British Royal Family Gossip: Part 27

This is previous Part 26.

This thread needs a little sprinkle of Dreamboat Andy to get it going on the right path.

From everyone's thoughts I am starting to think that Harry wants to follow in his mom's footsteps and be the People's Prince. And Megan is on board with this. I believe it us an attempt to be more popular than Will and Kate and overshadow them. I can see the two of them thinking this is fair and right because Harry was more popular than Wills.

Yes...Harry has always wanted to be the “People’s Prince”.

What he fails to understand is that Diana did not actually become universally adored until she died. It never occurred to anyone to call her the “People’s Princess” while she was alive.

I imagine it's Bean in his ear telling him he IS the People's Prince, it IS his birthright and he MUST act upon it because it IS what the people really want, IT IS what DIANA would have wanted for him.

What was Phil like when younger? Was he a handful for Queen Lilibet?

The scoop is R6 is that he was reprimanded for bragging about Elizabeth's sex drive to the lads at the navy base, and Dickie Mountbatten read him the riot act over it.

Princess Margaret and Antony Armstrong-Jones were a strange pair.

R6 He cheated on her plenty of times.

R2 - no, this would be Randy Andy. His boat sank a long time ago.

Prince Dreamboat Andy had much promise but then along came Fergie and it was squandered.

Dreamboat Andy has aged like a fine wine!

I hope the baby is a girl. The Earl of Dumbarton is such an unfortunate title.

Airin' out the sweaty hoohah or was the baby already too heavy last August to stand properly?

Alexandra Diana for a girl? They can call her little Lexi(e). Has that cutesy lilting blog speak sound that pretentious MEghan is fond of embracing.

The wide-legged stance is a Hollywood starlet go-to pose in front of photographers snapping shots of them at glitzy events. No physiological cause to explain Meghan's tacky spread. It is a power pose that's supposed to show confident sexuality, that's why these starlets use it so much.

Her legs look better with hose, it makes her knees look better. Odd outfit at the celebration. It looks like the shoes are suede, but the dress is a spring, summer formal. The coat material is not a good match for either the dress or the shoes. Another one of her outfits that looks much better from far away than close up.

I hate to tell you this R11, but Fergie was there panting after your dreamboat since they were adolescents. I know, it's not fair that they've known each other all their lives, but there it is.

Likely scenario in next 2-3 years. I'm sensing Phillip to be not at death's door just yet, he'll hang on for another year or two. Usually people who've lived to be that age and still driving (until recently) don't suffer steep decline e.g. dying within a year. Anyways, Prince Phillip dies within 2-3 years, QEII public duties scaled back due to frailty, Charles/ Camilla pretty much take over as unofficial King/ Queen without QEII dying. QEII lives for another 7-8 years without abdicating. Charles will be in his late-70s when he does finally become King and at that point, it will be William running the show and exerting influence both in front and back of the scene. William/ Kate will be 44/45 years-old and still in relative prime of vitality/ attractiveness. Their stock will continue to grow as King/ Queen-in-waiting. and this coincides with public interest in George who will be a preteen/ young teenager.

The Sussexes will have their profile as important royals increased briefly before their stock dips dramatically as William/ Kate take center stage so to speak, that is IF the Sussexes are still married after 7-8 years. Both Harry and Meghan will be pretty jaded by that point, propriety long gone out the window immersing in celebrity circles. Harry long realized his importance is tied to being marketed as royalty, but he goes along with it because at that point he's just as fame-hungry, calculated as Meghan. He'll likely be entangled in an affair or two by then, running around celebrity circle makes that a no-brainer, he's as faithful as his options. Harry will be middle-aged, sexual sparks long gone from marriage, and looking for excitement. Meghan by then in mid-40s will try to reinvent herself as other than feminist/ humanitarian if she hasn't already, those self-described labels long since abandoned in all but name only. Can imagine her convincing Harry to do some sort of groundbreaking reality show featuring themselves and the children. I don't put it past her, she's that thirsty.

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Patrick, Meghan is inflicting abuse upon the institution of the monarchy and the royal family by flagrantly violating protocol and convention, and behaving like a boorish grifter. R20

Awe Megs, getting the insultingest insults ever insulted ever.

Pretty good, R19, especially about the boredom/affairs for Harry.

Being the Queen of People's Hearts didnt' do Diana any good. She still lost her husband, her status, her HRH, and found her social mobility cut down, and she was 100 times the star Harry and Meghan are or ever will be. And as another poster upthread pointed out, it needed a tragic death to put Diana over the line for eternity.

People follow the power lines. By the time they're in their mid-forties, no one will give a fine flying fuck what the bald Ginge and his dumpy shrill wife think, say, or do. They'll be looking at the Cambridges, their growing children, and saying goodbye to the Queen and looking past Charles.

As I said on the previous thread, H&M can keep doing their little dance and enjoying it. They'll quickly become caricatures of themselves and tiresome, into the bargain.

It will work well enough for MM, but eventually it won't work so well for Harry.

R20 Highly misleading story. They are talking about people who use certain hashtags (Megxit etc) - but most people criticising Markle are not aware of those hashtags and don’t use them.

And the “racism” stuff is, as ever, bullshit.

From a previous story, here's the Queen's first Instagram post. A copy of a letter dated 1843 from Charles Babbage to Prince Albert. And yes, she signed her post, so you know it's official.

The overwhelming majority of comments at DM were highly offended at the speech. Especially older people who felt dismissed, but younger people as well. Remember what thhe Brits went through in the war, many of them and their kids do not see Dim and MeMe as leaders of a greatest generation.

There were comments about his drug use, how tired people are of paying taxes to support those 2 and fears of mental illness in Harry due to flashes of great anger. He does seem off, remember when he knocked the heads of the 2 little boys together last fall? It is impossible to imagine William or Catherine doing so or being so callous and indifferent to their distress.

There were a lot of comments about Harry being dumb as well and about how the 2 of them seem to want to be treated like rock stars while being quite hypocritical and sanctimonious. I imagine the speech had been written prior to the little unpleasantness at the event for Charles. Are there not people who screen their remarks? To write off the experience and value of older people, especially when his grandmother is the Queen, seems a bit tone deaf, no?

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Insufferable. Thats all I have to say about those two.

Mulroney looks “special” in a lot of photos. And her mouth is grotesque— like a hemorrhoid.

R28 She is so fucking shallow, it hurts! Meghan is so pathetic and unoriginal, shes twinning with JM.

If you judge people by the company they keep and their so-called bestie......well let's say that most Meghan fans are aghast she's even friends with this ho let alone bestie.

I wonder what Will and Kate said to each other after the press started buzzing about Mulroney's "Pippa moment" and being upstaged by their 3 year old daughter.

Likely scenario in next 2-3 years. Meghan gets a toxic case of flatulence, sprays the room. William yells at her, and Harry comes to her defense, shoving William in the chest, so hard he falls to the ground. In the process the tea things are flung to the floor. The Queen stands up to protest, but slips on a banana peel that was on the tea tray. She hits her head and goes into a coma. She's unconscious for the next 7 to 8 years. Phillip is stark raving mad and vows to kill Harry. They are kept apart by security-- easy enough since Harry has been banished to Frogmore Cottage. But then Charles has a heart attack and the family comes together. When this happens, Phillip gets his chance to exact revenge and blows Harry's brains out with a sawed-off shotgun (Meghan escapes through the tunnel back to Frogmore Cottage). Charles dies and now there's a constitutional crisis, since the Queen is not dead and the family is in disarray. Then the Queen Mother's REAL WILL is revealed and it turns out Queen Elizabeth was a bastard all along.

It could very well happen.

After attending a seance together one night in 1951, members of the Royal Family did not take prophecies about Nutmeg well.

R35 - That's the three Queens at George VI's funeral: his mother, DL Fave Queen Mary, his widow, the late Queen Mum, and the new Queen, Elizabeth II - you can just see Margaret behind the Queen Mum with her face turned the other way. Their grief is very plain - I hate to seem a wet blanket in this one instance, but . . .

Oh my. The stories about Harry's rage disorders and violent tendencies lead me to wonder.

Are we looking at foreshadowing of a murder-infanticide-suicide coming in the next season The Royal Family series?

I predict the Frogmore Cottage Bloodbath episode will get amazing ratings and send the Windsors' popularity into the stratosphere. All that black at the funeral. Two coffins with Little Prince/ss Taylor Dakota Campbell Jordan Kelly Windsor placed inside the Duchess' Batesville Promethean Gold.

THAT'S entertainment for the ages.

Flowers heaped two stories high from Windsor to Gravesend and back.

Take THAT, Diana.

They always manage to look deftly in sync with nary the desperate grasp nor clutch in sight.

Someone want to send this into a powerpoint to Dimwit and his Kartrashian? (Slip it into one of her stupid binders)

R36, did you somehow think the DL does not know precisely the scene of the photograph.

And did you know you are not actually a wet blanket?

Because you're just a garden-variety, tiresome cunt.

Please stand downwind. Your noxious faux-moralizing has no place in this thread. Or are you completely, rather than substantially, thick?

R34 - That was fun!

At the Charles investiture event, it was clear William put Kate on the other side of him, so now he was a buffer between Kate and Meghan. Maybe he is tired of Kate being exploited by Meghan, and maybe he regrets agreeing to the Xmas Happy Families walk, where Kate was made to do the brunt of being "nice" to the Harkles.

I am still very surprised that there have been no blinds from Meghan about how she and William really get on, that William - let's see "respects her and admires her energy" (read, is attracted to her and intrigued that she's sophisticated, outspoken and wordly, like his old girlfriend, Bella Musgrove. Unlike his homebody wife, Kate. Let's see how she would have this phrased to make it seem like it is up to MEGHAN that nothing would happen, not Will, and not Will's love for Kate. Oh, ok, but of course, Wills and Meghan are only good friends - Meghan has eyes only for her husband. She deeply respects Will's commitment to his family. They enjoy each other's company, but that's it!

There is no way this wasn't floated, but maybe even Meghan was afraid of what Will would do if she tried. As it is, some of Smeggy's Sugars decided that Meghan was Will's secret mistress and Harry married Meghan to cover it up. I shit you not, that is out there.

R39 - What an overheated response. Hot flashes dear? You are blocked until your endocrine system rights itself.

P.S. Not every DL participant on these threads knows every last bit of Windsor history.

