OMG - Notre Dame is on fire!

Dyatlov right?

Sanctuary!

Is the Hunchback ok?

I love football and it's awesome to see Notre Dame on fire the way they are GO TEAM!

---Donald Trump's twitter

Did Muslims do it?

r4 wins thread

What the actual F??

It’s a huge inferno.

Bomb? Arson??

I'm not a Christian but this is really tragic

Trump's real tweet:

[quote]So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!

The roof has fallen in.

This is MAJOR!

They didn't rake enough. - Dumb Donnie

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MUST ACT QUICKLY!!!! SAD!!!!!

The birds in r13 make the picture especially haunting for some reason

Throw them paper towels!

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Paris again. Waiting for the gay scream.

Sacre bleu!

No more Flambés for you.

I saw they had renovations in attic....

The spire has fallen

The famous stained glass windows? - GONE

That thing was built in the 12th century. Tragic loss. Unbelievable.

The entire church is on fire now.

shit r24/r25.

This is fucking sad

Anyone else reminded of 9/11?

Shame. It was beautiful.

No, R29.

At the beginning of holy week too...

Looks like the fire is out of control.

It is sad.

Again. I can't tell if R10 is joking.

The sky is so blue.

The support structure is wooden beams and were probably very dry.

Terrible.

This will ruin the annual Easter Egg hunt.

13th century wood is in the cathedral, so I imagine fighting the fire is even more difficult.

From CBS news, police say no deaths thus far.

for R10

Please ban the idiotic racist troll comparing this to 9/11.

some of the responses to Trump

[quote]"must act quickly," what awesome advice! oh my god, it's a good thing you mentioned that because otherwise the fireman would have lollygagged their way to the fire while smoking cigarettes and carrying baguettes in a little net tote as French firemen usually do. GOOD THINKING SIR

&

[quote]You said exactly what I was thinking. It's almost like we are twins or something.

It feels part and parcel of the deep-rooted grimness that is everywhere these days.

ISIS?

This reminds me of the time when Buckingham palace burned a few years ago.

Hold me, David.

I actually feel like crying.

I know ....

It was Windsor, R47 - not BP

R47, that was Windsor Castle.

So is the Disney live-action reboot a no go now?

And it was 25 years ago.

Isn’t this church made of stone? How could a fire collapse it? I’m asking.

It's heartbreaking seeing the burning spire fall.

Why did it go so fast? It makes me sad.

I'm welling up

After the spire collapsed the entire interior is now in flames, according to officials. So sad, so much history and art lost.

Apparently there's a ton of wooden beams....known as "the forest"

Oh god, r58. I just texted my art historian friend.

Fucking tragic.

FINALLY some water!

That took them time.

The interior is full of very old dry wood the interior is on fire.

[quote]Oh god, [R58]. I just texted my art historian friend.

Tell us what he writes back!

"Holy shit," r63

They were restoring it.

How did something like this happen?

I could have my hookers piss on it.

Donald J Trump

After watching 60 Minutes my first thought was Steve Bannon.

I needed the levity of r67 ...

Construction accident R66

[quote]How did something like this happen?

Hang in there! R60's onto it:-

[quote]I just texted my art historian friend.

They have just ONE SINGLE fire hose from what I can see.

This is part of the world's art heritage. Conservatively, 200,000,000 people or more have reverentially trudged through Notre Dame to see the famous stained glass, the various chapels, to marvel at the amount of light that gothic architecture allowed into the interior of a massive building, to wonder how it was constructed in medieval times, long before cranes and rock cutting machinery, to see the famous gargoyles at the top. When I saw the birds in the photo above, I thought of those gargoyles.......

I just saw 2 weak firehoses R72

Hundreds of years of history and art is now in literal ashes.

Kindly fuck right off r71

MACRON:

[quote] "My thoughts are with all Catholics and all French people. Like all of our compatriots, I am sad this evening to see this part of us burning."

I went to Mass there a few years ago by accident. OMG, it was so beautiful! They had a musical horn section (like in the Ricola commercials) and a choir. It was packed. Everybody was dressed in their best French clothes. It was as moving as the Louvre or Versailles. I had to stay! There was a little boy there in a suit. He was so cute! (I’m not a pedo.) So sad.

Will this fire affect their stadium?

The entire island where Notre Dame is located is being evacuated! Via CBS.

[quote]I just saw 2 weak firehoses [R72]

Which seem to be doing absolutely NOTHING.

Macron has arrived on the scene

Neo Nazis did it.

On CBS they said people are watching and weeping.

Somebody did Something.

Loved my Paris visits that included tours of Notre Dame.

But really. It's not like the Catholic church doesn't have billions to repair the entire building. It's karma for centuries of oppression and abuse, so 'quelle triste, pede centrale!'

I want to cry.

Do we know how it started?

R73 if 200 million have gone im sure they have plenty of euros to rebuild it.

Trump notre damr

This is a tragedy! All that history destroyed. I'm crying, you can't rebuild something like that

r86 is an idiot

R88, Girl Scouts making Smores, Rose

Oh, please. ALL the french smoke. It was probably a construction worker on break, puffing away.

[quote]On CBS they said people are watching and weeping.

What did you expect? Dancing and singing?

This is so awful. Me too, R87, what a devastating loss.

R91 = triggered frau-phag. Google "sarcasm," queen.

OMG, what if it's ISIS?

Le ciel était si bleu!

This will be an anus horribilis.

I’m crying too. The only more beautiful building in Paris is Sainte-Chappelle.

[quote] Le ciel était si bleu!

I like bleu.

The fire hose is like a pathetic joke.

It will take years to rebuild.

That girl is on fire!

[quote]It will take years to rebuild.

Will they even bother?

OMG, what if it's anti-Catholic white supremacists?

" Anyone else reminded of 9/11? "

You mean, R29, except for this NOT being a terrorist attack coordinated by Dick Cheney and the military industrial complex + Saudis, and there NOT being 3000 people inside who were incinerated, and there NOT being layers of C4 installed by Marvin Bush?

Dumbass.

R86 is a moron. You sound like all those evangelical ministers who blame weather-related tragedies on the gays. Grow up or at least shut up.

There is a concern that the walls will collapse now.

It seems as if the whole roof is gone...is that true? I have never been there.

They tried to protect something delicate. It is gone, I think.

The Catholic Church will repair it??? Are you retarded? This can nit be repaired?

R108 - counting her rosary and offering 'thoughts and prayers' online while demanding sympathy from complete strangers online.

R110 roof is gone

live view

not much water i see . they are joking, seriously

Thoughts and prayers. xx

R86 , hopefully you will rot in eternal fire.

What's gone is irreplaceable, as the art historian mentioned in another post will probably tell us.

R93 we don'y know, the workers were gone when the fire started

Link did not work, R116. Anyone have live views or coverage?

They said it wa literally falling apart and the current repairs were urgent. It hadn’t undergone restoration since the 1800s. They were trying to raise several hundred million Euros over 5 years for the current project. They estimate it taking over a billion to rebuild. In a sad kind of way, the world-wide coverage of this will bring in that money I think.

CBS just ended their live coverage, but DL Fave David Muir on ABC still has their coverage.

LIVE from Paris

STEVE BANNON strikes again!

