Lucky Seven: More of Those Magnificent Midwestern Towns

"Guiding Light" took place in Springfield, USA. The "Entering Springfield" sign was in New Jersey. Also showed the town's fire department

John Wesley Shipp had a body to die for.

What about Somerset? I loved watching that with my mom.

I met him in NYC in the mid 80s and had a great sex with him. He was really a good lay.

Please...tell us more.

LOL at Tom Casiello, former writer at ATWT, ripping dumb ass Serial Nutjob a new one. Casiello proved just how stupid Serial Psycho is. Casiello ended up blocking the psycho on twitter. He who calls himself a scholar proven to be so god damned dumb! Asshole. No wonder his family had him committed to the psych ward. Moron.

As an ATWT fan, I have to say I find these threads so disappointing. Why is it all AW, all the time? Where are the ATWT fans?

R7 I do notice that it tends to be AW first and GL second with ATWT more of an afterthought. I don't know why that is.

But the first spinoff of Another World was Somerset!! It was announced as the second half of Another World. Now stay tuned for the second half of our story, Another World - Somerset.

I t had the beautiful Joel Crothers and Audrey Landers.

Joel Crothers had the aids.

Yes but he was a hot little AIDSY

Joel and Dennis Parker used to fuck in the dressing room at Edge.

R12 that would have been hot.

Frankly, r8, I grew tired of The Drew Dixon Douche.

Full episode of Somerset with commercials! Lara Parker from Dark Shadows is in the first Prell shampoo commercial.

I post about ATWT all the time. In fact, we have our own DL catchphrase, like the Snyder Gossip Porch.

Maybe AW and GL get more conversation because they went from so good to sooooooo bad and even ATWT at its very worst (1996) isn't that bad.

r16 is undoubtedly referring to the Snyder Farm Kitchen Eavesdropping Porch.

R16 that is so true! I think they purposefully made AW and GL bad to drive people away.

Watch it R16 and R18, it’s been years since I’ve given a good kick in the cunt and I’m itching to do so.

"I don't give a TINKER'S DAMN about Rosemary! I'm worried about ANDREW!!! Our son is in the middle of a very difficult time in his life!"

OMG! Kim's wardrobe!

Margo's bangs!

Oh, and the midst of that interminable thing with Shannon and the Harrington brothers. If you can take Maggie Reed and Richard Burgi and somehow make them boring, something is wrong.

Andy Dixon really is one of the most wasted characters of the last years of ATWT. So much could have been done with him.

Not sure if I should be angry that he was ignored, or at least grateful that they didn't ruin him, make him a criminal, killer or serial rapist, or off the character in a cheap murder for short term ratings gain.

r22 they should have recast Andy IMO.

No, they should not have, r23.

Melanie Smith and Marie Masters were so perfect together. Never liked Michael Loudon (RIP). But boy did I love Christopher Durham. So fucking sexy.

God, I love this version of the GL theme with the synths!!!!

Why did Kelly come to breakfast at the Bauers with no clothes on? Does anybody think that was indecent seeing as Bert was there? In this scene where he comes in, Bert seems to be enjoying the view though!

Bert was a horny old bat.

Man these shows were great. Too bad they don’t put all the old soaps on a streaming service. I’d pay $10 to $15 a month to watch a bunch of old soaps.

Bert had to go off after that and sit on top of the washing machine during spin cycle, imagining it was Kelly ravishing her.

Margo's mullet was scary. Scott Bryce was *so* handsome.

I agree that the show should have never let Andy go. As the son of John and Kim, he was just too important a character. And as for a recast, bite your tongue. No way.

I would have considered an Andy recast, but a sensible one, and only if SDF hadn't wanted to come back.

(I actually wondered at one point if they were bringing on Matt Crane from AW.)

The point was, Andy could have been a character like Ed Bauer - with those complicated parents and stepparents and the struggles with self-esteem and alcoholism, the story wrote itself.

[quote]Andy could have been a character like Ed Bauer - with those complicated parents and stepparents and the struggles with self-esteem and alcoholism, the story wrote itself.

Exactly, r31. But only with SDF in the role. And I do like Matt Crane, but if he moved to Oakdale, I would have wanted him to be Matthew Cory.

John Wesley Shipp was too gorgeous for words on GL. I couldn’t get enough of him.

I also lusted after Matt Crane on AW.

I can't believe that both JWS and Lisa Brown are a year away from being.......

sixty five

For you JWS lovers there is a whole old thread out there all about him.

Serial asshole: Tom Casiello put you in your place. We are ALL still laughing about it in our twitter group. We're laughing and laughing and laughing at you Serial no life asshole.

Hiya Iris!

Michael Zaslow was fabulous in this scene telling Blake to get the fuck out of his life!

r36 Tom Casiello is a sad case. No wonder his husband ditched him.

Joel Crothers and Dennis Parker didn’t fuck in the Edge dressing rooms. Parker wasn’t ever attracted to Crothers. He had a thing for twinks and his long-time lover was Joey Phipps who played Kelly #1.

There was apparently a version of the raunchy nudity-laden off-Broadway hit "The Dirtiest Show in Town" with John Wesley Shipp on cable years ago. Anyone know where to find a copy?

R41 I have it somewhere!

Connie Ford loved eating pussy in her younger years. In her later years, she became a miserable old bulldyke.

When hideous plaid is the LEWK

The dishtowel makes an appearance!

Gah, I never noticed before how much Connie Ford read cue cards.

Connie could still steal every moment she was on screen reading cue cards when opposite untalented younger actors who actually memorized their lines.

Yes, clearly Connie read off the cue cards. In that episode from 40 years ago TODAY it is particularly noticable.

But in her defense, I will point out that AW expanded to 90 minutes on March 5, 1979. So, the episode linked was filmed just three weeks after the expansion. Everybody was adjusting to a different work routine trying to get 90 minutes of show filmed each day.

Likely, they did not have as much time, or patience, to reshoot scenes if an actor flubbed his/her line. So, there was increased pressure to get it right the first time.

I imagine all the actors were probably relying on cue cards more heavily in those first few weeks of the 90 minutes. Some of them were likely just more subtle about reading them than Connie was.

R47 I hadn't thought of that, Aunt Liz. Very good point.

Also in Connie's defense -- she was often accused of reading off cue cards long after they had been banned from the AW set. I think that look off to the side is primarily an acting tic for her.

I love her anyway, but I was really just saying it was more noticeable than I remembered. But R49 you are probably right, it may be more of a tic for her.

Unlike some here, I don't think one hour a day is too long for a soap. But 90 minutes? That is insane. I don't know what the hell they were thinking.

R51 the 90 minutes was really hard to watch. I do wish they were all a half hour again.

In hindsight, 90 minutes was a HUGE mistake. But I tend to view it as a noble experiment that failed.

Remember, in 1975, no one knew if people would tune in for 60 minutes of a show every day of the week. It was a major gamble when AW expanded to 60 minutes on January 5, 1975. Many were expecting the 60 minute experiment to fail. And the AW would have had egg on its face for taking such a risk if it failed. But that gamble paid off and 60 minutes gradually became the norm for soaps.

So, in 1979, expanding to 90 minutes was a similar gamble. No one knew if people would tune in for that long. No one knew if they could juggle the number of stories and number of characters needed to sustain a 90 minute show five days a week. But this time, the gamble failed. The 90 minutes only lasted 16 months.

But we learned that 90 minutes was indeed TOO MUCH.

I really enjoyed SFT and Capitol, but hated how quickly they were over and never felt they had the same sense of community that Marland's GL and ATWT had.

I loved SFT too! Remember when it moved to NBC?

SFT lasted 35 years -- that's "over quickly"?

I meant because they were 30 minutes long, r56.

I started watching it when it was on between ATWT and GL and followed it to NBC. My favorites, other than Jo and Stu were Travis and Liza and Hogan and Patty.

[quote]I meant because they were 30 minutes long,

Oh, that makes sense -- sorry!

I have Mary Stuart’s record albums. Both of them. I jerk off to them.

"Capitol" had a terrific cast and great potential, but those wild plot twists put the nail in its coffin. I loved all three Myrna Cleggs (Carolyn Jones, Marla Adams, Marj Dusay), Constance Towers, Julie Adams, Jess Walton, Tonja Walker and Catherine hickland, as well as Richard Egan, Ed Nelson, Nicholas Walker, Bill Beyets, etc. It went down hill with the Baraque story, and never was able to crawl back to traditional storytelling.

Myrna was a total rip-off of Iris from AW. Iris’ spin-off should have been set in DC, not Texas. She could have been a Manchurian Candidate-type monster grooming her son Dennis for a political future with her long-lost love Alex Wheeler a Senator rather than an oilman.

R59 I've been looking for the earlier one (photo you attached).

I have the later one, and I like it. Her voice is pleasant, not earth shattering but better than many, and it's a nice cleaning house on Sunday kind of record.

[quote] Myrna was a total rip-off of Iris from AW. Iris’ spin-off should have been set in DC, not Texas. She could have been a Manchurian Candidate-type monster grooming her son Dennis for a political future with her long-lost love Alex Wheeler a Senator rather than an oilman.

Texas was a sad attempt to capitalize on Dallas mania.

R62 I have that one too! Seriously. Why doesn’t P&G start a streaming service of their classic soaps? I’d pay to watch them again. Would you?

R64 Totally!

Mary Stuart was a miserable old cunt!

C'mon John Wesley!

FLASH and slap dat azz!

Questions...

1) How did you get into soaps. Your Mom? Grandma? Babysitter?

2) Which network was your soap house? ABC? NBC? CBS?

3) Did you ever leave your first soap? Meaning did you start watching one soap, but stopped watching it and starting watching a timeslot competitor?

Thanks for answering.

My mom got me into soaps. She watched the NBC shows. I stayed with NBC through all the shows primarily Days, The Doctors and Another World and later Santa Barbara. I switched to As the World Tirns when AW went off the air.

My mother's mother watched CBS and my dad's mother watched General Hospital. I hated Young and Restless as a child. The sets were so dark. General Hospital was dull.

I stopped watching shows for periods of time, but never switched to different show. I watched Guiding Light during that period when NBC wasn't airing a soap at 3:00.

[quote]1) How did you get into soaps. Your Mom? Grandma? Babysitter?

When I was a little boy, I would watch the CBS shows with my grandmother. Legend has it this is how I learned to read, from watching the commercials. When I was three, I was able to point to products on the shelf at the store and say their names. I never had to learn to read. I just knew.

[quote]2) Which network was your soap house? ABC? NBC? CBS?

As a child, CBS. Later (age 37), I started watching Another World on my own. When I was at home, I would often catch the last five or ten minutes of DOOL, but I didn't like it or Santa Barbara, so I never had NBC as my "soap house." At some point, I watched ATWT and GL, so I was something of a CBS watcher again. I hated the Bell soaps, though, so I wasn't comfortable in the entire "house."

[quote]3) Did you ever leave your first soap? Meaning did you start watching one soap, but stopped watching it and starting watching a timeslot competitor?

I switched from AW to ATWT sometime in 1990 or so. I bought a second VCR when Michael Malone came to OLTL, so I could catch Gay Billy. So I was really more of a 2:00 Soap Watcher than a fan of one particular network.

[quote]1) How did you get into soaps. Your Mom? Grandma? Babysitter?

I've posted this before, one of my earliest childhood memories was playing in our living room while my mother watched a tv show where a woman jumped out of a moving car to her death. Years later, I googled it and found out it was Ella Jo Jamison (Dorothy Lyman) in Edge of Night. I had just turned 5 years old.

But really it was my older sisters watching General Hospital in '79-'80, when I was 11. I have memories of the Lassa Fever, Rick and Monica affair, and of course Luke and Laura on the run. By the time Heather was back and sneaking out of Forest Hills to plan Diana's murder, I was hooked.

[quote]2) Which network was your soap house? ABC? NBC? CBS?

Initially ABC. But I started to read Soap Opera Digest religiously (my mother would buy it for me as a kid - MARY!). So through that, I literally got into storylines on almost every soap, and I'd sit in front of the tv and flip the channels - we didn't have a remote then - to watch the stories that interested me the most on all the networks. Ironically, it's been the most popular soap for decades, but Y&R interested me the least, unless there were scenes with Don Diamont or Michael Damian in speedos.

[quote]3) Did you ever leave your first soap? Meaning did you start watching one soap, but stopped watching it and starting watching a timeslot competitor?

Oh yeah. GH was my first, but I would switch over to GL or Santa Barbara when they had more interesting stuff going on. I never 100% left GH, but there were definitely times when I watched its competitors more.

My addiction to soaps -all soaps - lasted primarily from '81 -'84 or '85. By then I was in high school, had activities and a job, and in general started to get a life. But the definitely carried me through my junior high/early high school years. My family thought I was nuts.

