Police: ‘Several’ bodies found at North Dakota business

Heres theor "Meet the Team" page. My money's on Jason B so far, he looks disgruntled.

Trumpies the corpses who love them.

I'm going with Matthew B, R1.

One of the many, many fraus there got on Ben P's nerves one too many times.

I say Ben E. (he has dead eyes) or Justin B. (normally a good guy but something his wife or one of the cubefraus said or did finally set him off).

Ben P. is gay as Liberace’s hot pants.

Jeremy R could be a contender too though, he's got that angry hippie thing going on. They mocked his hair one time too many.

wasn't ben p

I think it's Shelbe N.'s boyfriend/husband.

[quote] I think it's Shelbe N.'s boyfriend/husband.

From Steel Magnolias?

Definitely Robert F., the owner, he has Sanpaku eyes with the whites showing below the irises.

The dark horse choice is April D.

What about Bill C.? Any takers??

Y'all are really ghouls. Many of these people are likely dead and you're amusing yourselves with this game about their murders?

R10, yes. Jesus it doesn’t take Jessica to figure this one out.

Look at his quote for god’s sake. That was the last thing those people heard.

But anyway, thoughts and...ah fuck it.

They found the bodies early this am, so why don't we have more information?

Lot of newbies here recently. See exhibit one: r13.

Uh, R13. This is Datalounge. You're lucky no one's celebrated the death of deplorables yet.

I've been here a while. This is beneath even DL standards for repellent behavior.

R13 isn't that what R2 was trying to do?

[quote] The dark horse choice is April D.

Is there a dark cow candidate or just too many to name?

[quote] The dark horse choice is April D.

Interesting. Her quote, from a Psalm, is “Be still and know I am God.” Imagine her saying to each victim as she pulls the trigger “Be still and “KNOW THAT I AM GOD!”

So there are job openings at this company then?

My guess is Jose, he's so shifty they cant even provide an initial on his last name.

r13:

Katie C.'s and Kayla G.'s work as public relations specialists has just become much harder.

Update. Police still looking for the suspect.

Most drab signature ever goes to Karen B.: “The color Purple is very nice.”

"We are like a snowflake, all different in our beautiful way." - Unknown

Jose being just Jose is so fucking racist.

I'm going with Mandy F.

"If you can't be good, be good at it."

Well R29, maybe that is why he snapped.

I think it’s this guy

the dumb dumb sheriff reported the dead are 3 males and 1 female. suspect at large.

The owner's personal quote is "Say hello to my little friend" from Scarface.

That might be a little clue...

This is like Fargo come to life! Youuuu betcha.

This guy is giving me hot daddy vibes. I hope he made it out okay.

It's Justin B, right?

The owner looks a little worn out and over it all. Maybe he snapped and offed his wife a couple of others and then himself.

[quote] My guess is Jose, he's so shifty they cant even provide an initial on his last name.

That’s what all the surviving employees who are Trump voters first suspected. So in others words all the employees except Ben P.

R36, can you do a circle around the guy in the front with the scarf?

I hope no attractive men were victims! If the killer is hot, and hung DL will forgive him.

Oops, I meant Justin B in R1. Don't want to to lose the pool on a typo.

R36, also circle the guy in the back right in front of the fan.

[quote] Most drab signature ever goes to Karen B.: “The color Purple is very nice.”

And yet I got an entire novel out of it!

The guy wearing the scarf is obviously the lone gay in town. Let's hope he wasn't one of the victims.

Why does a rental agency need that giant American eagle carrying a US flag in one claw & a POW MIA flag in the other claw? Are they guarding military secrets?

And isn't that kind of cruel to the eagle, expecting him to fly with those honking big flags in his claws?

R40 here ya go

There's always more than one gay in town, R45.

R43.

Genny from billing with a candlestick in the library.

it goes without saying R45. I wonder how many of the men in that picture dump their cum on the gay guy wearing the scarf?

Obviously the hockey team spit roasted him once or twice...

Thank you, R49, R47!!

Opps I mean to say R48 not R45

My prediction: Estranged husband/boyfriend went to workplace to take out wife/girlfriend, got carried away and took out a couple of her coworkers.

Hockey player wearing number 26 or 28 (??) is cute. Possible gay?

These are the times I love DL. The sleuthing. You bitches have put more thought into it than the local police. The circled faces in the pics. I am fucking laughing loud and hard in my office on a crappy Monday. I needed that. Thx DL.

No, R56, thank the killer. Probably Shelbe's ex.

This has the potential to be a classic DL thread.

[quote] I hope no attractive men were victims! If the killer is hot, and hung DL will forgive him.

Ben P survived. He’s the only one on the “team” I consider attractive.

Can we get a pic of the hockey team?

^ Damnnnn R60. I'm workin on it byotch!

Thats GINNY from Billing r50 I'm still trying to fathom how much ambrosia salad to make for the memorial. And whoever keeps eating the hardboiled eggs in the container clearly marked as mine in the staff room fridge , do you think the Devilled Eggs are just going to make themselves?! I knew I should have taken a Personal Leave Day to get our little Smorgasbord underway....

Thanks, R62. I want to know who #26 is, and also the twink standing beside him, the one in the hat.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R34, see r10 and r14.

R36, he’s the killer! He made it out ok. He’s on the lam.

r66 = THE FUCKING HALL MONITOR ON EVERY GODDAMN FUCKING THREAD

GIVE IT A REST, YOU CONTROL FREAK FUCKING CUNT!!!!

[quote]He’s the only one on the “team” I consider attractive.

The guy at r47 is purty.

Hockey team is Bismarck Bobcats. Website doesn't have a group team photo.

Wow r68! Calm the fuck down. I was pointing out we’re on the same train of thought. Do you usually fly off the handle at anonymous people on a message board?

Take another pill before you give yourself a fuckin heart attack or something.

Does this look like the guy in the hat to you guys?

Why are there no TWOCs on the team? That's the real crime

R72. Nice work!!! Gotta be him. And he recently had a birthday!

DL is better than therapy. And cheaper.

You can check them all out via the rooster drop down menu on the team's site, R74.

[quote] Interesting. Her quote, from a Psalm, is “Be still and know I am God.” Imagine her saying to each victim as she pulls the trigger “Be still and “KNOW THAT I AM GOD!”

!!!

[quote]Why does a rental agency need that giant American eagle carrying a US flag in one claw & a POW MIA flag in the other claw? Are they guarding military secrets?

No, R64. The flags are the undersides of the eagle's wings. In its talons, it's carrying a banner that reads "All gave some, some gave all".

R78 I'll sleep better knowing that. Thanks.

[quote]I think it's Shelbe N.'s boyfriend/husband.

That may be, but can we just stop for a second and acknowledge that all versions of "Shelbe" (Shelby, Shelbi, et al) are terrible?

My money’s on Justin B.

Why is Jackie F, owner, cutting the ribbon with her fingers? Is she not allowed to have scissors?

"We don't talk about 'the scissor incident'".

Bill C has the murderous deplorable gaze.

Those quotes on their website! The owner’s “Say hello to my little friend”

trump voters all. Except Jose with no last initial.

Soft butch sous chefs. All of 'em.

His real name is Javier but they couldn't pronounce it and they already ha a Joe.

i hope Jose survived. I hope a wall shielded him from peril and doom or the killer clapped her or his hand on Jose's shoulder and said "this isn't about you, amigo. Go home and pray to your Dio your thanks for mercy."

Oh no! The took down all the "meet our team" photos.

I guess the public relations specialist made it, r90.

News blackout!

Dying over here, R91. WW for you.

I love that when you click in the link it says "This is somewhat embarrassing isn't it?"

I hate it when all the employees are gunned down by a deplorable in a fit of impotent rage, so embarassing..... :/

So who's the killer?! Why are the police being so quiet on this?

RJR

New management! And... a new name!

R I P Maintenance and Management

Love the new name R96, catchy.

The “Meet the Team” link on the website is GONE!

The holiday fun fotos are still up. Here's Ben with Santa and a merry helper

Family, R99??

Activity Time: Caption this photo!

Sorry dwarves

She ain't wakin' up this time

What's the guy's name again, R101?

r103 Ben P. I believe. Someone upthread gave the whole name as Ben Pace.

Ben is sweet but looks like a very tired dwart, there. Hope he's not dead.

He’s not r105, he posted he was fine on his Zuckerberg page.

Jesus, that just about sums it up R101. That fat fucker laid there as Snow White while the serfs get to be the dwarfs and the evil Queen

This is like Murder on the Fucking Orient Express. Too many suspects to count. Just look at their faces.

More details, with links to various Facebook pages.

I'm on it boys.

Ok, I may be putting my money on the owner now. He looks very unhappy in every picture. -R1 Damnit, I'm not good at profiling.

Reading through link at R 108, the implication seems to be the husband and wife owners are two of the deceased. It may just be that site making a guess.

