"

This quote of Diana's never got the attention it deserved. So telling, I absolutely love it. Ugh, beware of people who trot out that "after all I've done" line.

R234, looks like muffin-top to me. And of course, being naturally wide-hipped.

R213. The nice thing is, with Kate we can look forward to future hairdos as she ages. It's great that she has thick, full, wavy hair that will do anything.

Diana with Princess Margaret's daughter, Lady Sarah Chatto (née Armstrong Jones).

And why exactly would Meg not have had implants? She’s flat-chested, not the best look. And she’s had other things. Implants can be very uncomfortable. I have them for medical reasons.

William in uniform when he had some hair.

Of course Meghan had breast implants. It’s obvious in photos. It’s not a moral failing or bad behavior.

In regard to breastfeeding, it may or may not have affected her ability to. And whether she can or not, she may not want to. It’s demanding and inconvenient. If she chooses not to, it’s not a moral failing, either (although it’s indisputably better for the baby).

A fanciful photo of Princess Margaret taken by her husband Earl Snowdon in 1969.

Margaret at the Vatican. The royal ladies don't go all out anymore when they visit the Pope now.

R194 She is lovely on her own, but not as stunning as her mother, Caroline, was at that age. Charlotte's features are heavier, less refined.

Caroline is one of the few children of celebrities whose beauty, in her own way, equalled that of her mother, Grace.

Sorry to be OT, carry on~

Photos of the Queen in various poses.

I am reading, or flipping through, the recent book on Princess Margaret. Originally it was titled "Ma'am Darling," but the copy I bought is called "99 Glimpses of Princess Margaret." Why the hell did they change that fabulous title? Was a UK/US publishing thing?

Anyway, it's amusing I guess, but strange in that it's really just anecdote after anecdote highlighting what a difficult, unpleasant person Margaret was. Someone who NEVER would have been tolerated but for her position. Kind of depressing, in way.

R214, well, I'm small-chested and do think it's the best look, so there's that ....

As far as Meghan goes, I only know her from her Harry days onwards so thought the big boob thing wouldn't suit her brand of woke urban gentrified yoginess. I didn't realize she had previously tried to be a sexy starlet.

She was much heavier in the white tank top photos.

There’s a photo of her with small breasts where she’s bending over in a white bikini bottom. I think the smaller ones are quite sexy. To her credit, she didn’t go overboard with the size and she looks good with the smaller and larger size, IMO.

When women go overboard with the big implants, it’s VERY easy to spill over (tee hee) into looking matronly. Ivanka Trump is a good example. She is tall and slender but she looks like a pigeon, with the tiny head and large bosom. (Melania has that problem, too, but her normal-sized head balances things out.)

Meghan had the good sense to choose a good size for hers.

Speaking of boobs, Kate in that amazing 70's re-wear the other night had possibly the best foundation garment / bra that I've seen her in.

It made her ooze femininity, and sex appeal. At times her usual bras give her a fembot look.

R243 How do you know she had implants? All I see is that when she was younger, she had much bigger tits. They may have been implants or she may have naturally been big busted. It’s impossible to tell.

And, implants or natural, when she went smaller she would have had to have her chest reconstructed because of the excess skin. 90% of the time this involves cutting and moving the nipple - which makes future breast feeding impossible.

No one has said anything about moral failings in relation to this, so take the stick out of your extra wide menopausal ass.

R235- Thank you for this! I love the turquoise on the left (is it turquoise?) So delicate.

Re : Ma'am Darling- it's fabulous, isn't it? Margaret was such a monster. The Crown has really done a lot to humanise her and Tony Armstrong Jones more than they deserve. Made them look so sexy when in reality they were petulant snobs, really. There's a portion in the book about Picasso purported crush on her- and the QM!!!!!! Hilarious. There's also an 'imagined' history of Margaret had she married Peter Townsend and lived an unremarkable life. Great writing

*Picasso's crush

Will the Sussex IG feature something like this for Father's Day?

r234- Gotta say Eugenie and Jack seem very well watched and lowkey. He seems smitten. Good for her and Im sure our girl Fergie must be thrilled. If only Bea should be so lucky. Watch out, Bea. Don't feel pressured.

R257, Have we discussed Jack on DL? Would he still be working? Agree he seems very well-suited for his role in the BRF and with Eugenie.

Jack works for Clooney's Tequila company, R258. Old aristocratic family. Not sure if he's Mr Moneybags but i think the combination is a good thing in this case. He's also cute in an extremely nerdy way.. Gabriella's husband is the hottest catch though, hands down. He puts Harry and William to shame. Lucky Ella! She seems quite nice, considering she's Princess Michael of Kunt's daughter!

One of the reasons I love Eugenie is because she’s built like a regular woman. I guess I don’t see her as huge. Just heavier than Kate.

The photos linked by R174 do show Meghan’s starlet try to hard days with bigger tits. Braless so you can see nipples no less. So now I’m convinced she did get those gross implants UNLESS she was just wearing chicken cutlet-like inserts complete with fake nipples, just for the photo shoots. Many actresses use them as opposed to getting implants. If Meghan had huge tits during downtime such as on vacations and such then it’s probably implants. Doria doesn’t have huge tits and Meghan is build very much like her.

Something is afoot; the super privacy of the birth, Doria hightails it out of London after only one week, no one living at Frogmore, rumors that the couple are living separately, suddenly announcing a much longer maternity leave than planned, and a TTC appearance in which the couple no longer look to be in love and barely interact. Harry's face is telling and looks like the rest of the RF are also closing ranks.

- DM comment

The question is- is Africa a soft exile a la Duke and Duchess of Windsor? If so, it would be impressive to watch her and H make a success out of it, purely in PR terms. It can be done.

Are they really likely to take an infant to Africa?

Umm..why not? It's not like they ll live in the wilderness with no access to the best luxuries and medical facilities at their disposal? Quite the opposite And South Africa is the name bandied about the most. Jo'burg is very cosmpolitan.

idt south africa is where you want to stick around longterm, it's kinda messy

[quote] As someone said so succinctly on the previous thread,

LIES. No one has said anything succinctly in any of these threads, ever.

Ok, r267. You're being strange.

"Meghan Markle 'much different' from Diana - 'Don't play games with us,' says expert"

Will and Kate returning from Cumbria and the kids are waiting for them at the gate. Too bad we can't see the children very much.

Going back to Diana and the Morton book, my memory is that before she collaborated with Morton she knew the Squidgy tape was in the possession of whichever newspaper it was that ultimately released it. It was said that the BRF had arranged for it to be on hold, and were holding it over her to try to improve her behaviour. Being Diana, she did the opposite of what they wanted. I always thought she worked with Morton to make sure her side of the story (wronged bride, etc) was out, presented exactly as she wanted it, before those tapes were released and made her look like the bad guy. So that people would say, Oh, no wonder she strayed, he'd been cheating on her from the beginning.

I'm also not at all sure that was true. It was said that Charles "fell in love with Diana, like everyone else did, on the Australian tour" when William was a baby. Now that is probably gilding the lily, but it looked to me as though he really did go through a period of trying to make the marriage work. He may well have had keepsakes from Camilla, but it seemed unlikely he was actively pursuing her, or his other "adviser" Lady Dale Tryon (who has been discussed surprisingly little in these threads), during the early years of the marriage. Anyway, I might be naive about him, but I'm pretty sure I'm right in paragraph 1.

Kate probably knows (and is probably the only person who does) how much Diana's behaviour with the book and the Panorama interview killed William, who was old enough for himself and all his school friends to understand exactly what was going on. Though she's probably not the type to talk out of turn anyway, it would be more prominent in her mind than in the average wife's how much she would wound him personally if she did likewise.

Agree, r157, r207, r216.

I'm loathe to conclude this for want of the suspense to go on, but, the DoS simply doesn't have (and, at 37 she now should at least be developing) the good judgment, self-awareness, depth and substance to manage her stardom. And no amount of seasoned PR staff can save her from herself. She knows better.

Her hungry, obvious attention seeking is all the more glaring because she possessed already attributes that commanded attention: pretty, biracial, American, an elite education. And, then to set her cap on, and snag, QE II's grandson as a divorced, older, "D" list actor with no moves left? That right there was game, set and match.

Her thirst for attention clouded and distorted her thinking to the point where she may have told herself that the BRF needs her more than she needs them and that slumming, "A" List Celebrity Show Folk Trash Baby Shower was exhibit "A" of her misjudgments.

And if the likes of Amal Clooney and Gayle King really had her best interests at heart instead of wanting their own cheap photo op, they would have talked her out of that shower. When the DOS is downgraded socially and financially in a divorce let's see if they invite her to be around as an "extra" woman at their social events or drop her like a hot, fat , potato.

That's why everybody here who has already commented that she should have kept as low a profile as possible, not set a foot wrong, quietly and competently performed her public duties are correct.

If she would have done that she would have disarmed her detractors, increased curiosity about her and would be enjoying a celebrity not in competition with The Duchess of Cambridge, but in positive CONTRAST to her.

If she had any depth or true sophistication, the DoS, both instinctively and rationally would have behaved in accordance with the above.

She has only herself to blame for the PR pickle she's in now.

her using the clinton pr lady is still such a weird choice

Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyon, future Queen Consort.

Posters who have stated that Meghan's face is fuller NOW than at Archie's photo call are clearly BLIND. Her face WAS huge. It was still swollen at the Trooping but not as much as before in this pic.

Compare the babies.

MM’s makeup was so weird at TTC. It looked like half her eye makeup had been wiped off haphazardly. Maybe she had been crying?

I’m not a fan of her smoky eye (for day, anyway), but when your face is swollen, you need some definition.

Absolutely R271. William was shattered by the Panorama interview, it has been reported and his obsessive need for control on his personal life is a function of both Di and Charles's public mudslinging that was very hard on him when he was in school. He was teased mercilessly. In fact the period before she died, William was incredibly miffed with her for her PR games in the press - well, as miffed as a teenager can be. All in all, Kate has been advised very well by whoever her well wishers- Carole possibly. It's a bonus that she knows William inside out having known him for so long. People tease her for being Waity but William really did do the right thing by waiting. I may be wrong and i hope Im not biased because i have no great beef with MM, Im ok with her- but i think Kate really does love her egg-headed husband. A gold digger she might be, but she's earned her stripes- she really always seems to have his best interests at heart and seems to adore him (MARY!) Could the same be said for Philip, the king of all these gold-digging married-ins? Possibly not.

Delia, you are spot on, as usual. MM's "friends" Amal and Serena should take a break from self aggrandisement and give their friend some solid advice on handling A list celebrityhood.

R249 - Meghan aims for whatever works at any particular point in time. Sort of like a (very) poor man's version of Jane Fonda: at one time she was the sexy bombshell her French director husband admired; then she was the activist when she was married to the activist; then she Make Friends with your Wrinkles Jane in her forties, but swifty turned to plastic surgery when the well-preserved forties turned into the caved in sixties; and then got breast implants when she was married to Ted Turner who liked a busty blonde.

Fonda never had an authentic bone in her body, and neither does Meghan. The difference, however, is that Fonda could really act, she was gifted. Meghan can't act her way out of a paper bag, including as HRH Why I've Always Been a Feminist Humanitarian Activist!

On the subject of Kanga up above, she is included in this little piece from Town & Country.

"6 Rumoured Prince Charles Affairs and Flings"

Meghan is beginning to morph into a squat, plain peasant boy. Why do her features look so masculine all of a sudden?