Post '85, I'd spent some time watching GH, Days, ATWT for maybe 6 months or a year when friends were into them. But never was addicted like I was in the early 80s.

I started watching because my mother would take us out of the city in the summer and on rainy days when we couldn't go to the beach we had to watch her soaps: As the World Turns and Guiding Light. But I didn't really get into either of them until Marland's GL. I was obsessed with the Carrie MPD story. About the time the original Muskateers had all left GL and Bob and Kim were married on ATWT, I switched to ATWT. I only caught smatterings of GL after that.

I watched every day of ATWT from around 1987-on. I even watched all of 1996.

I watched Capitol and Search when I could. So I guess Search was the only NBC show I watched.

We were a CBS family and I loved it. Though I never felt a strong attachment to the characters on Y&R, there was something about it that was very comforting to me-- the music, the slow pace, the dark sets punctuated with the bright chiffon of Mrs. C.'s flowing caftans (MARY!). It was sort of like golf to me: something pleasant to have on in the background.

Never paid too much attention to ATWT and GL until adolescence changed everything. Dusty Donovan, Holden Snyder, and Phillip Spaulding-- need I say more? ATWT's great writing (Marland) and amazing cast (Hubbard, Bryggman, Hays, Hastings, Fulton, Widdoes) made me a fan for life. John and Lucinda, Lucinda/Craig/Sierra, Kim/Bob/Susan, Tom/Margo/Hal/Barbara, Tonio and Meg, Lily's maternity... I could go on and on, but to me, ATWT of the mid Eighties to early Nineties was soap PERFECTION.

[quote]ATWT of the mid Eighties to early Nineties was soap PERFECTION.

Why'd ya do it, Doug?

Mom watched AW and other shows. I was a sick kid that spent a lot of time with Rachel and Iris!

My sisters watched other shows, but it was hanging out at a friend's house that introduced me to "my" first show, because HIS mom watched Guiding Light. Nola and Kelly! Vanessa and her fur coat! And then the Four Musketeers!

It was GL that indirectly got me into ATWT, because I was flipping through the channels one day and saw a few familiar faces on ATWT.

[quote] ATWT's great writing (Marland) and amazing cast (Hubbard, Bryggman, Hays, Hastings, Fulton, Widdoes) made me a fan for life. John and Lucinda, Lucinda/Craig/Sierra, Kim/Bob/Susan, Tom/Margo/Hal/Barbara, Tonio and Meg, Lily's maternity... I could go on and on, but to me, ATWT of the mid Eighties to early Nineties was soap PERFECTION.

Amen, sister.

My favorite soap periods were all between roughly 1981 and the mid 90s.

Marland's GL. Pam Long's GL stints. Marland at ATWT The post-Reva GL (for the first two years, when Nancy Curlee was writing). And the Lemay reset at AW. I always caught bits and pieces of AW, and switched to watch it a lot when ATWT was in a few lulls in 88, 89-90.

I actually started watching soaps in the early 70s because of my father. He was a college professor and was home in the afternoons. There wasn't anything else on but soaps so he sampled them until he decided Days of Our Lives was the best. This was when Bill Bell was head writer. Addie/Doug/Julie, Bill/Laura/Mickey, Greg & Amanda, Maggie and her red shoes. It was really a good show.

My sister was a GL watcher, so I started watching it in the mid/late 70s. Probably around the time of the Dobsons. Alan Spaulding/Chris Bernau was probably my favorite character/actor combination ever. GL was so good under the Dobsons, Marland and Pam Long.

I started watching ATWT of and on during the early 80s because it was on between DOOL and GL. Once Marland started writing ATWT I watched it full time, and even began to tape it.

Stopped watching DOOL in the late 80s. It just got really crap. GL probably lasted until early 90s, then started watching again some when Claire Labine started writing and pretty much toughed it out until the end. Watched ATWT until Marland died then quit and didn't watch again until the last few months before it was cancelled. It was just so great under Marland I couldn't bear to watch the shit that came afterwards.

I remember watching NBC with my mother. She loved Days, AW - when Robin Strasser was Rachel and then we would watch Dark Shadows.

Later I moved to ABC and started watching AMC in the late 70s then added in GH. I would also watch whatever I could after school as well, which for a short time included GL and Love of Life.

I started watching GH again when Robin Mattson came back on but have since stopped since she’s no longer on there.

Now I watch Y&R and B&B. They are pretty standard soap opera which I like. I wish Days wasn’t so crazy because I would love to watch it but it’s just too over the top on many things.

I got hooked on ATWT when Steve and Betsy were the hot couple. I loved how Craig (Scott Bryce) tried to break up the supercouple. The other big story at the time was the whole James/Barbara storyline. The whole show changed when Doug Marland took over. He got rid of a lot of dead weight, even chucking super-popular Steve, and slowly introduced his own characters, most notably the Snyders. ATWT became must-see TV for me, up until that horrible year of 1996. After that awful year, I came back, up until the end.

I also watched AW when Janice Frame was on there. That was so good.

My mother would switch between CBS and NBC soaps, never ABC. I got hooked on Guiding Light, in the 3pm slot which I would catch part of after junior high and high school once my mother started working in the early 80s. I loved the Nola and Quinton storylines and the frequent display of John Wesley Shipp in speedos. In college in the mid- to late-80s, my friends watched the ABC soaps, which had skewed toward younger viewers. I got into All My Children and OLTL but never warmed to GH. (My earliest childhood soap memory is Linc floating on a raft in Vietnam on AMC soon after it launched in the early 70s since my older sister, unlike my mom, liked it. )

[quote]ATWT became must-see TV for me, up until that horrible year of 1996.

What happened in 1996?

[quote] What happened in 1996?

The horrible Black and Stern year, which just erased a bunch of history.

So much bad on ATWT in 1996. The worst for me was pissing away the secret of Adam's parentage.

ATWT became irrelevant after Marland died, It didn't regain until around 2000 and even that was short lived. Arguably, it should have cancelled 15 years before it was.

I have not seen Grey's Anatomy for a while (an early fan but just stopped after a while with the tragedy porn) but Michelle Forbes aka Sonni and Solita from GL was on last night.

Apparently she played a character inspired by Christine Blasey Ford.

People raved about her on Twitter, etc. last night but we GL fans already knew! I might have to watch this episode.

Actually, r84, there was one excellent post-Marland storyline, when Lisa sued John over Eduardo's death, and Andy had to testify against him.

Was Luna Walsh a Black-Stern creation? What about Diego and that woman who called Lily "Leelee"? Wasn't Sarah Kasnoff a Black-Stern creation? And Mark Kasnoff? That was my nadir. I hardly watched again until Luke came out.

I FF through Grey's Anatomy for the gays. That's all I can bear.

R86 The Connor Walsh recast was when Felicia Minei Behr became EP. I think that was one of the ways she tried to "update" the show, and she was the first of many who thought hiring former ABC soap stars would somehow bring ratings.

I think Sarah was a Stern/Black creation.

Were Stern and Black two writers, or was one EP? Who was their EP if they were both writers? And Mickey Against Daytime Drama was all the bad EPs' and writers' boss throughout, right?

Both writers, and I think John Valente (?) some no name was the EP. They got rid of Laurence Caso, who had been a network suit before taking over for Bob Calhoun as EP.

In 1995 they did some weird swap where Jill Farren Phelps went from GL to AW, and they switched writers and EPs the other P&G shows too. I think they called it Black Monday or something in the industry. LOL

So even if Marland hadn’t died, he and by proxy ATWT still would have been at the mercy of the corporate changes at P&G and CBS.

John Valente was the EP for 1996 and Stern and Black were the head writing team. They introduced Sarah and Mark Kasnoff, supermodel Zoe, brought back Paul played by a model, did the John revenge on Lisa plot, had Lisa transport bearer bonds or something for her last husband, had Casey kidnapped, had Adam shrug when he learned Hal was his father, brought in Diego to rape Emily, and on and on and on. Such crap.

When Phelps came on she thought the audience hated the actor, not the terrible storylines she had been given, and recast Conner Walsh with Luna. She also brought on Molly and Jack (at the expense of Kirk and Samantha...who just disappeared from an ominous picnic) and the revolving door of David Stenbecks.

[quote]When Phelps came on she thought the audience hated the actor, not the terrible storylines she had been given, and recast Conner Walsh with Luna.

Phelps never worked on WT.

I think R92 meant Felicia Behr.

Im sorry, you're right. I was think FMB (Felicia Minei Behr), not JFP.

I didn't mind Molly and Jack, nor the first go round of Jack and Carly. Carly was a shit stirrer in those early years.

But there was a point when Carly and Katie took over - with little to no interaction outside of their circles - that it all became very tired.

Remember Mark Collier from ATWT? Man he was hot. Is he still acting? He had quite a crotch.

someone just started a thread about him, R97

Collier is a out proud gay man.

One of my earliest ATWT memories is Craig faking his paralysis and almost getting caught by Betsy

Scott Bryce was so hot. Oddly the hottest I remember him being during that era is when he was fucking Lucinda.

I seem to remember Hunt Block in a speedo on one of the shows. I can’t find any pics. He was really hot.

Hunt Block was a pompous jackass.

Is Mark Collier really out?

R98 do you have a link?

Hunt Block was the only Craig that mattered. He was sexy, and alpha, and just fun to watch. Hunt's Craig had a big cock and a set of balls and he was a man. When they brought Scott Bryce back, it was a fucking disaster.

R106 = DDD?

I used to refer to Sarah Kasnoff as Pinhead Kasnoff because that girl had one of the tiniest heads I’d ever seen. The girl who played Zoe was pretty but in no way looked like a fashion model. They weren’t bad actresses but their material was unbearable. I’m pretty sure they were both so traumatized by their time on ATWT that they left acting.

"someone just started a thread about him, [R97]"

Link, please. (Why is the search function suddenly different? I don't like it and I don't think works properly)

Mark Collier thread.

R109, I googled "datalounge.com mark collier"

Scott Bryce was fantastic as Craig Montgomery. He took a character who was a complete villain (the Betsy years) to the romantic lead of the show (the Sierra years), and played everything in between. Hunt Block was a one-note ham who chewed the scenery everytime he appeared on screen. He WAS entertaining, he just wasn't an actor. Jon Lindstrom was probably the worst Craig of all. He committed the cardinal sin of making Craig boring.

R84, I don't think you can say ATWT was irrelevant after Marland. Remember when Hogan Sheffer took over, the show went on a run of Emmy wins , including Best Show, Best Actress (Martha Byrne, Maura West), Best Actor (Michael Park), etc. And he brought Colleen Zenk off the backburner and made her the center of the soap. (Unfortunately, he started running out of ideas after the first year-and-a-half).

1996 was the absolute worst. Characters like . Jones, Sarah Kasnoff, Zoe, that awful Paul Ryan recast....just horrible. And speaking of recasts, it doesn't get much worse than the Connor Walsh recast. Ooops! I spoke too soon...Roger Howarth was the single worst recast I have ever seen.

Thank you R110. Is Mark really a gay?

[quote]I don't think you can say ATWT was irrelevant after Marland. Remember when Hogan Sheffer took over, the show went on a run of Emmy wins , including Best Show, Best Actress (Martha Byrne, Maura West), Best Actor (Michael Park), etc. And he brought Colleen Zenk off the backburner and made her the center of the soap. (Unfortunately, he started running out of ideas after the first year-and-a-half).

HAted it.

[quote]And speaking of recasts, it doesn't get much worse than the Connor Walsh recast. Ooops! I spoke too soon...Roger Howarth was the single worst recast I have ever seen.

How could those horrible women have hired Luna to play Connor? That CBS or PGP's ultimate goal was to kill WT and GL could not have been more obvious from that point on. I liked Susan Batten fine as Luna, but Luna was not Connor and was never going to be Connor.

Roger Howarth was worse, perhaps, but most of the Pauls were just awful. And virtually indistinguishable from the Chrises. I hated Howarth from minute one on OLTL. He was evil incarnate, and he brought that motif with him to Oakdale. More proof of the havoc destruction MADD and FMB were paid to wreak.

To me, though, even worse than Luna and Podd was Carly Tenney. I hated her more than any character on any show I have ever watched. Just pure poison. I gave up on the show eventually, and didn't watch it again until Luke came out.

The unfortunate thing about Craig when Bryce came back in the 2000s was that by that time, Craig was a one dimensional mustache twirling asshole. Or they wanted him to be.

I don't know why they wouldn't let him be the multifaceted Craig he'd been. Jon Lindstrom actually achieved a bit of that and I don't know why they were forcing Bryce's Craig to be such a dick.

That's on Goutman. A lot of people want to give him a pass and blame the network or P&G, but a lot of the bad decisions in the last years of ATWT are entirely on Goutman. After Sheffer burned through the ideas he stole from his studio days, Goutman started dictating story TO HIM. Goutman was a very good director. He was not a good producer or head writer.

