British Royal Family Gossip: Part 70

Smile Meghan. Trump's Gone Now.

I don't understand, considering every single mean thing that Smugz has done since her Royal wish was granted, how anyone can possibly turn around now and feel pity for her? That's incredible to me. She's simply getting what she deserves, and now you're all wringing your hands and tsk tsk'ng because you think she's being treated badly?

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Kate's hat was lovely from every angle.

^ is that a man or Angela Lansbury?

Meghan's hat didn't quite make the grade. It was better than her outfit.

Louis' balcony debut was a hit!

No, R2, because she looks so pathetic. Fat, frumpy, badly styled, rejected...

Her face is still quite swollen.

I thought I recognized Meghan's hat. It was just embellished with a new decoration.

That look. LOL.

Missing on the Trooping The Colour day: Prince Philip, Princess Anne's daughter Zara Tindall and her family, the Queen's cousin, Princess Alexandra of Kent.

We see you Alpha Will.

The Queen has aged the best in these photos.

Jack Brooksbank attended his first Trooping The Colour with his wife Eugenie and sister-in-law Beatrice. Another first timer was Lady Gabriella Windsor's new husband, Thomas Kingston.

The Queen with young Prince Andrew at a Trooping The Colour in the 60's.

I miss the Queen in side saddle.

Old photos of the Queen Mum as a young child and woman.

I wonder if Archie will wear an outfit like this. Modern Meg may want to dress him in sweat pants or ripped jeans.

No one talks to me so I'll talk to myself then.

I can't resist posting these York outfits again.

Bea was much slimmer then, R22.

I must say Andrew has grew on me . He looked quite dapper on the balcony . Alpha Dick also

I wondered what all the fuss was about so I just watched the "turn around" video. Harry was trying to help her out, avoid any mistakes. But why did she keep turning back? And why the fuck did HE not turn around and stand at attention? He's babbling away to someone.

Shades of Her Majesty one year peevishly muttering, "Stand UP, William!" as he squatted in full regalia, catering to little George. I share the Queen's old-school view of this as unkingly, at least on this occasion. Those were Will's pre-alpha days.

Can one of you lip-readers tell me what Harry says to Meghan AFTER the "turn around"?

The Sussex marriage is in very precarious, fragile state. One need only view the "turn around" video, the short time they've known each other, the rush to marriage, and now a child, to know that.

Now, her decisions are much more difficult than his.

He'll always, of course, have position, such as it is being the grandson of QE II and Diana's son, and money.

For her, It's possible some older hedge-fund billionaire would see marrying the ex-wife of Harry as a positive reflection of his status and position, but, that's far from certain.

And, upon divorce, she won't have Wendi-Deng dough-ray-mee that overcomes her ex-wife status and retains her position in the billionaire club's social set. A wealthy Manhattanite, when discussing whether the Kushners have been run out of Manhattan's elite social scene, said no because there is only one unforgivable sin among the wealthy- poverty.

She needs an older, wiser person who's been around the block a few times to set her straight about the realities of her situation: age, money, child and give her the unvarnished truth. I suppose her mother must do it, but, and I wouldn't be surprised, if , from the get-go, her mother tried to talk her out of marrying Harry, foreseeing this looming disaster.

And, of course, this is all premised on the notion that Harry hasn't already made up his mind that he wants out.

I'll give the DoS credit for this- I remain in entertained suspense.

Harry the Hero. They don’t know that the boy is always petulant. Has the Guardian always been so lovey-dovey with the monarchy? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/09/tea-with-the-trumps-a-red-leicester-nightmare-stewart-lee

I think Harry told her off because he was throwing a strop because he couldn’t get near HM, Charles or William where he thinks he belongs. I’m sure there was already a family meeting, where they discussed the idiots. Ann and Andrew stepped up to the task. They did it beautifully

R22 - Bea was much slimmer than, and the coat and dress are perfectly fine, a lovely colour, appropriate for the wedding . . . and then she had to put on that hat. What woman on the fucking earth would look in the mirror and step outside in that hat, let alone to the most publicised royal wedding of the century to date?! She looks like an alien with antennae.

A lot of aging actresses seem to end up with plastic surgeons (in LA) or wealthy businessmen (in NY) for their final husbands. Maybe Meghan could find someone like that.

Nobody thinks Sparkles is being treated badly R2. On the balcony, Harry told her to turn around just as the national song was starting, and she just didn't give a fuck. Any pity towards her is for her incredible idiocy

I did feel a bit of pity for her after seeing how icy Harry was to her yesterday. But I think it is more the injustice of Harry behaving that way. He was the one who put her up on that balcony. Were it not for him, she never would have been there. Now he is going to act imperious towards her? He liked when she stirred things up until it started to effect him negatively.

Eventually, she will leave. However, I despise Harry just as much, if not more, than her now. I hope that even if she goes, they sideline him and we rarely have to put up with him again. Wishful thinking, but there it is.

R27 - Hi, Della - I'm the poster who keeps pointing out the parallels between the Wales marriage and Harry's: the rush into marriage because "it's time and this is the best thing that's appeared and after all she's very attractive. . .", then the rush into parenthood, and the red flags completely ignored. There were plenty of red flags around Charles and Diana, and there were people who saw them. The mismatch was glaring as soon as you looked beyond Eligible Rich Prince and Beautiful Young Aristocratic English Rose With Royal Family Ties who photographed like a dream. Really, what could go wrong? Apart from the fact that she was emotionally immature, craved constant attention and reassurance, was a natural for centre-stage, hated his country home and country pursuits, and was completely non-intellecutal, whilst he was, even at 32 a stodgy semi-Edwardian, at heart like his mother a country-life man who was, as HM was once described "in the city but not of it", hated pop music, and thought Berlioz and Laurens van der Post the alpah and omega of culture and philosopy. (For the record, I'm a Brahms man myself and can't stand Berlioz.)

A friend of mine believes that no one ever misses the red flags, but either one partner is actually attracted by the red flags because they representa family drama s/he's returning to, or chooses to ignore them because they're too (fillin the blanks) in the grip of what she calls HALT Syndrome (Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired).

I think Harry didn't look beyond, Hot, Exotic, Flattering, Willing, and Not Kate. Meghan didn't look beyond Royal, Rich, Famous, A-List. His immaturity, petulance, lack of any real emotional mooring, family issues, permanent second-rate status economically and in the family, no matter how many IG likes she generates - hey, no biggie. Her narcissism, a probably well hidden desperation at finding herself 35 and still a c-list actress most people never heard of unmarried with no kids and aging out of the ingenue roles she wanted, her refusal to intoduce him to her father, her family issues, her three-year marriage, her lack of any grasp that the UK wasn't the US, etc., etc., etc. . . . Hey, no biggie.

As my sainted Mum used to say, "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."

Lastly, especially when rushed into shortly after marriage, for all the ooohing and ahhhhing over cute babies, the arrival of that child and the transformation of the former romantic object haloed with lust into a portly Mum taken up with the baby tends to require substantial readjustments in marriages. For some men, especially immature ones, it turns out to be impossible to navigate that shift. You never see those knds of issues talked about in the ecstatic press articles and photocalls with a sweet-looking wrapped up infants who do look like a doll only because he's wrapped up completely and asleep.

I wasn't struck by a bit of baby-weight on Meghan, but her face looked not so much fuller, as so puffy that her eyes looked smaller. I think that's what looked outside of expected. Kate also had a fuller face after each baby, but her face never looked puffy like this. I suspect perhaps a bit of postnatal depression and lots of crying.

I think M will be terrified If she hears she is looking like her mother . She spend her whole life to look like a white woman and now her African heritage is back with a vengeance 😂

^^* apologies for the many typos above.

R34

I wonder if Harry had no idea about Meghan reaching out to footballers and the like and that is what finally tipped the scales against her? That had to be a blow to his psyche, particularly as she built him up to be her white knight. He must now know that he was played, that he was a mark.

How interesting is it that the BRF has had quite a few interesting characters and difficult personalities over the years, but the presence of Meghan casts a pall over every event she attends? Hell, they were able to soldier through hosting Trump without looking as depressed as they do when she she is around. What must she be like behind closed doors that they appear to be so ill at ease when she is there?

She's someone who has created a reputation to leak everything, nobody can be fully at ease with someone so untrustworthy. It has to be grating to always be on edge, especially when family time is the rare time they can be themselves

Too bad they didn’t allow Edo and his adorable tot to join Bea on the balcony.

The Queen is pictured with the then Prime Minister of Canada, Pierre Trudeau. He's Justin Trudeau's father.

The Queen having a belly laugh.

Nicely summed up, R34.

I honestly think that if Diana had been the supportive nannying type that Charles so desperately needed and wanted, the diversion of interests could have been dealt with. It's her neediness and spotlight-stealing that doomed that marriage more than anything else.

R37 - Like their father and uncles before them, William and Harry couldn't possible have been unaware that it wasn't their charm, intelligence, warmth, sense of humour, and emotional generosity that made them so appealing to women. Charles probably had frank talks with his sons when they reached their teens about the inevitability of being marks due to their social and economic status. Diana may have persuaded herself she was deeply in love with Charles the Man but in fact she was deeply in love with Charles the Prince of Wales. Her mother once allegedly warned Diana to make sure she was in love with the man and not the prince, and Diana is alleged to have replied merrily, "What's the difference?"

So there's no excuses. It's why William probably waited eight years to propose to Kate, casing the field, and testing her discretion and loyalty. But they met at university and didn't marry till their early thirties. Time, however, was against Harry being able to do the same. He was already in his early thirties when he met Meghan Markle. That she wouldn't have given Harry the time of day if he'd been a 30-something ordinary businessman she met at a cocktail party in Toronto, and in his eagerness to marry like his brother and friends ignored her eagerness within the context of her age, ambition, and third-rate career . . . was a tragic misjudement on his part.

I realize she may be unphotogenic and have tremendous charisma in real life, but the candids of Rose Ch-whatever make me think she would be well-cast as Lady Catherine de Bourgh's sickly daughter in the next adaptation of Pride and Prejudice.

“Diana is alleged to have replied merrily, "What's the difference?"”

I agree with Diana.

Great analysis R34. Agreed with a lot of what you said. To add to what R38 and R39 are saying, yes there have been QUITE a few hustlers and characters that the BRF has encountered- from Fergie, going back to Lord Snowdon(sp?), Margaret's husband and Wallis of course. Lord Snowdon in fact continued to have a warm relationship with the family, despite his royal griftiness. Why is Meghan so quickly on the outs? What in the lord's name DID she do behind the scenes?

Also regarding Diana..there was a long period before the Panorama interview where Charles and Di were not publicly separated but they were squabbling and leaking each others' secrets. How was Diana treated by the BRF in public? Did they pretend to tolerate her better than they're doing with Meghan?

The Thrill is Gone. For those joining this thread (starts at 1:14 minutes).

“her neediness and spotlight-stealing”

Maybe the best partner for her would have been someone extremely laid-back and mellow, with a big heart and a big sense of humor. Someone with the quiet self-confidence to just roll with her drama and indulge her.

Snowdon was horrible to Margaret once the glow of lust faded from their relationship, but he was a talented photographer who made himself useful to the Royal family by using those talents to take some truly iconic images. He developed his own career and was active in charity work. He was also charming and affectionate with HM and the Queen Mum, to the point that they couldn't understand why Margaret was so unhappy with him. Knowing Margaret's own difficult temperament, they blamed her, which wasn't really fair. She WAS difficult, but he was much worse.

R46 - Diana turned out to be wrong. Camilla knew the difference, and catered to the man, not the Prince. Who ended up getting the game right?

While William is furiously scarfing in the Christmas video at r530 on the previous thread, visibly upset Harry turns his head to the side and appears to bark at Meghan. Family events put him on edge.

Agreed, R49. What Diana needed was a warm, supportive older man with pots of money and the time to indulge his pretty, needy young wife. A hot Daddy, basically, who would spoil her rotten and give her half-a-dozen children. Of course, married to such a man, she wouldn't have been exposed to the searing spotlight of fame, which would have contributed to her emotional stability.

Tina Brown posited such a furture for Diana in her bio of the Princess, and said if she had married such a man she would never have been as beautiful, because disappointment and tragedy very much added to her allure, but she would have been content.

The tragedy of Diana and Charles is that they both wanted to be cosseted and fussed over by their spouse: It was two roses desperately looking for a competent gardener.

One other point in Snowdon's favor: He kept his mouth shut. After the divorce from Margaret, Jackie O (in her role as an editor) offered him a huge advance to write a tell-all autobiography, and he refused.

If Harry had spent his 20s developing a serious relationship with a woman, like his brother did, he wouldn't have had to rush down the aisle in his mid-30s. Cressida was clearly using him for publicity, but he should have put more into his relationship with Chelsy Davy. They seemed to genuinely care about each other, and his family like her. A devoted Harry (as opposed to a petulant needy one) might have convinced Chelsy to give Royal life a go.

Snowdon was a narcissistic shite who played the bohemian artist card whilst angling for the advantages a royal marriage would give him. He cheated on Margaret whilst they were going out and I think had a child with the woman he was also seeing at the same time. He was alleged to be quite the stick-man in the sack and had plenty of opportunities to prove it. I think the whole family felt guilty about lining up against her marriage to Townsend and knew perfectly well how difficult Margare could be, but it didn't mean they didn't know perfectly well about Snowdon's infidelities and bisexulity.

R54 - I didn't know Jackie O. had made that offer, and given the glass house she and her children lived in due to JFK's notorious private life, it was rather cynical and disgusting of her to do so.

As for the Diana antics and the PR war the Wales' ende up engaging in, the BRF tolerated everything publicly until the Morton book. That was Diana's Waterloo, as it were, and it was then the Queen called them both in and said, "Divorce. Now." That book made Morton much richer and doomed any hope of Diana remaining in the family. It was misjudgement of titanic proportions.

If the Cambridges and Sussexes are in PR combat, there isn't any question of whose optics took the bell away at the TTC - the Cambridges with their charming brood, Kate looking ravishingly put together and regal in her primose outfit left in the dust the sombre not too happy looking Sussexes, with the Duchess dumpy and funereal in her awful navy blue and leather gloves.

R53 - Well put, the bit about the roses. That's what Camilla understood about Charles. Privately, he wanted to be mothered and mastered.

Chiming in on the previous thread's consensus that Givenchy is her go-to because Audrey Hepburn. She also probably views it as a British choice because of their current head designer. What she needs is a designer/stylist who will look at her and decide how to make her look good rather than doing the middle class aspirational thing of hoping for the glamour to rub off on her.

R34 is very astute.

Chelsy Davy would also have given harry access to serious $$, instead of being dependent those above him to pay his bills and to 'approve'.

How stupid of Me! to dress in somber navy. She has learned nothing yet, she should have been in a lovely summer outfit and hat, like Kate.

I know the consensus is that her face is swollen from being pregnant for 14 months (lol) but to me it looks like she had her eyes done.

I don't see any signs r37. Does anyone?

R48, what strikes me is not any supposed "barking" (seems more like subtle stage direction to me) but the lack of any affection in the way her interacts with her. Maybe they're having a rough patch and he can't hide it as well as she can.

We're essentially in agreement about Snowdon, R56. He was a wretched human being and a relentless social climber who took Margaret for everything she was worth. The Queen no doubt knew about his bisexuality and infidelities, just as she knew about Phillip's infidelities, but Snowdon was charming to her and well-liked by the British people. He didn't embarrass Margaret publicly. Margaret had ample reason to take up with Roddy Llewellyn, but it was HER scandal that broke first, tarnishing her in the public's mind as the adulteress that Snowdon nobly put up with before having no choice but to divorce her. Snowdon's own skeletons didn't come tumbling out of the closet until he was a very old man, and by then nobody cared much.

R48, I don't agree that Harry was necessarily barking at Meghan, but she does look fragile here. If they weren't a rich couple I'd put it down to sleep deprivation, but I guarantee they have a night nanny. Maybe she has postnatal depression.

R55, Harry and Chelsy, married, would've been Andrew and Fergie the sequel.

What makes you say that, R55? I've always understood that Chelsy is an intelligent and stable woman from a very wealthy family. That seems like the opposite of Sarah Ferguson.