Della, it's even later than that. Meghan is 38 and her birthday is in August: she's nearly 39. She was 37 when she married Harry, turned 38 that August, and is about to be 39. Next year she'll be close to 40. If she hasn't figured it out by now, she isn't going to. And she'll probably be pregnant again this time next year, which will put a nice stop to the "Lots of time in Africa" Plan.

R271 - Very astute. Especially your last paragraph. It probably goes a long way to explain why Kate never talked about William during their famous break-up and why that likely endeared her so quickly to the BRF. They demand loyalty. They saw someone who had the opportunity to profit at their expense and rejected it. I know her mother gets a lot of credit for giving her (Kate) good advice during the break-up, but you're presenting an aspect of her own knowledge of William and how that affected her judgment.

Diana's stardom worked not just due to her charisma (although she was borderline/ bipolar perhaps) but because of the time being ripe for such a celebrity from the BRF. It was the 1980s big spending, celebration of excess, before today's mindset where such things are generally frowned upon. There wasn't social media or online presence back then, so paps and printed news were the ways in which you become famous. Now, you really have to hustle for it as the Kardashians prove, you have to hustle and sell yourself as a brand to gain those kind of fame. The sort of fame where you're not really doing anything other than being yourself. Not acting, not selling stuff (officially), not singing, etc....

So what Meghan is finding out is that, yeah it's expensive to hire PR team to forcefully shove her/ Harry's brand down people's throats. We're savvier consumers now unlike in the 1980s or even 1990s where people could get away lying more. Now we go online and find shit about celebs. Oh you never had plastic surgery? Well who the fuck was that in your old photos with friends? So on and so forth. Diana was pretty much given a free pass because we didn't have the resources we now have to dig into her misdeeds such as stalking her boyfriends' wives or courting media while publicly proclaiming the opposite.

[quote] MM's "friends" Amal and Serena should take a break from self aggrandisement and give their friend some solid advice on handling A list celebrityhood.

And, r278, they'd start off by telling her that her celebrity in not of a kind as they have. But, of course, the DoS should have known herself that her playground changed when she married into the BRF and then, so do your friends.

Prince Hall brutally, but correctly and mercifully swift, dropped Falstaff; an instructive example here.

R276 You can see from those comparison photos that Archie will be the one with the biggest honker.

this

R282 Meghan comes across as self-conscious and self-aware but not in normal way, rather she only wants us to see her not as herself but someone else she's acting. Very phony. Also people often say they're in their 30s for example, but they don't realize that they're actually in their 4th decade of life, as in they've lived 30 years but are now officially marching towards 40 years of life. If a person doesn't know or isn't comfortable with who they are by age 40, chances are they're never going to be totally at ease.

ooops. Prince Hall? Monty Hall?

Prince Hal.

I've often thought that MM displays some signs of Aspergers.

R284, Can you elaborate on "Diana was pretty much given a free pass because we didn't have the resources we now have to dig into her misdeeds such as stalking her boyfriends' wives or courting media while publicly proclaiming the opposite." What is the boyfriend-wives-stalking story?

Charles dated Babssss???? Holy Moley!!

R287 Entertaining for sure, but whose military is that? The colors are wrong for the Brits, and besides they don't goosestep.

R290, I've known plenty of people with Asperger's (just stroll through an IT Department). She's nothing like them, and it's unfair to them to suggest that she is.

R275 - I have to disagree. Her eyes aren't nearly as squinty and swollen in that photo as at TTC.

Euge looks like a spitting image of the QM. And the only reason Meghan's face looked fuller at TTC is because she tied it up in such a tight and unforgiving bun.

Why would a tight bun make her face fat and eyes puff up?

(1) MM had been crying at TTC.

(2) She had abandoned eyeliner at exactly the wrong moment.

(3) Her hair and hat were terrible.

[quote] If she hasn't figured it out by now, she isn't going to. And she'll probably be pregnant again this time next year, which will put a nice stop to the "Lots of time in Africa" Plan.

r282, agree the door is closing on her figuring it out.

And this sounds crazy, but seriously, even if they both are, right now to each other, talking divorce, they might as well hop in the sack and create another pregnancy. A wise person once said to me. "My advice is to have no children. But if you're going to have one child, you may as well have two and then stop."

And then PH should ( and I risk summoning the anti-vasectomy fraus her at the DL by posting this) get a vasectomy and she get a tubal ligation. Why not guarantee no pesky half-siblings?

R299 - why would Harry get a vasectomy? If he marries for the second time, his wife may be younger and want to have her own children.

Hi Y'all. Sorry to be the CB Troll today but I beseech you all to please go and have a gander at Celebitchy and Kaiser's gleeful article about Rose's marriage (supposedly) ending. They will keep this story alive BY HOOK OR BY CROOK. But the comments are the cherry on the cake. Look it, I have no illusions about how obsessive we are about our tiaras and gold diggers here, but COME ON. Thos fraus are frothing at the mouth with glee about this!! They're supposed to be the woke ones!!!!!!!! Why do all fraus hate each other?

On June 17th, we should see hats galore at the Order of The Garter ceremony at Windsor.

right on cue, r300.

If Harry had any sense, he'd have his mind made-up that he doesn't want more than two children who have the same mother.

Tough toenails, younger would-be 2nd wife. Find a different breeder, Been there . Done that.

R291 Diana phone stalked her married lovers and their wives, Oliver Hoare, Will Carling, James Gilbey are just few that come to mind. I read that after Dr. Khan broke up with her she stalked him too for a while. Diana was crazy, her stalking of Hoare was particularly creepy and phone records of it was brushed under the rug because she was the mother of the future king.

R302 - we'll get silly feather hats like this too!

R303 - your post is confusing but anyway... If Harry was smart, he would only have ONE child with Sparkle. Archie is the male heir to the Dukedom of Sussex so that's out of the way. He would be wise to cut her loose now and in a few years marry someone a little more stable and less fame whore-ish so he can have more children if he so chooses.

R302 that photo of Queen Letizia shows that she's not afraid of using botox but bitch has to stop or her too-high eyebrows will be in Kylie Minogue mode.

Edward was born to dress up in silly feather hats! He does so love a costume, doesn't he?

R306, I agree. Why compound the mistake?

But of course, he’ll double down because he won’t want to admit he made one.

Color coordination at the Garter - Sophie, Kate and Camilla all apparently got the same memo.

It will be interesting to see if Kate will take part in the procession with her new Victoria order from the Queen or stay with the other royal ladies and wear a pretty hat. I believe it's just Garter recipients who wear the black robes and hats. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

New pic of Archie on Sussex Royal IG and he has light blue eyes and dark hair! He looks beautiful.

It's fake r312. Nothing on the official account

That's a remarkably short skirt on Kate for such an event, R310. I guess it was a long time ago, but if MM wore that (prior to the pregnancy) it would surely have attracted criticism.

I wonder when SussexRoyal is going to post about Grenfell, what with it being the anniversary of the tragedy yesterday.

It was a fake account that posted a picture of a German mum's baby.

Didn't she make a whole cookbook for the tragedy? Only for the associated mosque to obviously be terror related.

Wouldn't be surprised if she never mentions that whole event ever again, to avoid that mistake from ever being brought up again.

That pic at r310 makes me feel sorry for the Duchess of Sussex because I think the Sussex marriage is temporal; I give it two or three years, tops

Post-divorce, once she sees a pic like that, it'll be like a dagger. True, she'll make herself feel better by telling herself that she's glad she's out of it; that she knows the work and effort that results in a pic like that and considers herself well rid of that, but still, she'll have a deep, relentless certainty that her grasp at the brass ring of position and placement in the BRF wasn't strong and savvy enough.

I know: MARTY!

( I'm not a gay male, among whom the "Mary!" exclamation is used. So that's why I use MARTY!)

R310 is a beautiful, lush image. Why sorry for Meg? She loathes these people, the tradition, the country. Everyone will be relieved when she decamps.

Meg and Harry want to travel a lot on royal tours and as long as they can keep doing that, I don't think she'll divorce him. Before Archie goes to school, I can see them touring a lot. Those on here who are praying for a divorce will be disappointed.

'Didn't she make a whole cookbook for the tragedy? Only for the associated mosque to obviously be terror related.'

What's this supposed to mean? Grenfel wasn't linked to a mosque. It wasn't arson, idiot.

r320, there is a difference between "praying" for a divorce and predicting a divorce. I'm predicting a divorce.

I never counted myself among the Meghan haters. To the contrary. I, at first, found her compelling and someone to root for. She's a biracial, pretty, ambitious, divorced, older, "D" list actor, who at 35 years old, with not many moves left staring at oblivion Hollywood style, set her cap on PH and snagged him.

That's noteworthy and deserves attention. I took it as a matter of course that she saw an opportunity, seized it and climbed her way into a different limelight and there is not a damn thing wrong with that. Indeed, her climbing is hardly worth noting in its obviousness. It's fodder for her haters, but, not with me. Nothing succeeds like excess, er, I mean success, and I give the DoS her due.

It's post marriage where she's faltering. Her ambition has exceeded her grasp. I kept waiting for her to turn it around, but I agree with the poster upthread. If she hasn't by now, she ain't gonna.

One thing to adore about Princess Margaret - her penchant for singing show tunes.

How I wish some recordings or videos existed. Same of Diana dancing.

Nothing posted at Sussex Royal on the Grenfell anniversary or the fact that the cookbook has made a half million pounds for the victims. Out of sight, out of mind? Has Duchess Yoko moved on like her behavior pattern of her life?

R186 Most British women have either mannish or horse faces.

Omg, the size of the veil on the wannabe Queen of the Commonwealth's wedding dress!

It looks a LOT bigger than it did on the telly.

Crazy. I don't dislike it, but you can smell the intention behind it.

Oh dear R325, where do you live?

Honest question.

I think that a part of the dislike of Sparkle comes from her constant laser like attraction to any camera within range.

You rarely see pictures of any members of the RF where they are looking for or directly at the cameras. (Yes, I know there are a few.). But there are soooo many of Sparkle. Add to that the smug look that she frequently flashes at the camera is guaranteed to raise the hackles of many who see those photographs.

Again, not something you associate with the public face of members of the RF.

Given Sparkle's background, she has to have examined, no, studied pictures of the RF, so she would know this.

It's fair, then, to conclude that Sparkle's behavior toward the camera is deliberate and not an infrequent accident.

She doesn't care.

That veil is so embarrassing for a divorced woman marrying again

R322. I appreciate your insight Della. I was giving you a hard time a few threads back for not trashing Markle but I appreciate your measured response. She is very fascinating. Do you think the rumours of alcohol issues-drugs, pharmaceutical or otherwise are a factor in her mania or psyche or does she strike you as just using recreationally or at all?

I agree. The silence on Grenfall is deafening and sad! Didn’t she have a run in with the chef who actually developed he recipes? I’m west coast and I do not put a lot of emphasis on class or manners but damn Megs is such a classless hood rat at times! I’d be considered POC btw. Not racist.

R327 Katie Hopkins is a typical racist, masculine British woman.

Meghan will never see another tiara again, mark my words. If you think you can’t be a princess without a tiara, look to. Monaco where the Princess Consort/first lady of the land steadfastly refuses to don one.

R332 Honestly, Hopkins is not your typical British woman. Far from it.

Can't stand her.

This is my favorite balcony moment from the TTC. Markle thinks she sees a chance and tries to approach Her Majesty. Anne instantly steps between them, blocking her. The facial expressions are priceless.

Yes, ALL British women LOOK like Katie Hopkins and THINK like Katie Hopkins.

Does that mean that ALL American woman LOOK like Meghan Markle and THINK like Meghan Markle?

