Democrats' support of her reckless and careless remarks are going to lead to 4 . more years of Trump.
Interesting opinion piece on the "Ilhan Omar trap"
By rushing to stand with the controversial congresswoman, the 2020 contenders are allowing Trump to transform her into the face of their party.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||04/15/2019|
They sanctioned her, which is support now, according to you and The Atlantic?
Fucking enough. Democrats not being perfect will lead to four more years of Trump! Muslims and trans will lead to four more years of Trump! Some rando posting about canned tomatoes on Datalounge will lead to four more years of Trump! New Tide Pods are going to lead to four more years of Trump!
|by Anonymous||reply 1||04/15/2019|
But it will. The people that decide elections are the middle ground people. They will be swayed by asinine things like this. We know what she meant but a smart politician would never bring this up or phrase it like she did. It's a gift to the right. This moron and AOC only care about making a name for themselves. The goal is 2020. Anything that hurts that goal should be tossed aside.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||04/15/2019|
You fools. This ragheaded pig and those like her in congress will absolutely ring about Trumps second term.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||04/15/2019|
Omar, Tlaib, Gillibrand, Ellison, Ocasio-Cortez and the Dem candidates who joined the Bigot Sharpton's Parade of Fools are indicative of a party that has lost both its direction and its mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||04/15/2019|
She reminds me of Yassmin Abdel-Magied from the Sudan who the powers that be in Australia for some reason anointed as a "voice" and who said so much deliberately divisive anti-Australia and anti-Australian shit on TV and social media day after day that she eventually got what she so desperately wanted (being hated and thus being able to turn around and play the victim) and fled to the UK to continue her shit-stirring ways over there. She's not missed.
She describes herself as “a smart mouth in a hijab” and “Australia’s most publicly hated Muslim”. Yassmin Abdel-Magied reflects on life at the centre of a media furore – and why she’s leaving town.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||04/15/2019|
Muslims like Omar only serve one master, Allah (the greatest of deceivers).
|by Anonymous||reply 6||04/15/2019|
Some of you need to stop living in fear. Trump voters are going to vote Trump, they are lost to us. And you know what, if someone is straddling the fence between 4 more years of insanity and a chance to get this country back on track, then fuck them to. I'm tried of being held hostage. For some reason the conservative right can walk around holding pictures of aborted fetuses or yelling fag or inciting violence at political rallies or being racist and you never see think pieces on how they are going to lose the middle.
And yes, I realize that democrats are much more dependent on the middle than republicans are. But I'm done. Either you're for Trump or you're not. If the actions of one freshman representative impacts your vote that much, then go vote for him and be happy.
You see this in the Mayor Pete threads. The middle won't vote for a gay man. Then you know what, maybe we need to work a little harder to start getting more democrats to the polls. Stop being afraid and stop being pussies and start fighting.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||04/15/2019|
Trump doubles down:
Before Nancy, who has lost all control of Congress and is getting nothing done, decides to defend her leader, Rep. Omar, she should look at the anti-Semitic, anti-Israel and ungrateful U.S. HATE statements Omar has made. She is out of control, except for her control of Nancy!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||04/15/2019|
I think Omar is a self righteous asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||04/15/2019|
She is a self-righteous shit-stirrer. A pity, because she had a good hand of cards to play.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||04/15/2019|
What do you expect from a man even Fox News pulled the plug on last week because of his rambling "incoherence"?
Of course Trump will Tweet to his base about Omar and Pelosi; it's the red meat they otherwise can no longer afford because of their idol's tax cuts and ACA rollbacks.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||04/15/2019|
She has a big mouth. Like Trump Super annoying.
I don't care about her Israel stuff. I just care that she blabs non-stop about it.
She's like Jeanette Vizguerra. Big mouth who makes her people look bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||04/15/2019|
[quote]if someone is straddling the fence between 4 more years of insanity and a chance to get this country back on track, then fuck them
R7 By "four more years of insanity" you mean record low unemployment (especially in the black and Hispanic communities)? It's the economy, stupid. People vote with their pocketbooks. Didn't you learn anything from Bill Clinton?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||04/15/2019|
What a time to be alive.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||04/15/2019|
Trump's gonna win in 2020 regardless, it would be nice to see the democrats establishing themselves as an effective opposition party.... or they could be a sideshow I guess...
|by Anonymous||reply 15||04/15/2019|
In my time, freshmen Congressmen (and the ladies were called that, too) were barely seen and never heard. They worked their way gradually up the hierarchy.
