British Royal Family Gossip: Part 50

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OK, I don't know what's in the water, and I don't believe the public reports of their diets and regimen. They have to be getting shots or something. Prince Phil, and Betty hosted a luncheon today at Windsor for some incredibly accomplished old geezers, about 18 people in all, and they posed for a group photo together and there was a video of them in the reception hall receiving their guests.

Philip was lucid, animated, warm friendly and conversational. ER II 's hair was a bit frizzy, and there were brief fleeting moments of vagueness in ehr demeanor, seemed like auto-pilot a time or two, but mostly she was warm, conversational and cordial. Chattering away. Oh. And these old timers know how to fucking curtsy, baby. It was all very re assuring.

For Royal ex housewives, how about Cressida or Chelsy for some good Harry gossip and an old one like Koo Stark who can give us some randy Andy tales and can bitch slap Fergie.

"Continuity" is most important, thus said the Queen. Apparently, this is very much a priority for her.

Shame the queen can't seem to handle a little american divorcee

I've heard Lady Colin Campbell is not a fan of MM. Not at all.

LCC has reported that she was raised by a narcissist, btw.

From the previous thread...

[quote] H&M’s “privacy” schtick goes down very well in the US, I’m sure, but it doesn’t go down as well with most Brits. If they want the house renovated at our expense, the overseas trips, the security, the deference, then the deal is that we the public get to see a bit of their lives. And pissing off the UK media will backfire on them spectacularly at some point.

This is it in a nutshell.

Seems to me that “doing it their own way” simply equals cutting everyone out when it doesn’t suit. Very dangerous game when you’re doing it to the hand that feeds you.

I posted this on Part 49...The good looking Maori ex-husband of Lady Davina Windsor would add a little spice to the mix of the Royal Housewives fantasy franchise.

Are the family members still fleeing for the hills when the wee bairn is unveiled to the public? I've done a Sussex blackout these last couple of days and it was enough just in the periphery to recognize it continues as an ongoing shit show that keeps on giving.

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Privacy requests don't work when the public pays for you. It's as simple as that.

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R11 - exactly. Alas, "No Balls Harry" is under the spell of Duchess Yoko and she really doesn't give a damn.

Charles has made a statement regarding the Sussex baby.

R6, this is why we need Lady C in the mix. The veiled bitch slaps between those two would be priceless. Who do you think would be the first to fling a glass of wine in someone's face? My money's on Lady C. Fergie would be running around trying to get everyone to play nice. And then she'd drink too much and start bitching behind people's backs.

R6 You do understand Lady Colin Campbell was born George William Ziadie in Jamaica to an Greek father; she is now Georgia (born intersex) who was married to Lord Campbell for all of 15 months and that is her only exposure to British nobility/aristocracy.

15 months marriage to a minor lord does not make one an expert on anything to do with British nobility/aristocracy.

R16-who cares? We want her for entertainment purposes and the bitchy drama.

Boom boom went Lord Mountbatten one day!

R16, I am v. aware of LCC. Disagree with your assessment.

I'm cracking open a book of hers right now, as a matter of fact.

Live by the sword - die by the sword!

Boom!

R16 One doesn't have to be an aristocrat to be an expert on the aristocracy. Bagehot was an expert on the monarchy and the English constitution and he wasn't part of the nobility.

Lady Colin Campbell has written extensively about the British aristocracy. And like R17 said, she's the kind of figure that could make for some dramatic television.

R16 Good grief...who cares? She wrote a book about Diana full of stuff that no one believed...which all turned out to be true.

It’s who you know - and she knows people.

My first exposure to LCC was a BBC doc, something like You Can't Get The Help, about service in the BRF. She would be just perfect for the Housewives -- she KNOWS.

Sorry, not the BRF but aristo types.

I can’t make out what Will is saying when he points at Kate and she acts surprised in that video where they talk to the press, could somebody please help? Thank you!

More inside info please!

R25 Is that at the start?

Asked about being an uncle William says: Yes. Second time for me. And you, obviously. Well, not me, you obviously...erm...”

I suppose he’s already an uncle to Pippa’s kid & Kate is an aunt. But Kate is a blood aunt, while this is the first time William is a blood uncle. Think it all got a bit garbled.

Interesting that his first response puts Harry’s kid in the same place as Pippa’s.

R27-that shows that Alpha Dick King is really pretty close to Kate's family.

Found this picture of Kate on Instagram. Pretty glam!

Has anyone on here ever met a member of the royal family? Impressions?

I once saw the Queen go by in a car, that’s all I got.

Kate does a good updo. Everyone is always saying she needs to cut off several inches like Letizia of Spain, but I wonder if she keeps it long just for the updos - better to showcase tiaras, after all.

I've met the queen. It was many years ago. She was well-dressed and noticeable because of the formality of the occasion but beyond that she was just a fairly ordinary looking short old woman IMO.

R30, I once met Sarah Ferguson at a TV show taping (she was plugging Weight Watchers), sometime around 2001. Very nice and very attractive in person!

R32 Did you shake her hand or exchange words? What did she say?

R33 I went to “an evening with“ lecture by Sarah about 10 years ago. I found her self-deprecating and quite enjoyable, as advertised.

And I thought her hat was silly.

I've heard several times that Fergie was a real peach and genuinely pleasant to meet. Probably the most down-to-earth, approachable Royal - and yet she's still semi-ostracized. I was always pulling for that crazy kid. I wonder if Markle will be stupid enough to get caught sucking anyone's toes. Given the laser-like intensity she has to sense a telephoto lens, I can't see her being caught topless like Kate. She's like a prairie dog poking up from a hole every time a camera lens opens.

Haven't you seen the topless video that Meghan took of herself at a beach, R37?

Might as well sunbath topless now.

Will the baby be Lord Dumbarton or the Earl of Dumbarton?

[quote] What will he know about his American family? He’ll know he’s royal when photographers incessantly snap his picture at events. But I’m guessing that one of his first questions to his parents will be: Am I black? The answer: Yes, you are.

There are times when I understand American obsession with race and there are times when it leaves me gobsmacked. Good Lord.

If Carla Hall thinks this will be one of the first questions a child asks his/her/their parents I suspect she has never spoken to a child.

Encounter No# 1. - Location: Commonwealth country - Queen Mum drove by on her way to where she was staying during her tour and my parents, siblings and I were the only people waving at her on the street. She smiled and waved like a trouper

Next, I was a teenager when I next saw the the Queen Mother up close and personal on a foreign tour to the same Commonwealth country. It was at an airport and thankfully something told me to move myself and follow some other people who were being herded to another location by security. Where I had been originally standing would've been too far away to see anything. I managed to get right in front of her as she stopped to collect some flowers from someone beside me. She was tiny in stature but big in body, smiling with her bad teeth, waving and saying "isn't is lovely", colorful dress so everyone could see her and big gauzy hat. She looked like Barbara Cartland's sister. LOL. But she had her Queen Mum uniform and that was her style. I remember her lovely peaches and cream skin. Strange what you remember.

3rd time encountering royalty was the time when Charles and Diana came to my hometown with William and Harry on the royal yacht Britannia. They were on their way to church and traffic was stopped for the royal motorcade to go by. I jumped out of the passenger seat and ran up to the intersection just as the royal car went by. I remember Diana smiling and laughing with her big hat on and it looked like Harry was sitting on her lap in the back. When they were at church, we parked the car and went to view the royal yacht until they came back. We saw all of them go up onto the yacht and then they started waving to the crowds below.

That's all I've got.

R19 - LCC is a strange but very shrewd bird, and her account of Diana rings very true. I enjoyed the first book.

The Sussex baby shares a birthday not only with George Clooney but with the last Czar of Russia. Could the name Nicholas be in contention? There is a Lord Nicholas Windsor, son of the Duke of Kent.

James "The Sailor" Middleton and his gf.

Former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien with the Queen discussing the new addition to the family.

R38-that’s right - the famous cigar butt nipples! I meant now that she’s with Prince Dim. I can’t see her getting caught doing any hanky pinky out in the open.

R45 she looks like Gwyneth in Talented Mr Ripley

Cigar butts? I think they look like pencil erasers.

James Middleton gives me the creeps. I can’t articulate why. It’s not the Nazi marshmallows. There’s just something about him.

Went to a speech given by Princess Anne and covered an event attended by Queen Mum. Latter was very tiny.

Do know someone who has met Prince Harry a couple of times, although it was a while ago. He was an immature, rude brat. (About 8 years ago).

I think they should call him Elton after the greatest musical talent to have ever existed.

Call 'im Moonbeam!

Is Prince Edward gay?

I have seen that disastrous theatre production....but do we really know if he is gay?

Secondary sources, but I’ve heard people say William was quite nice. Reserved and distant, but pleasant. Harry, on the other hand, was nothing like his public persona and a real entitled asshole.

More and more people are publicly talking about the surrogate thing, even her own fans. This poor kid is never going to be able to live it down.

I know that Sophie has become quite a soft butch lesbian but is Ed gay?

That is just bizarre, R41. Why on Earth would that be one of the first questions the kid asks his parents?

Wait, Prince Edward used a surrogate?

Did Edward and Sophie get a discount as one child is strange and the other had a squint....

OMG R60

When did the rumours about Edward's sexuality start?

I think Edward studied ballet when he was a teen, is that right?

And then he produced that disastrous theatre production about the royal family.

R61 disturbed frau

Yes, that is how we discuss damaged offspring in DL.

And those two are quite damaged.

R55 - I wouldn't be surprised.

I seem to remember some RF reporter who said that the actual personalities of the brothers were the reverse of their public persona.

That Harry could turn on the "Likeable Lad" image for the camera, but nothing was further from the truth when the cameras went off. Remember him banging those 2 boys heads together?

He is a strange one.

Didn't they say the Prince of Wales was Jack the Ripper back in the day?

I've also been told that William is very nice, R55, if a little guarded. I'd love more insight into both prince's personalities. The descriptions always seem biased depending on The Who the writer favors. It's hard to get a handle on what they're really like behind closed doors.

I remember someone who went to St. Andrews recounting a time he was walking home and got caught in the pouring rain. A car pulled up to offer him a ride. Prince William was driving and had two friends in the car with him. William offered him a ride, chatted pleasantly and that was that. The guy never encountered him again but was touched by the kindness to offer a stranger a ride.

LOL, don't know how The Who made it into my post at R67. Should be "depending on who"

I have been told that William is difficult and passive aggressive, just as his mother was.

The kid will be referred to as Earl of Dumbarton, not Lord Dumbarton.

It's Hapless Harry's second title conferred to him when he got married to the MEGa grifter.

Prior to his son's birth, Viscount of Severn used to be Prince Edward's second title (with the primary one being Earl of Wessex).

Anyone know anyone who plowed bonnie ballet-loving Prince Edward?

R70 - now come clean. It was Harry who told you about Will, wasn't it?

We know Prince Andrew likes teens, but has it been confirmed that Prince Edward is a bottom?

R71 - Earl and Lord are often used for the same person. Earl Snowdon was also known as Lord Snowdon.

R70 and I've been told William is very cautious and guarded, but once he opens up (once he trusts you, that is), he can be very genial and cordial.

I can totally see soft butch sous-chef Sophie with a strap-on plowing Prince Edward, of course minus the sous-chef murderous rampage.

I think she'll get pregnant again very soon, and I'm sorry to say this, but it'll be more PR overload -- for the next one may be the girl; the next one may be named Diana.

Then, it'll be the stupid, unnecessary comparisons made between Will's and Harry's kids, to add to the rest of the mess. Apples and oranges, and I wish it wouldn't be so, but there it is. It'll sell papers, due to the interest generated by emotion (not a good thing, actually).

MM will likely give us 10 more years of headlines, should the world spin on that long. The first 5 years (from age 37-42), MM being MM (Lol); the last 5 years (from age 42-47), the separation, negotiation, divorce, "tell-all", ect.

In this timeframe, the Queen will die, soon after Phillip dies. MM will be leaking throughout. Will and Kate will discover, more and more, the value of the roles. More than ever before. This is because it's under threat, thanks the Harry and Meghan. When it comes to Charles and Camilla, Camilla will be the one with the backbone - a pleasant surprise, and not the first time such a thing has happened in this family.

Harry will get more and more unattractive over this time. I have a feeling MM will age oddly, mostly due of upcoming plastic surgeries and procedures.

If the BRF are not careful, they could end up diminished greatly by the end of this. I truly believe MM doesn't appreciate boundaries, fairness, or empathy (going by her well documented history). They shouldn't underestimate her. There's a real weasel in their midst.

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R75, not in this case. The title is "Earl OF Dumbarton", just like "Duke OF Sussex" and the like.

Sorry frauen but we need to know: is Edward a royal bottom?

That headshot of Piers always looks like he's taking a deep sniff of his own fart.

Apparently there is a long history of gay royalty in Britain.

R71 Harry is Earl of Dumbarton, so he son cannot simultaneously hold the title.

He’ll be a “Lord”.

R79 You might think him a prat, but a hell of a lot of people agree with him where Markle & Harry are concerned.

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I actually don’t think Edward is gay.

But I do think Andrew is.

Was Lord Snowden gay?

R86 why do you think Andrew is Gay?

He is buddies with the straight young female teen-loving Jeff Epstein, and no photos surfaced of him with young guys.

Who else is gay in this most dysfunctional of wealthy families??

Andrew's probably bi. I remember the grainy shots of an escort (or someone who sure as hell looked like an escort) leaving his residence several years back. A very tarted up tart.

Photos of Charles and Camilla in Berlin.

R84 feel free to educate yourself on that particular matter.

As mentioned above, James, Prince Edward's son is Viscount Severn, having his father's former secondary title. The Sussex kid will be referred to as Earl of Dumbarton which is Harry's secondary title.

Meghan has inadvertently served an important purpose. William is finally waking up to what's at stake and is stepping up to protect his future.

Lord Snowdon was notoriously bi-sexual. He was probably a sex addict.

Prince Andrew is straight and likes young women.