Are you fucking serious? No wonder I've had you blocked for ages.

You Really ARE TOO DUMB to post here.

Someone upthread/last thread wanted a montage of MM giving the stink eye to Kate....here's a few.

And a video of the chilling stares.

[quote] Is it weird that between the professional actress and the college sweetheart of the Heir, who never worked in her life- KATE is the better actress? Watching her on that kids' show yesterday- she is natural and so unassuming and I imagine there's a ton of pressure on her behind the scene what with competing with the Sussexes, Will's cheating and to prove all's well- but she is really doing the English Rose act so well! How?

I learned this the day of Louis's christening. She deserves an Oscar. Her husband was cheating on her during her pregnancy and she was able to pull off the "everything is PERFECT" act at the christening. It was very interesting that she looked at the baby the ENTIRE time and barely looked at William. She was trying a little too hard and seem a little retarded with the constant rictus grinning at the baby. But I sure wouldn't have been able to that off. And she hasn't stopped acting since the christening. She's good. Really, really good

R336 Most British women are homely especially British actresses. The Royal Monaco Family is more attractive than the Royal British Family.

I wouldn't be able to stop staring and being absorbed in the delight that is Louis, either, Rictus Grin Troll.

R337 & R338 - she's not much of an actress, is she? LOL. Thanks for posting.

Those huge brown puffs below Meg's eyes are disconcerting in R337 and R338 's links.

I hope the william cheating rumours aren't true but he does comes across as a humourless jerk. I can see him being deliberately cruel and cold to kate and others.

R326, I think Meghan's veil was beautiful but absurdly long.

Princess Anne could plot football defensive schematics -- nice block on the American, your highness. Very smooth.

Who wore it better?

[quote] She was branded moody but the Sunday Mirror can reveal she was feeling seasick from riding in a horse-drawn carriage.

R347 - is neither an option?

That veil's length was just fucking ridiculous, downright cringeworthy.

R347 , Meghan was criticized for the "chains" motif of that dress, but Beckham's scarf thing is ugly.

R348 , Kate didn't look moody at all (she looked almost euphoric), but maybe that was the explanation Haz gave Meg when she complained about Kate not making eye contact or chatting with her.

"The thing about monarchy is that it's close to a joke on its own if you look just turn the kaliedoscope slightly. So it really can't afford to let more jokes in."

R233 Great comment (the whole thing), really perceptive. The BRF is truly an anachronism. And they know it. They know how fragile the foundations of their "we live in the midst of the modern west and yet we still somehow manage to convince the UK population to be mostly perfectly fine with funding our extravagantly luxurious lifestyles due solely to the vagina from which we emerged."

And I say this as neither a republican nor a monarchist but as a conflicted citizen (also a busy citizen who mostly doesn't have enough time to truly examine the issue of monarchy and whether or not I support its continued existence).

One the one hand I understand the control freakery exerted throughout history on heirs and who they married. I also understand that control freakery can have unintended consequences (Diana, cough) and that narratives can morph and change. Waity Katey (the nickname was cruel but not wholly undeserved - what would she have been/done if William had not married her?) has become the Duchess of Sussex. Measured, warm, at ease in her own skin, great with children, a loving wife and mother. And as far as I can see she is genuinely these things. That decision on William's part, to marry a girl many thought lazy and utterly lacking in human ambition (beyond spending most of the prime decade of her youth in a holding pattern waiting on a prince's proposal), has turned out to be one of the best a royal has made for a generation (possibly generations).

You're right about Camilla, too. She has, since marrying him, pretty much performed faultlessly in her role.

Anyway, just wanted to say I loved your post. The BRF must be aware, on some level, of how inherently absurd their whole existence is. They can't really afford to loosen their grip or forgo ruthless and ongoing PR, even as crystal balls continue to not exist and human beings, royal or not, can never truly know the future effects of their current actions.

Victoria Beckham. Now there's someone the DoS would do well to be photographed next to more often (and you know the ambitious, avaricious, royal arse-licking Beckhams would be more than down). Unsmiling, stiff and posed, anti-chic. Victoria could only make Meg look good.

R300 - Agree. Meghan's fertility clock is running out. Harry should wrap that rabbit. He can make other babies with his next wife.

Just got here, everybody seen the big splashy article about Rose in the DM? Wtf is going on? Weird, this whole thing. It's certainly possible she dallied with William, but something is missing from the story. Could there be another reason for being "cast out" of the Cambridge circle?

Toward the end:

"One royal source insisted the whole saga was simply 'malicious gossip' from someone 'who appears to have an agenda to discredit William and Kate'."

Yes, yes it is malicious gossip. Now I wonder who would sanction something like that. Hmm.

Also:

- I like the Kate-with-bangs photo, above. She just has 70s shampoo commercial hair, why not go with it? The bangs do look good on her in that shot.

- Meg totally had breast implants in the past. It would be odd, given her career and history, if she hadn't had them done (and I mean odd without the photo/video proof that she used to be much more buxom). At one point or another, she had them out and not all women who have non-beachball sized implants taken out need reconstructive surgery, esp. if they're young and fit.

- not sure how others are seeing Meghan as more puffy at TTC than post-birth photocall. Someone else mentioned fresh fillers and that's what I'm leaning towards. She has fillers placed in her upper cheeks anyway (and they look good). You can see the difference in facial volume between older photos of her, where her cheek fullness is lower in the face, and more recent (before/around the time she met Haz) ones. The chipmunk-y, squint-eyed look she had at TTC is classic 'fresh fillers face' and her look at the Archie thing was classic 'post-partum, every part of me is wider than it used to be' face.

- re: Haz and more babies. He should choose not to have more kids with the almost inevitable second wife. But he almost certainly will do it anyway. If Archie is his only kid with Megs (doubtful, i think odds are she'll be pg within the next ~8 months), that sets up some possible family drama in the next generation if his heir is his only mixed race/half American child and his other children are all lily white sons-and-daughters-of-a-proper-English-posho who may be raised in a much more traditional way than their older sib (after Dad inevitably realizes he fucked up bad with Meg and swings wildly in the other direction, because he's an irredeemable idiot).

- R355 oooooooh I'm gonna get myself a slice of cake and a beer (because I'm classy) and read that now.

Who is the village idiot going on about having nipples removed and replaced during breast augmentation surgery. Implants are put in through small incisions in the armpit of under the breast. Nipples are not touched during these surgeries.. You are thinking of undergoina a mastectomy, where nipples are removed.

Of course women can breastfeed after getting implants - they still have mammary tissue that produces milk. After mastectomy, all mammary tissue is removed, so no breast feeding.

Damnit where is the edit button?

Argh. OK, lastly: Am I the only one who think that, even for MM, spreading false rumours about the Cambridge marriage would be insanely stupid? That's a much bigger deal than the baby shower or the dumb People story or any of it. She's reckless in the extreme, and seems to have no thought to her husband, her marriage, or her child if she's actually behind the Rose rumours. OK reading the article now.

MM definitely had breast implants. The question is why did she remove them?

R358 I'm not the one you're replying to but another poster(s?) on here was talking about a breast lift, post implant removal. And breast lifts usually do require the removal of the nipple. Oh god.

R314, It doesn't look like a gyno exam, so it's not the equivalent of a Meg dress.

Not finished this DM article yet but... WHOA. I'll be back to post here in about 15 mins but in the meantime shame on this forum if no one in the interim picks up what the DM is putting down in the first part. Damn. Just...damn. Read the article, this is juicy af. And has been rumoured since before the Cholmondewhatever marriage.

Also: this does stink of PR. So far, my gossip spidey senses smell PR from Rose's side. CHeck out the tone. Poor Rose. Lonely Rose. Abandoned Rose. Also check out who's *actually* getting shaded. It ain't William, not yet anyway. There is a victim narrative with Rose being built here. Someone above said it: something's missing if the story so far is "Will cheated on Kate with this chinless rich lady" - it's more than that y'alls. It may not even be that at all.

Sheesh, nipples are NOT removed during a breast lift surgery.

From the Mayo Clinic: Breast-feeding is a consideration as well. Although breast-feeding is usually possible after a breast lift — since the nipples aren't separated from the underlying breast tissue — some women might have difficulty producing enough milk.

So many going on about how Harry will dump Meghan. Harry is a loser. A semi-drunk whose stupidity is legendary. No British women of any race saw Harry as marriage material. He is not even that wealthy and doesn't seem to be the outright owner of any property. All he has are some of his mother's jewels.

If he does marry again, he needs to marry money - perhaps Chloe Green would be a good choice (once she detaches herself from the handsome biracial felon). Her father is a billionaire.

Harry doesn't like nipples-- it has something to do with his mother-- so Meghan had them removed.

From the DM: "One royal source insisted the whole saga was simply 'malicious gossip' from someone 'who appears to have an agenda to discredit William and Kate."

My goodness! Cui bono? It certainly sounds like the work of a former Hillary Clinton operative.

Latham does it so well too. No-one had a clue. haha

Latham is paid by, in the end, QEII. Everything—EVERYTHING she puts out is approved by BP. Leaks may be coming from MM but they are not from Sarah.

The (repeated) lie about nipples being removed during breast lifts/reductions/augmentation is just continued proof that many of the Meghan haters aka The Duchess of Sussex Clit Flea Brigade, are ridiculously stupid and unexposed.

These same people said that a 'normal' woman could be up and about, back to their pre-labor routine, a day after a C-Section. Just...stupid.

[quote] not all women who have non-beachball sized implants taken out need reconstructive surgery, esp. if they're young and fit

Right. All that leftover skin that was just left hanging there. Moron.

[quote] Who is the village idiot going on about having nipples removed and replaced during breast augmentation surgery

Can’t you read, cunt? Not during augmentation, during the uplift after the silicon bags are removed.

Why do fraus need to pretend to be experts in things they know nothing about? And why are you whores even here? This is a site for gay men, not bored grandmothers with shite taste in jewellery . Just go the fuck away.

And, for the last time, here is a quote from a cosmetic surgery site:

[quote] As a general rule, we do not recommend patients who want to breastfeed in the future have this procedure. A woman’s ability to breastfeed relies on the breast gland being connected to the nipple by the breast ducts, as the nipple is often moved during surgery it is more than likely that these ducts are cut and therefore no longer connected to the nipple.

[quote] It is highly recommend that you finish your family before having this operation for both this reason and also to avoid any future revision surgery. If you become pregnant after having this procedure, there is a chance that your breasts will enlarge and stretch the skin again taking you back to a drooped appearance.

Direct from professionals, not clueless old women who have no business being here.

To be fair if you have a breast reduction involving several cup sizes the nipple is cut away and moved. It winds up under the above tissue like it's fitted into a vest as my surgeon explained. It does give the appearance of being removed. It may be where the misinformation is coming from.

Gotta love the Mail: “her and Kate were seated”. At least it wasn’t “her and Kate were sat”, I suppose.

She didn’t have a breast reduction, she had her implants removed. Geez.

R374, removing implants (or any other breast-related surgery, save some types of mastectomy) doesn't mean the nipples are removed. You don't have proof of any surgical procedures she's had other than you say so.

'Geez' yourself, dear.

R371 is a foul-mouthed expert on non existent plastic surgeries where nipples are cut out and re-attached.

Again, a quote from the Mayo Clinic regarding breast lifts:

Breast-feeding is a consideration as well. Although breast-feeding is usually possible after a breast lift — since the nipples aren't separated from the underlying breast tissue — some women might have difficulty producing enough milk.

See you old codger: NIPPLES AREN'T SEPARATED FROM THE BREAST TISSUE.