Ben P sounds like a little bitch. Spill, queen.

Ben is quite lovely.

Ben appears to be a bottom. Why isn't he screaming from the rooftops about all this new drama that has entered his life? Bottoms live for this kind of attention!

Ben

We should start a fanclub for him here.

From the size of Snow White @R101, Step-mother got her with Apple Fritters

^ He is rocking that Norman Rockwell meets pneumonia look.

Very sad. My father died recently so I totally understand what they're going through! Even weirder, my husband is named Ben and is also gay!

Datalounge??

This from r108 link........

"While on the morning of April 1, Pace wrote on Facebook, “I am okay. To people prying for information, please stop. For the ones checking in on me, thank you from the bottom of heart.” That status update was flooded with comments from people offering thoughts and prayers regarding the situation."

Queen is swatting the paps away!!!!

This thread is The Best of DL Everything

R119. Looooooooooooooooooooooooool. I love you. I needed that laugh sooo bad.

THAT IS DL LEGEND!!!

Awww...sweet Ben seems to think the world of that lady.

Ben is adorable, I hope he's safe.

He is adorable. And he obviously loves that female boss of his, I hope she's okay too.

My goodness, R123, he's like glitter in human form.

He's a cutie.

Ok, Ben's safe thank goodness.

I'm not so sure his boss is safe though R126, this seems personal. I'm joking around, but it's just that this shit gets old.

I know. I'm feeling bad about the Ben posts. His living room in the fb link above is faaaaaaaabulous. Nevertheless, I feel bad.

It is pretty fucking wild the amount of info that can be dug up in a two hour period given simply a tiny local news story.

Pretty.

Yeah, I get the sense something happened to her, R128.

What's weird is that the people who worked at the company have kept quiet. They are all refusing to comment. Usually there's at least a few who blab to the media right away.

Mr. Red and black jacket on the far left looks guilty to me.

Can Ben dance?

The "Meet Our Team" page plucked out of Google's cache for further analysis:

Ben was asked to drain pasta for the company lunch and that pushed him over the edge.

Isn't it time we started posting our theories on what Happened? I'll start.....

Obvious gay scarf man just snapped after the office fraus gobbled down all the treats kindly given to ALL the staff by a salesman. Having had this horrific crime committed one to many time by the sows he murdered them with a poisoned ambrosia salad, (which none of them could resist, who can?), and was assisted by his pocket gay fuck slave Ben C to hide the bodies in the basement, where they rotted for months as nobody liked them anyway.

Ben's Instagram

Ben eating a popsicle. Adorable.

R139 Fuck his cheap as toast tattoos, did a blind armless man do them?

What a great idea for My Left Foot 2.

scrappy gay hipster. like!

why no lover in any pics?

Also is his Joker like lip situation natural or enhanced?

Is he even gay?

^^Helen Keller @ R144

lmao....

No Rose he's a Masc bro.

Ben is THE fierceness of North Dakota!!

Read the comments, poor Ben is always trying to bulk up.

Where does he say he's gay, R147?

You're right. He's obviously hermaphrodite and sexually fluid.

I don't think those are perm tats.

He's cute AF. Yeah, I'd pound him.

So, perp killed the two owners, another guy then himself?

R150. One of his tattoos says "gimme some o' dat crazy monkey butt sex".

No, R153, the police are still looking for the suspect.

R153. Close. But I think he did not kill himself. Thus, they have a search on for him. That's also why (as someone asked above) none of the workers are blabbing to press or on SM. With a suspect on the run, police told them to shut the fuck up or else.

R154 you're an asshat

Do you think Ben would be flattered knowing he has fans on DL?

R156 I don’t think that’s true—why Would they say there’s no danger to the public? I think this was a murder-suicide.

Fatty on the lam!

Could have been a disgruntled customer. A competitor. Or maybe the business isn't healthy and there was loan sharking or who knows. Why kill the husband AND wife owners. Maybe they fucked over a customer.

Maybe an entrepreneur was renting from them and his business when bust, and they kicked him out of rented space, and he blames them. People crack up when they lose their livelihood, especially small business owners.

^ they did rent collection as part of the property mgmt services. Maybe someone being evicted.

exactly

You could be right, R162, I'm starting to doubt it was an employee.

[quote]Ben is THE fierceness of North Dakota!!

Which is like being the best dentist in England.

Did you see the detail in the page about the husband and wife owners that said surveillance video showed a vehicle going up to the building around 7 AM and then leaving 4 minutes later? (The police were called around 7:30)

They started work early, that couple!

Here's Ben!

2 victims were Bill and Lois Cobb.

^^^^ That's sad. I saw on the linked RJR Management page a comment from their child, 1000 miles away, who tried ringing them but they weren't answering.

From R108's link:

[quote]There were four bodies found at RJR, four males and one female.

Is it four or five?

Police investigating the homicides, and reputable local news, report four bodies: three males and one female.

Of course it’s an isolated incident, it’s in NORTH DAKOTA.

Direct video link since DL's linking system shows "bad URL timestamp"

https://www.facebook.com/Rjrrentals/videos/2306577132999903/

I hope Ben makes something of himself. Going by his IG, the kid is just trying to live his best life. That can't be easy being out in Bumfuck, North Dakota.

Its sweet when gay guys just stay in their home towns. The lack of boyfriend / lover at his age is sad however.

I don't know, R177, he appears to have a lot of friends and family and seems happy. He's a sweet kid and it's actually nice to see that he's well liked and has a lot of support.

Bill and Lois C looked like fairly nice people...

[quote]the kid is just trying to live his best life.

Do you put the bread down just to type that, Oprah?

Wayback also has snapshots taken earlier today.

How old is Ben?

Pity about the tattoos.

i wonder if the murderer came in, shot the Cobbs thinking they were the Faklers and shot witnesses, before leaving.

The fat chick at R99 even has “Ho” on her hat. Perhaps there was a love triangle going on with her?

I think one of the two hockey team mascots did it.

He's 22, R183. No way he's not a Datalounger.

Easily not a Datalounger. Average age here 83 (look 60) and few in flyoverstan.

I think he just turned 23

management companies are usually pretty awful

Is the killer on the lam in Canada, eh?

He's gorgeous.

Not murder/suicide per a report I just read. Also, Mitchell Kessel is okay and neither the killer nor killed.

Link, R194

Property management companies, regardless of how fair or judicious they are, will always have a pissed off renter here or there. It could have been an eviction notice or something as simple as a notice to comply with a rental or lease agreement that pissed off some personality disordered client.

I have neighbors currently going through an eviction proceeding with a tenant in one of their rental properties, their first one ever in their 15 years in the business. They are really great, fair, landlords, yet they got one bad person who appeared OK but cracked. It doesn't have to be a family feud or a provocation. Just dumb, fucking bad luck.

R194 Well, if it wasn't murder, did God kill them?

He has weird eyebrows and a Joker-like mouth.

Hmmm, R189, I don't know....that post at R149 sort of reminds me of that poster who was 21 or 22 complaining that he couldn't get built no matter how much he worked out.

Sigh. It wasn't a "murder/suicide" fool, R197. The killer did not kill three people and then kill themselves. All four victims were killed...or this is the most elaborate April Fool's joke ever.

R200 Thank you for clarity. And for FINALLY posting the link......see, you are not always a total cunt, your Mum was wrong

Yes, I momentarily forgot that old techno-idiots like you don't understand how to just type in a google search to find information out for yourself.

R202 Dl etiquette dictates one does not talk about a link, one simply posts it.

Like this?

It's strange to me that an Adam Fuehrer (seriously) had worked at RJR for eight years, but is not one of the 22 employees featured in the marquee of head shots.

R205. Good sleuthing.

What would Jessica Fletcher do?

R194 is worse than Hitler

Pocket gay fuck slave, R138?

I love you.

Ben P. has a Garrett Clayton thing going on in some pics.

[quote]normally a good guy but something his wife or one of the cubefraus said or did finally set him off

DL's ever- present incel contingent jumped on this quicker than I expected.

A bunch of wood chippers are missing too.

Mitchell Kessel wasn't listed on the staff page either

[quote]Ben C to hide the bodies in the basement, where they rotted for months as nobody liked them anyway.

Ben doesn't even look like someone who pours his own glass of wine. You think he's lugging around dead bodies?

My money's on Don E.

[quote] Ben doesn't even look like someone who pours his own glass of wine. You think he's lugging around dead bodies?

Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing, ask what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?

Ben has been discreetly helping Matthew B. explore his bi-curious urges

R217. Lol.

I'm more thinking about Ben and the hockey player mentioned upthread wearing the hat (Alex is his name, someone diligently sleuthed). Alex, stripping off his hockey gear as Ben teaches him what to do.

What about scarf guy? I wonder who he is in relation to the company?

Do they know the killer yet?