[Quote]So there's no excuses. It's why William probably waited eight years to propose to Kate, casing the field, and testing her discretion and loyalty.

Wills was keeping his options open. Until his "options" ran out.

R66 - Not necessarily - Chelsy was a very rich girl in her own right and never would have needed Harry's money and support in the event of a divorce.

[QUOTE] a very wealthy family. That seems like the opposite of Sarah Ferguson.

Sarah’s family weren’t very wealthy but they were a very old and well connected family, part of the country gentry and part of the horse/polo scene. Her parents were descended on both sides from nobility (viscounts and dukes) and she’s also a descendent of Charles II via one of his illegitimate sons- in the same way as Diana and Camilla.

Actually disagree with the Wills "keeping his options open" theory. I mean his early 20s, sure, they broke up a bunch of times and he dicked around a bit. Which 22 year old wants to make a "decent and sensible" choice for posterity? Talk about pressure!!

But what seemed to be me as the turning point was when they broke up in 2007, seemingly for good. Immediately after that I think the DM or the Sun or some such rag offered Kate 5 mil to do a tell-all. She declined. Three months later, she was at Diana's memorial concert sitting in the VIP box and they were back together. I think the fact that she was trustworthy and always had his back, even when they were not together, went a long way with William. She may not have been the 'sexiest' option a la Isabella or Meghan but he knew he needed someone supportive.

The idea that William or Harry had to 'settle' for their spouses is laughable. They both CHOSE their partners out of their volition and yes, there were scores of women who would have happily taken the role. Even famous women, with the right 'understanding' and 'pre conditions' a la Grace Kelly. Harry unfortunately was a poor mark and listened to no one. William did not let his dick decide by virtue of being the heir and is a happier man for it.

MM looks medicated in the Trooping footage.

Very medicated.

Her face also looks as though she’s been crying. And she isn’t wearing much eye makeup at all— she usually wears quite a lot. I wonder if she wiped it off while crying?

The constant turning around like a child on the balcony is just weird. Again, makes me think she’s medicated.

So Chelsy Davy and Sarah Ferguson both came from old, well-established families. I still don't see how that would make Chelsy's marriage to Harry like Andrew's marriage to Fergie.

Re Bea's iconic toilet seat/pretzel hat - it's obvious she showed her dress to Philip Treacy and gave him free rein to design something FABULOUS to go with it. I'm sure neither expected the reaction it received.

If she’s breastfeeding she’s not medicating.

R71 You missed the part where it was either the Charles or even the Queen herself who sent along a message to Kate during that 2007 break that "When the time is right, William will propose." Will did not choose his wife. His family did.

Chelsy Davy's father, though wealthy, allegedly had ties to Robert Mugabe. But she outgrew Harry. She was a party girl who settled down, got her law degree, got a job at a prestigious firm. She and Harry had screaming rows over his cheating. MM made Harry agree to break contact with her, and she did look sad at the wedding.

Another photo of The Queen with a young Prince Andrew at a Trooping The Colour. Princess Marina of Kent finds him amusing.

What I wanted to know was, how was Diana treated in public by the family during her 'leaks' against Charles? At let's say Trooping during the War of the Walses', pre the divorce? Was she treated with more warmth than MM? Markle hasn't even done 1/10th of what Diana did but her outsider status on the balcony could not have been more obvious.

R76 - you either supply some evidence that the Queen or Prince Charles contacted Kate during the breakup OR I'll believe my first thought of your statement: you're full of shit!

The Queen rarely gets involved in her grandchildren's affairs and Charles is a ostrich with his head in the sand as well. William chose his wife and they approved.

R76- Highly doubtful that any such note was sent considering Kate's middle-class background was openly laughed and sneered at in the early days of her engagement and marriage. That included Charles and Camilla, who might be stable and non-crazy but are utter snobs. Also it's common knowledge that after the Diana debacle, the Queen absolutely stayed out of her kids' personal lives. Exhibit A- Harry. If Charles and HM were this interfering with William, you honestly believe they would not have interfered with Harry marrying MM? Harry may be a spare but he is still a senior working royal. This was an important decision and Charles and HM stayed the fuck out of it.

R79 Hard to say, because it was pre-Internet and thus there wasn’t the intense day to day focus that we have now

Chelsy isn't working at the law firm anymore. She quit to start her own jewelry company, which is such a rich girl thing to do.

R80- you stole the words from my mouth. Totally agree

By the time Diana started leaking about Charles, she was mother to the heir and spare and a global superstar. Even if the family wanted to, they couldn't have publicly shunned her. But from what I've read, they weren't overly nice to her in private. She complained bitterly about receiving all this warmth and love from the public, only to sit down to dinner with a bunch of cold, disapproving faces.

R56 Actually I think it was the panorama interview that caused the Queen to say OK, that’s it.

You know, Diana may have gagged at the idea of dating Trump but hey, she would’ve been First Lady now. Take that, Charles! As if the circus couldn’t have gotten any wilder, imagine.

Actually I think I recall reading that she did entertain that fantasy with regard to JFK Jr. So much for that.

Yes, Panorama was the point of no return. She had some plausible deniability with Diana, Her True Story (and denied at first that she had anything to do with it), but it was obvious Panorama was all her. The fact that she filmed the interview in secret at Kensington Palace put the final nail in the marriage's coffin.

Being Diana Kennedy would have been very, very different from being Diana Trump.

I always thought Chelsy had a wanton look about her. I think in the end Harry likes party girls.

R88 I am the “sometimes Meghan has a look similar to Diana” troll. This picture demonstrates what I mean. I have seen that expression on Meghan. Perhaps it resonated with Harry, subliminally.

Not sure if I dreamed it but weren't there some rumblings about Kate and Harry being alarmingly close, in the pre-Meghan days? Or was this just the DM running with it based on their giggly public appearances?

Ha ha Bea’s “iconic toilet seat hat” - Imagine her wearing it and standing next to Meg in the Iconic poo emoji hat.

R90, No he obviously prefers intellectuals on the caliber of himself.

Jesus if I could roll my eyes any harder they'd be on the floor.

R53 A rich older man or perhaps even if the Prince of Wales happened to be a nice, seemingly easygoing guy like Jack Brooksbank appears to be.

I wonder if Meghan is bipolar in addition to having a personality disorder. It might explain her exploits with men and her excessive spending. If so, she could be in a serious postpartum depression.

With her now very round face, she needs a larger, angular hat. Not any kind of round hat.

Poor Di and her look of crazy. And yes, Meghan has a similar look too. Actually no, Meghan's look is less crazy but sometimes in public it's as if her mask slips to reveal that empty vacant look of calculation and slight delusion in her eyes. I'd say Meghan is closer to Angie than Diana. On balance I'd say Meghan is hardly crazy and much much MUCH more stable. The worst thing you can say about her is that she's an actress and with all the le drama that comes with it.

R98**- in short, she's harmless

R76, that's assinine. Between what happened by choosing Princess Margaret's husband and choosing Prince Charles's wife, the firm learned its lesson the HARD way.

William chose Catherine for his own reasons. From this vantage point, the choice looks good on him.

Her hair is straight and dark, as long as no dangling tendrils, looks fine. But it would be fun to see it fashioned into an ornate updo..could be cool. PH was out of line on balcony...he was not facing forward and seemed to be positioned and staring in direction his father, or Queen..he should have the decency to stand beside his wife who just had child, appear supportive and put on happy face for 3 minutes in public. all he has to do is be sweet Harry and it would really help mend image. He’s a husband and father now, can’t scowl with buddy in back of balcony.

R67, only based on my vague memories of Andrew and Fergie being raucous, fun-loving and a bit oafish and of Harry and Chelsy also being partiers. And Chelsy, despite what her background may be, looks like she came straight from the trailer park.

I guess if you come from money there is less to prove in RF...Kate and MM are scrutinized heavily.

r91 I have long been of the opinion the Meghan has been mimicking Diana, she has her expressions, gestures and outfits - it is a shame Royal Dish shut down the Harkle section there was a four page thread with MM copying mostly Diana's clothing. It was creepy. I wouldn't be surprised if her mimickry of Diana, poorly done as it is, triggered something in Harry which attracted him to her. It triggered something in William as well but because he had a different relationship with his mother he saw a big honking Danger sign flashing.

The Diana copying that I remember most was her posing in Africa, in the same outfit and same 'concerned' face. It was so obvious

Can someone explain this picture? Where is it, is she alone there? It's been posted here a few times.

I have a Question about royals saluting/bowing heads while in a carriage procession.

What triggers this? A few bars of God Save the Queen, a regimental flag?

We saw Camilla, Kate, and the Sussexes doing this yesterday, and Kate and Wills were doing this constantly en route from the Abbey to the Palace after their wedding.

It's at Wimbledon. Apparently she pushed her way into the Ralph Lauren corporate box.This may or may not be true.

The picture was at Wimbledon, in one of the areas where all the very aristocratic / rich group is. There's another picture where she's miming having a conversation/laughing, while absolutely nobody is even engaging with her. It's actually quite sad.

I think she was invited through Serena, but somehow got herself over in that area? She later returned to the Serena box.

R76 - And your proof that that ludicrous message was ever sent? The idea that either the Queen or Charles would have promised a middle-class girl that the second in line would eventually propose to her is so off the wall it beggars description. They don't intervene in those relationships. Kate was chosen by William and approved by Charles and the Queen. Approving of the girlfriend isn't the same as "choosing" the wife.

Charles, especially after being pressured into marrying Diana by his father, would never have sent such a message. Wherever you read that or heard it; the source was spouting bullshit.

The Queen would never in a million years have said a thing like that to a girl her grandson was dating. Never.

Thanks, R108 and R109.

Maybe Dimwit is on the verge of his own 'mental health' crisis. If he's being gruff with ME-GAIN in public, in FULL VIEW of the public, media tells us he has no f**** to give about her or a few things in his life.

Look out for possible signs of "acting out" on the Sussex instagram...

Harry is a child himself. He’s no doubt very frustrated with MM acting like a child in the balcony. not to mention an ACTUAL child at home.

Men-children feel a deep rage when asked to take care of others. They have a core belief that the whole world exists to take care of them.

MM is awful, but probably needs some TLC after having a baby. Hopefully they can hire someone to take care of her and baby because Harry’s certainly not going to do it.

In fact he’ll probably make everything more difficult. You see this a lot —men feeling neglected and acting out after a baby’s birth.

MM is totally isolated, and now finds herself the single mother of a newborn and an oafish 14-year-old. No wonder she’s depressed to the point of psychosis— that really is the vibe she’s giving.

Series of Getty Images of poseuse extraordinaire MM at Wimbleton 2016.

You guys are giving Meghan too much credit...the family issues are stemming from a row between the brothers. Meghan, because of her past actions, is the easiest and most plausible scapegoat but the genesis of the rift is not her.

The separation on the balcony said a lot and it looks like William is making people pick sides. The BRF knows the Cambridges are the future and don't want to rock the boat but it will backfire. Harry isn't the only one that has been coddled and received his way at every turn because of their mother's premature death.

I feel terrible for both royal Duchesses because while they may not be friends, they could have been on better terms but with their husbands fighting...not an enviable position.

Memo to Harckle's amazing PR Team:

Shove this photo under Harry's nose as a subtle reminder for next BP "balcony performance."

R115- Perhaps but your assumption precludes one very important point- on his own, William has no reason to be jealous of Harry. or have any beef with him. Touchy, entitled and prickly they both must be, I am sure but without Sussex's PR tactics being the trigger, there is no reason for William to make people 'pick sides'. Historically. the genesis of their issues must predate Meghan, pbviously, but she is very much in the thick of it now along with her Latham brigade. Why would William care if there were no dirty tactics (from both sides I'll warrant) involved in this skirmish?

Regarding the balcony scene, like them or not, Harry and Markle should have standing beside each other--and standing beside Andrew. Those little Phillips and Wessex kids should have been pushed down to the right to stand in front of their parents--not in front of Harry and Markle. The standing formation was wrong. As I stated, Harry and Markle should have been beside Andrew and not shoved in a corner. Harry should not have been made to stand behind his wife so they could even talk or relate to each other in the slightest. Harry and Markle should have been beside each other and little Isla and Savannah Phillips and James Wessex should have been forced to move down. It is not the kids' role to have such a prominent place beside Andrew.

R115 I suspect that poor Archie is going to bear the brunt of the rift between the two brothers - if the chill continues he’s not going to have very many play dates with his cousins.

R115 Archie won't care. He'll be chilling in New York with the Clooney twins and being groomed for his eventual destiny in showbiz/politics

The bipolar thing is interesting, but I’m not sure that shows up in people with personality disorders.

R117, are you an older sibling? I am and married an eldest son. I can tell you from personal experience that I have had moments where I was jealous of my younger sister while growing up. As an older kid, you're expected to be dutiful, a shining example...in a sense, perfect. And, you try your damnedest to be everything your parents want you to be, while wondering what it's like to have fewer restrictions.

On the other hand, my sister had no rules. She could do as she pleased behavior wise and it was smiled off as her being the baby. But, she still complains that I always got what I asked for, was trusted to participate in family decisions, etc.

Same with my husband and his brother: the responsibilities placed on my husband to this day would never be allocated to my BIL, even though he's now married...there are times during family meetings you could cut the tension with a knife. There's resentment on both sides.

William expected Harry to remain the proverbial fuck up, living as a stark contrast to his remarkably photogenic brood. Except, Harry settled down and became a father, which necessitated separate camps, making the narrative harder to control. Meghan has several issues but I truly believe she's being hung out to dry in the nastiest way but it will backfire.

R120 Do you think MM will be allowed to leave with the kid(s) when she decides to make her exit? I read that since they’re in line to the throne it might not be possible to take them out of the country.

R118 The kids are always at the front, that's how it's always been. Meghan was next to Andrew with Harry right behind her. So she had to turn her head to talk to him? Poor thing, how inconvenient!

R119, which is sad because Louis and Archie are the perfect age to grow up as playmates. As the two grow, I'm sure the tabloids would love following their exploits.

Hopefully, everyone gets it together and makes peace.

Andrew obviously sees an opening and he's taken it - quite aggressively. He's obnoxious on that balcony.

Andrew was asserting his Alpha. It’s cool.

R123, I don't know why people just don't think. MM isn't taking those kids anywhere, she gains nothing by raising them outside the UK. Forget the logistical and security nightmare it would cause.

She'll settle down because it's the only option...as long as all parties lay down their swords. If they insist on this path, she'll cause trouble and win. It's not worth it.

R122- Yes but you're talking about a normal family dynamic. And you're speaking frau-logic. Sorry to put it to you but this is one of the most politically powerful families in the world. Men of this family care and have been groomed to care first and FOREMOST about power and their place in the pecking order. Any finer feelings, if at all about who Mommy loved more, get trumped by the need for prominence. Whatever William thinks about Harry having more leeway (actually Harry has all of the responsibility and none of the perks of being the Heir), William like his father, is the heir to the throne. Harry seems to have fooled himself into thinking "no-one wants to be king" but that is patently untrue and moreover every single person in that family cares. Otherwise why would they squabble over immaterial things? Eg- Diana's HRH status, Beatrice and Eugenie being 'princesses of the blood', Andrew's future role, Meghan's tiara, Frogmore Cottage's proximity to Heathrow (!!!!) ffs etc

You like Harry which is making you frame the question in this way. Let's put it another way. Andrew in his bachelor days enjoyed the same kind of "popularity"/devil-may-care notoriety that Harry did. Looking at his life and Charles' life, do you for one second thing Charles is jealous and wants to switch lives(with the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster to go with it)??? Yeah, didn't think so.

If she truly has mental problems, she might do anything.

She probably has a nice nest egg by now with all the marching she’s done.

She might think (though she could be wrong) she’s better off raising Archie in the US.

She’s not known for making good decisions— marrying Harry was a disaster from go.

R124. The Phillips and Wessex kids could still have been in the front--but they should have been in front of their own parents down to the right a few paces--and not in front of Harry and Markle. The Sussexes should have been beside Andrew and not have Harry shoved in the corner behind his wife. Harry should have been beside his wife. The Phillips and Wessex kids were taking up valuable real estate and preventing Harry and Markle from standing beside one another.