Alas, you probably don't understand the significance of that statement and will continue to rant that Meghan Markle had her nipples cut out and therefore is unable to breast feed her doll-baby.

Meg sure ain't losing any weight like breast feeders do. Poor sad sack thing.

Gay message board arguing over breast reductions and milk production.

R373, I thought the same (as if I needed proof that an illiterate could write for the tabloids, edit via MS Word, and get published by the Daily Mail).

If the standards of "journalism" were any lower we could farm it out to Poland and use Google translator. No, that wouldn't work, their English is probably too good for the DM.

R369 - You don't know that.

Smeg's money is fungible. It comes from Buckingham Palace and the Duchy of Cornwall. Do you suppose HRH personally audits Sarah Lantham's posts?

Thank you, R378!

Can we please get back to the palace intrigue involving Rose Hanbury?

That's the oddest thing you've seen in these recent threads, R378?

How about the overt homophobia on this gay board? One of the most recent gems is that gay men can't understand fidelity and the ways infidelity affects romantic relationships.

R380, um, yes they do. Having worked for a giant megalopolis company I can tell you they micromanage. Beyond even what you can imagine.

Poor Rose. She's not speaking out, so she must know that silence is golden. Her marriage is obviously collapsing, but if the Cambridges played a role then why invite her (sans husband) to the dinner? Who's going after Rose and what do they gain by it?

Does her playboy husband want a divorce on the cheap?

R383, sorry, but don't believe the interns and/or stans don't run with any piece of dogmeat they can find. Meg's followers aren't the toffs.

R381, exactly! The tragedy that is the Cambridges' marriage will make our heads spin when it all breaks.

Poor Kate will have to graduate to something stronger than nicotine before it's all over. Sadly, I don't see her becoming Queen Consort; William would be wise to keep her but he's a self-involved asshole.

I have to add at r383. Organizations are incredibly detailed about every fucking thing put out in public. If even a small rogue post is put there, they will gather the army to hunt it down.

One wonders if that explains why the entire BRF hates Smeg? And that even Haz is turning on her?

I wonder if Houghton Hall is getting more visitors this year.

[quote] But three days a week during the summer, the paying public are allowed to roam around the 450-acres of parkland surrounding the house and into some of the ornate rooms of the Palladian property, built for the first Prime Minister Robert Walpole, an ancestor of David's.

[quote] At 11am today, the first trickle of weekend tourists will begin to file into the sweeping grounds of Houghton Hall, many intent on catching the outdoor exhibition of Henry Moore sculptures on show.

R387, If Trump can't find leaks in the U.S. Gov't with all the resources at his disposal, I'm curious to know how all-powerful the information-gathering system of the BRF is? It's not a James Bond movie and even if it were, MI6 isn't at their beck and call. Leakers leak.

Harry and Meghan invited to Balmoral to celebrate Meghan's birthday.

^the article is nauseating.

Someone do stop Meg from eating the entire cake before HRH can have a slice.

François-Marie Banier, in his prime, with YSL.

Yay! At R370 and R371 my earlier post is derided from two opposite ends of the spectrum (Megstan vs Meghatah). Let me clarify:

1. Stop conflating breast lifts, breast reductions, and breast augmentations - all are different procedures, and even within a single procedures there are different techniques that can be used.

2. Removal of breast implants does not always, or even usually, necessitate surgical reconstruction of the breast due to "hanging skin." This is not opinion, it is fact.

3. Breast aug. does not require removal of the nipple. Breast reduction always requires removal of the nipple (if it doesn't, it's a breast lift, and a certain kind of lift at that). Breast lift sometimes requires the removal of the nipple and the determining factor here is the size of the original breasts and the factor of lift required. Bigger original breasts and/or more lift requires = removal of nipple (anchor surgery, Google it). Smaller original breasts and lesser lift required = no removal of nipple (donut lift, Google it).

4. I do not like Meghan Markle. I do, however, recognize that my not liking Meghan Markle says nothing about the state of her breasts, whether surgically enhanced, lifted, or not. At one point she appeared to have not-too-huge implants. It is not an outrage to suggest this and would indeed be expected of someone in her position at that time (00s). She no longer appears to have implants. I assume she had them removed. I also assume, due to her age and the non-insane size of the implants, that she did not have a surgical lift afterwards. All of these assumptions are based on photos, videos and Occam's (tit related gossip) Razor.

5. I don't *actually* know what MM has done to her breasts, and neither does anyone else here. I will also remind the stan (R370) that if she did have implants, you are not then legally required to stop stanning and start hating. Having a cosmetic procedure is not generally accepted as demonizing factor. There is really no need for you vociferous defense on this point. If you presented me with 100% proof Meg's breasts were 100% natural and always were, I would still dislike her, because my dislike is not based on whether or not she has ever undergone cosmetic procedures. R371 - guess what I think MM sucks, too. But you...girl/guy...you need to take a very deep breath. And then another and another.

6. Brace yourselves for super controversial and world-shaking statement of truth: IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MATTER WHAT MEGHAN MARKLE HAS OR HAS NOT DONE TO HER TITS. Meghan's tits and what's happened to them have no bearing on Meghan's character.

Peace, you insane fuckers.

Hmmm, the Rose story seems to have bumped the turn around stories down a bit. Think those had almost 10k comments? Has this become the go to for her PR?

I thought someone on here had mentioned William suing the press recently - was it about this story line?

Can we have 1 hour free from talk about tits? Gay board and all.

The piece in The Sun is hilarious. Brings to mind the fished for Christmas invite for Doria. Has the word adore been redefined and I missed it?

R394, Banier looks a bit like a young Jeremy Irons in that photo.

I'm curious what's wrong with Archie. Why just the feet? What's wrong with him?

R399, If Meghan and Harry were constantly posting pictures of Archie to Instagram, the public would lose interest. The next time he appears in public, the tabloids will be all over it, because it'll be the first time we've seen him since he was a newborn.

R384 Rose would not have been invited sans husband to the State dinner. Her husband is the Lord Great Chamberlain - one of the premier Lords of State in support of the Monarch. As such he would always be invited to state dinners (he possibly also has a role in organising them but I could be wrong there). Rose would be included as his wife.

Where people sit at these events is strictly driven by protocol which is why husbands and wives aren’t seated together, for example, and why Rose being seated away from Kate means nothing more than her being a fair way below Kate in the seating pecking order.

Archie's coloring on his photo looked like vitiligo.

The Sun article does sound like a fishing expedition. I don't like to bang on about "PR" but there does seem to be a pattern here of wishful "exclusives" about things that never seem to happen.

R395 is proof that when wrong, some will double-down rather than admit they're full of shit. The nipple is not removed...again, not removed during most breast surgeries (outside some types of mastectomy). The nipple and areola can be repositioned (without removal) based on the most popular types of incision: lollipop or anchor.

If your cosmetic surgeon wants to remove your nipple/areola (and it's not a mastectomy), RUN! I say this as someone that has gone to consultations for a breast reduction.

Promise I won't talk about tits anymore.

Can someone explain why the Queen made Meghan have her nipples removed? Thanks

She thought Smeg had already too much influence over her great-grandchild and didn't want the milk contaminated?

The DM article almost reads as though it is outing the husband. Rose has been discussed as a beard.

Is the husband prominent enough for the DM to go after him this way?

And now for the post-Meghan's-tits discussion of that crunchy, juicy DM article that you absolute gossip failures have unsurprisingly (this is my disappointed mother face) failed to parse with any imagination at all.

Did any of you even read the damned article? All this talk of Latham being behind it blah blah blah and you know who actually gets shaded the most? David Rocksavage. I have seen the DM publish 5 sentence articles before. They did not need to go on an extended (basically the whole article) and seemingly inexplicable tangent regarding David R's background, history and general dodgy-ness.

Here are some quotes:

"Only adding to Rose's distress is the frequent absence of her husband..."

"He is said to be spending more and more time with his own friends in Paris – including a controversial convicted criminal called Francois-Marie Banier"

"People are worried about her..." (Rose)

"It has caused her great distress..."

"She...has tried to put a brave face on it"

"...she has a husband who is away more than he is present. It has been a lonely time."

This is NOT MM PR, you guys. This is Rose Hanbury PR.

More quotes about the shadiness of Rocksavage and his "friend" in Paris.

"Now The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the Marquess [David] is relying on his close friend Banier, 71, for support. The pair have been close for more than 30 years."

"They are a professional couple and best male friends too..."

"David stays at Francois-Marie's beautiful town house in Paris or on his estate in the south of France..."

"They're always there for each other in times of trouble and Francois-Marie knows that David needs him right now."

"The Marquess continued to stay in Paris for long weekends and other breaks, even when Banier's house was raided by fraud investigators as part of a money-laundering enquiry."

[tangent within a tangent from the DM going into extra shadiness, criminal charges etc. of this Banier character/lifelong 'friend' of the Marquess]

"David was hugely supportive to Francois-Marie throughout this time. He was always there for him, like he always is."

"Banier successfully sued some of his tormentors for libel over the claims, and his star witness was David Rocksavage, who said he had been present at the early 1980s photoshoot and that Madame Castaing had simply lost her balance and fallen."

This is about as close as a tabloid in 2019 gets to outing someone, you guys. And I am not commenting on whether or not DR is gay. I know the rumours are longstanding. I don't know if they're true. But it is very clear what's being implied from the DM here.

So. This article. My take is that the beginning is Rose PR. Then we get salacious details on David's past, including barely veiled insinuations about his decades long relationship with another man. That could also be Rose PR, especially if my current theory, that the Cholmondewhathtefuck marriage is either imploding or on the verge of it, is true. The final part is the "on the record" statements from the Marquess and his wife:

"There is no foundation to any of the tabloid articles that have appeared. There is nothing else to say whatsoever."

Standard.

And general comments, this time treating the couple as a single unit (rather than the earlier "Rose is so lonely and abandoned by him" tone) who are being unfairly gossiped about and persecuted and are helpless to respond.

This is classic Daily Mail. They don't take anyone's side except their own. They only care about selling papers. So we can get competing narratives like this (that not so coincidentally just ratchet up the drama even as they appear to be bemoaning it - good trick) in a single article. Poor Rose abandoned by her probably-criminal and totally gay husband for his slimy French bf.

Okay, wait...the story out now is the leak re: William's Wandering Willy came from Rose's brother?!

Oh, this is bad...really, really bad.

R407, Rose might work as a beard for the 1st child (and maybe the Marquess was deluding himself). The problem is that he knocked her up again with twins. Even for bearding that's stupid.

Retract my statement about this board being populated by gossip failures. R407 gets it.

And now the question is: how do Kate and William fit into this? because they do. Kate has shunned Rose, that's not made up. There are documented absences at birthdays, horse trials etc., where previously the women were tight.

So wtf is going on?

My instinct says Rose is behind the tabloid drama and trying to portray herself as victim of a lying, homosexual husband and a mean-girl wife-to-the-future-King.

Did Rose try something with William and Kate got wind of it? We know straight men are fucking stupid (sorry, straight men) and will open to door to a weeping "my husband is so meannnn!" neighbour in a sexy outfit without realizing what's happening (i.e. an attempt at seduction). That's enough to warrant total social excommunication, imo.

R391. Will Markle accept the queen's invitation or say she's still on maternity leave?

[quote]Did any of you even read the damned article?

I did, but no time to write right now.

What will this week bring?

R410, the twins are 9 year old boys (IVF?). The youngest is a 3 year old girl. Many bearded couples have more than 1 child, look at John Travolta, for example. I do not think this was intended as a short arrangement.

