OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! PART 2

R502 from pt1, go fuck yourself.

Or walk right into the Notre Dame fire.

Did American Marys cry this much when they saw the great cathedrals of Germany in ruins after WWII as well?

R602, go fuck yourself.

Or walk right into the Notre Dame fire.

Sorry, R502.

Did anyone see the ridiculous advice Trump was sending the French on Twitter about how to put out the fire?

New thread = no swearing or insulting people.

Thanks.

yes, we all saw it - it was featured quite heavily on the last thread.

R5, well, you can do that in some fucking Trump Tower.

Being an illiterate and ignorant moron though, President Plump has got no idea that pouring tons of water onto heated sandstone will eventually result in the sandstone blocks to literally explode.

Has anyone brought up the analogy of the bell tower of St. Mark's in Venice? Built in the middle ages, collapsed suddenly in 1912; they rebuilt it.

The Russian Trolls are posting again. We didn't really need another thread.

Another pic from the inside.

[quote]Being an illiterate and ignorant moron though, President Plump has got no idea that pouring tons of water onto heated sandstone will eventually result in the sandstone blocks to literally explode.

Yup -- that's what the French told Trump.

How long before some right-wing evangelical says Notre Dame's fire was God's wrath for Pete Buttigieg entering the presidential race? After all, Pete is mayor of South Bend, the home of Notre Dame university.

All will be much clearer in the morning.

He's one to talk. Trump Tower doesn't even have sprinklers in the apartments. Someone died a few years ago in an apartment fire in TT because of this.

The fact is that Notre Dame is one of the most famous buildings in the world. Of course people are reacting strongly.

[quote]Being an illiterate and ignorant moron though, President Plump has got no idea that pouring tons of water onto heated sandstone will eventually result in the sandstone blocks to literally explode.

How silly of him - everyone knows that.

Will be old news in a few days

Is it really made of sandstone? I doubt it. Sandstone is a soft, easily-degraded stone. I would bet money it is made of granite.

Regardless, all the heat and water would be detrimental to any stone but sandstone wouldn’t have stood this long.

The interior looks almost undamaged. All they need to do is to put a few buckets under that hole in the ceiling and continue with the services tomorrow.

The cathedral stood for close to 1000 years. Its history, architecture spiritually or place as an urban center held meaning for a lot of people. It showed us the beauty we are capable of. I am sad.

True, R22.

Obama & Hillary commented on those aspects (see previous thread).

According to reports in Le Monde, the treasury is unaffected, some chalices have been saved, and the altar and cross are intact. This is the area where the spire fell, so if the damage here is incomplete, then there is hope elsewhere.

The Cheif Architect of Historic Monuments is quoted as saying that the first step will be to enter the chapels around the nave to survey works of art which are most likely to have been damaged by smoke and water. This makes it sound like the fire may not have made it to ground level.

Tuition is gonna go up to pay for the reconstruction.

R2 - did German Marys cry about the churches and cathedrals they bombed in World War II?

People cry when churches are on fire but they celebrate when mosques are on fire.

I’m glad Macron has pledged to rebuild Notre Dame. I just hope they don’t rebuild it to look like the Los Angeles cathedral.

It's really not that bad, especially after seeing that pic:

RE: Pete, it's those flying BUTTresses

for the ww2 troll - millions of people died.

So ND has three rose windows, the biggest and most famous being the one in front between the bell towers. That one is OK from what I can tell, right?

R2, did German Marys spare a thought for Coventry Cathedral, or Warsaw Cathedral?

Here’s how they treated Warsaw’s religious heart:

“The Germans managed to induct a tank loaded with explosives into the Cathedral, a huge explosion destroyed large part of the building. After the collapse of the Uprising, German Vernichtungskommando (Destruction Detachment) drilled holes into the walls for explosives and blew up the Cathedral destroying 90% of its walls.”

Thank you R23, I will find the thread.

Off topic, its cool people have discovered Germanys bombing raids, and the Allies responses, but maybe could you start a different thread?

r20, Granite wan't invented until the 1980's, so I'm quite sure it's not granite. When they rebuild, I hope they use CaesarStone or quartz.

In case you muthafuckas forgot:

People are still posting spasmodically on the old thread.

It's gone up to 609.