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From the previous thread, I believe the report that pre-Meghan, Will almost had Harry kicked out of KP because Harry kept showing up drunk in front of the children. And I believe the other description, that Harry is an empty vessel with no passions and no talents, so he goes with the wind. He's an addict, too - alcohol, and whatever his drugs of choice.

Harry was a famous dim bulb. The BRF spent a ton of money and energy turning that around - he's not academic, he's not an intellect - because he's a man of ACTION. His talent is with manly ACTIVE things, rough and tumble, physical, and machines! Apparently they expected the military to occupy Harry until he was into his forties, but Harry quit in pique, because he didn't want to take the written test to become a major. He knew he'd fail. Maybe he thought he should get a bye. There were the Invictus games, which gave him great press and made him pseudo military even after he'd left the service, but we all know the grunt work was done by others. Now even his action man /military/I love the vets persona is in the crapper. Apparently he blew off 95% of the Invictus prep, showed up for the applause and to boot insisted his wife get to make a speech. So much for that.

Back to the drunk thing. Meghan is not the problem. Once he was engaged, it was rumored - more rumors that I believe - that Harry had been wife shopping in the celebrity world for some time. Coming up empty because he had been aiming too high (no true A-lister in her own right is going to marry Harry freaking Wales (or Windsor) , and besides he's a drunk. I am pretty sure Cressida was never that into him, put in her two years in order to raise her profile. Mission accomplished, she parlayed her name recognition into opportunities she would not have had if she hadn't dated Harry. But that was never going to happen.

So anyway, when Harry - the Harry his family knows all too well - is like, guess what, I'm getting married. She's 37, has a cable show, is whip-smart - and biracial - American, and super into sustainability, animal rescue and food! His family was probably oh Jesus. Whip smart? What's she doing with Harry? With the shape Harry was in, any woman who wanted to marry him was going to be bad news, and a user, and his family probably knew it even before they met her. If she was great - why would she want to marry Harry?

BUT, bet they were like most cynics - ok, this woman is aging out of her hot girl acting category, family has zero money, she seems incredibly excited to be with Harry. She's looking for a soft landing and thinks she's hit the jackpot, which, for her, she did. But I bet they thought she was willing to do the job in exchange for the security and prestige. She might have some overly-glittery ideas about tiaras, speeches, royal entrances exiting a limo, and we'll have to show her the more mundane ropes, but we'll start them off slow. They were probably dubious about Harry and Meghan's emotional and marital sustainability in their personal lives, but made the assumption Meghan truly intended to go all in on the royal thing.

I could see it that way, R44, but their faces at the wedding looked like they were witnesses to his execution.

I did not watch but have a question for those who did. An acquaintance tells me that the pastor said something about fidelity and the guests in the chapel burst out laughing. True?

Harry is a drunk, addict and likely mentally ill as well. He looked unhappy wand withdrawn as a boy, he looks unhappy and prone to raging as a man. She plays him like a fiddle. I cannot imagine a good end.

[quote]Harry is a drunk, addict and likely mentally ill as well.

Oh, come on. That is so unfair. Ridiculous hyperbole. I'm no fan of his and I deplore her, but come on... exaggerate much?

R44, good post. I can see them willing to give her the benefit of the doubt up until the proposal. Her behavior has been much worse than what most people expected. I expected she might leverage her position to get into events and meet people, but I thought she'd do it more behind the scenes. I know, that was naive.

Lots of alcoholism in his family and his mother had significant psychiatric problems. The RF had her getting psychiatric care right after the honeymoon. Harry and his drunken antics and his coke use are well known in the UK, R46. Why do you think he has gotten to his age with so little to show for it? Treats relationships of long standing as disposable? Why did he have so few prospects among women in his set? Sure he is some poor misunderstood Peter Pan, riiiiiiight.

R46, I don't think it's hyperbole at all. I think it's very obvious. The guy has no direction. He's in his mid-thirties. Look at the woman he married - she is a symptom, and he's become her. He's completely malleable by her. There is something behind Harry's behavior and his aimlessness (and his temper) and considering past is often precedent, alcohol and drugs are what it was in the past, and what it likely is now. I don't for one second believe the BRF took him to a two hour scared straight session because he tried marijuana or heavens to Betsey, was thinking of trying it. The guy has hard core problems.

AND I think his addiction problems are a component with significant mental and personality disorders.

R47 - not naive at all. I don't think anybody would have guessed her complete and total lack of interest in the BRF, how it's all self self self, and how shameless she is. Nobody. Even those who first got an inkling at the engagement interview and thought, "Hmmmmm." figured she'd just be a phony at worst. The behavior, I don't think anybody could have predicted.

R43, yes, definitely the faces at the wedding looked like they were witnessing his execution. There's even an angle where a friend of his turns his head away when the "I take thees" begin. I mean, a truly tragic feeling head turn. Everyone had their heads down and eyes averted, everyone had funeral faces on. BUT, this could be because they thought that she was phony (doesn't take a rocket scientist), thought he was rushing into something he was in no way ready for - Harry isn't ready for adulthood, let alone marriage and fatherhood, and that she was a piece of work who would make him quickly miserable or lead him to no good end. And of course, by the time the wedding happened, Meghan's behavior re the tiara and vis a vis Charlotte had gotten around to everyone in the family, we can be positive about that one.

So worst case, a bitch behind the scenes and a phony in the family. And Harry buying into the phony because he's trying to force the next step in his life instead of earning his way there, so to speak. That could be what they thought they had. But someone pretty much publicly pissing on the entire royal thing in front of other royals, including the queen (remember when Meghan turned her back) - don't think they imagined that.

R33, never mind that, i want to know what Camilla said to Kate. She was giving Kate the meaningful eyes like nobody's business during the wedding while Kate desperately tried to keep her facial expression composed and not come off like she and Camilla were having a gossipy tete a tete during the ceremony. Camilla, OTOH, gave no fucks.

R46 I would have had the same reaction a few years ago but now that I think about it I can see the case for it .

Since a few years ago he finally said that he was addressing his mental health issues. Then he married a person who at the worst has obvious signs of NPD and at best marrying her is his way of trying to recreate and settle his parent's marriage. Also if it is NPD then someone with NPD can trick anyone but it is more likely to work on someone with mental health issues.

He did have issues with alcohol as a teen even though most of that wasn't allowed to be printed in the British Press but we eventually saw some of it through the US press. The assumption right now is that he still has issues with alcohol which lets be honest it's a problem in most of the world but especially in the commonwealth having issues with alcohol is almost a rite of passage.

As for the drugs we know from PR from Charles's camp that Harry did have some issue with drugs that they used to spin into a tale of how good of a father Charles is. It's just a question of whether or not he stopped or not. Less evidence of his drug use than his alcohol use but I think it's totally possible that he didn't stop.

He is disheveled so much of the time and has slagged off family and friends - you know, like everyone who uses does.

The knocking the heads of the 2 little boys together was both bizarre and cruel and he did not even seem to notice that hurt them and they were confused. That was a daytime, public event. Imagine what he is like behind closed doors?

That poor baby.

Birds of a feather get loaded together. He was not even bright enough to stick it out.

Where is that pre-marriage photo of Nutmeg at some sporting event with her makeup all smeared down her face, crazy hair, and looking totally loaded? I can’t find it.

An NPD can't fool everybody, that is a myth, or it is NPD victims trying to rationalize why they fell for it Bottom line, they are susceptible to getting their vanity and ego stoked with the you are so wonderful and fascinating b.s. that is the NPD MO.

The only mental health issues Harry admitted to was bottled up grief over his mother's death. Only cried twice and all that. Didn't acknowledge any others, although they're screaming at us.

I think that may have been at IG in Toronto. Marcus and Doria were also on hand. Harry was clearly the mark.

This set, R57?

What's this about Harry knocking 2 boys heads together? Any photos/ videos?

I think Harry felt abandoned by William when he married Kate. Growing up, William was probably much more of a touchstone for Harry than Charles. For a while they banded together and set up their own operation at KP. But then the kids came, William began to seriously assume his role and gradually self-pitying Harry felt rejected and alone.

Harry probably resents HM and Charles for Diana, but feels truly hurt by William. That is why he is so competitive regarding MM. In his addled, fanatical mind he thinks him and MM are winning some sort of popularity war. Does anyone have to wonder why William latched on to Kate and the stable Middletons and keeps the RF at arms length?

R58 The ego stroke is only the first part of it, what they usually do is build you up and then tear you down and then build you up again. And they mirror people's interests so well that they are good at making shallow friendships. I think a lot of the idea that anyone can be fooled by NPD is mostly just victims deflecting but I also think people with NPD do fool most people at first because they seem normal. So it's more accurate to say that most people can be fooled at first meeting but if you don't spot them within a few more meetings then that's a sign that there is an issue with you.

Sometimes the issue with people who fall for narcs easily is that one or both of there parents were narcs. When you are raised by a narc, you think it's normal. Your self esteem is nonexistent. It takes much longer for it to register that the narc your seeing is bad.

Apropos of nothing, it occurred to me why she is wearing that stupid Panama hat in so many of her pre-royal pics. It was her lazy way to keep her wig in place and not have to style it.

One of the characteristics of NPD is superficial charm.

When you first meet them, they befriend you very quickly. They’re attentive, interested and complimentary. They make promises and plans & you feel like you’ve known them all your life.

But it is truly superficial. If you are of no particular use to them, the promises & plans come to nothing. You simply cease to exist to them. In actuality, you never really existed for them at all, except in terms of being temporary fodder for their narcissistic supply. They charmed you because they needed to see themselves reflected in your admiration in that moment.

Markle is quite bright, seemingly well read, articulate, engaged and engaging. That’s what’s gotten her to where she is. But it’s superficial & artificial and that will be her downfall. It’s impossible not to see through a person with NPD because their vanity and insincerity becomes quickly evident.

The BRF can get all the NDAs they like, but these aren’t worth a fraction of what real loyalty is. If the palace is filled with people who detest her (and I think it is) we’ll hear about it sooner or later - and without violating the “never complain, never explain” rule, there’s not much she can do about it.

Is the name 'Mary' a possibility for the kid if it's a girl? Or is it on the no-no list for whatever reason?

Yes, R60!

Thank you!

