[quote]Notre Dame cathedral has caught fire, according to the Parisian fire service and eyewitnesses.
OMG - Notre Dame is on fire!
|by Anonymous||reply 611||Last Monday at 7:43 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 1||Last Monday at 9:40 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||Last Monday at 9:41 AM|
Is the Hunchback ok?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||Last Monday at 9:45 AM|
I love football and it's awesome to see Notre Dame on fire the way they are GO TEAM!
---Donald Trump's twitter
|by Anonymous||reply 4||Last Monday at 9:48 AM|
Did Muslims do it?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||Last Monday at 9:49 AM|
r4 wins thread
|by Anonymous||reply 6||Last Monday at 9:50 AM|
What the actual F??
|by Anonymous||reply 7||Last Monday at 9:51 AM|
It’s a huge inferno.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||Last Monday at 9:52 AM|
I'm not a Christian but this is really tragic
|by Anonymous||reply 9||Last Monday at 9:54 AM|
Trump's real tweet:
[quote]So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!
|by Anonymous||reply 10||Last Monday at 9:55 AM|
The roof has fallen in.
This is MAJOR!
|by Anonymous||reply 11||Last Monday at 9:56 AM|
They didn't rake enough. - Dumb Donnie
|by Anonymous||reply 12||Last Monday at 9:58 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 13||Last Monday at 9:58 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 14||Last Monday at 9:58 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 15||Last Monday at 9:59 AM|
MUST ACT QUICKLY!!!! SAD!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 16||Last Monday at 10:00 AM|
The birds in r13 make the picture especially haunting for some reason
|by Anonymous||reply 17||Last Monday at 10:00 AM|
Throw them paper towels!
|by Anonymous||reply 18||Last Monday at 10:00 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 19||Last Monday at 10:00 AM|
Paris again. Waiting for the gay scream.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||Last Monday at 10:01 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 21||Last Monday at 10:02 AM|
No more Flambés for you.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||Last Monday at 10:03 AM|
I saw they had renovations in attic....
|by Anonymous||reply 23||Last Monday at 10:05 AM|
The spire has fallen
|by Anonymous||reply 24||Last Monday at 10:05 AM|
The famous stained glass windows? - GONE
|by Anonymous||reply 25||Last Monday at 10:05 AM|
That thing was built in the 12th century. Tragic loss. Unbelievable.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||Last Monday at 10:06 AM|
The entire church is on fire now.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||Last Monday at 10:06 AM|
This is fucking sad
|by Anonymous||reply 28||Last Monday at 10:06 AM|
Anyone else reminded of 9/11?
|by Anonymous||reply 29||Last Monday at 10:06 AM|
Shame. It was beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||Last Monday at 10:06 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 31||Last Monday at 10:07 AM|
At the beginning of holy week too...
|by Anonymous||reply 32||Last Monday at 10:07 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 33||Last Monday at 10:08 AM|
Looks like the fire is out of control.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||Last Monday at 10:08 AM|
It is sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||Last Monday at 10:08 AM|
Again. I can't tell if R10 is joking.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||Last Monday at 10:08 AM|
The sky is so blue.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||Last Monday at 10:09 AM|
The support structure is wooden beams and were probably very dry.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||Last Monday at 10:10 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 39||Last Monday at 10:10 AM|
This will ruin the annual Easter Egg hunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||Last Monday at 10:10 AM|
13th century wood is in the cathedral, so I imagine fighting the fire is even more difficult.
From CBS news, police say no deaths thus far.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||Last Monday at 10:11 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 42||Last Monday at 10:11 AM|
Please ban the idiotic racist troll comparing this to 9/11.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||Last Monday at 10:11 AM|
some of the responses to Trump
[quote]"must act quickly," what awesome advice! oh my god, it's a good thing you mentioned that because otherwise the fireman would have lollygagged their way to the fire while smoking cigarettes and carrying baguettes in a little net tote as French firemen usually do. GOOD THINKING SIR
[quote]You said exactly what I was thinking. It's almost like we are twins or something.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||Last Monday at 10:12 AM|
It feels part and parcel of the deep-rooted grimness that is everywhere these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||Last Monday at 10:13 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 46||Last Monday at 10:13 AM|
This reminds me of the time when Buckingham palace burned a few years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||Last Monday at 10:13 AM|
Hold me, David.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||Last Monday at 10:14 AM|
I actually feel like crying.
I know ....
|by Anonymous||reply 49||Last Monday at 10:14 AM|
It was Windsor, R47 - not BP
|by Anonymous||reply 50||Last Monday at 10:14 AM|
R47, that was Windsor Castle.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||Last Monday at 10:15 AM|
So is the Disney live-action reboot a no go now?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||Last Monday at 10:15 AM|
And it was 25 years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||Last Monday at 10:16 AM|
Isn’t this church made of stone? How could a fire collapse it? I’m asking.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||Last Monday at 10:16 AM|
It's heartbreaking seeing the burning spire fall.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||Last Monday at 10:17 AM|
Why did it go so fast? It makes me sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||Last Monday at 10:17 AM|
I'm welling up
|by Anonymous||reply 57||Last Monday at 10:17 AM|
After the spire collapsed the entire interior is now in flames, according to officials. So sad, so much history and art lost.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||Last Monday at 10:18 AM|
Apparently there's a ton of wooden beams....known as "the forest"
|by Anonymous||reply 59||Last Monday at 10:19 AM|
Oh god, r58. I just texted my art historian friend.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||Last Monday at 10:19 AM|
FINALLY some water!
That took them time.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||Last Monday at 10:19 AM|
The interior is full of very old dry wood the interior is on fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
[quote]Oh god, [R58]. I just texted my art historian friend.
Tell us what he writes back!
|by Anonymous||reply 63||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
"Holy shit," r63
|by Anonymous||reply 64||Last Monday at 10:20 AM|
They were restoring it.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||Last Monday at 10:21 AM|
How did something like this happen?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||Last Monday at 10:22 AM|
I could have my hookers piss on it.
Donald J Trump
|by Anonymous||reply 67||Last Monday at 10:22 AM|
After watching 60 Minutes my first thought was Steve Bannon.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||Last Monday at 10:23 AM|
I needed the levity of r67 ...
|by Anonymous||reply 69||Last Monday at 10:23 AM|
Construction accident R66
|by Anonymous||reply 70||Last Monday at 10:23 AM|
[quote]How did something like this happen?
Hang in there! R60's onto it:-
[quote]I just texted my art historian friend.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||Last Monday at 10:24 AM|
They have just ONE SINGLE fire hose from what I can see.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||Last Monday at 10:26 AM|
This is part of the world's art heritage. Conservatively, 200,000,000 people or more have reverentially trudged through Notre Dame to see the famous stained glass, the various chapels, to marvel at the amount of light that gothic architecture allowed into the interior of a massive building, to wonder how it was constructed in medieval times, long before cranes and rock cutting machinery, to see the famous gargoyles at the top. When I saw the birds in the photo above, I thought of those gargoyles.......
|by Anonymous||reply 73||Last Monday at 10:26 AM|
I just saw 2 weak firehoses R72
|by Anonymous||reply 74||Last Monday at 10:28 AM|
Hundreds of years of history and art is now in literal ashes.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||Last Monday at 10:28 AM|
Kindly fuck right off r71
|by Anonymous||reply 76||Last Monday at 10:28 AM|
[quote] "My thoughts are with all Catholics and all French people. Like all of our compatriots, I am sad this evening to see this part of us burning."
|by Anonymous||reply 77||Last Monday at 10:29 AM|
I went to Mass there a few years ago by accident. OMG, it was so beautiful! They had a musical horn section (like in the Ricola commercials) and a choir. It was packed. Everybody was dressed in their best French clothes. It was as moving as the Louvre or Versailles. I had to stay! There was a little boy there in a suit. He was so cute! (I’m not a pedo.) So sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||Last Monday at 10:31 AM|
Will this fire affect their stadium?
|by Anonymous||reply 79||Last Monday at 10:31 AM|
The entire island where Notre Dame is located is being evacuated! Via CBS.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||Last Monday at 10:31 AM|
[quote]I just saw 2 weak firehoses [R72]
Which seem to be doing absolutely NOTHING.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||Last Monday at 10:31 AM|
Macron has arrived on the scene
|by Anonymous||reply 82||Last Monday at 10:32 AM|
Neo Nazis did it.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||Last Monday at 10:32 AM|
On CBS they said people are watching and weeping.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||Last Monday at 10:32 AM|
Somebody did Something.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||Last Monday at 10:33 AM|
Loved my Paris visits that included tours of Notre Dame.
But really. It's not like the Catholic church doesn't have billions to repair the entire building. It's karma for centuries of oppression and abuse, so 'quelle triste, pede centrale!'
|by Anonymous||reply 86||Last Monday at 10:33 AM|
I want to cry.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||Last Monday at 10:33 AM|
Do we know how it started?
|by Anonymous||reply 88||Last Monday at 10:34 AM|
R73 if 200 million have gone im sure they have plenty of euros to rebuild it.
Trump notre damr
|by Anonymous||reply 89||Last Monday at 10:34 AM|
This is a tragedy! All that history destroyed. I'm crying, you can't rebuild something like that
|by Anonymous||reply 90||Last Monday at 10:34 AM|
r86 is an idiot
|by Anonymous||reply 91||Last Monday at 10:34 AM|
R88, Girl Scouts making Smores, Rose
|by Anonymous||reply 92||Last Monday at 10:34 AM|
Oh, please. ALL the french smoke. It was probably a construction worker on break, puffing away.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||Last Monday at 10:34 AM|
[quote]On CBS they said people are watching and weeping.
What did you expect? Dancing and singing?
|by Anonymous||reply 94||Last Monday at 10:35 AM|
This is so awful. Me too, R87, what a devastating loss.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||Last Monday at 10:35 AM|
R91 = triggered frau-phag. Google "sarcasm," queen.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||Last Monday at 10:35 AM|
OMG, what if it's ISIS?
|by Anonymous||reply 97||Last Monday at 10:36 AM|
Le ciel était si bleu!
|by Anonymous||reply 98||Last Monday at 10:36 AM|
This will be an anus horribilis.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||Last Monday at 10:37 AM|
I’m crying too. The only more beautiful building in Paris is Sainte-Chappelle.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||Last Monday at 10:37 AM|
[quote] Le ciel était si bleu!
I like bleu.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||Last Monday at 10:37 AM|
The fire hose is like a pathetic joke.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||Last Monday at 10:38 AM|
It will take years to rebuild.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||Last Monday at 10:38 AM|
That girl is on fire!
|by Anonymous||reply 104||Last Monday at 10:38 AM|
[quote]It will take years to rebuild.
Will they even bother?
|by Anonymous||reply 105||Last Monday at 10:39 AM|
OMG, what if it's anti-Catholic white supremacists?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||Last Monday at 10:40 AM|
" Anyone else reminded of 9/11? "
You mean, R29, except for this NOT being a terrorist attack coordinated by Dick Cheney and the military industrial complex + Saudis, and there NOT being 3000 people inside who were incinerated, and there NOT being layers of C4 installed by Marvin Bush?
|by Anonymous||reply 107||Last Monday at 10:40 AM|
R86 is a moron. You sound like all those evangelical ministers who blame weather-related tragedies on the gays. Grow up or at least shut up.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||Last Monday at 10:40 AM|
There is a concern that the walls will collapse now.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||Last Monday at 10:41 AM|
It seems as if the whole roof is gone...is that true? I have never been there.
