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Halloween 2018 Thread 2

Haters and Lovers welcome to continue the discussion....

as we head into a possible Halloween 2020!!

by Anonymousreply 376July 19, 2019 11:40 PM

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/22317874

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by Anonymousreply 1June 8, 2019 8:20 PM

What does MM wear under those coveralls?

by Anonymousreply 2June 8, 2019 8:21 PM

I hope in the next one they go back to basics and have MM stalking babysitters. Forget the bastardized Laurie Strode character and her dull as dishwater granddaughter.

by Anonymousreply 3June 8, 2019 8:21 PM

Nothing. He freeballs!!!

And his balls are like TENNIS BALLS!!!

by Anonymousreply 4June 8, 2019 8:21 PM

R3- I am kinda cool with that. Jamie lee and the granddaughter are going to be back. They SHOULD give the grand-d some EDGE.

I am down with that and agree-

by Anonymousreply 5June 8, 2019 8:22 PM

I think Laurie should get killed in the opening like in Resurrection. Enough with the Strode lineage. Michael continue to slaughter babysitters he's become infatuated with.

by Anonymousreply 6June 8, 2019 8:23 PM

FUCK THAT R6!!!!! And Resurrection is an abomination!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 7June 8, 2019 8:24 PM

Suddenly I want to go down on MM. The hottest actor to play him was part 5’s Don Shanks, who is still fit.

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by Anonymousreply 8June 8, 2019 8:24 PM

Michael Myers has a huge cock. He's a bohemoth!!!

The only person she could not satisfy is DL's own "Momma"- as she is insatiable!!!!

by Anonymousreply 9June 8, 2019 8:27 PM

Shame he’s never used it, not even to jack off.

by Anonymousreply 10June 8, 2019 8:28 PM

Previous thread

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/22317874

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by Anonymousreply 11June 8, 2019 8:28 PM

LS should never be killed. I agree with someone who mentioned Nancy from the Freddy movies. Should have never killed her nor Alice from F13.

If they want to move on from LS for now, that's fine. Not too long because MM is in his 60's and she in her 50's, though she sadly looks like she is in her 70's. FFS JLC, spruce yourself up a little.

But when they are done with this particular storyline (before rebooting from the beginning) LS should "kill" MM.

by Anonymousreply 12June 8, 2019 8:29 PM

R7, I didn't say they should REMAKE Resurrection.

by Anonymousreply 13June 8, 2019 8:35 PM

You might be in luck, R8. I got a vibe from him at conventions. I think you'd definitely be in luck with the kid who played MM in the original.

by Anonymousreply 14June 8, 2019 8:36 PM

I wouldn’t hate it if the new film was a whodunnit with a Michael Myers copycat who gets killed in the final minutes by the real MM. How many stories are still left to tell, honestly?

by Anonymousreply 15June 8, 2019 8:40 PM

r15 It is a slasher/horror franchise. They don't really need more "stories" but just solid films that deliver some tense moments/kills/scares and a great climax. However, of all the horror franchises, Halloween has had the better actual stories. The Freddy movies were close. Killing off Nancy was a mistake because they could have used that story arc a lot more.

There is a lot to tell still with the LS arc and a lot to tell without. They can use her strategically at this point. They did take away some story elements when they took away the brother angle.

by Anonymousreply 16June 8, 2019 8:55 PM

I guess there’s something less dangerous about a sixty year old man, especially in a “realistic” horror movie. Give us someone who poses more of a genuine physical threat.

by Anonymousreply 17June 8, 2019 9:12 PM

r17 A psychotic man, regardless of age, is a physical threat.

by Anonymousreply 18June 8, 2019 9:16 PM

So how do they get him out of the basement engulfed in flames????

by Anonymousreply 19June 8, 2019 10:15 PM

Am I the only one who thought the new movie would have been about a trillion times better if they'd combined the granddaughter character with her fun babysitter friend? Have her get killed in place of her friend and raise the stakes. The new movie played it way too safe.

by Anonymousreply 20June 8, 2019 10:19 PM

On the last thread, someone mentioned Kevin Williamson's contribution to H20 and I do think that helped in creating a fully formed Laurie. This new movie needed a good gay or chick to help out with the female characters. Danny McBride and David Gordon Green clearly don't know the first thing about women.

Maybe they can at least bring in a ghostwriter to strengthen the characters a bit for the next one. It's desperately needed. I don't think people give Debra Hill enough credit for giving the women in Halloween a realistic voice. And I don't think they give John Carpenter enough credit for knowing that he might be in over his head on the girl talk angle and giving that to Debra.

I'm thrilled to hear that Carpenter will probably be back to score the next film. His score was excellent and one of the really wonderful parts of the new film.

by Anonymousreply 21June 8, 2019 10:26 PM

R21- You heard that Carpenter may be back!!?? Where!!???

The score should have gotten an Oscar nomination. Yes, I said it. Its fucking awesome.

by Anonymousreply 22June 8, 2019 10:30 PM

Am I the only one who likes a lot of John Ottman's original score for H20 (before it was chopped up and replaced/mixed with Marco Beltrami's Scream and Mimic scores)? It's a bit too whimsical at times and sounds like what would happen if Danny Elfman scored a Halloween movie, but there's some parts I really love. The opening theme is beautiful and grand and the new version of The Shape Stalks (which plays when Michael fiddles with the keys and when Will is stabbed) is super exciting.

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by Anonymousreply 23June 8, 2019 10:30 PM

R23- I had no idea this existed!!!!!!!! Let me check it out-

Again, the score for H20 SUCKED BALLS IN HELL

Pretty- like something from a 1960's horror film.

Its fucked.

by Anonymousreply 24June 8, 2019 10:37 PM

R23- Just watched that video. Both versions SUCK. But I will say that I like Ottman's better. It has some kind of originality.

Again, the scoring of H20 is TOO ORCHESTRAL.

So classy. So 1950's....

Its 40% of the problem with the film.

Why did no one even consider Carpenter scoring it??

The whole thing is too glossy. Just like the kills. It's SOFT as fuck.

Now I am hating H20 again.

by Anonymousreply 25June 8, 2019 10:41 PM

[quote]I think you'd definitely be in luck with the kid who played MM in the original.

Will Sandin grew up to be a total hottie.

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by Anonymousreply 26June 8, 2019 10:48 PM

The score for H20 had to be scrapped at the last minute. What’s in the final film is literally temp tracks from Scream, Scream 2, and Mimic. That’s why it doesn’t have a consistent thruline and seems deriviative.

Imagine getting fired from Halloween H20 and then winning an Oscar for editing Bohemian Rhapsody. It’s inspiring in a way.

by Anonymousreply 27June 8, 2019 10:52 PM

I want to say Jamie Lee approached both Carpenter and Hill first with the idea of H20. Hill was all in, but Carpenter declined. I'm not sure if he just wasn't interested or wouldn't be paid enough or what, but he didn't want to be a part of it. I doubt he would have come back and scored it. Or maybe he would have and they were just scared to ask after he turned them down to write and/or direct it.

by Anonymousreply 28June 8, 2019 10:53 PM

I like a good deal of Ottman's score, but there are some parts that feel super cheesy. It does have a Danny Elfman feel, which would be fine if Tim Burton had directed H20, but it didn't fit the film that it was scored for. I'm assuming it was thrown out pretty close to the release date, so they didn't have time to find another composer. There are some pieces in the score that must have been composed by Beltrami because they aren't on Ottman's CD that aren't from Scream or Mimic, so I'm wondering if they brought Beltrami in to do a few new cues and then used cues from his other score to plug in the cracks.

For example, these tracks...

by Anonymousreply 29June 8, 2019 10:56 PM

I would’ve liked this film more if they kept the mythology, said Laurie survived the events of Resurrection — she was, after all, Michael’s sister still — and picked up from there. All the retcons made me resentful since the previous sequels were much better than this one.

I could believe the Laurie from H20 could turn into the Laurie from H40 instead of Laurie from the original turning right into H40. In all honesty, it would’ve changed VERY little in the finished film.

by Anonymousreply 30June 8, 2019 10:57 PM

This sounds very Beltrami, but you can hear the shades of the original Halloween themes brought in before going back into Ottman's work around 0:35 in.

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by Anonymousreply 31June 8, 2019 10:57 PM

This is probably my favorite cue from the film and it feels very Beltrami meets Carpenter. Ottman definitely didn't compose this one, but it's not from any of Beltrami's other work.

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by Anonymousreply 32June 8, 2019 10:58 PM

This person should have scored H20. A great mix of the classic Carpenter sound with a bit of an orchestral twist.

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by Anonymousreply 33June 8, 2019 10:59 PM

R32- he took key piano chords from Carpenter- that's why it sounds good.

There were 3-4 moments in the film (H20) where they used very short versions of original scores, but the majority of the H20 score is a shitshow Boston Pops Orchestra from a 1950's potboiler!

by Anonymousreply 34June 8, 2019 11:05 PM

R33- HOLY SHIT- This guy is BRILLIANT!

Perfect balance of new and old. Thank you for sharing this gem.

Everybody check this out!!! Amazing.

by Anonymousreply 35June 8, 2019 11:07 PM

R33- This guy nailed it!!! Unreal.

by Anonymousreply 36June 8, 2019 11:11 PM

r30 I wouldn't have been opposed to that. But Carpenter was and they wanted his input.

by Anonymousreply 37June 8, 2019 11:12 PM

Christ, I even agree with R30-

Huge fan of Halloween 2018, but I need to say that elements from all of the sequels could have been honored (quite easily, in fact)

They guys ignored multiple films, so they could have ignored "elements" of each- it would have made no difference

by Anonymousreply 38June 8, 2019 11:15 PM

R49 Looks great for 50. Why didn't he pursue an acting career after Halloween?

by Anonymousreply 39June 8, 2019 11:23 PM

^^R26

by Anonymousreply 40June 8, 2019 11:24 PM

R38, there were references to all the previous films actually. They were mostly subtle clues and rip-offs of scenes that were better executed elsewhere. They just ended up making me resentful because we lost them in the continuity and this is the cheap consolation we get? It also made me wish I was watching one of the better sequels.

by Anonymousreply 41June 9, 2019 2:22 AM

If they kept the H20 continuity, they also would’ve had a lot of potential with the Josh Harnett character. How did the massacre effect him? How does he relate to his mother differently? Is he a survivalist or did he try to go a normal road? I like Judy Greer a lot and I think she did a great job, but her character was essentially just an underwritten wet blanket.

I think there was a lot of prestige attached to the film because McBride and Green had success elsewhere. But for as pretentious as they spoke about their aspirations for the film, they really had very little understanding of the material. Stick douchey comedies and warmed-over Oscar bait.

by Anonymousreply 42June 9, 2019 2:26 AM

[Quote] I think Kevin Williamson had a lot to do with how well Laurie was portrayed in H20. He proved he was able to portray three dimensional female characters with traumatic pasts with Sidney in Scream.

Too bad that kind of writing didn't seem to extend to The Vampire Diaries lol

[Quote] ! And Resurrection is an abomination!!!!!!!

It's terrible but they gave Busta Rhymes a few good one liners. It's also hilarious listening to them talk about technology and the future of reality tv.

[Quote] I agree with someone who mentioned Nancy from the Freddy movies. Should have never killed her nor Alice from F13.

Well at least she came back for New Nightmare. Which had some.....interesting ideas.

by Anonymousreply 43June 9, 2019 3:53 AM

McBride and Green just weren't the right folks for this. I remember Green being attached to the remake of Suspiria about a decade ago, too, and I imagine that would have been equally as lousy. He's a pedestrian, workman-like director at best. No flair for building tension, suspense, or horror. Everyone thinks they can do horror, but very few can do it well.

by Anonymousreply 44June 9, 2019 4:06 AM

For me, the problem was that the new film felt like a movie made for people who have never seen a slasher movie before. If this was their first time at the rodeo, maybe it plays better, but for seasoned horror fans, it felt a bit warmed over and uninspired. We'd seen some of the exact same moments and concepts executed better elsewhere.

