Leaving Neverland, Part 12

Michael Disgusting Jackson has been known as a dirty pedophile since 1993,when he paid a 13 year old boy 20m to go away. By 2009, he had bankrupt himself paying off boys and staff. His guilt over raping more than a hundred children led to a lethal addiction to benzos and opiates.

Like Macbeth, Jackson had murdered sleep, and had to beg every night to be hooked up to an anaesthetic drip by his tame doctor.

On 25th June 2009, karma did its thing and the monstrosity that was Michael finally passed away, much to the relief of 7 year old boys everywhere.

R1 Wade Robson's story has already been heavily torn apart and discredited in terms of timeline, behavior, legal contradictions, etc.

Safechuck's story was presumed immune to most of these contradictions, but Dan Reed himself has confirmed that James Safechuck lied about a detail as significant as this. It is not an incident of "they were 7 year old boys" either. You do not confuse "he traded me in when I was 12" with "the abuse actually went on until I was almost 18."

Many on social media in the "Leaving Neverland" hashtags have changed their opinions because of this major reversal.

Now that two more of Michael Jackson' accusers have been caught lying in such massive ways, it is only further proof that Jackson's legacy and multibillion dollar estate will be entirely unaffected by these claims in the long run.

I wonder how long it will take Safechuck and Robson to crowdfund and collect the 70k in legal fees before even more damning proof forces them to concede they lied about other details as well.

Elsewhere in Safechuck's sworn declaration. Give it up Dan. You've been busted. Safechuck's tale in Leaving Neverland is a provable lie.

I thought Safechuck said Jackson only “traded him in” as the Primary Boy husband, not that the hookups stopped completely.

You are a scumbag and a liar, OP.

R5 Nope. Mr Smallcombe told Mirror Online: "The deficiency in Safechuck’s story is this - construction on Neverland’s train station didn’t start until the latter part of 1993, and it didn’t open until the first part of 1994, when Safechuck was 16.

"So abuse in the train station wasn’t possible if the abuse stopped in 1992, as he claims in his testimony, as it didn't even exist then. There's a two year difference."

Jacko was apparently away on the Dangerous Tour and then in rehab in London the entire time the train station was being constructed in 1993.

R6 If I'm lying, Dan Reed is lying.

I suggest you click on his tweet in the OP and see the reply to Smallcombe for yourself.

R5 You can read his own statement here. After he reads puberty, he says "and then his sexual abuse of me stopped."

What next? James was a late bloomer and even though at 16/17 he was taller than Michael, “his” puberty actually didn’t hit until 1994, thus explaining y his abuse ending date was “wrong” accd’g to Reed??

Incredible. Safechuck really thought he could get away with it. I can only imagine the shame his family, friends, and coworkers are feeling right now that he would lie about something so serious as sexual abuse.

So @danreed1000 is now saying because the story has been debunked, suddenly the end of Safechuck’s abuse was when he was 16/17 rather than 14. It’s a three year discrepancy. Just hold your hands up, don’t change the story. This is what happens when you don’t investigate properly.

I do not understand this particular strategy of lying as the videos are still up on the OWN website.

R12 Oprah deleted the entire date range of videos on her Instagram, Twitter, and Youtube accounts related to the film's premiere and her interview with its accusers.

But the videos still being up on her "OWN website" means you don't understand what people are talking about. You're the typical Leaving Neverland truther.

"Remember all those journalist and blue check marks telling us MJ was a monster/pedo and “just watch the movie”. Well now that we have watched LN, and have poke more holes in it than a cheese grater, where are all those arrogant people now? Sooo quiet. Facts don’t lie, People do"

Another interesting set of lies about the film that were overshadowed by proof of Safechuck's now debunked claims.

I'm almost at the point where I don't care if Safechuck or Robson are lying, or what they may be lying about. Bottom line: Michael Jackson is 100% responsible for the destruction of his own reputation. He was a legal adult who allowed minor children in and to take over his life.

Don't have a single ounce of sympathy for Jackson. He is not a victim, though the people who knew him are.

R16 It's been confirmed Safechuck and Robson have lied about MANY details in their lawsuits. The primary question was "is it more likely or not they are lying about the abuse."

Wade Robson crossed that threshold almost two weeks ago, and Dan Reed's admission just pushed Safechuck there too. No one believes he was being sexually molested at 17 years old, or that he was replaced by Brett (who has denied any abuse and said the claims were false from the beginning).

I frankly could not care less about the details of this case anymore. In my opinion Michael Jackson is a sexual corrupter of children and Leaving Neverland or 100 other documentaries will not change my mind.

Michael was a pedophile. Safechuck and Robeson were abused, but they didn't have a problem with it as long as they got money from Michael. They gave sworn depositions that Michael never abused them. Robeson got up in court and testified that Michael never abused him. These acts allowed Michael to get away with abusing children and to get away with the crimes. They are both fucking liars. I can't be sure if they are lying before or lying now or if they aren't embellishing what happened to them.

These 2 cunts only came out with these tales of abuse when they ran out of money that Jackson gave them. These 2 filthy scumbags owe those children Michael got away with abusing apologies. A televised apology.

They should be ashamed of themselves and they should IMMEDIATELY be brought up on criminal felony charges of perjury, plus aiding and abetting a child molester. If Michael were alive and still paying them, they wouldn't be saying a damned thing about any of this

OP, we all saw what went on at that farce of the World Music Awards in Monaco in plain sight: a 40 something creep masturbating himself by rocking a boy on his lap while Albert of Monaco sat next to him looking increasingly uncomfortable. One of the most outrageous things ever put to air.

I hate to admit it but the true victims here are Wade and James. They dug themselves into a pit of lies and deception that will follow them for the rest of their natural lives. They even fooled Oprah (although it isn't the first time she has been tricked: Google "James Frey" for a very similar story)

Neither will ever be able to hold a normal job again. Their mental issues will exacerbate even worse with the stink of falsifying a sexual abuse claim, or even being a sexual abuse accuser against Michael Jackson.

Their lives are over as they know it, and that includes their children and parents. If they can recover from the financial harm (70k in legal fees, court costs owed to the estate)and no settlement then there is still no guarantee that they will ever overcome the reputation harm that they demanded be brought onto themselves..

Lipstick on a pig.

Two fucking grifters. I believe they were abused, but they were cool with it for decades afterwards, as long as they were still getting money from Jackson to keep quiet. That was their choice

They've already been paid off. They made a deal with the devil and a deal is a deal. They don't deserve any more money. They chose to continue to consort with their abuser and help him to commit more crimes against children and escape any criminal responsibility. They're almost worse than Jackson

R24 If that was true, and they were abused, then Safechuck would not have to be a time traveler making up abuse incidents at places that didn't exist, in years they weren't even at Neverland. The story would fit into place without so many massive lies.

Sorry, lawyer shills for the Jackson Estate.

There have been too many independent victims, witnesses and payoffs testifying that Wacko Jacko abused little boys. Distortions or minor fact confusion -- BECAUSE NOBODY CAN REMEMBER EVERYTHING CORRECTLY 40 YEARS LATER -- does not remove conclusive proof that Jackson was a pedo.

GIVE IT UP. NOBODY BELIEVES YOU ANYMORE, JACKSON STANS!

R25 Well it is simply not possible to check all the facts from a historic, over thirty year old abuse claim. Especially when the accused person was a crazy and paranoid drug addict. That's why giving the documentary context of having James and Wade talk in a intimate and personal way resonated with many people. It's not like either of them were under police interrogation at the time of filming.

R26: "BECAUSE NOBODY CAN REMEMBER EVERYTHING CORRECTLY 40 YEARS LATER:

Nice try, but forgetting that you were abused at 17 instead of 12/13 when you hit puberty isn't a "can't remember" situation. You used that one up for every other massive inconsistency. His sworn declaration specifically says "When I fully reached puberty, DOE 1 began spending his time with Brett instead of me and then his sexual abuse of me stopped." Proof attached.

R28 "That's why giving the documentary context of having James and Wade talk in a intimate and personal way resonated with many people."

And it is also why it's so beautiful to see people turning on them as the facts destroyed their anecdotal accounts and they were assessed 70k in court costs and fees payable to the estate.

That's Jackson's fault again. Jackson is the only person who could have exonerated himself, but he never changed his ways and now no change is possible. His legal team did and adequate job but he did nothing in the public's eye to quell their fears and suspicions. That's why this case has gone from the courts into the public arena again, nothing to stop that happening is there?

Safechuck exposed again! Stephanie and James also lied about when Michael purchased Neverland. They claim he bought the property in 1988 when documents prove it was actually 1987. You can add that to James lying about being estranged from Jackson in 93, the Grammy awards, and being threatened to testify in the 2005 trial.

R32 The MAJOR lies revealing multi-year discrepancies in their stories, as well as claims of being molested in places that weren't built until they were 16 and 17 (when they claimed the abuse ended at 12 and 13) is more damning than when Neverland was built.

R33 I know, but it's still amazing to think that almost every word that came out of Safechuck's mouth was a lie.

And on top of everything else, you have the Gutierrez connection.

What has the time when Michael purchased Neverland have anything to do with Safechuck? Don't be so pedantic and ridiculous.

R30, nobody is turning on them. The only people who care that James messed up dates is the truthers. In other words, nobody that matters really cares.

I doubt James read Michael Jackson was my Lover, but the person he was in contact with before the lawsuit was none other than Diane Dimond who was a close associate of Gutierrez.

R37 Lol, that's hilarious. Search any social media site for LN and this is all people are talking about.

Dan Reed's cooky attempt to cover up that Safechuck got the dates of abuse wrong completely destroyed his timeline. Also, you couldn't have been molested in a train station that didn't exist until well after the last time you were at Neverland. Just like Jackson wouldn't have threatened you with perjury and jail for not helping with a lawsuit you couldn't participate in. Timeline issues have debunked his claim, and it's the talk of the town.

R36 James say Michael purchased the home for Jimmy and that one day it would be his.

R40 OH YEAH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT! LMAO!! Awkward...You would have a better chance convincing that jury in 2005 that Gavin's entire family was kidnapped and held hostage at Neverland than MJ buying Neverland for him. I mean talk about a mentally ill man, James is full of lies and nonsense.

[quote] I frankly could not care less about the details of this case anymore. In my opinion Michael Jackson is a sexual corrupter of children and Leaving Neverland or 100 other documentaries will not change my mind.

Well, you can thank James and Wade for making it more difficult for genuine abuse victims to come forward. Jackson was tried for 93 and 05 simultaneously and now you can add LN being debunked. That's three times over a period of decades where Jackson will be vindicated.

R39 - yes, his defenders. Most other people aren't hanging out on multiple social media sites reading about MJ. The vast majority of people watched the documentary, formed their opinion, maybe commented about it for a few days and then moved on. The only people left are those like you, who are frankly preaching to the choir. His remaining fanbase has already been deemed insane and cult like by mainstream media, so most people don't care what you're screeching about.

R42 Agreed, the unfortunate thing is that the many people who actually have (and still are being abused) in America every single day will see these two's lives destroyed and withhold legitimate allegations. All because of a shoddy, poorly executed attempt to get what, money? 1.5 billion....shameful.

R42 Wade and James have made it easier. Psycho Jackson fans are the ones who will make it difficult for any more abused to come forward. I guess Jackson fans will pat themselves on the back for contributing to that effort.

R43 Lol, okay then. I'm sure the thousands of people making posts and tweets commenting on this new development that debunks Safechucks' claims are totally "insane." I guess Oprah is insane too for deleting her Instagram, YouTube, and Twitter posts with the accusers too, huh?

R45 A faked abuse claim makes it "easier" for real victims to come forward. Sure.

[quote] The only people left are those like you, who are frankly preaching to the choir. His remaining fanbase has already been deemed insane and cult like by mainstream media, so most people don't care what you're screeching about.

That may be true right now but the mainstream media won't sleep on this forever. A blu ray release is already listed for preorder, the movie was submitted for awards recognition, and Dan Reed is still promoting it. He'll either have to face the music or withdraw the film which will only give it more attention.

Of course Dan Reed will stand by his work. It has been critically applauded, and all the respectable journals are not going to change their views because of amateur debunkers in the Jackson fanbase.

Currently, Leaving Neverland has a stellar 98% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes (based on 89 reviews), and on Metacritic it holds 85 out of 100, indicating "universal acclaim".

Award season is around the corner, and I would not be surprised if LN gets nominated for Oscar, certainly it will be a very strong Emmy contender this season.

R49 Lol, imagine how stupid they will feel when James' debunked claims about abuse hit the mainstream press. I hope they have him on suicide watch, because I am genuinely concerned the shame of being called out as a proven liar might kill him.

Lmao, the Mirror has been the preferred tabloid of anti-MJ haters for 2 weeks now. I wonder if now that they are writing about this MJ haters will admit British tabloids aren't stellar examples of journalism.

"James Safechuck's Michael Jackson abuse claims 'exposed as pure fiction'

R49 All of which will make the inevitable fallout all the more epic.

Please, you are embarrassing yourself and the last few remaining composed people in the Jackson camp with this "train station" nonsense.

R49 This isn't Triumph of the Will, which has historical value. No one will want to watch a 4 hour movie about graphic child abuse where all of the details have been rigorously debunked. Even if James comes up with another excuse or explanation, it wouldn't be in the movie. Dan Reed may be able to cut some parts out, but he can't edit new parts in. Doesn't work that way.

R53 It could have been dismissed as nonsense (you had people go to comically ridiculous lengths to make it work, like claiming that Safechuck was talking about a treehouse) but Dan Reed basically confirming that Safechuck's timeline was wrong on Twitter effectively ended that debate and did monumental damage to both of their credibility.

R53 Safechuck claimed in his 2014 lawsuit against Jackson’s Estate that he was abused from 1988 until 1992, when he was 14. The alleged victim, now 41, said that he was abused in an upstairs room in Neverland’s train station. That train station was not built until Safechuck was 16. Yet he swore that "when I fully reached puberty, DOE 1 began spending his time with Brett instead of me and then his sexual abuse of me stopped."

That's not "train station" nonsense. It's a complete destruction of his narrative, and that is most likely why Oprah removed all of the promos and interviews about Leaving Neverland from her Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube accounts. When your biggest, most vocal supporter (Oprah Winfrey) distances herself from you then it's just a matter of time as the rest of the media catches up and reports on your lies.

Nothing has been as you say "rigorously debunked". Leaving Neverland will proudly hold its place as one of the stand out and influential films of 2019.

R57 Leaving Neverland's 15 minutes of fame ran out two weeks ago.

The odd celebrity responses in favor of MJ no less, lies and contradictions in the film, and Dan Reed's attempts to cover up major discrepancies like this one are the only things receiving the attention now.

LN won't win an award, but the Jackson estate will when they settle with HBO. In fact, they already did when the courts ordered Safechuck and Robson to pay in excess of 70k in legal fees to them.

Jackson’s apologists on here are delusional and disgusting. All this stuff they say has been debunked? It hasn’t been.

The guy was a fucking pedophile, and MJ stans are here to bash his victims. Pathetic.

R58, exactly right. Most people now believe Michael is a pedophile and that title will forever be attached to his name. No one is checking for minor discrepancies in the doc at this point.

R60 Just wait...

Apparently all of these massive inconsistencies are “easily mixed up details" according to Leaving Neverland truthers, who are desperate to believe the graphic pedophile fiction that is Leaving Neverland. That seems to be to go to answer for anything wrong about Robson and Safechuck’s allegations.

Except it's not minor details, and he has had 8 years to get his story straight, and an entire lifetime if you believe he was actually abused (I don't.) He said he got molested in a place that was built after a timeframe of when he never could have been there, and when he was 16 despite claiming under oath the abuse stopped years before. It makes absolutely no sense and there is no excuse for it.

What infuriates me are the ones who say they would support James and Wade on principle even if they might be lying. Do they even realize what kind of disservice this does to actual victims?

I'd tread more carefully if I was a Jackson fan. Going over zealously on to social media and attacking two victims of child abuse with the goals of a: discrediting the claims that have been made and b: bullying more victims who wish to come forward into remaining quiet. Certainly, with someone who was as brazenly pedophillic as Jackson was, we are bound to see more smoking guns that involve his perversions in the coming years.

That image is profoundly creepy and inappropriate, R63.

Funny how one or two new-to-DL pro-pedo trolls spend all their time spamming lies here, and because a similarly small number of other deranged whackjobs do so on other social media sites, they try to claim there is some sort of pro-pedo quorum regarding Jackson’s innocence. There isn’t. The average person remains convinced that MJ was a pedophile.

It’s unfortunate that McCartney’s comments were made to a South American journalist, because otherwise they’d be getting more press. Of course McCartney pretends nobody knew (what else can he say, especially with Sean Lennon involved?), but his comments are remarkably similar to what he said about Jimmy Savile a couple years back. He knows they were both prolific pedophiles.

"Psycho Jackson fans are the ones who will make it difficult for any more abused to come forward. "

That seems to be the goal. For lords sake why. Evil people invested too much in some party music and some limited-bag-of-tricks tap dancing.

If minor discrepancies over minor details 40 years ago are enough to “destroy Safechuck’s and Robson’s lives” and exonerate Jackson, then the Jackson estate has an air-tight slander, defamation and libel case on their hands.

So why aren’t the Jacksons suing Safechuck and Robson for slander?

You won’t see it because the train station claim can’t erase all the other witnesses and payoffs.

SHUT UP UNLESS THE JACKSONS WIN A SLANDER SUIT, WACKO STANS!

STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH!!!

Stop with the faux concern for victims, R63. If and when more victims of Michael come forward, you will be trying to discredit them too.

Why does everyone ignore that Jason Francia testified that he was molested by Michael and paid 2.5 million?

I'm thrilled that Michael Jackson musical is no longer happening. His music aside from a couple of song was just TERRIBLE. They should revamp the Queen "We Will Rock You" musical and bring that to Broadway. Queen and Freddie Mercury are hotter than ever right now.