They tried to protect something delicate. It is gone, I think.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||Last Monday at 10:41 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 111||Last Monday at 10:43 AM|
The Catholic Church will repair it??? Are you retarded? This can nit be repaired?
|by Anonymous||reply 112||Last Monday at 10:44 AM|
R108 - counting her rosary and offering 'thoughts and prayers' online while demanding sympathy from complete strangers online.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||Last Monday at 10:44 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 114||Last Monday at 10:45 AM|
R110 roof is gone
|by Anonymous||reply 115||Last Monday at 10:46 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 116||Last Monday at 10:47 AM|
not much water i see . they are joking, seriously
|by Anonymous||reply 117||Last Monday at 10:48 AM|
Thoughts and prayers. xx
|by Anonymous||reply 118||Last Monday at 10:48 AM|
R86 , hopefully you will rot in eternal fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||Last Monday at 10:48 AM|
What's gone is irreplaceable, as the art historian mentioned in another post will probably tell us.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||Last Monday at 10:48 AM|
R93 we don'y know, the workers were gone when the fire started
|by Anonymous||reply 121||Last Monday at 10:48 AM|
Link did not work, R116. Anyone have live views or coverage?
|by Anonymous||reply 122||Last Monday at 10:49 AM|
They said it wa literally falling apart and the current repairs were urgent. It hadn’t undergone restoration since the 1800s. They were trying to raise several hundred million Euros over 5 years for the current project. They estimate it taking over a billion to rebuild. In a sad kind of way, the world-wide coverage of this will bring in that money I think.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||Last Monday at 10:49 AM|
CBS just ended their live coverage, but DL Fave David Muir on ABC still has their coverage.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||Last Monday at 10:50 AM|
LIVE from Paris
|by Anonymous||reply 125||Last Monday at 10:50 AM|
STEVE BANNON strikes again!
|by Anonymous||reply 126||Last Monday at 10:51 AM|
That’s a shame ™
|by Anonymous||reply 127||Last Monday at 10:51 AM|
Seeing the spire fall makes me feel hopeless
|by Anonymous||reply 128||Last Monday at 10:51 AM|
R119 = deluded Xtian, damning complete strangers to her fictional Hell.
R119 = the fat face of Xitiantic hypocrisy.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||Last Monday at 10:51 AM|
they said there isn't much they can do because it is made of stone so the inside is like an oven and no one would be able to survive inside to fight it. I think this is a sign but don't know of what. There have been predictions that the church is on it's way out and maybe this is the beginning of the end. But it more than just a Catholic church and it will never be replaced because how can you?
|by Anonymous||reply 130||Last Monday at 10:52 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 131||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
R129 is psychotic.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
Ugh RE the trolls on this thread
|by Anonymous||reply 133||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
What is believed to be THE ACTUAL crown of thorns that Jesus wore was stored in the Cathedral. Wow art, history, relics all lost.
Whether you're a believer or not, what is lost will never be replaced.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
It's getting dark in Paris - 20:53
|by Anonymous||reply 135||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
oops R129 is the ignoramus
|by Anonymous||reply 136||Last Monday at 10:53 AM|
R119 is a nasty cunt, like most religionists. What a surprise.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||Last Monday at 10:54 AM|
R136 = easily confused churchy cuntress.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||Last Monday at 10:54 AM|
r133 it really shows how they have taken over Datalounge and the Webmaster doesn't seem to care at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||Last Monday at 10:54 AM|
Stop attacking each other - you're just as bad as each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||Last Monday at 10:54 AM|
It has been repaired in this century and it was being repaired further.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||Last Monday at 10:55 AM|
Looks like the water from the fire hoses couldn't reach the roof which is why the fire was out of control.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||Last Monday at 10:55 AM|
Oh, R139, cool your churchy ass down. I've been on DL since 1998. STFU and block me of you're such a sensitive twit.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||Last Monday at 10:55 AM|
Trump called it "The fire that they're having ..."
Yes, dumbass. Like it's a party.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||Last Monday at 10:56 AM|
The "spine" has gone.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||Last Monday at 10:56 AM|
[quote]Yes, dumbass. Like it's a party.
Stop making it all about YOUR President FOR ONCE.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||Last Monday at 10:57 AM|
[quote] It will take years to rebuild.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||Last Monday at 10:58 AM|
The left hand front tower is on fire now.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||Last Monday at 10:58 AM|
Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, R146. Those who have it are a tiresome lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||Last Monday at 10:58 AM|
R139, yesterday there was a thread that M*tt was trolling for hours, and all he got was a redtag saying "stop talking to it." Left all his racists posts up, just grayed out.
I think it's deliberate.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||Last Monday at 10:59 AM|
I am shocked that such an important historical building had no proper fire fighting protocols and tools in place to act quickly to fight a fire in its early stages. I mean, when you know it's a potential fire hazard you make sure that you limit the damage as much as possible. You don't save much when you let it all burn down to save costs or resources.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||Last Monday at 10:59 AM|
Has the Beggar Woman commented yet?
|by Anonymous||reply 152||Last Monday at 10:59 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 153||Last Monday at 10:59 AM|
[quote]CBS just ended their live coverage, but DL Fave David Muir on ABC still has their coverage.
CBS? ABC? OK, Gramps.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||Last Monday at 11:00 AM|
r152, like that bitch has the money to make a trip to France.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||Last Monday at 11:00 AM|
I can't imagine they could have installed much to fight fires, given its age and fragile construction. It was falling apart, which is why there were repairs going on at the time the fire started.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||Last Monday at 11:00 AM|
F&F the Trump shitstain at R149.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||Last Monday at 11:01 AM|
Holy Week and this accident is a pretty big coincidence. French are now saying they are opening up an investigation.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||Last Monday at 11:01 AM|
AGAIN - LIVE LINK >>
|by Anonymous||reply 159||Last Monday at 11:01 AM|
r139 - I agree.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||Last Monday at 11:02 AM|
Where are you getting “racist” from, R43? An iconic structure engulfed in flames and collapsing is reminiscent of the images from 9/11.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||Last Monday at 11:02 AM|
R151 The cathedral is on a small island there was probably inadequate water infrastructure to fight a fire around the cathedral.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||Last Monday at 11:02 AM|
Tragic indeed that this stunning example of gothic architecture is lost. Hopefully no one was hurt or killed inside.
The Catholic Church, however, was devised and is maintained to control people. For this reason, I couldn’t care less.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||Last Monday at 11:02 AM|
[quote[ French are now saying they are opening up an investigation.
At nine o'clock at night, while the fire's still blazing?
|by Anonymous||reply 164||Last Monday at 11:02 AM|
[quote] Hopefully no one was hurt or killed inside.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||Last Monday at 11:03 AM|
YouTube's algorithm apparently briefly captioned links to 9/11 videos underneath live coverage of the Notre Dame fire. People were pretty upset.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||Last Monday at 11:03 AM|
These algorithms are all they're cracked up to be.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||Last Monday at 11:04 AM|
"... there was probably inadequate water infrastructure ..."
... what with it being literally ON the Seine River.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||Last Monday at 11:05 AM|
Trump’s tweet was actually logical, the random catty Twitter responses were not. A few hoses from ground level can’t put out a fire of that magnitude. The building might be fragile, but an overhead water tanker might be the only option at this point.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||Last Monday at 11:06 AM|
Yeah, R164, people are upset and they want reassurance something will be done. They're promising an investigation immediately. That doesn't seem odd to me, I think almost any government would do the same in this situation.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||Last Monday at 11:06 AM|
Apparently the gargoyles are gone
|by Anonymous||reply 171||Last Monday at 11:06 AM|
[quote] Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, [R146]. Those who have it are a tiresome lot.
What tiresome is the guy you voted for (or enabled by throwing away your vote... oh, we know you did) keeping the entire country hostage with his chaos and psychosis.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||Last Monday at 11:07 AM|
Has anyone read The Name of the Rose?
This reminds me of the ending, where the library goes up in flames and everything is lost.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||Last Monday at 11:07 AM|
It wasn't, R169.
Can't you "Trump was right this time" trolls keep to your own thread? It's been non-stop for a week from you guys.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||Last Monday at 11:07 AM|
I'm embarrassed when my friend told me this information I thought the college of Notre Dame was in flames
|by Anonymous||reply 175||Last Monday at 11:07 AM|
It's dark now in Paris - fire still blazing...can see it so much more clearly now.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||Last Monday at 11:08 AM|
He's been right a good deal, lately. R174.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||Last Monday at 11:08 AM|
The fire looks worse - not better.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||Last Monday at 11:09 AM|
Still burning strongly
|by Anonymous||reply 179||Last Monday at 11:09 AM|
I sure hope this isn't some prelude to another 9/11 like the historical Bamiyan Buddhas were.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||Last Monday at 11:09 AM|
[quote] What is believed to be THE ACTUAL crown of thorns that Jesus wore was stored in the Cathedral.
Just a secret between you and me: it isn’t real.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||Last Monday at 11:09 AM|
Any risk of the fire spreading to other town buildings? It does seem to grow bigger.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||Last Monday at 11:10 AM|
This is one of the most famous buildings in one of the most visible locations in the world. They will have the money to restore it in 72 hours.
The rebuilt roof may have an illuminated AMAZON logo on it, but the money will come.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||Last Monday at 11:11 AM|
The front part seems to be OK.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||Last Monday at 11:12 AM|
Yes, one hour of Bezos' salary will pay for it.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||Last Monday at 11:12 AM|
I'm french and broken hearted. This is really a punch in the gut.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||Last Monday at 11:13 AM|
Still no news on how it started?
|by Anonymous||reply 187||Last Monday at 11:13 AM|
[quote]Any risk of the fire spreading to other town buildings? It does seem to grow bigger.
I think it's on its own island.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||Last Monday at 11:13 AM|
[quote] Just a secret between you and me: it isn’t real.
It could'been the work of an artist that the Church declared to be the real deal in order to keep their religious myth scheme going, like the Shroud of Turin.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||Last Monday at 11:14 AM|
Posted this is one of the other threads, but a witness reportedly told the Guardian just a couple minutes ago that the fire seems almost out:
|by Anonymous||reply 190||Last Monday at 11:14 AM|
Eyewitnesses are saying the scope of the fire is now smaller. Unfortunately it's because most of it has collapsed, and they can be more aggressive with the fire. The scaffolding is sure to fall at any minute, so I hope no firefighters or anyone else gets hurt.