That’s a shame ™

Seeing the spire fall makes me feel hopeless

R119 = deluded Xtian, damning complete strangers to her fictional Hell.

R119 = the fat face of Xitiantic hypocrisy.

they said there isn't much they can do because it is made of stone so the inside is like an oven and no one would be able to survive inside to fight it. I think this is a sign but don't know of what. There have been predictions that the church is on it's way out and maybe this is the beginning of the end. But it more than just a Catholic church and it will never be replaced because how can you?

^ ignoramus

R129 is psychotic.

Ugh RE the trolls on this thread

What is believed to be THE ACTUAL crown of thorns that Jesus wore was stored in the Cathedral. Wow art, history, relics all lost.

Whether you're a believer or not, what is lost will never be replaced.

It's getting dark in Paris - 20:53

oops R129 is the ignoramus

R119 is a nasty cunt, like most religionists. What a surprise.

R136 = easily confused churchy cuntress.

r133 it really shows how they have taken over Datalounge and the Webmaster doesn't seem to care at all.

Stop attacking each other - you're just as bad as each other.

It has been repaired in this century and it was being repaired further.

Looks like the water from the fire hoses couldn't reach the roof which is why the fire was out of control.

Oh, R139, cool your churchy ass down. I've been on DL since 1998. STFU and block me of you're such a sensitive twit.

Trump called it "The fire that they're having ..."

Yes, dumbass. Like it's a party.

The "spine" has gone.

[quote]Yes, dumbass. Like it's a party.

Stop making it all about YOUR President FOR ONCE.

[quote] It will take years to rebuild.

Decades, even.

The left hand front tower is on fire now.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, R146. Those who have it are a tiresome lot.

R139, yesterday there was a thread that M*tt was trolling for hours, and all he got was a redtag saying "stop talking to it." Left all his racists posts up, just grayed out.

I think it's deliberate.

I am shocked that such an important historical building had no proper fire fighting protocols and tools in place to act quickly to fight a fire in its early stages. I mean, when you know it's a potential fire hazard you make sure that you limit the damage as much as possible. You don't save much when you let it all burn down to save costs or resources.

Has the Beggar Woman commented yet?

MARY!!!!! r149

[quote]CBS just ended their live coverage, but DL Fave David Muir on ABC still has their coverage.

CBS? ABC? OK, Gramps.

r152, like that bitch has the money to make a trip to France.

I can't imagine they could have installed much to fight fires, given its age and fragile construction. It was falling apart, which is why there were repairs going on at the time the fire started.

F&F the Trump shitstain at R149.

Holy Week and this accident is a pretty big coincidence. French are now saying they are opening up an investigation.

AGAIN - LIVE LINK >>

r139 - I agree.

Where are you getting “racist” from, R43? An iconic structure engulfed in flames and collapsing is reminiscent of the images from 9/11.

R151 The cathedral is on a small island there was probably inadequate water infrastructure to fight a fire around the cathedral.

Tragic indeed that this stunning example of gothic architecture is lost. Hopefully no one was hurt or killed inside.

The Catholic Church, however, was devised and is maintained to control people. For this reason, I couldn’t care less.

[quote[ French are now saying they are opening up an investigation.

At nine o'clock at night, while the fire's still blazing?

[quote] Hopefully no one was hurt or killed inside.

Apparently NOT.

YouTube's algorithm apparently briefly captioned links to 9/11 videos underneath live coverage of the Notre Dame fire. People were pretty upset.

These algorithms are all they're cracked up to be.

"... there was probably inadequate water infrastructure ..."

... what with it being literally ON the Seine River.

Trump’s tweet was actually logical, the random catty Twitter responses were not. A few hoses from ground level can’t put out a fire of that magnitude. The building might be fragile, but an overhead water tanker might be the only option at this point.

Yeah, R164, people are upset and they want reassurance something will be done. They're promising an investigation immediately. That doesn't seem odd to me, I think almost any government would do the same in this situation.

Apparently the gargoyles are gone

[quote] Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, [R146]. Those who have it are a tiresome lot.

What tiresome is the guy you voted for (or enabled by throwing away your vote... oh, we know you did) keeping the entire country hostage with his chaos and psychosis.

Has anyone read The Name of the Rose?

This reminds me of the ending, where the library goes up in flames and everything is lost.

It wasn't, R169.

Can't you "Trump was right this time" trolls keep to your own thread? It's been non-stop for a week from you guys.

I'm embarrassed when my friend told me this information I thought the college of Notre Dame was in flames

It's dark now in Paris - fire still blazing...can see it so much more clearly now.

He's been right a good deal, lately. R174.

The fire looks worse - not better.

Still burning strongly

I sure hope this isn't some prelude to another 9/11 like the historical Bamiyan Buddhas were.

[quote] What is believed to be THE ACTUAL crown of thorns that Jesus wore was stored in the Cathedral.

Just a secret between you and me: it isn’t real.

Any risk of the fire spreading to other town buildings? It does seem to grow bigger.

This is one of the most famous buildings in one of the most visible locations in the world. They will have the money to restore it in 72 hours.

The rebuilt roof may have an illuminated AMAZON logo on it, but the money will come.

The front part seems to be OK.

Yes, one hour of Bezos' salary will pay for it.

I'm french and broken hearted. This is really a punch in the gut.

Still no news on how it started?

[quote]Any risk of the fire spreading to other town buildings? It does seem to grow bigger.

I think it's on its own island.

[quote] Just a secret between you and me: it isn’t real.

It could'been the work of an artist that the Church declared to be the real deal in order to keep their religious myth scheme going, like the Shroud of Turin.

Posted this is one of the other threads, but a witness reportedly told the Guardian just a couple minutes ago that the fire seems almost out:

Eyewitnesses are saying the scope of the fire is now smaller. Unfortunately it's because most of it has collapsed, and they can be more aggressive with the fire. The scaffolding is sure to fall at any minute, so I hope no firefighters or anyone else gets hurt.

The firefighter seem to have drawn the line in front of the towers, so they likely will be saved.

FFS R187, they’ve reported since th beginning that it was a construction accident.

I know this makes me sound like a cunt, but is anyone else annoyed when the reporters say “thank goodness there are no deaths or injuries reported.” I’m sorry, but I’d rather a frau tourist from Peoria die than lose this beautiful, old, historic structure.

Please, gods, spare the beautiful window

R184 Yes, for now. The fire in starting again in one of the towers. I hope nothing will happen to the rosace.

R181, it's about peoples beliefs, their culture, their history. It's lost forever, and it doesn't matter whether you believe in its importance or not.

I heard the window was gone. Sorry, R195

Quasimodo is trending on Twitter...

Were any of Jesus' foreskins lost?

Fuck you, r52. You made me laugh while I was crying.

Where did you “hear” that, R197? That hasn’t been reported anywhere

I'm NOT looking forward to tomorrow morning.

Anything made of wood in the interior is gone.

The BBC had within the last couple of weeks had a a program devoted to the bad condition of Notre Dame. I think it was even repeated this weekend.

Paris 24 just announced that all artwork has been saved.

Has the Vatican or the Pope commented?

KYRIE EL-E-I-SON!

Make that France 24

More like dies irae, amiright?

ALL artwork?

This is really no big deal at all.

