"American Horror Story: 1984"

I hope Emma plays a bitchy popular girl! It would be such a stretch for her.

Evan Peters is what made the show pop. It will be too dull without him.

[quote]This will be the first season Evan Peters sits out.

Paulson now as well. It's the beginning of the end, I think. Especially with that horrid creature Roberts playing the lead.

Wow, the trades are fighting like cats.

[quote]Deadline has heard that Emmy winner Sarah Paulson isn’t completely sitting out on American Horror Story: 1984, she’ll just have a smaller part in the upcoming season of the FX series as she takes on the lead role in Ryan Murphy’s Netflix series Ratched.

Every season starts strong and then falls apart, but I like the idea of this one.

Emma Roberts? Though her character was the best in Murphy's Scream Queens. I guess he makes a more serious version of SQ at AHS: 1984 and maybe even try to give it a bit of a Stranger Things spin. Though he did produce a pretty decent slasher flick a couple of years back.

Oh just kill the shit, it is just awful now

I don't feel like I'm that stressed on how good it'll be because there's no way it'll top AHS: Asylum and I'm okay with that, but casting Gus Kenworthy doesn't bode well. I hope he dies in the first episode.

Isn't Lady Fuckface also supposed to be returning?

R9 Fuckface, return, to 'television'. She is too big a movie star now to slum on TV

Ugh, Emma Roberts as the lead? She is really not that talented.

I have a feeling this season will be terrible, but copious Gus Kenworthy nudity will get us to watch.

Wasn't 1983 better?

[quote]I hope Emma plays a bitchy popular girl! It would be such a stretch for her.

I honestly do hope so. When they tried to have to play a different character type in Freakshow it was horrible. She needs to stick to her bitchy character.

Emma Roberts was a riot in Scream Queens. Shit actress though.

I'm here, darlings!

A season without lisping? Whatever shall I do?!

The first season of Scream Queens was brilliant. I think 1984 will be similar, but scary instead of funny/scary.

I can't wait to sit out of another season!

Taylor Swift was in Scream Queens? Did she die first or something?

Stranger Things already captured '80s horror/scifi. There have been dozens of cinematic homages to the '80s for years. This will not be at all original, just gory, and everyone will die.

I think one of my daughters was on this for a season. Not Mamie. The other one. Someone look up her name for me.

Cheyenne Jackson has announced that he's not returning.

Interesting, if true:

AHS hasn't been truly scary since season one.

[quote]So many big names are sitting out another season of this show because the showrunner got an increase to the budget by a factor of three but has worked it out so he can keep more if it for himself. He wasn't going to share, so they walked.

Hehe, good for them.

[quote] Stranger Things already captured '80s horror/scifi.

Yes, threre's only [bold]one[/bold] possible way of doing an homage to an entire decade's worth of two genres.

Such an intelligent comment.

Who's the showrunner?

Still Ryan Murphy, despite his new deal with Netflix. Hence the pay bump.

Strange that the actors would rebel against Murphy getting a pay raise.

He has basically been their "bread and butter" for the past five-plus years.

Paulson and Evans, in particular.

Seems a bit disloyal, if you ask me.

But those two are way bigger now than they were when the first season aired. They're kinda movie stars at this point.

"American Horror Story : Stranger Things"

People still take Enty seriously....

It boggles my mind.

R26's attempt at sarcasm is as derivative as an AHS storyline.

I think Murphy being busy with other projects creates friction with the actors who don't know where they stand with him and his show / shows / projects and, when they are in a position to do so, rather quit than feel like he's playing mind-games with them.

Anjelica Ross from POSE has joined the cast.

The shows are so LOUD I have to keep the remote in my lap. And all that frenetic editing makes me dizzy.

And everyone dies.

1984 is the title of the Wonder Woman sequel also.

LOOK WHO'S BITING 'STRANGER THINGS!'

Shame on Murphy.

Will Madge ER ....Madonna , make a cameo ?

Murphy posted a costume test/tease of the cast.

Yawn.

Apparently Matthew Morrison is playing the sexual harasser counselor. Why else is his package so on display?

Is Cody Fern so clueless? What a fuckwit

Love the preview. Gus Kenworthy looks hot in the 80s get-up.

Leslie Grossman's lewk reminds me of Amy Poehler in Wet Hot American Summer.

I think Sarah Paulson will be opening scene victim on the show.

It might make more sense if Paulson reprised her role as Lana Winters.

R48 That would be fun.

Emma Roberts can't act! She wouldn't be acting her aunt wasn't Julia Roberts!

Apparently she also nearly killed someone in summer camp by making them drink bleach

Let's be honest: AMERICAN HORROR STORY has always been a lame show and now Ryan Murphy is copycatting STRANGER THINGS.

Don't tell me this incarnation of AHS would have happened if it weren't for ST and the video game of FRIDAY THE 13th that hit a couple of years ago.

Murphy is the real vampire here. Someone so shallow and greedy that he has no time for writing or authoring truly original work or ensuring quality for any, one show. So you see him biting other people's work.

You see him renting material for GLEE from the musicians with the real talent who wrote the songs and earned the public's love. You see him adapting classic plays. You see him taking advantage of a true feud between classic, Hollywood divas who earned their popularity without him, in an industry that just LOVES stories about themselves and awards them. You see Murphy jumping on the STRANGER bandwagon.

A real namedropper/biter/parasite/hanger-on if you ask me. What's so great about his artwork or his lame writers?

He's one of those shallow gays who thinks he can be fabulous by proxy and I ain't down wit it.

There was nothing scary about AMERICAN HORROR STORY, ever, r24.

It's just typical Murphy melodrama.

So Murphy is finally throwing Matthew Morrison a bone.

[quote]There was nothing scary about AMERICAN HORROR STORY, ever,

Seasons 1 & 2 had their moments but it's been complete shit ever since. He went "camp" with Coven and never returned from it.

So we've gone from Jessica Lange to a tranny and a skier?

[quote]Emma Roberts can't act! She wouldn't be acting her aunt wasn't Julia Roberts!

Don't forget Billie Lourd.

Billie Lourd sucks big time.

R53 and it appears as though Morrison is 'throwing' his own right back.

Emma Roberts?

Sounds like Evan won’t be the only one sitting this season out ....

Can Murph ever not be s walking talking gay stereotype? I’ve said for years he has to do a monster for AHS but no he’s much too busy having people be catty to each other 💅🙄

Missed opportunity. Stupid fuck should have brought back the 80s satanic panic.

R60 That would have been a better idea.

There is a novel called My Best Friend's Exorcism which is set during the 80s satanic panic. It's been optioned for a film.

It'll just be a bunch of cliché horror tropes repeated ...until..

EVERYONE DIES!

[quote] Missed opportunity. Stupid fuck should have brought back the 80s satanic panic.

Apparently Murphy planned for the second season of Scream Queens to take place in a summer camp, but then all of a sudden The former Lost and Once Upon A Time creators announced their new show Dead of Summer. That show also featured 80s flashbacks and a satanic cult. Murphy had to scamble and shelved his summer camp idea and came up with the hospital theme for SC's season two.

That Dead of Summer show was a hard flop.

A bit OT, but I wish there would have been a sequel to that Taissa Farmiga movie The Final Girls. That was a good tribute type movie to 80s horror movies.

No, FINAL GIRLS was neither funny nor scary. It was trying to be both.

Thanks for informing me about the Dead of Summer series. It came out right when the makers of the Friday the 13th video game were doing their Kickstarter campaign and designing.

Coincidence that both Dead of Summer and the video game had a Stillwater Camp?

I wonder if Alexander Dreymon was cut form Murphy's stable because he stopped putting out.

Alexander Dreymon is the lead in The Last Kingdom which is in its fourth season.

Is that Finn WIttrock at 3:04?

r69, I believe that's Gus Kenworthy.

Leslie Grossman is probably playing the camp owner and I'm guessing Matthew Morrison's character will be her husband. She'll probably end up being the wife who turns a blind eye to her husband's perversions.

That DEAD OF SUMMER garbage was NOT scary. It was FRIDAY THE 13th 90210.

Total soap opera for young women. Just a typical CW-type soap that steals from everything from TWILIGHT to M. Night Shyamalan's THE VILLAGE, as if these were worthy of copying.

KILL IT WITH FIRE!

It's truly baffling that Roberts has managed to coast along with out having her abuse charge dragged into the light. That explains why she doesn't do many interviews.

R73 Didn't the abuse charge get dropped?

R73 R74 Wasn't Evan too scared to press charges, as Emma is a certifiably mental sack of shit?

I think annoying Emma will be the final girl.

R76 Aren't they generally the nice, virginal girl? Don't think Emma has 'nice' within her to play that

Glenn Close’s daughter is in the season.

Mamie would have been vastly superior.

Ryan Murphy is into hiring celeb spawn for his shows. When AHS Coven was airing someone here on DL called the show American Nepotism Story.

[quote] Don't tell me this incarnation of AHS would have happened if it weren't for ST and the video game of FRIDAY THE 13th that hit a couple of years ago. -- Murphy is the real vampire here. Someone so shallow and greedy that he has no time for writing or authoring truly original work or ensuring quality for any, one show. So you see him biting other people's work.

Oh please. There's nothing new about recycling ideas in Hollywood. The Stranger Things showrunners themselves were accused of stealing the very idea behind Stranger Things. Right before it went to trial this May the plaintiff withdrew the suit, since he was possibly paid off behind the scenes. One might just as easily say the Duffer brothers borrowed the idea of an 80s themed show from Bryan Singer's X-Men: Apocalypse which went into development in 2013. That would be just as silly as saying that AHS is using 80s because of Stranger Things. Not saying it isn't partly true, though, but let's be realistic about how everything from the past always reappears at some point. Strangers Things has been extremely successful in portraying the 80s but let's not forget AHS has done nostalgia quite well from the very first episode five years before Stranger Things was released. And I say all this as someone who is not exactly a fan of AHS.

BTW, who else besides you even knows a Friday the 13th video game came out a couple of years ago?

[quote]since he was possibly paid off behind the scenes

😂😂😂

R81, he apparently claimed he wasn't paid off, and many commenters at Deadline seemed to believe him.

[Quote] A bit OT, but I wish there would have been a sequel to that Taissa Farmiga movie The Final Girls. That was a good tribute type movie to 80s horror movies.

I was hoping for a sequel too 😕

Regarding The Final Girls. What impressed me most was the mother's arc and her dance scene at the end. Didn't expect that from a comedy horror slasher movie.

R75 For real. Granted, they were both high as fuck when the fight happened. I don't doubt for a second that Peters is avoiding AHS because Roberts has been such a bad influence on him. Her reputation is trash.

R84 I will say it was a bit of a stretch how the mother hadn't really aged in the opening scene.

Back to 1984...

Same location used for Roanoke.

Looks so bad. The last two seasons have been crap. It was so good for about the first 4 seasons. No Evan Peters this season. Not too sad about Sarah. My cousin was a makeup artist on there.I remember him telling me about how Emma Roberts beat the s*** out of Evan Peters. And when Sarah would come into the makeup trailer no one was allowed speak to her. She wanted complete silence. It's the end of the road for the show

Misstanya, which seasons did your cousin work on? And what did s/he mean by "beat the shit out of him"? Did anyone else in the AHS cast attempt to intervene?

