Yuzuru Hanyu and other figure skating talk part 30

Link to previous thread.

This is the link to thread 29

At R600 from the previous thread: I wasn't pleased.

Aww I think the little baby Yuzu's are cute, with or without pants.

I think he wanted adult Yuzu without the pants.

R3 It's going to have to be an old one since no new ass pics are surfacing lately. Is this better?

You guys are on the wrong track. I think this is what r3 had in mind. Hope you're happy now r3.

R7 You went there, you really went there.

R6 I've actually never seen this one before. I love it, thank you. R7 that's definitely not a good angle.

R7 Evil.

Rion Sumiyoshi skating to The Young Girls of Rochefort for FS.

Ge says we lack the intellect to grasp the depth of Med's Ariana Grande ex.

First on Twitter: [quote] "You need to read a lyrics of the song, watch it musical video, understand an American culture, then you might get what is the program about."

Then on IG (with ironic Britishism):

How'd Orser lose his huge belly in a short amount of time? Lap band surgery? Diet shakes? Well he looks much healthier now. I hope his abdominal issues (kidney?) have resolved. As a former top athlete, he should know to take better care of himself.

R6 nice comparison pics. We now have clear photographic evidence that Hanyu's 🍑 is easily twice the size of Asada's. It's a wonder how the guy finds non-stretchy pants that'll him nicely.

fit* him nicely

R10 Jesus Christ. He gets even more unlikable with every tweet.

R60 Jesus, that ass. I want to do things to it that the doctor says will give me a bacterial infection. I might risk it though if Hanyu ever offers.

R10 oh dear. I saw that and thought he was talking about something else. But Ariana Grande? So full of self-regard.

R10 Not that we ever doubted it, but Misha Ge is indeed one insufferable twat.

R10, aren’t at least 50% of Med’s ex program starts with her sitting on a chair, holding some props, wearing a bathrob/coat/jacket which she will stripoff midway through the program? What’s so deep about this pink latex program from her other ones?

R17 As Misha said, to get it you need to watch the video and then understand an American culture. He didn't say which one though... You need to be more clear Misha! How are we going to reach enlightenment otherwise???!

R17 It's completely unlike the others. She has a ponytail.

I thought women were supposed to have bigger butts in proportion to their size. How come the men all seem to be better endowed in figure skating? Is it the quads? Do quads require more glute muscles?

And Orser's missing belly has been spotted in Ghislain:

R20 Seiously?Because their weight is higher? Because they have more muscles, bigger hips. Yuzuru's ass is not that big. It is much smaller. Here Asada butt is bigger as well. No way she has such ass

I wouldn't consider Hanyu's ass big per se either. Not in a way that'll make people point and say, "wow now that ass is hee-yooj". But it certainly is a good size. Just the right one, in fact. Big enough for people to ogle and leer at but not so big that it becomes a joke that defines his physical appearance.

Did I say ogle and leer? I meant appreciate. You know, like how one would an exceptionally and exquisitely sculpted piece of art.

Who is this girl ?? She looks good. If she is Nathan's gf, then he has good taste in girls. I thought his type was hot American blondes

She looks average to me. But I don't think Nathan is all that either.

She has nice hair.

R25 why do you think he likes blondes? He doesn't strike me as the jock type tbh

Can I remind all that I still don't speak to him and act like he doesn't exist since he dumped me ?

can we focus on my attempt to increase my passports' collections??

R29 oh that's brand news to me lol

R26 In his case, look doesn't matter much. He is Yalie, he has money and some reputation. He can play instruments, do some sports too. And very important thing, he like girls. It's more than enough for him to draw some American beauties right to him, I guess.

R28 From girls pictures he liked on IG. At least, I knew he had no interest in Asian girls.

I am interested in Japanese MILFs

Watch out Mama H!

R33 wrong window, pornhub is next tab

R34 LMAOOOOOO

R25 Boy cow, you dare gain an ounce eating that Oriental food, I send you to slaughterhouse.

R25 taste ? She looks dumb. Aerican girl can be stupid , even if she is brunette, fraus.

don't care if blonde, brunette or ginger. as long they can breath.

R38 now you hate this random girl too, daitroll? tsk tsk... not nice.

R40 I dont hate anyone. lol So I can say you hate blonde girls as well, idiot

R39 you have a kink for carbon dioxide? Fancy.

Fernandez's Flamenco on Ice will have 6 shows in Japan - three in Tokyo and three in Sendai, from May 24 to June 2. This seems to coincide with some FaOI shows.

R33 - R35 Thanks for the laugh.

Some Shoma quotes from a recent appearance (there's more in the IG link):

After a year, I found I am not so fond of alcohol and I turn red immediately after drinking...

I mastered “Knifes Out” during PyeongChang because I had a lot time doing my games there.

Some may think my ankle is still in pain and I am just pretending it’s fine but I can assure you it’s completely cured.

I tried to do quintuple but it’s very difficult. I did as much rotations as I could but it turned out only 4.5 instead of 5 rotations. It will not be my first priority to master quints. 4S, 4F and 3A-4T are more important. By doing 3A-4T, 4S and 4F became not so difficult to me.

My bath time can be very long when I do my games or watch animations in bathtub. But it will be a quick one when I need to get out ASAP to continue TV games. I sing in my bath. I sing everywhere.

Sorry, forgot the IG link!

Did Fernandez invite Miki to his Japanese shows?

R46 My gifts are best saved for after-show, in venue bathroom, while IG girlfriend pounding on door.

Maybe if Uno goes for a quint he'll finally be able to fully rotate a quad.

R48 LOL

R43 lol 3(!) shows in Sendai. The "we are just comrades, nothing more *wink*wink" is coming.

Does a quint even get you more points? I don't think ISU even consider it. So if you do a quint, you will get the points of a quad. Will someone tell this to Shoma?

Fernandez's show line up is out yet ?

R52 I think he's releasing the details on Thursday.

Fernandez, the Japanese ambassador to Spain and Antonio Najarro will hold a press conference at the Japanese embassy in Madrid on Thursday.

r44 He had lots of time to game at Olys? Just how? It seemed to me like Yuzu barely had time to breathe, training and media before competitions, media media media media between competitions and gala. Lol, yeah, gaming is your life calling if even Olympics won't stop you.

Just came across this on YouTube.

Nathan has a lot of time to fuck

Shoma has a lot of time to game

Vincent has a lot of time to write

Lol some old lovey dovey tweets between Chen and Glenn.

Or this one

Hey Amber, does Nate have a big dick?

R60 I thought it was micro, but USFSA and ISU tell me it's HUUUGE. What do I know, I guess.

r43 Those are the exact dates for Makuhari (May 24-26) and Sendai FaOI (May 31-June 2). It must be part of FaOI instead of a separate show. It would be weird if they chose to do it in Sendai instead of Kobe otherwise. Maybe they will have Spanish food and wine stands instead of sit down meals as they initially planned. But it doesn’t seem like a very good way to test out the show, relying on FaOI audiences.

R51 Kolyada thinks it’s tiny.

Finally, a new poem from Zhou! “Eight pieces of my heart I lost to you.” "Prisoners of circumstance we are."

[quote] Kolyada thinks it’s tiny.

Who cares what he thinks? He skates like a girl. (still better than fatso Aliev)

Don't worry Aliev, this fan supports you and loves your fat ass. Even though you're a disappointing splatter.

r62 I'm starting to think Zhou might be a better poet than a skater.

R62 Hand-written this time, I see. And he used a drop cap "H"....that's it, it's definitely about Hamada.

R65 You must think he's a shit skater.

Zhou & Muse. Where are Zhou's hands? hmmmm.

Cannot believe this is newest and hottest ship. Why.

r67 Duh.

R69 and as such, it needs a ship name. Zhoumada? Hamazhou? Mince?

Am I losing my eyesight? In that picture I thought he looked better than Nathan. Ugh.

R72 Are you talking about Zhou?

"Two sines entangled in the flow of the sea"? I'm a native English speaker and I don't understand...

And he so painstakingly wrote it out on ruled paper. I definitely wrote some cringey stuff as a teenager, but I would NEVER EVER have posted it in public for all the world to see. Shudder.

R73 yes and I'm sorry.

R74 that's a good point. But then again...he genuinely thinks his poetry is good. Like his skating. Haha. I mean if you're gonna upload it online why bother handwriting and then taking a picture? Does he think his penmanship is also remarkable? Who am I kidding, of course he does.

Cringy teenagers do stupid stuff. I totally uploaded entries in my "online diary" when it was all the rage back in the day. Now I look back in horror and wonder how on earth I had the courage to do such a thing. But like, everyone was doing it, from teenagers to thirty-something year olds, so maybe it was just a different time.

R74 When you graph sines and cosines, they look like waves - I think that's what he's trying to reference.

Someone caught Misha Ge's appearance at the Ice Theatre in NY recently. I think he's skating to Zhou's poetry.

I want to rip that flailing cardigan off.

I'm not joking here - he's introduced as "Olympian Ice Artist and Renowned Choreographer, MIsha Ge"

That sounds like something Ge would have explicitly written down himself to request that he be announced that way.

He's VERY upset they forgot to say "Coach/Choreographer"!!

I'd like to see an "artist" with sophisticated musical tastes that don't revolve around whiny white guys and basic pop music. But real artists usually don't bestow that title upon themselves.

R79 who else could've come up with that? Only GEnius.

R77 Please, not in front of the children.

To be fair, his skating can be quite nice - but he ruins it by choreographing into the skating the melodrama and pretension that are central to his personality. It's a shame, really.

R83 lol. I actually liked his Frankenjesus costume and program at Pyeongchang. It suited his melodrama well.

This reminds me of someone who said they were on a plane with Yuzu and his mother - and he talked almost non-stop, while she occasionally nodded.

“...if I’m not convinced about something, I don’t feel good and I have to keep talking about it to my mother until I am convinced in some way. Sometimes, I talk about a particular thing for a long time, so it must be tiresome for her to have to listen to me. But because we are family, I can say what I honestly want to say...”

Mama H, when I read these accounts of your existence, I weep for the still smoldering embers in your maiden cave, cruelly suppressed in their nubile infancy by the ambitions of others. Please know this - there are those who see you and understand your needs, and await patiently at bus stop #244 on the corner of Yonge and Wilson, every Friday, with carnations and a box of tea, for the opportunity to service your every carnal desire. Dismiss me not as just a wayward knave! Each day I wait without a sign from you is a little death. Your delicate white hands hold in them the power to still my throbbing heart. Do not let me go gentle into the good night, dear sweet lady!

R86 There you are! I was looking for you.

r86 ewww, just ewww

Korean ice show IceFantasia love in (Jason, Med, Scott/Tessa, Peng/Jin, Boyang, Kaetlyn, Elladj, Rika, Jun)

R86 This is legit better poetry than Zhou and 100X more entertaining. Plz continue.

I'm disappointed in Nathan and Vincent. I had hoped their "bromance" was real.

(R86) Bhincent you MILF lovers! I will hunt you down and kill you with my death glare and psychological weapon Pooh! And I shall take your bronze medal and give it to the rightfull owner... my son, Shoma.

R91 Nathan got hot in only a few years. Interesting.

R93 Hot? I wouldn't go that far.

He's handsome. Nice eyebrows and hair.

hair swap

R96 wtf this is confusing my brain

Wait, just realized they swapped the whole forehead+hair, that's why it looks so weird to me lmao

For those who think Nathan is hot... can’t argue with personal opinion. But his popularity will never reach the anime proportions of Hanyu and his oddly quirky and Poohish personality. When Hanyu retires, FS will go back to an abyss in the US, much like now. This DL site will likely slow down and die out like the other generic skating site. I challenge you to create a nathan Chen link and see how many pages it will go.

Nathan is talented to be sure, but will never be a Hanyu.

On a light note... mama Hanyu seems to have options.

Nathan needs a weakness to be more interesting, like crying, if a team mate tells him that he will soon end his career. He's too normal, just like his costumes and programs.

R100 He's a lying whore. Is that interesting enough?

Ah, I see now why Zhou and Ge are so well talked about! Their weakness for fame makes them interesting!

R102 true though.

Nathan, first you need a good backstory. And epic challenges along the way (Yale doesn't count). A mascot helps. And a rival with pretty eyelashes who can't keep his hands off you.

should I slash him? I am bored right now

Nathan is homely. Those of you who think he's hot must really be into homely men.

will nathan ever inspire something like this, i think not, there something peculiar and sensual about hanyu

Forget this will-he-or-won't-he Yuzu/FaoI nonsense, the burning question about whether Sergei Voronov will skate next season has been answered: YES!

"he already said in another interview done for Match.TV earlier, he's preparing for the new season"

And this wonderful lady has done another interview with Sergei where he, in Yuzu style, answers the questions we all want to know: tea or coffee? cats or dogs? home-cooking or restaurants? spend or save? sea or mountains?

And if you scroll down, poor Kolyada has a problem with every single one of these same questions lol!

My answer is gaming. To all of them

[109] lol , adorable... but i want to see sexy Kolyada

Is the first grown-up on the left the new hottie coach at Sambo? Dave Lease implied that Eteri may be swapping out Danny G for this guy, though maybe it was a joke - likening it to the way she swaps out her skaters.

I don't understand how you can find Kolyada sexy between his boring personality and those corny Elvis and Chaplin programs. And he has no lips.

I think Nathan's face is quite pleasant to look at. And I'm a fan of his hair <3. Hoping he will keep this hair for next seasons.

r114 to each his own

R114 I think it's the hair that does it. R113 true, no-lip Kolyada is not sexy but I think he's a sweet and sensitive boy.

Why aren't you guys talking about the biggest news of the off-season: Mirai and Assley are skipping the grand prix series.

It's not Kolyada's face or personality that makes him a pet obsession with this thread.

R112 Sergei Rozanov - trains the younger kids and is a cutie. Unfortunately for us, he prefers swim trunks, so no ig bulge selfies

Daniil in Miami. Rozanov is a little bit hotter, but he isn't narcissistic enough. He needs to post more often and with fewer layers of clothing.

I think Hanyu's face is quite pleasant.

Nathan has only one (1) chin. Yuzuru has two. Yuzuru wins.

He is gorgeous.

pff not thanx i prefer Kolyada

R121 LOOOOOOOOOOL

A discussion of Yuzuru's face.

R125 He looks like a girl. Maybe you are into women?

R126 you always come through with the hottest takes huh

r126 daitroll is back

I am not back i am here every day, moron

still prefer this, ok no more pics of no-lip Kolyada i promise

I was kinda surprised at ISU's top 15 male skaters, but I think they consider three years or something. Anyway if I had to rank them in order of looks, best being #1, it would be:

1 Hanyu 2 Uno 3 Cha 4 Voronov 5 Brezina 6 Kolyada 7 Chen 8 Kvitelashvili 9 Boyang 10 Rizzo 11 Zhou 12 Brown 13 Messing 14 Vasiljevs 15 Samarin

The last five were very hard for me to put in order. I probably should have Rizzo higher but there's something too nerdy about him for my taste.

R131 I would note the Datalounge Fans Favs Top 3

#51 Sondre ODDVOLL BOE

#53 Basar OKTAR

#61 Valtter VIRTANEN

R132 WTF?

#17 Alexia PAGANINI

#30 Eliska BREZINOVA aka Fat Cow (or was she a pig??)

#105 Marina PIREDDA aka Unknown Italian Girl

San is unranked!

R135 Not "unranked." Just above it all.

Now that I can breathe a sign of relief about Uncle Voronov, I'm on pins and needles about DOCTOR Valtter. Please don't tell me he's retiring. It's all been so unfair, with that lazy bum Yuzu taking the medals that rightfully belong to him! (never mind that it's such a luscious bum!)

R137 he has already announced programs for next season!

I tried to do a ranking of looks for top 15 as well but it was hard because they're all so different and most are attractive in their on way. I'm gonna say Messing is the ugliest though.

[quote] I'm gonna say Messing is the ugliest though.

So true.

Thank you R138! What a man! And so humble.

He is doing Bocelli for SP.

I think Kevin Reynolds is hot

R130 I don't mind the pics btw!

Sondre spends as much time and effort on Grindr as Valtter does on his academic studies and he's ranked above Valtter and the Turkish firebrand. I have a new hero!

R143 Kevin reminds me of the kid in Le Petit Nicolas, so I can see why you dig it, Alaine.

You fraus are so fucking shallow - lips, programs, cheek flush, blah blah blah. Kolyada's true appeal lies in what lurks beneath the surface.

R117 I am shocked! SHOCKED! Thank you for sharing this urgent and stunning news!

R145 Lots of judges and specialists on Grindr. that's why he is above me

Oh we've talked about Little Kolyada plenty

Sorry to detract from the Little and Big Kolyada, but still no news about Yuzu appearing in FaOI, huh?