Well shit, they claim it's all been saved, even the piece of the crown of thorns:

Yes, that was what they reported a few minutes ago r210.

It was a quote from a priest who curates the artwork.

A firefighter's perspective:

Aurgh. My social media feeds are flooded with nostalgic old photos of friends at Notre Dame. That, or they feel the need to regurgitate hours-old news reports. Going offline. Enjoy your weepfest for a shrine to religious oppression, churchies!

(P.S.: They built Notre Dame over a Druid shrine after burning the pagans at the stake.)

Only two hoses because firemen are holding out the fire and they are going to send men in. Not possible to send canadairs because the roof and the building can't take it. No victims. Some are talking about two starts of the fire. Cathedrals in France belong to France not to the catholics.

Mon Dieu

I feel sick. Thinking of the literally irreplaceable treasures that have been lost to all of humanity with this event, I want to say a fat FUCK YOU AND BURN IN HELL to the asshole trolls making jokes about this.

This is a loss for all of us, even those who are too stupid to recognize it.

Satan vomits pedo priests:

[quote]The BBC had within the last couple of weeks had a a program devoted to the bad condition of Notre Dame. I think it was even repeated this weekend.

BBC World News was speaking with a former correspondent who said the wood in the rafters was ancient and extremely dry.

This is a great relief

TRANSLATED: “Good news: all the artworks have been saved. The treasure of the cathedral is intact, the crown of thorns, the holy sacraments. #NOTRE_DAME”

The rest can be rebuilt.

Two starts to the fire? Hmm.

The fire is NOT under control. The north tower is apparently now burning.

Fucking hell, Chris Cuomo is so damned dramatic

One of the great Catholic Cathedral's in the history of the world.

The illuminati's obsession with destroying the Catholic church and their attack on christianity (preferring science to God) is the biggest non-secret we have today. This is very symbolic.

Vatican is next. But they will be using Islam as the scapegoat when it strikes.

How do they claim they have the crown of thorns from the crucifixion? What proof do they have that it’s not just a random thorn bush?

“the holy sacraments”

As a former Catholic, may I state that I could really give a fuck about communion wafers and wine that are magically body and blood, but I do give a fuck about 800 years of cultural heritage.

ok I'm crying now R197

Yes, it was, R174. Stop with your stupid partisan American infighting - this is a thread about a disaster in Europe.

We're safe!

The fire is still out of control.

R186 Me too. I've spent some time in this Cathedral. So glad I did. It was a few months after my father died. I lite a candle there for him and it was the first actual comfort I had felt. Cause I knew he would like it. Can't believe all this history is gone. I feel devastated.

Who unleashed r1225 on this thread?

Sky News just reported that it's NOT under control. Guardian hasn't had it right since the start.

R218 mary Nothing lasts forever

If the stone walls collapse that will be the end of the cathedral.

Sky News also reported that SOME but not all of the artwork had been removed because of the construction work.

A frau lit a match after her BM and then threw it on an oily dishrag leftover from a construction worker.

Multiple Catholic churches in that area (and throughout France in general ) were vandalized just this week. I wonder who that could be? Relics being smashed, excrement being smeared etc.

The Gargoyles are saved

The stone towers are not going to collapse from fire unless there is an explosion.

I don’t think so, R240.

💔 My sympathies to you and your fellow countrymen, R186.

As an American watching the devastation on 9/11, it leaves a hole in your heart, and tears in your eyes. It's devastating, and we weep with you, and pray for you.

My understanding is that there was a crown of thorns relic dating to the 1000s or possibly earlier, and that in the 1200s, the emperor of Constantinople gave some of the thorns to Louis IX in a fancy relic.

No idea if it's from the time of Christ. Wikipedia says the earliest mention of it is from hundreds of years after he died.

Wrong, r235. Toxic stupidity like yours is apparently indestructible, more's the pity.

Sky New- french fire department: next hour and a hald crucial to see if fire can be contained.

Some things were removed prior to construction, r244.

Thanks r244. Thatseems to be the way of the church with all of their supposed “relics.”

R225 Get a grip. This was a construction accident, not a conspiracy to destroy Notre Dame.

R235 It lasted for 7 centuries I hope it could last a lot longer

Have they announced yet that it was a construction accident?

R241 I agree the towers won't collapse the walls along the nave might.

Sky News also said stone vault MAY protect artwork.

One ofnthe towers is now on fire. Hopefully the rose Window remains unbroken.

Rebuild what exactly? It's gone. If a painting is destroyed do you make a copy and say here it is again?

Trump had it burned to distract from the Mueller Report.

Live Trump quote, "It's burning like a fire can only burn". So fucking profound....

Thanks R243

Of course this would happen when BLUMP is the president. He just unleashes shitty energy over the whole world.

Trump on TV just now: “looks like it’s going to burn to the ground.”

No you fucking idiot, it’s built of stone. It’s NOT going to “burn to the ground.”

Trump as president....Notre Dame burning during Holy Week.....yikes. End times. I thought that stuff was nuts but the last few years everything is flipping to the Devil.

The wall along the nave are supported from the outside, it was supporting the weight of the roof, they should stay up, but right now I don't know what's left from the inside.

Omg, r256, my sincere sympathy to all of France.

R255 He also tweeted that it was probably "the worst museum fire ever" or words to that effect; dope does not know the difference between a Cathedral and a museum.

R257 So was Obama to blame for all the ISIS attacks around the world when he was president? Quit being so fucking stupid for once in your life.

Firefighters are up it the front towers now they might save them. The fire is still out of control.

Sadly, r253, I'm sure that all the priceless and irreplaceable windows were destroyed by the intense heat. That happens in every church fire.

This same sort of thing is responsible for the destruction of the Glasgow School of Art last year, one of the world's great pieces of architecture. Construction workers.

What's the religion of the construction workers? Are we allowed to ask?

To be fair, whomever is speaking nowmon sky News is talking like walls may collapse. Says it will ntake to to 20 years to rebuild if that happens

R258, you have to excuse him, he was thinking of one of his own buldings.

R218 , THANK YOU , MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.

[quote]What is believed to be THE ACTUAL crown of thorns that Jesus wore was stored in the Cathedral. Wow art, history, relics all lost.

There are dozens of savior myths recorded throughout history, but modern-day Christians insist "this time it's true!".

Sky news just said that the cathedral may not be able to be saved.

You just did, R267.

I'm sorry, R232, especially since it holds such a special meaning to you.

Mighty poor form burning up the True Crown of Thorns during Holy Week.

No doubt that Notre Dame priests are in a basement somewhere in Paris refashioning a new Crown of Thorns in time for Sunday. If Jesus can be resurrected, certainly some thorns can be, too.

How eerie that this is happening right before Easter.

if the towers are buring, the bells are attached by a wood structure, we're fucked.

R236, I take it that no member of your family was ever a returning champion on Jeopardy.

r268 20 years? To put some brick an wood? We already have the plans and the money will start pouring in based on the videos. I don't understand why it would take 20 years. Parts of Versailles and Buckingham Palace were built in less time. That's a crazy timeline.

They just put out a statement that they won't be able to save Notre Dame Cathedral.

really r280? The towers are going? How fucking bad is the paris fire team?