R126 - Andrew did look like he pushed his way to his mother's side like an overbearing bodyguard and it could be for two possible reasons: (1) he's an overprotective ass and wanted his moment in the spotlight next to his mother OR (2) that's the way it was planned with the Queen's children surrounding her (fucking Edward ruined that optic as he got himself stuck way back in the doorway). In one of the videos I saw the Queen look back and a lot of people scrambling before they emerged on the balcony. Maybe Edward had to go to the loo or something and missed his moment to get up front with his siblings and mother. I noticed Harry hadn't finished eating something in his mouth so he looked like he was pissed for having his snack time interrupted. I'd love to be a fly in the wall inside the balcony doors to see behind the scenes.

Watching that clip Harry really did bark “Turn around!” at Meghan twice right before God Save the Queen started to play. And then Megan was pretty clearly blinking back tears at the start of the song. If he’s that abrupt with her in public...

R114 Those shots of her eyeing Cressida are something.

Oh yes, R105, that photo is extraordinary. And hard to find now.

R129, title or not, the BRF are people just like you and me. If you think they are exempt from the most basic of human emotions, I don't know what to tell you. Jealousy is nothing new: Margaret Rose was jealous of Elizabeth and would mock her for not being their father's 'joy'.

Charles and Andrew are more than a decade apart in age, Charles has no reason to care about Andrew's popularity with the public but it may have irked him how much the Queen doted on Andrew the Continual Fuck Up. It doesn't mean that Charles doesn't know he'll be king and Andrew will die a cuckold but sibling rivalries exist.

You are putting these people on a pedestal as if they don't eat, shit and breathe the same way you do.

Re: liking Harry, I actually like both but am able to be objective. The boys have serious problems that likely weren't addressed following their mother's death and it shows in how they handle their relationships.

Camilla had a great time on the balcony with Louis' antics.

Copy/pasting a bit of gossip from another website. Of course, the writer could be a dog, but oh well, it's all gossip! She was responding to people saying Kate looking gaunt yesterday, perhaps due to Will's cheating:

“I know the alleged mistress through a friend. It’s BS apparently.” (William is) “apparently not cheating. Not entirely innocent but not cheating. The “mistress”? One of the shyest and quietest people ever. Yes, she and the royals know each other. However, she literally would not know how to cheat because she is so shy. And when the two were apparently cheating - they weren’t. She was with one of us every time she was meant to be with him."

"The “mistress” is super kind and brutally shy. She literally wouldn’t know how to cheat, even if her or her family’s lives depended on it. One time she and Will were meant to be together - she was with my friend on the opposite end of the country and I’ve seen the photos.”

"Yes, she (Kate) looks gaunt at times but not for the reasons we all think. (I’m in a career where in my field, we know more than we should).”

Camilla and Kate in the carriage.

Charles has stated he had misgivings about marrying Diana, but thought they were too far down the line to call it off. I don’t think the push came from the family.

Diana would never have stated anything positive about the BRF. She was a manipulative perpetual victim, with horrendous judgment.

DIdn't Philip tell him to either marry her or let her go, lest he 'ruins a girl from a good family' and all.

r106 That is a picture of the royal box, it's invite only. Meghan was at Wimbledon working for Ralph Lauren and talked her way into the box. She moves around the box a lot that day, so it's clear she has not got a seat. She also got into Serena's box, given the looks on the faces of the two members of Serena's team who were already in there it looked like neither of them had a clue who she was. She moved again when Anna Wintor arrived. It just shows the brass neck on sparkle. No shame at all.

There was an interesting article on Harry Markle about the difference between a Gold Digger and a Grifter. Sparkle is clearly the latter.

Someone with spare time could probably dig up those old Diana copy pics, the Dangling Tendril threads still exist.

R136- Sorry, perhaps you misunderstood me. You are correct in that of course sibling rivalries exist, even and especially in this family given the stakes at play. But on balance,'power trumps everything. How many people are kowtowing to you is what determines your worth. So while of course William and Charles might have more private feelings about how their younger siblings perhaps got more time and attention but he had no reason to actively alienate Harry without provocation.

Not treating anyone like they don't shit or breathe but this is just a basic human tendency. Might (and power) is rtight what most men care about unless they are exceptionally evolved. This is not a family, it is branches of a hereditary firm angling and competing for public prominence. The idea that their wives are not participating in the competition and are regular sisters-in-law who are tired of their husbands is a bit idealistic and naive.

*might is right and it is what most men care most about

R138, are they talking about Kate's bulimia? What else would make you gaunt but not allow you to state it? We know she and William are heavy smokers. Is it drugs or an illness?

Look, Kate's got an athletic build but she's got moments where her thinness isn't natural. She was much heavier and healthy-looking in the beginning of her marriage.

R142, now that's juicy, thanks! I saw that she had a RL bag, so would probably be a part of their box, if they have one. But her getting herself into the royal box is amazing. I mean, if you're friends with the woman who's won Wimbledon a million times, why wouldn't you stay seated in her box?

Before going onto the balcony, the entire group should be told exactly where to stand instead of jockeying for position. They may have it slightly rehearsed, but it's thoroughly worked out and looks messy. Whatever we think, Harry and Markle should not have been shoved in a corner. Edward certainly should not have been all the way in the back so you couldn't even see him. The Trooping of the Colour is also in recognition of the queen's birthday, and Edward is her son. He should have been closer to Andrew as well. As far as Andrew standing where he stood, it was perfectly fine. If Sarah Ferguson wasn't going to be there to accompany Andrew, then Andrew is essentially accompanying his mother dressed in his military outfit. Some say Andrew was acting alpha. Maybe so. But maybe not since he belongs where he was. And if Andrew if he doesn't get into position on the balcony, he will lose his space to those Philips and Wessex kids who should have in front of their parents, not in front of Harry and Markle.

R146, I don't know. I was wondering myself what was meant by "not for the reasons we all think." To the extent I've thought about Kate's thinness, I just assumed it was being a mother of 3 kids and being perhaps too figure-conscious and overdoing sport/diet.

R131, you may be right. Of course, Andrew may have been carrying a chip on his shoulder about how the Harkles treated his daughter.

They say revenge is best when served cold. Eat up, Prince Dimwit. "Whatever Meghan wants" she may get, but not without consequences.

Even back in those Wimbledon pics she's wearing a dress that is at least one size too big, maybe two. What gives? What kind of disorder does one have when they consistently do this?

I don't see how the rest of them aren't stick thin either. If my picture was splashed everywhere I would have a hard time not considering every bite.

Oh, you mean that $9.00 wrap dress from The Gap, r151?

She really cannot dress.

What are these trolls talking about? Kate doesn't look sickly. Trooping is literally the best she's ever looked in years

R146, Christ you're a stupid cow.

Where were Princess Margaret's children at Trooping the Colour: Viscount Linley, the Earl of Snowden and Lady Sarah Chatto? Queen Elizabeth is their aunt. They grew up with her and they are cousins to the queen's kids (Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward). Shouldn't they have been on the balcony and part of the festivities, even riding in one of the carriages on the Mall?

Do we have any full body shots of MM from yesterday?

If she knew she’d mostly be photographed in the carriage, she def should not have chosen that voluminous capelet thing.

It seems clear that Andrew and Anne are flanking HM to prevent MM from approaching. In the video it is Anne who brusquely directs the Harkles to their corner. When MM comes onto the balcony she's looking right at HM, perhaps hoping she'll catch her eye and they can have a "moment". However she phrased it, Anne clearly tells them to move over. They know her schtick.

Margaret's kids show up some years, some years not.

Talking to no one.

R160, "Talking to no one" poster deserves a special thread. This stuff is gold.

R158 Exactly. They clearly tried to land the plum spot next to the Queen, were blocked by Anne & Andrew & found themselves squashed in the corner. Harry could have stepped forward & asked the kids to move along a bit but he would have looked a bit of a twat if he had, even he realised that.

Thanks, r161. I miss the Dangling Tendrils threads.

R160 those for me are the defining shots of who MM really is. One minute she is challenged, and the next she is shamelessly faking a shared amusing moment with the very people who challenged her.

R142 interesting article but one factor is missing unless I read it too quickly, i.e. the Mulroney connection, not to much the poseur stylist bff,, but the cachet of the former Canadian Prime Minister, both in Canada and the UK. I was very surprised not to see the former PM and his supremely ambitious wife Mila at the wedding in Windsor absolutely thrilled to see their grandkids in the bridal party.

I for one am highly entertained by Meghan’s Wimbledon shenanigans. It’s real Becky Sharp stuff. I admire our plucky American adventuress, going after what she wanted.

Need I add, she got it!

Kate looked wonderful yesterday, best I’ve seen her in fact. You anti-Kate trolls are the worst. Taking cheap shots.

Yes R164, The Mulroney connection was important because it encompassed a (onetime) world leader, and within the British Commonwealth. Hmmm.

R86 is correct. Diana leaked lots of information out to Andrew Morton for his sensational book in 1992, not long before the separation in late 1992. I don't know if this was before or during those famous leaked tapes the tabloids to great delight in, even setting up a telephone line where you could call and listen to them (at premium rates!)

It was Diana's explosive Panorama interview in 1995 which completely blindsighted the RF and ended any small hope of good family relations thereafter. The Queen told them to divorce, pronto, and Diana was finally cast out to pretty much her own devices for the last 2 years of her life with no Royal protection.

I understand she got very badly harassed afterwards with paparazzi openly abusing her in order to get reaction shots, calling her a slag, whore, loony etc. They leaked pics from hidden cameras in her gym. Tapped her phones. The RF didn't include or invite her to anything. She must have really felt what it was like being on the outside looking in.

R56 & R115 (among others) - we’ve talked the Balcony arrangements a lot. But I didn’t even register the significance of the carriage (or remember they had their own last year)

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I imagine Meghan’s thoughts on the balcony were along the lines of, “Just wait till next year when I’m cradling my own adorable poppet!” Looking forward to that.

R61 I agree -her eyes look completely different than one month ago - some type of lift or fillers seem likely. I wager she will continue to with many procedures to improve her appearance and fail utterly.

R165 Spot on about Becky Sharp. That said, yesterday had me wondering when we switch from Thackeray to Flaubert. When does she become Bovary?

Thank you R169.

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Well what a week.

We've waved goodbye to POTUS and FLOTUS, and were astonished at the return of BLOATUS.

This thread is good today.

What's next....Ascot?

Lol, there is definitely no-one there.

Order of the Garter on the 16th, before Ascot. We will see Kate, Queen Letizia and Maxma reunited, so the outfit game will be strong.

R175, The comments to that ‘Harry is so eco-conscious!’ article are hilarious.

“HRH= His Royal Hypocrite.“

“Harry and Doria just have too much time on their hands.”

Kate also has a few public engagements next week (solo and with her husband). We'll see more of the family at the Garter ceremony and Ascot.

"I understand she got very badly harassed afterwards with paparazzi openly abusing her in order to get reaction shots, calling her a slag, whore, loony etc."

God, anyone who was around for the 1981 rollout of lovely, fairytale Lady Diana could never have dreamed how it would all end up. Absolutely unthinkable.

R175 - Anyone else would be embarrassed to be so publicly stupid.

Does Charles have a favorite grandchild?

Louis seems to be one of those kids that can make everybody smile

My eyes hurt!

Meghan was making a lot of odd faces yesterday. She looks like she’s either on something or having some kind of psychotic break.

Kate on her wedding day.

Another lovely shot of Kate the bride.

Photos of an excited Charlotte on the balcony.

Louis seems like a bit of a Love Baby - as another commentor described the royal family, yes they’re a family but they’re also members of a hereditary firm. Part of the job description is to produce an heir and a spare ( George and Charlotte ). There was no reason to have Louis other than love, and I think that’s why members of the Firm are showering him with affection - plus he’s just a sweet smiley baby.

Meghan will be in British Vogue in September writing about women's empowerment.

R186, Those prairie patterns are horrific. Kate and Diana could pull it off because they're so tall and graceful, but honestly that should be limited to wallpaper from period films.

Yes, it’s so empowering to make your way through the world by glomming onto men and popping out a baby.

R180 is correct. Harry is now married to Doria.

Kate dotes on her children and they appear happy and well-adjusted.  I already love Charlotte, who seems to possess just enough of Diana's spunk.

Meghan is clearly choking back tears on the balcony following whatever Harry said to her.

Given the military-like precision of the royal family's 'pomp and circumstance' events, there must be an advance directive of where each person is to stand on the balcony.

As someone who experienced it, challenging to explain the global fame Diana had.  She was, easily, the most famous woman in the world and her every outfit, hairstyle, outing heavily chronicled in the media.  She could do no wrong.  Human nature will forgive virtually anything if the individual is beautiful or handsome and Diana was dazzling; tall, statuesque, legs for days, luminous golden hair always perfectly coiffed, intense blue eyes, the best couture clothing, stunning jewels, extraordinarily photogenic.  No one in the royal family came close to the public's obsession with Diana.  Interestingly, as much as she likely hated the BRF, her premature demise is what guaranteed they'll endure; all the adulation the public had for Diana was transferred to William, who looks so much like her.

Another Trooping The Colour balcony scene. Harry is the baby in Charles' arms.

Bill Maher has some choice words for the Royal Family.

Whew, have just caught up. Will begin with outing myself as the Sad Fuck I am and noting that in the Megs-at-Wimbledon photo, upthread, on the far left of the shot is one Jim Chapman, Youtube "star" and brother to Sam and Nic Chapman, Youtube OGs and make-up artists. At the time that photo was taken Jim was probably at the peak of his "fame" but still nothing like A or even B list. Solid D list, even then. That's not the royal box, is it? Is it some sponsored area? Ralph Lauren? Because if it is, I can see Meghan being there legitimately, if Jim Chapman is there legitimately. That was also the peak time of brands desperately flailing about for anyone they could possibly label an "influencer" because apparently it was the thing to do. Jim and Meghan were both in that vague 'has some presence on social media' category then.

Right. Onward.

R28 - That Guardian article is by Stewart Lee and is therefore 100% a pisstake. Lee is about as far away from 'monarchist' as Trump is from 'introspection' and is not referring to Harry as a "hero" in a serious way. The article is actually shit-talking him for being in the same room with Trump after what Trump said about his mother (which is also detailed). That said, the Guardian columnists (alas, mostly female) have been embarrassingly pro-Meghan, which I suspect would not be the case had she been white.

R37 Regarding footballers/D-Listers, I do wonder if Harry was unaware of Meg's reaching out to them before hooking up with him. I mean, he probably was (unaware). She sold him the 'poor, brave Megs the humanitarian with the beastly family who had only the vaguest idea of who Prince Harry even was' narrative. "Oh, and I also contacted various reality show and ex football types before I met you" doesn't fit that at all. The reported stories also specifically make Harry himself look like a mark/mug. I can see him being VERY pissed off about it.

As for Harry and royal relationships and roses and gardens, I have long been of the opinion that Harry's getting with Meghan was in very large part about his own psychodrama as it relates to his mother. He has, since they were first dating, cast himself (to her obvious pleasure) in the role of brave protector of the sad (because mean family), vulnerable, beautiful woman. What other sad, vulnerable, beautiful women has Harry had in his life, that he must have felt some drive to protect? Has there been one in particular, that a young child, powerless to actually do much of anything at the time, may have felt on some deep emotional level that he had failed to protect from all the destructive forces swirling around her?

Harry and Meghan have, since the beginning, both been playing off each other's childhood trauma in ways that (again, early on) must have felt powerfully compelling to both of them. I think the vast majority of relationships that begin like this are destined to burn hot and fast before eventually going ice cold. It was a mistake for them to marry, and now they have a child (which makes them permanent fixtures in each other's lives). I'm interested to see if she gets pregnant again. Neither of them are smart, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

R186 I love them. But I love pattern, period.

R197, that photo is interesting. The important Royals always wear red jackets. Why doesn't Harry have one?

Diana refused a royal protection officer after the divorce because she was sure they spied for the BRF. Otherwise, she would have been a bit better insulated from the press. She was riding the whirlwind those last years, but what did she seriously expect after Panorama? For the BRF to fall on its knees and apologize for failing to appreciate her? For Charles to spurn Camilla and beg Diana to reconcile with him?

Actually, I think she did at some level believe that could happen. Which was the tragedy of Diana.

