Madeline McCann’s Murderer Parents Freaking Out Over 8-Part Netflix Series Coming This Month

I honestly don’t see how bringing more attention to a missing person case can hinder it.

Is this a case of they doth protest too much and don’t want her found?

I am going to get flamed, but I don't care. This whole thing has been hinky from the start.

My heroes!

Does OP have anything other than wild speculation?

I don't believe they killed their little toddler.

They just didn't protect her, going off to drink all night while she was left in an insecure hotel room. It reflects badly on them.

She was either kidnapped, raped and killed by some pedo perv, or sold to a pedo ring to be raped repeatedly on video and then sold again and again to various pedo tricks until she was all used up and then finally killed.

Her parents are ashamed beyond belief and instead of cooperating to find out what really happened andaybe catch who did it, they choose instead to cover up their own activities that evening. They know their daughter's dead, so why not just try to save face at this point, is what they're probably thinking.

Except that it only makes them look worse. And masses of simple-minded people will even start believing they murdered her themselves.

I think you are right r5 Somehow that makes it all more hideous.

All of the money that has been wasted on this search is insane. They really are horrible people.

And OJ is innocent, too. lmfao

R5 and r7, I agree.

They're afraid the documentarians will reveal all about their wayward daughter and her saucy airs!

I read last week that the police investigation is running out of money. You'd think they'd welcome a documentary, which would drum up interest and maybe the will to fund a further (pointless) search for the dead girl?

Yeah because if they didn’t do it, then they are least the world’s worst parents.

I never understood why this case received so much publicity - was it because she was sort of cute? Otherwise there was nothing particularly interesting about it. So a Brit brat went missing - big deal! It's not like we don't have around 2 billion of other brats left roaming our planet.

It's interesting how inconsistent public suspicion is. I think that Amanda woman convicted (and later released ) in Italy behaved in a far stranger manner than the McCans, who just strike me as reserved Brits. Yet she is widely viewed as innocent while the McCanns are seen as guilty. I think they were not involved but were incredibly irresponsible.

R14, it’s not their demeanor, it’s the physical evidence in each case. I’m going by memory, but I believe that there was no evidence of the presence of a stranger in the McCann’s room. It was not even clear that anyone else could have gotten in, if the McCanns were telling the truth about checking on the room.

Could the child have wandered off and then met with foul play or had an accident?

R16 That's my suspicion

She's fine! She sends her love.

I thought they were at a resort. I thought the children were in the room together, while the parents were at the outdoor pool side restaurant at the same resort. This resort catered to families, esp families with small children.

I do not know why people hate them so much. They did not do it. The resort was not secure. The police were complete a-holes (or worse), and just protected the hotel from liable.

When did it become to blame grieving parents? If they were charged with credible evidence fine, but this is not the case. This has to be the worse thing for a parent. What kind of monster has society become to teach the public to attack grieving parents?

I despise Netflix for this.

What are you talking about, r19? They left their kid alone, they are responsible for whatever happened to her, not the resort.

R14, you got it the wrong way around. Amanda Knox was innocent, but was presented as a weirdo, had a huge media hate campaign against her, was thought to be guilty by many and even spent four years in prison, despite the allegations against her being completely implausible. The McCanns received much public sympathy, had sports teams, actors, politicians, the media, celebrities on their side, yet very little adds up about their story and, whatever happened that night is the result of them leaving their four year old and her even younger siblings alone in a strange apartment at night.

No, they were many yards away and no one was checking on the children. The night before Madeline said she cried and cried but her parents never came. Kate later spun this that the kidnappers tried the night before. However it is obvious Madeline was upset because her parents weren’t there to comfort her, yet they went out again anyway. Their affect people object to was finding time for tennis after their 3 year old went missing.

Knox is viewed as innocent in the US. That's not the case in England or Italy, this isn't a Knox thread. I saw a diagram of the McCann room. I think there was a doorway into the main hotel and also a sliding glass door to a patio. Like posters above, I think madeleine wondered off looking for her parents. I think she opened the sliding glass door and went out.

The McCann case is like the Casey Anthony case. Accidental death via Xanax.

In short, Maddie was causing trouble at the resort daycare and the parents withdrew from her. The Drs. McCann then proceeded to give her and her brothers tranquilizers so they would sleep while enjoyed adult activities. Some mix up occurred - no one knows what - but they overdosed Maddie that afternoon. No one saw Maddie after late afternoon except their doctor buddies. And they were vague as to actually seeing Maddie during the room checks. More, "I peaked in and everything seemed fine."

Accidents happen. Doctors cover up for each other all the time. AFAIK, the mother stopped practicing medicine. The hatred for them was the huge Maddie fund and PR push they launched after her death. Collected a bunch of money and made no effort to find the kidnapper except chase down unlikely leads.

See the documentary. Make up your own minds. (OT: Amanda Knox is guilty as hell - well known in Italy and the UK.)

You Amanda Knox conspiracy theorists are insane. Just because someone is obnoxious and an American doesn't make them a murderer. The murderer is in prison for Meredith's murder.

As for this family, these are awful parents (although I don't think they had anything to do with their daughter's disappearance except being negligent POS) who should have had their other kids removed from their care.

I loved when the McCann’s went all the way to Vatican to visit the Pope. There was literally no low they wouldn’t go. lol

Gerry is kinda hot.

[quote] This has to be the worse thing for a parent.

Even worse than being illiterate?

Iirc, they refused to answer questions from local police and authorities, bringing in a lawyer straight away. And a police sniffer dog trained to detect the smell of cadavers indicated a dead body had at one point been placed in the boot of the car they were using at the time of the kidnapping.

I suspect what the British public find really galling though, is the disproportionate amount of money spent attempting to find a blonde, blue eyed, white girl. That really does seem grossly unfair.

The resentment against the parents is in part due to the overwhelming amount of public funds allocated to the search for Madeleine. Close to £12m has been spent so far and there is no end in sight. I recall reading a comment saying whenever the well is about to run dry the parents or the local police claim to have a new lead in the case in order to push for new funding. So the resentment among taxpayers has been building for quite some time.

Also, once her unusual pupil in one eye was highlighted publicly, surely whoever had her would have killed her? All child disappearances are devastating but this family have had more funding and publicity than anyone else who has a missing child.

GBP12M: wow that could have help fund systems to benefit all children

Don’t look at me.

I’m glad the heat is off me!

I will definitely be watching this though 8 parts seems like overkill

You are mad that Britain kicked in money to help find a little girl from their own country, who went missing in other country? This means they had some people on the ground to conduct an independent investigation on their own. This is a good thing. I am all for spending law enforcement money on finding missing children.

The family friendly resort was not safe. The resort wanted to get out of liability.

[quote] I saw a diagram of the McCann room. I think there was a doorway into the main hotel and also a sliding glass door to a patio. Like posters above, I think madeleine wondered off looking for her parents. I think she opened the sliding glass door and went out

You don't know what you are talking about. Not a single thing

In the U.K. it’s widely believed they were responsible for her death, probably covered up an accidental death.

For me the red flag is the fact they acted as though they knew she’d never be found from day one, whereas most parents in that situation would cling to the hope she might be found. For example only a short time after she “vanished” they were discussing how to run the charity (which paid their mortgage!!) in the long term and what they should do to mark the one year anniversary of her disappearance. It’s obvious from their language that they knew she was dead.

[quote] The family friendly resort was not safe. The resort wanted to get out of liability.

Why would the resort be responsible for anything? The two parents and their friends didn't give 2 shits about their kids and abandoned all of them so they could go around the block to a restaurant to go drinking and play trivia. The mother, Kate was winning and didn't want to go check on the kids

If the parents didn't give a fuck about their kids, why should the resort have given a fuck about the kids? What were they supposed to do? Follow the shitty parents around the resort and take care of their kids when the parents neglect and abandon them?

Scotland Yard is standing with the McCann's though. The McCann's wanted to have Scotland Yard's support immediately. The division that specialized in missing and exploited children, the experts. This little girl was never found because the local police were too macho to work with an expert division, with more expertise and money, or they were complicit.

SICKENING.

The UK police have pissed away about $18 million U.S

No one in Portugal or anywhere else has to talk to them. They only have jurisdiction in England. They can't arrest anyone and the parents won't spend a damned dime of their own money to look for their kid. In over 10 years the UK police haven't even had a suspect. Their begging for extra money comes every year around the very same time. The UK cops want to go on vacation to sunny Portugal.

The British police are some of the biggest jokes in the world.

When your child is missing, you would do anything to find them? Portugal is a Catholic country, so going to the head of the Catholic Church, the pope, for support is critical.

They were shitty parents.

Scotland Yard want the case to be reopen, along with the McCann's. It is the Portuguese officials who refuse to reopen the case. This documentary is to put pressure on the Portuguese officials to reopen the case, and to work with Interpol.

well obviously, you know, we'd just like our daughter Madeline back again.

OP you are lying! The McCann's want the case reopen. They, along with Scotland Yard and Interpol, are filing to have the Portuguese Officials to reopen this case. There is evidence. This documentary is about reopening the case. To put pressure on the authorities to do this. Maybe they want to reopen, but have to overcome conspiracy theorists in their county too.

Do not believe OP. They are trying to reopen this case. Click and read The Guardian article.

Mumsnet bitches have arrived!!

I hate that I know this, but Mumsnet had to ban any discussion of the McCanns because too many posters there thought they were guilty.

Too cheap to pay for a babysitter #sad

Can't believe Maddie would be turning 16 this year if she's still alive, time just flies by.

GBP12M is a fucktonne to spend on one kid...especially one whose patents left her unattended at night and then refused to make themselves available to answer questions from the Portugal police

R5 what is so "simple minded" about thinking the parents killed (though probably accidently)? It's more likely than a pedo ring taking a middle class white kid from a vacation resort.

R24 makes the most believable case. These parents are at the very least guilty of negligence, or much worse. Their attitude for the months and years following makes them psychopaths IMO. Worried primarily about their own image.

If the dog sniffed that a dead body had been placed in the boot of the car, that seals it IMO.

Amanda Knox got away with murder then blamed two black guys, one who is serving time for her a crime and the other had to leave to get away from the stigma of her accusations. Bitch will get hers one day.

I remember seeing the father showing off memorabilia David Beckham and various celebs had signed for an upcoming auction. He was positively giddy. From that moment on I felt he knew she was dead and didn’t care, he was genuinely enjoying himself. The mother is a different story, she seems to be eaten up by guilt.

In the early days of this case Popbitch insinuated they were on a swingers holiday.

God, I hate being as basic as Erna but...

They *clap* fucking *clap* killed *clap* their *clap* own *clap* daughter! Someone fucking jail the fuckers!

I attended a wedding at a B&B a few years ago and many parents put their kids to bed in the house and proceeded to dance/drink many yards away. It reminded me of this case and I don’t believe they killed the kid. But get babysitters, people!

Agree with R53. They quickly switched modes from processing their daughter's death to a laser focus on avoiding punishment. Like a poster said above, doctors are used to covering for each other and I think this protective mechanism quickly kicked in. If one of the parents had not been a doctor, they might not have been able to align their thinking so rapidly.

They probably rationalized that they were justified in avoiding prison because they did not mean to kill their daughter and also because it would be damaging to their two remaining children.

^ I mean R24.

Agree with R25 about Amanda Knox. Some people also seemed biased against her because she is white.

I don't have strong opinions about this, but I've always found the idea pretty odd that a pedo ring that's ballsy, efficient and well-organized enough to successfully heist a kid from a hotel room (at a resort that caters to the upper middle class, no less), would only take one. It's not like cute little white kids are easy to come by, and wouldn't three be worth a LOT more than just one? The younger siblings would've actually been easier to kidnap since younger children are more trusting of strangers.

Occam's razor says that R24's theory is correct. Either that or Madeleine wandered out of the room and then got snatched, but that's also iffy. You'd think she'd be spotted on camera or by witnesses.

This is like leaving children alone in a car. Anything can happen. Why weren't they charged with any crimes? I know parents do it but it is insane and very stupid. Really criminal behavior.

Frau alert at R20.

Agree with R62. Pedo rings are going to focus on children from marginalized backgrounds and dysfunctional families. Not the kid of 2 doctors.

The only problem I see with the accidental overdose coverup theory is what did they do with her body? I just don’t see how they could have disposed of her body in that time frame, unless of course her death occurred hours before.

The hold-all theory, R66.

Person or persons X abducted and killed Mads.

End of.

Portugal is a big country she could be buried anywhere.

July 2007

Sniffer dogs flown in from Britain.

Two Springer spaniels are brought in from Yorkshire police. Keela is trained to detect traces of human blood. Eddie is trained to alert officers to the scent of dead bodies.

One or both dogs give alerts at spots in 5A (the apartment the McCanns stayed in), Kate McCann’s clothes, Madeleine’s soft toy and a borrowed Bible.

Eddie also gives an alert at the McCanns’ rental car.

I’ve never understood why so much money and attention has been spent on this case alone.

As for Knox, guilty or innocent she has milked it financially. Fuck her.

R70 - I hate to be the one to say this...but it's because she was a pretty little blonde girl who came from a middle-class family. There's a commonly expressed view that if she came from a poorer background, or if she was black or even if she had brown hair or was even a boy the Madeline McCann Circus would have been shut down years ago. It's as simple as that.

Think about it - if her parents were working class and came from a council estate (think housing project, Americans) then the media would have blamed them from the start. But they're not. They're Professional Middle Class. They're *doctors*. She's white. That face sold thousands of copies of papers and magazines when the incident started.

13 - I don't know if you are Eniglish or not. If you live in England, it doesn't take a lot of observation to realise how much sway and control that the "mediating class" type has over mores and culture in England. It is they and not solely the "upper" class that run things.

A set of people more concerned with status, privilege, image,being conformist ( to each other), having an opinion rendered by "committee" hardly exist. One can be either "left" or "right" if part of this "class". It is the "class" and not the politics that comes first with this type.and being "middle class" isn't the sole criteria for being a member of said class. There will be loads of middle class people not of this "class" , as there will be a lot working class types who are mediating class aspirants and their attitude will enable them to reach into the sacred coven. "Conformity", "Pro establishment" even if they claim not to be ( because they never lose any money being an "activist and everybody knows that 'activism' comes at a cost, or should do). Being non white doesn't hold one back, either as long as one subscribes to white, English mediating class tropes of what constitutes "racism" and "advocacy". Famous types of this class went to bat for the Mccanns immediately as it was discovered that Madeleine was gone. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. All this so that the parents can't be called the useless parents that they were. I do remember one policewoman saying that if happened in England, they would have been arrested for neglect. I now know why they go for this type first when any revolution occurs, even though their loss of skill effects said countries. Corrupt doesn't even begin to describe this class in any country. Any thread about the McCanns gets pulled as quick as certain threads on here on a certain mediating class influenced parenting website that I visit that has got a lot of excellent advice, but obviously has a certain "tone" and is quite intolerant of obviously working class mores and has as much of an anti black problem as this site, but with more defensive rhetoric to defend themselves than anything that an average Datalounger would bother to muster. Then again, an American or Continental European would find it hard to perform the fifty ways of being a hypocrite than the average ENGLISH mediating class type has to in order to be a member of said class. Nobody does "hypocrisy" like a certain type of English man/woman. It's what they gave to The World. Now I'm getting flashbacks of The McCanns encouraging xenophobia against The Portuguese. Who else apart from that type could get away with that and still be considered "decent" , by many in current times? All this because they can't take no shame.