The firefighter seem to have drawn the line in front of the towers, so they likely will be saved.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||Last Monday at 11:14 AM|
FFS R187, they’ve reported since th beginning that it was a construction accident.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||Last Monday at 11:14 AM|
I know this makes me sound like a cunt, but is anyone else annoyed when the reporters say “thank goodness there are no deaths or injuries reported.” I’m sorry, but I’d rather a frau tourist from Peoria die than lose this beautiful, old, historic structure.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||Last Monday at 11:15 AM|
Please, gods, spare the beautiful window
|by Anonymous||reply 194||Last Monday at 11:15 AM|
R184 Yes, for now. The fire in starting again in one of the towers. I hope nothing will happen to the rosace.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||Last Monday at 11:15 AM|
R181, it's about peoples beliefs, their culture, their history. It's lost forever, and it doesn't matter whether you believe in its importance or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||Last Monday at 11:16 AM|
I heard the window was gone. Sorry, R195
|by Anonymous||reply 197||Last Monday at 11:16 AM|
Quasimodo is trending on Twitter...
|by Anonymous||reply 198||Last Monday at 11:16 AM|
Were any of Jesus' foreskins lost?
|by Anonymous||reply 199||Last Monday at 11:17 AM|
Fuck you, r52. You made me laugh while I was crying.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||Last Monday at 11:17 AM|
Where did you “hear” that, R197? That hasn’t been reported anywhere
|by Anonymous||reply 201||Last Monday at 11:17 AM|
I'm NOT looking forward to tomorrow morning.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||Last Monday at 11:18 AM|
Anything made of wood in the interior is gone.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||Last Monday at 11:20 AM|
The BBC had within the last couple of weeks had a a program devoted to the bad condition of Notre Dame. I think it was even repeated this weekend.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||Last Monday at 11:21 AM|
Paris 24 just announced that all artwork has been saved.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||Last Monday at 11:21 AM|
Has the Vatican or the Pope commented?
|by Anonymous||reply 206||Last Monday at 11:21 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 207||Last Monday at 11:21 AM|
Make that France 24
|by Anonymous||reply 208||Last Monday at 11:22 AM|
More like dies irae, amiright?
|by Anonymous||reply 209||Last Monday at 11:22 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 210||Last Monday at 11:22 AM|
This is really no big deal at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||Last Monday at 11:23 AM|
Well shit, they claim it's all been saved, even the piece of the crown of thorns:
|by Anonymous||reply 212||Last Monday at 11:24 AM|
Yes, that was what they reported a few minutes ago r210.
It was a quote from a priest who curates the artwork.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||Last Monday at 11:25 AM|
A firefighter's perspective:
|by Anonymous||reply 214||Last Monday at 11:25 AM|
Aurgh. My social media feeds are flooded with nostalgic old photos of friends at Notre Dame. That, or they feel the need to regurgitate hours-old news reports. Going offline. Enjoy your weepfest for a shrine to religious oppression, churchies!
(P.S.: They built Notre Dame over a Druid shrine after burning the pagans at the stake.)
|by Anonymous||reply 215||Last Monday at 11:25 AM|
Only two hoses because firemen are holding out the fire and they are going to send men in. Not possible to send canadairs because the roof and the building can't take it. No victims. Some are talking about two starts of the fire. Cathedrals in France belong to France not to the catholics.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||Last Monday at 11:25 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 217||Last Monday at 11:26 AM|
I feel sick. Thinking of the literally irreplaceable treasures that have been lost to all of humanity with this event, I want to say a fat FUCK YOU AND BURN IN HELL to the asshole trolls making jokes about this.
This is a loss for all of us, even those who are too stupid to recognize it.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||Last Monday at 11:26 AM|
Satan vomits pedo priests:
|by Anonymous||reply 219||Last Monday at 11:27 AM|
[quote]The BBC had within the last couple of weeks had a a program devoted to the bad condition of Notre Dame. I think it was even repeated this weekend.
BBC World News was speaking with a former correspondent who said the wood in the rafters was ancient and extremely dry.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||Last Monday at 11:27 AM|
This is a great relief
TRANSLATED: “Good news: all the artworks have been saved. The treasure of the cathedral is intact, the crown of thorns, the holy sacraments. #NOTRE_DAME”
The rest can be rebuilt.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||Last Monday at 11:28 AM|
Two starts to the fire? Hmm.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||Last Monday at 11:29 AM|
The fire is NOT under control. The north tower is apparently now burning.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||Last Monday at 11:29 AM|
Fucking hell, Chris Cuomo is so damned dramatic
|by Anonymous||reply 224||Last Monday at 11:29 AM|
One of the great Catholic Cathedral's in the history of the world.
The illuminati's obsession with destroying the Catholic church and their attack on christianity (preferring science to God) is the biggest non-secret we have today. This is very symbolic.
Vatican is next. But they will be using Islam as the scapegoat when it strikes.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||Last Monday at 11:30 AM|
How do they claim they have the crown of thorns from the crucifixion? What proof do they have that it’s not just a random thorn bush?
|by Anonymous||reply 226||Last Monday at 11:31 AM|
“the holy sacraments”
As a former Catholic, may I state that I could really give a fuck about communion wafers and wine that are magically body and blood, but I do give a fuck about 800 years of cultural heritage.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||Last Monday at 11:31 AM|
ok I'm crying now R197
|by Anonymous||reply 228||Last Monday at 11:31 AM|
Yes, it was, R174. Stop with your stupid partisan American infighting - this is a thread about a disaster in Europe.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||Last Monday at 11:31 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 230||Last Monday at 11:31 AM|
The fire is still out of control.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||Last Monday at 11:32 AM|
R186 Me too. I've spent some time in this Cathedral. So glad I did. It was a few months after my father died. I lite a candle there for him and it was the first actual comfort I had felt. Cause I knew he would like it. Can't believe all this history is gone. I feel devastated.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||Last Monday at 11:33 AM|
Who unleashed r1225 on this thread?
|by Anonymous||reply 233||Last Monday at 11:33 AM|
Sky News just reported that it's NOT under control. Guardian hasn't had it right since the start.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||Last Monday at 11:34 AM|
R218 mary Nothing lasts forever
|by Anonymous||reply 235||Last Monday at 11:34 AM|
If the stone walls collapse that will be the end of the cathedral.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||Last Monday at 11:36 AM|
Sky News also reported that SOME but not all of the artwork had been removed because of the construction work.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||Last Monday at 11:37 AM|
A frau lit a match after her BM and then threw it on an oily dishrag leftover from a construction worker.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||Last Monday at 11:38 AM|
Multiple Catholic churches in that area (and throughout France in general ) were vandalized just this week. I wonder who that could be? Relics being smashed, excrement being smeared etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||Last Monday at 11:39 AM|
The Gargoyles are saved
|by Anonymous||reply 240||Last Monday at 11:39 AM|
The stone towers are not going to collapse from fire unless there is an explosion.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||Last Monday at 11:40 AM|
I don’t think so, R240.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||Last Monday at 11:40 AM|
💔 My sympathies to you and your fellow countrymen, R186.
As an American watching the devastation on 9/11, it leaves a hole in your heart, and tears in your eyes. It's devastating, and we weep with you, and pray for you.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||Last Monday at 11:42 AM|
My understanding is that there was a crown of thorns relic dating to the 1000s or possibly earlier, and that in the 1200s, the emperor of Constantinople gave some of the thorns to Louis IX in a fancy relic.
No idea if it's from the time of Christ. Wikipedia says the earliest mention of it is from hundreds of years after he died.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||Last Monday at 11:42 AM|
Wrong, r235. Toxic stupidity like yours is apparently indestructible, more's the pity.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||Last Monday at 11:43 AM|
Sky New- french fire department: next hour and a hald crucial to see if fire can be contained.
Some things were removed prior to construction, r244.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||Last Monday at 11:44 AM|
Thanks r244. Thatseems to be the way of the church with all of their supposed “relics.”
|by Anonymous||reply 247||Last Monday at 11:44 AM|
R225 Get a grip. This was a construction accident, not a conspiracy to destroy Notre Dame.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||Last Monday at 11:44 AM|
R235 It lasted for 7 centuries I hope it could last a lot longer
|by Anonymous||reply 249||Last Monday at 11:45 AM|
Have they announced yet that it was a construction accident?
|by Anonymous||reply 250||Last Monday at 11:45 AM|
R241 I agree the towers won't collapse the walls along the nave might.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||Last Monday at 11:46 AM|
Sky News also said stone vault MAY protect artwork.
One ofnthe towers is now on fire. Hopefully the rose Window remains unbroken.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||Last Monday at 11:46 AM|
Rebuild what exactly? It's gone. If a painting is destroyed do you make a copy and say here it is again?
|by Anonymous||reply 253||Last Monday at 11:47 AM|
Trump had it burned to distract from the Mueller Report.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||Last Monday at 11:47 AM|
Live Trump quote, "It's burning like a fire can only burn". So fucking profound....
|by Anonymous||reply 255||Last Monday at 11:47 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 256||Last Monday at 11:48 AM|
Of course this would happen when BLUMP is the president. He just unleashes shitty energy over the whole world.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||Last Monday at 11:48 AM|
Trump on TV just now: “looks like it’s going to burn to the ground.”
No you fucking idiot, it’s built of stone. It’s NOT going to “burn to the ground.”
|by Anonymous||reply 258||Last Monday at 11:48 AM|
Trump as president....Notre Dame burning during Holy Week.....yikes. End times. I thought that stuff was nuts but the last few years everything is flipping to the Devil.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||Last Monday at 11:49 AM|
The wall along the nave are supported from the outside, it was supporting the weight of the roof, they should stay up, but right now I don't know what's left from the inside.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||Last Monday at 11:49 AM|
Omg, r256, my sincere sympathy to all of France.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||Last Monday at 11:49 AM|
R255 He also tweeted that it was probably "the worst museum fire ever" or words to that effect; dope does not know the difference between a Cathedral and a museum.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||Last Monday at 11:49 AM|
R257 So was Obama to blame for all the ISIS attacks around the world when he was president? Quit being so fucking stupid for once in your life.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||Last Monday at 11:50 AM|
Firefighters are up it the front towers now they might save them. The fire is still out of control.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||Last Monday at 11:50 AM|
Sadly, r253, I'm sure that all the priceless and irreplaceable windows were destroyed by the intense heat. That happens in every church fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||Last Monday at 11:50 AM|
This same sort of thing is responsible for the destruction of the Glasgow School of Art last year, one of the world's great pieces of architecture. Construction workers.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||Last Monday at 11:50 AM|
What's the religion of the construction workers? Are we allowed to ask?
|by Anonymous||reply 267||Last Monday at 11:51 AM|
To be fair, whomever is speaking nowmon sky News is talking like walls may collapse. Says it will ntake to to 20 years to rebuild if that happens
|by Anonymous||reply 268||Last Monday at 11:52 AM|
R258, you have to excuse him, he was thinking of one of his own buldings.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||Last Monday at 11:52 AM|
R218 , THANK YOU , MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||Last Monday at 11:52 AM|
[quote]What is believed to be THE ACTUAL crown of thorns that Jesus wore was stored in the Cathedral. Wow art, history, relics all lost.
There are dozens of savior myths recorded throughout history, but modern-day Christians insist "this time it's true!".
|by Anonymous||reply 271||Last Monday at 11:52 AM|
Sky news just said that the cathedral may not be able to be saved.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||Last Monday at 11:53 AM|
You just did, R267.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||Last Monday at 11:53 AM|
I'm sorry, R232, especially since it holds such a special meaning to you.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||Last Monday at 11:54 AM|
Mighty poor form burning up the True Crown of Thorns during Holy Week.