Little Kolyada did nothing of note last season. Big Kolyada, however, has probably gone to the beach and the pool and the gym shower. He's achieved so much and is the star of any room he bounces into.

V/M have also announced they're extending their "break" from competition and not participating in the grand prix series. Are they just fucking with the P/C fans at this point? I guess it's likelier that they would come back than Mirai or Ashley or Gracie or any of the skaters who haven't officially retired yet.

R152, I just assumed that by extending their break, they meant "for the rest of our lives." haha.

Well I'm glad V/M are keeping P/C on their toes because who else would, honestly, with the kind of judging going on.

I'm all for Yuzu looking delicate in the face but I just can't with "he's peculiar and sensual" or "he's ethereal" like dudes... oh well I guess everyone's allowed to wear their beer goggles on their fav.

Scott is so full of himself . He think they would win with PC now? A year ago they won only one segment with pc during whole olympic season(short on olympics). We know why. Such luck wont happen again...

Robin Cousins called Yuzu ethereal (I think Kurt Browning as well.) He kind of is, imo. His body is sensual - not so much his personality though, I agree with you there, but I think a lot of people would call his lifestyle peculiar. It's a shame he's so isolated (assuming he is, and it sure looks like it). It'll probably be hard for him to break out of that way of living. Maybe after he retires.

Boe advertising his skills

DL Whores, no need for worry about Yuzuru. He has everything he needs here.

R154 He is ethereal on the ice.

R156 Yeah, I think he himself probably does not realize that isolating himself for years will have consequences in the future. All the people and friends he pushed away will not come back, having grown tired of being rejected every time they invited him. But maybe he does not mind. Not everyone is a social butterfly after all. Mama Hanyu will be sure to find him a maid (I mean wife) to cater to his every need once he retires and for the things she will not be able to provide him, there will be grindr or locker rooms during ice show tours.

R157 Oh dear. How embarrassing.

I'd be surprised if Hanyu didn't know how horny his fans are for his ass and if he hadn't ever standed in front of a mirror and looked at his naked body taking selfies or something like that. I'm serious. Let's notice how usually he looks at himself in the small screen at studio when they were filming interviews ( watch post-Worlds interviews, post PC Olympics interviews!!!! ) to make sure he looked good in front of camera. Also there were some media day photos where he was looking at himself in the mirror at TCC rink ( when he was NOT doing imagine training ofc) and let's agree on how skilled he is with poses.

R161 I mean, he put on the LGC costume, checked it from all angles and said, "I think is okay to wear this in front of people." I'm sure he knows his ass is hot

R162 OR he simply doesn't give a shit (no pun intended)

Med finds inspiration for her Memoirs of a Geisha program

R158 Are you sure Med? That knee looks extra bony and sharp. You could injure him.

Kolyada has a mesmerizing weakness and it's that he flops so much that every competition he's in is a nail bitter and wondering when he'll ever stop kissing the ice. I didn't give a damn about him until I started feeling pity for his sorry ass because I finally realized he had some skills when he didn't crumble.

More Hanyu-related books coming out, including one with a hundred of his sayings accompanied by 100 photos on June 19. Hanyu is the only author listed and it’s an official Hanyu book.

How to style your hair like Hanyu: https:// おしゃれ髪型. xyz/archives/14362

Gallagher is going to be interviewing Osmond for his podcast. Will she be in Japan for a show and which one?

Fernandez has a new photo with girlfriend and/or beard. Maybe it’s the angle of the shot, but I’m surprised by the lack of muscle definition in his abs.

Is it true that Lysacek dated his fiancee’s cousin (male or female?) for years?

What exactly did Glenn tweet about Chen when they broke up? She implied he cheated? He likes to “like” Zagitova's photos, although he mysteriously unfollowed her for that brief moment.

Hanna Harrell’s SP is an Edith Piaf/“Tanguera” mix choreographed by Ge (@hanna_skater). Ge also seems to be choreographing something for Cain/LeDuc.

R117 I think Nagasu has officially retired according to her twitter. @mirai_nagasu

R150 The addition of Fernandez’s flamenco show may have changed their update schedule. He’s announcing more details today (Thursday), so there’ll be an update on FaOI of some kind very soon.

R166 Not even Big Kolyada can make up for that Chaplin announcement.

Uno sings at 3:15 and 3:50:

[quote] What exactly did Glenn tweet about Chen when they broke up?

Nothing. She acts like he doesn't exist.

[quote]Is it true that Lysacek dated his fiancee’s cousin (male or female?) for years?

JDC, have you seen this thread (linked)? Here's a few posts about fiancee's cousin:

[quote]Dangs cousin is about 30 years old. Was with Evan from about 2013 -2017. Lives in LA. And elsewhere. Photos of Evan with her in LA while he was living in NYC. And with Vera. Last year she referred to Vera as Evans “Missus” weird as F

[quote]The whole situation is just strange. Want to wish them well. But red flags everywhere it seems. I think Evan had a relationship with Dang's cousin a couple years ago. Pictures of him with her up until 2017. Including while he was living in New York. Traveling with Vera. How weird is that? Looks like Evan was determined to get into that family...

[quote]I could post pictures from Vera’s friend’s instagrams but unfortunately not too successful with it. Up until last summer they were together all the time. Not sure who Dang’s cousin is but Asian women in pictures all the time but older than Evan, of course. The fact that his family told him to marry her and he proposed does not cut it. YOU and only YOU have to want it. What kept him away from Dang all these years? Maybe he just decided he had it with Vera and her old chrony friends! How does one post Instagrams on this site?

R167 I think Mirai is still on the fence about retiring. Lord knows why.

[quote]RETIREMENT is such a big word. I may be old for figure skating, but I’m only 26, which is still young in real world terms. It just seems like the wrong word for someone who’s in their mid-twenties. 🙈

[quote]And hip surgery is really hard to come back from. So I don’t know how skaters KNOW that they’re done competing. I’m still at the rink errday. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Fernandez does look puny. His pecs are usually not great but he used to have fairly muscular arms

R171 He's becoming a dad. Soon he will have a bald spot and a big beer belly.

R172 will Eric still want him when he's no longer pretty??

R172 when did Fernandez announce his impending fatherhood?

R174 he belly cupped like a redneck uncle at his niece's prom, so we're running with it.

R175 Considering that the only waist and ass Javi touches is Yuzu’s, Javi’s girl has to be relegated to belly grabs.

when did he touch his ass?

He aims for the lower back and the ass gets in the way. An easy mistake.

[quoteI was kinda surprised at ISU's top 15 male skaters, but I think they consider three years or something. Anyway if I had to rank them in order of looks, best being #1, it would be: 1 Hanyu 2 Uno 3 Cha 4 Voronov 5 Brezina 6 Kolyada 7 Chen 8 Kvitelashvili 9 Boyang 10 Rizzo 11 Zhou 12 Brown 13 Messing 14 Vasiljevs 15 Samarin

Oh, this is a fun game. I would put Uno near the bottom though and bump Vasiljevs and Rizzo up a few places. Samarin and Messing would fight for last place on my list and Zhou would be down there as well.

I agree with the top 3. But I also would bump RIzzo and Vasiljevs up a few places.

Cha is way too femme looking for me...he makes Yuzuru look butch. But he's also not a hideous troll. Hard to decide where I'd rank him.

I think Cha looks like a kid. Shoma too. Vasiljevs has something of the awkward kid about him too, unfortunately. I'd put Chen second, then Kolyada, Boyang and Kvitelashvili. I like interesting faces more than conventionally pretty ones.

Kill me but I would put the new and improved Brown in the top 4. Vasiljevs looks slow. Rizzo looks albino. Let's face it, most of them are average to fug.

Oh wait, I'm mixing Rizzo up with Grassl. Rizzo's not bad. Would move him up too.

Yeah, I have to say the men's field was generally better looking a couple quads ago. At least for my taste. You had Lambiel, Joubert, Daisuke, Tomas Verner, etc. On the other hand, there was PChan and Plushy, so maybe I just have my rose-colored glasses on.

PChan's wonky eye vs. Plushy's nose, who would win?

[quote]Lambiel, Joubert, Daisuke, Tomas Verner

That is truly a list worth fighting over; minus Verner though. This is going back a few years but a young Ilia Kulik was hot. Oddly enough, he not only chunked out, but turned into a different person altogether. I don't see any trace of his young self in recent pictures.

R186 Chiddy's wonky eye is always rolling in different directions, I bet he can see backwards and forwards, through time and space. He's like a character from Game of Thrones or Harry Potter. So yeah, he wins! Wait, what are they competing for again?

181 Cha is a pretty boy. But 17 yo Hanyu is prettier.

Seventeen-year-old Hanyu was a cute, fierce little thing, but not pretty. His haircut was atrocious and he looked very frail.

Cha is boy band pretty and can probably model, but not my cup of tea. Actually, Hanyu isn't my cup of tea either and nothing I would go for irl, but I find him incredibly beautiful and magnetic.

Looks - Brezina, Rizzo, Moris, Voronov and Cha are top 5, Hanyu, Uno and Messing at the bottom, everyone else in the middle.

Cha at his best is a sight to behold. Those lips!

Uno has a handsome face with a garden gnome body. I'm confused about how to judge him.

But then he can look like shit. Hanyu NEVER looked anywhere near this bad (not that I think Yuzu's ever looked bad but just sayin' - Cha runs the gamut). Maybe it was an awkward phase, skin-wise plus getting a bit chubby. I don't think Yuzu had an awkward phase. But he's more masculine looking than Cha (and that feels really odd to say lol).

I think Uno has a very handsome face/bone structure - pretty eyes. I overlook the blocky stubby little body and just judge the face.

Why is Messing everyone's universal bottom? If you tilt your head and squint until things are blurry, I don't think he's all that bad.

R194 it's not just that Messing is generally ugly but he also has this crazy look in his eyes that I don't trust. His smile freaks me out too R193 Damn I didn't realize Cha teenage acne was this bad, what aren't you taking advantage of your country magical skin care products, boy???

What do you have against me, R187?

I agree Uno has a handsome face. But he looks perpetually twelve because of his height.

RIzzo remind me of Fernandez sometimes. He's kinda like the calmer version of Fernandez. And speaking of Lambiel. I hope he wear that green coat and black gloves he wore on IDF. He looks hot.

R196 Nice pic, Tomas. But your weird-looking jaw and serial killer smile were boner killers for me. Also, the homophobic stuff didn't help.

R194, Messing is actually getting someone to marry him, so perhaps we need to bow down to his looks more, lol.

Javier's Flamenco on Ice cast will include Javier Raya, Celia Robledo, his sister Laura, and Sonia Lafuente. Does this sound like a lineup that can sell tickets?

Since we're being shallow, I wanna ask a question. Aside from talent and personality, how much of Hanyu"s popularity is due to his physical beauty? Do you think he'd be as popular if he was plain looking?

(Yes, I'm aware some of you think Hanyu is meh .I guess this question is not for you guys)

[R200] It's mostly his short legs that weird me out.

r202 Hanyu's popularity is a package deal and his looks and physique are a part of that package. I think he would be popular but not to this degree where people travel all over the world to see a figure skater. No other skater now or in the past has had this type of following...at least that I remember

Sonya Henie?

R202 I think it's hard to separate because a lot of his physical appeal has to do with his personality and the way he looks on ice. If you pick apart his features, he might even be kind of odd looking. But there is always something alluring about him that radiates from within, that has to do with the ethereal, vulnerable way he skates and the way he expresses himself and his love for skating both on and off ice.

Just rambly conjecture - the Japanese were knocking on the door to having a superstar skater for years - Midori Ito, Takahashi, Mao - and they made big splashes but not quite the whole enchilada, a la Yuna Kim or Plushenko. And THEN they got one.

With skating on the ropes, everyone was ready to jump on his bandwagon because Yuzu came at a lull -- Plush/Yags was over, Weir/Lysacek over, Mao and Yuna over, Patrick Chan finally winding down (and he wasn't cute enough to be big outside Canada?)... Who could fill the gap? The cute boy with the teddy bear, with beautiful quads, the latest mega-step in skating evolution... What's not to love? Nobody else was positioned to be the heir apparent.

Now we've got a Yank. A hypenated one but so what when the cupboard is bare. The market!! The tv money. Follow that money... And Russian girls have driven everybody out but the Japanese, so I guess we'll see where that goes.

His personality is boring...On ice as well

Henie was very popular but it's hard to compare given the new information age and that some of her popularity had to do with her later Hollywood career. She was also a legendary cunt and slut so I wonder how she would have translated in this day and age where few things can be kept hush hush.

Nathan is boring. I don't think Yuzuru is. He's an enigma that people are curious about. A childlike hermit... but he's so hot famous artists and pianists are gushing - hell even Raf can't stop drooling when he talks about him - sexy body and Phoenix eyes.

Nathan's cute and has his curls - but the definition of dull. Even Chiddy provided more entertainment - and pissy prima donna Dai - and brash Plush - and wild weird Weir... but Nathan?

I don't understand Javi's flamenco thing. Is it a part of Faoi?

Both of them are boring. In other way. You are biased because he has "phoenix eyes" and he is so "hot". And he is "enigma" LOL He is just boring. Thats because you find him hot and sexy, pretty etc does not mean he is fascinating

r209 don't forget her connection with Hitler and her giving the Nazi salute

I'm missing posts. Is Daitroll hurling shit at passers-by?

R213 - yes, she was a horrid bitch

Yes R214. Daitroll thinks Nathan is boring too - but also thinks Yuzuru is boring. We're just blinded by his glutes. But if loving them is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Chen is boring af. I don't see Hanyu as an enigma, I like his personality.

R215 thanks. In other words, the same shit. And from something that foams at the mouth whenever PC is brought up.

I think Hanyu would have the same popularity even if he looked like Messing, BUT I think he would less fangirls and more fanboys. Or just people focusing on his amazing quads instead of his amazing glutes.

The name of Yuzu's (the band) new single is SEIMEI.

R307 Hanyu was not expected to be a big star outside figure skating. His speech/language plays a huge role in his popularity in Japan.

R201 I was hoping Raya wouldn't be part of it. It all sounds so last minute.

R211 The actual press conference with details is on the 22nd, which you can attend if you reserve a ticket. So they held press conference about a press conference?

R219 thank you. It's like they're stringing things along because they haven't figured out the details yet. People are saying it's part of FAOI but apart from the dates, I haven't seen anything that says it is. Did I miss that part of the announcement? So they're not giving details until 2 days before the first performance then? I guess it has to be part of Faoi. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to sell tickets.

Gandy has started rescoring men's worlds. She already did the ladies. She provides gifs of almost everything, so you can see all of the URs and other errors like spins and steps which most have missed. She already has Zhou almost 12 points under.

R220 Japanese fans on twitter reported that Fernandez did confirm it was part of FaOI, but I haven't seen any reports from the Spanish embassy and Spanish media about that detail.

Sorry, I meant to say that Gandy already has Zhou almost 12 points under for the SP, and that's TES only.

R222 Love Gandy, thorough and brutal and backs her shit up.

R221 It's odd Javi is using FaOI to promote his show but he's not returning the favor. I doubt Javi's show would make a much of a difference for FaOI attendance, but in the press releases and other promo for the show, FaOI isn't mentioned anywhere.

In what positions are the men (or should have been) after her analysis?

R224 For SP, 1-3 remain the same (Chen, Brown, Hanyu), but the point differential is reduced because Nathan's score went down by about 3 points, while Brown's decreased only slightly and Hanyu's remained the same. She would have placed Zhou in 12th and placed Kolyada and Boyang slightly lower. I've linked to the rescoring chart.

My only objection (but not really) to Gandy is that she doesn't rescore PCS, so the scores for my fav, Satoko, look like shit. LOL. Deserved, I know, but still.

Fanyus are now obsessed with the ballet talk no less than Chen's fans. I see it everywhere on Twitter, PH... Funnily, none of them have the graceful qualities of ballet. Until now, skaters skating with balletic grace are Sasha Cohen, Tatsuki Machida and Anastasia Gubanova. I also saw the balletic inspiration in Alina Zagitova's Swan Lake and DTQ ( only in these programs) thanks to her costumes, her flexibility and some movements characterized for ballet.

R225 Thank you. Zhou's overscoring is outrageous. What the hell happened

I'm far from an expert, but I think Kolyada has a lot of grace - might be closest to a balletic skater?

[R226] Most fans don't realize that Brown has had more ballet instruction than Chen. You won't hear about it because it interferes with the USFS narrative for Chen, but you can see the training in Jason's line, posture and arms. Looking at Chen's posture and lines, you would never know he had a ballet background. For that matter, most of the American men have better posture than Chen.