I have also heard that Paulson has gotten a bit big for her britches. She used to be friendly with crew and now only has time for other actors. I think she's brilliant, and apparently she's very nice to fans, but what a shame.

It was the coven season. Evan looked really roughed up in the makeup chair. He told my cousin, he and Emma had got into a huge fight. Of course they didn't do anything she's Julia Roberts niece. And she continues to be on the show. my cousin doesn't work on there anymore he said the energy was getting really negative. Sarah is terrible. The cameramen are only allowed to shoot her from certain angles.

That's awful. I'm glad he's free of her.

I am too. He seems like a decent man. It really bummed me out because it used to be one of my favorite shows. But I guess that's what happens when people get to be big stars. They truly believe they can get away with anything they want. Typical Hollywood.

How are people still watching this shit?

It irks me because Emma Roberts isn't even a big star. She has no career without Murphy and her aunt.

Say what you will about later seasons, Peters was a tour de force in Cult.

R91 So Peters just plopped down in the makeup chair and told the makeup artist that his super famous girlfriend beat him up?

LOL. Good one. Roberts definitely beat the shit out of him, but there's no way he was telling people on set.

Paulson's time was over, anyway. I don't get the stanning for her. Asylum was her best work. Everything after that was just a watered down version of Lana Winters. Without strong actors this season is going to suck, but hopefully it will still be entertaining.

I am excited for this one. I do hope Gus dies early though.

R95

I like Cult because of his performance. He really was terrific. And i really can't imagine who is going to carry this season in terms of acting.

It was all over the press r96, it isn't like it was a secret.

It was all over the press r96, it isn't like it was a secret.

Make Naomi Grossman lead! Loved “Pepper” in Freakshow!!!!

Another season of a story line about a guy with a huge dong.

Yes! A huge donged-top terrorizing the bottoms of Manhattan would make a great AHS season.

r103 have you seen the promo - there is one guy with a huge dong in the promo - like the freakshow one where the guy had such a big dick thor wanted it on site.

AHS: Monster cock

Glad that Paulson is not the lead here. She’s been overexposed imho. let other unemployed actresses find work.

[Quote]Yes! A huge donged-top terrorizing the bottoms of Manhattan would make a great AHS season..

I've been wanting an AHS: Bathhouse season for forever, you get a monster killing people as a nice metaphor for the AIDS crisis. It writes itself.

Anyway. I'm down with some campy antics with Matthew Morrison having a huge cock.

Over/under on Gus secrelty cheating on Emma with Matt.

R84, I agree. The Final Girls was actually quite sweet and moving. I even cried during that Bette Davis Eyes scene. It was like a horror comedy Field of Dreams. Wasn't expecting that.

I'm sure Murphy wishes he could do something like that, but this'll just be an excuse to put boys in short shorts and tube socks and have girls wear wacky hairstyles and be sassy. Besides Asylum and moments of Freakshow, Murphy's always seemed too scared to actually venture into real horror territory.

I would expect this season to be especially campy, I mean as has been pointed out this was originally a Scream Queens concept that has been repurposed for AHS.

Wouldn't Evan and Emma be an either one or the other situation at this point? I would hope he has a lifetime restraining order on her.

Maybe I am the only one, but I am psyched about the season to start. Looks like Murphy got that 80s slasher fic style right visually. But it does look more Scream Queens (horror comedy) than American Horry Story (film & TV legendary divas love fest).

It definitely seems to have a lighter, more fun quality to it.

Because yes, gruesome serial murders were so much more fun in the '80s!

Everything was more fun in the 80s.

R107, maybe John Barrowman can star.

The only way Murphy would consider doing an AHS: Bathouse is when he could get Bette Midler to be the lead as the bathhouse's lounge singer. That is if Murphy is willing to work with someone like Midler and her "being difficult to work with" reputation on film sets.

If AHS does not honor this classic, we riot!

Suspects it draws from the Ramirez "Night Stalker" murders (and those were some real life violent/cruel fucked-up stuff).

The divine Jessica Lange was nominated for another Emmy: Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series for "American Horror Story: Apocalypse".

Constance Langdon forever!

Her episode of "Apocalypse" was my favorite.

I loved when Emma Roberts and Billy Porter went to the Murder House. Was amazing to catch up with everyone there.

All of those Roberts are mean, insufferable hot heads. It's in their DNA.

it was funny to see Billy Porter's face when Emma told the realtor they couldn't wait to make babies in Murder House

[quote]The only way Murphy would consider doing an AHS: Bathouse is when he could get Bette Midler to be the lead as the bathhouse's lounge singer. That is if Murphy is willing to work with someone like Midler and her "being difficult to work with" reputation on film sets.

He's already worked with her.

I wonder if Murphy changed AHS ' Emmy category to drama so that Jessica Lange could be nominated. She wouldn't have had enough screen time for a limited series supporting nom.

[quote]I wonder if Murphy changed AHS ' Emmy category to drama so that Jessica Lange could be nominated.

It's not a conspiracy, R125. And it wasn't Murphy's choice. A simple google search would have cleared that up.

[quote]American Horror Story‘s crossover-crazed eighth season has been rendered ineligible to compete in Emmy’s 2019 Limited Series race.

[quote]The Television Academy announced on Tuesday that because AHS: Apocalypse contained “continuing story threads, characters and actors reprising those same character roles from previous seasons” — specifically the Murder House, Coven and Hotel installments — it is being “re-categorized” from the Limited Series category to Drama Series.

I love the vibe.

R127 I agree. Love it.

R127 I agree. Love it.

AHS teasers are always the best thing about AHS. If only the season itself could be like Murphy's lookbook.

What ruins AHS are the high expectations. With a guy like Gus Kenworthy you can't expect 100% Emmy entertainment. If you can't let go and enjoy the bumpy, campy ride you will feel anger and frustration, because you over-analize things and feel the need to compare every single detail with real life or previous AHS seasons. And then it becomes hate-watching and sharing that hate on social media including DataLounge.

I think Gus's character will be the dumb jock and not many people will care about his acting. I bet his character dies a few episodes in.

Ryan Murphy has wanted to do a "Friday, the 13th" camp theme for awhile now. It was rumored to be the theme for the 2nd season of Scream Queens, but they scrapped it when MTV came out with a Friday the 13th series around the same time.

Murphy really needs to redo [italic]The Creature from the Black Lagoon[/italic] -- except instead of having a hard-on for Julie Adams or some other pointy-titted cupcake, he is a homosexual creature, attracted to human males, and carries off some twink, his huge spiked penis jutting out in anticipation of getting the twink back to the cave ....

R131, agreed; I feel the trailers do their job of hyping up the series to come, then by episode 5, we're usually slacking off on watching due to the (lack of) quality, actors phoning it in, etc.

Perhaps I speak for myself, but I suffer through the whole series simply because I want it to end.

You have to love the creativity of the FX marketing department. This is clever.

What's really enjoyable about AHS isn't the actual episodes, it's the build up. The teasers are always full of easter eggs and clues. The fun is matching up the clues in the teasers with the actual episodes. The cast announcement trailer has people speculating that the show revolves around a Friday the 13th style movie being filmed.

Things from the cast announcement that stick out:

Why is Leslie Grossman first seen in a counselor uniform then a nightgown with her hair in pig tails? What is Deron Horton looking for in that one clip where he's searching all his pockets? Why are all the characters walking to the pink tape on the floor used for blocking on sets?

Cannot stand slasher films, even parodies.

Oh, how I wish Betsy Palmer were still alive to do this.

The Duffer Brothers were the FIRST to revive '80s-era Stephen King/Spielberg and start the whole trend.

Murphy is just hopping on the Stranger Bandwagon now, knocking off their show.

And at least the Duffer Brothers are authors who write their own, coherent material that compel audiences and critics. At least they focus on one show and invest quality in its stories. Murphy's writers-for-hire are just cheap copycats that nobody loves. Just look at the difference in success of the shows.

Almost nobody loves AHS.

THE FINAL GIRLS was neither funny nor scary. Blecchh!

I'm going to hate-watch. I know AHS staff don't have the talent to make a slasher or a parody work. I bailed on this show after the first 3 episodes because it was so lame and uninteresting.

But I am interested to see how good Gus is. I would pay just to watch him in anything.

I stopped watching AHS did they show the giant dong or was the dong monster just implied?

[quote]I think Gus's character will be the dumb jock and not many people will care about his acting. I bet his character dies a few episodes in.

One can only hope!

Is it a movie crew filming a slasher flick that are actually prey to a "Night Stalker" type killer?

Or has that been done to...death?

They already did the "film crew become prey" thing on Roanoke.

And on I SURVIVED A ZOMBIE HOLOCAUST ...

... and in George Romero's DIARY OF THE DEAD ...

... and Season 3, Episode 39 of the original SWAMP THING TV show ...

Murder on a movie set has been done plenty of times and that's okay. It's all about what you do with it.

Unfortunately, AHS doesn't do anything cool.

r146 here. My point was that AHS has already done it before, on the Roanoke season.

Roanoke had a Blair Witch vibe to it. 1984 is going to have a Friday the 13th/Nightmare on Elm Street vibe. It's clearly going to play on horror movie tropes and stereotypes. That's going to be so much more fun than Roanoke. I'm all in.

Someone posted on Facebook that the Liz Taylor character from Hotel left his family and started transitioning in 1984. Makes me wonder if a pre-transition Liz will appear this season.

Liz Taylor died and is a ghost now...GaGa slit her throat

Sorry...wasnt thinking 84 for some reason^^^^

I think Sarah Paulson will probably as Lana Winters doing interviews with the survivors in the aftermath of the camp murders.

Lana's son Johnny could be tied in somehow with this season. He would be 21 or 22 in 1984 and maybe he hangs around the camp and knows the killer.

[quote]Why is Leslie Grossman first seen in a counselor uniform then a nightgown with her hair in pig tails?

I think Leslie's character will be a mentally ill person with multiple personalities and she'll be used as a red herring.

What Ruins AHS is Murphy's writing - he always starts off brilliant and puts out 10-20 storyline threads and either ties them all up in the last one or two episodes or just forgets about them. Literally describes every Murphy show.

My apologies, r151. I didn’t know what Roanoke was because I stopped following AHS after the third, boring episode.

Except I did return to watch Matthew Bomer die in a circus or something.

Cuties like Matthew and Gus get my loyalty even if they’re in garbage.

New trailer!

The flattest killer.

[quote]I didn’t know what Roanoke was because I stopped following AHS after the third, boring episode.

Roanoke was probably the best season they had since S2. It was also the season Ryan Murphy decided there would be zero spoilers or promo which hurt it tremendously. He didn't even want people to know who the cast would be until it aired. He tossed that right out the window the following season.

The show starting out as one of those "Haunted" reenactment shows was brilliant if you've seen them before. They nailed it. Then having the cast of the "reenactment" and the original characters they were playing both come together for the second half of the season was a nice twist.

It was the last time Lady Gaga appeared on the show. Matt Bomer did an uncredited voice over in one of the final episodes of that season and he never came back. Wes Bentley popped up for the last time. Same with Dennis O'Hare & Finn Wittrock. Angela Bassett wasn't planning on coming back again after that season but they nabbed her for a last minute cameo in one of the final episodes of Apocalypse since people were complaining that she wasn't there.