No doubt that Notre Dame priests are in a basement somewhere in Paris refashioning a new Crown of Thorns in time for Sunday. If Jesus can be resurrected, certainly some thorns can be, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||Last Monday at 11:54 AM|
How eerie that this is happening right before Easter.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||Last Monday at 11:54 AM|
if the towers are buring, the bells are attached by a wood structure, we're fucked.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||Last Monday at 11:54 AM|
R236, I take it that no member of your family was ever a returning champion on Jeopardy.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||Last Monday at 11:54 AM|
r268 20 years? To put some brick an wood? We already have the plans and the money will start pouring in based on the videos. I don't understand why it would take 20 years. Parts of Versailles and Buckingham Palace were built in less time. That's a crazy timeline.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||Last Monday at 11:55 AM|
They just put out a statement that they won't be able to save Notre Dame Cathedral.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||Last Monday at 11:55 AM|
really r280? The towers are going? How fucking bad is the paris fire team?
|by Anonymous||reply 281||Last Monday at 11:55 AM|
R275 the museum with the treasures were at the ground level, there were the first to be evacuated, the problem is for the paintings who were inside the nave,
|by Anonymous||reply 282||Last Monday at 11:56 AM|
Did anyone die?
|by Anonymous||reply 283||Last Monday at 11:56 AM|
There are 400 firemen on the site, and one who is injured
|by Anonymous||reply 284||Last Monday at 11:57 AM|
The French Interior ministry just said they may not be able to save the cathedral.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||Last Monday at 11:57 AM|
Why couldn't this have been the college like I origionally thought. mayor Pete could have given a rousing speak, to help his campaign, and we could move on with our day.
Another note. I visisted the catherdral 3 years ago. I am kicking myself for not taking any picutes while inside. Won't make that mistake again.
|by Anonymous||reply 286||Last Monday at 11:58 AM|
R281, there's a lot of wood and apparently lead, which is a problem. And fire damages stone and weakens it.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||Last Monday at 11:58 AM|
Why were they begging for money to restore it in the first place? They rake in close to 100 million a year with tourist fees. Where was all that money going in the fist place?
|by Anonymous||reply 288||Last Monday at 11:59 AM|
Official - Fire Fighter say the church cannot be saved.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||Last Monday at 11:59 AM|
I hope the towers survive. We could tell that nothing was going to be saved since we saw the fucking roof collaps. Shame on Paris and the Catholic Church for allowing this to happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||Last Monday at 11:59 AM|
The north tower might go, message from the head of the firemen, french news TF1
|by Anonymous||reply 291||Last Monday at 12:00 PM|
The firefighters say they don't know if they can stop the fire in the north tower. It might be destroyed
|by Anonymous||reply 292||Last Monday at 12:00 PM|
R288 If you've ever been to the Vatican you would know.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||Last Monday at 12:00 PM|
Why couldn't it have been Trump Tower.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||Last Monday at 12:00 PM|
Sorry, I'm having an issue wrapping my head around such an iconic building being desrtoyed.
r292 that's terrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||Last Monday at 12:01 PM|
Was Tania Head praying in the church when it went up in flames?
|by Anonymous||reply 296||Last Monday at 12:01 PM|
Can't wait to see the new I.M. Pei brass and glass replacement.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||Last Monday at 12:01 PM|
They say the next hour is crucial we will very soon know if the beffroi is going to hold
|by Anonymous||reply 298||Last Monday at 12:01 PM|
R294 is desperate for a visit from the Secret Service. Keep it up, fuckhead.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||Last Monday at 12:02 PM|
It's awful and we keep getting bad news
|by Anonymous||reply 300||Last Monday at 12:03 PM|
Where are the relics kept? I'm assuming in some kind of tight security?
|by Anonymous||reply 301||Last Monday at 12:03 PM|
The fire has been burning for a long time they may have to take down the weakened walls and build a completely new cathedral.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||Last Monday at 12:03 PM|
I just hope the tower will hold
|by Anonymous||reply 303||Last Monday at 12:03 PM|
Oh man, what a horrible thing to witness. Wish the Germans could be there. They seem like boy scouts, always prepared with the right tools...the French, not so much.
|by Anonymous||reply 304||Last Monday at 12:05 PM|
Looks like the right tower is on fire now.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||Last Monday at 12:05 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 306||Last Monday at 12:05 PM|
How was there not a better plan for a potential fire?
|by Anonymous||reply 307||Last Monday at 12:06 PM|
They are evacuating the ile de la cité is, I don't why, the fire is inside the cathedral, I hope they won't have to evacuate the hospital Dieu next to Notre Dame, it's a huge hospital!
|by Anonymous||reply 308||Last Monday at 12:07 PM|
Let it burn. Paris is rampant with racists.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||Last Monday at 12:09 PM|
It's probably about burning debris floating over the island, as well as making way for firefighting equipment
|by Anonymous||reply 310||Last Monday at 12:09 PM|
R308 if you have ever been near a building fire being 75 feet away the heat is very intense.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||Last Monday at 12:09 PM|
r171 I am going to miss my friends.
|by Anonymous||reply 312||Last Monday at 12:10 PM|
ISIS tried to attack Notre Dame back in 2016 but were stopped in time. Repeat performance?
|by Anonymous||reply 313||Last Monday at 12:11 PM|
If it was arson, I doubt they’ll ever release that information to the public.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||Last Monday at 12:11 PM|
It's hopeless. It can't be saved. The walls will collapse eventually. There does not have to be an explosion for this to occur.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||Last Monday at 12:12 PM|
[Quote]The north tower might go, message from the head of the firemen, french news TF1
Oh, no! Not Windows on the World!?!
|by Anonymous||reply 316||Last Monday at 12:13 PM|
I had to switch the channel — MSNBC hasn’t some American frau “eyewitness “ on the phone with the worst vocal fry I’ve ever heard.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||Last Monday at 12:13 PM|
Baltimore news reporting on the Notre Dame Cathedral fire just announced Cher Tweeted her support for the Church, and cut from the fire to show the Tweet.
Is Cher gearing up to announce her candidacy for 2020?
|by Anonymous||reply 318||Last Monday at 12:13 PM|
^hasn’t = has
|by Anonymous||reply 319||Last Monday at 12:14 PM|
This is completely unfair. I am going to Paris this summer. Is there anything else to see other than the Eiffel Tower? I wonder if airlines will offer refunds.
|by Anonymous||reply 320||Last Monday at 12:14 PM|
Inside job. A controlled demolition.
|by Anonymous||reply 321||Last Monday at 12:15 PM|
they said that fire is NOT bigger
|by Anonymous||reply 322||Last Monday at 12:15 PM|
Shut up you philistine r320
|by Anonymous||reply 323||Last Monday at 12:15 PM|
I assume the fire is due to restoration etc but I just heard the Deputy Mayor of Paris say nothing has been ruled out.
|by Anonymous||reply 324||Last Monday at 12:15 PM|
Serves them right for smoking like chimney everywhere!
|by Anonymous||reply 325||Last Monday at 12:15 PM|
Stood for 700 years... and will come down to a roof timer and a unprepared fire company
|by Anonymous||reply 326||Last Monday at 12:16 PM|
I'm getting a 9/11 vibe from this. Definitely an attack by the Muslims.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||Last Monday at 12:16 PM|
R308 the hospital has been or is being evacuated.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||Last Monday at 12:16 PM|
Don't Muslim extremists always like to take credit for these kind of things, R327?
|by Anonymous||reply 329||Last Monday at 12:17 PM|
They will try to save as much as possible but I think all the stone walls have been weakened and will have to come down.
|by Anonymous||reply 330||Last Monday at 12:17 PM|
tiner not timer
|by Anonymous||reply 331||Last Monday at 12:18 PM|
Well if this was caused by the restoration workers this brings incompetency to levels never seen before.
|by Anonymous||reply 332||Last Monday at 12:18 PM|
If it weren't Holy Week, it wouldn't be so suspicious.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||Last Monday at 12:18 PM|
Tldr.... do they know how the fire started?
|by Anonymous||reply 334||Last Monday at 12:18 PM|
no, north part of cathedral is save NOW , they say but they cannot stop thefire . towers are safe at this moment ,but they dont coz fire can blow up. The back of it is gone
|by Anonymous||reply 335||Last Monday at 12:20 PM|
It's being speculated the workers caused the fire, but it's interesting that nothing has reported that the workers notified anybody a fire had started.
|by Anonymous||reply 336||Last Monday at 12:20 PM|
Towers are now affected, very sad
|by Anonymous||reply 337||Last Monday at 12:20 PM|
Not sure if that includes the stained glass windows. Kinda doubt it.
|by Anonymous||reply 338||Last Monday at 12:21 PM|
Im sure tgey have insurance
|by Anonymous||reply 339||Last Monday at 12:22 PM|
The day after Palm Sunday. Just in time to make it a very tragic Easter in Paris. There will be no ressurection of this monument.
|by Anonymous||reply 340||Last Monday at 12:23 PM|
Guys, you can't pour tons of water on SANDSTONE without risking the sandstone to literally explode.
|by Anonymous||reply 341||Last Monday at 12:23 PM|
[quote]If it was arson, I doubt they’ll ever release that information to the public.
exactly. if it's terrorism, the goal will be to NOT allow anyone to claim credit.
|by Anonymous||reply 342||Last Monday at 12:24 PM|
Sorry, I couldn't help but laugh.
|by Anonymous||reply 343||Last Monday at 12:24 PM|
This is sad but it's still nothing compared to the damage Americans caused to the European heritage during WWII. I know the Germans brought it on themselves but it was sad nonetheless.
|by Anonymous||reply 344||Last Monday at 12:24 PM|
Are both front towers now affected or still only the north tower?
|by Anonymous||reply 345||Last Monday at 12:25 PM|
R336 the fire started when the workers were gone. Maybe some electrical appliance left over started it.
|by Anonymous||reply 346||Last Monday at 12:25 PM|
This is so tragic. I’ve been watching different coverages online from US and Europe. I just heard the Paris fire chief now saying they do not think the fire can be put out; all efforts now on trying to rescue what art, and what artifacts can be saved from inside, and hopefully saving the façade.
Some points from previous comments:
• the Cathedral itself is owned by the French State, not the Catholic Church. The revenue from tourists goes to the State for the supposed upkeep of the Cathedral, yet there have been no renovations in nearly 200 years, and of the €100mil raised for this renovation, the French State only committed €30 or €40mil. The rest was raised by the Church and private donations.
• why did it take firefighters almost 2 hours to arrive?
• why did the firefighters not use the water reservoir built into the Cathedral for just this situation?
• two different reporters implied that the French President meeting not with the fire chief, but with the police chief at the site (or wherever they are) may mean this was not an accidental fire. No one is coming out and saying anything definitively, but they're referencing, however vaguely, past failed attacks, as well as the arson of another church in Paris recently. I’m not so sure - but if it is, God help “the you know whos” in Paris and France.
It’s amazing seeing the thousands of Parisians lining the Siene watching. The reporting I’ve seen have most crying, praying aloud, and singing in grief.
Notre Dame is nearly 900 years old - beyond the spiritual significance, the historical significance and its loss is really staggering. I do feel sad for anyone who never was able to visit, experience this iconic cathedral.
Fluctuat nec mergitur!
|by Anonymous||reply 347||Last Monday at 12:26 PM|
What if there was an ISIS "sleeper cel" inside the ND restoration work crew?
|by Anonymous||reply 348||Last Monday at 12:26 PM|
All that scaffolding — was that on the inside of the building and exposed after the roof collapsed?
|by Anonymous||reply 349||Last Monday at 12:27 PM|
These places are always undergoing restoration work of some kind. If you travel enough you know this. It's a convenient excuse.
|by Anonymous||reply 350||Last Monday at 12:27 PM|
R115 Cool it’s like Church in a convertible
|by Anonymous||reply 351||Last Monday at 12:28 PM|
Someone needs to tell Brian Williams that the window he’s focusing on is not one of the famous rose windows. They are not visible in the shot.
|by Anonymous||reply 352||Last Monday at 12:29 PM|
I think the scaffolding was there due to the roof being restaurated, therefore being on the outside.
|by Anonymous||reply 353||Last Monday at 12:29 PM|
r347 is trying desperately to politicize this tragedy to fit his troll narrative.
|by Anonymous||reply 354||Last Monday at 12:29 PM|
Visited Notre Dame 12 years ago and was looking forward to visiting again with my daughter since she loves the Disney Hunchback movie. I hope Versailles and the Eiffel tower are still around for our visit!