Prince Edward is question mark. He's only gay on DL.

R90 That makes sense. Prince Andrew seems like a sensualist who would enjoy fucking both men and women.

R88 - Well, my evidence is not good but...

A famous newspaper man (maybe Murdoch?) was once asked at a dinner party what the biggest royal secret they knew was, and he apparently said that Andrew was gay and Fergie walked in on him with a man.

Also....he beeps for me, and always has. The young 17 year old girl might have been bravado. His mate gives him a girl & he doesn’t want to say no.

All gossip, no facts.

Edward, Sophie and Louise at Balmoral with the Queen and Prince Philip.

Stay the fuck away from the Queen, Grim Reaper!

R94 Alas, here on DL we do not accept that bisexual men exist. Therefore, we can assume Lord Snowdon was GAY!

William and Kate speak about their new nephew. But blimey - I can't understand a word she is saying!

R86 I hope the angels herald this gossip from Dreamboat Andy's dick hole lips to my rear!

Also, praise the heavens! It looks like the bulk of the frauen loons have sojourned back to tumblr since the birth of the sprog.

Charles with William and Harry when they were young.

R92 Read your own link.

The son of an Earl is traditionally known as Viscount, which is why James has that title.

The son of a duke can be Earl, Marquess or Lord. So your claim that he will be Earl of Dumbarton is based on ignorance.

The Earl of Wessex is no longer Viscount Severn now his son has the name.

Markle’s baby probably won’t be Earl of Dumbarton.

Is it presumptuous to assume that that the DoE is a complete pussy-hound?

Any stories about LIzbet fooling around with a comely Lady in Waiting?

The word on Snowden was, "If it moves, he'll have it." He fucked anyone and everything even into old age. Cheated on every significant other he ever had. Which would have been tolerable, if he'd been a pleasant person who treated his lovers well.

He wasn't.

From where are all of the sex pervs coming?

R103 while the son of a Duke could be Earl, Marquess or Lord, his eldest son will hold the first subsidiary title, which in Harry’s son’s case is Earl of Dumbarton. Often abbreviated to Lord Dumbarton, as are all peerages.

Also it has nothing to do with “Earl of” or “Earl” - it’s the same: Earl of Snowdon / Lord Snowdon. Earl Spencer / Lord Spencer.

So much misinformation on these pages

R106 You new here honey?

There’s no WILL about it, R107.

The parents will decide how the baby is styled, not you.

He is most likely to be Lord Mountbatten-Windsor.

Why are you so hostile, R109?

I reckon they’ll go French in honour of Markle’s fluency in the language.

The Marquess of Mielle de Tiquet.

The Royals do like to feel important and make their own rules about their titles.

What else do they have to do?

"Earl of" refers to a place name, just "Earl" refers to a surname. Earl of Dumbarton vs. Earl Spencer. Apparently, Earl without the 'of' is more prestigious. I remember reading that somewhere, but I'm not sure why that is. Anyone know?

Not hostile, just tired of people storming on claiming misinformation when they don’t know what they’re talking about themselves.

The first son is ALLOWED to use Dad’s subsidiary title, that does not mean he automatically will (or his parents on his behalf).

If he were automatically the Earl of Dumbarton, the press would already be calling him that. Just like George & Charlotte were automatically Prince & Princess before we knew their first names.

Of course Baby Sussex will be styled Earl of Dumbarton. Meghan didn't marry Dimwit so her first-born son could be called Mr. Windsor.

The only way the baby won't be Earl of Dumbarton is if Meghan is butthurt that her son isn't Prince Whatever, and so she's saying 'fuck it' to the whole business and working the sprog-of-the-people angle. Of course, notice in this scenario that SHE isn't giving up HER title.

Ah, I see, R115. Thank you for the info.

Markle really will be a hypocrite if she allows him to be Earl of Dumbarton knowing that if he’d been a girl she couldn’t be Countess.

Positioning yourself as an icon of modern feminism is a bit pointless if you’re going to uphold the most antiquated rules of the most patriarchal institution ever conceived.

R106 Oh dear, Miss Frau from Royal Dish...this is a gay board and we like to talk about sex.

Please go away if you don't want to hear about hard cocks being sucked and fucked ... by men.

Meghan and Harry and more than vulgar, they’re unethical. For “Mental Health” week they recommneded a number of resources on Instagram, all FOR-PROFIT companies, some run by their cronies. Example: “The Class”, a ridiculously priced yoga session run by Meg’s friend Taryn Tomey. Then there is something run by Oprah. One service they recommended, Talkspace, I tried free for a week. It is completely useless. For $35, you get to E-MAIL a therapist. That’s all. This just sickens me. Imagine people with serious mental issues looking for guidance and reading this. Finally: They were promoting home births in the US to make Meg’s decisions appear more normal. This in WaPo. There was a furious backlash. Last but not least, endless race-baiting. NYT going on and on about the interracial couple. Just go away!!

R119, very true.

Speaking of her 'feminism' hypocrisy crap, let's not forget her cringeworthy "embryonic kicking of feminism" remark.

R121 What are you going on about?

Hopefully people with "serious mental issues" are being seen by (the few remaining) psychiatrists at NHS. There is an approximately 6 month wait to see a therapist. If you are a complete nutter they bump you up to the top of the waiting list.

Wow, R121. I didn't know Harry and Meghan went that far. I am astonished at how, again and again, they don't seem to be able to see their own hypocrisy.

Are they not listening to any good counsel, at all? Did they alienate anyone that could advise them well? Or is it... give 'em enough rope? What Meghan wants, Meghan gets?

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The ass-licking New York Times has an editorial today celebrating the birth of Baby Sussex, “son of Her RH Meg and His RH Harry, son of HRH Charles”. Some of the lefties didnt much like this. I see nothing progressive about an American woman marrying a hereditary twit.

Good lord these old photos show that the farther the Windsor genes are, the children get less ugly. All of QE2's grandchildren are either okay-looking or ugly. Sure some of them may have been cute as children (no Harry not you, you were quite ugly) but the Windsor ugly genes took hold pretty quickly in their 20-30s. Personally I never got why Harry was considered hot by some, his face was always so off-putting with Windsor close-set eyes. Even now I think William is the better looking one out of the two brothers.

QE2's grandchildren are another story, I think the children of Zara and Peter Phillips are adorable and so are William's kids. Savannah Phillips has an interesting look, very light coloring with Asiatic eyes that when older, might turn her into an unconventional beauty.

See, if either of them really meant a single word they say, they’d refuse all titles for their child.

He could just be Kermit Sussex - or Kemit Mountbatten-Windsor. No need to saddle him with a title at all. Let him choose his own path.

Worked well for Zara & Peter.

^^^meant to say QE2's great-grandchildren

R120 - oh do piss off. There's a nice chap.

R121 I reread your post and you are a complete nutter. Come join us in the UK - the grauniad is free, unlike your WaPo. And no doubt, you will quickly get to the top of the waiting list for a therapist and someone to medicate you.

R103,

>>Thus, as is customary for the eldest son of an earl, court communications refer to him as Viscount Severn, which is one of his father's subsidiary titles. <<

So Viscount Severn is one of his father's secondary titles after all, it seems.

R130 Is your cunt unshaved and wild? Please do tell....

R128, agreed. But we all know MEGa didn't give birth to a meal ticket for nothing, so ...

I don't give a fuck what you call the son of an Earl. Tell me where I can find a really good book that has a lot of gossip about Antony Armstrong Jones, Lord Snowden. He sound like a libertine. Andy does too. Any books covering Andy's misdeeds are welcome too.

Duke of Earl for the worried fraun upset by discussion of sexuality and cocks.

Lord Dumbarton, that's what I call him. It suits him so well, at this time when he exists as a figment. Earl of Dumbarton is far too wordy (syllabic) to feel fresh and fun like Harry's little knucklehead will surely be.

R121 can you provide the link to the WaPo article?

MM needs herself a bebe with a designer label. After all, if there's no label, it's not tremendously overpriced, doesn't fit, and can't be merched, how good could it be?

R138 Funny lad you are. You think that nutter R121 is paying $15/month to read WaPo?

[R121] I wrote the post about mental health. You can trust me, it is that list of recommendations of “resources” that led the other royals to unfollow Meg and Harry, not the other way around. The royals could get sued. And Meg and Harry’s prime audience are AMERICANS. Thanks, but I don’t need meds. I am a normal person living in Manhattan, i have a doctorate and can translate four languages. I am doing just fine. And thrilled to be American, considering that Meg just hired someone to give her mum grandparenting lessons for $7,000 per session. At your expense

And R139, the Merching troll, is back with talk of MERCHING

Merch, Merchi, Merchin, Merching!!

R141 I hope you are in a NAMI support group, there is a good one in the West Village...

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People tend to go out, as they come in.

When was the first time anyone heard of Meghan dating Harry? What were the machinations? The circumstances?

Well, that's how she's going to go out, too.

R141 get thee self to a nunnery - oops a NAMI support group. Here are some in your area.

There seems to be a tradition that the son of a male Royal can be styled with his father's secondary title but won't actually inherit the title until his father's death. But it's not compulsory. I expect we'll find out tomorrow what the couple plan to do.

Will looks uncomfortable in that photo - at r144 - not relaxed and happy in any way.

Wow, I knew R142, R143, ect. were the same person... I actually blocked this person before, are they finding a way around it?

Back in the day, it was Andrew who was adored by the public for his winsome ways and military service, but in private was known as exactly the sort of entitled brat that Harry is described upthread as being today. There was an illustrative story about Andrew whilst still in the Navy going into a bar and running into a superior officer, and graciously telling him, "You can call me Andrew [as opposed to something more formal befitting his royal status]." The officer tersely replied, "Thanks. And you can call me 'Sir'".

Interesting that Charles's younger brother and William's younger brother should exhibit the same traits.

R109 Being triggered is fine - we all have our triggers. But you are, once again, incorrect. There is no such title as “Lord Mountbatten-Windsor”.

The child’s title will be Earl of Dumbarton. Any change would require the approval of the Fount of Honour in the UK, who is also the Earl of Dumbarton’s great grandmother. The Queen. She would have no truck with “Lord Mountbatten-Windsor”.

Standing by for your triggered, deluded, unhinged and inevitably incorrect rejoinder, R109. Don’t let me down!

Margaret had the entitled brat act down, too. You'd think with all their resources that the Windsors could afford to give the Spare the same lessons in manners that the Heir obviously gets.

Here is a great name for the new Prince:

Prince David!

It is one of Harry's middle names!

There’s a difference between having a title and being styled with it.

Viscount Severn is only styled that way. He doesn’t actually hold the title, Edward does.

If Kermit is styled Earl of Dumbarton he isn’t actually the Earl of Dumbarton, that’s still Harry.

The eldest son has the right to be styled with a subsidiary title but it’s not automatic.

Please pass on to the deluded frau who speaks four languages and has a doctorate at R149 that she can get really good mental health support from NAMI. No joke. Find a local chapter. Get the help you need.

R135 - LOL. Oh, Snowdon cut quite a swath through society of both genders when he first began to attract attention, and once he captured Margaret there was no stopping him. As one of the people interviewed for the recent PBS series on Princess Margaret candidly stated about his peccadilloes and his reputation for being hell in the sack, "He was well-equipped to merit his reputation." [words to that effect - but "well-equipped was definitely used].

Anne de Courcy, I think, wrote a biography of Snowdon, but haven't read it.

R156 Would you say that Snowdon was one of those rare creatures who loved men and women equally? A true bisexual?

I like the name David.

Someone on here suggested Aidan, a hip name that sounds Anglo and is an anagram of Diana.

Does seem like Spencer, Philip and Charles are good bets for the cavalcade of names these royals all have.

R154 is correct. Diana's brother is Earl Spencer, he IS the holder of the title. Earl of Dumbarton is a courtesy title Harry's kid can use but can't claim as solely his.

You're right. It is in essence CUSTOMARY that Harry's son will be styled his subsidiary title Earl of Dumbarton--or Lord Dumbarton (seriously).

Aiden is Irish - bad idea for the son of a family whose actions caused millions of Irish to starve to death.

David is probably too Jewish for the current BRF.

I hope the baby's name is either David, Arthur, or Albert.

Keep it traditional!

For-profit "mental health" resources such as ones recommended by the Sussexes are very unhelpful, even dangerous. Dangerous in that people who need help and try to seek help may become disillusioned with those types of services, in turn driving them away from actual mental health providers and resources affiliated with mental health professional organizations. Idiots like Harry and Meghan cannot distinguish between feel-good/ well-being lifestyle interventions and serious mental health interventions.

If they want to promote and merch wellness/ lifestyle programs that are for-profit, fine. But it's despicable to merch under the guise of mental health awareness and clinical interventions. NAMI is a good resource, yes, it's great for those in close proximity to large metropolitan areas. However, I can tell you even that, in many cases there is a backlog of wait time for therapists; may be easier to get meds but therapy not so much. You have to patient and wait.

David is also the Patron Saint of Wales. FWIW!

R156, I've read de Courcy's Snowdon bio. You can tell she's half in love with her subject, and he still comes off as an utter shit.

Spencer = no good.

R151 You’re an idiot.

The eldest child (son) CAN be styled with the father’s highest subsidiary title. It’s not automatic.

If boy child had been a girl she could ONLY be Lady Mountbatten-Windsor.

All of Harry & Markle’s subsequent children WILL (and can only) be Lord/Lady Mountbatten-Windsor.

This is because the sons and daughters of Dukes can be styled Lords & Ladies with the family’s surname. So, yes, new son could be if that’s what they choose.

In spite of your blustering, childish insults, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

R157 - Regretfully, I am unable to give a first-hand answer to your question. That was his reputation, and who am I to tell someone else who he really is or isn't? From a distance, I would say he hardly seemed a hardcore gay man putting it on, he did seem to enjoy relationships with women, and he didn't have to remarry after his long marriage to Margaret, but he did, and had another child with Lucy Lindsay-Hogg. But it can be difficult to tell whether a man like Snowdon enjoyed women's admiration of his sexual prowess, or really enjoyed women themselves that much. It's a fine but telling difference.