Pedo Jacko

Just because the train station incident DIDN'T occur at the time Safechuck specified in his lawsuit doesn't mean that other hookups didn't occur later.

Safechuck was suing for ABUSE — CHILD ABUSE. So it makes sense that he would only take issue with the sexual incidents that occurred BEFORE PUBERTY in court.

Robson and Safechuck both freely admitted in Finding Neverland that they kept up a sexual, friendly and sponsor relationship with Michael Jackson into adulthood. They simply said that the sex became rarer, lousier and that Michael picked a new Favorite Primary Boy every year; that Michael preferred pre-pubescents.

None of that negates what Safechuck said in court.

And where is the proof the train station wasn't a pre-existing building before the train tracks were completed? Where is the proof a pre-existing building wasn't converted into the train station? Why couldn't Jackson and Safechuck have had sex in the train station while it was under construction?

This whole Smallcombe reveal may warrant an explanation from Safechuck, but it's still a BIG NOTHINGBURGER!

All y'all Wacko Jacko-stans need to take a good, hard look at the Man in the Mirror.

Beat it, R72, unless you wanna be startin’ something in which case you will end up off the wall with your blood on the dance floor.

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R74 Talk about a nothing burger. Everyone who knew Jackson got similar letters including Jackson's nieces and nephews and even his sound engineer.

[quote] Robson and Safechuck both freely admitted in Finding Neverland that they kept up a sexual, friendly and sponsor relationship with Michael Jackson into adulthood. They simply said that the sex became rarer, lousier and that Michael picked a new Favorite Primary Boy every year; that Michael preferred pre-pubescents.

Neither Safechuck or Robson ever say such a thing either in their deposition or in the film. Both of them say they were replaced by Brett Barnes and Macauly Culkin. If Jackson transitioned into hardcore sex with them while they were adults, then how could they justify not knowing it was abuse? At the time, both of them had girlfriends and knew of their sexual identity. Safechuck doesn't even make the claim that he had sex with Jackson after 92. Safechuck doesn't even mention visiting Neverland after 92. He accompanied Jackson with his wife during the History era.

[quote] And where is the proof the train station wasn't a pre-existing building before the train tracks were completed? Where is the proof a pre-existing building wasn't converted into the train station? Why couldn't Jackson and Safechuck have had sex in the train station while it was under construction?

It wasn't even under construction until 93, again after the alleged abuse ended. If Safechuck were to allege that Jackson abused him as a teenager we would have to believe that Jackson did so during the Chandler investigation and during the time he was married to Lisa Marie.

None of this makes any sense.

It's a bit odd that he released two songs criticising female groupies ("Billie Jean" and "Dirty Diana") when he almost certainly had no experience with them.

Dan Reed shifted the timeline of Jimmy's alleged abuse so James confusing the train station is a moot point now. Now we are led to believe that Jackson abused Jimmy during the period where Safechuck and his family were not at Neverland, while Michael was under investigation, and while he was married.

"Robson and Safechuck both freely admitted in Finding Neverland that they kept up a sexual, friendly and sponsor relationship with Michael Jackson into adulthood. They simply said that the sex became rarer, lousier and that Michael picked a new Favorite Primary Boy every year; that Michael preferred pre-pubescents."

LOL WHAT

r76 is just lying now.

Go re-watch the documentaries. Jackson maintained sponsorship and infrequent sexual contact AFTER Safechuck's and Robson's "Primay Boy" years.

None of it is in conflict with their prior lawsuits.

I see how damning the train station incident is (didn't happen) just like the threatening "you'll go to jail or perjury/whatever" phone call was that obviously didn't happen, and it really puts a huge shadow on the rest of his abuse claims.

If you'd lie about one for money (and you couldn't have been there) then what else have you lied about? Were you even abused?

There seems to be more of a case regarding this train station than Joy Robson liking Michael Jackson posts on Facebook after they came out against him.

R67 "So why aren’t the Jacksons suing Safechuck and Robson for slander?"

You cannot defame a dead person and so the estate cannot sue (or won't frivolously do so, like W and J.) If Jackson was alive, he almost certainly would sue them and win since they are claiming he abused people who have said they were not abused. Nevertheless, his children are now considering legal action as well so that will be interesting.

It's got to be Jackson haters trolling with this "train station" bullshit... Surely even Jackson fans aren't as dumb as this?

The original deranged psycho fan base seems to still hold the crown. Here I thought stefani germanotta's was about to take over that title.

Safechuck has been caught lying about many things that, if taken on their own would be inconsequential, but taken altogether its quite damning. The train station lie has been the biggest lie so far. It will be interesting to see how Safechuck responds to this.

It's not just Jackson fans. Investigative journalists are going through every legal document, permits, witness testimonies, video footage. I'm glad Jackson is getting the defense anyone of us would deserve if we were subject to such serious accusations.

[quote]...with your blood on the dance floor.

More like blood on the Underoos.

R83 How is it "train station bullshit?" James Safechuck provably lied in Leaving Neverland. There's absolutely no question about it now. Proven with actual, court-documented facts, confirmed by director Dan Reed on Twitter.

The accuser says he was abused in a place that didn't exist well after the last time he went to Neverland. That isn't a memory problem, but a clear, substantial lie.

Not only that, but he swore in the lawsuit that the abuse waned at 13 when Brett entered the picture (Brett notably says he was not abused), and ceased completely when he was 14. He would have been 16 when the train station was built, and you can see from the pictures he is much bigger than the pop star as a teen.

[quote]Safechuck has been caught lying about many things that, if taken on their own would be inconsequential, but taken altogether its quite damning.

Funny how the same thing can be said about MJ’s interaction with children and subsequent payoffs.

OMG how many times is the Jacko Stan gonna say the same bullet points over and over? And none of them stick.

R89 Except, none of those children have accused him of abuse, and he only settled with one of them--who never pursued criminal charges and who many believe was lying.

R90 The date he purchased the house was only important because Safechuck again lied and claimed Jackson had bought Neverland "for" him. By itself the detail is meaningless but in context it just disproves another of his claims.

Although this is a nice attempt to deflect from the fact that Safechuck claims he was abused in a place that didn't exist until well after he left Neverland, it does not hold up.

Damn, Jackson was WHITE.

I know Wade's story was heavily contradicted, and we've beat those to death in previous threads, but has his mother offered an explanation for why she was liking pro-Michael Jackson Facebook posts after May 2013?

R93 The details have been coming out fast and furious over the last 2-3 days. I don't think James, Wade, or their families have been seen on camera since.

R80 "None of it is in conflict with their prior lawsuits."

Are you serious? All of it is in conflict with their lawsuits. From his claim to be replaced by Barnes (who threatened to sue if he doesn't retract the lie) to claiming he was molested in a place that wasn't built yet until he was 16.

We don't have to guess, just read his sworn declaration (below).

Why is that the haters ignore the evidence, yet the MJ defenders are trying to uncover more evidence, going so far as to track down legal documents, permits, witness testimonies, and every little thing? It's because those who defend MJ are convinced he's absolutely innocent, while the media only cares about exploiting him just as they did during his lifetime. All of them ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Jesus Christ, get some therapy R96.

r20, you should've just stopped after your first sentence. Your post is like writing Charles Manson was a monster...then subsequently writing several paragraphs about how Sharon Tate was a whore.

Okay after reading the defense of Michael Jackson on this thread I am now more on the he was a PEDO team. You aren't helping his cause you come across as delusional female stans and the liberal use of LMAO, LOL and haters just backs that up. Did you escape from Lipstick Alley. And am in full agreement with R96 Therapy!!!!!!

If he would lie about something as blatant as being abused in a place that didn't exist, then what does that say for the rest of his claims? I mean you can't even skate through 'the place wasn't there and neither were you James/Jimmy' And he also can't backtrack and say the abuse ACTUALLY lasted 2 or 3 years later than he's been maintaining for 8 years without looking like an even bigger liar, either. He needs to produce an explanation that's better than the one Dan Reed gave about Wade "seeing" both Brandi and Michael Jackson at the same time. I just can't think of any excuse he could use.

Thousands of people are tweeting at Reed and even Oprah deleted all the stuff related to this from Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. The sheer volume of people pushing this is going to make all the "Cancel MJ" reporters reluctantly correct themselves like after Covington Catholic.

R99 "Okay"

I hope Wade and James have some kind of security in place. The MJ stans are some scary cunts.

You do not confuse "he traded me in when I was 12" with "the abuse actually went on until I was almost 18."

Did Jacko's nose ever fall off while it was stuck inside a 7-year old's booty?

I don't know how we were even tricked into this sensational crap. The entire thing about him only rimming them but being too inept to have sex never made sense. 16 year olds are sticking 10 inch dildos up their asses but Safechuck never got anything more than his anus licked?

[quote] I just can't think of any excuse he could use.

He might try to claim that Michael hypnotized him into thinking he was 12.

I thought a pedophile's sexuality would be stunted so to think of an accused pedophile have anal sex just seems ridiculous on its face. Even if young boys are "experimenting" with eachother at an early age, you can bet they are not taking it up the ass or sucking eachother off.

Glad we are ignoring the Jackson ass kissers, that sick pedophile's time is finally up. It took us long enough to face the truth seeing as Jackson was well known as a creepy , child obsessed pervert decades ago as evidenced in these very blunt statements linked below. There is no hope for the Jackson fans, their sense of well-being is tied totally to their fan worship and maintenance of his image as a naive innocent, hence their frantic gyrations here, they can never give up on their ruined icon, but theirs is a futile task , Jackson = pedophile.

Oprah has been getting death threats, serious ones from Pedo Jacko fans. If you are into trying to defend someone to that point you are insane.

R108 Norm is equating homosexuality with pedophilia. Tasteless, but then you remember Jackson critics are doing the exact same thing now to make James more credible.

R69, the Chicago run was cancelled but as far as I know, the Broadway run is still on.

THAT and the investment Sony just made in late 2018 in music rights are what is driving the backlash. The family/estate has the Sony $ but wants the show to rake in more. It is Sony generously funding crisis PR teams to protect their investment. The tactics are classic Sunshine Sachs. A small fraction of the purported fans may be real, if that. It is all about the $, not some love of 50 year old pop music.

r109, that's beyond fucked up. Totally believable, though - just look at how hateful and deranged the sockpuppets here are.

R107 I don't think it makes sense that child abusers are stunted sexually. They are adults, and those who abuse children try to have (adult) sex with them and know it is wrong but don't care. It's not being stunted, it's being a pedophile. So I don't really buy that he had access to all of these children and did not leave physical evidence with any of them.

I think it's extremely odd, but again not impossible, that jacking off with and being rimmed by Jackson is the sum total of what Safechuck says materialized after hundreds of alleged abuse incidents over 7 (but now 10+ per the new development) years. The "Jackson called me and said there was blood in my underwear" line seemed to me like Jimmy's attempt to try to show some level of escalation, but even that (like the 2005 phone call) doesn't really pass the smell test.

Wahhhhhh but the TRAIN STATION

These pedo MJ defenders are unbelievable. What a hill to choose to die on.

When Blanket turns 18, can he, Paris and Prince cut all financial ties with the greedy Jackson relatives? Those kids need to get help, then move the fuck on from all of them, because it's obvious none of them care about their well-being.

Paris is another Bobbi Kristina waiting to happen.

R11 Are you the same conspiracy theorists who thinks 'social media teams' (especially from Sony) invade DL to 'control conversations' and even thinks the Spaz Troll is a paid shill? If so, you also believe that all teenage performers get 'passed round' by older men and that this happened to Bieber and the One Direction kids too.

** R111 is a known conspiracy theorist poster who thinks 'social media teams' (especially from Sony) invade DL to 'control conversations'. He even thinks the Spaz Troll is a paid shill.

He also believes that all teenage performers get 'passed round' older men. He thinks this happened to Bieber and the One Direction kids too.

R115 "When Blanket turns 18, can he, Paris and Prince cut all financial ties with the greedy Jackson relatives?"

You know Jackson left his entire estate to his mother and his children right? As well as 20% to children's charities. His family (siblings) weren't given a percentage so I don't see how they are "greedy." Even if he had left them tens of millions, when any person dies with a significant amount of wealth (and the estate is know worth billions), leaving it to charity and family is the logical, normal thing to do.

The resident Jackson defender is obviously a pedo/has pedo tendencies himself, because that's the only reasonable explanation why he's so determined to defend a dead pop star.

The real question is why he believes a gay forum is going to somehow be more accepting of man/boy molestation.

R120 Rather than discuss the allegations, such as Safechuck's abuse claim at a place that didn't exist, and where he did not visit ever, why do you feel the need to attack other posters and call others a pedo? Your obsessive and frequent use of the insult to everyone you disagree with makes you seem like the pedophile trying to deflect.

R76 I can't W&W that post enough.

The MJ defenders are all pedos. They even express pedo fantasies on this very board.

OH BUT THE TRAIN STATION

MJ bankrupted himself paying off boys and staff. He raped over 100 children.

R123 Pedo pedo pedo. Your term for anyone who can think critically and not tell and justify repeated lies.

"He raped over 100 children"

Where are these children? Because they say Leaving Neverland is a crock and Wade/James are lying. One is even threatening to sue if they don't remove his name.

Jackson was homosexual R110 and a pedophile, ergo Jackson fits the homosexual pedophile label perfectly, any lack of taste , to put it extremely mildly, is Jackson's for wanting to fuck boys under 10 and yours for giving him a pass because you swoon over his janky music. Jackson was a homosexual, pedophile, drug addict. Let's hear those jokes again....scary that they aren't jokes at all but documentary.

R125 is deranged.

The 10 million dollar question is, how was Safechuck abused in a place that was built years after the last time he visited Neverland? I mean I know a good chunk of his story came from "MJ Was My Lover" but is he really going to claim the abuse was ongoing past 16 and contradict every one of his lawsuits?

Couldn't give a shit R126, nobody is reading your 'hot off the press' bullshit loopholes and 'contradictions' even though you are clearly devoting your empty life to cutting and pasting them. If LN never existed Jackson was still an obvious pedophile. Your hero was a pedophile.

James is disgusting. James is shameful. James is the worst type of person out there. He has set the sexual assault survivor movement back years by lying about being abused-- in a place that didn't even exist yet. A place that he wasn't even visiting at Neverland when it finally did exist. At a time when he had sworn the abuse had already ended years prior.

The 70k in legal fees is not enough money (not that they have any or can pay), the court should have ordered even more. The saving grace is that he will never get any financial settlement from the billion dollar estate. I hope the world never forgets his name, now that the truth is out there. (Photo from R63)

Whatever R128 and very poor artwork incidentally. Your hero is the world's most infamous pedophile.

"So my question is why would you do tribute shows and appreciate your abuser at every given chance I mean I would never appreciate my abuser much less dancing to my abuser's songs. Here's Wade in 2012 dancing to "Michael Jackson - Unbreakable" song..

R130

The Train Station!

70K in legal fees!

Brett Barnes !

Oprah erased videos!

Wade is an admitted liar!

James had a girlfriend when he said he was abused!

Dan said James lied!

Taj defends uncle M!

Robson’s mother!

Insurance company made MJ settle with Jordan!

Culkin! Lennon! and others say there was no abuse!

Staff sour grapes!

Neverland was a big place. The possibility that James mistook one creepy, child-orientated room for another creepy, child-orientated room isn't exactly shocking.

Again, what a hill to choose to die on. Stanky Jackson with his trashy music and spazzy dance moves.

OH BUT THE TRAIN STATION - this is all they have, against so many children speaking out.

R133 How could he have "mistook" any place that he hadn't ever seen? You're doing mental gymnastics at this point to make a story fit that has fallen apart.

He said he was molested in a train station. Also said his abuse slowed at 13, and stopped at 14. Said train station did not exist until 16. By that point he was not still at Neverland.

The only rational explanation is that he lied.

R134: "OH BUT THE TRAIN STATION - this is all they have, against so many children speaking out."

The children are speaking out (and have for some time), and they are all saying they were not abused. Of course, that didn't fit Dan Reed's narrative, which is why one is threatening to sue him and HBO and others have reaffirmed the abuse never occurred.

It's very creepy how you keep trying to turn people into victims who have denied or never made any allegations against Jackson. When you say "look at all the other children he abused" then you are pointing at two people from across as many decades. One of whom was shamed into hiding after being proven a liar, and the other settled with the insurance company against Jackson's will but never pursued criminal charges.

Hell is too good for Jacko. Hope he suffers for eternity.

Another reason the family is so determined to deflect...fucking monsters.

Jackson supporters are pure scum. These are people who were gloating with delight on the other thread that Wade Robsons father put a noose around his neck and hung himself out of despair of not being there to protect his son. They have sworn allegiance to Wacko Jacko in this life, the next and would probably be extremely grateful to give away their own child for molestation to Jackson if he were still alive. Like attracts like, and these people are the essence of pure scum.

I don't mean he mistook it at the time, R135. I mean that that his memories are mistaken. He may just remember being molested in a room that looked similar to the one above the train station, and retrospectively he got the location mixed up.

R139 Even still, those are a lot of sentences just to say he lied.

He gave very specific details about being molested in a room above the train station at Neverland. That station wasn't built until he was old enough (16 assuming that year) to remember specific places (as in he wasn't 7 or 10 but a high school student.) There is no way his memory is that poor, and his details so precise. He lied.

There are a number of other reasons this likely didn't happen, starting from Jackson being on the other side of the country in rehab, on tour, engaged to Lisa Presley, etc. to his sworn declaration and Leaving Neverland testimony the abuse stopped at 14. The major thing is he has been caught lying about being abused, and that makes his credibility the same as Gavin Arvizo.

[quote]Leaving Neverland's 15 minutes of fame ran out two weeks ago.

Nice try, Jan. Tomorrow will be the one month anniversary, and already over a dozen full threads. Still plenty of things to discuss about Leaving Neverland. Nice work that Wacko fans keep bumping the story up with theories about train stations.