Which is why Democrats won the House more consistently.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||04/15/2019|
This is an extraordinarily unpopular opinion I know, but until the Dems can let go of identity politics, we're going to lose.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||04/15/2019|
R17 I agree. It's poison.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||04/15/2019|
This thread brought out the Russian trolls like flies to horse shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||04/15/2019|
What a load of concern troll garbage. The only thing Dems do wrong is in not supporting her. The brainwashed GOP cult of sadists, losers, and racists is never going to vote for Dems.
Time to bring out the Dem base by actually standing up for something and being energetic.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||04/15/2019|
[quote]until the Dems can let go of identity politics, we're going to lose.
First of all, 'identity politics' is a phrase coined by the right. What they mean by it is CIVIL RIGHTS. The day the Democrats abandon civil rights is the day they lose my vote, and the votes of millions of others as well. That this needs to be explained on a gay board is pathetic.
I have little use for a gaffe-prone, shit stirring anti-Semite like Omar. But this article was written by David Frum - a former Dubya speechwriter. Why the fuck are Dems ALWAYS dithering about these sorts of critiques by Republican pieces of crap like him? They don't want us to succeed, idiots, abd they certainly don't have the Democratic party's best interests at heart. Even the never-Trumpers are still conservatives, and they still hate us. Tune them out and get to work.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||04/15/2019|
She's too into being a celebrity. AOC actually does good work (e.g., hear questioning at the Cohen hearing). Plus, she's granular on social media, so she's earning her notoriety bit by bit. Omar just thinks that by making huge statements, she's going to gain followers. You have to keep the social media flow pretty low-key but constant.
I really hope staff come out and leak info about her diva behavior behind the scenes.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||04/15/2019|
I feel like most actual Dems don't give a shit what people like Frum say, but that trolls, shit-stirrers and a media looking for clicks pretend like they do, just to have something to talk about.
It's been a long time since I've seen a concerned Democrat that I thought was genuinely concerned and not a troll.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||04/15/2019|
Interesting, R5. She's from Sudan. Omar is from Somalia. I've noticed that Somali-Americans are very vocal and active in politics (Minnesota, Maine), protesting labor conditions, religious accommodations, and limits on social benefits. I wonder if it's cultural, an East African Islamic thing.
lhan Omar joins Amazon workers of East African descent in Minneapolis to rally for better working conditions.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||04/15/2019|
Surprised that it's the Atlantic. Sounds more like National Review.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||04/15/2019|
R21, you’re full of shit.
Good news for people who like good news: some of the people I know who had the severest cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome are coming around. The collapse of the Russia bullshit, the cringey stupid stuff Omar and AOC keep doing and the media’s way of blaming their gaffes on Trump, contrasted with the good economy and lack of wars had moved the needle. They’re no longer terminal cases!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I believe the Dems know 2020 is an impossibility and they’re marking time until the current Twitter activists who are holding them hostage with far left ideas grow up a bit and become less volatile. They made this bed but they don’t wanna lie in it.
Identity politics is poison. The left wants to separate everyone by sex, gender, race, religion and orientation 99% of the time to distract you from global corporatism; the right is united by ideas that are predicated on America being the best thing going and let’s make small improvements. Today’s right doesn’t care what your sex, gender, race, religion and orientation is.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||04/15/2019|
There are Trump voters very chagrined and disappointed as to how he's conducted himself in office who are open to voting for a middle of the road Democratic. A gay candidate is not the biggest hurdle. It's talk of reparations, it's talk of socialism, it's transgender politics and it's AOC and Omar spewing their radical ideas. And, it's Bernie fear. This is what will push those truly on the fence over to Trump. And this is the margin of votes needed to put a Democratic back in the White House.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||04/15/2019|
Translation of R26:
Dems: Party that wants to be virtuous and self-righteous.
Repubs: Party that wants to get elected.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||04/15/2019|
R27, I don't care about chagrined Trump voters. They are not the reliable Dem base. They might vote for a centrist Dem this year and then vote GOP 2 years from now because they're mad about a tax cut. In fact, they already did that, switching from Obama to Trump.