And yes, this does feel like a terrorist attack :(...
|by Anonymous||reply 355||Last Monday at 12:29 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 356||Last Monday at 12:30 PM|
R355 Die frau.
|by Anonymous||reply 357||Last Monday at 12:31 PM|
THERE WILL COME A DAY WHEN NOT ONE BUILDING IS LEFT STANDING.
|by Anonymous||reply 358||Last Monday at 12:31 PM|
And I was worried about the Louvre. Have been for a few years now. This has been devastating.
|by Anonymous||reply 359||Last Monday at 12:32 PM|
R357 frau cow
|by Anonymous||reply 360||Last Monday at 12:32 PM|
r320 No, there is nothing else to see in Paris. So, stay home on your farm and keep posting in the DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 361||Last Monday at 12:32 PM|
[quote][bold]'The inferno cannot be stopped':[/bold] Fire chiefs say blaze ravaging Notre Dame cathedral is out of control after spire COLLAPSES and the entire roof of the stunning 850-year-old building burns to ashes
|by Anonymous||reply 362||Last Monday at 12:32 PM|
Even The Angels Are Weeping.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||Last Monday at 12:33 PM|
R317 Oh great , I can just picture her. "It looked.. almost like a fire? Like the cathedral was burning? But it happened so fast, I almost couldn't tell? "
|by Anonymous||reply 364||Last Monday at 12:34 PM|
The stupid "frau" insult's taken over this year.
I hate teenagers.
|by Anonymous||reply 365||Last Monday at 12:34 PM|
Well, fuck, just fuckity fuckity fuck. The world didn't need this.
|by Anonymous||reply 366||Last Monday at 12:35 PM|
is r356 a real photo?
|by Anonymous||reply 367||Last Monday at 12:35 PM|
R356. Wow, truly devastating
|by Anonymous||reply 368||Last Monday at 12:35 PM|
[quote][R294] is desperate for a visit from the Secret Service. Keep it up, fuckhead.
Douche bag, I am American born and raised, last time I checked freedom of speech was the right of every man. But of course Trumptiers dont read or care about laws or facts or the Constitution.
And if you had half a brain, you would know that Trump live in the White House not in Trump Tower.
|by Anonymous||reply 369||Last Monday at 12:36 PM|
It was her, wasn't it?
|by Anonymous||reply 370||Last Monday at 12:36 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 371||Last Monday at 12:37 PM|
Will the French ban cigarettes once they discover a worker doing the restore flicked his cig on the roof?
|by Anonymous||reply 372||Last Monday at 12:37 PM|
R367 yes, of course
|by Anonymous||reply 373||Last Monday at 12:38 PM|
R347 the firefighters were there in 15 min
|by Anonymous||reply 374||Last Monday at 12:38 PM|
Whoever/Whatever is responsible for this tragedy, between the culprits and the unfortunately insufficient response there is going to be HELL to pay. Heads will Roll.
|by Anonymous||reply 375||Last Monday at 12:39 PM|
I hope this is a coincidence but yesterday there was a fire here in NY at St. John The Divine.
|by Anonymous||reply 376||Last Monday at 12:39 PM|
15 min still seems slow, but it's Paris.
|by Anonymous||reply 377||Last Monday at 12:40 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 378||Last Monday at 12:40 PM|
R372 What are you talking about? Smoking has been banned in public places since like 10 years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 379||Last Monday at 12:41 PM|
Let's face it: We're the generation that blew it. Multiple centuries this thing has been around and we couldn't manage to keep it through ours. We're the dud descendants, the clown generation that lost the "family" fortune.
|by Anonymous||reply 380||Last Monday at 12:41 PM|
One of the ignored posters: Trolls typically repeat the same things over and over in short bursts since they aren't very literate.
Talking points: blame the French, ask how this could have happened, start talking about Muslim extremists. Use the word frau to make it seem like you are a real DLer.
OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! How did something like this happen?
OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! A frau lit a match after her BM and then threw it on an oily dishrag leftover from a construction worker.
OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! Of course this would happen when BLUMP is the president. He just unleashes shitty energy over the whole world.
OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! How was there not a better plan for a potential fire?
OMG - Notre Dame is on fire! Don't Muslim extremists always like to take credit for these kind of things, R327?
|by Anonymous||reply 381||Last Monday at 12:41 PM|
It was rush hour in Paris so the firefighters had trouble getting to the cathedral.
|by Anonymous||reply 382||Last Monday at 12:41 PM|
It took them 6 minutes not 15
|by Anonymous||reply 383||Last Monday at 12:43 PM|
R376 How can you even compare that ugly monstrosity with zero historical value to perhaps the most famous church in the world that's almost 900 years old?!
|by Anonymous||reply 384||Last Monday at 12:43 PM|
R354 - how on earth is anything I posted part of some “troll narrative” or “politicized” ?
As much as I have enjoyed DL thru the years for the bitchery, snark, gossip - I have to remember there’s always some sad sacks who would make Joan d’Arc leap into the flames rather than deal with their idiocy.
|by Anonymous||reply 385||Last Monday at 12:44 PM|
Attacking places of worship is today's trend. Let's hope this wasn't the case. The loss of this incredible structure is devastating enough, but to think that it could have deliberate is unfathomable.
|by Anonymous||reply 386||Last Monday at 12:44 PM|
[quote]Rebuild what exactly? It's gone. If a painting is destroyed do you make a copy and say here it is again?
Actually much of Notre Dame, including the spire that fell over just a little while ago, is a replica made in the mid 19th century. Time and various misadventures, such as vandalism in the French revolution, destroyed the original spire and other parts of the cathedral. So if they rebuilt it before, they can do it again.
|by Anonymous||reply 387||Last Monday at 12:46 PM|
[quote]What are you talking about? Smoking has been banned in public places since like 10 years ago.
Yet when I was there, people ignoring that ban, smoking everywhere! Cigarette buts all over the streets.
|by Anonymous||reply 388||Last Monday at 12:46 PM|
Looks like the famous windows are gone now
|by Anonymous||reply 389||Last Monday at 12:46 PM|
R384 and it is culturally insignificant to New Yorkers. Even St Pat's has more cultural relevance here. No one gives a flying fuck about they dying Episcopal Church anymore except its few remaining members.
|by Anonymous||reply 390||Last Monday at 12:46 PM|
You could visit the insid of Notre Dame for free, you would only pay if you wanted to climb the towers of visit the treasure, most of the tourist would visit the nave for free, get a couple of postcard for a couple of euros and that's it. Les monuments nationaux who run the visit of the tower also run hundreds of monuments in France, the big monuments in Paris collect money to maintain and restore many monuments al over France and not just the parisians ones.
|by Anonymous||reply 391||Last Monday at 12:47 PM|
Sky News just showed another burst of flames.
|by Anonymous||reply 392||Last Monday at 12:48 PM|
R356 there seems to be a hole on the left of the roof on this picture, so there at least a fire on the inside of the Cathedrale.
French news on France 2 tv channel, the north tower is "saved" for the moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 393||Last Monday at 12:50 PM|
R387 is right. The iconic gargoyles were also a rather recent addition. In a couple of years the cathedral will be renovated and no one will even remember this fire anymore.
This reminds me of the fire at the Vienna cathedral in 1945 - the ceiling there also collapsed, leaving only the outer walls standing.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||Last Monday at 12:51 PM|
Some idiot's W&W-ing ALL the posts
|by Anonymous||reply 395||Last Monday at 12:51 PM|
[quote]This reminds me of the fire at the Vienna cathedral in 1945 - the ceiling there also collapsed, leaving only the outer walls standing.
You remember that?
|by Anonymous||reply 396||Last Monday at 12:52 PM|
The 2 towers are saved
|by Anonymous||reply 397||Last Monday at 12:52 PM|
comment from the journalist about the towers being saved : "good news for the tourists, they will be able to come and climb them for the view, tourism is save!"
|by Anonymous||reply 398||Last Monday at 12:53 PM|
Stunned crowd singing in Paris.
|by Anonymous||reply 399||Last Monday at 12:55 PM|
Sky news: saved from total destruction!!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 400||Last Monday at 12:56 PM|
That’s not the Rose window, Brian.
|by Anonymous||reply 401||Last Monday at 12:57 PM|
Another tragedy, another trip to the store to stock up on candles. Just be careful where you put them...
|by Anonymous||reply 402||Last Monday at 12:57 PM|
R399 they are singing the Ave Marie. Perhaps things like this will return us to the Faith. (Yeah, I'm a gay Catholic.)
|by Anonymous||reply 403||Last Monday at 12:58 PM|
They say the vault has not entirely collapsed.
|by Anonymous||reply 404||Last Monday at 12:58 PM|
Me too, 399.
|by Anonymous||reply 405||Last Monday at 12:58 PM|
R357: No, you die idiot!
BTW, I was a gay man the last time I checked, but I guess only 'fraus' can be parents in your world.
|by Anonymous||reply 406||Last Monday at 12:58 PM|
I guess God was taking a nap or helping a rapper win a grammy
|by Anonymous||reply 407||Last Monday at 12:58 PM|
Yes structure and towers will be saved apparently
|by Anonymous||reply 408||Last Monday at 12:59 PM|
It's the Brian Window, Rose.
|by Anonymous||reply 409||Last Monday at 12:59 PM|
Fire still not under control, France 2 news
|by Anonymous||reply 410||Last Monday at 12:59 PM|
Brian can see the top window.
|by Anonymous||reply 411||Last Monday at 12:59 PM|
Sky News: one firefighter seriously hurt. Will take 4-5 hours to extinguish completely. Not a total loss.
|by Anonymous||reply 412||Last Monday at 1:00 PM|
[quote]Stunned crowd singing in Paris.
Notice the absence of mobile phones.
If this was in the US, most of the people present would be making videos.
|by Anonymous||reply 413||Last Monday at 1:00 PM|
In the event it’s not completely destroyed, Catholics will no doubt deem it a “miracle.”
|by Anonymous||reply 414||Last Monday at 1:00 PM|
And well it may be, R414.
|by Anonymous||reply 415||Last Monday at 1:01 PM|
I'll wait to see the condition inside the Cathedrale to call it a miracle.
|by Anonymous||reply 416||Last Monday at 1:01 PM|
A terrible day for France. Apparently, 10 churches have burnt down in the last year. Does anyone know who might be behind this?
|by Anonymous||reply 417||Last Monday at 1:02 PM|
BBC News: Official stated that the "structure" of the cathedral has been saved.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||Last Monday at 1:02 PM|
r169 is as big a moron as his Orange Clown leader. No, dumping water on the building is not "logical." In fact, it would only make things worse.
|by Anonymous||reply 419||Last Monday at 1:02 PM|
Yes. R417. We know it's YOU!
|by Anonymous||reply 420||Last Monday at 1:02 PM|
Many of the cathedrals in Europe have had their facades replaced. The porous stone used for the facades are mediums for growing lichen and algae which weaken the stone. It is expensive and time consuming to recreate the facades but can be done.
|by Anonymous||reply 421||Last Monday at 1:03 PM|
[quote]Does anyone know who might be behind this?