R140, memory does not work the way you assume. You are embarrassing yourself.

[quote]There are a number of other reasons this likely didn't happen, starting from Jackson being on the other side of the country in rehab, on tour, engaged to Lisa Presley

...And here is Lisa Marie confessing that during their time together she could not ever get into the Jackson marriage bed, because there was always a little boy in there @ 21:00.

R136 through R143 is all the same person I had blocked, trying to desperately deflect from the fact that the man he had a hard-on for during a film about sexual abuse has been caught clearly fabricating the story.

R106 is on the money: He might try to claim that Michael hypnotized him into thinking he was 12.

You are a liar, R144. I am R142 but have made none of the other posts between R136 and now.

I mean the MJ-haters used the "his memory was mistaken" and "CSA is traumatic" excuses to try and cover every single lie and inconsistency so far.

If faking sexual abuse wasn't such a shameful act, then it would almost be funny to think James Safechuck traveled back in time to be abused at a place that didn't exist, and he never visited, especially with Jackson.

It seems as if this "serial pedophile" is suffering from a lack of any credible, honest accusers like every other one in existence. In fact, the "victims" LN truthers keep pointing to have denied the abuse, but they are harassing them trying to "force" a confession to support the now discredited Wade and James.

Rather than listen to the child (adult now) say no abuse happened, they would rather point to a former employee fired for stealing, who lost a defamation lawsuit, before selling to the tabloids years later, who then claimed firsthand knowledge of abuse. Right...

R143, that video is disturbing on so many levels.

R145 You're right. Only one of those posts was yours, the others were an ignored poster who responds by calling everyone he disagrees with a "pedo."

R143 Well we know that boy sure as heck wasn't his secretly wed husband Jimmy Safechuck. Do you think he got to keep Neverland in the divorce settlement? Only fair since he bought it for him...oh wait. Those dates didn't match either. Is polygamy even legal in the U.S.?

Yep.

Lisa is an addict and her most recent husband is a pedo. Not too hard to imagine what kind of wholesome childhood she had. Addicts do not make the most protective parents and the generational trauma just keeps rolling.

She was tasked with reeling Wacko into the COS. Not sure why she seems to be treated/regarded as though she is some Mr. Rogers figure?

I bet Oprah was more disappointed about this new development than CNN re: the Mueller report.

All that hype, just to clear all mention of the film and her interview from Twitter, Instagram, AND YouTube the minute Safechuck was caught time traveling/lying about abuse in the top room of a train station that didn't exist anytime he was at Neverland.

She should've preordered her own copy of pedo trash MJ Was My Lover (the source of many whacky claims) instead of listening to Safechuck's pervy adaptation.

It's sad how desperate anti-MJ haters are to create victims, sharing photos of Jackson with the very people who defend him, or were proven liars. Sorry hunny, you can't create victims...Dan Reed lied to ya, they don't exist.

Honestly, I hope Barnes follows through and sues HBO for even suggesting he was a victim amid his staunch denials.

r99 Preach! I noticed that too, it seems like there are a few stans here, some are clear idiots like you mentioned with the "Lol/lmao/haters" shit and then there are the "rational" ones like say r76, who pretend they are being thoughtful and really analyzing it. I have been on DL for awhile and I have seen some kooky shit but nothing as kooky as this. OP makes Vegas maid Clooney loon look like a reasonable person. I wasted all my FF's on this thread, damn it, but it had to be done. r100 What's your fucking point? thousands of people post that Trump is a genius and vaccines cause autism, it just means thousands of people are delusional morons like yourself. r128, Die in a fucking grease fire and take r63 with you.

Oh and dipshit at r152, maybe learn about double negatives, "anti-MJ haters" would be MJ lovers, either say "anti-MJ people" or "MJ haters". And the only reason anyone would sue HBO would be to try to prove to the disgusting Jackson family that they are worthy of still getting paid off and did not breach their contract. Oh and Paris Jackson tried to kill herself for the umpteenth time which speaks volumes.

R153 Is doing mental gymnastics to try and explain how Safechuck is the first successful time traveler in history. That's the real conspiracy, not autism/vaccines (which is ironically subject to be one of James' many diagnosed issues).

Serious question: did he say Jackson bought him a DeLorean when he was also purchasing Neverland for him (forget the date mismatch here also). Do you figure he threw in a flux capacitor?

R154 Sill doesn't even know the suicide attempt was a hoax by TMZ, which she and the family have since denied. R154 believes tabloid claims are better evidence than the dozens of "victims" who say they were never abused. R154 Needs help. Please help him.

R143 Yes, Lisa Marie really put her foot in it with that comment about Michael sharing his bed with kids. So much so you can see her wince straight after.

It does not surprise me COS would be all over Jacko, as they have loose standards when it comes to setting boundaries with kids, seeing them as mini-adults and not children. Capable of making their own independent decisions in life regardless of a lack of experience. The same justification that pedos use all the time.

Crazy that Oprah still hasn't addressed her complete180. I mean when your biggest, most famous supporter deletes your movie and all mention of her major interview after it with you from her Twitter, Instagram and Youtube that speaks volumes.

Oprah has been fooled in the past, but sadly her MO has been to go radio silent so I'm not surprised. Even as someone who is unwilling to explain away the accuser's clear lies, this is a very lowdown move by her to avoid putting out a statement and definitely as Safechuck comes under fire for time traveling in a place that didn't exist.

You could also see Michael's sweet facade cracking and his true self coming through R157. I'm actually surprised he didn't join Scientology. Mainly because they had power in those days and I could see them helping him cover-up his crimes. Maybe even supplying him more victims. They are a twisted cult after all. In the end, I think Michael was too clever to fall under their spell. He was diabolical.

R154 " maybe learn about double negatives, "anti-MJ haters" would be MJ lovers"

No. Anti-MJ hater means just what it says. You are an anti-Michael Jackson hater.

Funny video of Safechuck trying his best not to laugh as Oprah talks about his "marriage ceremony." Even he knows it's bullshit, talk about seriously mental problems.

Still not getting your fucking verbal obfuscation r160, are you trying to say anti-MJ, hater? Cause again, an anti-MJ hater would be an MJ lover, learn some fucking grammar. Commas matter.

R162 Can't explain Safechuck's multi-year time traveling to support that he was abused in a room above the train station that wasn't even built yet.

Decides to (incorrectly) try and correct my grammar instead.

Let's give this dialect a shot: It ain't no way in hell da mane known as Jimmy wuz fuked in a place dat weren't ever der doe.

"This is a reminder of why things like Safechuck's ridiculous train station yarn made it into #LeavingNeverland. If you recall, Dan Reed was asked a softball question at Sundance on whether he considered non-Robson/Safechuck sources. He ducked the questions for obvious reasons."

(Video below for his answer)

r163 can't properly use commas, thinks anyone needs to explain Safechuck's story to know that MJ was a pedo, thinks anyone gives a rat's ass as we have all known this for years. I haven't seen the fucking movie or watched Oprah (are you fucking kidding me? is this 1997?) and yet have known of MJ's proclivities for many years.

“A lot of people are going to be surprised, and you don’t need a law degree to understand this verdict. It is an absolute and complete victory for Michael Jackson, utter humiliation and defeat for Thomas Sneddon, the district attorney who has been pursuing Michael Jackson for more than a decade, who brought a case that was not one that this jury bought at all. This one’s over." -CNN Legal Analyst, Jeffrey Toobin after the unanimous acquittal of Michael Jackson in 2005.

r166 Who fucking cares? OJ got acquitted too, Toobin wrote a book about it, this shit is his bread and butter. Casey Anthony also got acquitted.

R167 The presumption of innocence continues beyond his death. Just a reminder that his 2005 trial was a sham, and the prosecutor was also shamed heavily for his obsessive, 10 year long attempt to convict Jackson. Only further proof the man was innocent...just like Dan Reed he couldn't find credible, non-financially motivated victims; the best he could do was Gavin Arvizo, who lied so badly that many years later people still laugh about his family being held hostage at Neverland. Unanimous acquittal.

R161 That’s the best example I’ve seen in a long while of duper’s delight.

Imagine someone doing what this guy says MJ did to him in all the gory detail and now picture yourself trying not to laugh... I imagine you can’t because there is nothing funny about it at all.

R167 Neither were as scrutinized as Michael Jackson. He was investigated by the LAPD, Child Protective Services, the FBI and got acquitted on a trial that allowed evidence of all prior misdeeds. The jury was interviewed and all were proven to be unbiased. Robson's testimony was extremely believable at the time. His testimony at the time is even corroborated by his mother's most recent deposition. Safechuck was not implicated by any of the prosecution's witnesses and was considered a non entity. Arvizo's mother tried to claim that Jackson kidnapped her family and threatened to put them on a hot air balloon. Gavin broke down on the stand claiming he was mad at Jackson for not calling him.

Jordan Chandler was asked to testify and fled the country. Barnes, Robson, and Culkin were all implicated in eyewitness testimony, and all testified in Jackson's defense. Evan tried to sue Jackson again in 96 for 60 million dollars because of the HIStory album and got laughed out of court. Again, all facts point to MJ's innocence.

However a bunch of funny skits on TV was all it took for you to convince yourself Jackson was guilty. It's clear who's rational and who's not.

Maybe Safechuck will claim he left his jewelry in the train station back in 1990 before it was built, which is why it took him 17 month to find it for Dan Reed for the reshoot for Leaving Neverland.

No it fucking doesn't r168, we aren't fucking jurors, we are just people who aren't mentally retarded and if we think he's guilty, we have every right too. Do you stick up for Jimmy Saville and Gary Glitter too or is it just pedos who make catchy, dance music? Oh and fuck off with your "neither was as scrutinized" shit, OJ was pretty goddamn scrutinized but then that shit was dropped because he didn't continue to murder people. MJ was scrutinized because he kept boffing kids. Also, pretty sure the jurors gave the standard, "we know he did it but they didn't prove it well enough" shit that pussies give when they don't want to look like bad guys. Though they were correct in acquitting him since stans like you and the "thousands who tweeted support" would probably have killed them if they found him guilty.

Martin Bashir also testified but refused to answer any of the questions. Mesereau was still able to expose him through his line of questioning.

If Lisa Marie was any kind of parent she would have called the cops as soon as she found a small child sharing the same bed as Jackson. Karma is a cruel bitch, and that woman deserves every bit of cosmic punishment for assisting an evil PEDOPHILE to cover-up his crimes.

R172 No, unlike Michael Jackson, Saville has many credible, non-financially motivated accusers who came out in troves. This supports the claims he was a serial pedophile. Glitter had child porn on his computer, another thing for which all of Jackson's electronic equipment was searched for (unsuccessfully.) Whenever you point to a serial abuser of adults or children, it just further highlights how Jackson was repeatedly proven to not align with them or have multiple credible victims.

R174 Again using pedophile to slander an innocent man. If anyone is a pedophile, it's James Safechuck. Not only did he lie about abuse in a place it never could have happened/didn't exist, but he also made up a creepy story that Jackson told him he would play with "others" as he grew older. One look at him and I knew something was off...

R172, This defender is in the Beyoncé thread calling the OP obsessed and dangerous because they don't like her and prefer Gaga and Mariah. They seem to think the own this board. Not to mention obsessed and dangerous is pretty much describing themselves.

R177 Stalking other posters' histories and calling them "obsessed..."

R176 So now getting the year of a train stain wrong makes someone a pedophile? Jackson fans have truly lot their collective minds.

* train station

R178,- I didn't need to, the defensiveness and obsessiveness in the post made it obvious, but thanks for confirming.

r178 You have a distinct, psychotic writing style, I don't think anyone would need to be stalking you to know who you are. You are weaponized autism, you're like fucking Rain Man with your "definitely no train station at that time, definitely not!"

R179 R180 No, faking an entire abuse claim, and going the extra mile by implying you would help molest other kids makes you a pedophile.

Funny how Lisa Marie didn't bat an eyelid when she mentioned Jackson was even using the toilet accompanied by little boys....

R182 "You are weaponized autism."

I'm pretty sure that's this guy.

There are like 3 Jackson stans ratcheting up most of the replies on this thread. I know, because I have them all on ignore.

R185 Now that we know Safechuck was lying, one has to wonder why he was chuckling when discussing childhood abuse in such a graphic manner. Chilling.

Smallcombe added: “By acknowledging the build date, Reed is essentially confirming that Safechuck’s claim of being abused in Neverland’s train station between 1988 and 1992 is impossible.

“To seemingly now claim on Safechuck’s behalf that the abuse went on as Safechuck approached adulthood, all to preserve the timeline of his film, is astonishing.”

R179 exactly. So there was mention of a train station 30 years ago instead of a garden shed or some other structure. That doesn’t negate James testimony not the witness accounts of Jackson masturbating him in the swimming pool.

Also, Oprah has not changed her social media in the past 2 days, so more pedo lies.

R187 I'm hearing this: "O",

and I wanna be hearing this: "—"

Why do the pedo’s stans keep lying about how he was proven innocent by the FBI? The FBI didn’t investigate him.

"We" know no such thing r187. And who the fuck is this Smallcombe asshole and why should we care what he says? Jesus, you are sick with it. I didn't hate MJ's music because of this but I am starting to. You stans are insane. You aren't doing MJ any favors with your rabid attacks on Safechuck. Now let me guess what your clever response will be. "I'm insane? Not as insane as someone who believes someone was molested in a train station that didn't even exist" etc.

You can tell the specific posts that come from the obese sistahs at Lipstick Alley, the ones that come from the paid trolls, the ones that come from the doce releasing white frauen. It’s almost comical.

This dream about a train station is the only thing Jackson fans have left to believe in.

R194 No, I mean Wade has been so heavily discredited he is not even talked about anymore. Safechuck is all that is left as far as most of us are concerned, and this is the final nail in his coffin. I hope he continues to get the help he needs, but fortunately it will never be at the expense of the Jackson family.

"When discussing the validity of Robson and Safechuck’s claims, there should be a distinction between legitimate suspicions and popularized victim-blaming rhetoric. For example, the men lying under oath in defense of MJ does not automatically disprove their claims, as being coerced into silence is not uncommon.

However, what fuels non-believer’s suspicions are the slew of court-documented testimonies that contradict the men’s detailed accusations, such as inconsistencies within the timeline and dates where Michael could not have been present for the alleged incidents to take place. Making these distinctions help prevent critics from capitalizing off of survivors’ fear of being publicly discredited.

If “Leaving Neverland” succeeds at anything, it is how it can ignite passionate discussions about nuances of child abuse and toxic idolatry. As a convincing case against Michael Jackson’s presumed innocence, it serves as little more than a one-sided onslaught on a late megastar’s legacy."

Facts don’t lie. MJ was a creepy weirdo in every aspect of his life and we all watched it happen.

Michael was careful not to have bio kids as he knew he wouldn't be able to resist abusing them.

The psychotic pedo troll on here sounds deranged, like a 9/11 CT-er. His 'but the train station' is equivalent to 'jet fuel doesn't melt steel girders'. A monumental weight of evidence in favor of MJ being a child rapist, yet they laser focus on one trivial detail.

R198 Safechuck gave a detailed account of abuse in a place that was not built until several years after his abuse. How in the world does that equate to 9/11 conspiracies that "jet fuel doesn't melt steel girders?'

Many the inconsistencies MJ defenders have dished up against Wade and James post-LN have for the most part been contradictions you could ignore if you were so inclined, but this one is serious and I think needs to be addressed properly. If I was Dan Reed I would even drop my bags, take a camera and fly to James Safechuck and make an addendum to the documentary to find out what the deal is with this train station dilemma. MJ fans will not hold back exhausting this for a long time, as they should.

Holy shit, I love how r199 completely misses the point and again geeks out on the train station thing, and in fact, confirms it. It's like arguing with a fucking caricature. I can't tell if he is being deliberately obtuse or is just an idiot.

MJ was advised early in his career to settle lawsuits, and he did that for many years. He was constantly being sued for all kinds of nonsense. When he finally went to trial around 2004 for child molestation, he was fully acquitted. There were always financial entanglements muddying every accusation over the years. These 2 only came out with their stories after he died, seemingly seeking a piece of the estate. MJ was a bona fide weirdo, but these 2 can fuck off. I couldn't even sit through the HBO documentary and I can't believe Oprah would get entangled in this questionable trash.

MJ also was always involved with sick kids and "make a wish" type shit so he probably raped those kids too, he's no dummy!

Poor, vulnerable Make A Wish children. MJ was probably the most extreme junkie to walk the planet, so I'm pretty sure he drugged some of these kids and molested them whilst they were unconscious.

Lying about being molested in a highly specific place that didn't exist until several years after "leaving Neverland" is damning, but let's not also forget his pathetic jewelry scene. Reed had to admit the scene was not all shot at one time but 17 MONTHS later. They even tried to dress him in the same clothes to make it look like a continuous scene. The entire documentary is nothing more than visual tricks like this to cover up a lack of continuity or evidence.

Of course, even in the old video of him in the jewelry store with MJ they didn't buy anything--so here you have Safechuck again holding a useless bag of unanswered questions. I mean it was even revealed that when they burned all of their crap they had sold all the true stuff of value on eBay way before. Wade Robson's words and actions made him out to be an obvious liar, but Safechuck didn't need anybody's help I see.

I really hope he doesn't have a mental breakdown or try to commit suicide (since his lawyers claimed abuse victims tend to be "suicidal" when they wanted to move up his deposition). Honestly, under the large financial penalties and emotional pressure that has comes with being a faker of sexual abuse he is probably tempted to get the life insurance funds. I hope someone tells him they rarely pay in such cases, since his research skills proved to be so awful.

