Devastating footage of terrified cancer patient, 13, accusing Michael Jackson of sexual abuse

I blame Safechuck and Wade. By lying under oath, (probably being paid off) They endangered other boys. They had their chance tp tell the truth before.

He was a very sick man.

He never got convicted because he was sadly above the law

OP'S GOING TO GET ALL THE MICHAEL JACKSON THREADS BANNED AGAIN.

KEEP IT IN ONE THREAD, YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!

Some of us would like to discuss the subject in peace, without having to repeat ourselves.

"I blame Safechuck and Wade."

Well *I* blame Michael Jackson! HE was the one who diddled little boys, and who devoted his time, brainpower, and fortune to bribing and manipulating his way to more and more pre-pubescent dick.

If he'd put a tenth of the energy he put into convincing normal people to give him access to their kids and to keep them from prosecuting later into his music, he'd have been the greatest entertainer of all time.

When did Safechuck testify under oath? Not at the 2005 trial...

High profile people like McCauley Culkin and Corey Feldman defended him, and he was acquitted. So these people just come across as grifters to many.

He looks bigger and stronger than MJJ.

Anyone who defends Michael Jackson at this point, should be sterilized. They shouldn't be allowed to have children. If they have children, take them away.

Are there any black or Asian victims that have come forward as having been his victims when they were children? Or did Jackson not care to molest to black and Asian kids?

^ He molested Emmanuel Lewis and Alfonso Ribiera, but like most of the other high profile victims like Culkin and Bret Barnes, they'll never admit it.

Michael also messed with a few of his black nephews when he still lived with his parents.

Besides, what difference does it make what race his victims were? People generally only like dating and sex with certain races (typically their own) as adults too.

Marc Shaffel worked at Neverland Entertainment, and Michael ordered him to buy Gavin and his mom one-way tickets to Brazil, which alerted authorities. The tickets were canceled and Michael held Gavin and his mom hostage at Neverland.

Never got the whole musical genius title people liked to assign to Jacko. I mean I love a few of his songs but he wasn't that good. My fave will always be Human Nature. Also liked Rock With You, Thriller, Dirty Diana, Lesbian Girl, Remember The Time and In The Closet. But the rest was pretty meh.

Gavin testified during the trial. The jurors thought he was coached.

Minors are usually coached when on trial.

By their attorneys, R15?

Because I was in a jury duty pool last year, for a child abuse case. When the prosecutor started talking about how everyone would react to a child testifying against an adult, I took the mike and said that I would expect a child to be very awkward, anxious, and forgetful, because nothing horrifies a child or teen more than having to talk to a big room full of strange adults about embarrassing or painful personal stuff. Everyone else in the jury pool went "Oh..." like they hadn't realized that.

Because yeah, a child's normal response to a strange adult asking them about sexual issues in a public adult place would be to scream "MOMMY" or "EEW NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS". So a child would probably have to be coached before they'd be able to talk to a courtroom at all.

Jay Leno, one of America's most popular and respected television personalities, gave evidence at the Michael Jackson trial yesterday, telling the court that he had been approached by the boy at the centre of the sexual molestation allegations and was suspicious of him. But Mr Leno stopped short of saying that the boy, Gavin Arvizo, and his family had asked for money.

General credibility problems with the Arvizo family

jacksonallegations 2 years ago In this article we will discuss some other events, outside of their allegations against Michael Jackson, which highlight the Arvizo family’s credibility problems. While some of the media in 2005 pretended that the information you will find in this article was irrelevant information only to undermine the Arvizo family’s credibility the fact is that the Arvizos’ allegations against Michael Jackson were based solely on the Arvizo family’s word so their credibility, propensity to lie for a financial gain and modus operandi at large is not irrelevant at all. Of course, lying in another case does not directly prove lying in the Michael Jackson case and we do not make that fallacy either. That they lied, contradicted themselves and each other, changed their stories in significant ways in this relevant case as well was already discussed in detail in the previous articles. The information that you will find in this article is only additional information to that to further put things into a perspective.

what is the point? i obviously feel badly for any victim, but the man is dead. the time to come forward has long since past. anything else is a money grab.