R192 Christ. I actually watched tat entire Larry King interview (no, I listened - it was too cringe-y to watch) and would actually encourage others to do so. She's no "champion" of women's rights. Several times he tries to bait and or lead her into saying something of substance or something that might be very, very slightly controversial in support of her great cause and every single time she dodges. 'Feminism' is very clearly just the cause Megs decided to latch onto in order to promote herself. She is no more a feminist than she is an environmentalist. And that 'charmingly precocious feminist child lambastes national soap brand for sexism' story gets trotted out again, complete with earnest "I was just so mad!!!" tone.

R194 Exactly. This is one of the reasons I've had it with pop culture feminism. It's an absolute joke to hold up and promote a woman in Meghan's position (i.e. a woman who is being given a platform in Vogue UK solely due to the man she married) as a 'feminist.' She literally gave up her career and her social media presence (which she had spent years cultivating - see the Larry King interview, in which she plugs the Tig multiple times) to marry into an archaic institution that makes absolutely no bones about the fact that a woman's role is to produce babies and nothing else. She's the opposite of a feminist ffs.

I agree that Meghan and Harry have been playing out an intense psychodrama with each other for the past three years--the sex at the beginning must have been smoking! But now all that lust is starting to go sour, as Frogmore Cottage fills with baby cries and the smell of dirty nappies, and Meghan's hot little body is bloated from pregnancy and her winning ways blunted by stress and, possibly, post-partum depression. Harry is not equipped to deal with those realities. It could get very ugly, very fast.

A few months ago, I'd have bet money on a second Sussex baby. Now, I'm not so sure.

Dimwit and half-dressed pregnant Markle on Australia Royal Tour.

Talking of security guards George is being fwightfully bwave

R201, it's because Harry isn't high enough in rank.

The red jackets have to do with military rank, and Harry topped out at skipping out on the major test and getting granny to give him an 'honourary' rank.

The first comment at R206

"More likely to die by being crushed under a pile of teenage Italian rent boys during a party."

I finally feel sorry for Meg. I would say Harry’s love for her is the type shakespeare called *likely* to “alter when it alteration finds” (Sonnet 116). Nor will Prince Harry “Bear it til the end of doom”. He will just call the cleanup crew and move on.

"And that 'charmingly precocious feminist child lambastes national soap brand for sexism' story gets trotted out again, complete with earnest "I was just so mad!!!" tone."

I absolutely believe she made sure to tell that story to Harry on their first date, and good for her if she did. It does sound pretty impressive.

"I just so admired your mother for the important humanitarian work she did. It's so vital to try and make a difference." [Sips dirty martini, glances down shyly.] "It's funny. That's something I learned when I was in grade school. Oh, haha, of course I meant primary school! Sixth form, as you Brits say. Anyway, I was watching this commercial for dishwashing liquid, and......"

As the ghosted PR lady said upon hearing of their impending date, "There's just no way he's going to be able to resist her."

Re the positioning on the balcony...

Watch them all come out of the door, Queen in the lead. Charles moves to the left of screen, (the Queen's right). William is behind him, and while you can't yet see them at first, he is guiding George and Charlotte who are in front of him. Kate is behind William, holding Louis. If you watch closely, you can see William turn to Kate and very slightly incline his head toward his right and Kate then follows in that direction. The Cambridges, led by William, position themselves directly in front of that pillar. They even have to literally squeeze past behind Charles (who appears to know where they are heading) before Camilla takes her place on Charles' right. Cambridge children in front, William and Kate behind them with Kate still holding Louis. Pillar behind. This puts Kate (and Louis) beside Camilla who beams over at Louis and appears to coo at him. And no need to worry who is standing behind them with that pillar at their back.

Very, very nicely done.

As the Cambridges are heading for their spot, you can even see Anne, positioned directly behind her mother, look over and say "Louis" as she watches that group head toward the pillar.

I suspect the senior royals had decided privately amongst themselves their positions before they went out that door. Object was perhaps to keep the Queen surrounded with those closest to her.

Sorry, there are so many videos, I couldn't find the one I remember seeing William's clue to Kate. Perhaps someone else can.

Very interesting maneuvering this year.

BTW, could someone post the clip where Anne is directing the Sussex duo where to stand? I missed that.

^^after Camilla takes her place on Charles' right

Very telling that MM didn't post a balcony shot on her Insta post. Because you couldn't see her! Well, hardly. But why not post a balcony shot of the family? Why post a picture of steaming horse shit?

Doesn't the balcony thing only last about 3 minutes? I'm not sure how much time anybody has to position themselves strategically, except of course for putting the Queen in the middle.

Meghan is a child of divorce like Prince Harry, Princess Diana and Fergie.

For a slim minority of children, the psychological effects of divorce may be long-lasting. Some studies have linked parental divorce to increased mental health problems, substance use issues, and psychiatric hospitalizations during adulthood.

Adults who experienced divorce during childhood may also have more relationship difficulties. Divorce rates are higher for people whose parents were divorced.

R215, this is exactly why everyone knows exactly how important they are and exactly whom they have to follow. The order of precedence is EVERYTHING and Megs constantly messes it up. It's why Harry's so obviously embarrassed by her.

Can't have been much of a fight, his shorts still have the crease marks from the packaging, at the end.

I say this kindly, it's a big job to enter the British Royal Family. And a big responsibility, too, to shepherd a newcomer through the process as Harry has had to do. The only thing for it is to be extremely humble and low key, accept all expert advice on offer, and be as inconspicuous and helpful as possible until you know the ropes.

R217 It's really not that important and nobody cares as long as the children are in the front so they can see. Prince Edward was hidden in the background so are you saying that Prince Edward messed up, you racist?

I don't know much about how rich people act, but if I was sitting in a carriage and my sister-in-law was sitting across from me pretending to have a fantastic conversation with nobody, I would be convinced she was fucking insane.

I think this "historian" is on drugs.....

R126 I thought the exact same thing. He looks like the 2nd in line to the throne. Very Trumpian of him.

.....R219 here, with an afterthought. That's why the "hit the ground running" remark was unfortunate. Maybe well meant, but a better, more reasonable approach might have been, "I plan to take a bit of time to get to know my new country and family, so that I can truly understand my important responsibilities and do my best to support Her Majesty and serve the people of Great Britain." Something like that. Then lay low and be dutiful. Concentrate on your marriage. People would have understood and forgiven any little public missteps. Then, after you've settled in, you can slowly start doing your special thing.

Andrew is probably still pissed about that maternity coat thing. Anyone, especially someone who had recently married in, had done such a thing within my family would have a long way to go to 'be forgiven'. It is low and bitchy af to take a brides day away from them, since polite people will congratulate the new mom

R219, you must be thinking it's like joining some kind of firm. Unless you have exactly the right background, there will be little real acceptance and a lot of shade. Apparently PW's old friends still give Kate a hard time.

R226 I'm sure you're right. But it's not impossible to do your duty and earn some respect. And Kate's going to be Queen, end of.

Here is Meghan copying Diana, R105 and R135. I'm having trouble finding the corresponding photo of Diana, which is interesting because the comparison was easy to find a couple of years ago.

R225, though the Meghan hatred in these threads is scary and some of the posters outright bigoted, what she did at Eugenie's wedding was beyond crass and cruel.

She really didn't think of how it could make those celebrating feel conflicted. Though Eugenie was said to have known beforehand and given the greenlight, the Sussexes could have waiting one more fucking day so as not to steal the bride's thunder. Just one day but no, it had to be there. I blame Harry even more than I do Meghan: take control and guide her gently (buy firmly).

Andrew has already complained that his daughters were getting the shaft by Charles and then Meghan and Harry do this; Andrew and Sarah must have been seething and one thing a grifter never forgets or forgives is a slight.

I think the BRF handled Meghan's on boarding improperly from the beginning and I hope with each new royal bride/groom, there's a nesting period to get you acclimated behind the scenes...and it's not optional.

I will say this, the timing of the wedding, her pregnancy and that big tour down Under was complicated. She and Harry probably felt they had better announce the pregnancy before leaving on the trip, which was - what, two days after the wedding? Just in case something came up that would require an explanation: like, she can’t go here and do this because she’s pregnant. Frankly I don’t know why they’re doing a major tour only a few months into the marriage. Again, an argument for taking things slow.

If they had announced a day or two after the wedding, they might still have been accused of stealing thunder. Damned if they did/didn’t, etc. but she shouldn’t have worn the coat.

And this is pure speculation of course, but maybe she was thinking oh this wedding is a happy family gathering, what better place to share our joy? It’s a very sort of California way to think.

r228, I think it is this one.

Alpha Wills only looks good when two thirds of his face is covered up.

I think it was Tina Brown who said that it was ironically Diana herself who first laid the seeds of this great love story between Charles and Camilla by naming her in the Andrew Morton book. Camilla was by no means the only extramarital relationship he had, but Camilla (much like Kate) outlasted the others. After Diana was dead, it was easy for the royal spin doctors to build on the “he/she was my first love” angle to gain enough public acceptance to marry. And it continues today.

It’s a shame because, in the beginning, Diana held all the cards. She could have seen Camilla off no problem, had she been able to be more strategic about the whole situation. But that wasn’t who she was and that is probably why she was so popular.

[quote]Kate's hat was lovely from every angle.

And MM couldn't stand it.....

Is it true what someone said upthread, that Harry wasn’t credentialed to put on the funny hat and ride a horse, like his father, brother and uncle? Is that considered a little embarrassing, that he had to ride in the carriage with the ladies? Not judging, just asking.

Copying no one.

Thanks, R228. I found the same. Interesting that the side-by-side of Diana/Meghan is hard to find now.

Copying no one.

Weirdsville

It's a habit

Sigh.

And again.

......

This picture of Diana in a Northwestern sweatshirt is hilarious considering MM went to Northwestern

I would not be surprised if her hero wearing that sweatshirt was not her entire reason for going to Northwestern. It's like her blog The Tig which was clearly named after William and Harry's Nanny not her convoluted story about wine.

A few more here

Even more here

There's another few here

Brown and pushy. She could be an arab, or jew.

Footwear News has one or two more

R220, Even Harry knew that Smeg messed it up. It's why kept barking at her "turn around!"

If you think being disgusted by someone because she's an incompetent and unwelcome grifter is racist, then I can't help you.

This is hilarious, once you start looking you can't see anything else

Behold the piping! "cocktail waitress on an oil rig"? (Best In Show reference)

R235, yes. Harry never passed the Major's exam, so he can't rise to the rank where he gets to ride a horse. Someone (such as his grandmother) could give him an honorary promotion, but so far she apparently doesn't believe he deserves that.

In the beginning, Smegs kept wearing these giant, belted coats, much like this navy one ☝️ and the brown she wore with the poop emoji hat. I have a feeling she’s one of those people who wants to wear new clothes right away and can’t bother to sit for the tailor to to their job. She looked so incredibly bad yesterday, she must be really have post-partum.

It's kinda sad to think that literally every other guy seems to have stuck around long enough to at least ride the horses, and here we have aging Harry still riding with the ladies.

R251 You have no idea what he said to her because you weren't there. I'm not going to accept your imagination as fact.

There's no question that Haz told Sparkles to turn her disrespectful ass around when the queen's song was being played.

R255 MeMe's horrible taste in clothes is innate and has nothing to do with "post-partum."

That "Lil' Mama" tag is killing me on Twitter.

Someone on the DM said they thought it was Lil' Kim in the carriage, at first.

Is Harry nodding off?

What I meant by the “post-partum” comment R259 is that she was not even trying to look good. Even when she tries and fails to look good you can tell she’s a total try-hard. Yesterday she just seemed like she couldn’t even try, that’s how bad things must be. Like another poster said, she should have stayed home.

I'm the font from other BRFT threads and I lost a $50 bet that MM wouldn't be at TTC I also am the FIRST at DL to say she'd been on Adderall to stay thin now I'm seeing that ALL over cyberspace, double damn DL his heavily lurked. Also I don't debate this is only gossip, bitches. She should have dropped the speed when she as faking the pregnancy, the bitch is hustling backward, WTF!

LordOverlord was brilliant in inviting her to her public demise. She's toast. Harry showed his disdain for the world to see, the RF dislikes her she's an object of scorn and pity.

^^ excuse errors DL seriously needs an edit feature!

Meghan appears "out-of-it" and Harry has no patience with her. He's REALLY pissed about something.

No matter what the truth is, it's telling that nobody could be bothered to fake it for her for 3 minutes. She has burned every bridge and alienated all members of that family, probably because she can't fathom a close-knit unit.

Especially glaring with Harry, considering how disgusting their PDA used to be.

I know this is morbid, but after seeing how unwell Charles has been looking recently, I'm thinking his reign is going to be veeery short. And that's assuming he outlives his mother.

Harry's Oxytocin glow is over. He has gotten an earful during his travels you know people are asking him all sorts of uncomfortable shit, just blurting things out. No sex can ever make up for his worldwide embarrassment. He got conned by a pro.

The Trump interview last week with Piers Morgan on "Nasty" Meghan is what likely tipped Harry over the edge IMO (starts at 5:00 minutes). Trump says the word NASTY ten times during the interview specifically as it relates to Meghan.

No matter what your views are on Trump, this "nasty" public slagging of MM's character could not have sat well with BRF. I think Harry was called out on it by the Firm and he in turn let her have it. Full Force.

I agree that it's very possible that Harry has been shown proof of Meghan's con. He may have arrived home and let her have it. Maybe she's having a mini breakdown?

What r177 said.

Well, this thread was fun while it lasted. So much to enjoy reading here, especially r219 and r224. All very thoughtful and tethered to reality.

And then Enter the Unhinged and Cheese off the Cracker with Meg Hate to ruin it.

There's nothing wrong with a point of view. Good gossip depends on it. Hate the DoS. But your posts should at least be supported by some nexus to an actual event, or some nuanced observation; not pulled outta your ass.

[Quote]Meghan appears "out-of-it" ....

To me, MM looks distressed. Deeply distressed. Needy. Deeply Insecure. Distraught. Even fearful. I think the "marriage" is in a very precarious state and Harry could care less. ThIs raises all sorts of panic-inducing emotions for the socially isolated, unemployed and unemployable middle-aged actress. Not a good place to be for this new mom.

I wonder what will happened with her patronages? I know the National Theater one was very much...not well received.

In the photo at R106, does anyone know who the girl is right in front of Meghan? Wearing blue and on the phone. Every time I see that pic I’m struck by how pretty she is.

I have to disagree that it was Trump calling Meg nasty that made Harry short with her. Haz hates Trump (and has good reason to, after Trump said he'd fuck his mother, but only if she took an AIDS test first) and if anything Trump shitting on Meg would make Harry even more likely to defend her.

If I was Harry, I wouldn't have been AT ALL happy to find out that my 'oh I had no idea who he was, I was just busy humanitarianing and not looking for a husband at all, no, not me, and then I met this kind redhead and fell in love with him before I even knew he was a prince!!1!' wife had actually been straight-up messaging z-list slebs before spinning her tale of kindness and woe to me. It's not just that it makes him look like an easily played idiot (which he is), it really outs her as extremely calculating. And that's not even mentioning the new parenthood factor, which is stressful for basically everyone, especially manchildren.

Forgot to add, if you think that the Queen let Harry have it over Trump's distaste of the DoS, you ain't playin' with a full deck.

You're missing the point, r276.

R269. How could Harry "let Markle have it" over Trump saying Markle is nasty? Trump said it, not Markle. Besides, all Markle said was that Trump is a misogynist...and that was in 2015 before Markle even started dating Harry. She was an actress at the time and a guest on a late-night talk show. She had nothing to do with the BRF back then.

Ironic that they have a strong mental health agenda.

My next book title “Talking To No One”.

Hilarious to see the infamously 300lb Welp Troll calling post partum Meghan fat. Only on DL.

Harry rode in a carriage because he has not been made a Royal Colonel by The Queen yet. Edward did not ride a horse, and is a Royal Colonel. Everyone knows Edward did not last through Marine training, let alone serve like Harry. It's got nothing to do with any "test". Last I checked, Anne on horseback as well did not serve in the military either.