R36, Queen Mary, never very demonstrative, looks shell-shocked in that photo. And the Queen Mum looks so distraught. Was it a real love match for her? I recall reading that she actually set her sights on his brother first, which is why she loathed the Duchess of Windsor so much.

So it seems Prince Shit-Fer-Brains bunked at the local Soho House on his foray in Berlin solo. Anyone surprised? Nobody?

What a waste. Really.

I understand that member of the RF, especially those that are direct heirs to the throne, have their lives mapped out for them, regardless of their own dreams or ambitions.

But Harry has known for most of his life that his destiny, barring catastrophe, is not to be a direct heir.

There is nothing to stop him or someone in a similar situation from getting a proper education. Select a field of study and learn all he could. He has resources that others could only dream of but chooses to live his life as a wastrel.

What a waste.

I remember reading somewhere that Cary Grant felt that constant learning was something that helped to keep him young. He would take up a new field of interest every year - whether a new language or astronomy or gardening or whatever.

Having no worries about the basic needs that most everyone else must consider, Harry could use his time and his life to become better educated, to pursue some new learning.

Instead, look at the life he has chosen.

What a waste.

He’s not very bright r71. Learning is probably not something that interests him.

R45 "I did not watch but have a question for those who did. An acquaintance tells me that the pastor said something about fidelity and the guests in the chapel burst out laughing. True?"

Yes that is absolutely true. No one mentions it at all because the media have silenced that aspect in reruns etc. ppl who watched it live time can attest. I thought it was weird and funny when it happened. I wish i can find an unedited version. I remember my bf and i looking at each other like wtf!? Did that just happen. Really really strange moment on top of other moments. Btw the laughter erupted when Harry said the line.

R73 What I meant to say the laughing happened when Harry recited the fidelity part of his vows. Im so happy someone else recalls this. It has been wiped clean from history and with time it will come across as a bs conspiracy rumor because there is no visual or audio evidence of it after the live viewing. But, there are ppl like me who clearly remember that.

R74, There are several videos on Youtube of the full ceremony.

If you remember when it was in the ceremony, perhaps you can find it on of the those.

R74 As I said , the laughing part has been scrubbed. It was during Harry's vows.

R76

Yes it is on YT

The giggles are at 3:00 in the video above.

Sounds like someone said something funny and they're reacting to that, no?

Suuuurrre it is....

[quote]I know a nanny who works in central London for a very, very rich (but not famous) family. She told me that William threatened to have Harry thrown out of KP a few years ago because he kept showing up drunk in front of the children.

I find this intriguing. Does the poster have any more information about the occasions he behaved this way? At family get-togethers (does the family have Sunday roasts together?) or did he just show up at the Cambridges' after a night of clubbing or drinking? If it's the latter, it would seem that Harry would really have to go out of his way to do it. Nottingham Cottage is on the other side of the KP complex. It looks like it's a city block away. Did he get drunk and angry and decide to go harass them?

I noticed there were no photos of Harry with the Cambridge kids and was surprised because there are so many of him with African children.

So, is Sparkle: (1) crazy, (2) an evil genius, or (3) just plain stupid/clueless?

I get a crazy vibe from her, but Im starting to think she could also just be deeply clueless. Like “no manners, no social skills” clueless.

Sure, she seems to know how to “network.” But that’s not the same as having emotional intelligence and basic manners.

Learning about Harry's drink and drug problem makes everything fall into place. Megs certainly was into the drugs too trying to keep up her preying mantis figure and plotting to save the world 23 hours a day.

To the PR who indignantly chastised me 40 threads ago when I brought up rehab rumors -- whoops, everybody knows now hun.

R81:Someone who worked at BP went on record not that long ago about Harry sneaking women into the palace for skinny dipping sessions, amongst other things. Yet you think it’s a stretch to believe he could ever have shown up pissed in front of the Cambridge children at KP?

And Nott Cott is about a 3 minute walk (if that) from 1A. Of course it’s not a “city block” away, you tool.

I can see Markle making her way through the world just fine, no matter how this all shakes out. She's enterprising, fairly intelligent, and has vast reserves of energy to spend on pursuing her tawdry dreams. Harry, on the other hand, could easily turn into a alcoholic who does nothing whatsoever with his life, and maybe we're seeing the beginnings of that with him.

*an* alcoholic...

So the Queen has appointed Meghan to the very prestigious role as Vice President of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust. The same news articles are all pointing out that the Queen is about to do her first joint engagement with Kate in seven years (their last joint engagement was March 2012).

Why does the Queen keep lavishing attention and praise onto Meghan? Why does she snub Kate so completely? It can't just be their respective work ethics/lack of work ethic.

This is how they deal with the problems, more attention, repackaging, etc.

Because the Queen hates white people!

Yes, Sparkles can try to enter the Holllywood world she so desperately longs for, I guess. Or international politics, lots of leg spreading she could do there. Looking at 50 years old with an adolescent on hand she can merch off of is another possibility. So there's three suggestions for a talentless mentally ill narc post BRF.

R88 Some publications are stating that Harry gave her the role.

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Will we get to hear the empowering speech written by the speechiest speecher ever?

She looks like a pregnant whore.

It's true Uncle Harry comported himself poorly in front of the male HRHs and myself. Channelling my Queen, I sought to wear a brooch that might offend and thus repel him. Unfortunately, I have not yet come into any jewellery of note, so I had to content myself with a handmade button that read "4th in line. And you are...?"

He walked in front of George a few times and couldn't find him again, then left.

Oh, R96, you make me so happy.

"...and you are...?"

The arrogance of Meghan Markle thinking she’s worthy of a space next to genuinely achieving women.

She rose to prominence for getting married.

Cunt.

ITA, R98. But she merely regards it as networking, and being savvy and enterprising. She's trying to polish that turd to a high gloss, honey.

People on cb are saying this means the queen loves meghan and hates will and Kate and basically how she should rule the royal family. Oh and apparently Kate is only doing her next engagements because William threw a tantrum.

Harry doesn't have the authority to appoint people to Vice President of the QUEEN'S Trust. Only the Queen does.

She and Meghan obviously get on perfectly well. All the gumpf is just tedious hater nonsense from conspiracy theory-obsessed racists and Tumblr fraus.

Well, R100, you're always going to have ignorant asshats who insist on putting lipstick on a badly-behaved pig.

Of course he has the authority, you ignorant prat.

R101 Harry is president, so presumably has some sway when it comes to appointing the VP

R101, he is the president, of course he has the authority. Neither am I an obsessed racist or a Tumblr Frau. You wold, indeed, get a shock if you knew whom was behind the side of this screen. And it is neither of your assumptions.

Your composition isn't great. You can't afford to take some writing classes, whoever you are?

Oh, so......she once again got a position because she spread her legs for a man? Makes sense. And on Women's Day too.

@106 in my experience, plenty of important people seem incapable of composing coherent text messages, let alone full sentences. Presumably because their everyday correspondence is handled by minions.

True, R108. A lot of important people are stupid.

R106 Poor sentence composition is infinitely preferable to poor reasoning & logic skills.

Oooooh. The voice of Orson Welles!

Ladies and gentlemen, I am here today on behalf of our President, who is in Germany scoring drugs, to introduce you to our new hugely important VP.! Fresh from her $500,000 baby shower, she will endeavor to encourage a more diverse group of the lower classes in the most pedantic and shallow way she can muster up. So here she is now, behind door #3, America's Suitcase Girl, The Duchess of Frogmore Palace!! Put your hands together! Everybody come on!

LOL R 112

Wow. There are some highly intelligent, clever life forms on DL. Who knew?

So she wore a minidress, hooker heels, and her trademark “10 guys just fucked my face!” hairdo to a women’s empowerment event?

Meghan's appointment as the VP of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust is, contrary to what the fraus on CB are trumpeting, about as meaningless as her being given the patronage of the National Theatre - she made one low-key appearance there and then disappeared and nobody cared. As Harry has more more less been shunted off the Commonwealth share of the patronage pie, it's hardly surprising that they tacked Meghan on. They're probably hoping the two will spend as much time in the Commonwealth and as little time in Britain as possible.

Her hair, as usual, is a mess, her dress is too short, and, as usual, she has to bring attention back to her personal life.

And if anyone knows how to include "men and boys" into a woman's reach for "empowerment", it's Meghan Markle.

I don’t think I’d want to sit on a stage at 8 months pregnant in a minidress riding up to my crotch. Especially with cameras everywhere.

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That outfit would have been cute if the dress were about 6 inches longer.

Yeah, when she sits down you can see London, France, and East L.A.

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"I'd seen this documentary on Netflix on feminism and one of the things they said during pregnancy was, "I feel the embryonic licking of feminism," Markle said. "I love that. So boy or girl or whatever it is, we hope that that's the case, our little nump."

--M.M., about me

R121 You’re a bit late to the party. That was posted yesterday. And, as was pointed out, it’s meaningless. It’s referring to the use of specific hashtags which only a very few people use.

Clearly it’s not the case that only 20 people dislike Markle on Twitter.

Fergie's got a whole new brow game going on.

"So boy or girl or whatever it is"

Well, if not a boy or girl, what else could it be?

The DM has some photos of her posing with other attendees at the event. She's always standing in the center of the photo, with hand on bump.

R124, wow. it's hard for redheads, though. Often their eyebrows are white...or strawberry blond...and can't be seen in photographs. By now, hers should probably be partially (if not completely) gray. A light brown color would make them more more visible, but not overwhelming. Once you've dyed them, I don't think you can dye over the color again if you're unhappy with how they look. All you can do is wait a few months for them to fall out and be replaced naturally at their own pace.

Meghan Markle is pregnant and has been married into the RF, an institution led by a woman who has shown every propensity to hope things get better, hope things get better, hope things get better (i.e. instead of confronting the issue head-on). They are also, in this instance, not just dealing with a single rogue factor (like they were with Diana). They're dealing with Harry, who has from the beginning of his relationship with Meghan - the unprecedented telling-off of the UK media - shown himself more than willing to publicly throw his weight around in her noble defense.