[quote]I blame Safechuck and Wade

Might want to lay the blame on the actual fucking pedophile, buddy.

pity no one stopped the fukin peddy from abusing them boys, wade and james were victims, how dare u belittle them. james did not testify and wade was subpoenaed.

blame the abuser not the victims , sir.

let us hope all the abusers do a class action lawsuit and take sony and the Jacksons for every penny.

the boys were u 7 and 9 when pedy jacko was eating their behinds out.

how dare u blame them in any ! way.

R18, saying that the parents are shady does NOT prove Jackson innocent. The children of shady people can be targeted by pedos, lots of people with shady backgrounds or dubious habits are the genuine victims of crime, and they have a hell of a time getting justice because they're not the mainstream's idea of a credible witness.

We're never going to know the truth and the whole truth about Jackson and those boys, because the only witnesses to these crimes would be small children and a man who is now dead.

More on what R17 implied: Leno testified in 2005 that Arvizo called him and said Leno was his "hero," which Leno said was suspicious. However, he was never asked for money.

And it seems weird he would think the "hero" comment was suspicious, when Leno was ripping MJ to shreds in monologues constantly. Seems pretty normal for that kid to be grateful to Leno, not just for calling him while he had cancer, but for calling out his abuser.

It's so much easier and more convenient to target a family desperate for cash, because they're willing to let you do things to their kids, PLUS you have a built-in alibi if things go south.

The truth is always important, R19. And why is being compensated wrong if you have been harmed?

I haven't watched the pedomentary, but Safechuck is HAWT!

[quote]Wade Robson, from left, director Dan Reed and James Safechuck pose for a portrait to promote the film Leaving Neverland

The J.C. Penney Incident

On August 27 1998, when Gavin Arvizo was only eight years old, the Arvizo family was involved in an incident at a J.C. Penney department store. The incident started with Gavin stealing two school uniforms and two school uniform pants from the store and ended with a settlement between the Arvizo family and J.C. Penney in which the store paid the family $152,200. How did Gavin’s shoplifting end up with the department store paying to the family?

According to an interview that the Arvizo kids’ father David Arvizo gave to Michael Jackson’s private investigator Scott Ross on October 27, 2004, on the day of the incident the mother Janet Arvizo applied for a job at the loss prevention unit of Oshman’s Sporting Goods Store. While she went to that store to fill out paperwork for her job application David Arvizo and their two sons, Gavin and Star, went into the neighboring J.C. Penney store. While they were shopping Gavin grabbed two school uniforms and two school uniform pants and ran out of the store with them. David ran after him, according to him to stop him, but before they reached their van they were surrounded by J.C. Penney security guards.

Janet Arvizo was exiting Oshman’s just in time to witness this and jumped in to protect her husband and two sons. There was a scuffle between Janet and the guards but David was ultimately escorted back to J.C. Penney. [1] According to Janet Arvizo’s testimony in 2005 both Janet and David were arrested and taken to jail where their mugshots were taken and they were charged with burglary, assault and battery, and petty theft, but then they were released later that day and the charges were eventually dropped by the store. [2]

According to David, upon arriving home Janet ordered him and the boys to write out their version of what happened. When they were done she took their papers and changed their stories to a version that she wanted to represent. The changed versions were returned to the children and they were required to read and study it on a daily basis. This went on for almost a year then almost a year later on July 22, 1999 the Arvizos filed a civil lawsuit against J.C. Penney for battery, false imprisonment and infliction of emotional distress. At the time no sexual assault was alleged by them. One more year later in a June 29, 2000 amendment of their complaint, however, they added sexual assault allegations as well. Janet Arvizo now claimed that a security guard fondled her breasts, squeezed her nipples 10-20 times, punched her with a closed fist, molested her in her vaginal area and she was called racial slurs. [1]

According to David Arvizo eventually Janet never worked a day at Oshman’s claiming that she was unable to work due to the injuries she allegedly got in the J.C. Penney altercation. This “loss of earnings” claim became a part of the lawsuit. David also said that Janet exploited Gavin’s illness in raising sympathy and putting J.C. Penney under pressure to settle. [1] Eventually the case was settled on September 24, 2001 with J.C. Penney paying the family $152,500.

