British Royal Family Gossip: Part 62

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[quote]But spool back a little further, to the days when she was just another rising American starlet, and Meghan can be found fishing in the shallower end of the showbiz pond. Indeed, not long before she was introduced to her Prince, you could find her cosying up to a male model on the red carpet, flirting on social media with a former X Factor winner and deliberating whether to go on a date with footballer Ashley Cole. Of course, hanging out with D-listers was never really going to be the right fit for ambitious and sophisticated Meghan Markle.

This Sun article reinforces some of the comments in the DM article almost as if this was some kind of coordinated effort...

Oh dear the Sun is after her now, this won't be good for MM but on the bright side it's brilliant for us

The Sun has been very, very, very annoyed with her since she (or her team) told them she had a home birth and told the DM she gave birth in Portland Hospital. The Sun had already printed the sunday edition, they had to stop the presses and tried to recall the stuff already in the vans. They only managed to get half of them back. She made them look a fool more than once with the whole baby debacle and cost them a hell of a lot of money. They will not forget or forgive this.

Oh, this getting good.

Safe to say, Meghan reads those mean articles. What's her reaction? Fan fiction time.

[Meg lounges on a plush white sofa at Frogmore while the nurse looks after the baby. She's scrolling elegantly on her phone.]

M: Oh! Tsk. Fucking Mail, with those stories again. And the Sun? Ugh! It's such bullshit. Fucking Lizzie Cunty, what a bitch, I hardly even knew her. And fucking Piers, such a liar.

[Harry bounds in, fresh from one of his charity outings.]

H: Hell-o, darling. How's my sexy girl, and where's that wonderful boy? [He tries to embrace Meg, who pushes him away.]. What is it, darling? Oh. The tabs again. [Sighs.] Bastards.

M: It's all fucking lies. I'm so over it.

H: It's outrageous. Right. Perhaps it's time for us to say something about this harassment.

M: I really think we should. In fact, I've drafted something. I'll text it to you.

The DM loves Fuckface von Clownstick and Brexit and all that right wing lunacy. It's no wonder they're letting the dogs loose on Markle and not before time. The American traitor and his entire grifter family are coming to the UK to impose on Her Majesty the first week of June. Seriously, he's bringing all of them. So gross. So inappropriate. So fucking typical of him.

We apologize in advance for the horror show of trash, lies and crassness that we are about to drop on the Queen and the British Royals. We know they can handle it, we feel bad anyway.

I have something new to hate about Markle. I have to fucking DEFEND her bailing on this shitshow because the fucktard traitor fake president is so much fucking worse than she is by any rational person's measure.

Cunts. Both of them are cunts, he's the greater of two evils.

This is beginning to get good.. As they say, once quotes are attributed publicly then it's easier for others to follow and start spilling beans. I find it funny that small time, desperate D-lister Meghan never thought about hiding her social climbing ways back then. However, I doubt that even she had expected to land Harry and that he'd be so easy to con. If she had thought about it then and had more $$$, she'd hire legal representation to have people around her sign NDAs. Hilarious that only months after she met Harry and ensnared him, she'd smartened up and went after her former manager with lawyers for the sin of asking for right to use her photo at charity event. Again, you can't make this shit up, this is a woman who's as ruthless as they come, and if you think she didn't step on some toes on her way up the social climbing ladder, then you must be as dim as Harry.

Harry even if he now knows about Meghan's behavior leading up to their relationship, he's going to act as her protector because he's still in the denial stage. I've know enough male clients in similar situation, I see them in the aftermath and they all follow similar trajectory upon finding out the women they married were liars or con artists out for money. Men don't usually want to admit that they made such a monumental mistake, they don't like to admit to being conned. The lucky ones leave eventually after buildup of dysfunction, the unlucky ones stay longer due to having kids with grifting women.

“Classy reality show” “Tooth Fairy” “Loch Ness Monster”

R8 You believe that MM bailed? Ha! I think she wasn't invited and had to put out there that she couldn't go. It's like Frogmore C, had to put out there how much they love it and chose it. When everyone knows the Queen has access to many other properties that they could have used. There is no way that pair of grifters would have willingly chose former servants quarters.

I quite like the Harry Markle blog, the blogger raises some interesting questions in their latest article.

R11, back in November 2018, this ran in the Observer: “Prince Harry and Markle have been spending plenty of time in the Cotswolds, as they reportedly signed a two-year lease for a mansion, WestfieldLarge, located on the 4,000-acre Great Tew Estate in Oxfordshire earlier this year. But that’s only temporary, as they are apparently refurbishing a much larger place nearby. Their future six-bedroom home, known as Beggars Lodge (oh, the irony), will contain three reception rooms, staff rooms, media and family rooms and all the other fancy amenities fit for royalty, including Charles & Co. designs.”

And

“Now that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are expecting their first child, perhaps they’ll be given a country home at Sandringham as well. They are, after all, about to be neighbors with Prince William and Middleton at Kensington Palace.”

How the worm turns, eh?

She was quite brilliant in fucking here m 24/7 during their trusts and then claiming to get pregnant. He had to propose. She lets the marriage planning machine start then claims a miscarriage some months in. Now he HAS to marry her.

A story as old as time.

^^fucking HIM ie Harry.

[quote] Oh, I beg to differ: in Real Britain, as opposed to just this little corner of the web, he's still the next but one King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland with all the wealth and influence and status that indicates. His Papa is worth $400 million and he will be the heir to some of the richest landholdings, art collection, and social status in the world. Britian's PM will be meeting with him once a week, just as Theresa May has been with his Gran. If you think that stuff doesn't count in Alpha World, think again.

To those posters on the previous thread arguing that William's wealth and direct line to the throne make him an alpha, by that argument Charles is also an alpha. Eek!

Your alpha males calibrator is defective. Please return take back to the store for repair.

They mean "alpha" within the royal Court and the British aristocracy.

They're not alpha in any regular way, none of them except Philip.

No, it's William's vibe these days. It's the attitude and carriage of someone who suddenly values the heritage he'd previously resisted. He feels his power.

R16 - I guess, then, that the world's alphametre was off, because before Diana snagged him, Charles was called "The World's Most Eligible Bachelor".

Hmmmmm

R3 - Looks like Ashley eventually found someone even lighter than Meghan. But then, she found someone even lighter than him.

That was 30 years ago R19. The world has recalibrated.

Charles WAS the world's most eligible bachelor. In the newspapers, anyway. As was Harry, in his time. Really - who else? George Clooney? Yeah, no.

Dress worn by Queen Victoria in 1855

No need to engage the cretin @ R16. This pithy frau will go on and on and on and on... that Will looks 50/old for 36 and Harry served in the army which (in her stantastic mind) makes *him* the "alpha." That Catherine looks old too and is so much worse in every way than Markle; besides Markle is oh so slim and pretty.

I dismiss the creature when she posts as she apparently doesn't have a social life thus you'll find she will attempt to monopolize the thread by talking to herself.

Too much wine and not enough review before posting at R16

R24 You're hilarious. My posting history is clear. I am neither a Cambridge nor a Sussex fan (thought I do find the Sussexes amusing). The world is more complex than the tribes you're created dear.

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Laughing at posters who think Harry is handsome. Only if you lop off his head.

Pissing off the British press was dumb, dumb and dumber.

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[quote]The trip is being seen as a possible prelude to a much longer stay in Africa, of several months, next year.

The shunning begins.

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I still don't understand the logic in feeding the Sun legitimate fake information that would get outed so damn quick.

So Meghan's not down to her target weight yet.

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What's Harry going to do in Africa, torture more elephants before taking photos of them? Going on big game hunts and covering them up by saying they're conservation outings? This is nothing more than public funds paying for a narcissist and her dumb husband and their poor infant son, all laying about in exotic African locales, living in luxury all the while portraying themselves as humanitarians. If I was living in one of the African nations being considered as candidates in need of Royal rescue, I'd be offended as fuck at that suggestion.

Meghan will last in the BRF. If Kate can slut it up as a yacht girl (notice how they ignored that link though it comes from the bastion of truth, the DM), then Meghan is amongst her equals.

Just admit it: you guys can't understand why a Prince married MM while you're online praying for a woman's downfall. What a fucking pathetic, hypocritical bunch. And some even go further to wish harm on an innocent child based on their parentage and, according to their own words, is better than them.

They still can't justify their hate for Meghan but most know the real reason...it's always the same ones.

To the poster that's near Frogmore Cottage and plans to stalk the grounds to get a snap...what happened? The house was empty? Security was too tight? You're now besties with HRH? Or did you lie to get brownie points from a group of menopausal bitches that mock sleek musculatures because they don't realize that 'pins' isn't a pejorative and not everyone is built like a Mack truck?

Don't expect an answer as it's likely the same two or three posters filling up various threads with their MM venom but really...their dedication impresses. I can't imagine hating a stranger so much that I write half of what has been written.

R8 Here in Britain MM is the greater of the two evils because we have to pay for he

The Queen has hosted Idi Amin and he actually ate people, Nicolae Ceaușescu, plus she dines with the Saudi's a lot and they aren't squeaky clean. She doesn't have to like these people, she probably can't stand Trump just like she couldn't stand the others but that's what the Royals have to do, be polite on the surface and remain neutral.

Trump is an idiot but he's your idiot not ours, we have our own, he will be here for the 75th anniversary of the D-Day Landings and the Battle of Normandy and the trade opportunities for the UK with the USA post Brexit. The anniversary is very important to the Queen.

The poster at R36 is why threads are greyed out.

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^^^^pay for her

R37 I have never seen anyone on here wish harm on MM's baby, so back to your basement lady.

No one hates her either in fact I'd say most emotions are just a mixture of appalled, horrified and entertained. You couldn't make this shitstorm up if you tried.

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Next Royal Wedding?

R43 ok, they look very cute together here.

R36 Honey please take time out from reading and posting here, honestly you seem to have taken things too personally, I doubt the Sussexes give a fuck about their fans who defend them on forums such as this one. As for wishing harm on their baby, again, I think YOU are the one who's projecting such unimagined hatred. Have you been reading what Meghan's fans are wishing on the Cambridges, particularly the children so that Harry can be king instead of William? No one here is wishing harm on people, least of all children, only the truly pathological ones such as yourself are even imagining such things.

So Africa is back on (if it was ever off). The banishment has begun. She won't get the press or the "followers" she craves. Even if she uses the baby for photo ops, interest will wane. They're going to force her hand so that she runs back to LA.

R45, no comment on Kate slutting it up on yachts? There's a difference between gossip and outright vitriol. You and your coven are jealous cunts. Just deal with it.

I think both royal duchesses attained their positions by successfully sucking and fucking their way to their current positions. Both have had plastic surgery. Both have unsavory connections. Both played the game and won. It's the way things have been for years, so what differentiates the two women? No one's given an answer.

Talk that shit and back it up. It's very easy to throw out the basement dweller and 'don't take it personal' attacks but, as you said, that's projection. Not only do you type fat but your ugly spirit shines through. If only Alpha William and Saint Kate of the Yacht would share some of their grace with you.

And, yes...nasty comments have been made about an innocent child just as your Legion of Lunatics have conjured up one of your many fantasies where Harry wishes the death of his niece and nephews just to become king and his son an heir (even though he and the wife avoided providing their son with even one regnal name...should have been a clue they're not interested). Just one of many sick stories you nuts make up.

r37/r47 are you STILL here carrying on? weren't you in here last night going round and round...and round. We are all STILL here gossiping about Miss Megs and any other dimwitted royal who makes an ass of themselves (and there is no shortage of those). As we've been here for months, and will be here for many more.

Take your demands for "answers" and shove them, and take them back to your therapist's office. We don't answer to anyone here nor do we have to....and what is this fuckery you are going on about re Kate and yachts? That is beyond laughable - Kate is way too BORING to ever have participated in Euro yacht girl antics. She also has never had the need, given she's been tied to William's teat since college and her spoiling parents made sure she never went without a posho lifestyle before her marriage.

meant to type r36/r47 in post above ^^

[quote]You and your coven are jealous cunts. Just deal with it.

And? so.

R47 likely is in need of mental health support, I'm being serious. She sounds unwell from the way she writes, it's deeply accusatory without any basis for her vitriol, all the while projecting this vitriol onto others. I'd say it's persecutory delusions by proxy in her case, and I'd kindly refer her to mental health support services if I were her psych provider. Wouldn't take her on as my patient right now, I've got a limit to number of personality or schizotypal disorder patients at any given time, they can be very draining and we can't just prescribe meds because there are no meds to treat them.

I have no use for posters who use "alpha" like R16. I imagine they classify men as "cucks" and "soyboys" as well.

[quote]The DM loves Fuckface von Clownstick

Is R8 an adult man? SURELY not.

What I always liked about DL was its maturity. Now it's full of 14 year olds.

and then - MORE

[quote]this shitshow because the fucktard traitor fake president is so much fucking worse

and

[quote]Cunts. Both of them are cunts

R8 = Datalounge at its very very worst.

R47, you're taking this awfully seriously. If you identify so strongly with Meghan, it'd probably be better for your mental health to stay off a gossip site that likes to drag her.

As to what differentiates Kate and Meghan (and why I'm here): Meghan provides a lot of entertainment. Kate is social climber who got what she wanted and settled down into a life of wearing ladylike outfits and providing heirs. Nothing to see there until the kids are old enough for shenanigans. Meghan is a social climber who'd have us believe her only criteria for Harry was that he was kind and that all she wants to do is save the world. The newly cultivated A-list friends instead of family at her wedding, the clickbaity instagram posts, the banana messaging, the limousine humanitarianism .... it's all great fun.