It also felt like a movie made by people who'd never seen a horror film before.

by Anonymousreply 45June 9, 2019 4:08 AM

r45 To be fair, some scenes were easter eggs to previous movies.

H2018 really is a good movie but it really lacked in some key places esp the ending.

by Anonymousreply 46June 9, 2019 5:35 AM

I'd be into some Michael Myers porn. He seems like the strong, silent type.

by Anonymousreply 47June 9, 2019 5:49 AM

r47 He would be James Deen level slapping, spitting and throwing chicks around.

by Anonymousreply 48June 9, 2019 5:54 AM

Michael might make for a good fuck

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by Anonymousreply 49June 9, 2019 5:55 AM

The movie could have been saved with some minor editing. The plot device to get Laurie and Michael together again was incredibly stupid when you could have just made Michael target the granddaughter. Not only would it have played more like an homage to the original, which was clearly what they were going for, it would have made much more sense and made Allyson a much more active character. They also could have done away with the tension deflating comedy bits which dragged on for uncomfortably long. The male characters either completely ineffectual or total assholes. The journalists were completely unnecessary too. It's like their entire purpose was to give Michael his mask. The film felt like a lazy rough draft, but with competent acting and direction, and a decent score. It's a shame that so much of the movie's problems could have been fixed with a simple rewrite.

by Anonymousreply 50June 9, 2019 5:59 AM

OP is an Aspie cyberstalker who has to manically obsess over something now that Call Me By Your Name isn’t getting a reunion sequel.

by Anonymousreply 51June 9, 2019 6:13 AM

I like the Choose Your Own Adventure-ness of Halloween. The movies still exist, and for me, there's different movies for different moods. I even occasionally pop in Resurrection. But RZ2 can burn in hell.

And thanks to a computer error, I got the 15 disc set for FREE!

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by Anonymousreply 52June 9, 2019 6:54 AM

[Quote] The journalists were completely unnecessary too. It's like their entire purpose was to give Michael his mask.

Still bugs the fuck out of me that she didn't try to run away.

by Anonymousreply 53June 9, 2019 10:09 AM

I think most people would like to forget Halloween 5, 6 (both cuts) and Resurrection took place. I cannot blame them for wanting to sweep shitty sequels under the rug.

by Anonymousreply 54June 9, 2019 2:34 PM

r50 He could have targeted the granddaughter but how would he know it was LS granddaughter? The whole point was to get LS and MM back together. Why was the plot device stupid? Having the doctor facilitate a reunion made sense. He was obsessed with LS (both MM and the doctor) so for him to find her he needed the doctor to bring him to her.

by Anonymousreply 55June 9, 2019 2:49 PM

Paul Rudd was a cutie in part 6 but that cult shit was no bueno.

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by Anonymousreply 56June 9, 2019 2:58 PM

R53- SHE DID!!! She was trying to crawl under the stalls!!!

by Anonymousreply 57June 9, 2019 3:00 PM

r57 But she did have a chance to escape at one point. Watch again. She had a clear window of time where she could have run out of that stall and the door.

by Anonymousreply 58June 9, 2019 3:03 PM

Exactly R58

by Anonymousreply 59June 9, 2019 3:06 PM

I will rewatch- Wasn't he in front of the door the entire time??? Wait a second!!! You mean when Michael fought with the guy?? I forgot that the guy came in during/or after!!

I actually loved that scene. I actually liked the British podcast couple.

by Anonymousreply 60June 9, 2019 3:07 PM

I liked the whole journo thing as well.

Yes, when the male journo first came in she had a decent window of time to run. Easily could have escaped.

by Anonymousreply 61June 9, 2019 3:14 PM

There was a point where Michael was beating the guy's head in in the corner of the bathroom. The tea bag had plenty of time to fart out of the stall and out the door.

by Anonymousreply 62June 9, 2019 3:25 PM

dart out of the stall

by Anonymousreply 63June 9, 2019 3:25 PM

r62 Well, fart out of the stall and out the door works, too! LOL

by Anonymousreply 64June 9, 2019 3:31 PM

R54, it’s interesting you say that. I finally sat down and watched Halloween 5 this past fall. I’d seen bits and pits again through the years on AMC, but I hadn’t really watched it in about twenty years. I remember being disappointed with it initially, but I think it was mostly because of the fact that they ignored the excellent climax of the previous film (which I’ve always found quite boring aside from the third act). Mute Jamie wasn’t as interesting as Serial Killer Jamie would’ve been.

But aside from the flaws and unnecessary goofiness (a trap McBride/Green fell into as well), there’s some really effective sequences, like MM chasing Jamie down with the car in the cornfield and the whole house finale.

I still prefer it either cut of Halloween 6, which I’ve never been able to finish a rewatch of.

by Anonymousreply 65June 9, 2019 3:31 PM

Apparently, they did have to reshoot the climax of H2018. Yet, they couldn't have made it more exciting? I guess they only had a limited amount of time so maybe that is why it feels a bit rushed. I'd love to see the original ending.

by Anonymousreply 66June 9, 2019 3:37 PM

Yeah, I don't know why it wasn't included on the DVD. Part of it was shown in the trailer too. Then Michael disappears among the mannequins.

by Anonymousreply 67June 9, 2019 3:43 PM

[Quote] Then Michael disappears among the mannequins.

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by Anonymousreply 68June 9, 2019 4:05 PM

R55 This is something that wouldn't need to be explained. Laurie was chosen because she was a kickass heroine. That's all you need really. Having said that, any type of supernatural would have been less stupid than what we got. After the bus crash, you could remove Sartain's character and it would have very little consequence to the story.

by Anonymousreply 69June 9, 2019 6:06 PM

^^supernatural explanation

by Anonymousreply 70June 9, 2019 6:07 PM

The best thing about part 5 were those opening credits.

by Anonymousreply 71June 9, 2019 6:13 PM

r69 Making any kind of supernatural explanation would have made the movie far less scary. Jason became a joke, to me, when it was clear he had some kind of supernatural ability. Instant lack of realness for me so he became someone I felt I could never actually encounter in my life.

LS is a badass. The doctor was needed for him to find LS. Othewise, unless she hunted him, he would have never found her and thus no reunion.

by Anonymousreply 72June 9, 2019 6:28 PM

Part 5 SUCKED!!!! Poor Rachel!!! AND- these numbskulls shot themselves in the foot at the BEGINNING of the film!!! WTF!!????

And they left us with Tina!!! (And I liked Tina, but she definitely needed a watchable counterpart like Rachel-

Horrible film, unmemorable death scenes- bad soundtrack, and I recall it looking CHEAP (as did Part 4, but I did enjoy that- however it has not aged well)

by Anonymousreply 73June 9, 2019 6:31 PM

The fact that parts 4 and 5 were shot in SLC, Utah and featured a gigantic gothic mansion as the Myers house make them reprehensible in my eyes. At least the putrid Resurrection had a Myers house that came close to the original.

by Anonymousreply 74June 9, 2019 6:39 PM

I don't rewatch any of the sequels except 2 and H20. The rest were trash. MM chasing a kid? Boring. And then they brutally kill her off in a way that was such a slap in the face to the character and LS.

It is almost astounding the bad decisions made when making sequels. I think F13 (and Freddy movies) did the best job. Part 2 was great and paid homage to Alice because she was killed in a memorable way and given a great scene that lasted awhile and she was also mentioned later in the movie plus seen at the end as a skeleton wearing the same outfit she was killed in AND with the ice pick still in her head. Great use of details. I loved it! I didn't want her killed. I think her being alive out there would have been great motivation for Jason to keep looking for the girl who killed his mommy.

Halloween sequels except for those I mentioned, lacked so much. H20 was the first were I felt they paid attention more to details fans appreciate.

by Anonymousreply 75June 9, 2019 6:42 PM

[quote] The doctor was needed for him to find LS. Othewise, unless she hunted him, he would have never found her and thus no reunion.

The granddaughter could have led him to Laurie if Michael had been stalking her. In the movie, he ends up following her to the house anyway. I also don't see anything wrong with Laurie hunting Michael. It's clear that she's a formidable foe.

[quote] Making any kind of supernatural explanation would have made the movie far less scary.

I agree. I'm not saying it was needed but having one would have been just as disappointing as making Sartain such a cartoon villain and obvious plot device.

by Anonymousreply 76June 9, 2019 6:43 PM

r76 I can see where you are going with him stalking the granddaughter and her leading him to LS. LS actually did hunt him down and find him during the movie. It could have stayed in that lane, so to speak, and gone from there. It would have made sense.

by Anonymousreply 77June 9, 2019 6:46 PM

It's fascinating because H20 and the reboot are good and bad in such different ways. The reboot nailed Michael's look, the music, and the atmosphere whereas H20 had better characters and a really satisfying climax.

by Anonymousreply 78June 9, 2019 6:53 PM

I never liked Laurie’s look in H20. She looked too much like JLC. They nailed the hair in H2018, which is a much better wig than the one JLC wore in H II. I also didn’t think H20’s Carrie/Laurie acted much like how we know the character to be—reserved and quiet.

by Anonymousreply 79June 9, 2019 6:57 PM

I don't understand this "satisfying climax" in H20. The film never takes off to me. But it is a "quality" film.

Just not horror.

by Anonymousreply 80June 9, 2019 7:00 PM

r80 Really? I find the climax one of the best. When she finally decides she isn't running from him anymore. When they come face to face for the first time in 20 years. When she grabs the ax and screams "MIIIICHAELLLL!" gave me chills. Their cat and mouse games. Her knowing he wasn't dead and taking the morgue van and driving off with him in it. The end where he holds out his hand to her and she is fighting back tears and extends her hand to him.

I do wish they could have incorporated at least H20 in the timeline! She could have been gearing up for him for 20 years instead of 40.

by Anonymousreply 81June 9, 2019 7:24 PM

I found it silly to have the doctor twist in. the new film when they could have easily found a better way to bring Michael to Laurie. She was already securing the neighborhood and saw him in that house. She'd already found him.

In my dream world, Michael chases Allyson, kills her, and this could prompt the Judy Greer character to finally realize that her mother has been right all these years and have those two team up to find and destroy him. That would have been much more powerful.

by Anonymousreply 82June 9, 2019 8:14 PM

Yes, r82, perhaps killing her granddaughter would have led to a much more intense last 1/3 of the film.

I wish the granddaughter would have been the babysitter of the black kid. The kid was funny when he was interacting with the babysitter but it was criminal they didn't either reshoot or rewrite his reaction to MM. Any tension from what MM did to the babysitter was instantly gone after that.

by Anonymousreply 83June 9, 2019 9:37 PM

[Quote] It is almost astounding the bad decisions made when making sequels. I think F13 (and Freddy movies) did the best job.

I like most of the F13 movies. Except for the one with the telekinesis. And the ridiculous part 9.

The first 3 NOES films are fine and then they just continue to get stupider with each sequel. New Nightmare was ok. And Freddy vs Jason had a few memorable one liners (thanks to Kelly Rowland).

by Anonymousreply 84June 10, 2019 3:42 AM

r84 Oh I'm not talking about F13 past 3 or maybe 4. After that, it was a shit storm. Part 2 and 3 were really good, esp 2. I found it scarier than the original. Very well done. I see the original F13 is Fresh now on RT and has a full popcorn on audience score now. Finally getting its due. It is a very effective horror film.

by Anonymousreply 85June 10, 2019 3:51 AM

Part 3 is my favourite Jason movie. And part 4 is good too.

The first NOES will always be the best. But the sequel is great due to the homoerotic vibe.

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by Anonymousreply 86June 10, 2019 6:08 AM

I wonder if they'll get this underway in enough time for a 2020 release.

by Anonymousreply 87June 10, 2019 6:09 AM

r87 I'm sure they will.

by Anonymousreply 88June 10, 2019 6:14 AM

It doesn’t look like David Gordon Green or Danny McBride are coming back. That’s honestly for the best. But for all her caterwauling about how she’s only do another one if they were attached, JLC seems to be a lock for the sequel. Just call it a nice paycheck, we’d respect it more.

by Anonymousreply 89June 10, 2019 7:28 AM

[Quote] It doesn’t look like David Gordon Green or Danny McBride are coming back.