While David Arvizo was Janet’s estranged ex-husband and a controversial character himself, and as such one could suspect an axe to grind against his ex-wife, but there is other, independent evidence and testimony to support David’s claims that Janet Arvizo lied and was very manipulative in the J.C. Penney case. Some of that evidence came out at Jackson’s 2005 trial.

In a testimony on May 24, 2005 Mary Holzer, an office manager and paralegal who worked for the Law Offices of Feldman & Rothstein that represented the Arvizos in the J.C. Penney case testified that Janet Arvizo admitted to her that she was lying about the photographs of her bruises that were used to prove her allegations against J.C. Penney. The photographs showed Janet Arvizo with bruises that she claimed she got during the altercation with the J.C. Penney guards. However, according to Holzer, Janet Arvizo admitted to her that the bruises were not caused by the J.C. Penney guards but by her own husband.

anything connected to pedo jacko is tainted with his nasty mojo/energy.

Fucking bots hired by the Jackson Estate!

Jackson should burn in everlasting hellfire for what he did in this case. He took a poor kid with cancer and gave the parents the horrific choice of letting a manipulative pedophile pay for the best treatment, or take the chance that the kid would fucking die for without the top doctors Jackson could pay for. That is serious, absolute EVIL.

For the slow crowd:

[quote] One more year later in a June 29, 2000 amendment of their complaint, however, they added sexual assault allegations as well. Janet Arvizo now claimed that a security guard fondled her breasts, squeezed her nipples 10-20 times, punched her with a closed fist, molested her in her vaginal area and she was called racial slurs. [1]

Oh, well, then your pal Michael didn't fuck little boys, R31. Glad that's settled!

On May 23, 2005 Connie Keenan, editor of the Mid Valle News, a community newspaper in the City of El Monte, testified at Michael Jackson’s trial about how Janet Arvizo manipulated her newspaper and its readers for money. She told that one day in 2000 Janet Arvizo called them and asked them to run a story about Gavin’s illness and ask their readers to donate money to him. Keenen was not sure about running the story because it was not in the profile of the paper but she eventually had an intern Christie Causer write an article about it although she was suspicious about the money Janet Arvizo claimed Gavin’s treatment cost. For example, she claimed that one chemotherapy injection cost more than $12,000. The story appeared in the newspaper and then Janet Arvizo asked them to run it for a second time because they did not raise enough money from the first article. Keenan a couple of months later called the Kaiser Permanente hospital that treated Gavin and found out that she and her readers had been “duped”, as she put it, because Gavin’s medical bills were fully covered by insurance. [12]

Janet Arvizo admitted in her testimony that all of their medical costs have been covered by insurance but she denied being aware of anyone donating money to them to cover medical expenses. When asked about that particular request that she made to the Mid Valley News for donations to cover medical bills she gave vague and elusive answers.

[quote]OP'S GOING TO GET ALL THE MICHAEL JACKSON THREADS BANNED AGAIN.

The other MJ threads were removed by Muriel because they were all posted by one wacko troll who finally got its ass banned (I hope).

Plus, you don't own DL, so STFU, Shitler.

In the article The Changing Content of the Allegations and Contradictions you could read about how Gavin initially claimed that it was his grandmother who told him that men have to masturbate because otherwise they might rape women. By the time the case went to court Gavin claimed it was Michael Jackson who told him that and when he was caught in the contradiction by Jackson’s attorney Thomas Mesereau, to get out of it Gavin claimed that both Jackson and his grandmother told him the same thing. This is important because Gavin’s story was that this was how Jackson introduced him to masturbation and the molestation. He also claimed that before Jackson introduced him to masturbation and pornography he had no idea what they were and he acted as if he was a sexually clueless little boy before Jackson allegedly corrupted him at the age of 13. However, there have been several accounts by people who knew them and other evidence which refuted this notion about the Arvizo boys.