It was the swan song for many of the actors from before.

Who's the male model in the teaser? The one who's going to be attacked?

Happy with the song choice.

Was the Roanoke season nominated for anything?

This one actually looks pretty good.

[quote]It was the last time Lady Gaga appeared on the show.

I knew I liked Roanoke for some reason.

"Suddenly Last Summer" - The Motels

I love the song they're using in the new trailers. It was a Top-10 hit for the band The Motels. It peaked at #9 on the Billboard Hot 100 in November 1983.

[quote] Was the Roanoke season nominated for anything?

Elimination.

Betsy Palmer will make an appearance somehow. Just wait and see.

Maybe that'll be a Kathy Bates cameo, R170.

The first poster is out.

another teaser

The official trailer is out. Total camp, if you'll pardon the expression.

Good to know Don Swayze is still getting acting jobs.

I'm actually loving Emma R. as a brunette. Her as Chanel from Scream Queens is one of my fave Murphy characters.

Looks like she plays the innocent girl and not the bitch this time. That would explain the rumored subplot of her having a boyfriend that she doesn't know is gay - she's too inexperienced to realize it.

Reassessed to Comment 60!!!

Forgive me, I am new. Please don't roast me too badly!! ;-)

R177 I saw some article on E! that Gus is playing her boyfriend. I predict he uses her as a beard and then she finds him fucking another guy at the camp.

R179, the rumor is that Gus's character fucks Cody's character.

This looks awful. I guess we're getting another Cody Fern as adrogynous is he/isn't he gay character.

It looks like Murphy knew the cast wasn't strong enough to handle anything serious so he had them write fluff to accommodate the weak cast.

Looks promising. Can't wait to see how he fucks it up.

This is a retooled Scream Queens season r182, it was always meant to be this way.

Roanoake started out okay but it ended like every Murphy show. They tied up season-long storylines in 20 seconds. The whole ghost kid story was stupid. The cannibal neighbors..that was a what the fuck moment.

The cannibal neighbors were an excuse to give a role to Finn Wittrock and Frances Conroy.

Extended trailer has dropped, and I'm smelling a dropped pie faced loser.

The fashions are too over-the-top. Nobody dressed like Cody Fern in the '80s unless they were an actual pop musician.

Ditto for Billie Lourd's character. I realize Samantha Fox and Ah-Ha were icons at this time. But ordinary camp counselors didn't dress like them.

G.L.O.W. and STRANGER THINGS do the '80s period and nostalgia better.

1984/1985 was when the 80's was just starting to come into its own. For most of the first part of decade, a lot of the fashions and hairstyles still looked really 70s. Just look at some of those early 80's slasher movies.

I wasn't big on Scream Queens, so I'm a little concentred that Murphy is going to try and recreate that vibe, which would be awful. It had a few amusing lines of dialogue here and there, but it got old quickly.

It does make sense for AHS to cover the summer camp slasher horror movie genre.

3 weeks away!

This looks awful.

It really does look bad. I truly wish Murphy would stop trying to make Billie Lourd happen.

Is that Adina Howard in the new trailer?

It's Angelica Ross from POSE.

[quote] I truly wish Murphy would stop trying to make Billie Lourd happen.

And Sarah Paulson for godsake. Emma Roberts too. I’d be happy to never see their faces ever again.

Loude has some great talent as a comedienne. She was hysterical in Booksmart this summer, but I'm not sure if using her in a horror series is the best use of her talents unless she's playing the comic relief. Roberts is the same. She only comes to life when playing vapid bitches. When they try to make her the good girl next door, she doesn't register on screen.

Sarah Paulson actually has legitimate talent, though, but she and Ryan do need to take a little tiny break from each other. It's getting a little insane. Even Jessica Lange stepped away for a bit.

Paulson seems like she'd be exhausting to be around.

SUDDENLY LAST SUMMER

The Motels were so underrated.

What drugs did Evan and Emma do?

The first season of Scream Queens was so underrated. I think it was ahead of its time, much like Square Pegs in the '80s. Viewers were expecting something scarier like AHS and the campy humor flew over their millennial heads.

It will be like every other Murphy show - first 3 eps will be good then it will go off on tangents then wrap everything up in one episode finale and you will wonder why you watched this shit.

r202 s1 was good, season 2 was absolute dog shit.

MyrtleSnow, I know it. I loved the Motels!!!

Who is playing Mr. Jingles?

John Caroll Lynch, R206.

A slasher season has the potential to have both the camp of Coven and the true horror of Asylum. Maybe something will come of that. Probably not.

If Emma Roberts really plays a nice character the discussion will be taken over by angry viewers who can't take Emma seriously as nice.

A bit more story revelation in this trailer.

1) A killer named "Mr. Jingles" is about as scary as Count Chocula.

2) The whole "driving a van up the canyon only to find some vagrant in the middle of the road" thing happened in FRIDAY THE 13th PART 3, when Kris Higgins and friends nearly run over crazy Abel and his 3-D eyeball.

This show is going to show how easy it is to paint by numbers; just copy what other artists already did.

Suddenly, last summer, Sebastian said to me...

I hope they give Emma a scene like this when she discovers the first body.

Kris Higgins? Oh dear

You don't like your classic Final Girls, r216? I love them and you can play through Chris' cabin in the new Friday the 13th video game.

WTF do you think I was oh dearing R217? It's Chris, not Kris. See R211.

Well, that misspelling is nothing to "Oh, dear" about, dear.

Too bad Logan Paul won't be in it. Plenty of people who love to watch him get his ass kicked.

R220 Or fucked

R220 = that dropped pie face loser Logan.

R222 Swing and a miss. Logan could play a AHS version of himself, with Gus as a 'fame sucker', a creature of the night with an unquenchable thirst for fame and attention. Gus' deadly embrace would turn Logan into a Has-Been, an undead creature who's only supernatural power is that they don't show up on TV or film and can't get arrested in any town.

Premiers tonight.

Normally I'm excited for AHS but not feeling it this year.

I’m the opposite of r224. Can’t wait to see how bad it is.

It will be amusing to see how fast Gus 1) Gets naked and 2) gets killed.

Who you think possibly gets naked tonight? According to the trailer there is a shower scene. Its definitely Cody or Gus.

Hopefully Cody.

I wonder if every young male actor that signs onto a Murphy show just expects to be asked to do nudity.

Are we chat viewing AHS?

Murphy is so unoriginal. He clearly wouldn't be doing this show, this way without the Retrowave/Outrun music scene that started 9 yearsago, the retro video artists that Lady Gaga ripped off and KUNG FURY.

Murphy can only copy, name-drop and jump on bandwagons. It's cloying.

Murphy's shows feel like the Glee club or Drama Class geeks farting around.

And naming a character "Xavier" is TOO gay and fake.

Santa Monica College? Isn’t that a community college, who would move to LA to go to community college?

"Have you ever seen a bod like this?!"

Porn-level fake.

Gus is hot AF. But his acting is a little blank.

F.Y.I., nobody fist-bumped in the '80s.

Some guys would "soul slap."

Music is good so far.

“The lake is bottomless” and so is Ken Gusworthy.

Re-opening a summer camp deserted because of a prior atrocity but before the kiddies arrive?

NO, THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY LIFTED FROM 'FRIDAY THE 13TH' AT ALL!

If you're going to steal like this, shouldn't you add something really original, like comedy or aliens or something?

This thread is dead. AHS is ovah!

Here's the orignal "Gather the counselor around the fire and freak them out with the prior atrocity story" from FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 2.

Don't you think FRIDAY wore it better? Spookier.

How come 8 girls didn't run away when Mr. Jingles slaughtered the first one?

R239 Most horror is camp to begin with.As for aliens, Murphy did that in Asylum give him some time yet.

Who is the poor woman's Angela Bassett?

Transgender actress Angelica Ross r244.

I hate all these characters.

I thought she was the rich woman's Adina Porter.

If these kids are listening to Hall & Oats, they deserve to be killed.

The show got so much more interesting with Matthew Morrison’s presence

"That thing was flopping around like a baby elephant's trunk!"

Porn-level bad. Matthew Morrison does look hot. But why shouldn't we just watch real porn or the real FRIDAY THE 13th? AHS is not doing either the best.

I see we've moved on from Friday the 13th to Halloween.

This season is paying homage to 80s slashers. This has been said many times and it’s obvious. Idk why you all are acting like this is shocking

This is episode 1....you all know damn well that something else is going to go on....this plotline cant last the entire season by itself.

The O'l Frightening Herring Turns Out to be the Cat, trick, eh?

Most horror flicks at least bother to change the animal.

True, R252. Somewhere around episode 3 or 4 the plot will switch. I wonder what the crossover or reference to other seasons be this year. Is JCL Twist the Clown from S2 escaping the nuthouse? Was Twisty killed? Who the fuck can remember.

Postmodern reflexive Gus reference to the Olympics.

R254 Twisty was season 4. Not 2.

Gus is a terrible actor. Stick to sports

Emma Roberts acting is just as bad. She can only play a bitch

You bitches don't like anything. It's a good show. A positive show.

That was effectively creepy, using the payphone to draw a victim outside alone.

The raincoat reveal looks designed to make us think that the blonde, Christian fundie lady is the killer, á la Pamela Voorhees. But that's just too obvious, isn't it?

I hate to ask, but how many episodes is this season?

I'll stick with the show for Gus Kenworthy and the genre. But I think a lot of it will be hate-watching!

Gus is terrible. If he’s why you’re watching...

You guys who keep bashing this are forgetting something - Billy Porter isn't in it this season! That alone is worth tuning in.

meh... not scary

[quote]effectively creepy, using the payphone to draw a victim outside alone.

No it was stupid and made no sense. Why would the character give a shit who was calling to the extent that she’d go out in the middle of the night in the rain to answer the phone?

Fuck the writing, has there been any nudity yet? Who shows ass?

A brief showing of Morrison butt

Huh, thought Cody or Gus would be the first to drop trou.

R269 Finally, Morrison butt! I've been waiting to see that ass since Glee!

[quote]I wonder if every young male actor that signs onto a Murphy show just expects to be asked to do nudity.

Murphy has claimed that no one has to if they don't want to but so far no one has said that they weren't up for it.

Matthew Morrison as a pussy hound...not THERE is some acting!

I saw on interview of Matt that I think was on Conan where he not so subtlety aluded to being a player when he was younger and bragged that a made out with a girl in grade school.

Thats probably the only time hes made out with a girl.

R263 What role would he play? An old queen who taught breakdancing and was called Mr Dingles....

Anyone here got a photo of Mr. Schue’s bum?

Please stop trying to make Billie Lourd happen.

Please stop trying to make Billie Lourd happen.

It was a really quick shot r277 and from a distance. I'm surprised Morrison didn't show it off more. He looks really sexy in this and I'm not even that into him.

Better than nothing I guess

I’m going to rewatch the Gus stipping scene and jerk off.

we better see Kenworthys fat ass bc she cant act her way out of a wet paper bag and looks really ugly without facial hair. Also Matthew Morrison looks like Paul Ryan and that's not a compliment.

AHS has already sacrificed being actually scary, being original, and being well written. The only thing it has left is its bottomless fountain of male nudity. If it loses that too you can catch me leading the charge of trying to get AHS cancelled.

Morrison's bulge made no sense. It looked like he was wearing a cup, but exaggerated.