It is perfectly believable to me that the RF and the grey men could be both horrified by the People shenanigans, the baby shower, the weird independent PR effort (and all the troubling little signs that MM was perhaps not the beautiful, selfless world-saver that have been there from almost the beginning) etc. and at the same time very, very eager to bring Meghan into the fold and keep her there. Trying to do this gently and without any hint of reproach is actually the smart play here, at this point. This is still an eminently save-able situation. She hasn't been waltzing around in front of pre-phoned paps in eye-wateringly expensive couture for very long at all. I can almost feel the "it'll be fine, she just needs to settle in!1!!" desperation coming off the palace's moves on this general matter. And their desire to not make it worse by doing anything that could be interpreted by the public as a snub to Meghan.

And hey, maybe she will realize she needs to learn a lot more about her role and how to properly carry it out. I don't think she will, because i think she is totally and hopelessly addicted to attention and adulation and will not be able to subsume herself to the larger 'good' of the RF and its continued existence. But I wouldn't wish to write off the impact that years of low-level passive-aggressive pressure can have on a person - even a headstrong one - either.

[quote]Yet you think it’s a stretch to believe he could ever have shown up pissed in front of the Cambridge children at KP?.... And Nott Cott is about a 3 minute walk (if that) from 1A. Of course it’s not a “city block” away, you tool.

R85 - Wow. I am at a loss. Some twenty odd tendrils threads and the same number of royal threads later, I offended someone enough get attacked and called a tool for a) asking a simple question, and b) overestimating the distance between DP 1A and Nott Cott from one of those overhead aerials DM often has. I'm sorry but your reading comprehension as well as mind reading skills are sorely lacking.

Where exactly did I say that I do not believe Harry shows up drunk in front of the kids? I actually do which is why I asked under which circumstances he did because I find it "intriguing." What's so wrong about asking DL for more gossip? Isn't that what we're here for?

Do you want to rewind and be a decent, civil poster or should I assume that you are either drunk or just a mother-fucking cunt? (or both) Your choice.

Fergie's brows look terrible - even the shape is wrong. No excuse for that.

Sophie Countess of Wessex also attended an International Women's Day event.

It's just about ME and my SohoBébé.

Yep, we can see right up her thigh.

R132 - Her "Sharon Stone" leg cross moment.

R132 ROFL!!!!

Is she pregnant or does she just have a belly ache?

She has to hold her bump ALL THE TIME because it may explode AT ANY MINUTE.

A video of the Duchess of Confusion.

Her hair is a bloody mess.

R128 Your tone was shit. It sounded like a snotty, snarky attempt at belittling that post.

But - tone is extremely difficult to judge online & I totally got you wrong. I should have been more careful so I do apologise.

In other news - that fucking bump has stayed the same size for about 6 weeks. Which proves to me she was padding initially. Really pathetic how far that tart will go for attention.

She just drones on and on and on.

How offensive to the other women (one a PRIME MINISTER) that “hot girl#4” gets centre stage.

Utterly abhorant. If a DM columnist doesn’t take issue with this tomorrow, I shall be astounded.

If Markle is a good example of feminism, this just proves how low the bar has now become & how meaningless the word.

"Hi, I'm Vice President of The Queen's Commonwealth Trust. Have you heard I'm pregnant?"

[quote]Your tone was shit. It sounded like a snotty, snarky attempt at belittling that post.

Gotta get the shiv in before the apology. Actually three of them. You sound nice.

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It's so disappointing to see a woman like MM, who as many have pointed out is only in the position of being able to speak at events like this due to the man she married, held up as some shining example of feminism.

As one of the articles linked here ages back pointed out, she has a quill in her personal coat of arms to signify her 'voice' and her use of that voice for activism (lol) etc. She was made to shut down ALL her social media accounts, i.e. to literally silence her own voice, before she was allowed to get anywhere near a white dress. And she;s certainly not free to speak freely now she's in the family. It's completely laughable.

R59, I used to think those pics at IG, with Markle signaling the camera, Doria being an overly close talker with Harry, and Jessica and Marcus at hand, was what Harry stans claim it is, the moment that Harry was trapped by Megan & Co., that they produced their blackmail or whatever. I no longer think so. I believe Harry is fully part of it, that he and Meggy were planning to stage "candid" "back in the corner" romantic pap shots. You know, having it both ways, showing off for the cameras while pretending to want privacy - so far, so basic. There they were "with friends and her mom", enjoying a private cuddle when they were captured on grainy digital.

Meghan was instructing the cameras because that's who she is and Harry left those details to her. It's not a romance, it's an alliance. They both want celebrity. Meghan and Harry using each other. What Harry provided Meghan is obvious, and likely Meghan convinced him that she was this super savvy influencer on social media and with PR, and she could make sure he stayed Mr. Popular and eclipsed Will and Kate for a long time to come. AND they could birth earn money while they did it. Nobody else was interested, Meghan was. Harry should have wondered why the A list turned him down but the Z-list was willing, and if she's so good at it all how come she has no money of her own. Harry's vanity is enormous. Anyway, I think my theory may account for the lack of a true romantic vibe between them in the snuggle pictures after all of the camera set-up was done. It's not about romance, really. Harry has no interests or passions, as mentioned above, and his goal now is simply celebrity seeking and money, if he can do it.

Harry went to a "sustainable" conference in Berlin and first thing was captured at Soho House Berlin.

They should really swap him out for one of the York sisters.

R143 “Nice”? Who fucking cares? You may be sad enough to need validation from complete strangers on DL (of all places) but I’m not.

Now go feed your cat, or whatever.

A panelist introduced Meghan as a "royal not afraid to embrace full-on feminism".

Is this a subtle stab on her critics: "A woman walking beside her husband not behind him is not threatening" or words to that effect.

R117 - You would if you were a clinical narcissist.

New engagement for Kate next week.

A busy week ahead for Kate.

Cb thinks Kate is doing these engagements because meghan is owning it with hers and because she's vp.

Could someone translate r153 into English? I don't speak frau.

R127 you said, "This is still an eminently save-able situation. " But it's not. Narcissists don't change. Maybe the BRF doesn't know this. I agree 100% with your assessment of HM. It's funny to me how some people see her as this all powerful figure whose word is law, who won't allow this nail polish color, this love interest, and withholds approval on all kinds of things while mandating all kinds of OTHER things. And yes, when it comes to what kind of tiara she'll loan out, I'm sure she's extremely firm. But her history has shown she does nothing to rein in the grifters and the various miscreants in her family. She is not firm at all. If a family member has an inherent respect for her and for the institution, and if an in-law is married to a family member who has that respect, then everybody will be in line. If the family member gives no shits and therefore their spouse does not, the queen does nothing. Look, her favorite kid is clearly Andy.

You are also correct, IMO, that this is different from Diana in that there are not one, but two rogues. Meghan IS Harry. She's his weapon. They have to decide what to do about Harry more than they need to decide what to do about Meghan.

William and Kate have evolved into who they are not because they're afraid of PC and HM, but because they are grown-ups who have accepted their roles and their responsibilities. And because both are family focused, as is HM. If Kate were prone to acting out, she would not have modified her dress and style as she did between the first year of her marriage and now. She'd have dressed as girlishly as she pleased, no weights on her hems, and there would be nothing HM could have done about it, particularly if William didn't care. But William and Kate both care. That is the key. If someone doesn't care, or insists on doing exactly what they want no matter what, HM rolls over.

My opinion on Harry showing up drunk - Will joked at Harry's engagement that perhaps now Harry would stop raiding Will and Kate's fridge. I think Harry doesn't do very much and is probably a day drunk, and when he pops in over at Will and Kate's he had been routinely drunk off his ass. I don't think special circumstances or drama marked this behavior.

One of the professional royal watchers / reporters (whose name I have forgotten) clearly has a soft spot for Harry. This reporter is a middle-aged dude. He repeats the tale that Harry and Will BOTH partied hard, it's just that Will was inside while Harry was outside getting into scrapes with reporters. Vanity Fair did this whole spin on "Harry wasn't the only wild one - they were BOTH wild." IMO this comes from Harry. It has that whine to it, and that resentment. Yes, very obviously Will partied when he was younger. There are plenty of bleary-eyed pics of him out on the town with Kate and without (and a few bleary eyed pics of her). But there's a big difference between a guy who shows up as - what was it? A lion? at a costume party and one who shows up as a Nazi. There's a difference between a guy who graduates from university under his own steam despite not being academic, and who holds down a responsible job, and a guy who bails on his "career" despite a few million dollars worth of PR because he can't be bothered to set himself up to take the test for the next step. There's a difference between a guy who treats relationships seriously and responsibly and a guy who rushes into one because he wants an insta-transformation. Harry is fucked up. William may have a temperment, but he's not fucked up. I also like his badass side. Far more truly badass than Harry's petulance and temper tantrums.

I always get the feeling that some advisor told Meghan what wear for an event.... and she did the exact opposite.

“Now, Duchess, this is an event for serious women. You want to be seen as equally serious. So, wear something professional and comfortable. No short skirts, no evening style heels, hair neat and out of your face.”

Then we see how she turned up.

I think she does things to annoy the public on purpose. She has to know that her obsessive bump cradling drives DM commenters crazy, yet she continues to do it anyway. Just like rushing in front of Harry to shake hands with their hosts when they attend events. And also, I can't help but think, she asked herself this morning, "Won't I get a lot of snarky attention if I wear a mini-dress and show off my bare legs as a women's empowerment event? "

R155 - Well observed post. I agree with you. Neither of these two people feel they have anything to apologise for, and both have internalised the view that whatever is wrong is someone else's fault. Meghan is pushing 40, isn't particularly introspective, and is pursuing a trajectory that she feels has worked well for her for her entire life - she isn't going to change, and why should she when her legally and spiritually consecrated helpmate is completely on board with her agenda. For his part, Harry has weaponised Meghan against his family, especially his brother, whilst blithely accepting the perks that accrue to him as a senior member of that family. On his own merits, he'd have ended up a working-class chav.

Meghan has made Harry feel safe and emboldened to stick it to his family. The family has enabled this by making clear that it will leave Harry and Meghan to go their merry way until they're dull and middle-aged and no one gives a shit about them any longer, and William and Kate move up.

Show off her legs?

Show off her crotch is more like it.

Those photos on stage are astonishingly wrong given the nature of the event.

Guess she knows on some level her pussy has been the real source of her so-called “power.”

This is what’s wrong with third- and fourth- wave feminism. “If I want to make a living by being a nasty skank, I should be able to do that.”

No.