R220 Scarf guy is dreamy, and tops Ben

Ben has a photo in an onsie and in his underwear on his FB page.

R223 You missed a comma

I read that too, R167. I wonder what the employees were doing there so early, what's the reason to be at a property company before 7am?? Obviously, it sounds planned and I'm now thinking it was a client.

Scarf guy is cute, hope he's okay.

Ben's the most adorable gay. I hope he's happy and successful.

Ginny from billing made it out ok.

The police chief said "it was a rare type of crime scene". I wonder what he means by that.

“The crime scene is contained to where it’s at, and there is no evidence based upon what we see that the public at large is in any danger from what happened there.” How is that not a murder suicide? Yet they’re looking for a suspect? Note to self: don’t visit North Dakota and have a crime committed on you.

There are several bad reviews of Google and Yelp. Ben responds to some of the reviews. I’m with R196 - it may have been a client.

Link please r229?

[quote]The crime scene is contained to where it’s at, and there is no evidence based upon what we see that the public at large is in any danger from what happened there.

We'll probably learn later that the local police bungled the investigation.

R230, the links have too many characters for this site. You’ll just have to search for “RJR Maintenance and Management reviews.”

I'll bet it was some kind of poison, probably in a tainted food product someone brought in. That or Ginny G. from accounting's egg salad sandwiches sat out in the sun too long.

The article in R226 mentions they were responding to a medical call, and every article so far has failed to mention guns or a lockdown that would have occurred had a shooting been reported.

R233. Good thinking. Poison makes sense. Now that I've slept on it, it was a "medical call", not a "911/someone's been shot/stabbed/beaten etc" call. Why ever call a 911 call a "medical call". Had to be a breakfast meeting and someone brought in some eitherainter or deliberately poisoned breakfast. Maybe it was delivered. Maybe that's why car was seen at 7:05 am the left quickly -- ubereats or something. Maybe they are looking for ubereats delivery guy to see if he was guilty.

Thanks r232. Interesting reading the reviews.

I read the reviews too, most are positive, some rave about the company and since are bad. Pretty typical of any online review comments.

They opened at 8:30 am so it is puzzling why the murders occurred around 7 am. Who knew Bill and Lois Cobb and the other two people would be there? And an article said a car was parked for only 4 minutes and then left. Killing 4 people in 4 minutes means a gun was used. I think the medical call was from one of the victims. Very sad.

Moment of the articles say at what time the medical call came through. If it was, say, 20 minutes after the mystery car left, it could have been poison

What time was the vehicle seen coming and going from the premises?

[quote]That or Ginny G. from accounting's egg salad sandwiches sat out in the sun too long.

JFC, Not again!

Will this bitch ever learn?! We have a damn ICEBOX for that!

Words of wisdom from Ben on the company Instagram

Lol R189!

A medical call could be anything, though.

If someone walked in and found them dead, even if they were obviously dead, they would call an ambulance to pronounce.

And if you call 911 and say there’s 4 dead people here, chances are they’ll dispatch an ambulance, too hence “medical call.” The police usually don’t say “it was a murder call.”

DL will have this one figured out before the cops!

Now think. If the business opens at 8:30, why were Bill and Lois Cobb, plus two others there so early? And who knew they'd be there at that time? Would a customer know that?

^ "Hi this is Ginny from billing. This is a murder call. Four down and my egg salad is gonna be the fifth down, hee hee. Anyway, yeah, murder call here"

R244. Given it was a property mgmt company, I can imagine a client saying "oh I really like that [commercial space] [residential space] but I can only meet to sign the papers early on Monday before work. Can we schedule to meet briefly at say 7:00? I will bring the coffee"

I can see this scenario given service nature of what the company does.

R244 8:30 was when the office was open to the public, but they had staff on call 24/7 for emergencies.

I am going to be the fifth victim because I’m dying at R245!!

OMFG that shit was hilarious. Everyone is looking at me now cause I burst out laughing.

We know young Ben made it out safely, but are we sure he's not the killer?

[quote]someone brought in some eitherainter

Pics please.

I’m not thinking the 7:00 am time means anything. A lot of companies staff up very early to get a start on the day.

[quote] DL will have this one figured out before the cops!

Yeah, not if you're all going to be posting "why were they there so early?" over and over and over again.

Odd there isn't more news here this morning or that someone hasn't spoken to media

There'll be press conference at 11:30, R253.

R252. Now now. It's been a long day and night for us all. You need a nap. Ginny and I can take over for a few hours

11:30 est?

I love you, Ben P, r255.

Now I'm laughing.

11:30 CST, I would assume. I watched the previous press conference and was disappointed that the dim police chief didn't have a 'Fargo' accent.

[quote]The police usually don’t say “it was a murder call.”

In every mass/multiple shooting I've heard or read about, the word "shooting" is used. "Medical call" is odd, but I have a feeling this language has more to do with local reporting and amateurish handling of the crime scene than it does about what actually occurred there.

Business owners put in many extra hours. Before/after hours, weekends and holidays. The Cobbs being there just an hour and a half prior to establishing opening hour isn't abnormal.

I don’t understand why the general public isn’t in, at least, a smidge of danger.

A link up-thread contains info that the business operated 24/7 with staff in the building at all hours.

Who the hell are the Cobbs? Who are the other victims?

Is there not one fucking investigative reporter in North Dakota? I

Bill and Lois Cobb were married and probably shared a car to work. They may have liked to start and finish work early. They may not have been the intended targets—they could have simply been in the wrong place at the wrong time if the killer was going after the owner(s). Though, between Bill and Lois, I can see an angry tenant going after someone in Lois' position before a maintenance supervisor like Bill. As an account specialist, Lois would have had direct contact with tenants and would have had the unfortunate job of enforcing rules and polices, which may set someone off.

Any guesses as to why their office is so massive? Look at the size of it!! It also has a metal roof, interestingly.

Your post just set me off r263.

Here’s where the assertion came about a car coming and going. A pickup came around 7 am, and then an RJR maintenance truck left shortly after. So it could’ve just been a worker trading out his personal truck for the company one and starting his day, not even going into the office. The assertion is based on a FB post by a Thomas Simon.

Click on his page - Thomas posted the emergency call. It’s for “cardiac arrest” and other people with injuries. So it could be an employee came in at 7:30 am, discovered the scene, and felt like he/she was having a heart attack.

So Bill, Lois, and the two others could’ve been killed anytime before - maybe even Sunday.

Ummmm, Marys???? Hate to burst the bubble but this is the lead-in to Ben P's LinkedIn, written by Ben himself:

I have many years of experience in marketing and networking businesses in a variety of fields. I am highly proficient in the intelligence of computers and technology, excelling in the use of major social medias and other outlooks. I am exceptionally educated in the rental field with the emphasis on homes and commercial residencies. I have made numerous connections with major outlets and high sought after cliental.

The next press conference is at 11:30a central time.

So what, R267. He's cute, that's all that matters.

RJR posted they will be closed again today - no kidding!

Hardly surprising, R267. I doubt any of us expected that this twenty-something entry-level worker at a rural North Dakota property management company was writing his dissertation on paleomagnetism.

Ben needs to hoof it to NYC before its too late.

As per his Facebook, he's in college and wants to move to NYC, R272. I hope one of you will take care of the boy once he arrives!

Bri Miller is the daughter of Lois and Bill. She is 1000 miles away and is posting on FB. Her posts are heartbreaking and of anguish, but provide no additional clues except she says “you might have a vengeance.”

The murders occurred at the beginning/end of the month which is of significance to renters, so there’s that.

Ben was quoted a few months back on the rental industry:

"It's a lot more aggressive. People are wanting more things. People are knowing that they can be pickier. They can pick what they want and they now want a property management company that they're going to get taken care of. They don't want just the same old mom and pop," said RJR marketer Ben Pace.

Pace even described the rental market as a dog-eat-dog world.

Ummm. That's Chicago. Also whatup with all his vertical striped sweaters?

Correction - Bri is the daughter of Robert and Jackie Falker. So if they are dead, why are there earlier reports about Lois and Bill Cobb being dead? That doesn’t equal 3 males and one female. Guess I’ll wait for the presser.

Wrong photo, R277, he had one in NY where he said NYC was the only place he felt at home in.

There's a confirmed press conference? Link, please.

[quote]Her posts are heartbreaking and of anguish, but provide no additional clues except she says “you might have a vengeance.”

What was the full context? I don't have FB so I can't see her posts.

Which couple are the owners?

[quote]RJR posted they will be closed again today - no kidding!

Dammit! I wanted to go inspect the scene!

R267, what are you trying to say with that? I don’t get it.

He's saying Ben is simple.

Ah, thanks, r285.

But he’s so damn cute.

He is cute. I don't think he's simple though, just young. Some of his post and comments on Facebook are quite introspective.

Link to press conf, please.

Link to local CBS affiliate which should stream the presser. But who knows? Its North Dakota.