International Conspiracy of Stupid, Careless Idiots.
|by Anonymous||reply 422||Last Monday at 1:03 PM|
Hundreds of lit candles in an old wood structure not a good idea. Just saying.
|by Anonymous||reply 423||Last Monday at 1:03 PM|
[quote]Some idiot's W&W-ing ALL the posts
How would you know that?
|by Anonymous||reply 424||Last Monday at 1:05 PM|
Maybe he's the idiot, R 424.
|by Anonymous||reply 425||Last Monday at 1:06 PM|
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker BURN!!! A symbol of imperialism and fundamentalist Catholic bullshit. Let it BURN the FUCK DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 426||Last Monday at 1:06 PM|
R419, well, if this were fucking Trump Tower, pouring tons of water into the burning building would help.
Being an illiterate and ignorant moron though, President Plump, however, has got no idea that pouring tons of water onto heated SANDSTONE will eventually make the sandstone virtually explode.
|by Anonymous||reply 427||Last Monday at 1:06 PM|
What does W&Wing mean?
|by Anonymous||reply 428||Last Monday at 1:06 PM|
Not to make this All About Me, but I feel a tinge of pain that I never got to see this beautiful work of art in person. I envy everyone here who did. This is incredibly difficult to watch.
|by Anonymous||reply 429||Last Monday at 1:07 PM|
[quote]This is the only update the French civil defense agency has provided in English. It notes that water-bombing aircrafts, or “flying water tanks” as suggested by US president Donald Trump, could lead to the “collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.”
[quote]Sécurité Civile Fr (@SecCivileFrance)
[quote]Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible #NotreDame fire under control. [bold]All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.[/bold]
|by Anonymous||reply 430||Last Monday at 1:07 PM|
A miracle would be if a cloud formed over the cathedral and dumped enough rain on the fire to put it out after it started. Anything else afterwards is just lucky.
|by Anonymous||reply 431||Last Monday at 1:08 PM|
One firefighter was badly injured
|by Anonymous||reply 432||Last Monday at 1:08 PM|
R431 please read R430
|by Anonymous||reply 433||Last Monday at 1:09 PM|
[quote] Some idiot's W&W-ing ALL the posts
Even if true, what's the harm ?
Awful shame about the cathedral. It took a century to build and five hours to build. When the allies were about to take Paris in 1944 he gave the military governor orders to demolish the structure. What Hitler couldn't destroy this did.
|by Anonymous||reply 434||Last Monday at 1:09 PM|
R417 I'm hearing reports of a construction accident being the cause. And of course all the wood in the cathedral hastened this awful event. But nothing is 100 percent clear right now.
|by Anonymous||reply 435||Last Monday at 1:09 PM|
I was there on Easter Sunday last year. So tragic to see this happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 436||Last Monday at 1:10 PM|
Whenever a momentous event like this occurs, I always fantasize about being part of the drama somehow. Right now, I'm imagining being that person whose apartment is in the foreground of CNN footage. I'm oblivious to the fact that the whole world is watching me as I walk around in the warm glow of its interior.
|by Anonymous||reply 437||Last Monday at 1:11 PM|
Sky News saying they've managed to save the stone structures - walls and towers. Will still need a few hours to bring fire fully under control.
|by Anonymous||reply 438||Last Monday at 1:11 PM|
Sky News: rose Window between the towers may still be intact other two rose windows dating back to 13th century have been destroyed.
|by Anonymous||reply 439||Last Monday at 1:12 PM|
All the wood panels from the abside, and it's impossible to move it, I wonder what's left? from the 14th century
|by Anonymous||reply 440||Last Monday at 1:12 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 441||Last Monday at 1:12 PM|
Time for cheesy celebrity tweets!
|by Anonymous||reply 442||Last Monday at 1:12 PM|
The idea that Trump has anything to sat about firefighting is a joke. He thinks he’s the universal expert.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||Last Monday at 1:13 PM|
Even money she is picturing the football team
|by Anonymous||reply 444||Last Monday at 1:14 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 445||Last Monday at 1:14 PM|
Reporters keep saying firefighters trying to save the artwork — what could possibly be left ?
|by Anonymous||reply 446||Last Monday at 1:14 PM|
Went there as a teenager and was in awe. Sad to see it burn. Odd timing too, which I'm sure has been said already.
|by Anonymous||reply 447||Last Monday at 1:15 PM|
It a shame that all the wood panels have probably burned.
|by Anonymous||reply 448||Last Monday at 1:15 PM|
It's not the first cathedral to ever burn, or to be rebuilt. But it is a tragedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 449||Last Monday at 1:15 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 450||Last Monday at 1:16 PM|
Remember the Disney version of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, where one of the gargoyles had a homosexual attraction to Esmeralda's goat? What the fuck were they on when they came up with that?
|by Anonymous||reply 451||Last Monday at 1:16 PM|
France 2 stopped their live coverage, TF1 continue for the moment, with some footage from the firemen.
|by Anonymous||reply 452||Last Monday at 1:18 PM|
[quote]They rake in close to 100 million a year with tourist fees. Where was all that money going in the fist place?
I don't know whether to laugh or to cry at your naiveté.
|by Anonymous||reply 453||Last Monday at 1:18 PM|
Officials say the main structure will be saved.
|by Anonymous||reply 454||Last Monday at 1:20 PM|
Fuck off, Trump-fellating R169.
Water dropped that way would collapse the structure, which is what the Paris fire department just confirmed.
|by Anonymous||reply 455||Last Monday at 1:20 PM|
THAT BATON WAS ON FIRE!
|by Anonymous||reply 456||Last Monday at 1:21 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 457||Last Monday at 1:21 PM|
I hope the Crown of Thorns was unscathed.
|by Anonymous||reply 458||Last Monday at 1:21 PM|
This thread needs a soundtrack:
|by Anonymous||reply 459||Last Monday at 1:22 PM|
[quote]Fuck off, Trump-fellating [R169].
People are clearly very upset by this.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||Last Monday at 1:22 PM|
R457 At 3:28 Was Venezuela being consumed...
|by Anonymous||reply 461||Last Monday at 1:23 PM|
[quote]Baltimore news reporting on the Notre Dame Cathedral fire just announced Cher Tweeted her support for the Church, and cut from the fire to show the Tweet.
During the 9/11 news coverage, one of the networks was airing live calls from various celebrities and authorities. The person's name was on screen, alongside their photo. Everyone had just one photo, except Cher, who had a carousel of at least six different rotating images while she spoke.
|by Anonymous||reply 462||Last Monday at 1:24 PM|
I've had to turn off my WW - that freak is still at it.
This event has brought out the weirdos.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||Last Monday at 1:25 PM|
Am praying for Notre Dame🙏🏻
Devastation &💔…French are strong,& 🇺🇸 & The 🌎Will Never Forget Those with The Spirit Of La Marseillaise
|by Anonymous||reply 464||Last Monday at 1:27 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 465||Last Monday at 1:28 PM|
Fire and water damage. Structural integrity. Of course it can be re-built but will never be the same. Twin towers. If it doesn't completely burn down then the remains would suffice instead of an artifice recreation.
|by Anonymous||reply 466||Last Monday at 1:28 PM|
They should rebuild with Legos
|by Anonymous||reply 467||Last Monday at 1:28 PM|
Pics of the hottest Pompiers soon, please!
|by Anonymous||reply 468||Last Monday at 1:29 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 469||Last Monday at 1:29 PM|
This is very upsetting. I plan to take my mother to Paris for the first time next year. She had wanted to go since she was a child and is literaly crying at the lost opportunity to see this church. It's Paris so there are a million other things to see, but this was a big one for our Catholic family.
I know this is jsut my insignifigant story, but I understand how these moumnets can mean so much to people. My mother will get over the shock, and they will rebuild, but it will never be the same.
It's also my favourite church, I am thankful that I had a chance to visit. Moved me more than the (hideous) Gaudi church in Barcelona.
|by Anonymous||reply 470||Last Monday at 1:30 PM|
The organ had been restaured in 2014. Made of wood, of course, and pewter, higly sensitive to termic choc, if it didn't go dow in flame.
|by Anonymous||reply 471||Last Monday at 1:30 PM|
R458, according to France24, it was saved.
Guys, haven't you seen the drone pics? No way there's anything left of the interior decoration stuff.
|by Anonymous||reply 472||Last Monday at 1:30 PM|
I've never been a religious man, but as an architectural and historical wonder, this is devastating.
|by Anonymous||reply 473||Last Monday at 1:31 PM|
R470, take her to Chartres. As a lovely consolation.
|by Anonymous||reply 474||Last Monday at 1:31 PM|
No one can speak to the structural soundness of the Cathedral until the fire is out and inspectors can survey the damage.
|by Anonymous||reply 475||Last Monday at 1:32 PM|
Giant insurance fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 476||Last Monday at 1:32 PM|
R470 Saint Chapelle. Stunning.
|by Anonymous||reply 477||Last Monday at 1:33 PM|
Nice note, on it's last full day the Catherdral was filled to the rafters for Palm Sunday, not a bad way to go. Would have been better if it made it to Easter but it's seen like 800 so no great loss. It crazy to think that may favs Louis XIV, Louis XVI, and Maria Anttionette had mass in that place (seperate times). What history.
|by Anonymous||reply 478||Last Monday at 1:33 PM|
Macron is back. The Archevêque is speaking, Macron in the background.
|by Anonymous||reply 479||Last Monday at 1:33 PM|
It’s religion, art, history, money, and family, at least, all in one edifice. And all destroyed!
|by Anonymous||reply 480||Last Monday at 1:35 PM|
r477 thank you so much. I am a bit emberassed to say, but I forgot this Catherdral existed. I've never been but will add this to out itenerary!
You are a gem.
|by Anonymous||reply 481||Last Monday at 1:35 PM|
The basilique of Saint Denis where kings and queens of France are buried has been trashed lately by a Pakistani man (illegal migrant) who was caught because of the DNA he left in the church. Don't know about others churches but yes, numerous churches have been vandalized for one year.
|by Anonymous||reply 482||Last Monday at 1:35 PM|
JUST IN: French official says the stone structure of Notre-Dame has been saved from "total destruction"
|by Anonymous||reply 483||Last Monday at 1:36 PM|
Macron : thanking the firemen, next hours will be difficult, prayer for the catholics during this holy week, parisian, etc about History,etc...
|by Anonymous||reply 484||Last Monday at 1:36 PM|
#BREAKING Notre-Dame's main structure is "saved and preserved" after fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 485||Last Monday at 1:38 PM|
Can’t stop crying.
|by Anonymous||reply 486||Last Monday at 1:38 PM|
in short Macron : "we will rebuilt ND".
|by Anonymous||reply 487||Last Monday at 1:38 PM|
I guess there were lots of decisions to be taken when it comes to saving vs giving up on particular parts of the cathedral. There sure was some priotizing as to what could be saved in order to focus on these things.
|by Anonymous||reply 488||Last Monday at 1:38 PM|
If they could re-build Vienna, Dresden, Leipzig, and Florence after WW2 bombardment, I suppose a convincing reconstruction of the basics of ND could happen, but there's just so little craftsman and artisanal talent around now.
|by Anonymous||reply 489||Last Monday at 1:39 PM|
Not in anyway to compare the historical and architectural significance of the two, but at Christmas 2009, St Mel’s Cathedral in Longford, Ireland was destroyed by fire (I have family in the locality and they were devastated). Only a shell remained. They were able to shore up what remained, and restore/rebuild the Cathedral - keeping true to its original design and aesthetic. Again not the same, but offered as a bit of hope to demonstrate Notre Dame may rise from the ashes.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||Last Monday at 1:40 PM|
End of coverage for TF1. Bonne nuit tout le monde, will see tomorrow morning what's left.
|by Anonymous||reply 491||Last Monday at 1:40 PM|
To be honest, Notre Dame isn't even among top 5 most beautiful gothic cathedrals in France. Cathedrals in Amiens, Reims, Bourges, Chartres etc. are all greater architectural wonders but they weren't as exposed in pop culture as Notre Dame was so if those burned down no one but the French people and art historians would care.