Kolyada has great posture...oh and surely has that ballet bulge! (big kolyada i see you *wink)

r226 the ballet talk around Hanyu is because a ballet instructor and her troupe dedicated a performance to him. It's not the same as announcers without ballet expertise talking about how taking ballet at the age of 5 made someone balletic.

R228 R229 There are different types of grace. For ex, Mao, Kolyada, Miyahara, Brown, Daisuke,...have lot of grace on ice, they can control well their body movements, but being graceful is different from being balletic. That's why I said Zagitova's programs actually gave balletic vibes while her skating and her postures were ugly af. Just because when you watch her skates, you can immediately associate to ballet performances. Some skaters try to learn ballet to improve their postures. Taking these lessons might help fix bad postures and improve flexibility but it doesn't necessarily make you balletic. It also applies to learning dance which won't make you a dancer on ice.

R231 It's the same because his fans also use it to prove he's a balletic skater. No different from Chen fans trying to use his ballet background to make their narrative that he's balletic justified.

R232 Hanyu is not balletic and hiis fans know that. At least at PH.

Hanyu doesn't have a balletic style - his fans do know that and I think they're just amused (and feeling a little gloaty given the ballet talk around Chen) that actual ballet dancers think Hanyu's balletic. Also, let's state the obvious - we're all BORED to death and are kicking the can waiting for shit to happen.

Javi isn't a very good dancer - you can see it even in the brief clappy bits he does with Najarro, which don't require a lot from him. I hope the show is better, but Raya? Lafuente? his sister? Oh dear.

I would be more interested in watching Javi do porn than flamenco.

Be nice. Remember I am a ISU Technical Specialist now.. I can make UR to Hanyu if I want.

Javi and Eric should leak their sex tape, that should bridge us over the next season.

Sorry, I actually misread Gandy's chart - Kolyada's and Boyang's placements remain the same and besides Zhou, Messing is ranked slightly lower (11th to 14th) and Lazukin slightly higher (11th to 8th).

R234 Yuzu has many balletic qualities and is a natural at moving his body and creating beautiful lines. He just doesn’t have the stiffness (stiff back and arms) associated with it which is for the best.

R235 I don’t know why Javi is so into flamenco to begin with. He is a madrileno not from Andalusia as far as I know. Agreed that the line up is really underwhelming as well. And as someone else said it’s a bit strange that the promo doesn’t mention faoi anywhere if the show is set to take place there. If I were faoi marketing team, I wouldn’t be happy.

R240 His best short program was to “Malagueña,” so why not build an ice show around it? Of course, it should be mentioned that Ernesto Lecuona, the composer of “Malagueña,” wasn’t from Málaga, or Andalusia - or even Spain. He was from Cuba.

Now that I think about it, Javi’s programs that were a nod to him being from Spain were not composed by Spaniards. (“The Barber of Seville” is an Italian opera; “Malagueña” was composed by a Cuban; and “Man of La Mancha,” though based on “Don Quixote,” is an American musical.)

For authentic Spanish flavor, he should have done a program to Aserejé by Las Ketchup. I can envision those silly hand movements in a step sequence.

https://youtu.be/arZZw8NyPq8

Aserejé could actually make a super fun SP hmmm

Taken from GS about "the US ballet troupe company doing a Yuzu tribute performance. Now there is an interview. I love how the company's owner mentioned she mistake him for a ballet dancer the first time she saw him, goes to show how perfect and beautiful his posture is in Chopin:

“When I saw Yuzu skate in Pyeongchang, I thought he must be an accomplished ballet dancer who also skates,” Valdez stated. “That was my first assumption, just based on his port de bras (carriage of the arms), carriage of the body. He moves like a ballet dancer. I thought he was classically trained. It doesn’t matter, he is natural, so it’s beautiful. The carriage and the way he carves the space with his arms as he skates, it’s just very good ballet,” Valdez commented. “His musicality, he makes sure his arms are moving at the right place just on the note.

“When I saw Yuzu skate in Pyeongchang, I thought he must be an accomplished ballet dancer who also skates,” Valdez stated. “That was my first assumption, just based on his port de bras (carriage of the arms), carriage of the body. He moves like a ballet dancer. I thought he was classically trained. It doesn’t matter, he is natural, so it’s beautiful. The carriage and the way he carves the space with his arms as he skates, it’s just very good ballet,” Valdez commented. “His musicality, he makes sure his arms are moving at the right place just on the note."

R243 Another victim of Yuzuru's charming glutes- I mean beautiful moves on the ice...

Sorry about the double quote - didn't even realize I did it! Must have been daydreaming about those glutes...

If you need help figuring out which Gandy articles to click:

あちこちイジって計算したった…ワールド男子SP編 Summary of Mens SP with calculations, scoring, and placements

世界選手権2019 男子SP Men SP analysis with gifs

テクニカルがしっかりお仕事していたら…ワールド女子 ()総合編 Final ladies scoring and placements

テクニカルがしっかりお仕事していたら…ワールド女子Summary of Ladies FS with calculations, scoring, and placements

世界選手権2019 女子FS Ladies FS analysis with gifs

テクニカルがしっかりお仕事していたら…ワールド女子SP編 Summary of Ladies SP with calculations, scoring, and placements

世界選手権2019 女子SP Ladies SP analysis with gifs

For Ladies, most overscored for TES: Miyahara (-12.84), Medvedeva (-12.70), Zagitova (-11.45), Ryabova of Azerbaijan (-10.14), Feigin of Bulgaria (-7.52), Tennell (-6.15), Hendrickx (-5.35), Chartrand (-4.39), Chen of China (-4.23), Bell (-4.11). Overall, only Tursy and Schott’s TES scores did not go down.

Final placements: 1 Zagitova, 2 Tursy 3 Kihira 4 Sakamoto 5 Medvedeva, 6 Tennell, 7 Samodurova, 8 Bell, 9 Lim, 10 Miyahara. For Med, it wasn’t just edge calls and URs on jumps, but missing rotations and incorrect levels on most spins and steps. Most men had the same spin problems.

R224 To add to r225: For Men’s SP, most overscored for TES were Zhou (-11.95), Chen (-3.02), Uno (-2.80), Bychenko (-2.67), Selevko of Estonia (-2.02), Jin (-1.63), Kolyada (-1.62), Reznichenko of Poland (-1.42), Samarin (-1.19), Tanaka (-1.17). In Zhou’s case, 4Lz<+3T<, 3A< and missed rotation on his CCoSp. Chen’s spins should’ve been level 2. The panel actually called the UR on Uno’s flip this time.

Final placements for SP: 1 Chen 2 Brown 3 Hanyu 4 Rizzo 5 Uno 6 Aymoz 7 Brezina 8 Lazukin 9 Jin 10 Kolyada.

r225 That reminds me, I should’ve mentioned Gandy only looks for deductions and doesn’t look to increase GOE when rescoring. I like that she examines everyone. I never would’ve known how overscored Ryabova (who’s actually Russian and coached by Plushenko) is.

R238 After seeing that clapping bit r335 mentioned, we should probably keep our expectations low for that, too.

I could’ve sworn the original plan for Flamenco on Ice included actual flamenco dancers.

Hanyu's name is listed for FaOI Kobe on a Kobe travel agencys's page.

R246 Thank you for the summary, JDC. I'm mystified by Zhou's overscoring, did he get fucked by the whole panel? Because what the fuck

Yuzu is basically part elven, part lossoth, while Shoma is part lossoth, part hobbit.

Such a good senpai

I think in Muslim countries this would count as an insult.

R251 His hair is perfect in that photo.

Who is Gandy and when did she/he become relevant in figure skating scoring discussions? I've never heard mention of it before this thread?

Hanyu's personality and looks cannot be separated from his popularity. Its one of the reasons I don't think any other skater can reach his level soon, unless Cha steps up. Anime looking boys and androgynous looks, as well as the gap in being cute and being fierce is a big draw to fangirls. Fangirls sexually fantasizing him with a top rival who is a rinkmate and "friend" Fernandez was a plus too. Also, I think Hanyu exhibits a few quirks that differed enough from the rest of the crop that his fans can pick apart.

Hanyu is confirmed for all FaOI locations.

Makabe is going to be on “Japan Groove” on BS Asahi at 1AM Sunday to talk about FaOI with music producer Satoshi Takebe who did FaOI last year. Maybe we’ll get an update on something?

r253 Gandy is frequently referenced in Japanese blogs and twitter, but she just started her current blog during the 2017-2018 season, only focusing on some skaters at the time and didn’t do full score comparisons like she does now. Uno ubers call her an anti because she’s always been very vocal about his overscoring and people like to use her gifs of his URs when making a point.

And Kostner has dropped out of FaOI. Her hip injury (catilage/chondropathy) has worsened.

[quote]to talk about FaOI with music producer Satoshi Takebe who did FaOI last year.

Are they going to talk about that horrific singer? It should be talked about.

Just thinking about Faoi's singers gave me a headache. Not only their voice but their songs are also horrifying. I really hope Yuzuru has his own show soon so that he doesn't have to do Faoi anymore. Not sure if this year the rumor that he was forced to appear in all venues is floating anywhere but I think he doesn't enjoy doing too many shows either, at least not as much as he love training.

2 week left to FaOI!!!! If you don’t like, don’t watch!

We cannot wait. To see another lyrical program from Hanyu. Half world is waiting

Anyone know how much he gets paid for FaOI? I know it’s probably a lot more than other skaters

Would anyone be privy as to why there aren't any Japanese Olympic medallists from more recent Games appearing in ice shows where Hanyu is part of the cast? The last time I remember Takahashi being in FaOI was back in 2014 and the last time Hanyu was in a show with Asada where they were both already medallists was...was there even one?

Asada and Takahashi do appear in shows together periodically but never with Hanyu since 2014. Even Uno hasn't done any since he became an Olympic medallist himself. And I believe he's appeared in shows that at least one of the others were also in.

I mean if Asada and Takahashi are avoiding sharing shows with Hanyu because they don't want their stardom to clash with Hanyu's supernova, I get that. But it's not like Uno is big enough of a star in his own right to be headlining shows on his own so I don't see why he wouldn't be sharing at least a couple of shows with his handsy senpai. Unless that's just it. He just doesn't want to get pinched and babied and is dodging Hanyu's grabby hands when he can.

Otherwise, I don't get it. does Hanyu have cooties that prove fatal to other Japanese medallists if they were to do ice shows together or something?

R261 I have a similar question. How do FaOI and The Ice choose skaters to invite ? Why do skaters doing The Ice stop doing Faoi ?

And when will we get official annoucement about this lady skating at Faoi ? Her reputation is only second to Yuzuru.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe Hanyu or his management team might have some say in the matter, R261? You just naturally assume that everyone else is to blame? I don't see why it matters. Japan has enough ice shows that they don't need every star in every cast. They're going to sell tickets no matter what.

That actually went there... dory is back

R263 I thought this was covered already. It has more to do with what agency represents them.

R261 I am an OGM mothafucka!!

R263 Sigh. I guess you'll just have to forgive me for finding it hard to imagine Hanyu keeping anyone out, given that he hasn't displayed signs of divaism or a huge ego to justify that sort of suspicion. I'm not saying that he isn't a diva, mind, cos I don't know the guy personally, but he hasn't given people reason to think he is. It's also hard to imagine him insecure about his countrymen eclipsing him. And he seems to have a lot of say when it comes to management, given that he isn't signed to any agency. I can't imagine Asada being insecure either but I don't see her having a lot of say in her management given that she's signed to a huge agency who seem to be more given to strategic planning. Takahashi is also signed up with an agency so this seems to be more their decision than it is any of the skaters, I guess.

Anyway, I wasnt trying to point fingers here so there's no need to get all defensive. Was just genuinely curious.

R266 Sorry you're not quite recent enough (the others were all Hanyu's peers at one point) and you've got babies to raise so I didn't count ya.

Dayum. I just realized how unsuited I am to this place. I can't seem to imagine people being biatches and accusing them of being divas for no good reason. But a lot of posts here are way too amusing and some of the finger-pointing do seem convincing enough that it's all too juicy for me to stay away...

Gogo's move to Raf confirmed

R268 I'm the total opposite. I love this place because I can't gel with the fans that believe everyone and all skaters are friends, and it's just media or nasty fandoms stirring up trouble. People are so different. It's too unrealistic to believe everyone is an angel and it's all the agencies' or coaches' or tiger parents' fault. Sometimes the theories go too far, but it's better than a white or black approach.

I really hoped Yuzu would skip the ice shows (or just do Sendai) and rest his ankle. It was obviously not in good shape 2 months ago and given that we saw him on the ice just 1 week after World it’s clear he didn’t rest. Sometimes I agree with Javi and his passive aggressive comments about how Yuzu can destroy his body if he wants because that’s also what I’m feeling at this point.

R270 I think I may have an idea what places you're talking about and I have to say, despite being far from 100% suited for this place, I don't find myself fitting in those places either. They're highly informative but there's just something not entirely 3 dimensional about them that I find unsettling and despite the wildness that goes on here (gives me whiplash most times), i actually find interacting here more agreeable (tho I try to keep it minimal so as not to get too badly lashed by wild discourses and big attitudes).

Anyway, it's just the mudslinging with no real grounds or solid justification that I don't quite enjoy. The less delusional and/or spiteful ones that are backed up with convincing references can be quite persuasive and highly enjoyable to mull over though. Which is why i keep coming back.

But back to what I was talking about, like commercial contracts, I do think the show organizers have to go through the skaters' agencies when they invite skaters. For skaters who are represented anyway. And for big agencies like IMG, I'm thinking they're more calculating as to what shows they advise their skaters to go for. I mean, that's basically what their paid to do right? I wonder if FaOi even extended invites to them at all. They've had Uno and Takahashi before not too long ago so it stands to reason they might've reached out to them at least. I'm think there have been articles in the past indicating that other shows like DoI have reached out to Hanyu but after the whole lisfranc thing, the guy seems to have decided on sticking to just one major show.

Well I think this thread is hilarious. Other forums have no sense of humor whatsoever and are so uptight that is just a bore. Here I can joke about Big Kolyada or Med's chicken legs without some random Moderator banning me forever.

R272 I, too, am mudslinging anti. I give you information from source when my love and I reunite for sexy times.

R273 DL whore, my Yuzuru not needing chicken leg appetizer when he is full from feast of Russian clams.

so i gess gogo is really going to raf

I admittedly haven't watched Gogo skate because for some reason he doesn't interest me despite being Canada's so-called newest hope for FS glory (yeah, I'm a bad Canadian for not blindly supporting our skaters). Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like he's purely a tech heavy skater and a bit on the dull side? So I suppose it isn't a far stretch for Raf to Nathanize the kid, and seeing as judges love whatever Nathan is doing, it could work out in the long run (as long as Gogo's body holds). Who knows, maybe Raf will throw in a transition or two for Gogo.

R273 I'm with you there. I, for one, enjoy the mudslinging here, unfounded or not. It makes for a much more entertaining take on the figure skating world's goings-on. I mean, where else can you have fully dedicated threads to Hanyu's ass, Med's poor costume/music/personal/marketing choices and Misha just being an all-around twat?

R276 well, judges told us very clearly that Raf is THE coach for men. Gogo follows trends.

We've already covered a lot of the questions about shows in previous threads. Ice shows are run by different organizers and agencies who choose which skaters to appear in their shows. Sponsors also affect who's chosen. Uno and Takahashi are in USM, Mao is in IMG.

Hanyu makes more than enough money that he doesn't need to appear in other shows. From a business standpoint, there's no reason to invite Asada, Takahashi or Uno (who are probably more expensive to hire than other Japanese skaters after Hanyu) when Hanyu sells out shows on his own. He also overshadows other skaters, which wouldn't look very good if other skaters are supposed to headline or act as the MC in these other shows, especially if they're run by USM or IMG.

But Asada has never appeared in FaOI (CIC), probably because Arakawa was the unofficial MC until Hanyu. (Supposedly, they only wanted gold medalists to be the MC). Asada used to headline/MC The Ice (IMG), but she's only doing her own show now, so Uno has now taken that role. Dreams on Ice (CIC) is more for young skaters to debut their new programs and most participants are in their teens.

Takahashi ubers would also look away and refuse to clap for Hanyu at shows, which doesn't look good on TV. They also left nasty messages for him, which probably caused a headache for staff.

The musical artist selection is likely all political and agency related. They're mostly classical crossover, has beens, or were never quite popular. The age of the audience might have something to do with it as well and CIC might be avoiding popular artists who could overshadow the skaters or cause ticket wars between skating and music fans. That's probably why Toshi was invited instead of Yoshiki, whose fans outnumber Hanyu's.

When is Med going to learn her quads when she's doing months of shows?

Med should fix her flutz instead of thinking about quads.