Correct R71 their background make it ideal fodder for the British press like the Daily Mail to cover and perpetuate the story.

If it was a little brown boy from a north London council estate, then it wouldn't attract the same coverage.

Exactly, R73. The Daily Mail and the other tabloid press fucking lapped that story up.

Exactly R69.

Agreed with many of R72's points. Paragraphs would have been nice but I get it. Personally spent too much fucking time with that "class" not to fucking loathe them.

[quote]More, "I peaked in and everything seemed fine."

Oh, dear!

That's almost like an admission of guilt R77.

Not being English, I don’t understand what R72 is talking about. What is a “mediating class”?

I do wish the McCann's ran a daycare service back in '96. How different things could have been!

R24, no, Amanda Knox isn't guilty of anything except for having been young and naive and in a foreign country that she didn't speak the language of at the time. People in the UK and Italy don't think she's guilty. A lot did at one point, driven by the UK tabloid media narrative - the same UK tabloid media narrative that licked the asses of the McCanns.

Could we get back on topic please.

Agree with R81. Sadly, the UK media presented narratives based on what was likely to draw the most reader$.

R43, your link to Scotland Yard supposedly wanting the case reopened is from April 2012, seven years ago. Since then British police have been over to Portugal and carried out their own forensic examinations and inquiries - on top of those ones they carried out in 2007, as detailed in r69.

REFLECTS BADLY ON THEM? WHY AREN'T THEY BEING CHARGED WITH CRIMINAL NEGLECT? SHE PEEKED IN?!

THEY ABANDONED THEIR CHILDREN!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS EVERYONE THINKING?! THEY WEREN'T AT HOME!

Fascinating story - I'll be eager to watch it. Starz (I think) had a show called The Missing that was based on the McCann case. In this story, the kid really had disappeared, it but it was interesting to see how quickly public opinion turned against the parents over a couple of missteps, a dad with some shady dealings and false impressions about their behavior.

Still, for all the reasons listed above, the whole thing doesn't make sense: if some pedo ring kidnapped the kid, why take just one? Take a little boy at least - they've got to be worth a lot in that world. Also, I was under the impression that there are cameras everywhere in Europe and at least a vacation resort would have cameras - why wasn't any of this picked up? I would imagine there are a lot of people in the UK who want to believe these two are guilty since if they weren't & the kid really did get kidnapped, it means their kids could get snatched while they're partying in Portugal, Ibiza or wherever else Brits like to get their drunk on.

It's amazing these two have stayed married; imagine assuming your kid was dead, but thinking that maybe they're alive living some dreadful existence, or knowing they're dead and keeping a huge secret from everyone. It's really a fascinating story & I could see why it still holds people's attention. It's got race, class, local police incompetence & people whose lives are clearly considered more important than other lives.

Calm down, R85.

It was reported at the time or maybe slightly after the fact that the McCann's had connections to Gordon Brown who was (I think) Deputy PM at the time. The class of the parents had a huge bearing on how this case played out in the media and how they were treated by the British authorities.

As for what happened I keep an open mind, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an accidental death and cover up but nor would I be surprised if she was taken or wandered off alone and met an unfortunate end.

I do think the parents are odd and did some weird things but some people are odd and I'm not in their shoes.

Leaving a 4-year-old alone sounds like neglect to me.

R86 It's indeed amazing these two are still together.

When does the documentary premiere?

Accidental death and cover-up is shady as fuck. Then again as said above some professions have a tradition of covering up for one another.

R90, people who share a secret are usually stuck with each other over that terrible secret.

R87 why am I the only one saying the most obvious thing in the world? They went out to socialize leaving their kids in a strange place with no supervision and they're not charged with any crime?

She peeked in? First of all she's lying. And if you are checking in on small children in a strange place you enter the room to see if they are all right. What these parents did was abuse in the form of neglect and got off scot free.

I'm astounded that absolutely no one else sees this.

[27] Here. Sorry but peaked and peeked are the bane of my auto-correct existence.

Accidental deaths due to parental negligence are sad. Well-off people usually get off on a wink and nod. In most cases, the child is being troublesome and something unexpected happens. In the McCann case, I think the father "calms" her down - she was unruly at the resort - and the mother accidentally gives another dose. IMHO - it was a miscommunication.

The rationalization by all concerned - it was an accident, they had been wonderful parents, they made a mistake. Nothing will be gained by punishing them now. Think of the other children. (Different if the parents had been POC)

Regarding the body not being found. That's a mystery, but the dogs hit on her dead body in the boot of their rental car months after it happened. She must have been there a long time.

Regarding the Ramseys - they had the money to keep the police at bay. And, it appears they may have been protecting their other child. Even with irresponsible Casey Anthony - a case can be made that she was forced to have a baby she didn't want as a teenager by an overbearing mother. She wanted to party, they wanted her to be a mother. And the family dynamic spiral downward from there. In FL, where pretty young girls don't get sent to prison w/out smoking gun evidence, I felt the verdict was a twisted jury nullification thing.

Missing women and children. If you look at old cold cases from the 30s & 40s, you realize the police are right to look at the family first. You read about those old cases and you just know the family knows more than they are saying.

True Crime is my hobby, read countless books. By-the-by, did you know the Ripper & Dahlia cases have been solved (as best they can be at this late date.)

(as best they can be at this late date.) Isn't that a huge qualification that would preclude using the word solved in any sense?

True that the obvious answer is the most likely one, but there are cases will strangers will break into random homes and kill or kidnap kids (like Polly Klaas); the cops are right to assume it's the family, but it does happen. albeit rarely.

[R96]

Yes it does. But, they are so old, so much documentation has been lost that the solution has to be pieced together. It has been adequately in both cases.

[R97] So true. Remember Jaycee Dugard. Her stepfather was the prime suspect for years until the Berkeley police stumbled on Garrido and her children w/him. BTW, one of the best examples of shutting up and writing a check - the Calif. Assembly giving Jacyee $20 million "in view of her suffering."

Jaycee did suffer and deserved every penny. CPS had been called to the home she was being held in several times and the lazy, non-observant workers never asked to go in IIRC or did so so briefly. Can you imagine being raped and forced to give birth in a tent?

Does anyone really expect this case to be solved by police after so long a time? I think the only resolution would be if her body were to be found or she were to turn up alive, having lived under an assumed identity with someone all this time.

It is too far-fetched in my opinion to believe that a stranger was watching their comings and goings closely enough to get into the room and snatch a kid, without waking up the others or showing signs of forced entry, and getting the kid out of the resort without anyone noticing anything.

Who the hell leaves 3 young kids under the age of 4 alone for hours??? Kids that age aren't old enough to fend for themselves. If they weren't being drugged, then they could have woken up at any time and gotten into all kinds of trouble. I have zero sympathy for their idiot parents. Their other children probably should have been taken away from them.

Buried or tossed in the ocean?

Many of us do see this, R94. If this couple really did have personal ties with politicians in power, it's not such a surprise they got off scotts free though. It's disgusting, as well.

Scott Free

Scot-free

sorry, my mistake. I'm Portuguese.

No worries R106. You still parse English better than 80% of English first language DLers.

Evidence.

That's what the police work on and clearly there isn't enough to charge anyone with anything.

The British police can only do so much, because it was a crime committed in another country, that country's police are responsible for gathering evidence.

A child goes missing in a speepy coastal town. Police resources in those first few hours are going to be critical, and they just weren't there, so evidence gathering was limited.

Maddy is probably dead, so there's little chance of finding her alive. If her parents were involved, it looks like there is insufficient evidence to successfully prosecute them. If it was a 3rd person, then likewise.

Unfortunately, unless her body is discovered, then her disappearance looks likely never to be definitively solved.

They could still be sued for negligence, and never were.

Her two brothers turn 14 this year. Things will get shaky some 5, 10, 15 years from now. What do the brothers have to say? Not about the disappearance that night, they were two years old. But what's it like living with these parents?

Also, what kind of parent leaves a 2-year-old with another 2-year-old and a 4-year-old?? All alone? Child protection services were probably playing sleeping beauty for a long while in the UK.

I can see the brothers either going off the rails from being under a microscope/spotlight or they'll slip away, change their names and vanish, to be honest.

He is a highly regarded cardiologist. She I think was a doctor too.

They're catholics, so their faith must be holding them together as a couple.

They are freakish twins.

The fact that they are wealthy and, presumably, intelligent people makes it all the more ridiculous that they couldn't be bothered to pay for a babysitter for a few hours. That's how much you value your children? They deserve to live in misery.

They're CATHOLICS???? Enough said.

R5, Naivete isn't a good look.

R19, Your assertion is not proof. Just so ya know.

They're not brothers, the twins are boy/girl.

You're assertion isn't wrong though, I imagine they will have a lot of questions as adults.

R36

Sure I'm the moron. Here's the floor plan showing several different enterances into the apartment the McCanns stayed at. Fuck you.

DIdnt this “family friendly” resort have sitters one could hire? All the parents could have chipped in and had the kids in one room with a sitter.

I always wondered if the friends who went to that restaurant with them ever remained friends with them after Kate and Gerry did their daughter in.

There is a theory by some McCann theorists that the children weren't actually left alone when they ate every night. They figured out somehow from records and police interviews that one adult was absent from dinner every night except the one Maddy went missing so the theory goes that they took turns in babysitting but that day something happened to Maddy, they made a group decision to cover up and decided that risking charges of neglect was the least worse scenario.

I don't know if I believe that scenario but it hasn't ever really made sense that a load of middle to upper class doctors would leave such small children alone when they could have taken turns or used the babysitting service. Older, wealthy parents who went through IVF are usually over protective rather than lax when it comes to parenting.

If it was an accidental overdose, why did the dogs detect blood stains?

She prolly got eaten by a dingo

Who gives a fuck whether Madeline (a 4 year-old) left the room looking for her parents?? which is a poor defense but it's the only one they've got

She should never have been left alone in the first place!!

The patients who still go to this Gerry McCann for medical care are moronic to the nth degree. I wouldn't trust him with a dog. Dogs knew what was up, btw.

Like r124 said, there was a dingo in the trunk.

R122 So is this whole case a massive cover-up by a bunch of doctors? Over the wrongful death of their own daughter?? These people have no shame, if so.

I'd be curious to know what the 5 other doctors have to say about the whole thing, even today.

I still say that the missing blue hold-all that Gerry McCann was instrumental to her vanishing. Strange that it never turned up.

I don't know R127 it's just one of the more popular theories that makes the rounds in the UK.

The other people in the group have maintained a long silence apart from one or two that took part in a pro McCann documentary with Gerry a few years ago where they went back to Portugal to do a recreation of events. I can't remember the name but it might be on youtube.

THE LITTLE BITCH HAD IT COMING!

Could you be more specific, R128? Do we know the size of the blue hold-all?

Like Casey Anthony, all the parents were drugging the kids at night so they could go out and party. They overdosed Madeline and she died. They would all be complicit and would all face an inquest if it got out, so they covered it up. The end.

The hold-all was a bog-standard large hold-all. Gerry McCann used it for his tennis, apparently. It was big enough to hide a small child in.

R95 Who is guilty?! (Dahlia/Ripper)

R132 R133 That is fucking disgusting. I hope the 7 of them go down for each level of their implication.

I'll just add Algarve is known as a holiday spot for jerks. Most Portuguese avoid it unless they're jerks themselves.

She 'ad it coming, luv!

It wouldn't be datalounge without the obligatory "The possible murderer in question is kinda hot" comment R27

If a face could make you guilty, he'd be in jail by now.

[R134] Lots of ppl have a favorite suspect, I love those who think it was daddy or a famous Victorian. Here are IMO the most convincing solutions.

Dahlia

Steve Hansen - Beth Short was penniless and hiring beds in flophouse and skipping rent. She finally ends up w/Hansen who owns a nightclubs as a front for pimping. He lets her stay abt 1-2 weeks. But, Beth wouldn't do prostitution and she kept borrowing/stealing small amounts of money. Hansen hired a man named Dillon who picked up her up and took her to a seedy motel. She was seen begging for bus money and other tenants saw he naked under a sheet all drugged out in a small room. Right after her death, the tenants saw the managers clean up a blood-drenched room. All this was suppressed b/c Hansen had underworld ties. It's speculated that he was fed up w/Beth's grifting and IMO wanted to keep the other girls in line. Read "Black Dahlia, Red Rose" for the most convincing, voluminous circumstantial evidence I have read on this case. (I can't do it justice)

Ripper

The 4th victim Catherine Eddowes died in the City of London, not in London proper. It was not investigated by Scotland Yard. B/c this area was less congested, the City was able to find a witness who saw Catherine talking to a man a few minutes before and about 50 feet from death. She had her back to the witness who recognized her distinctive shawl. His name was withheld from the press and given police protection. Abt 1 month passed and then the butchery of Mary Kelly in her London rented room. She was flayed to bone, mutilated, heart removed and her eyelids cut. The body was posed so whoever entered got the impression this grotesque was staring at him.

Parliament in a panic. The Home Secretary or Police Commissioner resigned. Victoria wrote a letter of concern to HM's Govt. A few weeks later the police stood down. There had been a bobbie in every street corner. They patrolled the streets on 10-20 min. intervals. Three victims were found still warm and bleeding. But suddenly back to normal - even the vigilante committees stopped agitating. After much research, a writer (I forget the name right now) found that a man had been brought before the City of London witness who positively identified him as the man speaking to Catherine Eddowes.

The man had no ID and came to the attention of the police b/c he was found on the streets babbling incoherently, "unable to care for himself." He was not sent to a workhouse. He was somehow believed to Jewish and he was entered as David Cohen (a John Doe for Jews used at the time.) This person died w/in a year in an asylum for the criminally insane from "exhaustion of mania." No other killings occurred. Despite keeping the case officially open a few more years and from time to time responding to scares Scotland Yard diverted resources elsewhere. The vigilante committee (recipient of the "From Hell" letter) disbanded. (This is pretty much it - I forget the author name, my books are in boxes and I can't find right now)

Maddie swims with the sharks - contemporaneous theory of Spaniards who told to me personally. The rented car had thousands of unaccounted miles on it.

The parents are creepy. Will the official police sketches of the potential abductors make the cut?