This article from BBC's homepage is sadder than this overblown Paris thing is:

R38 omg, poor baby

I've used up ll my FFs and the night is young... I may need some of you guys to help me out.

[quote] god, [R58]. I just texted my art historian friend. Fucking tragic.

I wonder what R60's (from the first thread) historian friend texted back.

I guess we'll never know now.

R35 granite wasn’t “invented” until the 1980s??

R32. The smallest rose window is the one on the front facade, the transept roses, are the largest and most famous. They all appear intact, the small wheel windows lighting the roof were destroyed. Talking heads on tv keep confusing those small windows with the roses.

R20 the cathedral is built of limestone, not sandstone.

The Guardian is reporting that the North Rose Window is saved, but quote a fireman as saying they are still worried.

For real R40, I’m out as well.

Thanks R44, sandstone didn’t sound right as ai don’t the geology of Europe even has sandstone.

Thank goodness things have calmed down since the new thread was started. The last one was like a Mexican cockfight.

Russian and right-wing lunatics were all over the last thread.

I was eviscerated on a previous thread for saying as long as the vaulting hadn’t collapsed the interior would probably be relatively unscathed. People don’t realize the roof is not what you see on the inside, the stone vaults will protect much of the interior.

[quote] Regardless, all the heat and water would be detrimental to any stone but sandstone wouldn’t have stood this long.

You're right - sandstone collapses under tremendous heat. The famous Dresden Frauenkirche was made of sandstone and it somehow managed to survive the firebombing but the heat from the burning buildings all around it caused it to glow bright red and explode two days after the bombings took place.

Look familiar?

R49 who invented that cathedral was a genius.. thats why it still stands

I must say, as a believer, this picture warmed my heart. After all the destruction, the cross remains. I have faith that while it will never be the same, I am sure that the Cathedral will arise from the ashes.

R52 Wrong! That's Amiens cathedral in the drawing and the only reason it's still standing is Pierre Tarisel, who realized how badly designed it was centuries after it was built and saved the structure from collapsing by modifying it a bit.

[quote] The original design of the flying buttresses around the choir had them placed too high to counteract the force of the ceiling arch pushing outwards resulting in excessive lateral forces being placed on the vertical columns. The structure was only saved when, centuries later, masons placed a second row of more robust flying buttresses that connected lower down on the outer wall. This fix failed to counteract similar issues with the lower wall which began to develop large cracks around the late Middle Ages. This was solved by another patch by the master mason, Pierre Tarisel, that consisted of a wrought iron bar chain being installed around the mezzanine level to resist the forces pushing the stone columns outward. The chain was installed red hot to act as a cinch, tightening as it cooled.

R53 I was talking to God and even he thinks you're a loon.

Don't click on R53's "heart-warming" pic - Firefox says the website isn't safe.

Some of you posters are just sunshine on a cloudy day.......NOT!

"People cry when churches are on fire but they celebrate when mosques are on fire."

Why don't show some links for people "celebrating".

R56 The picture is from sfgate.com.

I actually shed a tear for Notre Dame.

Glad Notre Dame is better than expected. Like others, I’m not religious but the images of this ancient beautiful church made me cry as well. From what I’ve read the wooden interior is completely gone. Sad day.

Marys like R61 are the exact reason our world is going downhill - people are crying over a few burnt beams atop some church they know from a Disney movie, while most people don't give a damn about the horrors that are hapening in places like Yemen and Syria right now.

I hope you'll be able to sleep peacefully tonight, Marys!

That’s funny because o hope you die a slow painful death. Either by poisoning or something large rusty and sharp shoved up your ass.

As I remember hearing the main section that burned today was a rebuild from 1912, correct?

It looks like a good portion of the church is still intact, which is good news indeed.

And I can totally understand how a church fire would be a complete nightmare to fight.

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I care more about the art and historic artifacts than the building. The building can be rebuilt.

R66 Thankfully most of the stone remains, but it is wrong to just say that a building like Notre Dame can be rebuilt. It can be, and will be, but it will never be the same. The building itself is a work of historic art, and there just isn't the level of craftsman available today that there was when it was built.

I feel like we can replicate 95% of thing from the past thanks to computers and photographs. It can be made to look the same, even if the materials are of a modern sort. After seeing the damage, I'm not worried about the restoration.

I.M. Pei has informed the French government that he's up for a modern redo....lots of glass and steel.