The British Royal Family Gossip threads do seem to have taken a nosedive...we didn't have all the "cunts" and "fucktards" before. SO boring.

R52 I did not initiate use of the term alpha. Posters on previous threads have begun using it to describe William. I responded to their use.

IMO cuck as an insult has latent homophobic qualities and the cuckolding fetish has a strong racist component. AFAIK using cuck and soyboy as insults is linked to ultra conservatives and the alt-right's anxiety about the declining dominance of heterosexual white males. I had not associated "alpha male" with that same sentiment but I can see how it could be connected. I've called out posters for using cuck on these threads and I've never seen soyboy used here.

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R36 The link to the article about Kate yachting is dead. Did the publisher kill it?

Here's some grainy footage of Charles Spencer's wedding to Victoria. Barbara Cartland is a riot.

So the Harkles' banishment to Africa is happening, the tabs are ruthlessly going in on them, and people are starting to speak on the record. Wonderful! They might have thought they'd get some grace period with the new sprog and all, but that was a foolish fantasy.

When M didn.t allow the British newspapers to be on the baby presentatation and M favored Gayle King above them they declared war . Foolish of M and H .The gloves are off now .

In the DM story they all but refer to her as the 'Happy Hooker'. Glorious shade.

R57’s link provides yet another example of the mutual loyalty and trust between the Queen and her staff. A good boss is rare and wonderful thing. I’m American, but I’m reassured by the steadiness and predictability of Queen Elizabeth.

The Mail exposed Kate's yachting past just prior to her wedding. It's what they do.

I wonder if we'll see Harry much in the next few weeks, save for the Trooping. I got the feeling he was showing up (seemingly unannounced) at several events over the last few weeks in an attempt to curry favor or somehow get them to reconsider the Africa strategy. He would probably love to spend an extended time in Africa but must know that MM will leave him sooner rather than later if they are there for too long.

So Kate was a waitress on a yacht?

Do you guys think that all wait staff and massage therapists are sex workers, too?

R67, all the posters on here drag MM for 'yachting' with zero evidence. We have evidence of 19 yr old Kate doing this on yachts in the Solent with corporation clients. We have the name of her employer, even and lascivious details about her 'very short blue shorts'.

'...favor or somehow get them to reconsider the Africa strategy.'

They are not going to force Prince Harry and his wife to take his vulnerable newborn to the land of typhoid, Dengue fever, cholera, diptheria, yellow fever et al. The baby is too young to be vaccinated. This was a tabloid rumour. Hilarious to see you Yanks taking the Sun and Express seriously

'Harry even if he now knows about Meghan's behavior leading up to their relationship, he's going to act as her protector because he's still in the denial stage.'

Denial about her ex Oliver Cheshire and her supposed overtures to the producers of Made in Chelsea, which features characters in their 20s only? Or in denial that she considered dating Ashley Cole but decided not to? Whoa, such a scandal. Harry will be calling his divorce lawyers as I type.

Scandal!!!

A 35 yr old American actress tried to get cast on a UK reality show, just like Steph Pratt from The Hills! She dated a Brit model! She looked for work in the UK!

This is going to destroy Harry.

R59, no. It was published by the Daily Mail in April 2011. Search 'Kate social climber'.

W and W for R36.

Yep, the fraus ignored the Daily Mail's expose of Kate's summer as a yacht girl. They also ignored the info in the same article about William being an abusive and controlling boyfriend.

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What's this about the Sussexes living in Africa? The Daily Mail link just says they'll be planning a trip there later in the year, to South Africa. That's a lot different than moving permanently.

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Extract from The Mail's expose of Kate's yachting and social climbing:

The corporate clients loved her, especially the way she always seemed to be showing off her slender legs in tight blue shorts as she served gin and tonics and lunch. She was working as a deckhand on 72ft sailing boats in the Solent, looking after important clients for mighty companies such as Barclays, BT, Nokia, Toshiba and Volkswagen.

This was Catherine Middleton at 19, doing her first - and some might waspishly say her only - real job.

Her boss during these three months of her gap year between leaving fee-paying Marlborough College and going up to St Andrews University was former round-the-world yachtsman Sir Chay Blyth.

‘Most of the talk about her concerned her very tight shorts,’ chortles Sir Chay, 70, who ran the Southampton-based hospitality business.

‘She was an attractive girl who never allowed herself to be distracted by the comments and got on with her job. We had other girls, mainly students, working as corporate crew members and some of them were a pain in the a*** complaining about this and that. But Kate was not one of them.’

‘There were all kinds of shenanigans among the girls who came down to work on corporate hospitality days, a lot of going out and drinking.

‘On the boat, it was a case of: “Kate, please scrub the floors” - but sometimes it was: “Kate, would you mind not standing by that hatch when you are serving because it’s a bit revealing for anyone below deck.”

Now, someone please find me the equivalent of this for MM. Name of yacht, employer, clients. Interview with employer.

R77 - what's the big deal?

You tell me. What was the big deal with MM's 100% unproven 'yachting'?

Andrew is now in Toronto at Sick Kids' Hospital.

R79 - Kate was doing her job. Nowhere in the article does it say she was "yachting" (sleeping with clients). I don't know about Meghan. The article was about Kate.

R76 It's strange that two of Charles Spencer's kids have the same names as two of William and Kate's kids - Charlotte Diana and Louis.

Spencer daughter is Charlotte Diana. William & Kate's daughter is Charlotte Elizabeth Diana.

The article also states "The trip is being seen as a possible prelude to a much longer stay in Africa, of several months, next year.", r75. Perhaps they're only going for a few trips here and there. But given the Times article earlier this year that specifically names BP sources, among them Geidt, this seems to confirm that they are indeed being sidelined. At the very least, the BRF want the Harkles out of their hair so that they can get on with succession planning. It would probably be a bonus to them if this pushed MM to leave. Try as she might, she won't get the 'clicks' she so desperately wants in Africa. Her target audience lauds her 'humanitarian' efforts, but they don't really want to read about them. They want weddings and tiaras just like the rest of us.

Diana got it right. Camilla's teeth and gums really do make her look like a Rottweiler.

Back when Will had hair, he was quite popular with the teens.

Purple really pops on the Queen!

Her Majesty looks like she's been naughty!

Look at the lovely blonde mop Prince Edward used to have.

Psychedelic Margaret on Mustique.

R80 Geez, Andrew better not be nosing around there in Toronto, looking for gossip.

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I don’t see how working as a deckhand in tight shorts means she was having sex for money with passengers/guests. Was she?

And I don’t know that Meghan was having sex for money with any yacht-goers, either. I don’t hang out on MM’s social media, but I don’t recall seeing any photos of her on any boats.

I think her milieu was SoHo House, not yachts. Different circle, no? And the foray into England wasn’t at the yacht level. Reality TV and athletes? Not exactly Branson and Murdoch.

Someone on here is trying very hard to deflect from Meghan's questionable behavior in the past ("rumors" of yachting; ghosting people; over-the-top ostentatious spending; cutthroat ambition and shameless hustling etc...) with a story about Kate's waitress job on a boat. Someone is very desperate. If you can't see by now HOW different these two women are, you are deluding yourself. Try again and TRY HARDER.

The Spencer Tiara will be on view on selected days this summer at Althorp House. Diana wore this tiara at her wedding and various functions.

Charles Spencer doesn't have access to Diana's wedding dress anymore, now that her sons are adults. I suppose he has to market something associated with her to keep visitors coming to Althorp. What a giant white elephant that place must be.

Harry will attend a luncheon for Trump, but Meghan isn't expected to attend. Does anyone know if she received an invitation?

R61 - I must have missed something over the last 24 hours - what do you mean the banishment to Africa is happening? The rest, of course, about the tabs digging in and people beginning to speak on the record, yes - but where did you see a new, recent announcement of the Harkles being sent to Africa for an extended period of time?

R97, she is on maternity leave, so won't be participating in any engagements for the next two months. She's 37, he's her first child and she wants to enjoy it in peace and privacy. She's not coming out to feed your monomania any time soon.

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Kate was slutting around as a teenage deckhand, fucking corporate clients and trying to get ahead. She then shacked up with William and lived off the public's money for 8 years. No job in all that time.

Meghan entered a highly competitive profession and managed to get tenure on a popular TV show for seven years. A huge achievement compared to Saint Kate of the Yacht, as another poster aptly dubbed her.

R101 - that article about kate made a point about how she didn’t fool around like some of the other girls... I’m not saying there’s any evidence of Meghan “yachting” but that article does not support your claims about kate at all either

In other words, R99, you don't know.

The megstans are in full force today . Meg was whoring around in Soho House to find a rich man . She knew her time was up as an “actress “ .

R74 So in other words Kate was sexually harassed. Cuz that’s all I got out that article.

R97 - As she's formally on maternity leave, I doubt it was felt she needed an invitation, and if she weren't, they'd have sent her off to a sudden visit to Morocco for the three days "at the government's request". They won't risk her very low dramatic skills being equal to doing what the royals frequently have to do (as posters above have pointed out): serving the strategic goals of the government and Britain by shaking hands with and smiling and making small talk at people who, e.g., carry out 200+ executions annually, most by the sword - and who also happen to be starving a few million people to death in Yemem in a proxy war with Iran in that tragic country (the Saudis, with whose royal family Charles is particularly friendly), corrupt African leaders too numerous to count, oligarchs of every stripe . . .

It's part of the job and as loathsome as Mr Trump is in many way, he's still an amateur compared to the Assads in Syria, Putin, Idi Amin, the Saudis, etc., etc., etc.

You don't get to parade your political views in the BRF - a lesson from which Meghan assumes she is exempt.

The UK governnment invited Trump, not the Palace. The Palace is required to fulfill its job as Head of State and welcome the another Head of State appropirately, and doesn't have the authority or power to say, "No, thanks, mates, you take him out to dinner - try Le Gavroche just off Knightsbridge - it's very cosy, he'll love it."

That's the job - great bennies, though: taxpayer renovated housing, an apparently limitless wardobe budget, luxury paid travel, and lots of magazine covers.

R102, it's way more evidence than the gossip forum anecdotes people here drum up for MM.

Looks like the Sussex duo are planning a TOUR of Africa for next year and a trip to South Africa this year, probably to escape the grey English winter. Cape Town is the favourite haunt of Brit royals and celebs. Sounds more like a fun vacation than a banishment.

^*appropriately

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, who sealed their blossoming romance with a trip to Botswana, are firming up plans to return to Africa.

I hear that officials in South Africa have been told to expect a visit by Prince Harry, Meghan and baby Archie later this year.

‘People have been informed that the Duke and Duchess will be coming,’ a source claims. ‘Early preparations have begun.’

The original story per Sir Geidt informed about the Harkles' going to "Africa" for an extended time. Immediately, Harkle PR started to spin it, mangle it and deny it. I don't need a "new" announcement to believe there has been a huge shift in the upcoming Life of Harkle. If they are unable to adjust they can certainly go to America, or wherever, if that suits them.

R56, I agree with all that. Those types use "beta" as an insult, implying that real men are alphas.

I stand by my point that William is an alpha in a literal sense. And if some people think he's an alpha in the hot-sexy sense, that's a question of personal taste.

It doesn't come off in interviews and set-up situations, but Prince Charles is actually very charismatic and charming.

I'm not saying that I'm an expert in these things, but I have met him 3x (charity work), and he comes across as very knowledgeable and engaged, with a lively curiosity.

And, damn me for saying it, Camilla is actually a delightful lady.

Prince Philip was extremely funny with a knack of putting people at ease (The Princess Royal is the same)

HMQ - was in a line-up to meet her, and was so nervous I nearly passed out.

And, yes, I am fully aware that I don't know these people, but I was a very small (but quite important) cog in these charity machines. And I'm also not a monarchist but think that when HMQ dies, something special (ik: MARY!) will disappear from my life.

I’m fascinated with how Meghan landed the prince. I imagine once she had penetrated certain circles, it was easy enough to look at Harry and go, “Why not? All I need is a shot.” From there it took the most artful of seduction techniques, and nerves of steel. I say this with admiration.

R104, except as a young looking 35, it wasn't up at all. She had at least ten years left. Shame Kate gave up the idea of a job aged 21.

R111 has been reading too much ugly A/B/O fan fic.

Yes, Cape Town is a much-desired holiday. Where even five-star hotels ask guests to adhere to water-rationing guidelines. My SIL traveled there for business and has stories. She hopes to never return. But I’m sure royals will be treated better than executives of a Fortune 25 company.

Trump wants to hang out with non judgemental men his own age - so he'll be happy with Charles and Andrew. Such a hierarchical buffoon will only be content with the Queen or the heir to the throne. He won't even want to meet the third generation.

R117, good point. And there aren’t any fuckable women around that joint, either.

Where did she stay r116? Because if it wasn’t Ellerman House or the Cape Grace, she’s not that important.

R99 - And how very embarassed you will be if, having declined to accompany her husband on a brief couple of hours privately with Mr Trump, she is nevertheless well enough to sacrifice heroically a few hours of said privacy, peace, and enjoyment of little Archie, to fly the flaf of her HRH-ness by riding in a horse-drawn carriage and coming out onto the Buck House balcony for the Trooping the Colour on 8 June in a brand-new designer outfit.

Of course, if she blows off Trump and then comes out for the Trooping the Colour, it willl be a statement in and of itself that will insult both the government and the BRF. So, my guess is, she won't appear for the Trooping the Colour.

But how delicious if she does.

^*fly the flag

R116, they will be happy to comply with the water rationing, strictures, if they even stay there. They'll probably head out to the Kruger Park.