I care about getting progressives riled up and voting. And that takes actual stands. The Dems need to become the party of FDR again.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||04/15/2019|
All American Muslims knew this was coming.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||04/15/2019|
I can tell R26 is as white as snow.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||04/15/2019|
Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic. Not every Jew lives in or supports Israel. Not every Israeli supports their extreme right wing government. America spends billions funding Israel in their racist war to purify the land that they stole from the people that lived there, and don't even want to let them self-govern.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||04/15/2019|
R29 Reliable Dems? What did they get us in 2016?
Building a pipeline of progressives is fine, but in 2020, Republican fence-sitters disgusted with Trump are what's going to make an impact.
I agree dissatisfied Trumpsters voting against type in a 2nd term year would swing right back to GOP in 2024. So what? That's been the case for both parties for decades. Vote anti-party, anti-candidate to send a message is SOP.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||04/15/2019|
Oh god, R24. You're at fucking WORK, not church or mosque. Why exactly do they need special prayer time while on the clock? Pray and worship on your own time. This is honestly just annoying.
I think the attacks on Ilhan Omar have been really horrid and the president himself is definitely inciting violence against her and other Muslims (see a repeat of the Pittsburgh / New Zealand massacres in our future), but I would really like it if Omar was a bit smarter about the things she says. She is just entirely too vocal right now and giving the Right ready-made sound bytes to use. Anyone with a brain could have told you that the "some people did something" quote was just waiting for a Fox News amplification moment. She really should know better.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||04/15/2019|
Oh, Democrats are always 'failing' and 'in-fighting' and 'disorganized'... and our candidates are always 'unpopular' and 'in trouble' with 'too much baggage'. Republican brainwashing.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||04/15/2019|
Agree with r17.
As a lifelong Democrat, I despair.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||04/15/2019|
I said this in a AOC thread, but since the thread got deleted (of course), I'll repeat here: you'd think after losing 2016 partially due to "identity politics", that those who are the most guilty of it would have looked in the mirror for some honest self-reflection and made the necessary adjustments to try and win back voters (in particular in the swing states that were lost), but it seems that since then they've only doubled down on it, which only appeals to stronghold states that are in no danger of shifting anyway. It's baffling.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||04/15/2019|
Yes, 2018 was a poor me moment.
Here's the reality- we have to stand with each other. If it's not Omar, it's AOC, or Warren, or Pelosi, Waters or Harris. The Republicans will always find a woman to demonize. Extra points for skin color.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||04/15/2019|
Just a reminder that the people who actually vote for Democrats and the people who are constantly offended on Twitter are two entirely different populations:
Omar appeals to the latter and scares the former.
While AOC comes off as a bright woman, whether or not you agree with her, Omar just comes off as a loud-mouthed idiot, feeding into every negative stereotype of leftists and Muslims and hijacking the national conversation for her own self-interest.
She has given Trump his bogeyman and fear that she will have a role in a Sanders or Warren administration will re-elect him. Sanders, whom I supported in 2016, has become even more doctrinaire and rigid and is the worst thing that has happened to the party in years.
A detailed look at the voters with the numbers to decide the 2020 Democratic nominee.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||04/15/2019|
I have a problem with her (or anyone else) attempting to minimize acts of terrorism.
The most idiotic thing I heard is someone from CAIR creating a ludicrous parallel between conspiracy nuts who claim 9/11 was an inside job and her comments.
By not openly and rigorously disavowing the actions of terrorists, you implicitly sanction them.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||04/15/2019|
Her entire CAIR speech was a misstep.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||04/15/2019|
She phrased it incorrectly. She was saying that "some people did some things, and suddenly everyone is saying all Muslims are terrorists". She should have said "several people who claim to be practicing Muslims, but who aren't, did something absolutely horrible ..."
|by Anonymous||reply 42||04/15/2019|
[quote]Repubs: Party that wants to get elected.
So the Dems don't want to get elected? Well that's become obvious!
|by Anonymous||reply 43||04/15/2019|
The problem is that AOC won't jettison her. So Omar is here to stay. The press will keep covering her no matter how much other Dems ignore and disavow her. AOC will retweet and the press will just keep on going.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||04/15/2019|
[quote]"several people who claim to be practicing Muslims, but who aren't, did something absolutely horrible ..."
But is this true?
I'd say they were practicing Muslims. They certainly "identified" as Muslim, no?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||04/15/2019|
[quote]While AOC comes off as a bright woman
Found on Google from giphy.com
|by Anonymous||reply 46||04/15/2019|
Omar is an idiot and you can bet that the DNC is already looking for her replacement and building a war chest to get rid of her.