Why is everyone speculating it’s most likely a customer? Why can’t it be a disgruntled coworker? I

Ben and his feelings on NYC.

Here's the full post, R281:

[quote]to whoever made a senseless act & took the lives of 4 innocent people out of anger or whatever it was.. did you know 2 of them were my parents? did you know they were grandparents who are unconditionally loved by 3 tiny humans.. did you know that my step dad would give you the shirt off his back if you had just asked? did you know how excited my mom got every time she video called her grand babies or received a random picture from our day.. did you know they just bought their forever dream home not even a month ago? they were supposed to get chickens in a couple weeks & come visit us 1000 miles away over summer. did you know you took the life of my best friend? the person i called when i didn’t know the answers of parenting or when i was having a bad day. my step dad could talk me out of any anxiety attack.. my whole world came crashing down today all bc of a careless person who is still out there. this is something you only see in movies or hear of happening on the news. you never dream of these kinds of things happening to you. i have no words. 4 amazing people lost their lives today. please please hug your family, call them up more often & never forget to tell them you love them. you never know when it’s going to be the last time..

[quote]*my post has been shared all over the world & on news channels. this is the worst experience & time for our families. all the prayers in the world won’t bring back our loved ones. if my post gets around enough to change the mind of even one person in the world thinking about taking the life of others, then let my words wrap around you. you might have a vengeance but they have a life full of love. a life full of children, grandchildren, parents, family & friends.. this is a lifetime of hurt we will forever feel. a lifetime of questions we’ll never have answers to.. every reaction has a choice. choose to be good no matter the circumstances.

Ooops, wrong link.

I couldn’t watch the whole presser as it was a waste of time. “I’m not going to speculate. That’s part of the investigation so I can’t tell you. That’s part of the investigation so I won’t reveal that.”

Basically what we know is

This was no boating accident!!

The thing the chief said that interested me was they were still trying to identify the bodies to notify the next of kin. I doubt that would be poison as they’d be relatively easy to identify, no?

Did they even say how these people died, or when?

Confirmed that Bill and Lois are deceased and that the young woman, Bri, is there daughter. The owners may still be alive.

How are they still identifying the bodies? How hard can it be to see who didn’t go home last night?

R295. Maybe they were all decapitated! Even still, not that many people worked there; shouldn't it be a simple process of elimination? Weren't there purses and IDs left on the scene? This ain't rocket science!

That's heartbreaking R292. It's interesting that her parents purchased their dream home a month ago, I wonder if there's a connection there. Possibly a cheap deal on a forclosure, causing hard feelings in the original home owner or something. Just a thought.

That press conference at R289 is from yesterday, R294.

R299, decapitated and poisoned?

[quote]The owners may still be alive.

We were right all along. The “say hello to my little friend” dude did it!

Are the owners the parents of the girl on Facebook r292? This is getting confusing without the photo if the workers page to look back at

R298, the police don’t want to go to your next of kin and tell your family you’re dead without positively identifying you.

Plus, legally what if it was a situation like where the one guy found the other guy with his body type and killed him to fake his own death. They have to be sure first.

Here's a link to the current press conference.

No, R304.

R304,

[quote]Confirmed that Bill and Lois are deceased and that the young woman, Bri, is there [sic] daughter. [bold]The owners may still be alive.[/bold]

Sheriff just said they're not releasing names of victims at the moment out of respect to the families of the victims. They will release the names, but not just yet.

Are bill and Lois married?

R304 "Briann Miller of Girard, Illinois, tells The Associated Press that her 45-year-old mother, Lois Cobb, and 50-year-old stepdad, Bill Cobb, were killed. Police haven't released the names of the victims found Monday at RJR Maintenance and Management. Bill Cobb was a maintenance supervisor and Lois was an account specialist. Miller says police didn't give her any details about how they died."

Yes, R309.

If they don’t know who’s dead yet, how is the woman that’s 1,000 miles away on Facebook talking about her dead parents and chastising future murderers?

She knows her parents were amongst the victims, R312, the police called her, but haven't provided her with any details yet.

The family may know, r312, but the police are not publicly confirming it.

The male business owner is one of the dead. (Sorry for the fox Twitter link)

Sheriff says, "and stuff" a lot.

"Leads and stuff..."

Probably the owner was the target and the others were collateral damage.

I think I might know who did it

[quote]Maybe they were all decapitated!

That's what QAnon has been saying, which I'm sure you know. They decided almost immediately that this was a Sharia Muslim killing and that the Evil Libs are trying to hide it from the public.

They've just identified all the victims.

The owner Robert Fakler, Bill and Lois Cobb, and Adam Fuher.

So Robert is dead but it sounds like no one has heard from his wife Jackie?

Is it possible that they couldn't identify some of the victims because people are still missing?

They have identified all the victims, R321. There's no one else missing or dead. The only thing about the victims that they're not releasing at this time is their cause of death.

WTH, where is Jackie!?!

I know they identified the victims. I couldn't have asked my question if I hadn't known that.

What I'm still wondering about is why they said they were still trying to identify the victims so long after the bodies were found, why they haven't told Bri how her parents died or given her much information. There was speculation that the couple found was either the Cobbs or the Faklers, and the best I could tell from social media, people in town didn't know which couple it was either. If they'd seen Jackie, they would have known, surely? Or heard from a relative or friend that Jackie was okay but her husband wasn't?

So to hear that it was the Cobbs plus one half of the Faklers is odd.

Also, in this article the police say straight out that the four dead didn't kill themselves, and the murderer is still out there.

Is it really so odd for me to suggest that Jackie might be a suspect?

[quote]Police said 52-year-old Robert Fakler owned RJR Maintenance and Management Company. The other victims were identified Tuesday as 42-year-old Robert Fuehrer, 45-year-old Lois Cobb and her husband, 50-year-old Bill Cobb. They were all company employees.

This says Robert Fuehrer but other reports say Adam Fuehrer. Do we have to go there and investigate this ourselves? Jeez, if you want something done right...

R324, he said they took their time identifying the vics to make sure there were no errors. As far as Bri goes, who knows? When was the last time she posted? Here's a pic of three of the victims.

I feel so sorry for Ben P. Bismarck doesn’t have a gay bar and the Grinder pickings seem to be quite slim. I hope he’s getting some good oil worker dick, but I hope he’s not having to drive to Williston to get it.

I love his look, I just wish he hadn’t spoiled his smooth, pale skin with those tattoos. He’s like the boy, Rourke, that Zilv Guldel is engaged to/naking porn with. Ben is cuter, though.

I wonder what happens to all the employees. They obviously aren’t getting paid when they aren’t working. Maybe we should start a gofundme for Ben to raise money to get him out of North Dakota.

That's not a bad idea, R328. I'd love to help the kid get to NY. He's in college, maybe he's graduating this year? That'd be perfect timing.

Aw, he's on grindr as a vers bottom.

It would be fucking MAGIC if we could do something good in this and make a go fund me for Ben. Moving money.

It would be, but how would we go about it, R331? Who would approach him with the idea?

[quote] Is it really so odd for me to suggest that Jackie might be a suspect?

If she can't be located, chances are she's either a suspect or a victim. Maybe she's emotionally shattered and is staying with a friend or loved one.

I can just see it now, Ben gets contacted by a complete stranger who offers him several thousand dollars raised by anonymous posters on an little-known relic of the Internet past. He comes here and reads all of our bitchery. I can’t imagine that would end well. While we can have our fun here, it’d be tasteless to contact him now with such an offer. It would ruin it, unless he came here and answered questions. That’s a guaranteed way to be come a DL fave as proven by Dylan Geick.

Still, I pony up a hundred bucks to see Ben P. Get out of ND. Minneapolis would be a much better choice and not too far from his family.

Agreed, R334. He's a sweetie and many people from small towns and cities in ND end up in Minneapolis. It's progressive, gay friendly, and not far from home.

I would donate for Ben P to move to Minneapolis. He seems too sweet for harsh ND.

So Bri is the daughter of employees Lois and Bill Cobb, who were murdered. And the owner, Robert Fakler, was also murdered. But we still don’t know where wife, Jackie Fakler, is. The police did say there are no other people murdered or missing.

Robert’s FB has a Gun Porn link, and his quote on the RJR site, “Say hello to my little friend” indicates he liked his weapons. Well, if those four people were mowed down, then I guess the murderer liked his gun porn too. Another day in America.

I guess Robert’s fetish of guns didn’t save his life.

So weird, and yet he's got a sort of anti-Trump post on his Facebook.

I think the cops need to ask for some help from all the outside agencies that offered.

The Datalounge Detective Agency needs to open a branch in North Dakota

R340, we need to send one of our deputies ... Who’s closest to ND?

Marge Gundersen in Fargo is top notch. I'm pretty sure she's back after her maternity leave.

Story is coming up on HLN.