R83, you're right about MM's fans. I listen to a podcast that devotes a lot of time to her and they've talked about not liking the shots of Harry doing charity gigs on his own and the long, boring captions. They want glamourous clickbait and Tig-style captions.

R120, let's hope for your sake that she does appear on 8 June, so that you can find it delicious, you sad shut in.

I hope she stays away from public life until after the christening.

R123, they know they won't be getting that, though. Do they follow Prince Andrew's IG hoping for tales of hook ups?

The latest 'boring' pics of Harry have over 3m likes. About 2m more than any of Kensington Royal's photos. 😂😂😂

R112 - I haven't gotten near as you have but I've always thought Camilla looked like the kind of woman it would be great to have a few pints with. She looks as if she doesn't take herself too seriously, and that wasn't something that could have been said about Diana.

I was a young man during the brief Kennedy ascendancy, but American friends of similar age who went to a political function with JFK in New York City said when he walked into a room, the place lit up, and that photographs didn't do justice to his charisma, and he was quite a bit more photogenic than the Prince of Wales. Years later, people had similar views on Bill Clinton, who had all the warmth and charisma his wife lacked.

Diana's charisma was based on youth and beauty and the whole fairy-tale archetype. Charles, still geek-ish at 32, hadn't a chance against his beautiful young leggy blonde wife. Now, he looks distinguished rather than geeky, and got the jolly, comfortable wife who isn't competing with him for air in the room.

Charles is a big environmentalist. I doubt he likes Trump one bit.

The first trip to South Africa sounds like a scouting expedition in preparation for the extended "fun vacation" recommended by Sir Geidt.

Meghan is also planning a trip to the US, according to recent articles. One way or another, it looks like the Sussexes will soon be on the move.

Big environmentalist with his private jet hops, truly. He's just a fan of lecturing the commoners.

R125. Ridiculous sugar. Meghan was a whore who fucked whomever will elevate her. Even rumored to have fucked disgraced matt Lauer.

R127 - He also parades himself as a humanitarian, yet he's very cosy with the Saudi royal family - always has been. Of course, that also dovetails with the UK government's geo-political position, but I think he actually has friends in the Kingdom's ruling family. The 200 or so beheadings each year don't seem to bother Charles one bit.

R125 - The Harkles could have followers on Saturn, it wouldn't matter. Nor do the popularity polls, although it bears repeating that she still comes out behind Wills and Kate in those, and in a more recent one, she out far behind them.

The long game goes, as it always has and always will, to the Cambridges - it's a hereditary monarchy and no amount of social media "followers" (most of whom aren't in the UK) will change the fact that in less than ten years, Meghan will be a middle-aged bore still trying to impress the world with her wokeness, whilst William and Kate will be Prince and Princess of Wales, the focus will be increasingly on their attractive growing brood, and no one will give fuck-all about Meghan pretentious twaddle.

That is, if she's still around. My own view is that once she's got two insurance policies with the BRF, she'll be off to build her Brand Meghan Empire.

Much to the relief of the BRF.

I hope the Sussex Instagram surpasses KP's soon, so R125 can claim the big she's awaiting so breathlessly.

R84 - And that's about all Diana got right re Charles and Camilla. Diana drove Charles out of his mind with her endless demands for endless attention and adoration, all issued through her perfect teeth.

At R133, "big win"

"My dear girl, what on earth are you wearing? It's see-through and no sleeves. You should know better, dear".

+1 with r113.

Careful. In these threads, I've been accused of being Duchess of Sussex "butt kisser" ( that's how far her hater's cheese is off the cracker; they believe these threads are known to her) if I'm entertained by her climbing, vixenish, mistake-prone (the shower) ways.

Only sheer hatred of her will do; nuanced, bemused, observation is frowned upon.

From a long experience in butt-kissing, I can tell you it only works for me with the people in my life that can do something for me.

R135, won't be long now. 3m likes is HUGE for an 8m account. Her followers are new and very active.

Princess Charlotte has tiny teeth now. It will be interesting to see what her grown-up teeth will look like when she loses her baby teeth. Will they be fine like her mother's or will she inherit the large Windsor horse teeth?

Yep, R137. But they think 'Sugar' is the ultimate insult, so we are dealing with Tumblr children who worship Kate like they worship Taylor Swift.

Hear, hear R120, I, too, would find it a tasty morsel.

And as almost always, agree with Della.

You're almost there, R138!!

R137 - oh do stop trying to be more important and special than you are, Della. No one cares how many butts you've kissed in your life.

I'd advise you NOT to lump all of Meghan's non-fans in the same boat. Some of us dislike her for good reasons and then others are bat shit crazy. You see the difference, don't you?

R119, I have no idea, she’s not being paid to brag about it on her IG. And she’s definitely not as important as an aged-out suitcase opener. She is reduced to working for a living.

R139 - In that photo, you can see how rapidly Pss. Charlotte is evolving into the image of her father and the Queen: she's all Windsor.

Young Elizabeth with artist and her bust.

R94 very well said! Makes me wonder is the whole MM alleged yachting background gaining some sort of traction in the media. It would seem every time there is a negative story about to break, her megastans come on here or the DM and preemptively go on the attack with Kate, this time accusing her of a "yachting" background. They always seem to project stuff on to Kate because MM is pathologically jealous of her.

Here's the thing Kate is from and very wealthy family, who were probably wealthier back then. She had no reason to prostitute herself for money, the Middletons had plenty to go around. Secondly she's not a whore, she's way to prissy and uptight to be one.

Michelle Obama and the Queen touch each other. Shock. Horror. Much ado about nothing.

Yeah, where’s the evidence of Meg’s *whoring*, *yachting* (i.e, prostitution?), first annulled marriage, mother’s having been in jail, child placed for adoption, plastic baby, etc.? FGS, you discredit us rational haters. (Or as I prefer to think of it, lovers of virtue.)

R149 - you see, those "rumors" are from the bat shit crazy people. Meghan has given the sane people enough material that they don't have to resort to ludicrous rantings.

The Queen loved to wear flower hats in the 1960's.

The Princess Royal Stare. I'm scared.

This guy captions this photo with the following: "I don't remember what I said but I probably deserved that look".

R149 Oh can we move off the yachting stuff? There's plenty of evidence that Meghan Markle was on the hunt for a rich famous British hubby and spent most of her energies in her twenties and thirties using her considerable talent for self-promotion in the pursuit of fame. The nonsense about yachting, surrogates, fake pregnancies, lifelike baby dolls is, most of us agree, the product of obsessed disordered minds.

R150 is spot on - there's enough visible evience that Meghan Markle has no interest in doing the job you are expected to assume on marrying in at this level, i.e., representing the British monarchy and Great Britain, but rather, representing herself and using the BRF as a platform to serve her personal agenda, without subscribing to lunatic theories that many of us who criticise her have repeatedly challenged.

Once again, I would invite comparison of Meghan to the fictional character Becky Sharp in Vanity Fair, the novel. Becky is poor, from a sketchy family – father was an artist and a drunk, mother some sort of dancer as I recall, who died when Becky was young but is idealized by her for social climbing purposes (“My mother was a Montmorency!”). Becky is not the nicest person, but she is attractive enough, witty and charming when she wants to be, and extremely ambitious. She befriends the right people on her way up, often playing the victim card – “woe is me, a poor girl without family or friends in this world.” Through her “arts,” she finally bags an aristocrat, not the top prize, but a good enough name - a soldier who is a kind of drunken irresponsible lout without access to the family fortune, but who adores her. Becky is not a terribly loyal wife or friend. She continues her flirtations and becomes a star on the vulgar social scene. She and the increasingly disillusioned oaf have a son. This is where we are in the story.

The topic of yachting is being pushed by the Meghan fanatic who, in reaction to the stories of Meghan's climbing and hustling, is trying to push the ridiculous narrative that Kate was a yacht girl. As another poster noted, it's simply her attempt to deflect from speculation about Meghan.

R154 - Completely agree that Thackeray's Becky Sharp is the model here. One would have thought the BRF educated enough in their own country's classic literature to have spotted the type and slammed the door in her face.

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning to the belief that Hapless Harry put on such an emotional display (eg. temper tantrum) about marrying Meghan so quickly that the Royals couldn't risk a total nervous breakdown (eg. Harry going completely rogue) and say "NO" to him. They probably suspected that she wasn't suitable but hoped for the best.

Charles with William and Harry.

R155 - Kate met William at university and it became so obvious so quickly that she had a real shot at landing him, that the idea that she would have blunted those chances by yachting for money (of which she and her family had plenty) is so illogical it beggars descritpion. It's just as absurd as Meghan faking a pregnancy with the collusion of the British royal family and the taxpayers who contribute to their lifestyle.

Kate's aces were her nice middle-class background, the experience of stable family life that the Middletons provided as William came home with Kate on weekends, napped on the sofa, and enjoyed Carole Middleton's famous Sunday roasts, Kate's discretion and silence through eight years of being William's primary squeeze, etc. RIght, Kate went off and risked wrecking that by "yacthing". Seriously?!

It is, as others have pointed out, a frantic attempt to put Kate in the same box as the image emerges of the ruthless, hard-arsed, do anything and fuck anyone for fame, too stupid to hide her calculating claws, Miss Markle.

R157 - They should have called Harry's bluff, because underneath it all, Harry knows that it is only his membership in the BRF that has given him the wealth and social status that makes him desirable to women like Meghan Markle. The man is an unemployed vagrant with nice family connections and a modestly well-off income without them, and he knows it. They should have told him he had to wait one year, go live with her for that time rather than just having a distance relationship with long breaks, and tested her by telling her that he thought they could do far more together outside the constraints of royal life and he wanted to marry her and get out. If he pleaded her age re having children, they should have told him that as he selected her knowing that, it was his problem, not theirs.

It was another bit of the indulgence that spoilt Harry in the first place.

I love the flower hats. Kate should bring them back.

It appears that Africa may still be happening, and I for one am looking forward to the gossip.

Yachting on the Solent looks delightful and frightfully middle class

R154, I love that you've been bringing up Vanity Fair. I only have vague memories of the book, but I do remember Becky. I'm drawn to the BRF these days precisely because it's a good story in that literary way, and Meghan indeed seems to be Becky Sharp come to life.

They should ship them off to the Bahamas where they belong.

R125, Meggie’s clicks are meaningless.

The Brits voted with their feet when they flocked to support Kate’s garden, waiting in line for up to two hours. No one cares if a million bored teenagers from Bumfuck USA click the “follow” button on an Instagram account.

Actions count. “Followers” are useless. This is something the click counters don’t understand.

What's her next move? It's wonderfully delicious how quickly she's managed to turn everyone against her besides a few stand. What is chicken legged Beck-Meg going to pull next?

R154 That’s so fascinating. What happens in the end? Does Becky Sharp continue her hustle?

Keep pervie Andy away from vulnerable Canadian teens!

The Kent family's wedding tiaras.

I love these old photos. This is Edward VII and Queen Alexandra with their family. The little boy in the sailor suit on the left is the Queen's father and the other one seated on the right is the future Duke of Windsor.

R149 None of those things that haters have tagged as "truth" are real, except the fact that Doria does have a criminal conviction listed on public records. Did she spend time in prison for it? Maybe, maybe not, but it was for a serious conviction if we assume that it was her first offense. As for "whoring" well that's what Hollywood/ wannabe actors and actresses get saddled with as far as rumors go, so she's not special in that regard at least on DL. The fake pregnancy and baby are only owned by the craziest of the unhinged loonies. Meghan's track record is shady enough that people don't need conspiracy theories to see that she's not the nicest nor a sincere person. Everything about her is forced and fake.

The engagement of Prince Edward and Sophie Rhys-Jones.

It's amaaazing that Markle had more than a year to endear herself to the family she never had, or at least some of them, not to mention the British public and media who for the most part welcomed her. Instead of using that time to win friends and influence people, she bullheadedly took a uniformly contrarian approach, just because she could. I guess. By my count, she has no confidantes in the family, and people like that stupid makeup artist are her spokesman...i just don't get the thinking behind burning the bridge you are standing on.

It's sad that there are still people, like R133, who think having more IG followers is a sign of success and happiness. I doubt well-adjusted people with right priorities in life give a flying fuck about IG followers, the only people who do are sad sacks who've not experienced life or who are shallow nevertheless.

R175, the post at R133 was poking fun at the poster at R125. She sees more IG followers as a "win", but of course there's no way for Harry and Meghan to get the prize that will automatically be awarded to Will and Kate.

What was the criminal conviction for? Do you have a link?

Exactly, R176. So they have to try to pretend that what they can achieve, cough, buy, is something that matters.

I am not certain that H is turning up to try to curry favor or just to get away.

Wonder how he feels about the new press. Bit humiliating, no?

The tourists in London are getting lots of parades to photograph. They're practicing for Trooping The Colour ceremony in June.

A terminally ill six-year-old boy named Alfie took the salute on behalf of the Queen at the practice.

R97, 99, 106, 120 As a woman of colour, she has expressed her anti-Trump views about his misogyny in the past so of course she will snub Trump's visit.

Her baby is only a few weeks old so I doubt that she would leave his side as he would need constant breastfeeding. By 1 to 2 months of age, a breastfed baby will probably nurse 7-9 times a day. Before the milk supply is established, breastfeeding should be "on demand" (when the baby is hungry), which is generally every 1½ to 3 hours. As newborns get older, they'll nurse less often, and may develop a more reliable schedule. Presently, he's too young to be bottle fed.

Really, you have to wonder at the subtle brilliance of the courtiers. There had been murmurings that there would be a State Visit for Trump in June with the inference being it would presumably be late June possibly early July to allow for arrangements; so I was surprised when they recently announced June 3rd to coincide the visit with the 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings.