Her microaggressions towards Jews and referring to the horrible slaughter of 3,000 people as "some thing" show a lack of intelligence, insight and common sense. She is the left version of that hideous King character.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||04/15/2019|
Concern trolls are concerned. This party is going left as is the American electorate. End of discussion. Get on board or get lost.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||04/15/2019|
R48 will be declaring that he'll be "moving to Canada" after November 2020.
But by then Justin Trudeau may not be PM.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||04/15/2019|
"They will be swayed by asinine things like this"
No one will remember this in a year
"She is the left version of that hideous King character"
No, she's not, and it figures that DL would lump a pro-gay woman in with a gay basher like King.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||04/15/2019|
How the fuck is she 'pro-gay'? She said she supported 'LGBTQ' and we all know what that means: TRANS, which is the only acceptable path in her religion.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||04/15/2019|
R45 It's called deflection, used by Muslims who understand the extent of Western gullibility and therefore state publicly some variation of "terrorists aren't real/true Muslims". They are, since terrorism has been used all over Europe, Asia and Africa by Muslims as a means to subjugate both Muslims and non-Muslims.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||04/15/2019|
"Just a reminder that the people who actually vote for Democrats and the people who are constantly offended on Twitter are two entirely different populations"
Well, based on that article you posted the "people who are constantly offended" are more likely to be college educated.
"How the fuck is she 'pro-gay'? She said she supported 'LGBTQ' and we all know what that means: TRANS, which is the only acceptable path in her religion."
She supports gay rights, Einstein, and the people who support gays AND trans people are usually liberal. People who hate trans people are usually conservative.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||04/15/2019|
R45, I included that because that's the standard line from mainstream pundits and CAIR: "the terrorists claimed to practice Islam, but they don't know the first thing about Islam, etc."
It's usually horseshit but I'm just saying that's what she should have said — the standard prefatory line.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||04/15/2019|
[quote]She phrased it incorrectly. She was saying that "some people did some things, and suddenly everyone is saying all Muslims are terrorists". She should have said "several people who claim to be practicing Muslims, but who aren't, did something absolutely horrible ..."
While it is possible she meant something along those lines, it's not really possible to know for certain. But, even the equivocation on "people who CLAIM to be practicing Muslims" would have raised the some backlash for the comment because it still tries to distance itself from the act.
She would have to have said something much more affirmative: "Criminals and terrorists did something horrible in the name of Islam, and the rest of us have been lumped along with them."
|by Anonymous||reply 55||04/15/2019|
You people are secretly Fox viewers, is that it? You sure seem to fall for Republican propaganda.
If you don't like Omar (or AOC, Tlaib, etc.), go ahead and vote Republican. Then you can watch your health care be decimated, your Medicare and Social Security cut or eliminated, your wages stagnating, your water supply polluted, your lungs killed with coal, etc., etc. And your rights as a gay person rolled back. Plus a couple of wars thrown in for good measure.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||04/15/2019|
[quote]She supports gay rights, Einstein, and the people who support gays AND trans people are usually liberal. People who hate trans people are usually conservative.
R51 is correct. Omar focuses on "transgender" support.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||04/15/2019|
So does AOC, who encouraged people to donate to Mermaids UK and who retweets nutjob 'Charlotte' Clymer.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||04/15/2019|
R56 Continue to lick Omar and Cortez's dirty assholes as much as you want. Just don't expect the rest of us to fall in line behind their asses.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||04/15/2019|
R56 falling for her own propaganda.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||04/15/2019|
R56 You are the one falling in the trap of identity politics. As a democrat, I am able to criticize my party and remain in the party. Because I find Omar execrable and ruinous to the Democratic party does not indicate I do not support the goals of Democrats.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||04/15/2019|
R33, because that is cowardly bullshit that brought us Trump. Unacceptable. The days of wimpy centrist Dems who cling to swing voters are over -- they have brought us to catastrophe.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||04/15/2019|
R62 So you'd rather leftist extremists who will only push sane people to the right thus ensuring a second Trump term followed by eight years of Pence? We've got your number, hussy. I knew I smelled vodka.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||04/15/2019|
I agree with r61
|by Anonymous||reply 64||04/15/2019|
And your obvious concern trolling is going to lead me to F&Fing you, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||04/15/2019|
I would LOVE to hear what she tells her own family, or what she says in Somali to other Somalis about homosexuality. Yes, in public she says the right things and she has gone to Pride parades - if she were anti-gay there is no way in hell she would win that district. But she also wears Islam on her sleeve (well at least on her head), and Somalis are notorious for their homophobia.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||04/15/2019|
How is kind of quietly helping them along to Canada not a good solution? All the lefties who think the US is irredeemable will be "saving" the migrants by helping them avoid the "injustices" that would otherwise be inflicted upon them in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||04/15/2019|
I appreciate the picture at r67
|by Anonymous||reply 68||04/15/2019|
Yeah, I'm sure she and her family and friends just LOVE gay people. I can only imagine what they've said about us in private.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||04/15/2019|
Please, r61. It was the moderate Democrats that gave you the Congressional majority. Progressives didn't do so well in the mid terms. The progressives that won were in existing blue districts where a Democrat would have won regardless of identity. It was the moderates that flipped districts from red to blue.