Good.

by Anonymousreply 90June 10, 2019 10:55 AM

R85- I AGREE Part 2 had the best heroine ever (Ginny) a killer opening 10 minutes and an EXTREMELY suspenseful final 20 minutes.

The entire chase through the woods with Ginny is VERY well done..

"Paul! There's someone in this fucking room!!!!!"

I also loved Part 3!!!! Its a gory, fun, film!!!

Part 4- Is the ULTIMATE. I still put Part 2 slightly ahead. The original is 3rd on my list, probably ties with Part 3.

by Anonymousreply 91June 10, 2019 3:18 PM

Someone please start a Friday the 13th appreciation thread so we can get back to Halloween?

by Anonymousreply 92June 10, 2019 5:44 PM

The Halloween series has always been weird. At least Friday the 13th was, more or less, a crowd pleaser. The first 4 knew what they were and actually managed to wrangle some tension and a few scares out of it. Halloween always felt like a soap opera to me with all the relatives and cults and reboots. There are quite a few Friday and Nightmare films that I return to, but I only return to Halloween, Halloween II, Season of the Witch, The Return of Michael Myers, and H20. Those are all fairly solid. The rest are pretty shitty (and that definitely includes the new one).

by Anonymousreply 93June 10, 2019 6:50 PM

r93 But when Halloween was good, it was GOOD. Original, H2, H20, H2018.

Sorry to bring it up again, but yes Ginny was a great heroine, she pissed herself and was honestly saved by Paul. Alice, I think, was the best. She's the original, she handed a very tough Mrs. Voohees with ease, and yes, Jason surprised her but she knew something was up. That damn cat is what caused her to let her guard down. Otherwise, she would have gotten away. I think I read that was the plan until she wanted out of the film. She was supposed to show up and help Ginny at the end. I don't see part 4 as being anywhere close to the original or even 3. It was just effective and less shitty than what came after it.

Back to Halloween- JLC, I think, recognized later on the flaws of this film. She enjoyed working with these guys but whoever is tapped for the sequel must be someone she is also ok with and esp if Carpenter is back.

by Anonymousreply 94June 10, 2019 7:09 PM

I think Jamie is cool if then script is good- At her age?? To play a kick ass woman? I think she thrilled.

Very much like Sigourney who was totally onboard with the Neil Bloomkamp(sp) Alien film..

These roles are tough to find at any age.

R94- is that true??? Adrienne wanted out of the film??? Why do I remember it differently, that she was so disappointed!??

Holy shit I would have LOVED to see a Ginny/Alice duo at the end of part 2!!!

And yeah, sorry, I LOVED Part 4!!!

by Anonymousreply 95June 10, 2019 7:36 PM

Adrienne had a really bad stalker after the first film.

by Anonymousreply 96June 10, 2019 8:05 PM

r95 Yeah, she wanted out due to the stalker. I think the plan was to have Alice/Ginny team up on Jason. Paul would have been killed. I believe, Alice would have evaded Jason at the beginning which motivated her to return at the end. She was disappointed they killed Alice off.

JS was badass in H20. The end when she stepped up gave me chill bumps. I do think JLC is happy to play a tough woman at her age. She should, at this point, be up to all H sequels to preserve the legacy of LS as long as they don't kill her off.

by Anonymousreply 97June 10, 2019 8:28 PM

[quote] Back to Halloween- JLC, I think, recognized later on the flaws of this film.

Yeah, the movie could have been excellent had they just spent more time on the script. Everything from the cast to the filmmaking were top notch. Such a shame.

by Anonymousreply 98June 10, 2019 8:36 PM

Jamie Lee seems to have warmed up to the idea that she'll forever be THE scream queen. She even did a horror convention a few years ago. If she just wanted to make money, she could make bank by doing those for the rest of her life. I'm sure it didn't hurt that the new Halloween was apparently the biggest box office debut for a movie with a female lead over 50 of all time and she got pretty great reviews (even though, if we're honest, she got nothing to do). Jason Blum is known for saving money during production by not paying his big stars a huge salary and, instead, offering them a percentage of the gross, which is an incredibly smart move.

Jamie Lee always escapes from even the worst movies unscathed. It's certainly never her fault if the movies suck. She always turns in a strong, respectable performance even if the film itself doesn't deserve it. Hell, she's not even bad in Halloween: Resurrection.

by Anonymousreply 99June 10, 2019 8:40 PM

r98 The flaws were minor but irritating. But most people I know loved the film regardless. The only ones who seem to have some issues with it are the hardcore fans.

by Anonymousreply 100June 10, 2019 8:40 PM

What I have loved is how seriously fans here took Halloween 2018- down to every plot point , etc.

When it comes to a a horror film, I am much more forgiving, I guess. You guys are hardcore and look for quality. And I respect that!!

I love Halloween 2018- Ive said it before and I will say it again-

I hope there is more Jamie Lee in the sequel.

by Anonymousreply 101June 10, 2019 9:05 PM

r101 YES! And look how fast part II has filled up. Already 102 replies.

Are you the OP of the first thread?

H2018 gave the series back to us. After H Res and Rob Zombie's stupid films (although there was some legit quality to them), I feel like we have righted wrongs. It felt so good to get our franchise back.

JLC needs to be involved in the franchise from here on. There are various ways she can do it without every film being about her and MM. However, I think many fans and casual viewers like the JS/MM aspect of the movies. He can be a psycho killer who wants to kill every one in his path but also have a special need to go after LS.

by Anonymousreply 102June 10, 2019 10:31 PM

The good thing about the Halloween films, even the shitty ones, is that they’re usually always fun to watch in a theater when they first come out. With the exception of Resurrection and Curse of M.M., you usually don’t realize certain aspects of it aren’t great until after the fact. When H2018 came out, it was amazing to watch on the big screen. At first glance I loved it. It wasn’t until later on that I really thought about how the Sartain storyline didn’t really fit and it was clear how the finished product was re-edited.

by Anonymousreply 103June 11, 2019 2:09 AM

R103 I went with my best friend who is an even bigger fan of the original than I am. I walked out really happy until he talked me down from it breaking down every plot point and contrivance. You accept certain things in the original like the moving of the bodies and tombstone, the 2 minute hookup in the beginning, and other such things, but these are little goofs that one can snicker at. The flaws in this new movie aren't cute like in the original, they are total WTF moments.

by Anonymousreply 104June 11, 2019 2:39 AM

[Quote] Adrienne had a really bad stalker after the first film.

Neve Campbell did too after filming Scream.

[Quote] Jamie Lee seems to have warmed up to the idea that she'll forever be THE scream queen.

I think that was obvious after she signed on for Scream Queens lol

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by Anonymousreply 105June 11, 2019 6:58 AM

JLC has a legacy and I think she will keep open the idea of playing LS if the material is there.

by Anonymousreply 106June 11, 2019 4:55 PM

Scream Queens gave poor Jamie Lee nothing to do. I find her incredibly funny and here she was in a horror-comedy and was given no big laugh lines or standout horror set pieces. WTF, Ryan Murphy? He's usually pretty good about throwing some decent bones to actresses over 50. Jessica Lange usually got one or two truly excellent scenes or monologues every year on AHS and his Nip/Tuck guests stars were normally given a few moments to shine.

by Anonymousreply 107June 11, 2019 8:19 PM

Scream Queens was horse shit garbage, with some decent eye candy

by Anonymousreply 108June 11, 2019 9:04 PM

R107 Jamie Lee was great in the first season of Scream Queens and was even nominated for an Emmy or Golden Globe (can't remember which). I haven't seen the second season but heard it wasn't so great.

by Anonymousreply 109June 11, 2019 9:54 PM

R108 that it was!

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by Anonymousreply 110June 12, 2019 1:57 PM

Scream Queens was so bad it was offensive. It didn't need to be as bad as it was. No excuse.

by Anonymousreply 111June 13, 2019 12:03 AM

R111 It was going for camp. I thought it succeeded more often than it failed. Jamie Lee and Niecy Nash were the best parts.

by Anonymousreply 112June 13, 2019 12:26 AM

R112 yes! Nancy was great!

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by Anonymousreply 113June 13, 2019 1:00 AM

I found Scream Queens enjoyable enough and she was good on it, but she didn’t have a lot to do.

She should stick with the Halloweens and be the new Loomis. But the thing that bugs me about her is how she talks up some pretty lousy movies she makes as important art. She’s in the paycheck business. There’s nothing wrong with that. A girl’s gotta eat and it’s hard out there for an actress her age. But I’m getting bored of her pontificating on these movies as if Hitchcock directed them then trashing them after we spent our money.

H40 was not a movie about a woman dealing with long term trauma. It was a movie where a bunch of a straight douchebros dressed her up in Linda Hamilton drag and handed her a shot gun.

by Anonymousreply 114June 16, 2019 6:32 AM

I agree with r20 and r82. They should have killed off Allyson. Plus I found the babysitter friend much more likable.

I'm glad JLC has embraced her Scream Queen status. Through much of the later '80s and '90s, she resisted it. But I think being able to play roles in different genres helped. She was great in comedies (Trading Places, A Fish Called Wanda), action (True Lies), drama (Dominick & Eugene, My Girl) that she diversified her resume and didn't have to run from the title anymore. H20 proved she could be the Scream Queen and a damn good actress both in the same film.

And agree with r22 - Carpenter should have gotten an Oscar nomination.

by Anonymousreply 115June 16, 2019 6:54 AM

She should do another disco sequence ala Prom Night.

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by Anonymousreply 116June 16, 2019 8:38 AM

How come Terror Train is the only horror movie that hasn't been remade? You'd think it'd be prime for a reboot with all the #draglife #translife these days.

by Anonymousreply 117June 16, 2019 12:16 PM

It was R117- It was a shitty 3rd rate film called Train starring the chick from American Beauty

by Anonymousreply 118June 16, 2019 1:37 PM

R115, it was an excellent score. But seeing as he wrote it with two other people —basically unheard of—and is notoriously lazy when it comes to the Halloween franchise, I’m sure very, very little of it is his own composition.

by Anonymousreply 119June 16, 2019 2:58 PM

I want to see a good remake of 'Prom Night'. I've only seen the newer one. I wasn't even born when the original came out and I have never been able to find it on TV. I've heard it wasn't the best but a decent horror movie.

by Anonymousreply 120June 16, 2019 11:37 PM

Apparently, there was an all black horror movie that Blumhouse made called Thriller that was dumped onto Netflix a month or two back and it looks exactly like a modern update on Prom Night right down to the opening prank that kills a child.

by Anonymousreply 121June 16, 2019 11:55 PM

I really don't think Jamie Lee Curtis gets enough credit as an actress. I've never seen her give a bad performance. I've seen her in bad movies, but they're never bad because of her. She's one of the few who can almost overcome bad material. It's a special skill to have. She was good in this new movie in spite of the terrible writing for her character. I felt like I didn't know this new Laurie at all and the film spent absolutely no time trying to get us to know her all over again, but we had more than enough time with her boring granddaughter and her douchebag boyfriend. I was shocked that they didn't find a way to kill him off.

The writers said they had a reason to not kill him off because he had a purpose in the sequel, but if they're not writing the sequel, will he still end up having a reason for existing?

by Anonymousreply 122June 16, 2019 11:59 PM

[quote]I want to see a good remake of 'Prom Night'. I've only seen the newer one. I wasn't even born when the original came out and I have never been able to find it on TV. I've heard it wasn't the best but a decent horror movie.

Good gawd you’re young. I love the original film. The remake was trash. It did not need a remake. Even the shitty non-related Hello Mary Lou Prom Night 2 was better than the PN remake.

by Anonymousreply 123June 17, 2019 1:02 AM

r123 I'm about to be 34. I watched it on youtube. I loved it!

by Anonymousreply 124June 17, 2019 1:52 AM

So the Spectrum Psycho is still talking to itself?

Give it a rest!

F & F

by Anonymousreply 125June 17, 2019 1:57 AM

I attended a screening of Prom Night and some of the actors were there.