R338 - Bill Cobb (murdered) added the “triggered” gif to Robert’s gun pron link. As in anti-trumpers would be triggered. But then Robert thanked Rolf for his anti-Trump post.

The Cobbs seem so nice - so it’s doubtful they were targeted. And Adam Fuerher was a guy - doubtful his ex-wife showed up a-blazin’.

Someone knew Robert be there early Monday morning. If the murders occurred Sunday, then Jackie would’ve been worried. I’m voting an employee did it after getting fired and targeted the owner, Robert.

Poor Ben P - he must absolutely get out of there. How can he cope after this? Minneapolis is wonderful.

Has anyone looked for Nigerian brothers? Just sayin'.

r326, that is a true bubble butt on the police detective in the purple jacket in your photo. We need to find out more about him too while we're at it.....

R342. Lol. Lol. Thanks for that laugh.

So is someone from here going to contact Ben with our offer to help him move or not?

The Cobb daughter calls the killer “careless”. Doesn’t sound like a shooting.

Back to Ben. Here he is in his onesie.

Grenade, perhaps? A really quiet one?

R340,341,342...... Marge is damned good, I agree. But she definitely overlooked some key evidence in the neighboring Williston / ding dong ditch it scandal. Maybe we team her up with Gladys Ferguson (Bob's wife) from over there in Minot?

r349 Maybe the killer suffocated the four inside an unventilated storage unit. Then again, if the truck arriving at 7 left four minutes later, at least one body or signal that an emergency medical call was spotted.

Gladys makes a fine streudel.

[quote]The Cobb daughter calls the killer “careless”. Doesn’t sound like a shooting.

Or maybe she has a shallow vocabulary.

This is getting weirder by the minute.

Ben does not appear to be cash starved. Why do you assume he would need financial help? He is living well and is obviously industrious. He has a pleasant apartment, goes to school and works. He seems to be doing fine.

Because he needs to get out of ND, R357.

Adam killed the others then killed himself. A shotgun would make identifying the bodies difficult. No public threat because the suspect is dead. RE: "careless", Lisa was probably an innocent at the wrong place/time.

R359. One article made it clear that none of the four dead were thought to be the perpetrator. This is why it's all so odd.

Lisa, R359?

Cmon girls !!!!!!!! Focus damnit!!!

On what, R362!?! Ben or the case?

On rhe case, R363. We have posters like R359 breezing in here thinking they can finger the guilty party though they don’t know WTF they’re talking about.

Attagirl 364!

[quote] The police chief said "it was a rare type of crime scene". I wonder what he means by that.

The crime scene was covered in semen, but it was dog semen.

How the fuck do you have four dead bodies, none of whom was the killer, a suspect at large with no manhunt and no "threat to public". And have to take 24 hours plus to ID bodies? How did they die????????

At this point the grenade option posted above is looking decent.

The owner may have been pro gun but it looks like he was anti Trump. His last post was definitely a slam on covering up the Mueller report and several of his friends chimed in as well. Bummer, if so.

Did they order a Salad from Subway? In zero degree weather?

[quote] How did they die????????

They were stabbed.

Good lord, R367. They didn't take 24 hrs to ID the bodies.

It's feeling more and more like some serious gory stuff. Chainsaw?

Do we have any DL correspondents in the area? Maybe they can hang around the local Michaels Crafts or Cracker Barrel and gather some intelligence.

How do you know R370? How can 4 people in a small area be overpowered and stabbed?

If the method was stabbing, a similar case did happen in another small, cold, northern town in 2001. Still unsolved. But the cops put out warnings back then. This case is so puzzling because LE is saying the public shouldn’t be worried.

I am all sorts of confused about the picture at r101. Are there eight dwarfs? Is the one next to Ben, the one in the red hat, a chola giving us the stink-eye? And the one with the yellow head gives some shady judgemental look to the gal dressed up as the huntsman. You know, like the ice queen, in the front row (staring at the girl who averts her eyes while leaning against the desk), from the DL classic office pic.

R373. Good idea. Someone needs to triangulate DL, Grindr and Scruff. Maybe cross reference with the organ transplant waiting list. Where are Marge and Gladys damnit? I know they're sitting at the damned chik fil a drive through.

Sorry, averts her gaze while leaning ...

It’s Jackie’s sister Lee that they are now zeroing in on!

I bet Jackie is with Ben. They seem quite fond of each other. I sure hope she didn't kill her husband to be with him, because ... you know (he's GAY!). Those flyover types don't pick up such things like we do.

r374 I read an account from someone whose coworker knows a RJR Maintenance & Management employee. I quote one paragraph from the hearsay testimony:

[quote] A Co-worker of mine, has a friend that works for the company, and they told her they were stabbed. The news mentioned that they were still trying to identify the bodies, well it's a company of 23 employees, so,unless the bodies were mutilated, it just doesn't make sense. It's just all so confusing. I was starting to think maybe an Axe or something? I just don't know how you kill 4 people without any one escaping without using a gun.

As for the police declaration that the public is not in danger, this paragraph from the same source suggests the perpetrator / murderer / 'hacker' was an 'insider' familiar enough with the area to avoid some surveillance cameras:

[quote] The building is pretty much brand new and I heard they had cameras everywhere, but there's open fields and a golf course behind the building, so they could have walked from a number of directions and probably avoided nearby surveillance. Another friend supposedly knows one of the first responders.. And all they said was, they've seen a lot of shit.. But this one was extremely bad, by far the worst.

What if, after all this Ben adulation, he is full on in the closet and is pisssssssssssssssed off anyone would ever think he would like anything but sweet sweet pussay?

If 380 has good intell, then they had to be drugged first.

Also, I've read that the crime scene was "large", that could mean the employees were in separate locations at the time they were stabbed. A knife doesn't make as much noise as a gun, so while one employee was being stabbed, the other three might not know what was going on. We don't know the times of deaths for each of the four employees.

That picture of Ben with the toilet paper & the baby wipes shows that he already an influencer. Not on the level of Olivia Jade, but pretty good for a flyover State.

R383. Good point. You know how you form an image upon first reading a story and stick w it? I had been doing that imagining all four together. But good point. All four could have been spread apart in bldg.

So there is a suspect and at large but posed no danger to the public at all ? So not armed ? Or incapacitated?

Poison. It was a woman.

Ben? Ben????????? Coukdbyou please just give us the 411 on the 911? Cmon Ben. Help a homo out

Let's suppose Robert Fakler, boss/co-owner of RJR Maintenance & Management, brought his little friend with him. How likely would it be that he'd shoot at an unknown intruder? How likely would it be that he'd leave his little friend at home if he was at the office with a handful of trusted employees to do some weekend work?

Ben is being aloof. Who does she think she is?

Or it could have been from people trying to run away from him R383. They see someone getting shot/stabbed and try to get away or hide.

I am much more interested in the Pike County killings in Ohio. Why was that family killed and why are the Wagers in prison??

Turning, I'm with you sister. That lil queen got her 15 minutes and never once thanked us. And we were all bout to go-fund-her for a new life in NYC!!! Unh unh girl.

R392. How very dare you. This thread is pure RJR with a side of Ben thrown in. Do not even try to divert its mission

Just how airtight is our sweet Ben's alibi?

Who cares what you're interested in, R392? This thread is about Ben and the ND killings. Go make your own thread and shoo.

Thank you 396. And 395, Occam's razor!!! Ben P was fingered (no pun intended?) way back in like R 5 or R 10. Girl is hiding out!!!! Packed a backpack w a few lipsticks, some glitter and a few classic LBDs (little black dresses) and speeding down the highway to the bright lights of Minneapolis.

Stop picking on poor Ben, R393! No one is talking and our Ben is probably under a gag order of some sort. Let's not defame his sweet character!

[quote] Or it could have been from people trying to run away from him [R383]. They see someone getting shot/stabbed and try to get away or hide.

That would require that the murderer knew the building very well and had the means to lock all the exits while stabbing them all to death one by one and the victims never coming up with the idea to attack the only attacker as a group.

She can post anin, anun, anonimousel, secretly!1!

Seriously... how is there no danger to the public? Either there’s a killer loose, or they all accidentally died in some trip and fall mishap.

[quote] No suspect is being sought, authorities said.

Translation: authorities aren't investigating this multiple homicide incident as a random attack.

[quote] Investigators are following up on leads and plan to reinterview more than 30 people, Ziegler said.

Translation: They've collected evidence and requested surveillance footage from security companies, and are interviewing RJR Maintenance and Management employees.

[quote] “A lot of people will be interviewed in reference to this incident,” he said.

Ben, you've been a little TOO calm and collected. Queen it up! Do some wailing and fainting. SOMETHING!

R398 or a gag-reflex order!

Cut him some slack. It's a lot killing four people, being on the lam and you want him to stop an type out posts. It's all he can do just to keep up reading our posts.