My best guess is, I think the real love of Snowdon's life was Snowdon, and as a sensualist, he was pleased with whatever fed that.

It won’t be David... wasn’t that the Duke of Windsor’s name?

More stories on what william and harry are really like please. And kate.

Snowdon fathered his last child at the age of 67 while wheelchair bound, married to one woman (who he knocked up while married to Princess Margaret) and having an affair with another.

Now that’s a libido!

Interestingly the Queen and the rest of the royal family remained friends with him through the divorce from Margaret and right to the end.

[quote] There’s no such title as Lord Mountbatten-Windsor

Er...there’s a Lady Mountbatten-Windsor. Louise, Edward’s daughter.

Mountbatten-Windsor is the family surname. It just needs to be coupled with the Lord/Lady bit if you’re the child of a Duke/Earl etc.

Smoke and mirrors.

I’ve told this before but an immediate family member worked with Prince Harry on his clothes for Will’s wedding.

He was a petulant, sarcastic arsehole who complained about EVERYTHING.

R169 - His real first name was Edward, but they called him David in the family. And in fact, St. David is the patron saint of Wales, and it's a not uncommon Scottish name. The young hero of Stevenson's "Treasure Island" is Davey Hawkins.

Actually, R167 I do know what I’m talking about (in this subject at least). Which is how I know that you don’t.

Let’s chat again once the child’s style and title are confirmed, ok precious?

[quote] There’s a difference between having a title and being styled with it.

[quote] Viscount Severn is only styled that way. He doesn’t actually hold the title, Edward does.

Random side note in the title fight (pun intended) Edward's son is His Royal Highness Prince James of Wessex but is styled as the son of an earl

R171 - I believe the family were quite fond of Snowdon on his own, and, in fact, Prince Edward's second name is Antony.

Nooooooooo!!!!

R125 Meghan is not remotely thinking of her American family right now. What do we suppose she is doing right now? I say giddily accepting congratulatory texts, phone calls and emails from celebrities, while devouring the internet for stories about herself. Catching up on her beauty sleep. Planning her outfit for the photo call. Drafting her next Instagram post. Oh, and the new baby.

Snowdon, like his mother, was a steely social climber. Even when things were terrible with Margaret, he was careful to keep on good terms with HM and the Queen Mother. In fact, they blamed Margaret for many of the problems in her marriage because they knew she could be difficult, but as far as they knew, Snowdon was a sweetie. He was, to THEM. He was also fucking half of London and leaving Margaret hate notes on her dressing table.

[quote]My best guess is, I think the real love of Snowdon's life was Snowdon, and as a sensualist, he was pleased with whatever fed that.

Nicely put. The term toxic narcissist was invented for someone like Snowdon.

Er, no R172, there’s no “Lady Mountbatten-Windsor”. There’s a “Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor”.

“Lady Mountbatten-Windsor” would either be married to Lord Mountbatten-Windsor, who doesn’t exist, and Louise is a little too young for marriage, or a peeress in her own right, which Louise isn’t.

R167 No, let’s not. I don’t chat to liars.

And anyone blustering.....”There’s no such title as Lord Mountbatten-Windsor’ does NOT know what they’re talking about.

Because that’s a STYLE not a TITLE, you cretin.

R173 - It's a testament to how much the tabloids dislike the Sussexes that a day after the birth of Prince Harry's first child, they're already throwing shade at the couple.

The Sussexes did create the most incredible fuss and mystery around this birth, which naturally haloed it (as it was intended to do) with extra importance. It is simply breathtaking how Harry and Meghan managed to make the birth of the seventh in line and someone who within twenty years will be totally irrelevant seem like such an Event. The birth of Prince George looks positively casual by comparison.

I doubt the silliness of it all escaped the Queen, the Cambridges, and Camilla. I'm not so sure about Charles.

R179 Sussex edition

More royal tv show ideas

Typical frau, Megalomaniac wants that girl she didn't get this time.

The only way Meghan and Harry will have a large family is if they do IVF triplets OR engage a series of surrogates. No way will she risk her figure with pregnancy after pregnancy, particularly when they bring diminishing returns. But I doubt she'll go for more than two: What she may not yet understand yet is that no other baby of hers will receive this much attention.

It’s Lady Louse Windsor. (Formally Mountbatten-Windsor).

Harry’s kids would be Lord/Lady Kermit Mountbatten-Windsor.

The distinction you’re desperately trying to make to save face doesn’t exist.

Blocked. You’re boring,

Two kids, twice the merching. She'll have to make sure it's a girl.

She wants to have a daughter. A daughter she can call Diana.

Granted, I'd lol A LOT if she got pregnant again only to end up with just another boy.

[R149] Thank you for the NAMI recommendation. Will check it out. I am on the UWS. Sincerely, crazy frau :)

R190 Me too!

R174 - The journos assigned to the royal beat usually know the players much better than the public does, and they usually keep their knowledge to themselves as direct statements, instead slanting stories in a way that conveys their opinion. The journos have to be discreet about what they know, or their jobs would vanish. But I'd be surprised if the journos who have been assigned to following the Sussexes aren't well aware of what a pretentious pair of self-weening twats they are. I keep remembering Chips Channon's (yes, I'm the OP of that thread) bemoaning King Edward's bad, ungracious, and hostile attitude toward Fleet Street, whose good will Edward so badly needed.

Thank you, R173. I thought The Sun was pro-MM (unless I'm mistaken), so I'm pleased to see some objectivity.

[quote] What do we suppose she is doing right now?

She's asleep.

Or she's awake wondering how to stop the feeling that someone lit a dumpster fire in her crotch.

Or she awake and wondering how to stop herself from hating the creature destroying her sore nips

Or she's trying to get the creature to stop crying by latching on to said sore nips

Honey, MM has hair and skincare, ect. at work rn. I highly suspect that's what the 'privacy' request was for - not for the country, nor family, nor baby - but b/c she thought she looked like hell.

I doubt she’s breast-feeding tbh....although she’ll probably lie and say she is.

R191 It is a great group. What you need, they will help you get.

I have both referred my patients to NAMI and used NAMI myself.

Back to cruel gossip!

Some babies sleep the first week, so it may not be too bad...yet.

She's reveling in this, R195.

Oy R199 They have a night nurse, for sure. You sleep, night nurse cares for baby.

I wonder what Harry got her for a push present. In NYC, it usually is a Birkin bag.

She'll want jewels and more jewels.

Meant to add at R202, that Emerald is the birthstone for May.

Duke Dim probably got her a tiara.

You know she'll want to wear one in case they get invited to some state dinner, like the one we can expect to take place when President Plump will be gracing the UK with his, ahem, space-filling presence.

Apparently, CBS will also be at the press call tomorrow to “reflect international interest”.

This fucking cunt gets worse.

R194 - What you have to remember about the tabloids is that they are whores: they are "pro" whatever works that day. That said, some papers do have more noticeable slants: the Telegraph is the paper I would say tries hardest on Meghan's behalf, and it has been whispered that they have a direct line to Clarence House. The DM, of course, lauds Meghan when it has to but never loses an opportunity to do so in a way that throws at least some shade at her - the DM absolutely hate her guts. I'd say the SUN, MIRROR, and of course the TIMES, are more neutral unless circumstances warrant a gleeful tip to one side or the other.

Nah, I lived in NYC for a decade. Push present for the right kind of woman is always a Birkin bag, which can cost $20,000 -40,000.

For the housewives of NJ, those Italian women, maybe jewelry or plastic surgery.

But for Meghan, a Birkin bag. Prince Harry can get her any one she wants.

Funny that none of you fraus knew about a push present until I bought it up.

I suppose your partners brought home an extra six pack for you.

Birkin bags are so ugly. R207. I don’t get them at all.

R208 - It depends what sort of pushing you're referring to.

Does anybody else find the term 'push present' icky?

A push present isn’t really a thing in the UK...or not for most people.

"Push present" is a US custom popularized by the likes of the Kardashians (who are also fans of accumulating Birkin bags.)

Yes, R211, it's crass.

Baby will be gorgeous. Blue eyes, golden skin.

R209 You clearly miss the point of a Birkin bag.

Oy, DL, what are we to do with our horribly unsophisticated female visitors?

R201 I think the night nurse is called Doria.

Speaking of which...do you think she’ll be at the great unveiling tomorrow? I think she will.

R144, Prince George's pose in that thumbnail reminds me of this:

R174-more, please!! Any details? Snippets of conversations? How delicious!

See Kylie's collection in the video!

R213 Push presents are the provenance of women on the Upper East side of NYC.

What we used to call socialites.

As in that lovely slice of NYC that borders Central Park.

As in a nice, brief walk to the Met.

I agree about the crassness, I think they could have come up with a better name. When my mum had her first child in the 1980s (in the UK) my dad gave her an eternity ring, which I think is tasteful. Eternity rings can be given at different times but the birth of the first child is one of them.

https://www.purelydiamonds.co.uk/blog/2010/07/20/eternity-rings-the-history-and-traditions/

LOL R213!

At R223, meant R221. Sigh. Edit button.

R212 Poor, poor frau.

Push presents are what wealthy men give their equally wealthy wives after they deliver an heir.

Of course you are unfamiliar with this term, as you have never delivered an heir to a wealthy man.

I've already forgotten which one but yesterday one of the UK tabloids headlined their baby article "American Actress Gives Birth to Son." Talk about shade.

Meghan as so many jewels now. I'm sure Harry buys her what she wants.

'I've already forgotten which one but yesterday one of the UK tabloids headlined their baby article "American Actress Gives Birth to Son." Talk about shade.'

You are lying, Fuglicia.

R227 - Not like Kate's she doesn't.

R226 need a hard cock shoved in her ass to bring her to her senses.

Ha ha R225. True!

The title is Earl. The form of address is Lord. Earl of Grantham. Lord Grantham. If your earldom is attached to your family name there's no of. Earl Spencer. Lord Spencer.

It isn't Viscount of Severn. It's Viscount Severn.

Excuse me; that would be Lord/Lady Markle-Mountbatten-Windsor.

R228-No, I saw a screen capture of the headline another site, but I just chuckled and didn't really pay attention to the publication name. I want to say The Sun, but maybe not.

Oh for heaven's sake, give up on discussions of what titles the young Prince will have.

We are a gender free nation now, so any discussion of titles must involve the queer version of such title.

R232 - For the win. It's "Lord" for an Earl as there is no other form of address - there is no such thing as Your Earlness, as there are forms of address for, say, a non-royal duke, "Your Grace", or with a bona fide HRH, "Your Royal Highness". So it will be Lord Dumbarton for common use.

Let's get back to Kate looking too thin.

It is such a fine line between looking fit as can be with a waist to die for, and looking a tad undernourished.

Harry should browse Etsy to find Meghan a new ring.

R236 Is your penis so flacid that you are spewing shit?

The young prince will call himself whatever he wants to.

Duke of Earl? DONE!

Duke of half black mother? DONE

R238 The prince should shove his cock down your throat. You do love royal cock?

Thought so.

"Push present" makes me think the woman would have had the man carry the baby himself, if only such a thing were possible.

Or rather, that the sort of woman I associate this term with.

And why was Prince Harry in front of the Royal Stable when he made that video?

R241 Have you produced children for men who earn over $10 million a year?

Thought not.

Of course you do not understand the concept of push present.

You probably were gifted a six pack of diet beer, no?

Is it just me, or is Prince Harry starting to pick up an American accent?

R234 I doubt that's a real headline. It sounds like a cheeky reference to the Private Eye headline from 2013 about Kate

So R183 if someone disagrees with you, they’re a liar? What are going to do next, throw your toys out of the sandpit and run crying to Mummy?

R244 Good on Prince Harry. With Brexit, the UK is sinking into shit.

I think it’s very, very unlikely Markle will want the kid known as Lord Dumbarton because...you know...dumb. The jokes just write themselves with that name.

I bet she was seriously fucked off that that was one of the titles.

I think it’ll be Lord, if anything. She’ll figure the average American will be deeply impressed with Lord & impressing people is all that tart cares about.

Perhaps a new hat?

Sorry...last post made no sense.

I think, if anything, it’ll be Lord Mountbatten-Windsor because she’ll see the Lord bit as impressive enough even if it’s just followed by the surname.

I can't wait to see photos of the new baby!

I hope that they Sussexes and Cambridges will put their differences aside and let the kids hang out and play.

R248 You silly cunt, the "average American" is too busy worried about getting Medicare in retirement before it runs out of money. I doubt the "average American" gives a shit what the royal sprog 's formal title is.

R248 Heh, all you see in the name is DUMB. And SEX, in Sussex.

Will the baby be at the photocall tomorrow?

Yes R237. I'm a Kate admirer, but beginning to wonder if there's a wee problem there.

R252 Blimey, cool it. I’m trying to say what I think Meghan will feel. She thinks the whole world is fainting over her joyous news, remember?

I agree...the average American couldn’t (in actuality) give a shit. Neither could the average Brit, truth be told.

If I worded my post badly, I apologise.

'And why was Prince Harry in front of the Royal Stable when he made that video? '

To show off the fact that although they live in a COTTAGE, they have the same amenities the other royals do in Kensington Palace.

Leslie "Hutch" Hutchinson, a black cabaret singer and part-time gigolo first peddled his sexual services in NYC with many lovers male and female, Cole Porter among them. He then journeyed across the Atlantic to London where it was inevitably the same shit/different locale. Those known to indulge themselves with his sexual services in London were also many, a Mountbatten and Prince George, Duke of Kent. His affair with Lady Mountbatten resulted in a huge public scandal which King George V demanded she issue a public denial. After it all died down, she happily went back to sexing him even more.

R252 has been here for years, trying to intimidate people by yelling CUNT over and over again. She got thrown off Mumsnet, Digital Spy and the Daily Mail Comments for being too abusive.