Yea this seems like a smoking gun. It's pretty obvious that MJ abusing a 16 year old during his trial is an entirely different story. I expect Safechuck to claim the train station was a "false memory"

Buy a fucking thesaurus r205, and learn some words besides "damning". Also, die in a grease fire, why the fuck do you have "suicidal" in quotes? Are you implying that feeling suicidal is not real? And his lawyers don't have to claim anything, it's a proven fucking fact that abuse victims are suicidal. God, you are an asshole. And r206, you aren't fooling anyone, this is not a "smoking gun", it's fucking non-issue.

R205, Safechuck was molested for years. So was Jordy, so MJ paid him a 20m settlement. He was constantly seen hand in hand with boys under 10 and his wife said they never had sex because he always had a young child in his bed with him.

Safechuck said the sex continued into his teens when the train station was there. He and Wade also mentioned numerous other rooms where the abuse took place.

The MJ defenders here are without doubt all black and have the same mentality as the people who to this day say OJ was innocent. It's a race thing. MJ was black so he must be defended at all costs, or it's a direct hit on all black people. It's depressing to see this in action. The Train Station troll needs a Lithium prescription because they appear to be in a manic phase.

The irony is that MJ and OJ wouldn't do shit for the black community, and in fact, usually only fucked white women or boys. Choose a better hill to die on, stans.

I totally believe James saw the inside of the Neverland Train Station, and that he was molested by Jackson in the upstairs room while there.

And look, here is a photo of James and Jacko taken together in August 1994, when James was 16 - well after the Neverland Train Station opened in "the first part of 1994" according to Jackson supporters.

So did James was no longer in Jackson's life did he fabricate this picture using time-travel techniques, perhaps with the services of Michael and Lisa Marie impersonators?

[quote]I really hope he doesn't have a mental breakdown or try to commit suicide (since his lawyers claimed abuse victims tend to be "suicidal" when they wanted to move up his deposition). Honestly, under the large financial penalties and emotional pressure that has comes with being a faker of sexual abuse he is probably tempted to get the life insurance funds. I hope someone tells him they rarely pay in such cases, since his research skills proved to be so awful.

This is a whole new level of disgusting, even for a Michael supporter.

Fake r211! Lisa Marie wasn't even built yet in 1994.

R211 Safechuck alleges in his own lawsuit that the abuse stopped by 92. Additionally, that photo of him and MJ was taken overseas. Safechuck also alleges that he never visited Neverland after 92.

Overseas, Train Station Troll? Why was MJ still taking James on vacation with him? Clearly they were still having sex.

To be fair, Safechuck in his lawsuit states that he had sex with Jackson "hundreds of times" before the age of 12. And he was molested all over the world not just at Neverland.

I could see him mistaking the dates and ages around the abuse by focusing on the early abuse that was the most damaging. Also, as James refers to abuse "stopping" after puberty, as he became sexually aware he may not consider sexual encounters that happened afterwards involuntary.

For those who have not seen it James Safechuck's 54 page lawsuit complaint can be read at the link. It reads like a gold letter handbook for pedophiles:

R191 the FBI investigated him for years. They had witnesses claiming they heard him have sex with a kid on a train ect. ect. They just never caught him, because they found no victim who would talk, nor a tape. They sure as fuc didn't clear him. He was a pedo with a thick FBI file, who never did time.

R216 I only made it through the first 6 pages, what poor James had to go through was too disgusting and evil for words.

I love how the anti-MJ haters try their hardest to say things like "you're still talking about the train station thing" on DL and social media. They can't explain this crazy shit away ("his memory was bad???").

Safechuck has been caught lying about many things that, if taken on their own would be inconsequential, but taken altogether it's quite damning. The train station lie has been the biggest lie so unearthed far.

I mean it doesn't matter if he claims he was molested in every city in the world (although he is absurdly claiming almost interaction resulted in abuse), the fact of the matter is he placed a specific and detailed instance in a place that DID NOT EXIST until he was 16, when he has repeated in his sworn lawsuits and the film the abuse stopped 2-3 years prior. No 16 year old has memory issues that cause them to fabricate a sexual abuse incident, or worse, forget the date it "ended" by several years.

It's incredible how you all are trying to deflect and minimize such an incredible lie but it isn't working. Figuring his time travel out is 90% of this thread.

If you were a celebrity, would you want 'fans' like the atrocious examples spewing bile here in defense of child molesting, drug addict Jackson? Jackson, no doubt, adored it, he was such a hollow person , unevolved and spoiled. Anyway 'fans', you are doing a terrible job of polishing your turd of a favourite. Michael Jackson = pedophile now and forever. How we cringe at your ugly thought processes and relentless attack, but how we laugh at your futility and lack of worth. This has made me rethink fandom, it has always seemed dumb but harmless, however the shocking depths these fools feel impelled to sink to shows just how all encompassing their worship is, it's the same wild eyed fervor dictators attract, very sinister. These people must be intensely lonely, perhaps that's what they feel they got from Jackson , 'You are not alone', but clearly you are, time to grow up' fans', take down the tattered teenage posters and get involved in real life, no celebrity cares about you.

R220 That's a long, hilarious attack for someone so polished that "we cringe at your ugly thought processes and relentless attack, but how we laugh at your futility and lack of worth."

For someone so set on defending poor Jimmy, has it been discovered how he time traveled several years and remembered such highly specific details of abuse about a place he never went to with Jackson?

Fuck Jimmy and Wade ( like Jackson did ) they are immaterial, Jackson was a stone cold pedophile, you have no life R221

R217 The FBI's extensive investigation of Jackson (which found no credible evidence of a crime to arrest him), in coordination with that of the 10 year failed vendetta by disgraced prosecutor Tom Sneddon, is only further proof he was innocent.

R221 Oh he fucked them alright, in his posthumous estate's judgement against them in excess of 70k. That was the first clue they were full of shit, and their financial problems and still unpaid judgement lags closely behind.

Again R223 I ( like all but the 2 of you Jackostans here ) have no interest in your tragic obsession with protecting your singing and dancing fave. Sucks for you he was a monstrous ( both physically and mentally ) child molesting drug addict, you have very bad taste. These jokes sum the monster up, he was and is a joke as are you for devoting your life to him like some creepy, vengeful nun in a horror film.

Re R222 "Fuck Jimmy and Wade ( like Jackson did ) they are immaterial, Jackson was a stone cold pedophile, you have no life [R221]"

The film just came out, and it's remarkable the sheer number of lies and inconsistencies unearthed so far. I mean being abused in the top room of a damn train station that wasn't built until you were almost an adult...that's "he locked us up in Neverland" and "he stopped calling" level bad (looking at your destroyed reputation, Gavin).

I am glad this happened. The addition of these two false accusers, willing to fabricate with ease, will only further solidify Jackson's innocence. And to think 4 parts ago everyone was saying "they only attack Wade, because Safechuck is completely credible." Hilarious.

God, JABBA. How many browser tabs do you have open?

Keep posting. My friends and I read them and laugh our asses off!

As seen from these jokes, which I'm happy to remind you of Superfan R225. Jackson and Innocence only go together in as much as he stole it from children. Jackson = pedophile for us all, except of course for you and your motley bunch R225 who will continue to ferret around in the mire attempting to clear your tarnished, shitty druggie's name, but you can't , Jackson was a pedophile. And that artwork R225 is very poor, very amateur.

R226 when the construction records were obtained.

Ooops here are the 'jokes' R225...Enjoy!

Here's an even funnier joke

Not as funny as these , they are the reason you are shitting yourself R230 they predate the current mess by decades and show how everyone laughed at your favourite years and years ago like the plastic joke he was. The laughter is hollow now as we take child abuse more seriously, I don't think Jackson could indulge his boy lust the same way today, even with the encouragement of the likes of you superfan sad cases, grown ups wouldn't allow it.

Leaving Neverland viewers after spending 4 hours listening to abuse and finding out the train station didn't even exist.

R230 Note the use of "allegedly" finally. When the tabloids start having doubts, you know the writing is on the wall. Dan should probably quietly slither away back under his rock, now....

Dan Reed: "The date they have wrong is the end of the abuse." Dan Reed, confronted with evidence that the train station did not exist during the alleged timeline of abuse, tweeted: "Yeah there seems to be no doubt about the station date. The date they have wrong is the end of the abuse."

In doing so, Reed:

Contradicts James' own repeated sworn statements and remarks from 2014-2019 that the abuse ended in 1992 when he was 14.

Contradicts the theory (including by Reed himself) that Jackson would replace boys with new ones for sexual purposes when they reached puberty.

Contradicts James' claims that the sexual relationship was already being severed when he was 12.

But more significantly, Reed's suggestion that "the date they have wrong is the end of the abuse" does nothing to address the actual context of this story. According to James, it occurred during the honeymoon phase of their relationship when "the sexual relationship is growing." This sexual relationship allegedly began in the summer of 1988 and by 1990 James states he was already being phased out and growing more and more distant, not closer.

James says that by the time of the Jam video shoot (May 1992) Jackson was already fully rejecting him in favor of Brett, and says he was sent home early while Brett got to stay.

To believe Dan Reed's new claim, you have to believe that James was still having constant sexual relationships with Michael Jackson at the age of 16, despite all of this rejection and sexual cut-off by 1992 and no mention of any of this by James himself after that date.

You go to that station R232 etc etc etc etc and catch the choo-choo all the way to grown up land, take down your yellowing MJ posters and join the land of the living. We have little interest in Jackson anymore, these threads are only kept going by you loons ranting, everybody else has moved on because we are satisfied as to Jackson pedophilia, it is beyond doubt, your piffling excuses do you no credit as a person.

I'm so glad Jackson fans only have this pathetic shred of a train station inconsistency to cling on. It shows how sound Leaving Neverland was that thousands of frenzied Michael Jackson supporters put their heads together and this is all they come up with.....

They had to laboriously scrutinize, and comb through 1000s of pieces of information and found only this tiny and inconsequential 00.1% of the total picture. Thankfully in the real world building plans are not enough to counter molestation accusations.

Only a few trashy tabloids are bothering to report on this. Must be generating so little interest as even moderately respectable publications are ignoring it.

Revolting pedophile apologists in this thread! Shame. Michael Jackson was a horrible piece of shit.

R235 R236 R237 "We have little interest in Jackson anymore, these threads are only kept going by you loons ranting."

Or maybe you figured out James Safechuck's time traveling secret and went back in the future to discover no abuse ever occurred, and this BS was invented in 2011/2012, which is why that fool claimed he was abused multiple times in a nonexistent place.

No R238 we didn't figure anything involving Jackson and his boy victims , why would we dwell on a pedophile after his pedophil;ia has been established? You on the other hand seem to devote every waking moment to slavishly attempting to protect and promote a shitty, drug addict who could only get it up for 7 year old boys, you must be so proud!

R235 An inconsistency is not the same thing as a lie. James Safechuck had no reason to INTENTIONALLY mislead viewers, especially when all the other facets of information he presented in the documentary have stood up well to scrutiny.

It has been shown by psychologists that most people recall information imperfectly. Few, if anyone has perfect photographic memory, that's why context matters in historic sexual abuse cases. The abuse will always be remembered foremost in traumatic events, not necessarily the surroundings.

Jackson fans are not fooling anyone (except themselves) with this immature bit of detective work that would make Jessica Fletcher roll over in her grave with how inept it is...

Just an anti-gay Republican smear job.

Michael wasn't even gay. Just an immature, lonely, haunted soul trying to be a child again so he could go back and 'cure' himself. He had no one around to tell him, "Michael, running around with these kids is bad". He was spoiled and naive and too trusting and isolated... but not a pedophile.

I don't believe he ever had sex with anybody. And Lisa Presley is lying for him when she says otherwise. But having once lied, all she can do is keep lying.

R240

An inconsistency is not the same thing as a lie. James Safechuck had no reason to INTENTIONALLY mislead viewers, especially when all the other facets of information he presented in the documentary have stood up well to scrutiny.

----->His timeline is awful, and numerous contradictions exist.

It has been shown by psychologists that most people recall information imperfectly. Few, if anyone has perfect photographic memory, that's why context matters in historic sexual abuse cases. The abuse will always be remembered foremost in traumatic events, not necessarily the surroundings.

-----> You can't recall multiple abuse instances at a place that didn't exist until after he left. Did you watch the documentary?

Jackson fans are not fooling anyone (except themselves) with this immature bit of detective work that would make Jessica Fletcher roll over in her grave with how inept it is...

-----> Safechuck is not fooling anyone either.

He didn't have anyone around to tell him to stop because he liked it that way R241. Anyone telling him to stop would have been fired immediately, his family kept their mouths shut for money too. You are naive in the extreme R241 to believe the poor little me, I had no childhood crap, you wouldn't swallow it from an everyday person, it's no less ridiculous from a 'star'. Jackson's sexual interest was entirely focused on young boys, he depended on 'fans' to promote the idea he was a wide eyed innocent, and he certainly worked his'magic' on them, however they are easy prey, lonely and lost.

Absolutely fucking hilarious interview with John Branca.

"Do you think it's fair for the accusers to go after Michael Jackson."

"Hell no! It's not true." -- "Why do you think they waited so long--"

"Because they know damn well if Michael was around they wouldn't be saying that--"

-- "Do you think they needed the money?"

"Of course they needed the money.:"

[quote]His timeline is awful, and numerous contradictions exist.

You mean the train station Jackson fans have been shouting about from the rooftops the past three days? What else besides that is inconstant about his timeline?

R245 I mean the fake train station abuse; I'll get you "for perjury" phone call; denying he had known Wade at first; Safechuck "remembering" he was abused after seeing Wade in 2013; then claiming he knew since 2005; claiming to be abused hundreds of times; having his mother say they only went to Neverland 14 and Jackson was hardly there; including falsified documents in his lawsuit; and on and on.

R146 It's only fake if you are a pervert who enjoys other seeing other perverts getting away with sex crimes committed against children.

R247 "It's only fake if you are a pervert who enjoys other seeing other perverts getting away with sex crimes committed against children."

No, it's fake because it isn't the truth. Either the story checks out or it doesn't.

"At the train station, there's a room upstairs, and we would have sex up there, too. It would happen every day. " -Safechuck

The train station wasn't built until 2 years after he swore the abuse ended in his declaration and again in LN. He also didn't go to Neverland but a few times, most of those his mother said Jackson wasn't even there. His entire timeline is now discredited. That's what makes it "fake."

Wade is going to regret he drafted Safechuck along for moral support.

Okay, so... the Jacko-stans here have been repeating, ad nauseam, that Dan Reed "admitted" to filming Jimmy's jewelry scene "17 months later," however, I have been scouring the internet for a couple of weeks now searching for ANY such "admission" from Dan Reed, and there does not appear to be one. The ONLY source to be found for this "17 months later" claim seems to be from random Twitter users who simply repeat the statement over and over again, without proof (fake news at its best, folks). If any of you pedo-defenders would care to correct me, I'm listening...

Explain how James was molested in the upstairs section of the train station when the station hadn't even started construction until 2 years after his claims?

Explain why Joy Robson testified under oath that Wade had in fact gone with the family for the trip to the Grand Canyon?

Please explain these things...

R251 Please explain why/how you find the time to endlessly post about a child molester, an eldergay kiddie fiddler whose heyday was a lifetime ago?

Ummm, yeah... nice try, R251, but "deflection" doesn't answer my question...

[quote]His timeline is awful, and numerous contradictions exist.

Would he have seemed less contradictory to you if he had been a sick, effeminate drug addict who bleached his skin and had sleepover parties with little boys?

R521 Wasn't a deflection, Dan Reed discusses the rings in a Q&A in French, saying he asked Safechuck repeatedly to go and find them before interviewing him again months later. He also has said the dates of each interview.

The pedo stans are lying about Oprah. She never had any tweets or instas up on her personal accounts re Leaving Neverland, likely because she knew she would get it from these sick fucks. It was only posted on the OWN YouTube, where it remains, plus some personal posts by her staffers, that remain.

R254 No, he would have been less contradictory if he had just told the truth, instead of lying about having sex in a place that didn't exist until he was clear no more "sex" was happening.

[quote]The train station wasn't built until 2 years after he swore the abuse ended in his declaration and again in LN. He also didn't go to Neverland but a few times, most of those his mother said Jackson wasn't even there. His entire timeline is now discredited. That's what makes it "fake."

His timeline has not been discredited. He said the abuse ended after he turned 12, not that they weren't still having sex after that time. Clearly Wade was still very much a part of Jackson's inner world and one of his must trusted offsiders, as these pictures show that were taken after the time the Neverland train station was built.

R256 No, you're late to the game to start claiming that. Oprah deleted the LN related content on her Twitter, Instagram, and Youtube--all of which had thousands of comments (I was one of them.)

R258 Again, false. You can read his own statement here. After he reached puberty, he says "and then his sexual abuse of me stopped." He also said in the lawsuit that the age was 14 and maintained the narrative in the doc.

Notably, Barnes also mentioned as his replacement denies all abuse and says he is lying.

R260 He said the "abuse" stopped, not that they weren't still having consensual sex. Two different things.

R259, if you were one of them, I can understand why she deleted them.

Oh right, R255... ummm, link...?!

[quote]If any of you pedo-defenders would care to correct me, I'm listening...

Well, then... thanks for BOTH "correcting" me AND admitting that you're a pedo-defender, LOL.

R261 Are you being serious?

R264 Well you understand that a pre-pubescent child cannot consent to an act that he does not understand, don't you?

[quote]Wasn't a deflection, Dan Reed discusses the rings in a Q&A in French, saying he asked Safechuck repeatedly to go and find them before interviewing him again months later. He also has said the dates of each interview.

Yeah right, honey... still waiting for the link to your so-called Q&A in French "admission" from Dan Reed... hmmm...

R263 R266 Give me a few minutes, I am bilingual and will have to find it, but I believe in giving you his exact words and not tabloid garbage. You can Google the interview days yourself--I believe it's in an article on Billboard where he gives exact dates. In the meantime here is a Buzzfeed article from March 3rd (before anyone even caught on to the ring issue) where it also mentions he found the ring before his second interview sometime later. Finally, there are photos of a different background and slightly different clothing all over social media.