Yes these two have a business agreement that’s true . Not love as everyone wants to believe . Making money out of their marriage is the goal . For her and for him . You don’t find it odd that Doria is nowhere to be seen . It would be easy for her to visit her daughter now she is pregnant and help her . But no she stays firmly in LA . Why I ask myself ? Maybe because Meghan is not pregnant and they use a surrogate . They visited Doria in LA secretely as her PR says . But no paps have seen them . And in H’wood they are a plague . It would be in the DM If they had done that .

[155] ITA with "They have to decide what to do about Harry more than they need to decide what to do about Meghan." - exactly. Harry's totally on board as of right now. I genuinely don't understand the people here who think this is some kind of 'business arrangement' (Harry wanted fame? you guys, he was already extremely famous, and his attitude towards it has never seemed to be anything other than a long-running petulant resentment - whilst enjoying the perks, ofc) or that they're not into each other. If anything, he's more enthralled than she is.

I also hear you (and should have been clearer myself) on the narcs don't change point. MM is 37. Clinically personality disordered or not it is very unlikely she'll change. It's why I think the marriage is ultimately doomed. But I'm also pretty sure the palace (I also agree with your assessment HM - it's very English of her to be that way) is just crossing their fingers and imagining that everything can be worked out/public exposure of internal strife can be avoided. Because make no mistake, the RF will do almost anything to avoid the exposing of any of their messy interpersonal stuff. Including pretty much letting MM prance around like a ridiculous reality TV star living her best life in front of the world's media without saying boo. Right now they seem to be in appeasement/show the public everything is FINE IT'S ALL FINE WE LOVE MEGHAN EVERYTHING IS GREAT mode. I bet Harry is totally livid over the tabloid coverage of his wife, and I bet he's being given the whole 'no, no, don't say anything, don't react' from courtiers/family. He's probably steaming (and i think it's part of his character to perhaps unconsciously enjoy this kind of righteous anger on behalf of a beautiful princess character being victimized - as he sees it - by the evil press) and they, knowing what a fucking hothead he is, are probably just trying to keep him from doing or saying anything rash.

I'm certain the RF wishes Harry hadn't married the cringey actress. But there are other loyalties and priorities at play here and as the sensible people here understand, nothing and no-one supersedes the continued existence and maintenance of the immense privilege of the RF. If that means putting up with MM's shit for a few years, I bet they'll just grind their teeth and do it.

I think the criticism has taken a terrible turn. Segment here with Anderson Cooper on the threats to Meghan and Harry. Scary stuff.

MM has obviously been the target of racist abuse. But this whole 'oooh, it's actually a dangerous and real security threat' line is KP PR, imo. None of these 'her brownness has sullied our pure white RF' types on Twitter - or wherever it is they hang out online - are an actual danger to MM. Acting like these are real-world physical threats just helps bolster the narrative that MM is an innocent victim of the evil press/evil racists and (this is the key part) makes it more likely the public will view her with sympathy. Her friends are selling this narrative when they talk to the press, too.

Yeah, racists are gonna racist. That's shitty. But it doesn't somehow follow that MM *isn't* a spotlight-addicted thirst machine. Because she toooootally is.

R162, celebrity and fame are different. Harry wants to be a celebrity. As one royal observer said, William knows these people but he doesn't take them home with him. They're not his friends, they are work.

But the celebrity world is the world Harry wants to be part of. He likes the tacky, and he likes the cheap flash. But most importantly, he wants to OUTSHINE HIS BROTHER and he doesn't want to be Andy.

That is what Meghan provides or what Harry thought she'd provide. No, I do not believe they are in love, he looked like he was going to throw up at his wedding while she blinked maybe twice a minute with her new facial expression someone dubbed, "The Serene." There are no signs of convincing intimacy (not saying they don't do it, just saying there is no true affection and attachment there that is not strictly performative when they're in public).

Harry may be famous enough for our purposes, but he's not famous enough for his own. It's that thing people don't understand about the privileged in this world. Here's an example - a beautiful woman who is self-critical or not happy with her appearance. People look at her and think my God, anyone would love to be that beautiful. But she doesn't give a shit about ordinary people. She's comparing herself with some OTHER incredibly beautiful woman. I can testify to that. I knew a girl who became a fairly well known actress. The first thing people said when meeting her was how pretty she was. She took it for granted. Did she feel lucky? No. She hated that there were many well-known models at the time who looked like her, but she wasn't tall enough to model (she eventually modeled in a low key way with a petite modeling agency for awhile). She HATED when people would compare her to a particular famous beauty married to a rock star because she didn't think that woman was beautiful enough to be compared to her. At times she would hate her type (ambiguously ethnic, olive skin, dark eyes, thick dark hair) because she thought tall, fair skinned red-heads were more mainstream and classic. She was NEVER, "Yay! I'm beautiful! I'm more beautiful than 95% of the population!"

Ever see the pic of Tiger Woods yacht (enormous) and the yacht of his ex-wife's boyfriend parked in a nearby slip (somewhat larger). THAT's how these people think, including Harry, when they're shallow enough, when there's not a lot of there, there.

We look at Harry and say, he's world famous! Why would he need fame? Why, because he'd always tell other people, "Don't worry about me, my brother is the important one." He cares about his status and fame vis a vis his brother, not vis a vis ordinary unfamous people. The most telling thing he ever said, IMO, was that he had about 10 years before he was eclipsed by George and Charlotte. People who project all good qualities onto Harry decided he meant he had only 10 more years before being relieved of all this press attention he hated. Bullshit. He had ten more years to install himself permanently as "the most popular member of the royal family." You don't go hitting on movie stars and trying to get your own Grace Kelly (or Margot Robbie, or whomever) if you are happy with your given level of fame. All of Harry's press went to his head. He's on social media - all the social media bullshit went to his head, "Good King Harry." "Harry should be king, not Will." He's got nothing else to fill his head with but nonsense, so the nonsense sticks. He's up his own ass, and looks likely to stay there, for life.

After their wedding, as they walked out to get in their carriage, Harry kissed MM to which MM said "thank you". Does that sound like love or does that sound like a pre-negotiated play?

Fuck all whatever color anyone or even MEghan alone wants to assign upon herself. To quote her [italic]fave-orite[/italic] author, "It's the content of her character" that a good chunk of the public find so distasteful. She's a pretender, a poseur who hides from her critics behind some self-constructed banner that she is an innocent victim under a barrage of racially motivated attacks. It's a cop out. She is superficial, she has no depth nor substance, she's a fake and a phony with all her virtue signalling and feminist waving and humanitarian sound byte bullshit. She feels entitled to lecture to the masses yet she'll do as she pleases thankyouverymuch. A do as I say, not as I do hypocrite of gigantic proportions. It feels like 2016 all over when I look around and think; gah people, do you not see this individual is a con artist? Don't believe me, look at their history. Look at the bullshit they've made up of their past, they have no real friends. They use people and dispose of people. But there will always be some who are just suckers and you shake your head and mutter, damn are you stupid.

IF Harry had been both smart and a normal-functioning person without maladjustments or possible mental health concerns, which female celebrity should he have gone after? Certainly a smart person would've had second thoughts and taken a second look when the red flags surfaced. Who marries someone without meeting her father while expecting him to have a big presence at the wedding? What kind of shit was she telling him and how dumb and willing was he to participate in this farce of a marriage?

Anyways, I could think of some celebs who would have made better wives in BRF than Meghan and without the baggages. If he was into multicultural ones why not Olivia Munn type? Olivia is way bigger star (actual Hollywood not Canada), degree in journalism and Japanese, and close to her family no drama. Or Kristin Kreuk, still a bigger name than Meghan, not a fame whore type of celebrity just a working actress, and naturally stunning looks to boot. But then again why would these women give up their career to be with Dims? No, it takes someone with inflated sense of self who's also desperate and knows time is not on her side even if she were to make a name for herself a la Sharon Stone who got famous late in her career at age 34 starring in Basic Instinct, and even she got aged out of prime roles in short time. It takes a Meghan and it wouldn't have mattered much if she didn't have excess baggage and wasn't a complete narcissist fake humanitarian. She would've just been an interesting addition who brought a bit of celebrity glamor to BRF. No one would've cared.

I can practically hear Sparkle thinking, “Being a feminist means I’m free to make a living by fucking men. And, it’s cool to be a sexy mom! Hi moms, you too can prance around with your ass hanging out, don’t let anyone talk you into wearing a nice business suit just because you’re 8 months pregnant! You need to look sexy and ready to take a dick at any moment, no matter the setting! That’s true liberation!”

If Harry were smart and a normal functioning person he wouldn't have married a celebrity because I think history shows the celebrity life is more alluring than the royal life. Sure, many celebrities married in, particularly early in the previous century (JFK's sister Kit, Fred Astaire's sister Adele - and enough wealthy Americans so that various plays and musicals addressed the subject) but I believe they married nobility or aristos who were attracted to celebrity. The celebrity just got to burnish her shine with a little royalty, but was still living a celebrity life.

If Harry were a healthy human being, and if his relationship with Chelsy Davy were what it appeared to be, he'd have been able to convince her via his behavior that she would be able to handle royal life. Then he'd have a "Kate" perfectly suited to HIM - likes to party, her own tons of family money that provides a royal escape without getting the $$ first from Charles, and a woman who was clearly extremely well-liked by his entire family and a lot of fun.,

A celebrity wouldn't have worked. Even princess Grace started itching for Hollywood again, and her kind of celebrity was the kind Meghan Markle would probably prefer - hanging with rich people and movie stars, yachts and couture houses, without any "tradition" getting in the way.

I agree R170. She should have married Prince Albert, more her style. Eurotrash. The BRF used to be above that celebrity nonsense. At least until Diana, but clearly Will is not pursuing the celebrities like his mother did. Harry is clearly his mother's son.

Sarah Ferguson's post for International Women's Day.

Prince William and Chelsey Davy in the audience as Harry is awarded something or other.

She's still hammering on about the story of how she changed a sexist commercial at 11 years old. Yeah, we know woman. We've heard it all before ad nauseum. It's not about YOU. Your job is the listen and learn from the women there.

Chelsy Davy, Kate.

The piece de resistance - Chelsy Davy/Prince Charles.

There are no words.

Meghan's self-promotion at event where international women's causes should be emphasized is a pathetic reflection of her inability to be anything other than a narcissist. Everything that narcissists do and say always come back to themselves. Add this to a long list of evidence for her being just that, a narcissist.