[quote] After it all died down, she happily went back to sexing him even more.

Don’t blame her. He’s gorgeous.

I agree, R252. Average Americans for "the brand." But surely Meghan most of all cares about impressing American VIPs. She can't wait for her triumphant return to New York, Toronto, and especially Los Angeles. Dreaming of Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson et al curtseying to her, no doubt.

So that's why Harry said thank you to the horses, R257.

^the Queen's horses. Nice!

I want to give the surrogate a push present. Amazon gift card?

R259 is Poo Shoes

Please ignore her

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R265 is the Spaz Troll. F and F, then block.

R256 I hope you are not one of our super-fecund frau vistors.

You sound hot.

Are you a top or bottom.

Oh, yes, I am versatile.

R266 I did. Sort of.

I said (way upthread) that it was odd William was putting Harry’s child at the same level of importance to him as Pippa’s child.

But you said it better, and you’re right. It’s all a bit....dismissive.

R257, if you watch the full video you can see that the cameraman told Harry to stand in front of the horses.

Do you agree with me that most the posters on this thread are fraus, and that most have never had a hard cock shoved in their ass.

We need to encourage our royal visitors to pursue what we love: having hard cock shoved down our asses.

Hey fraus visiting us from Royal Dish: Ready for this?

It never occurred to me that Meghan would send Harry over to the Queen's stables to make the point that she hasn't been sidelined in Frogville.

From the Daily Mail, sorry if already posted:

"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have insisted on a US broadcaster being present when they unveil their baby son to the world today – and have picked the channel fronted by one of Meghan’s best friends.

The couple have arranged for CBS, the network whose morning show is fronted by the duchess’s confidante Gayle King – a guest at her New York baby shower – to join a small British media contingent for the photocall at Windsor Castle.

The decision came as a surprise to British television channels including the BBC and ITV – not to mention many at Buckingham Palace.

It comes as royal fans wait for their first glimpse of the newborn in a photo shoot due to take place on Wednesday.

A source said last night the arrangements were made to ‘reflect the international interest in the story’.

But British broadcasters are said to be furious at the move and there is also concern among some in the royal household that the decision will look like a ‘slap in the face’ to Commonwealth broadcasters, particularly in countries such as Australia, Canada and New Zealand, where the Queen is still head of state.

‘It’s a decision that has taken everyone by surprise and has not gone down well in some quarters,’ one source said."

Wow. They're always doing things that "take by surprise." You have to admit it's hilarious that a "Deal or No Deal" gal is pushing the British Royal Family around. The sheer balls!

I have a question. I don't watch much network TV, so am barely aware of Gayle King or what she does. Why is she so important? Didn't she get famous because she's Oprah's friend or something?

R272 are you a top or bottom

Do you want a hard cock shoved up your ass?

Do you want to lick the cum off that cock?

R273, so pleased to hear that CBS will be there. This will enrage the Kate troll and the Eugenie's Wedding Troll.

R266 It does seem like a polished performance, doesn't it? And I do think Carole is something of a mastermind, at least when it comes to how Kate should behave publicly.

It'll be hard to find a nanny who knows that African clicking language

Also, didn't Kate work in the family biz at one point? (Or was that Pippa?)

I only mention this in response to DLers who have claimed that Kate has never held down a job.

Also, didn't Kate work in the family biz at one point? (Or was that Pippa?)

I only mention this in response to DLers who have claimed that Kate has never held down a job.

In London, nope. A lot of the black nannies will know it, R277.

Her Majesty's ponies have been covered, so where will CBS be setting up tomorrow?

We'll get our first glimpse of Lord Earl of Dumbarton Mountbatten-Windsor tomorrow! Have you got your bingo cards ready?

BÉBÉ BINGO:

"He's too dark-skinned, Meghan must have cheated on Harry"

"He's too light-skinned, the surrogate must be white"

"I'm not being funny but that child looks a hell of a lot like James Hewitt"

"Is that really Meghan? Her eyes look too close together. I reckon they've roped in a doppelgänger, the real one must still be locked in the Tower of London"

"Are we sure that's a real baby? It looks like to me they've drawn a face on a pillow and put a wig on top of it"

R282, don't forget:

'It's a reborn doll! We even have the model number here.'

The tip-off will be if he's swaddled in brown velvet.

I’ll reply R188 even though you’ve supposedly blocked me, because even if you have, you won’t be able to resist coming back to see what response you got. All attention is good attention, right? Even if it’s bad.

R188 if you block anybody and call them boring, who quite rightly points out where you got something wrong, you’re going to be doing a hell of a lot of blocking. And calling people “boring”.

Nothing that I said was factually incorrect. You know that, which is why your only response is to block.

Kim and Kylie's mixed race kids were born white-ish, and everyone said they couldn't belong to their black partners and Meghan is a great deal paler than Kanye or Travis Scott. So I expect this baby to be very white and Skippy. Torontopapers and Drip Drop will all scream that Harry impregnated a white surrogate so that the Royal bloodline was not defiled by African blood.

Mixed race babies take on more colour as they age, but this one is only 12.5% black so won't have much of an ethnic look.

R269 I think it was intentional. That's hardly the sort of thing the average person would make a mistake about but less a person whose entire life is based on bloodline and birth order. He didn't have to say anything about Pippa's son. I may have been hanging with you lot too much, but I thought it was particularly sharp. That's the first time I've heard a senior royal publicly downplay another royal on the record (besides Charles and Diana).

R276. It was quite polished. Her answer seemed prepared.

I'm interested in hearing other lesser known royal spats that have been one the record. I'm not the interested in Charles and Diana or the Yorks.

R286, so true. But look at Halle Berry's daughter.

She is as dark as Halle!

Mother Nature is a mad scientist!

R281, Meghan can't resist the opportunity to show off the newly refurbished Frog Cottage so expect the shoot to be inside. Plenty of close ups of the baby moving so that the CT-ers can't scream about reborn dolls, child actors or photoshop.

R288, even if the boy is as dark as Meghan, that still won't be very dark. Here in the UK we nearly all thought Meghan was just a brunette, maybe a touch of Latino. Nobody thought she was black until the tabloids decided to blazon it.

I'm picturing the kid really dark skinned with a big ginger afro. And freckles.

How adorable would that be?

R287I imagine that he just didn't want to make Pippa's child feel excluded. Technically he is an uncles already and to suggest otherwise would be a bit hurtful. Obviously it's not the same as a blood uncle but making sure not to make Pippa's child or his wife's side of the family feel excluded is just good manners really and the kind thing to do.

Presumably, when Skippy sees Markle tomorrow she’ll say she’s on day release from Holloway, where’s she’s being held on charges of High Treason.

Hmm, do most Brits think that we Yanks are inappropriately obsessed with race?

R244, I thought Harry’s accent sounded sort of blue collar. When he gave his little speech down by the stables... it struck me that he didn’t sound posh at all. Something he said with the “th” and substituted the “v”.

I could be wrong. Maybe I’ll watch it again.

I think Kate's citrine ring is beautiful. I wouldn't want to wear Diana's sapphire engagement ring -- too much bad mojo.

R294 Only when it comes to Markle. It’s infuriating to be told by certain US columnists that the only reason she gets negative press here is because we’re all racists...but then there’s plenty of SJW Brits saying the same..

I hope the baby is very dark skinned. Having a person of colour in direct line for the throne would actually amazing & worth celebrating.

But if he’s very white with red hair then.....?

I am hoping for dark skin and big blue eyes. A rarely seen combination and one they're probably hoping for too. He will have Harry's height and will be a Vogue model when he grows up. Meghan would love that!

R292 Pippa's child is 6 months old. If the issue at hand doesn't involved eating or pooping, he doesn't care about it.

Like I said, William didn't have to mention second or first. He could have said he was happy for his brother and excited to meet his new nephew. When Charles was asked about the birth he didn't mention his other grandchildren first before expressing his joy at baby Sussex.

Naw, R289, that's a whole separate magazine spread, dontcha think?

R300, they're not allowed to do those kind of spreads so this is her only chance.

'Cause they want you to think their kid was born in a manger, R242.

R300 What if they wrapped it in a package of "historic renovation of a historic residence"?

what meghan wants, meghan gets. At this point it's been shown she'll do whatever she wants and the firm will bend over backwards to protect her cause ~can't have a bad reputation~

[quote]I wouldn't want to wear Diana's sapphire engagement ring -- too much bad mojo.

What I always notice about that ring is so often it seldom seems to fit her. It spins around on her finger. It's too big. And, personally, I never thought it was a particularly attractive ring.

It's a given that Baby Boy Sussex will have a funky nose. His nose will most likely be wide, flat and sloping since H&M, the Markle gang,+Doria have one. There's a chance that he'll inherit the large beak nose of Diana or Philip.

Dark hair, blue eyes with a latte skin tone would be fab. Hope he doesn't have Harry's pink face. I think the Mowry kids are gorgeous as is Paula Patton's son.

I agree with you, R299.

It’s distancing language.

“How does it feel to be a an uncle”. “Ah...been there, done that. Not a big deal”,

It reminds me of Charles commenting on the engagement. He said, “Obviously, we’re very pleased....l.

No need for “obviously” - it’s putting a slight distance between what you’re saying and what you’re feeling.

Subtle...but there. IMO.

A friend of mine who was born in the UK but lives overseas now recently returned from a trip home. She said she was surprised among regular people how much dislike there was of Megantoinette. Her antics aren't going down in some quarters of middle England.

Harry has a funny way of showing his enthusiasm, like rubbing his hands together and licking his chops, yum yum! He did the same thing beholding her at the altar.

The bottom line re style, title and name for the Sussex sprog is that he will have the style, title and name that his great grandmother HM The Queen agrees to him having. Unless the Sussexes go with proposing something different (in the same way that the Wessexes did re Louise and James) and HM approves, any children of the Sussexes will be called:

First born son: Earl of Dumbarton (as that’s the Duke’s first subsidiary title) Any daughter: Lady Mountbatten-Windsor - as the daughter of a Duke Any other sons: Lord Mountbatten-Windsor - as the younger son of a Duke

Once Charles is King and if it hasn’t happened earlier and if Charles doesn’t decide to issue Letters Patent to keep them non-royal they will all be upgraded to “HRH Prince/ss of Sussex” on the accession of their grandfather.

It sounds complex but once you get the hang of it, all the rules regarding styles and titles are fairly logical.

Of course if Ginge and Minge were serious about wanting to be egalitarian and modern and not caring about the old order, they’d be plain Mr and Mrs Mountbatten-Windsor right now, having just brought Master Jaidyn-Jaxonne Mountbatten-Windsor into the world. But I can’t see Meghan agreeing to that!

I want a dark-skinned Diana. Think of the competition between him and Cousin George, who has his own Diana look going on.

R10 It looks like India Hicks and Lady Pamela have more testosterone than Ashley. Was the family friend a male?

R294 - It's because our countries (US and UK) have a very different history in terms of raced and class. I was shocked when I traveled round the US to realise just how much poverty is racialised - the 'bad' areas, the areas I was told not to venture into, were the poor areas, which were the black areas. Since then I've learned how deliberate this was, not just because of the history of slavery and civil rights but because of the deliberate policy of redlining, which made sure that white districts were richer and had more home-owners and could afford better education for the children living there, from the 1950s onwards.

Obviously there is racism in Britain and obviously we were a huge part of the slave trade itself, but I would say that your race issues are probably our class issues, in the sense that British people tend to be quite sensitive to class differences, which go beyond just money itself to general lifestyle and presentation, but it is not racialised as with the US.

I understand why people from the US are more race-aware, because of the specific socio-cultural history (and present) of the country and the awareness of the specific form of structural racism that that has created. But sometimes this focus can be a bit surprising or incongruous to the British ear.

I haven't read all of this thread - it is more than possible that some British anti-Meghan posters are being racist. Racism and xenophobia is actually increasing in this country due to the current political climate. It's just that the way we tend to think about race as a country is different for the reasons I've explained above. For example, to a US audience I think Meghan being a mixed-race royal is probably much more of a big deal and more controversial than it is to most British people, whereas, I think it is fair to say, class would be more of a visible difference here.

R311 George is the spitting image of Kate's dad. Louis gives off a weird vibe. Something is just odd about him.

Beware of men named Ashley and Jamie. They are Trouble with a capital "T."

R314 George has the Diana upward gaze.

R313 Yes, and Meghan knows it.

R307 I think reports of better relations between the Wales brothers may have overstated things.

That's interesting. What do you mean Meghan knows it? R317?

R319 "to a US audience I think Meghan being a mixed-race royal is probably much more of a big deal and more controversial than it is to most British people". In that regard, a powerful thing.

My favorite gift so far for Baby Sussex is the stuffed kangaroo presented by Australia's Governor General.

"Since then I've learned how deliberate this was, not just because of the history of slavery and civil rights but because of the deliberate policy of redlining, which made sure that white districts were richer and had more home-owners and could afford better education for the children living there, from the 1950s onwards."

R313 it's not as simple as that. The argument can also be made that Black poverty in large due to absence of fathers in children's/ family life in Black America. Part of this can be traced to well-intentioned government social programs that started in 1960s where the government took over as provider from fathers in the traditional Black family structure. The displacement trend really started from that time onward and hasn't recovered since. That is just one of the factors. Poverty is cyclical so once entrenched it's hard to dig out from under. Institutional racism played a big part too, there are so many factors to just pin on one.

What the US thinks isn't at all relevant when it comes to the UK tho? Americans can be all offended on TV for their 15mins, but none of them gotta pick up her obnoxious fucking bills.

Fuck this cunt, they need to ban americans from marrying in.

DL royal historians, why didn't H&M wear the hats that they were gifted in Australia ? Is there a rule prohibiting it? H&M were out in the hot sun at the family farm the next day. Neither wore a hat. I felt like they should have wore their new hats.

Race is more politicized in America than in the UK.