It really is a shell of the quality show it used to be. The writing is cringy. But maybe that's the point, considering it's a tribute to 80s slasher films which were rarely masterpieces.

Ugh. Total copycat season of 80's horror movies.

Why didn't they just stitch together parts of Halloween and Friday the 13th, dub in some random 80's music, and call it "AHS 1984."

Same thing.

Most unoriginal season of AHS ever.

Fucking hell, Emma Roberts is an anorexic mess.

The dark hair and weird styling make her look even worse than usual.

Maybe they wanted her to be a version of Karen Carpenter, to keep with the 80's theme.

Unless Murphy decides to make a scene starring Kenworthy and Morrison paying homage to this, I won’t be watching.

Nothing gets by you, r239!

80s slashers were low budget, horribly acted and had fantastic, synth driven soundtracks. So far, the show is hitting it out of the park.

I agree they've got the look and the dialogue down perfectly, but I'm not sure why. It's not like those 80s slasher films were wonderful (they weren;t--they were almost all terrible), or that this replicating their style serves much of a purpose.

Gus Kenworthy has the perfect face for the era--the Neanderthal brow in particular.

They do keep getting little things wrong. "Miami Vice" did not start airing until September 1984, but the show takes place in early summer 1984, so there's almost no chance Xavier would be wearing pastel blazers with the sleeves rolled up over a pastel tee shirt before then.

I'm surprised by how likeable Emma Roberts is as a virgin. She's so unpleasant when she plays the bitch most of the time for Ryan Murphy.

I can't tell if Matthew Morrison hit a wall or if it's just the terrible rug and fake mustache that make him look so terrible.

I'm sure that was a stunt butt, btw.

It's pretty funny the DeRon Howard character is doing coke in nearly every scene.

I don;t remember men in 1984 having van dykes (aka goatees) like the gas station guy did, either.

If someone isn't at least fondling Gus' ass, he's completely wasted in this show.

Gus can't act for shit.

The AHS hacks seem to think that supporting the actors with an awesome 80's cache of music, will somehow improve the shit writing and acting.

Classic distraction technique. "Let's WOW them with the music, and maybe they'll forget about all of the inconsistencies in our 80's period piece, the horrible acting, and the CRAP writing! At least we've got good music!"

Fucking twats.

Why did FX give this horrible show NINE seasons, but it gave "The Strain" (which was a far superior horror genre show) only four seasons?

That makes no fucking sense.

The people who make this show are just PHONING IT IN at this point, and collecting a paycheck.

There is nothing worse than prolonging a show, that is WAY past its expiration date.

I enjoyed the first episode. I don't know what all of you are complaining about. Why don't you tune in to Chicago Fire, Chicago PD or Chicago Med if you want something more "original"?

Looks like Mr. Jingles is going to take out Richard Ramirez.

I enjoyed the episode but I wish they were taking it more seriously. You can have fun with the slasher tropes, but they are leaning to close to parody. It's unfortunately more like "Scream Queens" then "Harper's Island".

The asylum escape was also an homage to Halloween. By the way the acting is so atrocious the twist has to be this is a movie they are shooting and not happening in real time (even if the series is set in 1984).

Even the night stalker's acting was laugh out loud bad.

My guess is that the Leslie Grossman character is either the killer, or in cahoots with the killer.

**SO obvious**

This is the weakest cast in all seasons of AHS.

I miss all the old timers.

If the producers are giving out hints for plot teists, wouldn’t the most twist-y thing be that there is no such twist this season? The guy run over and the fundie camp founder are both ghosts who never survived the attack. This is just a straight up ghost story with gore.

OTOH if there is a twist, I think movie set might be a good one as the cast were styled way too stock character cheesy for real life 80s. The only movie recently that really got the 80s style down was Bumblebee (yes, that Transformers reboot) and the movie was surprisingly good. But judging from last night’s episode AHS producers are going strictly for cheesy 80s instead of authenticity.

That was indeed a stunt butt. Why MM is so ass shy? Gus simply can not act

I didn't think Gus was that bad, amazingly. The story execution so far, however, is a train wreck. I'm not holding my breath for anything groundbreaking or overly satisfying but will watch anyway I guess. I like campiness as much as the next queen, but I wish AHS would/could deliver true scares like the first couple of seasons.

Scream Queens was terrible, but this isn't that bad yet. Emma can't do non-bitchy characters. At all.

Gus...no.

Morrison is a horrible actor...

Sounds like the show is turfing out, and not enough eye-candy to compensate...

That was one of the worst AHS episodes I have ever seen and definitely the worst AHS season opener. No tension and no interesting camerawork. Look at "The Cabin in the Woods" on how to do an effective foreshadowing at the gas station that makes your skin crawl. If you're going to parody '80s slashers, either really lean into it, or add an extra layer of commentary. Simply remaking it - and really badly, at that - holds no interest for me.

Gus can't act and he looks like a chimp with that wig.

Cody Fern, Emma Roberts and Billie Lourd must be happy. Sharing scenes with Gus Kenworthy really makes them look more talented than they are. But he is nice eye candy and that is really all he needs to be.

Though I do appreciate that Roberts and Lourd are playing against type. I was sick of that monotone line delivered from Lourd. Though writers, obsessively masturbating to the bulge of a background dancer is definitely a gay guy thing rather than a girl thing.

This episode was just fluff, popcorn entertainment. I am okay with that. Curious where the season is going to go, there obviously has to be some big "twists" plotwise to fill a whole season.

I think Billie Lourd always being monotone worked in Scream Queens, and it was fine for Cult and I think it works with this character.

R298 Strain was only going to be 3-5 seasons to begin with. Producer Carlton Cuse wanted to mimic the trilogy of books in some way. Anything over 5 seasons would have been too much.

Haven’t watched yet -are there any gay characters?

[Quote]Scream Queens was terrible

The characters of Denise and Chad were hilarious and went a long way in carrying that show.

I appreciated that Scream Queens knew what it was trying to be and sometimes it successfully delivered on that. Sometimes it didn't.

I’m pretty sure Cody Ferns character is supposed to be gay and I think it’s fan fiction that everyone not female is hanging around him with zero issue in 1984. Emma Roberts small town virgin character also.

I thought Lourd was effective here r312, I was complimenting her for playing against type. Insctually thoughr her deliveries where pretty dynamic and clearly trying to show she can do more than the schtick she is known for.

R314 Billie seems to be playing a bisexual. Juries out on the guys. I think one or 2 will be closeted gays.

I think Fern's character is likely going to be a closeted gay guy r316, but he is not openly gay in terms of the show.

R111 AHS has always been high camp. Sometimes intentionally and most times not......

There has to be a twist. All those counselors are gonna be dead by episode 2.

R321 most of the actors are still filming currently.

Think about it...the guy that was hit with the van was a victim of Mr. Jingles...or was he ?....Mr. Jingles didnt break out of the asylum until AFTER the accident.

If you ever watched AHS before, you know that a big twist is coming...AHS NEVER plays it safe or that straight forward. Its also only ep 1.....so there is plenty of time to veer in another direction.

Think about it...the guy that was hit with the van was a victim of Mr. Jingles...or was he ?....Mr. Jingles didnt break out of the asylum until AFTER the accident.

If you ever watched AHS before, you know that a big twist is coming...AHS NEVER plays it safe or that straight forward. Its also only ep 1.....so there is plenty of time to veer in another direction.

The reason Morrison’s characters big cock looks weird is because all the other prosthetics used to make it super visible were denied by censors so they had to use whatever they’re using now, where the crotch looks crowded but there’s no VPL.

If it is what was used in the promo, I am having a hard time thinking of more graphic alternatives.

My theory is - The hiker was another survivor, he came to find out for himself they re-opened the camp. His wounds were fresh so who ever did it to him could not have been Mr. Jingles. I am guessing Leslie Grossman or the cook. My guess is Mr. JIngles is not the killer, he got framed. The cook is the killer and Leslie is her daughter, she cut off her daughter's ear to frame Mr. Jingles.

r327 correction - the Hiker is just a hiker, he got attacked and left for dead. Escaped only to get hit by the crew and brought back to the camp. Leslie and mom kill him, Mr. Jingles escapes to get his revenge when he sees Leslie has re-opened the camp.

[Quote]Mr. JIngles is not the killer, he got framed.

Well we know he is a killer, he murdered what, three people this episode?

R321 But the guy who was hit by the van had old blood AND he was dressed like a hippie from 1970, the year that the massacre took place. He also seemed to suffer some kind of memory lapse, as evidenced by his being reminded that he had lost a year from being killed. Then when Emma Roberts sees him dead and strung on the wall, it sort of reminds of her being caught up in a time warp, like she saw how he was killed back in 1970. Also, are we sure the fundie camp lady is alive? She may be a ghost and her vision of remaining calm while Mr. Jingles cut her ear off was something else other than religious experience.

Most of the cast got together to watch the premiere last night.

The bulge from the promo and the bulge from this ep look different r326.

In the promo Morrison sports a very clearly defined big VPL. In the episode it is more of just an undefined bulge in his pants, not a VPL.

Meant to say "lost a ear" from being killed earlier

Some people on the thread are taking the show too seriously. As Gus Kenworthy emphasized in the video above - "It's a comedy."

A lot of vapidity in that vid...

r329 yeah but he might have went insane being framed. I still say Mr.Jingles is a red herring. We never saw his face in the opening killings.

[quote] As Gus Kenworthy emphasized in the video above - "It's a comedy."

Then it should be called "American Comedy Story." And it should be funnier.

[quote] effectively creepy, using the payphone to draw a victim outside alone.... No it was stupid and made no sense. Why would the character give a shit who was calling to the extent that she’d go out in the middle of the night in the rain to answer the phone?

Dude, have you EVER seen an 80's slasher movie? Instead of Roberts character after being attacked saying, 'fuck this" and jumping in the van, she did exactly what a character would do. The show is a homage to them.

My thought on a possible twist was that, due to the focus on Morrison's prodigious appendage, it might be the flip side of the one in "Sleepaway Camp".

But they could never get away with that in this day and age, could they?

Some of you people need to brush up on your slasher flicks. They're pulling on every available trope, and having fun with it. Feels like there's a sort of determination among some to hate this season. To me, it feels fresher than previous seasons. I'm enjoying it.

Someone mentioned on Facebook that Hawthorne Hospital (where Nurse Rita came from) might be connected to the Hawthorne School for baby warlocks. AHS doesn't name things randomly, so it's an interesting theory.

It would be funny if it was a group of slashers who all don't know each other are slashers. The nurse is the trans actress from Pose so could be the Sleepaway Camp angle, the Cook could be the mom from Friday the 13th,..I still think Grossman's character had something to do with it and JIngels is not THE killer, just a killer. He filles the Mike Myers Halloween role

The show's just painting by numbers, r291.

FRIDAY THE 13th opened with an evil murder flashback from a prior generation. The first three also had the Old Timer who warns the victims away from the haunted location, which became a meme in horror flicks.

I noticed that too, R343. I think this season of AHS is a fun homage.

They aren't playing it parody nearly enough, r301!

I would rather see all these horror tropes sent up and be laughing on purpose. But even that's been done a million times before.

r304, you need to see STRANGER THINGS and G.L.O.W.

They both do '80s period more accurately and naturally. It's not campy like A.H.S.