Seriously, was this an insider threat to them for something?

The mother washed the girls sleep toy that smelled like the girl. A parent of a missing child would NEVER ERASE THEIR SCENT. This was noticed and she said, like a creep, “it was dirty”

There are so many theories, but very little proof. of anything.

Kind of reminds me of the woman who was just put away for life for having her husband's best friend kill him for the insurance money. She had him declared dead after 6 months(must have paid off someone in the government to do it) and told her mother in law if she pursued her son's disappearance she would take away access to her son's daughter, her grandchild. No one was to pay any attention to his death because she needed to 'move on' with her life.

Poor Madeline. She was born to two psychopaths. She wouldn't have stood a chance even if she had survived her parents abusive neglect. So they drugged her so they could party, and then oops gave her an overdose killing her and then disposed of the body in Portugal. Could have easily paid very little to have some poor person dispose of the body.

So, did the parents keep the same rental car the whole time, from when they first came to Portugal, then left for home, then returned a month(?) later?

The whole lot of them has to have icewater flowing in their veins to keep this up after all these years. Keeping in the public eye, going on TV to judge talent shows. I can't imagine doing anything other than slinking off into the background if something like that had happened to me.

You could combine Chicago and Annie and come up with Madeline!

How is it that people are indulging these two monsters? They abandoned their 3 year old and two younger siblings to party and have been exploiting her disappearance. 12 years later a Netflix documentary is going to hinder the investigation on which millions have been thrown away. Will somebody please lock these two away forever in solitary confinement simply for the abandonment of toddlers?

[quote]Could have easily paid very little to have some poor person dispose of the body.

A babysitter would have been cheaper!

I don't really see how they are any different from Casey Anthony, except for social class.

Whatever drug they gave her to sleep was cheaper than a baby sitter. Him being a doctor it was probably free. Drinks when you are vacationing are pricey.

I've watched several YouTube stories about the McCann incident in Portugal. My conclusion is that Madeleine's death was an accident that the parents tried to cover up by disposing of her body. The parents (Gerry and Kate) felt guilty for leaving their young children alone at night while the parents spent adult time in a restaurant with their friend (adults).

The parents remind me of John and Patsy Ramsey. The dad (Gerry) looks like Bobby Flay from Food Network. The dad's body language towards the mom (Kate) is hostile and not loving. It does seem like they are receiving special treatment.

The Portuguese police quickly came to suspect the couple, who, in turn, stopped answering their questions. They would not explain why they immediately announced that Madeleine had been kidnapped yet walked out of the hotel room leaving their other two children unattended.

Someone on DL about a year or so ago on another McCann thread posted or linked to a lengthy “statement analysis” paper (where an investigator trained in analyzing word usage like other inverstgators analyze body language examine each word of an interview) examining the McCann parents interviews about Maddie’s disappearance and some of their official statements to police and reporters about that night.

I had no opinion on the case prior to reading this and just assumed that it was as likely as anything else that this cute little kid might have been targeted for kidnapping in this foreign country.

My view changed completely after reading the statement analysis of the McCanns.

I’m going to try to find a link to it to post it in this thread (maybe some of you remember it from reading the previous DL thread on the case?)

The gist of what the analyst said and pointed out using quotes from the McCann mother was that a lot of what the mom said didn’t add up, she spoke very early on about the daughter in “past tense”, and some of the language and words she used in her statements pointed to whatever happened to Maddie happening in the hotel room, with the parents knowing what happened (and being very personally upset about it) but hiding the truth from investigators.

I’ll try to find the statement analysis of the mom and post here. My impression was that Maddie died accidentally and the parents freaked out and went into survival and self/family preservation mode for themselves and their surviving kids....

I suspect that we will never know what happened and that Maddy's disappearance will always remain a mystery.

I wonder if both police forces believe that Maddy did die of an accidental overdose from her parents and believe that because it was accidental and because they have no evidence for it or any other of the possibilities, then they will just let the investigation quietly close down.

Help us Miss Marple.

God knows what was on that toy.

R146 "having icewater flowing in their veins" is called being a psychopath.

It is a trait found in some very high-stress professions, like surgeons or traders for example.

self-preservation mode for sure, let's see how long that lasts now that the two younger (also abandoned) children are teenagers.

Adolescence is always a difficult time between parents and children, now theirs must be something else.

[quote]I had no opinion on the case prior to reading this and just assumed that it was as likely as anything else that this cute little kid might have been targeted for kidnapping in this foreign country.

Typical.

It was common in this resort complex to put children to bed then head outside to dine. The McCans did nothing unusual.

Like I said, it's common for that type of tourists to be assholes.

Wow leaving under 4s alone for hours is crazy, but I think they gave her too much Benadryl and it liked her accidentally. Now they have to pretend there is a pedophile ring and Maddie is missing.

Children got in the way of their erotic lifestyle.

Maddie was 3 years old. Being left alone she was going to cry and cry and cry. Even leaving them with a strange foreign babysitter was going to freak them out. So they had to drug the kids to keep them quiet. But they fucked up as asshole doctors are going to do.

Just the fact that parents would bring toddlers on vacation with them to a foreign country seems horrifying to me. And then without old enough children to mind them when they are drinking and partying! What were they 17 year old parents? That convicts them right there for criminal abusive behavior.

Gay dad here. I know Europeans are different with their child-rearing. There was an incident in NYC a few years back where some Danes I believe left their pram with a baby outside on the sidewalk while they went into a restaurant, and it wasn't a sidewalk cafe where they had immediate access to the baby. There was a huge todo about it but the parents thought they had done nothing wrong since that was the custom where they were from. Disregarding the change in their locale aside, Europeans are probably less helicopterish than U.S. parents but there's really no way you would leave young children like the McCann kids alone like that AT ALL. They were old enough to get into a world of trouble and any sane parent, esp. two doctors, would know that.

In cases like this, I always think the simplest answer is the correct one, and there was no intruder, from a "foreign faction" or otherwise, that was responsible.

It’s not at all normal or acceptable in Britain to leave young children alone, hence why the McCanns are such hated figures here. Even people who believe she was kidnapped blame them for being negligent.

I believe the father is a pedo. Who wouldn’t mind drugging down a 3 y/o in a foreign country that is then abandoned after dark and not even think it was off at all?

A pedo.

[quote]

I believe the father is a pedo. Who wouldn’t mind drugging down a 3 y/o in a foreign country that is then abandoned after dark and not even think it was off at all? A pedo.

Eh, Casey Anthony did the same thing and is not a pedo. More likely is a narcissist.

It was a common practice to put kids to bed, wait for them to fall asleep then dine outside with adults just yards away. The McCans like other parents checked on their children every 30 minutes. Its cruel to blame the parents when they didn't do anything out of the ordinary at that time and to see how utterly wreaked they've been. Its obvious the child was targeted for abduction.

Who the hell is R169?

Jimmy Savile's ghost.

Why is Netflix centering on her? Why not Kyron Horman, or is he next?

[quote] Just the fact that parents would bring toddlers on vacation with them to a foreign country seems horrifying to me.

I agree. I also am disgusted when I see parents with their children at Walmart. It's not exactly a foreign country, but there are a lot of Mexicans and germs in Walmarts. Those poor babies have no business being in such a horrid place.

Our parents left us at home with a relative or sitter when they went on their adult vacations.

R165, I remember that case. The parents were told by people both in and outside the restaurant not to leave their child outside, but they did anyway.

[quote]Children got in the way of their erotic lifestyle.

Nah. Children ARE their erotic lifestyle.

The family car was our babysitter in the 80s.

I absolutely do NOT believe those people were checking their kids every 30 minutes. How fucking expensive IS it to hire a babysitter? Some local teenage girl or granny to sit and knit or watch TV? They had enough money for the vacation and to go out drinking every night.

I would never sign up for a rotating “check on the kids every 30 minutes” duty, and I don’t know any parent that would.

R173, are you Trump? Are you seriously suggesting all Mexicans at Walmart are child rapists?

Anyway I think it was a Benadryl overdose that did Maddie in. It can happen easily. I read a case once where one parent gave their child Benadryl but forgot to tell the other parent who then gave the toddler a second dose. That toddler died. Even though they're doctors, the McCanns were probably drunk and made a dumb mistake.

I agree that different cultures are less "helicopter parents" than Americans are. However, the McCanns were English and it probably was not within their culture to leave their young children alone at night, unattended by an adult. That's why they felt guilty (it's not acceptable in their culture) and that's why they hid Madeleine's body and covered up her accidental death.

[quote]Are you seriously suggesting all Mexicans at Walmart are child rapists?

I’m not him, but how the hell did you reach that conclusion?

I think it was parody, r179. At least I hope it was. It's getting harder to tell.

Of course not all Walmart Mexicans are rapists. Actually some are janitors. But whether they are rapists or janitors, they have germs, just like all foreigners. That's why I keep my babies at home with mama, where they can't be exposed to impurities.

R179 A "dumb mistake", that's very generous.

No it's really dumb.

Possibly also to avoid jail time for (at the very least) child endangerement and parental negligence R180, not just because they were worried about their next-door neighbours back in England.

So people felt sorry for them despite the fact that they admitted their child endangerment and parental neglect and so no charges were brought against them for that.

R24 Where was the body buried then? Therein lies the rub with that theory. The body would have been found no?

So you know where Jimmy Hoffa is, R188?

Only the McCanns or the person they gave the body to know where it is buried.

In Japan, parents let their really young kids take the train to school but they all say they would never do that outside of their country. That's why I find it sort of odd that where ever the parents came from, they parented so freely in another country. Is it a European thing because I would think that parents would be extra diligent when they were away from home.

I do, r189, but I ain’t sayin’.

[quote]there are a lot of Mexicans and germs in Walmarts

And this sneering cunt at R173 has the nerve to call others racists!

I thought they were Italians or jewish.

Let's not jump to conclusions regarding European parenting. Leaving 3 children under the age of 4 unattended is most certainly not common practice.

R195, what I'm saying is that it might be more common practice when you're in the familiarity of your own home. Leaving your children unattended in another country is something else.

The British Government organised a massive cover-up over this case from day one. The McCanns contacted the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown by phone within hours of Madalines disappearance. The British Ambassador to Portugal arrived at the resort the following day. Tony Blairs press secretary was appointed as the Mc Canns official "Spoke Person". The parents acted strangely from the beginning and refused to cooperate fully with the Portuguese authorities. They were playing tennis and jogging within a few days which made many people feel uneasy. No British newspaper has investigated this case as The MC Canns have a top Legal team ready to shoot down anyone who points a finger at them. We will never know what happened to that little girl, only two people know what went on in that apartment in Portugal.

^Was that something that any middle class Brit could do, call the prime minister to help with the cover up of the child you murdered?

Exactly who and what do the McCanns know that allow them to be so protected by many people in the government and media? Does this get complicated in ways we can't even imagine?

Let us just say the Mc Canns have connections!

Fucking hell. It's known in Portugal that the lead investigator left the case in disgust.

He wrote a book: "Truth From Lies."

r169 It is not common practice to leave 3 children unattended in a foreign country night, after night, after night whilst you have dinner with friends quite a distance from your apartment. The complex had babysitting services. The question is WHY DIDNT THEY USE IT?

Not because they couldn't afford it.

What do this couple live on today? I mean is there anyone who patronizes the MEDICAL practice of the doctor half of the couple? Does the other one work at all?

It was interesting to read upthread that MM was being disruptive at the daycare center. I wonder why.

r205 They are both working in the Medical field in the UK and are viewed as pariahs!

[quote]It was interesting to read upthread that MM was being disruptive at the daycare center. I wonder why.

She was a toddler FFS. Yeah, it's a yoooge mystery

[quote] And this sneering cunt at [R173] has the nerve to call others racists!

It is a joke in response to the frau who said she wouldn't take her children to another country. It should be obvious.

R209 I'm the 'frau' whom you responded to. And it shows your amazing stupidity, ineptitude and nastiness that people didn't get it.

Amercian dataloungers and their "knowledge" of european people and customs 🙄But yes the parents did it.

American*

208, disruptive enought that daycare was no longer an option, nor - it seems- was a sitter?

Jeeze. Don't think too hard, dear.

[[R146]]

The parents are doctors and are used to handling dead bodies. They also know how to clean up a crime scene - the key is not bleach, but hydrogen peroxide. That is why the dogs has so little to work with.

Rental car: They returned the rental after a while. The dogs hit on an out of the way spot for Maddie's corpse - like under the trunk floor where the spare tire would be. Again, just tiny area.

In the apartment, the dogs hit behind where a sofa had the been placed the night of the disappearance.

Favorite toy: You can wash and do your best, but unless you soak it in hydrogen peroxide the smell will stay. BTW, they probably kept the toy next to her dead body and then kept it as a memento. This is a strong indication the death was accidental and she was loved.

There are only two people who can tell you what happened to this child.

The only reason we used the money for that inground swimming pool and Tiki bar is to give our dead -- er-- I mean -- daughter something to come home to!

Well their behavior seems odd if they loved her. Unless they simply love themselves more and it's self preservation they're doing.

As somebody pointed out when the other two children are old enough and realize the full extent of all that has been going on it will be terribly difficult for them to deal with.

[quote] it will be terribly difficult for them to deal with.

Well, they bloody well better stifle themselves then, shouldn’t they?

Omg I remember the Danes who left their pram out on the sidewalk on second avenue in the east village. Holy crap just look right and left and you would see not to leave a baby unattended with the methy street urchins in the area.

Was it true that when the child's corpse was found, someone had tattooed the text from Urne-Buriall on her left buttock?

R214, so they moved her body out of the apartment *before* calling police? Or after? They couldn't have left the body in the boot for long in the heat. They would have had to hide the body close by. It's amazing to me that they pulled this off, but it's the only explaination.

[[R221]]

Scotland Yard's initial assessment (when they were working w/the Portuguese police) is the body was moved several times. Then the McCann's left Portugal, returned to England and the Yard began singing another tune.

Premieres this Friday, March 15.

This is going to be such a bother. Almost as much of a bother as little you-know-who.

I find the case intriguing, but too grim to watch 8 hours of on tv.

I'll be relying on you bitches to post the important stuff.

She’s fish food or thrown down a hole. They’ll never find her unless there is a confession - not happening.

R226 is right.

The ocean was close by so.

Never mind fucking up the dose and ending up killing them, who drugs a child so that they can go to a tapas restaurant?? Aside from psychopaths, that is.

I like the fact that she 'peeked in' this strange hotel room to check on them. You'd think somebody would be mortified to say this after their kid went missing. But when you are a psychopath it seems reasonable.

The parents are the strangest couple you have ever seen, and appear as cold as ice when questioned regarding her disappearance and refusal to answer many police questions.

The thing is as time goes on, people forget things, evidence gets destroyed or lost or misplaced. Witnesses die, or forget things and so any realistic prosecution of anybody becomes less and less.