R275 the museum with the treasures were at the ground level, there were the first to be evacuated, the problem is for the paintings who were inside the nave,

Did anyone die?

There are 400 firemen on the site, and one who is injured

The French Interior ministry just said they may not be able to save the cathedral.

Why couldn't this have been the college like I origionally thought. mayor Pete could have given a rousing speak, to help his campaign, and we could move on with our day.

Another note. I visisted the catherdral 3 years ago. I am kicking myself for not taking any picutes while inside. Won't make that mistake again.

R281, there's a lot of wood and apparently lead, which is a problem. And fire damages stone and weakens it.

Why were they begging for money to restore it in the first place? They rake in close to 100 million a year with tourist fees. Where was all that money going in the fist place?

Official - Fire Fighter say the church cannot be saved.

I hope the towers survive. We could tell that nothing was going to be saved since we saw the fucking roof collaps. Shame on Paris and the Catholic Church for allowing this to happen.

The north tower might go, message from the head of the firemen, french news TF1

The firefighters say they don't know if they can stop the fire in the north tower. It might be destroyed

R288 If you've ever been to the Vatican you would know.

Why couldn't it have been Trump Tower.

Sorry, I'm having an issue wrapping my head around such an iconic building being desrtoyed.

r292 that's terrible.

Was Tania Head praying in the church when it went up in flames?

Can't wait to see the new I.M. Pei brass and glass replacement.

They say the next hour is crucial we will very soon know if the beffroi is going to hold

R294 is desperate for a visit from the Secret Service. Keep it up, fuckhead.

It's awful and we keep getting bad news

Where are the relics kept? I'm assuming in some kind of tight security?

The fire has been burning for a long time they may have to take down the weakened walls and build a completely new cathedral.

I just hope the tower will hold

Oh man, what a horrible thing to witness. Wish the Germans could be there. They seem like boy scouts, always prepared with the right tools...the French, not so much.

Looks like the right tower is on fire now.

So saddening

How was there not a better plan for a potential fire?

They are evacuating the ile de la cité is, I don't why, the fire is inside the cathedral, I hope they won't have to evacuate the hospital Dieu next to Notre Dame, it's a huge hospital!

Let it burn. Paris is rampant with racists.

It's probably about burning debris floating over the island, as well as making way for firefighting equipment

R308 if you have ever been near a building fire being 75 feet away the heat is very intense.

r171 I am going to miss my friends.

ISIS tried to attack Notre Dame back in 2016 but were stopped in time. Repeat performance?

If it was arson, I doubt they’ll ever release that information to the public.

It's hopeless. It can't be saved. The walls will collapse eventually. There does not have to be an explosion for this to occur.

[Quote]The north tower might go, message from the head of the firemen, french news TF1

Oh, no! Not Windows on the World!?!

I had to switch the channel — MSNBC hasn’t some American frau “eyewitness “ on the phone with the worst vocal fry I’ve ever heard.

Baltimore news reporting on the Notre Dame Cathedral fire just announced Cher Tweeted her support for the Church, and cut from the fire to show the Tweet.

Is Cher gearing up to announce her candidacy for 2020?

^hasn’t = has

This is completely unfair. I am going to Paris this summer. Is there anything else to see other than the Eiffel Tower? I wonder if airlines will offer refunds.

Inside job. A controlled demolition.

they said that fire is NOT bigger

Shut up you philistine r320

I assume the fire is due to restoration etc but I just heard the Deputy Mayor of Paris say nothing has been ruled out.

Serves them right for smoking like chimney everywhere!

Stood for 700 years... and will come down to a roof timer and a unprepared fire company

I'm getting a 9/11 vibe from this. Definitely an attack by the Muslims.

R308 the hospital has been or is being evacuated.

Don't Muslim extremists always like to take credit for these kind of things, R327?

They will try to save as much as possible but I think all the stone walls have been weakened and will have to come down.

tiner not timer

Well if this was caused by the restoration workers this brings incompetency to levels never seen before.

If it weren't Holy Week, it wouldn't be so suspicious.

Tldr.... do they know how the fire started?

no, north part of cathedral is save NOW , they say but they cannot stop thefire . towers are safe at this moment ,but they dont coz fire can blow up. The back of it is gone

R332

It's being speculated the workers caused the fire, but it's interesting that nothing has reported that the workers notified anybody a fire had started.

Towers are now affected, very sad

Not sure if that includes the stained glass windows. Kinda doubt it.

Im sure tgey have insurance

The day after Palm Sunday. Just in time to make it a very tragic Easter in Paris. There will be no ressurection of this monument.

Guys, you can't pour tons of water on SANDSTONE without risking the sandstone to literally explode.

:-(

[quote]If it was arson, I doubt they’ll ever release that information to the public.

exactly. if it's terrorism, the goal will be to NOT allow anyone to claim credit.

LOL, R339.

Sorry, I couldn't help but laugh.

This is sad but it's still nothing compared to the damage Americans caused to the European heritage during WWII. I know the Germans brought it on themselves but it was sad nonetheless.

Are both front towers now affected or still only the north tower?

R336 the fire started when the workers were gone. Maybe some electrical appliance left over started it.

This is so tragic. I’ve been watching different coverages online from US and Europe. I just heard the Paris fire chief now saying they do not think the fire can be put out; all efforts now on trying to rescue what art, and what artifacts can be saved from inside, and hopefully saving the façade.

Some points from previous comments:

• the Cathedral itself is owned by the French State, not the Catholic Church. The revenue from tourists goes to the State for the supposed upkeep of the Cathedral, yet there have been no renovations in nearly 200 years, and of the €100mil raised for this renovation, the French State only committed €30 or €40mil. The rest was raised by the Church and private donations.

• why did it take firefighters almost 2 hours to arrive?

• why did the firefighters not use the water reservoir built into the Cathedral for just this situation?

• two different reporters implied that the French President meeting not with the fire chief, but with the police chief at the site (or wherever they are) may mean this was not an accidental fire. No one is coming out and saying anything definitively, but they're referencing, however vaguely, past failed attacks, as well as the arson of another church in Paris recently. I’m not so sure - but if it is, God help “the you know whos” in Paris and France.

It’s amazing seeing the thousands of Parisians lining the Siene watching. The reporting I’ve seen have most crying, praying aloud, and singing in grief.

Notre Dame is nearly 900 years old - beyond the spiritual significance, the historical significance and its loss is really staggering. I do feel sad for anyone who never was able to visit, experience this iconic cathedral.

Fluctuat nec mergitur!

What if there was an ISIS "sleeper cel" inside the ND restoration work crew?

All that scaffolding — was that on the inside of the building and exposed after the roof collapsed?

These places are always undergoing restoration work of some kind. If you travel enough you know this. It's a convenient excuse.

R115 Cool it’s like Church in a convertible

Someone needs to tell Brian Williams that the window he’s focusing on is not one of the famous rose windows. They are not visible in the shot.

I think the scaffolding was there due to the roof being restaurated, therefore being on the outside.

r347 is trying desperately to politicize this tragedy to fit his troll narrative.

Visited Notre Dame 12 years ago and was looking forward to visiting again with my daughter since she loves the Disney Hunchback movie. I hope Versailles and the Eiffel tower are still around for our visit!

And yes, this does feel like a terrorist attack :(...

ffff

R355 Die frau.