Sorry, progressives are loud, but not the majority.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||04/15/2019|
Oops, r70 is meant for r62 not r61.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||04/15/2019|
Progressives are the most regressive people you'll meet. Just look at them pushing for transing children which is just another form of gay conversion therapy. They can fuck right off.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||04/15/2019|
Ilhan Omar is my representative in the 5th district of MN. She won that contest with 78% of the vote after defeating several established politicians in the primaries. We are 2/3 caucasian in the 5th by the way. She replaced Keith Ellison, another muslim, to take the seat. We don't have camels wandering down the highway and Shaira law isn't a blip on ANYONES radar. The vast majority of the young are assimilating as they are (generally) welcomed by everyone. This is how america works.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||04/15/2019|
Thank you R73, and R56 for speaking the truth.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||04/15/2019|
Get back to us in a few years, R73, when their numbers rise. Everything is fun and games until then.
Nick Ferrari says Donald Trump might be right about London - after a Met Police officer told him they have been told not to wear uniform in certain areas.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||04/15/2019|
I have to ask, r73: Is she doing ANYTHING for the district? That is actually a House Rep's first duty - to represent their district. Does she have any time away from being Jihad Barbie to take of the people who actually voted for her? Somalis certainly never struck me as assimilating, particularly in their opinions of gay people.
Moslem Somali immigrants yell and scream anti-gay homophobic slurs at a couple of homosexual men after a gay parade in Minneapolis - St. Paul area. This is c...
|by Anonymous||reply 76||04/15/2019|
[quote]It was a careful choice of words, Bernard Lewis being nothing if not careful. In 2004, the West audibly gasped when its preeminent scholar of Islam famously told the German newspaper Die Welt,“Europe will be Islamic by the end of the century,” if not sooner.
[quote]Listen carefully. He did not say that Muslims will be the majority population in what is still recognizably Europe. No, Professor Lewis said “Europe will be Islamic.”
[quote]We are not talking about Muslims here. We are talking about Islam. Lots of individual Muslims desire peaceful coexistence, even assimilation. But Islam’s aim is to prevail. So, yet again this week, Lewis’s foreboding has been brought to the fore by a jihadist mass-murder attack, this time in London.
The recent attack in London illustrates that radical Islam in Britain is anti-Western and anti-assimilation.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||04/15/2019|
Laugh all you want R46, she held her own in the Kavanaugh hearings and much of what she has to say is actually well thought out. You may prefer Hillary and her corporate-ese but AOC is no dummy.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||04/15/2019|
R78 She didn't hold shit in that hearing or any other. She sounds like a four year old girl with that squeaky voice spewing stupid shit. Does she think that makes her sound intelligent? Does she think it's cute? Who is she trying to attract? Pedophiles?
|by Anonymous||reply 79||04/15/2019|
But actually, he has a point. As Europe has become more and more secularized, it's left an opening that Islam may move into.
Maybe in 2100 Notre Dame will be a mosque.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||04/15/2019|
[quote] Well, based on that article you posted the "people who are constantly offended" are more likely to be college educated.
And that is a key point lost on many people-- the true base of the Democrats are union workers and others without a college education, a sizable number of whom are otherwise socially conservative African-Americans in the South.
Also, the fact that the loudest voices on Twitter are college graduates (Oberlin and Bennington, no doubt), they don't represent the majority of college graduates, even the majority of graduates of top colleges who vote for Democrats.