Reason for Meghan acting so insecure and tentative yesterday has to do with how she looks. She's a vain person who puts a lot of stock in outward appearances, and yesterday she knew that she's not looking her best these days. Her demeanor and actions feed off of how attractive she perceives herself to be. Also, Meghan's feelings are tied largely in part to how she perceives the public views her. That's why she's always acting and tries too hard to "look the part" in every function so far. I think she's just as surprised at how tough it is for her to regain pre-baby physique; she probably expected things to go a lot easier. But genetics kicked her in the ass. Realizing that maybe she's one of those women who is really affected by pregnancy and skip the stage of hot middle-aged mom straight to matronly middle-aged mom. Hey it also happens in Hollywood (look at Bryce Dallas Howard post-baby). There's really nothing wrong with looking lumpy and out of shape in the months after giving birth. Problem resides all within the vain, narcissist woman who places such importance on looks. They're their own worst enemies because they set themselves up for failure and the resultant depression. All because of self-imposed pressure to look a certain way or be in competition with other more fortunate women/ women who work their asses off getting back in shape post-baby.

[QUOTE] getting granny to give him an 'honourary' rank.

Edward bailed out of the Royal Marines before he even finished his training, and Anne never served a day of her life. Both were given honorary ranks and get to wear the fancy uniforms.

As for her looks yesterday. Her face lacks good bone structure to support extra facial weight gain. Thus the extra fat just makes her look extremely doughy and matronly. Also likely due to her getting botox injections to her jaw muscles again (jawline less pronounced than Archie appearance). But that's also why she looked fatter in the face yesterday. Her strong, masculine jawline actually would've helped to support the extra fat in the face. But now that's slimmed down, she's left with the fat mainly in her mid face, pushing up the eyes and making her eyes appear even smaller.

Also she wasn't wearing her usual heavy, smoky eye makeup. Maybe she's trying for another look, who knows. Many women experiment with new looks be it hair or makeup when they experience life milestones such as motherhood. I actually think she looks better without the smoky eye makeup that made her look too common Hollywood. The hat was fugly as hell, too small and round but it served its purpose of hiding most of her hair, which is probably still kinky from not being able to straighten it due to harmful chemicals possibly getting into breast milk. She also looked tanner than usual and yes, looked a lot like Doria. Literally turning into her mother.

You just know MM was looking at every pic of Melania.

R284, precisely. Edward and Anne are children of the monarch. Harry is a grandchild. Also, Anne is famously the hardest working royal and rides a horse well. She in fact competed in the Olympics.

Maybe when Charles is King, he'll give Harry and honorary promotion, but for now that's up to HRH and she's not going there.

Melania's style - What MM desperately wishes she herself could have.

I doubt Meghan gives a shit about Melania, like 99% of the world.

To be fair, Diana wore so many clothes and was photographed so often that it's easy to find reasonably comparable dupes for almost any outfit Meghan wears. You can do the same thing with Kate too, and the papers have, in the past. The only one of those pictures where she seems to be consciously channeling Diana is the sunglasses tucked into the white shirt one. The pose gives it away.

Prince Philip will turn 98 tomorrow.

Melania looks like a trani.

Put her side by side with bruce/caitlyn jenner and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Also, she's had a shit ton of plastic surgery. Nose,lips, eyes, cheeks, tits and god knows what else. Her face looks stretched , botox?,and her eyes have turned an entirely different shape, looks like a skinned cat. She's tall and broad and hides behind that weird wig that covers half her face. No wonder she wears glases all the time.

Sunglasses*

Bump

Insecurity. On full blown display.

The comments under the dm article about rose are...interesting.

DM are not deleting comments about affair speculation, they know something and I bet it will all come out soon enough.

Slick willy he ain't.

The issue between the brothers? Harry found out wills and kp were behind the meg abuse. They've been using meghan as a shield and threw her to the wolves to distract from wills wandering dick.

MM is a manipulator. She was ignoring protocol AGAIN. And then pouted about being corrected. She knew where the camera was (naturally) and made sure she telegraphed her wounded status.

“Poor Meghan”. Just what she wants to portray now.

Lots of frizz underneath her bun. Harry’s hair is very frizzy as well. Separately, they are okay looking; together, not so much.

The only pic I've seen showing her body.

It's early morning in the UK, so Philip is now officially 98 years old. Still cannot believe he walked away from that car accident in one piece at his age.

R285, you're a real sack of trash with your psychobabble and thinly veiled racism. Kinky hair? Turning into her mother? Masculine jaw? Your jealousy is disgusting along with your bigotry.

YOU are part of the reason women in the public eye (like Meghan, Kate and Diana before them) feel the need to go to drastic measures to lose weight in an absurd amount of time. There's natural vanity and there's vanity compounded by wastes of human flesh like yourself and your coven of cunts. The mean girl personas where you attack a stranger and call it gossip are just vile.

Just so you know, it's 2019...chemical straightening isn't really done the way you think anymore. I get sleek hair with blow drying and a flat iron; there's no way someone as high profile as Meghan wouldn't do it as well if they couldn't have a chemical process.

You're taking joy at your rumor of a nursing mother being a junkie spreading across the internet and you're also claiming to be in the medical field. Wow...seriously, die in an excruciating grease fire. But before that blessed day, you're blocked.

R229: “...I think the BRF handled Meghan's on boarding improperly from the beginning and I hope with each new royal bride/groom, there's a nesting period to get you acclimated behind the scenes...and it's not optional.”

I believe they tried. She had veteran staff aiding her and most certainly advising her on the dress code and protocol. She’d be briefed and prepped. No one expected her to be perfect; failing to curtsy to the Queen of Tonga is basic and she’d have known to.

The maternity stunt at Eug’s wedding is 100% unforgivable. My teenage daughter heard about it and pronounced it a “burn” and “low”. A 30-something worldly woman such as Meghan would damn well know that. No royal adviser needed.

[quote] I don't know much about how rich people act, but if I was sitting in a carriage and my sister-in-law was sitting across from me pretending to have a fantastic conversation with nobody, I would be convinced she was fucking insane.

For R221...

This is a clip from the trip where the Queen and Sparkle went to Chester. - Shown from the front...

For R221

Part 2

This is a clip from the trip where the Queen and Sparkle went to Chester. - Shown from the side...

Priceless.

Heavy smokers? Link, evidence past college years?

[quote] The hat was fugly as hell, too small and round but it served its purpose of hiding most of her hair, which is probably still kinky from not being able to straighten it due to harmful chemicals possibly getting into breast milk.

I'm always a fan of DL expert analysis: ie making up stuff out of thin air.

Black women around the world straighten their hair while pregnant with no adverse consequences and if Meghan's really worried about strong chemicals, bitch could use a hair serum and a straightening brush. Besides, Meghan's hair isn't curly under that hat. Bitch's edges are laid AF and the edges would betray her if she were avoiding the salon.

Darn.

Sparkle makes direct eye contact with the camera in both clips at R304 and R305.

Like a laser beam.

Already posted r305. On previous thread.

R303, someone gave an interesting take on why they announced at the wedding reception (their tour Down Under was imminent) and it's very plausible and explains why they may have cleared it with Eugenie before hand.

But, her get-up, coupled with the announcement...that was Eugenie's day and she deserved to have it be completely about her and Jack. I agree...unforgivable across the board, no exception. Even a discreet announcement a few days into their tour would have gotten better press and allowed Eugenie her time to shine. Won't even touch the thigh-high slit sundress or subsequent belly cupping.

Now, the senior staff provided to Meghan...those stories. Look, she's made major missteps and made them thinking as a Hollywood actress, she had everything down pat. She didn't but their abandonment of her seems out of character for The Establishment.

Her SIL took years to get basic things right and while they were vicious in the papers, she was shielded by The Establishment. I refuse to believe Meghan has done anything while a royal wife that could top pregnant Fergie getting her toes sucked by a man not her husband.

She's fucked up but to the extent of drawing the knives so quickly? Something's off. The BRF are a business/dynasty/whatever but they're family and have supported some fucked up shit in the past...what has Meghan done?

R305. Devastating.

R307, I don’t know much about black women’s hair, and generally refrain from ANY comment, even anonymously, here. All I can say is that Meghan’s hair sometimes looks lovely and sometimes it looks a mess - just like mine. I’m not gonna judge her hair or skin or her weight.

MM's problem is simply that she always wants to be the star and center of attention, but by marrying Harry she will never be that. Fergie understood that and accepted that Diana was the star, and she was fine with it, which is why people still have some affection for the old gal.

R269 Did you even listen to the interview? Or did you just hear what you wanted to. Trump was clearly not calling MM nasty, he was saying he didn't know she had been nasty in her comments about him. Also, that interview was conducted after he met Harry at the state dinner.

Those ignoring gifs are even better when you remember this was during some performance they were meant to be watching, so she was legit being the rude bitch that talks through shit

R302 Go fuck yourself but guess you're too busy having a meltdown moment on DL where we apparently we can't talk about kinky hair, turning into mom, and manly jawline without being called a racist. I'd posted many times about how Meghan looked way better in her younger photos with naturally kinky hair. Don't know what you're on but I've also NEVERmade comments calling Meghan a junkie, on the contrary I was the one who called out the posters on the previous thread who said Meghan was on adderall, which came out of nowhere without hint of gossip. We don't prescribe adderrall lightly and I don't think she's someone who'd buy it illegally. Get that? And yes, hate to break it to you but I am in the medical field, been a nurse 8 years, have a master's and doctorate in nursing practice, both practice as NP and teach at university level to undergrad nursing students. Again, go fuck yourself with your faux outrage.

R304, the lady in the back is killing me!

But, I remember the still shot of this event where HM and DoS looked to be giggling. No clip of that?

R315 is diagnosing people s/he's never met based purely on celebrity gossip and media selected images and footage, but likes to give this armchair analysis the air of credibility by mentioning his/her supposed medical credentials.

Bitch, say what you want to say but don't think anyone sane believes you're a medical professional, nor should you care if they do.

Meghan did not announce her pregnancy at Euge's wedding. Everyone already knew before the wedding, they simply congratulated her and harry. Euge liked several photos of meghan right after and during the fake controversy and they all seem to be friends.

Much ado about nothing per usual.

Sorry for being the common sense poster on here. You may go back to analyzing three second clips now.

Any woman that shows up in an open maternity coat when she's that early in her pregnancy is desperate for attention. Basic social code will tell you don't fucking do that.

R318 Now that you mention it, I've had some new insights about the investiture video...

Looking like her mother is not such a tragic thing - Doria is quite attractive for her age.

R317 Get off your high horse you dumb bitch, diagnosing medical conditions without meeting is part of DL tradition, it's both tongue in cheek and half serious entertainment. Can't take people making fun of your queen Meg? Boo fucking hoo go cry over her IG fan posts. I really don't give a fuck whether people here believe I'm in healthcare, only mention it as springboard for gossipy armchair psychological profile thats based upon some reality. Can't help it if you're dumb enough to take shit said here seriously as in apply it to real life. I like crazy too btw, just not crazy and seriously deranged in accusing people of racism left and right.

R322 You may be too invested. You sound like you're about to stroke out.

She still has a lot to learn. The fake it til ya make it shit was never going to work with the RF. She seriously needs to fade back for a while and take some royal advice regarding everything. Maybe she and Harry can get it together for the baptism? They have done everything wrong so far.

I had to look up the comments R315 and R322 was responding to because I had them on ignore. R302 et al is Kaiser from Celebitchy or on of her minions. Ignoring makes these threads so much better.

R319 - And a 36 year old American divorcee marrying into the British royal family doesn't show her claws at the formal engagement photoshoot in a $75,000 dress when she's marrying the sixth in line, when the fiancee of the next but one King wore a an $800 tailored suit to her official photoshoot, nor does she threaten the British press a year before the engagement and then wonder why the British press is giving her such a harsh ride later on.

Never mind deflecting attention from the bride at the Queen's flesh and blood granddaughter's wedding by announcing a virtually invisible pregnancy with a coat, constantly supporting foreign luxury design houses instead of British ones despite owing something to the British taxpayer, and sowing discord in the family within a year by making it clear she's working for herself not the institution that ler her in, and generally behaving as if she's married to the Heir and not the Spare.

You don't need to be a medical professional to see that the lady has some issues.

Being mixed race and being an attention-seeking hard-arsed manipulative hoe who only married a particular man so she could finally go from c-lister to a-lister aren't mutually exclusive.

R317 R322 Nah I'm good this is all fun shit for me to blow out some stress. I love armchair analyzing crazies who post here as well as BRF crazies. The one who's about to stroke out is R302 whose post is a next level derangement. The faux outrage is probably 3 mini-strokes a minute.

R228 ffs! So any woman on earth, traveling to Africa, who wears a white blouse with sunglasses hanging from the top of the blouse is copying Diana?

Many of these anti-MM posts are ludicrous. Before Harry, MM was single. She dated men. She had sex with men. So what? It doesn't mean she was promiscuous.

These posters are projecting and reading far too much into random photographs like thinking MM was staring at Cressida in the tennis gallery. Cressida was in motion. She pulled focus. Big deal.

I remember Diana being subject to criticism at the beginning. She was a Sloane Ranger and her style didn't reflect the current fashion and hair trends of London in the 80s.

Diana was shocked that the Queen made ordered Charles & her to get a divorce after the Panorama interview. Poor Diana really believed that everyone would be on her side and that Charles would come back to her after the interview.

Harry acted bratty on the balcony. I think the second time he scolded MM to turn around, it was that he saw the Queen starting to leave, meaning that MM would have to curtsy.

Andrew just scowled through the whole thing. Stupid jerk.

MM hasn't had an eyelift or gotten fillers recently. She gained a lot of weight in the final month. Plus, it is likely that she has edema. A DL poster described having edema after the birth of her son.

R325 I have never been to Celebitchy in my life nor have I ever heard of Kaiser anywhere but here. Everyone who makes fun of you isn't sent from some other website to taunt you.

Will the Middletons be invited to Archie's christening?

Time will tell, but it may not have been the best idea for Harry and Markle to move to Frog Cott. Out of sight is out of mind, which may seem like a good idea, but it is also putting a distance wall between the Sussexes and everyone else. Not a good move. If you're going to be friendly, then you have to be nearby. Yeah, maintain your privacy, but don't isolate yourself. Markle needs some friends and allies in the royal family and in the larger royal firm. If you're around, people would get used to her and maybe discover that she's not a monster. But if she and Harry are going to live in the country and rarely see anyone, then no one is going to be able to get friendly with her...and vice versa. And Markle needs royal family friends. You never know, Markle may not be best friends with Kate, but over time, she may become friends with Sophie Wessex, Autumn Phillips or Princess Beatrice...just somebody to have lunch with on occasion the way the Diana and Sarah Ferguson did when times were tough in the early '90s. You can't shut yourself off from everyone or you'll never have even one friend--and it will drive you crazy. Markle is basically in a foreign country and knows nobody. You shouldn't do that to yourself.

R329, you should give it a try then, you’d fit right in. Who is making fun of me on an anonymous website ?

Jecca Craig looks pretty old and weathered. She looks like the mistress of Fotis Dulos who killed his wife, mother of their 5 kids.

BTW, I waiting to hear that I'm from Sunshine Sachs, I'm Sarah Latham, I'm Christian Jones or I'm Charlotte Wace. I enjoy the delusions of grandeur that make DL BRF thread posters think other websites or BRF employees are targeting them.

My view is closer Della's FWIW. It's not the same but it's close. I'm entertained by Meghan. I have no love or hate for her. I don't know her and it's unlikely I ever will.

R332 I'm happy with my current diversions. I don't need new ones. I'm not taking referrals at this time.

Carol Middleton tried to capitalize on the Sussex's wedding with Party Pieces. James Middleton tried to capitalize on Archie's birth with Boomf.

I don’t know, nor care, whether MM took adderall, but to suggest it would be difficult for a tv series actress to obtain it, legally or illegally, is the height of naïveté. Or stupidity.

Back to Wimbledon photos and peculiarities....her outfit was all Ralph Lauren, as she was brand ambassador or some such...they dress you and you go to events. The odd thing is that the dress was wrong size and it was made of suede? In the hot sun!!!! Oh dear.. So, that was her entry to event, but how did she end up in several seats? 3 that I discerned. She has laser focus and must not care how it looks to others. She had not met PH, but made sure to sit for awhile among his circle. How did she manage that? I can’t tell if she’s ballsy as hell, or a bit crazy.