I had expected it to happen after Trooping the Colour on the 8th. But either way, it's become a win/win in the case of disdain for Markle. She isn't involved in [italic]any[/italic] of the events associated with a visiting American president. (Hah, no tiara, no jewels, no inclusion for this minor royal.) And coming mere days to the State Visit, it is unlikely Megs will be on show for Trooping the Colour as well, because the supposed "maternity leave" which is why she is not visible for Trump's visit. It does put a damper on her merching acumen in some Dior or Oscar de la Renta monstrosity, but it saves the rest of us from having to look at her smug cow face on the balcony. Plus, she's probably still fat so there's that.

R168, you know, my memory is foggy. I know the marriage ends badly and she is shunned by everyone she betrayed and alienated. I've picked up the book, and from the last page, we learn:

- Becky brings some sleazy lawsuit against her former friends about money, and strong-arms her way to a win.

- She insists on her title: "She never was Lady Crawley, through she continued so to call herself."

- Her now grown son inherits his father's estate. "He, too, declines to see his mother, to whom he makes a liberal allowance."

And finally, Becky becomes a "humanitarian":

"Rebecca, Lady Crawley, chiefly hangs about Bath and Cheltenham, where a very strong party of excellent people consider her to be a most injured woman. She has her enemies. Who has not? Her life is her answer to them. She busies herself in works of piety. She goes to church, and never without a footman. Her name is in all the Charity Lists. The Destitute Orange-girl, the Neglected Washerwoman, the Distressed Muffin-man, find in her a fast and generous friend. She is always having stalls at Fancy Fairs for the benefit of these hapless beings."

Wonderful book, highly recommended. Though set in the early 1800s, the themes are timeless.

RF knew she was a hustling social climbing hoe. They allowed Harry to marry her to finally separate him from the family letting him hang himself.

RF has played the long game for 1000 years. Drip feeding MM’s hoe past is right on schedule. They gave her a year in the public eye. She did an overnight train ride and walkabout with the Queen. “We accepted her into our family we gave her everything she wanted”, they will say.

As Lord Overlord now controls her public appearances and her social media. How brilliant of them. But not surprising.

It’s only gonna get worse. It will crack MM. But she won’t kill herself narcissists rarely do. She and Harry will be divorced within a couple of years.

I enjoy this thread because I have most of the intense debaters blocked so if you come for me I am just going to block you thank you in advance.

R182, Hmmmm, why she can't Troop the Colors after Trump leaves? There'd be some tsk-tsk-ing in the DM and we'd smirk on here of course, but....? Do we think the Queen or Charles will say no, for appearances' sake? They always seem to bend the rules for her.

MM Won’t be making any official royal appearances for a long time. She’s fucked up too many times.

R185, because she's officially on maternity leave. And I think she's been told 'no' far more often than we believe. She's got a shack her husband doesn't own, is being booted out of KP, now has to be overseen by The Queen's people, etc. She hasn't gotten her way with a number of issues.

Who wants to tell R182 that the palace courtiers had much less to do with the timing than the British government and Trump's people?

Trump, and his base, love military shit. The British government needs to strengthen economic alliances ASAP as the country hurtles towards a No-Deal Brexit. Inviting Donnie and the gang to a series of high profile public events that are already planned will be cheaper than creating a new set of activities for him to attend.

R181 - so you know for sure that Meghan is breast feeding?

Louis wasn't even a month old when Kate attended Harry and Meghan's wedding (admittedly a family event.)

[quote] From a long experience in butt-kissing, I can tell you it only works for me with the people in my life that can do something for me.

R137 that's the kind of advice that keeps me coming back to DL.

[quote] I stand by my point that William is an alpha in a literal sense. And if some people think he's an alpha in the hot-sexy sense, that's a question of personal taste

The only people that talk like this are loser trumpsters

Loser

I have to repost this video. It's a cuteness overload.

R189 Most babies are breastfed nowadays for health reasons.

Use of infant formula has been cited for numerous increased health risks. Studies have found infants in developed countries who consume formula are at increased risk for acute otitis media, gastroenteritis, severe lower respiratory tract infections, atopic dermatitis, asthma, obesity, type 1 and 2 diabetes, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), eczema and necrotizing enterocolitis when compared to infants who are breastfed. Some studies have found an association between infant formula and lower cognitive development, including iron supplementation in baby formula being linked to lowered I.Q. and other neurodevelopmental delays.

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'In that photo, you can see how rapidly Pss. Charlotte is evolving into the image of her father and the Queen: she's all Windsor.'

God help her, then. Why she is worshipped here I have no clue. She is the Harry of her generation.

R194, certainly it is better for the baby. I wonder if MM is sticking with it. It can be very difficult at first, painful, time-consuming and boring. You’re immobilized for intervals and you have no control over the irrational little person who needs you for it.

I hope she is doing it and enjoying it. It can be difficult to stop what you’re doing, to be a baby’s only source of nourishment. It’s quite humbling.

R194 - that's all fine and dandy but we still don't know if Meghan is breastfeeding. It wouldn't surprise if she wasn't breastfeeding since she's so concerned about her appearance. Wouldn't she be worried about droopy breasts if she wants to be the sexy royal?

Forgot to add in my post @R198. I do not even know if Kate breast fed her three children.

Catherine did breastfeed.

Thought the narrative was that MeMe was going to breastfeed in public to normalize it? Always gotta one up.

Yea, but supposedly, breastfeeding makes you lose weight faster.

It is possible for nursing mothers to express breast milk to be fed to their infants whenever required, people figured out how to do it thousands of years ago.

They even make a strange thing called a 'Breast Pump'.

Yes breast-feeding does help to lose weight. Also, I'm not sure about America but int Britain it is very much a class thing - there is a much much higher level of breastfeeding among middle-class than working class mums. Other mothers in the social circles that Meghan will be moving in will be more likely to breastfeed than not I imagine, and they would probably look down a bit on bottle-feeding mums, even if they don't say it.

If she's saying she's going to be making her own baby food then she'll definitely be breastfeeding.

R202 - That moron makeup artist said that he could see Meghan making her own baby food. Meghan said nothing at all. So basically we know squat about what is actually happening. I cannot be sure that the Sussex family are living at Frogmore.

My post above was for R203.

R197 From my own experience, everyone that I know breastfeed. The only people that I know that were bottle fed with formula were from the 1960's and 1970's.

I have 3 sisters who lost weight very quickly after breastfeeding. In fact, they became thinner than their former selves.

Thought someone was going to go for an in person look see for any signs of habitation? Long weekend and all...

R206, nobody wants to hear that here - although I know it’s true because it was my experience. All the weight goes to the baby. As nature intended. It also decreases the risk of certain cancers. I’m very pro.

But having said that, it’s difficult for Type A women to spend so much time doing something that doesn’t yield “anything”.

In the 60's & 70's women were given tablets to stop production of breast milk after giving birth, that was the norm.

The UK sucks at breastfeeding.

Sugars actually believe sparkle is breastfeeding. I have to laugh at their naiveness. Well they are sugars for a reason since they are gullible and not bright.

Camilla looks like she wants to breastfeed this baby.

I have never found Dim attractive.

All of this discussion of breast feeding is making us thirsty. We never pass up a drink.

Meghan isn't an upperclass brit, she's a Goop-worshipping LA-lite. Very different mentality.

R174. Good point. Markle has distanced herself and doesn't have a royal girlfriend confidante. Diana and Sarah had each each other. Markle would have done herself well by getting cozy with Kate, but they have nothing in common, and Kate has her own family even outside of her kids. Markle really has no one. Markle should have even tried to befriend Beatrice, who may be a minor royal, but she's well-like within the family. Now Markle is hid away at that country cottage with no girlfriend's nearby. Maybe as her self-fashioned image as a "woman of the world" she thinks she doesn't need anyone other than her pretend friends Amal Clooney and Serena Williams who really aren't friends but instead trophy friends.

R216, Markle could have had Eug and Bea, but she pulled that nasty stunt with the maternity coat. If some cunt did that to my sister, they’d pay for the rest of their days.

Which reminds me: when the Harkles were at NotCott, supposedly they threw all-night parties. Who was attending these parties? That was news to me. Does anyone know?

R211 Since 81% of British mothers and 79% of American mothers attempt breastfeeding, one doesn't have to be a fan/stan/jan to speculate that Meghan is likely to breastfeed (at least for a little while).

R198 Meg's breasts are already droopy. And that's what boob jobs are for. I can't imagine Meg being opposed to surgical help.

She already has a nose job, we know for a fact she isn't opposed.

R219. Sparkle isn't a regular mom so she doesn't have to breastfeed her meal ticket. I bet you think she is so dotting on her child she can't take her eyes off him. She might pump the breastmilk in a bottle but I doubt the bitch let's the baby suck her nipple.

R221 doesn't understand how probability works.

R222. tell me more since you believe sparkle is held up in frogmore breastfeeding the hell out of Archie.

Where was the info about the all night parties?

Soho crowd attended would be my guess, if it, in fact, happened.

I do not believe any such thing R223. Please refer to my post at R219.

“Naiveness”, R211?

Even for the standards of Datalounge, that’s a spectacular “oh dear”!

She'll breastfeed for the minimum possible time she can get away with, and then brag about the experience forever.

R227 is correct.

R224, Jean-Pierre Jouyet, the French ambassador, quoted in The Sun. Apparently his home was near theirs. And fireworks, yet!

I know The Sun is a tabloid, but they quoted him, so.

I wonder if they can lure their fabulous party animal friends out to blow up some frogs at the Cottage.

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R227 World Health Organization recommends exclusive breastfeeding up to 6 months of age with continued breastfeeding along with appropriate complementary foods up to 2 years of age or longer. Mothers should be encouraged to breastfeed their children for at least 1 year.

Thanks for the link to the quote. The story also has them moving to Frogmore HOUSE though?

r64 And love. In those aristocratic families long serving members of staff are also beloved, sometimes more so than members of the family. They're not just employees. Which is what MeGain doesn't understand, although she clearly doesn't know how to treat employees either.

I must admit to being very amused by her need to put out PR that she's not attending because she's on maternity leave. Really? A state visit is the one time you can wear a tiara, this is a woman who wanted to wear a tiara in Fiji. She wasn't invited. No way would she turn down the opportunity to get her hands on a tiara.

Siri, what's the most vapid article ever written?

[quote] During a party last week, he said: “It is so quiet here now that Harry and Meghan have left.

[quote] “They used to have fireworks, soirees that would go all night, friends and family coming and going.

[quote] “Now all we see and hear is the helicopters landing. It's boring now.”

The French ambassador seems sad the Sussexes have moved. One wonders if their new neighbours will enjoy their parties as much as he did? Or maybe they've become smug boring married people who don't throw great parties.

Agreeing with R228 - R227 is correct.

Also, to the La Leche League Troll, here's hoping you're actually a troll, and just trying to get a reaction, and not earnestly posting about the benefits and guidelines of breastfeeding.

R234’s article makes me wonder if Eug and Bea are going to be pressed into serious service as working royals. Someone here mentioned their prominence. And perhaps the Harkles receding a bit?

What does DL think?

R236, those posts crack me up. While I support breastfeeding... THIS IS NOT THE PLACE.

I’d rather hear about Laduree Macaron Towers. Actually, I’d like to live in one.

If we could possibly move on from breastfeeding. Should Beatrice announce an engagement to Edo, when do we think it might be? I’m going for late fall, possibly around the holidays. They have to have dated at least a year.

R237 - I think I've seen more of Bea and Yuge over the past few - months, is it? Noticeably more of them, and in an official capacity.

Does the RF know it can't count on Hazbean to do their duties? Has it given up on them and moved fully into a containment mode when it comes to the Superstah Sussexes?

And why is it that stans can't see how the weeping makeup artist and the calligraphied Letter to Daddy That Was Definitely Not Meant To Go Public, No, Not Ever and the cringe quotes in People aren't the campiest events since Angelina Jolie saved the world?

Wedding Rumours for Bea and Edo?

R238 I confess I find macarons middling in terms of deliciousness. A scandal, given my title. They are, however, de rigueur (and they MUST be Laduree, branding visible and/or subtly noted in the caption) on all Basic Social Media.

As for Bea and Edo, I do hope they get married. I find Edo quite good looking and think his wide-spaced and generally pleasing facial features might give their children a fighting chance in the looks department. The Yorkies are useless and spoiled, obviously, but neither of them seem unlikable or mean.

Also just wanted to say that at the beginning of the week I blocked 2 (just 2) posters of the "William is old and fugly, you're all cunty cunt cunts: variety and have pretty much wiped out ALL posts of that nature form my view. It really is 1, maybe 2 people posting that stuff. Blocking has been fabulously effective. Recommend.

Yeah, right, Meg is going to breastfeed. They’ll do what they always have: hire a wet nurse. Even a peon’s teats will do.

I believe Meghan will breastfeed, because I believe Meghan's image is the most important thing to Meghan, and breastfeeding is necessary to maintain that image (most motherly mother who ever mothered, most natural and earthy mother of them all, least likely mother to stand non-motherishly on the steps of a hospital in heels, serene and beatific mother, before whom even the original Mother shrinks in shame.)

The Qjueen was breastfed for the first few months; Diana breastfed for the first few months; Kate breastfed for the first few months. Meghan will likely do the same. It's the done thing nowadays.

R239 - I"m guessing a November announcement for another, Gawd 'elp us, April or May wedding at St. George's Chapel.