Yes, Michael Myers even released the other inmates in the asylum when he escaped, too.

It also bears mentioning.

r330, I like your theory that hitchhiker kid is a ghost.

But F.Y.I., lots of hippies were still hanging around, dressing like that in the '80s. In fact, the "Van full of slasher victims almost runs over a vagrant in the middle of the canyon road" incident originally happened in FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 3. And that movie featured a hippie character named Chuck, who was a cheap ripoff of Tommy Chong, who was still making hippie stoner movies in the '80s with Cheech & Chong.

Dear r342,

Mike Meyers was in WAYNE'S WORLD. Nobody is on a short-name basis with their buddy The Shape.

“Shawn and Camila but make it 80s”

So I watched the first three seasons of American Horror Story. Ultimately I thought they descended in quality as they went along, but I did love the first season, enjoyed a significant portion of the second, and thought the third was campy, but ultimately alright. I haven't seen a single season since because I could feel the drop off in quality.

Is 1984 worth watching? The 80s slasher aesthetic does intrigue me, but... I don't know... would you say it's worth watching? Thanks!

If you enjoy the slasher genre, you will enjoy this season. You don't have to watch other seasons of AHS to enjoy it. They're doing a fresh take on the series this season.

[quote]you need to see STRANGER THINGS and G.L.O.W. They both do '80s period more accurately and naturally. It's not campy like A.H.S.

No interest in G.L.O.W but please, ST dives into camp on various occasions.

That NeverEnding Story scene was... Jesus Christ was that indulgent, especially since it happens smack dab in the middle of the tension-filled climax and the joke lasts for way too long. That Dustin actor's a legitimate singer though, so perhaps they wanted to finally showcase that skill, but the cost might've been too great methinks.

[quote] Dude, have you EVER seen an 80's slasher movie? The show is a homage to them.

No, I’ve never seen an 80s slasher movie. Maybe that’s why I found this episode to be so boring. If the only people who can appreciate this season of AHS are people who have seen 80s slasher movies, that’s a pretty small group.

Slasher flicks have huge cult followings, R356. Last night's premiere had one of the largest audiences for an AHS episode - over 2 million people tuned in, and that's just in the U.S.

[quote]I don;t remember men in 1984 having van dykes (aka goatees) like the gas station guy did, either.

Wow, good call, over a hundred million guys in the US in the 80's and you're right, not one had a van dyke (aka goatee)!

[quote]That was indeed a stunt butt. Why MM is so ass shy? Gus simply can not act

How do you know? And don't say because you can't see his face, it's a back shot. He doesn't seem particularity shy.

[quote]If the only people who can appreciate this season of AHS are people who have seen 80s slasher movies, that’s a pretty small group.

80s slasher films like Halloween, Friday the 13th and A Nightmare On Elm Street aren't niche films... they're huge. So huge that they spawned post modern takes on the genre like Scream. It's no surprise that American Horror Story's attempting to take on the genre.

"The premiere episode of AHS: 1984 follows slasher conventions to a tee, though I expect the writers will use the remaining nine episodes to subvert at least some of them."

Why wouldn't ahs do a slasher season? That is such a known and popular horror genre. I'm surprised it didnt happen till season 9.

The characters don’t wear things that everyday people wouldn’t wear, r354.

Except when the G.L.O.W. Wrestlers are in costume, which they have to be.

It's a shame that people can't tell the difference between "homage" and "plagiarism" these days.

Don't be a hater, dear.

[quote] Some of you people need to brush up on your slasher flicks.

I think not. I have no desire to revisit the genre--they're just not good.

Slashers are fun for an hour and a half movie but stretched out to 10 episodes they are really gonna have to do something new or different with the genre, like bring in a different sub plot.

R365, why are you here?

I just saw it and liking it so far. i'll keep watching.

If I watch this show it'll primarily be for the short shorts... I'll download the first episode...

[quote] I f the only people who can appreciate this season of AHS are people who have seen 80s slasher movies, that’s a pretty small group.

Too bad nobody has seen Friday the 13th, Friday the 13th Part 2, Friday the 13th 3D, Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter, Friday the 13th: A New Beginning , Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives, Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood, Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan, Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday, Jason X, Freddy vs. Jason, & Friday the 13ththe remake.

Now lets do A Nightmare on Elm Street.....

Apparently Cody Fern is dating a woman now. I didn't realize he was mostly straight.

It's not scary at all.

Slasher films were cheap to make and made money. The original Friday the 13th had no hockey mask or 9 foot tall Jason. It was his mother killing all the camp counselors. It was only the ending where decomposing Jason jumped out of the water that it moved into the supernatural.

Cut the shit, R371. Eric Smith can clearly be seen on the couch in the Instagram video posted earlier.

[quote]Apparently Cody Fern is dating a woman now. I didn't realize he was mostly straight.

Is this her?

I couldn't stop thinking about this during the aerobics class scene.

Cody is dating a younger british actress.

Receipts, R376. Even if he was dating a woman, we know he likes older women.

He was just seen sitting with apparent boyfriend on a live stream. So they broke up?

The verdict is IN!

[quote] 'American Horror Story: 1984' Labeled 'Snoozefest' After Season Premiere

The "American Horror Story" fandom has spoken and its not into "1984."

During the season 9 premiere of "AHS: 1984" on Wednesday, fans wasted no time slamming the slasher-themed show.

"AHS" has a huge cult-like following, so Ryan Murphy might want to listen up to what fans are saying on Twitter.

Many of them were unimpressed with last night's first episode.

"First episode of #AHS84 was a bit of a snoozefest for me tbh. Dragging out the same old horror tropes and cliches isn't going to keep me interested," one person wrote.

The show is supposed to pay homage to cheaply made horror movies like "Halloween" and "Friday the 13th" from the decade, but that might not be enough to keep viewers invested.

"#AHS84 was so bad it has to be on purpose??? pls tell me this is all joke," a twitter user wrote.

But not everyone's giving up hope.

"Thoughts about #AHS84 : so far, some things are a little cheesy (which I get is the point) and not my fav season but I also said that about Roanoke and I ate my words real quick," stated another. "I will say, I can no longer watch that show by myself in an empty house pls help."

It's not just the theme that has fans saying "ugh," but some are critiquing newcomer Gus Kenworthy as well.

Fans unleashed on Olympic skier after he made his series debut as Chet Clancy.

"Is anyone really suprised at how terrible at acting Gus Kentworthy was? I mean even in his sport interviews he's dull. Like watching paint dry," a hater wrote.

"I feel like I’m watching a bad gay porn. Gus Knworthy is a horrible actor," someone else chimed in.

Hahahahah Cody was pandering, the tricky slut, he will be another Nico and be gender queer bisexual, whilst married to a woman. He still cannot act.

I gave up on AHS after Season 2. Would watch the pilots of the rest, and they never grabbed me. Actually will keep watching after last night, just because it was so directionless, it was played so straight and just followed all the genre rules, and the actors felt cheap. But will watch again.

This is my fav slash and stalk film, which is seldom talked about. Spoilers, the killer was the nerd who spent the entire film in drag, CAMP

Cody and the ex remain close friends, they may even live together, but the girlfriend often stays there when she is on this coast.

Receipts or GTFO, R382.

The black guy is kind of a young Dennis Haysbert.

R376 and cue the Yvonne troll. No, really cue him. I kind of miss him.

Nightmares or hallucinations are NATURAL, r373.

And that's all Boy Jason was in the original FRIDAY THE 13TH. Alice imagined him after hearing the story of Jason and suffering all the trauma caused by his mother.

The real Jason appears to Alice in Part 2 as his fully adult self.

How does this show keep getting renewed, when the reviews are so horrible and the ratings are in the toilet?

Is FX that desperate?

The ratings have been mostly positive, and last night had one of the series' largest viewerships.

It actually got modestly positive reviews:

OOPS -- Metacritic combines the reviews for all 9 seasons.

So far, 1984 has a 95% approval rating from Rottentomatoes.

But that's only 21 reviews.

R391 Rotten Tomatoes doesn’t count, it’s not a credible review source anymore.

people are watching because there is nothing to watch on TV right now! NOTHING!

Including a real life serial killer in the context of this show is kind of tasteless.

r394 ties it to the other AHS - he was in Hotel as a ghost.

Yes, as a serial killer ghost on Devil's night...there was a certain level of fantasy.

But using Ramirez as a Satan worshipping killer, exactly as he was in real-life, in the campy context of the show is, to me, kind of tasteless.

Every single year we get the haters invading these threads going on and on about how horrible it is, how everyone hates it, how the ratings suck, how Murphy is a hack, etc...YET HERE WE ARE 9 SEASONS LATER....AND YOU KEEP COMING BACK SPOUTING THE SAME SHIT.

Satan was a big theme in Apocalypse, R396. And since when is Murphy known for taste and not camp? You must be new.

R366, this is what has me worried, too. Slasher flicks are fun for an hour and a half, but to have 10 whole episodes dedicated to a story that, so far, seems like a mash up of Friday the 13th, The Burning, Halloween, and Sleepaway Camp doesn't sound like it's going to be able to withstand 10 episodes. Then again, have any AHS seasons been able to withstand more than 5 episodes before getting boring or directionless?

Bringing in Richard Ramirez was an idiotic decision. Ryan Murphy seems to have a hard on for serial killers and shoehorning them into stories that don't need them. Didn't he bring a bunch of real life serial killers into Hotel and people got their panties in a bunch?

I thought it was good fun, but I almost always feel that way about a few episodes of this show every season. I'm sure there will be some high highlights and some very low lowlights throughout. It does seem like a fool's errand to basically make 10 different slasher films all season. Most slasher films barely have enough substance to fill 45 minutes, so this could get tedious fast.

It would be hilarious if they ended up killing everyone off in episode 2 and then each episode after that is more like a sequel. You can have someone else open a camp across the lake (like Friday the 13th Part 2), have some horny vacationers stopping off at a family cabin (like 3) and have a young kid and his/her family coming into contact with the killer (like The Final Chapter). That'd be kinda funny.

They're obviously going to fill time with 1) the soft porn angle 2) Exploring red herrings, because we're already meant to suspect Mr. Jingles, Margaret Christian Bitch and RIchard Ramirez plus 3) Campy nostalgia, ideas courtesy of STRANGER THINGS/ KUNG FURY.

I'm game for the gay porn but I won't respect this show in the morning.

I find it amusing that people are claiming that some of the ideas were stolen from Stranger Things...a show thats only a few years old, who stole ideas from a genre thats over 40 years old.

BECAUSE STRANGER THINGS STARTED THE TREND ON TV OF BRINGING "40 YEARS OLD" BACK!

In this way! With the Retrowave soundtrack and vintage V.H.S. and 16mm damaged look! Nobody did that on purpose to a wide audience until KUNG FURY and STRANGER THINGS!

God, r402 is a dunce. There's an original period, then there's a modern trend of bringing that period back, dummy!

This is the caliber of AMERICAN HORROR STORY fans, and this is why I stopped watching in the first season ...