Did he delete Grindr? His profile was up earlier, gone now.

R249 has voiced my deepest fear. Never trust a twink with prison tats.

Maybe he ran off with scarf guy.

This is so many levels of disturbing confusion.

The Wife, her sister, knives/blades and gore enough for 4 unidentifiable dead, but because the murderer was familiar with that places security cameras to stay concealed somehow equates to the public being safe??? WTF? Is this being written by David Lynch?

Scarf guy has been renamed Prairieland Fabuloso.

Alright, enough of this. Someone, I nominate you, R410, find out who Prairieland Fabuloso is.

This will turn into a conspiracy theory plot with dozens of YouTube speculation videos.

Maga!

As long as Ben is safe and sound, R412.

The assurance that the public is safe is baffling.

There's a murderer on the loose but we're pretty sure he's got it out of his system.

The killer left his axe behind.

Did you see the March 30 Spring Cleanup video on RJR's Facebook page, showing Ben and employees, plus tot, plus Marcus the boyfriend of an employee? Maybe the Spring cleanup resulted in a lot of trash to be removed. Maybe Marcus had a different idea of what it means to "take out the trash."

Has anyone heard from Ben lately? Any activity on social media?

r418 You beat me to it. Radio silence as far as I can tell. Has our wee innocent lamb lawyered up?

As Lois & Bob are sadly no longer at the helm, it's come to my attention that the staff kitchen is-well to put it bluntly, OUT OF FRINKING CONTROL. I know we are all counting our blessings that WE didn't show up before Opening time, but lets show a bit of self denial. I'm looking at you, Brenda B...that exchange student from Hong Kong still insists it was YOU who 'misappropriated' whatever the hell his 'Fiesta Ware' plate and matching bowl is. Personally, I think it's pushing it to be using such a 'festive' motif at this time of our bereavement but then one must make allowances for these strangers to our land...and their strange ways. Personally Brenda B, I'd have taken it as a compliment last month when he blurted out to you "Me love you long time"! Of course in time, we realized he was talking to Jose's reflection in the mirror, but still dear, it's better than nothing. Now be a lamb and don't make me get Jim and Raoul from Security make a scene with you when leaving tomorrow's memorial. Simple return the affore mentioned dinnerware, and we'll call it a day. And what a day's it's been. I wish it was under happier circumstances but the boys down at KJRT warned me that my interview with them would get a 'national feed' Thank God my two piece knit set wasn't at the cleaners-the one that makes me look like can admittedly heavy-s

Joan Van Ark (obviously BEFORE all her disastrous work). Well, this has turned into a short story Brenda so I'll say Toodles for now Ginny in Billing

I found this quote from Adam's sister:

Natasha Towne said her brother, Adam Fuehrer, has worked at the business for about eight years. She said she didn’t know his status and was frustrated at the lack of news. She declined to talk further.

To everyone mad that Ben hasn’t returned our affection and support, even if he found this thread (doubtful) he’d have to visit everyday for a week to get posting privileges, or pay the $1.50 but I bet he is saving every last dime to GTFO of Mandan.

I’m so far as what happened, the killer could have already been in the building before the first person arrived. It would be easy to kill them one by one as they came in. I assume only the husband and wife arrived together.

"The killer left his axe behind."

I suspect Tina was involved.

I’m sick of this shit. Call the actual business and ask wtf is going on!

If the police is not looking for a suspect, and they say the public is safe, then obviously the suspect is one of the bodies.

Murder/ suicide.

Tonight's episode of "Murder, She Wrote": "Death Most Properly Managed." Jessica visits her niece Noreen in Bismarck, ND, only to find herself involved in a multiple murder mystery at a rental company. Guest stars: Joann Worley, Grant Shaud, Melissa Peterman. With former US Senator Heidi Heitkamp making a special cameo as herself.

NO! She’s visiting her nephew, Ben.

And Ben could be next if Jessica doesn't solve the mystery quickly.

For the comedy detective show: "Staff Cuts Announced."

[quote] Agreed, [R334]. He's a sweetie

The fuck?

You don’t know this person, grandma

"Staff Cuts Announced, Get There Early. First come, First Serve"

These local cops will Fuck. It. All. Up. 👏🏻

Maybe the Bubble Butt Cop in Purple has Ben under his protective custody?

What about scarf guy!!!!!

Okaaay, so if Ben did show up here, what would you ask him?

The local cops have called in state investigators. Relax.

I'd ask Ben:

who was holding the camera for the Spring Clean video, and if the Saturday the video was posted was the same Saturday the Spring Clean happened.

if there were fiscal year-end practices and duties that would require both Cobbs, Adam Fuehrer, and the owner to come to RJR's office on Sunday. Are both Jackie and Robert the only people with keys to the office.

if he witnessed everyone involved with the Spring Clean leave the premises after the event.

Have we established why Adam Fuehrer was not on the “this is us” page?

r435 hi Ben

I mean even “Jose” in maintenance (no last name, “I’ll get a quote” Ben) is featured. If Adam was a long-time employee, why is he missing?

Hmmm.

From KSFY: “Investigators believe the four victims were targeted. Police do not believe there is any danger to the public because of the specific nature of the homicides.”

Well, I never in all my life.

The local police are saying none of the four dead are the killer. The killer is not in custody, but is not believed to be dangerous. Huh? Wouldn't anyone with a modicum of common sense consider someone who has MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE to be dangerous?

When these incidents happen in rural areas, it makes it much creepier... like children of the corn.

How coy these police are.

More like stupid, r444.

People read about themselves all the time inline. What ELSE would bottom Ben be doing right now??

Could they have been bombed?

And their body parts blown everywhere ?

Would that explain why it took so long to Identify?

online not inline

As above, I support the questioning of any suspicious Nigerian-American bodybuilders in the area.

MY theory: the weapon loving owners blew themselves up. The place looks owned by survivalist leaning types. Could have been an accident. Maybe they’re trying to figure out if there was any meaning to it or an accident.

Maybe they know enough that the wife did it, but in the meantime, she's in the hoo-hoo hotel/psych lockdown, and they are waiting to get her official/legal confession.

Nigerian body builder brothers, Soft Butch Sous Chef and Duke's mayonnaise

Round em up, bring 'em in.

The police stated they are awaiting autopsy results and didn't recover a weapon. So weird.

Ben just updated his Facebook!

Poison. Woman did it.

This is rather Stephen King creepy. If we end up being deflated at how this whole thing ends, I will be PISSED.

R454 What did he post?!

Here, R456.

[quote] I don’t know if I have the proper vocabulary to explain how I feel right now. I could say everything in my heart about each one of them, but I still wouldn’t have done them justice. These were my people, my idols, my mentors. A piece of me will forever be missing. Rest in Paradise, My friends, my family. ❤️

Bismarck and Mandan have about 130K people, R443, so small townish, but not exactly rural.

R457 Thanks! Well, I'd throw in some money to a GoFundMe for "our" kid. Assuming his hands are totally clean in this, it would be nice to donate toward a fresh start for him. This has got to be traumatizing. r457, assuming he's friended you (not hip to the FB lingo) can you ask him if he would be OK with that?

R459, that's his latest posting, anyone with Facebook can see it, but you can't link regular FB posts here. I have no plans to contact the kid about anything, (I'd feel too creepy), though I'd gladly donate to him.

Here's a comment made to Ben on his latest post. It does appear that he's well liked and loved in his community.

[quote] Much love and prayers, Ben. I truly wish I could do more. Always here if you need to reach out. Just know you’re so strong, you’re one of the most genuine human beings I’ve ever been blessed enough to know, you’re loved by an entire community, and more than capable of getting through this. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

I wish Peter Thomas were still alive to narriate an episode of Forensic Files about this case.

Anyone else here think that this might have been some sort of planned hit? I wonder if the owner owed money to anyone.

We have a few good Jessica Fletchers here. I lik the bomb theory. Also like the wife did it and is in psych lockdown theory.

(And I still want to hear Big Ben's alibi!)

If the police didn't recover a weapon and they are awaiting autopsy results, that makes me think poison or fire... or maybe an acid attack?

Also, did anyone screenshot Ben's Grindr before it got taken down?

Bomb and fire theories are out. There would have been some mention of a bomb squad, fire trucks, smoke, blown-out windows, etc.

[quote]Also like the wife did it and is in psych lockdown theory.

And the police are just letting the public sweat it by believing the suspect is still at large? I'm really beginning to wonder whether some of you can actually read.

Quadruple auto-erotic asphyxiation?

[quote]The local police are saying none of the four dead are the killer. The killer is not in custody, but is not believed to be dangerous. Huh? Wouldn't anyone with a modicum of common sense consider someone who has MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE to be dangerous?

'Tis a mystery.