Goutman was also a vindictive piece of shit. Not bringing back Martha Byrne after Noelle Beck so graciously offered to step out and have Byrne play Lily was a typical piece ot shit move of his.

[quote] Goutman was a very good director. He was not a good producer or head writer.

Or *hic* hussssband.

Hic.

I take classes at Carnegie Mellon, where, outside the School of Drama, there are 24" red circles with white printing, one for each graduate who has won a Tony, an Oscar, an Emmy, or a Grammy, a small scale Walk of Fame kind of affair. There are two stars each for Goutman and JFP, and if I happen to walk on either of their circles, I make like I'm putting out a cigarette on it (I don't smoke, of course). If I were a spitter, I might spit on their circles.

I didn't know JFP went to Carnegie Mellon.

r120 Please stomp on her star for me.

I'll happily piss on Goutman's

Today is 10 years exactly since the GL cancellation was announced

When I'm not wishing that the AW mid 70s theme plays when I wake up in the morning......

I dream that this theme will play as I walk through my home - with shimmers of gold light illuminating my way.

I loved that theme, R124. It was mournful and hopeful at the same time. I know...

MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I loved that version (but not the bouncing synth heavy version with the light blue sky)

This episode from May 2, 1979 is one of Richard Bekins first as Jamie. It maybe the very first one! Listen for the on-screen announcement at very beginning. First appearance of Bekins in this video is at 13:00.

Also one of Harding Lemay's last scripts. His final script aired May 11, 1979.

Richard Bekins looks like he just stepped out of a William Higgins movie right there.

Bekins would have been 25 when he started the role in 1979. He was born in July 1954.

But he could certainly pass for 18 or 19 when he started.

Bekins sucked my cock.

Another World Home Page says Bekins first episode aired on April 25, 1979. So, the May 2 one above would likely have been his 3rd or 4th episode.

Wonder if Harding Lemay had any involvement with his casting. Was he already out the door by the time they were in the casting process?

But, Lemay would have approved of the casting since Bekins could convey emotional depths few young actors can.

In those GL end credits from Dec 1983 linked above, Charita Bauer and Don Stewart have top billing. Didn't realize that Don had gotten top billing. No wonder he was so pissed about being shoved aside when Gail Kobe took over.

Those end credits also include the character of Lola as played by none other than Megan McTavish. Had completely forgotten that Megan was an actress before becoming a writer. As I recall, Lola was a bartender at Company for about 6-12 months in 1983-84.

One of the things I find interesting is that current fans are always screaming about bloated casts, but that GL cast list had 40 characters total and 32 contract players. ATWT at one time had 40 contract players. I wonder what changed.

I also loved the scene at Ada's house. I wish they would have kept that set. That scene was funny as Ada was talking to her 18 year old grandson and her 4 year old daughter and then her 40 year old daughter enters the scene.

Bekins was a somewhat sudden recast after 20ish Jamie #1 (Tim Holcomb) was fired after six months ir so.

r112 remember Cady McClain calling Hunt Block a "brilliant iconoclast" in her Emmy speech. I laughed!!!

Cady is as nuts as Serial Psycho! Koo koo.

Also in those Guiding Light credits is Jossie DeGuzman who was Sara opposite Peter Gallagher in the 1992 Broadway revival of Guys and Dolls!

And today would have been 63 years for ATWT.

Edge of Night also premiered 63 years ago today.

Here's the final episode of Edge of Night from 35 years ago -- Dec. 28, 1984.

Out all the soaps, The Edge of Night and Dark Shadows are really the most "rebootable". Since Shadows has been done, I would love an Edge reboot. Two new episodes a week, like the old Peyton Place.

I loved the set for Ada's kitchen, too. A regular kitchen in a regular house. Something soaps do not have anymore. I preferred it when there were all different social/ economic levels of people on my shows.

63 years! Well, ain't that a kick in the cunt!

Fascinating video to see the old GL transitioning to the new. I had no memory of Evie Stapleton ever being in the opening with Tony Reardon's "hi-ya!"

Thanks for the May 1983 GL episode.

I adored Kathleen Cullen. Really wish the show had made more of an effort to keep her. Unfortunately, she was one of the first to go once Gail Kobe took over.

Wednesday, November 21, 1979 episode (the day before Thanksgiving):

Joey and Eileen get married.

Rose Perrini gets upset upon learning about the wedding.

Jamie and Cecile (Susan Keith) tell Rachel about their engagement.

Mac confronts his new wife Janice about her past (in a 12 minute long scene!)

Sally flirts with Mitch Blake.

Second appearance of Bradley Bliss as Kit Farrell.

I have yet to see an old AW clip with goddess Maeve Kinkead as Angie Perrini, before she shuffled over to Springfield to play another goddess, Vanessa Chamberlain.

r147 Watch the clip above. Maeve as Angie starts at 44:00.

Wow, Maeve AND Kathleen Widdoes! I'd forgotten she played Angie's mom.

thanks R148

"Am I the only Mrs. Perrini here?" -- great line and so true for the character.

I never saw this little Henry/Nola scene originally but it made me cry.

Oh, what Nola's return COULD have been.....instead of what it was.

Yeah, R152, they fucked up big time. They should have brought on Stacey as a mini-Nola to wreak havoc and at least once Nola should have murmered “Oh God, now I realize what I put mama through all that time.”

What a neat version of the theme song too, r152.

R152, I see that actress who played Lucy all the time on West End Avenue. She’s got two young kids and still looks great.

Henry Chamberlain was probably my favorite soap patriarch. No one was better at combining power and gentleness than William Roerick.

R153 Always wanted Stacey to come back. At the top of my list, along with Peter Reardon in later years.

They never cast either one and Nola's son was horribly cast both times.

Who are the couple in r152 who come on at 1:51?

Scott Hearst's Alan-Michael and Lucy Cooper.

Rick Hearst

Ooh...so young then, r160. And pretty.

r159 Rick Hearst's first soap role was Scotty Banning on Days in 1989-90. That's likely where you got the Scott from.

He started playing Alan-Michael in summer 1990, right after leaving Days.

Hearst wasn’t as pretty as the first Alan-Michael, though.

Carl Tye Evans was very pretty.

Rick Hearst was the better actor by far. And easy on the eyes too!

They were both pretty.

I had just started to watch GL when Carl Tye Lewis left, so I hardly remember him. Same with Martha Byrne on WT.

Right, Rick Hearst. My bad. My favorite Alan-Michael...though so very pale. Great hair!

But Carl Tye was so fuckable.

Carl Tye had a devilish glint in his eyes. Such a sexy kid. Hearst wasn’t sexy like that.

Hearst has the gay son.

Carl was a boy, Rick was a man

Carl's AM always looked like he stole Phillip's underwear and secretly jacked off sniffing his bro's pouch.

That works for me, R172.

R172, so what's your point?

My point is, I want to watch them go at it!

I always fantasized that Phillip and this underwear dude would wear the same underwear......thought they looked alike at the time.

Tom Hintnaus = Grant Aleksander???

They just sort of physically reminded me of each other - sort of tall and angular.

For some bizarre reason President Obama often reminded me of Grant Aleksander.

Grant’s peen touched the water when he sat down to shit.

Tall, handsome, big cock?

Old school Marland ATWT

Shipp sucked Marland’s toes.

So we have heard, r183. And heard. And heard. And heard.

I actually believe the story that Marland would stand in the kitchen masturbating while Shipp and other guys would lounge out by the pool.

Eavesdonging

There’s a reason Marland wrote so many swimming hole scenes/swimming pool scenes on ATWT and GL.

Can you imagine Marland masturbating?? Ugh! Its like imaging that idiot Serial Scholar masturbating. Gross!!!!!!!!!

Ugh, r188. Only thing worse is imagining Spicen jerking it.

R184 is brain dead in the extreme. Marland was the foot fetishist, which meant HE would be the toesucker, not the other way around.

R190, a foot fetish actually is an obsession with footwear as opposed to bare feet.

R191 Uh, no, that would be a shoe fetish! A foot fetishist loves feet. Sometimes also shoes and or socks, but generally speaking, feet.

Wow, Cynthia Watros - formerly GL's Annie - is taking over a role at General Hospital.

I might have to watch that fuckery.

Watros is taking over Michelle Stafford's role of Nina ... a pointless character, but Watros may be able to breathe some life into her.

Watros is an alcoholic. She’ll never last.

Ironic that Cady McClain was rumored for that recast and then Watros got it, since Cady took over a role for Watros on Y&R.

That's not irony, r196. Coincidence, maybe.

R197 It's like raaaain on your wedding day!

Darling! It's Ambrose!

20 years ago today, April 12, 1999, NBC cancelled Another World and renewed Sunset Beach for only 6 moths before it went off the air in December 1999. NBC made some stupid decisions through the years regarding their daytime lineup

AW deserved to be cancelled.

r201 Only because NBC and P&G turned it into something that deserved to be canceled.

Cynthia Watros did a fantastic job as a temp Vicky on Another World. Brought back memories of Anne Heche and she certainly had a twin rapport with Ellen Wheeler than Jensen Buchanan never achieved.

Watros is an alcoholic. Look at her now - she has alky face like Jensen. They both have a problem.

[quote]Out all the soaps, The Edge of Night and Dark Shadows are really the most "rebootable".

EON could do a story arc about a woman facing jail time for trying to use bribes to get her shallow, unmotivated, and not very bright daughter into college.

Should we all be concerned that SON's been down for over a day now. I mean, I always figured it'd be done for when the last show bites the dust, but there's A LOT of decent commentary/information there.

Would any network ever start a new soap? Tyler Perry managed to do it but no one else will try. Meanwhile, telenovelas are still going strong in Spanish-speaking countries.

May 1985 AW closing credits

From those credits, there are what? four characters who had been on for longer than 3-4 years?

R203

AW was never able to convince me that Vicky would ever be with Jake after he'd raped Marley.

Marley's rape & the fall out was so earth shattering there's no way in hell Vicky would've ever been with him again.

Not to mention Marley being copacetic about it. Hell no!

Even Marland couldn't make me accept Rod Landry as a romantic lead. And we didn't hear of his rape of Iva until Lily was almost an adult.

Why do they think they can make rapists into heroes?

Beat me to it, R211. R210, it seemed like *every* soap had to have at least *one* redeemed rapist. Hell, on ATWT, the whole Snyder clan celebrated Meg's marriage to Josh. Emma was there smiling and wiping tears from her eyes, and poor Iva was pressured into being a bridesmaid!!! As someone who unfortunately has some experience with sexual assault... just NO. And I say that as a raving Marland fan.

I heard that Connie Ford and Irene Daily were lovers.

I was never able to think of Jake's raping Marley as anything other than the idiot plotting du jour. There was some bad writing going on then.

R214

I couldn't disagree more. Jake raping Marley was the catalyst to one of my favorite storylines ever--Who Shot Jake.

Perfectly plotted & paced, brilliant acting and a true who-dun-it.

Yeah...I wasn't that fond of "Who Shot Jake?", either, r215.

It was Paulina who shot Jake, right? Was she being played by Cali Timmins or Judi Evans at the time?

"Who Shot Jake" gets a lot of love ... but I wasn't so thrilled with it either, R215.

I think Eplin and Buchanan had some chemistry, but I much preferred him with Judi Evans. I don't know why they squandered that pairing only to waste Evans in a deadly dull match with Joe Carlino.

Joe Carlino and his sister were two of the worst characters who weren't named either Dean or Jenna. Or Bobby Shane Robbereno.

Both Jensen and Cynthia W had dui’s in real life. Alcoholics.

I'm reading that Jake raped Marley and got shot in October, 1990. I was heavily into Oakdale that year.

ATWT was perfection in 1990 (except for WSCC?).

[quote]From those credits, there are what? four characters who had been on for longer than 3-4 years?

R209 If you last watched AW in 1980 and then tuned in again in 1985, the only characters you would have recognized would have been Mac, Rachel, Ada, Liz Matthews, Brian Bancroft, Clarice and Larry Ewing.

You would have also been familiar with the characters of Jamie Frame and Sally Frame, although they were played by different actors in 1985 (Stephen Yates and Mary Page Keller).

If you had waited til 1987 to tune in, the only characters from 1980 you would have recognized would have been Rachel, Mac and Ada, plus Jamie, although he was played by yet a different actor by that point (Larry Lau). Also, Liz Matthews returned to Bay City in late 1987 after a year and a half away.

If you watched GL in 1980 and didn't watch again until 1987, you would have known very few of those characters either -- Alan Spaulding, Ross Marler, Bea Reardon, Vanessa Chamberlain and Henry Chamberlain.

You would have also known the characters of Ed Bauer, Rick Bauer and Phillip Spaulding, although all were played by different actors in 1987.