It's interesting to view the Wimbledon photos and see that originally she was wearing a particular placard, most likely to identify her as a rep for Ralph Lauren.

But the photos of her sitting in the other seats show that the placard is no longer hanging around her neck.

adderall is everywhere, especially with actresses. On Kate’s gauntness at times.....it could just be stress...some people overeat and some lose appetite completely when stressed or depressed. Just throwing that in.

R331, it wasn’t their CHOICE to move to Frogmore Cottage.

And legend claims that they haven’t yet.

R336 I don't think she's the type who would risk taking adderall just to lose weight, she's too much of a control freak and too smart to know the side effects of unsupervised, long term use of adderall. I think with her personality type, probably alcohol and cannabis are the only two recreational substances she's taken, and those aren't big deals. Anyways we don't prescribe adderall without it being necessary. While yes, people do abuse it and sell it in the black market for up to $100 a pill butI just don't get the sense that she's abusing adderall, don't see her as a substance abuser at all. Really don't know how this rumor suddenly started. Just because some actresses abuse it, it doesn't mean that Meghan does, it's without any sort of tantalizing evidence sort of like surrogate and fake baby conspiracies. Not a Meghan fan by the way, far from it.

Why do the women have to smile all the time and Andrew for instance gets away with barely acknowledging crowd and looking pissed?

I like Camilla, she does the job, is real with people in interactions. What would happen to her if PC passed away?

Doesn't adderall age you? Why would she want to fuck up her skin.

I've heard nothing ages you as much as pills. That pill addiction or regular use ages you quicker than heroin or crack. I knew one girl who was on anti depressants and within a year she looked so aged, she was devastated. She looked years older than her chronological age.

R341 I know many women whose doctors prescribe it off label for weight loss.

Be the change you wish to see in the world, R302. That means no lecturing other posters on being big ol' meanies and then ending said lecture by hoping they die painfully in a fire. No one here has wished anything like that on your adored one.

R333 There's something Kate-esque about Jecca in that photo (body, not so much face). William seems to have a taste for tall, slim brunettes.

R331 I moved to a foreign country in my 20s and even with a busy job those early months were very, very lonely and difficult before I made friends. And when i say "friend" I don't mean the kind of sycophant that goes on TV and cries about people saying mean things about me. Anyone who has ever known a person like MM knows that MUA isn't her 'friend.' He's useful to her at the moment, that's all. Both York girls seem to be friendly and outgoing people, with Yuge especially spoken of as a kind and genuine person. She seems to have forgiven the wedding pregnancy stunt (although one never knows anyone else's true feelings), and I bet she would have a lot of helpful tips for Meg.

R327 I'm here for your armchair analysis. Thank you for your insight, and I do understand it's all in fun.

R311 My theory is it's Meg's (and Harry's, because he has not only done nothing to discourage it, I suspect he may even be partially behind it) unwillingness to take advice that may have earned her such early dislike in the RF, if that is what we're seeing - which I mostly think it is. Kate got hammered early on, too - and for smaller flubs than Meghan's, imo. But Kate did actually learn. She wasn't seen to double down, as MM has, on her ill-advised actions (the baby shower after she'd already taken heat for the extravagant engagement dress, the leaving up of the IG post shilling her friend's yoga retreat after being called out, the sending her friends to speak gushingly to People and Gayle King after she was surely advised to keep her mouth shut in regards to the media). MM gives off the air of someone who genuinely thinks she knows what she's doing. "I was in a TV show, I know how to handle the media better than these fusty old Brits!" Only no, she doesn't, because this is a whole different game and she STILL doesn't seem to have figured that out yet.

Harry was a dick on the balcony yesterday, though. I don't care for Meghan Markle, but he was a dick. Turning around to look at him wasn't a crime. She has often looked unsure of herself in public (again, WHY won't she take on board that she needs advice, and then take it??) and he's her husband. He just looked like a prat snapping at her over nothing.

If Rach had her PR plant the quite possibly false Rose story to deflect from the salad tossing video, no one in the RF will ever be her friend. Her choice.

That she threw mud at Kate, through Toronto bud Laniey, even before the wedding and was so harsh with toddler Charlotte that it made her mother CRY, same. Kate had had a baby only a few days before but given what we know of MeMe, it is clear why she felt like she had to be there herself.

Looking at photos and videos posted here, I do think Flower is a bit mental. If she gets knocked up again in a month or 3, Harry should be cut off from taxpayer funds due to excessive stupidity. You cannot tell me the handlers did not know all this and more about our Megs, Harry just would not hear it.

Remember how it used to be said that Harry would not hear a word against Catherine in his presence? Look at the harm his wife has done in just a year!

HA! Bitches trying to say who and what can be gossipped about at a gossip board, LOL. I'll say it again: MM is/was tweaking on Adderall. There, I said it again!

FOH with the pious bullshit. Any drug can be bought anywhere! She exhibited all the signs so I said what I fucking said, skinny & crazy bitches worldwide depend on good ol' Adderall to keep them bony & bouncy & pretending they don't is ridiculous! Most Hollywood starlets are buzzing on Adderall where do you think she got the idea from?!

^^ @R263

How hard is it to stand on the balcony, ooh and ahh at a bunch of planes, smile and engage with the people around you? It should not have been an issue, but Harry had no time for her, as did anyone around her. I’m not feeling sympathy - just pointing out that there was some weird shit going down on that balcony.

The video of Harry on the balcony certainly didn’t show him in a good light. There’s a moment where Trump says something to Melania and she makes a face similar to Meghan’s: wounded.

He’s a dick, too.

How did we miss George’s ‘fuck you’ wave as he left the balcony? Hilarious!

I wonder if the BRF had expressed that they preferred her to skip this one? So she leaked through her lapdog and turned up? So they were all acting extra salty?

Can someone post the video where Harry was an ass on the balcony?

Isn’t she on maternity leave ? There was no reason for her to show up yesterday except that she wanted the attention.

I think Sparkle has polluted the waters with the RF and they do not believe they can trust her.

Stories have been that even William and Harry have "tested" people they met to find if they were blabbing to the media about encounters with the brothers.

By marrying Sparkle, Harry opened the door and let her inside. Presumably, that means that where Harry is invited, Sparkle goes too.

In situations where the RF really hope to have some privacy (Balmoral between April and July, I think), would they want someone with them who they believe is not trustworthy? Someone who would leak to her "friends" either right away or sometime in the future? Taking photos, listening to their conversations, what they wear, eat, what their private time is like, etc. If you were in their situation, would you invite someone like that into your home?

That might explain why Harry (and correspondingly, Sparkle) were not at Balmoral, while most of the rest of the RF were there.

They don't trust her.

Her "friends" giving interviews, her father's negative comments about the Queen, George Clooney interjecting himself again into their lives - who needs that?

They just don't trust her.

They probably keep any conversation with her to a bare minimum, making sure that nothing of consequence is said so that there would be nothing of consequence that could be made public.

Trust is made and tenderly tended when one enters a family. It takes time for a newcomer to be accepted. And even longer for a newcomer to be trusted. And still longer for a newcomer to be on the same level as immediate members of the family. That kind of trust might never ensue.

Sparkle showed the RF, even before she married Harry with her VF cover story, that they cannot trust her.

I doubt they ever will.

[quote]He just looked like a prat snapping at her over nothing.

Actually his behavior was mean-spirited, callous and demeaning. Harry treated her like a dog. Never seen that side of him. That said, maybe she's finally getting a taste of her own medicine.

See r48 for video, r353.

People seeing what they want to see.

Phillip & Penny

Jecca looks like she's the same age as Carole Middleton.

Jecca's husband Johnathan Baillie...

Nothing ages you like sleeping with an old man.

It's like mother nature is trying to correct the huge age gap by making the younger partner older looking so the pair will 'match'.

Adderall does not age you. I'm on it for ADHD and it really makes a difference. It's not speed to me. It calms me down, helps me to focus, and has dramatically cut down on the racing thoughts. MM could have ADHD for all we know. Not everyone who takes it abuses it.

I suspect Kate's problem is bulimia and/or anorexia. She was a smoker. Not sure if she still smokes. All 3 of those things can age you fast.

R347 Anti-depressants don't age you either. Such nonsense.

Your poor liver...

R365 My liver is just fine, thanks. I get blood tests every month.

R359 Infidelity is acceptable in the royal family?

You can buy Phentermine (pharmaceutical amphetamine, the most powerful legal appetite suppressant there is) here for £50 a month from private clinics all over London. Stronger than Adderall. Maybe she took that. I know plenty here who do.

R344 That is fucking lie.

The Megstans seem very upset about her appearance yesterday, as the number of messages in my 'blocked' file has suddenly ballooned more than MM's face

R228 and R231, wow! One day a book is going to be written about Meghan and it's going to be fascinating.

Just learned I'm someone named Kaiser; who knew?

What's funnier is that these so-called medical professionals (all the way up to Masters/Ph.D levels!) have so much time to visit multiple gossip sites to learn to differentiate the various personalities.

They do all of this while working as mental health professionals and RNs and MPRNs and PH.D's...no wonder healthcare in this country is in shambles.

Umm, Im not the poster you're responding to but why can't medical professionals visit gossip forums over the weekend? What in god's nightgown are YOU doing on the DL if it's so beneath an educated person to visit here?

And Kaiser is head-frau at Celebitchy who is the pied piper of all "woke" fraus (oh, the irony!) who are Meghan-stans and Kate-haters. Even if you didn't know that, it has been referred to in all the BRF threads enough times.

Referred to by R373 only, the Celebitchy Troll.

I'm one of those bemused by Meghan's shenanigans who's now feeling a bit of sympathy for her.

She seems to be a social type, but does she have anyone out their in the burbs (besides staff)? Being a new (late) mother is hard, even if nanny/housekeeper/cook does the hard work. Having contact with other mothers or parents, hanging out with your babies together, is so helpful.

Or is she doing the upper class mom thing of handing off baby to staff and pursuing her fitness, beauty and social media regime?

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Oh fuck off. Im not the Celebitchy Troll. Neither did I agree with the adderall theory but you ARE being rather obvious and annoying in your defence.Block me and see how many posts disappear! (Answer- zero)

Have fun defending Your Lady Sussex's honour though. Might I suggest posting more high-res pictures of Jecca and Rose for deflection purposes?

R373 nailed it.

Spaz at R377, the Troll Roll Call happens on every thread and isn't aimed at you personally, Susan!

Yuge's Wedding Troll is back!

Guys, you don't really seem to understand middle class west London. She's already hung out there prior to PH and simply being on Suits will have given her cache with the rich young things and MiC type IGers. Other young posh mothers like Binky Felstead will welcome her. Victoria Beckham is a friend too and will have introduced her to more wealthy mums.

Neighbours at Notts C said she and H had lots of parties and those people will still be around. Windsor is only 10 miles from London. You act as if she's buried up in Scarborough or somewhere.

Yes he looked like a dick snapping at her on the balcony, the honeymoon's clearly over. I don't have any sympathy for her though. She should know protocol by now and she did exactly the same thing to him in the church at Eugenie's wedding, complete with eye-roll. Karma's a bitch! The deranged Meg-stans are seeing it as out of control sexual tension though. He's so desperate to get her knickers off & working on baby no. 2 that he bit her head off for the world to see apparently. I'd love to know how their minds work! Then again, maybe not.

Kate always strikes me as such a kind, loving, hands-on mother. The way she interacts with her children is quite touching. It's too bad the brothers aren't close anymore; Archie could use the stable, undramatic Cambridges in his corner.

Huh? We've gone over what we have seen with our own eyes for 70 installments. Were you unable to read those?

R234, why does MM keep get caught making creepy faces at Kate?

Well, at least there was no coat flicking on Saturday.

What's happened to the skin tight stuff she wore during pregnancy?

It's like she's had a complete character change.

I know you're not speaking to me in that tone, R384. And if you ARE? Then fuck right off, lass.

I honestly think MM is one step away from the edge. Compare her recent appearance to all the pics from her past. Gone is the insouciant; confident MM: in her place is a shell-shocked zombie just going through the motions. The attacks from her family, the press and the public, the rumours of yachting and salad-tossing, the rigours of pregnancy and childbirth, the obvious loss of her looks, sex appeal and figure, and the reality of being married to a very limited dullard whom she barely knew before marriage - all these have taken their toll. Stay tuned.

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R389, well, she needs enough time to get rid of the ton she (me-)gained.

Any other celebrity moms had a hard time regaining looks and figure after pregnancy?

Who is the fucking pathetic salad tossing troll? There is no sex video or we would have seen it. People would have seen it during the Suits years.

She hasn't 'lost her looks'. She's a month post partum. Check back in a year and we'll see if she's 'lost her looks'.

The BRF are fine with her or she wouldn't have been in the first carriage with Kate.

I think it's more likely that she was in the first carriage was so that her behaviour could be monitored.

And there is also the possibility that it would limit the booing.

Was there booing?

She has never been booed. The vast majority of people in the UK don't give a fuck about any of the royals. The people who think she spends too much on clothes also think Kate and Wills spend too much on vacations. The only ones who turn up to watch TTC are old fraus or tourists.

R394, a relative sent me a video from his phone, and yes there was. There were PC's visible in the video, facing the spectators, and they didn't raise an eyebrow.

R395, you are right there, my aging Auntie Thel is an old frau, obviously.

'Monitored' by whom, Saint Kate of the Yacht? Harry? What could they do? Maybe Kate could give Meg lessons in flashing her ass to the assembled troops.

Article in the press stating stans are FURIOUS they couldn't see her on the balcony.

I don't see a problem.

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Autumn 2049? Wishful thinking

r396, edit (for your privacy) and then post that video!

Sparkles appeared more addled than usual on Saturday. Not happy, glowing and peaceful, but instead mentally disturbed -- staring daggers at Kate, talking to herself, near tears, and jutting her jaw out the way she does.

The receipts about trawling for any rich Brit lad to sink her teeth into, all while living with a guy in Toronto ‐- this is quite obnoxious behavior. Sending threatening letters to the press and conducting subsequent cringey interviews and stories in Vanity Fair and People were appalling. The hiding out nonsense with the baby, planting stories about the RF and the hundred other games -- does she think the public can't see these things?

Oh, and to the idiot who said MeMe couldn't take drugs because it messes up the skin -- you must not have looked at her very closely.

I'm so curious to see what kind of personality George will end up having. He seems like a shy, quiet boy - just the opposite of his siblings. Will he be a reluctant king, I wonder.

I've no doubt that Harry has seen, and absorbed the full weight of, those stories of cheesy MM hunting those even cheesier reality stars and football players before her surprise landing of Dim Him.

And I'll bet that, Dim though he may be, he is beginning to dawn on the truth of her. And now that he's stuck with her, I'll bet that no matter how much he may love the baby, he's fucking furious and already beginning to think of a way out.

Oh, I think you're right, R404. What we see in his eyes and body language these days is anger and humiliation. I hope he feels like the world's biggest buffoon.

The end is nigh.

Can we please speculate about this?

Master Archie has been removed from the royal.uk website. He no longer has a social calendar page.

Now, I don’t think he should have been there in the first place, being only a couple of weeks old when the option appeared. But someone gave the order to IT or the webmaster. Who would have the authority to do that? And who noticed? And who ordered him removed?

It’s a small bit of drama, but I wonder about the power play there.

R407, that certainly was an interesting event. I can see it being a power play.....but from which side?

If it was done for a reason, the people that noticed, noticed. Forums, gossip sites, Tumblr, Twitter, Instagram.

Whoops, I mean, the people who "they" wanted to notice, noticed.

But who would "they" be, though?

On the Balcony Barney video. (Starts at 1:26), you can see MM's body in profile. She looks very boated, and her girth looks as though she is 6 months pregnant.

Can't open that other DL link?

On the Balcony Barney video. (Starts at 1:26), you can see MM's body in profile. She looks very boated, and her girth looks as though she is 6 months pregnant.

Reposting with link.

Holy shit she really does look 6 mo. pregnant. Wow.

That green outfit on Camilla is stunning. The hat, the choker; I approve!