[quote]who drugs a child so that they can go to a tapas restaurant??

You clearly never met this child. She could put a real damper on happy hour.

We complained many an evening to our neighbour about their child's temper tantrums.

They soon died down once we complained.

I'm watching it now.

Good contribution, r235. Glad you added to the discussion with relevant information.

She was only three. They couldn't have been that attached to her...

I've watched the whole thing. I've always been on the fence about this case but I came out of the doc thinking it was more likely she was abducted or wandered off rather than anything to do with the parents (beyond their poor judgement at leaving small children unattended).

Not sure why they are angry about about this series, it was fairly balanced and will probably do them a favour in the end.

I noticed a few things were omitted or not covered in a comprehensive way that might have put more of a slant on the parents were involved angle but overall what the documentary showed is that no one, including law enforcement, has any solid evidence of what happened to Maddy that night.

I feel that if the McCann's and the Tapas group are lying about anything it's probably that they didn't actually stick to the 30 min check cycle they claimed. Easy to do if the last few evenings passed without major incident so they got complacent and the wine was flowing. Which would explain why their various accounts of the evening don't tally up too well.

There are loads of people online who seem to have done a deep dive into this case so I'm sure all sorts of rebuttals to how the documentary was presented will pop up soon enough.

Tabloid trash to go with trashy tv:

48 questions the Mccanns didn't answer

I have to tell you, this case was a big nothing to me back in 2007. I was 30 and not into this case-

Watching the documentary and let me tell you, this is an interesting case (especially if you know nothing about it)

And the cadaver dog footage is some of the most compelling television that I have ever seen. I was on edge of my seat!!!! I still have 3 episodes left...

Such an ODD case and the couple becomes less and less likable as this goes on.

R240, wait for episodes 6 and 7. They changed my mind.

The spanish P.I. was hot...

Do British people really think leaving you kid in a room while they are nearby is ok/normal. There is no way in hell most Americans would do that.

They left the door unlocked! It's as if they wanted a stranger to abduct one of the kids.

JonBenet is giving little Maddie tap dancing lessons in heaven.

I must be extremely provincial. I used to be stressed and guilty feeling when I would visit at my neighbor's when my son was asleep as a 4 year old. It was a duplex. There was a store half a block down the street and it never crossed my mind to go when he was sleeping. I wasn't a helicopter parent, I just can't imagine being far enough away to not hear a kid if they got hurt at that age. crazy

R241, I've seen up to episode 7 and still believe they're lying. Even if they're not, they're still responsible for what happened. While there may be holes in the police case against them, there are even more holes in the story they tell.

They hired a PR specialist and went on a road show to various European capitals just weeks after she went missing. What were they hoping to achieve, one wonders.

One does wonder. Who do they know exactly that got them off the hook so immediately?

The car where the dog sniffed the former presence of a corpse was rented 25 days after the girl went missing.

GUILTY!!!

R250, you could dismiss the dog’s response to the car, but the dog also picked up the smell of blood and cadaver in the apartment where the McCanns had been staying.

Really? Who hires a PR specialist after their kid goes missing? Sounds like a Billy Wilder movie. And involving a child no less!

I guess it's a new way of parents laming a child to turn them into beggars. But here you knock them off or give easy access to kidnappers for sympathy alms.

The PR specialist is interviewed at length in the documentary.

Ive warched tonnes of stuff and one lie they told about the shutters being jimmied open..but they were intact. I think madeleine git up on the window sill as her dad spoke to a friend below. She probably fell. Dogs DID find the smell of death plus tiny blood fragments on the wall.

Blood can't be tested for age. The whole dog thing was ultimately irrelevant.

Which episode is the PR specialist interviewed in?

The PR specialist - a woman - appears in virtually every episode.

I think the Portuguese police chief was part of the abduction. He covered up another child subduction also. I also don’t believe the McCanns killed her. I work with a group called Compassionate Friends which is a support to group of caregivers whose children have died and they act exactly like people going through shock and grief.

I don't believe she was abducted. I'm looking for a kid to snatch. It's a crime of opportunity. Nothing's opportunistic about sneaking onto to tourist compound and searching for a kid who 1. Doesn't know your language and 2. Doesn't know the culture.

I'm stealing the little kid piling boxes in an alley or hanging clothes or waiting for a bus. Someone most people won't miss. Not a foreign kid who sticks out like a sore thumb.

I just watched the first 15 minutes of it, how are they going to spread this over a whole series? It is hard to watch because I feel so bad for the parents but I honestly don't know much about the case yet.

It’s good but could have definitely been shorter. Watch it!

I have only watched the first episode but what struck me as weird as the guy who volunteered to check on the McCann kids didn't even bother to look inside the bedroom

That dude is so weird! More about him in the series.

Sorry, I meant the guy that volunteered to translate for the police.

I bet the parents hate each other now but have to stay together

r265 different guy but I got a red flag when he said he lived with his mother, I have only seen the first ep. like I said

He’s definitely got a creep vibe r267.

I agree with R238. You really need to watch all of the episodes to get a fuller picture -- to the extent they provide that. But the final couple of episodes were convincing.

btw, I think Dad is hot. But never once shows bulge.

I started watching but it was after midnight. They were dining a fair distance from the room which was a few rooms up and they were across the pool getting sloshed.

And they left the door unlocked?!!! Right from the start it's a total what the fuck even if they had nothing to do with killing her. Why didn't they just leave her in a lion's den?

From the little I saw from the home movies it seems they were crazy about her.

How stupid can you get?

The amount of publicity and PR they got was astonishing and they responded to it like wannabe celebs, especially Gerry. They kept banging on and on about how Madeleine must still be alive and if anyone has her or knows where she is please tell us. I know that this is how parents whose kids have gone missing want to think but the McCanns took it to such an extreme it was obvious that what they were really trying to do was "take control of the narrative" and make sure that everyone believed the abduction theory and ignored the theory that they might have been involved. The way they never considered that she might already be dead or that she had tried to leave the room on her own always made me suspicious, but they were insistent that she was still alive. I remember thinking at the time that if anyone did kidnap her then the huge publicity her parents were creating would make it more likely that they would kill her or hide her further underground.

Exactly R272. And the assertion that Maddie had been taken from the get go. No question of her getting up to go look for her drunken parents, or sleepwalking. It was just straight up abduction without any hesitation. And then they just mooched around the resort, coming out for press conferences. Fuck, if my kid was out there somewhere I'd be on my feet searching, not retreating into a shitty hotel room. Unless they were sedated. But they didn't appear to be in their appearances.

They had a PR woman to start with but then they got in slimy Clarence Mitchell to do their propaganda for them. The other thing that makes me feel very uncomfortable with the McCanns and their backers is that even though some (although certainly not all) of the police case was flimsy and the McCanns and co. went to great efforts to discredit it, they would hype up the tiniest thing that suggested someone else might be involved and had no compunction about ruining the lives of Robert Murat or Sergey Malinka, who had nothing to do with what happened to Madeleine. Or the huge deal they made about Jane Tanner's so-called sighting of a man carrying a little girl she apparently later believed to be Madeleine. Even today, as seen in episode 6 (I think) the British millionaires, Brian and Patrick Kennedy, who were funding the McCann's private "investigation" and "search" for Madeleine, are still talking shit about Malinka.

Yeah I felt sorry for the Malinka guy. Murat did come across sort of odd but I think he genuinely just wanted to help them.

Just look at Gerry's body language - his fake laugh, blinking eyes, rubbing of the ear (all signs of lying) - when asked if they gave Madeleine any sedatives to make her sleep.

That British millionaire did a lousy job vetting the investigators they hired.

Any tests they want to do? On what?

Kate McCann is rather masculine.

R155 The cuddle toy was washed by her mom, because it had Maddy's vomit on it. Tests would have revealed the sedative her parents gave her that killed her. The twins were knocked out too.

R102 Maddy's body was taken to a Catholic Church where she cremated along with another dead person. The McCanns confessed to a priest who helped them with their deception.

The Catholic church does not cremate people. What are you talking about?

R282 Sure it does.

One of the Tapas 7, Dr. David Payne, sounds pretty twisted.

I think she drowned in the pool and hotel found her body then covered it up.

Interesting. Never heard that theory before r285.

Watched it all still convinced those face saving bastards accidentally did it and covered up. All the subsequent leads still don’t explain how the perps were able to get in and out without being detected or causing a great deal of noise. The Tapas 7 were all complicit because they were all going around “checking” each other’s kids. They all left their kids alone. Gerry McCann looks guilty as hell all the way through. Their reaction of grief and distress looks real because it is obviously they were going through their own grief/guilt. To this date the fact that Gerry was allowed to sit in on Kate’s initial interview, the support from EMBASSY/PR staff, Tony Blair etc drives me nuts!!! But hey I still watched it and will now consult the Pat Brown profile.

R276 Yes I thought his body language was very telling then too the left ear lobe at that crucial question....

R169, The parents were not only farther than "just yards away"; they were not within the sightline of the villa.

R188, Lying buried within the grounds of the Catholic Church there that the McCanns went to. Confession, contrition, and contributions can work miracles for the rich guilty.

Has any child been abducted in the vicinity since then?

Rui Pedro disappeared in 1998. He was identified as the victim of a pedo ring.

....

I still think they acxidently killed the girl with sedatives. I doubt they told all the friends. Gerry is a catholic. He likely confessed to the church and they helped dispose if the body. I just feel like the first response from the mom would not be kidnapping. you would assume the child got up and walked around. I do not buy the open window theory. that would make no sense. The door was already open. It would be lot more suspicious and take more time for an intruder to open the window and carry the child out versus going back out the open door which was not visible from the restaurant.

It wasnt intentional, it was an accident, but as medical professionals they may have felt more risk of liability and panicked. Once they sold the story it blew up. They knew the church would not talk, so they could continue the charade knowing the body would never be found.

Face it, by this time Madeline has become a street whore

The two most important points about this case are that the twins slept through all the mayhem in the apartment after Madeleine disappeared- dozens of people storming in and out, people screaming and crying. And the babies slept through it all. They were drugged. The Portuguese police noted it. They also noted Kate was regularly checking on their breathing in the midst of all the panic... while they still slept. Kate later claimed maybe the kidnapper had drugged them. Ridiculous.

All the McCanns' friends were also doctors. They were no doubt also drugging their kids so they'd get some peace and quiet. Had this been found out, all would have been struck off the medical register and been deprived of their livelihoods.

R294 Maybe those sedatives were used for something else. Maybe someone was filming their children.

I'm sorry but you can't ignore the sketches of alleged witnesses police were looking to question at that time. Yes, it could just have been a coincidence of the brothers being at the wrong beach at the wrong time, maybe they were just visiting their billionaire friend nearby (they're both on record as having flown there at that time, officially on record as being in Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3rd 2007) but the resemblance is too close for it to be outright disregarded.

If there's one thing the Catholic Church is good at, it's keeping mum.

Who are these two guys again R297?

Haven’t watched, so I have a dumb question. Was the designated “kid checker” supposed to check ALL of the children when it was their turn? How many rooms did they have to check? It would take some time to, say, check three separate rooms.

Oh, never mind. Someone’s going to scold me for not watching the doc.

They were supposed to check their own kids. Sometimes they didn't even bother to go into the bedroom, just popped in and decided "Well, I don't hear anything so it's all good."

R299 John and Tony Podesta.

They may have been having some kind of orgy party and were so out of it, by the time they came to, their daughter had overdosed or was harmed by a stranger at the party.

R303 Maybe they were high and out of it.

R304 Maybe they were there when something happened but were so high and out of it, they have no recollection of what happened.

There have been allegations that the Tapas 9 were swingers.

9?

R302 Urgh, more Catholics.

Tapas 9- Seven friends plus the McCanns

I don't suspect any of the friends were in on it. That's too many people to stay quiet for so long. Someone would have leaked by now. Those parents paid to have that girl erased.

R292 that was the most devastating part of the documentary. That poor mother going and seeing the photo of her child amongst that group knowing she would never ever find him.

You have to watch all of the episodes. As typical, they dole it out slowly.

I thought the parents were involved too, but:

The last two episodes in the series might change your opinion....

The Irish millionaire and his son are hot as fuck

All those Portuguese agents had delicious looking asses in their uniforms. Looks like they were packing heat too. Makes me wanna go do bad things in Europe.

R312, only if you're gullible.

I just don’t see how the parents could have done it. They’re creepy, but...

re 326 i think it was an accident. then they covered it up.

Everything everyone else has pointed out does it for me: Pedo ring doesn't want the younger siblings as well/instead of the oldest one who can talk? The younger twins slept through the whole thing and the aftermath, pedo ring targets rich white doctors kid and knows just when to strike when no one is around and without her making a sound, dogs hitting on the scent of a dead body on mum's clothes, rental car, apartment. It's all too much. Plus, why didn't these fucking idiots use the free childcare at the resort?

R318 exactly thank you

R318 pedo rings don't target rich kids, they're way too many poor kids whose parents don't give a shit about them, pay no attention to them or are glad to make a buck selling them.

R320 wow did you really have to sound so derisive? It's more likely that the poor parents of missing children care just as much as any other parent would, but don't have the money or power to investigate their child's disappearance

Probably another PR spin from the McCanns to cash in on human trafficking awareness. Regarding the man who was supposed to check on the children and didn't even go into the room. Ask yourself - "who benefited from that lax behavior?" The most logical explanation was: he didn't see Madeline, but didn't want to cast doubt on a fellow doctor. "I peeked in and got the feeling all was well. Oh...I was six sangrias in by that time"

Isn't there something TOO LAX about these arrangements? So many variables to account for. Compare what well-oiled machine of their PR campaign and of the Maddie fund? Who ended benefiting from the lax arrangements?

I always get Madeline McCann and Melissa MacCarthy mixed up in my head.

I wonder if psychics have weighed in on this. There are remarkable claims made about psychics aiding the police in missing child cases. This one would seem to be a perfect (and terrible) opportunity to test if there really are such gifts.

Don't they usually say something about a nearby body of water?

I've only watched the first episode but they are stretching it out, did I really need to know the history of the resort? r314 the guy in the green jumpsuit with the sniffing dog had a nine ass

R326 haven't watched it yet, but do they ever delve into the history of Kate and Gerry's relationship and their early years? That would be a lot more relevant than giving the history of the resort

I don’t give two shits about this case, but if the parents are guilty, why do they want to keep the investigation going?

Are they making money off of the publicity?

My understanding R328 is it’s the opposite. The parents were very upset this documentary was being produced and refused to participate.

That, to me, speaks volumes.

The Netflix series omitted the facts that Gerry organised a tennis tournament and Kate went jogging three days after Madeline went missing. Also how they refused a lie detector test. They telephoned Gordon Brown the British Prime Minister and the British Ambassador to Portugal arrived the following day. They had a fully functioning PR team working for them within days. They also have a top team of Lawyers ready to attack anyone who dares question what went on. There are more questions than answers to this case and even a blind man can see that they lied from day one. A very strange case and a very strange couple who have very high connections within the UK government and Police.