THERE WILL COME A DAY WHEN NOT ONE BUILDING IS LEFT STANDING.

And I was worried about the Louvre. Have been for a few years now. This has been devastating.

R357 frau cow

r320 No, there is nothing else to see in Paris. So, stay home on your farm and keep posting in the DL.

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Even The Angels Are Weeping.

R317 Oh great , I can just picture her. "It looked.. almost like a fire? Like the cathedral was burning? But it happened so fast, I almost couldn't tell? "

The stupid "frau" insult's taken over this year.

I hate teenagers.

Well, fuck, just fuckity fuckity fuck. The world didn't need this.

is r356 a real photo?

R356. Wow, truly devastating

[quote][R294] is desperate for a visit from the Secret Service. Keep it up, fuckhead.

Douche bag, I am American born and raised, last time I checked freedom of speech was the right of every man. But of course Trumptiers dont read or care about laws or facts or the Constitution.

And if you had half a brain, you would know that Trump live in the White House not in Trump Tower.

It was her, wasn't it?

Will the French ban cigarettes once they discover a worker doing the restore flicked his cig on the roof?

R367 yes, of course

R347 the firefighters were there in 15 min

Whoever/Whatever is responsible for this tragedy, between the culprits and the unfortunately insufficient response there is going to be HELL to pay. Heads will Roll.

I hope this is a coincidence but yesterday there was a fire here in NY at St. John The Divine.

15 min still seems slow, but it's Paris.

Our tragedy.

R372 What are you talking about? Smoking has been banned in public places since like 10 years ago.

Let's face it: We're the generation that blew it. Multiple centuries this thing has been around and we couldn't manage to keep it through ours. We're the dud descendants, the clown generation that lost the "family" fortune.

One of the ignored posters: Trolls typically repeat the same things over and over in short bursts since they aren't very literate.

Talking points: blame the French, ask how this could have happened, start talking about Muslim extremists. Use the word frau to make it seem like you are a real DLer.

OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! How did something like this happen?

OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! A frau lit a match after her BM and then threw it on an oily dishrag leftover from a construction worker.

OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! Of course this would happen when BLUMP is the president. He just unleashes shitty energy over the whole world.

OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! How was there not a better plan for a potential fire?

OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! Don't Muslim extremists always like to take credit for these kind of things, R327?

It was rush hour in Paris so the firefighters had trouble getting to the cathedral.

It took them 6 minutes not 15

R376 How can you even compare that ugly monstrosity with zero historical value to perhaps the most famous church in the world that's almost 900 years old?!

R354 - how on earth is anything I posted part of some “troll narrative” or “politicized” ?

As much as I have enjoyed DL thru the years for the bitchery, snark, gossip - I have to remember there’s always some sad sacks who would make Joan d’Arc leap into the flames rather than deal with their idiocy.

Attacking places of worship is today's trend. Let's hope this wasn't the case. The loss of this incredible structure is devastating enough, but to think that it could have deliberate is unfathomable.

[quote]Rebuild what exactly? It's gone. If a painting is destroyed do you make a copy and say here it is again?

Actually much of Notre Dame, including the spire that fell over just a little while ago, is a replica made in the mid 19th century. Time and various misadventures, such as vandalism in the French revolution, destroyed the original spire and other parts of the cathedral. So if they rebuilt it before, they can do it again.

[quote]What are you talking about? Smoking has been banned in public places since like 10 years ago.

Yet when I was there, people ignoring that ban, smoking everywhere! Cigarette buts all over the streets.

Looks like the famous windows are gone now

R384 and it is culturally insignificant to New Yorkers. Even St Pat's has more cultural relevance here. No one gives a flying fuck about they dying Episcopal Church anymore except its few remaining members.

You could visit the insid of Notre Dame for free, you would only pay if you wanted to climb the towers of visit the treasure, most of the tourist would visit the nave for free, get a couple of postcard for a couple of euros and that's it. Les monuments nationaux who run the visit of the tower also run hundreds of monuments in France, the big monuments in Paris collect money to maintain and restore many monuments al over France and not just the parisians ones.

Sky News just showed another burst of flames.

R356 there seems to be a hole on the left of the roof on this picture, so there at least a fire on the inside of the Cathedrale.

French news on France 2 tv channel, the north tower is "saved" for the moment.

R387 is right. The iconic gargoyles were also a rather recent addition. In a couple of years the cathedral will be renovated and no one will even remember this fire anymore.

This reminds me of the fire at the Vienna cathedral in 1945 - the ceiling there also collapsed, leaving only the outer walls standing.

Some idiot's W&W-ing ALL the posts

[quote]This reminds me of the fire at the Vienna cathedral in 1945 - the ceiling there also collapsed, leaving only the outer walls standing.

You remember that?

The 2 towers are saved

comment from the journalist about the towers being saved : "good news for the tourists, they will be able to come and climb them for the view, tourism is save!"

Stunned crowd singing in Paris.

Sky news: saved from total destruction!!!!!!!

That’s not the Rose window, Brian.

Another tragedy, another trip to the store to stock up on candles. Just be careful where you put them...

R399 they are singing the Ave Marie. Perhaps things like this will return us to the Faith. (Yeah, I'm a gay Catholic.)

They say the vault has not entirely collapsed.

Me too, 399.

R357: No, you die idiot!

BTW, I was a gay man the last time I checked, but I guess only 'fraus' can be parents in your world.

I guess God was taking a nap or helping a rapper win a grammy

Yes structure and towers will be saved apparently

It's the Brian Window, Rose.

Fire still not under control, France 2 news

Brian can see the top window.

Sky News: one firefighter seriously hurt. Will take 4-5 hours to extinguish completely. Not a total loss.

[quote]Stunned crowd singing in Paris.

Notice the absence of mobile phones.

If this was in the US, most of the people present would be making videos.

In the event it’s not completely destroyed, Catholics will no doubt deem it a “miracle.”

And well it may be, R414.

I'll wait to see the condition inside the Cathedrale to call it a miracle.

A terrible day for France. Apparently, 10 churches have burnt down in the last year. Does anyone know who might be behind this?

BBC News: Official stated that the "structure" of the cathedral has been saved.

r169 is as big a moron as his Orange Clown leader. No, dumping water on the building is not "logical." In fact, it would only make things worse.

Yes. R417. We know it's YOU!

Many of the cathedrals in Europe have had their facades replaced. The porous stone used for the facades are mediums for growing lichen and algae which weaken the stone. It is expensive and time consuming to recreate the facades but can be done.

[quote]Does anyone know who might be behind this?

International Conspiracy of Stupid, Careless Idiots.

Hundreds of lit candles in an old wood structure not a good idea. Just saying.

[quote]Some idiot's W&W-ing ALL the posts

How would you know that?

Maybe he's the idiot, R 424.

We don't need no water, let the motherfucker BURN!!! A symbol of imperialism and fundamentalist Catholic bullshit. Let it BURN the FUCK DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R419, well, if this were fucking Trump Tower, pouring tons of water into the burning building would help.

Being an illiterate and ignorant moron though, President Plump, however, has got no idea that pouring tons of water onto heated SANDSTONE will eventually make the sandstone virtually explode.

What does W&Wing mean?