America is anything but homogeneous, that's what a lot of people from outside the country do not understand (and with the anti-American sentiment that some hold, some don't care to understand it). For example, I couldn't care less about Meghan being half-white and half-black. Jane down the road might be intensely interested in it. That's just the way it is. Shrug.

R323, why are you picking up any royal’s bills? Ask yourself that.

Better Americans than more Germans, Russians and Greeks.

'[R323], why are you picking up any royal’s bills? Ask yourself that. '

Why are you living in country without free health insurance? Ask yourself that. '

People especially Americans, like to talk about race but only when it's Black-White issue. When confronted with race issues that dispel a lot of myths, then the woke/ SJW Left actually become racists themselves against POC, particularly against those who are not Black. For instance the SJW/ Left are for Asian-Americans being discriminated in college admissions in favor of Black/ Latino students because Asian-Americans are too over-represented in top universities already and would be more so if left up to merits alone. So yes, in the U.S. race issues are not so cut and dry.

R322, you are right that poverty is multi-dimensional, as are all structural issues, and it's definitely hard to get out from under. Absent fathers play a part but that is not unique to the black community. What was kind of unique was the issue of redlining, which was a deliberate policy to maintain poverty in one half of the population and enable mobility in the other. If that had not happened then I would think absent fathers would not have been such a big deal. If you want to affect the mobility prospects of the next generation(s) then the things to target are education and housing, which they did.

R328, I most definitely ask myself that, and am doing something about it. What are you doing, besides bitching on DL.

Some of the poorest counties in the USA are white af, it's not just a poverty thing.

What about absent mothers?

What a wonderful discussion on the british royal family, exploring the racialized socio-economic issues in a former colony.

...I have a very bad feeling about this.

Speaking of Doria, think she'll be present at the photo call? In the background, maybe?

When are we going to hear from her? You know - "DORIA SPEAKS!"

R333 LOL.

What is that LUMP on Harry’s forehead? What is that fucking thing? Can’t he have the NHS take a look at it?

Doria is just window dressing. She kind of wafts in, they get the pics, and she wafts her way out again. OUT within 72 hours!

I think it's amusing. But I'm not buying any of this, Lol.

Somebody posted this in the thread about Meagain wanting to move to LA:

[quote]She's still in the process of applying for UK citizenship. It takes several years. If she spends more than one hundred days in a single year outside of the UK, citizenship will be denied and she will lose her HRH, which is currently only a courtesy title since she isn't technically a UK citizen.

How accurate is it?

R44 Kate's brother, James, really does resemble Nicholas.

R328 Free health insurance or free health care? I think there's a difference, no?

I cannot wait for this photo call. I give HRH huge props for building suspense. It's going to be a bigger media event than Kate on the Lindo steps. Even if she wasn't that successful as an actress, she has a strong showbiz instinct.

R273 - It's curious - or not - that after a year in which the Sussexes, and Meghan in particular, so got off on the wrong foot with the UK press, that she would (and you have to know it was Meghan, not Harry) blithely pull another stunt on behalf of her friend Gayle King and stick two fingers up to the very Commonwealth nations whom she and Harry are allegedly representing.

It makes me think she really isn't planning to stay for the long haul and once the two kids are out, wants to cultivate what she knows will be far more important American press contacts later on.

R341-being bigger than Kate on the Lindo steps is exactly why MM has orchestrated the photo call this way. She's a cunt, but she's a media savvy cunt.

R341 - And that's why she's so disliked - it's all show biz with her, but no values.

Her good friend Gayle King who wasn’t even invited to her wedding.

R334 Why not? I mean it's just an aside from the main discussion. It shows many of us here who can't stand her bitch ass are not racists or idiots that her woke or frau fans are always accusing us of being. Since Meghan herself showcases her Blackness when it suits her now, not when she had time to do it in real life. She joined a white sorority, dated only white men, and had nose job and straightened her hair to fit into white beauty standards.

R339 - The only thing I know that is accurate about the post you cite is about Meghan's HRH really being only a courtesy at this point. She can lose it automatically, including being divorced before she becomes a UK citizen, or Harry dying before she becomes a UK citizen-without the titled husband, Meghan has no right to that title as, say, Kate Middleton would have if William died. Once Meghan becomes a UK citizen, the HRH can only be removed by Letters Patent or by surrendering it as part of a divorce deal, the way Diana and Fergie lost their HRHs.

R346, and don’t forget that we hate her because she snagged the man we all want for ourselves. Gap-tooth, frizzy ginger man-boy.

R346 says they're not racist then makes a racist comment. Sigh

R339 Not true. Or not quite.

She’s not currently applying for citizenship. She can’t do that until she’s lived here for three years. (Normally, it’s five years, but only three if your spouse is a Brit).

During the three years, you can’t have spent more than 270 days outside the UK - and no more than 90 days in the year before your application.

But there’s a but....if your Brit spouse is posted abroad on government business the residency requirements can be waived.

Yes...her HRH Duchess title is courtesy only at the moment. She’s not really a Duchess...yet.

R346 If you're so triggered and think that's a racist comment then you're too fragile for this board. Get offended easily, do you? Think everyone is a racist?

Meh. MM won't lose her HRH or any of that anytime soon; not for that reason, R339.

MM has a short-term thinking, narrow, impulsive little rodent mind. It shows in several ways, shopping for one.

So she's good at the whole 'winning battles' thing, but it remains to be seen if she's good at winning wars. It'll be amusing to watch her shoot herself in the foot trying, Lol.

Not a long-term thinker, this one. If she was, she wouldn't have chased down the HRH. That was stupid, but the die is cast and she got herself where she is all by herself. I'd just better not ever hear her bitching about it.

Sorry I meant my comment for R349

R347, even if she is divorced and living in LA, what’s to stop her from using the HRH? What are they gonna do, arrest her? Sue her? Tell her she can’t?

She has consistently done whatever she pleases and no one has done shit about it. I’m almost rooting for her at this point.

Reason why Meg wants to live in LA is because she knows that only the LA crowd and certain types of Americans are impressed with British royalty and titles. As in genuinely impressed and unlike most of us who enjoy watching a shit show train wreck real life soap opera that the BRF has become.

I'm not triggered and I don't think everyone is racist but R346 made a racist comment and I called it out. If you R351 don't like me calling out racism, you can ignore me or leave.

NO one can be bigger than Kate on the steps of the Lindo because she trotted out the future king.

R286 R288 I think the baby will look like Paula Patton's son, white skin with either blonde or red hair. Except not as good looking because Paula is prettier than MM. Halle Berry's Dad was a lot darker than Doria. Of course it will have probably darkish hair at first as most newborns do.

Harry has been a disappointment.

R356 How in the fuck was that comment racist? Would you care to qualify it? BTW I'm R346 and you're not calling me out on anything honey. I'm biracial half Asian/ white myself so preach how racism works and what it is and isn't. Got it? And telling people to leave or not call your easily-offended ass out, yes that's one of the hallmarks of being triggered.

How accurate is it?

INACCURATE. As soon as she's married, she is entitled to a British passport. I have a friend who had a lavender marriage in the 90s for this express purpose. She got the passport straight after the wedding.

[R352] I don’t know. Something tells me she could well win the “war,” whatever that is. What is the war, do we think?

R361 Absolutely 100% crap.

R354 - Depends on what you see as "doing shit about it". Frogmore Cottage would never have been on her list of prioirty homes, she's an urbanite who likes great shopping, buzz, exposure, and attention. The Queen has had close encounters with her rude cunty self and watched the bitch try to upstage her granddaughter at her own wedding, she's sown bad blood between Charles's two sons - that kid might have gotten an HRH if Meghan had behaved a bit better. And, lastly, as the old saying goes, "Revenge is a dish best served cold." The long game goes to the Cambridges, no matter how many PR stunts Meghan pulls. That's why I think she will exit before she has to curtsy to King William and Queen Kate, dragging Harry and the kids with her to a spacious Mediterranean villa in Brentwood and pretending she never cared about titles at all.

The woman has gotten everything she wants on her schedule, while the brits languish in ~but the rules~ mentality. She'll never give up her title even if she divorces and she'll cry racism to the TV once they forbid the kid from leaving the UK.

Please learn to send replies correctly, R362. "We" think you could do that, if you try.

The more showbiz she becomes and is seen to be undermining the Royals, the more popular she will become in certain UK circles. The royals and the cost of them is increasingly resented. She knows this.

R361 What a stupid thing to say, a friend of a friend got a passport for free, that has never happened here in the UK.

She didn't get it for free, spaz. She got it after marrying a UK citizen.

R362 I don’t think she’ll win the war in the UK.

The only thing she cares about is her public image...and she really is becoming very unpopular in the here.

This time next year I honestly think she’ll be lower than Charles & Camilla in the popularity polls. At which point, I think she’ll take her two dependant boys and decamp to LA. The older one will come back a year or two after that as a divorcee.

Lord Geidt.

Please, DLers, anyone have the dish on the guy? Do tell us.

R361 - I very much doubt it. That title is a courtesy until the day she becomes a UK citizen and she isn't yet a UK citizen regardless of having married a UK citizen. Do show me a photo of Meghan's UK passport.

R362-the ultimate war would be triggering a referendum that resulted in the dissolution of the monarchy. It’s actually possible now.

R367 - Meghan is one of the royals whose "cost" has been a bone of contention in those same circles.

R369 Oh dear you really are stupid aren't you, you have to apply for citizenship whether you are married or not. They don't just send you a passport once you get married lol. You have to be a citizen to get one and to be a citizen you need to apply and go through the long process of becoming one.

R374, yep but she is 25% black so that is waived.

R367 You think the more she undermines the royals the more popular she’ll become because people are starting to resent them anyway?

What is it about Meghan that incurs such wrathful bitterness from you all? What exactly has she done?

Can we talk about Princess Margaret and her love affair with Group Captain Peter Townsend?

Unrequited love is such a sweet thing.

Yep, R367. She has massively undermined them by being American, divorced, an actress, mixed race, and marrying one of the Princes. It's all downhill from there.

If she totally undermines them, who is going to pay her bills?

R373 are you serious? I really don't think the UK is up for another referendum and most people recognise that a constitutional monarchy is a very stable system of governing.

R378, see R380

R378 She's a narcissistic cunt, pretty simple actually

R381, she'll be okay but the next generations might need to get jobs. If Labour get in, they will cut the Civil List to the bone.

' I really don't think the UK is up for another referendum and most people recognise that a constitutional monarchy is a very stable system of governing. '

Are you mad? They don't govern anything. They are there for historical reasons and as a tourist attraction.

Really, R366? That’s your contribution to this thread?

Princess Margaret and Peter Townsend.

R378 if you can't see it by now then there's really nothing more to say. Maybe you're one of the kinder souls who only chooses to see the best in everyone, even a narcissist who also happen to be an awful person.

The popular story about Margaret and Townsend was the HM forbid their marriage because she was a Princess and he was divorced and as Head of the Church she couldn't give permission.

In fact, a compromise was reached: Margaret could marry him if she gave up her title and position in the line of succession. Margaret chose to keep her title over true love and then bitched about for years.

To me the most stunning part of the Princess Margaret/Peter Townsend story is how he then went and married a spooky look-alike to Margaret.

R386 Not even remotely true.

HM is the Head of State. She has actual powers.

Having a HOS separate from the govt is vital.

*rolls eyes @ R387*

Moving on...

I still don't understand why MM gets all this money for clothes. I mean, the UK is having a really tough time, it is so incredibly tone deaf to put this in their faces, surely?

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R381 You are obviously not British because if you were you would know we don't have a "civil list" anymore, in fact we haven't had one sine 2011. You would also know that changing legislation is not a matter of one party just waltzing in and changing whatever they want.

^^^ Since 2011

R394 That was Ken Wharfe, who hasn’t seen either of the boys since they were kids.

R391, Townsend was very handsome.

I love the story that Princess Margaret brushed a bit of lint off of his uniform at the Coronation and in so doing, alerted all of Fleet Street to the intimacy of their relationship.

So did this totally legit baby get a gun salute? It seems like a complete non-event even with the whole drama around it's dumb parents.

There's nothing wrong with Gayle King being invited to the baby photo call. Meghan is American. There's huge interest in H&M and the baby. Harry is partnering w/ Oprah for a series on mental health. Gayle represents Oprah in this situation.

R393 I engaged with your post in good faith, Madam, to further the discussion. You respond with dull pedantry, then an "eyeroll," followed by a limp observation in order to change the subject from your fail. A pox upon you!

Narcissist, blah blah blah. Tired of hearing that word.

Have Skippy's insane Fake Birth Masterpost, Part 2.

R394 Last year Ken Wharfe was talking about how awful Harry was because of his nazi uniform and how he was always inviting women to sleep with him.

R378, It’s not bitterness. For me, it’s “oh for fucks sake” when I see people swallowing her act. If you’ve ever been the victim of a true narcissist, you’d recognize it. If you haven’t, well, lucky you.

I do have a begrudging admiration for her climbing skills. Sometimes I want to see how far she’ll go.

Crazt and sad that Elizabeth enjoys such excellent health in her 90s, and her younger sister Margaret passed on so young.

R394, Wills sounds more and more like Charles!

Sounds as though Harry and Smeg deserve each other.

R394, In fairness, Harry had more freedom to be mischievous. And he continues to be mischievous!

There's a photo posted a ways back by R102 - note the limpness of Charles' hands in said photo. He's hover-handing his own son. This is the not the pose of a man who is actually in a close rough-and-tumble type relationship with his children. I've always suspected the 'Wills and Harry have a close, modern, touchy-feely relationship with their dad' bit to be bullshit. It's interesting watching rigid, repressed British people (and I speak as a rigid, repressed British person, albeit without the wealth or social standing) trying to come across as not so rigid and repressed.

Also thank you R121 for the specific info in pointing out M and H recommending for-profit organizations as part of their mental health awareness week or whatever it was. And not just for-profit but run by Meghan's friends. That really is scandalous, imo, and not in the fun way. It's interesting that for all their sniping, the press has, as far as I can see, completely given them a pass on this. It's a terrible look and they really shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

Apart from any issues with how it reflects on the RF, how is it not breaking the new social media policies/rules about clearly identifying ads? The Kardashians get straight up paid for that kind of post, ffs.