Twitter is a dangerous bubble and the point of the article was that candidates need to stop basing their campaigns on what "Twitter" is saying.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||04/15/2019|
Is R79 Erna?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||04/15/2019|
No. Are you, R82?
|by Anonymous||reply 83||04/15/2019|
"some people who CLAIM to be muslims..."
HELLO! Mohammud was a mass murderer, a rapist and enslaver. Islamic terrorists are following the example of their prophet and the violent directives of their islamic god. Hate, violence, domination, and murder are, if the not the very essence of islam, they are a huge factor. There have been over 30,000 islamic terror attacks around the globe since 9/11, most of them inter-islamic fighting, but not all. Add to it the incredible amount of violence being perpetuated against non-muslims, the destruction of churches, all of it sanctified by the islamic foundational texts, and you get a better idea exactly what a real muslim is. No other group is doing all this shit, and it has been going on for 1,400 years. And the supposed moderate muslim say nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||04/15/2019|
R81 NAILED IT. These loudmouth Twitter SJW types DO NOT represent anything close to the majority of Americans, or even Democrats. Yet the campaigns keep kow-towing to them. When Muslims keep screaming about forcing Dems to say #IstandwithIlhanOmar, they don't just mean against death threats - they want to make her anti-Semitism one of the party planks.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||04/15/2019|
I fully support Fish-Haters like R79!!
|by Anonymous||reply 86||04/15/2019|
OP is a Deplorable Trump voter. Fuck off, creep.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||04/15/2019|
R70, it's not surprising that moderates flipped essentially *conservative* districts who are dead sick of Trump and progressives won in progressive districts because of gerrymandering. I wonder how many truly "moderate" districts there actually are anymore. Probably very few.
The "moderate" strategy as a whole has been a catastrophic failure for the last 20 years. People were disgusted with the Democratic party -- that's why 2016 happened. America IS progressive as a whole. They support universal health care, higher minimum wages, gun control, are pro-choice, and want Dreamers to be able to stay here. It's just that Dems have not until recently branded themselves as strongly standing for these things -- are standing for much of anything except "we're better than the GOP."
|by Anonymous||reply 88||04/15/2019|
The Israeli gov't under Netanyahu is vile, disgusting, authoritarian, and apartheid. It is the chief enemy of country of Israel. Already the young and POC are seeing that. Dems need to call that out.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||04/15/2019|
Americans wanted to show how progressive they were by electing Trump, r88?
|by Anonymous||reply 90||04/15/2019|
[quote] Maybe in 2100 Notre Dame will be a mosque.
It's currently on fire and may not be still standing by tomorrow.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||04/15/2019|
R80 If Notre Dame even lasts that long.
Smoke has been seen billowing out of the world-famous Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris after it caught fire this evening.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||04/15/2019|
R90, yes, because they wanted to send a message of "fuck you" to the Dems -- of "anything but this [supposedly liberal but actually not doing nearly enough to improve our lives] shit."
|by Anonymous||reply 93||04/15/2019|
R76 As individuals what do any of them do? She is one of many. In terms of bridging the divide between groups in her district-- yes this is something she focuses on. Did you actually watch the video you posted? The 'victim' was smiling throughout the encounter. You conflate a rowdy bunch of middle schoolers with international terrorism. Have you ever been around a pack of bored 11-14 years olds? They are merciless to everyone. Do you even interact with people of different backgrounds and faiths as a part of your daily life? If you did you'd realize it's the positive interactions: kindness, acknowledgement, recognition, change individuals one at a time. Those kids in the video are the bridge between their old world and the new. I'm happy a Minneapolis boy or girl from Africa or Asia can SEE that someone just like them can succeed in business or politics. The other option is the French system: ignore and isolate.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||04/15/2019|
R94 is happy to be berated for being gay in public so long as it's dark skinned people doing it. Pathetic.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||04/15/2019|
[QUOTE]Maybe in 2100 Notre Dame will be a mosque.