An unplanned walkabout. Her dress is so short that when she shook someone's hand in the crowd, I think she flashed her underwear.

|Americans hug" said Meghan. Apparently her kind of royalty kisses - very awkwardly.

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Remember this from William and Kate's wedding?

The New York Times article about her “moving the dial?” UGH. The biggest of eyerolls at this entire article. Wouldn’t comment on her mixed race heritage? That’s literally all she’s talked about for forever.

"What kind of shit was she telling him and how dumb and willing was he to participate in this farce of a marriage?"

Yeah, no one really talks about how before meeting PH Meghan was busy selling a "daddy's little girl" (barf) narrative, posting on her social media about what a great dad he was, how close they were etc. etc. And yet BEFORE he pulled that arranged pap stunt pre-wedding we have 2 facts: he never met PH, and Harry also made those comments about now MM would have a "real" family. That's an undeniable example of her selling different manipulative narratives to different people, based on how she wanted them to see her. She's a real piece of work, isn't she? I'm grossed out, but I'm almost impressed. Harry's a fucking dummy for falling for it, ofc, but no one ever said he was smart.

So I just Googled the Queen's Commonwealth Trust (because people are acting like this is a huge deal) and - again - two things.

1. Is this a big deal? Was it not expected that post-marriage M and H would be assigned patronages? Is that not, in fact, one of the core aspects of the 'work' (lol) that they theoretically do in exchange for the lavish palaces and multiple yearly vacations? I'm not sure I buy that this is a reward for Meghan more than it is simply what's expected of her as the wife of PH. Also, PH is listed on the website as the president of this organization. So, again - is it not simply expected that M would be given a role?

2. I'm seeing a PR narrative here. Look at some of the quotes on the front page of the Q's Commonwealth Trust Page: "Today’s young leaders, shaping tomorrow’s world." (opening statement) "We want to be a platform for young change-makers across the Commonwealth." "We support ideas that help children into learning" - these two are being packaged and sold as the 'youth' outreach for the RF. I bet seen in this light MM's social media persona and experience with celebrity, her stated interest in activism, feminism etc. slots right into things. And she's got Harry way on board, too.

Don't get me wrong - again, I don't actually buy that MM gives a fuck about anything other than publicly polishing her own halo and being generally adored. But it's smart of the RF to be using the 2 of them this way, to be selling them to the public in this specific manner. If we're right about Meghan - and I obviously think we are - it won't last. I believe it will last longer than many here think, but I think their marriage will eventually founder, and with it her (and his) 'woke' credentials. Speaking of woke credentials, has anyone noticed how although everyone who doesn't think MM is the second coming of all that is good and pure is a racist, when it seems to be almost entirely the (non-white) colour of her skin that got people like Kaiser on board in the first place? No one knew a damn thing about her when their relationship first went public, but I remember CB and the like squeeing over the fact that she was mixed race. Pretty sure the reaction would have been more measured had she been the same person in a lily-white English aristo package.

Oh and I encourage everyone to read that Harper's Bazaar piece on the Mulroney woman, if only for the high-def .gif/clip of her preening at the top of it. She reminds me almost completely of Markle. Look at her posing for the camera like an ingenue, she's fucking. loving. it. Neither of these woman ever looks more joyous than they do when they're being photographed/filmed. And they both speak ENTIRELY in that fakey Instagram positivity bullshit language that manages to give absolutely no hint of a real person underneath all the platitudes. I was actually weirded out by how similar to Meghan she sounded.

Well she seems to have avoided flashing the crowd too bacly when she crossed her legs.

I took a quick look at CB and many posters called out the Women's Day dress as being way, way too short and in appropriate for the occasion. They're taking heat from other posters, but there are far more of the criticisers than I'd have thought Kaiser would allow.

R185 - As I observed many BRF threads ago, Meghan's been constructing a persona for so long there is no longer any authentic "there" there. So I agree with you. She speaks fluent Instagram and is conversational in Twitter. But the actual content philosophically has the depth of an amoeba.

OK I just listened to some of her comments from that panel thing, and I have to say she sounded pretty articulate. I don’t like to admit it. There was not an “um” or “uh” to be heard. She can be very smooth.

MEga's stans are russian bots??? Say it isn't so.

Why is Chelsea Davy so yellow? Is she mixed race?

Chelsy a fan of tanning bed maybe.

[quote] I took a quick look at CB and many posters called out the Women's Day dress as being way, way too short and in appropriate for the occasion.

FASCINATING.

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Someone on these threads recommended "The Diana Chronicles" and I really enjoyed it, any more book recs? I already read "Ma'am Darling."

R193 for real. Why do people think we care what women on CB think?

If they're all swinging from Meghan's nutsack who gives a shit? Keep that shit over there

R195 - If you aren't tired of Diana, Sally Bedell-Smith's "Diana in Search of Herself" was honest yet sympathetic. Rober Lacey's "Majesty" is quite good, as well.

If you want a dose of a much more traditional variety of royal biography, you might try to get your hands on "Thatched with Gold" by Mabell, Countess of Airlie, a close friend of Queen Mary and acquaintence to five generations of the Windsors. And, then, of course, there is Marion Crawford's ("Crawfie") priceless, "The Little Princesses" which cost the loyal long-time governess her relationship with the royal family. It's quite harmless but was viewed as a massive betrayal of trust.

R196 - Actually, if you read the post again, you'll see that the report is that they're NOT all swinging from Meghan's nutsack, which is why it was interesting. And as this is a gossip site, and CB is a gossip site, I don't see where the moral high ground on your part comes from - is there some yardstick for a higher grade of gossip? We don't need hall monitors here, thanks.

I liked “Diana in private” by lady what’s her face

I met Sally Bedell Smith and had her autograph her Queen Elizabeth book. I think. I’m an elder.

R198 in that one post, yes they agreed Meghan's dress was too short for the occasion (which it was)

I guess I just don't understand why DL should care about what the fraus on cb say. We know they're mostly Meghan stans. We know they're going to defend her for the most part.

R199 - Lady Colin Campbell? That was quite a bit of fun and despite the colourful persona of Campbell, I thought it had more than a ring of truth.

R200 - Elder here, as well.

Lady Cynthia Asquith also wrote some deeply hagiogrpahic bios of the Queen Mum, as did Dorothy Laird.

However, someone wrote quite an acidic book about the Queen Mother about 15-20 years ago that was enjoyable for its departure from the nearly uniformly adoring ones written about her, only I'm damned if I can remember who it was.

R201 - I'm not suggesting anyone should care - it's just gossip.

^^damn it all - hagiographic

Ah ha - remembered: Penelope Mortimer's "Queen Elizabeth: A Portrait of the Queen Mother" was defiantly sour - almost resentful. She clearly thought the near-adoration of the Queen Mum needed to be taken down a peg or two.

sarahferguson15 Only 3 weeks ago I was in Kroo Bay, Freetown, one of the poorest places in Sierra Leone, meeting families who live there. They wouldn't let me move in so I guess it's back to Andy's. I just hope DoE hasn't got his cataracts done. Otherwise it's in through the drains again.

Noted R205, thank you!

Thank you for the book recommendations, everyone! I'm off to bother a few librarians.

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Meghan has probably planned to get rid of all the dreary “palace aides” assigned to her all along. She will likely prefer to staff her office with people who are on the same wavelength with her: positive-thinking, yoga-instagram, avocado-matcha-latte, feminism and rosé-all-day, etc.

To those of you expecting cockney Eliza Doolittle to emerge as an elegant, long-necked, well-behaved swan? It's not going to happen. This particular swan is actually a sweaty, chunky warthog who enjoys flashing her sweaty, disgusting cooter because she thinks it's what we want.

I wonder if MM is delighted the aides quit and may even have pushed them to do it. She inherited Samantha Cohen from the queen, but did she have a hand in hiring the others?

R211 We know from the people she has ghosted that she does use other people around her as flying monkeys so naturally she'd want to do the same with the staff. Right now the staff probably have more loyalty to PH and that doesn't work for her because she needs people only loyal to her that she can control. She's already isolated him from some (most?) of his oldest friends so it makes sense that she'd try to isolate him from the staff as well.

Prince Andrew's tiny dick photo was shocking. No wonder he hangs out with Epstein.

Its almost like a novel the relationship of PH and MM . First the courtship on two continents than the quick marriage and than the descend into becoming a celebrity on a mondial scale . I’m sure there will be a movie made out of this all . Two vile characters against the royal family . Who will win ?

Its like looking at a play ! I suspect any moment “cut “ from the director.

Despite the current poll results showing support for the BRF, I believe it is on its' last legs. A major recession has been predicted for a long time, much worse than in 2009, and if/when it occurs, the occupants of the palaces and their lives of luxury will be deemed surplus to requirements. What they need to do to stave off that inevitable day is provide demonstrable value for money. In that regard, HazBean is a disaster. No wonder William is angry.

Maybe because the BRF may go extinct for the reasons R218 states, is why HaZBean are acting out they way they are? Wills and Kate will be rich and comfortable either way. Harry was in a more precarious place and matched with Megs for a USA/UK reality celebtard future.

R 216

Grifters Part Deux

Its not about Meghan . It never was , she is just someone to deflect our eyes from Harry . What about Harry ? We now know its not a marriage of love but a business agreement . Its all about Harry it always was from the beginning . What is it they want to keep burried the RF ? If she was such an obnoxiuos woman like she wants us to believe . The RF had her out long time ago If this was the case . WHAT ABOUT HARRY indeed ? The trips to Senbale . What happened there ! Something that can’t see the daylight ? All these black young boys .

Not sure what you're even talking about, R221.

^^ We always knew the Meghan-bashers were a tiny handful of highly dedicated shut-ins using dozens if not hundreds of sockpuppets. Exactly the same as the Cumberbatch stalkers. I blocked about three people and all the anti-Meghan posts have vanished from this thread.

The Monarchy are just meaningless celebrities anyway. They're good for tabloid gossip fodder and nothing else. It's so weird that Americans get so fixated. Here in England hardly anyone cares.

Would there still be a Royal Family if nobody truly cared?

Don’t you think its odd that we never saw a picture of Harry playing with his nephew and niece unless its in a public setting . He.s their uncle ! I think that its Harry William and Kate hate not Meghan although they want us to believe that . What happened in KP ? William doesn’t talk to his brother and we have to believe its the antics of Meghan that makes him mad . They banned Harry from court so to speak . Harry did something that needed to be swept under the rug . Et voila Meghan enters the scène !