What a huge mess, now internationally known.

R411 and R407 and maybe R410,

How much is he worth? Who has he made as enemies over the years? Who are his friends? Or hers, without him?

R411, you're too kind and/or trusting. If Rose offered up the goods, William likely took the bait. His wife's shown she's not going anywhere and she's got kids to keep her occupied. He's an asshole and I've said so for a while.

I knock Kate a lot (Coalmining Catherine, Saint Catherine of the Yacht) but I admire her for how she's (finally) gotten it together; she is THE model for a future Queen Consort (if William keeps her). William the Bald couldn't have gotten a more dutiful wife and mother to his children but he doesn't seem to appreciate her adequately.

I think she's been sorely used and the Rose story is true.

R412, Meghan won't miss if for the world. I can imagine the wistful photographs of her walking through the heather, Archie snuggled close as she peers into his little face, while daintily tucking hair behind her ear.

I mean, the shit practically writes itself but honestly: would you turn down an invite for Balmoral? I wouldn't.

The thing with people at that level of the social spectrum - and the Cholmondeleys have been at the peak for generations - is that the terms gay, straight, heterosexual or homosexual don’t really come into it.

The best description of this was from Jilly Cooper - an astute observer of the aristocracy: “marry well and produce an heir at all costs, then do what you like”.

Rose walked into the state dinner with Sarah Vine, a columnist for the Daily Mail—they’re even photographed together.

Less than a week later, the Daily Mail splashes a piece at the top of the page that not-so-subtly outs Rose’s husband’s 30 year long relationship with a French man. The piece includes a line about Rose’s brother getting drunk and spilling about how lonely she is.

Rose is clearly sending a message to someone, but I don’t think it’s the Cambridges...is it her husband? Maybe her husband or his BF are the ones who spread the story about the Rose/William affair and this is her telling them to shut up?

I agree with the point that Rose was ostracized, which means something did happen with William and Kate and Rose and Mr. Rocksavage. I don’t think it’s clear what that was.

And just as Rose was there as the spouse of the Lord Great Chamberlain, Sarah Vine was not there in her capacity as a Daily Mail journalist (as if!) but as the wife of Michael Gove, Secretary of State for the Environment, some other things that I can’t remember and leadership contender to replace Theresa May.

Rather than looking directly at Rocksavage, delving into the layers of intrigue surrounding him may bear more fruit.

Hmmm...we are thinking along similar lines, R419. The poor kids, just as well it is the summer holidays.

No, R419, it doesn't make sense for the Marquess to out his wife first. If he's happy in his own relationship and she's getting hers elsewhere, there's no need for an outing from either side.

Someone close to Rose (her brother?) spilled the beans and now it's deflection time. Even if Rocksavage is gay, so what? This affair saga has taken a very nasty turn.

Is it just me or has Thomas Markle gone awfully quiet recently? He used to overshare with the media at the drop of a hat. I wonder the BRF have paid him off.

And just to weave an already tangled web even more so (R420 here again) - Sarah Vine wrote the “How Kate went from drab to fab” article in the Mail earlier this week. So if she’s team Rose she’s also Team Kate and definitely not Team Sparkle, unless she’s very astute at playing her cards right.

Love this stuff on a rainy Sunday morning.

I posted the wrong link at r412. Vanity Fair has been covering this in its half-assed, post-Dominick Dunne manner all the way through. This is the first article:

Maybe William and Kate are taking Lord Chumley's side in some upcoming divorce battle, and that's what the "casting out" is about? And the gossip about Will and Kate is revenge from Rose's side?

I dunno.

Fuck I wish Dominick Dunne was still alive to write about this - all of it.

As for Sarah Vine and Rose Hanbury/Chumlee, Rose used to work for Michael Gove (Sarah's husband) as a researcher when he was education secretary. So not only was Rose walking with Sarah Vine at the state dinner, there's every chance they're friendly/friends.

R423 This doesn't make sense as affair deflection. All of the info on David Rocksavage etc. Why? More importantly, who? Who does it serve to deflect from a rumoured William-Rose affair to go after the husband of the woman said to be involved? You can deflect from affair rumours, if that's all that's going on, by simply flat out and repeatedly denying it, and then allowing it to die naturally in the tabloid churn cycle.

No. There's too much emotion behind it (the details on David Rocksavage, the even subtler implications of possible criminal conduct on his part - the DM goes out of it's way, in a story supposedly about a Prince William affair scandal, to note the court testimony of D. Rocksavage in saying he was witness to a supposed assault by his "friend" and that he saw it and it was all a big accident).

What if Rose knows he was lying about that? That's good leverage. The article certainly could be seen as a warning. Is she positioning herself for a generous divorce settlement? Threatening her husband? I think she's behind the DM article (even if it's through sources, her brother, etc.). The tone is sympathetic to her even as it goes in on the husband.

R427 Yeah, I'm wondering about that too. Is Rose aware her marriage is over and she's about to be cast out of it (her marriage) and her social circle? Is this desperation we're seeing in the current DM story? Is she flailing?

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Maybe it is about money in a divorce settlement. How did the story finish? An ominous line about the public visiting their home (reminding us that the house is open to the public for financial reasons). The earlier Sun story also portrayed their leaving situation as bleak, with them living in a small flat in the private space of the house (poor things, lol). That combined with the alluded-to financial crimes / perjury / weirdness...

"Fuck I wish Dominick Dunne was still alive to write about this - all of it."

Yes, yes and more yes. He would have the perfect take.

"I like climbers. They interest me" - my favorite DD quote.

Indeed R430. All of a sudden they need to appear impoverished? Woe to them that they must have tours of the home and spend time alone in the country? How many pounds does that garner in a settlement?

Rose walked in on David and his lover. "WHY?" she screeches. "you cant suck it the way he can you chinless cunt!" David hissed back.

In tears, Rose runs to William and Kate's house. While Kate is busy getting paped at Waitrose, Rose knocks on the door. William invites Rose in. She tells Will of the whole sorted incident. "Dont feel bad Rose, you sorta have a chin!" William softy whispered as he unzipped his pants. "Lets see what all the fuss is about, now shall we?

As Rose gets down on her knees, Kate opens the door. "WILLIAM! ROSE! HOW COULD YOU!" Kate shoves Will down, and pummels whats left of Rose's chin. Rose some how is able to escape, and runs to her brother house. She tells him what just happened. He hands her a bag of ice, as her jaw begins to swell. "Don't worry Rose, I wont tell anyone about this, you can keep your chin up now love, its so swollen now its almost like you have one."

R428, the alleged outing of Rocksavage is plain unnecessary and cruel. If Rose is behind the original Wandering Willy rumor (which it points to originating from her circle, directly or indirectly), she doesn't come smelling like a, you know...

His outing doesn't make sense. She likely knew the score before marrying or shortly afterwards and settled into being a Marchioness. She's provided heirs for her husband and is still young; why upset the apple cart?

R430, to be fair, running such large estates costs serious money. I doubt they're feeding hand to mouth.

Eh, 4/10, R433, nice try!

There was that timing that was just after the salad tossing vid stories tho.

Would a Rose by any other name (such as lavender?) still smell as sweet? Or might it, in fact, smell like revenge in the Daily Mail, instead?

This is the BRF thread STOP DERAILING and start a new thread.

I swear I remember reading somewhere that David was involved with (engaged to?) Rose's sister before he got together with Rose. I also think I read Rose was pregnant when they got married. I just chalked it up to aristos being weird like that but now I have a different theory. If all of that is true, things didn't work out with the sister because David is gay. Rose got knocked up by some dude who isn't socially acceptable. So they go to David and say he can have his heir and his beard if he'll marry Rose and Rose gets a socially acceptable husband and a legitimate child with the titles and everything that goes with it. How Will and Kate fit into it all, I don't know. It could be that everyone in their circle knows the arrangement is finally falling apart and they just want to distance themselves from all of it.

[quote] "One royal source insisted the whole saga was simply 'malicious gossip' from someone 'who appears to have an agenda to discredit William and Kate'."

The tabloids printed the same types of things about Charles, Diana and camilla. And we all know the papers were lying. To quote Charles friends and biographer, "charles and Mrs parker bowles are simply nothing more than good friends"

Did William cheat? Who knows. But i wouldn’t put this in the same category as Charles/Camilla/Diana. People knew Charles was in love with Camilla before he even met Diana.

I feel pretty safe in saying Kate’s going to be around for a long time.

Interestingly, Celebitchy mentioned the Rose is a beard speculation on Friday. I find it hard to believe Kaiser came up with that all be herself. So someone is churning up some PR.

Kate and William fit in because...drum roll... William's Willy wandered.

I see Kate and Rocksavage as the injured parties here; the adulterers should take their knocks and not deflect.

R439, the selfishness that Charles exhibited re: Camilla, seems to have manifested in William. He can't do better than Kate (or I don't think he can) but they'll keep replastering the cracks in their relationship; I expect at least one more Cambridge baby/paycheck.

[quote] Maybe it is about money in a divorce settlement. How did the story finish? An ominous line about the public visiting their home (reminding us that the house is open to the public for financial reasons). The earlier Sun story also portrayed their leaving situation as bleak, with them living in a small flat in the private space of the house (poor things, lol). That combined with the alluded-to financial crimes / perjury / weirdness...

As usual, you don't know what you are talking about. Almost all rich aristocratic families open their homes a few days a year. It's part of some scheme to lower their property taxes. If they open the house they get some deal on their taxes. And almost every single one of these families do not live in the entire house. They live in a section that has been converted into living quarters (an apartment). It would cost a fortune to heat and cool these places and upgrade the electrical/plumbing systems

The Queen and many of her family members have their own apartments at Windsor Castle and Buckingham Palace.

R441 How is Rocksavage an injured party when he abandoned his wife to be with his long term boyfriend? If Will did cheat then the only innocent person here is Kate. And it's messed up because she's being painted as the bitch in all of this for casting Rose out.

[442] I’m not talking about the truth of the matter (which you expressed) but rather the way the DM framed this fact, as if poor Rose was living a sad lonely life of penury.

Even for the DM, the last two lines of their story are overdramatic as hell: “At 11am today, the first trickle of weekend tourists will begin to file into the sweeping grounds of Houghton Hall, many intent on catching the outdoor exhibition of Henry Moore sculptures on show. But if they stole a glance up at the impressive, stately grandeur of the hall itself, it would betray no inkling of the turmoil within.”

The part about Kate banishing/breaking up with Rose as a friend seems to point directly to husbandly misbehavior on William’s part. Especially because Kate seems not have a fiery bone in her too thin body. She is blandness itself, so if she got royally PO’d, enough to publicly kick a marchioness to the curb, it’s all about sex. Remember too this story really got going back with that weird Richard Kay DM article praising Saint Kate obviously commissioned by William. This most recent press stuff about David Rocksavage/shady business deal/long term “friends” strikes me as collateral damage. Stuff that comes tumbling out when reporters really start to dig around a marriage with an unconventional foundation. It will be Interesting to see what the Sunday papers have lined up...

The whispering that Rose is a beard for Rocksavage has been around since their marriage was announced - it's not new. By some tellings he barely even hid his preference for men, hence all the cheeky "friends were surprised" (re: marriage and babies) comments at the time and now that he's part of this current tabloid story.

It seems eminently believable that there was/is a bearding arrangement between Rose and David. He gets the legitimate heirs and a posh wife, she gets babies/motherhood and a posh husband.