[quote]That relative complacency carries over from the script's low-hanging-fruit references to genre progenitors like Friday the 13th, A Bay of Blood and Halloween. There are hints of cleverness in the dialogue, but just hints. It's only in the Night Stalker stuff, perhaps fodder for a Quentin Tarantino-esque rewrite of history, that I got much hope for anything fresh. The idea that the season might use the pretty young counselors as a Trojan horse for some sort of Mr.-Jingles-versus-The-Night-Stalker mashup might be the only thing keeping me interested for future American Horror Story: 1984 episodes. And even that might not be enough.

--The Hollywood Reporter

Stranger Things does not own 80s nostalgia. Sure, the success of Stranger Things has reinvigorated it but it's been done again and again. This season of AHS is going to go off the rails really fast.

Not for nothing, but they were guaranteed 10 seasons. It doesn't do much to argue the point that THEY'RE IN THEIR 9TH SEASON!!!!! when you knew they were going to be anyway. I don't know if they'll do anything for the final season to go out with a bang, but I sort of feel like S8 wrapped up the whole series. These last 2 seasons are just obligation, at this point, and they've probably lost a few production dollars already. I'm sure that's why most of the regulars have already dropped out. We'll see if they come out of S10 or not. Regardless, I'll watch. Maybe hate watch, but I'll watch.

Dear rube @r402, let me spoon-feed this to you since you're ignorant.

The styling of AHS: 1984 is copying the '80s retrowave bandwagon started by other artists in recent years. The opening credits sequence was lifted from Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" video.

NOTE THE NEON PINK TRIANGLES

Gaga herself stole the pink triangles and vintage look from experimental filmmaker Jennifer Juniper Stratford's stylings around 2010.

R403 who fucking cares? Like what you like and watch what want to. I get it's the thing to complain on here but you are a whiny bitch to the extreme. If you haven't watched the show in 8 years why the fuck do you care? Never understood going on about I show I dont like.

R407 - it wasn't lifted from Gaga if Gaga herself lifted it. Get over yourself, hun.

Around the same time Synthwave artists were bringing back '80s synthesizers and video effects for fun.

As popularized in America in the movie DRIVE.

And later, the wildly popular KUNG FURY and STRANGER THINGS.

So you can see, this is a MODERN pop trend that WAS NOT IN CONTINUOUS USAGE since the '80s that an entirely new generation started by themselves.

And Ryan Murphy is late to the party. His minions are just biting what more original artists had the true passion and creativity for, LIKE HE ALWAYS DOES.

I see we have a synth loon in our midst.

Wrong again, r410.

"Herself" simply and properly means that Gaga is ALSO a biter. Which Madonna, Whitney Houston and Shaft can attest to.

No, I'm just hip to current pop culture and give credit where it's due.

[quote]The launch was an hour-ish of the writers and frequent director Bradley Buecker saying, “You like Glow? You like Stranger Things? You like the ’80s? Remember those summer camp killer movies? Reference! Reference! Reference!”

—Daniel Fienberg, The Hollywood Reporter

Not to mention the hit retro video game 2 years ago, chock full of synthwave music and video effects, with FRIDAY THE 13TH: THE GAME itself:

Dan Fienberg is exactly right at R418.

This show has always been a ripoff of other horror movies, and they continually use the word "homage" as a cover for their plagiarism.

Just hurry up and get Cody naked all will be forgiven.

I'm confused as to why people are complaining about Gus. He's not an actor. He's an athlete. Of course he can't act. Why Murphy cast him on a TV show as anything more than a cameo is beyond me.

R422 ....and gave him awful dialogue

[quote]I see we have a synth loon in our midst.

It wouldn't be the Datalounge without at least one.

How is Candy from Pose doing on her new show???? Please say she is fabulous!

Crap. I tried to quote someone and the comment disappeared. Sorry [423]. I'm a dumb newbie.

425 Maybe it's just because they put her next to Gus Kenworthy, Emma Roberts, and Cody Fern, who all can't act for shit and only get hired by Murphy because of either nepotism or the casting couch, but so far she's the standout of the cast. She has sass, charisma, and isn't grating to watch like the rest of them. So far, in my opinion at least, she's the best part of 1984.

^ R425.

R427 I agree that she’s the best one so far.

Did they miss any?

[quote]Why Murphy cast him on a TV show as anything more than a cameo is beyond me.

As the show incessantly reminded us, the '84 Olympics were held in L.A., so they cast a Real Life Olympian. And much of Gus's dialogue related to his failure to make the team.

How ironic! How lame.

are we at least going to see Xavier and Chet hook up?

Ramerez shows up and you think it is tasteless but a serial killer party in the hotel was okay?

Well, I loved the first episode. I think it's the strongest opener since Freakshow.

Most of you go into every Ryan Murphy show with the intention of hating it, so I'm not sure why you watch to begin with? Just stop watching.....if you can.

[quote] Every single year we get the haters invading these threads going on and on about how horrible it is, how everyone hates it, how the ratings suck, how Murphy is a hack, etc...YET HERE WE ARE 9 SEASONS LATER....AND YOU KEEP COMING BACK SPOUTING THE SAME SHIT.

You poor dear! How you must suffer!

[quote] Every single year we get the haters invading these threads going on and on about how horrible it is, how everyone hates it, how the ratings suck, how Murphy is a hack, etc...YET HERE WE ARE 9 SEASONS LATER....AND YOU KEEP COMING BACK SPOUTING THE SAME SHIT.

You poor dear! How you must suffer!

R434 I love American Horror Story, but even as a fan I have to admit this season’s opening was the weakest we’ve ever seen.

R437, I disagree. This looks like it's going to be the first scary season since the first one. That's got to be good for something.

Hotel had the weakest season opening followed by Roanoke and Cult. 84 is not nearly as bad as those turkeys.

[quote]I still think Grossman's character had something to do with it and JIngels is not THE killer, just a killer.

I'm thinking that she was involved in the kilings and is trying to atone by opening a Christian themed camp.

It's so sad to remember that this mess used to win Emmys and have Oscar winners in the cast. It should have ended when Jessica left. Everyone who is now a part of it should feel humiliated.

R441, If you hate it so much, then STOP WATCHING! It's not that hard.

I think the female cook will turn out to be the main killer.

In the original 1980 "Friday the 13th" movie, Mrs. Voorhees said she was the cook at Camp Crystal Lake when her son Jason drowned.

Except the show already established that the lesbo cook is in terrible shape — she gets winded after a couple of steps thanks to her eating and smoking habits. And none of the raincoat creeps pictured look fat.

I have to watch for Gus's glorious pecs and abs. And because I'm a fan of all the shows it's ripping off. Slutting up Matthew Morrison is a perk and I also want to support Billie Lourd because I feel sorry for her losing her mom.

So I'm going to add my hatewatch comments. Datalounge is for "pointless bitchery." However, I will give credit when the show does something right, like the payphone sequence.

I kinda like Gus, there was only one scene when I thought he was out of place, but for the most part he was alright. I got to say, I never thought Morrison had it in him. Nice.

I personally like Billie Lourd, especially when she's playing someone closer to herself. As dreadful as Scream Queens was her character worked because it was basically her.

The only thing I will give AHS credit for is their new-ish jarring mid-season twists. I liked the reenactment show becoming the a new show with the reenactors & originals in Roanoke. I liked the fallout shelters in the "future" suddenly switching to the witches in the "past" in Apocalypse.

My guess for this season is either a time jump (where did that hiker who was dressed like he was from years before come from) or we're really watching a movie. Guess we'll find out mid-season!

[quote]I kinda like Gus, there was only one scene when I thought he was out of place,

Dark hair with his complexion was out of place. They should have let him show his natural hair.

His hair looked the same to me. They just combed it like Jon Erik Hexum.

He’s a natural blond. 🙄🙄🙄

the killer will be a main character, of course.

There has to be a time travel/ jump with that big clue with the hippie murdered guy who told the gang "I tried". Also there may be a significance with cutting off ears. Still not entirely convinced that Margaret the fundie camp director isn't dead or the actual killer who solely framed Mr. Jingles when in reality they were both in cahoots. How did her husband die and how convenient that his fortune allowed her to reboot the camp. Did she in some way allowed for Mr. Jingles to return to the camp just in time to be blamed again for her killing spree? Has Mr. Jingles returned not to kill more counselors but exact revenge on Margaret? Maybe the hippie murdered ghost was running away from a time warp as well as from Margaret when he realized that she's returned to the camp for more bloodshed.

Will we at least get to see Cody's ass?

Angelica Ross was the star of the episode....that tranny has an Emmy in her future..........

R453 maybe. Lots of chances in episodes to come.

From the promo it seems like Cody's character is spying on Morrison, Gus and the black guy in the shower. So one or all 3 might show their asses.

Compared to a few of the other actors in the episode, Angelica Ross not only held her own but excelled. She was completely believable as the nurse.

Ross was great. I also really liked that Grossman wasnt playing a similar comedic character like the last 2 seasons. Obviously Gus is the weakest but for his first gig hes not that bad.

[quote]How did her husband die and how convenient that his fortune allowed her to reboot the camp

I thought the same thing when I watched the premiere. I think there will be some red herring set up where it's revealed that she killed her husband for the money, but has nothing to do with the previous massacre or the killings at the camp.

R456 I hope so. Murphy didn't coincidentally cast all hot actors with medium-to-low ranging talent for no reason. I think he's gonna pay us off with some eye candy. Here's hoping for a threeway, or at least Gus getting pounded by the black guy. From what I can see from the short shorts, all of the male cast members have great asses.

Ross did a livestream where she was watching the show with some of the cast. Sex was brought up and Billie said there will be some like her character was definitely involved in it which makes sense for her slutty characters. Hopefully some of the guys in the show will get with eachother but none have shown tendencies at this early stage. Xavier seems gay and I bet one of the jocks is curious or closeted.

R461 in that livestream they also said Gus would be half naked every episode which is good. Itll make up for his well below average acting.

[quote]He’s a natural blond.

So is Cody and Cody is lead, can't have two blondes.

Cody Fern is a natural blond?

I guess it’s nice to know somebody is into Drama Class femgeek Cody Fern.

There’s a lid for every pot.

Cody fern is a brunette. He looks great as a blonde, though.

R466 was gonna say, he’s a natural brunette. Gus is a natural blond.

For some reason this is not posted OnDemand on Spectrum. WTF

A couple things:

-The license plate on the van they drove to the camp said VANTACY -The song used for the cast announcement trailer was I Can Dream About You -Emma Roberts character tells the group that the murder rate goes up in the summer because it's hot and people keep their windows open. She then goes home and falls asleep literally in front of an open window and is woken up by Richard Ramirez, who the gang was just talking about that afternoon. -Grossman, Morrison and The Hitchhiker all look like they're from the 70's, not the 80's.

Prediction: The twist is that the first few episodes are a dream. The constant 80's movies references in the premiere got old very quickly. I get that they were mocking the bad acting from those films, but that doesn't excuse the bad acting in this cast. Ross is great, but everyone else grates. We were spoiled with the cast of previous seasons. They've dumbed everything down, and I wonder if it's because the cast is so weak.

As for Cody Fern, he's been oddly quiet on Instagram. He was all about promoting Apocalypse last year. He hasn't posted anything about1984. He did the same thing with his season of House of Cards, and he was very public about how disappointed he was by that experience.I was a Cody Fern fan, but his allegiance to Murphy is killing his career. He needs to get out of from under Murphy's skirt.

Murphy's weird loyalty to Grossman, Roberts and Lourde has ruined this show.