Agree with r122, Jamie Lee Curtis is a consistent and reliable actress. She was completely miscast as Dorothy Stratten in a TV movie about the late Playboy model but Curtis was still good in the role.

She was the best thing about True Lies.

by Anonymousreply 126June 17, 2019 2:07 AM

The remake of PN was nothing like the original. What a pointless and awful remake. Why bother? It was a total rewrite.

by Anonymousreply 127June 17, 2019 2:15 AM

R122 and R126, watch Virus and get get back to us.

by Anonymousreply 128June 17, 2019 2:21 AM

Nothing memorable or new happens in the Halloween remake. That said, so many of the sequels were so bad this will probably be top 5 for me in Halloween films. I like the first Rob Zombie one too.

by Anonymousreply 129June 17, 2019 2:21 AM

R120 I didn't see the original Prom Night either till I bought it on dvd a couple of years ago.

I wouldn't bother with the remake unless you're a huge fan of Brittany Snow or Jonathan Scaech. There's nothing overly memorable about it aside from one of the girls dresses and seeing Idris Elba spout cheesy one liners.

by Anonymousreply 130June 17, 2019 6:22 AM

r130 Too late. It was awful. I just watched the original PN and I LOVED it.

I do like Brittany Snow from when I watched Guiding Light and the Pitch Perfect movies.

by Anonymousreply 131June 17, 2019 6:28 AM

The original Prom Night is good. It has one of the best chase scenes in horror featuring Wendy (it inspired the chase scene with Sarah Michelle Gellar in I Know What You Did Last Summer). It has issues, though. Like Leslie Nielsen completely disappearing in the third act (did the budget run out?) when he should have been in the last scene with Curtis for the reveal of the killer.

But I appreciate it had a bit more a sombre tone than most horror films. The death/murder of a child and the ending is downbeat and rather tragic. It ends on a sad note rather than the final scare that is used ad nauseum in horror.

by Anonymousreply 132June 17, 2019 6:32 AM

r132 YES! As a relatively newbie, I loved the Wendy chase scene. She gave him a run for him money but just lost out at the last minute. It really felt like she had him beat.

It was a very interesting film and I stayed glued to my computer throughout. The remake should have attempted to be something like this. Why didn't it? Even as a young 20 something, the remake (of a film I had never seen) was horrible.

by Anonymousreply 133June 17, 2019 6:39 AM

And can I add, who was the actor who played the killer? He was HOT. I actually sympathized with him. I usually don't find 70'd era guys hot but he was.

by Anonymousreply 134June 17, 2019 6:40 AM

Michael Tough r134. He now works in real estate.

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by Anonymousreply 135June 17, 2019 6:44 AM

r135 He was so fucking hot. So cute! Is he gay?

by Anonymousreply 136June 17, 2019 6:45 AM

I believe he is married with children.

The actor who played Nick, Casey Stevens, died of AIDS.

by Anonymousreply 137June 17, 2019 6:52 AM

Nick wasn't as cute, to me, as the killer. How tragic!

JLC was wonderful. Lou was hot and Wendy was Regina George in the 70's.

by Anonymousreply 138June 17, 2019 6:54 AM

If you're on the horror convention circuit, Michael Tough is still very good looking and in great shape.

by Anonymousreply 139June 17, 2019 9:47 AM

Regarding Prom Night 1979- I would have let the thug Italian guy who was beheaded mount me like a hedge post!!!!

Two films that I have to give credit to from that Slasher period-

Happy Birthday To Me and Prom Night- both were higher end. They looked much higher budget and cast two higher end stars of the day- They were more on the end of suspense thriller than full gore slasher.

Ms. Melissa Sue Anderson and the Barroness Jamie Lee Curtis.

And fuck Leslie Nielsen too. And Happy Birthday To Me had a higher end director END Gerald Ford in it!!! Or whatever the fuck his name was.

by Anonymousreply 140June 17, 2019 1:52 PM

Never heard of Happy Birthday to Me but will look for it.

PN was very, very good. I never find it on TV. Even with JLC in it, it is never played.

by Anonymousreply 141June 17, 2019 1:55 PM

[Quote] I do like Brittany Snow from when I watched Guiding Light and the Pitch Perfect movies.

I don't mind her. I loved John Tucked Must Die and the first 2 PP movies are fun. It's a shame that GG spin-off didn't work out for her.

[Quote] The remake should have attempted to be something like this. Why didn't it? Even as a young 20 something, the remake (of a film I had never seen) was horrible.

Lisa's chase scene was the only "decent" part of the remake.

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by Anonymousreply 142June 17, 2019 1:57 PM

Happy BD To Me featured a pre-Young & the Restless Tracey Bergman in the cast. There’s just something about those early 80s Canadian slashers, including My Bloody Valentine.

by Anonymousreply 143June 17, 2019 6:01 PM

^Bregman

by Anonymousreply 144June 17, 2019 6:01 PM

Prom Night used to play on TV a bit when I was growing up. That's where I first saw it. However, until the Blu-Ray release, it always looked like shit. Super dark and murky.

Hello Mary Lou has nothing to do with the original, but it's a wonderful, super fun movie that more people should check out. It screams "late 80's horror" to me with all the fashions, hairstyles, Nightmare on Elm Street-esque set pieces, and campy humor.

by Anonymousreply 145June 17, 2019 6:11 PM

Prom Night has always been one of the most interesting slashers of that period, because it focuses more on the mystery and characters. A lot of slasher fans seem to find it boring, but I never have. I always liked the ones that kinda did their own thing. Night School, Madhouse, The Initiation, and other movies like that attempted the same thing and tried to give their stories a little more meat on their bones.

by Anonymousreply 146June 17, 2019 6:12 PM

r146 I've always heard about it from my mom and having watched on youtube yesterday it was very interesting and well done. The beginning with the kids was super scary and creepy. That death was a bit disturbing.

by Anonymousreply 147June 17, 2019 6:19 PM

It looked like shit. I watched it because I like the original and it was on the movie channel. Why is Jason Blum attached to every effing horror movie that gets released, did he buy the rights to the horror genre?

by Anonymousreply 148June 17, 2019 6:20 PM

r148 Maybe he can do a proper remake of Prom Night.

by Anonymousreply 149June 17, 2019 6:25 PM

I watched it again for the 15th time last night and I still love it. Michael has never been so scary.

by Anonymousreply 150June 17, 2019 6:32 PM

Prom Night remake didn't work for me because I thought Johnathon Schaech was too sexy and too young to play the psycho killer teacher. I sure as hell wouldn't mind having a killer stalker who looks like this.

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by Anonymousreply 151June 17, 2019 6:45 PM

The remake didn't work because it really didn't even remotely follow the original and was just terrible like the remake for "When A Stranger Calls". I was 10 when my mom was watching the original one night on TV. Must've been '95 or so. I've NEVER been more scared in my life from a movie for a long time. That whole "inside the house" was horrifying. The ending when he came back and showed himself in bed with her!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 152June 17, 2019 7:11 PM

Prom Night is SUPER DARK in its photography- I think that was by design-

That chase scene throughout the school in particular-

I fucking love that disco music that they really made sound like disco songs of the day!!!

It actually has a great finale, which many horror movies do not have.

If the deaths were gorier I would give Prom Night a 10!!! As it stands, a solid 6.5. It is a class above the rest.

Happy Birthday To Me, is FAR superior. Oh my god, that blue bathroom should be iconic. The whole "creative deaths" bullshit, is just that- BULLSHIT- and they don't show enough to make it that interesting. But the I love the film's excellent production values and menacing tone- It plays a murder mystery. And that finale!!! It is so over the top and outlandish, and I love it!!!!!

And my god Tracey Bregman has had SUPERB work- SUPERB plastic surgery. It looks like she had her entire mouth ripped out and replaced with another mouth and jaw between 1980 and now!

And christ, is it any wonder that Melissa Sue Anderson was such a cunt considering Mary being blind, Mary's baby being used as a battering ram, and then this character? Fuck!!! How old was she, 17-18???

by Anonymousreply 153June 17, 2019 7:20 PM

^^ Fucking hell. It plays LIKE A MURDER MYSTERY..

And I LOVE the film's excellent production values...

I really should read this shit before I post.

by Anonymousreply 154June 17, 2019 7:22 PM

I'm waiting for the day when John Carpenter says that Resurrection is not canon. In my mind, the series really did end with Laurie decapitating Michael. If I ever buy the box set, I'm selling Resurrection and the RZ remakes of 1 and 2 and keeping the rest. Like someone else said, Laurie should not be killed off this time. She's already dead in the other 2 continuities.

by Anonymousreply 155June 17, 2019 7:38 PM

Resurrection is an abomination. And I am cool with forgetting Part 5 as well. Fuck, even Part 4 has not really aged that well.

Halloween 2 should have been completely honored in the remake. H20 is really weak, but I would have been cool with Josh Hartnett in the remake as the son!!

by Anonymousreply 156June 17, 2019 7:42 PM

Happy Birthday To Me apparently had a lot of the gore taken out by the MPAA, so I think that's to blame for the neutered death scenes. A lot of the slashers in the 80's suffered from the MPAA. It wasn't until the early 2000s that the MPAA seemed to let just about any violence and gore slide. Even watching something like The Walking Dead on AMC has way more gore and violence that a lot of the R rated slasher flicks of the 80's. I never thought that would happen. When I was a kid, every horror movie on TV was cut to ribbons.

by Anonymousreply 157June 17, 2019 9:11 PM

Can someone start a fucking Prom Night Thread so we can get back Halloween?

by Anonymousreply 158June 17, 2019 10:04 PM

I agree with the other posters regarding the look of the original Prom Night. I never watched it because it looked like a filmstrip you’d see in health class in the 70’s. I’ll give it a chance after a 4K restoration.

R156, I agree about Halloween 4. I’ve always found it very overrated. It’s very, very slow and boring. The characters are uninteresting. Rachel has all the worst qualities of JLC in the original and none of the good ones. She’s unattractive, charmless, shrill, and lacks any star power.

I honestly think the reason it gets the positive reception it does is basically the last five minutes is excellent and that’s what people remember when it’s over.

Still not as bad as Halloween 6. I’ll even take Resurrection over the Curse of Michael Myers. The Zombie films shouldn’t even be called Halloween because they’re so detached from the material.

by Anonymousreply 159June 17, 2019 10:12 PM

R159 = The Ghost of Rebecca Shaeffer

by Anonymousreply 160June 17, 2019 10:23 PM

No, Resurrection is no canon to me. I prefer the timeline of Original, H2 and H20. They really could have made H2018 as a sequel to H20. LS could have had a daughter after H20. I think the whole "woman power" thing really sold it to her and JCarpenter wouldn't have signed on without this being a direct sequel to the original.

Resurrection will never be accepted by me. Ever.

r158 Oh come on! They have a common link.

by Anonymousreply 161June 17, 2019 10:33 PM

Oh and LS is only dead in the Resurrection timeline. She is alive in the new timeline and RZ's movies.

by Anonymousreply 162June 17, 2019 10:35 PM

R159, R156 here. Too funny, the only thing I LIKED about Part 4, was Rachel!!!!

However, none of the film has aged well. It looks SUPER cheap. Utah was NOT a good filming location. The music sucks. Once again, little gore...

I loved it in 1988 because I was 11. Now, not so much. Part 5 is unwatchable upon further review.

I know that the original Halloween had nearly no gore, and people put Carpenter on this pedestal for his artistry in that respect, HOWEVER. by 1981 when he wrote/produced Halloween 2 he knew that times had changed and the actually re-edited Rick Rubin's film (and I think had reshoots) to add more gore!! People seem to forget that. That is part of the reason I loved Halloween 2018- It had some GREAT gore and effects. What I found most incredibly effective was how many of the death scenes were not shown happening, but you saw the bodies after. And my god this F/X guy created some horrifying dead bodies (and those expressions on the faces, etc) Truly scary stuff. I love special effects and that kind of thing.

by Anonymousreply 163June 18, 2019 12:09 AM

[Quote] Why is Jason Blum attached to every effing horror movie that gets released, did he buy the rights to the horror genre?