Liz Matthews had a great snatch!

R217

Cali was playing Paulina when she shot Jake.

I agree about amaze and Vicky. There is no way they would have ever gotten together after the rape. He should have been left with Paulina. They had chemistry and drama built in to their pairing. I hated Paulina's storyline with Joe and hated that Jake and Vicky were written as the romance of the ages.

You're dead now, Pete.

1990 ATWT was pretty damn amazing. The Casey story was heart-breaking and the transformation of Andy into an adult was great.

Pity about Paul's mullet, though.

And SDF could hardly have been cuter than when Andy went to rehab.

"The Casey story was heart-breaking"

It also got pretty risque in one scene where Lyla disrobed and MOUNTED Casey, LOL.

Why did they kill Casey off? He was such a plus. Did Bill Shanks want out?

[quote] . The Casey story was heart-breaking

Bill Shanks who played Casey retired from acting and is now an L.A. P.I.

I wish he had stayed. I liked Casey.

He actually agreed to a limited return for the Guillain-Barré syndrome storyline, but when they had to change Margos, the show asked him to stay longer so he and Ellen Dolan could develop a relationship first...and he agreed to stay.

Gil Hobson ate out my pussy.

I went back to youtube on a completely unrelated matter today, and found the next episode in the ATWT sequence I started watching yesterday. It opens on Little Miss Seattle whipping up some eggs for her new husband, Caleb Snyder, in the person of sizzling Michael David Morrison. Now we know he killed himself, and it may have been related in some way to the fact that he was gay.

More than any other famous person, MDM looks like my first boyfriend, so it's particularly sad for me to watch him from the perspective of all these years and so much experience. I so wish he hadn't done that.

Start at 0:01.

Gay? Well, he was married to a woman (I know, I know...), and I thought the scandal was that he died while with ANOTHER woman.

Oh, really, r238? Then I don't feel so bad.

Tom Casiello tweeted a pic of RSW today & said doesn't this look like Tom Elpin back in the day? It really did.

Any way someone tweeted that they always wondered what happened to him because he just disappeared.

TC said TE retired & is living the good life in Southern California. He invested well & is happily living the good life.

I know people have wondered in these threads WEHT Elpin. Now we know.

I could never stand Eplin. I’m glad he disappeared.

Where, r240? I don't see RSW or Eplin.

R242

Click on his Tweets & Replies and scroll thru his TL.

r243 I'd have to join twitter to do that. Thanks, anyway.

I wasn't a fan of Eplin because I didn't watch AW while he was on, but I found him really nicely self-deprecating as he was forced to fulfill his contract at ATWT. He could have been bitter or a lazy actor, but he really threw himself into the job as the last surviving remnant of AW.

So are all of these shows.

Tom had good chemistry with Lesli Kay, and his death scene is heartbreaking. I was pissed off when Molly came back during ATWT's last year, and she never even mentioned Jake.

[quote] I found him really nicely self-deprecating as he was forced to fulfill his contract at ATWT.

R245 Tom Eplin wasn't forced to fullfill his contract at ATWT. Far from it. He insisted upon it.

When Tom renewed his contract with AW in late 1998, there were many rumors that AW was headed to the chopping block soon. So, Tom had his agent insert a clause that if AW were to be cancelled, he would then move to another P&G show to finish out the contract. P&G agreed to that clause and that's why Tom was playing Jake on ATWT for three years.

I was pissed off that Molly ever existed on ATWT. Talk about a harbinger of horribility.

That's not how I remember it. Tom insisted that that last contract be for three years and that he be paid for three years, whether AW was on the air or not. It was P&G who agreed to that only under the condition that the contract be with P&G, not the show. Tom didn't want the work, he wanted the money.

Kelly Ripa mentioning Chris Goutman several times on Kelly &Ryan this morning.

r237 I remember discovering masturbation at 12 years old and Michael David Morrison as Caleb Snyder was the subject of one of my first cumshots. It was a love scene with him and Julie and I wanted to be in her place. You never forget your first LOL

Michael Davidson Morrison was completely straight, to be clear. Yes, he was hot. Yes, us gays loved him but he was a drug addict who was straight and cheated on his wife with another woman. He ate pussy up until his final moments.

I wonder who told us he was gay. It was someone here on DL, a few years ago.

R254 Isn’t everyone gay on DL? lol Every poster on here knows that everyone is gay. Michael David Morrison fucked his wife and the woman he was with when he died just to hide that he was gay. lolololol Ridiculous.

I guess, r255. Still, I liked thinking someone who once meant something to me, however fictitious the situation may have been, was, in fact, a taster of dong. I don't give a rat's ass if Prissy Sissy Shawn or Richard Madden is gay, but I had really liked MDM's Caleb.

R251

Why did Ripa bring up Goutman & what did she say about him?

MDM was excellent as Caleb, he really had an edge to him. The replacement Caleb, Graham something, was kind of bland, but I found him visually more attractive, especially in his one bedroom scene on the show.

Ewww... Replacement Caleb looked like Charlie Brown. MDM was... something else.

How was I today's years old when I learned ATWT's Julie was married to Tonio in real life. They had a kid but are now divorced.

I may have known it back in the day but I have to recollection.

Nobody’s mentioned that the girl in the scenes with Andrew Kavovit (Paul) is Amy Ryan, who’s had a substantial film/TV career and was nominated for an Oscar for Gone Baby Gone.

In R237’s link, sorry

Irene Daily got fired from AW because she was a lezzy. Whitesell hated her.

Hate Aunt Liz?

I hated Jake's death, too. I dint hate Molly, but I wasn't a long term ATWT viewer. I thought Lesli and Tom had great chemistry. I liked Jake with Julia, too. Annie Parissi was great in that role.

Julia was sacrificed at the Altar of Carly.

Yes, the Carly/Jack/Julia triangle would have been so much more powerful had the writers allowed Julia to find her strength and move on from Jack. She deserved better after all she went through than to be portrayed as as an immoral crazy person. That's not who she was.

And I don't even say this as an anti-Carly person. Carly's dignity was sacrificed for Jack, too, and I didn't like that any better. Jack just wasn't... all that.

Jack and Carly were having sex while poor Julia was having a miscarriage of Jack's baby...and they made Julia the villain!

When folks on Twitter were tweeting about Watros coming to GH everyone was talking about the Annie story.

Tom Cassiello (who is a huge CW fan) said the writing staff at ATWT kept being told to use Annie's cracking as the blueprint for Julia.

Casiello’s a nutjob. He ruined every show he worked on. He’s an idiot. The kiss of death.

R270

I enjoy him on Twitter.

I am barely aware of this Casiello person. I don't think I heard of him before DL. I had long since given up watching WT, I guess, when he got there.

R272

He wrote for ATWT, GL, Days, OLTL, YR

My soap watching post-1995 is spotty. WT sucked so bad from then until Luke came out, after '95, I would only watch scenes with Luke, Noah, or Reid in them (no Andy Dixon, no me).

I gave up on GL after Maureen died.

I never watched DOOL.

I watched OLTL only sporadically. That may have been the most Casiello-ful show I watched, but their end credits were either too small or too fast to read. And I had given it up completely as of Easter/Elio weekend, 2000.

I watched Y&R from 2005 until a couple of months into MAB. I loved LML, Kevin, and Gloria. I don't know if Casiello was part of that or not.

Tom Casiello was always a breakdown/outline writer on soaps. People want to blame him for things, but he never, ever had a role in story. So I cackle like Solita Carrera on a bender when someone tries to pin something on him.

He had a blog that he wrote between soap gigs which was very informative about the genre and a lot of how the behind the scenes stuff works. I can't remember between what and what but I think he stopped doing it when he was hired at Y&R?

Anyway, people bitching about him? Need to aim way, way higher.

PS Four blog posts about the Marland bible for ATWT was in that Casiello blog. I know it's been posted on the various Midwestern threads a few times. It is such an amazing read for anyone who loved that era.

Casiello is a bitter old queen. He wanted a headwriter job but never got one on daytime soaps. He was/is a complete MESS! Ask his former husband . Now HE has stories to tell about miserable Tommy.

Casiello is a total asshole.

It's interesting that people say the Julia Lindsey character was inspired by Annie Dutton on GL, because Carly of WT is very similar to Reva Shayne... the bad girl turned heroine who is shoved down viewers' throats and ends up dominating the show with her great 'love' Jack/Josh.

I still thought Carly was an A grade cunt even through the Julia years when we were supposed to root for her. I don't know what Maura thinks but the Carly who was despised by the whole town was a far more potent character, even more so than the poorly written role she currently plays on GH.

Holy shit the 90s were amazing for insufferable bitch characters. The two Carlys on ATWT and GH, Blair on OLTL, Sami on Days, Phyllis on Y&R. I think that was the peak.

Oct 11, 1979 episode of AW. Full episode, including full end credits.

This episode features many scenes of Geraldine Court as June Laverty (first one starts at 17:10) and Charles Cioffe as Kirk Laverty (first one starts at 22:27).

Also heavily featured in Ray Liotta as Joey Perrini (starts 6:00), as well as Maeve Kinkaed as his sister Angie (best scene starts 40:30) and Kathleeen Widdoes as Rose Perrini.

Also nice scenes of Russ Matthews returning home (starts 26:00)

I was a friend of Geri’s-no, I’m not a former gal pal or Anna Banana. Geri HATED playing June Laverty. She was no fan of Charles Cioffi’s and even less of the guy who played her younger lover. She wasn’t too fond of him sticking his tongue down her throat in love scenes. She told me she was fascinated by McKinsey and the power she wielded on that set. She said McKinsey had little lights installed in dresser drawers and she’d take every opportunity to have Iris walk over to them and open them up because being lit from below was far more flattering than being lit from above.

Bev was a grade A cunt! The cast hated her.

With so many lezzies on AW, who’s snatch did Geri Court eat out? Connie Ford?

R277

Put up of shut up. You keep insinuating you know dish about Casiello & his husband.

The floor is yours.

Ignore R277.

Muriel should ban her like she just banned the other loon.

Is r277 Spicen?

It's one of those messes, R288, not sure which.

Could Spicen actually BE Tom Casiello?

Serial Nutjob is off his meds again.

Spicen, I am not Serial.

Queen Casiello blocked Serial Psycho on twitter last month. The psycho was harassing Tommie.

Can we not mention either S word poster here?

Or the DDD?

The air will be so much clearer. LOL

[quote] She said McKinsey had little lights installed in dresser drawers and she’d take every opportunity to have Iris walk over to them and open them up because being lit from below was far more flattering than being lit from above.

Hah, love that!

Deidre Hall apparently has a whole slew of tricks, too.

The lighting on the P&G shows and on OLTL was unforgivingly bright for a lot of the late 70s and early 80s. AW was so dark at times it was like watching people in shadows, but at other times it was bathed in very unflattering light.

"AW was so dark at times it was like watching people in shadows"

Well, none of them could compare to the darkness that was Y&R in the Eighties. The menus at the Colonnade Room must have been written in braille.

R280, that scene of Barbara lecturing Carly reminded me of when the tables were turned. Barbara was acquitted of the crimes she committed against Emily, Rose and Carly on a technicality. Barbara is left alone in the courtroom, and it's left to Carly to verbally destroy her. Maura convinced me of her talent in that one scene (which I haven't been able to find since), because she never went over the top, but still manage to put the knife into Barbara.

I wonder if Tommie Casiello actually wrote a breakdown or script that was submitted for Emmy consideration. The truth is that a daytime writer can win an Emmy when they had nothing to do with the episodes that won the show the Emmy. The shows submit 2 episodes but they have a rotating team of breakdown and script writers and chances are good that writers who had nothing to do with the 2 submitted episodes can win an Emmy. Did Queen Tommie actually have anything to do with the episodes that won emmys? Hmmmmmmm

No one has mentioned me lately.

I’m a viscious bitch.

Victoria Wyndham posted today on Instagram: “They had to put down my beautiful boy today. So sad and so sudden.” She was referring to one of her horses. Insert joke here.

Has Tom Casiello, writer extraordinaire, commented yet?

R302

No, but today he posted a beautiful heartfelt thread about KSJ. Really lovely.

Of course Queen Casiello made Kristoff’s death all about him. I wouldn’t expect anything different.

R303 it was a lovely thread, indeed

Tom Casiello mocked Victoria Rowell which is the reason Serial Scholar laid into him.

R306

He did not mock VR in his tribute thread to KSJ.

Can someone please provide the link to Tom's tribute to Kristoff so the rest of us can know what people are talking about.

He never mocked Rowell. Some queen had a flouncing fit and said Casiello's writing disrespected Rowell, as if TC was the head writer. Whoever that person is? is a fucking mess from hell.

TC's thread on KSJ is easily found.