Not to make this All About Me, but I feel a tinge of pain that I never got to see this beautiful work of art in person. I envy everyone here who did. This is incredibly difficult to watch.

[quote]This is the only update the French civil defense agency has provided in English. It notes that water-bombing aircrafts, or “flying water tanks” as suggested by US president Donald Trump, could lead to the “collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.”

[quote]Sécurité Civile Fr (@SecCivileFrance)

[quote]Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible #NotreDame fire under control. [bold]All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.[/bold]

A miracle would be if a cloud formed over the cathedral and dumped enough rain on the fire to put it out after it started. Anything else afterwards is just lucky.

One firefighter was badly injured

R431 please read R430

[quote] Some idiot's W&W-ing ALL the posts

Even if true, what's the harm ?

Awful shame about the cathedral. It took a century to build and five hours to build. When the allies were about to take Paris in 1944 he gave the military governor orders to demolish the structure. What Hitler couldn't destroy this did.

R417 I'm hearing reports of a construction accident being the cause. And of course all the wood in the cathedral hastened this awful event. But nothing is 100 percent clear right now.

I was there on Easter Sunday last year. So tragic to see this happen.

Whenever a momentous event like this occurs, I always fantasize about being part of the drama somehow. Right now, I'm imagining being that person whose apartment is in the foreground of CNN footage. I'm oblivious to the fact that the whole world is watching me as I walk around in the warm glow of its interior.

Sky News saying they've managed to save the stone structures - walls and towers. Will still need a few hours to bring fire fully under control.

Sky News: rose Window between the towers may still be intact other two rose windows dating back to 13th century have been destroyed.

All the wood panels from the abside, and it's impossible to move it, I wonder what's left? from the 14th century

Time for cheesy celebrity tweets!

The idea that Trump has anything to sat about firefighting is a joke. He thinks he’s the universal expert.

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Reporters keep saying firefighters trying to save the artwork — what could possibly be left ?

Went there as a teenager and was in awe. Sad to see it burn. Odd timing too, which I'm sure has been said already.

It a shame that all the wood panels have probably burned.

It's not the first cathedral to ever burn, or to be rebuilt. But it is a tragedy.

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Remember the Disney version of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, where one of the gargoyles had a homosexual attraction to Esmeralda's goat? What the fuck were they on when they came up with that?

France 2 stopped their live coverage, TF1 continue for the moment, with some footage from the firemen.

[quote]They rake in close to 100 million a year with tourist fees. Where was all that money going in the fist place?

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry at your naiveté.

Officials say the main structure will be saved.

Fuck off, Trump-fellating R169.

Water dropped that way would collapse the structure, which is what the Paris fire department just confirmed.

THAT BATON WAS ON FIRE!

I hope the Crown of Thorns was unscathed.

This thread needs a soundtrack:

[quote]Fuck off, Trump-fellating [R169].

People are clearly very upset by this.

R457 At 3:28 Was Venezuela being consumed...

[quote]Baltimore news reporting on the Notre Dame Cathedral fire just announced Cher Tweeted her support for the Church, and cut from the fire to show the Tweet.

During the 9/11 news coverage, one of the networks was airing live calls from various celebrities and authorities. The person's name was on screen, alongside their photo. Everyone had just one photo, except Cher, who had a carousel of at least six different rotating images while she spoke.

I've had to turn off my WW - that freak is still at it.

This event has brought out the weirdos.

CHER:-

Am praying for Notre Dame🙏🏻

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Devastation &💔…French are strong,& 🇺🇸 & The 🌎Will Never Forget Those with The Spirit Of La Marseillaise

Terrorism

Fire and water damage. Structural integrity. Of course it can be re-built but will never be the same. Twin towers. If it doesn't completely burn down then the remains would suffice instead of an artifice recreation.

They should rebuild with Legos

Pics of the hottest Pompiers soon, please!

r466- delusional

This is very upsetting. I plan to take my mother to Paris for the first time next year. She had wanted to go since she was a child and is literaly crying at the lost opportunity to see this church. It's Paris so there are a million other things to see, but this was a big one for our Catholic family.

I know this is jsut my insignifigant story, but I understand how these moumnets can mean so much to people. My mother will get over the shock, and they will rebuild, but it will never be the same.

It's also my favourite church, I am thankful that I had a chance to visit. Moved me more than the (hideous) Gaudi church in Barcelona.

The organ had been restaured in 2014. Made of wood, of course, and pewter, higly sensitive to termic choc, if it didn't go dow in flame.

R458, according to France24, it was saved.

Guys, haven't you seen the drone pics? No way there's anything left of the interior decoration stuff.

I've never been a religious man, but as an architectural and historical wonder, this is devastating.

R470, take her to Chartres. As a lovely consolation.

No one can speak to the structural soundness of the Cathedral until the fire is out and inspectors can survey the damage.

Giant insurance fire.

R470 Saint Chapelle. Stunning.

Nice note, on it's last full day the Catherdral was filled to the rafters for Palm Sunday, not a bad way to go. Would have been better if it made it to Easter but it's seen like 800 so no great loss. It crazy to think that may favs Louis XIV, Louis XVI, and Maria Anttionette had mass in that place (seperate times). What history.

Macron is back. The Archevêque is speaking, Macron in the background.

I’m heartbroken.

It’s religion, art, history, money, and family, at least, all in one edifice. And all destroyed!

r477 thank you so much. I am a bit emberassed to say, but I forgot this Catherdral existed. I've never been but will add this to out itenerary!

You are a gem.

The basilique of Saint Denis where kings and queens of France are buried has been trashed lately by a Pakistani man (illegal migrant) who was caught because of the DNA he left in the church. Don't know about others churches but yes, numerous churches have been vandalized for one year.

BBC News:

JUST IN: French official says the stone structure of Notre-Dame has been saved from "total destruction"

Macron : thanking the firemen, next hours will be difficult, prayer for the catholics during this holy week, parisian, etc about History,etc...

#BREAKING Notre-Dame's main structure is "saved and preserved" after fire.

Can’t stop crying.

in short Macron : "we will rebuilt ND".

I guess there were lots of decisions to be taken when it comes to saving vs giving up on particular parts of the cathedral. There sure was some priotizing as to what could be saved in order to focus on these things.

If they could re-build Vienna, Dresden, Leipzig, and Florence after WW2 bombardment, I suppose a convincing reconstruction of the basics of ND could happen, but there's just so little craftsman and artisanal talent around now.

Not in anyway to compare the historical and architectural significance of the two, but at Christmas 2009, St Mel’s Cathedral in Longford, Ireland was destroyed by fire (I have family in the locality and they were devastated). Only a shell remained. They were able to shore up what remained, and restore/rebuild the Cathedral - keeping true to its original design and aesthetic. Again not the same, but offered as a bit of hope to demonstrate Notre Dame may rise from the ashes.

End of coverage for TF1. Bonne nuit tout le monde, will see tomorrow morning what's left.

To be honest, Notre Dame isn't even among top 5 most beautiful gothic cathedrals in France. Cathedrals in Amiens, Reims, Bourges, Chartres etc. are all greater architectural wonders but they weren't as exposed in pop culture as Notre Dame was so if those burned down no one but the French people and art historians would care.