Is anyone else really loving camilla? I find her to be hilarious and I'd want to be around her at these events. I'm really liking her and Kates relationship also.

R391 Debra Messing was super thin before she had her kid and unfortunately never went back to her original weight. I don't think Beyonce has ever gone back to being as slim as she was after her twins either.

R416. - Guilty also. I like the 'ol girl too. I know the history, the infidelity with Charles and the pain it caused Diana but I love her wicked sense of humour. She would be the life of any party I would imagine.

Oh, that's so great, R418!

I agree, R404. Harry might be convinced to dismiss the other things as nasty rumours, but the evidence that his wife was on the hunt for a rich and/or famous British bf is a bridge too far...proof that he was conned.

A touch of the Baby Janes here

Every other Insta linked officially to the Royal Family is out with best wishes to Prince Philip on his 98th birthday.

Except for one.

Ugh, r421. She's just, ugh....

I wonder if the Queen will slip Phil a little tongue for his bday.

The talking to no one pics and gifs are funny.. But out of context. 1 second after the gif ends, where the queen scratches her head and seems to be ignoring meghan, she replies to her and they all laugh.

Pics and gifs only show split seconds so.. It's fun, but I pity the fool who interpretes something into these split second gifs.

LOL r422, I wonder if Philip, at home alone at Wood Farm, has been reading the tabloids and caught wind of the "Meg was eagerly chasing any Z-list sleb the UK had on offer right before she landed with a thud on the RF" and made his opinions on the subject known...

R421 like that. Split second stills of faces in movement.

MeMe's crap PR is on the back foot.

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The consistent story about Camilla is that she's a lot of fun... I like the observation made upthread about her being likeable despite the pain she caused Diana. Two separate things. Life is complicated. I wish Charles and Diana had worked out... I wish Diana had been more settled in herself... she would have made a terrific Queen and was, I think despite everything, a good person at heart whose concern for real people in real life was genuine. But that was that, this is now, and Camilla is OK by me. Like the sinner, dislike the sin.

MM is being dragged through the mud by you bitter old queens. Same thing happens every time there’s a new female in the BRF.

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She will be at Ascot which is another carriage sitting and waving event. She needs pictures for her post quitting book and Oprah interviews.

She isn't being dragged through the mud. She wallows in it like a sow. A clueless sow, but nonetheless...

R369, people take legal speed for weight loss and docs do prescribe it. Now same as in the 60s. The criteria for ADD are very nebulous and self defined in adults. That may not be YOUR experience, but it is the experience of LOTS of others. Weight comes off quickly and easily and there is energy without hunger. Of course people in professions where low weight matters re on to that hack. Esp people as small as Me-Gain who have face structure that shows every pound. Certainly it cannot be ruled out.

R286 = Boris

R416 Yes, she seems real, as much of a cliche’ as that can be. No nonsense but knows her manners and seems to always do the right thing with warmth. (Not counting the whole affair with a married man situation.)

That vid at r421 is laugh out-loud-funny. The musical score is the punchline.

Camilla is the perfect royal Duchess. She looks every inch the part and she knows what’s expected of her. I hope that the arrival of Me! and her dismal performance increases the public fondness for Camilla and makes people forget the stupid deal about Camilla being “Princess Consort” instead of Queen Consort.

I"d like to knock back a couple of gin and tonics with Cam and have some lovely conversation.

Not Boris r435. Doofus.

Block R435 like the rest of us, R440. Do not feed the trolls! Do not read em either.

R383, not sure public outings knowingly in full sight of cameras is the best way to judge someone's parenting.

Whatever, R442. It was merely an observation. You don't always have to open your gigantic mouth to comment.

R432, that was an astute comment. She needs the photos.

Yes well, r383, the kind of affection she shows is really, really, hard to fake.

I’m loving Camilla too....she and Kate give each other support I think. She’s kind of a badass.

Not true, R442, you can tell a lot about people by the way kids interact with THEM.

There is that new BRF that kids seem to recoil from, is that who you are defending? The one who abandons rescue animals same as she ghosts humans?

Me-Gain does need the snaps. She is not going to be leaving with much else. Shame that baby has these 2 as parents.

Remember the letter her brother wrote, saying, do not do it! He may have had a point. The amount of chaos, drama and attempted harm to The Firm in only a year is pretty dramatic.

It's true - she and Kate really seem to get along in every photo, at every event. Good sign for harmonious relations between father/ son as well.

Like Camilla too and I Loved Diana . I think Camilla is the one to have a G&T with and I think she has a lot of tea to spill .

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Birthday greeting is up.

And the crying make-up artist was one of the first to " like " it.

Does she message them beforehand, or do him and Jessica Fishface have their noses to the old Instagram every second of the day? She's another one who usually reacts first to the Suck Sex account.

Or maybe I'm stupid and there is some kind of alert, lol.

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I doubt MeGain is resting, r450. She's either

1) Screaming at Harry

2) Screaming at the "non-existent" nanny

3) Screaming at Sara Latham

4) Cradling her insurance policy dramatically

5) Screaming at whomever is failing to get her thin fast enough via either exercise or pills

^^^^SPECTATORS

Agree with the poster upthread who observed that the move to FrogCott increased Sparkle's isolation from the rest of the family. It was probably a two-way street: when you make it clear you don't give a fuck what the family institution's requirements are, and you like playing PR wars, they're more likely to want you out of the way; and as Sparkle's narcissistic possessiveness included (as they always do) isolating the other partner from his family and friends so that he is totally dependent on her - the family obliged. Instead of the grand flat (just like the one the Cambridges got!) in the center of one of the world's most famous capitals . . . or at least a more modest one with a beautiful country home in the Cotswolds like the other A-list celebrities . . . Sparkle gets to have Harry ALL to herself in a pretty but busy suburb where her cousins- and sister-in-law are not likely to get into the habit of dropping in for a cuppa of an afternoon, bringing along the kids and doing the Happy Families Dance.

If she'd been less focused on her fucking "brand" and flexing her muscles to show they can't tell Tommy Markle's little girl what to do [sic], and more focused on becoming part of the family in more than just the Big Photo Ops On the Balcony And At Ascot And Remembrance Day, she might have ended up with that real family she never had, a friendly- brother and sister-in-law, cousins for her kids to play with nearby, less heat from the British press she insulted before the ring was ever on her finger . . . in fact, a happier woman.

She should have stopped caring about that brand bullshit the moment Harry pulled the engagement ring out, thanked God on bended knee for security, a measure of fame, lovely clothes, lovely homes, and shown her gratitude by doing her best for the firm and Britain - not using the BRF to feed her disordered dreams of global fame and power.

She should have, but she didn't, r455

Why is she calling him grandpa on the Instagram post? Everyone knows it's her account. Her hand that runs it.

His formal title is more than enough for her to use.

Because she NEEDS the world to know that she's FAMILY, r457

For her to do that she would have to be a different person, R455. Look how she has treated people and animals her whole life. The in-laws got the same. Still wonder WHO pays for the PR against the Cambs?

She is calling him Grandpa as a way to elevate the brand of little Archie.

There is a wonderful photo of Kate and the Duke on the Kensington Palace message.

I bet Markle spent hours looking for one of herself near him , that she could crop.

The Instagram accounts are interesting. W&K's make the Queen and Phillip the main image followed by William, then Kate. H&M? Harry and Phillip are first, of course. And I'm sure Meghan searched furiously for an image of herself with the old goat before finally giving up

I can see a young Charles in the young Philip here.

Philip and Charles.

Princess Eugenie posted some photos to honor her grandfather today.

The Cambridge kids are on the cover of Hello mag.

How old is Philip? He is the oldest descendant of Queen Victoria.

She does take bad photos like everyone.

Someone on Instagram is getting grief from Megastans for daring to question her fashion choice.

You can really see her bad nose job here.

I've never found Harry particularly attractive even in youth.

"I'm so over this shit. I want my bottle now".

R442 I tend to agree, although I was struck by the baby reaching to be held by his father. Shows Will is at least not a distant figure to him.

Prince Philip wasn't bad looking in his day. I don't think he had a very good childhood.

They are amused at the Braemar Games in Scotland.

Oi, Markle, no birthday greeting to his great grandpa from Archie?

You are slipping up, girl.

I’m afraid for Meg’s health. Because I have argued all along that she has mental problems that need to be seen to. Meg just doesn’t look like herself in the pic.

The only person I feel for in this situation is the baby. Markle and Harry are middle aged grown adults, who own the consequences of their decisions.

[Quote]She should have stopped caring about that brand bullshit the moment Harry pulled the engagement ring out

Good idea except for one tiny thing. Dimwit wanted a "hit the ground running" girl. She SOLD him a faux bill of goods. And now he looks like the DImwit he always was.

" The stars were aligned "....

More like she was aligning as many UK " stars " up as she could.

What the Harkles AREN'T doing at Frogmore these days.

You've changed so much.

Dayum r473, Gan Gan had some good taste!

R482 - She got hot for him at 13, never looked back, and never looked at another man.

R483-except. of course, for Andrew's real rumored real father. Note he is the only Windsor who retained his hair.

Goddamn it - just one real was sufficient. Where the fuck is an edit button when you need one?

R485, ME(weight)GAIN probably ate it.

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I think Piers M. is just stirring the pot. I doubt she was even invited. Her maternity leave was a perfect excuse, none of the royals except the Queen, Charles, and Camilla were photographed with Trump. The Cambridges and Harry were kept carefully out of direct photo ops, there were plenty of other royals on hand, this is just media shit-stirring. TTC is the Queen's birthday, it's over fairly quickly, and MM would have taken just as much opprobrium for missing that, if not more. Morgan hates her guts, we all know this.

As I'm R455 upthread, no one can accuse me of being a Meghanstan - but Morgan is a bottomfeeder and I really, really doubt Meghan was even given a choice in this. She's much less important than is supposed.

And as the Queen has stood there in gowns, sashes, family orders, tiaras, and massive jewels, laying out the family silver and plate for people like Robert Mugabe and Vladimir Putin (were there balloons floated over London then?), the fuss about a government ordered welcome for the less than admirable Head of one of Britain's oldest, richest and most powerful and important allies was ridiculous.

Piers dahling: Meghan really doesn't matter that much. No one missed her, no one cared.

R488 I agree and Harry should have stayed away too.

Piers has been missing Meghan for 3 years.

He's still salty about not getting a wedding invitation.

Do any of the female members of the RF wear a watch? I don't think I can remember seeing one.

Random question, I know, but I'm just doing some tidying and was wondering whether to send my grandmother's watch off for a service and clean. It is so petite, dainty, almost like a slim gold bracelet. God knows how she saw the time on it. And I got to thinking....

Meghan being at the State dinner would have been a PR nightmare: the US President, that's being hosted by her grandmother-in-law, called her nasty. The press would be beside themselves dissecting every blink, flicker of a cheek and whatever behavior that seemed 'off'.

Her attending would have given Trump a platform that the BRF would not want to deal with: to defend one of their own or to leave her to sink. And, as so many state here, optics are everything.

The issue of Meghan not attending are a waste of time and the media making a story out of nothing.

I think 've answered my own question.....it would be rude to be seen looking at one, maybe?

I've, dammit.

I don't think Markle has earned her place at a state dinner / banquet. Plus, she's not to be trusted to make polite small talk, most likely.

Plus, there is that small headache about her wanting to select her own tiara, lol.

R488 See that's the thing though - each individual instance is not a big deal but over time it adds up. I used to work with this woman who would regularly get contractors fired using this method: on the surface she was easy-peasy about missed deadlines, supportive about time off from work, understanding about being late in the morning - but in reality each infraction (that she encouraged!) would be documented and a letter placed, unknown to that individual, in a file. Then when they genuinely messed up (everyone does, eventually) instead of it being a first-time mistake there was a paper trail showing it as "the final straw" due to the fifteen previous small things documenting them as a 'bad employee'. And boom! That person would be fired before they even realized what was happening.

That's what this looks like to me - death by a thousand tiny bureaucratic cuts. And unless you've been in a working situation where most people stay on for 20-30 years it's hard to describe the slow creeping backstabbing that can occur. Some people play the long game, and the game for them is getting people they dislike fired.

The "Firm" will eventually "fire" the"Rogue Employee" who doesn't obey even the simplest rules and doesn't seem to care.

Blind Item #7

In the next movie this permanent A list mostly movie actor/sometime director directs, look for the alliterate former actress to make an appearance. More than a cameo, less than a supporting role. She has argued her husband and brother-in-law were in a movie, so she should also be able to.

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R498, what movie were Will and Harry in? I’m guessing a documentary?

Whatever it was must have filmed before October, because, you know, she was hugely pregnant very early on! (/s).

Meghan attending the Trump state dinner would have been out of the ordinary even if she and Donnie weren't beefing.

Kate didn't attend her first state dinner in the UK until October 2015, more than 4 years after she joined the BRF.

Meghan hasn't earned a spot at a state dinner on home soil/ hasn't learned enough about the job to have the responsibility of a Buck House state dinner.

R496, I agree. They’re giving her enough rope.

Her file must be bursting at the seams.

If I get to 98 and can walk without a walker, I'll die happy.

R490 in fairness, once Meghan royaled up, she could not consort with the likes of Piers “Addison DeWitt” Morgan.

R499, they made cameo appearances as Stormtroopers in The Last Jedi, but the scene was cut in the end.

R496 - I think you make a cogent argument for the "long game". I always regard the BRF as "government bureaucrats" In their sensibilities and cultural orientation. They HATE change. They DESPISE competition. They FEAR outsiders. Meghan Markle hasn't a clue what she is dealing with. Not the foggiest. The "grey men" are infinitely more skilled in the fine art of "slow creeping backstabbing" than she can ever imagine.

She may not come out of it looking like person who went in.

There are plenty of pictures of the Queen wearing a watch- but I don't remember any at formal occasions. Which would make sense.

Prince Charles in his Highgrove garden.

Photos showing the resemblance between Harry and grandpa Phil.

It's not surprising that a young and sheltered Princess Elizabeth was dazzled by her third cousin Philip the first time she met him.

Eugenie and Jack had dinner in Mayfair last Friday.

Prince Edward did manage to get in front when some of the royals were watching the Trooping festivities.

Imagine growing up surrounded by the typical inbred aristocrat and then seeing Philip, I think everyone can appreciate what little lilibet felt.

[QUOTE] Do any of the female members of the RF wear a watch? I don't think I can remember seeing one.

No. Because their ladies in waiting keep the time for them. Looking at ones watch would imply one is impatient with one’s duties, very unseemly for a royal.

Prince George tries to nick Prince Michael of Kent's program. I love the look Michael is giving him.

Now this is some baby carriage (or pram as they say in England). If anyone pushed this down the sidewalk, people would have to get out of your way.

Philip with Princess Anne's children, Peter and Zara Phillips.

Photos of Philip and daughter-in-law Sophie Wessex.

I think prams that size are more for walks on giant estates, not city streets.

I'm wondering what he looks like from the front. Perhaps the Queen's expression answers my question. LOL.

Fergie in the thick of things.

George was just downright bored. The Cambridge kids were deliberately being kept away from their cousins - remember last year's balcony appearance?

Fergie's always in the thick of things, just like her beastly daughters.

Garden Party for Harry at Marlborough House on Friday, his capacity of Commonwealth Youth Ambassador.

No mention of the vice-president, lol.

In his capacity, sheesh.

R518, visit a gentrified neighborhood of a major Western city and you'll see plenty of parents monopolizing the sidewalks with high-end prams.

George grabs the paper right out of his hands 😂

George's features are sharpening out as he ages. He looks more like his father every time I see him.

R496 - Interesting viewpoint and theory in there.

R488

Diana wore a slim 18K gold watch and I believe Kate has one, as well.

Prince Louis is trying out his nails on his father's face.

R372 What an asinine remark, yes all of us in healthcare (RNs, NPs, DNPs, PhD nurse researchers, etc...) must be "on" 24/7 to manage patients, we should only have interests in healthcare and nothing else. Do you apply the same rule to other professions? According to you, we should also never go on gossip forum even on our own time. No wonder nurses get caregiver fatigue, it's partly due to people like you. Healthcare providers keep odd schedules because the hospitals and clinics don't operate 9-5 hours, so what if we're on message boards? Am a DNP now, but I used to work regular 12-hour night shifts as ICU RN twice a week while putting myself through master's/doctorate programs. Yes, nurses do online shop or go on message boards when on breaks or during down time (patients stable, sleeping) and trying to stay awake at 3am sitting in front of patients' monitors.