Lol I've been wondering the same thing.

[Quote] Prom Night remake didn't work for me because I thought Johnathon Schaech was too sexy and too young to play the psycho killer teacher. I sure as hell wouldn't mind having a killer stalker who looks like this.

He was so skinny too. I'm used to the bulkier Jonathan (like in Poison Ivy 2).

by Anonymousreply 164June 18, 2019 2:03 AM

4 has some good moments. I LOVE the opening credits. They really set a nice mood, but it should have been shot in anamorphic like the first three, H20, Resurrection, and the new one. It doesn't feel like a Halloween movie without that to me. You can really get those great wide shots of tree lined streets, trick 'r treaters, and decorations in that aspect ratio.

To me, 6 and 8 are the only truly unredeemable entries. The producer's cut of 6 is slightly more tolerable, but you realize the story was just a bad idea from the start. It's just that this version is at least more competently told. 8 is ok until they kill off Laurie and then it goes from bad to worse. 5 also isn't excellent, but it looks good and Danielle Harris gives a great performance.

In retrospect, they really should have stick with the anthology idea. I wish Season of the Witch hadn't bombed.

by Anonymousreply 165June 18, 2019 2:42 AM

I haven't seen H20 in a while. Is there a reason why the guy couldn't take off Michael's mask at the end??

by Anonymousreply 166June 18, 2019 3:26 AM

I think 4 gets some love because remember, back in 1988, it had been 7 years since the last film about Michael Myers. It was the right time. Like it was the right time for Halloween 2018. Sometimes it's just about timing.

I liked the atmosphere and Danielle Harris was very good (and in 5 as well), although in 5 I got so tired of her screaming "TEEE-NA!" that I was relieved when they finally killed off Tina.

by Anonymousreply 167June 18, 2019 4:09 AM

I just watched Happy Birthday To Me. Really, really good. I don't know about that twist ending but damn it was a tense and well made movie. Thanks for the recommendation!

by Anonymousreply 168June 18, 2019 4:17 AM

Prom Night has been out for a few years on Blu-ray, from Synapse films, and they did a great job cleaning that movie up and brightening the dark scenes.

by Anonymousreply 169June 18, 2019 5:52 AM

It's interesting that Jamie Lee's early horror films like The Fog, Terror Train and Prom Night, she gets high billing but her roles are not very substantial as the billing would make you believe. Even in Prom Night, she's missing for long stretches. Same with Halloween II. She's asleep for a good portion.

by Anonymousreply 170June 18, 2019 5:57 AM

R170 I concur.

I'm glad she feels LS has gotten her due. I feel like H20 and H2018 gave LS her due.

by Anonymousreply 171June 18, 2019 6:09 AM

5 was even worse than Resurrection - Tina, the mask, the gothic Myers mansion, looked more like the 4th of July than Halloween, horrible script, boring characters.

by Anonymousreply 172June 18, 2019 11:08 AM

I liked 6 better than 4 and 5. Paul Rudd was so adorable and the guy who played the brother was hot as fuck!

Resurrection was painful. As were the Zombie films. I was begging for Laurie to get killed off in the second one. That shitty actress said "fuck" like every other word. I'm a total pottymouth but that was overkill.

by Anonymousreply 173June 18, 2019 11:23 AM

[QUOTE]I think 4 gets some love because remember, back in 1988, it had been 7 years since the last film about Michael Myers. It was the right time. Like it was the right time for Halloween 2018. Sometimes it's just about timing.

And it’s for that reason that Halloween 4 was an introduction to Michael Myers for a generation of folks. It has sentimental value. It’s one of the first horror movies I’ve ever seen.

by Anonymousreply 174June 18, 2019 1:45 PM

Twenty-one years ago we were giddy while waiting for the release of H20.

Great Summer 1998 Gap In-Store Playlists playing in the background...

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by Anonymousreply 175June 18, 2019 1:51 PM

Yes, H20 was another milestone because it was the first Michael Myers movie I saw in theaters. I was still too young for “Curse.” They really did a good job of making a contemporary Halloween as it felt like everything else that was coming out then thanks to Kevin Williamson and Patrick Lussier. Left in the wrong hands, The Shape could’ve looked like a relic but instead they revived the franchise for a new generation.

by Anonymousreply 176June 18, 2019 2:10 PM

Branden Williams was so hot in H20!

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by Anonymousreply 177June 18, 2019 2:16 PM

R177 hmm I think that actor was also in Can't Hardly Wait and Never Been Kissed.

by Anonymousreply 178June 18, 2019 2:43 PM

Branden had quite a run as a late 90’s teen background prop. I’m sure it got him a lot of pussy.

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by Anonymousreply 179June 18, 2019 5:35 PM

That hair is so 1998

by Anonymousreply 180June 18, 2019 5:49 PM

H20 was the first one I got to see in theaters, too, and it was insanely exciting at the time. I recognize its flaws, but I'll always have a soft spot for it. I still think it's a more interesting film and journey for Laurie than the new one. She got better material and more levels to play. The woman we meet at the start of the new movie is the same one we see at the end of the movie. There's no growth or arc.

by Anonymousreply 181June 18, 2019 7:57 PM

This is becoming one of those movies where every time I see it on cable, I have to watch it. The dual between Laurie and Michael at the end is very well done and memorable.

by Anonymousreply 182June 19, 2019 8:15 AM

While I do like H20 and the new film, for me Laurie's story ends at the end of Halloween 2: the TV edit. Where Jimmy is alive and Laurie is happy, saying "we made it". I always loved the character of Laurie so I want her to have a happy ending not 20 years as a scared drunk or 40 years as a basket case.

by Anonymousreply 183June 19, 2019 11:48 AM

[Quote] not 20 years as a scared drunk or 40 years as a basket case.

Which you probably would be if Michael came after you not once, but twice.

by Anonymousreply 184June 19, 2019 1:55 PM

r183 Then the LS in H20 fared far better than she did in H2018.

However, while it was a bit excessive and sad what she became in the new film over 40 years, it made for tension intensity. You can't survive that and not be scarred, not have PTSD.

With H20, the movies could not save 4, 5, 6. She wouldn't have had a daughter and faked her own death just to leave her daughter to be tormented by MM and suddenly have a son. Those films don't belong with the canon.

A Original, H2, H20 and H2018 would have made for an interesting canon even with the "I killed the paramedic" twist left in after H20. I could see the LS we saw in H2018 after that. This way, she legit would have been waiting for him, back from her faked death, waiting to kill him. That would have made more sense and satisfied fans more, I think.

by Anonymousreply 185June 19, 2019 4:05 PM

I love the scene where Michael smashes his thumb through the guy's forehead in the ambulance!!

Was that Part 4 or H20?

by Anonymousreply 186June 19, 2019 4:22 PM

R186 That’s from the beginning of 4.

by Anonymousreply 187June 19, 2019 4:33 PM

Nice.

That's when Michael started having the strength of a superhero. lol

by Anonymousreply 188June 19, 2019 6:12 PM

r188 Which I didn't like and ruins the "realness" of the Shape. Once you have super powers, I'm out. I'm no longer scared or interested.

by Anonymousreply 189June 19, 2019 7:28 PM

Not a thorn trilogy fan at all, and Rob Zombie’s H movies sucked ass.

by Anonymousreply 190June 19, 2019 8:46 PM

This article popped up on my phone. I'm confused as to how there could be another Friday movie if they can't even make a Jason movie due to all of the court drama about who owns the rights.

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by Anonymousreply 191June 20, 2019 4:57 AM

What is the fucking deal with the F13 movies? They fucked up the reboot. It was almost porn in spots. Mine the gold that is Mrs. Voorhees first. Keep Alice around as a fool like Laurie Strode or Nancy. Alice kills Mrs. Voorhees and that gives Jason someone to hunt as he slashes through the rest.

by Anonymousreply 192June 20, 2019 5:00 AM

Seriously!

by Anonymousreply 193June 20, 2019 5:01 AM

Is this a nostalgia thread?

by Anonymousreply 194June 20, 2019 5:15 AM

R194 sort of??

by Anonymousreply 195June 20, 2019 5:35 AM

This is what I want for a new Friday the 13th film. Parents and a child go camping. Parents are killed by Jason. Child gets away but is traumatized. They are taken to see child psychologist Ginny Fields who returns to Crystal Lake to finish the job she started 35 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 196June 20, 2019 11:41 AM

R196 I like it!

by Anonymousreply 197June 20, 2019 11:47 AM

Amy Steel still looks great, she can handle it.

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by Anonymousreply 198June 20, 2019 11:52 AM

Now which crop of CW actors would make up the rest of the cast?

by Anonymousreply 199June 20, 2019 11:57 AM

Also I'll just post the Friday thread.....

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by Anonymousreply 200June 20, 2019 12:02 PM

Yeah, the Friday the 13th reboot was a hot mess. If/when the legal battle over the rights is resolved, they should start from scratch in any reboot. I know the original movie relied on the "twist" that is Mrs. Voorhees so you can't really reboot that but you can revisit Camp Crystal Lake when Jason was left to drown. Explore Jason and his mother's relationship, etc., then focus on Mrs. Voorhees' psychotic break/revenge after he drowns. Can you imagine a Christopher Nolan trilogy for Friday the 13th?

by Anonymousreply 201June 20, 2019 12:47 PM

[Quote] Yeah, the Friday the 13th reboot was a hot mess.

Because of the tunnels or the unnecessarily long sex scene??

by Anonymousreply 202June 20, 2019 12:52 PM

I watched H2018 again last night on HBO. The scene where the girl find her chubby friend with his jaw impaled on the fence is very scary! The music is WHOA!!!!! And her shrieking is good.

To me, that is the scariest scene in the movie. The music and Michael's violent motions are what make it terrifying.

by Anonymousreply 203June 20, 2019 12:55 PM

I watch the Friday reboot just to see the beginning sequence and Jared Paladecki in that tight shirt. That’s the hottest he’s ever been.

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by Anonymousreply 204June 20, 2019 1:27 PM

Jared was the only one I found hot in the reboot.

by Anonymousreply 205June 20, 2019 1:38 PM

I thought one of the pothead guys was cute.

But, yes, Jared's PEAK of hotness was in this movie.

by Anonymousreply 206June 20, 2019 1:41 PM

I think Clay and Jenna were due for a steamy love scene when they were on the Crystal Lake campgrounds before Jason showed up.

by Anonymousreply 207June 20, 2019 1:47 PM

Oh, and that yokel hick was really hot!

by Anonymousreply 208June 20, 2019 1:50 PM

You came that close to hittin the start button on the whoop ass machine, boy!

by Anonymousreply 209June 20, 2019 1:53 PM

R203- LOVE IT- All the hardcore H2018 fans love that part of the film's score the most-

I also loved the scene proceeding it with the motion light. I thought it was brilliant and no one ever mentions it-

And when that scene happened in the theater you could feel the vibe in the audience go up to another level. And the scoring was beyond effective.

by Anonymousreply 210June 20, 2019 2:20 PM

Laurie’s arc was much better in h20. Her survivalist character in h40 was so far fetched and clearly written by someone who has spent more time watching movies like T2 then living in reality. The lives of trauma survivors are a little more nuanced.

by Anonymousreply 211June 20, 2019 2:34 PM

I preferred Laurie drinking booze openly in H2018 rather than that "functioning alcoholic" think that JLC required be part of the script before she agreed to do H20.

by Anonymousreply 212June 20, 2019 2:37 PM

The Friday thread is dead so I will post some here (sorry, love H more).

Why doesn't Alice get more love? Everyone talks about Ginny but, actually, was she all that strong? She pissed her pants AND was saved by a man. I did like her and she's top 2 final girl but Alice is the original and dispatched Mrs. Voohees quite nicely.