I've posted it in the Y&R thread....which is where it belongs

Serial Nutcase has mental issues. Everyone knows it. He baits people into arguments because he has no life outside twitter. No real life friends and his family disowned him so he gets off on baiting. He’s a sick psycho. Casiello handled him perfectly.

Thanks f310. And the Y&R thread is where the discussion belongs. Not here.

Indeed. The less we see or hear of these toxic Twitter messes, the better.

India! Floyd!

Miss Sally's big ole fuckin' HAT!

LOL at the comments that Mike Bauer looked "good in those pants"

Can you people weigh in on one of the greatest mysteries of life?...............

What in the hell happened to Anne Heche's voice? She had a lovely voice on AW do since leaving her voice is 100% changed. I don't even know how to accurately describe it except it's so unattractive. I saw her on TV last week & it's like a clipped squawk.

Shut up Serial Psycho dumbass.

Ron Raines is in "Lady in the Dark" at City Center starring Victoria Clark. Seeing it tomorrow. Just saw Grant Aleksander in "Perfect Crime". Kim Zimmer needs to be Ouiser in Steel Magnolias with Kathleen Turner as Clairee. in the past year off Broadway, I've also seen Denise Pence and Ellen Parker from Guiding Light, not to mention Robert LuPone from many soaps and of course Guiding Light as Rogers attorney.

I still can't believe Ron was in Follies

AND got a Tony nom

I saw Harve Presnell in "The Unsinkable Molly Brown" with Debbie, but Ron took over at some point. Later, Debbie came to see him in "Follies".

I know she's retired, but I'd love to see Marj Dusay in a short-term role on a soap or maybe on stage in "The Waverly Gallery" or something similar. Maybe Dina Abbott has a sister we do not know about! Last word on Marj was that she had back surgery (2 years ago).

Anyway, here's the picture of Ron and Debbie backstage at Follies with Bernadette.

Sorry for the redirect on the picture above. When I went to see "Perfect Crime", the two women in front of me obviously knew who Grant Alexander was. He was wearing a very loose suit so you could not see anything dangling. Pity.

I wish I could have seen that show with either Grant or Robert Newman.

Ron Raines is really good in Lady in the Dark. I'm watching old episodes of The Doctors, Elizabeth Hubbard is so gorgeous. Gerald Gordon tells someone that already invented radium. Anna Stuart is just wonderful in Her first episodes. In watching Elizabeth, I don't see Lucinda in this part at all. She is brilliant. When Anna played Donna on As the World Turns, she said working with Elizabeth again with like coming home.

Sorry, I meant to say that Gerald Gordon said that the girl who that she had invested radium Greer Garson had already done that. I'm watching later Elizabeth Hubbard on The Doctors, and she looks like Julie Adams. She has darker hair later on.

*gasp!* My queen....

Liz was truly great in those early Doctors episodes. She has her little Liz-isms but not out of control. Althea is a really strong character.

And yes, Liz is gorgeous as Althea!

Althea and Maggie are a hoot together in a lot of scenes.

r327 Why, that's young "Ol' Lucy."

Stay the fuck out of here, Dumbass

I hope Solita didn’t get run over by a government vehicle today in Caracas.

bump

In honor of the bump, Jennifer Ashe's first day as Meg, Holden smoldering, and Kim getting news.

May 1 will mark the 30 year anniversary of Douglass Watson's death!

Hard to imagine its been that long. Mac death was shattering to me. And it hurt the show so much.

And May 2 will mark the 11th anniversary of Beverlee McKinsey's death.

By the mid-90s, Rachel was such a shell and lost most of her best scene partners. First Mac, then Ada, then Iris. I'm glad VW got along with CK so well, but I don't know if Rachel-Carl should have happened. How do we feel she did opposite that various Matthews and Amandas?

R335 Both are hard to believe.

I miss Bev.

Speaking on anniversaries, May 4 will mark the 55th anniversary of Another World's debut in 1964.

Bev and that voice. Yuk!!!

I remember distinctly learning of Watson's death. Back then the newspapers would do soap recaps every week and if there was any important soap news they would publish it in the daily paper.

I was home from college sitting at my mom's breakfast table skimming the paper. There was a big picture of Doug and an article saying he'd died from a heart attack while on vacation.

I was stunned. I actually wept because Mac Cory was the ideal father & I most certainly did not have an ideal father. I had a father that rejected me & Mac loved his kids through thick & thin.

To this day I maintain the best male criers in the history of soaps are Douglas Watson and Tony Geary.

[quote] I hope Solita didn’t get run over by a government vehicle today in Caracas.

Bitch is probably leading the coup!

R340 MARY!

MARY!

MARY!

We don’t miss you Bev. Goodbye!

We wouldn't miss you, Spicen. Goodbye! (If only.)

Let's stay on topic, you hussies, or I'll kick you with my good leg!

Ha ha ha. Former AW and ATWT writer Tom Casiello blocked that asshole serial nutcase on twitter. Ha ha ha asshole.

Looks like Grant's pendulous dong - and Robert Newman, too - are back on stage this summer in that same play.......

R347

I'd still fuck them both any day of the week.

I'd drain both those dangling dongs!

For my fellow Danny Markel fans!

More Markel, starting at 13:22, and running throughout.

I knew Jon Hensley was on OLTL but was surprised to see him pop up in this clip.

R347 Grant Alexander was on the day I saw Perfect Crime in January as understudy.

Was that before Hensley was on ATWT, R352?

R354 Yes, I think he was on OLTL earlier in 1985, which is when he was cast as Holden. He probably did that scene late 84/early 85. Which would track with RS's time on the show, since she was on and off in 84-85 before starting My Sister Sam.

We've been doing some chatting here and there about The Doctors (Madison is certainly one of those Magnificent Midwestern Towns) but by request a thread of its own has been created.

This week 11 years ago was when Noelle Beck became nuLily.

Letting Martha Byrne go was truly the dumbest thing Goutie ever did.

Wasn't it over guarantees or something like that?

R358 Yes, she had taken like a 60 percent pay cut, she just wanted to make sure she got a basic guarantee, I think it was a show and a half or two shows a week and he wanted her to be recurring.

R359

That never made sense to me because Lily was never used in a recurring fashion when Beck took over. She was still getting really good airtime.

Did Goutman not like Martha?

R360 Supposedly Martha was his muse - they certainly got on well when Hogan Sheffer wrote the show.

Not sure if there was a falling out, or if Goutie was forced to hold the line by P&G or the network.

Has Marcia McCabe written a book about Goutie yet?

Didn't Marcia finally leave him? I wonder if she's finally sober? It always surprised me that she was able to maintain her looks through alcoholism. That is a rarity.

Yes, McCabe and Goutman are divorced.

They were in Digest somewhat recently

Goutman screwed that show so bad. If you're ending a 54-year show, give the people what they wanted: Real-Lily and Holden, Katie with Simon (NOT Chris Hughes!), lots of return visits by fan favorites, clips of pivotal moments, etc. Instead we got Janet, Liberty, Gabriel, fake-Paul, fake-Craig, fake-Dusty, fake-Lily,one (out of 7) original Snyders, etc. I hate Goutman so much.

Mark Pinters first wife was on Hoda & Jenna today with Siri. Wonder what Siri thinks of her former step mom Colleen, who cheated with Mark?

R367

Why was his first with on Hoda?

R366, and NO EMMA in the end??? I know some people didn't like the Snyders, but my God... Kathleen Widdoes was one of the best actresses they ever had, and Emma and her farm had such a sentimental hold on many viewers. They could have written such beautiful, touching scenes at the Snyder farm if they had just made the effort.

"Letting Martha Byrne go was truly the dumbest thing Goutie ever did."

Yes, but letting Scott Bryce go was way up there, too. So many mistakes... Can you imagine if they had brought back Jennifer Ashe as Meg and put her in a tortured love story with Craig, rather than going with the boring and depressing Paul/Meg pairing? I just have no idea what they were thinking.

[quote] Why was his first with on Hoda?

Siri Pinter had some sort of connection to Today because she dated, and then married, Carson Daly, who is occasionally on it.

[quote] NO EMMA in the end???

I think Kathleen W was having severe health problems and couldn't do the shows.

Siri Pinter Daly has regular cooking segments on The Today hours and in honor of Mother’s Day, she had her mom on with her.

meow meow meow

Two veteran "As the World Turns" actors who left of their own accord and should have at least come back for a cameo at the end were Patricia Bruder (Ellen Stewart) and Ann Sward (Lyla Montgomery). Bruder, not much younger than Kathryn Hays, had been on since 1960, and only returned for a few episodes in 1998 after leaving in 1995. I believe that Sward came back a couple of times.

I saw an interview with Patricia Bruder where she talk about leaving New York and going onto a different line of work. She had basically been relegated to being assumed to be near Nancy's age when she really was Penny and Lisa's age. I always like Ellen more than Kim and thought Patricia was prettier too even with the middle-aged clothes and hairstyle they gave her when she was only in her 30's and 40's. They did you send her a bit, but by that time she really had little to do other than be supporting in Betsy and Emily's storylines. what really was ridiculous was John calling back and John Reilly playing her son when they were not much younger, probably less than a decade!

Kathryn Hays is actually 3 years older than Patricia Bruder. I guess Patricia just went with the flow for the steady job and didn't complain especially since Ellen became matriarchal during Irna Phillips' last years as head writer while she built up Kim.

You can watch episodes on Youtube from right after Dan's death where Kim keeps calling Ellen "Mom." It sounds so wrong.

Only 7 months difference in Pat Bruder and John Reilly in age.

Patricia Bruder was born in April 1936.

John Reilly was born in November 1936.

As for the others in that age range:

Kathryn Hays was born in July 1933.

Eileen Fulton was born in September 1933.

Don Hastings was born in April 1934.

Helen Wagner was born in September 1918.

I always thought Pat was way older than she actually was.

Kathy Hays, Eileen and Liz Hubbard all turned 85 last year!

Pat and Helen Wagner were the last of the old style actors at ATWT, the acting cousins to Virginia Dwyer at AW - the old Merman, play to the audience kind of acting.

Helen was able to transition and knew how to do different approaches, but Pat was always so similar and blah, no matter the scene. And that fucking HAIR.

"You can watch episodes on Youtube from right after Dan's death where Kim keeps calling Ellen 'Mom.' It sounds so wrong."

Yep, poor Ellen was well on her way to planning AIDS galas with Nancy and babysitting Dani.

ATWT had a few cases of that age weirdness.

Anne Sward (Lyla) played much older, too, when on the show. She's now 68.

Hillary BS (Margo) and her predecessor Margaret Colin, as well as Scott Bryce (Craig #1), are all 60-61 years old.

So 7-8 years difference.

And Tom's age was crazy through the whole show. First they SORAS-ed him to send him to Viet Nam, then SORAS-ed him a little more for Lien, then tried to keep him middle aged for, like, 30 years.

I was just about to mention that. Tom was born in May 1961, jumped to about age 10 about four years later, sped up to 16 the next year ... I feel like Tom, Jamie Frame and Ed Bauer all had that problem.

Amanda on AW went from seven one year to eighteen the next. I hated that.

Do soap operas ever age characters down?

Asking for a friend.

Teddy "Ryder" Hughes aged down when brought back in 1996. And of course Brad Snyder went from being Jack's older brother to being his younger brother.

Not a P&G show, but Dr. Mike Horton (DOOL) lost a decade in 1985 and 1994.

Amanda Spaulding lost a decade too.

The SORAS Of Dan Stewart was one of the most egregious examples of that device. He was born in 1958 and was recast in 1966 as a 30 year old doctor.

Dan Stewart should have been Tom Hughes’ contemporary, and Paul Stewart should have been the one involved with Kim and Susan ( and the father of Betsy and Emily) in the 70s. That would have kept the Stewart family viable into the 80s and beyond.

I always get confused by the Stewarts. Dan was Ellen's illegitimate kid, adopted by David and his wife. Paul was Dan's half-brother, David's biological son. And David fathered Annie and Dee? Paul fathered Betsy and Emily? The order goes Annie, Dee, Betsy and Emily? They're aunts with nieces close to their own ages?

Pretty much. David and Betty had Paul and adopted Dan from Ellen Lowell and Tim Cole. Then David and Ellen had Carol Ann (Annie) and Dawn (Dee) in the late 60s. Dan had Betsy (1970) with Elizabeth and Emily (1972) with Susan. Paul had Stewart Cushing. Annie had four kids in the early 80s named Gregory, Lowell, Nancy, and Maria. Dee had no kids. Betsy had Danielle. Emily had Danny.

Character who were de-SORASed include:

On Days, Mike Horton, Bill Horton and Laura Horton in the late 80s, early 90s, when the show recast the roles with younger actors, a deliberate choice by the show to make them younger.