Oh my, R401. You are so pressed, Lol.

R400 There’s everything wrong with it when British & Commonwealth countries aren’t invited.

So America’s interested? And? It’s we Brits who are fucking paying for this shit show.

R405, it's no secret as to why Margaret had such bad health. Smoking and excessive liquor. The queen did neither.

Meghan is AMERICAN. The Commonwealth countries do not give a fuck and it's the Royal Press Secretary you should be directing your wrath at, not her.

Not that crazy R405 considering that Margaret was a chain-smoking alcoholic whereas her sister is relatively abstemious.

R412, right. Margaret apparently lacked the Keith Richards gene.

R410 "Pressed" -what does that even mean? In proper English, please?

R404 So true, all sociopathic narcissists act the same way, it's fascinating to watch MM do it on the world stage. It's just how my mother would act if she was in the same position. I'm glad she had a boy, boys aren't as great a threat to the female narc as girl especially a girl would be a true born royal unlike her mother. They are truly awful people with no soul.

'Apart from any issues with how it reflects on the RF, how is it not breaking the new social media policies/rules about clearly identifying ads?'

It's only PAID ads that have to be identified. None of these companies are paying her to post. You are nuts if you think that is happening.

Nobody gives a fuck where markle originates from. The woman voluntarily entered the family, the cunt isn't entitled to shit from her fucking ~home country~

R416, what the fuck are you even doing on social media at such an advanced age? Pressed has meant annoyed and expressing annoyance for decades.

You don't have to like me that much, R416. I know I do OK in the looks department, but really now. No need to chase me, it'll chill the thrill. Lol.

- What Meghan wants, Meghan gets! (No one has really stopped her yet, tbh.)

R413 Go away to another board you hysterical Megastan. The commonwealth countries do give a fuck, why do you think they have so many tv stations from say Australia here in the UK for the birth. You can always tell a Megastan, they love the use of capitals to convey their insane rage. Toodles!

'Nobody gives a fuck where markle originates from. The woman voluntarily entered the family, the cunt isn't entitled to shit from her fucking ~home country~ '

She is entitled. They set a precedent by letting her have that crazy black preacher at the wedding. Now she gets more of what she wants. Trump is a nightmare so she is the acceptable face of Anglo/American relations at the moment. She is the Special Relationship.

You should direct your ire at the more powerful royals and their PR, not her. They only had to say no, but they didn't.

R409, thank YOU for bringing r121’s point back up here. Meg really took Doria’s advice to heart. Don’t bother with people who can’t be useful to you.

I guess people her call it “strategic alliance” and “networking”, and if everyone gets something out of it, who am I to judge?

But as HRH, it’s unseemly. And just gross. Is she that hard-up for cash and IOUs?

R412 The Queen Mother drank a lot and live to be 101. I don't know if she smoked.

The Queen drinks 4 drinks a day.

Lord Snowdon is my favorite royal title.

I don't like Dumbarton. It has "dumb" as a focus and there is an ugly bridge named Dumbarton Bridge in the SF Bay Area.

Viscount Severn has a lovely ring to it. Isn't Severn a beautiful, leafy part of England?

R413 Yes, dear, she’s American.

And the only reason anyone paying the talentless whore any attention at all is because she married a member of the British royal family, is being supported by the British taxpayer, is living in a house supplied (for free) by the British BRF & British taxpayers and gets protected, at enormous expense - home and abroad - by British police officers, paid for by British taxpayers.

And she wants to shut out all British media outlets - and Australian/Canadian ones - for an American one?

And, by the way, if you read the whole article it says she was told NO but she insisted.

So fuck off shouting at me. If you Americans want to deposit one of your number in OUR royal family then you deal with the fact that you have NO fucking importance.

R424, she isn't being paid for mentioning those mental health orgs. That is forbidden. It isn't happening. Stop pretending it is.

Lol tbh R422 I can't even tell if you're a sugar or a hater. Just admit you misunderstood my post and came at me stupidly, and maybe I'll forgive you.

As for the "pressed" troll - honey, you sound PRESSED! (Am I doing it right?)

I love how mad MM makes all these snobby, racist, fascist Royal watchers. It's like watching Adolf Hitler posting.

R424 She doesn’t have to be being paid for it to be wrong, you ignoramus. The BRF do not endorse private companies.

Oops, sorry R422, that was meant for R421. Who will now no doubt come at me with some witty "learn how to post" riposte.

R417, yep. No soul. Just a bottomless pit of desperate need. Sorry about your mother. I, too, was hoping for a boy.

It’s sort of interesting to watch her destroy everything in her path. From a distance.

MM already has plenty of wealth as Harry's wife. She's not about to risk it all by asking for money to post about mental health orgs or indeed any company. The Merching Troll just can't accept this, because she loves coming on the thread and screaming MERCHING! NARC! MOONBUMP! over and over again.

R430 Why did you call me an ignoramus? Maybe I didn’t make my point well, but let me try again: for a regular civilian/celebrity, the endorsement would be questionable. For HRH it’s downright wrong. I think we agree on that.

Roll Call of Trolls on The Fastest Moving Threads on Datalounge, BRF Gossip

Narc Troll

Merching Troll

Eugenie's Wedding Troll

Spaz Troll

Kate Troll

Commonwealth Troll

Sexting Trolls (they need to get a room)

R435 I think there's crossover among those you listed.

R427 Are you seriously calling private yoga enterprise "mental health orgs"? Please for fuck's sake don't legitimize those wellness for-profits as mental health orgs. It really drives us actual mental health providers fucking bonkers.

R436, yep and I forgot the Moonbump Troll

R434 Fuck. Very sorry. It was aimed at R427. Apologies.

R427 Someone will profit from Markle’s recommendation. Since there are plenty of not-for-profit charities working for mental health, it’s ludicrous that she’s including her friend’s yoga studio. And it’s wrong.

R437, you are the Merching Troll.

Please tell me why she would risk her considerable wealth as Harry's wife (guaranteed for life) and her position as Duchess of Sussex by accepting money from firms for pay to post?

R440 I'm not the Merching Troll you fuckwad. I'm merely asking people to refrain from lumping yoga enterprise with legitimate mental health organizations. Are you that dim, ass wipe?

If anyone honestly thinks no money or favours are being exchanged for these mentions, then do I have a wonderful bridge to sell you.

MM fanatics are so humorless. Easily pressed, too.

R440 And do you honestly think there’s a moral difference between accepting money herself and using her (unearned) position to give her mates companies free advertising? All the while virtue-signalling her “support” for mental health sufferers.

You don’t have a fucking clue, do you?

Yoga can be very beneficial to mental heath, R441, you lardtard. Just because you never stir from your computer except to get another six pack of Wotsits out of the cupboard.

R435

R439, I blow a kiss at you. Yes yes yes to everything you said. It’s sort of interesting to see how she’s using her incredible clout on the stupidest things. What a waste of a platform. She could do real good, but instead she just wants some freebies. I wonder how many bags of goodies some assistant had to lug home in a taxi, shuffled out of the back door of the Ila Apothecary. How many free facials she scored for her flying monkeys.

[R440] And do you honestly think there’s a moral difference between accepting money herself and using her (unearned) position to give her mates companies free advertising? All the while virtue-signalling her “support” for mental health sufferers.

You don’t have a fucking clue, do you?

Huge, huge difference. Accepting cash equals illegal. Just mentioning the studio is fine, dumbfuck.

Guys, I think we all agree here. Let’s not fight.

Does anyone know what time the Big Reveal is tomorrow? Is it tomorrow?

I prefer aromatherapy and colonics. All while sitting under a plastic pyramid. At the same time, obv..

Kate and William made public some photos from a holiday on the Maldives island Cheval Blanc Randheli. MERCHING ALERT! And for a private 5* resort in a country ruled by a totalitarian dictactor! There are plenty of examples like this.

Also: Is Gayle King a client of Sunshine Sachs?

Updating Troll Roll Call to include:

Yoga Studio Troll

And you, R448, are the reason some Americans need to stop talking about the BRF...because you just don’t get it.

For all your spiteful rage, you’ve actually embarrassed yourself but you’re too ignorant to see how.

What next...Kate posting pics of herself using New Improved Daz!?

Go away, you ranting loon.

The kid better have a red 'fro. Make it worth my while.

Will MM have a tanning bed to stick the kid (and herself) in, when it becomes convenient for to be black again?

Kate has already marched for plenty of couture brands and hotel owners. Sad that you can't see that. I'm not American, I'm British.

I meant MERCHED not Marched, although they're similar.

R445 I lead a weekly, light yoga session as part of my wellness group for physically-challenged individuals coping with mental illness at the community day rehab program for people living with chronic mental illness. In fact, I enjoy that gig more than my other gig where I mostly write out prescriptions and get to do psychotherapy on occasions. So yes I do understand components of yoga being therapeutic. However, you do appear to be dumb so let me spell this out for you. The problem arises when an authority or influential source lumps together legitimate mental health agencies/ organizations with for-profit yoga business. Those are two distinct players within the sphere of wellness. But since the Sussexes promote their initiative as mental health, then that means they should adhere to the definition of mental health and not give same standing to yoga studio as actual mental health orgs.

You really are just embarrassing yourself at this point.

Kate is a mercher extraordinaire. So many couture brands and high street brands. So many hotel corporations.

It is utterly unacceptable , in every possible way, for Markle to use Mental Health Awareness Month to advertise her friend’s yoga studio.

Anyone who can’t see that is a moron.

R456 Uh-huh. Wearing clothes and staying in a hotel is not “merching” fool. Is she expected to go naked and sleep in the street?

When Kate starts providing links to hotels and dress shops on IG, you’ll have a point. She hasn’t and won’t.

The many endorsements of Kate Middleton, Princess Mercher.

R458, it won't do you any good trying to talk sense into this person.

Someone said the name should be Mordred, heh.

R462 I know but I can't help it, it's the psychotherapist in me. You're right though.

R460, okay, so we've boiled it all down to ONE post on IG and because it's on IG it matters so much more than being pictured in the Daily Mail wearing a brand (when the DM has a bigger audience than an individual instagram)?

All this upset over one little post. It's 3.10 am, time for you to put down the Monster Munch, count up your pension and go on the Thomsons website to check how many days it is to your annual fortnight in Olu Deniz.

Megantoinette as scented candles. Enough said.

R461 is Oprah and I claim my £5.

It will never do anyone any good trying to talk sense to a MM fanatic. I play with them, instead.

R461 OK. So Kate should either make her own clothes or not wear any at all?

Same goes for Markle, actually. I don’t think she “merches” since she married in.

But it’s bizarre that you’re insistent that Markle wouldn’t take money for endorsements because she has enough money now.....but the same doesn’t go for Kate?

Idiotic.

R469 - Right, that photo she put up last summer on the website showing the lunch of avocado on toast that she made for her private guest with the clearly identified Soho Farmhouse tableware - that wasn't merching at all.

Here we go again.

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R425, I think that "Dumbarton" is also a place name in Georgetown in Washington, DC.

By implication, you guys in GB with your sorry-ass British passport are not global citizens. You guys are just a bunch of provincial hicks stuck in backwater boonies of an island.

R409 here - Actually, if we're using the straight "accepts cold hard cash in return for publicly endorsing a brand" then no, I don't think Meghan does that. I don't think any of the royals do, basically because none of them NEED to. They have enough $. It's not worth the risk to make a little extra on the side.

But posting a link on her social media - her official royal social media - to a friend's for-profit business? Come on, that is about as far from kosher as it gets. And you would rightfully be hammering Kate or any of them if they did the same.

You'll also note that there is a difference between wearing a brand of clothing, or utilizing a certain company's services etc., and deliberately linking to that brand on SM (or speaking publicly, naming the brand in an interview or something similar). If you can provide proof of Kate doing that with a resort - releasing photos where the brand is visible, speaking publicly of the brand etc., then do so and I'll be happy to condemn that as the vulgarity it is.

I issued this challenge on a previous thread but I'll reissue it here: for the Megastan in out midst (and as others have said, your writing style is easily identifiable - "fuglicia," "troll" etc.) - I dare you to just lay out your earnest reasons for being such a fan of MM. And "because you're fat and live in a basement" directed at other posters isn't going to cut it.

This thread is really not fun.

I want BRF gossip, not high level contention.

Um... global citizen... erm... hahaha...

Getting out the popcorn... anyone that wants to join me, certainly may - just have a sense of humor, and don't be a narcissist/flying monkey, please.

[quote] Their royal highnesses both have enormous respect for the institution of the monarchy and this country, and want their family to have an outward looking approach,' the source said.

This is a strange statement. I wonder if the gloves are truly off.

Their hands have certainly been 'outward looking' (in other people's pockets).

R66 Duke of Clarence. With a title like that he would have to have been a bit odd. But it was all a nasty unsubstantiated rumour apparently.

R470 No, I don’t think she was being paid to show those plates. She & Harry had their wedding list at Soho House.

R475 Complete agree with your whole post.

I think they know they're going to get rushed 'off the stage' in the UK. This is the right thing to do.

But, instead of taking it for what it is and being graceful about it, playing the hand they're dealt, as all royals should do, MM wants to 'hit the ground running'...

Bottom line: MM wants attention, knows she's getting older, is getting frozen out, and is trying to save face (she must go elsewhere to get attention - not the UK), by putting down the BRF.

Also, Harry has turned out to be pussywhipped. Can't respect that, sorry.

R478, yeah, that’s weird language. Also the constant “HRH” with them. I’m not an expert, but do the Cambridges also refer to themselves that way?

Esp when it does not suit them, R7, because you are selling access to Gayle King and People magazine.

R288 Halle Berry almost certainly used donor eggs.