Jason only got her in Part 2 because of that darn cat (that's my story and I'm sticking to it). She was ready. She knew something was up and she knew Jason was real and alive. I do wonder how they were going to use her character in Part 2 until she quit due to her stalker.

by Anonymousreply 213June 20, 2019 4:08 PM

Alice deserves disdain for the way she said, "The boy. The boy!"

by Anonymousreply 214June 20, 2019 4:16 PM

r214 LOL

Both Halloween and Friday had a great original and part 2.

by Anonymousreply 215June 20, 2019 4:23 PM

Ginny did deliver the machete blow to Jason, though. Paul wasn't really much of a help. It just gave her enough time to keep Jason occupied.

Amy Steel still looks fucking gorgeous and so does Adrienne King. There must be something in the water at Crystal Lake.

by Anonymousreply 216June 20, 2019 5:24 PM

All of Jason's ladies still look good

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by Anonymousreply 217June 20, 2019 5:34 PM

It's Chris in part 3 that really fights back the most. Ginny gets the glory for the whole scene in the shack.

by Anonymousreply 218June 20, 2019 5:37 PM

The first two Friday the 13ths were the best. The East Coast sets felt more authentic than what looked like Hollywood backlots once they started filming in CA with part 3.

by Anonymousreply 219June 20, 2019 5:54 PM

I'd agree with that R219. There's something about those first two. They have a mood all by themselves. I believe the rest were either shot in California, Georgia, Alabama, or Toronto (with about 5 minutes worth in NYC).

by Anonymousreply 220June 20, 2019 6:12 PM

Amy Steel was never all that hot to me, and neither was pageboy-wearing Adrienne King.

by Anonymousreply 221June 20, 2019 6:16 PM

[quote]Laurie’s arc was much better in h20.

Disagree. H20’s Laurie was too feisty and with that short brown hair she was basically Jamie Lee Curtis. At least H40 got the hair right and had Laurie behaving as more of a basket case, which is generally closer to her personality in the original.

by Anonymousreply 222June 20, 2019 6:19 PM

Personally, I think Laurie in H40 makes more sense if she had experienced the events of H2.

by Anonymousreply 223June 20, 2019 6:22 PM

The issue with getting rid of the brother/sister thing is that Laurie has absolutely no reason to feel like Michael would ever come back after her. It would have been an isolated incident. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be incredibly traumatic and lead to all sorts of issues, but building a fortress just in case a random stalker (who was apprehended) comes back just didn't work unless there was an actual connection between them.

H2018 would have made more sense if Laurie was more similar to her character in H20, but maybe even more controlling of her daughter. Maybe her daughter never had a life as a kid, because Laurie made her stay in all the time to avoid any danger. Laurie became risk adverse and make Karen that way, too. Of course, Karen moves away and tries to go into the opposite direction of her mother and doesn't want her having anything to do with her daughter. To have Laurie randomly encounter Michael during Halloween night would have been much more interesting and frightening.

by Anonymousreply 224June 20, 2019 6:26 PM

The scene where the granddaughter starts screaming after stumbling into the mannequins was ridiculous- partly because we had seen them earlier in the film and it robbed the audience of the WTF? moment. We should have not known what we were looking at either.

by Anonymousreply 225June 20, 2019 6:41 PM

I am one of the few Halloween 2018 lovers here- don't care about the flaws.

But I am gonna say it- They should have honored parts 1-2 and H20.

They STILL could have had almost the same story- Only Jamie's daughter would have had to be younger, which is fine as I thought whatshername (who I normally love) was the weak link anyway. Jamie's daughter basically could have served the story and combined then daughter and granddaughter parts/qualities.)

Josh Hartnett could have moved away, died, ect...

Jamie STILL could be Terminator and a recovering alcoholic. In fact, that is even better!

It was clear that the writer had a massive ego and wanted this to be his.

If they would have honored parts 2 and H20, I think this film could have even more of an impact.

I will say, as much as a great job as Danielle Harris did (and she was pretty heartbroken that she was erased in the new film) I think it is better without Jamie and all that happened in Part 4 and 5...

by Anonymousreply 226June 20, 2019 7:37 PM

It’s here

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by Anonymousreply 227June 20, 2019 7:43 PM

I wonder if John Carpenter will sign on to pretend to write a score he’ll have his kid and godson do for him.

Ugh, David Gordon Green is back. The boring granddaughter is back. So is McBride as a producer. Let’s hope he stays away from the script so it won’t lack suspense and have stupid unfunny lines like “I just got peanut butter on my penis”

by Anonymousreply 228June 20, 2019 7:50 PM

I am cool with DGG as writer and director. SO glad that McBride's hokey qualities will not return.

Psyched!!

by Anonymousreply 229June 20, 2019 7:58 PM

r217 they do look good. Friday could do something along the lines of Halloween. Do a sequel, erase some of the sequels, keep only 1-3, but somehow retcon Alice to be alive. Maybe she faked her death? It's possible. Have some the final girls come for him in the end and kill him. THEN reboot the franchise.

by Anonymousreply 230June 20, 2019 8:51 PM

Can somebody encapsulate what the supposed changes were after the tests audiences were somewhat sour on H40?

I enjoy the movie for what it is but I prefer the tight continuity of H1978 through H1995. I loved the Thorn storyline which started all the way back in 1978 in the official Halloween novelization which was partially written by Carpenter - and APPROVED by Carpenter.

But I'm not talking about that. I want to know what specifically was changed in H20 to make the audience happier.

by Anonymousreply 231June 20, 2019 10:04 PM

R230, Jason tracked Alice down and killed her because he killed his mother. That is perfect. No need to retcon her death.

Amy Steel can run the show just like JLC.

by Anonymousreply 232June 20, 2019 10:06 PM

"Because SHE killed his mother."

I wish there was an EDIT function.

by Anonymousreply 233June 20, 2019 10:06 PM

The Thorn storyline sucked fetid Michael Myers balls.

by Anonymousreply 234June 20, 2019 11:05 PM

R231 = writer of Halloween 6

by Anonymousreply 235June 20, 2019 11:09 PM

Alice from F13 doesn't get more love because of her Tenielle hairdo. This is Datalounge after all.

by Anonymousreply 236June 20, 2019 11:09 PM

R231, there were many scenes cut out of the new film probably for run time concerns. Most of them are on the DVD/Blu-Ray and most of them aren't that interesting (besides an alternate intro to Laurie which is about a million times better than what we got in the final cut). There are also a few other bits that didn't make it onto the Blu-Ray for whatever reason (probably so they can add them onto another edition when the sequel comes out and get people to pay for the movie again), but the one I remember hearing about was a scene between Laurie and Karen where Laurie goes to talk to Karen where she works (at a school for special children) and they have a talk. There's also the alternate ending which is shorter than the theatrical where Laurie and Michael have a knife fight on the front lawn and Karen shoots him with a crossbow. He walks into the woods, wounded, as the Strode girls hop into the back of the truck (they kept that bit for the theatrical version).

I don't think much changed with H20 after test screenings besides John Ottman's music score, which audiences found mostly laughable (and they weren't wrong).

by Anonymousreply 237June 20, 2019 11:11 PM

After Laurie Strode, Nancy Thompson is the baddest bitch.

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by Anonymousreply 238June 20, 2019 11:13 PM

Heather Langenkamp has said she'd be down for another Nightmare movie. Not sure how it would work since Nancy is dead, but then again, so was Laurie. I really loved her death, though. It was incredibly moving.

by Anonymousreply 239June 20, 2019 11:15 PM

r232 Ginny was saved by a man. Alice should be retconned as alive though it won't be necessary as they will never do a continuation anyway.

Nancy was badass.

by Anonymousreply 240June 20, 2019 11:16 PM

[quote]I really loved her death, though. It was incredibly moving.

It was, and Patricia Arquette totally sold it.

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by Anonymousreply 241June 20, 2019 11:19 PM

Did Ronee Blakley ever reappear in the Freddy franchise?

by Anonymousreply 242June 20, 2019 11:24 PM

Since most of the Lubbock Babes were in a Nightmare movie, they should cast them all in a remake. Then create buzz for a Just The Ten of Us reboot.

by Anonymousreply 243June 20, 2019 11:41 PM

I watched F13 on EPIX last night (for the 700th time since 1980).

I can't decipher when the stunt people take over during Mrs. Voorhees' fight with Alice. It REALLY looks like Betsy Palmer is slamming that little bitch's head into the sand!

by Anonymousreply 244June 21, 2019 12:27 AM

Then Alice cut that bitch's head off.

by Anonymousreply 245June 21, 2019 12:52 AM

[Quote] Heather Langenkamp has said she'd be down for another Nightmare movie. Not sure how it would work since Nancy is dead, but then again, so was Laurie.

They could always go meta like they did in New Nightmare.

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by Anonymousreply 246June 21, 2019 1:31 AM

I remember Betsy Palmer saying in an interview that the first scene she did with Adrienne she actually slapped her, then Adrienne went and cried like a little bitch to the director. She rolled her eyes and called her delicate or something.

by Anonymousreply 247June 21, 2019 2:00 AM

YOU LET HIM DROWN!

by Anonymousreply 248June 21, 2019 2:04 AM

I would love a reboot with Amy Steel. No need to bring back Alice. Amy is a much better actress and we never learned what happened to Ginny so they wouldn't have to retcon anything.

They can even do a recap like they did at the beginning in the original series.

by Anonymousreply 249June 21, 2019 2:18 AM

Can u cunts get back to me, since you'll see me in 2020 and not these second rate bitches you keep mentioning?

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by Anonymousreply 250June 21, 2019 2:29 AM

Ginny had to have a man save her. Sorry, it taints the superhero delusion of Ginny fans. Paul saved her. Jason would have killed her had he not shown up.

by Anonymousreply 251June 21, 2019 3:04 AM

R185, you’d have PTSD but it wouldn’t manifest itself whatsoever like it does with Laurie in H40. She’d more like Laurie in H20 than H40. It was clear that the writers of the new film knew nothing about women and probably never even read a Wikipedia article on PTSD before they made the movie.

by Anonymousreply 252June 21, 2019 6:20 AM

r252 That is why I think H20 and H2018 could have worked together. I understand discounting 4-6. But to discount 2 and H20, I think, was a bridge too far. Still, I enjoy H2018 immensely.

I think criticizing H2018 is just nitpicking. It is vastly better than the continuity of the original storyline (who wants LS dead????) and lets not talk of the RZ movies.

That said, if they end up killing off LS in the sequel, it is all for nothing. LS should not be killed under ANY circumstances.

by Anonymousreply 253June 21, 2019 6:35 AM

R246, I always loved the idea of the spirits of her, Patricia Arquette, and Lisa Wilcox acting as some sort of dream goddesses to serve as a foil to Freddy and help the sleeping teenagers.

by Anonymousreply 254June 21, 2019 6:40 AM

R50/JLC I’m interested to see how you’ll spin it in interviews like you didn’t do it for the paycheck.

by Anonymousreply 255June 21, 2019 6:41 AM

I mean R250

by Anonymousreply 256June 21, 2019 6:42 AM

R251 Paul does show up after Jason slices Ginny's leg, but it is Ginny who saves Paul by slamming the machete into Jason's shoulder.

by Anonymousreply 257June 21, 2019 11:22 AM

How many people make up the 257 posts in this thread? 2? Maybe 3?

by Anonymousreply 258June 21, 2019 12:31 PM

R258 does it matter?

by Anonymousreply 259June 21, 2019 12:46 PM

Why didn't H40 bring back Jonathan Prince as Randy?

He was so cute in H2.

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by Anonymousreply 260June 21, 2019 1:26 PM

Jesus Christ R260; Stop thinking with your pussy and marble sized balls.

Halloween 2 is probably my top 30 movie of all time and I don't even know who that guy with the feathered hair is!!

by Anonymousreply 261June 21, 2019 1:52 PM

Randy told the blond cop that they were partying and Ben Tramer was drunk and missing. This sets up the faux Michael Myers getting killed and barbecued.

by Anonymousreply 262June 21, 2019 1:57 PM

r257 Paul showing up saved Ginny who would have been killed if he hadn't.

Who cares if JLC is doing this for a paycheck? I think it is both- a paycheck and she has truly come to embrace her legacy. She and her character are legendary because of Halloween. Not many actors get something like that. She is very blessed and I think she finally realizes that.

by Anonymousreply 263June 21, 2019 2:13 PM

Laurie would have been killed if not for Dr. Loomis showing up to shoot MM. Laurie was SAVED BY A MAN.