On GL, Amanda Spaulding in the mid 90s and Alan-Michael Spaudling in the mid 2000s when the show cast younger actors in the part.

The Alan-Michael recasting was particularly strange on GL.

In the early 90s, when played by Rick Hearst, the character romanced Eleni Cooper. However in 2005 when they deSORASED him with the casting of Michael Dempsey, A-M was a contemporary of Eleni's daughter Marina.

There was also a short-lived romance between A-M and Marina, which was particularly bizarre given that in the early 90s, Eleni initially wasn't sure if A-M or Frank Cooper was the father of baby Marina.

This is how Wikipedia sums up Alan Michael's SORASing and subsequent deSORASing:

[quote]Alan-Michael Spaulding is a fictional character on the CBS soap opera Guiding Light. The character is the son of wealthy businessman, Alan Spaulding, and his former wife, Hope Bauer. Alan-Michael was born on-screen on September 23, 1981, but this was subsequently revised to 1970 when he turned 17 years old and then later to 1965 or 1966 during his brief dalliance with Marina Cooper in 2006.

Wasn't Nicole Travis de-sorased on Edge Of Night?

[quote]Wasn't Nicole Travis de-sorased on Edge Of Night?

Ah, that's a good one. Thanks for thinking of Nicole.

Maeve McGuire played the role until late 1977. Maeve was born in 1937.

Jayne Bentzen took over in early 1978. Jayne was born in 1955.

Barbara Berjer was youthened when she was fired from As the World Turns, killed off as Claire (Ellen's mother) and cast as Barbara on Guiding Light. Augusta Dabney had been playing Barbara but went to star on "A World Apart" (replacing Elizabeth Lawrence) and it was revealed that Barbara was a decade younger than Claire. Early pictures of Barbara as Barbara indicate that she was quite a looker. Of course, she spent a decade on the show, returning while she was also on Procter & Gamble's Another World, totally stealing my heart as the Scottish Nanny Bridget, Jake and Victoria's surrogate mother. So Barbara Berger can say that she was Ellen's mother, Holly's mother and Jake and Victoria's mother, children of completely different generations.

Barbara was born old

So was Patsy Bruder.

Barbara Norris had a weird scottish accent.

Why did Bridget on AW have a Scottish accent? That always bugged me. Bridget is an Irish name, not a Scottish one.

Tom Eplin's cock doesn't get the love on here that other pendulous dongs do.

But I bet it was pretty.

[quote] Tom Eplin's cock doesn't get the love on here that other pendulous dongs do.

Nor Stephen Schnetzer's, and I bet his was and is magnificent.

I’d love me some Schnetzer Schnitzel.

P&G fans who watched both shows, could Cass Winthrop and Ross Marler be comparable characters?

Cass was more of a stud. Ross never had a reputation for being a lothario.

And that's what I figured. I just figured both worked their way up from shady to respectable.

[quote] Ross never had a reputation for being a lothario.

Oh, I don't know about that. He did at first, but definitely was domesticated way earlier than Cass.

Well, Cass was a stud in ways that Ross wasn’t. Cass was something of a gigolo and Ross definitely wasn’t anything like that.

I would take all of Cass in me quite deeply.

But Ross (at least early Ross) could get it, too.

Cass was a rare combination & he was nothing like Ross.

I liked Ross a lot but I fucking loved Cass. Cass/Felicia/Wally were just gold. Cass was also that delicious combo of smart, sexy & funny.

Jake was a great match for Molly, when the character crossed over from AW to ATWT. The only problem was Tom Eplin's weight gain, so very few bedroom scenes. He had a great death scene, though. Lesli Kay put everything into that scene.

I liked Jake and Molly. Hogan Scheffer can kiss my ass for killing him off.

Lesli Kay Emmy Reel when she won the Emmy

I really liked Molly. A shame they fucked that character up so badly.

I also liked Carly early on. Shame she was so overexposed.

[quote] Cass was a rare combination & he was nothing like Ross. I liked Ross a lot but I fucking loved Cass. Cass/Felicia/Wally were just gold. Cass was also that delicious combo of smart, sexy & funny.

This is a classic and great scenes where Cass meets up with Kathleen (4 years after she faked her death). I think if he was nominated for an Emmy that year, he could have won. These scenes are just so good.

I look fabulous for being in jail!

GL has been mentioned several times in the 1980 GH thread that popped up, and someone is itching to talk about the SLUT of SPRINGFIELD!

Link, please r418

Not a P&G show but a rare time I've seen George Reinholt and Jackie Courtney on a OLTL clip.

GL was the most impressive show when it was good, it was great. I don't think any other show matched its quality when it was at its peak which happened intermittently through the years.

The character of Beth had one of the most interesting Arcs of any character in daytime history- the historic rape storyline/four musketeers/ 2 huge supercouples/back from the dead/comeback as a villian (ill-conceived but added to the color of the character), and how the character held on to the end of the show. Epic.

The Slut of Springfield is legendary. That scene truly stunned many viewers who scoff at soap opera acting. GL has always been known for its superior acting but Kim Zimmer's SOS scene really did send jaws dropping.

We've poked fun at some of the later years excesses of Kim and Reva here....but this WAS pretty damn flawless.

r423 DAMN. Really is a stunning scene. It is no wonder this scene was instantly legendary. This really was one of those moments where soaps looked like they were more than amateur hour. Rumor is the entire entertainment industry took notice.

Kim was amazing in the SOS scene but the entire story leading up to it & the fall out was just must see TV.

Two people wildly & passionately in love yet she wound up married to his father. He's embittered by losing her & crippled by an accident . His father moves him in to the house to help take care of him. The anger & pent up sexual heat inside that house was off the chain.

It was all very Tennessee Williams.

Reva's childhood poverty was woven into that story.

R426

Who was the HW at the time? Pam Long?

Pam Long was the headwriter when the Slut of Springfield speech was written. She left at the end of 1985 and then returned to the show in 1987, staying until the end of 1990

R416

Schnetzer (sp?) was really good in that clip. I loved him with Kathleen & Frankie. I remember being so torn because I wanted him with both.

I can't remember why Kathleen stayed away. IIRC she did it to protect him . Can someone refresh my memory on her death, where she was those 4 years & why she stayed away?

R429 she was in the witness protection program, but felt it wasn't fair to Cass to drag him into the program. So she faked her own death to free Cass so he could have his own life.

Why was she in the Witness Protection program?

it was a story she was writing about crimes of Carl Hutchins, and she later found out there was a hit on her.

Holy FUCK that Kim Zimmer slut of Springfield scene is great. I didn't know they used the term slut back then and especially not in daytime programming.

I wish that clip of the Slut of Springfield scene was longer. The fight that lead to it & then the follow up.

The performances in the SOS scene along with the dialogue is mesmerizing. The actor looks like he is a bit stunned at the performance he is watching. My mom talked about how she had a lot of friends over and watching the Daytime Emmys when they did a tribute to GL and showed this clip. None of her friends watched CBS soaps, and all were chatting during the GL tribute, but she said once that clip played it was all dead silence followed by a few mouths open. She said they all commented with a lot of "wows" and "oh my God". She converted a few over to GL.

That SOS scene got me to thinking. If you had to show one scene from each soap to a non-soap watcher which would you show? I'm still mulling that over for ATWT, and have narrowed it down to five scenes.

r436:

Great choice R436 . Another would be the scene where Bob Hughes tells Kim he had an affair with Susan Stewart. Kathryn Hays just nailed that scene.

Did they ever say who Iva's parents were?

R439, I think Jarrod Carpenter. Not sure about the mother.

[quote] That SOS scene got me to thinking. If you had to show one scene from each soap to a non-soap watcher which would you show? I'm still mulling that over for ATWT, and have narrowed it down to five scenes.

I don't know if you were also a GL watcher but your mention of this, and R435's post, reminded me that in 1987, GL had a week where they celebrated their anniversary and played a clip of the most remembered scenes in GL's history for a few minutes at the end of each show.

The Reva in the fountain scene was one. Nola and Kelly's confrontation was another. (Lisa Brown was part of that scene and the Lily reveal too.) Roger falling off the cliff was one, Bert Bauer was one, and the fifth had something to do with Rick and Phillip, if I remember c correctly.

It would be a nice way to highlight a show to someone who wasn't familiar.

Anyway, if I had to pick out those kinds of scenes for ATWT I'd have to narrow it down from this list:

Lily's parental reveal

Douglas Cummings revelation (that he was Kim's stalker)

Sabrina comes face to face with Frannie and her family

Margo pulls the plug on Casey

"Hello, Barbara"

Margo's rape

Lucinda and John elope

Hank Eliot comes out

One actress who WAS NOT a fan of Pam Long was Maeve Kinkead - Both times Pam Long wrote the show, the character of Vanessa was shoved into the background and had absolutely nothing to do.

R443 True. And I loved Pam's work for the most part. But Pam really, really did NOT get Vanessa. AT. ALL.

I think when she created Alexandra, a lot of the story ideas for that type of character went to Alex. Maeve must have had a defender at CBS or the network, because she stayed on for a long time. It was only after Nancy Curlee became HW and they gave Vanessa the sexual harassment story that things changed.

But sadly I don't think anyone ever really did Vanessa as well as Douglas Marland. She was far more like Donna Love and just had that fabulous wit, and that really all but disappeared once Douglas did. She was rarely able to show that petty, tempetuous side again.

One thing I should note is that while Kim rocked the SOS scene, she's well supported by Robert Newman. They really did have excellent chemistry.

I've always heard when GL got it, it was at such a high quality. The SOS scene is special, a real tour de force in all aspects. The Beth/ Step-father story which led into the Four Muskateers was something so well done many daytime haters would change their minds watching this.

I can see why Kim Z got her reputation as a great actress with the SOS scene. The acting was so good it could have won a Nighttime Emmy or Oscar. No joke.

Another World must see scenes:

Rachel tells Alice she is pregnant with Steve Frame's child.

Mary Matthews surprise death on Good Friday 1975.

Iris learns she is "adopted" when Amanda is born.

Janice Frame attacks Rachel as she is trying to save Mac.

Mac learns that the father of Rachel's baby is Mitch Blake on the witness stand.

Mac learns Iris was the chief in charge of the Cory Publishing takeover.

About any scene the week of Mac's death played out- especially Rachel telling Iris that "Daddy" died- Carmen Duncan was excellent in these scenes but think of what they could have been like with Beverlee McKinsey in the scenes, Rachel's good bye at Mac's grave, and Rachel's conversation with Ada after the funeral.

Vicky/Marley scenes during the Who Shot Jake story- Anne Heche was so good you thought you were watching two different actresses playing Vicky and Marley.

Felicia's intervention with her family and friends.

Carl and Vicky's good bye to Ryan when he died in the hospital.

And: Iris yelling "Daddy!"

Rachel: "We had the kind of love you'll never know!"

AW - nothing with that gawd awful Bev and her annoying voice and delivery. Just no.

R442 The Douglas Cummings storyline was the one time I was truly into As the World Turns and watched every day. Guilia Pagano was intensely brilliant as Marsha Talbot, his assistant who ended up being his killer. she had such a wonderful theatrical voice that watching her was like seeing a Broadway play every time she was on. Caroline Lagerfeldt was also very good as Marsha's cousin, a witness in the trial where the ga was played by Norman Parker who strangled her character on The Edge of Night just several years before. Later n, she played Sarah and Megan's mother on One Life to Live (although she adopted Megan).

I remember also seeing Giulia Pagano on One Life to Live as a bag lady in the Ursula Blackwell storyline involving Tina. her character had a young daughter and helps hide Gina from people who were looking for her. She also played a psychiatrist on all my children and I also remember her as a nurse on an episode of Ryan's Hope.

Some fantastic Rachel flashbacks in this episode.

Ole Johnny D is in a new Broadway play.

That SOS scene from GL is all kinds of great

Can't Muriel block R449?

This bitch posts every seven seconds and ruins every thread she's in. STFU already.

The new Digest has a lovely, lovely photo of Kelly Nelson in his Speedo.......

Val Dufour (RIP) told me that when they did a scene of him driving in thundering rains on a mountain, it was shot in a car wash on Houston Street. Later demolished for an office building,

Val Dufor gave great blowjobs.

Marlon Brando would agree.

Val Dufour is STILL looking for Lenore's fucking scarf......

To give credit where credit is due, Pete Rich was the script writer on the SOS scenes.

Ah, thanks R460!

Found this article. He had a thing about Southern Gothic and wrote a book with that narrative voice so I can see him totally writing the SOS script.

He's apparently got a younger husband (!) and, well, y'all can "tasteful friends" this if you want.....

[quote] He's apparently got a younger husband (!) and, well, y'all can "tasteful friends" this if you want.....

His LOVER lip-synching "Blurred Lines"

I wonder if Pete is known as The Letch of Litchfield.