I miss Evan Peters and his ass.

I was bored of Peters, and Paulson by last season.

Glad they’re gone.

Cody is blonde this season. he is lead.

R470 Me too. This season should have begun with an In Memoriam montage of all the times he’s bared his ass for art.

A moment of silence for those we’ve lost.

Billie Lourd remains terrible in every way. At least Gus isn’t an actor—what is Billie’s excuse? Sometimes nepotism is cute but usually it’s awful.

Are we supposed to root for any of these characters? Will we root for the killer to flay each of the camp counselors?

R475 I said the same thing. I said “if any of these characters doesn’t gain any redeemable qualities, and I doubt they will, I can at least root for the murderer to kill them all”

R475 At this point the women on this show are so annoying to watch that I’m hoping he kills Roberts and Lourd next episode. I like the cook, she can be the partner-in-crime. And Mr. Jingles can keep Kenworthy, Morison, and Horton naked and chained up together in a cabin to sodomize at will for all I care, they can’t act for shit and they’re only good for being eye candy.

[quote]Murphy's weird loyalty to Grossman, Roberts and Lourde has ruined this show.

IIRC, Lourde's father is Murphy's agent or part of his management team. That might explain Murphy's loyalty to Billie. But, Murphy also has a history of hiring spawn of celebs or members of acting families for his shows like Danny Huston, Grace Gummer, and Lily Rabe.

[quote]Murphy's weird loyalty to Grossman, Roberts and Lourde has ruined this show.

IIRC, Lourde's father is Murphy's agent or part of his management team. That might explain Murphy's loyalty to Billie. But, Murphy also has a history of hiring spawn of celebs or members of acting families for his shows like Danny Huston, Grace Gummer, and Lily Rabe.

Billie Lourd looks so much like pornstar Nina Hartley in this show.

I want to hear more about Cody Fern dating a woman. I definitely believe he and the BF broke up but still live together.

remind me again how Ryan Murphy even found Cody Fern? - while driving through the Australian outback?

I'm assuming he auditioned but I guess he could have been seen on another film/show and was scouted.

R470 I wonder where Evan would have fit into this season? Would he be the hippie guy? Matthew Morrison's character Trevor? One of the killers?

A better Xavier??

Of the friends he would fit Xavier best right? Hes too young to play the big dick guy. It's more pervy that 40 yr old Morrison is around and hooking up with these 20 somethings.

[quote]Murphy's weird loyalty to Grossman, Roberts and Lourde has ruined this show.

[quote]Lourde's father is Murphy's agent or part of his management team. That might explain Murphy's loyalty to Billie.

Lourd is his one of his agents and has been for a very long time. They're also actually friends so he has known Billie for a long time. She credits him with saving her life after her mom died by giving her another role.

Emma Roberts said that she's known him since she was a kid through "family and friends." He also worked with her aunt Julia Roberts.

He cast Leslie in Popular years ago and waited almost a decade to call her for American Horror Story so that seems to be an outside connection. Rather she auditioned once, worked with him once and came back years later.

Someone last year broke down how most of the actors he continually works with have some sort of connection to him that is beyond, "they auditioned." He worked with Javier Bardem and then his wife Penelope Cruz who he met through him. The same goes for Murphy's publicist, Simon Halls who is married to Matt Bomer who has also worked with him many times. He even named the character from Asylum, "Kit Walker" after their kids.

Cody Fern is one of the few people that just simply auditioned without any connections to him that we know of.

[quote]I was bored of Peters, and Paulson by last season. Glad they’re gone.

One of the FX Bosses said that one of the reasons Murphy had to "clean the slate" was because the old cast was starting to cost too much money.

Is he going to keep doing AHS now that all his attention has shifted to Netflix?

I shutter to think how badly Pose and AHS will suffer next season.

They have to make a comment on how much Fern resembles Andrew McCarthy as he was big in the 80s or lose a golden opportunity to do so.

R488 Yes I think you’re right, the whole premise of this season being set in 1984 was to do just that, it’s raison d’être.

Tell us about it, R487.

So what's the story with Billie Lourde's parentage? Did Fisher and Lourde's father date or was it a sperm donor situation?

R487 "I shutter to think..."

Oh dear.

I think Camp Redwood is a re-enactment camp. That's how Xavier got the job.

R493 then where would the actual horror come from? Does it turn from reenactment to real because real killers actually attack?

Unless it's a red herring Xavier is questionable. He last minute got all of them to come where they are the only counselors and he got that threatening message on the phone. Definitely dont think any kids are coming in the next couple episodes.

Gus throwing his legs in the air

R496 They must have laminated him with makeup to hide his ink.

Was the message left on Xavier's voicemail from The Nightstalker?

That is exactly what you're supposed to do with a slasher, r476.

Slashers villainize the stuck-up, popular people and douchebags so that you CAN enjoy their demise.

I get that you guys are lamenting the loss of Evan Peters in a leading role.

But technically, he DID appear this season. He was one of the first victims getting killed in the 1970 flashback.

Thank you, r473 and r474. I didn't realize Evan Peters had such a beautiful backside. I love smooth asses!!!!!

Thank you for sparing me past seasons of this dreck!

R474 Murdergasm.

Evans did not appear in last week's episode. I think he will appear at some point, though.

Angela Bassett was giving interviews that she wasnt appearing in last season...until she did.

What happened to all the boys at the camp in 1970? Were they murdered too?

I think the poster who said it was all a dream might be on to something. I am guessing Emma Roberts was attacked and in a coma and is dreaming all this.

Angela Bassett was only written into Apocalypse after she publicly commented on her disappointed over not to be invited to appear. She was written in last minute, which was another reason why that finale sucked as hard as it did.

The acting and dialogue of 1984 was too bad and cheesey for it not to be a dream or fantasy. Enduring that kind of low-quality talent might work for a 90 minute movie, but nobody is sticking around for ten weeks of that crap. They intentionally had the hitch hiker have a bandana across his forehead like a 70's hippie would wear to get people to question the time line. Grossman's hair looks like that annoying sister's on that 70's show, and Morrison most definitely looks to be from the 70's. They never really explained why he was there. Adding to the fantasy/re-enactment camp theory, Nurse Rita refused to help Ray with his cut hand. I'm voting for Grossman, Morrison, Ross and The Hitch Hiker all being actors, with Xavier being in on it because he was hired to work there as an actor, all while a real killer is on the loose.

Yes, all of that was already expressed, Aspie Copycat @ r507.

So in that scenario would everyone but Brooke be in on it and they are trying to fuck with her? Or would Xavier be the only one of the 5 in on it?

Will there be a gay storyline? If not I don't care.

r510 I am guessing Morrison and Kenworthy. My guess is Morrison in omnisexual and Kenworthy is deeply closeted.

R511 not Cody's character? He seems gay too but maybe that is just Ferns acting.

I don't know how people watched that and thought the writing/acting was something other than intentionally bad. Cody Fern and Gus Kenworthy were fucking perfect. I was particularly impressed with Gus because telling someone to do an intentionally shitty job acting normally results in them completely overdoing it (because no actor wants to believe that their normal work could possibly be close to bad work, they feel they must make it very different if it's supposed to look bad). Cody's timing at the aerobics studio, when they're all sitting around after class and he does a split second pause between explaining his summer plans and saying "you should all come with me!" was flawless. I'm not going to rewatch the episode to confirm my memory, but I think that was a steady shot, not something pulled together in the editing.

I have no desire to watch Stranger Things (I was 12 in 1984, have no nostalgia for it, and zero desire to see anyone's childhood filmed through a Spielbergian filter). I tried to watch GLOW, but found the characters unlikeable and dull. But I thought this was silly fun. I prefer AHS to be campy. I didn't even tune in until Coven. It's possible that Murphy is targeting an audience full of people like me. I don't know anyone my age or older who gives a shit about Stranger Things.

One of the upcoming episodes is titled "True Killers" maybe that ties into theories some have Mr. Jingles wasn't the killer in the 1970 massacre.

[quote]He seems gay too but maybe that is just Ferns acting.

Whether or not the character turns out to be gay, in the 80s, the audience was routinely expected to accept such a character as straight despite all contrary signalling. Straight people could write such characters and put them on screen with zero apparent awareness that it came across as gay.

Then you're living under a rock with no awareness of the superior offerings out there, r513, as I imagine all AHS fans are.

STRANGER THINGS had 40 million viewers when Season 3 debuted this July — That is on-par with the biggest shows out there like GAME OF THRONES and WALKING DEAD

It's a family show with broad appeal. Parents and grandparents who lived through the '80s love it for the period nostalgia. Young people like it because there's a bunch of youngsters in the cast.

R516, The article says Stranger Things had 26.4 million viewers, not 40 million.

Tastes differ, buddy. I'm leaning towards you're just an idiot, not trolling. But if you were trolling, it'd be a pretty solid move to write about audience demographics in a way that assumes all adult viewers are either parents or grandparents.

Fern and Kenworthy are playing versions of themselves. Fern can act, which is why he's excelling at his role of a deeply closeted actor trying to pass as straight ("I call dibbs!"). Kenworthy literally is a dumb gay jock. There's no way Kenworthy is intentionally dumbing down his acting skill for this role.

I have zero knowledge but I think Matthew Morrison is Mr. Jingles son.

This board loves to hate on Fern, but he's fantastic this season. Interesting that he's keeping a low profile right now. Probably isn't in the mood to deal with the same hate that he (and his partner) got last season.

Somebody posted a video Angelica Ross posted of the whole cast minute Roberts and Grossman watching he premiere. Fern definitely seemed subdued. The only other time he's made no mention of a project he was in was HOC. He's said in several interviews it was an unpleasant experience and his character was destroyed..

[quote]Fern definitely seemed subdued.

Many actors won't watch their work but maybe he was there for his co-stars.

r520 Mr. Dingles?

[Quote]This board loves to hate on Fern, but he's fantastic this season.

It's been one episode mary!

It thought he did fine in the premiere, but it is easier to look good when the caliber of actors in AHS is a shell of what it used to be.

MARY!

Angelica Ross is the illegitimate child of Diana Ross and Miss Michael Jackson.....

[quote]So what's the story with Billie Lourde's parentage? Did Fisher and Lourde's father date or was it a sperm donor situation?

R491, they dated for three years. It was legit. She once said:

[quote]“People ask if it lessens the blow that he left me for a man because it’s a rejection of my gender and so isn’t personal. But I don’t care what people say – I was humiliated and betrayed and I believed I’d somehow messed up. I don’t know if I believed I made him gay, but I’d failed and that’s all that really counts.”

He also blamed her drug use for him turning to men and she didn't have the kindest things to say about him in her books. However, that's another thread.

[quote] I was particularly impressed with Gus because telling someone to do an intentionally shitty job acting normally results in them completely overdoing it ...

They weren't all bad. I'm not buying that he was trying to be intentionally bad while a few of the other actors were good even while saying their cheesy dialogue.

Based upon the descriptions: All of this is over in episode 5. Then we'll see what the twist is.

However, someone pointed out that we should look at the promos for the season. We saw the actors in "screen tests" in their outfits. We also saw the actors all entering the cabin and pretending they were looking around it.