Notre Dame wasn't even the place where the French kings were being coronated - that was in Reims. That cathedral also suffered terribly during WWI but has later been beautifully restored.
|by Anonymous||reply 492||Last Monday at 1:41 PM|
In 15 years on the DL , have never heard so many evil , moronic and vile comments. It was NOT CAUSED by Pedos in the Catholic Church , will not be Resurrected by Sunday . I an not Religious , but this is 900 YEARS OF BEAUTY UP IN FLAMES.
I know someone who died in Windows , your comment is not funny in the least.
NOT a snowflake here , but there is always talk about how deplorables treat Gays , but the hostility on this thread is equal to anything out of their mouths.
|by Anonymous||reply 493||Last Monday at 1:41 PM|
Bon dodo R491
|by Anonymous||reply 494||Last Monday at 1:42 PM|
[quote]there's just so little craftsman and artisanal talent around now.
Someone's getting bitchy!
|by Anonymous||reply 495||Last Monday at 1:43 PM|
True r493. Sometimes the ugliness on this site is too much.
|by Anonymous||reply 496||Last Monday at 1:43 PM|
R489, let's not forget though that it took more than 50 years before the reconstruction of Dresden's Frauenkirche started.
Fifty years of the remaining ruins being left over.
I guess it won't take Paris THAT long.
|by Anonymous||reply 497||Last Monday at 1:43 PM|
Former US President Barack Obama tweets about the Notre Dame fire: "Notre Dame is one of the world’s great treasures ... It’s in our nature to mourn when we see history lost — but it’s also in our nature to rebuild for tomorrow, as strong as we can"
|by Anonymous||reply 498||Last Monday at 1:45 PM|
The face of DataLounge has drastically changed over the course of the last five years. And it's not a good change.
|by Anonymous||reply 499||Last Monday at 1:45 PM|
R499, I've been here for a while, too.
What changes have you noticed the most?
|by Anonymous||reply 500||Last Monday at 1:48 PM|
Officials at #NotreDame scene reporting the fire has dropped in intensity and cathedral structure "saved", particularly the north belfry. Building being "cooled". Fire officer confirms this but says 2/3 of roof destroyed. Firefighters now trying to save works of art inside.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||Last Monday at 1:48 PM|
Whose the big busted blond on SkyNews whose sagging East and West titties are threating to collapse?
|by Anonymous||reply 502||Last Monday at 1:49 PM|
Most old European buildings have been restored so many times that very little of the original structure and internal decoration (literally fragments) remains from when they were built. They would have fallen down and been eaten by woodworm otherwise.
We just don't tell US tourists that.
|by Anonymous||reply 503||Last Monday at 1:49 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 504||Last Monday at 1:50 PM|
R500 As r496 simply stated "The ugliness on this thread."
|by Anonymous||reply 505||Last Monday at 1:52 PM|
Paris is Burning!
|by Anonymous||reply 506||Last Monday at 1:52 PM|
R498: Now, THAT sounds Presidential.
|by Anonymous||reply 507||Last Monday at 1:53 PM|
There has been a spate of arson attacks on churches throughout France in the last few months. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a deliberate act.
|by Anonymous||reply 508||Last Monday at 1:55 PM|
[Quote]15 min still seems slow, but it's Paris.
Tell me about it!
|by Anonymous||reply 509||Last Monday at 1:56 PM|
All is impermanent
|by Anonymous||reply 510||Last Monday at 1:57 PM|
Early plans for renovation have already been revealed:
|by Anonymous||reply 511||Last Monday at 1:58 PM|
Can we reelect him if we tweak his name?
🍀 Barack O'Bama
|by Anonymous||reply 512||Last Monday at 1:58 PM|
The spittle is flying, as are the typos and conspiracy theories.
And still, 1000s worldwide all are failing to realize the sad irony of tossing 'thoughts and prayers" out on the internet after a building made precisely for that activity could not be saved by such useless gestures.
|by Anonymous||reply 513||Last Monday at 1:59 PM|
Here's a glimpse inside the building. Quite a surreal sight
|by Anonymous||reply 514||Last Monday at 1:59 PM|
R508- A voice of reason
|by Anonymous||reply 515||Last Monday at 1:59 PM|
I got home about an hour ago and turned the TV on to see this. When it finally registered what was going on, I burst into tears and I'm an atheist. It's so surreal and on Holy Week, no less. There goes history, up in flames.
|by Anonymous||reply 516||Last Monday at 1:59 PM|
[quote]I burst into tears
|by Anonymous||reply 517||Last Monday at 2:01 PM|
There's also Sacre Coeur in Paris, r492. Beautiful cathedral with a stunning view.
|by Anonymous||reply 518||Last Monday at 2:02 PM|
r517 this is worth bursting into tears. It's like the White House going up in flames, just something that shouldn't happen to a monumnet. I'd say that the WH is less signifigant than this church given the history, but it would still be a blow to a nation.
|by Anonymous||reply 519||Last Monday at 2:03 PM|
I feel fortunate to have visited it in my lifetime. So much history and art destroyed. It’s heartbreaking. We don’t even have the quality of artisans we had in the past. It will take decades to rebuild and will have a modern influence. With many hundreds of years, it will have an aura of age again. But no one now in this lifetime will experience it.
|by Anonymous||reply 520||Last Monday at 2:05 PM|
Did you know...
The spires were supposed to be like typical churches, rising much higher than these flat top columns and to a point, but:
It took centuries to build and the world was more secular when it was time for the spires, and therefore there wasn’t the money and interest for it, (to simplify).
They were afraid the spires would be too heavy with all that additional stonework.
There is a design drawing of what it would look like somewhere online, but I cannot find it now.
(This is also the reason Boston’s Cathedral, built on piling in mud, also lacks proper spires.)
|by Anonymous||reply 521||Last Monday at 2:05 PM|
As an American, it's interesting to compare our history. Notre Dame is twice as old as the first settlements here. And personally R519 I'd be ok with the WH burning as long as our entire First Family was inside
|by Anonymous||reply 522||Last Monday at 2:06 PM|
No building is worth crying over. All buildings fail over time, fire, flood, earthquake, termites, rot, erosion. Its sad that all the artwork put into it for 800 years is lost but not going to burst into tears over it. All buildings even the pyramids will fail over time. Sometimes suddenly.
|by Anonymous||reply 523||Last Monday at 2:08 PM|
Isn't the Notre Dame built on a site where pagans used to go?
|by Anonymous||reply 524||Last Monday at 2:09 PM|
Yes, r524, It's built over a Gallo Roman city. I wonder if the museum beneath the church that preserved the ruins was damaged.
|by Anonymous||reply 525||Last Monday at 2:11 PM|
Didn't the Queen rebuild after one of her palaces got torched? I'm sure this will create tons of jobs for historians.
|by Anonymous||reply 526||Last Monday at 2:11 PM|
La cathedrale engloutie.
|by Anonymous||reply 527||Last Monday at 2:12 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 528||Last Monday at 2:13 PM|
They will never admit terrorism.
|by Anonymous||reply 529||Last Monday at 2:15 PM|
The spire at the accident prone Lincoln Cathedral in the UK fell down for the 2nd time in 1549 (the first time in 1237 it collapsed and killed the congregation) and was never rebuilt.
There are loads of Artisan stone masons in Europe, restoring fucked buildings is an industry on its own.
|by Anonymous||reply 530||Last Monday at 2:17 PM|
Then why do they "admit" it every other time it's terrorism?
|by Anonymous||reply 531||Last Monday at 2:19 PM|
Terrorist love credit for what they do R529, unless they come forward to dispute what the Firemen on site say, your conspiracy theory shit is out of control. I bet I am not the first person to say that to you.
|by Anonymous||reply 532||Last Monday at 2:20 PM|
R529 Dumbass if this was ISIS they'd be livestreaming already talking about how they did it
|by Anonymous||reply 533||Last Monday at 2:21 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 534||Last Monday at 2:22 PM|
My heart goes out to Paris. Notre Dame is a symbol of our ability as human beings to unite for a higher purpose—to build breathtaking spaces for worship that no one person could have built on their own. I wish France strength and shared purpose as they grieve and rebuild.
|by Anonymous||reply 535||Last Monday at 2:23 PM|
This never would have happened if the cathedral had been taking its PrEP as prescribed.
|by Anonymous||reply 536||Last Monday at 2:24 PM|
R519 the White House was ENTIRELY rebuilt in steel, but saving a fair amount of original surface materials.
|by Anonymous||reply 537||Last Monday at 2:26 PM|
[quote]And still, 1000s worldwide all are failing to realize the sad irony of tossing 'thoughts and prayers" out on the internet after a building made precisely for that activity could not be saved by such useless gestures.
No, it's just that you're a cynical bitch who thinks he is clever and the rest of humanity hates people like you.
|by Anonymous||reply 538||Last Monday at 2:27 PM|
Sagrada Familia's projected completion date is 2026. Lot's of stone masons will be available then, if not now. I visited in 2000 and by the looks of crumbling masonry, there was much work to be done then. Maybe they're just doing finishing touches now.
|by Anonymous||reply 539||Last Monday at 2:27 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 540||Last Monday at 2:29 PM|
[quote]The illuminati's obsession with destroying the Catholic church and their attack on christianity (preferring science to God) is the biggest non-secret we have today. This is very symbolic.
Are you retarded or just stupid and paranoid? I sincerely hope you’re joking.
|by Anonymous||reply 541||Last Monday at 2:30 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 542||Last Monday at 2:31 PM|
[quote]Are you retarded or just stupid and paranoid?