Notre Dame is currently burning right now.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||04/15/2019|
Sorry, just to clarify, is Notre Dame on fire at the moment?
|by Anonymous||reply 97||04/15/2019|
First Joan Collins's Belgravia flat and now Notre Dame! The world is on fire!
|by Anonymous||reply 98||04/15/2019|
R93, if progressives voted for Trump to punish Dems for not being progressive enough, they belong in mental health care, not the voting booth.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||04/15/2019|
SOMEONE START A THREAD ABOUT NOTRE DAME
|by Anonymous||reply 100||04/15/2019|
[quote]Notre Dame cathedral has caught fire, according to the Parisian fire service and eyewitnesses.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||04/15/2019|
Has Faux News already blamed Omar for the Notre Dame fire?
|by Anonymous||reply 102||04/15/2019|
Has MSNBC blamed Trump for the Notre Dame fire? I'm sure Rachel will be all over it tonight.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||04/15/2019|
Is that you at R103, Tucker? Isn't it about time for your third lunch of the day?
|by Anonymous||reply 104||04/15/2019|
Watch Tucker Carlson Tonight weeknights at 8PM ET on Fox News!
|by Anonymous||reply 105||04/15/2019|
Why do some of y'all hate it when a Muslim isn't a walking stereotype? Y'all need to get out more and stop being paranoid. I understand your fear of Islam, this doesn't mean you should be afraid of every Muslim out there.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||04/15/2019|
R78, she is very much a "dummy", especially when it comes to math and economics. She has a fact check profile similar to Trump's.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's statements by ruling.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||04/15/2019|
Oh look. The LSA cunt is here.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||04/15/2019|
R88, the progressives that lost were in blue districts and a few were in California where they actually ran against another Democrat instead of a Republican.
And, hey, the all or nothing progressive strategy has been working out real well over the past two years (eyeroll).
|by Anonymous||reply 109||04/15/2019|
As someone I used to hear on the radio liked to say, more than one thing can be true.
The trump & similar stuff w. edited clips is vile.
She either knows she's playing with fire, saying things reasonable people will find to be offensive and disturbing or she's blindingly stupid for not knowing as much. (Assuming the fire, her motivation is what? And that's not a rhetorical question.)
With regard to the party, could she be less of a team-player? She comes across as blindingly arrogant, showing middle fingers to the club she chose to join, entered the club and told all and sundry in it how things would be.
Coincidence or otherwise that this approach taken by a non-trivial number of islamic immigrants in any number of countries has left reasonable people rather limited in their enthusiasm for islam??
|by Anonymous||reply 110||04/15/2019|
R109, what all-or-nothing progressive strategy? That's certainly not what's been put out there by Pelosi & Schumer.
A few individual progressives may have lost races, and a few very progressive progressives won huge... people like Ayana Pressley and obviously AOC. These people are reinvigorating the party and getting usual non-voters excited about voting. That is HUGE.
Anyhow, it's not about a few individual races. It's about the brand of the party. Dems used to be known as the party that reliably supported the middle class and the working person. In the 80s, that changed. Dems were bought out by corporate donations and became feckless, mealy-mouthed, passionless wafflers. That's what's turned people off. That's what's changing, thank god.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||04/15/2019|
Dems are whores. But they're "caring" whores. Where's a Sure, Jan gif when you need one?
|by Anonymous||reply 112||04/15/2019|
Do you think Omar, with her rhetoric, contributes to the reinvigoration of the party? Please elaborate if you think so.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||04/15/2019|
She seems to be more of a Burn It All Down type just like DL fave Susan Sarandon. For some reason, Susan gets vilified for that while Ilhan gets to hide behind her hajib and cry Islamophobia.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||04/15/2019|
I recently heard a great question about Omar (but I won't say from who because he's hated here): "she came here as a Somali refugee.... why did she come, if she wants to change everything???"
|by Anonymous||reply 115||04/15/2019|
Is Omar dancing in the streets in ecstasy over the burning of Notre Dame?
|by Anonymous||reply 116||04/15/2019|
[quote] I recently heard a great question about Omar (but I won't say from who because he's hated here): "she came here as a Somali refugee.... why did she come, if she wants to change everything???"
Yes change is bad. We need to strike down gay marriage and reestablish the sodomy laws.
Minorities should shut up about change.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||04/15/2019|
If you want to believe that Omar gives a flying fuck about gay marriage, then I'll let you keep that delusion.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||04/15/2019|
“ The day the Democrats abandon civil rights is the day they lose my vote, and the votes of millions of others as well. That this needs to be explained on a gay board is pathetic.”
I guess they’ve lost your vote.
Civil rights don’t matter to socialists.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||04/15/2019|