Notre Dame wasn't even the place where the French kings were being coronated - that was in Reims. That cathedral also suffered terribly during WWI but has later been beautifully restored.

In 15 years on the DL , have never heard so many evil , moronic and vile comments. It was NOT CAUSED by Pedos in the Catholic Church , will not be Resurrected by Sunday . I an not Religious , but this is 900 YEARS OF BEAUTY UP IN FLAMES.

I know someone who died in Windows , your comment is not funny in the least.

NOT a snowflake here , but there is always talk about how deplorables treat Gays , but the hostility on this thread is equal to anything out of their mouths.

Bon dodo R491

[quote]there's just so little craftsman and artisanal talent around now.

Someone's getting bitchy!

True r493. Sometimes the ugliness on this site is too much.

R489, let's not forget though that it took more than 50 years before the reconstruction of Dresden's Frauenkirche started.

Fifty years of the remaining ruins being left over.

I guess it won't take Paris THAT long.

Former US President Barack Obama tweets about the Notre Dame fire: "Notre Dame is one of the world’s great treasures ... It’s in our nature to mourn when we see history lost — but it’s also in our nature to rebuild for tomorrow, as strong as we can"

The face of DataLounge has drastically changed over the course of the last five years. And it's not a good change.

R499, I've been here for a while, too.

What changes have you noticed the most?

Officials at #NotreDame scene reporting the fire has dropped in intensity and cathedral structure "saved", particularly the north belfry. Building being "cooled". Fire officer confirms this but says 2/3 of roof destroyed. Firefighters now trying to save works of art inside.

Whose the big busted blond on SkyNews whose sagging East and West titties are threating to collapse?

Most old European buildings have been restored so many times that very little of the original structure and internal decoration (literally fragments) remains from when they were built. They would have fallen down and been eaten by woodworm otherwise.

We just don't tell US tourists that.

Isis

R500 As r496 simply stated "The ugliness on this thread."

Paris is Burning!

R498: Now, THAT sounds Presidential.

There has been a spate of arson attacks on churches throughout France in the last few months. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a deliberate act.

[Quote]15 min still seems slow, but it's Paris.

Tell me about it!

All is impermanent

Early plans for renovation have already been revealed:

Can we reelect him if we tweak his name?

🍀 Barack O'Bama

The spittle is flying, as are the typos and conspiracy theories.

And still, 1000s worldwide all are failing to realize the sad irony of tossing 'thoughts and prayers" out on the internet after a building made precisely for that activity could not be saved by such useless gestures.

Here's a glimpse inside the building. Quite a surreal sight

R508- A voice of reason

I got home about an hour ago and turned the TV on to see this. When it finally registered what was going on, I burst into tears and I'm an atheist. It's so surreal and on Holy Week, no less. There goes history, up in flames.

[quote]I burst into tears

MARY!

There's also Sacre Coeur in Paris, r492. Beautiful cathedral with a stunning view.

r517 this is worth bursting into tears. It's like the White House going up in flames, just something that shouldn't happen to a monumnet. I'd say that the WH is less signifigant than this church given the history, but it would still be a blow to a nation.

I feel fortunate to have visited it in my lifetime. So much history and art destroyed. It’s heartbreaking. We don’t even have the quality of artisans we had in the past. It will take decades to rebuild and will have a modern influence. With many hundreds of years, it will have an aura of age again. But no one now in this lifetime will experience it.

Did you know...

The spires were supposed to be like typical churches, rising much higher than these flat top columns and to a point, but:

It took centuries to build and the world was more secular when it was time for the spires, and therefore there wasn’t the money and interest for it, (to simplify).

And

They were afraid the spires would be too heavy with all that additional stonework.

There is a design drawing of what it would look like somewhere online, but I cannot find it now.

(This is also the reason Boston’s Cathedral, built on piling in mud, also lacks proper spires.)

As an American, it's interesting to compare our history. Notre Dame is twice as old as the first settlements here. And personally R519 I'd be ok with the WH burning as long as our entire First Family was inside

No building is worth crying over. All buildings fail over time, fire, flood, earthquake, termites, rot, erosion. Its sad that all the artwork put into it for 800 years is lost but not going to burst into tears over it. All buildings even the pyramids will fail over time. Sometimes suddenly.

Isn't the Notre Dame built on a site where pagans used to go?

Yes, r524, It's built over a Gallo Roman city. I wonder if the museum beneath the church that preserved the ruins was damaged.

Didn't the Queen rebuild after one of her palaces got torched? I'm sure this will create tons of jobs for historians.

La cathedrale engloutie.

FUCK!!!!!!!!

They will never admit terrorism.

The spire at the accident prone Lincoln Cathedral in the UK fell down for the 2nd time in 1549 (the first time in 1237 it collapsed and killed the congregation) and was never rebuilt.

There are loads of Artisan stone masons in Europe, restoring fucked buildings is an industry on its own.

Then why do they "admit" it every other time it's terrorism?

Terrorist love credit for what they do R529, unless they come forward to dispute what the Firemen on site say, your conspiracy theory shit is out of control. I bet I am not the first person to say that to you.

R529 Dumbass if this was ISIS they'd be livestreaming already talking about how they did it

So old.

Hillary Clinton:

My heart goes out to Paris. Notre Dame is a symbol of our ability as human beings to unite for a higher purpose—to build breathtaking spaces for worship that no one person could have built on their own. I wish France strength and shared purpose as they grieve and rebuild.

This never would have happened if the cathedral had been taking its PrEP as prescribed.

R519 the White House was ENTIRELY rebuilt in steel, but saving a fair amount of original surface materials.

[quote]And still, 1000s worldwide all are failing to realize the sad irony of tossing 'thoughts and prayers" out on the internet after a building made precisely for that activity could not be saved by such useless gestures.

No, it's just that you're a cynical bitch who thinks he is clever and the rest of humanity hates people like you.

Sagrada Familia's projected completion date is 2026. Lot's of stone masons will be available then, if not now. I visited in 2000 and by the looks of crumbling masonry, there was much work to be done then. Maybe they're just doing finishing touches now.

[quote]The illuminati's obsession with destroying the Catholic church and their attack on christianity (preferring science to God) is the biggest non-secret we have today. This is very symbolic.

Are you retarded or just stupid and paranoid? I sincerely hope you’re joking.

[quote]Are you retarded or just stupid and paranoid?

This thread has been exhausting.

Where are the cellphone clips/pics from the people in it or just around it when it started? Or was it already closed for the day? Regardless, I remember the park around the back where it supposedly started which has loads of people.

Ooh la la la la la la la la!

Photo of interior:

Insurance fire set by the Vatican Bank to generate cash for child sex abuse settlements. Obviously.

Remember when Inspector Clouseau was blown into Notre Dame Cathedral in one of The Pink Panther films?

R546 that's not nearly as terrible as I feared

crown of thorns is saved. saw on the news tonight.

Extensive

I forgot it was holy week! In that case, terrorism is a possibility. But let's see what the investigation says.

R549 that must have been very early in the fire. It’s pretty extensively damaged.

Une bonne nouvelle : toutes les œuvres d’art ont été sauvées. Le trésor de la cathédrale est intact, la couronne d’épines, les saints sacrements.