Apologies if already posted, but here's this:

My neighbor the gargoyle is sadly mourning his lost kin. Me too.

Abbot Sugar was the architectural genius who first built San Denis then went on to design Notre Dame. I went to San Denis many years ago when the neighborhood was less unsafe.

R70 But will they have to rename the Cathedral Saint Salma of the Large Breast Implants?

I am not ashamed to admit I was in tears watching the spire fall. I was raised Catholic but am an agnostic now, but that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the history and art and culture represented by Notre Dame. I’ve pulled out my photo albums tonight from my first visit to Paris in the ‘90s to look at the pix I took then. It’s a cultural and historical 911.

R73 Hahaha

Not to be outdone, Trump has offered one billion dollars if the church can be named Notre Trump de Paris.

Looks like the devil created that fire.

The artisans exist to do every bit of the restoration. They have been working on St. John the Divine in NYC for decades. They were originally trained by European stone masons. The Americans have subsequently gone to Europe to participate in major restorations.

It is obviously not a growth industry, but neither is it a lost art.

It's a real question. Is recreating an item art? Is restoring an item art? I think there's a huge discussion about this in the art world.

Entropy caused this to happen. It’s dry like tinder.

Victimae Paschali Laudes @ Notre-Dame de Paris, an Ancient Easter Hymn.

The organ was saved. Prayers for that beautiful Cathedral and all who have visited her.

Seriously, there were no precautions for something like this? They only had 600 years to work out a plan.

It's sad to think of all the people across the centuries who have protected Notre Dame from harm, in wars and revolutions, and now these dumb shits in charge made it all for nothing. The embers of Notre Dame should be used to heat the tar to coat Macro with before they run him out of town on a rail.

R79, there may be a huge discussion of those questions in the art world, but they are stupid questions. Your examples are both craft. And when one's craft is imbued with excellence, it sometimes becomes art.

Most of the folks in the art world are visual, not verbal. It's best to ignore their discussions.

[quote]So ND has three rose windows, the biggest and most famous being the one in front between the bell towers. That one is OK from what I can tell, right?

South rose window did not have its original glass because of previous fires.

So far it seems that the main damage is to the Neogothic spire (a masterpiece of the mid-nineteenth century restorer Viollet le Duc) and to the roof. The medieval west towers, the rose window, and the interior vaulting seem to be intact in the photos and in according to reports. This could have been much worse. I mourn for the spire, but mainly because (despite St. John the Divine) people don't have the verve and drive to rebuild in style the way Viollet le Duc did. Maybe they'll put up some postmodernist crap like at Sagrada Família.

Mayor Pete weighs in—in French!

His accent is ravissant—complete with "euh ... euh ... euh"!

R87 Je l'adore!

R84, no, it's a real question. It goes to idea of what is art, what is worth saving. Say you fix the broken lead in the windows. Ok, but how many panes do you replace? At what point does the window become a copy, a replacement and therefore not the real item. And if you do replace a pane or two, how does that affect the artistic value? Sure, the craftsmen are skilled, but they are not 13th century craftsmen. Their work may be flawless but it's not the original. How much restoration is too much. These are real questions people will be asking.

Just because a concept is new to you doesn't make it stupid. It means you are uninformed.

Condos! Underground parking - dead folk may take maybe three spots tops. Spires of flat panel juliet windows!

Here are some of the usually-unseen interior structures, filmed 6 months ago.

One newscaster was saying how the cathedral was falling apart, with gargoyls falling off the facade, etc., and there was no money to fix it.

We're supposed to believe the Catholic Church is suddenly short of CASH ? ? ?

Exactly R93. Notre Dame represented the riches of the Catholic church at the expense of the poor.

Where was 'God' during all of this? Serious question.

If there is a god, then why didn't he/she stop the fire?

R93 the State owns the fucking church and fuck you in advance for making me look that shit up again.

It's a MIRACLE! Praise the Lord!

[quote]r96 the State owns the fucking church

Then the state should charge the Catholic Church rent for the services it holds there.

It's disgusting that the Vatican won't dip into it's overflowing, solid gold coffers to do anything.

Un-FUCKING-believable. But what can you expect from that creepfest organization...?

[quote]At what point does the window become a copy, a replacement and therefore not the real item.

When I first traveled to Europe, it was disappointing to find out that almost everything you see in German cities, Vienna and Budapest are reconstructions.