As a distant observer, I say promote the York girls. There’s something pleasing about them. And I actually think Bea is the better-looking one. Either way, I think they were raised by loving parents, are better-adjusted and don’t have the slightly predatory look of the Waleses. Am not sure it’s such a good idea for the scions of the Royal House of Winghers to on and on about their mental health. Same as putting them in casual, scruffy clothing to make them more “relatable”. I can’t believe Harry goes out looking like such a slob. Really, for an upper-crust Brit. I mean, don’t they have a Jeeves in the house!

Edo is enjoying being seen with Bea as it will raise his profile but he won't marry her.

R242, the best macaron I’ve had was a plain marzipan-my with vanilla in the center. I can’t abide the fancy flavors, which are all just trying to compensate for lack of excellence. It’s mostly about the texture for me, anyway. I’m calling it now - madeleines are the next Basic Social Media obsession.

And I would adore it if Bea and Edo married. Probably won’t happen. But Meghan would probably get a boost if it did happen and the media went in on HIM.

Too bad Trump and Meghan won't get the chance to discuss in person how much they have in common; things like how to convince everyone you think you 're the smartest person in the room, how to get a spray tan just so, how to manufacture your past, how to over-embellish your credentials, what it's like to have a deranged fan base, how to balance the impulse to constantly be on one's device especially at 5 am in the morning, how to pretend to not read about one's self, how to badly compensate for figure shortfalls with "who do you think you're kidding?" fashion fails, challenging hair and forcing it against nature, how to ignore a raging inferiority complex, the difficulties of reminding everyone how you are the best at everything you do, how to get your "friends" to tell the press !ow incredibly brilliant you are, the weight of being so entitled, how hard it is to get good employees... those two could talk all night!

The girls have been promoted since last month, R247, each getting 100,000pa. That's a nice amount for the loyal princesses, as the family prepares for the Sussexes to take a powder.

R183 Thank you for that. It certainly sounds like an eerie warning from a couple of centuries ago. Social climbing hasn’t changed much since the 1800s has it!

R250 made me cackle. It’s funny because it’s true.

R243 Meg probably wants to breastfeed in order to lose weight quickly.

R251 - £100,000 a year from whom? The Queen? Charles? The SG? Link to info, please.

I think Edo would be delighted to marry Bea and become a member of the British Royal Family. Hell, I’d be tempted myself, just to have that front seat to history. Just think of all the people you get to meet. Your ass kissed everywhere you go. Sounds good to me, where do I sign up?

Sounds like our favorite couple has been sidelined in all but location and that is coming?

As far as breast surgery, Markle has already been there. She had implants in the Victoria Beckham style; in other words, they looked like half-grapefruits bolted on her quite low-set flapjacks. Pictures of that era, with sexay low cut necks, were so hilarious that even blind Markle could see it, and she subsequently had them removed.

R247, add to your list: they’re not petulant about doing it, and seem oblivious to the cameras. They’re not too grand for the appearances. Watching Meghan at the elder home, in her sausage-casing dress, overly animated and chewing up the scenery, you could tell the oldies were done with her shit. Bea and Eug don’t act like asshole celebs doing a huge favor.

[The French ambassador seems sad the Sussexes have moved. One wonders if their new neighbours will enjoy their parties as much as he did? Or maybe they've become smug boring married people who don't throw great parties.]

R235, it does sound that way, although I can’t imagine enjoying fireworks and noise. Maybe, being French, he does. Maybe it was fun people-watching.

I’m the nutbar who keeps saying that Meg and Harry should throw fabulous parties at Frogmore and turn it into a fun and social place. They could probably make an invitation to Frogmore something to be coveted. She could impress everyone with her Pinterest decor and American-style canapés!

Edo seems to enjoy hanging around with Bea's family.

Edo prefers east asian women

The Royals are at serious risk of having a 'Staff Shortage' if HM Queen dies (as expected) within the next 10 years. The Kent's, Gloucester's and Princess Alexandra will be effectively retired and The Princess Royal will be nearly 80.

That will leave a core of (a very old) Charles & Camilla, William, Harry, Kate and Meghan (and Andrew, Edward & Sophie). So not enough Royals to go around. They are likely to need Beatrice and Eugenie to perform some functions for a few years.

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Or they could just limit the events that show up at, so that having a royal there is actual special rather than the equivalent of the local mayor

Kate and Wills had a few luxury holidays within the first year of George's birth. From the Daily Beast, June 2014:

Kate went to Mustique at the end of January 2014 for a ten day vacay with her family, when baby George was photographed as she changed planes.

William went on a controversial shooting holiday in Spain recently.

The young royals arrived in the Maldives at 9:45am this morning on a British Airways flight, the Royalist understands.

Local paper HaveeryOnline reports that the royal couple are known to be spending their vacation at a resort in Noonu atoll.

Next month they are off to Australia on a royal tour.

It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

Edo's cute. Reminds me of a young David Cassidy.

I think Harry and Me-Gain may not be around to pitch in.

The French Ambassador might have been bs-ing about the all-night parties, making a little joke.

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Beatrice and Eugenie may get a boost if Harry & Co. are going to spend an extended time in Africa.

Bea looks happy in those photos R270. I feel for her, as an older sister who also reached most romantic milestones after my 18 months younger - and prettier, if I'm going to be brutally honest - sister. And I didn't have the pressures of the public eye and princessdom on my shoulders. I'm not weeping for Bea, but I hope she does end up with someone(s) in her life who loves her (and is not a blood relation).

Anyone willing to walk out on a long term partner and tiny child to chase fame is not someone I would wish on anyone. Far to much like MeMe FedExing back the rings. These are not humans who value others. Hint, staring at cameras is s red flag.

At first, the stans' line was basically 'the Queen loves her, everyone in the RF loves her and thinks she's the best thing since sliced bread, everyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.' It has now morphed into the seeming belief that there is some kind of racist plot against Meghan to keep her and Harry in the shadows, away from the main action (where, as they believe, the natural Superstars would outshine the Cambridges in every way). Kaiser on Celebitchy has seem quite pressed about it lately.

So they do see something is up and not all is peaceful in the RF since Hazbean's marriage. They're just writing it all off to racism, which seems a little convenient.

It's just interesting to see that even long-term royal watchers and gossip hounds don't see or understand the obvious: that Meghan has badly misunderstood (or openly defied) her new role as Duchess and high profile member of the RF. From my perspective it looked like they did everything they could to welcome her, and that even now she and her odious ginge are being handled with kid gloves. Literally all she had to do was get the realization that it was now about the RF, and not about her, into her head. She didn't, and it seems still has not.

I must say, it's all very, very entertaining.

R264 He already is.

Kaiser and her minions think the BRF and its fusty ways must change to suit breath of fresh air Meghan. Meghan likely agrees. If she's a narcissist as many have speculated, she's incapable of fulfilling the role she willingly chose.

R273, you’re right. Of course, Bea is going to disregard that little fact. She’ll probably get him to marry her and impregnate her, and that’ll be enough.

He’s handsome, and maybe the genetic diversity will make a truly beautiful baby.

R277 Very valuable sperm.

Racism is a more difficult card to play in the UK, we don't really have a history of it.

Racial segregation has never existed and we were the first democracy to condemn slavery (which barely existed until it's effective abolition in 1772).

Plus she doesn't present as a black woman and I don't think that she has ever dated a black man.

UK lives/breathes class-based society, and any historical race-based issues in the uk that do exist would be more based on scot v. irish v. welsh v. english, and the v. mainland euro

lots of people on the internet work off the assumption that the entire world operates like america, since they've never left that bubble. Or if they did, they stayed in tourist areas where they don't get exposed to new things.

The UK has become a joke. Their days of glory are long gone.

r279 Bullshit. We do have a long and inglorious history of racism. We were also the largest slave trader in the world. We may not have had many slaves on blighty but don't pretend we aren't a racist nation and were some how virtuous when it came to slave trading. You know abolishing slavery lead to colonisation en masse? However racism does not manifest itself the same way as it does in the US. Our friend Sparkle is white passing. What racism she will experience is limited. Most people who see her as white and treat her accordingly. She will be more tripped up by her complete lack of class. We expect our royals to behave a certain way, she is not. So she is not liked. Also doesn't help she is a greedy, obvious, self centred social climber.

I'm pretty sure the Ottomans and the general arab slave trade made the UK seem cute in terms of slavery

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r283, yeah tell that to the slaves.

The way I see it is, England went to other places and essentially enslaved the natives on their own turf. Americans imported them because we had plenty of space.

The British Empire was impressive at its height.

*shrugs*

Let's play a game of which slavery was the worst.

Greece, China, Spain, France, Japan, India, Portugal, Egypt please chime in now.

Kate's bush was above being judged.

Meghan's bush won a People's Choice Award for Best Space to Grow.

Britain enslaved America and Australia.

If Edo joins the family officially, do we expect him to behave properly? Is he a rogue like Meghan?

Lady Amelia Windsor keeping it classy at Paris Fashion Week.

Edo will behave perfectly, and he'll be scornfully judgmental of Meghan, especially around his mother- and father-in-law. My prediction, anyway.

I predict MeggySharp will appear for the Trooping of the Color to show off her rapid weigh loss and set to rest any rumors of her not bouncing back lickety split while sporting her trademark smirk. Her bump cupping will be replaced with patting Archie's back incessantly.

I agree, R294, she'll be there.

Or at least we can have fun speculating: Will she or won't she?

R295, I think she DEFINITELY will be. She can wear some strong foundation garments (for once in her goddamn life) and look slim enough. Wearing black. Belted. The baby will be out of sight, but he can’t be far away if she’s breastfeeding.

Who knows where she’ll be next year at this time? She might be at the southern tip of the Dark Continent (or worse!) and this may be her only other chance to be included in the photos.

Re r292, that’s an awful look. There are so many other ways for young women to show off their lithe bodies and not look stupid.

[quote] She might be at the southern tip of the Dark Continent (or worse!)

Let's step back from racist imperialist references, shall we?

R292 Lady Amelia looks rather Russian. Pretty girl, but definitely looks like a young Russian mail order bride.

Also, she never smiles or opens her mouth or shows her teeth. I found ONE photo that exposes her teeth. They look fine to me (better than other royals!) so I don’t know why. Maybe she is an unhappy little thing.

When Prince Charles becomes king, Archie will be known as HRH Prince Archie. He will be the male grandson of the king through the male line.

Question for Brits - is smirking a pet peeve in your culture? I see people comment about it a lot in the DM comment section when they publish Meghan articles.

None too subtle

Wow, Bea’s guy is stunning. She needs to put a ring on that ASAP. Of course he’ll screw around and leave her eventually but she’ll get some cute babies.

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That just links to a video of Bea and Edo, R304.

I bet he misses his stunning yellow ex

R305 The post at R304 has half of the article. Here's the other half.

[quote] Architect Edo, who accompanied Bea to her cousin Gabriella Windsor’s wedding last weekend, has been ‘liking’ leggy Dara’s posts about her design firm and her building projects in London and Italy.

[quote] Dara, who has a son, Christopher, with Edo, has been posting gushing comments on pictures of his firm’s work.

[quote] What will Beatrice make of it all?

C’est tout

Ewwww the racist jumped out yet again at R306. Same Nazi who called Africa a 'dark continent' upthread.

The Sun has another article on meme, something tumblr reported she's ago.

It's funny to see how meghan gets under so many jealous cunts skin.

I wonder what rising sign she is. I do admit her smile/smirk can be irritating because it makes her look like a mean girl. She doesn't have a sweet resting smile. It does look smug but I don't think she can help it.

Princess Eugenie has an actual career. She completed her studies at Newcastle University in 2012, earning a 2:1 in English literature and history of art.

In 2013, she moved to New York City for one year to work for the online auction firm Paddle8 as a benefit auctions manager.

In July 2015, she moved back to London to work for the Hauser & Wirth art gallery as an associate director and was promoted to be a director in 2017.

Princess Eugenie receives no allowance from the Privy Purse.

She's was an actress for how long? literally the one group of people that should know how to handle faces and how to present themselves.

There is no link to any criminal conviction of Doria. That is a mean-spirited rumour.

Prince Andrew is far more likely to face criminal conviction (for having sex with a minor victim of sex trafficking).

[quote] a minor victim of sex trafficking

You may want to rethink that phrasing.

More on Princess Eugenie's career:

The cousin of Prince William took five weeks off in her first ten weeks at her job as an associate art director at Hauser & Wirth, and most recently, she bounced over to Switzerland to attend the UNAIDS Gala hosted by Design Miami in Basel, marking her seventh overseas vacation since August.

R314 It seems fairly understandable. Prince Andrew had sex with a minor (under age 18) victim of sex trafficking.

Please let us know if you need further explanation.

I understood what you meant without the need for another link. I found the turn of phrase was amusing. Don't be so humourless.

R317 Tut tut

Was this comment by Harry discussed?

You can see how Kate's figure above is like a adolescent male - lanky with no hips or breasts.

She also has no waist.

No breasts, hips or waist.

From above it is clear that both William and Harry prefer women with boyish figures: no waist, hips or breasts.

I wonder what childhood issues they share that led to this preference.

Kate's legs remind me of a male balett dancer

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Listen, if Edo hadn’t married the ex already, he may have had one foot out the door before he even took up with Bea. I bet the ex thought the whole situation over, and came to a practical conclusion. “You know what? We have a kid together. This is a forever royal connection for my kid, and for me, too, indirectly at least. And there’s probably some money to be gotten out of it. Might as well stay friendly.”

That’s what I’d do, anyway. Always look on the bright side!

The ex comes from a wealthy family.

R322 - Kate has a waist, breasts, and nice legs.

R326 Still, a royal family connection is good. And you can never be too rich.