"But even that sense of forward progress — of being in a moment on a longer journey — was challenged after Reed contacted Safechuck last year for a half-day of follow-up questions. By the second day of their initial interview, Safechuck felt like he’d finally gotten comfortable with the open-ended rhythm the filmmaker was looking for. So for the follow-up, Safechuck thought, “This is going to be easy-peasy.” He even mentioned to Reed that he’d found some of the jewelry he’d told Reed that Jackson had given him. “And [Dan’s] like, ‘Great, bring it.’”

R267 I got as far as 'I was so happy he died' that's something nobody can argue with!

R268 I'm even happier Safechuck has been caught faking the child sexual abuse, in a place that never existed for years before the "abuse" ended. Hopefully this will cause him to get the significant mental assistance he needs to avoid lying about something so evil again.

[quote]then subsequently writing several paragraphs about how Sharon Tate was a whore.

I’m not saying she’s a whore, but she did marry Roman Polanski. And unlike MJ, he was convicted of child molestation and skipped the country. And Hollywood still honored him with an Oscar for [italic]The Pianist[/italic] the same year Eminem - the Anita Bryant of Rap - “won” an Oscar for Best “Song.”

Whatever R269 you've shat on abuse victims starting with Wade as ( in the mad fan's view ) the easiest to shit on, then you moved on to Safechuck ( at first seen as too vulnerable and broken...but not to the mad fans ), now all you have to do is move on to the plethora of paid off victims justify that and then on to the other non-stop sick behavior of your twisted hero and justify that, though a word of warning , the 'he didn't have a childhood' bit is not cutting it any more, you'll need to cook up something else. It should only take the rest of your life and as you clearly have nothing else going on it should be as easy as taking candy from a baby, which is appropriate when discussing a pedophile.

[quote][R172] No, unlike Michael Jackson, Saville has many credible, non-financially motivated accusers who came out in troves. This supports the claims he was a serial pedophile. Glitter had child porn on his computer, another thing for which all of Jackson's electronic equipment was searched for (unsuccessfully.) Whenever you point to a serial abuser of adults or children, it just further highlights how Jackson was repeatedly proven to not align with them or have multiple credible victims.

"In the report, Santa Barbara authorities describe photos of bleeding children, “in pain and tormented”, “sexually explicit images of animal sacrifice”, and a collection of pornography featuring images with children’s faces superimposed onto adult bodies. Pornographic materials were also found in Jackson’s nightstand and in his bathroom, which a source claims were his “method of ‘grooming’ young boys” to cave into his sexual desires."

Now that James "My Anus Was Licked in A Place Built Years Later" Safechuck's story is nonsense, I will say one thing--it still isn't as terrible as Wade "Give-Me-A-Job-Or-I-Sue" Robson.

R272 Sharing complete nonsense fiction now.

NewsPunch is a Los Angeles-based fake news website that frequently spreads conspiracy theories and political misinformation mixed in with real news stories.

R272 Amazing how much he resembled an actual demon at the end of his life. They say you end up with the face you deserve.

R273 see R271 all you do is shit on victims to spare your sad freak. It's pretty extreme, I can imagine your attitude occuring where a family member is found out to be a pedophile, but someone who is merely a poster on your wall? Do you have anything else in your life?

Apparently Wade auctioned off his MJ memorabilia (the crap he burned in the film was worthless) for almost A HUNDRED GRAND. WTF.

The Train Station troll comes across as autistic, hung up on a minuscule detail when 90% of sane adults have believed monstrous MJ was a pedophile since 1993. He spent 20m paying off Chandler in 1993, an enormous sum for 25 years ago, more like 200m now. Who does that if they're innocent?

And this was right before he filed his lawsuit, he said he needed to raise money for THERAPY.

R278 I know it hurts to realize you've been duped by an actor, the mentally ill thing is probably just an act. He couldn't function in real life at his job for 9 years (although I have a feeling they'll drop him after the next breakdown) if he was that slow and poor in memory.

I mean a train station that wasn't built until he years later...congrats. You played yourself.

Wow R273, just wow... pedo-defending, celebrity-worshiping Jacko-stans truly are the filthiest pieces of shit in the toilet, LOL. Simply disgusting...

R278 "90% of sane adults have believed monstrous MJ was a pedophile since 1993."

And yet....his music streams have increased making even more money. Unlike the accusers who still haven't paid the 70k in legal judgements against them to the estate. Wonder if they need a payment plan?

[quote][R272] Sharing complete nonsense fiction now.

I didn't know the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department had time to waste in writing fairy tales, the full police report at the link looks perfectly legit to me:

Never mind all that R279, what about your motivation, as asked and ignored at R276 ? Does your behavior not cause you any concern? This thread is almost all you cutting and pasting anything that shores up your tatty viewpoint, mixed in with the most disgraceful smears and childish insults, dozens and dozens of posts daily, this is not healthy.

R283 My Jackson certainly possessed an extensive pornography collection that he kept in every nook and cranny of his bedroom where he knew children would "play".

R283 Then link to it and sort a claim, instead of tabloid RadarOnline's nonsense (who has hilariously started denigrating the accusers now too).

That pic at R279 is so creepy. Michael is eye fucking that child with curly hair on the right.

The main pedo defender on here must be jobless because he mans this thread 24/7.

Pointing out how a couple of liars conned HBO is not defending pedophilia.

R285 Yet....in the raid on his home when all those electronics were confiscated and searched by disgraced prosecutor Tom Sneddon...nothing was found!

You know what also was never found? The train station Safechuck was abused at before his entire timeline collapsed.

Horrible Body Odor

Michael Jackson is innocent. Bill Cosby is guilty. If you cannot accept those facts, then you are a dope.

you know what will never be found R289 ?, your sanity, you've traded it in for a lifetimes' groveling at the feet of a grotesque ,self loathing pedophile.

I was diddled at age 10 at the movies and at the beach. That much I can say, and I also remember what I did and what was done to me. But there’s no way I could remember which movie houses or which beach, or if they had built a specific movie house or whatever yet.

Exactly R293, but these pigs who suck on Jackson's rotten tit don't care about that, anything that gets their pedo hero off the hook is fine by them. It's over 'fans' .Sales of his music may spike right now because you and your sad cronies are so boo hoo about it you are forcing the figures up with unnecessary purchases, but that is a temporary fix and the least of the estates' income, they depend on advertising and the corporate world and that's fucked, they may as well get Jared Fogle out of prison to push Subway again. Jackson won't be the first superstar to be forgotten, it is a natural phenomenon, but he will the first remembered as a pedo.

I wonder if Rainman and his train station fixation even stop to think about this train station. Who the fuck builds a train station at their estate? A fucking pedo who wants to lure children there and have a dark place to make out with them. Seriously, do you know how insane you sound? It's like saying "explain how that woman could have been in the torture room in 1995 when the torture room wasn't even BUILT until 1997?". I guess all this shit seems normal to you because you are insane. It doesn't to us. Now hit me back with some lame rhetoric about time travel, and damning lies and disgraced prosecutors, that will certainly convince me that mj wasn't a pedo freak. Oh and you still haven't fucking commented on what you mean by anti-MJ hater and still don't know about double negatives or commas.

A famous statue of MJ outside a McDonalds that was a shrine for his European fans has been taken down today. Maybe his remaining 12 stans can get together and erect a train station in its place.

Reposting:

I hate to admit it but the true victims here are Wade and James. They dug themselves into a pit of lies and deception that will follow them for the rest of their natural lives. They even fooled Oprah (although it isn't the first time she has been tricked: Google "James Frey" for a very similar story)

Neither will ever be able to hold a normal job again. Their mental issues will exacerbate even worse with the stink of falsifying a sexual abuse claim, or even being a sexual abuse accuser against Michael Jackson.

Their lives are over as they know it, and that includes their children and parents. If they can recover from the financial harm (70k in legal fees, court costs owed to the estate)and no settlement then there is still no guarantee that they will ever overcome the reputation harm that they demanded be brought onto themselves..

And:

Apparently all of these massive inconsistencies are “easily mixed up details" according to Leaving Neverland truthers, who are desperate to believe the graphic pedophile fiction that is Leaving Neverland. That seems to be to go to answer for anything wrong about Robson and Safechuck’s allegations.

Except it's not minor details, and he has had 8 years to get his story straight, and an entire lifetime if you believe he was actually abused (I don't.) He said he got molested in a place that was built after a timeframe of when he never could have been there, and when he was 16 despite claiming under oath the abuse stopped years before. It makes absolutely no sense and there is no excuse for it.

R295 MJ could never go out in public ever. Not even to the grocery store. I'm sure he would have traded it all for a chance at a normal life. Neverland gave him small comfort and ability to experience things all of us like to do. Most people, even adults, like to go to the park, the movies, to theme parks, fancy restaurants, and so on.

Reposting for R almost every post here ..... Never mind all that [R279], what about your motivation, as asked and ignored at [R276] ? Does your behavior not cause you any concern? This thread is almost all you cutting and pasting anything that shores up your tatty viewpoint, mixed in with the most disgraceful smears and childish insults, dozens and dozens of posts daily, this is not healthy.

The article was just published in The Sun but the link doesn't work. Extreme skanky junkie MJ is loathed by the general public. A severely traumatised victim who was raped 100s of times as a child failing to remember some of the exact timeline of abuse has not changed their minds.

Dan Reed: "The date they have wrong is the end of the abuse." Dan Reed, confronted with evidence that the train station did not exist during the alleged timeline of abuse, tweeted: "Yeah there seems to be no doubt about the station date. The date they have wrong is the end of the abuse."

In doing so, Reed:

Contradicts James' own repeated sworn statements and remarks from 2014-2019 that the abuse ended in 1992 when he was 14.

Contradicts the theory (including by Reed himself) that Jackson would replace boys with new ones for sexual purposes when they reached puberty.

Contradicts James' claims that the sexual relationship was already being severed when he was 12.

But more significantly, Reed's suggestion that "the date they have wrong is the end of the abuse" does nothing to address the actual context of this story. According to James, it occurred during the honeymoon phase of their relationship when "the sexual relationship is growing." This sexual relationship allegedly began in the summer of 1988 and by 1990 James states he was already being phased out and growing more and more distant, not closer.

James says that by the time of the Jam video shoot (May 1992) Jackson was already fully rejecting him in favor of Brett, and says he was sent home early while Brett got to stay.

To believe Dan Reed's new claim, you have to believe that James was still having constant sexual relationships with Michael Jackson at the age of 16, despite all of this rejection and sexual cut-off by 1992 and no mention of any of this by James himself after that date.

Should we ALL just continue cutting and pasting OUR posts as well? See who can cut and paste repeated posts the most until we once again hit 600?

I don’t think so. I’m outta here.

R299, he went out in public frequently, as do most celebs, accompanied by bodyguards. He wasn't even that popular in the 21st century. He was known as a pedo freak and laughed at.

R302 You are insane! Jackson is unlucky to have you in his corner, but then who else would be? As cutting and pasting is your thing, see R276 and R284

Massive eye roll at r299. I have never felt the urge to ride a fucking model train or have sleepovers with kids. I guess it's your dream to keep starving, abused animals at your place but not most people's. Also, fine restaurants? Bitch please, mj no doubt ate chicken nuggets and candy to be in synch with his young victims.

And when he did R304 he usually had someone else's pretty boy son clamped to him.

Bye, R303. Let me know if you find the flux capacitor Safechuck used on your way out.

On the big UK gossip site Digital Spy, they've had to close and today ban any MJ threads because of rabid autistic posters like Rainman here. DL should do the same.

r308

Highlight: Speaking to NME, Smallcombe added: “These are two extremely detailed and key stories in the documentary – especially in the case of Wade Robson – which have been provably fabricated.

“The whole idea behind doing this research is to offer the balance that wasn’t there in the first place, firstly in the documentary, which made no attempt to investigate whether the pair’s allegations are indeed true, or to challenge two people who are after hundreds of millions of dollars,” he said. “The documentary violated all norms and ethics in filmmaking and journalism."

R305 Not all MJ fans are obsessed with the star, some just care about speaking out against tabloid journalism and those who rationalize accusers attempt to continually change their stories 5 or 6 times in just as many years. That and seeking to overturn a legitimate not guilty verdict is one the most insane things I have witnessed. As far as those who are obsessed with Jackson and his music, so what? What about the attackers who manufacture and try to out "victims"? Or the ones who say "I rather stand by the accusers just in case they are right?" You'd say those people are more psychologically healthy?

R311 You are insane! as you were at R302 Jackson is unlucky to have you in his corner, but then who else would be? As cutting and pasting is your thing, see [R276]

Like the word "fetch", Smallcombe is never going to happen, and no one gives a shit what he says. Also, why are you not personally attacking anyone who calls you out and says you're an asshole? It seems like you have a really clear agenda and don't want to insult anyone because you are a paid troll. If I were you and was being so insulted, I would lob some insults back, but you don't, like you don't want to cross some line. Call me a cunt, please, then I may believe you are some real fan who has no stake in this. But instead you will mention time travel and train stations, you really want to muddy the Safechuck story, you really seem threatened by it. Oh, and in the meantime and as usual, go fuck yourself.

R314 Lobbing insults is a sign that you have no real argument. Those with the facts on their side don't have to stoop to that level. Insulting people and calling them pedo lovers is the height of immaturity.

There's talk of a new accuser, some guy named Michael Jacobshagen. Only problem with him is that he has scammed a lot of people. Selling memorabilia that was fake, etc. Can't do worse than Safechuck being abused somewhere that wasn't built until he was an adult though.

R312 People who are sympathetic to survivors of child abuse are more psychologically healthy than those like yourself attacking them. Obsession with music is fine, dance around to it all day long, but when that obsession produces behaviour like our own 'Rainman' , insults , smears etc then it crosses a line. Incidentally you are not as balanced on this subject as you would like to present yourself, you people really need to grow out of the one glove fanclub. It's over, Jackson = pedophile. He was a known pedophile long before LN was even though of, as seen in your favourite comedy moments linked below, we knew decades ago what a sick bastard he was.

Let's hope for 20 new accusers. Rainman will always find some little detail in their 30-40 year lifespan to discredit them. He sold some fake merch in 2002 is the new But The Train Station.

Oprah is one of the most gullible women alive who made it as far as she did.

r314 right, but attacking abuse victims and making light of suicide is the height of class and maturity.

The rabidly obsessed MJ hater also hates people on the autism spectrum, proving my point that this is a post-mortem lynching.

Sorry comment r320 was meant for r315, but he knows that.

And calling fans of any entertainer “Stans” references Scuminem and thus fuels the flames of anti-gay hatred.

I knew that would be next r321, and it's not just one person. And you hate abuse victims and make light of suicidal thoughts. Fuck off.

R318 That will never happen. It's clear the only people accusing Jackson 1. have serious financial problems and 2. lie a lot. Again nowhere was this finding of a credible victim an issue with Saville, Weinstein, Sandusky, R Kelly, etc. It's remarkable these people try to fabricate the credible people who say no abuse happened as a victim "in denial" because Safechuck, et. al lie about such blatant and major details.

You’re lynching a black man from beyond the grave by giving credence to a bunch of little WHITE lies, R324. You fuck off and slither back to Stormfront with the rest of the white supremacist trash. Right now they are the only ones invested in smearing the reputation of a dead black singer.

Jackson having sex with 7 year old boys was pro gay was it R323?

And that would be your next go to r323, don't forget to add that Tom Cruise is in Rainman and is a self loathing homosexual who bearded with a woman so this is anti gay. I wonder if you can think of anyone else who was a self loathing homosexual and bearded with a woman while molesting boys?

No black men in this story R326 Jackson was whiter than you are, he was so ashamed of being black he butchered his face and bleached his skin to remove all traces.

Scuminem used anti-gay hate speech and got rewarded for it with Grammys and Oscars by the industry that did nothing to stop the persecution of an innocent man who tried to heal the world and make it a better place for you and for me and the ENTIRE human race.

r326 black man? Oh my sides! Jackson hated black people, himself included, way more than any nazi ever could. He also hated Jews, so again, go fuck yourself. Jackson was much more aligned with stormfront than any poster here.

Hmm...I smell the stench of Matt the loon!

[quote]It seems like you have a really clear agenda and don't want to insult anyone because you are a paid troll.

You've just missed it, R314. I've had it on block for weeks and in its earlier, less robotic incarnation it used to lash out and "accuse" other posters of being victims of CSA.

R329: Jackson was still black enough to point out Tommy Mottola’s racism which is typical of a race that allied with Hitler.

I smell the stench of burnt crosses on R332.

MJ abused this boy Michael Jacobshagen when he was 14, proving he still had interest as they matured, and showed him a photographic book called The Boy, a favourite with pedos.

Oh dear...it's him at R335 etc Matt the deranged lunatic, of course he'd be a Jackson fan!

MJ haters make it easy for Catholic priests and Muslim imams to get away with raping children.

R337 makes me think all the MJ haters are just self-hating pedos themselves.

Lol, the troll from part 10 who called everyone a "pedo" has been red tagged. (R1) in below thread.

R331 + the Ludovico chair + [italic]The Wiz[/italic] on Blu-Ray = social justice

R339 You are a disgrace to Judaism Matt.

Shut up R342 and admit you hate black people which is why you want these lies to be true.

Goy me, destroy me

Boy you sure annoy me

Mary Poppins says hello R343 and Angela Lansbury hates your guts

If you refuse to accept the judgement of a United States court of law, then why do we even fucking have laws at all?

R326 I have talked extensively about the racial aspect in the past. The unabashed truth is that two white men, once strong defenders of a famous, deceased black man, sued his estate for for 1.5 billion in damages claiming hundreds of abuse incidents years after his death. Perhaps most alarmingly, they have produced explanations from "we lied," to "we forgot," or more shockingly "we were afraid of jail" in lieu of evidence to explain why they maintained his innocence years into adulthood when they are now in their late 30s and early 40s.