Budapest:

I guess the old saying is true.

The only church that illuminates is a church that burns.

Thanks for the entertainment. Seeing people cry over this was worth it. Don’t worry though it will be rebuilt.

It would be a good time for America to send missionaries to France, to encourage revival.

R95 Why would God have not destroyed Notre Dame, when the revolutionaries desecrated it and used it for the atheistic Cult of Reason. The ways of God are a mystery. While the church likes to amass riches and treasures, it is not my belief that God cares for riches, since God ultimately owns everything and is everywhere. My faith will not be shaken because God didn't intervene to save a building, no matter how beautiful and historical it is. Sure you may take it as evidence of God not existing, or you can take it as God desiring to bring attention to Notre Dame and to remind the French of their Christian heritage. Or any number of others interpretations.

St. Stephens in Vienna suffered the safe sort of massive roof fire in 1945 (from bombing, but fire is fire), and they had the building open again by 1948, and more or less restored by 1952.

They did rebuild the roof using steel instead of the original wooden beams because of the costs involved and the difficulty in finding lumber in the size required for a true restoration. I wonder if they'll go steel or wood with Notre Dame?

[quote]r102 The ways of God are a mystery.

Understatement of the year - -

R94 I think you mean the Vatican

the r105 pic made me laugh, for some reason (as we're discussing alleged gods)

Wooooooooooooooooooooooo ! ! !

Sarah Huckabee and Kellyanne have volunteered their services for any new gargoyle recarves.

It might be best if the damn thing burned to the ground, actually. St. Patrick's could be next - -

[quote] St. Stephens in Vienna suffered the safe sort of massive roof fire in 1945 (from bombing, but fire is fire), and they had the building open again by 1948, and more or less restored by 1952.

Stephansdom wasn't bombed, missy. It's not known who exactly set fire to it - one theory says the fire was planted either by the nazis or the Soviets while some think it accidentally caught fire from nearby shops which were burned down by the looters.

R102, the Existence of God is a mystery.

R102 That was sort of my point, you can take any event or occurrence as proof of either God's existence or of God's non-existence. I choose to have faith in God, if others don't that is their choice. I mainly dislike militant people, whether religious or atheist.

Speaking of collapsed church ceilings, here's a disturbing 1997 video from the Assisi basilica - friars and specialists were inspecting damage done by the earthquake to the legendary frescoes when the ceiling suddenly collapsed on them, killing four of them.

[quote]r111 the existence of God is a mystery, R102

The [italic]belief[/italic] in the existence of gods is a mystery . . .

Could these guys be to blame?

R42 Brianna thinks she’s still living on Fraser’s Ridge. Bit of millennial or pre millennial irony.

Notre Dame burned because God is pissed at how nasty and judgmental Catholics have become. It's their punishment.

[quote]People are still posting spasmodically on the old thread.

[quote]It's gone up to 609.

Yeah, how does that happen?

Threads are supposed to close at 600, and yet the previous thread seems to be up to around 610 now.

R118 If you have a thread continuously opened you can keep posting in it for as long as you want, even when it passes 600 replies. But the magic is gone as soon as you refresh or close the page.

We've had threads go to 650 or so...

The front page of today's 'Libération':

Buttigieg, well done. Impeccable accent. Well thought-out.

The French Ambassador to the U.S. complimented Buttigieg's accent on Twitter last night.

R90 In my biology book from junior HS there were the same questions, regarding human reconstruction. Sarah gets a new heart, is she still Sarah? She gets a new liver, a new - etc. This was early 1990s.

R99, I'm not sure what you mean about "almost everything" in Budapest being a recontsruction. With the exception of the Matthew Church, which was medieval and long in disrepair and was heavily restored in the late 19th century, Budapest had few pre-19th century buildings to start with. It was unified from Buda and Pest and built up after about 1866 on the lines of Haussmann's Paris—it's as much a late 19th century as Boston or Chicago.

Funding pledges are are coming in like crazy. A combined 300 million euros have been pledged by just 2 French billionaires.