How anyone can say they're not publicity whores is beyond comprehension. Saying you want privacy but yet inviting one of the biggest media entities to your official baby viewing. And that media representative happens to be BBF with mega media presence Oprah, whom you're working with on a tv special. How the actual fuck does BP let them get away with this fuckery is question of the day.

What I wouldn't give to hear what Will is saying behind closed doors. Fan fiction time!

Kate: Darling, what's the matter?

William: Phhhft. Just dreading tomorrow. Did you know she's invited the American TV network? Oprah or something.

K: Goodness.

W: She wants the attention.

K: It's awkward.

W: I know.

Glad I've got you all to agree that all the Royals endorse and merch. Kate has been at it for much longer than MM. Better a yoga studio than a 5* private Maldives island leased to Cheval Blanc by a totalitarian regime. Huge article in the Fail all about their vacation there.

I already explained on the previous thread that I was a fan of her work in Suits. I admire the way she's shaking up the stuffy royals. I'm British but I've always voted Labour and I don't like the leechy Queen and her tribe.

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Comment on article at R489

[quote] Thomas Trevor Markus in honor of the men Meghan used to get her where she is today.

R485, for her son, sure, definitely a donor egg!

You think for her daughter as well?

Having said that, the little girl really looks like the dad, Gabriel!

Why do all the newspapers insist on showing Smughan in her Nurse Ratched hat and reminiscent of slavery chain print dress so tight over her pretentious cushion? see R489

Why are these pictures used so frequently?

R475, article about Kate and Wills at Cheval Blanc Randahli in the Maldives. Did MM and H even have a honeymoon? Surely these merching maniacs must have picked out somewhere uber luxurious?

Maldives merching. These holidays cost about £30k a week.

R488 Don't worry, we all get who you are. You're the annoying Megastan who pretends they are British and doesn't really like the Monarchy. You look up how to spell British words like "labour" and keep bashing Kate and William. If you really were a republican you wouldn't give a toss about anything to do with the Royal family, let alone come on a forum talking about Kate "merching" a holiday in the Maldives.

Link doesn't work.

Also you'll note I (R475) literally said in my post that I don't think ANY of the royals do direct (i.e. for cash) merching. I have never said that. If the article in question actually shows brand endorsement as I outline in my post (and MM's direct linking from official SM definitely fits this definition) I'll concede, but even without a working link Hello is famous for 'stories' they basically spin out of air and often supplement with a bunch of unrelated photos.

You can't reason with crazy.

R494 You really are unhinged! What's with your Maldives obsession? did you want to go and no one would take you because you live in a basement and wear an old worn juicy couture tracksuit with juicy written across your fat arse?

I said it before, and I'll say it again: the MM fanatics make more people dislike Meghan every day.

[quote] Why do all the newspapers insist on showing Smughan in her Nurse Ratched hat and reminiscent of slavery chain print dress so tight over her pretentious cushion? see [R489]

Nurse Ratched hat? She's wearing an Alka Seltzer.

The Maldives look beautiful. It's still cool and rainy where I'm from. Sigh.

Well, R494, here we go. Case in point. This is NOT merching. This is the definition of not-merching. There is a difference between:

1. Directly linking/endorsing a business, resort, service provider etc. on social media or mentioning them in public or being deliberately seen to be photographed next to brand logos etc.

2. A media report that a royal person has worn a brand/stayed at a resort/eaten a particular variety of chocolate bar.

Your eonline link is doing exactly what I said - using unrelated photos. Not a single one of those photos is actually of Kate and William at the resort in the Maldives. They were taken on the official tour to the Solomon Islands in 2012. At no point have William or Kate been seen or heard to endorse the resort where they stayed. You best believe I'd be calling them out if they'd posted a link on their IG, too.

You are free to be a Meghan Markle fan. I, too, have voted Labour all my life and am not a royal stan (although I respect HM). But you need to stop accusing people of being trolls, of admitting things they haven't, of beings fans of everyone you're pitting MM against (girl, nobody stans Eugenie).

R502 Thank you! great post

Nobody buys this ridiculous notion that Kate merches, good grief. Meghan on the other hand could not be more transparent in her rabid grift. The irony is Meghan trolls seem under the illusion if they are loud and obnoxious enough it changes people's minds. Rather, more and more are acquiring a noticeable distaste for the greedy famewhoring duchess.

[R-330] . I'm not sure what you are referring to by "red-lining"; in the US it's a term used to describe lenders reluctance to lend for mortgages in impoverished areas. If you are British, you may not be aware that schools and local services are a function of the municipality (not the state or the federal government) and those services are funded by local property taxes. So, for instance, if you live in Scarsdale, NY, a wealthy community, the property taxes are very high, but the school system is well-funded and regarded as an excellent high-school. A high school in the town of Port Chester, maybe 20 miles away, is nowhere as well-regarded. In LA, for instance, which is a collection of small municipalities, the schools in Manhattan Beach and Beverly Hills are considered some of the best schools, so people have tried, if they can't afford to live in Beverly Hills or Manhattan Beach, they sometimes create a fake address in those areas to get their children into the better school districts. Poverty in the US is not limited to black areas, there are many many impoverished "white" areas which are underfunded and provide little or no services. In general, each state and municipality provides services based upon their property tax revenues, and, public services can be severely underfunded and unavailable when the area is poor. This includes firefighters and ambulance services (who are volunteers in some communities). The causation of under-funded schools and services is multi-faceted.

Now for some light entertainment to watch instead of listening to the MM crazed fans who have infested the board. I was never a fan of Camilla to start with but over time I really like her and think she is good for Charles, they seem happy together. Bonus points for the fact she can see right through MM

Thank you for the video, R506.

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I always love that coy language the British tabloids employ: “the Daily Mail can reveal…” It always implies something shady about the information or how it was obtained.

R508 When have either of those people presented themselves as anything-of-the-year?

Not like their cunt daughter/sister who actively lies to further her own invented image of “humanitarian/activist/feminist”.

Quite why you would take such delight in the bullying of people who don’t have access to BRF funds in order to defend themselves, I don’t know. Maybe you’re as big an arsehole as your idol Minger Markle.

[30] , I was tutored by a guy who had classes with William at Eton. He said he was really quiet. Like he never saw him raise his hand to ask questions or start a conversation with anyone. I can’t imagine how much it would suck to be that shy with everyone in school knowing every embarrassing detail about your family. Maybe he developed a social anxiety because of that...

R508... man... you're seriously cold. Kicking people when they're down. They have no money or power.

[quote] Although Ashleigh does not have much of a relationship with her mother Samantha Markle, she was once close to Meghan and often appeared on the former actress' social media pages.

[quote] One Instagram photo dating from April 2016 shows the pair together in Washington DC and is accompanied by the caption: 'Oh how I love my @ashleighkhale. Always here for you, you beautiful, special and deserving woman. #familyfirst #DC.'

[quote] But like the rest of the family, Ashleigh too was left off the guest list at the royal wedding and it's unclear whether she will meet her new baby cousin.

Meghan carries the Markle estrangement gene.

What crazy-arse stories did MM feed Harry and the BRF, to make these estrangements (that Meghan is a victim of, not the perpetrator) seem plausible? She must be very persuasive.

The 'family she never had' seemed like a hostile, unnecessary gibe against MM's family of origin (excepting Doria)... why the public brush off?

MM better watch out - things like this have a way of coming back around on you.

R511 I'm a couple of years older than William and I really remember that period in his mid-late teens when he became am official heart-throb. So much footage of him at public events just dying of embarrassment, red-faced and cringing as teenage girls screamed his name and lost their shit. I always felt really sorry for him at those times. Second hand embarrassment just watching it on TV - I wonder if there's any of that footage on Youtube?

R513 - Is that from the Mail? Juicy af. That's specifically NOT a relative she was estranged from or hadn't seen in years. Someone she was posting photos of on her social media in 2016 with the familyfirst hashtag and then not inviting her to the wedding? Professing love and that she's "always be there?"

That poster who wondered why some here don't like MM? This is why. What kind of person does that to a family member? One they have a good relationship/no beef with? There's no excuse for that that doesn't involve just being a garbage human being.

As for why the RF didn't kick up a bigger stink over it, I don't think they could. I think Harry was going to marry this woman no matter what and they probably saw that pushback would just have the opposite effect (i.e. making him even more determined). Some interesting stories out just in the past 24 hours. I do think something will have to be done. It just remains to be seen how visible it is to the public.

That "family she never had" remark is one of the most telling comments there has been on their relationship. Harry made it innocently, which is why it's so juicy. You can see the narrative she sold him - poor victim Meghan with the mean family who are awful to her. She needs saving! She needs a handsome prince to save her! All the better that his whole psychodrama has been built upon specifically not being able to save another woman in his life. This is where I *almost* admire Markle. Girl knew exactly what buttons to push and dimbulb loved every minute of it.

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Just spent 10 mins going through her IG and could not locate the nefarious yoga studio endorsement you are all squawking about.

Utterly ludicrous to deny the 2014 trip to Cheval Blanc Randheli, when all the papers reported on it, including naming airlines and flight times. It was only a few weeks after Kate had holidayed in Mustique.

Meghan and Harry don't seem to holiday so conspicuously.

'She needs saving! She needs a handsome prince to save her! '

Nope. She had a successful career and plenty of free time (and no hate) in sunny LA. She married Harry despite, despite, despite, not because, because, because. Probably with many reservations.

Yes, R519 - that baby shower week in New York was totally low key!

R519 It's so sad that you spent 10 mins looking for a yoga class on their instagram, are you a bit slow? It's the third instagram on their feed posted on 1 May about Mental Health Awareness. Click on it and you'll find the Class By Taryn Toomey, expensive yoga classes for rich celebrities and UES rich Frauen. Now while you are there clicking maybe you can find something to help you with your mental disorder that will keep you off here for awhile.

"Probably with many reservations."

You've got to be a troll. No one can be this gullible.

Wait...

Harry??

R520 She had a career in less than sunny Toronto. The LA years were a bit hit and miss. Still, seven years isn’t a bad innings. Better than some, worse than others, but that’s life in showwbiz!

R520 Honey the only reservations that climber had with regards to Harry pertained to reservations of the ritzy hotel variety.

Parts of this thread are a certifiable mess. R329, the Asian American kids are being discriminated against in favor of White kids not Black/Latino, but it is convenient for people to try and pit these groups against each other in favor of ignoring the elephant in the room.

As usual when someone mentions the historic, verifiable reasons for poverty among certain groups, there is the Well, actually response

And those that go on and on about how Meghan Markle tried to deny her black side, how is that exactly when her mom always seemed to be front and center in her life? Her character on Suits had a black dad that was prominently featured. Her DNA makes her biracial. It doesn't matter if she straightens her hair or joined a 'white' sorority or had white boyfriends/husband. People seem to think because they didn't know or couldn't tell she had black ancestry that is somehow on her. There seems to be a narrow box some here think she should have to fit into as a biracial person in terms of how she expresses herself.

Perhaps the negative reaction is more about class with some than race, but it seems really over the top, with the assigning of personality traits and motives to a person who is a virtual stranger. I mean there is gossip and then there is whatever it is that Skippy and Co does with their theories about' evidence' being collected. Eventually, they will have to accept no one is gathering 'evidence.'

I guess it all begins again tomorrow when the child's name is announced.

R525, and yet they have taken NO expensive holidays! How bizarre.

The nefarious IG is just one tiny square in a bigger post with no name on it! Ha ha ha! The desperate old women on here are reaching so hard they've dislocated their shoulders. One tiny square! The fear and loathing truly is out of control.

Great post, R526!

Prepare to be told you have 'no place' on a thread called British Royal Family gossip, which should be renamed Meghan Markle Hate Club. If you don't call her a narc, these tragic crones don't want you here.

"Shaking up the BRF?" Oh do shut the fuck up. Tacky, classless, attention-whoring isn't shaking anything up. She is the equivalent of trailer trash people who win the lottery and turn around to add a cellar in their home where they can keep their Pabst Blue Ribbon. She's the dumb hick who grabs the reporter's microphone to tell of how she "saw the whole thing!" She is grifter trash and Harry appears to have lost what little brain he had somewhere inside her vagina. Public emasculation isn't a good look for the prince.

Oh and her stint on Suits? Was this a comedy show? Someone linked a "love" scene where Markle's character (don't know the name, don't care) is having sex at work with a random guy. The entire time, Markle's mouth is hanging open like a fish gasping for air. Not in the least bit sexy.

R502 Hey!

When will the baby Jesus be presented to the peasants?

Surely she was merching her ass off our Megs . Clothes either too small or too big and even a price tag that was bungling at her knees . She only wears foreign brands not British . As a royal she has to wear British designers but that doesn’t apply for our Megs isn’t it ?

And all this privacy shit ! She is the biggest camera obsessed royal I ever saw . And now suddenly she is shy of them ? All this to make everyone eager to meet the second coming and wipp up international attention . The boy will be eight in line to the throne but Sparkle tries to sell it as If he is the future king .

I read the Skippy manifest that I saw here . There are some points she is right about .

R30 I've met Prince Edward, he was a patron of a former employer. He's nice and personable and didn't obviously vibe as gay, just British.

Let's change the engagement scenario to a hypothetical one, going back over a year:

Harry has asked Meghan to marry him. She accepts his proposal. A few weeks later, however, he comes back to report to her that his family simply will not accept the marriage for reasons X, Y, and Z. The Queen withholds her permission to marry. Harry then tells Meghan that he loves her regardless, and by marrying her he will have to leave public life as part of the BRF, and therefore will also renounce his title and place in the line of succession. He will now be a private citizen just like ordinary Charlie Jones, although he still retains his multi-million dollar inheritance.

What is Meghan Markle's response?

NO R537 ! She wants the status and the money and without his royal title he is just a balding guy who will be fat in a couple of years .

R535 Come on, don't make it sound like that was your first time reading Skippy, Svetlana.

R537 Well, she has a choice. Slink off back to obscurity and watch Harry marry someone else or be the woman he “loved sooooo much” he gave up everything for.

She’d go for the latter, without question.