Is Smeg going to start doing something about her hair now that she's no longer pregnant? Because it looks nasty.

Bea has no money. How is him walking out on her and their child going to make her richer, pray tell?

[quote] I bet the ex thought the whole situation over, and came to a practical conclusion. “You know what? We have a kid together. This is a forever royal connection for my kid, and for me, too, indirectly at least. And there’s probably some money to be gotten out of it. Might as well stay friendly.”

Edo is the one liking Dara's posts about work. He's the one reaching out to her, not the other way round.

R310 She is Cancer rising - presents as sensitive and maternal. Harry must have loved that.

R331 Oh. Well, a cordial situation would be best all around in any case.

Bea has millions. Have you lost your mind?

Poor Prince Dim,

He didn't take it well when his family tried to tell him that his wife is a whore. But at least he could flounce and they shut up because they love him.

Not true of the DM, Sun, etc. They don't love him, and they can make money talking about his wife being a whore.

R319, Kate is the new "jewel in the crown"

R332, Cancer is a diseased crab. Gross.

More like a cold snake, R332. Presents as, indeed!

Oh, now. I'm Cancer rising myself. We're not bad, just a little crabby.

Me-Gain is stone cold, crab puns aside.

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Boy, people take things very seriously on this thread. Can't even have a little pinch of fun with a crab pun. Feh!

R330 yes it must be awful to be Bea living in the squalor of St James Palace and on the weekend having to slum it up at The Royal Lodge.

Beats Toad Hall...

Prince Harry has no respect for the paparazzi. He pointed the finger of blame on the paparazzi for Princess Diana’s death.

St James's Palace

R345, yes but bless his heart he probably also blames tires, tunnels, oil slicks, and hopefully shady useless scions of millionaires (much like himself, but that's another story) if he's got the intellectual firepower to add 1 and 1.

[quote]As a woman of colour, she has expressed her anti-Trump views about his misogyny in the past so of course she will snub Trump's visit. Her baby is only a few weeks old so I doubt that she would leave his side as he would need constant breastfeeding. By 1 to 2 months of age, a breastfed baby will probably nurse 7-9 times a day. Before the milk supply is established, breastfeeding should be "on demand" (when the baby is hungry), which is generally every 1½ to 3 hours. As newborns get older, they'll nurse less often, and may develop a more reliable schedule. Presently, he's too young to be bottle fed.

whaaat? not meet with Trump at the upcoming US State Dinner - where as the new American Duchess, she'd be a star attraction -?

She'd be missing out on all the fun. As would baby Archie! Of course she'd bring him with her, esp as she's breastfeeding. Givenchy makes gorgeous gold lame nursing slings to wear for formals - why pass up a chance to wear one. It'd be like two stars of the day instead of one - double the attention! Genius.

Trump is a shallow ass. Meghan isn't pretty enough to fire his jets.

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MM must have been told "Not allowed" to the state dinner. The RF wouldn't want her sitting there in all her finery making special rehearsed faces for the papers next day. But you know she would have loved it, she would sit next to Idi Amin eating someone's liver if there was a chance she could wear a new tiara and Diana's jewels.

She'd give Idi Amin a lap dance while eating Diana's liver if it meant getting to wear the good jewels.

R351 No one wants to meet Trump unless they are forced to. Meghan didn't invite him to her wedding.

Big deal. She didn't invite her own family to her wedding. She only does what promotes her. She's ME ME ME Megan for a reason.

Fangurling a smidge in the corner toward R347...

That aside, thinking back upon that "contract" she foisted on Trevor as her litmus of demands before she would consider getting pregnant, I would not be at all surprised if she is in traction getting snipped, tucked, sucked, and sliced so that she can pretend for the world how she bounced back from pregnancy and regained her erm, figure. After all, she does have a proven history of not being averse to going under the knife for enhancements.

R353 with your diseased logic she didn’t invite the Obamas to her wedding.

R356 She couldn't invite any other politician otherwise it would offend Trump. It would ruin the U.S. and U.K. diplomacy.

The author of the DM article at r58 is crazy, at least for over here! All those trees and shrubs, the structures (there's that little bridge), and the brook---where does one get that?!---would be more than 10 times his estimate!

This is stupid. The Obamas don't give a damn about the Harkles wedding. They've got their own brand and legacy to uphold, and it doesn't include yacht girls.

Would Sarah Ferguson be homeless if Prince Andrew didn't let her crash at his place?

Would Megan Markle be homeless if Queen Elizabeth didn't let her crash at hers?

Markle is a royal, Fergie is not.

Courtesy HRH until citizenship.

R362, for now.

The only proven YACHT GIRL in the royal family is slutty, jobless Kate Middleton.

Isn't there anyone else in this family to talk about?

F and F the silly woman who keeps referring to Fugenie as 'Princess Eugenie'. Such a prissy bitch. She also spazzes on about stupid horse faced 'Princess Charlotte'.

F and F the disgusting Welp Troll.

Any post with these words is her:

welp

oof

whoops

meh

eh

I always have time for your sartorial expression, Princess R366. Do regale us.

Eugenie's husband is her half-third cousin twice-removed through Thomas Coke, 2nd Earl of Leicester.

That's "HRH Princess," to you, mind you, R369.

Meghan is lying low until Archie's christening. What a disappointment for the bitches here.

Am I missing something? I thought the celestial new mother was in isolation with bebe for complete bonding, per the book grandmother Doria sent her.

How can you be in isolation/ bonding mode with constant visitors?

I am still waiting to hear how Meghan superwoman, who was going to work through her maternity leave, is going to accomplish this as well. She had two months off before the birth, unlike the majority of pregnant women who work up to the last minute before having babies. Many U.S. women barely have six weeks off, if they're lucky.

I was promised photos of Meghan in handcuffs. I was promised justice.

R373 American exceptionalism in the developed world: no universal paid maternity leave.

In the UK a lot of women take 6 months at least.

You guys don't get it. MM joined the BRF expecting a life of luxury and laziness, so YES of course she will be taking the full six months off.

R373, when did she say she was going to work through her maternity leave? Link?

I very much doubt that Meghan would have wanted to attend any of the Trump events. It would be very off-brand for her to be seen socializing with Trump world, especially as her fans see her as a celeb and don't understand the diplomatic function of the RF.

I also doubt that she was invited--imagine if she had accepted and then pulled some kind of woke stunt.

I am missing the breasts and waist on this woman.

R373 Are you a hermit? You seem clueless in regards to human interactions.

You can still bond with a baby with visitors around. It's normal for friends and family to help out with a newborn. It's also good for the baby to socialize with other people.

R380, exactly.

Edo has been severely criticised for dumping the mother of his 2 year old son and that could be why he has publicly reached out to her, so he would look like less of a rat. Dara Huang is beautiful, talented and accomplished, from a distinguished family. Bea is none of those things, but she is the granddaughter of the queen, which must be her only attraction.

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R383 here

I am assuming that the child is a sentient being and not a doll, like the one that the Queen was cooing at last month.

I see no redeeming characteristics in MM, but she should be able to enjoy time with her baby outside the public eye.

Since MM has proven so resistant to royal protocol, I am wondering if she was the same in former jobs. Did she refuse to speak the lines in the script or wear the assigned costumes?

Lighten up R373! Ever hear of sarcasm?

They have large eyes.

' I am assuming that the child is a sentient being and not a doll, like the one that the Queen was cooing at last month.'

Skippy is back!

Remember Reitmans?

And because it’s bitchy to just drop it here, I have to say that Meghan looks good in these photos. That cranberry is a fantastic color on her. And the clothing looks good. She should stop trying to be so grand and designer-y.

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I'd be a fly on the wall for that, R391.

Remembering what was...Will with and without hair.

An unusual photo of the Queen and Prince Philip. It looks like the Badminton Horse Trials.

The Queen is worried that her husband has lock jaw.

A great video showing the Queen from childhood to maturity.

Photos of the Imperial State Crown.

The Queen and Philip with their young family.

Can posters on DL STOP sending the Queen your favorite photos. Thank you.

R393, William's look on the left is his " Shy Di" lowered visage. To the right you see the future of Prince George, who from birth has sported the same pince-nez of his sire.

Laughing at the poster who thinks that Kate working for Chay Blyth off the Isle of White is the same as the prostitutes that are invited onto yachts in the Med.

Wight.

yes sorry wasn't thinking,ty

All of HM's children had a period of beauty when they were extremely young, EXCEPT for Charles. But I'd say he's the most distinguished looking for the four now. Funny how that works.

Charles looks like a red faced alcoholic, hardly distinguised.

Howling with laughter at the poster who thinks Meg's ALLEGED yachting is more significant than Kate's CONFIRMED yachting. Those pretty yacht girls are hired to look good and service the corporate clients. The article even says that concubine Kate went to the Caribbean with one of them.

Kate was 19 and beautiful, getting passed round on yachts off millionaire haven the Isle of Wight. Disgraceful.

R353 - American presidents were not invited to the Wales wedding in 1981, the York wedding in 1986, the Cambridge wedding in 2011, or the Sussex wedding. The actual bride gets a limited number of invitations for friends and family, and the BRF, with the clearance of the government dictates which heads of state get invitations. Nancy Reagan represented the US at the Wales wedding in 1981.

You will note that the Obamas weren't at William and Kate's wedding, where heads of state were kept to as much of a minimum as possible.

The Sussex wedding was a second rate semi-private wedding of the sixth in line. Ms Markle wouldn't have had either the authority or permission to "invite" the American president, whoever he or she was, to her wedding. You will note that her pal Michelle Obama wasn't there, either.

There weren't any crowned heads of Europe there, either, as there were at the Cambridge wedding.

In terms of politicians and heads of state, she gets at her wedding what the government and the BRF tell her to get. End of. And that went for William and Kate, too.

That's the way royal weddings work - never mind second-rate quasi-royal weddings of spares well down the line of succession.

I agree r405, you are disgraceful.

R405 is a Megstan troll.

R405 - Have you tried chamomile tea to soothe your terrible case of We Must Tell Vicious Lies About Kate to Make Meghan Look Good Because Meghan Looks Increasingly Bad, dear?

R390 - Agree, she looks much, much better there. Of course, it's an advertisement - so a few seconds before the shot is taken, a hairdresser, makeup artist, and wardrobe person have just stepped away. It's too bad she hasn't taken a lesson from the way she looks when said team does her up and tried replicating their efforts. Of course, she's also younger.

If you all weren't talking about frau R405, I wouldn't even know she's there. Just block her.

Nobody cares about the ravings of a Smegstan.

On another thread, she calls herself Fragile Frau.

In almost every Reitman’s shot, she’s got her hands in her hair.

I understand she’s posing, but it’s so gross. And it makes her look a little crazy.

Aren’t people taught any more it’s rude to fiddle with their hair in public?

Looks like Big Willy will be at Wembley tomorrow.

'Aren’t people taught any more it’s rude to fiddle with their hair in public?'

Yes, do tell all the millions of models who touch their hair in shoots (and the photographers who instruct them to) that the Marys here think it's so rude! But a flimsy, poorly chosen skirt flying up round your hips while your husband is greeting the troops is just so lady like!

Surely you can do better than this?

R414...urgh. His forehead is smaller than his huge jowly chin. Such an odd looking man.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/prince-william-aston-villa-fan-14308959

This is why William supports a Brummie team. I was curious,as,being a Rugby League fan, we tend to be tribal to our home town team.

Misogynist Marys: Meghan was a prostitute on yachts in the Med. We know this because ALL young actresses do this! The Victorians got it right - actresses are WHORES!

Also Misogynist Marys: Kate's boss gave an interview to the Mail about employing her for her looks to serve his corporate clients, who loved her tight shorts! She hooked up with a millionaire and he took her to the Caribbean, but it was all innocent because Kate is a nice middle class girl who went to private school! Kate was a VIRGIN until King William deflowered her!

R417, link doesn't work. Can you try attaching at the website link below the text box in your reply?

I can confirm the tribal nature of your football club fans. I have a friend who is cursed with being an Ipswich fan. Devastating most of the time.

Sorry,hope this works!

As far as I know, there's no evidence that Meghan was a yacht girl.

R420, what a vile picture. He has a face like a balloon and his skull is such a weird shape, with that little forehead. 🤮

R421, trying to get onto the cast of Made in Chelsea (like The Hills' Steph Pratt did) or dating hot but not rich Oliver Cheshire doesn't make her a hoe. Is Bea a hoe for hooking up with an attractive millionaire instead of a retail worker?

Very nice story R420. Thank you.

[R422}, well he does nothing for me either,but the royal family are not the most beautiful. He looks like his mother who also looked horsey, but at least he wears clean clothes unlike his scruffbag brother.

R425, Diana had much better teeth and a much more defined chin and jawline, together with bigger, brighter eyes. He gets that weak chin from the male Spencer line.

R413, I think it’s supposed to be sexy. In non-sexual situations, it’s unsanitary. I don’t want your hair product or sebum or dandruff or shed hair anywhere me, thank you.

R421, I’ve said that in the past. SoHo, I can easily imagine. I haven’t seen evidence of yachting at Cannes/Mediterranean.

[427] The nearest I can find is a screenshot of a tweet that she didn't reply to in 2016. So zero evidence of her prostituting herself on yachts anymore than there is Kate. The weirdo's love to weird though (sigh)

R428, there is more evidence for Kate. I'm sure she would have returned to that world to find a partner if she hadn't met Wills.

The Queen and Lady Louise heading to church.

Lady Louise has braces.

I like Lady Lulu's jaunty hat.

I really don't believe either Kate or Meghan were yacht girls.

The Queen has a dead animal draped over her arm.

A royal meme.