[quote] Funding for the reconstruction of Notre Dame is piling up at a spectacular rate, with two of France’s richest families together quickly pledging 300 million euros. Businessman Francois-Henri Pinault and his billionaire father Francois Pinault said they were immediately giving 100 million euros from their company, Artemis, to help finance repairs to the cathedral devastated by fire Monday night. A statement from Francois-Henri Pinault said: “This tragedy impacts all French people” and “everyone wants to restore life as quickly as possible to this jewel of our heritage.” That donation was then trumped by French tycoon Bernard Arnault and his luxury goods group LVMH, which pledged 200 million euros. LVMH called the cathedral a “symbol of France, its heritage and its unity.”

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R62 Exactly!

Notre Dame always makes me think of this old advert for Tunes:

The spire was probably weakened by that fucking hunchback climbing on it at 3:06. He's not exactly supermodel-thin.

No, R90. Fetishizing original work is a stupid thing to do. The work is inevitably temporal. It will pass. If it is worth studying, get it done without delay.

The design is one thing. The execution of it is another. It is all art. Symphonies are inevitably played differently each time they are played, even by the same orchestra under the same conductor. Each performance is unique. Shakespeare or Verdi or Tennesse Williams wrote great work, but each time a work is presented, it is both the same as it has always been and uniquely different. The 'art world' as you put it, is full of examples. Every time Maria Abramovic or Karen Finley or any of their peers perform a piece, it is different. Even the paintings and statues in the great museums age and must be conserved and each time they enter that process, they emerge appearing differently. And the only time any of them truly appear in their original state is at the time they were created. Even the changes in modern lighting affect how art appears. We can't have people traipsing through the Louvre with lighted candles, though originally that is how it was done. And if we did, the art would be damaged by all the smoke and would, therefore, no longer be "original."

Art cannot be frozen in history. The academics will soonswarm Notre Dame and in a few years will begin publishing all their new discoveries that could not have been possible without yesterday's enormous fire. Replace the infrastructure of the Notre Dame roof with steel and yesterday's history will not repeat itself. Strip the building of all the lead that it is clad in. That would be better, too. A cathedral is a work in progress. Always. "Original" is of passing interest, but is never the point. If the building is to live and to serve and to function, it must adapt. The current structure is crumbling. It must be improved, if it is to stand at all. Clearly, in this setting, "original" is not good enough because even before the fire, the cathedral was falling down.

This is what some people are saying about something.....

[quote]We're supposed to believe the Catholic Church is suddenly short of CASH ? ? ?

You think the posh gowns those guys wear come cheap?

Can you imagine what it must cost to maintain and conserve just the art stockpiled at the Vatican? And then there is the matter of the art stockpiled elsewhere. Those fancy palaces for God to live in, along with God's minions, are luxury items you can only obtain by taking a vow of poverty. Oh, the joy of spending other people's money.

R131, sweetie, you are clueless. And, the Catholic Church doesn't own Norte Dame. That's own by France.

It worked!!

[quote]r135 the Catholic Church doesn't own Norte Dame. That's own by France.

So, they're squatters there?

At least, we'll still have the documentation to rebuild Notre Dame. The bibliothèque nationale de France paid tribute earlier today to Notre Dame and the firefighters.

If it's so important to France -- and was such a tourist attraction -- why was it in such disrepair?

Are the French really that fucking cheap?

Quite a treasure trove there r138.

for slow tv lovers out there

Another slow tv-er here watching RT's livestream (I know, I know) and they alternate between street view and workers taking down a statue for safekeeping. Plus you get to listen to all kinds of discussions between casual observers and camera operators.

what the fuck they are doing???

Actually it seems to be this outfit providing live images that RT connects to. RT has gone to taped footage for now.

So that scaffolding was already up?

SCIENCE, SWEETIE

"I've had the same axe for 20 years. I've only had to replace the handle four times and the head twice."

People need to chill the fuck out.

This cathedral has been through revolutions, bombings, two World Wars.

It can withstand a little fire.

R117 " Notre Dame burned because God is pissed at how nasty and judgmental Catholics have become. It's their punishment."

Says who??

The Sixteenth Century Huguenots almost destroyed Notre Dame, and a bloody and anti-clerical revolution in 1789, two World Wars, bombs, and fire have yet to destroy her.

Somebody on Twitter pointed out that there's a orchard of trees at Versailles dedicated to providing replacement beams for Notre Dame.

Then again, something a little less flammable might be a sound investment...

I saw a cathedral in flames once . . .