Pam Long is missed.

Hes got a cute little trophy wife, R462

R461

Thanks for bringing that over. It's good to put a face to the person who write so many phenomenal scenes.

I love the property his home sits on but I'm not a fan of the decor or house.

GL did have some good writers over the years.

GL seemed to have the best actors by far. GL also seemed to have been the best written show, along with Another World for a time, going by what others have told me. I know a lot of viewers who liked one show over another but they always mocked the acting or most of the writing but not with GL. The stuff I've seen on youtube is often pretty remarkable. Is it true a lot of GL's footage was erased up until the late 70's?

From what I have seen, Kim Zimmer could be a bit much but when she was on, she was ON. I've never seen a better crier.

R468 With few exceptions, most of the P&G shows erased all their stuff before the 1978-1980 range. They've saved a lot since then.

On YouTube, the three main shows - AW, ATWT and GL - have limited clips prior to the 80s. ATWT has a solid run of late 70s/early 80s, GL is sort of intermittent until around 80, and AW has a run of eps as early as 1978, but only a few here and there before that.

There needs to be a channel to play all the soaps different time slots could have different decades. I don't know how it would work but I really would like to watch GL based on what I have heard. I did watch it from 97 ish on and off to the end. I enjoyed some of it but, as others have shared, the quality was nothing like it was back in the day. The acting was still top notch, though.

One day several decades ago I was flipping channels and I saw Frank Dicopolous on GL in a sleeveless shirt and tight jeans. I was hooked.

Frank was humpy back in the day.

He never could actually act worth a tinker's fart but he was handsome, and by all accounts a very nice guy.

r470 The possibility of starting a soap channel devoted to old episodes of class soaps was discussed at some length recently in the Hope Memorial: The Doctors thread linked below.

The old soap discussion starts at reply 30 and then periodically pops up throughout the rest of the thread (which is still active). Lots of good info in that thread. Feel free to contribute your thoughts.

I never saw this before and now I am crying......I know......

r473 Thank you!

Is there a youtube clip of Beth being kidnapped by Professor Blackburn which was the original Beth's last scene? I have looked and cannot find it. There are scenes right before and right after but none of her actually being taken.

Wow. Marland would have been 85 this month had he lived.

Wonder if he would have been able to prolong the life of one or more of the shows.

Certainly, ATWT ran on the fumes of his brilliance until it sputtered and died.

I wish I could find the interview, but I remember Colleen Zenk relating how she took one of Marland's EPs (Bob Calhoun or Laurence Caso) to some function and introduced him to the actress playing Bonnie and described a little of her story and the EP said to CZ how that was not at all what Doug had planned for Bonnie.

So if Doug were still alive, I truly believe he would still be writing that show.

speaking of Colleen Zenk, Does anyone remember her telling a story(I'm assuming in SOD) about her meeting Bob Fosse and auditioning for him? I would love to read that story again

"She once turned down famed choreographer Bob Fosse's offer of a major role in Pippin, hoping he would change his mind about giving her a part in Chicago; he didn't. 'He said, 'Kid, you're not dirty enough yet.'"

She would have made the definitive Go To Hell Kitty.

r479

thank you!

Bob Fosse would have been all over the young Colleen. I bet she has a story to tell there r479.

You bitches missed the real lede - that Kathy Hays did Follies! (A regional theater Follies, but one that was apparently filmed!)

OMG that L'eggs commercial is fabulous.

Colleen was an amazing dancer. A very close friend of hers started a dance company in Chicago and was very well known in the dance world.

New photos of Kathryn Hays.

Oh my......She looks like herself but she's way too thin.. I wonder if she's been ill because she's seriously underweight.

Beth Chamberlain (Beth Raines #2) got more and more gorgeous as she aged. Last I saw of her, she still looked fantastic. She got into some fitness business and I remember her body being flawless on GL. She put actresses younger than her to shame. Both Hayden Panettierre and Brittany Snow played her daughters.

Oh, that picture of Kathryn Hays makes me wanna cry.

I feel like we should find her address and send her some letters letting her know she is still remembered!

R487, Brittany Snow played Harley/Beth Ehlers’ daughter.

I want to know if Kathy Hays called that lady 'kiddo'.

Kathy Hays looks like she’s had a stroke. But she looks good for 108.

Kathy, like many of the ATWT vets, turns 85 this year.

Patricia Bruder, two years ago, looking exactly like I'd expect her to. She has aged really well. I've been watching some old clips (Dan and David's deaths, a few other miscellaneous clips here and there.) One YouTube viewer wrote about meeting her on the MTA in New York a few years ago and saying how flattered she was in being recognized. She sort of reminds me of Jane Powell who played Lisa during two of Eileen's absences.

I must admit that I did a jaw drop at the picture of Kathryn Hays. A lot can change in a decade, and I hope she's ok.

A post transferred over from the Doctors thread.....Lisa and Bob

Crying after watching R494

It's schmaltzy but seeing Ben Hendrickson.....tears

Ben H had an awful wig. Jeez.

r489 She was Beth Raines' stepdaughter as well.

Harley/Beth Ehlers was atrocious. How could she have been in any romantic relationship. Shrill and ugly features. That actress got lucky.

R498 Whaat? She was great. Attractive, not a knockout but you could totally see why the guys loved her.

She was Reva Jr. in a lot of ways.

r499 Are you serious? Not attractive in the least. She looked like a bow legged witch. And fucking shrill. Yet, she attractive a loony tunes fan base. I guess they saw her as the ugly girl who got the hot guys but her pairings rarely made sense. Kim Zimmer was a knock out when she was younger. Beth Ehlers? Not even remotely close.

Did Kathy Hays ever plug up the toilet? Or was that Fulton only?

Did somebody seriously compare Beth Ehlers to Kim Zimmer... what are you, brain dead?

Beth Ehlers may have a trick pelvis off camera but she was never a big draw for me on screen.

Harley was always one of my favorites. Although apparently Beth Ehlers wasn't a ray of sunshine offscreen.

As Kim said in her book (notes are mine below):

[quote] Most of the people I have chosen to single out in my book have been salt-of-the-earth individuals. But let’s face it: Not everyone I worked with over the years fits that description. A soap opera cast is like a family. And, as with all families, there will be an occasional troublemaker, black sheep, or outcast who doesn’t last that long before being exiled—and in the case of a soap actor, that means the unemployment line. There was one actress (note: rumored to be BE) who fell in love with all of her costars. Really. She seriously fell hook, line, and sinker on several occasions. (note: supposedly even a female costar!) And the actors who were the objects of her affection were all too happy to oblige. She fell in love with one costar (note: supposedly Mark Derwin) while she was still married, eventually divorced her husband, and moved in with the costar. For whatever reasons, that relationship didn’t last. Her next conquest was another costar (note: Rob Bogue - who, ironically, played Mallet as Mark Derwin had) who was married—as was she, having gotten married . . . again . . . but this time to someone outside the business. She ended up leaving her husband for this guy; the two actors had decided they were both going to get out of their relationships so they could be together. Unfortunately for her, he got cold feet and never left his wife. For the first time since I knew her, she was suddenly neither married nor involved. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

I could only take Harley in small doses in the youtube clips Iv'e seen. And she is not a looker by any means.

r502 Apparently. The character nor the actress was any near the ballpark of Kim/Reva

r504 I wonder who the female actress was? THAT is juicy. Didn't Kim also hint she was a dark presence on the set? And everyone was glad when she left? What did she say about Michelle Forbes?

GL ruined so many characters. Beth Raines being the worst character assassination (well behind Alexandra). Went from an incest rape survivor who stood up to her abusive rapist, came back from the dead, left town with her soulmate then came back a neurotic nut. What a slap in the face to the legacy of her character (one of the few in daytime to be part of 2 major supercouples) and fans. They redeemed her at the very end, though.

R505

Where have you been? The female she had a fling with was Watros.

R505 I thought Beth's path was an interesting one, kind of like Barbara Ryan at ATWT.

I would have been okay with most of it UNTIL she got together with Alan. That just would, and should, have never, ever, ever happened.

Rob Bogue was quite popular on set. He has a big dick and word got out fast. (Seriously, costume crew lives for this shit and the first time one of them sees it, it's all around the building by the next day.)

When Rob didn't leave his wife for Beth things got weird. They took Mallet completely out of story with Harley at that point. Then when his marriage did fall apart, he hooked up with Mandy Bruno (Marina) - now his wife - and I think Beth and Mandy, who had been friendly before, got into some scuffles.

I always wished Judi Evans had gone back to GL after Another World had ended. She did such wonderful work on that show and really grew into this actress of great substance and feeling.

r509 It would have been interesting if she had returned but I'm not sure the writing was there for Beth at the time. They were hell bent on making her the villian. That would have been fine had they had written some type of motive down the line. They took a legacy character, one with a shit ton of history, a character that was once beloved, who had gone through hell and back, and reduced her to a jealous wife. Beth was never the jealous type. When she was cheated on, she moved on. It was always ever man after HER, not the other way around. Which again, with better writing, they could have explained it better and truly given her depth. They didn't until later on when it was too late. I loved her affair with Coop. Many hated it but it made sense. Coop was just like Phillip in a lot of ways and unlike Phillip, wouldn't have hurt her.

And agree about the Alan thing. That was a bridge waaaay too far for that character. There is a video of Vincent Irizarry (Lujack) way after he left the show as Nick, saying how disgusted he was at the character assassination of Beth. He said it broke his heart.

WATROS! I do think I remember hearing that. Watros is way too hot for Elhers. Elhers must've had a magical pussy to get the dick she got. She was a fucking mess behind the scenes. No wonder Zimmer said she was such dark energy. I see she isn't working anymore. No surprise.

I still can't understand why Beth, the character, never met Nick. Or that we never saw Phillip and Nick interacting.

r511 Talk about a missed opportunity! It is almost unbelievable they never met, nor did we ever hear her speak about this look alike to her other soulmate who died in her arms.

Apparently, they were actually going to bring Lujack back. His death would be explained by the organization that kidnapped Beth slipped him a drug to slow his heartbeat to the point it looked like it stopped. He was imprisoned away. He, at one point, found out Beth and his mother were dead (both presumed dead at the same time in 1989) and once he escaped, he never returned to town due to heartbreak. Then, he sees his mother in a newspaper somewhere and returns to town only to first run into Beth, who he still thinks is dead. She, of course, thinks he is Nick. It would have been epic.

Speaking of dark energy don't forget how Ehlers through her ego around at AMC and belittled the disfigured veteran who joined the show (his name escapes me). She through a fit when AMC wanted to put them together. She was a raging entitled cunt to him. AMC cut her early due to her bad behavior.

How can we discuss the writing for Beth Raines and not discuss the horrific Lorelei.

Good Lord in the morning!

r514 It was stupid but I enjoyed Lorelei and it was an opportunity for them to explain Beth's odd behavior since she returned to town with little Hayden Panetteire. I thought they were when Beth had to be the dominant personality over Lorelei and integrate them so she could be Beth again. Then they dropped it (I'm sure another writer change) and missed that opportunity.

Ehlers behavior spiraled once she left GL and joined AMC. I couldn't believe the way she reportedly treated that wounded war vet. What a class A bitch. Home wrecking hussy.

I sort of liked part of the Lorelai story, because it actually incorporated part of the whole Beth was molested story, etc.

But yes, the writer changes came along and just threw it into chaos.

I don't know if Kreizman was writing then but it reminded me of his work - splashy at the beginning but petering out into nothingness at the end.

There was so much they could have done with Beth. Phillip was always obsessed with her. It really was not healthy. When he went crazy, they could have incorporating that into the story. Also, with Nick around, if they could have convinced VI to return, that would have opened up a whole lot of story. In short, they really had a legacy character with such a rich history, iconic history, and they never came close to capitalizing on it. That is really such a shame. To me, the writing of Beth Raines was everything wrong with GL and how it was written in general.

Looking back on 1995 episodes of ATWT, the way Toni Leslie James dressed Eileen Fulton explains Fulton’s bowel issues. Lisa always looked bloated, like she ate too much chinese food the night before with all the msg and salt. No wonder the toulets were plugged up. Toni Leslie James, you had quite a dilemma dressing the bloated actress.

Remember J (no dot) Chamberlain? He has a new Toyota ad.

r520 Yum!

The original J has now gone silver.....

On June 1 12 years ago, the pendulous Jake S arrived in Oakdale.

Pilgrim looks a lot like David Duchovny in recent pictures.

I couldn't believe how 70s his hair was when he was cast - but it was clear he was about 10 years too old for the part of J. I think they tried to find someone that looked a bit like Michael Tylo and Lisa Brown, but ultimately they picked Ethan Erickson, who looked nothing like either.

By then someone at GL had some sort of dark haired stud/Guido fetish, because Frank Grillo came on the scene.