Ben looks like the kid on American Dad

[quote]The crime scene was covered in semen, but it was dog semen

This is seeming more and more personal. With the gore factor of identifying the bodies, the wife being a variable in this, I give it a year before Lifetime turns this into a movie. Ben can play himself!

I don't know why someone local to Mandan, ND would report the four had been stabbed if they weren't.

If the friend of a RJR employee had merely speculated, maybe a gas leak. Poison taken internally wouldn't be instantly lethal, someone would be nauseated but able to call 911. A call for medical help could be made if a victim in the front office was flat on the floor, with no apparent wounds. That'd point to an employee being the culprit.

I speculate still that a stabbing took place. Maybe someone who owed rent went berserk. Fakler was alive Sunday night, according to a friend who had a telephone conversation with him then.

R476, cyanide can kill a person in less time than it takes to soft boil an egg.

Honestly, do you think Ben knows we are chatting about him here? I wonder.

Depends if he's put a google alert on his name...

Anyone think the guy from the this dude's body thread had anything to do with it?

Did anyone check to make sure that Chris Watts is still in Wisconsin? Were they all strangled with a blanket?

It’s like a riddle: 911 called for a medical emergency. There was no weapon recovered but four were “slain”. There’s a killer on the loose but no one’s in danger. If their grandmas are second cousins who was born first?

My wild and harebrained guess is poison and a woman did it.

It's going to have to go a loooooong way to outdo the Chris Burrous story/revelations.

Poison explains much of the ambiguity. The next person to arrive at the office saw the bodies and made the 911 call. Because there wasn't any blood, they didn't at first think homicide—perhaps just a CO2 leak. The motive could have been infidelity, which is a strong likelihood in many murders involving spouses.

If it's poison then why did they say the crime scene is gruesome?

Have you ever seen someone die from poisoning?

And why would the police tell Briann Miller, daughter of two of the victims, her parents had been attacked, if the four had died from poison?

I wonder too, R478.

See me after class, R485.

Colonel Mustard in the library with a candlestick.

death by poisoning is an attack, no?

R489 lol.

Werewolf? Alien Xenomorph?

Zombie attack?

Werewolf. We're all safe until the next full moon.

Husband/owner dead. But wife/owner not dead?

Are they all going to be out of work?

Is anyone else here worried about Ben? He seems to be the sensitive type.

[quote]Is anyone else here worried about Ben? He seems to be the sensitive type.

Also: the sky is blue, water is wet, and pimps carry razors

I get it, R498. I hope he gets through this OK. I wonder if this will him to finally leave ND or if it will want to make him stay in his community?

At R101, why is it all women plus Ben? Why didn’t any of the other guys participate in the pic?

Is Ben Pace possibly of Italian descent and pronounces his last name “Pah-che”, i.e., peace. He could be a beacon of peace and hope in this time of troubles.

R267 rather makes me think less of Ben. He needs some grammar help soon and to get the hell out of hell.

r500 it's Snow White and the Seven Dwarves: women tend to be shorter than men, and Ben does not appear tall. My guess is that he was portraying Dopey. Whoever's meant to be Sneezy isn't doing a good job.

The murderer is likely an employee, from the times the murders were committed -- early Monday morning, and from the fact police asked nearby businesses for surveillance video. If an enraged client/customer did the stabbing, surveillance video inside the office would have recorded it. An employee could know how to disable the surveillance cameras' recording. Also, thirty people are on the investigators' interview list.

[quote]At [R101], why is it all women plus Ben? Why didn’t any of the other guys participate in the pic?

Because Ben is the gay one, Nancy Drew

[quote] I don’t know if I have the proper vocabulary to explain how I feel right now

He doesn't.

[quote] 'Tis a mystery.

R472 = Philip Henslowe

[quote] cyanide can kill a person in less time than it takes to soft boil an egg.

R477 = Magda Goebbels, recipient of the first Mother Cross

Mrs. Cobb in human form.

Do you see?

Mr. Cobb in human form.

Do you see?

Mrs. Cobb changing.

Mr. Cobb changing.

Do you see?

The fact that they don't think there is any danger to the public must mean they have a motive -- but if they have motive, why not a suspect?

Even if the motive was, say, anger over an eviction or infidelity or something specific, wouldn't you still be worried that the murderer might kill again just to escape being caught?

People in town must be petrified.

[quote] He doesn't.

Bitch!

North Dakota's Finest are hard at work on the case!

[quote]The killer is not in custody, but is not believed to be dangerous. Huh? Wouldn't anyone with a modicum of common sense consider someone who has MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE to be dangerous?

It’s because the killer said he was sorry and would never do it again. Relax!

Any news?

R483 mentioned the Burrous saga, and that got me thinking. Did police recover any massage tables or DJ style lighting?

Ben may not be as desperate to leave North Dakota as DL thinks he is. He seems to have created a pleasant life for himself, is well-adjusted, has a good support network, and even cares deeply for his frau flyoverstani co-workers.

Ben should come to DL and offer lessons on "How Not to be a Noxious Cunt."

Day three on Mystery at RJR.

If Ben ever googles himself, he'll get an eyeful with this thread.. lol. I hope we find out what happened, and is not swept under a carpet. I'm really curious about this crime.

Whoever starts part 2 of this thread should use a pic of Ben for the header.

[quote]Wouldn't anyone with a modicum of common sense consider someone who has MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE to be dangerous?

Only four? Pffffft.

The first responders said that the crime scene was one of the worst they had ever seen. Unless it's a poison that causes your head to explode and arms to fall off, I don't see how that a poison attack crime scene could rattle a seasoned first responder.

The police, in describing the situation, used the word "containment" of the scene. I am so intrigued. One doesn't "contain" a shooting scene. What the hell was it?

^ more precisely, they said "containment of the scene took awhile"

Radioactive uranium.

Killer bees

Is Ben a Samantha, a Charlotte, a Miranda or a Carrie?

I can’t believe nothing has leaked about what’s going on. Aren’t there some crazy reddit theories out there?

Plenty of security cameras and the cops saying that no one else is in danger because they know this was an isolated incident, and they are certain it wasn't murder-suicide.

They have to have a suspect, it doesn't make any sense otherwise. But why no arrest? Why still asking for information? Why hiding the cause and time of death?

I'm inclined to believe that the police saying they hadn't yet identified the bodies was simply a delaying tactic, or there was just one victim they couldn't identify (maybe the employee who wasn't listed on the company's webpage), or perhaps they couldn't find family information for him. Bri seems to have been told pretty early about her parents, though not given any information as to HOW they died.

Don't have my headphones so I don't know what they reveal, if anything, but here's some of the scanner calls as the first reports came in.

Wait, the scanner calls are transcribed.

Okay, apparently whoever called 911 was doing CPR. Surely they weren't stabbed, then? You don't do CPR for stabbing.

And it sounds like the officers not only left the scene after realizing people were dead, but canceled other units? Am I reading that right? What the hell.

[quote]seasoned first responder.

They’re in flyoverstan Nebraska. I hardly would call them “seasoned,” though I agree with the gist of your post.

Self-immolation!

The only thing that fits here: the murderer is a ghost! Other people aren't in jeopardy because they don't work at this haunted workplace.

One of the inaudible parts of the scanner is the officer saying "we have more injuries at RJR, one with a" and I can't make it out, unfortunately.

The other inaudible part is "can you repeat that?", which isn't very illuminating.

Very weird.

[quote]Okay, apparently whoever called 911 was doing CPR. Surely they weren't stabbed, then? You don't do CPR for stabbing.

Yes, you do. Specifically if the 911 operator doesn’t ask some pertinent questions and is merely going under the “they’re not breathing” that the caller may have told him.

[quote]And it sounds like the officers not only left the scene after realizing people were dead, but canceled other units? Am I reading that right? What the hell.

From my experience, if a hot call comes in you may have numerous units racing to get there. Once you find out there’s nothing they can do when those other units get there—such as CPR has stopped because the person is obviously dead—you call off the other units so you don’t have them risking their lives to get there only to possibly contaminate a crime scene. Too many cops around may not always be good.

[quote]The only thing that fits here: the murderer is a ghost!

Bitch, please. I’m friendly!

[quote]One of the inaudible parts of the scanner is the officer saying "we have more injuries at RJR, one with a" and I can't make it out, unfortunately.

He said two words after that. I couldn’t make out the second word but it was “one with a TRAUMA...”

Perhaps the perp scrawled “here’s your fucking late fee” in blood on the wall, and the police figure he’s otherwise harmless since he obviously passed the background check to be a tenant?

Going by the photos of the scene we saw, R534, there were quite a few police officers there, and that even the Barniest of Fifes knows not to contaminate a crime scene.

A dispatcher is not going to immediately tell someone to do CPR if they have no idea what is wrong with the person who's down, because there are plenty of situations where CPR would actively harm the injured/sick person. For a person bleeding from an injury, you'd want a second person applying pressure to the wound as you did CPR. If there was no second person, you wouldn't necessarily advise CPR, not unless they could get a tourniquet on the wound that was effective.