However, rather than address the clear racial inequities, I think the more fruitful discussion is on the complete contradictions present in this lawsuit. Most notably James Safechuck, who appears mentally unstable, claiming he was abused in a train station not built until years after the abuse ended and throwing his timeline into a nonsensical event.

Elvis groomed Priscilla.

Race and class are one and the same in the US.

'Heal the world

Abuse the children...'

No wonder Brit musician Jarvis Cocker jumped on stage at the Brits to show MJ his ass when King Pedo dared to sing that. MJ loved his deeply ironic song titles. The one where he sang about it not mattering if you're black or white was the most hypocritical of all, considering he wore bleach all over his skin 24/7.

Race warfare is class warfare and the lynching of Michael Jackson is part of it. Dr. Murray should have gotten the chair for first degree murder.

R347 yes you have 'talked extensively' and to no effect whatsoever. Jackson = Pedophile.

Jackson did have vitilgo.

What goes around comes around.

R351, Dr Murray was just one of many tame doctors the atrocity that was Michael had on salary. How tormented must MJ have been that he needed a GA to sleep? All the cries of the children he raped ringing in his head down the years.

[quote] If you refuse to accept the judgement of a United States court of law, then why do we even fucking have laws at all?

Not only was Jackson acquitted but Jimmy and Wade's lawsuits were dismissed. People just don't give a shit anymore. They even admit that they would side with an accuser even if they were only a 1% chance they were telling the truth.

Michael Jackson raped no one, least of all those two honky liars.

Request to subtitle Part 13: But The Train Station

He said: "Because the story has been debunked, it appears Reed is now suddenly wanting to change Safechuck's timeline himself.

"Firstly, I'm shocked that he's spoken on Safechuck's behalf. And secondly, it's embarrassing that he feels he has to now change the narrative of the film - which is that the alleged abuse stopped in 1992 - all because part of it has been disproved.

"That's what happens when you take allegations like that at face value and make no attempts to scrutinise and investigate whether they are true."

He added: "By acknowledging the build date, Reed is essentially confirming that Safechuck's claim of being abused in Neverland's train station between 1988 and 1992 is impossible.

Request denied, R358. Now shut the fuck up honky.

Michael Jackson accuser Safechuck is lying because 'sex abuse room' wasn’t even built when he was allegedly raped, says biographer

But it was consensual.

R361 The photo of James in R361 is very disturbing--he is disturbing--especially knowing he has provably lied about the abuse.

The law is a ass, a idiot.

This might as well be a documentary:

Dan Reed's tweet is getting picked up by more media. He knows he's fucked up.

R365 This man lying about being abused MORE THAN ONCE in a non-existent train station built years after he left is, forgive my language, a damn shame. I mean it doesn't take a MJ defender to realize that shit is ridiculous. I peeked over at Reddit (not my normal site) and in the two Leaving Neverland threads they are rushing to downvote other LN defenders who think Safechuck should give an explanation and talking about a mysterious "other" train station as if Reed hasn't already ruled that one out by saying abuse dates were wrong.

Safechuck really should go on camera and say something to try and salvage this. Burden of proof is on him in this case. Nobody else but him brought it up. Dan can't do it for him, but he probably will.

Wade and James were not my lovers,

They’re just two liars who claim that I am the one,

But I did not touch their buns.

Why did you have to be so greedy Jimmy? You have a stable job, a family that loves you, and good looks. Why did you have to fuck it up?

Safechuck looks a bit like DL fave Jensen Ackles, they were born only a few days apart,

[quote]Safechuck really should go on camera and say something to try and salvage this.

Too much, too little, too late to lie again with you.

R370 Money is the root of all evil. Plus, don't forget there's obviously some mental health aspect.

Lots of crazies on now:

Looks like Mike Smallcombe's damage control to undermine LN credibility has died already. Not even on the main page of Daily Fail, needs to be searched to be found. The mystery of the train station will now likely go unsolved due to a lack of fucks given.

We dumped Wade when Judge Beckloff said that no-one could reasonably believe Robson in his ruling. Crazy that Safechuck is not ditched so easily.

^now ditched

Bullfuckingshit r367, no fucking way redditors are buying this shit, maybe a thread or two full of the people you are paid to mislead but no one has jumped on this, and stop saying that it's now proven that Safechuck has lied. I don't think you understand how insanely you come off, you really make people who were on the fence now side with the victims of MJ's abuse. Unless that was the plan all along? Christ, you sound like the Clooney loon going on about Amal Clooney.

[quote]Safechuck claimed in his 2014 lawsuit against Jackson’s Estate that he was abused from 1988 until 1992, when he was 14. The alleged victim, now 41, said that he was abused in an upstairs room in Neverland’s train station. That train station was not built until Safechuck was 16. Yet he swore that "when I fully reached puberty, DOE 1 began spending his time with Brett instead of me and then his sexual abuse of me stopped."

IF this is true, then I'm surprised Dan Reed or someone else working on the film didn't notice the discrepancy in the timeline, as they were supposedly VERY careful in checking out the stories told by Safechuck and Robson. But anyway, when all is said and done, there is no doubt in my mind that Michael Jackson had sex with lots of underage boys. And that is the bottom line, pardon the expression.

R375 We've already moved on from the train station and now going after Dan's tweet. Otherwise, we'd still be hearing how the train station was actually a treehouse but Dan has already sorted it out for us.

R379 Nevertheless, at least you seem to notice there is certainly plenty of room to disagree.

None of this made sense.

mIcHaEl wAs RuNiNg tHe MoSt SoPhIsTiCaTeD cHiLd SeX rInG eVeR

there are 2 train stations. One was built in 1993. The other wss there when neverland was open to the public. Leavingneverlandhbo Reddit already found mention of the train in a book that describes the opening of neverland to journalists. There is also an article on billboard or rolling stone from prior to 1993 that dedcrobrf train station

Most likely fan reed was flustered by the Crazy fans and misspoke. The loonies can upset anyone.

BTW this thread is riciculous. I if people want a real convo they need to stop anwering to this anti victim yhrqsi this is my one and only response to this bullshit thread.

I feel terrible that someone as fragile as James has yo deal with the psychopath fambase if a psychopath star.

Wikipedia also says there are 2 train stations.

Well I guess that about concludes this excruciatinglyblong and unnecessary chapter of the MJ Fan Stan Book entitled “BUT THE TRAIN STATION!”

Could the fucking troll with NO LIFE stop opening these threads to post its inane 'arguments' over and over? Insufferable cunt.

R385 Not even close. Google Michael Jackson and now those stories appear at the top of the search results. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole house of cards doesn't come falling down very soon.

R385 "Michael Jackson Admits to Holes in Stories" and "Leaving Neverland Director Makes U Turn on Michael Jackson Accusers Claim"

"Michael Jackson Director.."

[quote] Most likely fan reed was flustered by the Crazy fans and misspoke. The loonies can upset anyone.

Of course (bursts out laughing)

r387 when those stories are leads on the news then I will be impressed. Who fucking cares what the top google results are? I don't see it anywhere on my news pages. You're the only asshole I see talking about. Oh and some kook named Smallcombe.

[quote]You’re lynching a black man from beyond the grave by giving credence to a bunch of little WHITE lies...

Your idol chose to bleach his skin with chemicals instead of using safe skin dyes to match his natural skin. Your idol taped his fingertips to hide the black skin underneath his nails that couldn't be bleached. Your idol butchered his nose to rid of any trace of ethnicity. Your idol wore wigs of non-ethnic hair. Your idol dated and married only white women. Your idol had his white wife use a white man's sperm so he could have white babies.

Your sick fuck idol was the epitome of a racist.

Why did Michael Jackson call Boys to Men?

Because he thought it was a delivery service!

What did Michael Jackson say to Lorena Bobbit?

"SILLY Bobbit! Dicks are for KIDS!"

What is the difference between Michael Jackson and a grocery bag?

One is white, plastic and dangerous for children. You put groceries in the other.

Wait so let me get this straight...MJ haters have been perfectly fine eating up each and every contradiction and new piece of information about these allegation, even giving seemingly crazy responses (looking at him "seeing" BOTH MJ and Brandi) to make the story work because he believes them "100%"

But when it comes to him explicitly saying Safechuck got the abuse dates wrong and NOT the train station that didn't exist, he's suddenly wrong and there's a new train station Safechuck hasn't even talked about?

I mean they had photos and drone views of the new train station in the film as he told the story. Don't you think Safechuck would have said "wait, that's not the place I was at my freshman year of HS" at all? The excuses are monumental.

R143, that's a truly surreal moment. She grimaces immediately afterwards, as though she's only just realised how disturbing it sounds now that she's said it out loud.

[quote]Wait so let me get this straight...

The only thing you stans need to get straight is that you're warped cunts.

What was Michael Jackson's favorite nursery rhyme?

Little Boy Blew

This is so crazy. The W and J sympathizers have taken a completely different stance from the actual "documentary" creator in response to poor Safechuck saying he was absurd in a place that didn't exist until he was 16, when he's swore and maintained the alleged abuse stopped years prior when he was traded in for another of many who say no abuse happened.

Anyway, the filmmaker says the dates were wrong, but the delusional people supporting these proven liars are going against the man who actually researched the film to spread another theory about some other train station!

"Suddenly the end of Safechuck’s abuse was when he was 16/17 rather than 14," he wrote. "It’s a three year discrepancy. Just hold your hands up, don’t change the story. This is what happens when you don’t investigate properly."

r396 Glad you finally learned that we are "MJ haters" and the not the opposite, "anti-MJ haters" also, no one gives a shit about the train station, no one looked it up because no one fucking cares. I hope your troll hiring bosses don't pay you this week because you have changed no one's mind and have made people who were on the fence fucking truly hate MJ.

And saying he was never allowed to leave his house and had to be a recluse is total bullshit. He was often spotted at Wal-mart when boy's pants were half off.

"Michael Jackson molested me too. I'm gonna sue his ass!"

Wade discredited as a serial liar, and Safechuck discovering time travel. Talk about re-vindicating Michael Jackson. Whenever one of you mentions either of these people I hope you know their bonkers behaviors and inconsistent timelines leave room for no explanation to justify abuse...but please let's change the subject back to Michael Jackson to deflect from the holes in a film that Dan Reed says isn't about him!

Why did MJ get food poisoning?

Because he ate a 9 year old weiner.

Cannon also clarifies a recent point he made about the reaction to Harvey Weinstein, conceding that even though there's a Sundance documentary that few people have seen, he's still waiting to see his mugshot like everyone else.

Crazy how Oprah dropped this faster than a hot potato and cleared out Twitter, Instagram, YouTube etc. interviews and promo.

Are you seriously insane r405? This fucking thread is about MJ, we don't need to change the subject back to him. You should use your weaponized autism for good instead of evil. Are you familiar with shoes that were covered in a flood of brown poo? Cause you go on and on about shit like you are.

"As a reminder, back on February 8 @HBO's @Caseybloys told @Variety's @gdanielholloway that #LeavingNeverland film “absolutely” meets its "standards for documentary filmmaking." No doubt he's regretting those words given Safechuck's train station fiasco is blowing up. "

R408 is triggered. Those were the director's words, not mine. He thinks this film isn't about MJ.

"weaponized autism?" You mean like this?

Thank god Nick Cannon weighed in! Now I know what to think about this. Especially when he is wearing a wife beater and a fucking turbie towel, super credible and legit.

Watching a 40 year old man lie about being molested in a train station numerous times when it didn't even exist is so crazy. I hope James has health insurance. Unlike Wade, he didn't have to auction off tens of thousands in MJ memorabilia to find his "therapy costs" in 2011 when he invented the story lol.

Guys, You realize that there is only 2 or 3 Jacko's crazed stans on here posting this crap about James and Wade, I blocked them and I don't see their trolling posts. Block them and let them talk to their deranged self.

BUT BUT BUT THE TRAIN STATION 😂😂😂

R413 The "I'm going to keep obsessively talking about people I've blocked" TROLL is back.

R411 and don't forget Aaron Carter, Paris Hilton and Piers Morgan. Jacko's supporters are embarrassing! LMAO

Complex article about the key detail that derails Safechuck's timeline (see what I did there...with the non-existent train thing?)

R416 Damn, Aaron Carter was one of the 'HE'S JUST A VICTIM WHO IS LYING" people who you needed to string this now debunked timeline together. I wonder if he said he was at the train station too you would believe him then?

413 here, I checked my ignore list, and I realized these countless trolling pro Jacko posts are from just ONE deranged person.

There were TWO train stations, R418, so your theory is debunked. Off you go now to your Pedos Anonymous meeting.

R419, that doesn't surprise me, the manic autistic style is the same throughout. I'm thinking an old man in a care home, maybe around 70 years old?

R416 I'll take those over Perez HIlton, who curiously enough, has frequently been subjected to pedo jokes.

R422 Perhaps he's deflecting.

[quote] There were TWO train stations

There is only one with two stories and that's the one that was pictured in the documentary. James has seen the film so he would have been able to tell Dan Reed it was the wrong one. And no, Dan Reed didn't mispeak. If he did, he would have clarified his statement by now. Reed and Safechuck need to release a statement like right now.

Not only were there at least TWO stations, there were TWO RAILWAYS! So James is vindicated.

From Wikipedia:

The amusement park included two railroads: one 3 ft (914 mm) narrow gauge named "Neverland Valley Railroad", with a steam locomotive named Katherine after his mother (Crown 4-4-0 (2B), built in 1973), and two coaches. The other was a 2 ft (610 mm) narrow gauge, with a C. P. Huntington replica locomotive made by Chance Rides.[16]

Rather than run around in circles with you about "TWO train stations" R425 does Reed saying: "Yeah there seems to be no doubt about the station date. The date they have wrong is the end of the abuse" in response to Smallcombe's tweet that says: "In the last couple of hours I’ve been given access to the Santa Barbara County construction permits for the Neverland train station by my source - approved Sept 2, 1993" have any bearing on your unverified claim that "more information is dug up revealing there was also a 1990 station."

It wouldn't matter even if the 1990 station was an identical clone (extremely unlikely), because an alternative explanation has been given--"the date they have wrong is the end of the abuse". Not to mention there were pictures and a drone video of the new train station in the film while Safechuck told the story. Unless Reed isn't credible now after being fully trusted to explain everything else with an equal nonsense and BS?

Karma is real. Dan Reed stole drone footage and used it in his movie that was property from the brokerage that is selling Neverland...to also cause likely financial loss for them as well. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

"A lot of the alleged inconsistencies the MJ defenders has dished up against Wade and James post-LN has for the most part been quite thin weaksauce, but this one is serious and I think needs to be adressed properly. If I was Dan Reed I would even drop my bags, take a camera and fly to James Safechuck and make an ad-addendum to the documentary to what the deal is with this train station dillemma. MJ fans will not hold back exhausting this for a long time."

-From a poster on mjfacts.com

There were several train stations, two from the 70s, one of which had two storeys. MJ raped a slew of children in the room above.

"Although some speculate that there may have been some temporary train station or something else James was actually referring to - Dan Reed has gone on Twitter and denied this and instead given the explanation that Jackson were still abusing James in 1993-1994, making James 16 years old and this goes against his story otherwise."

Who fucking cares if Reed is "credible now"? It's not his story, it's not his abuse. He fucked up vetting some shit, so what? MJ is still always now going to be remembered for his disgusting pedo proclivities. Oh wait, he already was, it's why he moved to Dubai. And I guarantee his own family is happy he's gone, now there is money in his estate once more since he isn't spending millions paying off the kids he fucked. Now I know you want to construct a reply about time travel and how the twittersphere is OUTRAGED and turning against Safechuck but honestly, cupcake, only assholes like you are doing that, only assholes care about the fine distinction. Non morons can see this shit doesn't matter and MJ was a fucking monster.

R426 it was explained why that excuse doesn't work in R426.

Dan Reed has not clarified his remark because he knows he stepped in it big time. The film is 4 hours long and doesn't provide a narrative that asserts Safechuck was being molested after 92. Why would Dan Reed make that claim now? And remember Safechuck stated that this abuse took place during the "honeymoon stage". It's easy to mention the train station since that was the most egregious example, but I wouldn't be surprised if those other claims turn out to be dubious as well since there were other places he mentioned that were still being built after the honeymoon should have been over.

R431 Actually, MJ will be remembered as someone who was subject to false allegations (disproven by construction records, lawsuits, timelines, and behavior) after his death. This is only furthering support for his innocence among many millions of people while alive. But we can agree to disagree.

r434

Dubai is notorious for its trade in underage sex slaves, so MJ moved there deliberately. He had cute Persian 7 year olds served up to him nightly by the local warlords.

Depraved.

R433 I agree with everything you say about the entire film being unchanged in that the abuse waned at 12/13 stopped completely at 14. His lawsuits say the same thing. However, Dan Reed has said the abuse dates were wrong. There is no jumping around that--I hate to break the bad news but the director of the film (who has claimed he 100% believes this and they have no reason to lie...etc.) has backtracked on his own claim. If he misspoke, then he could just as easily make a correction tweet. He hasn't.

R435 *music streams rise*

r437

A 4 hour documentary and all they can come up with is one stupid inconsistency about a train station? Lol

Damn it! How did I think I could get away with this? I stepped it in big time!

Michael will be known forever as a grotesque child rapist who stuck his tongue up a seven year old boy's anus. No squawking about the many train stations on Neverland Ranch can alter that.

Whenever the world hears Thriller, Bad, Dangerous or Heal the World, that monstrous image will rear its head.

No one could emote like Michael. This song still gives me chills.

"A 4 hour documentary and all they can come up with is one stupid inconsistency about a train station? Lol"

Translation: Dozens of inconsistencies and lies have been brought out about each accuser's story over the past 11 threads but I can't BS past this one so move on!