They can’t control the documentary so if course they don’t want any part of it. These two have been controlling this situation from day one. It’s quite astounding. Gerry just seems like an arsehole. Kate looks haunted- like she’s seeing her dead daughter. I’ve never got an anguished vibe from Gerry at all.

Got exactly the same vibe, R331. If one day we ever find out what really happened... For the cover-up to reach so high it seems there's got to be more than a drug accident... Not more in the sense that more happened in this specific case, more as to who are these people really, and especially Gerry. And the Tapas 7. It's not necessarily to do with children, but there's something. How were they covered for so long? How is this possible?

In this age of revelation that we are living through now yes they are freaking out. Rightly so.

The part with the dogs, the guy kept calling the dog back to the McCanns rental car so it seemed like he was leading the dog

I haven't seen the new series yet but the crime forums I follow say that the first episode is a dog and it is all too long and drawn out but it gets progressively better as it goes along and finishes strong. They also say there isn't any really new info but a balanced overview of possibilities overall.

They’ve made a fortune off of all this. They paid off their mortgage using money from the Find Maddie fund, it was a big scandal in the UK.

They monetised her disappearance (and used it for fame) from day one. And within weeks of her disappearance they were discussing long term future plans for it, eg what to do to mark the one year anniversary of her disappearance. That’s what first made me think they were guilty. No parent who actually believed their kid had vanished would be working on the assumption that the kid would definitely still be missing a year into the future.

The parents are horrified by the new series because even if they weren't directly the cause her disappearance and probable death (and they could be), it points out their negligence, which can't be denied. They have spent years deflecting and and controlling the narrative to gloss over that. They are losing control of the narrative now.

Wow R335 that’s outrageous. I mentioned earlier the footage of Gerry showing signed merchandise they were auctioning and I couldn’t believe how much pleasure he took from it.

Sometimes I wish we had followed their playbook.

I liked how the Tapas restaurant people wrote in the margins of the reservation book, basically saying this party of people will have unattended kids sleeping in the rooms while they partied.

...and it laid out in plain sight for all to see.

I'm sorry who wrote what R339?

It's a question of jurisdiction at this point. Which will want to sue for negligence? Algarve? Leicester? None I'd bet, this was well over 10 years ago.

R341

I have no idea if they are guilty, strange attitudes to death (like going jogging) do not mean culpability. And, for me, the biggest mystery if they were guilty is what did theydo with the body and howcome it was so successful. They were in a foreign country and their means and knowledge of the area were limited . And they also had a limited time line.

That said, they were most definitely guilty of negligence. I don’t know a country in Europe where this is acceptable behavior and it certainly is not in Portugal. Though people make mistakes i don’t remember they ever having acknowledged this guilt properly and without evasions and excuses.

I was living in the UK when this happened and the Brit tabloids turned the McCanns into STARs. Brits love it when a Brit is suspected of a crime abroad - they can't possibly be guilty! Americans do the same thing - see Amanda whatever her name was in Italy.

I don't know if Knox is guilty or not but the last thing in the world I would trust is the Italian judicial system.

Agree with R24 on Xanax. Not Amanda. You're only upset she was forced into pointing the finger at one of "your own" (her club boss). Still, they got the killer. Again, one of your own. Silly old project dwelling racist racial PREOCCUPATION troll. Back to Dlisted with your aged ass.

R55, is R24. Told ya. All about race, that one.She's alone in her delusions so you know it's her demonizing Amanda across the webs.

R139, had to pause to say that's gotta be the best argument on the Dahlia case. Didn't check the sources you mentioned. Recognize you as a fellow cold case obsessive. We rarely disagree on scenarios. We usually lock horns on motivation but it's all good. The 2nd best take would be that "queer woman doctor". The link that Elizabeth was dumped off on the very block where woman doctor's paramour & medical practice partner's bitter rival wife resided causes pause. Later on these 2 women fought it out in court. There's other factors. So what you think? Get back to us & link to thread here on Dahlia because...hijacking. Rules are rules. Don't wanna ruffle our gang's feathers. Racial preoccupation elderly troll excluded. She can go fuck off back to LSA & SandraRose. Moderators & site masters there have her ticket punched. Also Reddit/Websleuths are wise to her. Still, devil of a time shaking this geriatric time waster. Operation Race Stirrer. Like we need that after all we've all been through on this continent. Jussie's grandma, that one. DL is her only safe port left.

I don't know why the fact that the McCanns took money from the "Find Madeleine" fund to pay their mortgage doesn't get mentioned more frequently. It's extremely damning.

R139 not only did the homework assignment but went for extra credit assuring a 4.0+ GPA. Bowing. Deeply.

Direct us to your threads here, here.

Thanks

R143, OMG!

This was noticed and she said, like a creep, “it was dirty”

Makes hair go up on back of neck. Holy Fuck! Dogs not only creatures with hackles raised.

You were convinced nobody had it as bad as you. Misfortune of a mother often w/our moms. Somehow we managed to not get our selves killed or institutionalized. Counting those lucky star crumbs right about now, no? ☄

This kid didn't have a snowball's chance. Want this bitch's head on a plate!

R143-R150. BEST COMMENTARY. Obviously a veteran on this case as well. Gonna make sure nothing (my life/endeavours) gets done around here, aren't you?

5 Stars

R350, peeked as making way down. There's only so many things a soul can do w/phone in hand. Phone on throne but not in shower. Shoved off til morning. So damned riveting you DL detectives. Rival if not TOP experts on these cases. Bringing indisputable point after point in the form of a question. Pristine logical deduction tactics & strategies employed. You guys are innocently interfering in our lives. Pulling us in deeper w/every posting. Compelling cunts, you😅

Are you guys former prosecutors or something? Pro profilers? Psychics?

Where was Meghan Markle at the time?

Has that been looked into?

R183, even though "your babies" were raised in foster care & would be about mid-40s now?

Get an OCD med ⚕ from an NP for the, we're convinced, involuntary compulsive RACIAL PREOCCUPATION trolling disorder already!

🤒Malade!♿

R189, what a retort! ♢♧♢

[quote]r132 all the parents were drugging the kids at night so they could go out and party. They overdosed Madeline and she died. They would all be complicit and would all face an inquest if it got out, so they covered it up. The end.

I don't think a group of 7 people could hurriedly get their stories together and not make a slip over the ensuing years.

Plus, most people aren't professional actors, nor convincing liars. It would be very hard not to crack or give yourself away under questioning.

I mean, personally, I don't think I could pull it off.

R303, consistent, intergenerational poverty. Product of.

Agree, r358, that is why though they are not good characters i ve never been sure of the parents guilt. Even between the two itwould have been hard. This is why is such a big mystery. Whoever could have counted on their negligence?

The 2007 thread is long dead, but here's a summary I found when DL went on a "field trip" to a British tabloid site that was discussing Maddie and her parents:

[quote]A DLer playing Brenda Dickson was absolutely fucking BRILLIANT in her posts! Comments like "I could use some fresh trouser gravy right about now", suggestions that Maddie was fucking her father, and implying that only Mrs. Patsy Ramsey (formerly from Boulder, CO) could understand what drove Kate McCann "to do what she did" got those fraus in an uproar! They were freaking out, deleting her posts left, right, and center, but every time they removed any evidence of one of Brenda's posts, someone else quoted it and started the shitstorm all over again!

[quote]They got so overwrought, posters were actually threatening to trace Brenda's IP and report her to the police! (There's a phone call I'd like to hear: "Hello, police? I'd like to report someone being really mean to me in an online forum!") Not to mention all the hand-wringing and commiserating that such fucked-up accusations caused, it was awesome! I actually stayed up all night, participating in the funnery, until I was so weak with laughter (and sleep deprivation) I couldn't stay online another minute.

Fast forward to 2019 R361 and you can now report someone to the UK police for being mean online and they will come and arrest you. The McCann's and their uber fans were a decade too early.

Brains will only get you so far and luck always runs out.

Why did they take their kids on vacation in the first place, if they were just going to leave them alone in the hotel room? I don't get it. Were they just trying to pretend to be great parents? Couldn't they have just left them at home with family? And why did the dog sniff blood in the hotel room? That does not fit the theory of accidental overdose. Right?

The Podesta brothers have much to fear today.

Danish pram mom

Did anyone get a douche vibe from the millionaire businessman and his son? The son needs the shit slapped out of him.

I just started this series. Does it get better? Between the music and the narrator, it's off to a very annoying start.

It picks up a bit around ep 4 but no, it's not the most well made or riveting doc. They could have condensed it to 4/5 episodes IMO.

R366 I've witnessed a German couple leave a pram unattended in front of a building and go inside and up to the 4th fucking floor. They said it was fine because they only needed a few minutes inside. I thought they were just crazy, but I guess it was a cultural difference. I'm European too and while my upbringing wasn't quite Danish/German level stuff, I can easily see my parents leaving me in a resort room to go get sloshed. They'd at least have locked the door, though. It's the unlocked door that always gets me. Who does that? And why? Were they just too fucking lazy to use a key?

The unlocked part is so strange, R370, because other people were not stopping by to check the children. No one had to carry a ring of keys to go from room to room. The couples were checking only on their own children.

LOCK ‘EM UP!!!

R367, I was trying to figure out what kind of sofa the millionaire businessman was sitting on. It looked freakishly oversized like something out of Pee Wee's Playhouse.

I don't know if I missed it, but I watched all 8 episodes and it wasn't clear to me what happened to the millionaire. Did he get tired of spending money for nothing?

Yes, R373! That sofa is a STAR!

R373 it made me look rich!

BTW, we're offering a discount on double glazing...

Do think the millionaire and his son ever stroked to porn together?

In Europe people leave both dogs and sleeping babies outside grocery stores. Nobody steals them.

If that's true, R377, why did the McCanns immediately announce that their daughter had been abducted?

R361..where did you find my post from 2007?

You KNOW that's me. Link!

Are you my stalker..uh..I mean FAN who chases my carcass around the interwebs?

Also, link to the Dahlia & Ripper threads as well as requested the other night above^

Man, I live in infamy 😂

Five Stars R361

Well I have drank a few beers and cannot find my post. I posted that I had never followed this case when it was going on. I was 30 and had other interests.

After watching the entire series, I went from liking the parents to hating them and not believing the parents, to finding them completely not guilty.

What a ride.

Those cadaver dogs still gave me LIFE, Chile!!!!!

But ultimately, I do now think this was a child trafficking/ kindnapping....

It is quite a tale.

[quote]I don't know why the fact that the McCanns took money from the "Find Madeleine" fund to pay their mortgage doesn't get mentioned more frequently. It's extremely damning.

Well, we’re the ones who need a roof over our heads, now aren’t we?

So R361, you're the Horror Film troll, huh?

[quote]But ultimately, I do now think this was a child trafficking/ kindnapping....

Whew! Hope more people come around to your way of thinking. For my sake. Thanks, love!

Your welcome, hunty!! Loving you, GIRL!!

This bitch BE-WEAVES YOU, Chile!!!

Rock on, Mr. and Mrs. McCain!!

Yes, R361. Regarding this:

-Those cadaver dogs still gave me LIFE, Chile!!!!!

But ultimately, I do now think this was a child trafficking/ kindnapping....

It is quite a tale."

You know who else believes it was child trafficking/kidnapping?

You know who else thinks Amanda Knox was guilty?

You know who else questions the parents' inability to crumble under pressure like R360?

You know who else never thinks to question Jussie Smullet's tall tales of a southern lynching in modern day Chicago?

Dat be you, chile.

Now get TF outta here & go clean your government subsidized dirty ass & hovel.

SO FUCKING TIRED OF YOUR SUBPAR GHETTO ASS!

R385- HOLD ON HUNTY!!

HOLD DA FUCK ON, BITCH!!!

Smollett is GUILTY AS FUCK!!!! Piece of shit!!!

Don't accuse me of that, HUNTY_BITCH!!!!!

R378 because they hadn't left her in her pram outside Tesco. Obviously.

They left her in a hotel room in Portugal with an unlocked door.

If the twins had also been abducted they could have bought a vacation home in Majorca as well.

Why was it just Maddie who was taken? Why not the sleeping female twin who was surely lighter to grab and carry. And if it was a group, why didn't they take them all? I don't think this has ever been satisfactorily answered.

i think people are overlooking the obvious. Sure she was only 3 years old. but has anyone considered Madeleine McCann kidnapped herself? She owed money all over town, to KNOWN pornographers!

Because the twins were in on it.

Forget it, they're nihilists.

No doctors DONT cover up for each other. The thought that one doctor would pretend someone is alive just to cover up for another doctor is idiotic.

Do you actually know any doctors?

[quote] If that's true, [R377], why did the McCanns immediately announce that their daughter had been abducted?

Did you even watch the documentary? One of their friends said she saw a man holding sleeping blond haired child crossing the street about the same time the McCann kid could have been kidnapped. This is also later verified by a different Irish family

If they did it through accidental overdose and one or more doctors were involved, they might have needed to hide the evidence, since in the medical profession, they could have lost their licenses and their livelihood, even if it was an accidental overdose.

If it was an accidental overdose, why did the dogs find evidence of blood?

It was someone from their group who saw the man carrying the girl? I don’t think I ever knew that. Wouldn’t seeing that raise alarm bells if you knew all the kids were unattended?

R39- it was confirmed that the man carrying a sleeping child was just another British citizen carrying his sleeping child. The father matched the very vague artist sketches and the family being British explains the similar (generic) pajamas the child was wearing. I believe this came out when the British government took over the investigation and re-interviewed all the resort guests. It’s in the documentary.

They didn’t know about the other man seen carrying his own child until later though.

The minute Kate noticed Maddie was gone she immediately ran out screaming about abduction (leaving the twins alone — who leaves babies alone when they believe there is an active child abductor present?!) without even bothering to look for her. Most parents would assume the child had just gone to the bathroom or something.

Kate started out her medical career as an anesthesiologist. The film mentions this almost in passing and never hints it may be significant.

Kate also has a big case of resting bitch face. That didn’t help in all of the proceedings.

[quote]This is also later verified by a different Irish family

Puh-leeze. They were probably drunk.

The kid was abducted by a strange man and didn't wake up? Can a 3 year old sleep that soundly to be taken out of bed and taken that far? Did the parents drug the kid so she would sleep through their partying or did the kidnapper drug her?

No matter the innocence of the parents of accidental murder and the possibility of the girl being abducted the parents should have been charged with criminal abuse/neglect of a child.

That is 100% certain.

Does this documentary go into why no charges were brought against them? That's certainly is one of the most important and interesting parts of the case.

Or are the filmmakers protecting them as well under the guise of fairness? And what are their reasons?