[quote]And it sounds like the officers not only left the scene after realizing people were dead,

They didn’t leave the scene per se, as in getting in their cars and leaving. They meant they were backing out of the scene, more than likely to preserve the integrity of the crime scene.

Yeah, but a guy who did that would be a guy who would shoot at someone trying to take him in, R537.

You're probably right, R539. I thought perhaps they were saying the ambulances arrived so they were leaving since everyone was dead. But if the officer noticed a trauma wound/injury, then surely they would have stayed, it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Judge yourself but in the scanner audio I'm pretty sure he is saying one is a "trauma arrest."

"traumatic cardiac arrest (TCA) is a condition in which the heart has ceased to beat due to blunt or penetrating trauma, such as a stab wound to the thoracic area. It is a medical emergency which will always result in death without prompt advanced medical care"

R538, if a person tells a 911 operator that someone is not breathing and doesn’t know if they are “beyond help,” the operator absolutely would advise CPR. Regardless of the injuries, if CPR is not started death is a guarantee. Now, I suppose you could ask the caller to just sit there and do nothing since no one else is around to apply pressure, but that doesn’t make sense.

The photos we’re seeing of the scene will have a lot of people. They’re after word got out and the Crime Scene Unit, Detectives, Patrol cops and their supervisors and the coroner to remove the bodies will all be there. So of course it looks like a lot.

And the Barniest of Fifes knows not to contaminate the crime scene, huh? Would you consider the LAPD a fairly experienced department in that regard? See: People v. Simpson, OJ

That’s one thing I don’t get about this secrecy of the police:

You’ve got four dead, no suspect in custody, you’re actively searching for a suspect, but the general public is not in any danger? How can you be so sure.

I wish those Nebraskan reporters were a little nicer than lobbing softball questions and accepting the Chief’s answer so easily.

North Dakota, Rose at R543.

I wondering if the victims were bludgeoned

Someone earlier in the thread said "Nebraska" by mistake and now it's spreading!

Bizarre sex component would explain the reticence.

R543 I know police said the violence was specific to the dead individuals ( I presume he meant targeted) ; but wharf its some freak who decides today is the day he takes care of all the family business? Anyone who has ever interacted with him or gets in his way could be at risk.

[quote] but wharf its some freak

Of the photos of responders and law enforceement units on the RJR grounds, I did not see anyone in Haz-Mat suits so some noxious gas released into the building is rued out.

I'm intrigued by "special kind of evil" -- dismemberment? If it were poison then it'd be something everyone working at RJR would ingest. What do all white Americans between the age of 40 and 50 eat and drink at work? Carafes poisoned with decaf and regular coffee? Rat poison substitution for 'Skinny & Sweet' artificial low-cal sweetener?

R549 according to my device "wharf its" is how one spells "what if it's"

R548, I agree with you. That’s why I’m kind of angry with the press.

[quote] according to my device "wharf its" is how one spells "what if it's"

Wharf tits

Ben's Facebook says that RJR is open today.

I know there's a guy on this thread who disagrees, but if they were so visibly injured as to be dismembered or decapitated or something similar, no one would have done CPR.

It's possible someone panicked and did CPR and just told the dispatcher they were going to do it, I suppose. But I have to think there was a reason they did, i.e. the person showed signs of life, they didn't look injured, they looked like they could be saved, something.

A useful reference tool for the NYC brigade.

Four people including one of the owners are murdered in your building on Monday, and on Wednesday you're open?

[quote]Ziegler says the medical examiner is in the process of performing autopsies on the bodies to determine the causes of death.

Sigh. Either the cops are lying, or they weren't shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, or blown up.

[quote]The other issue Ziegler really focused in on is asking for the public's assistance. He says if you have any video from the area, or if you have noticed anything suspicious at all over the last several weeks, or months, to please contact the police.

Weeks or months?!

But R557, what if some tenant has a leaky faucet or a broken window or something? I promise you that they wouldn't care if the whole staff had been killed, they're going to write a bad Google review if RJR doesn't get someone over to their apartment right this minute!!

Rents have to be collected and processed, employees must be paid. I hope the coffee pots were thoroughly cleaned out or replaced, stale donuts removed, and the dairy replaced with unopened packages of non-dairy creamers. I wonder if someone involved in the Spring Clean used some industrial cleanser to contaminate food or drink or the water cooler.

We need to guess the twink’s type and send someone undercover to Mandan stat. Who do we have in Fargo?

I mean, Jackie's husband was murdered (who knows how, or why, or by whom) Monday morning but BY GOD on Wednesday morning she's there to cash those rent checks. It's the first of the month, you know.

R555, I’m the one you think would disagree with you, but your assessment is spot on.

They’re open?!

Woo hoo! Now we can get a DLer to go there and inspect the crime scene.

Is someone going to start a part two? This one's almost done.

From Reddit:

[quote] If you read Google reviews for the business, three months ago, one person was quite upset and management stated it was turning into harassment and told the customer to no longer contact them directly.

I’ll bet it was a pit bull. Or one of those other kinds of dogs that ex cons like to raise. I’ll bet the business had security dogs that went berserk and tore everyone’s throats out. Then the dogs took off for some freedom before being brought to justice for their crimes.

r567 the public would be endangered by pit bulls running amok.

Here's a comment an RJR employee made in Google Reviews in response to a one-star review:

[italic] UPDATE: Kaylynn, after a phone call just made to our office, we feel this is getting to be harassment and are formally in writing asking you to no longer contact us directly. Please reach out to our attorney's office with any further questions or concerns. [/italic]

[quote] Kaylynn

Doesn't Ben write those comments, R568?

And here's another one from four months ago that involved the cops:

[quote]Matt, We have guidelines and rules set in place to ensure the safety and comfort of all of our residents. After receiving a police report we found you did not comply with the lease terms and conditions.

Kaylynn's review is detailed but not harassment. She even includes pictures. For them to respond that it IS harassment is a pretty dick move, to be honest.

Part 2 awaits

Oops

I love DL. This is better than the Soft Butch Sous Chef case mainly because this one has an open and out gay element (Ben).

Am I the only one seeing bulge in Ben’s onesie pic or is it my imagination?

This is a link to Kaylynn's review, and I notice the first comment from RJR is "yeah, well everyone else has only had awesome things to say about the home."

Sure, I'm sure that's true, and she just faked those photos of bad repair work.

So who's calling to check in on Ben? It feels like the right time for him to know of his following here.

Why is R578 trying to get this thread deleted?

I’m not convinced Ben would find this thread comforting.

Nor amusing.

I see Google Reviews comments from company employees Suzette W and Shelbe N, which under Yelp.com guidelines would be tagged 'not recommended.'

The inside job angle makes more sense though. Three men and one woman were murdered, in a large crime scene area inside the building, so not limited to lobby/counter/front office .

I haven't seen their review page. Is there a pattern of dick moves as a general business practice?

R579 I'm not trying to write him or flag anyones posts but the next thread starts with him in his onesie...that seems more risky than suggesting something in jest.

Of course not. He just lost people he obviously was close to in a crazy murder, and DLers used that fact to immediately start fantasizing about sending him money so he'll come sit on their faces. All while publishing personally identifying information and joking about how awful his friends and co-workers were.

We've had way too many DLers alert people to threads we've had on them, so I don't assume any of these "let's contact Ben" posts are jokes. Some are probably real, if history is any indication.

Bitch.

Fantastic. I don't have inline images on so I had no idea R574 did that.

Oops. Must lay off weed

[quote] Is there a pattern of dick moves as a general business practice?

No just by Ben in the supply closet.

Were the croissandwiches laced with Rid-o-Rat?

It was the mincing ribbon clerk!

Frasier Crane’s Nightmare Inn

Doubling down on my theory at r451

Thanks r574 for the second thread.

For all of the pearl clutchers here, gentle reminder, Ben is an adult with a public profile, and a social media presence that he has not set to "private". No one is trying to do him harm. He's a big boy now. I know, they grow up so fast.

Settle down, R585

"Careless" -- does that mean not properly capping the ammonia and bleach jugs after Spring Clean use in the supply closet?

I’ve dealt with many property management companies - as a renter, a landlord, and HOA president - and can say I have yet to find one that is truly good. Ineptitude, indifference, and combativeness abound. All they are really good at is cashing the checks.

The tenant who wrote the Google review had valid concerns and, at least from RJR’s response, they were not being adequately addressed. And to be accused of harassment on top of it. RJR sounds like a typical property management company and probably has made many a foe over the years.

[quote]Were the croissandwiches laced with Rid-o-Rat?

I thought it was Skinny and Sweet!

Could the police be lying or hiding that this was a shooting, because they don't want this crime to turn into another national story? I can't think of many ways someone could kill four people at once without a gun.

New thread:

Ben P.