R280 Thanks as always for the detailed explanation. That's one downside to having Hanyu in a show - the rest of the cast/musical artists can be shit and the tickets would still sell out.

Thanks JDC! Just the kind of quality content I've been hoping for to sate my curiosity. It all makes perfect sense now.

Yeah, I'm a both a latecomer to FS and even later to DL. I only encountered this thread, and subsequently DL, in its mid1Xs.

And I unintentionally lied when I said I only come back for the more legit sounding theories. There's also this, the roleplaying, and That Ass. Plenty of things to keep one interested.

So on to the next hot topic: is Raf's school slowly turning into a male version of Eteri's school, that covers the other two major feds? With Chen paving the way for the likes of Gogolev (and also Zhou), does this spell the coming of the golden age of quad bots from the three major FS feds, across both singles disciplines? Will Hanyu's ambition and will foil the plans on the men's side again with the help of psychological stuffed-toy related attacks or will they succumb to accumulated injuries? Will Kihira reign, or will it be the tiny Russian up-and-coming slated-to-be powerhouses instead? Stay tuned and find out this next Autumn thru Spring.

[quote] That actually went there... dory is back

R264 - following your link, I read the guestlist - and Plushenko was there but he's not on the ad you linked to. Has he fallen behind Buttle and Lambiel in value? Or maybe signed too late - but I think even I can edit well enough to fit in a Plushy pic.

Also the usuals: Vasiljevs, Candelloro, Elladj. So far, Tessa is the only female. Though this is the one Carolina dropped out of, right? Hope they find some other ladies - Miki, we need you! and Akiko? Kanako? Don't know the mgt companies' slates but there must be somebody. Oh yes, Masaru!

I don't want to rehash this again, but I wish the Takahashi ubers would grow the fuck up. They're mostly old ffs, and yet they're still hanging onto this petty shit years later. Hanyu and Takahashi are different kinds of skaters, with different strengths. Just appreciate them for what they have to offer. Takahashi fans should be more offended by the likes of Chen and Zhou who erase what it actually means to be an artistic skater. And yet a lot of them are on board with these guys simply because of their dislike of Hanyu. I can't even visit Takahashi fan fests or follow fans on Twitter anymore because they are delusional and crazy.

Gogo's actual skating fits Raf to a tee, so I'm surprised I saw (don't remember if here or elsewhere) people sad that he's leaving TCC where they might focus on other aspects of his skating to Raf who is the male eteri and knows how much TES matters in the game. Supposedly Chen had some artistic bone as a junior which went away with trying to catch up with the top in seniors. Gogo hasn't shone even that little bit of potential in juniors aside from quads. The future of figure skating is going to be so dull. The only silver lining is that Gogo or his tiger parents could be divas so there's potential bitchery in the future Chan style. Canadians.

R286 Spill the drama. Is there new beef?

Ubers don't hate on Chen and Zhou because it gives them great pleasure to support anyone who can defeat Hanyu. They mass hyped Uno who couldn't do it, so to the Americans they go. Much like the Chan ubers who are clinging to Chen, despite a similar glaring contrast between Chen's skating skills and Chan's.

Gogo will be fine with Raf. I don't think Raf is an ass or a bad coach. Gogo and Nathan are very similar. No need to sign onto the "complete package" PR if that's not what you're into.

R246 Lol hanyus stupid histerical ubers are so young. Yeah sure..75% of them are middle aged women

So...what, these people aren't really fans of the sport and more people who simply find pleasure in being part of a faction? Or maybe they were fans once upon a time but then lost sight of it because Hanyu's meteoric rise to heights where the one(s) they admired have failed to reach drove all sense of reason from them? So if, say, Chen had been born earlier and had been the one to drive Chan and Takahashi out of contention and Hanyu had been born later and is only now rising as a rival to Chen, there's a good chance they'd be booing Chen and be on Hanyu's side instead?

[R281] Who is Med going to be training with anyway? Brian and Tracy are busy kissing up to the Chinese fed. in China. Barkell is leaving.

Brought over from GS:

"On twitter there's a lot of buzz regarding remarks Shoma made in the Colantotte interview where he discusses his summer training camp. He says his current training situation in Japan is tough because he doesn't have high level training mates, so he's excited about the training camp because there will be skaters at his level there.

"The camp is located overseas and will begin around mid to late June, and after a month he will head back to Japan for The Ice before returning to that overseas training location for the rest of the summer. As there are only a few rinks in the world where there are skaters of his caliber many people believe he may be spending the summer with Raf. And it does sound like the scheduling would work with so many of Raf's skaters also participating in The Ice."

R288 no new drama that I'm aware of. Just reacting to what was posted at r280. The fan fest ladies are mostly tame, albeit delusional, wondering when he'll whip out that 4f to stun the competition. The twitter folks are crazy mean, gloating over/questioning injuries and such.

R291 well, yes. See e.g. the Chan Ubers on gs or Takahashi ubers on FSU

R291 People can be a fan of many different skaters for different reasons. One can love Chan's smooth skating skills and also appreciate Chen who has the jumping prowess and consistency that Chan never had. Except, I mean Chen has the quads but isn't necessarily making them beautiful so idgi why the sudden appreciation of Chen if they couldn't learn to appreciate Hanyu. For the petty ones, there's no mistaking what they're in it for.

R295 Chen has consistency? LOL In addition to being oh so also balletic and yaletic.

Sooooo yaletic

r291 I'm an oldie Takahashi fan and I will say this. Our consistent gripes over the years have been: 1) he was underscored in PCS; 2) repeatedly fucked over by skaters from bigger feds; 3) repeatedly fucked over by skaters who were perceived as being better technical skaters, even when they splatted. Does this sound familiar? So yes, I completely side-eye former Takahashi fans who are now rooting for the likes of Chen, Zhou and Gogolev. I could never get on board the Chan train because he is a cunt and because of WC 2012.

I can't speak for Japanese Takahashi fans, but I will say that Hanyu's rise was hard. He was also incredibly ambitious and honest about who he looked up to and what kind of skater he aspired to be, so the transition wasn't easy. It's kind of like when some Hanyu fans complain why certain skaters don't say they look up to Hanyu. I know some of these things are driven by regional politics, but really, they should be able to look up to whomever they want.

R295 I'd put consistency in quotation marks with a huge asterisk, and an additional footnote mentioning the fact that his "consistency" didn't show up until US Nationals where the American media subsequently took it upon themselves to rewrite his skating career as well as the history of figure skating to that point. Up until then, he was flailing around on his ass almost as much as our dear Chiddy (may he always be a cunt) used to.

R292 Brian probably?? He certainly seems to be the most enthusiastic about Med so he'll probably make time for her in between other projects like the China thing (which he's back from for now, I believe). I don't think Barkell really worked with Med much anyway, so I doubt his leaving will impact her training.

You guys, I saw this on the Evan Lysacek engagement thread and had to bring it back here

[quote]Okay, I go (or went to) the same gym that he did. And like someone upthread, I have also sampled what he has to offer (hi, R143... wonder if we've ever hooked up?!?) So, he had quite the reputation at the gym as he would be there three times a day, every day, trolling for dick. Several people would talk about him and refer to him as, "Miss E," or "Missy," primarily because of the attitude he would throw around.

[quote]When I say attitude, I mean, attitude. He would act like a real bitch who thought he was 5 levels higher than he actually is. He also had a particular type and if he wasn't interested in you, he would act like an exasperated bitch towards the person he was so offensive to him. I mean, it was really out of hand and unnecessary the way he would sigh in disgust at someone, leave in a huff, slam the door, etc.

[quote]He was also really particular in how he would hook up, meaning he was only interested in guys that were several grades above him in the looks and fitness department.. He would also only want to do it if it was one on one. So if he was blowing you, he'd stop if someone would come in, fine, but if they also played, he wouldn't continue. He'd storm out in a huff, even if he had played with that person before. And then he'd stalk you from steam to sauna to try to finish the job or get mad if you hooked up with someone else in the meantime.

[quote]Anyway, this particular incident happened at the end of October last year. He was there and a few of us were messing around and he was coming in and out and being annoyed that he couldn't get the steam to himself. Finally, most everyone left and I was alone, and Missy comes in and starts up. A minute later, some other guy walks in and Missy immediately gets up in a huff, makes this disgusted noise at the guy as he walks by, and storms out of the steam. Fine.

[quote]The guy that walked in seemed confused but laughed. It was obvious this guy wasn't trying to play but actually just trying to use the steam. Missy comes back in a half dozen times in 10 minutes, and each time he enters and sees the guy there, he turns around, and makes it obvious he's annoyed. The guy actually said something like, "am I interrupting something?" I felt sort of bad because Missy was actually being super rude to this guy who just wanted to use the steam for its intended purpose.

[quote]A few more minutes go by, some others come in and start to play and the guy just using the steam notices and politely gets up and leaves us to it. I finish and shower, etc. and while I'm shaving this other guy that I know who had been in there playing mentioned that Missy was blowing him, some guy entered, and Missy nearly bit his dick off, when that other guy came back to see if we were done and it was clear for him to use the steam. We sort of laugh about it and I go and change. Over by the lockers, Missy is in the same bay as I am, and the guy who he had been super rude to goes up to him and says, "Are you Ev...?"

[quote]Before he can finish, Missy says, "no," and again, in the rudest way possible. And the guy laughs and says, "Funny, you look just like my cousin Vera's boyfriend. I guess we'll have a laugh when I tell her about it later today." I had no idea at the time (and still don't) whether or not this person was actually related to Vera or if he was just fucking around trying to piss him off, but I always thought it was funny. Reading this thread made me wonder again if maybe that's actually what happened.

Well then, I'll take back what I said about Chen and consistency.

Chan isn't all about his ego. He is remembered by me as the master of flopping over on ice (I still adore those gif worthy moments) which made me forget a moment about other skaters falling on their ass as much. None of the current male skaters except maybe Messing have been as spectacular at falling since.

R301 too bad no one in this generation of skaters is as much of a desperate, entertaining whore.

R303 I will try my best. I have much desperation, just need to entertain and whore!

R304 lol I wish Misha's supposed boyfriend would come back to DL and tell us some stories

R301 LMAO that's hilarious. I wonder if Vera actually found out about this incident.

Our favorite boybander has transitioned back to being a men's skater. Such a shame.

I was so stupid earlier not to scroll down (and misled by the ad that only had men and Virtue/Moirer).

Anyway, loads of women at Hanyu's ice show: Kaori, Rika, Satoko, Zagitova, Tuk, Mai Mihara, Miki, Akiko, Arakawa and even Med!

I'm making way too big a deal about these photo-posters, but on this one -- why did they make Yuzuru's EX outfit blue instead of pink? and why do Miki and Tuk outrank Kaori?

R308 He must be practicing the manner hands right now, he's gonna use them a lot

R309 We are ranked by magic of our vaginas. Sorry, I'm not making the rules.

R309 Whoever doing those posters is fucking terrible and should be fired and blacklisted.

r301 Lysacek is a gift that keeps giving.

r309 Is Lambiel in the cast? I need some new pics of Hanyu's hand on Lambiel's ass to analyze.

Yes R313 - Plushenko, Weir, Oda, Buttle, Candeloro (sp?), Elladj, Stephane, Vasiljevs, and our boy Hanyu. Plus Virtue/Moir and Cappelini/Lanotte.

Well, I left out Lambiel but of course he's there - wherever Vasiljevs goes, so doth Stephane.

[quote] wherever Vasiljevs goes, so doth Stephane.

isn't it the opposite? wherever Lambiel gets an invitation, he manges to get Vasiljevs in too.

It's really a pity that Yuzu and Shoma aren't on the same ice shows anymore. This was from 2016, I think:

R317 lmao never seen that one before

Who the fuck keeps inviting Candeloro to these things? I'd rather see some middle of the pack current skater like Brezina, Kvitelashvili, etc. or an up and comer like Rizzo or Aymoz over his old dinosaur ass.

R317 "don't look, don't loo-fuck"

I always look at a nice ass when it’s in front of my face. It just means you appreciate beauty.

There's the old lady Easter dress!

And I say that with love, Yuzu. Don't ever change.

Nice that they put Weir's red "Creep" dress on one of the posters - but still, changing Yuzu's pink to blue - WTF?

Evgenia sends a kiss to her haters. (look out Yuzu!)

Alysa Liu, 4Lz + 3T

Sorry, that's really closer to a triple than a quad.

It's ridiculous that you guys shitting on Chen consistency when no one is is really more consistent than him lolll. And please don't compare his consistency to Chan. Chan should be on par with Kolyada in term of consistency.

R326 Yeah, he's very consistent. From a previous thread where we've already talked about this tedious topic to death: "Chen had falls and URs at every competition until Nationals, including falls during both programs at the GPF, but judges were still rewarding him with 9.0-9.75 in PCS (though thankfully not at JO where he fell four times)."

R317 Thank you for this. Nothing wrong with appreciating the finer things in life.

Shaking up the ladies field. Larkyn Austman just announced her retirement.

R327 But who didn't fall ? Uno, Hanyu, Jin or Zhou ???

I would call this consistency.

R327 Well, I really hope you weren't one of the people who diss Hanyu antis for saying he was unconsistent. Because if you were, it'd be funny.

R332 I don't have time for the that.

*for that. Uggh fuck my grammar. We need an ass pic soon.

R 307 Cha trimmed his hair? Aww dammit. Hope Hanyu doesn't trim his hair too much. I like his longer hair.

R 317 Lol. I obviously love Hanyu and I like Uno. But I rather see Hanyu checking out Lambiel"s ass. For me, the Yuzusho thingy is kinda weird. OTOH I have no problem with Yuzuvier.

Canada ought to poach a few Russian girls...Gabby seems perpetually on the verge of a mental health crisis and Alaine is just not competitive any more. Talk about slim pickings.

TSL interviewed Button.

Uno said it’s irritating that people assume he’s good at any game. In fact, he works very hard at his games. For example, he was terrible at Koya kodo (“Knives Out”) when he first started, but had a lot of free time during the Olympic season, so he played thousands of battles and became an expert player in just a week!

Uno has also been getting along well with Marin lately. Maybe he’ll enjoy spending time at Raf’s camp if that’s where he’s going. Sean Rabbit, who wants you to use his coupon code when you order your Japanese protein or Gaston Luga backpacks or Falun Gong dance show tickets, will no doubt appear.

And speaking of Sean Rabbit… He appeared on Japanese TV (“random” interview on the street segment?) to br-…say he’s an acquaintance of Hanyu’s. At least his Japanese has improved. No one knew who he was. Clip on his twitter.

Doshisha Sports Atom posted a talk between Kinki (the region, perverts) skaters Tomono, Honda Brother, and Nakamura. Tomono said Ge helped him so much with not only his expression, but also his technical elements that he was almost like a sub-coach (and that’s why his jumps were terrible). Honda brother says they do a lot more off-ice training at Raf’s camp and it feels like his entire day is devoted to skating/training. (Maybe Uno won't like it.)

R301 Even if it isn’t true, that sounds just like him. Thank you and thank you to the person who quoted from the same thread earlier. I find the cousin thing weirder than Missy’s gay cover-up and Dang could easily do better even if all she wanted was a sperm donor, unless she’s trying to get back at her cousin and Missy is trying to get back at Wang?

R326 I don’t know. Is it as ridiculous as the idea that American beauties are flocking to Chen? R330 To be fair, Uno, Hanyu, Jin, and Zhou didn’t fall four times in one program and lose to Zagitova.

(If you’re talking about Worlds, no one is disputing the fact that he didn’t fall. They’re just making fun of the idea that he was consistent all season, which he wasn’t, and no one is saying any of the other men were, either.)

Sakamoto had to get a second job to pay her bills. Her dad, too:

R332 I don't understand what you're trying to argue. You complain about people questioning Nate's consistency, claiming he is the most consistent. Someone pointed out that he wasn't all that consistent up until Nats. You then whine that it's unfair to point out his inconsistency because everyone is inconsistent. How do you even define consistency in the quad era? Just landing the quads? What about URs and wrong edges, both called and uncalled? Isn't it easier to be consistent if you strip your programs of everything but jumps? Do you still get credit for consistency if you reduce the number of quads? You shouldn't bother getting so worked up about something people can argue ad infinitum and easily disprove when you call x person "most" consistent.

It's easier not to fall when all you do is crossovers and jumps and no transitions or steps in and out and even then Chen isn't more consistent than most of the top men. He just had a good 2nd half of season this year helped with ridiculous overscoring and brainwashing by U.S. media to make it seem like he did something exceptional.

R339 right on

R337 run, Marin! He'll slowly poison you with the meat farts! Itsuki will livetweet your lovemaking and shoma will run into coach fluffy's arms afterwards and cry because he doesn't understand what just happened! Your goblin baby will completely wreck your vagina with it's huge goblin head and fat goblin body! Run gurl!