R549, dream on. Look at the drone pics and you'll know the interior is GONE.

This is a terrible tragedy, but to future generations, this will just be one episode in the story of Notre Dame. The loss of the spire is sad, but it was itself a reconstruction built in the 1850s. The stonework may be saved. I remember the disastrous fire at Windsor castle in the 1990s. At the time the destruction looked like this, but much was ableto be rescued or restored.

A new generation will now take up the task of rescuing the remnants and recreating what has been lost, and people will still be marvelling over their work in hundreds of years.

it is not gone

Looks expensive.

I can't imagine being one of the original builders and knowing that even your grandchildren might not live to see it.

It's like something from 'Pillars of the Earth".

It's obvious now that it was mostly the wooden roof structure that was on fire, which is also why there was so much smoke. It looks like most of the vaults are still intact (for now). The main stone stucture seems to be pretty much uharmed. You can't take down those ancient stones just like that.

R557 that looks like a gateway to Hell!

Guadalupe Paris website

OMG, R541, you’re fucking NUTS!!!

I cannot believe people actually think this stuff and share it with rational people.

Any leads regarding the REAL cause of this fire?

Face it, the interior wooden decoration stuff is GONE. So are very likely the rose windows.

This building has been under attack and under restoration for centuries. Ransacked during the revolution, and stripped of all monarchical symbols, the statues of biblical kings decapitated. And the tower replaced when it was in danger of falling down.

The pictures of the flames are dramatic, but like the Windsor Castle fire, it is very possible that the damage below roof level is less than it appears. Let’s hope so.

ffff

vvvv

Madame Hidalgo, mayor of Paris, coming out from the church half an hour ago: "it is less terrible than what I feared"

« il y a un grand trou, au niveau du toit, à l’endroit où était la flèche, désormais en miette dans la nef. L’autel et sa croix sont préservés. C’est moins terrible que je le craignais »

Oops! Sorry, R541, I meant that comment for the person to whom you quoted, not you.

Losing the roof means that though the stone structure may still be intact, it is still in danger. The stone walls are currently unsupported without the counterweight of the roof against the buttresses. Hopefully structural engineers will be able to get in there immediately to shore up the walls to save what is left.

rose windows are not 850 years old, anyway

If those pics are within the last hour then it doesn’t look as bad as feared

Is the Vatican paying for the damage ?

The media and people are going to feel stupid tomorrow - all this coverage and panicking and all that was really lost was the tacky 19th century spire and there's a small hole in the ceiling. But I admit that the footage of the smoke rising from the church did look very dramatic.

The crown of thorns is fake, right ?

THey said they are gonna rebuild. the bell towers are saved. you know shit was stolen.

See it wasn't THAT bad. The prayers from Parisians worked!!

R575 don’t forget the tears from All the marys here!

French billionaire businessman Francois-Henri Pinault is pledging €100 million towards rebuilding Notre Dame, he has said in a statement.

3 minutes of Mass a few years ago. I missed taping the best part, the horns, but this is beautiful, too.

R574 - the Catholic Church doesn’t own Notre Dame, the French State does.

R575 and R579, now that the fire in Notre Dame seems so have weakened, feel free to die in a nice grease fire.

*seems TO have weakened

Fortunately we at DL are ready to help with our many middle class America men near retirement age, with plenty of time on their hands, who became expert artistes de vitrail in their boyhoods in the 60s and 70s.

r580 one time when billionaires are worth a damn. I would gladly give to the rebuild fund as well. It's history and worth tossing a couple of bucks at to restore. They did a good job with Versailles, thank Jackie O! They can rebuild the church, as others said hopefully the walls hold.

r582 exactly, if the church still owned it then some of the millions in tourists fees funds might have gone to the actual building's upkeep. Don't see the Vatican burning down and that bitch is old as dirt.

The stained glass windows are not the originasl, they were all redone in 18th and 19th centuries

Constructions workers, ISIS. Same difference.

I blame the gilets jaunes

R583 I'll save my tears for lost heritage that can never be replaced, like Andrea Mantegna's frescoes in Cappella Ovetari in Padua. All that was lost tonight were a few wooden beams, that can easily be reconstructed.

R588, no.

[quote] The third circle [of the south rose window] has some medallions with scenes from the New Testament Gospel of Matthew which date from the last quarter of the 12th century. These are the oldest glass in the window.

[quote]Oh man, what a horrible thing to witness. Wish the Germans could be there. They seem like boy scouts

No. Keep the Germans out. They caused enough destruction in France.

I'm sure everything inside was well documented, including the windows. It may be ridiculously painstaking, but they could re-do them.

I hope this is a wakeup call to my fellow DL Travel fans. No guarantees. I could've seen Notre Dame last summer but I thought "next time, I'll stop in Paris"

Just saw updated report on MSNBC. So basically the wooden spire and the roof were destroyed (and some windows). Not catastrophic. Probably more water damage than anything.

The french are teh great artist of the world, so the skills are there and the money wont be a problem after the world throught we were watching the entire thing burn.

R594 but it is not the same, it is just a copy then

During two separate occasions on Monday afternoon, Fox anchors Shepard Smith and Neil Cavuto had to dump out of interviews after their guests wildly speculated and parroted conspiracy theories that the #NotreDameFire was an intentionally malicious act

Neil Cavuto hung up on Catholic League president Bill Donohue mid-conversation while Shepard Smith openly scolded a guest who echoed baseless speculation about the horrific fire.

I saved Windsor Castle and I would have saved Notre Dame.

I still have one horse-faced daughter to marry off. Is anyone interested?

Some statues were saved before the fire. They were taken away to be cleaned.

The SJW French will create new "unité" window designs, kumbaya about multicultural post-colonial France. There will be new carvings commissioned by French muslim artists, as well. And why not? Nobody can see the details of those windows with their own eyesight from the floor.

r595 no joke my family said the same thing about visiting the World Trade Center's resturant when we went to NYC for the 99/00 New Years.

r600 did andrew realyl help Windsor

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Pity Mark Wahlberg was not in town to save the day.

R595: I saw Notre Dame from the outside and figured I would go inside next time. Damn.

They don't even know who/what really happened.

I visited Westminster Abbey last year and felt enormous relief that it still stands after so many centuries. It was badly damaged during the London blitz but survived to be the site of the coronation of our (I'm a Canadian) current monarch. As far as I recall the N.D. spire dates from the 19th c. thanks to Viollet-le-Duc I hope that the medieval stained glass might be preserved and remounted. The rose windows we

When I visited Westminster Abbey in 2018 I was moved that such an ancient building with its many monuments should still be standing even though it was badly damaged during the Blitz. As for N.D. I hope that the medieval stain glass can be salvaged and put into a new rose window.

My penis hurts.

The Catholic country which built this cathedral over many centuries through faith and spirituality no longer exists.

The best they can do is build a Disney replica like the campanile in St Mark's square and La Fenice.

A $7 million restoration when it clearly needed 50 million? Who was doing this Ace Hardware? No wonder it went up like a haystack. French corruption at its finest.

R344, it is not a competition, for f*ck sake .

R426, Imperialism ? Imperialism has nothing to do with a Medieval cathedral you dimwit.

[quote] A symbol of imperialism and fundamentalist Catholic bullshit.

Wrong on both counts.