Prince and Princess Michael of Kent with their daughter Gabriella's wedding dress designer Luisa Beccaria.

Ella getting ready for her big day.

The newlyweds talking to The Queen.

The formidable Queen Mary in all her finery.

R436 wonderful photo, they look so grand, love it!

Queen Mary wasn't much of mother but she liked this baby.

Another choker for Queen Mary.

I dunno about boats, but Hollywood is a tough place for struggling actresses. Generally speaking.

Like her or not, Mary looked like a Queen.

The present Queen resembles her grandmother Mary.

[R441] That picture could almost be the Queen in fancy dress. I guess all families are like that but we don't have access to so many old photographs.

I don't either, R433, and I also doubt that Meghan prostituted herself in the Soho world, at least in the traditional sense.. Rather, it appears she aggressively worked the Soho angle for entrée into a certain circle with the aim of networking and landing a famous, wealthy spouse. I'm sure plenty of women have done it, though not as successfully as Meghan.

Queen Mary is gorgeous. She passed on her good looks to Bertie. I don’t know the other kids.

Sohoe. Yup, that's it.

R447, that’s what I think, too.

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Queen Mary has a neck like a giraffe. Perfect for chokers.

There are persistent stories about MM on Harvey Weinstein's and Brett Ratner's casting couches, as well as MM having provided play for pay with Harry's friend Tom Inskip.

[quote]Queen Mary has a neck like a giraffe. Perfect for choking.

Fixed.

For you Queen Mary fans... During WWII, when out in her car, she would sometimes pick soldiers on the road. Apparently, once, the soldier was an American. When she finally told him who she was, he didn't believe her.

I stand corrected, R454.

R436, so that was the designer in the purple flowered hat! I didn’t realize. Love the dress and the hat; I think the sparkly belt was a bit much.

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R458 - speaking of Spencer's first wife, Victoria Lockwood...I remember seeing her in this photo looking all windswept and doe-eyed in a magazine and then - pouf - she married an aristocrat. This shot stayed with me for years for some unknown reason.

Photos of the wedding of Charles Spencer and Victoria Lockwood. Harry is adorable as a page. Victoria admits that she was battling anorexia and bulimia at the time of her wedding, so her wedding gown was too loose. Her friend had made the wedding dress and veil. Victoria looks best with darker hair like this rather than the lighter shade she wears now.

This is one of my all-time favorite wedding rings. Charles Spencer bought it at an antique store on Bond St. for Victoria's engagement ring.

I never knew that Queen Victoria had a very similar ring made in France. I don't think it was used as her wedding ring.

There are tons of photos of Diana on this Diana fan Pinterest page.

Diana jumping into pool w/ slide (posted on the Diana fan Pinterest page)...

Top ten embarassing moments. How did they choose I wonder?

Another...

One more... Diana at Klondike BBQ in Edmonton

Victoria Lockwood had a very Renaissance look, didn’t she? Like a faerie. I wonder if that haunted look at hers was just her being a model.

“Hey, bud - let’s party!”

What would Inskip do for her career? Or was it introductions?

The photos of Markle and her bestie are oddly intimate.

Virginia Roberts was an underage girl, sent by Epstein to have sex with Prince Andrew. You see her in this video. She's a blonde. The Epstein FL case has been re-opened.

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More Harkle blinds. This might explain the rumours of the empty Frogmore and why no one ever sees MeMe outside of her paid pap walks and official events.

Blind Item #7

The alliterate former actress is supposedly renovating the place she is going to call her permanent home. The thing is though, she has, except for things that are going to be made public, been staying at a different residence. The residence is a rental that she gets for free, but, like many of her other scams involves her getting reimbursed for what the rental would cost if she was actually paying.

Here is a photo from Victoria Lockwood's second marriage. I think the little blonde boy bing held is her son by the new husband.

Another wedding photo...

Victoria's daughters look so much better without being all tarted up with heavy makeup and tight clothes.

Queen Elizabeth is a lovely looking woman. I never thought Diana attractive.

Queen Mary is beautiful but huge. I sailed on her :)

Victoria Lockwood's first wedding gown fascinated me. I think it looks more medieval tha n Victorian. The fur trim was brilliant. She wore the Spencer tiara like it was a crown , flat on the top of her head. The gown didn't set any style trends though which is interesting.

Holy cow, R456-William is the spitting image of Diana there.

Victoria Lockwood Vogue 1984 - Bruce Weber

Anyone have the text of the article about (what we all knew) Meghan merching herself for an Englishman? Cut and paste + link please? In case Prince Ginge tries to shut down the not-free press?

R463, I daresay the only Royal who can wear a dress better is Kate. And I'm stanning for Anne and Zara.

Selecting Inskip as one of the godparents would be inspired - there have been so many rumours about why Inskip was exiled (including being excluded as a guest at the wedding) after Harry got serious about Meghan, given what Inskip allegedly knows about Meghan re the yachting gossip. It will essentially imprison him in a loyalty box so he won't ever talk and soothe his hurt feelings at the same time, AND soothe the rumours that Harry's aristo crowd can't stand Meghan, and give the baby a High Society godparent so the Mulroney/Williams/Clooney lot is set off.

Inspired choice, they'd be fools not to do it.

R479 - I loved Victoria's Victorian/Edwardain engagement ring, a classeic double heart design with ruby and sapphire and diamonds (I forget whether it had a bow and/or a crown on top).

^*Edwardian . . . classic

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Nat Pinkham is a married mother now but I believe there was a period (during Harry's hard partying years) when they were definitely more than friends. They've been photographed looking non-platonic back in the day and she's been photographed coming/going from his place in the dead of night. If she truly has been ghosted it's because Meggy Sharp researched her target thoroughly and understood that Pinkham, an ex lover and close friend as well as a member of that particular tight-knit set in London that Harry was/is very much a member of, was a threat.

Persons stop speaking to ex after getting married counts as "ghosting?" Hmmm.

I do wonder what Harry's old(?) group truly makes of Markle

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As for Skippies and Tinhats, do we really think the theory that they're not currently living in FrogCott is up there with animatronic babies and faux baby bumps? I would be extremely surprised if any of the batshit baby-related theories ended up being true. I wouldn't be that surprised at all if it turned out they were still at the place in the Cotswolds (or elsewhere) at the moment. It doesn't mean FC isn't on the cards in the future, Harry is a known hater of and total paranoiac about the media, and if any family had access to multiple properties it's his.

R489 By all accounts Harry and Nat Pinkham have been close friends for years. She married in 2012 and there has been no suggestion that any fuckbuddy situation with Harry carried on past that. Their sexual relationship is almost a decade in the past, but their friendship is not. Perhaps Meghan is a subscriber to that particularly puritanical and American idea that spouses cannot continue friendships with their opposite-sex friends post-marriage? It's much more likely to be simple control freak base-covering/territorialism on her part.

R490 I imagine his set's reaction has mirrored the public, in some ways. MM is a polarizing love-her-or-hate-her type of person. You either find her incredibly charming and warm, or you see through the act. My guess would be most of his close friends probably see her for what she is, and are surprised that Harry fell so soon and so completely for an obvious grifter.

Speaking of his friends, which of his lifelong, known close friends was at the wedding? Guy Pelly, Inskip etc.? Have any of them spoken publicly about Meghan/the marriage/the baby? Guy Pelly would actually be a good one to hear from - he's tight with the whole family, including William (godfather to one of the Cambridge kids iirc), and I'd be very interested to hear any comments he has made on Harry's lovely wife.

People not talking to their exes after they marry or even after that start a serious relationship isn't such a uncommon thing. The fact that the ex is considered a "friend" notwithstanding. In fact, many new partners would feel threatened by that situation. I'm surprised it's considered "ghosting."

R494 I was using the word the DM used. Another word could be used, if necessary. I do have to say that I think in that set it would be... unusual to end a longterm friendship like that post-marriage, solely because it had been sexual a long time ago.

First of all, everybody has banged everybody in that crowd (and crowds like it). If they all, after marrying, ended friendships with people they'd slept with, none of them would have ANY opposite sex friends. Second, it's just not a common thing to do (end friendships with exes, if those friendships are longterm and real) in England, especially in certain social classes. If anyone in my own social group had done this post marriage - cut off an actual friend at the new spouse's request - I think the 'that's strange and not on' sentiment among the rest of us would have been unanimous.

How many footballers did Smeg bang? None of them were at the wedding, despite Harry's love of sport.

R493, that's a bit "misleading" isn't it? The whole "MM is a polarizing love-her-or-hate-her type of person"? Because really everyone in the UK hates her. It's only lower class Americans who love her, and they don't pay her bills. This is the same crowd that worships at the altar of Beyonce and the Kardashians. (The difference being that those women have at least made their own money.) They're uneducated and shallow and have no skin left that the world hasn't seen, but at least it is their own money.

the people who like her probably don't pay taxes in any country, otherwise they'd understand why she's so increasingly disliked as more people find out her spending habits

R498, those who buy "Us" and "People" and "Hello!" still love her.

They are the international Pillsbury dough people.

R484 is genius. But they won't do it.

I still appreciate your brilliance from afar.

I don't know about "Us" or "Hello", but her People covers are not great sellers. Even in that crowd her draw is limited.

There is a huge subset out there who thought she was more substantive that the person she proved herself to be.

MM's PR blitz has been quiet since the birth. Most of the articles about her are not complimentary. Have they finally contained her?

r490 There was a poster here many threads back who said that they had a friend who worked in security for some high profile brit that was part of Harry's set. The security guy was at the wedding - they all loathe her.

Beatrice in the film, Young Victoria, looking more like a young Victoria, than Emily Blunt herself

R500 - Blushing here.

In reference to the Victoria Lockwood posts like R459, she passed on her doe eyed good looks to Louis Windsor, the heir to the Earldom. But he seems to be getting more Spencerian as he gets older. Here he is in 2015.

Here Louis is in 2018, looking a lot like his grandfather (Diana's father) when he was young.

Poor Bea. You couldn't banish those Hanoverian bug-eyes with a crucifix and a flamethrower.

Louis Spencer a few months ago. He's getting the jowliness that also afflicted his father and grandfather.

He must marry soon, while he is still fuckable enough for us to enjoy the wedding photos.

There's another contingent that likes Meghan. Middle class white ladies who read and/or write for the Guardian. Generally members of this group will make a big show of "not caring" about the RF and not being interested and oh it's all so boring. The unspoken "I'm above this kind of tawdry royal gossip" types who nevertheless can get quite heated if someone expresses and strong negative opinion of Meghan.

I'm fairly sure most of these people see a POC with the "correct" opinions when they see MM and nothing beyond that. Their reflexive defense of her is political, not personal. Her skintone and views alone are enough to make her wonderful and worth defending. The Guardian has, hilariously, posted more pro-MM (and therefore pro-RF) pieces than any other print media outlets in the UK. Their female columnists in particular (Marina Hyde WHY WHYYYYYY) have gone to bat for her multiple times, often coming at it from the 'feminist' angle. I.e. "attacking MM is anti-feminist."

I must confess that I probably belong to this demographic of MM-defenders and I have to say it's been interesting seeing the confusion on a few people's faces when I've mentioned I find her awful etc. They can't compute that a center-left, anti-Trump, generally 'right' thinking person like me could possibly dislike MM.

R505 Sarah had a producing role (credited as "Sarah Ferguson") in the 2009 Jean-Marc Vallée film, The Young Victoria, starring Emily Blunt and featured a background player role for Sarah's daughter, Princess Beatrice.

It was Sarah who conceived the idea for a film based upon the early years of Queen Victoria. She had been interested in the queen since her marriage to Prince Andrew, and had written two books about her with the help of a historian.

Agreed re: Louis Spencer. That's the kind of hot that is intertwined deeply with youth. He needs to marry ASAP before he goes to seed completely.

Beatrice does look very much like Victoria in the posted photo - I had NO idea she's played a small background role in a film!

I actually liked the Young Victoria film. It gave you a feeling for the politics of the era and how unsettled the early years of her reign were. It was a little too nice to Albert: The film showed his intelligence and concern for the poor, which were both true traits of his. But it didn't show his snobbishness, misogyny, and general control freakiness. I suppose that wouldn't have been so romantic.

R511 - The rest of the demographic you describe is probably the same one parading its SJW creds on Celebitchy, and your analysis I think is spot on.

R513 - He also needs to marry soon in order to start trying for that male heir, as his father and grandfather did. Diana's mother was treated brutally by her father after three daughters. Finally, the fourth was Charles. Then Charles's first wife had three daughters (two were twins) before having Louis, the much desired heir to the earldom. This title only passes from father to son.

Louis has the huge burden of the Althorp estate on his shoulders: His father Charles has talked openly about the fact he'll have to leave most of his money to Louis and not his other six children, simply so there's enough dosh to keep the estate going.

But if Louis is smart, he'll marry an heiress to prop up the family coffers. Do the Coutts or the Grosvenors have any eligible girls in his age range? Those families are loaded.

Now that the DM and the Sun have exposed MM's stated intention to hook up with a British celebrity, with non-anonymous sources, will the floodgates open with lurid details?

That kind of tribalism really frustrates me R511, it's like everything you think, say and do must correspond to a narrow range of possible opinions and any divergence from this just doesn't compute, or has people accusing you of being at the complete opposite end of the political spectrum.

And when I say divergence, I mean you have to not just agree with all opinions that have been associated with a particular political and cultural position, but you must agree with the expression of that message at all times, and people and things that have been found to be 'good' by some un-named arbiter cannot be found to be not good, or questioned, at a later date (and vice versa).

It gets to the point where it's all about performance of a particular identity rather than actual critical engagement with the world. So odd.