If we want to talk about jump consistency (disregarding UR and edge calls) then zhou has the edge over chen, it’s just the tech panel that’s been inconsistent with their definition of rotation.

R334 Ask and ye shall receive.

R343 Bless you, kind DLer. Those pants are stretched in all kinds of ways trying to contain that ass.

R338 I tell one is consistent or not based on their FS TES. For example, Rika Kihira has been consistent, her FS TES hadn't been lower than 70pts this season. Let's see men TES scores: Hanyu: : 79,01 ( ACI) 98,01( Finland GF) 78.25 ( RC) 110,26( Worlds) Chen: 99.05 (SA) 96.94 ( France GP), 101.79( GPF), 121.24( Worlds), 105.91 (WTT ) Uno: 83.75 ( Lombardia) 101.74( SC) 94.18 ( NHK) 93.79( GPF),104.48( 4CC) 89.9 ( Worlds), 100 ( WTT)

R345 LOL like TES is comething objective nowadays

R309 why wouldn’t they outrank Kaori? Is she a World champion?

R329 I'll actually miss Larkyn. She wasn't the best jumper but was a true diva on ice.

World is coming

R345 oh dear. Aside from what r346 said, that TES have been a fucking joke this season because of the new scoring system, I see you had to cherry pick there just to prove your point. Why no Japan Open (yet you included ACI and Lombardia)? Why FS instead of SP? Also, you haven't addressed what a few people have pointed out - freebies from judges and the tp to pad his scores even when he took out the 4th quad, had no transitions etc. etc

Has poor Takahashi inadvertently stepped into something? Google translate says he has a leg shape fetish and likes Zag's legs. My TL is all aghast. Yes she is 16 and he probably shouldn't say these things in this day and age, but sorry I can't get worked up over this one.

R351 he probably meant he wishes he had legs like Zag's.

Why are they even asking Daisuke Takahashi about his "favorite type of women"? Japanese media seems to full of daft people.

R353 Can't tell from the google translated article whether he was actually asked about his favorite type of women or if he just came out and named Zagitova. As to daffiness, I can think of numerous instances of American media inquiring about the love lives of obviously gay athletes/celebrities. We are the land of Kardashians, Fox News, In Touch, and an orange poop emoji of a president. Let's not cast stones!

R354 True. That reminds me of the time when a reporter asked Matt Bomer about his girlfriend. He went like "Girlfriend? Nooooooo" it was cringy and hilarious.

R351 and Zag posted today a couple of bikini photos. Did he see them and got "inspired"?

R350 I didn't include Japan Open because it isn't an ISU competition just like I didn't include Nats scores. SP TES because FS has more elements and is more difficult to go clean. Also FS scores are usually decisive scores. If you want SP, I will do another lol.

R351 He has good taste in legs loll Zag has admirable legs. I heard that he loves butt too. Wonder who has his favorite butt.

R353 Ah geez, you might be right - someone found a video of the exchange and it sounds like he was asked about what kind of woman he likes, and, like a typical DLer, proclaims his love for thick thighs and butts. Poor guy stepped out of the homo frying pan and into the ephebophilia fire.

R355 LOL Or when we were supposed to believe that Brian Boitano and DL's favorite dyke trucker, Katerina Witt, were actually an item.

R351 real scandal is he not pick my legs (gorgeously shaped by OYASLIM leggings @bitekilab_oyaslim #oyaslim #leggings #roomwear). Yuzuru defending my honor soon I hope.

R457, yes, could you do the SP TES as well

R358 It's Kanako who should be insulted! She was sitting right there and they probably rejected her and called her fat (again)! What's a cult good for if it can't keep people from embarrassing you on national TV??

Oops r357 please also do the sp tes

For those worried about Mama Hanyu not getting any from Papa Hanyu because of Yuzu...take a breath...she will get some in less than 2 weeks.

Daniel Grassl attempted at 5Lz ? (from his thread on GS)

"Daniel publicly attempted unassisted 5Lz (quintuple Lutz) in Bolonie during the Final Exit. Resulted in UR + crash, as expected. At least that what Alexandra Trusova mentioned in her latest socials. She states she witnessed. No, it wasn't she to provoke him. Looks like coaches said him to try if he wants. - Wow! It was cool! (she said)."

R361 R363 SP TES Hanyu: 55.50 Lowest 48.16, highest: 62.44- 52.34 ( ACI), 59.09(Finland GP) 62.44 ( RC), 48.16 (Worlds)

Chen: 50.90 lowest 44.29, highest 60.98- 45.94 (SA), 44.29 ( France GP), 48.78 ( GPF), 60.98 ( Worlds), 54.69 (WTT)

Uno: 48.88 lowest: 46.63 highest: 57.65- 57.65 (Lombardia) 46.63 ( SC), 48.91( NHK), 46.88 ( GPF), 46.94( 4CC) 47.51(Worlds), 47.67( WTT)

FS TES ( average)

Chen: 104.99, lowest: 96.94, highest: 121.24 - 99.05 (SA) 96.94 ( France GP), 101.79( GPF), 121.24( Worlds), 105.91 (WTT ) - 104.97

Uno: 94.43- lowest 83.75, highest: 101.48- 83.75 ( Lombardia) 101.74( SC) 94.18 ( NHK) 93.79 (GPF), 104.48( 4CC) 89.9 ( Worlds), 100 ( WTT)

Hanyu: 91.38- lowest 78.25, highest: 110.26 -79,01 ( ACI) 98.01( Finland GF) 78.25 ( RC) 110.26( Worlds)

In SP: Hanyu> Chen> Uno In FS: Chen> Uno> Hanyu

The number of serious mistakes ( fall, pop, invalited elements) based on what I remembered.

Hanyu ( 2 falls, 2 pop, 1 invalited jump,1 invalited spin/ 4 competitions) Uno ( so many falls that I can't remember, about 6-7 falls/ 7 competitions) Chen( 3 falls/ 6 competitions)

In spite of having made less mistakes than Uno in FS, Hanyu's TES was lower because he popped more and judges rarely gave Uno's falls "<".

Ooops sorry invalidated elements

R365 YOLO

R366 so basically no one was consistent this year. The new rules fucked everyone up

R369 Not our fault. it is just they are all crap. We will oblige them to do 2+3 combos. But thse assholes will probably pop even the 2Lz

Wait...if you take the lowest difference between highest and lowest in SP and FS , Shoma is most consistent this season. He underrotated and fell the most consistently this season

R371 nah, Kolyada is the consistent splatter.

R345 r366 No one refers to TES scores when talking about a skater’s consistency because skaters alter their programs and scores will vary even if a skater gives the same exact performance every time since the judges are different for each event. Chen fell and URed during his FS in the GPF but didn’t during SA, yet you wouldn’t know it because his GPF TES is higher.

Consistency refers to falls and depending on the person, other errors called or uncalled. You know this because you and I already discussed Chen’s consistency in thread 28 where, oddly, you didn’t bring up his TES.

Not to mention, we’re talking about Chen’s consistency. Kihira, Hanyu, and Uno’s scores are irrelevant. (And why only Japanese skaters, including a ladies skater?) But by your new definition, Chen is the least consistent because his TES went up-down-up-up-down with a range of 66.32 to 121.24, instead of steadily increasing over the season or remaining the same. And that’s 7 falls for 7 competitions, if you’re also going to include Hanyu’s first competition of the season.

Gandy finished her analysis of FS and final summary. I’ll go over the scoring in detail later, but I’m watching yesterday’s Merengue no Kimochi right now and want to get to that first because Takahashi’s appearance on the show was far worse than what’s been described here. It’s a PR nightmare and he’s turned off his own fans.

Larkyn wasn't getting any better so I can understand her retiring. She reminded me of a middle aged drag queen.

R373 Is it true that he admitted to be a heavy drinker?

R375 Drinking and pissing himself (full-blown alcoholic), DV, pretended he wasn't gay, creeped on the other guest. I'll get to it but I'm not done watching.

R376 I can’t wait!!!!!!!!!!

R376 What a mess. Can't wait to hear more about it.

JDC -can’t u use your super czar powers and read and type faster 😂

Damn. You got us excited, JDC.

R373 I already explained why I didn't include his Japan Open. It isn't ISU competition.

I disagree consistency refers to falls only while other mistakes like pop could seriously affect the score. No one would say Hanyu at ACI 2017 was more consistent and did better than Chen at JO because he didn't fall 4 times, he popped 4 jumps instead. While TES score will vary from competition ro competition, TES is the closely indication to how much a skater delivers his technical content. And I said "No one is really more consistent than Chen" Why I can't bring up other names to support that?

R373 it’s obvious you’re a biased Chen Uber. Just agree to disagree -consistency within a season versus consistency in ISU competition. Pops are same or not same as falls, whatever. I agree with JDC- if you use the range regardless Chen is very inconsistent ( see how’s I didnt compare him to other skaters)

R382 I'm a Chen uber is the best you can say lolll Saying Chen is more consistent than others is what only Chen ubers would say, I know lolll

R381 “TES is the closest indication to how much a skater delivers his technical content”

Did you actually type that with a straight face? Please- let’s not rehash the GOE candies based on fed bias and ridiculous judging that ignore bullet points.

oh please, stop now. And take this

Jason Brown FS: Schindler's List, choreographed by David Wilson.

R383 yes, only Chen Ubers would look at those numbers and come up with that conclusion

Then you are just wrong because I'm not Chen uber. Believe or not.

You can be only hanyu uber.

I was said to be Med Hanyu shipper and Daitroll some times so I take that lol.

R389 Many daitrolls here. according to them.. They are delusional. I was called like that, too. They are obssesed with Hanyu. We are enemy of that etheral skater.

Why is it an insult to be called a Chen Uber? If you are one you should be proud of it and not get so defensive when you’re called one. Hanyu is my favorite skater. That’s why I am on a dL site that starts with his name. What’s the confusion.

R391 How about I'm not but I'm called Chen uber which it doesn't mean anything nice , in a place where most of people are allergic to Chen uber, uhh? Some people here are delusional and overestimate this place. Real Chen ubers, Dai ubers or MedHanyu shippers who don't give a shit about Hanyu would have no time for being here to argue with them.

R392 ok

[quote] TES is the closely indication to how much a skater delivers his technical content

With the caveat that the judges were actually doing their job properly though. You really can't use TES (or the scores in general) as a means of determining consistency when it is subject to the whims and fancies of the judges and is a manifestation of their piss poor ability to do their job properly. We need only look at what Vincent Zhou was gifted this season to understand just how little his scores are in any way a reflection of reality.

R387 Here's what I noticed. Going by the concept the term "consistency" is most commonly used for in FS-related arguments, people here are calling Chen inconsistent mainly because if you havent seen him skate this season and just go by his scores, you would think he is more consistent, whereas this isn't the case for most other non-US top skaters in the men's field (the ones who have quads--Aaron probably shouldn't have retired). So I think people are just pointing out the truth belied by his scores: that Chen is about as inconsistent as everyone else in the first half of the season (when incidentally, he actually had more going on in his programs besides his quads), and then when he gained consistency later after sacrificing the uhhh, content that "aren't necessary but are mere guidelines", he got propped up where his elements aren't necessarily deserving of high GOEs simply because he's making less mistakes. It's basically wilful manipulation to direct crowd thinking to a direction desired by the manipulator, and is one of the oldest tricks in the books when it comes to controlling public reaction.

And here you are saying he is consistent precisely because his scores say he is. So I think those who labelled you a Chen uber actually gave you more credit because the only other thing you can be is blind and/or gullible...which seems harsh, and despite this being DL, maybe people don't want to go there just yet.

controlling public reaction and thinking*

On a different note, does it make me a bad person to feel vindicated on Weir's behalf? Look at him being invited to skate in big shows with huge, even sold out, crowds year after year while that used-to-be huge one that banned him doesn't seem too far off from the point of simply struggling to keep afloat? I'm surprised he's not gloating about it publicly. Or is he and I just missed it, not being a follower of social media accounts?

Anyway, I'm not even a Weir fan, not by a long shot, but despite all the injustices going on in the world, small confirmations that justice does exist like this reaffirms my faith somewhat.

(not my yt-channel)

jesus I just saw hanyus accident with that chinese guy. I couldnt stop laughing....Was he serious?? His behavior like a big victim and little boy is pathetic. He behaved like he survived tragic car accident. And why asian fans are lying that he had a concussion?

R385 Jesus, why would Jason agree to a SL program by DW. It's going to be so fucking awful. Is Rohene choreographing his short again? Good lord I hope so.

R397 it's probably me projecting or something - but I always think I see that little bit of panic or reticence when Yuzu puts his hands on Shoma, or rubs his cheek or something - like flashing through his mind is, "What'll I do? What'll I do??" You never see Shoma making the first move, though maybe that's the pecking order? (though that doesn't stop Yuzu from playing with Nobunari Oda just any kind of way that strikes his fancy, verbally or physically)

R400 That look of panic and not knowing what to do is just Uno's resting face.

[quote] Drinking and pissing himself (full-blown alcoholic), DV, pretended he wasn't gay, creeped on the other guest. I'll get to it but I'm not done watching

If DV means what the "Urban Dictionary" of slang said it meant - then WTF?? Dai must have been out of his mind. (can't wait for more details)

And I think Jason would do whatever he had to to be accepted/liked by Brian. He admitted he hated the Simon & Garfunkel thing when he first heard it, but he ended up going along - so I guess he's stuck with DW, but I'll always be grateful Yuzu got free of him (for competition programs anyway). And didn't a number of Japanese women ditch DW this year? Thank heavens.

R402 I think there's a ring of truth to what you're saying - so many skaters dumped DW that getting dumped by Jason would have been pretty humiliating so Jason probably felt bad and/or was pressured into using him again.

Geez, this is getting into Urban Dictionary territory? I'm afraid to look. I assumed DV was domestic violence.

Did everyone just decide that it's going to be all warhorses, all the time from now on? I'm so bored already and the season isn't starting for 4 more months (well, more like 5). Ugh.

Kolyada's Chaplin makes me wish he had another warhorse.

oh god, another dreary blah program for Jason? He's best known for Riverdance because it was fun, upbeat, and suited his style. What's he going to do, dress in prisoner's garb or as the girl in the red coat?

R406 He's going to play the dual role of prisoner and Nazi guard.

I didn't know Jason was Jewish (saw it in his thread at GS). Maybe it'll be ok. It's looking good in this clip.

So Takahashi likes thicc thighs and butt. Hanyu has thicc thighs and cute perky butt.

DV= double vagina. For those of you too lazy to look it up.

R408 Yes, Ward is doing his SP and Wilson is only doing one of Mihara's programs. (He did both last season.) I forget which one, but it was announced yesterday? that Lori is doing Mihara's other one for the first time.

The episode was 1.5 hours long and they were in a studio, so Takahashi would talk even after his segment. I have to do this in multiple posts. Brace yourselves and save your questions until the end, please!

Keep in mind, everyone (not just figure skating fans) knows Takahashi is gay. Not only does everyone know about his boyfriend from a few years ago and frequent visits to Tokyo’s gay bars, the media has constantly alluded to his gayness (“girlier than girly girls,” “has a gay accent and talks like a mama in 2-chome,” “also attracted to men”) even in his presence, with his blessing.

The part about Zagitova began with the main host asking “What type of woman or what celebrities do you like?” He named Sarina Suzuki as his ideal type, because he loves husky voices (we know) and sharp faces (we know). But lately, he watches everything that Haruna Kawaguchi is in while picturing himself as her romantic partner. When he looks at women, he always focuses on their legs because he has a leg fetish. He likes it when they have meat from their butt to thigh, but slim calves and ankles. So the main host asked, “Of the figure skaters, whose legs do you like the most?” That’s when he named Zagitova and said he likes the line of her body from her butt to thigh, and skinny calves. Then he said, “Oh, I sound so creepy.” The host replied, “Yeah, you sound like a perv,” (and they kept calling him a perv throughout the show, because he was creepy as hell).

[quote] So Takahashi likes thicc thighs and butt. Hanyu has thicc thighs and cute perky butt.

But can he lift Hanyu overhead? I think Yuzu needs a Guillaume or Ondrej.

But Yuzu and Dai would shake the skating world to its core, that's for sure. But still... I don't think Yuzu is rough enough for Dai.

Well, that's a way to keep himself in the limelight. Is Dai doing any shows? What about Dice Murakami? Any more skating shows for him? His youtube channel seems to have died off.

[quote] Well, that's a way to keep himself in the limelight. Is Dai doing any shows? What about Dice Murakami? Any more skating shows for him? His youtube channel seems to have died off.