But I keep thinking the twist will be more ambitious than, "This is a movie" because it's way too close to what they already did with Roanoke. My guess is, this is a movie and then when the twist happens they will all be playing themselves like Wes Craven's New Nightmare or the very end of The OA. That's why the promos made it clear that we were seeing these actors and when the show started with episode one we even got title cards for the characters.

R527 OK, but who’s the sperm donor?

I got a Scooby Doo vibe with the kids in the van.

In one of the teasers, the two camp counselors are watching TV when the killer attacks. A quick shot of the television shows Emma Roberts (Brooke) standing at the payphone the ways she was at the end of the first episodes, like the counselors were watching the first episode that aired.

Something else I noticed from the cast announcement was that Grossman, Morrison and Ross were all acting scared while the looked around the cabin. Fern, Lourde, Roberts, Horton and Kenworthy didn't seem scared at all. They very intentionally left the marking tape on the floor of the cabin to show each actor hitting their mark. It's either a dream, a re-enactment, or a show within a show.

Murphy stated that he used actual costume tests for the teaser footage.

[quote]They have to make a comment on how much Fern resembles Andrew McCarthy as he was big in the 80s or lose a golden opportunity to do so.

I thought he looked like a gayer Steff, James Spader's character in Pretty in Pink.

[quote]No, I’ve never seen an 80s slasher movie. Maybe that’s why I found this episode to be so boring. If the only people who can appreciate this season of AHS are people who have seen 80s slasher movies, that’s a pretty small group.

You're being an asshole and kinda dim. What’s the point?

Fern is a dead ringer for Simon LeBon this season.

WRONG, r517. "The article says" STRANGER THINGS got 40.7 million views worldwide upon its first week of release.

Why am I not surprised you didn't read the entire article?

I made no assumptions or claims about "all adult viewers," r518.

But pretty solid try for trolling.

Anyone got any dirt/tea on Zach Villa though?

I saw a preview for tonight promoting the appearance of this guy. He's the guy who calls Xavier and threatens him. He's a dead ringer for Cheyenne Jackson. That got me thinking. Literally nobody from the previous casts are returning when it's clear their are characters they could have played. Adina Porter/Nurse Rita, Paulson/Margaret, Peters/Trevor, Jackson/Xavier's lover/stalker.

Why did so many past actors bow out this season?

R539 so you already have seen the whole episode or just a scene?

People who have FX plus can watch it in advance

I thought FX plus wasnt a thing anymore.

Hope there is some hot male nudity and not stunt butt like last week episode

Literally none of my AHS faves are in this season so I’m giving it a miss. If it gets really good though, one of you huns let me know. Ta. x

R543 how do you know it was a stunt butt? Just because it wasnt a super close shot and you cant see his face? His body looks identical and more so than most doubles. No way to really know.

[quote]Why did so many past actors bow out this season?

Some of them are busy with other shows or have contractual obligations like Gaborey Sidibe and Adina Porter, some said they didn't want to return like Kathy Bates, Evan Peters and Jessica Lange, some of them were/are on other Ryan Murphy projects like Angela Basset, Sarah Paulson, Matt Bomer, Finn Wittrock and of course Jessica Lange again.

But it saves them money overall by hiring mostly a new group of people so now you have actors on the show who are archetypes of other actors that used to be on the show.

Plus the whole idea would have had to of been different to accommodate that group of older actors way out of their 20s.

If any of them wanted to be part of the cast this season, Murphy would work around their schedules. I've literally never seen Adina porter in anything but AHS, so not sure what important projects she has lined up. Sidibe shot around Empire last season, Bassett, too, shot around 911 for her cameo last season. Filming for Ratched ended in July and The Politician ended filming several months ago, so there goes that excuse for Wittrock, Lange and Paulson. It's been widely speculated that Peters took the season off because of Roberts.

I get the feeling think the more likely answer is Conroy, Lange, Bates, Bassett etc gave the slasher film theme a hard pass. I can also totally see all of them looking down their noses at the current cast, who are really only there because Murphy plays favorites. The whole thing is beneath them.

Paulson is filming Mrs. America.

Slasher is a great theme though. It's only one episode but I'm hopeful about it. Cult wasnt great and last year had promise but ended up a hot mess trying to combine those seasons.

Note to r539: A.H.S. sucks. Now you have the memo.

Paulson is arguably the busiest and she's already confirmed she'll return to the AHS this season in a smaller role. The scheduling conflict excuse doesn't pass the sniff test.

I think the older actresses didn't return because they weren't asked to return.

I believe I read here that Murphy promotes you as the next big thing one day and drops you the next. I think Cody Fern learned that the hard way. He hasn't said one word about this season but is talking about how much he misses playing Michael Langdon.

Probably cause with Langdon he was giving sooo much to do and in this season hes more in the ensemble. Which I get but seems selfish. Xavier still seems like a large part of the show just not the amount of material as last year. Apocalypse was a letdown but he was good in it.

So with all her Murphy pull, why hasn’t Paulson gotten any work for her significant other Holland Taylor? She could have easily played the Joan Collins part last season.

R553 Holland is actually going to star in a Murphy show on Netflix called "Hollywood" fittingly about Hollywood.

[quote]If any of them wanted to be part of the cast this season, Murphy would work around their schedules. I've literally never seen Adina porter in anything but AHS, so not sure what important projects she has lined up. Sidibe shot around Empire last season, Bassett, too, shot around 911 for her cameo last season.

It's not about Scheduling Conflicts as much as it is about them [italic]not needing the work[/italic] and they honestly wouldn't adjust the schedule for *every* actor.

Adina Porter was on Apple TV's The Morning Show, has been on CW's The 100 for years and is on a new Netflix show shooting now.

Gabourey Sidibe stated herself that her contract with Empire sets express limits for what she can do outside of the show set by episode count. Once she was upgraded to regular they only allowed her to do three appearances on Difficult People where she was previously a regular. The same goes for AHS. They seemed to have shot all of her stuff for Coven 2 very quickly and even that, I'm sure, had to be negotiated since he obviously likes her.

Bassett only returned for her cameo because she openly stated she never had been asked in a season where nearly every actor previously on the show had returned. It just looked bad.

[quote]I get the feeling think the more likely answer is Conroy, Lange, Bates, Bassett etc gave the slasher film theme a hard pass. I can also totally see all of them looking down their noses at the current cast, who are really only there because Murphy plays favorites. The whole thing is beneath them.

All of these people had previously been on the show for YEARS and done everything known to man from running around with three titties to being set on fire at the stake while wearing fashionable gowns. Kathy Bates had to play a severed head for several episodes and still returned to the show the next season. They didn't just have a problem with the theme NOW. My guess is, they just were busy, didn't feel the need to come back and if he's already helping them in some way (if he really didn't "need" them) I doubt he'd ask them to return.

As for Paulson, I'm sure he left that up to her since she's been his favorite for years now and through process of elimination.

This season is about horny young people at a summer camp. Not much need for Bates, Conroy or Bassett.

Bates would have been funny as the cook though.

I'm sure we will find other characters further in the season who could have been played by our favorites that some of us are missing...

The slasher genre was the theme is was waiting for, actually. When I saw the ads for this I was overjoyed.

No nudity warning tonight.

love the wedding scene

That wedding sequence was fun

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH....I'M NOT GAY...BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

That shower scene was such a tease...

Ok, the hitchhiker guy is a ghost. Are they all ghosts ?

lol the van wont start

Searching for car keys in the cabin drawers?

Nope. Nobody's been playing FRIDAY THE 13TH: THE GAME at all!

Hitchiker, Trevor and Rita are all ghosts. At least it got more interesting.

Blow the Best Man's brains out at the wedding!

CHEAP

The wedding sequence should have included a dead bridesmaid

Conroy as an oversexed camp counselor would have awesome!

Conroy as an oversexed camp counselor would have awesome!

I’m actually loving this. It’s really living up to the low budget, bad acting, campy vibes of 80s slashers.

Lol... I guess everyone tuned out after episode 1.

This episode tonight was great. A lot of fun.

Now we know where the hitchhikers body went when Emma Roberts took everyone to where he was hanging on the back of the cabin door.

The shower scene actually had surprisingly little nudity, I'm shocked we haven't seen Kenworthy's ass.

This episode was silly fun, though the Brooke wedding flashback was over the top even for vibe of the show. Must be more of a story there.

I'm not fully buying Brooke's story. I bet she fucked the best man.

The wedding scene was fantastic.

Loved how over the top campy this is.

This episode basically felt like it could be an episode of Scream Queens to me.

Trailer for Episode 3: "What are you doing down there?"

"I'm dying!" in Gus Kenworthy's voice.

So is Gus going to be the first of the gang to go down? To death, that is.

Kenworthy did a decent job acting tonight. And I will thank Jesus and Mary for his pecs and buns tonight.

I don't want to keep bullying Cody Fern. But I don't buy him as "gay for pay."

Fun and catchy pop songs during gruesome slaughters = glib/cringey/gross/sadistic/psycho/not scary/not funny

It's just a tactless show of, by and for creepy dweebs.

Emma Roberts didn't even dodge when Ramirez swung his knife at her. He just WILDLY MISSED a point-blank, foolproof target.

R581 did he or any of those guys actually show their buns in that shower scene?

They were in underwear. The camera cropped out the moments they were nude 😢😢😢

So, can we rule out that Margaret is a ghost because 1) She says she's not and 2) She aged, whereas Hippie Ghost didn't?

Why did the show warn there was nudity when there was none?

R588 to tease you.

I wonder how the families of Richard Ramirez's victims object to the way he is being portrayed on this show. (The actor who plays him looks like he could be Sandra Bernhard's little brother.)

I keep thinking I'm going to find Matthew morrison attractive in this role (he is attractive to me in real life), but I find his wig and fake moustache so fake looking as to be constantly isitracting. He Gus Kenworthy doesn't do it for me either, though he has the perfect kind of face for an 80s movies hunk, with that huge Cro-Magnon jawbone teeth

Cody Fern cannot act his way out of a paper bag, poor thing needs to never be cast again.

R588, there was nudity. Someone's butt was shown for about 1 second through the shower but since it was through the perspective of the "peep hole" you may have missed it or not even knew what it was.

So... once again a GAY man can write lesbian characters but gay male characters..? NOPE. WTF?! I'll only watch if there's a gay male character,

[quote] Cody Fern cannot act his way out of a paper bag, poor thing needs to never be cast again.

None of this cast can act. They all suck.

It's like watching a high school production.

[quote]I don't want to keep bullying Cody Fern. But I don't buy him as "gay for pay."

That was probably the point, with a backstory coming. There is no such thing as "gay for pay." There is however bisexuals who do porn and market themselves as such to fucked up gays.

[quote]Why did the show warn there was nudity when there was none?

Did they later? The opening had only a violence and language warning.

R595 It said nudity down the bottom. FX must be playing games. Last nights "It's Always Sunny" said nudity and it just had blurred out nudity not actual nudity

So is that it ? The rest of the season is going to be them running around the camp like those morons in that Geico slasher commercial ? What a missed opportunity. So many great slasher situations they could have mined.

How could they not show a good butt shot in the shower scene. Why even write a scene like that and not deliver the goods.

That opening scene made no sense. The doctor just sits there knowing the killer is loose.

Hopefully Emma is going to have a Scream 4 moment towards the end of the season

Who's the fug playing Richard?

Since we need a second thread

Unwatchable mess.

Did Xavier kill Blake?