France's AXA provided insurance cover for two Notre-Dame contractors

Meet Colossus: The French Firefighting Robot That Helped Save Notre-Dame

The timber would be available in Russia. The cost to get to the site would be staggering, but it could be done. In fact, it would be fun to see it happen, because they almost certainly need to bring it to the Cathedral via the river, the same way they did it originally. They could also use laminated wood beams which would be very affordable and quick to manufacture.

I would think steel will be the final choice, but who knows at this point. I hope the rebuilding doesn't turn into a clusterfuck where rival experts battle over the best way to restore it and nothing gets done in the process.

Fuck off with the RT links and Russian wood timber discussion. Literally fuck your own face.

R133 barely 7% of the french population goes to church once a month, where do you think the money comes from? The state is in charge of all the church buildings built before 1906 since the separation between church and state. Nowadays, when a church cannot be repaired, they pull it down and replace it by a modern building, easier to maintain. We never turn an old church into a house or a club like in UK.

In my town, the neighbours ask the church not to ring the bell for the 9am mass, too early for the "grasse matinée du dimanche". We still get married in church, we get funerals, but we don't always feel the need to be part of a community. Especially in Paris, everybody in France hate de parisians for being selfish and arrogants.

I forgot : the number of smockers is down since the 90, when a law made smoking in public building illegal, public transport have been heaven since. The tax on cigarette is really high on purpose, and a lot of people have given up or starting vaping.

Surprised they haven’t taken down this page yet.

[quote]Fuck off with the RT links and Russian wood timber discussion. Literally fuck your own face.

I think people like R155 are aggressive due to what they lack in other areas.

I mean really... "Literally fuck your own face"? What sort of expression is that?

She wouldn't dare speak to anyone like that in real life.

This has brought out the most wretched shriekers since Trump won the election.

She's also been crying - though not religious she says:

[quote]I’m not religious but the images of this ancient beautiful church made me cry as well. From what I’ve read the wooden interior is completely gone. Sad day.

She got over the tears and she was back to her old foul aggressive self:

[quote]That’s funny because o hope you die a slow painful death. Either by poisoning or something large rusty and sharp shoved up your ass.

@AP

BREAKING: France announces an international architects' competition to rebuild the spire of Notre Dame Cathedral.

Scroll down to 1 PM for story

1 p.m.

The French prime minister has announced an international competition for architects to see if the spire of Notre Dame Cathedral should be rebuilt and how it should be rebuilt.

Edouard Philippe is speaking following a special Cabinet meeting Wednesday held by French President Emmanuel Macron, focusing on the reconstruction of the cathedral.

Philippe said the competition will also assess whether the spire should be “adapted to technologies and challenges of our times.”

He said authorities have no estimate yet of the total cost of the renovation work. Macron said Tuesday he wants the cathedral to be rebuilt in five years.

Philippe said: “This is obviously a huge challenge, a historic responsibility.”

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There are trees at Versailles that were planted expressly as a lumber supply for Notre Dame. Why the fuck would they use Russian wood??

Someone tweeted that backup forest story that gets repeated everywhere but it’s difficult to find anything online backing up that claim. If it’s true I think it’s an awesome story.

No one cares about France's Cult of the Damned Cathedral!

It's time they put childish fantasies about their Invisible Sky Fairy aside and entered the real world.

They better not put some modern monstrosity up there as a spire! Horrid idea.

[quote]Someone tweeted that backup forest story that gets repeated everywhere but it’s difficult to find anything online backing up that claim. If it’s true I think it’s an awesome story.

I've read variations of the same story concerning Windsor Castle, Westminster Abbey, and groves of mighty oaks planted two centuries ago to provide the timber for the masts of the British Navy's Fleet. I'll believe the Notre Dame story when I see it on Snopes.com.

Are you saying this is an AXA job? AXA's boss would have been PM if somebody else had won the primary 2 1/2 years ago

I love R155.

There aren’t trees in France big enough to rebuild the roof. Some rich British people have said they have trees the French can have.

R170 =

why the fuck would you use trees again?

@ABC7

France pays tribute to the firefighters who saved the Notre Dame Cathedral

(First Responder Fever reaches France.)

Thousands of Bees Living on Notre Dame’s Roof Survived the Fire

“I wouldn’t call it a miracle but I’m very, very happy.”

Honey bees?

https://www.therichest.com/buzz/24-very-short-lived-tv-sitcoms/

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