Carol Lamere has known both Michael Jackson and the Arvizos independently for years before the Arvizos even met the singer. She used to work for Jackson as a hair stylist. Independently from that she met the Arvizos in the mid-1990’s when Janet Arvizo enrolled her kids in dancing lessons at a studio run by a friend of Lamere’s, Arlene Kennedy.

In interviews that she gave to private investigators in 2004, among other things, she stated that the Arvizo kids had serious behavioral problems before they even met Michael Jackson. Specifically she described Star Arvizo as a “horny nine year old” and told about how at that age the boy was flirting with adult women in an “unnatural manner”. She recalled an occasion in a restaurant when Star tried to pick up the waitress by offering her a $5 tip. Then Star demanded the waitress’ phone number and became vocally angered and irate when she refused, demanding his money back. Lamere also said that Star had a crush on her as well. [14]

Lamere also told that in 2000 the older sister of the Arvizo boys Davellin lived with her for a while because she did not get along with her mother. Davellin told her stories about their mother physically abusing them, forcing them to shoplift and making them tell lies – among others about their father David sexually molesting Davellin. Lamere described the Arvizo children as “trained con-artists”. [14]

Two young cousins of Michael Jackson Simone and Rijo Jackson (siblings) were often present at Neverland while the Arvizos were there in February-March 2003. At the time Rijo was 10 years old and Simone was 14. Rijo testified at Jackson’s trial in 2005 that on one occasion he stayed with Gavin and Star Arvizo in their guest unit and the Arvizo boys (who were 2-3 years older than Rijo) were watching an adult program on TV with nude women and started to masturbate under the sheets. They invited Rijo to join them but he refused and ran away. [15] Rijo also recalled hearing the Arvizo boys talk about girls all of the time. [14]

Rijo testified that he witnessed the Arvizo boys steal money and other items from the office of the house manager Jesus Salas and from a drawer where a chef kept his belongings. [15] According to Rijo, looking through drawers and paperwork is how the Arvizo boys found out the various combinations to keypad locks on doors throughout the ranch, including the wine cellar. Rijo stated that he saw the Arvizo boys frequently go to the wine cellar, although he could not tell if they were drinking because he never joined them. He also stated that Gavin and Star went to Michael Jackson’s room several times while the singer was not there [14].

Scintillating argument, R34.

I'd say the pro-MJ troll hasn't been banned since he's cut & pasting all over this thread, and I can understand someone's frustration with trying to talk about a perfectly on-topic subject on DL but not being able to because trolls keep gaming the system. Sometimes the board is borderline unusable. No one gets banned anymore.

But yeah, "you don't own DL," what a good point, you must be a lawyer.

Rijo’s sister Simone testified in 2005 that one night she witnessed Gavin and Star Arvizo steal wine from the kitchen. When Simone saw that she told them they were not allowed to do it but they told her to be quiet and not to say anything to anyone [16]. Michael Jackson was not present [14].

By the way, Rijo and Simone’s testimonies go against Gavin’s testimony in which he claimed that he had never gone to the wine cellar and drunk alcohol without Jackson being present.

Did you ever go down there and drink any alcohol without Mr. Jackson being present.

No. [17] In his testimony Gavin also claimed that before Jackson gave him wine he never drank alcohol outside of church [18].

No independent witness (ie. someone who was not a member of the Arvizo family) had ever claimed to have seen Jackson serve alcohol to minors. On the other hand, there have been witnesses who saw the Arvizo boys with alcohol and in the wine cellar while Jackson was not there.