Did Maddy even go to bed that night?

Or had her body been disposed of before the twins had gone to bed.

How did they manage to leave out so much important stuff in an 8 part documentary?

[quote] [R292] that was the most devastating part of the documentary. That poor mother going and seeing the photo of her child amongst that group knowing she would never ever find him.

I felt like this documentary had two or three really good stories embedded in it. If it had focused on one of those, it would have been compelling. Instead, the end product was an unfocused mess that served as a vehicle for that EXTREMELY ANNOYING Irish couple to sell a book. The whole thing should have been no more than three episodes. I'm in the middle of the second-to-last one, and I am not going to bother to watch the rest.

[quote] Or are the filmmakers protecting them as well under the guise of fairness? And what are their reasons?

The filmmakers do not know what they want to say. The main focus is on the theories of this Irish couple who wrote a book. The Guardian review got it right.

If the parents drugged the kids so they’d stay sleep, AND left the door unlocked AND there were notes about unattended kids at the hotel, it could easily be an abduction.

And I don’t put much stock in cadaver dogs. Maybe if they’re looking for a decomposing body. When people say that dogs can scent death within minutes, and in places where a newly dead body hasn’t been for a day, I’m skeptical. And I imagine that most hotel rooms are covered in blood traces (not to mention all the semen...).

R409, that's still a farfetched scenario for an abduction. Who compulsively visits hotels to scan for notes that might alert them to the presence of unattended children? Who would walk into an apartment assuming that the children inside wouldn't start screaming?

It would make a bit more sense if the McCanns had a practice of leaving their children unattended while they were traveling, because someone might spot that as a pattern, but did they admit to doing that?

Bitches, we're just doing our job. We point to areas where we detect scents. It's up to you to collect and process forensic evidence in those locations.

You people have been watching too much Forensic Files.

And, btw, the Portuguese detectives' asses stink to high heaven but I'm a professional so I didn't bark at their asses.

Good boy, R411.

Good boy.

I haven't watched this. My cousin did, however, and she believes that a child abduction ring targeting the child when they saw their parents on a list of people who left their kids unattended. Is this a possible scenario? She kept saying how the police were corrupt and didn't want people thinking Portugal was a bad place.

There was a list circulating of parents who left their kids unattended...what the fuck?

Did the McCanns also put their names on a list of parents who left their doors unlocked?

The Portuguese police wanted the McCanns to have a polygraph Lie Detector test as they didn't believe what they were saying, and they both refused to take it!

I watched it and found it very kind to the McCanns overall. I don’t think the timeline of the Tapas 7 has been covered enough, never mind delved into - because it doesn’t add up. There was no way that group were checking the kids as often as they say they were.

I found Gerry relentlessly cold and obnoxious, but thought Kate came across as distant and traumatised. I really think they know more than they are letting on. At the very best they are neglectful and I think the reason so many people suspect them is they have never really admitted they did wrong.

R404, it seems pretty obvious why they would not have been charged.

A couple with a kidnapped or dead child being charged for endangering that child would appear bizarre at best or cruel at worst. It would also draw attention to the fact that no one has been arrested for abduction or murder.

[quote]Kate started out her medical career as an anesthesiologist. The film mentions this almost in passing and never hints it may be significant.

She wouldn't have needed medical expertise or any prescription medicine to dose her kid. OTC Children's Benadryl does the trick to quiet down. It does it so well that there have been been plenty of deaths in daycares where lazy or frazzled caretakers overdose their charges. The only significance is that the McCanns are MDs who should have known better if they was indeed sedating her children.

Yeah they have to be crazed from trauma. They made a crushingly stupid mistake(whatever it was exactly which we will probably never know because they are incapable of admitting to it) which cost them the life of their daughter and their peace of mind forever.

So if you leave a small child in a car alone and he/she is found alive and well by a stranger who reports it to the police you can be charged with neglect? But if you return to a car and find your child is missing you're off scot free? Because oh it would be too much for a parent to handle?

That is completely idiotic.

They should have been charged with child neglect. Leaving 3 children under the age of 4 alone in a foreign country while you get shitfaced with your friends is the epitome of selfish, asshole behaviour. The tapas 7 definitely have motive to lie about their ‘checking on the kids every 10 minutes’ as surely they could all have been charged with child neglect. I don’t think they are all complicit in hiding something as sinister as a death though.

There is something that doesn’t add up regarding this case. The continued funding and involvement from the UK government, police and influencers 12 years on and with no leads is very odd. We will never find out the truth unless Kate confesses on her deathbed imo.

[quote]The only significance is that the McCanns are MDs who should have known better if they was indeed sedating her children.

Oh, dear!

I think Kate is somewhat deranged from the trauma. She'll be in something of a I don't believe this is real state for the rest of her life.

Only used a trained and licensed anesthesiologist.

R420, anyone who is not on the spectrum understands this.

Especially, in an unsolved case it looks like scapegoating.

And they no longer have a child to neglect.

No police force or judge is going to risk the backlash.

[quote] Leaving 3 children under the age of 4 alone in a foreign country while you get shitfaced with your friends is the epitome of selfish, asshole behaviour.

Children would only get in the way of our erotic lifestyle.

Does anyone else remember the part about young men hanging around the resort, who were not associated with the resort? One woman reported seeing a man at the door of the McCann apartment. It sounded like he was checking for a place to burglarize. Another man was reported to be hanging around the kids group at the beach.

I think this was just a crime of opportunity by a pedophile who was interested in little girls. I'll bet she was dead within hours of her abduction. If someone was interested in taking a child to adopt as their own, they would have taken a younger one who would not have memories of their parents.

Anybody not on the spectrum would understand the supreme idiocy and hypocrisy of parents endangering their child's welfare which results in dire consequences and then being allowed to escape any consequences for their abusive/neglectful behavior. Unless this is as common behavior in their milieu as pedophilia in Hollywood.

I just binge watched this. I have to say that after watching, I definitely believe she was abducted.

Oh, meant to add, near the McCann’s weeklong Tapas reservation there was a note stating all of their children would be alone while they were dining. This note was in plain view. I think a pedo saw an opportunity he couldn’t refuse, or someone saw a big money opportunity. I hope she’s found one day, like the Smart girl.

As Judge Judy says "If it doesn't sound right it's not true".

[quote]As Judge Judy says "If it doesn't sound right it's not true".

I think you mean, “If it doesn’t make sense it’s not true.”

Except for the twins, R425.

I get the sense that it’s mostly fraus posting in this thread.

Because it's a thread about childcare? Or lack thereof?

If it was the McCanns who gave Maddy an accidental or deliberate overdose, how did they dispose of Mad's body?

R436 That the $64000 question! And once that's answered they are cooked!

I am on episode 7 right now and these are my thoughts:

Really didn't have any preconceived notions going in and knew little about it.

The pacing of the documentary is off - they did not need eight episodes, but they also chose to focus on things that weren't very important to me (the other child missing/murder, people who lived and vacationed in the area who really brought nothing to the story, the stupid PR person's son who truly appeared biased and dumb. If they needed eight episodes, they could have spent more time debunking some of the parts of the McCann's story that just don't add up.

I found it jarring that the series seems to bend over backwards to exonerate the McCanns, but I haven't finished it yet.

I loved the Portuguese blond reporter - she was fun and actually seemed to have good instincts about the whole thing.

The McCann's behavior is unusual - definitely neglectful. If the group of Tapas 7 was having fun, eating, drinking and flirting - there is no way they would have checked every 20 minutes. That's crazy. I also see that as quite a cover for Kate if she killed her daughter accidentally hours earlier with a sedative - well if I make a point of checking every 20 minutes, then I won't appear as neglectful or guilty.

The Catholic and - surprise - British priest and his wife - spoke so glowingly of Kate and Gerry that you know they are hiding something. Why do you think Kate and Gerry made such a public display of going to church every Sunday after Maddie was gone? Gerry even said later that he is not very religious.

Kate clutching her husband's hand constantly also seemed weird. No couples do that - maybe it was a reminder they both had a secret they needed to protect. Also, her clutching the toy seemed contrived and even stranger in light of the fact the smell of death was all over the toy.

Kate did not act like a grieving Mom. She didn't cry at all until the PR person said it might be helpful (nearly a year later). She acted liked someone stricken, carrying a secret. She wasn't eating much, either - she had anorexia fuzz and her guilt was eating her up.

The thing I can't understand is they must have disposed of her body before dinner that night and done it quickly. Perhaps the church helped them cremate - accidental death - we must forgive as they confessed, etc.

The McCann's story simply is not plausible - especially since they could have availed themselves of the free childcare on the resort.

I think they definitely did it and it was likely accidental.

Oh and one other thing - wonky eye and Russian came off completely believable - I don't think they had anything to do with it. Gerry and Kate looked a lot guiltier AND they refused to be interviewed for the doc.

Does anyone have the name for the Portuguese blond reporter? A woman

Sandra Felgueiras -

Kind of loved that she was interviewed beside a thousand cosmetic items.

R441 Thanks for that, I'll look her up

I thought that Maddy woke up, and looking for her mom, wandered out the unlocked patio door.

But I watched the first two episodes. The McCanns had their kids in the resorts childcare/ child activity classes all day.

I am guessing they paid for daycare. So they had people watch their kids all day. At night they decided let their kids be alone.

Also, someone comments that the husband goes to check on his kids and thinks " wow I'm so lucky to have such great kids".

Sure is convenient he thought this and remembered to tell other people about his thoughts after his child went missing.

One thing the documentary totally failed to cover is what was the timeline for earlier that day. I think they may have noted the kids were sailing/boating earlier in the day. There was some mention of the kids being tired because of the sun and activity. What would have been greatly helpful is a timeline for the hours leading up to her "abduction." There was an offhand mention of no one had really seen Maddie for hours that afternoon. If they killed her, they needed time to come up with a cover story and get rid of her body and any other evidence.

Also, the McCanns said "why would we go away to a foreign country holiday resort to kill out daughter? It would have made far more sense to do it at home." Not when you know there are no video cameras in backwater Praia de Luz.

[quote]Also, the McCanns said "why would we go away to a foreign country holiday resort to kill out daughter? It would have made far more sense to do it at home."

Jesus. Who the fuck even thinks like that?!

TBH I think it was one of their disgusting PR people who said that. But yeah - agree.

The parents remind me a lot of the Ramseys. Very similar attack is the best form of defense attitude and trying to make themselves the victims of the incompetent and heavy handed cops rather than facing up to any awkward questions or responsibility/culpability.

Much like the Ramseys I also think they completely know what happened, but will take it to their graves. The rich and well connected sure get an easier time of things.

I agree r438. The McCanns seem devastated because they are carrying the secret of her death.

Exactly R445 R444. What a fucking bizarre thing to say.

Also, the defence "why would I do etc etc? It makes no sense" is no defence at all. It's not up to the audience to explain why. The perpetrator should know.

There was the talk of Gerry's tennis bag tote that he allegedly had on the trip but was missing on the day of the disappearance that he could have used to get her body out of the apartment. I don't know whatever became of this theory.

So the only explanations of how she left the apartment are that:

1. She wandered off herself. 2. Her parents removed her. 3. An abductor took her.

Well, R451, explanation (1) is impossible. She could not have opened and closed a door or window, nor could she have gotten very far. Explanation (3) is far-fetched. It would have required pre-planning, and you have to wonder why someone would invest time and effort planning to abduct a child who (apparently) up until the evening she disappeared was always surrounded by other people.

R434, it stalled bc of ghetto "fraus"

The kids had been left alone all week while their parents ate dinner.

She was not always surrounded by other people. Kate and Gerry had left her alone a couple nights earlier, and a neighbor said poor Maddie was wailing for mummy for two hours. Horrible parents.

Was she dead before she left the villa?

According to the documentary, there was no finding of Madeleine’s DNA in the areas the dogs identified, the rental car and hotel room near window.

I think in this case the simplest explanation is the most likely: The kid was abducted by someone(s) waiting for such an opportunity who became aware she and her siblings were left alone for hours in the evening. Kids are abducted every day, it’s not that unthinkable, sadly.

The fraus infesting this thread want to equate the parents’ negligence to murder, which is asinine. No, they shouldn’t have left the kids alone, but it doesn’t make them guilty of murder, accidental or deliberate.

I don’t buy them accidentally killing their child and then going to dinner as usual. Not plausible.

No one is saying that negligence is murder. Negligence is negligence, and the courts know this. Manslaughter and murder are not the same either, and the courts know this too.

What does the Catholic Church know?

We're not here to debate whether or not the parents were negligent or not.

There's bigger fish to fry here.

Was Maddy abducted or not. What say the evidence?

I love that type of defence. Deciding what's up for debate or not. You must be studying law.

Look we have a murder to solve missie!

^^We don’t even know that much. There’s no body.

Parents ........ Who needs 'em ?

[quote] And Gerry is hot (it had to be said)

Just... no.

There was no evidence whatsoever of a break in/forced entry.

There was no physical evidence of a stranger in the room. (though the crime scene was corrupted thanks to the McCanns).

There was DNA in the areas where the dogs alerted, but it was not a good enough sample. The DNA could have been Maddie's - not ruled out.

Kate and Gerry as medical professionals knew how to clean up a crime scene.

There would not have been blood if a child simply overdosed on a sedative.

And if the stupid woman who suddenly remembered a guy carrying a three year old away from the apartment had been doing what she was supposed to be doing (checking in on the kids), wouldn't that have rang alarm bells or at least subconsciously made you do more than "peek in" ?

Their whole story stinks to high heaven.

The McCanns are a creepy couple who raised alarm bells as soon as Madaline disappeared by there strange attitude, use of the media and the way they refused to answer basic questions by the Police. From day one people questioned their honesty. They left 3 tiny children alone in a room 10 nights in a row. Whatever the outcome of this case, they and they alone are responsible for Madalines disappearance.

[quote]wouldn't that have rang alarm bells

Oh, dear!

[quote]who raised alarm bells as soon as Madaline disappeared by there strange attitude

Oh, DEAR!

[quote]Kate and Gerry as medical professionals knew how to clean up a crime scene.

Oh, absolutely! I think that’s taught in Human Anatomy 102.

People who believe the McCanns were negligent are now ‘fraus’ lol!

'The fraus infesting this thread want to equate the parents’ negligence to murder, which is asinine. No, they shouldn’t have left the kids alone, but it doesn’t make them guilty of murder, accidental or deliberate.'

You are a 5 star asshole. With enough room to stick a fat frau up it. Their negligence makes them guilty of whatever consequences developed. Like a drunk driver who kills somebody.

I think there's something inherently undramatic about the series, due to the fact we know the case isn't solved.

I mean, how many hours to watch a mystery that ends with a giant question mark?

I watched the first episode to see if they'd made it somehow gripping. Spoiler: They haven't.