R224 The royal family is unlikely to disappear or be "deposed/abolished".

No one needs a royal family but the monarch is part of the governing structure. Getting rid of the monarchy would require replacing it. Thought it's not impossible, as Brexit has taught us, it's fucking hard to get consensus on what that replacement should be.

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Pippa and James do not live in KP do they ?

Its always in a public setting these pics are made ! A polo match.or a public appearance of the RF . Never saw a pic made in a private setting . He lived in NC at KP .

R229 You’re not very bright, are you? Why should you be able to access pictures taken of the royal family in a private setting.

[quote]Don’t you think its odd that we never saw a picture of Harry playing with his nephew and niece unless its in a public setting . He.s their uncle !

No, not at all. William and Kate are notoriously protective of their children's privacy. Not everyone's a Kardashian, dear. Or a Markle, of one description or another.

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As if we needed any more proof of what an asshole she fucking is.

On yesterday's DM story about her attendance at the women's day event, the top comment was a short reference to her dress: "Way too short." It has more than 18000 likes.

Meghan is the scapegoat in this story isn’t she . Dispised by us for her antics not behaving in a royal manner grifting ,merching and being an asshole . She sure is the villain . But maybe she was told by Harry to be that way so nobody would look at him . She is encouraged to do so . He knows very well she is a narc and NPD . He will never stop her for doing what she does so good . Everyone is saying that he is afraid of her but I think she is afraid of him . The narrative they want us to believe is that Meghan is the villain and he can.t do nothing about it . Princess Ann was talking to her in a friendly way . Charles was speaking to her in a friendly way . And I think even Kate . William doesn’t speak to his brother but not because of Meghan . I think they know her type all too well in their circles . Its Harry that is the culprit . Before the kids they where so close these three and than something happened and Kate and William doesn’t speak to him anymore . I think its even before Meghan appeared on the stage .

I hope the child is going to be ugly.

Philip and I just ROARED when we saw this. Anne nearly wet herself too.

R228 - Of course they don't. Pippa's husband is rich, they live in a six-bedroom stucco fronted mansion in West London.

R235 is also the poster who "thinks" it's a pillow baby; M and H don't live together because she lives at Soho Farmhouse; and (my fave) that the KP communications secretary, Christian Jones, spends his days on the DL responding to her messages.

[quote] I think

Thinking isn't really your thing. You should stop.

Not only is Harry the evil, drunken mastermind responsible for Meghan's behavior, he's also culpable for the disaster that is Brexit. I tried to tell them on Celebitchy but those fraus wouldn't listen. It's true.

R239 - There is a lot of hyperbole in R235's post, but there are also some grains of truth in it. As my sainted Mum used to say, "It takes two to tango." Meghan is the easy target, and to an extent deservedly so, but it has to be remembered that Harry chose her not despite those characteristics, but because of them. Meghan is Harry's way of acting out - perhaps the BRF knew Harry better than the pubic did, and figured they may as well let him have his choice and stand of fall on it. Maybe they underestimated how destructive they would be as a couple, maybe they didn't. Who knows?

But it is true that as is not uncommon in relationships like this, the aggressive woman and her clothes are the easy target, and the passive-aggressive male behind gets more cover (although Harry's recent speech at WE was a rare break from that cover).

It's a classic match of a cagey elusive man putting an annoying woman in front of him to take the heat, and, therefore, quite a bit at variance with all the feminist bullshit Meghan spews.

Mind, she knows what she's getting out of it, and it was also her choice, but I have to say the relationship as a whole, more than either party separately, is starting to seem almost creepy - a sort of devil's bargain psychologically.

When you look at William and Kate you see a fairly normal couple who probably have navigated garden variety normal couple issues. When you look at Harry and Meghan, you see old pathologies at work.

*Oh, dear - "knew Harry better than the PUBLIC did. . ."

The most ghastly of all typos. Apologies.

R241

Just saw some article claiming MM has turned him into “hippie Harry.” Got me thinking- Harry would probably grow his hair long if only he could. (Photoshop, anyone?)

R241 “Harry chose her not despite those characteristics, but because of them. Meghan is Harry's way of acting out“ - you state this assumption as though it is fact. Nobody here knows why he chose her. Maybe she just gives great head.

I doubt Harry is clever enough for the Machiavellian drama r235 supposes. Maybe he just inherited his mother’s mental instability, maybe he just can’t see how bad it all looks.

I think we’re all looking at this like a scripted drama when it’s really just bland stupidity. That’s just a guess of course because on a site of gossip and pointless bitchery that’s all we really have. Doesn’t stop me thinking she looks like the offspring of Crazy Legs Crane.

People tend to see a conspiracy or evil plan because they assume the “grey men” are taking care of things.

But here, there doesn’t seem to be anyone n charge. Just a bunch of trashy children careening from one trashy outing to the next.

Why do the British taxpayers put up with it?!

R244 - Darling, allow me to introduce you to a novel concept: the gossip site. No one here actually "knows" anything personally about Sam Heughan, the figure skaters, the actors on the varied threads, etc., etc.

As these posts aren't doctoral theses, we don't feel we have either to provide footnotes referencing our research, and we take as a given that readers understand these are Opinions From Afar.

I appreciate your point about bland stupidity and agree completely. However, there are a few other road signs: Harry's mother was a clinical narcissist, his wife is a clinical narcissist, his family by any stretch of the imagination would have preferred he married someone else, which he undoubtedly knew - a few patterns are visible even at this distance.

Including, yes, bland stupidity, as you point out.

R245 - "Why do the British taxpayers put up with it?!"

You may well arsk.

People forget that the monarchy wasn't always the ornamental "representative" institution is is today; that's a recent development. But the monarchy is deeply entwined with how Britian got to be Britain - including its civil wars, foreign wars (Agincourt really happened, remember), how its laws and governmental structure evolved. Kings and Queens of England are part of the fabric of the nation's history and identity in schools the way Presidents and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, etc., are for American kids.

So whilst not impossible to imagine that at this point in time enough people could wake up and say, "This isn't the Monarchy of Olde, why are we still paying for its pale shadow today?" it still hasn't happened. There's still too much national identity tied up in it. The Queen's genius is to have kept that alive for the last 70 years.

The question for monarchists and republicans in the UK is: can Charles and then William and Kate keep that sense alive?

Watch this space.

Darling, how do you know someone is a "clinical narcissist"? You need more than "road signs" and "patterns visible at a distance" for a clinical diagnosis. Throwing around medical terminology is no more or less inane than every other bit of speculation.

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R248 - Actually, the diagnosis of Diana was expressed by more than one person with more experience in the field and her most sympathetic biographers who did real research and talked to those who knew her didn't shy away from talking about her emotional problems. She was being sent off for psychiatric help by the end of the honeymoon, and she exhibited not a few of the items on the checklist.

Look, if you have to have a degree in psychiatry and have had to have spent some sessions trying to treat Diana before you can express an opinion on this, we may as well close the site.

Diana had severe emotional difficulties and her marriage to Charles was on the rocks by the time they got back to Balmoral from the honeymoon. She blamed others for the problems, drove Charles nearly crazy with her insistence on 24/7 attention, courted the media when she began to realise the extent of her star power, and learned absolutely nothing from her mistakes. Her choices in later life made that obvious. After all her relationship disasters, she ends her life in the arms of Dodi Fayed?

I think both Diana's and Meghan's histories offer plenty of fodder for the estimates, and of course we'll call them estimates.

More than a few people who kept quiet at the time spotted Diana as trouble and a poor match for Charles from the beginning. Their voices were only heard later.

All that's happening today is that the voices recognising similar issues in Meghan aren't being drowned out by universal public adoration of the new girl on the block.

R249 - Thornton wrote a well received book called "Royal Feud" about twenty years ago. It's a good read, I don't know why the DM is resurrecting this stuff now as if it were new. You can read it all in Thornton's book.

Spring has arrived at Prince Charles' country house Highgrove

Margaret and her family.

R253 - Diana hated Highgrove, one of the problems that arose between the couple over time. Diana never stopped being an urban Sloane Ranger, happiest amongst boutiques and high-end shops and eateries and theatres, and was completely disinterested in Charles' extensive efforts to design the garden with attention to bringing back flora and fauna that had left the region due to habitat destruction. Highgrove was also in the Gloucestershire "royal triangle" - Anne lived nearby and Camilla wan't too far off, either. Diana never felt that Highgrove was hers as much as Charles', but it's also true that she made no effort to make it as much hers.

Of course, whilst she and Charles were dating, she couldn't say enough good things about the estate. Only after she got the ring safely on her finger did her real views emerge.

A new solo event has been announced for Harry. Will the wife show up "by surprise"?

Both dresses are a little high but they're is a difference: one is loose and the other is tight.

^ there

Harry the Hypocrite.

Lady, the really sad thing is that MeAgain wanted everyone to talk about HER SHORT dress. She's an attention whore.

R260 - and forgot to mention that the words coming out of her mouth we've all heard before.

The Ring Lady is in the house!

You're a bore and Princess Anne has heard it all before.

Caption: There's a fool born every minute.

Thumb rings are ridiculous.

R257 Loose is not preferable in a very short skirt/dress. The last thing the BRF needs is Meghan copying Kate in the penchant for flyaway skirts.

Kate had a few flyaway skirts early on, hardly a real problem for the BRF. But your point that a view of Markle's chicken legs on her Marklish torso is unappetizing, to say the least.

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Am I the only one expecting a "Meghan rushed to hospital in baby scare" headline at some point?

No, R269, no hospitals, remember?

I have long been convinced that Amy was being paid extra to stick it out. IMO she stands out because she is always better and more appropriately dressed than Smeg, whatever the occasion.

Ah, something about her husband having a royal connection as well was bugging me so I just googled. She's married to Edward Lane Fox. So there you go.

Can't wait until Harry is off the KP social media and the offices are truly split, and until these two relocate to Frogmore. Then we'll see what's what.

I can't get over the fact that equally up her own ass Jessica Mulroney told Harpers that she will "Throw them a bone." What a fucking delusional asshole. Oh, and "I have a significant instagram."

Yes I imagine a pr baby scare followed by Pa Markle on every media outlet moaning followed by HazBean demanding privacy.