Again, though, the fly in that ointment is the obvious emotion behind this story. Someone is trying to *hurt* Rocksavage. Who else other than Rose would all those "poor, abandoned Rose, her husband leaves her alone to gallivant around Europe with his best male friend of 30 years" have even come from? Who benefits from that narrative other than Rose? It honestly reads like positioning before an announcement of divorce or separation. And if it is, it sound like she *didn't* know he was gay/bi/whatever and that the marriage was one of posh-person convenience.

If William slept with Rose, man, he TOTALLY fucked up. She sounds messy. She's obviously not above talking to the tabs (or having friends talk to the tabs) and openly trying to portray his wife as the icy bitch for freezing her out.

I don't believe the Chumlee marriage was ever true wuv. But I do think the marriage is over or almost over. Maybe one of the conditions was sleep with who you like but don't get caught or catch feelings? Did she catch feelings for William? Did David find out and tell her it was over? Is she losing it now she knows it IS over and she's going to not just lose her rich husband but her friends and her possible fuckbuddy as well?

I hope William didn't cheat and am not saying he definitely did or anything like that. But if he did? Yeah, total fuckup on his part. And poor Kate. She doesn't deserve this.

[quote] Did William cheat? Who knows. But i wouldn’t put this in the same category as Charles/Camilla/Diana. People knew Charles was in love with Camilla before he even met Diana

William's relationship is different than Charles and Camilla because William didn't have a sexual relationship or date Rose before his marriage, but make no mistake about it, This denying an affair happening or they are anything other than good friends went on for many, many, many years with Charles and Diana. The same thing is going on with William and Rose

I was an adult back then. I remember Charles friends going on television and giving print interviews saying how charles and camilla were never anything more than friends and that their "affair" was a complete tale made up by a deluded, mentally ill Princess Diana.

To quote fatty soames, "merely from Diana's mental illness, and "the advanced stages of paranoia".

From Wikipedia: When Diana first accused the Prince of Wales of adultery with Camilla Parker Bowles, Soames told the BBC that the accusation, and Diana's fear of being slandered by her husband's courtiers, stemmed merely from Diana's mental illness, and "the advanced stages of paranoia".

That is why Diana cooperated with Andrew Morton. And even after the book came out, all his friends told the media she was imagining the whole thing and that no affair was going on. Now we all know and history has PROVEN that they are a bunch of fucking liars

This sentence: And if it is, it sound like she *didn't* know he was gay/bi/whatever and that the marriage was one of posh-person convenience.

Should be: And if it is, it sound like she *didn't* know he was gay/bi/whatever OR that the marriage was one of posh-person convenience.

R443, I don't believe for a second that Rose and Rocksavage didn't have some sort of arrangement, especially as they have two (hopefully) healthy heirs. Even if Rose thought she and her much older husband were 'in lurve 4 eva' and she was blindsided by her husband's alleged abandonment, Rocksavage didn't deserve to be outed like this. The story with the possible French boyfriend is just muddying of the waters.

As for Kate being a 'bitch'...nope! I'd freeze Rose out as well. Anyone thinking Kate was wrong to put the brakes on that friendship (if the rumors are true) is missing the mark; you make a pass at my husband...friendship over. You fuck my husband...friendship over. Since they're not as close as before, sadly, there may be truth to the rumors.

I think the difference between Diana/Charles/Cam and Kate/William/Rose (if William cheated and again I DON'T KNOW IF HE DID) is main the wife, not the husband. Kate Middleton is no Diana, and I mean that as a compliment to Kate, who shows none of Diana's emotional instability. We won't see Kate speaking to authors or doing interviews slamming William or leaking to the DM.

(this is not to discount the number Charles did on his wife. Yes, she was unstable and immature. But, also, yes he and his buds totally gaslighted the hell out of her and made it all worse)

She may be spinning it that way but she was not a child when they married. Him spending so much time away with a man he owned an apartment with was a clue.

Such a mess. I still think the timing vis a vis the salad tossing vid story is hella suspect.

And Rose is exactly the kind of side-piece William would go for, same social circle, knows the rules, married so likely discreet, unlikely to want or expect anything more.

The new re-hashed Rose headline story in the DM this evening is direct payback imo for the front page embarrassing lip-reading analysis of Ha & M on the BP balcony last week. Classic deflection.

Rose has a third nipple-- William saw it by chance when she was sunbathing with Kate. She made a joke about it and he was smitten. It was the start of all the trouble.

I almost wonder if the 'Meg and Haz will spend a few days at Balmoral' story was released to draw attention from this weirdness with the Chumlees.

Speaking of which, I wouldn't expect anything else other than an invite. As much as I would enjoy Meghan being publicly and audibly told to smarten the fuck up by Lizzie herself, she's married to Harry and this family is all about taking any and all drama off the heat. Until (and if) they divorce, I don't imagine we'll see anything other than routine "married to the heir's brother" treatment of Meg by the older/more important royals.

Same thing with TTC. There was no way she would have been left off the "invite" list (which doesn't exist). She's married to harry so she has a right to be there, the end (even if everyone wishes they'd never married, which I do believe is the case).

It's going to be very interesting to see the maneuvering this week from the Palace regarding this Chumlee story. It looked like it was dying away but it's exploded back into the tabloid cycle and I don't think they can ignore the now utterly obvious implication that William cheated on Kate. William is far more important than his brother. He's the heir. His marriage and it's being seen as solid and stable is very, very important to the BRF. If Rose is playing tabloid games, I expect (and for gossip reasons hope) that there is some response. I don't think you can come after the future king's marriage without a response. And given what I believe to be her shading of her husband (so lonely, poor Rose, so abandoned!) it's entirely possible he might be willing to help the Palace with some dirt on his wife (I mean dirt that makes her look bad, not dirt of the yeah she totally banged your boy kind).

R452, Camilla has given every side chick hope...I'm sure Rose felt she'd hit the jackpot and probably has a notebook full of possible royal monograms ready and waiting for the day Kate was tossed aside.

I think Kate's easier to take on than Mama Middleton...she looks like the type to hide razors on the inside of her cheeks.

Katie will never be dumped. Keep dreaming y'all, Wallflower and co.

Well, finally someone got it right. The leaks came from Rose’s family.

Cui bono?

Rose and David married a day after they announced their engagement. She was knocked up. A DNA test on the kids would be interesting.

Agreed R457. The Cambridge marriage is, and this is weird to say, but it's solid almost regardless of whether or not Will cheated. Does anyone on this planet think Kate would ever leave him? I don't. And William would absolutely destroy his standing with the British public if he were to leave her. I bet the Queen herself would tie his ass to a golden chair in a dank Buckingham basement if anyone thought he was going to do anything of the sort.

We'd then get 3 years of "oh, William? he's away" before he reappeared looking thin and jumpy and insisting that his marriage was the solidest thing ever in all the universe.

Barely 300 comments on this story in the DM. Versus 13k comments on the MM story. Nobody cares, unfortunately or fortunately.

Also Rose's brother did NOT leak before this. Only for this clarification. But nice try, Ms latham

R462 The comments are being moderated or there would be a ton more. No comments about it all being Meg's PR which made up the bulk of the comments on the other articles about this.

Well to be fair, r462, it was posted on a Saturday night, which must be a low traffic time for the Daily Mail.

R457, catch up...I've said William couldn't get a better, more dutiful wife than Kate. She's the best Queen Consort he could possibly have but William is a selfish prick that has been coasting on the residual waves of Di-mania (just like Harry) for years. He's an asshole.

Unlike you, I won't wish for the destruction of someone's marriage. I make jokes but Kate has been a good wife and mother by all appearances; she deserves more respect than this.

I agree that I never thought Kate would leave (and still don’t). But I also never thought Kate would put a foot wrong if William ever did cheat (I know she’s human, but...) in a way that exposed an affair to public view. That’s why it would be odd if all this hoopla is about William and Rose having a short affair. It must be messier than that.

R462 - Look, Markle sucks. Most of us here know it. She's the Queen of the Basics in every possible way and she and her ginger dimwit of a husband are endless cringetainment for us all.

But the truth of that doesn't have any bearing on Kate and William. We don't yet know he cheated, but this Chumlee story is a thing, and it doesn't appear to be pulled entirely out of someone's ass.

Am I on drugs or does anyone else think Will being rumoured to cheat will just make Kate look even more saintly, with her impeccable wardrobe and behaviour and her sweet, modest and genuine way with children and the public?

Honestly, I would mail Kate a congrats letter myself if it turned out she was this huge machiavellian manipulator who never loved William and just wanted to be queen/mother to the future monarch. Ha ha ha. Seriously, tho. I'd love it. It's not true, but man... if it was?

/cut to shot of Kate brushing her hair in front of a mirror, smiling evilly at her own reflection

Who's the fairest of them all?

Totally agree R466. I'm having fun speculating but whether or not William cheated, something else/more is going on here.

Rose is too homely. Wills has only ever dated good looking women.

If Kate exiled Rose from the Norfolk social set, she was probably wise. If this leak came from Rose's family, then it is using the Cambridges ruthlessly to make their daughter look both ill done by and desirable by hinting that a higher placed man than her gay husband wanted to fuck her. Rose isn't even pretty - Kate is ten times better looking.

As for the Balmoral invite, the Sussexes were practically the only senior royals NOT seen last summer going off to church with HM. Doubtless they'll show up this summer because not showing up two summers in a row would suddenly :mean somethign". As for Philip "adoring the couple" - that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.

I'm sure they'll make an appearance this year to avoid whispers. But remember when the same papers were trumpeting the stories that HM had invited Dora for Christmas and she was going to stay in the Big House and What A Huge Statement That Was?! And how Doria was going to move to Britain to become Megha's "nanny"?

The thing that doesn't fit the story is that Kate looks so damn happy lately. Either she's the best actress in the world or her happiness with William is the real deal. Their body language together doesn't indicate any tension or stress in their relationship. Body language doesn't lie. Even if the cheating took place a while ago and they moved on, I'd still be pissed at him that this story won't die and the tension would show. I don't see any of that with her.

I re-read that breathless DM article about Rose a second time, this time with the 'Inception' soundtrack playing in the background. What fun!

Looks have nothing to do with cheating. Camilla was never attractive, smoked like a chimney (which Charles hates), and always looked like she needed a bath.

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You hos are grasping at strays...looks don't matter to these people; Camilla is a perfect example of being the right fit for the MAN and not the TITLE. The Norfolk Set likely knows the score on the Cambridges' marriage and are supportive towards one of their own (William). Sure sounds familiar...

When the story originally broke, the piece made a special effort to talk about the ridiculousness of Kate banishing Rose from their circle. The article (nastily) noted that's where Kate showed her middle-class origins: banishing a aristocrat, that's married to the Great Lord Chamberlain of the UK is impossible; Rose will be invited anywhere her husband appeared in his official capacity.

That original story was pretty detailed, even explaining why William dipped out (was a shitty reason but one a guy would use to gain sympathy and access to outside cooch).

I don't think Kate's to blame for exposing this affair by any means; the people at fault are Rose and William. A woman that has just given birth and finds out her husband has been schtupping her good friend isn't putting a 'foot wrong' when she reacts by saying she doesn't want the other woman around.

The blame keeps getting spread around (Meghan, Rose, Rocksavage, now Kate) but one person is being kept squeaky clean: William.

Was there ever such a big to-do each time Philip cheated on the Queen or when Tony Armstrong-Jones and Princess Margaret cheated on each other?

All the BRF needs now is a big royal funeral and the BRF Reality Show is truly unbeatable.