This thread has been exhausting.
|by Anonymous||reply 543||Last Monday at 2:32 PM|
Where are the cellphone clips/pics from the people in it or just around it when it started? Or was it already closed for the day? Regardless, I remember the park around the back where it supposedly started which has loads of people.
|by Anonymous||reply 544||Last Monday at 2:33 PM|
Ooh la la la la la la la la!
|by Anonymous||reply 545||Last Monday at 2:34 PM|
Photo of interior:
|by Anonymous||reply 546||Last Monday at 2:36 PM|
Insurance fire set by the Vatican Bank to generate cash for child sex abuse settlements. Obviously.
|by Anonymous||reply 547||Last Monday at 2:37 PM|
Remember when Inspector Clouseau was blown into Notre Dame Cathedral in one of The Pink Panther films?
|by Anonymous||reply 548||Last Monday at 2:37 PM|
R546 that's not nearly as terrible as I feared
|by Anonymous||reply 549||Last Monday at 2:38 PM|
crown of thorns is saved. saw on the news tonight.
|by Anonymous||reply 550||Last Monday at 2:38 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 551||Last Monday at 2:38 PM|
I forgot it was holy week! In that case, terrorism is a possibility. But let's see what the investigation says.
|by Anonymous||reply 552||Last Monday at 2:39 PM|
R549 that must have been very early in the fire. It’s pretty extensively damaged.
|by Anonymous||reply 553||Last Monday at 2:39 PM|
Une bonne nouvelle : toutes les œuvres d’art ont été sauvées. Le trésor de la cathédrale est intact, la couronne d’épines, les saints sacrements.
|by Anonymous||reply 554||Last Monday at 2:40 PM|
R549, dream on. Look at the drone pics and you'll know the interior is GONE.
|by Anonymous||reply 555||Last Monday at 2:42 PM|
This is a terrible tragedy, but to future generations, this will just be one episode in the story of Notre Dame. The loss of the spire is sad, but it was itself a reconstruction built in the 1850s. The stonework may be saved. I remember the disastrous fire at Windsor castle in the 1990s. At the time the destruction looked like this, but much was ableto be rescued or restored.
A new generation will now take up the task of rescuing the remnants and recreating what has been lost, and people will still be marvelling over their work in hundreds of years.
|by Anonymous||reply 556||Last Monday at 2:43 PM|
it is not gone
|by Anonymous||reply 557||Last Monday at 2:43 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 558||Last Monday at 2:45 PM|
I can't imagine being one of the original builders and knowing that even your grandchildren might not live to see it.
|by Anonymous||reply 559||Last Monday at 2:46 PM|
It's like something from 'Pillars of the Earth".
|by Anonymous||reply 560||Last Monday at 2:47 PM|
It's obvious now that it was mostly the wooden roof structure that was on fire, which is also why there was so much smoke. It looks like most of the vaults are still intact (for now). The main stone stucture seems to be pretty much uharmed. You can't take down those ancient stones just like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 561||Last Monday at 2:47 PM|
R557 that looks like a gateway to Hell!
|by Anonymous||reply 562||Last Monday at 2:48 PM|
Guadalupe Paris website
|by Anonymous||reply 563||Last Monday at 2:49 PM|
OMG, R541, you’re fucking NUTS!!!
I cannot believe people actually think this stuff and share it with rational people.
Any leads regarding the REAL cause of this fire?
|by Anonymous||reply 564||Last Monday at 2:49 PM|
Face it, the interior wooden decoration stuff is GONE. So are very likely the rose windows.
|by Anonymous||reply 565||Last Monday at 2:50 PM|
This building has been under attack and under restoration for centuries. Ransacked during the revolution, and stripped of all monarchical symbols, the statues of biblical kings decapitated. And the tower replaced when it was in danger of falling down.
The pictures of the flames are dramatic, but like the Windsor Castle fire, it is very possible that the damage below roof level is less than it appears. Let’s hope so.
|by Anonymous||reply 566||Last Monday at 2:50 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 567||Last Monday at 2:50 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 568||Last Monday at 2:51 PM|
Madame Hidalgo, mayor of Paris, coming out from the church half an hour ago: "it is less terrible than what I feared"
« il y a un grand trou, au niveau du toit, à l’endroit où était la flèche, désormais en miette dans la nef. L’autel et sa croix sont préservés. C’est moins terrible que je le craignais »
|by Anonymous||reply 569||Last Monday at 2:51 PM|
Oops! Sorry, R541, I meant that comment for the person to whom you quoted, not you.
|by Anonymous||reply 570||Last Monday at 2:51 PM|
Losing the roof means that though the stone structure may still be intact, it is still in danger. The stone walls are currently unsupported without the counterweight of the roof against the buttresses. Hopefully structural engineers will be able to get in there immediately to shore up the walls to save what is left.
|by Anonymous||reply 571||Last Monday at 2:52 PM|
rose windows are not 850 years old, anyway
|by Anonymous||reply 572||Last Monday at 2:52 PM|
If those pics are within the last hour then it doesn’t look as bad as feared
|by Anonymous||reply 573||Last Monday at 2:52 PM|
Is the Vatican paying for the damage ?
|by Anonymous||reply 574||Last Monday at 2:54 PM|
The media and people are going to feel stupid tomorrow - all this coverage and panicking and all that was really lost was the tacky 19th century spire and there's a small hole in the ceiling. But I admit that the footage of the smoke rising from the church did look very dramatic.
|by Anonymous||reply 575||Last Monday at 2:55 PM|
The crown of thorns is fake, right ?
|by Anonymous||reply 576||Last Monday at 2:55 PM|
THey said they are gonna rebuild. the bell towers are saved. you know shit was stolen.
|by Anonymous||reply 577||Last Monday at 2:56 PM|
See it wasn't THAT bad. The prayers from Parisians worked!!
|by Anonymous||reply 578||Last Monday at 2:56 PM|
R575 don’t forget the tears from All the marys here!
|by Anonymous||reply 579||Last Monday at 2:56 PM|
French billionaire businessman Francois-Henri Pinault is pledging €100 million towards rebuilding Notre Dame, he has said in a statement.
|by Anonymous||reply 580||Last Monday at 2:57 PM|
3 minutes of Mass a few years ago. I missed taping the best part, the horns, but this is beautiful, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 581||Last Monday at 2:58 PM|
R574 - the Catholic Church doesn’t own Notre Dame, the French State does.
|by Anonymous||reply 582||Last Monday at 2:58 PM|
R575 and R579, now that the fire in Notre Dame seems so have weakened, feel free to die in a nice grease fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 583||Last Monday at 2:58 PM|
*seems TO have weakened
|by Anonymous||reply 584||Last Monday at 2:59 PM|
Fortunately we at DL are ready to help with our many middle class America men near retirement age, with plenty of time on their hands, who became expert artistes de vitrail in their boyhoods in the 60s and 70s.
|by Anonymous||reply 585||Last Monday at 2:59 PM|
r580 one time when billionaires are worth a damn. I would gladly give to the rebuild fund as well. It's history and worth tossing a couple of bucks at to restore. They did a good job with Versailles, thank Jackie O! They can rebuild the church, as others said hopefully the walls hold.
|by Anonymous||reply 586||Last Monday at 2:59 PM|
r582 exactly, if the church still owned it then some of the millions in tourists fees funds might have gone to the actual building's upkeep. Don't see the Vatican burning down and that bitch is old as dirt.
|by Anonymous||reply 587||Last Monday at 3:00 PM|
The stained glass windows are not the originasl, they were all redone in 18th and 19th centuries
|by Anonymous||reply 588||Last Monday at 3:01 PM|
Constructions workers, ISIS. Same difference.
|by Anonymous||reply 589||Last Monday at 3:02 PM|
I blame the gilets jaunes
|by Anonymous||reply 590||Last Monday at 3:03 PM|
R583 I'll save my tears for lost heritage that can never be replaced, like Andrea Mantegna's frescoes in Cappella Ovetari in Padua. All that was lost tonight were a few wooden beams, that can easily be reconstructed.
|by Anonymous||reply 591||Last Monday at 3:03 PM|
[quote] The third circle [of the south rose window] has some medallions with scenes from the New Testament Gospel of Matthew which date from the last quarter of the 12th century. These are the oldest glass in the window.
|by Anonymous||reply 592||Last Monday at 3:04 PM|
[quote]Oh man, what a horrible thing to witness. Wish the Germans could be there. They seem like boy scouts
No. Keep the Germans out. They caused enough destruction in France.
|by Anonymous||reply 593||Last Monday at 3:04 PM|
I'm sure everything inside was well documented, including the windows. It may be ridiculously painstaking, but they could re-do them.
|by Anonymous||reply 594||Last Monday at 3:05 PM|
I hope this is a wakeup call to my fellow DL Travel fans. No guarantees. I could've seen Notre Dame last summer but I thought "next time, I'll stop in Paris"
|by Anonymous||reply 595||Last Monday at 3:07 PM|
Just saw updated report on MSNBC. So basically the wooden spire and the roof were destroyed (and some windows). Not catastrophic. Probably more water damage than anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 596||Last Monday at 3:07 PM|
The french are teh great artist of the world, so the skills are there and the money wont be a problem after the world throught we were watching the entire thing burn.
|by Anonymous||reply 597||Last Monday at 3:07 PM|
R594 but it is not the same, it is just a copy then
|by Anonymous||reply 598||Last Monday at 3:08 PM|
During two separate occasions on Monday afternoon, Fox anchors Shepard Smith and Neil Cavuto had to dump out of interviews after their guests wildly speculated and parroted conspiracy theories that the #NotreDameFire was an intentionally malicious act
Neil Cavuto hung up on Catholic League president Bill Donohue mid-conversation while Shepard Smith openly scolded a guest who echoed baseless speculation about the horrific fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 599||Last Monday at 3:08 PM|
I saved Windsor Castle and I would have saved Notre Dame.
I still have one horse-faced daughter to marry off. Is anyone interested?
|by Anonymous||reply 600||Last Monday at 3:09 PM|
Some statues were saved before the fire. They were taken away to be cleaned.
|by Anonymous||reply 601||Last Monday at 3:09 PM|
The SJW French will create new "unité" window designs, kumbaya about multicultural post-colonial France. There will be new carvings commissioned by French muslim artists, as well. And why not? Nobody can see the details of those windows with their own eyesight from the floor.
|by Anonymous||reply 602||Last Monday at 3:10 PM|
r595 no joke my family said the same thing about visiting the World Trade Center's resturant when we went to NYC for the 99/00 New Years.
r600 did andrew realyl help Windsor
|by Anonymous||reply 603||Last Monday at 3:11 PM|
Pity Mark Wahlberg was not in town to save the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 604||Last Monday at 3:11 PM|
R595: I saw Notre Dame from the outside and figured I would go inside next time. Damn.
|by Anonymous||reply 605||Last Monday at 3:16 PM|
They don't even know who/what really happened.
|by Anonymous||reply 606||Last Monday at 3:16 PM|
I visited Westminster Abbey last year and felt enormous relief that it still stands after so many centuries. It was badly damaged during the London blitz but survived to be the site of the coronation of our (I'm a Canadian) current monarch. As far as I recall the N.D. spire dates from the 19th c. thanks to Viollet-le-Duc I hope that the medieval stained glass might be preserved and remounted. The rose windows we
When I visited Westminster Abbey in 2018 I was moved that such an ancient building with its many monuments should still be standing even though it was badly damaged during the Blitz. As for N.D. I hope that the medieval stain glass can be salvaged and put into a new rose window.
|by Anonymous||reply 607||Last Monday at 3:20 PM|
My penis hurts.
|by Anonymous||reply 608||Last Monday at 3:23 PM|
The Catholic country which built this cathedral over many centuries through faith and spirituality no longer exists.
The best they can do is build a Disney replica like the campanile in St Mark's square and La Fenice.
A $7 million restoration when it clearly needed 50 million? Who was doing this Ace Hardware? No wonder it went up like a haystack. French corruption at its finest.
|by Anonymous||reply 609||Last Monday at 3:35 PM|
R344, it is not a competition, for f*ck sake .
R426, Imperialism ? Imperialism has nothing to do with a Medieval cathedral you dimwit.
|by Anonymous||reply 610||Last Monday at 5:47 PM|
[quote] A symbol of imperialism and fundamentalist Catholic bullshit.
Wrong on both counts.
|by Anonymous||reply 611||Last Monday at 7:43 PM|