Bad Lyrics below.

This is Michael threatening his victims, virtually a confession of pedophilia. Just look at the first line for fuck's sake.

Your butt is mine

Gonna tell you right

Just show your face

In broad daylight

I'm telling you

On how I feel

Gonna hurt your mind

Don't shoot to kill

Come on

Come on

Lay it on me

All right

I'm giving you

On count of three

To show your stuff

Or let it be

I'm telling you

Just watch your mouth

I know your game

What you're about

Well they say the sky's the limit

And to me that's really true

But my friend you have seen nothin'

Just wait 'til I get through

Because I'm bad, I'm bad come on

You know I'm bad, I'm bad come on, you know

You know I'm bad, I'm bad come on, you know

And the whole world has to

Answer right now

Just to tell you once again

Who's bad

R174, Lisa Marie did not protect HER OWN KIDS, why would she give a fuck about some rando kids?

COS wanted his $$$ and he loved $$$ even more than 7 year olds, so, no go.

Lisa Marie and children

R174

R445 Your confession is about as solid as claiming multiple molestations occurred in a place not constructed until the already 14 year old accuser almost reached adulthood.

No trier of fact has substantiated their claims, in a civil arena or criminal. Instead, they owe tens of thousands in legal fees to the estate--for not being timely or credible.

There were people around him who told him to knock it off with parading the little boys around and the sleepovers, esp after the first case. Jacko replied that he did not want to. And that was that.

James Safechuck is a seriously fucked up looking, sick individual. His faking of an abuse claim sets real victims back years. As someone who knows survivors of child abuse (but unlike the kind "experienced" by Amanda Robson before being deleted from Wade's website) I am sickened by the development and have no choice but to now spread the truth as loudly as I spread the lie. Their own words. Sick, sick man.

Sick liar.

Reminds me of this video...James "mentally unstable" Safechuck has. Faked abuse.. absolutely evil.

Lisa Marie is as dumb as a bag of rocks, and like Jacko and his fans thought she was clever enough to cover up crimes. I doubt the act came out of the goodness of her heart, more like she was a thrill seeker. Someone who enjoyed wielding power over abused children.

So now with the train station distraction over, will MJ fans be moving their attention back to Wade with "Wade couldn't have been molested because he was dating Brandi...."

R427 But the drone footage is the only thing we've kept in every cut!

James Safechuck is a hero. He told the truth about being abused above one of several NL stations. He deserves plenty of money from MJ's estate, as do all the other lost boys of Neverland.

MJ was demonic. So glad he died aged 50 after a last few desperate years raping little Arabian children in corrupt Dubai.

R456 Right, so now you know better than the director of the film? "Several train stations" smh. Give it up. He was caught red handed.

America is supposed to be a place where everyone is given due process. I cannot believe how people can believe these perjurers when there is an abundance of exculpatory evidence that proves the opposite of the allegations of this film and your post.

I'm all for victims being given a voice, but are you sure that these two are victims? They are actors and they are both lying for financial reasons. Wade's career was in the toilet because he had burned bridges with his peers and he had cheated on his girlfriend, Brandi Jackson, the niece of Michael Jackson with Brittany Spears. He had an affair with a famous married woman and some underage girls, yet he claims he didn't realize that he was abused until he was grown and in his 30's. His nickname in the dance community is Uncle Pervy because of the way he tried to push up and feel on the young girls on the sly in his dance classes. Safechuck's family was being sued for almost $900k at the time that he joined Wade's lawsuit against Michael's estate, which was thrown out twice by the judge. Once for being past the statue of limitations, although Wade claimed that he didn't know about the estate, but yet met with the estate attorney to direct the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soliel shows. After he was rejected, then he realized he was allegedly abused. The second time, he tried to sue Michael's company's and tried to hide the evidence of his emails in discovery that he was asking him mother for information or he was getting if from anti-Michael Jackson sites. He changed his story so many times that the judge ruled that no credible jury would be believe it. Wade and James have changed their stories again for the film and for numerous interviews. Their stories comes from a fiction book written by Victor Guiterez called, Michael Jackson was my lover, the diary of Jordie Chandler. Michael sued this guy and won a verdict of $2.7 million. Safechuck has just been outed for saying that he was molested at the Neverland train station and it wasn't even built during the times of his claims. The director of LN is now trying to change the dates to match the timeline, now saying that James was molested until he was 16. It's in the news if you read it. Doesn't that ruin the narrative that Michael threw them away for other boys when they got older? This is an insult to real victims, including myself.

I could go on and about how much these two have flat out lied. Wade tried to get a book deal before he even filed suit, but no one was interested. He has stated emphatically for many years that he was never molested. James has stated that he was not molested in 93, but now tells told several lies that he refused to testify in the 2005 trial but was never called to be a witness in the case.. The #metoo movement has become like the Salem witch trials. You must be a witch because I say you are a witch and you will be burned at the stake, even if you might be innocent. It's doesn't matter that the facts say otherwise. It's a dangerous path to set when due process is tossed out the window and reputations are ruined on allegations tried in the court of public opinion. This man has been dead for 10 years and he won his day in court. Media and those with a public voice have the responsibility to make sure what they are writing is accurate, true and fair.

Sick jobless fucker at R458, Robson was a child in 1993 and Spacko's lawyers told him in 2005 that if he changed his story he would be jailed for perjury. Why is that so hard for your warped pedo mind to grasp? The Me Too culture of the last year encouraged both of them to come forward.

I have already shown you Wikipedia evidence of there being more than one train station, so why are you still harping on about that?

R454, according R444, there are a ton of lies in the documentary. They didn't mention that they were all a product of their pea brain's imagination, Bwah. Not one substantial smoking gun. Furthermore, what they fail to acknowledge is that Leaving Neverland is just a small piece of why people think Michael Jackson was a pedophile. All they do is deflect and repeat the same thing over and over... wash, rinse, repeat. There is no defending Michael Jackson at this point. Honestly, Michael should have stopped being defended when Jordan accused him and when he admitted to sleeping with little boys. It's funny, that the argument being made is that LN was one sided, so were Michael's interviews feigning his innocence for years.

Actually it is a pretty big mistake because it makes James' whole story kinda unbelievable and that is because he stressed it more than once that he was replaced by Brett Barnes. In the complaint, it is said that Brett would mark the end of James' abuse. Barnes' prime time was in 1992. In late 1993, Jackson preferred Jordan and later picked up Frank and Eddie Cascio, instead of travelling alone with Brett. In 1994, Brett was barely seen around Jackson. So it makes absolutely no sense for Reed to claim that James Safechuck was still molested as a youth, if he said that Brett becoming a special friend of Jackson would mark the end of James' abuse. None of that makes any sense at all. Especially if you think about the fact that Brett was extremely close between late 1991 and early 1993. In 1994, Jackson was seen with Frank and Eddie during vacations, not Brett.

And I agree with fans here, it's not a minor issue at all, because his whole story (grooming-abusing-replacing-dumping) appears unbelievable now. It's not just fans that disbelieve James now, also ordinary people. Please also consider that they showed the train station that was build in late 1993 in the documentary. And James seemed to imply that he remembered a specific incident.

r458 We know you could go on and on, you have, like a fucking autist about train stations and time machines and 70k lawsuits (really? ha, like that's a huge amount) just fuck off and stop posting those tacky pictures. And stop at r461 with saying you agree with fans here, you are the the only fan here who is saying this whacked out shit. Do you really think that anyone believes that anyone but you is posting this shit?

The Santa Barbara DA, Tom Sneddon, with assistance from Diane Dimond type media, helped dignify fake cases. This is the type of crap Michael went through.

R461 So now sick fans are trying to find contradictions in the order of which Jackson molested his victims in? Okay, that is one of the sickest and most revolting you have said so far. Please get help before you end up hurting a child.

R462 "We know you could go on and on, you have, like a fucking autist about train stations and time machines and 70k lawsuits (really? ha, like that's a huge amount)"

No, the 70k was what they were ordered to pay in legal costs when their billion dollar lawsuits failed miserably, just like claiming to be abused when they were 16/17 now.

We got fucked by a demonic freak and THEN died of cancer, this is the the kind of shit WE went through.

R464 "[R461] So now sick fans are trying to find contradictions in the order of which Jackson molested his victims in? Okay, that is one of the sickest and most revolting you have said so far. Please get help before you end up hurting a child."

No, those contradictions disprove the abuse claims entirely (I was 17 doesn't quite work as well as I was 14 and phased out).

R466 Maybe if someone had actually accused him of fucking them it would be more believable, but the only person Safechuck has fucked with this nonsense is himself and Dan Reed.

They were dead r468, they couldn't accuse him. Also, 17 does work as well as 14 since both are fucking illegal.

R469 Sure, Jan

Dan digs himself a deeper hole.

And I think we can officially retire the Wikipedia evidence of "several train stations". It's clear Dan and James meant that one train station featured in the doc. Good luck trying to explain it.

Oh fuck off r472, we don't have to retire anything, you don't control this fucking narrative. You've changed no one's minds and no one is going to shelve anything anyone said because you deem it a lie.

Jackson was a serial liar. His whole life was a lie. You want to see lies in action just watch Jackson's face everytime he attempts to open his mouth in the Martin Bashir or Diane Swayer interviews. Fascinating though that the makers of Leaving Neverland are not doggedly defending their work, just slowly letting it sink in for the fans and haters alike.

Leaving Neverland viewers after spending 4 hours listening to abuse and finding out the train station didn't even exist.

No it's not, it wasn't good the first time you posted it either r475. This is too good.

You can defend Jackson until the dogs come home, but the consensus out in the street is that he's guilty. That's why co-operations and businesses have had to assess their risks around Jackson and have decided that it isn't safe to play pedo music, or have pedo merchandise on the shelves especially when there are children around.

Norm Macdonald said, "Friends of Lisa Marie and Jackson weren't surprised the couple split since she's more of a "stay at home" type and he's more of a homosexual pedophile." Look at that, no mention of any train station was needed, Robson wasn't even brought up.

"Jackson has said that his 3 month old son is a chip off the old block, in fact, he's already molested a one month old!"

I mean everyone suspected James got his shit from MJ Was My Lover, but who knew now he's actually gonna claim MJ was his loser.

Molested numerous times in a place that didn't exist, loving up on MJ until 16/17. Safechuck really is a damn, pathetic fool.

Just searched 'MJ Dubai' and came across a hilarious discussion on the Dubai Trip Advisor forum from 2005. Residents were discussing MJ's pedophile propensities and fervently hoping he hadn't bought property there. They joked that he would be a regular at camel races, where the jockeys are often 10-12 year olds.

Even in 2005, the world knew he was a child abuser and didn't want him in their city.

Well of course they were worried r481. MJ was a homosexual pedophile!

R461:

Actually it is a pretty big mistake because it makes James' whole story kinda unbelievable and that is because he stressed it more than once that he was replaced by Brett Barnes. In the complaint, it is said that Brett would mark the end of James' abuse. Barnes' prime time was in 1992. In late 1993, Jackson preferred Jordan and later picked up Frank and Eddie Cascio, instead of travelling alone with Brett. In 1994, Brett was barely seen around Jackson. So it makes absolutely no sense for Reed to claim that James Safechuck was still molested as a youth, if he said that Brett becoming a special friend of Jackson would mark the end of James' abuse. None of that makes any sense at all. Especially if you think about the fact that Brett was extremely close between late 1991 and early 1993. In 1994, Jackson was seen with Frank and Eddie during vacations, not Brett.

And I agree with fans here, it's not a minor issue at all, because his whole story (grooming-abusing-replacing-du - mping) appears unbelievable now. It's not just fans that disbelieve James now, also ordinary people. Please also consider that they showed the train station that was build in late 1993 in the documentary. And James seemed to imply that he remembered a specific incident.

In his complaint he says the abuse stopped at 14, he says this in your film and if it isn’t true it defeats the narrative of your film that Michael lost interest when they hit puberty’s. You’re lying again, Dan.

R484 Cont.

Lmao "Dude, give it up. You see there are these things called math/time. Once Safechuck can’t be abused in the train house until at LEAST mid-1994, then he’s 16 years old & your entire narrative of MJ’s MO, not to mention Safechuck’s lawsuit testimony, gets blown to bits! "

r483 are you agreeing with yourself in your quote at r461? We all know it's you posting all this shit. I miss trolldar.

Oh shit, as if the train station that didn't exist lie is bad enough now they've got another Grand Canyon story they're tearing apart. Part 13 here we come.

Another good take in response to "memories evolve" nonsense.

"Safehouse described in great detail sexual abuse that didn't happen, in a place that didn't exist, and at a time where he wasn't around. He's lied and Reed's excuses are the stuff of amateur hour."

Safehouse r488? Wow, this dumb fucker doesn't even know his name. And what a Freudian slip! If only that house at Neverland had been safe, it wasn't though, it was owned by a monstrous pedophile.

When you Google Michael Jackson now.

Lol R489 ignores the entire post. Typical LN truther behavior.

This whole thing just proves the slogan right.

Facts don't lie. People do.

...my penis, my torso, my lower buttocks, my thighs....

"Not little girls... not little ugly boys... just cute little motherfuckin' tight-ass mmm-mmm boys!"

My name is James Safechuck, and I'm so mentally ill I said Jackson repeatedly molested me in a place that didn't even exist yet.

Repost:

America is supposed to be a place where everyone is given due process. I cannot believe how people can believe these perjurers when there is an abundance of exculpatory evidence that proves the opposite of the allegations of this film and your post.

I'm all for victims being given a voice, but are you sure that these two are victims? They are actors and they are both lying for financial reasons. Wade's career was in the toilet because he had burned bridges with his peers and he had cheated on his girlfriend, Brandi Jackson, the niece of Michael Jackson with Brittany Spears. He had an affair with a famous married woman and some underage girls, yet he claims he didn't realize that he was abused until he was grown and in his 30's. His nickname in the dance community is Uncle Pervy because of the way he tried to push up and feel on the young girls on the sly in his dance classes. Safechuck's family was being sued for almost $900k at the time that he joined Wade's lawsuit against Michael's estate, which was thrown out twice by the judge. Once for being past the statue of limitations, although Wade claimed that he didn't know about the estate, but yet met with the estate attorney to direct the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soliel shows. After he was rejected, then he realized he was allegedly abused. The second time, he tried to sue Michael's company's and tried to hide the evidence of his emails in discovery that he was asking him mother for information or he was getting if from anti-Michael Jackson sites. He changed his story so many times that the judge ruled that no credible jury would be believe it. Wade and James have changed their stories again for the film and for numerous interviews. Their stories comes from a fiction book written by Victor Guiterez called, Michael Jackson was my lover, the diary of Jordie Chandler. Michael sued this guy and won a verdict of $2.7 million. Safechuck has just been outed for saying that he was molested at the Neverland train station and it wasn't even built during the times of his claims. The director of LN is now trying to change the dates to match the timeline, now saying that James was molested until he was 16. It's in the news if you read it. Doesn't that ruin the narrative that Michael threw them away for other boys when they got older? This is an insult to real victims, including myself.

I could go on and about how much these two have flat out lied. Wade tried to get a book deal before he even filed suit, but no one was interested. He has stated emphatically for many years that he was never molested. James has stated that he was not molested in 93, but now tells told several lies that he refused to testify in the 2005 trial but was never called to be a witness in the case.. The #metoo movement has become like the Salem witch trials. You must be a witch because I say you are a witch and you will be burned at the stake, even if you might be innocent. It's doesn't matter that the facts say otherwise. It's a dangerous path to set when due process is tossed out the window and reputations are ruined on allegations tried in the court of public opinion. This man has been dead for 10 years and he won his day in court. Media and those with a public voice have the responsibility to make sure what they are writing is accurate, true and fair.

Why are you reposting shit you posted thirty seconds ago r496? Jesus, you must be feeling pressed.

They’re still lying about Oprah. She had NOTHING relating to LN on her personal Twitter or Insta. Nothing. Only on her business OWN YouTube account - where LOL, they remain.

Dan Reed is so delusional on Twitter. Seeing all the replies to his tweets calling out the nonsense is truly interesting.

"What facts did I get wrong @piersmorgan ? Do tell"

"Dan the list is endless. The dates of the abuse in a place that didn’t exist, the edited birthday & lawyer video, the meal, the times they are at neverland, the woman hating from MJ, the 💰motive, hidden lawsuit of Safechuck family, the mother dancing he was dead before she knew"

This is golden.

James Safechuck: And he said "I'm gonna purchase this house (Neverland) and it's gonna be yours"

Fact: Michael Jackson had bought Neverland in Summer 1987, months before the phone call from Australia that allegedly started the relationship with the Safechucks in Nov 87.

I mean Dan asking what did I get wrong shows he isn't operating with a full deck just like Safechuck.

Subtitled video of Dan Reed saying he investigated for 18 months to make sure there weren't any contradictions. And to think Martin Bashir was disgraced, this guy is a laughing stock.

The one thing they do come with is the video and documentary evidence.

"By the way Dan, it seems like you really had no clue about the construction date of the train station (or you deliberately chose to ignore it?) since you also used footages of it to illustrate the first visit of the Robsons in February 1990 😅"

While Michael Jackson’s favourite Disney film may have been ‘Peter Pan’, it’s growing more and more obvious by the day that Dan Reed’s favourite is ‘Pinocchio.’

One thing that activated the black community to remind Oprah that tarnishing innocent black me won't fly. Mo'Nique going off on her for over an hour (clip below.)

R504 ^innocent black men

Mo'nique is fucking insane and her dragging Oprah means nothing. If Mo'nique AGREED with you, then you'd have issues. Her whole victim mentality is losing her gigs left and right and that's why she has time to make these dumb fucking videos, like you have time for these dumb postings.

I just sent an email to Jimmy Safechuck thanking him.

His seriously pathetic lie about being molested numerous times in a non-existent bedroom at a non-existent train station, now substantiated by Reed poor attempt to present it as at a later date (yeah right) does more to help the "believe the victims of false accusers" movement than anything else anyone can say.