It wasn't as gripping as Making a Murderer. But that case isn't solved, either. Yes Steven Avery was convicted and is in jail - but no one really knows if he killed the woman - there are certainly doubts the filmmakers raised. But the McCanns have been "exonerated" but they also could have done it. The problem with the documentary is it has no clear point of view and it could have been effective with four to six episodes, not eight.

Frau Derangement Syndrome is a "thing"!

Nobody had to break in to abduct little Maddy. We helpfully left the door unlocked.

for those who have seen the documentary - I found the female author's voice to be grating as hell. She must have said boot in her best Canadian accent 100 times.

Yes R473 We know. And we are very sympathetic. We hope you are successful in overcoming it.

Is she still alive?

R477 it’s extremely unlikely. I hope she died a swift death rather than suffered for a long period of time. I suspect if she was abducted she was killed a long time ago and if not then the parents covered up a death.

[quote]There would not have been blood if a child simply overdosed on a sedative.

Might there be flecks of blood in vomit if the child wretched hard enough while throwing up?

r475, I agree. I think she was American who lived in Ireland full time? Whatever the case, her manner of speaking was extremely affected and annoying.

That's what I've always thought too R479, the blood was either in her vomit or she woke up disoriented and smacked into something which caused her to bleed.

[quote]she woke up disoriented and smacked into something which caused her to bleed.

Ok, I admit it, I’m going to hell. I know that.

But for some reason this made me laugh hysterically. The image it conjures up makes me laugh.

R455, there's your motivation for dosing this kid. Plain as day. Had she not been drugged & abducted, she'd scream her head off.

R470 you do not have permission to be delegating any stars

My parents let me walk to nursery school by myself on a busy street in a small town when I was aged four or five. This was late 1960s, early 1970s. One time, a policemen stopped when it was raining and gave me a ride the rest of the way (the school was about a 1/4 to a half mile from my house).

I was a smart kid and didn't think much of it until later in life - why on earth would my mother let me walk by myself to school at that age? My mom says it was a different time and she had to stay home and take care of my two year old sister.

Does it seem negligent to you or just the reality of the time?

If it was 2007 and your mother left you alone in a hotel in Portugal to party and get trashed I think I might say she was negligent.

I admit there are those who would disagree.

Those of us moving to a new English speaking county adopt a vague version of the local accent. Makes us special

God this netflix special is way longer than it should be and has little new to say. So bored, not finishing it.

I wondered if the kids were drugged by the Creche caregiver person, in cahoots with a kidnapper. Poster upstream mentioned that the day's activities prior to the disappearance are pretty vague. Talk about neglect. Take your babes to Portugal, leave them alone all day with a random hotel activities director, then leave them alone at night while you party. Fun!

yeah the Creche has hundreds of kids stay with them and they decide little Madeleine is the only one worth drugging and stealing in the past 30 years. The only child to go missing from the Creche.

No Kate - you surely can be ore inventive than that.

[quote]My parents let me walk to nursery school by myself on a busy street in a small town when I was aged four or five. This was late 1960s, early 1970s... My mom says it was a different time and she had to stay home and take care of my two year old sister.

That's what strollers were invented for. Your mom could have plopped your sister in one and walked you to school. Kids at the age of five can be easily distracted. Not a good thing around traffic. I was in kindergarten in '69 and there is no way in hell my parents would have not accompanied me and my school was only four blocks. I don't think it was until the 4th grade that I was allowed to walk by myself (I'm a female. I suspect they would have allowed a boy to go a year or two earlier, but not KG.

It's odd that any one of the theories can be "backed up" enough to make a colorable case. Makes one wonder how many innocent people have been sent to the lock up based on a bunch of coincidences. The human mind is always trying to problem solve and find patterns even where there may be none.

It's all baffling.

Kate McCann - bad nose job? She almost looks like Nannette Fabray (RIP) from some angles.

awesome documentary, I could not stop watching till the end. well done.

WHO LEAVES THEIR KID ALONE WHILE THEY GO EAT

NANNYS NOT THAT EXPENSIVE

ONLY TAKES 5 MIN FOR A PEDDY TO STEAL A KID....WEIRID

How old were the McCanns when this happened? It wasn't like they were irresponsible teen parents though it seems they acted like it.

Frau Alert at R470 . Somewhere a SAHM blog is sorely longing for your insight.

*sprays Cunt-B-Gone*

R485 Depends on where you grew up, in some more old fashioned places that was just the reality of the time. It's still the case in some places like Japan that young kinds are expected to be super independent.

It's hard to fathom 2 professional white parents fucking up like this. Certainly similar status white people will punch the ticket on conceiving this debacle with holiday time. To people of color, it's an absolute mind bender. Hence the crazy kidnapping schemes/scenarios thrown out there above. White people generally are notoriously OTT when it comes to their charges. Only to be topped @ OTT by a Tiger Mom.🎎 Let it sink in.

We’ll remember this when you go missing, R13.

R498 you can't compare the 2 societies here to this issue. Different environment. Might as well compare supervision re: an ocean to a creek.

Japan?

People were thrown for a loop that seemingly non derelict presenting white father of 2018 Chris Watts was capable. It says a lot about the people who obsessed over him long after the story died. They suffered the inability to correctly gauge Shannon & Chris. It was all a thin facade. Yet people bought it. Thought he should be studied like Ted Bundy. Hand to God, go check the threads. Myself & a few others were actually counseling these gullible fools. Pleading w/them the importance in gauging others as a life consequence. They didn't want to hear it & instead put on airs in defense of their own childhood marginal beginnings. The real deal is always gonna catch it. Not to be for these sad souls. We managed to reach 2 obsessives. The shack this cretin called home his whole life & then the icing (read in Dateline voice) that Chris Watts wasn't so white after all. About 40% indigenous Mexico white euro admix. Then & only then could it sink in to these mostly POC obsessives.

Because as is rarely the case, a white man didn't do this.

double blind, baby!

R498, Japanese parents who think nothing of letting their young kids take the train to school would never do that in a foreign country. The safety of that country is the reason they feel it possible.

R88 yep, the McCanns were linked to Gordon Brown, and in turn, JK Rowling who really drummed up support for them in the first weeks.

R88 and R504 Yes. I remember reading that too. Someone correct me if I get the details wrong, but I thought I read that one of Kate's friends (?) lived on the same street as Gordon Browns brother? That Kate was on the bed in the villa deleting messages that night, and calling the UK; family/media. While everyone else was out looking for her daughter. So the UK media knew about the 'theory of abduction' , before Kate and Gerry were even interviewed properly by the local Portuguese police. Also, the villa had been cleaned and there was no Maddie DNA anywhere, the parents said that Maddie used the twins hair and tooth brush. Who does that with kids? How can you not have DNA everywhere with kids? That Gerry flew back to the UK to get some of Maddie's DNA? As I said, please correct me if I'm not remembering this all, as it was written many years ago. Too weird with too much not adding up. (Oh, and placing empty containers around the villa days after the 'abduction' to collect money? One of their brothers had the foundation up within the week? How?)

If the surname fits, wear it you drunken Irish grifting, shanty assed, Catholic, potato eating morning-noon-&night, not even Lace.Curtain pasty fuckers!

To all of you who think the McCanns are entirely innocent go and join that billionaire and his twatish son in a grease fire

R506 Gerry McCann is from Glasgow, lol.

Psst, r497, yo lemme get some of that spray for later.

R497 Why don't you just go and fuck the McCanns you adore them so much. You clearly want to be attached to them with your tongue permanently stitched to his asshole. They made her disappear through negligence/abuse. You are so stupid it's a wonder you know how to breath.

At the end of all this...there were a series of child kidnappings in the area around that time. There were shifty guys hanging out in town during that time.

Oh and R497 take your ugly fucking razor blade misogyny and cut out your tongue with it. Do everyone that favor.

Told you I would need that shit, R497!

God you people are tirelessly ugly. As it stands your parents were the McCanns but you survived.

No one kidnapped R514 because she wasn't cute and, given the deformities, a financial burden.

[quote]r302 People were thrown that seemingly non derelict presenting white father of 2018 Chris Watts was capable. It says a lot about the people who obsessed over him long after the story died ... They thought he should be studied like Ted Bundy. Myself & a few others were actually counseling these gullible fools.

You don't know what love is!

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Chris Watts is so fucking average and proof that D/L will go crazy over any white guy. I’m surprised we haven’t had more in this thread drool over Gerry McCann.

Quiet in here bc ghetto trolls are afraid of exposure, so they won't bump a thread when they get called to task.

Cowards

TY R508. Ya can't miss it! So shanty

The shack this cretin called home his whole life & then the icing (read in Dateline voice) that 😂Gerald McCann😂 wasn't so white after all.

^as we said, 2nd example @R520.

A white man did not do this.

You McCan't miss it

R516, have no energy now. On the floor😂

[quote]r517 Chris Watts is so fucking average...

You are spreading g-damn LIES, now. And will burn in hellfire forever for it.

Our Chris only gallantly "confessed" to give those stupid inlaws "closure".

Drink on us. Round of applause for highly Mexican Chris Watts 🍸 524

Do you see it now?

R524, your photo, haunting. Especially if you look at dumb, dead eye on left. It is as though the brain isn't connected to executive faculties. That dead eye is dangerous. You can't reason with it. ANYTHING is possible for those with the neural disconnect. Dead eye giveaway..if you know better. Recognize it. And now.

I wonder what Maddy's grandparents think?

may the watts monster burn in the most tortuous section of hell where they are slowly eaten alive by their victims.

I found the Daily Mirror's old "Hunt for Maddy" forum on the Wayback Machine. I haven't found any evidence of the legendary Datalounge field trip, though.

Watching this now. All these true-crime shows are overwhelmed with scary music. I hate it.

I think their "anger" over the documentary was another plot by their hideous flacks. It completely exonerates them in the end. As mentioned upthread, there is no mention in the 8-hour doc about the hours and days leading up to Madeline's disappearance. And there's barely a mention of the fact that the poor girl was wailing in bed the previous night, intensely and for long enough for the upstairs neighbor to call the resort office. Yet the negligent parents STILL went out the next night to get drunk at the crappy resort tapas restaurant. Awful people.

There was something off about the priest and his wife. I know the theory about them hiding her body in the church seems outlandish and was dismissed. But...

R531 Yes I remember that theory about the priest and the church, that the parents had a key to the church too. Strange. I also remember reading that Gerry is a Mason, so if a Mason does something bad, as a fellow Mason, you must do what you can to protect and cover for them. Some 'rule' they have. It would explain why the UK government was involved in an instant, with officials turning up in Portugal the next day. Plus the talk of them being friends with some well known 'Frued' family member, who owned a villa not far from their villa in Portugal, but had a dubious history involving kids.. So much to consider!

I meant 'Freud' of course

Yet the negligent parents STILL went out the next night to get drunk at the crappy resort tapas restaurant. Awful people.

This is what makes no sense to me. Hire a babysitter. Or get plastered at home like the rest of us.

I agree that this was clearly a very deliberately thought out PR piece by the McCann team. They "refuse" to participate yet their head PR wench is all over the thing, as are their friends including the shady priest. And of course the Portuguese police are, in the last couple of hours, made to look like a ring of drunken satanists. Also, how are we just hearing about a series of middle class British children who while vacationing in the area woke up next to a stranger wearing a medical mask who was sexually assaulting them. Notice how those families aren't named or interviewed. Pretty transparent.

Kate laundered Maddie's beloved Cuddle Cat. The mother of a missing/murdered child would find comfort in something that has their child's smell on it. But if you've accidentally killed your child with an overdose of sedatives and the stuffed toy has your daughter's vomit, blood and sedative residue, you are going to wash it ASAP.

The shadiest thing about the whole ordeal (and that's saying a lot) is that the moment Kate saw that Madeline wasn't in her bed, she ran out of the villa screaming about "them" having "taken her." Who does that? Kids wander off all the time. No parents' first instinct would be to think there had been an abduction. On top of that, she was screaming this while running to the restaurant as her 1-year-old twins were still in the room. With a possible abductor on the premises? Of course, the documentary doesn't go into this bizarre behavior at all.

^^ And the McCanns called Sky News before calling the police.

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Was maddie cremated?

How did two middle-class Brits (doctors in the UK are generally not "rich") from very humble backgrounds have these connections to the media and political elite?

More about the McCann's visits to the church. It says that the Anglican bishop's wife gave the McCanns the key to the church.

Yes, I remember all that. Who calls the news before speaking to the police? How do you know 100% the child didn't just walk off and was hiding somewhere in the resort? They already knew she was gone, 200%. Calling media, then finding a child that's hiding, would be embarrassing. Why would you risk that unless you knew that you wouldn't be finding the child? It's all BS. Nothing makes sense. Guilty and then protected from the start.

They did that weird 'go on a holiday' and/or 'to the vatican' trips not long after too. Acting like celebrities. No distressed and traumatised parent would even think of doing something like that.

^^ Sory. It was the wife of the Anglican priest, not the church bishop who gave the McCann's the key to the church.

Weird doc. Clearly skewed in the McCann's favor. I'm torn. I recently watched a New York Times retro report about the "dingo ate my baby" woman in Australia. Turns out the dingo actually did take her baby. And I can't imagine being a distraught parent who on top of losing their kid is accused of killing her or him.

BUT, the McCann's story doesn't add up. And the media road show was bizarre. I realize it sounds very tinfoil hat-ish, but maybe there's something to the Freemason theory. Whatever happened, such a bizarre story.

I remember being on vacation with my family when I was 8 or 9 years old. My sister, who was 4 or 5 at the time, went "missing." My parents were obviously panicked and frantically looking around the resort. But the assumption of course was that she'd walked off on her own to the beach/pool whatever. I was old enough to realize that at no point did my parents assume she'd been kidnapped. This happens with kids. If you can't find them, you assume they've wandered, not been abducted. And this was in paranoid America.

BTW, turned out she'd gone to play with a toy under my parents' bed.

The biggest unanswered question here is how the man living with his mom in Prai da Luz was 33 and looked to be about 67.

There is just so much to this that doesn't make any sense.

Why on earth would you ring a UK TV station when your child had disappeared in Portugal?

Hotel desk to see if any CCTV footage or if Maddy hand wandered off on-site, local police, then local media would have been my reaction.

The whole thing is weird. I suspect that the police believe that the parents were involved, but just do not have enough physical or circumstantial evidence to prove it to the standard a jury would convict them of homicide.

R548 The police are no doubt semi-competent at best. But I can't imagine the parents of a missing child immediately thinking that and deciding to ring the British press instead. It's all so strange. Best thing to hope for is that Madeline either died very quickly or is being raised by that family mentioned toward the end of the doc who desperately wanted a kid. The other options are too grim to really contemplate.

I don't understand why the cadaver dog was dismissed. The blood sniffing dog, sure. I assume most hotel rooms, and private homes for that matter, have blood traces scattered about. But the cadaver? Yes, they're dogs, but governments and security forces use trained sniffing dogs all the time.