I guess your little argument about Ginny being lesser than Laurie fell apart, didn't it?

Plus, Amy Steel "killed" Jason, which Laurie failed at in H1.

by Anonymousreply 264June 21, 2019 2:17 PM

r264 Not true. We don't know if MM would have killed LS. She had evaded him many times. She would have figured out a way.

Damn, I always knew the Ginny stans were intense but never knew they were this intense. Amy Steele killed Jason? Or Ginny? And she didn't, clearly, since he was back for 85 more films. And at least Alice fucking killed his mother.

by Anonymousreply 265June 21, 2019 2:22 PM

You don't know if Jason would have killed Ginny if Paul hadn't have shown up, since you are going to try to use that argument with Laurie being rescued by an old man.

My friends and I used to mimic Laurie's whining in H1, like when she's in the closet (LOL @ JLC in the closet!). There are no whimpering scenes of Ginny to mock her with.

by Anonymousreply 266June 21, 2019 2:26 PM

r266 Ginny pissed her fucking pants nitwit!!!! None of the other girls did. LS whimpered yet got MM in the fucking eye, didn't she?

Face it, Ginny was not this super strong final girl like her stans make her out to be.

by Anonymousreply 267June 21, 2019 2:31 PM

Ginny has her own car.

Laurie has to walk or borrow Mom's car.

Ginny was brilliant in figuring out how to psyche out Jason with his mother's sweater.

Laurie? She cried a lot?

by Anonymousreply 268June 21, 2019 2:35 PM

r268 Give it up. Ginny was a pants wetter. Pissed herself. Probably shit herself. Had to have Paul rescue her. Her sweater trick was the only good thing she did as she was too weak physically to fight Jason off.

TF with these crazy triggered Ginny fans. I'd heard the rumors but to see it. WOW.

by Anonymousreply 269June 21, 2019 2:38 PM

Ginny could also hold her beer.

She didn't have to sneak in an extra glass of wine just to be able to get through a lunch date like LS.

by Anonymousreply 270June 21, 2019 2:48 PM

Ginny had mosquito bites for tits.

Ginny was too cheap to pay for beer.

Ginny didn't have to worry about keeping clean during her menstrual cycle cause she was a slut who missed her period. The fetus was already pressing on the bladder hence her accident.

by Anonymousreply 271June 21, 2019 2:55 PM

Amazing how one person can just throw off a perfectly normal thread

by Anonymousreply 272June 21, 2019 2:59 PM

What about me? I fixed a car that had broken down to escape my attacker. Suck on that, bitches.

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by Anonymousreply 273June 21, 2019 4:57 PM

Linda Blair was in a F13 sequel?

by Anonymousreply 274June 21, 2019 4:58 PM

She was in Hell Night and was the final girl (and a kickass one at that).

by Anonymousreply 275June 21, 2019 5:04 PM

[quote]Did Ronee Blakley ever reappear in the Freddy franchise?

Yes, the first film.

by Anonymousreply 276June 21, 2019 5:40 PM

Alice wouldn’t be a goddess because Freddy never killed her. She’d still be mortal.

by Anonymousreply 277June 21, 2019 5:41 PM

D’oh, my bad! No, Ronnie never reappeared in the franchise.

by Anonymousreply 278June 21, 2019 5:41 PM

Amy Steel was not hot. Ken Olandt was way hotter than her in April Fools Day.

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by Anonymousreply 279June 21, 2019 5:45 PM

I hope they throw Nancy Loomis a bone in the next movie.

by Anonymousreply 280June 21, 2019 5:45 PM

R263, it doesn’t matter if she did it for a paycheck. We’re just making fun because she was really over the top and lofty in interviews about how this is the first #MeToo horror movie and a long term study of a woman in trauma. Maybe H20 has elements of that, but the finished movie was still an ordinary 10th sequel that she popped in every twenty minutes to play lady Rambo.

And all this fake hesitation of will she/won’t she come back unless the director of Pineapple Express would be back. She was doing the sequel regardless.

I love JLC, but she’s so goofy at times and it’s fun to take the piss out of her.

by Anonymousreply 281June 21, 2019 5:47 PM

R77, wasn’t the “subtext” of Freddy’s Dead that she died and John Doe was the “Dream Child”? I’m pretty sure it was in the original “script”

by Anonymousreply 282June 21, 2019 5:50 PM

Why did the blond boy in H666 that Paul Stephen Rudd was so obsessed with have visions of Michael? Those people lived in the Strode house; they weren't related by blood. They were Strodes, related to Laurie's adoptive family.

by Anonymousreply 283June 21, 2019 6:00 PM

I thought the Thorn Cult was targeting him?

by Anonymousreply 284June 22, 2019 12:58 AM

Yeah, I never got that either.

The nice thing is that the writer of the truly awful Halloween 6 had a nice redemption as producer/director of a lot of well-regarded horror franchise retrospectives like Never Sleep Again and Crystal Lake Memories on NOES and F13 films. They’re very long but interesting as hell. I think they’re available on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 285June 22, 2019 1:22 AM

Something tells me he won’t be making a doc about the history of the Halloween franchise.

by Anonymousreply 286June 22, 2019 1:26 AM

[Quote] The nice thing is that the writer of the truly awful Halloween 6 had a nice redemption as producer/director of a lot of well-regarded horror franchise retrospectives like Never Sleep Again and Crystal Lake Memories on NOES and F13 films.

Are those the only 2 horror franchises with documentaries??

by Anonymousreply 287June 22, 2019 8:37 AM

Was the boy who referred dance to hunting supposed to be a gay?

"Daddy!"

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by Anonymousreply 288June 22, 2019 6:51 PM

Yes, there was an alternate take where he vogues over to the bus.

by Anonymousreply 289June 22, 2019 6:58 PM

R287, there are retrospectives on the Hellraiser and Scream films but they’re produced by different companies and not as good. Interestingly enough, the filmmaker for the Scream doc was one of the producers of H40.

by Anonymousreply 290June 22, 2019 7:02 PM

Was the McBride written shit stuff like those two cops talking? That waste of time crap?

I can't stand McBride although I did like the first couple Selene movies, whatever they were called, with Scott Speedman.

by Anonymousreply 291June 22, 2019 7:05 PM

I have to say R288- That was one of the best parts of the script, and it only made the boy's fate more moving to me.

And by the way, cunts- No one even brings up how.... SPOILER.....

this is the first time Michael Myers killed a kid!!! (To me it was kind of a big deal)

by Anonymousreply 292June 22, 2019 9:35 PM

Funny, R289. But no, I don’t think that boy was supposed to be gay. He was just a representative of how times have changed.

by Anonymousreply 293June 22, 2019 9:43 PM

In the H2 novelization in 1981, didn't Michael kill the babies in the ward at the hospital?

by Anonymousreply 294June 22, 2019 10:13 PM

R294- Who cares, I am talking about the FILMS. And it is a big deal that he killed a kid! No one talks about it.

Love that kid. I thought it actually set the film on a far darker course. And it was good.

by Anonymousreply 295June 22, 2019 10:18 PM

Joseph Gordon-Levitt was underage at 17 when Michael killed him in H20 in 1998.

by Anonymousreply 296June 22, 2019 10:22 PM

R296- The dancer was a KID. Come on. And it was hardcore. H20 was goofy as shit. (other than then the JLC arc) It really sucked balls.

The ice skate in his head? That was campy and it was so "Scream" (overrated as FUCK, that franchise)

by Anonymousreply 297June 22, 2019 10:34 PM

"Let's face it, Sidney: your mother was no Sharon Stone!"

CLASSIC.

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by Anonymousreply 298June 22, 2019 10:37 PM

Scream is dated, derivative, and just not as clever as it thought it was.

Scream eats shit.

It's so 90's.

by Anonymousreply 299June 22, 2019 11:17 PM

How come its not as clever as it thought it was?

by Anonymousreply 300June 22, 2019 11:21 PM

Scream and Scream 2 were great. Scream 4 was good, too. I also liked Scream 3.

by Anonymousreply 301June 22, 2019 11:24 PM

SCREAM 3 SUCKS COCKS IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 302June 22, 2019 11:37 PM

Parker Posey was hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 303June 22, 2019 11:39 PM

For ITS TIME, Scream was clever. But now??? Dated. Dated. Dated. Light as air. Its goofy. It did not age well.

Scream 3 sucks my dick. Scream 2, I don't even REMEMBER IT!!!!!!!!!!

Scream 3 I remember for being desperate and terrible. And I recall Aunt Jackie from Roseanne???

Garbage, BITCH.

by Anonymousreply 304June 22, 2019 11:43 PM

You recall wrong, R304. Aunt Jackie was in Scream 2.

by Anonymousreply 305June 23, 2019 1:41 AM

Scream 1-4 are still better than all but ONE of the Halloween movies, so suck it.

by Anonymousreply 306June 23, 2019 2:13 AM

Sure, Jan. At best, Scream 4 is better than Halloween 5 &6. Halloween II, 4 and H20 are better than Scream 3 and 4. Halloween II is better than Scream 2 and 3.

by Anonymousreply 307June 23, 2019 3:38 AM

[Quote] I can't stand McBride although I did like the first couple Selene movies, whatever they were called, with Scott Speedman.

I liked the first 3 Underworld movies.

[Quote] Parker Posey was hilarious.

Her chemistry with Courtney was great.

[Quote] Scream 1-4 are still better than all but ONE of the Halloween movies, so suck it.

I like all of them, but the first movie is still the best. Emma Roberts monologue at the end of Scream 4 made me cringe. I almost wish Kirby had been the lead instead. There's also a few deleted scenes that I think they should've kept in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 308June 23, 2019 5:35 AM

[QUOTE]Scream 1-4 are still better than all but ONE of the Halloween movies, so suck it.

Scream 1 and 2 are the only memorable ones. They don’t hold a candle to the Halloween franchise. If I had to choose one to wipe from existence, I choose Scream without blinking. I’ve watched the worst Halloween movies far more times than the worst Scream movies.

by Anonymousreply 309June 23, 2019 1:27 PM

Halloween does have a documentary, but I’d like to see it given the full on proper doc treatment ala Never Sleep Again and His Name Was Jason...

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by Anonymousreply 310June 23, 2019 3:39 PM

This behind the scenes look at parts 4, 5 and 6 is great...

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by Anonymousreply 311June 23, 2019 3:39 PM

Halloween: A Cut Above The Rest doc

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by Anonymousreply 312June 23, 2019 3:42 PM

R310, A Cut Above the Rest is the proper doc on Halloween.

by Anonymousreply 313June 23, 2019 3:45 PM

OML I just saw the original When A Stranger Calls on youtube. Well, only the first part. I can't get through the rest tonight. That scared the H E L L out of me. I'd heard about it and I knew what to expect. I cannot even imagine if I hadn't known.

by Anonymousreply 314June 24, 2019 6:50 AM

R314 now I want to watch it. I've only seen the remake.

by Anonymousreply 315June 24, 2019 7:15 AM

r315 It is one of the most terrifying scenes I've ever seen.

by Anonymousreply 316June 24, 2019 7:45 AM

The middle of When A Stranger Calls is boring as hell.

by Anonymousreply 317June 24, 2019 12:52 PM

r317 Got around to that. Yes, it was bad. But the end more than made up for it!