Does she seriously believe that she can engineer a life where her, Dim and their tadpole are more important than actual senior royals? What a sad pathetic woman.

Someone tell this Markle broad that this isn't an album she's dropping. It's a fucking kid. Drop the manufactured anticipation. What's next a Hindenburg replica with a fucking timer?

Only instead of the clock hands, it would be Markles giant head rotating in time with the ticking.

r20 A family friend of mine met Princess Anne when she came to open a new Fire Brigade headquarters and said she was very down to earth, easy to talk to and had clearly done her research on all relevant information concerning the local fire brigade history etc. He was very impressed!

The Telegraph this morning, raises some points worth considering. This woman's constant message is essentially I am much bigger than the United Kingdom. (And if my dim husband understands that he's too pussy whipped to do anything about it.) It will be her downfall in the end because, lady, the United Kingdom is paying your bills.

"Some have questioned why, as ambassadors for the Commonwealth, Harry and Meghan appear so preoccupied with US outlets that they have taken this unprecedented step - when the palace press operation is funded by British, not American taxpayers."

"If Harry and Meghan want total privacy, they may be better off relinquishing their royal titles and moving abroad for a quieter life"

"The Sussexes’ new communications chief Sara Latham later explained there had been a “colossal tech failure’’ which meant an email informing the press did not reach most inboxes until an hour after it was sent at 1pm - to catch the all-important US morning news shows."

This won't end well.

It's not even going well. It didn't even start well. This woman is the best thing that ever happened to Wallis Simpson.

Agree with R517. Her courtship and capture of Harry took skill, and nerves of steel. Imagine, against all odds you’ve got this astounding prize (I’m not talking him, but marriage into the fucking BRF) on the hook, yet you possess all these unsuitable qualities, plus you’re at a distance and have to worry about meddlers and groupies. At any moment he could slip away. She rightly deserves enormous kudos for pulling it off. I’d sure love to know all the details.

R545 Very interesting. Especially as it’s in The Telegraph and written by Camilla Tominey - the woman who broke the news they were dating & has always been a bit of a Markle fan girl.

The tides are turning, I think.

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R545 That Telegraph article isn't about British taxpayers, even thought is says that. It's arguing about the British media getting an exclusive. I wonder if they would have been ok with only the BBC getting access since it's the only media outlet funded by British taxpayers? I highly doubt that. It's disingenuous of the British press to present their financial interest as if were the democratic interest of the British public.

The Sussexes made a dog's breakfast of the baby announcement. It was a shit show. But the British press have had their panties in a bunch over money (commercial rights and ad revenue), not representation.

correction "even though it say that it is."

R551 Everyone was totally fine at having one, randomly selected, British camera crew there from Sky.

So, yet again, your assertions are are baseless. Stop trying to pretend you understand how the media works in the UK.

R548 I'm working on a new tome; perhaps it will only be a pamphlet. Let's see how long she lasts.

I don't think Americans understand that when the press turns against someone, it's not going to be a TMZ style job.

So, a randomly selected British crew, journalist and photographer were going to be there. No one complained. All fine

Then Markle and her gimp decide they want “close personal friend that they’ve known less than a year” Gayle King from CBS there too.

BP tells them no but they insist. They also set all the timings to coincide with American TV news.

What about “We want to be private so only one crew please”?

And R551;- the clueless, frustrated media commentator claims it’s all about ad revenue! No. It’s all about hypocrisy & getting the tax payer to pick up all your bills while treating them as an irrelevance in your climb to worldwide stardom.

Since it’s behind a paywall, can anyone provide the takeaway from that Telegraph article?

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I don't think many Americans have a clue how relentless the British press can be once they turn against a person.

While everyone respects the royal couple’s right to privacy, was it really necessary to be so cloak and dagger about whether the baby was born at home or in hospital when the information is going to be made public on the birth certificate anyway?

It wasn’t as if royal reporters and photographers had planned to scale the walls of the Portland (or wherever they had the baby - we still don’t know) or start interrogating hard-working medical staff. There’s a law against that and a body known as the Independent Press Standards Organisation which has helped to ensure that in the post-Leveson era, royal privacy has never been more respected.

Harry has long had a complicated relationship with the press - but if the prince is worried about the media printing ‘lies’ about him, why not give them the truth to report rather than unconfirmed 'rumours'?

It is impossible to accurately report on any story without the basic questions of who, when, what, why, how … and where answered.

No wonder Mr Witchell was left speechless - in the absence of adequate guidance, this hugely respected journalistic veteran was reduced to speculating on false hypotheticals, live on air.

Moreover - a royal birth of this magnitude, involving two of The Firm’s most high profile and popular figures, was never going to be a “private” event. Royals aren’t private individuals - they’re part-subsidised by the taxpayer - therefore it is not just interesting to the public to find out what they’re up to - but legitimately in the public interest.

I think for many Americans they just aren’t used to the polite snark of the British press and take at face value the backhanded compliments so when the gloves come off they’re shocked.

This is all so, so tacky. Why couldn't they just do the hospital, the 2 minutes on the steps, and then the REAL privacy for months on end, like all the others have?

They don't want privacy. They want drama and all the attention drama gets them. They're already using the baby to promote their pathetic "brand". It's gross.

Ignore R560. Trying to c/p article. That’s only part. Hang on.

Part 1

Nicholas Witchell’s uncharacteristically stumbling performance while reporting the arrival of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s baby is rightly prompting much head scratching about the wisdom of trying to shroud the royal birth in secrecy.

Known as the ‘safest pair of hands’ at the BBC, many have been left wondering how Britain’s most experienced royal correspondent could have been left so lost for words during Monday night’s News at Ten that he was forced to bring his broadcast to an abrupt end.

BBC colleagues rightly rallied around veteran newscaster, 65, who has been reporting on the royal family since 1998. News at Ten presenter Huw Edwards said: "For the record. Nick Witchell’s supreme professionalism is — and always has been — the envy of all his colleagues." BBC Middle East Editor Jeremy Bowen said: "I've seen some snide comments about Nick Witchell. Please stop, they're not deserved. He's a respected and experienced broadcaster, doing his job. I don't know what happened tonight but it's certainly no reason to be nasty."

It's overcast and pissing it down today. The weather accurately reflecting the Country's mood towards this pair methinks.

Part 2

It certainly cannot have helped that only hours earlier both the BBC and ITV were blindsided by Prince Harry’s endearingly impromptu press conference announcing the “amazing” news that Meghan had given birth to "a very healthy" boy. Although Sky News, which was randomly selected as the pool broadcaster, distributed the footage as soon as it went to air, it was seven minutes before the Beeb got wind of it, while the email delay meant ITV could not get it the labour announcement on its  1.45pm lunchtime bulletin.

Coming less than 45 minutes after Buckingham Palace had announced that the duchess had gone into labour in the early hours of Bank Holiday Monday, the Harry interview took most of the media by surprise.

The Sussexes’ new communications chief Sara Latham later explained there had been a “colossal tech failure’’ which meant an email informing the press did not reach most inboxes until an hour after it was sent at 1pm - to catch the all-important US morning news shows.

“We sent emails which showed as sent at 1327, 1349, 1403,” she later insisted.

R559 that was surely true in the past, but has woke culture infected media, making them more “kind” perhaps?

Reading suggestions that the photo call may be inside Windsor Castle. It’s going to be very GRAND!

There weren't any whoopsies. Everything is going according to Sparkles plan. She is milking this cow dry.

Thanks R563

Part 3

Yet despite the computer glitch - both the press and the public were left wondering: If the duchess had the baby at 5.26am, why keep the world waiting for more than eight hours? And why announce that the duchess had gone into labour after she had already given birth?

It later transpired that Harry had planned to personally announce the birth all along, provided there were no unforeseen complications. If that was the case - why not give the media the head’s up in advance, especially when they had spent days waiting in Windsor for the pitter patter of tiny royal feet?

While the palaver smacks more of cock-up than conspiracy, Mr Witchell’s meltdown suggests that the palace does not always practise what it preaches on mental health, at least when it comes to journalists.

While everyone respects the royal couple’s right to privacy, was it really necessary to be so cloak and dagger about whether the baby was born at home or in hospital when the information is going to be made public on the birth certificate anyway?

She looks like shit... fat and smug and a usual badly dressed.

Thanks very much for that, r570

I’m confused about the insistence of including the US network. I thought they were allowing one reporter, one photographer, one camera to the photo call who would then distribute to other networks, etc. are they adding the US network with Gayle in addition to that? Or are they using the US people as the individuals allowed in those roles?

Her ass is gone. She's ruined! Ruined!

Ok, predictions. What will she wear? I can’t quite imagine, other than it will be expensive.

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t wasn’t as if royal reporters and photographers had planned to scale the walls of the Portland (or wherever they had the baby - we still don’t know) or start interrogating hard-working medical staff. There’s a law against that and a body known as the Independent Press Standards Organisation which has helped to ensure that in the post-Leveson era, royal privacy has never been more respected.

Harry has long had a complicated relationship with the press - but if the prince is worried about the media printing ‘lies’ about him, why not give them the truth to report rather than unconfirmed 'rumours'?

It is impossible to accurately report on any story without the basic questions of who, when, what, why, how … and where answered.

No wonder Mr Witchell was left speechless - in the absence of adequate guidance, this hugely respected journalistic veteran was reduced to speculating on false hypotheticals, live on air.

Moreover - a royal birth of this magnitude, involving two of The Firm’s most high profile and popular figures, was never going to be a “private” event. Royals aren’t private individuals - they’re part-subsidised by the taxpayer - therefore it is not just interesting to the public to find out what they’re up to - but legitimately in the public interest.

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R553 I don't have expertise in many things but I actually do know how the press work in the UK. You don't have to believe me though. I'm a random poster on the internet.

$20 says she asked the Queen for just one photo for Insta.

I don't buy for one second the child was born in Portland, they have legitimate staff that would be able to authenticate the birth. Why did not a single person want to sign it.

Lying cunt and her cuckboy need to be kicked back to LA without taxpayer checkbooks

Interesting how she barely touches the baby.

[quote] cuckboy

We're using cuckboy as an insult on DL?

I don’t believe that either R579 . I think they are just at Frogcottage now the baby has born and wisk off to the Cotswolds after that .

Hope she doesn't accidentally unlatch the kid's diaper to reveal the prize inside ala Deal or No Deal.

Also interesting that they are so woke and might turn down a title and want their kid to be normal, etc etc. but the backdrop for first photos needs to be inside a castle instead of steps of a hospital. Logically.

She's so puffed up, yikes, stupid bitch should have done the press call the day of the birth as because she wouldn't have been as puffed up. The puffy face is worse on day 3

She looks shaky as shit. Her whole face is post partum. Oh dear.

So when is she showing of FrogBaby ?

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She does not look happy at all. Not one smile reached her eyes.

Baby looks cute.

I see they are making sure the cameras don't get a decent photo so they have either sold the rights to the proper photos or they will show him off on instagram

Here is Sky News Live YT link

She is literally petting both Harry and the baby.

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Babies tend to look cute. All of them.

She was more interested in her hair than in the heir, me thinks.

Yep-tinhatters are already pronouncing the baby looks older than two days. The rumors will dog this kid the rest of his life. Stupid, stupid Harry. And Meghan looks like shit.

Well, she got a fancier photo than Kate.

The baby does looks older than two days, however, that is probably due to what he is wrapped up in. Babies usually lose wait the first few days.

Kate has the heir and money, I doubt shes overly bothered.

She couldn't get rid of her moonbump, could she? LOL

Look like a blowfish now.

She looks like shit. She nearly yanked Harry's arm off.

For fuck's sake. People are saying the baby is one of those living dolls. Officially insane.

She's such a disaster. You could see the dollar signs in her eyes as she giggled, barely touching the kid. And when they left she had a dominant pose on Harry the entire time they walked away, keeping her arm around his waist as if Harry was a girl. This really won't end well at all.

R600 What do you expect?

Harry says the baby has changed so much over the last two weeks - it's as if they are doing it on purpose

Amy Schumer's baby was born on the same day, yet compare pictures of those two....yeah

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Its indoors at Windsor Castle and yet he is wearing a knitted hat . Maybe we are not allowed to see his hair .

R527 does bring up an interesting question. Why haven’t they taken any expensive vacations?

Is there a Part 51 yet?

Is it normal to still be so big at your belly ? I didn’t when I deliverd a baby .

Maybe there hiding another one in her belly 😂

R606 Svetlana, most newborns wear knit hats in their first few weeks and it's pissing rain and chilly in Windsor today. There's so much more to be catty about.

NBC did the whole "SPECIAL REPORT" break-in with the urgent style background music to announce/show the photo op. Ain't that some shit?! LMAO. This is ridiculous......

It all went down in a gallery at Windsor Castle, unfortunately. I was hoping for a glimpse of the interior to Frog Cott, damn it!

Oh well trust me they need all that money to pay for Sunshine Sachs and all the good PR they provide .

When it would be outside yes but inside no R606 .

Sarah is busy earning her taxpayers money 😂 .

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Fucking hell! You have to give it to Markle... They take that long, long walk on the red carpet into what is basically the best ever set from 'The Crown'. MeAgain has been primped to within an inch of her life and garbed in pure virgin white. They've even ironed Harry's suit. She coyly gurns for the cameras and remembers to 'drop the hip', like she was at an LA premiere whilst oh so casually managing to drop in an "Oh we just bumped into Prince Phillip" reference. But of course, they press still call Haz and Me Againi' guys' because- you know- they're SO modern!

After much much prompting from the slavering, hungry pack of journos they do eventually pull the Holy Cloth aside from the face of The Chosen One to reveal the answer to what the press really want to know......'What Colour Is It?'

Yes, R452.

Wonder if she gets a steep discount since they use her to cross promo so many other clients? If not, I am still stymied as to WHO is paying the private PR bill?

It is more and more clear that he should have had to withdraw as a working royal to marry this person. The amount of negative drama she has created in less than a year is just crazy.