That's a good question. Dai was doing some shows last year, before his big comeback, but I haven't heard anything about him doing them this year. Maybe they're coming up?

R414 Hyoen in July.

R413 how’s Dai staying in the limelight.. by “ making a comeback” with inadequate TES to compete internationally and stealing the limelight from his juniors

That’s when they brought out the board only showing the legs of the three skaters to see if he could actually identify Zagitova’s legs and wasn’t bullshitting. He immediately knew it wasn’t 2 (Med). He wasn’t sure if it was 1 or 3, but one of the co-hosts joked 3’s legs (Kanako Murakami’s) looked a little thick, so he guessed 1 which was correct. Having an adult describe a minor’s body part is controversial in Japan, even on a late-night variety show by someone who everyone knows isn’t attracted to them, and Merengue is a daytime show. And it’s not only the straight-talk from Takahashi that’s disingenuous. The use of Zagitova, Medvedeva, and Murakami was no doubt for the purpose of promo for those skaters. But Takahashi wasn’t tricked into anything, it was clearly all planned, and he got far creepier later without prompting.

Throughout the show, he creeped on the other guest, Manami Hashimoto. (No relation to our Hashimoto, but someone here will surely be cracking jokes.) He’d look her up like a dirty old man and compliment her at times, and the fact that he’s gay and everyone knows he’s faking it made it somehow creepier. When it was time for her segment and Hashitomo talked about a racy photoshoot she had where her dress hung from her body revealing side boob with a just barely covered nipple, he said, “Ooh, I love that (body) line.” When they brought out her photobook and he looked through the pages, he said: “(on a nude photo) These are the ones I like!” “Are you naked in this one?” And “What a nice ass!” (Yes, “Ass,” not even “butt.”)

Either Takahashi and his team are completely delusional and think the public came down with a sudden case of amnesia and will like him more if he’s a straight guy who talks about minors and creeps on women face-to-face than if he’s gay, or he’s doing it for (Seiko) Hashimoto for some reason.

It's not Dai's fault that none of the juniors are very talented or exciting to watch. I mean, Koshiro is pleasant enough, Sota's whatever, the rest are meh. They haven't shown anything to warrant giving them a spotlight so far.

What's with all the Dai hate here? I'm certainly not the Daitroll, but I don't get it at all...I'd watch him over 95% of the rest of the men's field no matter how low his tech score is.

Of course! How could I forget. Thanks R415.

And thanks EVER so much for the scoop, JDC. I hope there's method to his madness, but that boy doesn't seem stable. On tentorhooks waiting to see what other feet he shoves in his mouth.

Another program reveal:

Ting Cui: Long program: composition of ‘Wayward Sisters’ and ‘Table for Two’ from the Nocturnal Animals Soundtrack. And I have decided to keep my short program from last year set to ‘Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini’

[quote] That’s when they brought out the board only showing the legs of the three skaters to see if he could actually identify Zagitova’s legs and wasn’t bullshitting. He immediately knew it wasn’t 2 (Med). He wasn’t sure if it was 1 or 3, but one of the co-hosts joked 3’s legs (Kanako Murakami’s) looked a little thick, so he guessed 1 which was correct...The use of Zagitova, Medvedeva, and Murakami was no doubt for the purpose of promo for those skaters.

Somehow, it seems like an insult to use photos of Med's legs in ANY context, drawing attention to her weird chicken legs.

R418 the point is Dai has no future, Japan needs an heir to Hanyu (uno is a big question mark).. scores are somewhat based on reputation. Dai’s FS in JNats was embarrassing. Watch in in ice shows, not while he’s stealing the limelight and PROMOTION from the juniors.

Tho like Notte Stelatta and HYK , I'm secretly hoping Hanyu would drop DW.

R400 Do you have the video link where Hanyu rubs Uno's cheek? I've only seen gif. Just curious what the context was.

Still waiting for JDC to finish the post. So far.. yikes!

Tho I like

But it doesn’t end there. Takahashi talked about drinking everyday during his 3-year retirement except for three days, and pissing himself. He’d drink 6-7 chuhai (9%) each time. There were a couple of times where he’d pass out in his living room, wake up, then move to his bed where he’d realized he was wet and had pissed himself. Then he’d moved to his guestroom and piss himself in that bed, too. Kanako Murakami said he’d bother everyone whenever he got drunk (including at fs banquets) and Takahashi admitted the alcohol would make him believe everyone loved him. (In the past, Murakami and Suzuki have talked about how the other Japanese skaters would have to take care of him.) He said he doesn’t do any of that anymore and lives a healthy lifestyle, but it was a light-hearted talk. He was laughing and joking, and didn’t seem to completely realize the seriousness of his alcoholic behavior.

And [boldSynesthesia[/bold], if you’re still around: Takahashi also talked about how he [italic]often[/italic] threw his mobile and other objects (including food at restaurants) at his coaches, trainers, and manager, when he’d get angry and that’s how he broke 2-3 of his phones. Again, he apologized for his behavior, but was also laughing and didn’t seem to understand just how bad it came across.

Right before Merengue, Takahashi was on Osama no Brunch to promote his apartment building (which is controversial in itself), so his appearance on Merenge was obviously tied to that as it was also brought up during that show. During the ending credits, a Hyoen promo played but I don’t remember any real talk about ice show at all. (I did skip through his cooking stuff.) But they showed photos of his apartment building and interior decorating work.

And Merengue is the show Murakami (USM) co-hosts which only hires Soka Gakkai members for their regulars.

Oh god. He's like the anti-Yuzu of talk shows now.

You said it might be to impress Hashimoto. Does he want her back ?!?

Thanks for the summary. Please let us know if you hear of reactions in the press or from fans, peers, etc.

[quote] Do you have the video link where Hanyu rubs Uno's cheek? I've only seen gif. Just curious what the context was.

No - I can't remember when it was. I'm sure it's in one of these threads, but there are so many! I'll look around a bit. I think they were goofing off backstage - maybe before a medal ceremony - and Yuzuru just rubbed his cheek in an affectionate way and Shoma looked scared to death. Then Yuzuru laughed and made light of it. That's how I remember it anyway.

Welp. Takahashi had me fooled with his new cleaned-up looks.

No, wait! I forgot! He designed the top floor of the exterior of his apartment building (well, condo, really) so it'd look like a "d" (as in "Daisuke," not the good "d.") One of the other co-hosts: "You know, I like to study architecture. I've looked at nobel-prize and other award-winning buildings, and I can't think of anyone who'd design their name into their building like that."

R425 The reaction is already out. Sports papers and most major internet news have covered it. Everyone is disgusted and it's contributing to the anger about his funding.

OMG with the throwing things at people - and now laughing about it! What an entitled little nitwit. Oh, and did I miss the part about DV?

Also, Ting Cui's new FS is choreographed by Katherine Hill.

P.S. Your post came up as I was typing: So the DV is about him designing the floor like a "d". I love the comment by the co-host LOL. Dai seems so oblivious!!

He sounds like a mess and didn't help his popularity one bit. Gross.

I don't understand his behavior. The show was planned and he chose to present himself that way? And he went over the top on purpose? It makes no sense he would damage his reputation like that.

He sounds like a mess and didn't help his popularity one bit. Gross.

Geez, what would we do without you JDC? Thank you so much for the dirt and summary, as always! As much as I enjoy Takahashi's skating I'm definitely not interested enough to watch a creepy 1+ hour show of him myself. He sounds like a mess, and it's always a shame when a skater you enjoy has a questionable character off ice.

Question tho. Why was the apartment project controversial?

R426 I remember that clip. It was memorable because he touched Shoma's cheek in a way that he hadn't done before, which is just pulling at his cheek fat like a baby. This time he reached out slowly and tenderly caressed his cheek like a lover, and Shoma stared owlishly completely frozen, but it also looked like he was going along with it by looking like a lovestruck teenage girl while Yuzu was playing macho lover boy. But then again most of the time when Yuzu plays with Shoma it looks like Shoma is ambushed and just good naturedly goes along with it in half confusion, so.

I found a link to the video but when I click on it it says "This account has been suspended."

I googled "Yuzuru Shoma cheek" and it came up. Well, I'm pretty sure that's it. The caption says it's romantic. (They're wearing their Pyeongchang medals and those white jackets)

Holy shit. Thanks, JDC, for taking the time write out all the details. I have to admit, I initially laughed it off when I thought Dai made an inappropriate, passing comment about Zags and people were just overreacting. I have to ask, is he in his right mind? Who would go on national TV and say these things? Scratch that - most people wouldn't say or do these things in private. I also don't buy that he just went from being a fall-down alcoholic (and going as far back as his skating days) to completely sober simply because he started skating again.

Maybe this is farfetched, but I'm wondering if this is an act of self-sabotage - he doesn't really want to go on competing, knows he not competitive anymore, but doesn't want to disappoint his fans or the people around him, so he has a massive meltdown on TV to force his own re-retirement.

R436 well I support your theory. He practically performed social suicide.

R435 I'm the one who ask for video link. I've seen that particular clip/gif on Tumblr. I was just curious as to why Hanyu did that. Then I remember he likes to tease people, esp Uno.

I think Hanyu said something to Uno after he rubs his cheek. I wonder what it was?

I just realized we were promised Double Vagina!! Can't just be the design thing, right? Where's the Double Vagina??!!

Well, JDC, despite your failing to deliver on the V2, I just want to say how much I appreciate your coming to entertain us with stories of misfits, whores and drunkards for almost a year now. Your crisp and elegant writing style makes the tawdry details even more absurd and hilarious.

We got a little ahead of ourselves with the DV thing, unfortunately. That's probably too straight for Takahashi. Although maybe not on second thought.

But JDC mentioned "DV" upthread before the summaries.

Maybe that's what Dai meant when he said the "d" in the design for Daisuke was not the "good d" (which is double vagina? - though I'd think it might be "dick" that would be the "good d" for him, lol) But why be using naughty terms in English? I'm so confused... All of Dai's acting out has me confused. I really don't get him at all.

I remember when he was a sportcaster during Pyeongchang and he also had some kind of other show on a Japanese network at about the same time -- doing special shows about people doing exciting or unusual things? Oh something like that. And he quit - and said that kind of work was just too hard for him. But it seemed like such a great job to go to after skating - since he doesn't seem like the coaching type lol.

But now I guess he'll be a real estate tycoon (a la Trump? could Dai be Shinzo Abe's successor?) Oh I need to go to bed - and I had the nerve to call Yuzu an "enigma"!

LOL oh shit, I remember all the theories about Dai on here about him being petty and a diva. Throwing his phone. Getting kicked off his tv job because of refusing to interview Hanyu (despite some talk too that it was the other way around). Now I actually can believe some of that.

JDC spilling the details on Dai ruining himself on Japanese tv is why I'm on DL. It's amazing how much the rest of the English speaking world as well as those pretentious PG-13 forums are missing out on.

The Japanese are just cringey humans by nature

R418 I dont have anything to do with Dai. I havent speak about him at all.I dont have an opinion. So what are you reffering to and why about me? I posted about Ten and wishing death to him by japaneses psycho fans and those ubers started talking about Dai just like that. They hate him for some reason I dunno.So please dont insinuate that i was defending him back then or something lke so it makes me a fan because you' re lying.

Hopefully he'll deliver more at FAOI.

Shindler's List from DW? Well, there goes Jason's chance to remain relevant. Unless judges decide that Jewish+SL=Artistic but holy shit's gonna be boring.

Also, thanks JDC for the dirt, that's some fascinating reading. Sure looks like Takahashi went downward spiral after he retired. I'm also suspecting some sort of a deliberate self-sabotage because it seem like he knows his words and behavior is unacceptable but runs with it? The shit he said about drinking is very human but that's the sort of thing you admit years after you finish your your career. Then again from everything that was said here, he's always suffered from being too honest and without a filter.

R448 thanks JDC. Is it possible that he just doesn’t feel he can do anything wrong? He did get lots of press and fans in the audience during JNats. Maybe he thinks people love him no matter what now? Kind of like Trump saying he could shoot someone on the street and his supporters would still follow him.

It’s hard to believe he doesn’t have better PR managers since he is part of a big agency.

I kind of feel bad for him. Maybe he needs some medications, I think he's been depressed/and or unhappy for a long time.

[quote] The Japanese are just cringey humans by nature

Huh? I don't think any American (Trump) or Brit (Brexit) has any room to talk. Hell, half the planet has gone bonkers. Sartre was right - hell is other people.

I believe FaOI tickets are officially sold out. I think Scott Moir had it right that it’s really Yuzu’s ice show

[quote] I kind of feel bad for him. Maybe he needs some medications, I think he's been depressed/and or unhappy for a long time.

That's what worries me. If he really is a narcissist, then they often kind of fall apart when the fame diminishes or they lose the limelight. If he really still has addiction issues, well that explains everything. Although I don't think it's ever easy for a superstar to step down - lots of former Olympians spiral down. Not all though. But you need to have your head screwed on very well to handle the highs and lows of mega-stardom, and yeah, I think Dai had that, in his country and in his field. But it was kinda ripped away fairly soon - but isn't that usually true in figure skating? 28 is practically elderly for a singles star.

[quote] I believe FaOI tickets are officially sold out. I think Scott Moir had it right that it’s really Yuzu’s ice show

I remember last year there was one stop that Yuzu couldn't do because of a sports awards show. And it was the only one that didn't sell out immediately. There were reports that Sendai hotels were booking up in December.

You know, weren't there a lot more cities last summer for FaoI. Like eight or ten? And this year, only four - none near Tokyo? (Makuhari：5.24-5.26 Sendai：5.31-6.2 Kobe：6.7-6.9 Toyama：6.14-6.16) If that's true, I wonder why. Because it's what Yuzu wanted? I was thinking most of the men have some sort of special relationship with Yuzu - Plush, Weir, Buttle, Oda, Lambiel (who can forget their ballroom dance hold with the hand on the butt, not the back?)

R453 Every skater is a narcissist. Yuzuru as well

But wouldn't sportscasting and hosting his own tv series be enough for your typical narcissist? He said it was hard - but how could it possibly be as hard as staying relevant in figure skating in the quad era? He had the looks, the poise, I mean, Oda is doing great - surely Dai could have surpassed him, if he'd just tried.

R454 it was 5 sites last year

Makuhari (May 25-27), Kanazawa (June 1-3), Kobe (June 15-17), Niigata (June 22-24) and Shizuoka (June 29-July 1).

R456 Did he dislike announcing or did he fail at it. I’m honestly asking cause I don’t know. He doesn’t have oda’s Personality and campiness.

R457 Oh ok - I didn't remember very well. I guess the repeated dates in some cities had me confused that it was more places.

R458 I remember he 'said' something that really struck me - although I don't remember the exact words now lol. Something with the feel of: "It's a hell of a tough business - too tough for me!" And you've got a point - there's only one Oda. Zag said he was the funniest person in the world. And that's with the language barriers! He really is a delightful person.

I think he announced before his special series had even finished that he wouldn't be continuing. But all the stuff he said could mean either thing - that he quit - or that he was fired and they didn't announce it that way, and he just said it wasn't the thing for him.

seems PChiddy was able to overcome his narcissism and find a place for himself after competing. I appreciate the fact that Chan was able to actually speak positively about Hanyu after all these years. I wonder if it’s Dai’s personality or his agency that limits him from mentioning Yuzu in any way. Olympics was an exception.

No one can be Oda in the business, being funny as an entertainer, also welcoming and nice to all his junior skaters on and off screen, and still be objective on their strengths and weaknesses as a commentator/reporter.

Dai is the better artist and more popular skater in his generation, but he can only wish he had that level of EQ skills.

[quote] On a different note, does it make me a bad person to feel vindicated on Weir's behalf? Look at him being invited to skate in big shows with huge, even sold out, crowds year after year while that used-to-be huge one that banned him doesn't seem too far off from the point of simply struggling to keep afloat? I'm surprised he's not gloating about it publicly. Or is he and I just missed it, not being a follower of social media accounts? Anyway, I'm not even a Weir fan, not by a long shot, but despite all the injustices going on in the world, small confirmations that justice does exist like this reaffirms my faith somewhat.

And of all the stars of his era, Johnny is the one who's announcing for NBC. Or is that more Tara's doing? In any case, the network had to approve of him. Who would have thunk it, all those years ago.

So Conrad Orzel was a "demonstrator" at a skating camp in Colorado? Was he demonstrating how to splat?

Was Weir in FaOI before Yuzu?

So will Dai be able to come back from this? Or he is the crazy alcoholic pervert forever now

The talk about Takahashi's alcoholism reminded me to this gala around in 2014:

Dai's minders slipped up. Shizuka is even doing Yuzu's show - I don't think she did last year.