Simone also testified that while she was in the pool one time Gavin and Star repeatedly urged her to take off her bathing suit top. When she refused “Star called me a pussy and a bitch because I wouldn’t take off my top. I called my mom and told her about it. They were really rude and wouldn’t leave me alone.” [14] Simone’s mother Peaches Jackson called Jackson’s bodyguard Chris Carter who in turn informed Michael Jackson about the incident. Michael Jackson asked Star to apologize to Simone telling him “I can’t make you, but I’m asking you to apologize.” [14] According to Simone Star did apologize but avoided her from that point forward. Simone also said that she had witnessed the Arvizo boys steal a laminated $1000 bill from Jackson’s desk in his office. [14]

By the way, Gavin also had an e-mail address with America Online, gblade2000@aol.com where his password was “Sexy”. [14]

be brief! no long novels.

Julio Avila, an employee of Michael Jackson who operated the amusement park rides at Neverland stated in a declaration that he found the Arvizo boys to be “troublemakers” and that “the boys behaved as if they owned the place” [19]. He stated that both Gavin and Star spat at him and other employees while on the rides. They would also drop their shoes from the top of the ferris wheel trying to hit park personnel. They continued to misbehave even after they were asked by several employees to stop. On one occasion the boys dangerously started a ride by themselves although they were not allowed to. While confronted about operating the machinery without adult supervision they were belligerent and sarcastic. Avila also said that he observed Star Arvizo writing the words “You suck dick” on a wall in one of the control rooms in the park. Avila stated that he also witnessed Star bringing pornographic magazines to the park and he hid them in various places, including the control box of the park stereo and on the rides. When Avila asked him where did he get the magazines from Star told him he brought them from home [19]. Another Neverland employee Maria Gomez testified on May 16, 2005 that she saw adult magazines in Star Arvizo’s backpack while she was once cleaning the guest unit where they were staying [20]. An ex-employee of Jackson Kiki Fournier testified as a prosecution witness that Star Arvizo once pulled a knife on her in the kitchen, although she considered it a joke [21].

Even testimonies by prosecution witnesses who were put on the stand to vouch for the Arvizo family’s integrity backfired at the Arvizos.

How many F&Fs do we get per day again?

[quote] I'd say the pro-MJ troll hasn't been banned since he's cut & pasting all over this thread, and I can understand someone's frustration with trying to talk about a perfectly on-topic subject on DL but not being able to because trolls keep gaming the system. Sometimes the board is borderline unusable. No one gets banned anymore.

This thread is supposed to be about Gavin. I posted facts from the trial and testimony from both the defense and the prosecution. Apparently you believe that your opinion is somehow more valuable than the facts. What’s the point of a thread about Gavin that does not include anything about the trial.

You anti MJ trolls (since we’re now using “troll” to refer to anyone with whom we disagree) are absolutely ridiculous. If you just want to hear yourself talk; you don’t need the internet for that.

dude, he paid out over 40 million bux to avoid trials for child molestation.

but ur a bot paid for by the estate/sony, so who gives a shit, u don't exist

R37 you and the Datalounge justice warriors may now returned to your regularly scheduled program of jacking off to convicted murderer Chris Watts.

You and your Jackson mafia can go back to shopping for diapers...

[quote] dude, he paid out over 40 million bux to avoid trials for child molestation. but ur a bot paid for by the estate/sony, so who gives a shit, u don't exist

Oh you don’t want to talk about Gavin and his grifter family anymore. Time to change the subject by posting misinformation and no sources.

Go ride peddy jacko's choo choo.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. Jackson had a shitload of money, but he used it all up to keep his ass from going to jail because he knew they'd shred his anus in there for all the boys he raped, drugged, and otherwise sexually assaulted. These poor kids, however, probably will have to live the rest of their lives damaged beyond repair. My foremost hope is that they haven't/won't perpetuate Jackson's cycle of pedophilia and sexual violence.

I thought everyone established Gavin and his criminal/thieving family were liars decades ago during the trial. How is he back to being semi-credible again?

AGAIN, R49, the fact that the family is dodgy doesn't prove Jackson innocent. Dodgy people and their children can be victims of crimes, same as anyone else.

If you don't understand simple logic like that, fuck off the Datalounge.

R10 asking the big questions.