Frank Grillo is hot asf.

He has grown into his looks, but he was just squicky when he was on GL.

I thought he was hot then and now. Really aged well.

R522

That's Quint & Nola's kid??? I feel incredibly old.

Van H (Luke) and Jake S (Noah) are appearing with other daytime stars at a Pride event in DC on the 29th. The other actors are from GH, DOOL and Y&R.

What about Olivia and Natalia?

Well Van’s career certainly went nowhere.

Was it expected to, r532 ?

Is he gay IRL?

Van gave an interview to Out Magazine after first getting on ATWT and he lied and said that he’s straight! No one believed him. lololololololol Van straight? Yeahright.

Has it been confirmed that he isn't straight? He screams gay to me.

R535

Yes. He had/has a long term boyfriend.

A friend of mine insists that Van kissed 3 guys while on ATWT. I know Noah and the snarky doctor. Who was the third?

R529 They cast him as incredibly old. Both times.

So don't feel so bad.

R537 Laurence Lau from All My Children

Who hear would fuck Van? Is he a bottom or top? Was he a bottom or top, in character of course, with Noah?

Why did Kim Zimmer have a problem with her son playing the character? Was it really because the character was going to be gay? La Zimmer seems like she would be the world's most fun fag hag so I would be shocked though I heard, at one point, she was a Republican.

So, what kept GL competitive for much of its run? Especially later on when it ran up against a red hot GH? I am surprised GL not only held its own but briefly hit #1 in the summer of '84.

I was too young to know why GL stayed competitive for as long as it did while so many other shows died out by the 80's.

In talking to my mom and aunt plus some others, I was told -it always had a special quality to it few, if any, other shows had. The acting and writing were usually top notch. It had good villains/heroines. that, although he grew to be a bit much, it got lucky in the 80's to have a genuine star in La Zimmer.

^^^she grew a bit much---sorry La Zimmer

R540 Varying stories have come out about it, but if Kim interceded, I think she was worried that Jake playing Luke coming out as his first role would typecast him. Jake may have also been uncomfortable at that time, as he was still in high school.

I don't think Kim, herself, had any sort of issue with the content, beyond the fact that a 15 or 16 year old kid and a newbie might not have been able to handle the weight of that story.

The great irony, of course, is that now, a decade or so later, Jake Weary is a contract actor on TNT's Animal Kingdom, playing Ellen Barkin and Denis Leary's son.....a gay man!

r543 I did not know that!

Mental illness at its peak.

[quote] Grant’s peen touched the water when he sat down to shit.

[quote] Liz Matthews had a great snatch!

[quote] Gil Hobson ate out my pussy.

[quote] Did Kathy Hays ever plug up the toilet? Or was that Fulton only?

[quote] With so many lezzies on AW, who’s snatch did Geri Court eat out? Connie Ford?

This poster desperately needs involuntary inpatient institutionalization. They are off their fucking rocker. And apparently as fascinated with toilet functions and genitalia as a five year old.

R544

Where you been? He even does nudity too. And for another bit of irony= his character's love interest is played by the actor who played Vicky Hudson & Grant Harrison's son on AW.

Animal Kingdom is a great show.

r546 I didn't watch soaps except GL and YR growing up. The whole family watched those two- aunts/uncles/cousins both boys and girls/ brother and both sisters. We were a CBS soap fam all the way. Never watched the dreadful BB but did occasionally watch ATWT esp when Luke and Noah were a thing. But I have not heard anything about the actors or their lives.

Pamela Long created both of the characters of Reva Shayne and Harley Cooper.

I did not like Harley at all. Not a bit. Reva it was either love love or get off my TV. LOL

I loved Reva. Seriously loved her. She wasn't pigeon holed like so many women characters. She was a vixen, a shit stirrer, a heroine, a mama bear for anyone in her family, a woman who had many men but only had one true love.

Josh/Reva were true loves who went thru hell but no matter how badly they hurt each other you knew they'd wind up together.

La Zimmer could chew scenery but also be very understated. She really was one of the best actresses. Watching her act was often a lot of fun. When she was good she was amazing. She really was never bad or even mediocre. She could phone it in but even then, she shit on most others.

Reva was also fun but it was, at times, too much. Then the batshit stories they gave her towards the end. Ugh. I still cannot believe GL went there. After the clone story, it was like ok, it had some deeply emotional moments. But the too stupid for words time traveling story was first reported, I was in deep shock. LOL. They got so much shit for the clone story and then went on to do an even stupider, infuriating story with time travel. Watching it was excruciating. You can't tell me CBS didn't want this canceled.

Guiding Light and As the World Turns were multi-generational shows, where virtue was rewarded and villains punished, as established by Irna Phillips, Agnes Nixon, Bill Bell, and Ted Corday. They were populated by relatable characters played by relatable actors with stage training. Then differed from the shows in the mold of Portia Faces Life with one or two female protagonists who faced heartache after heartache like Search for Tomorrow or Love of Life. They also differed from the Los Angeles soaps that featured washed up movie actors, pretty people, and glamorous situations like the later Bell/Corday shows or the Nixon shows which focused more on individual characters than multi-generational families. If you liked drawing room drama, well-acted, you watched Another World. If you wanted family drama you watched Guiding Light or As the World Turns. In the 80s GL and ATWT succeeded when they followed their traditional formats, focusing on the Bauers and the Hughes. When they lost their identities and became about individual female protagonists (Reva, Harley, Carly, Katie), they failed.

I wish Reva had either stayed away or that the show or Kim would have allowed her to mellow and become a supporting player.

The two interesting possibilities for Reva near the end were Josh wanting to go into ministry and Reva having cancer.

I liked the idea of Josh exploring that, but it was dumber than dumb that he would have been with Cassie at that point. Had Reva been his wife, there would have been a whole story where Reva would have explored her own shame about her younger days, and what people thought about her, etc. Would she be good enough to be a minister's wife?

And as for the cancer thing, the focus should have been: How does a woman who has always lived by her looks, who was sex on a stick, deal with it when her stock in trade is taken away?

Instead, it was: let me lie to Josh and Cassie about this and almost die in the process. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Years ago, when Laurence Lau was on AMC, I heard he was often seen in gay bars. I figured that was just wishful thinking, but after his smooch with Van Hansis on ATWT, I'm not sure. Is he or isn't he?

R553

One of her best storylines toward the end was Reva going thru menopause & facing the fact that she was no longer the woman who made every man head's turn. Zimmer/Newman's scenes where Reva tells him all this was stellar. Beautifully written & brilliantly played. Very subtle painful scenes of Reva telling him the marriage is over.

I knew the day I watched those scenes that Zimmer would win another Emmy and she did.

So that is why the NY shows, esp GL, had better acting. They were theater trained for the most part.

So, I didn't know this until recently, but GL was completely overlooked at the Emmys for so long esp acting. It was the Judi Luciano who played Beth who won GL's first acting Emmy all the way until 1984. That is just crazy. Were they hostile towards the show?

Here's her Emmy reel.

Anyone remember that Emmys opening where a gal came onstage and sang something about how exciting it was to be there. I think the performer was Mary Cadorette. The song was sweet (I think it was called “Can You Imagine”) and one of the lyrics mentioned Kim Zimmer.

It is a shame soaps have died out. What remains are poor imitations of themselves. I've tried to peek in at a few and they are awful. It is only a matter of a few years before they are all gone.

I think they should have put GL/ATWT to 30 minutes before canceling them. But we all know CBS and whoever owned the shows wanted them gone.

I'm re-visiting the Kim Hunter/Nola Madison/Mansions of the Damned story on "The Edge of Night" for which she received an Emmy nomination. I recall this being considered a big event at the time even though, as an Oscar winning actress and well beloved for "Planet of the Apes", she wasn't what you would call a huge star. According to the IMDb, she had a brief guest appearance on "As the World Turns" in her later years. I know she had a cameo on "All My Children" several years before that. "Edge" transitioned from the end of that storyline right into the Emily DeGault/Draper story very smoothly, making them nice companion pieces in the best years of "EON's" ABC run.

YES.

Oops, wrong thread, sorry!

But I do want Mueller to get a kick in the cunt.

[quote] So, I didn't know this until recently, but GL was completely overlooked at the Emmys for so long esp acting.

Another World and the ABC shows really dominated the Emmys in the 70s and early 80s. It took until the mid 80s for the nominations to rotate at least a bit among ATWT and GL.

r563 Why? It seems ATWT and GL were both quality in every way. ABC shows were seen as a joke. AW, though, I heard was high quality for a long time.

Because GL and ATWT were really kinda sleepy and milquetoast through a lot of the 70s. Entertaining, but seen as sort of square.

ABC dominated the Emmys from 1980-83 or so. There was one ceremony where ABC won all of the major awards. I believe it was so bad that NBC boycotted the ceremonies for a year or two, it was so lopsided.

I didn't start watching "Another World" live until 1983, having lost interest in "One Life to Live" after the Echo Di Savoy story began. Long time "AW" fans said that "AW" started to go downhill after Iris left for "Texas" and never recovered. Compared to what I was viewing on "ATWT" and "OLTL" at the time (their competitors), "AW" was still like live theater even with different writers. When all the old episodes started popping up of the golden age, I binge watched and indeed, that time up through the end of the Janice/Mac/Rachel story was brilliant.

There is a scene of Jim Matthews visiting Liz late at night to tell her of John Randolph's death, and in her one scene in that 90 minute episode, Irene Dailey showed so much depth: her loneliness, her obsessive love for her family, and her willingness and desire to be there anytime when they needed her. I believe this was the year that Irene won the Daytime Emmy, and if you can ever get to know one character in just a period of a few minutes that reveals every depth of their soul, Irene exploded with that revelation. Harding Lemay said that Constance Ford needed few words to express what Ada needed to say, and the same exact thing could be said about Irene as Liz.

Liz's big scene is at the 50 minute mark.

Did Connie and Irene eat each other out often?

Weren't the Emmy's all about square? GL had Roger raping Holly and all of that. It hardly seemed square, though. It seems there was some very funny business going on with the Emmy's. GL did win Best Show in 80 and 81.

R567

La Bev looks so pretty in those clips.

That clip at R567 is amazing, and the music is beautiful.

But you can tell they were filling the scenes with exposition and dialogue. 90 minutes was just too long. Once in a while, maybe.

Ann Flood was top billed on Edge of Night for over 20 years

Edge of Night

Starring

Ann Flood

As

Nancy Karr

The original main character of EON was Mike Karr. John Larkin originated the character and Laurence Hugo continued. When Forrest Compton (best known as a recurring character in Gomer Pyle, USMC) took over the role, the character's importance diminished, and his wife , Nancy, and Adam Drake became the focus of the show.

Soaps were once 90 minutes long? That is way too much.

R574 Only one, Another World, and only briefly.

All the half hour shows were going to an hour and they thought "Let's try 90 minutes" but it was terrible.

Holy crap-- Forrest Compton is still alive (and smokin') at the age of 93!

R576, wow, usually I can recognize SOMETHING about the actor when they age, but he looks nothing like his younger self.

While most of "The Edge of Night" actors got picked up by other New York based soaps, Forrest Compton only did a few brief appearances, playing Mac Cory's brother on "Another World" (Ann Flood was in the same episode) and a short term part on "As the World Turns". Ann took two years off from acting, then did "SFT", "AW", "AMC", "OLTL" and "ATWT", briefly on contract as Bitsy (Cecily's mother) on "AMC". A picture of her a few years ago showed her as being still recognizable and quite attractive. She sort of looked like Kathryn Hays here, but as evidenced by pictures of Kathryn earlier in this thread, she doesn't look anything like she did 10 years ago.

R573

I was very little so my memory is not that great. I thought Nancy & Adam were paired together on EON.

I sort of vaguely remember him from EON.

Though I was much more about Charles Grant (or whatever his other last name was) at the time.

R578 I was just looking at photos for the next P&G thread here and what did I find but.....

MARY!

Some cute stuff on this Tumblr, darlings. I hope you don't mind if I post a few items.

Of course, Grant and his pendulousness is holding up the whole structure.

Oh, my. I remember this. This was one of the reasons I started to buy Digest!

There's a Dusty and a Holden one, but Brian Bloom is way hotter in these shots.

Not that Jon Hensley is chopped liver or anything.

And Bill Shanks ain't bad, either.

So young!

Lady Eyes a Buggin, at your service.

The ORIGINAL bitch!

Helen would cut a bitch, though.

Because Ann Flood got TOP BILLING on Edge of Night, they offered Oscar Winner Kim Hunter the "and" credit at the end of the cast credit crawl

And

Kim Hunter

As

Nola Madison

Josh, I mean Rod, I mean Josh

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Suck it

Sucking blood.....

**sob**

Kathy Hays on the couch

Aw, these two.

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