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This thread has been completely overrun by pro-Meghan numpties. They think they are slick, but their extreme immaturity gives them away. I'm looking at you Wallflower. More like fat, dumpy wallower is my guess. Just because your husband cheats doesn't mean actual, loving husbands do the same. Im sorry you had to go through that. It must have been humiliating for you. William didn't cheat, everybody knows that except for the idiots. We've all seen this fake ass BS used over and over again to distract from Meghans constant issues. I guess my only question is, is it a prerequisite for Meghan supporters to be so incurably stupid or is that just your natural inclination? My guess is both.

My take - I think what's happened is that a private matter has become public. Anyone can see from outer space that the Rocksavages' marriage is one of convenience. David is an aged gay man who needed an heir and a hostess at his estate. He was always known to be gay; he has not been outed. Given her age, the nature of her marriage, and the hedonistic incestuous ways of their social set, Rose was always likely to stray. As has been pointed out above, a large number of affairs occur when the wife is pregnant. So PW and Rose had a fling.

This was not exactly top secret but it was not public knowledge. . When the salad tossing rumour started, MM, who clearly has no love for her sister in law or her brother in law, leaked the story to the Sun. I think this did immeasurable harm to the Cambridges, because apart from his drunken dad dancing at some stag do, in their decades long r'ship there has not been any scandal. And by extension, this has harmed the BRF. The Cambs need to be seen as the ideal family, otherwise, they are just like us...and if so, why are we continuing to support them in ultra-luxury?

Unlike Diana, neither William nor Kate are making their private lives our business. It seems that whenever negative stuff is printed about Meghan, the Rose/William story is resurrected.

R480, you're insane and I love it! Your world is clearly crumbling because Alpha William is an Alpha Prick and Kate is poorly treated; basically what you've described for the Sussex marriage actually applies to the Cambridges. Tragic. William cheated and is ready to throw everyone, including his wife, under the bus to protect himself. None should be surprised, though...he's his father's son.

I like the royal Duchesses (even Camilla...she's grown on me) and bag on them all, which denotes maturity you lack. Kate doesn't deserve the treatment she's received; goodness knows she has taken shit for years.

I do think it's cute that though this story doesn't involve Meghan in any way, some of you can't handle what's in front of your eyes and are projecting. Not surprising.

The invitation to Balmoral article is just MM fishing for an invite, much like her article claiming Doria was coming for Christmas, the articles about the Sussexes getting the apartment next to the Cambridges, the article about HM gifting them Adelaide...

My money is that no invitation has been or will be extended. The BRF had to play nice the first year, especially during the pregnancy. But now they have MM's low poll numbers and they know the public is on their side. They practically acted as if she was invisible during the TTC in full view of the whole world.

R483 Dropping in to appreciate Wallflower’s lack of having a life. Hope you are enjoying your weekend spamming this thread, you cheeky Russian bot. Pretty sure no ones taking you seriously but please keep posting, it’s good for a few laughs.

Here's what I don't understand: Rose at the State dinner. The Rose-Will-Kate story has been floating around for a couple months now. Why was she invited? Until now I thought her husband came with her and their invitation had something to do with his position as Lord High Chamberlain (or whatever it is), protocol and all that. But if he's swanning around France and she was solo, I don't get it. If it was to put a damper on the speculation (because the rumors are true) then that's pretty cold. It puts the burden on Kate.

Also, as has been said before, if their marriage is/was rocky, Kate missed her calling as an actress. I don't see any tension between them in the videos.

The DM article touched on it but this business partner/longtime friend/whatever of Rose's husband is sketchy. You remember the scandal about the L'Oreal heir's will several years ago? Liliane Betancourt (sp?) --changed her will shortly before she died and left a huge chunk of it to this guy. Massive court case.

If Rose and husband were splitting up for whatever reason and he was leaving her to hang out with this dodgy French guy, would that be reason enough for Will and Kate to drop them? As in, they were dropping *him* because of his association with the French guy and Rose was collateral damage? Because god forbid you only invite one half of a couple.

Ummm, we're BOTH here not having a life, R485.

No surprise that you're too stupid to notice the irony.

Anne sliding over for the block looks like something from The Windsors.

R486 Only you and your ilk think that the Marquess of Cholmondeley, The Lord Great Chamberlain, wasn’t at the State Dinner. Just because he wasn’t photographed walking in with his wife (nobody walks in or is seated with their spouse at these events) doesn’t mean that he wasn’t there.

I love that Princess Anne block.

Hilarious.

Note Anne's husband, behind her, doesn't bat an eye when Anne pulls her "Oh, no, you don't, bitch" maneuver.

One other tidbit not in that brief clip. There is a point where the rest of the RF are coming onto the balcony and Anne seems to notice that someone is behind her. She actually turns around to see who it is. And it's Eugenie's Jack Brooksbank. He must be OK in Anne's view because she shifts position to make room for him.

I'm just going to block Wallflower and the delusional "William cheated!" trolls. I've never seen such grasping. It's clear some can't handle that the Cambridges are a secure, loving family. They are the antithesis of the Sussex marriage. Note all the intentional derailing from these same people. So transparent you can see it from space.

In the week when the Rose/William/Kate story is reheated in the tabloids, there is a social media post with the Cambridges on a "secret" romantic date after a public appearance and then another casual social media with video of them returning from the "secret" date with their "kiddies" greeting them at the gate. Hmmm.

Stock up on Pimm's bitches. The countdown to the Sussex christening has begun.

Betty and Phil are taking a pass on the event. Make of that what you will.

This for the poster who called Markle Humpty Dumpty.

I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that it's vying for attention on a ledge (balcony) .

Once I figure out how to "stack a sprinkling" of cucumber ribbons and thin stalks of celery, I'll be having a TIG Cup...

Sun kissed afternoons, cocktail in hand, surrounded by nothing but the laughter of your closest mates, an Otis Redding playlist, and the whistling breeze of the wind. I’m talking about perfection, people. The perfection that comes with summertime. Picnics and barbecues, laying out by the pool with friends, and toasting to the season are high on my list. And while I generally opt to whet my whistle with a glass of rosé or crisp Sauvignon Blanc, sometimes the day calls for a cocktail. Cue The TIG Cup. Having a love of all things Brit, I wanted to do a twist on their signature Pimm’s Cup. Using cues from the season, with fresh and vibrant farmers’ market ingredients, this drink will whet your whistle and keep you cool during those long summer days turned nights. This is a guaranteed crowd pleaser, and a nod to the fresh picked flavors of the season. Cheers!

Basically, you build your glass with seasonal farmers market ingredients to create a fresh and herbaceous nod to summer. Any or all of the above listed ingredients are great, but the key pieces are citrus and herbs. If you don’t have grapefruit, lemon works. No radish, no problem.

DIRECTIONS

1. Stack a sprinkling of the cucumber/mint/celery/radish/lime into the glass. Fill glass with ice.

2. In a shaker, add a couple ounces of gin and a splash of the maraschino cherry liqueur.

Don’t be scared on the name of the latter – I personally loathe syrupy sweet drinks but this has just enough of a subtle sweetness that it really acts as more of a back note in the drink. Plus the maraschino cherry of it all reminds me of drinking Shirley temples as a little girl. My, have we grown up.

3. Shake the alcohols hard with ice.

4. Back to your glass – pour a two count of tonic and a three count of soda water.

I don’t gravitate to the taste of tonic so I always go heavier on the soda, but feel free to reverse the measurements of these two, or play around with it to taste.

5. Strain the gin and liqueur mixture into the two glasses, splitting equally. Finish each drink with a twist of the grapefruit over the top.

This is also a great and easy drink to make as a pitcher for friends

Special thanks to Liz of THR&Co for crafting this amazing signature TIG Cup with me on eTalk. Cheers to summer-summer-summer time!

Thanks for the laugh, R495! One thing she and Harry surely have in common is a love of day drinking.

R480, you’re humorless and boring and know nothing about men. Men like to fuck around. Even “actual, loving husbands” (lol).

Thank god the discussion turned from cutting up boobs to the fascinating DM article on the Chumleys. No matter what did or didn’t happen between Wills and Rose, their marrage and his Paris life is great gossip and one of the few reasons it's fun to follow the chinless leisure class.

R445, another reading could be that Kate, who is clever at PR, got wind of marital difficulties at the house of Chum and decided to distance her family from any upcoming scandals that might arise during a messy divorce.

But most likely is that Rose and PW screwed, cause that’s what people do.

R467, this actually matches my picture of Kate. I think what matters to her is being future consort and mother of the future king, plus her own family and living in posh luxury. I can imagine her not caring what William gets up to in his free time, or at least accepting affairs as a given amongst the aristos.

Lol at r494! I'm the Humpty Dumpty troll and that is freaking hilarious! The similarities are uncanny!

Having experienced my husband having a fling with one of my former friends, I would understand completely if Kate wanted to banish Rose from her sight. You manage to forgive your husband, but you never forget or forgive the betrayal of your friend. And if it became public knowledge and people sniggered or pitied me...I don't have the words to express how I'd hate that friend.

R30 Someone else may have responded - but you’re right. That is a Crown, not a tiara. The George IV State Diadem, or the Diamond Diadem. Very impressive piece of bling and one which has passed the test of time with flying colours.

[quote] And the issue is causing such concern in Royal circles that Royal advisers have stepped in to help the Marquess and Marchioness with handling the media, advising them to say nothing, The Mail on Sunday understands.

Why are royal advisors helping the Cholmondeleys manage the media in this situation?

[quote] At Kate's 35th birthday in 2017, Rose and David could be seen standing chatting to the Middleton parents. Rose was nowhere to be seen at the corresponding event this year, according to royal watchers.

[quote] And neither were Kate and William seen at the Houghton International horse trials last month, where Zara Tindall was competing, despite Kate being pictured there the previous year with George and Charlotte.

One way to banish rumours of a feud would be to continue to attend functions together. hmmm.

I enjoy how Teflon the Cambridges appear to be. The feud with the Sussexes is blamed on the Sussexes and the feud with the Cholmondeleys is blamed on the Cholmondeleys. Through it all the Cambridges are garden-building, kiddies-loving, never-put-a-foot-wrong good eggs.

r472, she prolly had her tubes tied.

No Victoria, No Edward7, no Elizabeth2, No George5, but one heavier than George6 wh never thought he would be King.

Future Queen Catherine checks out with an heir and two spares.

She be done.

I wonder how many royal engagements are going to magically appear on the day of the christening. Pretty sure none of them will want to go.

Do let's talk about plain Rose no longer? I'm terribly bored by her. I think we've parsed the Rose character fully, and if I read another analysis of her, I'll not read these posts anymore today! Please continue...

Oh, they'll suck it up and go. It can't be worse than entertaining Trump and the Tramp.

They'll go, but there will be zero warmth shown. Luckily MM will be wearing her trademark dark, heavy attire with leather gloves.

If William was single, would Meg stand a chance? Is she that good?

Defenders of Meg, I present you with the following 2 sentences:

"Plus the maraschino cherry of it all reminds me of drinking Shirley temples as a little girl. My, have we grown up."

Get your coats.

It's not that she was any good, it's that Harry was desperate and slumming with a skeevy crowd. Even British z listers turned her down. William would have never even looked her way. A woman like her would also never have been allowed to marry the heir.

Omg, "not allowed?" Would the Queen or Charles step in? How so? You really don't think William could love Markle?

Damn right someone would step in. Markle was allowed to marry Harry because he is irrelevant. William had to chose better, and he did. The thought of him being interested in someone like her is preposterous. He had her number from day one. She's a clear user and grifter with a sketchy past. She's so obvious about it you can see it from space. She presents as extremely false and contrived. Not to mention she's nothing to look at. I'm actually surprised the Queen allowed this marriage to go forward. I'm betting she deeply regrets it now.