Charles also managed to produce a male spare by this second wife, as well as another daughter, and then one more daughter by his third wife. Hope he's through marrying.

Unless you are really into farming and family history, it must be annoying to have to care for a historic estate like Althorp. You may or may not even like the house, but you have to keep tending to it like this giant, greedy beast that always needs more money poured into it.

In some ways, a younger son like Edmund Spencer has it easier. He won't get the big inheritance, but he'll get a great education and great connections, and if he has any wit or brains at all he can make his own good living, marry whom he pleases, and not be chained to Althorp.

Someone way back in the thread mentioned the Lascelles family, Harewood house is close to where I live and is beautiful. This Obit to the late Earl is quite interesting.

Link for Harewood House. I think the new American thought she might get this sort of home..

R523-I suspect that's precisely what she expected. Ironically, if she did her job as a supporting cast member of the BRF, she probably would have ended up with something a lot more posh that Frog Cot. In a way, that's why I find her interesting. On one hand, she was able to bat her eyes and mother Harry into a whirlwind wedding. That took cunning and nerves of steel. On the other, once she landed the prize, she couldn't figure out how to behave.

I do seem to remember a story about Earl Harewood - he hit another car with his (a minor accident, either hitting it in front or behind him in a parking space) and pleaded that he had been listening to a Mozart octet or something and was so focussed on the music that he lost his concentration. I believe he was let off with a minor fine on that basis. He had been at one time director of the Royal Opera House.

His first wife was the distinguished pianist Marion Stein, who was Jewish, and was at first received somewhat coldly by the BRF. In the event, her reserve and discretion as well as her musicianship reversed their view, and when Lascelles left her for another woman leading to a scandalous divorce, the family sympathies whent to Stein. Stein eventually married Jeremy Thorpe - yes, that Jeremy Thorpe of "A Very English Scandal". The woman he left her for was a violinist and the sister of renowned English horn player Barry Tuckwell.

The list of divorces amongst the Lascelles children and grandchildren makes the current Windsor generation look like amateurs.

[R525] Yes indeed,poor Marion. I never could see the attraction in Thorpe, then I was only young at the time. Still remember ther pillow biting though...poor bloody Norman was so abused.

Another interesting factoid about Earl Harewood that probably should be gently pointed out to Harry and Meghan : he was 6th in line at birth, and 46th in line by the time he died.

[r527] First grandson of yhe king too, and heir to a fuck off great mansion!!

r511 The reason the Guardian is writing reams and reams about poor Meghan Markle is she looks like them... by them I mean the white columists. They can emphathise with her because of it. Also she is biracial / mixed race and her complexion is just black enough for them to support. I remember seeing some nonsense article about how this was a huge leap for british race relations. Really Guardian? Really? A white man marrying a white looking woman is a huge leap for race relations? Ok. don't let your racism hit you on the way out.

I'm sure the Guardian columists would not like me at all, dark sinned with the wrong sort of views about their beloved MM.

R519, you are so right.

The Guardian has to walk a fine line with Meghan - it reflexively descries monarchy, but now that it's no longer 100% white, they have to give credit where due. The Graun ran one columan, I think by Afua Hirsch, also mixed race, who complained that delighted as she was to see a mixed race woman enter the BRF, with her very light skin and straightened hair, Meghan represented the "ideal" mixed race woman - i.e., one who didn't look too black - and it was impossible not to suspect that she'd gotten this far precisely because she didn't look too black. Hirsch pointed out that for mixed race women who unlike Meghan more resemble their African parent than their white one, the less-than message was still the same.

Ouch. It’s not just the Guardian. The liberal New Yorker mag current issue has a feature on Archie and the other royal babies. They never seemed enamored of the BRF before Meg. NYer supposedly has more fact-checkers on staff than any other paper, but they rhapsodized about “Meghan’s cookbook”. But we know she only wrote the forward, if indeed she did that.

why tf does meghan need to be some representative for all mixed women. Why is she not allowed to be an individual like every other royal member? Is kate a spokesperson for all middle class girls of coalminer stock? Fucking hell you lot can be tedious..

Fun note for any fraus who are members of the FB GIrls Love Travel group: a member there posted pics of Harry on his Rome-London flight today (economy class!) and another in the thread mentions that she works with Doria.

Is harry really unable to fly above economy class?

Archie Harrison what were his parents thinking? Archie is name the media reported PG using not to mention the first duchess of Sussex 's cousin and lover was called Lord Archibald Hamilton. A bit of an odd coincidence. Then Harrison is also the surname of Kate's maternal grandmother. Another odd coincidence.

R518, if the ghost of Dorothy Parker could be tempted from the grave then we could have quite a party.

"If you don't have something nice to say, then come sit next to me..."

Harry is more than able to fly above economy class, R535. He just, unlike his grasping wife and in spite of his own middling IQ, has successfully been made to understand that a certain amount of pandering to the poors must be undertaken.

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Archie Harrison could be a full name. They're giving him the option of dumping Mountbatten-Windsor entirely when he grows up, and only being the amalgamation of his parents--ANAGRAM OF RACHEL HARRY'S SON. There's something weirdly optimistic and wildly narcissistic about the whole exercise, as if they believe in 20 years that their names will be more valuable than any name the BRF could give him.

Probably meant to be a great stage name for their future A-list actor baby.

What does Kate eat?

r493 mentions the Pellys as well as Harry's other UK friends, of which he has had many. All of them are married themselves. What I find astounding, fully one year after their wedding, is Meghan's apparent total lack of UK friends. None known at least: no society types, none of Harry's friends wives, no acting or entertainment people either. It's all still her American/Canadian crew, full stop.

I guess it could still happen, that she make new friends in her new home country. Now that they have a permanent home in Windsor and all. You wonder though who they are hanging out with these days.

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Edo's baby

Does breastfeeding make your face less fat?

Bea sees Meghan's woke hand and raises with a bi-racial step child.

'There are persistent stories about MM on Harvey Weinstein's and Brett Ratner's casting couches, as well as MM having provided play for pay with Harry's friend Tom Inskip.'

The misogynist Welp Troll wrote this. Note signature use of a phrase she has invented which she thinks makes her sound sophisticated and worldly - 'play for pay'. There are no persistent stories except on gossip forums and the blinds that cater to CTs.

R546 Yes, it makes you less fat, including your face.

R548, is that why Inskip/Skippy doesn't trust her and warned Harry away?

................

Is that blind item really suggesting that Meghan shagged Trump? I don't believe it, but if this were a nighttime soap, what an excellent plot twist that would make.

R548 Serena Williams dated Brett Ratner at one point. If MM really screwed Ratner, she and Serena would not be close friends.

If MM had been with either Weinstein or Ratner, presumably she would have had a significant movie role.

Mnuchin, not Trump.

R554, maybe she wasn't any good.

R554 maybe she's a shit lay

Did Sparkles shag Steve Bannon?

R557, I will share my popcorn with you.

R465, seeing all that touchy feely stuff Meghan does with Harry .... yikes, she's like a teenager with her boyfriend. I guess she could just be sooo in love with him, but my nasty old self thinks she's playing it up for the public (and him): I'm besotted! I didn't marry him because he's a prince!

R548, I wrote what you quoted, and I am not the welp troll.

welp welp

welp

welpy welp

LOL at the Stan who thinks MM and Serena Williams are ‘close friends’.

R519 - You were responding to me earlier and I just wanted to say i TOTALLY agree with you ( agree with you so much I'm actually slightly creeped out - some of what you said is word for word stuff I have thought). "The performance of identity" - yes, yes, this. And no position on the political spectrum has the monopoly on this behaviour, either. But to be accused of racism and redneckism (by people who know me, not internet anons) for not liking MM was unsurprising and disappointing in equal measure. You see it in the DM comment section where pro-Trump and pro-Brexit comments will find themselves wildly upvoted on MM articles. It's like people have just accepted that if you like Trump and Brexit you don't like MM. And if you don't like Trump and Brexit then you like MM. And fuck that. She's awful. She's an awful, cringey, cloying, clinging, bad acting and thoroughly entertaining mess.

Also want to start a petition to label the "Oh, it's the X Troll!" person the "troll troll." I have been lumped in the with "Eugenie's Wedding Troll" a few times (hint, troll troll: there was always more than 1 of us) and now we have a "welp troll"!? Because someone used the world welp? Fuck off, Troll Troll! You're boring!

Celebitchy posters (this is in response to a comment way above) are different to the Guardianistas I described, imo. For one thing, CB posters seem to skew overwhelmingly American. There is a lot of talk of grandchildren. They do not strike me as the stylish, woke, right-on Londoners I'm talking about. Definite similarities, though. It does make me laugh that Kate is so hated at CB, the Feminist Paradise. Lol.

R563 - As far as I can tell, Serena Williams has successfully merched the ever loving hell out of her relationship with MM. That baby shower especially was a merching bonanza. And fuck it, good for her. At least Serena Williams is good at something. MM's using her for 'actual black person' cred, why not use her back for 'royal posh person hangs out with me so buy my clothes' cred?

Interesting discussion of MM's appeal to various groups .... It's definitely not limited to the types mentioned by R497. I've observed that there seems to be a kind of white-guilt love for some celebs of color. Beyonce is beautiful and charismatic, but she's been put on such a pedestal in recent years. I feel that there are many white ladies who claim to worship her who could only name one or two songs from her catalogue. Meghan appeals to this goop-adjacent crowd too: she's good-looking, white-relatable, "living her best life", woke.

[quote]Serena Williams dated Brett Ratner at one point. If MM really screwed Ratner, she and Serena would not be close friends.

What?! Do you not see the serious, mutually beneficial association here? What makes you think they aren't comparing notes and laughing? Both moved on to richer or more titled men.

R522 Thanks for that link to the obituary of the 7th Earl Of Harewood. Yes, he was a really interesting gentleman, who did a great deal of excellent and notable things with his life. I always thought that he physically resembled both his uncles, King George VI and King Edward VIII. He was a handsome , striking man, who looked more like a Windsor than so many others in the family! It's strange to think that the late Earl was once 6th or 7th in line to the throne. a fascinating family altogether and Harewood House is always worth a visit.

R564 honey, this troll likes your style.

r535 If you've ever flow to the European mainland from the UK you'll know that the "Business Class" is generally the same as "Economy" (exactly the same seat and leg room) but with a meal. Depending on route there can be as little as one row devoted to business class. For such a short flight there aren't really any perks except lounge access which someone like Hazard would be guaranteed regardless of ticket class.

To add to my post, unless the flight was entirely economy Hazard is sitting in what would be devoted to business class. It looks like the seats I've seen on the BA flights I've taken - but most of the european airlines use a similar plane and seating.

Speaking of trolls, I have only one my ignore list that went firmly into place before Lady Gabriella's wedding or thereabouts over a week ago. It is the consummate Kate-hater who keeps recycling identifiable words and phrases (rictus grin) and who's been harping on about Middleton being a "yacht girl" for the hoary middle aged types who cruise the Outer Hebrides on "yachts." Anyway, just did a quick count and it has celebrated over 40 posts on this thread! Give it a slow clap, ladies and gents.

R572 I blocked that person a few days ago, too, and since then the threads have been blissfully free of the predictable "you say Meg is X? NAY! KATE IS X!" stuff.

R570 - Is "Hazard" yours? Because it's great. Also love your "flow" typo. Actually wondered if there was a hip new mode of travel I wasn't cool enough to be part of yet. I'm a fearful flyer, maybe thinking of it as flowing will help?

R566 lol you sound completely bonkers

I had forgotton that Setena dated Ratner, for quite a long time. Her taste in clothes is horrible too, just awful style. Off the tennis court she might be even a little more odious than Markle.

Why is Serena Williams sucking up to MM ? She has a very rich husband and has money herself so no need of doing that . Or is it MM sucking up to Serena ?

[quote] She is very rich and her husband has a little money too.

Fixed that for you R576. Serena Williams is worth about 10 times as much as Alexis Ohanian.

R576, I think they’ve been thrown together by Sunshine Sachs.

Please post in this thread after this one is full at around 600. Thanks.

'really everyone in the UK hates her'

Nope. Middle class Guardian readers love her and so do black and mixed heritage fraus in London, Birmingham, Bradford and other multi-culti cities.

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I like this portrait of the Queen.

The award for extreme bad taste goes to...JustJared states that Diana's car accident will be a ride in an amusement park. I hope it doesn't happen.

Not necessarily, R554, although that would be the hoped for outcome. Trevor got her Suits. Who got her Deal or No Deal? That was when she had the huge implants and was really pushing hard.

Another photo of Harry on a plane.

Baby George got around.

Diana had HUGE CHEEKS when she was a child. It runs in the family.

Tousled Harry was a mess at times when he was young.

The young Queen returns home after her father's death.

The Queen Mum with Princess Margaret's children, Sarah and David Armstrong Jones

None of the daughters (only two are shown here) of Queen Alexandra inherited her beauty.

They were called "The Three Ugly Ducklings" for a reason.

I guess George (the future King - back row second from right) was the least homely looking child of Alexandra.

If anyone is interested, here is a good book on Queen Victoria's daughter, Princess Louise.

I'm sure that one crazy is also the person who is getting these threads grayed out, r572. Even after all of these threads they don't realize that there efforts are for naught.

Just keep W & W the original poster when you see him/her grayed out.

As odious as Trump and his troglodyte children are, I am looking forward to the state dinner for the tiaras. I really hope they let Kate mix it up and wear something new. Now that she has a new honor, perhaps that puts her in line for a wider selection? It would make my day if she wore the Vladmir.

*with emeralds, of course!

Queen Mary through the years.