Dang, that movie has the best opening and a fantastic ending. That ending me literally on the edge of my seat and in terror.

by Anonymousreply 318June 24, 2019 4:26 PM

I think the remake of When A Stranger Calls was smart to ditch the middle section and just stretch out the part that worked. A shame they couldn't find a better actress to play the lead, though. Kane was interesting to watch which made her scenes so gripping, but the little tart they got for the remake couldn't even walk and talk at the same time and had the personality of a beige wall.

by Anonymousreply 319June 24, 2019 7:25 PM

r319 The remake was godawful. Not even stretching out the beginning of the original worked. A remake with a better middle, while keeping the griping opening/climax was needed IMO.

by Anonymousreply 320June 24, 2019 8:31 PM

When A Stranger Calls Back is a much better film. The opening is about as terrifying and the middle section actually works and doesn't drag.

by Anonymousreply 321June 24, 2019 9:12 PM

r321 I watched that before seeing the original and it was great. Very effective tension and scares. Nothing quite like the opening/climax of the original but a great horror movie. They did a masterful job creating the tension of the original. Overall, the sequel was better due to the middle part not sucking which is why WASC should have gotten a better remake.

by Anonymousreply 322June 24, 2019 9:18 PM

I just got back from the Child’s Play remake. I went in with cautious optimism and ended up really enjoying it. It was better than H40, the Pet Sematary female, and US combined. I highly recommend it.

It was surprisingly intelligent and the humor was dark and well-integrated, which can’t be said of H40.

by Anonymousreply 323June 25, 2019 5:39 AM

I would've got rid of Chucky after the first murder. I did chuckle at the Han Solo line.

by Anonymousreply 324June 25, 2019 5:42 AM

r323 That is encouraging. How much is sexually inappropriate? Thinking of taking the 9 year old nephew. He loves horror just cannot watch anything with any sexuality. He watches Walking Dead so gore and violence don't faze him.

by Anonymousreply 325June 25, 2019 10:41 AM

R325 please tell me you're joking.

by Anonymousreply 326June 25, 2019 12:16 PM

r326 No. We have taken him to see Insidious and Conjuring movies because they have very little cursing/gore/sex. He has seen only the TV edit of Halloween.

by Anonymousreply 327June 25, 2019 12:48 PM

R327 well Child's Play has a bit of gore but no nudity/sex scenes.

by Anonymousreply 328June 25, 2019 1:02 PM

r328 he is a good kid but, at 9, he is already getting girls at his school sexually propositioning him. He can't have a phone. I put my foot down with my brother about that. So he is a bit insulated from a lot of sexual stuff at SM and in movies. My bro and wife screen stuff and will fast forward or skip questionable content.

by Anonymousreply 329June 25, 2019 5:06 PM

[QUOTE]I just got back from the Child’s Play remake. It was better than H40.

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by Anonymousreply 330June 25, 2019 5:11 PM

R330 different strokes for R323.

by Anonymousreply 331June 26, 2019 12:17 AM

R330 except it was a horror reboot that did something different and didn’t just poorly remake a different horror reboot from twenty years ago.

by Anonymousreply 332June 26, 2019 2:44 AM

It was just okay. A few anxiety inducing moments. Nothing special. The only real surprise was the daughter pretending to be terrified and then blasting him with the shotgun. All of the young folks look like they are in their early thirties. One thing I didn’t get because I wasn’t really paying close attention but was the “doctor” a patient too?

by Anonymousreply 333June 26, 2019 2:54 AM

[QUOTE]One thing I didn’t get because I wasn’t really paying close attention

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by Anonymousreply 334June 26, 2019 2:59 AM

Watching it again last night, it continues to bother me that they never gave Laurie and Michael a really good moment together like the window in the door moment in H20. You never even get the sense that Michael even knows it's Laurie.

by Anonymousreply 335June 26, 2019 11:59 AM

I know they would never do it but I would have loved if Michael had killed Laurie's daughter, granddaughter and son in law and displayed their bodies to find just as he did Annie, Lynda and Bob.

by Anonymousreply 336June 26, 2019 12:09 PM

R336 too dark 😟

by Anonymousreply 337June 26, 2019 1:10 PM

[QUOTE]You never even get the sense that Michael even knows it's Laurie.

They did have a moment. When Laurie first encountered Michael at the house where Hawkins responded to the domestic disturbance call, Michael cocked his head upon seeing her outside the window through the reflection in the mirror before Laurie put a bullet in it. He knew it was her.

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by Anonymousreply 338June 26, 2019 4:59 PM

H2018 had great moments but I do feel LS ad MM could have had a bit more interaction or a really great moment that didn't involve just fighting.

by Anonymousreply 339June 27, 2019 1:03 PM

Halloween 2 filming in Wilmington. NC this fall.

by Anonymousreply 340June 27, 2019 8:31 PM

Says who?

by Anonymousreply 341June 29, 2019 1:45 AM

Says ME!

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by Anonymousreply 342June 29, 2019 1:56 AM

Says here:

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by Anonymousreply 343June 29, 2019 6:16 AM

Fingers crossed this one exceeds all expectations and is even better than H2018.

by Anonymousreply 344June 30, 2019 10:45 PM

Honestly, where can this new rebooted franchise go? I don't see how it's going to work at all.

by Anonymousreply 345July 1, 2019 12:32 AM

What is Michael Myers going to do with one good hand?

by Anonymousreply 346July 1, 2019 12:34 AM

Ugh, I hate that they dismembered him. Way to write yourself into a corner. Not to mention the burning up part.

by Anonymousreply 347July 1, 2019 12:39 AM

Yeah, how the hell are they going to explain that one? He went and found some secret hole in the basement allowing him to escape before he got burned? Like Laurie wouldn’t have covered her bases there?

by Anonymousreply 348July 1, 2019 9:20 PM

r348 They'll figure it out.

by Anonymousreply 349July 1, 2019 9:31 PM

R348 maybe he built his own tunnel like Jason lol

by Anonymousreply 350July 2, 2019 3:57 AM

Damn shame we didn't have slasher films in the 30s and 40s.

Bette Davis is Laurie Strode!

"Alright, you two brats listen up. I want you to run down the street to the Mackenzie's house. I want you to tell them to call the police and send them over here. Now do you understand me? Go do as I say!"

Joan Crawford is Nancy Thompson!

"Don't fuck with me, Freddy! This ain't my first time in the nightmare realm."

Vivien Leigh is Ginny!

"Paul, there's someone in this fucking room!"

Olivia de Havilland is Kirsty Cotten!

"It was a mistake! I didn't mean to open it. GO TO HELL!"

by Anonymousreply 351July 2, 2019 5:39 AM

R351 🤣🤣🤣

by Anonymousreply 352July 2, 2019 5:47 AM

Who is Ginny? No one iconic that is for sure. What movie is she from?

by Anonymousreply 353July 2, 2019 6:35 AM

R353 Friday The 13th part 2.

by Anonymousreply 354July 2, 2019 8:18 AM

She was recently on Days of Our Lives too

by Anonymousreply 355July 2, 2019 10:27 AM

[QUOTE]maybe he built his own tunnel like Jason lol

😂 I’d walk out of the movie theater.

Seriously it’s so hard to survive a house fire, let alone one when you’re locked in the goddamn basement that’s instantly ablaze as everything else above you also burns.

They’ll probably take the cheap route and skip showing how he survived.

by Anonymousreply 356July 2, 2019 2:28 PM

r16 thinks the HALLOWEEN franchise had the best stories?

Give me a fucking break. the HALLOWEEN franchise is MOSTLY TRASH. Only 1978, HALLOWEEN 2, H20 and 2018 hold water of any kind. The franchise is full of stupid cops, half-assed plots and tiny tots no one relates to.

And Parts 1 & 2 are the only scary ones, too!

The first six FRIDAY THE 13ths and ELM STREETS 1,3 & 7 have better stories, characters, action and scares than ANYTHING HALLOWEEN has offered up. There's a reason they made more money.

Michael Myers is a shallow, cartoon villain, too. A totally 1-dimensional contrivance. At least they gave Jason mental illness and Freddy a pervy personality.

by Anonymousreply 357July 2, 2019 7:42 PM

You're right, r23.

The Ottman stuff is better because it's leaner and pays tribute to Carpenter's original theme more. That SCREAM music is just a ripoff of James Horner's score for ALIENS:

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by Anonymousreply 358July 2, 2019 8:27 PM

Don’t be butthurt, R357. A shallow, cartoon villain? Surely you jest. He isn’t nearly as scary in the subsequent films, but the essence of what Carpenter’s original vision of Myers was (e.g., the Michael in the original movie), is scarier than any version of Jason OR Freddy. Anybody worth their weight in horror fandom realizes that without Michael, Jason and Freddy would not exist. Sean S. Cunningham has admitted that the original F13th only existed as a rip off cash grab of what Halloween created. Jason and Freddy will always be second to the sheer terror that Michael evoked in the first Halloween.

by Anonymousreply 359July 2, 2019 9:45 PM

Yeah R357, cause everyone related to Corey Feldman and Shavar Ross in the Friday the 13th franchise.

And I'm sorry, didn't Michael Myers escape from a MENTAL HOSPITAL and have a psychiatrist on his trail?

Not sure if you're a troll or a complete moron.

by Anonymousreply 360July 3, 2019 2:13 AM

You want to talk about characters? None of those franchises have anyone who holds a candle to the great Dr. Samuel Loomis. He was half the reason to watch Halloween movies.

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by Anonymousreply 361July 3, 2019 3:10 AM

For someone who was supposed to be a man of science.....Dr Loomis really was quite kooky lol

by Anonymousreply 362July 3, 2019 3:36 AM

I know John Carpenter hates them, but I like the TV versions of the first 2 Halloween films with the added scenes that were filmed after both movies were finished.

by Anonymousreply 363July 3, 2019 4:32 AM

The tv scenes for Halloween II weren't filmed after the movie. They were part of the original cut which John had to go back and fix since it dragged in several places.

by Anonymousreply 364July 3, 2019 10:46 AM

Two bonus scenes in the tv edit of Halloween were filmed during the making of H II - Laurie in a pink robe and a towel wrapped around her head and Loomis going before the board at the psych hospital.

by Anonymousreply 365July 3, 2019 5:14 PM

It doesn't matter, r359. Sean Cunningham and later FRIDAYS built something more interesting and realistic over Michael Myers.

And you can keep speaking for "anyone worth their weight in horror fandom" all you want. You're still just one, Horror Contrarian Troll with SHITTY TASTE and AUTISTIC MELTDOWN PROBLEMS. All art is subjective and your Aspie Loony Opinions are your own, no matter how many separate accounts, browsers or deleted cookies you use to W/W and congratulate your own posts.

The fans already spoke — Jason or Freddy's franchises made WAY more money than the HALLOWEEN movies ever did -- despite HALLOWEEN having the most releases.

by Anonymousreply 366July 3, 2019 9:19 PM

r366 Not true.

How was Jason more realistic? He became a fucking zombie. Granted, MM wasn't much more realistic but it beat zombie Jason.

by Anonymousreply 367July 3, 2019 9:22 PM

Jason, realistic? You just rendered your entire argument useless, son. And Halloween 2018 made more money at the box office than any single F13 OR Elm St film. Call me anything you want, but Jason will always be a copycat, generic, hackneyed shitstain of a villain when compared with the iconic and terrifying Michael Meyers.

by Anonymousreply 368July 3, 2019 10:57 PM

Oh yeah, Jason jumping from body to body via an alien worm and stalking people on a spaceship are HELLA realistic!

by Anonymousreply 369July 3, 2019 10:59 PM
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by Anonymousreply 370July 4, 2019 3:45 AM

R285 However, the director of H666 also directed this year’s The Haunting of Sharon Tate, which is probably in the running to be the worst film of the decade!!!

by Anonymousreply 371July 4, 2019 4:51 AM

Lol R369 has a point.

by Anonymousreply 372July 4, 2019 6:12 AM

Halloween KILLS

Halloween ENDS

NO!!!! DON'T END!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 373July 19, 2019 10:55 PM

R369 I loved Jason Goes to Hell. Loved that the majority of the film takes place at night, love the small town feel, love that it's one of the goriest entries in the series, love Kane Hodder as Jason, and like how it set up Freddy vs. Jason at the end.

by Anonymousreply 374July 19, 2019 11:35 PM

R374 Also the first film in the series that's self aware and that pokes fun at itself.

by Anonymousreply 375July 19, 2019 11:37 PM

Part 8 was less intentionally funny with the teleportation nonsense and the doctor and bimbo characters, but it's entertaining all the same. It helps that the entire F13 series has lots of hot guys in it too.

by Anonymousreply 376July 19, 2019 11:40 PM
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