I remember reading the 'Gaspar statements' too, years ago. Some medical doctor couple that were either on this trip, or had travelled with the McCanns previously, that had some disturbing recollections about Gerry, and another of the male parents. Things they heard being said when in their company. Worth searching for. The story just gets weirder!

The documentary went to great lengths to draw a line between the Portuguese boy who was kidnapped and sold to a pedo ring and Madeline. It neglected to expand upon the fact that the boy was from a basically indigent family living in a Portuguese backwater. Sex traffickers do not target the children of affluent British or American tourists, or any affluent tourists for that matter.

R551, what were the disturbing recollections?

R551 It was along the lines of distasteful comments being said between Gerry and another male parent (David? Can't remember exactly) regarding Maddie. Comments being said at the dinner table, that this couple could hear. Not the sort of comments any normal parent would say. I was always surprised that these statements didn't get more exposure. This doctor couple don't come across as kooks.

There was also the comments in some reports about the McCanns looking at finding alternative care for Maddie back in the UK, giving her to some family members to raise, as they were having a hard time with her. Surprised I can remember this after so many years! Some things are just too disturbing to forget I suppose.

read this

[quote]BTW, turned out she'd gone to play with a toy under my parents' bed.

Oh, that’s hysterical. Probably wasn’t at the time, but now it is.

Fat Frau alert at R510 ! Go back to your Mommy Blog, fish.

F that. Found nearest large body of water..right off coast

Thread, don't go all LSA ghetto

R557 HOW DARE YOU! You mean to tell us you can't tell the difference from a frau & a cretin residing in a housing project. You jest. Right?

McCann's a Mason. Case closed.

[italic]Somebody, please shit in my mouth ![/italic]

R548 Sky News is broadcast internationally, I believe. There seems to be a lot of British ex-pats in Portugal, so it would make sense to contact Sky News but NOT before contacting the local police and the hotel security.

Last night I watched 2 different youtube psychics who had videos where they channeled Maddie McCann. They were very different.

This is the one that I believe makes sense based on the information that has come out over the years. It's long. If you don't want to watch the whole thing, here's a quick summary:

Maddie was feisty and talked back to her parents. Gerry was very stern and he would get really mad when Maddie sassed him. He is very controlling not only of the kids but of Kate. They were afraid of him.

Kate was the one who drugged the kids at the resort. This was a common occurence.

Maddie died from an OD. It was Gerry who carried her body away. At first Kate didn't know about this but she later found out everything and is part of the cover-up. Friends of her parents (not any of the Tapas 7), a man and a woman drove with her body in the truck to a place an hour north of the resort. Maddie did not want to reveal their names as to hurt anyone else but she said that she had been swimming with them at the hotel.

She said that the town has 3 different names in it, one being something like "Vincente" or "Vincenzo" (if I'm remembering right). She said that there are small lakes that are shaped like fingers. Her body is not in the fresh water lake but thrown in the nearby sea. Maddie said that she's not sure her body will everbeen found and there isn't much left of it anyway.

Maddie has forgiven her parents, especially her mother, but she's angry that they have not told the truth about what happened.

She watches over the twins. She feels like everyone should just let her go. Too mich time and money has been spent on looking for her instead of trying to free kids who have been aducted by pedophiles and pedo rings.

She said that it was a soul contract. She was born into this lifetime to help sex-trafficked children because her case brought attention to it. She said she had a past life as a woman in the 1930s whose young son was snatched at a market, never to be found. She never got over his disappearance and died in an insane ayslum.

Her newest incarnation is that she's a young boy in Tibet with a loving family.

The link is below. The woman on the left of the split screen has a son named erik who died. Erik speaks through a medium who is on the right side of the screen.

------ I feel that the man and woman who got rid of her body is the Anglican priest (born in Norfolk who came from Canada to the Luz church) and his wife. They were friends with relatives of the mcCanns. I had never heard of them before. I've been assuming that it was the Portuguese Catholic priest who helped the McCanns with the cover-up.

^^ I believe that the place Maddie is talking about could be the BOavsta Golf Resort or near it. It has little ponds/lakes around it and is near the sea. Both Gerry and the Anglican priest , Father Haybes, played golf there. Gerry held a dund-raiser there just a few days after Maddie went missing. The police tracked him going up there nd call it the Triangle. Gerry flew home to get Maddie's DNA from their house and when he returned, he went back up to the golf course instead of the Praia de Luz hotel.

People are irrational about the McCanns. They made a stupid choice, on holiday, with their guard down. No one can say anything that would top what they must say to themselves. That child was snatched to order, either for sex or adoption. I don't believe she is dead and I do believe she will surface someday... the next Anastasia, except with no money and good DNA testing. If she's been a sex toy she'll be shattered. If she was adopted, she may not even speak English. I do believe the mystery will be solved at some point. The Netflix series makes it pretty clear the Portuguese police fucked up the handling of the case early on.

Did you post this in prediction 2019 thread? R565? What to the psychics there think?

I found this Maddie McCann crime forum last night, too. I read through the 11 pgs post on the 10th anniversary of Maddie's disappearance. It had some interesting stuff, lots of photos, and sane posters. I'm going to read through earlier threads.

The Jill Havern forum is not sane. It's a breakaway from the English freaks who found the internet at the time of the disappearance. Half their motivation is jealousy based in class, the English curse.

Here is the other youtube psychic I watched who claims to have channeled Maddie. Her information is very different from what the mediumin R564 says Maddie told her.

This psychic says that Maddie was sold by her parents due to her unusual DNA and the mark in her eye (coloboma). The coloboma is very rare. Strangely, George Soros has the eye defect too.

So, Maddie was paraded around the hotel room by her parents in front of a group of men. Then she was given the sedative in her play tea party set in the bedroom and fell asleep. The front door was purposely left open by the McCanns. A man came and took her and drove her to a house that had other children being held in a basement ---- pedo ring. ----

Oh lord, R570. How is her DNA "unusual"?

Was it a coincidence that the Podesta brothers were in the area and staying w/ Freud's pedo grandson, Sir Clement Freud,during the time the McCanns were at Praia de Luz? Clement Freud invited the McCanns to his house in Praia de Luz after Maddie disappeared.

If the link below is a nutter publication, there is the same info in the Daily Beast.

R569 Thanks. I'll take it with a grain of salt. They jus seemed not as crazy as some of the WS posters.

^^just

R566 I believe it's Occam's Razor. The most simple explanation is that one of the McCanns killed Maddie with an OD. The night before or a few nights before, Maddie was crying for 2 hrs and looking for her mother. The McCanns didn't want their fun spoiled. They both could have lost their medical licenses. Once they started lying, they couldn't stop and they didn't want to give up their big moneymaker.

R556, please visit 🎎 R499. Just be truthful with yourself. Then scroll down to R502. Ask yourself if this systemic belief could be warping your perception.

Going w/R569 as who the hell knows who could be grabbing your IP. If you must, use some kind of vpn/proxy. Also going w/R569's astute observation of how the English social class structure provokes nothing but envy. A national character flaw if ever there was one. In life the only comparison witnessed to this unhealthy use of envy would be Australian women abroad and Italian-Americans stateside.

Natural feelings of envy provide an individual with revealing their true wishes for themselves. When envy produces feelings of wanting to hurt the object of their envy then this maladaption is classified as a sickness. You've got to allow the human emotion of envy work FOR YOU.

The English as a nation deem it acceptable to cannibalize any one higher on the totem pole. Lack of empathy dehumanizing their targets. Being born of a finer station automatically negates your feelings. You can't claim abuse. You dare not defend yourself. It's open season on the "haves".

Couldn't be more evident re: ethical laws/standards in their press & media. No wonder Prince William shuns them. He's their poster boy for CPTSD. They abused a young, sick woman. His mother. A respite for weary Wills as they focus on not only the American public (Daily Mail cherry picking American racial discord incidences) but staining the soul of import Markle.

No wonder their nation is in a world of shit. The character of the people colors the reputation of a nation. For them? Life sentence with no chance of parole. That's why they deeply despise & envy the US.

They are so fucked

R571 It wasn't said in the channeling. Maybe a DL medical person can tell us. It could be like those parents who have another child so it can be a blood marrow donor to its older sibling who may die without it.

Maybe George Soros thought he could live forever with some tissue or blood from Maddie. who knows?

I think I read that the mark in the eye has some meaning to Satanists. Pedophilia and Satanic worship are frequently intertwined.

This describes Maddie's eye defect.

Here is the layout of the McCann's hotel room.

Yes, because as Occam would observe, no one is likelier to kill their child with an OD than two doctors travelling, no doubt, with potentially lethal drugs to administer to their chid in case it spoils the fun. They are the hidingest in plain sight killers in history.

A child can OD on Benadryl. I doubt they gave their children illegal drugs. Why didn't the twins wake up during the whole ordeal? They were sedated too.

Oh great, the psychic trolls have appeared! Their contributions will be enjoyed by all.

R582, I’m glad you said it. I scroll and roll, but I can’t believe anyone takes that shit seriously. Maybe if ten independently interviewed psychics came up with identical details, I’d believe it. Phooey.

-I think I read that the mark in the eye has some meaning to Satanists. Pedophilia and Satanic worship are frequently intertwined. - R577

Well, I think I read your comment as authored by a poor, elderly person of a certain demographic.

Pedophilia & SATANISM!? Suffering from a Satanic Panic, you. Didn't we put that behind us in the 80s with persecuted daycare workers?

This cockamamie scenario of yours is fueled by your warped beliefs regarding those of the caucasian race. Whites are evil and driven by the desire to damage people of color just for the hell of it. It just kills whites to see black people with wealth. Whites are majority of pedophilia and child trafficking perpetrators. Not uncommon for white people to be members of groups who worship Satan😂

YOU, R577, are exactly the gullible demographic the Daily Mail plays like a fiddle. You're nothing but a tool to them. To be duped, manipulated & utilized into clicking & commenting on their race stirring articles. This way when they set their sky high rates for advertisements they need only produce their hit count stats as justification. Which comes off of the backs of stooges like yourself & citizens of the US.

Wake the F up!

R572, is the Daily Beast still under the tutelage of that crazy English dame?

DL seems to be obsessed with missing/dead little girls. Who's next? I can't think of any unsolved cases. I guess I could Google "unsolved cases of missing/murdered little girls."

No doubt the DL is dad-blamed rainbow coalition of free speech. Everyone is here. One particular branch of members holds dual "citizenship" with LSA. Make no mistake. There are sparkling well cut gems from this community. Especially the subject of cold case files. Should be working the expert testimony circuit. Yes, they're THAT fucking good. Leave it to a sister. Their truth sets us all free. But these particular WOC jump off U.S.S. LSA onto the nearest flotation device in search of safe DL harbor. Problem? Those loonie LSAers chase them here. The loons they bailed on are now everyone's problem. Not one to bother blocking or even FFing. Dole out WWs like they're candy. But that's not solving our problem. Time to put our moderation permissions to good use.

R586, here, I think you dropped this.....

In your search formula please add in the adjective. WHITE

Nobody gives a rat's snatch about little POC girls. When I say no one, including POC themselves. They're right in there with the rest of globular society. Not a rat's 'taint could they give.

Now why is that? Please be honest with self soul when absorbing R499.

There's your answer

Part II is waiting in the wings in case we go into overtime

R588, I thought of including the racial component, but it almost goes without saying. Even the Washington Post couldn't stir up interest in a missing little black girl a couple of years ago.

Even will follow up R499 & R588 with helping you understand why when black men afford themselves a choice in selection of mates, they'll often times reject woman of color. Reject is a victim's stance choice of word.

Even the devil worship, child trafficking evil white people delusion shared by some folks. Those people strongly believe that when it comes to white peoples' children/charges, parents are commonly OTT. But a little much too so. It's warped. Generally when an infant is born of a white mother besides the placenta, a little helicopter drone comes pre-installed. Every man wishes the best for his children. Smoke that.

Oh, R590, when decide to open your eyes and realize that black people (& other POC) are in on this..😢Full throttle. Balls to the wall! They're in deep. Painful at first. It hurts. Just like regular ole white people going about their lives learning they're being demonized by the media & SJWs. That kind of hurts.

Then you raise yourself higher. Like observing an ant colony. A beehive. Always pull out to get correct perspective. Whites & Asians are notoriously batshit OTT when it comes to their own creations. Just innately programmed into them. The lengths they will go to-making college admission headlines. Come on. Chill the fuck out, Tiger Parents. Causing anxiety neurosis in your children. Needing psych meds. Ugh enough.

But the male animal be he wolf, human, bird, lion is naturally, unconsciously (when mating for life especially) seeking the best edge he could possibly give his offspring when selecting a mate. The best chance for his charges. He wants a female with a pre-installed hovering helicopter to up kids' chances of survival.

Really, that's all it really is.

Lots of asian friends, from day one. Gonna back my R592 with this scenario you've probably come across. Maybe you weren't privy to the personal side of these white male/asian female pairings. There's white male jews, christians & others who make these couples. Personally known a boatload. In every single case the white man if flat out rejecting his mother. Full stop. Consciously & unconsciously the male seeks a mother for his children who is going to really show up. Unlike his own mother treated him.

Again, not race so much but human race. The lot of 'em.

[quote] The Netflix series omitted the facts that Gerry organised a tennis tournament and Kate went jogging three days after Madeline went missing. Also how they refused a lie detector test.

You could argue that this supports their innocence. Would guilty people do something so blatant? They would be trying to "act" devastated.

R594 That's assuming one can act. Not everyone can. Each will play to their own strengths.

R557 and R560 still haven't reached orgasm yet despite the length of this thread. Let it go boys and you'll be able to relax and stop thinking of Maddie's abuse and fat mothers.

R594 Could you play tennis and jog three days after your child went missing or would you be a total devastated emotional wreck pacing the floor waiting for any information on their whereabouts. Also, would you report them missing to Sky news before calling the police? Something very strange about all this it just does not add up.

[quote] R594 here. My point is there is no right or wrong way to behave in such an intensely stressful and nerve-wracking situation, but one would think if you faked the whole thing you would know to "act" like you are prostrate with grief and NOT play tennis.

Everything about this couple is bizarre.

R597 point has been made endlessly, because apparently the parents did not act in the way that some people expected they should they therefore killed their child and wanted to hush things up. The flaw in that argument is that they haven't stopped talking about it ever since. They could let this fade away easily but haven't, indeed every time it does fade away, as stated by others, they bring it back into the limelight again.

This whole ridiculous persecution of the parents is just a right wing Libertarian "oooo we're being edgy" thing that has run it's dull course enough already. I'll expect the hate comments and the what do you know posts imminently from the usual suspects and the armchair sleuths desperate to prove that their pathetic conspiracy theory is the correct one.