Bald William was clearly unfaithful and the tabloids won't let it go. This is massive. Hilarious to see the Celebitchy, Catherine the Great and Welp Troll trying to deflect by screeching 'but the salad tossing video'.

The Welp Troll has spoken on the One Direction thread, when challenged about whether PR teams post here en masses. Even Lithium couldn't block his paranoid delusions of grandeur and importance:

Um, the PR of a client who wants controlled and minimal discussion of said client on a gay chat board. The tactics you noted are common.

Many of the earlier 1D threads were closed and lots of people stopped participating due to the troll infestation.

* en masse

Block r515 who Is clearly delusional and needs to come up for air out of their mothers basement. You can't fix that kind of stupid. You can always tell the Megbots due to their utter and abject stupidity. If we all block we can get back to our regular adult discussions.

So what does Meg Pumpkin Head have to say this Father's Day? Some maturity toward her own father? Some humility for her husband? These special days can be so broadening

R498 lol at “chinless leisure class”. There’s a phrase I won’t be able to get out of my head. Good one.

Not to be a tin hat or anything, but I find it hard to believe that the Rose Chumley story only got 600 comments on DM.

Pa Markle, Dim, and Darren were spotted deep within the Tower for visiting day and to take part in a group photo shoot to mark their reconciliation! The photo below was posted minutes ago* on Instagram.

*If it hasn’t shown up yet for you, keep waiting. Then wait a little longer. Whatever you do, don’t stop waiting.

R518 is the Stupid Troll. This is the only adjective she knows or uses. Also uses the phrase 'Megastan'. I doubt her IQ has made it into triple figures, with such limited English at her disposal.

That gif at R335 is amazing. Meghan looks super excited then dejected.

Markle's affect is off -- we have seen that too many times now. Rapid blinking, talking to nobody, teeth licking, and especially the lower jaw jutting. Weird for someone so desperate to be photographed.

R523, the clip of Anne blocking MM R335 reminds me of when Jessica Lange snubs Lea Michelle on some red carpet.

I love Anne's no-nonsense approach to life. She doesn't pretend to tolerate the Muggle, she simply cuts her right off, because she's not pussy footing around. Clearly she can't stand M, and makes no bones about it. No way in HELL M can compete with that kind of strength, determination, and experience.

Both Cholmondleys were at State Banquet according to the court circular.

Meghan will be on maternity leave until at least October, so how camera hungry can she be? She will probably try to get out of going to boring, cold Balmoral. Then a two week tour to south Africa, perhaps some winter sun in the Maldives, and I'm sure she'll be pregnant again by this time next year, giving you hungry hoes plenty to feed on.

Giving you hungry, long-handled gardening tools plenty to feed on!

R495 is REAL? I thought it was a parody.

What kind of cocktail recipe uses tonic AND soda? It’s overkill with the garnishes, too.

Radishes? Fucking radishes?

If you drink enough of them you probably won't even notice the radishes.

Gosh this is some scary, neurotic behaviour. Nothing is left to chance with MM.

https://ibb.co/HBRt1dH

Creepier than fuck, R533. The bitch is psychotic, I'm telling you.

Link it properly, please.

R529, I used to spell it 'ho' too, but 'hoe' is the accepted spelling these days, across the board. Check how song lyrics are transcribed.

That may be, R536, but just because it's universally accepted doesn't mean it's correct. However, I need to stop correcting people who spell it "hoe" before I turn into an obnoxious hoe myself. I shall continue to spell it "ho", and everybody else can spell it however they want to.

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I like good old-fashioned, no-nonsense WHORE.

sussexroyal Verified Happy Father’s Day! And wishing a very special first Father’s Day to The Duke of Sussex © SussexRoyal

Here we go, bitches.

MM put up an instagram of Archie, that kid is very fair

Balmoral invite is definite. They are going on August 4th. This won't please the haters. From today's Mail:

The Duchess of Sussex will enjoy a rare royal treat later this summer when she and her infant son enjoy a holiday to Her Majesty’s favourite retreat: Balmoral.

Meghan will mark her 38th birthday on August 4 with the trip, on which she will be joined by her husband and son.

It is understood the trio will be given their own wing of the sprawling property and join the Queen for tea.

Invites to Balmoral are key indicators of social status. Prince William and Kate have previously stayed but this is Meghan’s first invite.

I would bet money this is why HM did not go to Prince Louis' christening. There was no way that she was attending the Sussex baby christening, so she had to set a precedent.

R542, but why is that definite?

New pic, queens and fraus! He has very dark eyes.

It seems like it is more grasping by MM. I'll believe it when I see it.

Check out the new pic of Archie holding Harry's hand at R545!

R544, when the Mail gives actual dates, and says 'will' and doesn't use quotation marks, the info is confirmed. You've got too wrapped up in your fantasy of everyone hating Meghan. It's not the case.

I'm sure Archie is a cute kid, but that is a terrible picture. He looks fearful of the camera.

You guys are slow. We have a new picture at R545. Archie has fair skin and very large dark eyes. He doesn't look like the Cambridge kids at all.

No R548 I don't have fantasies at all. I'm just blasé about all her stunts in the press along similar lines.

Not the cutest infant I've ever seen.

Because, r548, the DM only needs one source to print that info. Guess who the source is?

The christening will be interesting for Camilla's face alone. She looked positively disgusted being in the same carriage as MM.

What's the verdict? Does Archie have the Markle nose?

Kensington Royal used two photos for Father's Day.

William and Louis, and William and Charles.

Click and swipe.

Not a good day for the haters. The new Archie pic has 270k likes in the first 20 minutes of being up. The baby has M's dark eyes and Harry's invisible fair eyebrows. Balmoral is confirmed for Meg's 38th birthday, August 4.

sepia?

R556 still thinks it's a competition.

Kid looks like Thomas Markle. You know- Meghan’s poor, neglected FATHER?

The Kensington pics have been up for 3 hours and only have 200k likes. Meghan and Harry are so much more popular. The bitter bitches here are crying already.

Impossible to say what colouring he has due to the sepia filter.

R560 made me laugh.

This is Tom Markles revenge. His genes are strong. Archie looks like him and Meghan got his fat genes. Happy Father's Day Tom!

Archie is an ugly baby, just like Harry. And I'm here for that!

R540, the first thing I thought was “WHAT HAVE DONE TO ITS EYES?!”

R563, you think Archie looks pure white? I think he looks more like Meghan, with dark eyes and mid toned skin.

Hilarious watching you sad fuckers regrouping, trying to decide exactly how to insult a 5 week old baby.

R564, you made me LOL. Harry is ugly. There was a brief moment when he was looked hot in uniform, but it was fleeting. William had a much longer period of hotness. I think Meghan is attractive now, but was an ugly baby and child.

I could have predicted R567's response. There will be more, so get ready.

R556 doesn't know that we nasty hatas love M's basic instagram (someone called the baby hand and Harry hand, and it's sepia!), and the prospect of them decamping to Balmoral is also fun.

If Arch had Harry's blue Windsor eyes it would be a huge deal and M would have put up a colour pic to show that off (as all the Cambridge sprogs have green or brown eyes). So it's a safe bet that Archie's eyes are brown.

Oh PULLEASE. There were DM links aplenty back in December that DORIA WAS INVITED BY THE QUEEN. OMG!!! Fully sourced and everything. But what happened? Nada. Zip. With MM's PR, pictures or it didn't happen

470k likes and rising! 😂😂😂😂

Cue the Welp Troll : Meghan Buys All Her Likes

Notice a copyright symbol in the baby pic caption. Is that unusual?

Well, they’ve got to go to Balmoral sometime, don’t they? The Queen can’t really avoid it.

Archie's cute.

Does she always post just in time for the US East Coast getting up?

Sepia filter. Her basicness is SO predictable.

R570 is right. The handholding was absolutely predicted. The photo is just so Meghan in every way.

I just want to see more of camilla in general. I thinks she's hilarious. Someone you'd want to be around.

Of course they would have more likes. We haven't seen archies dull face yet and meghan knows what she's doing to get more attention. If there was a never been seen before picture, in black white that KP posted of William with a baby George, Charlotte or Louis then it would've gotten more likes too.

Yeh I think he looks like thomas markle and I love it!

Why on earth would she WANT to spend her birthday with the family that so plainly despises her?

Kate's pics for Father's Day only have 187k likes after four hours. Meghan's has 510k after less than an hour.

Not all babies are cute and Archie is definitely in the "not cute" camp. FWIW I think Louis is a pretty ugly baby too. Those birthday pictures of him with the moss look like a mini swamp thing.

I'm not sure how this could to be seen as an insult TO a 5 week old. Surely he's not reading these comments.

R580, and I was wondering how she feels about spending a holiday in Scotland. She seems more like a city or a sun and fun girl. The Balmoral visit will be an entertaining set piece in the eventual film.

R564, I don’t think Louis is cute, either. Something about his eyebrows and that is all I’ll say, because people here think he’s gorgeous. I don’t.

My something nice is that Awwwchie has the lovely round cranium that Caesarian babies have.

Part 74 is up but please finish this thread first.

Meg and Harry as babies. Archie has Meg's deep set eyes.

Most babies do not look like pampers baby models.

The only cute thing about baby george was his chubbiness, other than that he looked like a mean grumpy baby. Not particularly cute. Charlotte looked like she had downs. I know, harsh but true. You already know what I think of the Portuguese cab driver with sun-in....but like all babies, they are cute when they smile and laugh.

Congrats to the DL Expert who correctly predicted that after Mother Yoko got Baby Jesus' feet, Father Dim would show the hands in black & white. Your instinct was uncanny.

R564, Louis looks like a baby raptor. None of the Cambridge kids were cute as babies and Archie seems pretty average too.

It will be interesting to see how the Megxiteers spin this as he's not in a position any of the reborn dolls are sold in. My guess is that they will go with photoshop.

Nah, she is just basic and predictable like that.

It is not a very nice photo, but maybe there were not many to choose from? Guess no mag wanted to pay big bucks for the huge reveal? Now that we have seen him, they can go away.

Andrew's post has photos with his girls and with his father.

I can't comment on archie since he's drowned in that sepia filter and half his face is covered but he looks a bit scared. His eyes are huge though which is cute. Not like those beady little camb kids eyes lol

Clarence House posted a photo of Charles, William and Harry in uniform.

R461 is right. In fact, HM and Queen Margrethe of Denmark have probably got a reciprocal agreement - you can use my basement for Fredrik and I'll use yours for William - if either of them ever even considers leaving the brilliant wife.

Archie looks like he is has either blonde or red hair, you can tell by his invisible eyebrows, brunette babies have more visible brows. Looks like a very scrawny baby not well fed or chubby

R592, he has lovely big eyes and no eye bags, unlike all Kate's kids and Kate herself.

Two families for Elizabeth and Philip - Charles and Anne vs. Andrew and Edward.

R594 I love Crown Princess Mary, there is a chick who really did the right thing and followed the rules of her new job. Love the way she dresses too. MM should have looked at how Mary adapted to life as a royal plus Mary had to deal with learning a very difficult language unlike MM.

Will with hair wasn't bad I swear.

Side view of two future kings.

Is it just me or does young Archie look a lot different tha when he was first presented? His head seems smaller and his eyes mor deeply set. Do babies shrink?

Babies tend to lose a little weight in the first few days and then gain weight after.

R601, I thought so, too.

Yes, r602, that’s true. Ounces, though. I can’t remember how much they grow in a month. I always think they look weird for a few months. After that, they chunk up and look human.