R454 Five locations is the most they've ever done and that was last year. The average is 3-4, but there were years where they only went to one or two places. All of the skaters you named were popular long before Hanyu and with the exception of Buttle, joined FaOI before Hanyu became the top skater. Lambiel, Plushenko, and Weir have been part of the cast since it's iteration in 2010. For sure Fernandez and Nam were added because of their connection to Hanyu, but they joined in 2013 while Arakawa was still the MC. Hanyu is the main draw today, but it still isn't his show where he gets to call all of the shots.

R453 Takahashi was never a superstar. He became known to an extent after he medaled at the Olympics, but Mao was the superstar and Ando was and is more famous than him. Now Oda, too. Ladies skating was more popular during his time and while he was the most popular of the Japanese men, he competed against guys like Plushenko, Joubert, Weir, Lambiel, who all had a lot of fans in Japan.

R456 He's a terrible public speaker and could never surpass Oda. There's a reason why he was made a "sports navigator" and never a true sportscaster or commentator. He also felt he wasn't suited for that kind of work and didn't seem to enjoy it. He enjoys more creative and artistic projects, like interior decorating, and organizing theatrical ice shows and dance shows. But he's always struggled with his desire for fame and attention, and jealousy issues (which fueled some of his fans anti behavior) according to himself.

I'll answer other questions later.

R469 Even I know his cyber swan from 2007 and ladies there screaming and yelling during his short was creepy. Sorry but I havent seen such behaviour nowadays

[R464] Why doesn't Conrad ever smile? Bad teeth?

It seems Japan appreciated weir long before the US. Not sure if US , even now, l appreciates his skating.

Oh please. Daisuke is a huge star, maybe not as big as Mao, but certainly moreso than Miki freaking Ando. Someone here has an agenda. And I'm pretty sure his reputation will stay intact outside of a few delusional people who want to keep pushing this "perv alcoholic narcissist" agenda.

What agenda? He went and made himself look that way on TV. We're discussing why on earth he would do such thing. People who now say he's a perv aren't coming with that out of nowhere because is right there for everybody to see. And he obviously has/had a problem with alcohol, that's no joke, I for one, hope he overcomes that soon.

473 JDC said Ando is more famous. I'm assuming that includes infamy, so while I was surprised to hear that at first, I can see it. I'm amazed you can read that account of what came straight from Dai's mouth and still think people criticizing him have an agenda. I loved/love his skating but he's really fucked himself over with this one. This was one of the less objectionable things he did but I can't help but think that Dai pretending to be straight must have looked and sounded 10xs more gross and desperate than it reads.

R475 Pretending to be straight looks gross and desperate? lol actors and fame whores have beards to pretend that they re not gays. How old are you?

Perving over a 16-year-old might not be the best way to go back in the closet, after coming out. He's just weird, poor guy.

But I thought he was huge, too, and a lot of the stuff thrown at Yuzu in Sochi was originally intended for Dai? Like maybe not a star as a skater, a la Mao, but a sex object type idol for the ladies - who now tote their Poohs all over the planet -- the ones who aren't still pining for Dai - is that still a big group? maybe not but they sure are vocal (fanatical?)

The details here are far far worse than any translation I've seen on Twitter. The specificity of his comments on Zag's body + how long he dwelled on it, his comments about Murakami's body, his behavior towards the adult model and comments on her body. The fangurls on my Twitter are lighting up over what they think is one comment, some of them even think this is what people do on Japanese shows and maybe it's not that bad in that context. Dai has the additional bad luck of this happening in the off-season, when little else is going on. I wonder how his PR people are going to handle this.

16 years old are not naive virgins. They show a lot more on instagram

I don't know... a 33-year-old going on like that about a minor.

But the show is at fault. Like JDC said, this was planned by the producers, who had the photos of their legs ready.

At least we're talking about Dai now. Maybe this is better than being a Nowhere Man? Or maybe that's the calculation? Better notorious than fading into the woodwork. Now Yuzu, top this !!

Actually, Yuzu doesn't need to top anything - his place is secure. But isn't this overshadowing Uno, Tomono, the other young guys? Get busy Itsuki!! Tell us about Shoma's bedtime habits!

[quote] 16 years old are not naive virgins. They show a lot more on instagram

What? Are you serious R479 ?

R482 Unfortunately not

R482 Since that post doesn't show up for me, it must be Daitroll, whose hirsute 70-year-old cherry remains unpopped and unsullied and who imagines that if any living thing had complimented its hairy, gelatinous thighs and buttocks at 16, it would have gladly given it up and saved itself a lifetime of hurling shit at strangers on the internet for a little attention and company.

There's a reason most people don't respond to what seems like the grossest, most psycho posts on this thread. Most of us have Daitroll blocked and can't see them.

R484 I am a woman, in my 20s. Not so disgusting faggot like you who loves young boys and masturbate to pictures. AND you call others creepy when he talks about 16 years old??Lol you re creeepy as well, dumbass. Looking at ass in jpg is LAME

Based on the posts I can see versus number of missing posts, daitroll must be off it’s meds. Can all those who haven’t already, please block. Then we can go back to how dai needs PR and alcohol rehab and look forward to glimpses of Yuzu’s abs during FaOI

Yes , I said abs, but I know on the DL, most of you read “ass”... confess

R487 Guilty.

So creepy faggot lets look at some small flat hanyus ass. It is not creepy at all. Not at all.Completely normal .hahahaha Old faggots in their 40s love looking at 24 years old boy ass. Who is sick here?

I actually don't mind laughing at Daitroll. That's why I'm here. For the unfiltered.

R490 Thats the point . We should laugh at each other. Those boring oldies are so creepy but they re so sensitive to other people. They cannot laugh at themselves

I'm not defending anything Dai did and said on that show. As far as I'm concerned most of it was questionable to gross and he dug his own grave then and there. He had enough attention, media interest, job offers, sponsors as well as an idol status in the eyes of younger skaters and a fan following of respectable size. He was able to sell tickets. This was a horrible, completely unnecessary move and I can't fathom what the fuck he/his PR team was thinking.

That said, it's not that far-fetched to believe he's into both genders. I remember him having a crush on a number of females throughout the years. Aya Ueto, Sarina Suzuki, CL, Meryl Davis. There were a few more whose names I can't recall. And judging from social media it seemed like he hooked up with a female classmate during his stint in NY. She didn't come across like a beard, because he never mentioned her on his ig account and she alluded to having a fling with him on hers in a relatively subtle way. They mostly went out in a group with two other girls but during a trip to Florida it seemed likely Dai and her shared a hotelroom. When he returned to Japan she wrote a cheesy love poem without mentioning his name but the timing gave away who it was intended for. Anyway you had to specifically go looking for her account or stumble onto it by clicking through several accounts of people he hung out with (which is what I did) to know about this at all.

Shcherbakova announced her SP music — "Perfume: The Story of a Murderer" soundtrack

R493 is she going senior this coming season? Never heard of this soundtrack. Any good?

[quote], Meryl Davis.

R492 you lost me right there.

R493 u mean like at 1:45

Oops meant r492

Junhwan Cha: Korean tv documentary or something – from April [from his thread at GC]:

- He "enjoys eating" but couldn't because he was "living a hermit's life" in Canada - His ideal type is still Song Jihyo the actress, but he has developed an interest in Chungha (singer) - He has been on his diet plan since he was 13 (Cereal for breakfast, some rice, unsalted meat, and vegetables for lunch and dinner) - Seems to be less embarrassed of his K&C/CF model past - He almost cried after finishing his free during the Olympics (he mentioned the relief of having gone through all those injuries as the first reason) - He does cardio workouts by himself on Sundays (his only day off) - "Going to school is fun too"

Dai just came.

R494 Yes, she is. Well, music itself is quite good but Gleich "Scissorhands" will sure butcher it mercilessly.

R499 what

I saw this question being asked at GS: "Can Zagitova hold off the 3A?" I think if she delivers like at worlds, she can still make the team. Unfortunately Kostornaia doesn't have the strongest TES and no way would they give the other two bigger PCs

R501 the slim calves/ankles and thick thighs and butts are just his thing.

R503 lmao. Of course.

Dai, I have what you want! Call me! Woof!

r493 Serial murder, orgy and cannibalism, what a great choice!

Riiiight. I had forgotten about that huge orgy at the end of the film. I wonder whether she actually saw the movie. Though I feel like Russians are just generally unruffled.

R507 Trusova did skate to Big Spender at 13 lol

[R506] Has Mariah Bell already anounced her new programs?

r509 The Texas Chain Saw Massacre

R509 I Stab People by Insane Clown Posse

And Higurashi no Naku Koro ni for an exhibition

R509 The First Cut Is The Deepest

R509 I heard it was this song . She already has the costume picked out

I thought Dai was gay and whatever he was saying about girls body I still think he’s gay for some reason.

R515 Of course he's gay. Look at it this way, if Johnny Weir, before officially coming out, went on a TV show and complimented Michelle Kwan's ass, would that convince you he's straight? Let's use some common sense here. Only crazy Dai fanatics like R492 would use this opportunity to slowly transition him back into the closet.

It doesn’t see like Dai possibly being gay is the main issue. He commented on the physique of a minor and talked about pissing on his bed and commented on some models side boob. Anything else I’m missing ?

R502 People taking that question seriously are fools. Whether she delivers like at Worlds or not, makes no difference. The judges decide the skill level of each skater and give out scores, not the other way around. Zags is currently the most perfect skater in the history of the COP era, her untouchable skill level decided by the judges just like Med before her. It just all depends on who Russia wants to push to Beijing.

R515 seeing your picture reminds me - Dai's face has been looking different recently. Has he had work done or did he just get fat?

R517 There's Double Vagina somewhere in there too.

R517 The problem is YOU RE DOING THE SAME HERE

R519 He gained weigh. He looks healthy and the new hair is a plus, it all contrasts with the meltdown.

R522 Yes, he looks good, especially with the hair. He just looks more "refreshed" than fat. Sincere question - do wrinkles around your eyes and the deep lines we see in R515 disappear when you gain weight?

Here, let's admire this airbrushed fantasy

R524 Beautiful. I dig it.

I like Dai, I just wished he could have been more gracious when he was no longer Japan’s #1. Everything about his personality seems so insecure. He has and had so much going for him.

I missed something when I skipped through the cooking portion of Takahashi’s segment on Merengue. He said he doesn’t eat rice at dinner anymore because he gets his grains from alcohol instead.

R433 SkyCourt is targeting Takahashi fans, who may not have the funds, to invest in the condos and allow the company to manage and rent them out. They say you can replace your pension and life insurance with the potential income. But they have many complaints from buyers and renters, such as pushing high interest-rate loans, low to no returns, charging hidden monthly fees, poor management and building maintenance, etc. They also have high staff overturn, which likely contributes to some of those problems.

R475 Yes. Ando received a lot of media attention as a young skater for her quad and has been a tabloid darling since her teens. In fact, the paparazzi were far worse in the 2000s to Ando than they’ve ever been to Hanyu. You could say Ando was the first real celebrity skater. Everyone knew “Mikitty” (her nickname she shared with an idol from Morning Musume) even if they’d never watched her skating and she’s still the celeb everyone loves to hate today. Arakawa is also more known to the public than Takahashi thanks to her OGM, though she’s not particularly popular. Everyone knows her ina bauer. It almost like a meme.

R473 Knew you couldn’t resist. Any reason why you haven’t posted about Merengue in his GS fanfest yet? It’s so unlike you. And low and behold, you were also the one who always got upset about the Med ribbing, yet you like to do the same to other skaters yourself.

When I see footage of Dai in his home now, I won't be able to take my mind off the fact that it must smell like urine.

R527 There was definitely a link to the Merengue segment in Dai's fanfest a few days ago (posted by Synesthesia herself, I'm *pretty* sure). She linked to the cooking segment, but likely didn't realize the show contained all this other incendiary stuff (because she doesn't understand Japanese!). The post has since been deleted.

That's lo and behold, not "low and behold."

r529 That's hilarious. So she thinks it was bad herself. Thank you!

r473 I'm sorry to have doubted you.

R 507 Sweeney Todd : The Demon Barber of Street fleet.

* fleet street

R527

[quote]SkyCourt is targeting Takahashi fans, who may not have the funds, to invest in the condos and allow the company to manage and rent them out. They say you can replace your pension and life insurance with the potential income. But they have many complaints from buyers and renters, such as pushing high interest-rate loans, low to no returns, charging hidden monthly fees, poor management and building maintenance, etc.

This, and not anything that's been said about Dai here or elsewhere, may be the turning point for me. He's participating in a scheme to rip off his own gullible, probably elderly fans? There are few things worse than targeting vulnerable people who have no means to recover after you swindle them.

R533, I agree that is the worst part and not anything else he may have said for shock value.

Japan is kinda don't ask, don't tell on the gay stuff so Dai is staying in the closet publicly.

New thread.

R533 that’s so sad. I remember a show that talked about skating fans who follow Yuzu across the country saying they are not all rich, but save most of they vacation and extra money for figure skating. I’m guessing Dai fans are similar if they are asking fans to invest pensions and life insurance

TSL 5/12 – Part 1. “Eteri...Perfume the Story of a Murderer.” 2 D:“we break down Polina Shuboderova's interview about training with Eteri Tutberdize, now w/Nikolai Morozov, I imagine in Hackensack, where I dropped in on Gracie and Misha...” 5 Eteri gave her 3 months to work out & showed indifference to her (a typical Russian tactic D thinks they’re trained to do). 8 She worked all day, tired/injured – wd practice jumps 100 times a day, 200 if necessary. 12 D: Why is this girl switching to Israel when she cd move to pairs? 13 All Eteri girls enter jumps from a “back spin” position, which is why they look the same. Polina skated w/broken toe because that’s a minor injury for Eteri. 17 You’re weighed every day & only 200 gram deviance allowed. 19 Kurt Browning says he won between 144 and 147 lbs (now he’s 148.5) so range is ok 21 But D says fixating on 0.44 pounds will eff someone up for life. 24 At a camp, Polina had another injury; Eteri turned cold & told her to leave or be demoted. Polina gave up. D thinks Russian coaches are trained to break students down & it’s abusive. 30 From what Eteri told Polina (you’re done!) D believes she did tell Med to retire & have babies. 34 Polina says boys can’t take the pressure of seeing the girls do so many quads in front of them so they’re ashamed. D says Nathan doesn’t do 4Lz & 4F every day bec his body can’t handle it but that wdn’t be allowed w/Eteri.

TSL 5/12 – Part 2 - 36 D What will happen w/Kostornaia? – injury; no 3A last yr; just did 3S in show – not healed? 38 D thinks if Rika can do 3A +quad, she’ll be the leader; may only need both at GPF/Worlds. Skating skills haven’t been judged fairly – if they were, Trusova and Shcherb wd struggle. 40 Shcherb’s Perfume music: murder/cannibalism/orgy: are they trying to mature her for seniors? The music reminded J of Danny G. D thinks she (&Zag) are his faves 42 Tarah and Danny did new short in a show, someone said “he looks much better w/o a painted rug on his head” = remix of Sweet Dreams/A Wrinkle in Time (chor Charlie White). Quoting their friend Robby, it’s “not cheesy like Ashley’s from a few yrs ago” (but D never expected more from her). 43 Alexa/Chris working on stroking w/Gordeeva. D&J wonder why they’re not on SoI. Why so much ice dance, not pairs? US/CAN shows don’t cultivate skaters (besides Liu/Gogo). Is it bec Alexa/Chris aren’t IMG? DoI tour’s gotten lazy. 48 D saw & was impressed by Orser/Haw camp, teaching fundamentals (but how can Orzel/KChen help younger skaters like recent camp in Colorado?) 49 At the Misha Ge camp D saw, Ge was on the mike playing the most generic warhorses & telling them to just improvise/Gracie just watched. No 1-on-1 feedback.“Such a waste of time and money.” D explains how USfed cd do better w/young talent.

TSL 5/12 – Part 3 - 53 Liu spent a month at TCC & worked w/Lori. She’s getting the right attention – others aren’t. China otoh forks over the money to have Lori come over and STAY. Liu did a 4Lz last yr in a warmup/worked on it recently. Her jumps more leggy than Russians but still iffy/she has time. 59 ID? Tiffany/Jonathan +some Russian maybe making a comeback ?? Then loads about “Musical Operetta/Broadway” next season – Hubbell Donohue Bye Bye Birdie I lost them here…I think they name every musical ever made… 1.09 D “Can we do Rent and have someone, please not Mark, maybe Hubbell & Zach cd do the whole Lesbian love argument scene (many other suggestions) 1.10 Actor Anthony Rapp hit on Jonathan when he was 16; D: and he noticed MY zipper was undone! He was Kevin Spacey though. J: “Well that’s rich” 1.14 J: If I have to tolerate anyone doing Schindler’s List, it shd be Jason. Hope he brings “soul” to it, not just pretty positions. 1.17 D may have said Gabby’s leaving Canada for US? Deanna’s trying out with Maxime Deschamps 1.22 Speaking of houses burning down, Kurt Browning’s did because of a leaf blower 1.23 D wants to do a Patreon message-board but not the fangurl “I hate so&so” type – but serious stuff. END

Dammit Takahashi. I actually like your skating.