Thank you Safechuck for being a closeted, mentally ill enough man to fuck up so big in your abuse that have repaired any damage you and Wade tried to cause to the man's reputation. Let the streams keep increasing! No need to reply to my message.

R461 I'm noticing that more fans of Jackson are using this "devils advocate" style of rationale, not so much to defend Jacko, but because they are so obsessed with discrediting Wade and James they are willing to shoot themselves in the feet and make Jackson look guilty to win an argument.

I suggest not whipping yourself up into such a frenzy before posting, otherwise you're actually winning for the opposition....

OMG I hope you really did r507, and that you get doxxed and publicly flamed for harassing these people.

R509 I did, from ProtonMail, and am considering sending it to his coworkers on LinkedIn so they can be aware how he spends his salary, paying legal fees for false abuse allegations.

Why would his coworkers give a rat's ass how he spends his salary? Oh please do! Christ they would take up a gofund me to buy him an island to get away from whackos like you, maybe even build him a train so he can do some exposure therapy and kill the bad, rapey train memories he has.

Rare photo of Safechuck at Neverland

The train station troll has gone berserk.

There were at least two separate stations and two railways.

They have zero evidence that the abuse didn't take place.

Where is filthy MJ buried? His grave deserves to be defiled.

The reaction to this doc leaves no doubt If Jacko was still alive we'd be looking at Jonestown or Waco inspired suicide protests. Frumpy fraus, Asian yuppies and Black Aspergers teenagers all holding hands and leaping from the clifftop with "You Are Not Alone" playing in the background.

R513 Again, Dan Reed has said Safechuck got the abuse date wrong, not that there were two stations. You must be working pretty hard to push a a narrative that even your precious director himself put out of the picture.

TWO STATIONS!

I don't think that many black people really think he's innocent r514, not in the way that they would go to the mat for him. I heard Patrice O' Neal once talking about how black people will get behind famous black people simply because they don't like the man taking them down, not because they believe in them. There were as many black comedians joking about this as there were white ones. I feel like it would be more the frau-y type and the lunatics like the train station asshole on here.

And, R498, they're ALSO still lying about Dan Reed having "admitted" to filming Jimmy's jewelry scene "17 months later"... here's R205:

[quote]let's not also forget his pathetic jewelry scene. Reed had to admit the scene was not all shot at one time but 17 MONTHS later.

And here's me, at R250:

[quote]Okay, so... the Jacko-stans here have been repeating, ad nauseam, that Dan Reed "admitted" to filming Jimmy's jewelry scene "17 months later," however, I have been scouring the internet for a couple of weeks now searching for ANY such "admission" from Dan Reed, and there does not appear to be one. The ONLY source to be found for this "17 months later" claim seems to be from random Twitter users who simply repeat the statement over and over again, without proof (fake news at its best, folks). If any of you pedo-defenders would care to correct me, I'm listening...

And here's the delusional, pedo-defending fantard attempting to legitimize this flat-out lie, first at R255, then at R267:

[quote]Dan Reed discusses the rings in a Q&A in French, saying he asked Safechuck repeatedly to go and find them before interviewing him again months later. He also has said the dates of each interview.

[quote] Give me a few minutes, I am bilingual and will have to find it, but I believe in giving you his exact words and not tabloid garbage. You can Google the interview days yourself--I believe it's in an article on Billboard where he gives exact dates.

Nope, sorry, hon... there ain't no such "Q&A in French" nor "article on Billboard," and your "few minutes" has now turned into 17 hours. Once again... repeating (and re-tweeting) the same lie over and over again, whether on Twitter or DataLounge, does NOT make it true. Still waiting...

r515 Our precious director? I don't think it can be said anymore, no one had to watch this fucking movie to know this shit. Norm Macdonald made those jokes about him 24 fucking years ago, probably the time that the SECOND train station was built. We have all known MJ was a homosexual pedo for many, many years. This movie doesn't change any minds, I haven't even watched it and have no interest in seeing it, I lived through it, did you? I remember all that shit, we all know this already.

The Neverland Ranch should be renamed PAEDAGGEDON.

R518 It's been well circulated that:

1. Dan Reed interviewed Robson 3 times, and Safechuck twice (he returned the second time saying he had found some jewelry and Reed told him to "bring it")

2. The dates of the Safechuck's interviews are online. They were sometime apart from each other.

Is the hill you want to die on?

Here is a Buzzfeed article from March 3rd (before anyone even caught on to the ring issue) where it also mentions he found the ring before his second interview sometime later and dan told him to "bring it."

I haven't found time to find the dates of all their interviews, but if you are truly interested do some research instead of insisting you have a gotcha and making someone else do it for you.

R519 Speak for yourself, his hundreds of millions of fans and multibillion dollar estate (of which W and J didn't get shit but a legal fees order from) disagrees.

People say there's no smoke without fire but in this case the whole mountainside has been burning for over 20 years.

It's only a multi billion dollar estate because MJ is dead and not having to pay off rape victims anymore. He died in debt and having to do some shit tour because he had lost so much money on his compulsion for raping young boys.

Dozens of woman sued MJ seeking compensation because they claim a MJ song is actually about them. One woman Sued for $1 billion dollars claiming that she was Billy Jean, another one for being Annie from Smooth criminal. Countless allegations of plagiarism, people seeking custody and so on. This must all be true too then. #BelieveVictims

MJ was buried in Forest Lawns cemetary but apparently officials refuse to disclose the exact location as the grave is at huge risk of being defiled, as it should be.

Would love to get a can of red paint and spray JUNKIE PEDO on his tombstone.

This time a woman who sued MJ claiming he abused her as a girl before being discredited.

These people are the best defense against Jackson.

Yes r526, we do know that those WOMEN were lying because MJ was a homosexual pedo, but the boys, not so much.

[quote]Why are you reposting shit you posted thirty seconds ago [R496]? Jesus, you must be feeling pressed.

R497, I think he/she/they/it is just anxious to get to Lucky Thread #13... either that, or the shill gets paid overtime for posting in the middle of the night, LOL. Oh, and speaking of Part 13... here we go (and thankfully, this thread has been started by a sane, NON-pedo-apologist... or as the Jacko-stans like to say, an "MJ-hating racist white gay")...

Mj's tomb has already been desecrated once. The sick fucker has a picture of three little children on his headstone!

Another victim! #TimesUp #MeToo

"Michael Jackson forced to prove Billie Jean was not his lover"

I hope it has been subtitled BUT THE TRAIN STATION

R533 BUT THE TRAIN STATION ***DID NOT FOR EXIST FOR YEARS AFTER WHEN SAFECHUCK SAID HE WAS MOLESTED THERE NUMEROUS TIMES

Fixed for ya

Jesus, R532, Michael looks beyond grotesque. All shining and sweating with the cocaine/benzos/opiates combo that he kept topped up all day.

Get fucked, jobless fugtard at R534. Wiki tells us there were two railways and several stations.

R536 Again, Dan Reed has said Safechuck got the abuse date wrong, not that there were two stations. Regardless of what Wikipedia told you, an upper bedroom in a train station that we saw film from as Safechuck described the abuse is where it would have happened. You must be working pretty hard to push a a narrative that even your precious director himself didn't try to push. If he had, I'm sure even more construction records would have dug him deeper into the lie.

I remember when MJ married that pig Debbie Rowe and she then had those kids who aren't his biologically. My older sister said, "he had those kids with a sperm donor's kid so that he wouldn't feel bad when he molests them since they aren't his real kids." Young me thought that was pretty far out, but now it seems true. Who did knock up that disgusting cunt? I wonder if he knows that his sperm was being used to populate a pedo's house, I hope he feels bad.

[quote]I haven't found time to find the dates of all their interviews, but if you are truly interested do some research instead of insisting you have a gotcha and making someone else do it for you.

Haha, nice try, kiddie-diddler at R522... but YOU did the "gotcha" when you fabricated this "17 months later" bullshit, you pedo-defending freak.

I think Mj chose a Latino with blue eyes as the father. Thick straight dark hair, light eyes. Only Paris got the blue eyes and he wasn't interested in her.

R538 I remember when a man said his anus was licked until he was 14, and it was later revealed that the place it supposedly happened numerous times never existed, so then the director said his anus was actually licked until he was almost an adult. Even though he was not still visiting Neverland, and Jackson was no longer living there. Poor James Safechuck.

Paid train troll is getting tired, he keeps saying this, making him seem like a petulant moron, "You must be working pretty hard to push a a narrative that even your precious director himself put out of the picture." Saying it doesn't make it true, say it a thousand more times.

Safechuck was abused all over the world, not just in the station His deposition is 200 pages long, yet still this autistic, unemployed fantard squawks on about that one station that was built a bit later.

R543 Calling out lies from his and Wade's complaint depositions has been something the MJ haters have tried to deflect from for several threads now. If you would like me to repost 25+ contradictions in each thread again between what they said on film and in their lawsuits then I can do that.

No one wants you to do that r544, except whoever is paying you to post here. But it doesn't matter, the discrepancies don't fucking matter. MJ was a homosexual pedophile and everyone knows it. Also, nobody is reading the bullshit that you post, we don't care what our precious director did or didn't day, we aren't mentally retarded 4th graders and have critical thinking skills.

R545 Two train stations. Right.

[quote]I don't think that many black people really think he's innocent [R514], not in the way that they would go to the mat for him. I heard Patrice O' Neal once talking about how black people will get behind famous black people simply because they don't like the man taking them down, not because they believe in them. There were as many black comedians joking about this as there were white ones. I feel like it would be more the frau-y type and the lunatics like the train station asshole on here.

So true, R517... case in point:

R545 Yes, I applied for the Instagram position but unfortunately SONY put me this site called DataLounge instead.

And here...

And here...

And here...

Hilarious, the person in the nazi LeavingNeverlandHBO reddit thread who discovered the second train station in a book and "Wikipedia" link on Reddit has backtracked. They tried hard to show Dan Reed was lying about James Safechuck making up the abuse in a place that didn't exist but no dice.

"So, it's not what I hoped but in the interest of us not spreading misinformation I can pretty much confirm that there was no second "Disneyland style" train station before the one built in 93/94"

LMAO. "I believe him 100%" even though the director has confirmed he lied about the timeline of being abused in a place multiple times. I mean the mindset of someone to continue and support once they are caught red handed is astounding.

"I admit, I am a little disappointed. I believe James 100% and think the abuse either went on past the construction of the station or he may be misremembering another location, but it would've been a lot simpler (and easier to shove down the stans throats) if there were simply another train previous train station.

But I thought I should bring this to everyone's attention so we don't spread bad information. That's definitely not going to help anything."

The depiction of train station abuse occurs between November 1987 and January 1990 according to Dan's own on-screen interludes. Four years before the train station existed.

If you watch Leaving Neverland, there are black screen sequential interludes throughout that distinctly separate what is being alleged and during what time frame.

The sexual abuse claims at the train station are told specifically between the November 1987 and January 1990 sequence interludes.

There is no way to distort that into thinking James was referring to some point many years later, as much as Dan is now trying to.

That timeline is consistent with everything else Little Jimmy claims, such as this being the honeymoon phase when the sexual relationship was growing.

DAN REED: I did a huge amount of digging along with, you know, quite a big research team into all of the available docs...going back to 93. We never found anything that caused ANY DOUBT on Wade or James' accounts. Of course we were looking REALLY HARD for that cause we didn't want to broadcast ANYTHING that'd make us look REALLY STUPID. (2DayFM Radio Interview)

Whoops, again.

Easily explained with fewer words

R555 Easily explained with fewer words, Michael Jackson = Homosexual Pedophile

James Safechuck = Proven Mentally Ill Faker of Sex Abuse R556

Jackson = laughing stock for decades Homosexual Pedophile

The trainweck at Neverland a reflection of Jackson's life.

Safechuck is not a fucking "proven mentally ill faker of sex abuse" asshole, and you need to watch what you fucking say, does your employer know you are skating this close to the line? Check yourself, shitlord.

R558 Your boycrush lied about sexual abuse and set back real victims years. No amount of MJ comic videos will change that. Sorry.

So, pedo-stan (as per R547, R549, R550, R551), "race" has absolutely NOTHING to do with this conversation, as much as you would like to say that it does. Men of ALL colors are being brought down now in the MeToo era, and the fact that some of these men happen to be black does NOT give you (or them) permission to pull the race card in order to defend their reprehensible behavior, simply because of the fact that they are (or in MJ's case, WERE) black... there is NO conspiracy to "take down the black man," honey, only your delusional rants and raves here on DataLounge...

Like Pedo-stan has an employer R560 That freak just posts here, praising his dead pedo favourite, don't you R561? Here are some more jokes for you while you catch your bad breath between posts.

[quote]I think Mj chose a Latino with blue eyes as the father. Thick straight dark hair, light eyes. Only Paris got the blue eyes and he wasn't interested in her.

IMO, Paris Jackson strongly resembles Macaulay Culkin's mother Patricia Brentrup.

[quote] "I admit, I am a little disappointed.

Hoping for victims. Sick.

Says R565 jerking off with one sparkly glove over the rotting corpse of a dead homosexual pedophile.

[quote]The reaction to this doc leaves no doubt If Jacko was still alive we'd be looking at Jonestown or Waco inspired suicide protests. Frumpy fraus, Asian yuppies and Black Aspergers teenagers all holding hands and leaping from the clifftop with "You Are Not Alone" playing in the background.

I hope they take that old hag Barbra "Witchiepoo" Streisand with them, along with virtue signaler Will.i.am.

R562 is the "look at these 80's black entertainers trashing MJ" white eldergay apologist. I bet you have a lot of black friends too, Jan. You don't see color.

Safechuck: MJ licked my anus when I was numerous times in a train station at Neverland (even though my mother said Jackson was hardly there when they were and the station wasn't built until years later when he was almost an adult.)

Reality: Safechuck was getting DP'd with raw loads at that train station while MJ was living across the country, and his mental illness is a pre-AIDs effect before the good meds came out.

I bet you don't have friends of any colour R568 and your only interest in protecting the black man is reserved for one so ashamed he turned himself white. You love a homosexual pedophile

weren't you boasting in an earlier rant that you were above personal attack R569? I'm not, you are a scum sucking parasite content to live by sucking on the rotted tit of a dead homosexual pedophile, a homosexual pedophile so twisted it tore its face to pieces and whitened its self hated skin, you are clearly loveless and friendless, we couldn't wish you a worse fate than the life you have.

[quote]Reality: Safechuck was getting DP'd with raw loads at that train station while MJ was living across the country, and his mental illness is a pre-AIDs effect before the good meds came out.

Wow, just wow... can't sink much lower than that, Jacko-stan. Ummm, congrats...?!

R572 Well MJ wasn't there, and I believe there was he was getting a lot more than his anus licked when he was there (if he was there, it's looking unlikely) at 16/17.

You've officially lost it R573 your love of the homosexual pedophile has led you to a very dark place, your AIDS 'joke' at R569 is your lowest point yet and after 24/7 posting shit for days that is saying something. Your babbling 'response' at R573 shows you are unsettled by your own ugliness. You really are pathetic.

I can only imagine how having his train station abuse incidents, and thus subsequent entire timeline, debunked and discredited has affected poor Safechuck's already fragile mental health.

I am not used to dealing with mentally ill abuse fakers, but as he mourns the loss of his dismissed lawsuits and credibility I think it's fair I drop this picture here (it was either this or the rings from the fake wedding to MJ).

R575 = Pathetic 'fan' posting day and night

R575 Thanks for that picture. James has an honest and humble face with kind eyes.

If you Google "most beautiful smile in the world" and hit images--the entire page MJ. No kidding.

If Wikileaks could hack Clinton's emails, they can do the same for Dan Reed. Russia banned the pedo-trash movie over there before it even aired. TWEET:

"Is the widely promoted documentary about Michael Jackson, #LeavingNeverland, true? We don't know, but high budget editing techniques can make an audience believe almost anything, true or false. An example dissection from @WikiLeaks"

MJ haters are still tweeting Starbucks saying the music is being played in stores after they put out that ill advised tweet. But just like the statue the media reported was being taken down, before the decision was reversed, Starbucks isn't living up to their rush-to-judgement.

The "Executive Care-High Priority" department responded to my email sent last week calling it a racially motivated decision akin to Emmett Till's persecution by saying:

"I am truly sorry to hear of your disappointment after seeing the Twitter post that you referred to in your email. We want to reassure you that Starbucks stands firmly against discrimination or racial profiling. Your concern is entirely understandable and this is obviously not the kind of experience we want you to have at our stores."

"We strive to create a culture in our stores where everyone is welcome, and where everyone belongs. We believe in treating each other with dignity and respect, and will thoroughly investigate this incident. I want you to know that we take your concerns seriously and that I will be sharing your feedback with the appropriate departments here in our corporate office."

Crazy how now they want to "investigate" when the shit hit the fan.

We should remind ourselves the homosexual pedophile protector R580 who has spent days and days posting their tired fangirl rubbish , posted this charming piece R569 in demented defense of their train station bullshit ... Safechuck was getting DP'd with raw loads at that train station while MJ was living across the country, and his mental illness is a pre-AIDs effect before the good meds came out......' You really are a snivelling, pathetic 'fan' ,you truly deserve the dismal, empty, friendless life you clearly have. Enjoy watching your homosexual pedophile's reputation turn to shit.

LMFAO is R581 is unhinged.

Although in all honesty R581 it's Incredible. Safechuck really thought he could get away with it. I can only imagine the shame his family, friends, and coworkers are feeling right now that he would lie about something so serious as sexual abuse.

"So @danreed1000 is now saying because the story has been debunked, suddenly the end of Safechuck’s abuse was when he was 16/17 rather than 14. It’s a three year discrepancy. Just hold your hands up, don’t change the story. This is what happens when you don’t investigate properly."