Regarding adderall, it's a psychostimulant with neurotoxic side effects when abused. It's just one type of amphetamine salts that we prescribe to treat ADHD but it's not first-line treatment because of high potential for dependence and abuse. Basically one of the effects of adderall is it inhibits the reuptake of dopamine (the feel-good, rewards neurotransmitter). Simply put, the resultant excess dopamine is what can give you a "high" but long-term it can have opposite effect in that you find yourself needing more just to get by or feel same buzz. Even if as someone said upthread about being prescribed adderall for weight loss, it's done very infrequently and not without caution. I doubt Meghan, being a smart person, would flippantly take adderall let alone be a habitual user. With her very controlling, micro-managing personality from what we know, I just don't see her doing it. Controlling food intake and over-exercising? That I can see, just my opinion.

With Kate and bulimia rumors, I don't see that either. She doesn't fit that profile either, generalizing here but bulimics tend to be average or even overweight. I'm talking about long-term bulimics, and the eroding tooth enamel would be noticeable too. Her teeth are just fine. If we're going down this rabbit hole, it would probably fit more with restrictive eating and/ or over-exercising, which are not uncommon for women with similar backgrounds. But even at that it's not a disorder per se. Personally I don't think Kate is too thin but she shouldn't lose more weight not an ounce more. While she's thinner than her sportier build during her 20s, she's still very toned (look at her legs for example) which is one telltale sign of anorexia. Likely she's someone who is very disciplined in diet and exercise, and she obviously likes being at this weight. She's never been overweight child and has always been into sports, she's not likely to have matronly weight with mommy-bod, not if she can help it. I do think her face would look slightly better if she'd put on even just 2 kilos though.

R515 Thought I recognized that pram!

R530, you’ve convinced me that you know something about something. Can you give your opinion about what might be causing MM’s new appearance? I promise I won’t give you grief for armchair diagnosis (although others might). It’s okay with me if you speculate as to what *might* be causing it.

I’m not a fan of MM’s, but as a fellow human being, I do have some concern that she doesn’t appear to be well. And yes, I’m all too aware of the physical changes postpartum. She just seems to be retaining an awful lot of fluid.

And if you feel like speculating about possible causes of Charles’s complexion and swollen fingers, I’d be curious to know what his deal might be.

Thanks in advance.

I second your requests, r532. Thanks in advance too, r530.

It is precisely some "controll freak" like Meghan who would start to take Adderall, and succumb to its addictive power, yet completely in denial of said addiction, due to her controlling tendencies, R530.

yet remain*

R534, I agree. Of course most doctors would refuse to prescribe it for off-label use, but there are always some who are crooked. People manage to find them. Look at that quack who was giving Michael Jackson a dose of fucking propofol! Jesus, my in-laws get a Z-pack every time they cough.

Scathing DM Comments on ME-GAIN:

How gratifying that the balcony show she must have been counting on was utterly stolen by Prince Louis. And on top of that, 1) she was back in the doorway shadows almost not there, and 2) Harry seems to have put her in her place over something, as she goes instantly from jabbering mindlessly at him to staring just as mindlessly into the distance. Not the comeback you were expecting, Ducks?

I'm no fan of Meghan Markle - although I do enjoy her starring role in The Modern Day Adventures of Becky Sharp - but even I felt sorry watching her getting repeatedly barked at by her husband while in front of millions of people and then blinking back tears.

(If she couldn't turn around at that moment because 'God Save the Queen' was about to play, he should have just told her that. No need to be so rude.)

[quote] Am a DNP now, but I used to work regular 12-hour night shifts as ICU RN twice a week while putting myself through master's/doctorate programs.

[quote] I am in the medical field, been a nurse 8 years, have a master's and doctorate in nursing practice, both practice as NP and teach at university level to undergrad nursing students.

Shots for every time R530 mentions her medical qualifications or her work.

[quote] all of us in healthcare (RNs, NPs, DNPs, PhD nurse researchers, etc...)

Double shots for multi-lettered qualifications

Since MeMe's main currency is her body, of course she would use stimulants and nicotine to keep it preying mantis thin. Lots of cocaine rumors around her for years, so yeah, an adderall or other amphetamine here or there would be just the ticket. The clicking teeth, fast eye blinking, nonstop chatter to no-one, etc., are recognizable behaviors, let's put it that way.

I have no qualifications other than an abundance of time wasted on gossip sites, but for this thread it is plenty sufficient.

R541 Yup. That's is why I find R530 so amusing.

[Quote]she goes instantly from jabbering mindlessly at him to staring just as mindlessly into the distance

The **ultimate** Talking to no one.

R487-Piers is a whinging cunt, so I can't take his sanctimonious puffery seriously.

R543 - those white shoulder pads (or whatever you call them) are quite atrocious. It must be a Givenchy sample because it's so poorly made. It looks like something went horribly wrong in a beginner's sewing class. The student would get a failing grade.

R545, I can’t figure those things out. Are they supposed to resemble epaulets? Burp cloths? I can almost understand if they were a contrast cap-sleeve. But they just sort of hang there. Weird.

Are those epaulettes on top of raglan sleeves on her dress?? Has that ever been done before. What a mess.

I haven’t been following these threads for a while so forgive me if this has already been mentioned but what is the deal with Princess Anne and her husband?

They always look miserable together and I get the impression that they seem to be married in name only by this point.

The Bad Hat.

[quote] I get the impression that they seem to be married in name only

R548 That could describe so many royal couples at different times. Chuck and Cam live in different houses and vacation separately but they put on a good show when they're together. Perhaps absence makes the heart grow fonder. Andrew and Fergie lived in different wings of the same house or in different houses over the years. Now they seem to have their way back to each other.

Maybe Anne and Tim should expand their real estate portfolio for the sake of the marriage.

Three people gone too soon - Diana, David Bowie and George Michael. Elton John is still among us.

DM throwing real shade - 'MM channeling her beautiful mother Doria', referring to online comments that MM now looks like her mother. Pretty sure that's the last thing she wants....

R540. I have no doubt that Meg would have used substances to control her weight. It’s not that easy to stay bone thin.

I've never thought of Meghan as "thin" but she was "slim" in the past. I don't know if her square box body can be truly thin. She has an ample derriere as well. The only "thin" thing on her is her stick bird legs. That's it.

R530 R539. My doc just gave me adderall for weight loss. I don’t see any effects. Could it be because it’s only 5mg per day? Thanks, .

And Adderall would help her in her perfectionism. I love it too, Hitler loved it too. Most Nazi families were on it.

I wonder if the sleeves on MM's dress were originally meant to be taken in, but then couldn't be at the last minute because of her weight situation. That might explain why the sleeves were just hanging there loose not even attached to the dress.

Didn't Amanda Bynes balloon up when she stopped taking Adderall?

R540, which is it? Meghan was a nobody actress on a low-level Canadian soap that no one watched/talked about or she was known enough by people like you to know about her cocaine usage for YEARS? The girl's boring by all means and here you guys are making her over as if she's some circus freak!

I can't wait for the next royal bride/groom; completely burned out on the posters obsessed with Meghan.

Meghan's hat looks fine to me. The carriage outfit was also fine in my book. That includes the gloves. The balcony dress with the epaulettes atop raglan sleeves looks all kinds of wrong. The notch and the contrasting colour gives the appearance of wings. I'd have to see the full dress to say if it's truly hideous but that feature alone is barf worthy.

I wonder what kind of relationship Philip has with his grandchildren? The Queen is allegedly closest to Anne's children, especially Peter.

I think Meg might be on licit drugs, e.g., anti-depressants or whatever. Some of those can blow someone up. It looks to me that Meg has gained weight since the photoshoot with the baby. I never believed all that stuff about Meg’s “clean living” and “virtuous eating”. She supposedly won’t let Harry touch anything, but Meg herself drank, smoked pot and at least smoked cigarettes on occasion. I believe the “vegan” thing started like yesterday. Meg is trendy, if anything.

R559, fyi, we've already had another royal groom by now.

Unlike Mrs Harry though, Eugenie's husband doesn't behave like a dick.

Freaks like R540 are smelling up the thread.

The DM has a Filled With Shade But Not So's You'd Notice piece up about how fans are just gushing over how much like her (black) mother Meghan looks now with that fuller face. Of course, all the comments cited in the article are cooingly admiring and positive.

"As well as being thrilled at getting a glimpse of the Duchess, royal fans were bowled over by Meghan's resemblance to her mother, Doria, on the day.

Posting side-by-side photos of the Duchess who stunned in bespoke pieces by Givenchy, next to images of her mother, fans gushed about their likeness. "

Only the cooing comments, as the DM knows quite well, are not what Meghan cares about. After a lifetime of trying NOT to look like her mother, I'm sure Meghan is just thrilled to see the side by side photos that tell the truth that her nose job and straightened hair have been trying to slide over for the last 20 years.

I can just see the wincing behind the walls of the FrogCott.

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Contrary to Will's aloof and reserved image, hes always seemed very at ease and natural talking to people. Some of that famed Diana charisma, to my mind. But of course I know that's an unpopular opinion, what with Harry being the people's prince for almost a decase- I just never saw it with that one. He puts on a good show though.

Could be my penchant for serious and sober men though (even if balding). I don't know.

**decade

Awhile back William cut balding hair shorter. The Harkle Stans on Celebitchy said he did that to take attention from some wonderous and heart warming PR thing The Harkles did 😂 yes, that is the level is cray over there and now here

R555. a former partner of mine was prone to extreme weight gain and on adderall for ADHD. The medicine did nothing to help my ex-partner lose weight, from what I could tell. Like all medications, it probably gets different results on different people.

Megan’s hat is perfectly cute. Frankly, I’m sick of the flying saucers. White gloves, however, would have nicely complemented those white shoulders.

Markle has an "ample derriere" since when? Those were butt pads on Suits -- her ass is broad and flat like her father's. The ladies on LSA have a good laugh about it.

Now that the baby's here is Haz allowed to hit the booze and coke yet, at home? I mean on these little trips out of town, sure live it up Haz baby, but it seems a little cruel that he has to wait until Sparkles can partake. Sniff sniff

R570 it lowers your hunger, you can go very long without eating much and feel full of energy. Of course if you keep eating like a fat person, you will remain fat. You can eat. It doesn't cut your fat internally.

Doria is more attractive now than she used to be. She’s not close to being beautiful, but I think there’s something appealing about her face. She seems calm and kind (I have no idea what she’s really like).

I wonder what she looked like in her flight attendant uniform. Why haven’t we seen those photos?

R574 - It would have been perfectly cute if it didn't call attention to how fat her face is right now. You don't put on a hat half the size of your bloated face if you're trying to deflect attention from how much weight you've put on with the baby. It was a bad choice with the chubby cheeks and the great big caped shoulders of the tent she was swimming in. And, the colour was awful on her. So, bad colour and bad proportions. The hat itself was in offensive - it was just a bad choice for her right now.

^*inoffensive

R576

R564 you sound like a person who thinks only dirty criminals take drugs. Most people with money are drug users. Her jaw movements and conversation face are clearly recognizeable, even if subtle.

R575-Simple. Those photos don't exist because Doria was never a flight attendant. A weird rumor perhaps to put Doria on equal footing with Ma Middleton.

Doria does have a serene prescence. At the same time, she seems detached from MM and barely spent any time w her grandbaby.

If my kid married into the BRF, I would love to camp out in a MIL suite for a few weeks.

Doria was maybe there 2 weeks. They do not seem close at all.

MM is very isolated and Prince H will get more and more passive aggressive.

R579, I know; was just being facetious. *winks*

I do think Doria has a cute face, though.

No photos of Doria being a make-up artist on set, either.

And yet there seem to be thousands of Markle/ Raglan / Ragland pictures about.

R520. Yes, Sarah, Duchess of York is in the thick of things--and she fits right in--much more so than Markle. Sarah is a natural with that family. I think they like her. In addition to Andrew and Edward in that photo, the queen is also part of that circle. If the queen didn't want to be seen or photographed with Sarah, she wouldn't. The queen obviously has no problem standing there chatting. The hatchet is officially buried. Philip may be the only holdout, and he's probably softened since Sarah was photographed standing right behind him in the official photo at Eugenie's wedding. Sarah has all but officially returned to the RF. Remarriage between Sarah and Andrew is on the horizon.

Sarah Ferguson will be back on the balcony next year, or definitely by the year after.

Royal's siblings.

What do these women have against a good bra? The only one among them who doesn’t have boobs at her waist is Kate!

And maybe Anne. I’ve never noticed her bosom, so it must be in check.

IF She were nursing, it’s likely she would be slimmer by now..it’s weird, because she was slim and fit prior to pregnancy..think it would be easier to drop weight. May be just retaining fluid? I have no idea. Only med that really puffs one up is anti-psychotics. If she did have PPD, it could cur with psychosis...she is under a lot of stress

OR possibly anxiolytics, for nerves and slow metabolism?

Maybe she had some health issues with pregnancy?

Can somebody tells me how Harry and Meg’s “Happy Birthday, Grandpa” greeting sounds to a Brit? To me it sounds a bit informal and hokey. Does Harry call Phil “Grandpa”?

Who in the heck will they choose for the godparents?

When Fergie was splitting from Prince Andrew, she had a meeting with the Queen.

It has been reported that when asked what she (Fergie) wanted, Fergie replied "Your friendship, Ma'am."

Among the most incredible notions posted in these threads is the idea that Megan would lie about her mother being a stewardess in order to put herself on a par with the Middletons. Just how does being the daughter a scullery maid in the sky elevate you in the eyes of others?

Is there any credible evidence that Kate has bulimia? I think she’s lost weight because of stress.

R592 If that story is true, then Fergie is a hell of a lot smarter than I've been giving her credit for.

I agree, Doria and Meghan, despite their desire to appear so, are not close. Doria probably knows Meghan too well to get risk getting sucked into Meghan's orbit - Meghan is the type that sucks all the air out of the room, if ever there was one. Doria is, however, the only family Meghan has suitable for photo ops that prove that she has any family ties at all. So Doria obliges and then gets out of Dodge as fast as she can.

R593 - "Just how does being the daughter a scullery maid in the sky elevate you in the eyes of others?" Dear me, what a bigoted thing to say about air hostesses.

An air hostess died in that recent plane crash helping passengers evacuate it. She was doing her job. You know, part of every scullery maid's job is to see that the family gets out if the house is on fire, right?

R589, I think the possibility for health complications was high and the reason they opted out of presenting the baby on the hospital steps.

They weren't sure if she would require a C-Section or encounter other issues, requiring a longer stay in the hospital and they didn't feel making all of that public was necessary.

She may still be suffering from health issues following the birth of her baby and I sympathize with her on that. Childbirth is still a major cause of death, even in the US, and factoring in this is her first baby and her age...it wasn't going to be a cake walk. Anyone thinking otherwise is beyond deluded.

R591 - Oh, guessing here, but one Clooney, one Mulroney, one Serena Williams (for colour), and either one token white aristo from Harry's set to prove they all just love rather than hate her - a von Straubenzee or the Inskip fellow - and/or alternate for the aristo would be Zara Tindall, even if she is a commoner with no title, as a nod to the "Remember who this baby is related to" meme .

New thread is up.

Let's start the other one.

I believe that's true R595 but of course wasn't actually there that day. Sarah literally grew up with Andrew under QM's watch, and took far less $$ in the divorce in exchange for keeping ties with her Maj. In the end, she will have made a good deal.

[Quote]Who in the heck will they choose for the godparents?

Meghan - If you see this call me at1 800 RUU SYCO

I see it, now.

Looking like Doria isn't a bad thing. Doria looks good for her age.

Does anyone here lip read? What exactly does Harry say to MM beginning at 1:14 at the clip at r48, that makes her look so upset? She turned around to ask him something, then turned back around with a fallen face. Harry looked irritated no question.

IT sounds overly familiar and rude. especially as they refer to themselves as HRH at every turn, should extend the courtesy especially to elders.