But all of this make me respect Hanyu more. He's always good at handling the media and genuinely a nice person. I"m not saying he has no flaws. But I think he's an admirable young man.

See, lm not such a bad guy

Thx TSL troll, I’m surprised there was no mention Gogo ditching TCC for Raf

Between Takahashi and Lysacek idk who's given us more entertainment this week. Now we just need some juicy Plushy scandals to complete our Vancouver podium.

Bless this place and JDC and TSL troll for keeping real skating news and gossips alive. You're our savior!!

Coach/choreographer Misha Ge is in LA with Tomono

Oh they did - but since that was in the last recap, I skipped it. They were defending their correct assertion (that Gogo's going to Raf) and saying that so many people told them they were full of b.s. That's when the Gabby thing came up but Dave got sidetracked and didn't finish his sentence dammit. something like "Gabby's going..." and then he wandered off subject - but soon after, he said something like, "Well, we sent Jason to Canada and they sent Gogo to us, so so what?" but it seemed related to his passing half-comment about Gabby. Guess I should have asked in the comments but like to stay anonymous. They didn't say anything substantive or new about Gogo being w/Raf though - just sort of crowing that they were right. Well, that Dave was right. That he hears things and sees things sometimes that ppl don't know about.

R546 thank you for saving me 90 minutes of my life

Drama

I think Skate Victoria has been cancelled!

Replaced by the 15th DVTK-AVAS Cup....no-one noticed the first 14 editions

There still Skate Helena in January.

And the Halloween Cup from Budapest

the Santa Klaus Cup from Budapest

and the Valentine Cup from Budapest

The scores were already "funny" at Tallinn Trophy when it was a Challenger. Now demoted to a mere Senior Bs, I guess they will become even more funny...

Ah, Golden Bear of Zagreb is confirmed. It always sounds as something out of gay club scene but anyway.

Fernandez is going to do a class at Ice Rink Sendai for beginners in grades 1-6.

It’s blowing up. More news sites are reporting backlash to the Zagitova quiz from viewers. People are calling Takahashi’s words sexual harassment, criticizing the use and sexualizing of minors, accusing the show of discounting the hard work of female athletes.

Renho (@renho_sha), one of Japan’s most annoying but also one of Japan’s most recognizable politicians, retweeted a lawyer (@katepanda2) criticizing the Zagitova quiz and asked why no one at Merengue saw it was a problem. She has half a million followers, which might not seem like a lot, but the prime minister only has 1.3 million, and it’s been picked up by Daily Sports. https://twitter. com /renho_sha/status/1127660853300350976

I noticed the photo used for Zagitova was from GPF where she’s wearing large bandages/tape over her knee, which makes me more convinced the segment really wasn’t about anyone’s legs or “preferences,” but a very stupid and half-assed attempt to bring up the Russian girls, who‘ll be appearing on TV and in ice shows in Japan this and next month. They couldn’t bring them up during the bed-wetting and condo building talk, so they did it during the ideal women talk, and it gave them an excuse to show their photos (they revealed the full photos after Takahashi made his guesses), and perhaps Soka Gakkai has made the staff too stupid and creepy to realize just how inappropriate it was. But Takahashi made it worse with the gross butt and thigh comments.

R539 Thank you! They’ve called Ge’s Tosca “yuck” and unsophisticated, then trashed the Seven Rings ex, and now this. I guess they don’t plan to have him on the show again.

R544 Thank you.

R477 He was a sex symbol to his fans and the gay community, but never became a huge star outside figure skating although the Olympics helped him achieve fame to some degree. In addition to being overshadowed by Mao, he was competing in recognition and popularity against the likes of Ichiro, Matsui, Ma-kun, Ryosuke Kitajima, Ryo Ishikawa, Yu Darvish, Keisuke Honda, Kohei Uchimura, Kei Nishikori, etc.

R533 I don’t think it’s his intention to put anyone in debt. I think it was more about having the opportunity to design an apartment building and have his name and initial built into it. But he did sound quite shady when he was unveiling his building in January. At first, it sounded like usual sales-talk. He designed all of the exterior and interior of the building. Oh, he’d even like to live in it himself. Everything reflects his personal tastes... Maybe he’ll buy one of the condos, too.

But then, on what he’d think of a woman who bought condos for investment, he said: “I've spent all my life skating and don’t know much about regular society, so I’d think she’s really responsible and would probably protect/take care of me if she lived by me. Like, 'She’s so cool.' If a woman like that would live nearby, it'd give a man a sense of security. He could relax and do what he wants.”

It’s the last two paragraphs:

Thanks JDC for your continuous updates on the dai saga! Tho i do wonder if the Merengue show have any incentives to promote the RUS girls that will be appearing in FaOI? Merengue belongs to NTV and NTV is the sponsor for Hyoen. The official hyoen account also tweeted about Dai and Kanako’s appearance on the show. FaOI braodcasts are associated with asahi and fuji network, so I doubt the producers had the intention to promote them.

Upon checking the hyoen site on their ticket sales, I noticed the show dates for Hyoen (7.26-28) overlaps with the show dates for The ICE Osaka (7.27-28). I’m quite surprise USM has both of its skaters headlining two ice different shows on the same weekend.

As always new season will start at the beginning of August with Lake Placid Ice Dance International and Philadelphia Summer International.

The other International events for the first half of August are

Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy (5-9th, in Hong Kong), The Tayside Trophy (9-13th, somehwere in Scotland) and NRW Summer Trophy (10-11th, in Durtmund).

Tayside Trophy is a new thing.

I guess we can get "San" there.

I will echo everyone's sentiments and say what would we do without JDC throwing us a lifeline during the off-season and TSL Troll taking one for the team and unpacking the mess that is a TSL video! As for TSL suddenly turning on Ge after having him on the show, it seems par for the course for them. I'm always surprised by people actually agreeing to be interviewed by them when they know they'll just be trashed one video later.

The Ice Dance Silver medallist at Junior World CHampionships have split.

As usual, you can count on the Junior Russian Ice Dance splits and potential dramas.

R552 I don't think Dai intended to defraud anyone either. However, at best you can say he participated in a business venture targeting his fans without looking into the details of what he was selling them. And, as you are pointing out, he's allowing himself to be used/using himself as bait in a gross way (and in a way that's trying to hook the most delusional fans who think they can live next to him and protect him). Sometimes ill-intentioned people and careless people end up in the same place. And when you're a 33-year-old man, you have to take responsibility either way.

[quote] Fernandez is going to do a class at Ice Rink Sendai for beginners in grades 1-6

i hope he is doing this for free, otherwise seems opportunistic

So Javi is expected to just give free charity classes for the rest of his life or else he is "opportunistic"? How do you think skaters are supposed to make a living after they retire? Or are you just being weirdly territorial because it is in Sendai?

R559 could be part of the agreement. I mean, that weird flamenco gig suddenly incorporated into faoi. So he does this class in return.

On Takahashi and the shady business, a lot of celebs buy a business, let others run it, and just plaster their name over it to make it sell. If they get high-fives for the good even when they aren't doing much, then it makes sense they face the criticism too.

R557 and Khudaberdieva took her IG post now. The post when she said they were not even saying hello to each other. And that it was not her fault.

Synesthesia, you ARE on DL. I have to say, I like your grumpy, cunty DL persona much more than your perky GS one. I'm also glad you dropped the faux politeness from the first few threads. Just be your best cunty self here! You should post the hot pics of Dai here too. Hot messes are always appreciated on DL.

r560 duh, of course because its Sendai, targetting little kids who want to be like Yuzu in his hometown?? If he was doing the same in other FaOI locations, I might not consider this sooo opportunistic. I hope that is the case

r564 which post are you calling out?

R565 I'm just talking about the same posts JDC is, but I'm not calling out anyone - I meant it sincerely. I love Dai's skating and am glad to have other Dai fans here; I'm also glad to have people who don't turn a blind eye to the fact that he's a real mess. I want him to get better. I think he's kind of lost and that's sad because his skating, even when he was injured and struggling was more enjoyable to watch than most of the men's field today.

I'm also kind of annoyed that his more crazy fans made it impossible for him and Hanyu to have any kind of on-ice relationship because the kind of feeling and beauty they bring to skating is all but lost in the quad era. Let this sink in: Nathan fucking Chen's PCS scores, including in performance and interpretation are HIGHER than Daisuke Takahashi's scores. Kill me now.

I hope I haven't already posted it - it's a video about the trainings that Brian and Tracy do in China. Towards the end, it says there will be six training seminars that Orser/Tracy will do with China before the Olympics – the next one is May 20-24.

R551 Can't believe TSL has managed to make me feel sorry for Misha Ge. He's an annoying attention-whore, but he is also trying to make a living. One thing for us to make fun of him here, but TSL has an audience that includes his peers and future employers. They saw one public training session and are dragging his reputation based on that? Seems harsh. Anyway, I'm sure Misha will do something to make me hate him again.

R542 Takahiko! You've been quiet. Now that you're rid of the wife and most respectable employment opportunities, the full-time whoring must be sapping all your energy!! Should we expect a few sex tapes mid-summer?

Oh I misunderstood. There will be six training seminars by Brian/Tracy in China JUST THIS YEAR, in preparation for the Olys, the next one in May.

I was thinking that didn't sound like enough. Who knows how often they'll go in 2020 and 2021. I haven't seen Brian skating that much, in a while. I've been worried about his health. Maybe he's ok. (lay off the rot gut, ok Bri? You can't drink like you did in your 30s and 40s)

[quote] They saw one public training session and are dragging his reputation based on that? Seems harsh. Anyway, I'm sure Misha will do something to make me hate him again.

Now I'm trying to remember - I type stuff up as they talk and by necessity have to leave a lot out or my stupid summaries would be wayyy too long. I 'think' Dave threw in there "This is just the part that I saw." But WHY make such a big deal of how useless the class was if he only saw a few minutes? It definitely seemed intended to diss Misha (and hell, even worse for Gracie - she was just "standing around") And he tends to be - or pretend to be - sympathetic towards Gracie, through her struggles (and god he hates Vincent Restencourt (sp?) - even more than Tom Z, if that's possible, implying all sort of legal/sexual shenanigans in Europe that Vincent supposedly ran away from)

R570 Thanks for clarifying TSL Troll.

Sorry if this is already common knowledge, but I don't really keep up with ID - what's the gossip on Igor Shpilband? Why was he summarily dismissed from Canton in 2012?

R571 big bitchfight with Zueva. Zueva won and got the rink manager to dismiss Shpilband. Epic Ice Drama of that summer as many top teams were training there.

Main names (Davis/White, Virtue/Moir, Shibutanis) stayed with Zueva.

Chcok/Bates and Tobias/Stagniūnas went to Novi with Igor.

For comparison, here's an account of someone who took part on the Misha Ge and Gracie Gold seminar, and was actually very complimentary, saying she managed to land double jumps she hadn't been able to land before.

R572 Thanks very much. Okay, so it was basically what was reported. I just remember Igor suing and wondered if anything else other than the bitch fight was uncovered.

Shpilband is a boring choreographer. He is supposed to be the technician. Indeed, he used to be good for his teams to get the levels. Mind you, some would say his teams got the levels when there were certain technical specialists on the panel (Ponomarenko, Dostatni).

Ponomarenko's son has trained with Shpilband since 2014. Ponomarenko retired as ISU Technical Specialist last year But ISU tend to ignore this kind of conflict of interests.

At least we haven't had yet a judge-skater public affair. Even, if we came close. Zuerlein (of Chock/Zuerlein, former Junior World Champs) and the French judge started dating 3-4 months after Zuerlein retired.

R553 BS NTV and CTV (NTV affiliate) broadcast The Ice, which is an IMG show. CTV sponsors the Nagoya shows. Merengue is a NTV show that broadcasts on CTV in Chubu. Kose sponsors Dreams on Ice, a CIC show, which is held at the Kose Shin-Yokohama Skate Center. Kose is Merengue’s main sponsor. FaOI is a CIC show. Both Zagivota (who’s appearing in all ice shows) and Med (represented by IMG and doing a CIC show) also filmed some shows the last time they were in Japan that haven’t aired yet, so there may be more connections.

Hyoen is held in Yokohama, so there won’t be any overlap with The Ice Osaka.

R561 is correct. Fernandez’s Sendai class is sponsored by Mitsui Fudosan Realty (FaOI Sendai’s platninum sponsor) and in honor of FaOI Sendai. It’s only an hour and for about 50 kids. No participation fees are listed.

R542 I hear Mura is doing Toyota Gazoo Racing 86/BRZ. Why aren’t you doing it again? Oh, yeah... Your team is banned for a year for car doping.

[quote]car doping

JDC, you unearth the weirdest shit.

"Both Zagivota (who’s appearing in all ice shows) and Med (represented by IMG and doing a CIC show) also filmed some shows*" shows

That's supposed to be "filmed some TV shows." Sorry.

R578 thanks JDC for the Fernandez info. I agree with r589 ... the weirdest shit....

Recent Med interview. Here are the questions about Hanyu:

Q: Alina Zagitova in one word?/A: hard worker

Q: Liza Tuktamysheva in one word?/A: happy. she does not bother about insignificant things. I'm learning this from her

Q: Yuzuru Hanyu in one word?/A: winnie the pooh

Q: why everyone say you are a couple, ship you?/A: zhenya explains what ship is. I don't know, it is not mainstream anymore.... out of fashion to ship me with him... The host: oh it is so cool, I ship you now too!!! Zhenya: I'm so used to fans trying to find me a husband or a boyfriend that I get to notice that and think sometimes: why not? They show me new options

Shipping Med with Hanyu is officially out of fashion, guys. Did she sound sad when she said it

R582 It isn't mainstream anymore ? Still I have been dragged into all of her interviews. But thank God, somehow I can say I worked hard.

Is she encouraging fans to ship so she can get some new ideas for potential bfs? Seriously, this girl.

Better translation: Q: Why does everyone say you and Yuzuru Hanyu is a couple. They like to ship you. A: explain meaning of shipping. Q: sounded cool. I'll ship you too. A: Honestly, I don't know. It is no longer mainstream. It is out of fashion to ship me and him. But I used to my fans trying to find me a husband or a person to date THAT I EVEN SOMETIMES LISTEN TO THE PIECES OF ADVICE. Like why not? THEY GIVE ME OPTIONS.

She knew what shipping meant, she encouraged her fans to ship her with boys then she said she didn't know why they ship her with Hanyu. Woww

It's not as if was ever in fashion but I wonder what makes her think that way now.

Wtf is this thing in Plushy's bed? Is it an animal? Is it a part of one? Vancouver men's podium - you are all fucked up.

She's just looking for her next meal ticket since Hanyu is on the verge of retirement. Med is looking for answers and attention from delusional fans, and encourages the crazies, says a lot.

Screw the shipping garbage, I am more disturbed by the fact that Med can't seem to count to 1.

R566 I would love to see Hanyu and Takahashi skate together. Especially on ice shows like Hyoen. I think it's a unique concept and the costumes are wonderful.

R590 As long as she continues to do CMs, TV shows and ice shows in Japan, Hanyu is still good to use.

For next 30 years

R592 Don't think Dai will like that limelight taken away from him. Has Mao ever done it?

Any more dirt on Kozuka? How's he going to make a living without his richer wife? Is he still invited to skate in any shows? Are peopl actually buying the blades wih his family's name on them?

Dai should shut up and appreciate whatever opportunities he has. Do a phony love duet performance with Mao, a la Boitano and Witt. Anyone find it funny that the tranny Spanish skater "Erni" in Mao's show has to dress up in masculine military garb for the Madame Butterfly program with her?

Repeating the link for the new thread.

I can't see a straight Japanese man from japan being with anyone other than a Japanese woman.

R598 Are you referring to just skaters or from the entire country? Not all weaboos that try to find their oriental soulmate in Japan are all Western men. Med has contemporaries.

R595 This year's show is only the 2nd installment. She didn't do it last time and she obviously won't be invited as long as Arakawa is part of the cast.

R956 Dai invited Mao to Christmas on Ice in 2014 and skated a saccharine duet with her. She was invited again in 2017 but because she had other obligations she only stuck to choreographing a number for her sister and attended the last show as a spectator. Dai also said he'd love to start an ice theater company with her.

They used to be friends. I wonder what she thinks of him now after his embarrassing PR stunt.