Also, she won't take her 6 months maternity leave and disappear, she can't go that long or even a month without grinning and smirking at a camera. The bump cradling will be replaced by skin tight look at my flat belly clothing due to yoga posturing. She probably hates that she can't be like Hilaria Baldwin on instagram doing all the post baby yoga contortions for all to envy.

R235 you have the spelling, grammatical and English language skills of a five year old.

A demented five year old.

On acid.

Go and have a drink of water, lie down in your cot, do some deep breathing, and never come back. You fucking fool.

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Diana was literally a girl when she married Charles, and 19 when they were engaged. Looking back, it was ridiculous, but at the time I suppose seemed normal. All of her psychological issues could be camouflaged by her youth, so anyone who observed more serious problems weren't really heard until later. I recall that shortly before her death the worm was turning in terms of public opinion, in large part because she was cavorting with Dodi Fayed which was a huge WTF are you doing and the poorest judgment imaginable, not just in BRF terms but in the eyes of the public. But, when newly married, she was strikingly pretty in an unusual way, very young, and very charming. She was everything people wanted in a newcomer to the BRF.

Meghan Markle is older than Diana was when she died. She's not a girl. She is closer to 40 than to 30. She's an obvious narc with junk food-level obsessions, is obsessed with the camera, thinks she's younger than she is or thinks she projects younger than she is, and has hooked up with probably the most dysfunctional member of the royal family. There's no learning curve with her, it's all doubling down and then doubling down again.

Oh really R274 ? Well I.m not a writer like you but it wasn’t that bad . Are you an experienced writer ?

R262, you know what DLers say about “beringedness”...

(People with rings on many fingers are nutcases.)

R278 - There is no reason to insult Ringo Starr because of Meghan Markle's issues.

I just have to post this one more time and say again: there are no words.

The best looking British royal - the late Prince William of Gloucester.

One of the rings Meghan wears is apparently an "evil eye to repel negativity". Good grief.

I have news for you girl. You're going to need more than a ring to make people like you.

[quote] But your point that a view of Markle's chicken legs on her Marklish torso is unappetizing, to say the least.

R267 I'm sure there's a sentence in there somewhere.

R257's post suggests that a looser dress mitigates it being too short. I disagree. Being loose just makes it more prone to being picked up by the wind.

[quote] Kate had a few flyaway skirts early on, hardly a real problem for the BRF.

Kate's flyaway skirts are not a problem but they are considered inappropriate by some people. Several of those moments were on international trips, with the Canadian (2011) Australian (2014) and the Indian (2016) incidents sticking out in my mind. The latest small moment was at Eugenie's wedding so it's not just "early on." I'm opposed to flyaway skirts regardless of the shapeliness, or lack thereof, of the legs involved. Others may prefer it. For those that do, enjoy.

R280 - The Quadruple Threat Crotch-Bump Grab-Crossed Legs-No Hose move.

I wonder if Meghan has OCD? That might explain the constant bump-cradling.

She wears rings to ward off evil eye? On the flip side, I imagine some people (Kate for example...) smudge their homes with sage immediately upon her exit.

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I suspect Amy got an earful about Sparkle’s “Sharin Stone moment.”

Yet, she’s probably powerless to stop the dumb cunt from making an ass out of herself.

That is unsustainable.

Even if Amy didn’t get an earful, Sparkle’s constant mistakes make her aide— whoever that may be— look bad.

Those aides are supposed to be “fixers.”

If Amy ever wants another job in that world, she needs to leave before it gets worse.

Which it will.

I can’t think of another person who has destroyed initial good will so quickly and thoroughly.

R289, what a thankless job. The departures of Amy’s coworkers are a good indication that Meghan is a nightmare, and not the staff.

Her outfit at the women’s event was awful. Did you see the sleeves on her blazer? Like sausages bursting at the seams. Why do her clothes NEVER fit?

[quote]Why do her clothes NEVER fit?

Because they are samples sent by the brands she is merching and must be returned unaltered.

MeAgain has been caught paying 20,000 Russian twitter and tumblr bots to defend her online and go after any journalists who criticize her. They are also involved in the Russian Collusion stories here in the US. This is the tip of the iceberg that is going to be her very public undoing.

It's been posted here above but not yet really absorbed.

The Sharon Stone moment at the women's conference, revealing her cellulite, is bad enough but the entrance of the RF at the Investiture Celebration where H&M are deliberately shepherded away from the rest of the Royals by Footmen is astonishing.

Tell us more, R292.

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RD has abruptly closed down any and all talk re: Harry and Meghan, even references will be shut down. Why the Gestapo-like extreme development I wonder? Those bitches are more hostile to CP Mary of Denmark than Sparkle, although MEgantoinette was rapidly catching up in the ranks. Is there some HazBean/KP muscle flexing going on surreptitiously that I am unaware.

And a preemptive fuck off to the "tinhattest/tumblr" troll who waves that shit when they want to strut like they think they are the smartest in the room.

This is a reasonable question, because as far as I understand this is unprecedented on RD. They have and they do talk shit about every other royal out there, so why are HazBean suddenly off limits?

Wow RD sounds really important and this sounds like a MOMENTOUS development. If only I knew what RD is.

RD is Royal Dish, an oft mentioned site for gossip that at times offered perceptive insight or a breaking story to the different royal families and their inner workings.

R296 I don't hang out on RD (whatever than is) but Muriel was shutting down shit about M and H on DL some time ago. Their fans and their haters have some extreme elements that just aren't fun and can ruin a forum.

Thank you, R299. I get the sense that our BRF threads attract a lot of visitors from other sites, but they need to understand that most of us are just garden-variety DLers, and are not invested in Markle gossip beyond our own forum. We're here for Tig parodies and light-hearted fashion snark; we're not out for blood.

R296 I read their threads during the Oceania tour and it was basically the same stuff as here with people seeing her for who she is but people also seemed tired of talking about them because she causes so much drama every day. While most would rather talk about the other royals who they've been following for years.

I wouldn't be surprised if some Meghan Stans just kept reporting threads and making it impossible to talk. Just like how on here they kept downvoting and getting old Dangling threads shut down.

The Dangling Tendrils threads were some of the funniest on DL for along time. It’s a shame the humorless cunts can’t stand for other people to have a laugh.

I've become convinced that both Harry and Meagan have some real mental health issues. They probably both enable the other. I'm sure the Royal Family does not know what the hell to do? This pairing is just so unhealthy. But ignoring Harry and sending them to isolation out of London is probably not going to work. And they can't keep the help. Hopefully, her mother does move in with them.

Sparkle really is very Trumpian in that I keep thinking she can’t possibly get worse.... then she manages to fuck up again.

I lived in LA a long time, so I’m very familiar with the almost other-worldly flakiness of actor types. But there’s something else here, too. I’d suspect drugs, but would hate to think she’d do that while pregnant.

She’s so extremely disheveled and seems to have NO IDEA how to dress for the occasion. That should be easy enough to fix— even if she’s not a beauty, she surely has people what can AT LEAST tell her what’s right for an occasion.

Enty, who is not necessarily one for veracity, did drop a blind that one of the purposes for the baby shower in New York was a score of drugs Sparkle was collecting as swag and bringing back with her as recreation for after the baby is born.

Meghan would rather traffic drugs from New York on a plane that only she and Amal used (and thus be more easily linked to any potential bust) rather than buying some of the drugs readily available in the UK/Europe? Is it like a Costco trip so she has to buy it in bulk now and store it in the pantry for a few months until after the baby comes? All the better to be caught with it and all that.

The tinhatters who think she's drugged up now make more sense than R305's premise. Maybe enty, or whoever, should cut back on their own recreational consumption.

Let’s go back to the investiture entance video (AKA DL’s own Zapruder film.)

So Sparkle starts talking animatedly to Charles. At one point, she says in a very dramatic, deep voice: “Yeeeeessss, “ with eyebrows raised in surprise.

From Charles’s body language and seeming confusion, I wonder if he asked her, “Are you coming with us? / Oh, they told you to wait here? / oh, they told you to walk in after us?” Or some variation on that.

So Sparkle apparently IMMEDIATELY starts accosting Charles about their ill treatment the minute the group rounds the corner.

That promote William to bark, “Not allowed!”

Man, they must get soooo sick of her shit. And why doesn’t she realize how fucking desperate this makes her look? And why didn’t Charles ask HARRY what was going on? Or did he ask Harry, and Sparkle just horned in?

So many questions!

r307, could you repost a link to it? Thank you

sorry, here’s the link to investiture entrance

Again, the video of the two being the escorted away from the rest of the Royals by Footmen at the Investiture Celebration is astonishing. Start at roughly 2:00 when the RF enters to inspect the Royal Regalia from the Investiture and the Markles attempt to enter with them, with MeAgain actually attempting to enter with Charles ahead of William and Kate after attempting to engage with Charles with a few words. They are intercepted by Footmen, one black in livery and the other in a business suit. Note Harry's head turn when he realizes the rest of the Royals are being allowed to inspect the Regalia but he and Meghan are not, followed by their instruction to follow behind the other Royals into the next room.

LOL! Why are they with William, Charles and everyone if they aren't allowed to go in with the others? Were they not supposed to be in that room at all?

Actually, it looked like the aide was attempting to escort Harry and Meghan out of the room as quickly as possible. He's walking about 6 paces ahead of them trying to coax them into the other room but because H and MM took so long they eventually had to stop to let the senior royals by. We're they just trying to stay in the shot? Or, did they purposely delay in order to make it appear as if they entering the next room as part of the group?

Also, in the video when the aides run up and hold them back, Harry appears to be staring daggers at the back of Kate's head. Does he somehow think that Kate is the reason for their shunning? Does he not realize that whole group have washed their hands of them?

That’s the eternal question, R311.

Did someone fuck up and tell them to wait there, or did they just show up uninvited and loom in the doorway?

Harry hasn’t yet figured out he should hang with Ann et al at these things?

I’m sure the intention was to Have a photo op with the three monarchs inspecting the regalia.

But here comes ole Sparky to insert herself and her addled husband where they don’t belong!

What’s up with Harry’s “after you!” gesture? Does he think Charles needs his permission?!

One theory is that the family had congregated in that room prior to the ceremony but the others such as Anne, Sarah Chatto, etc went to their seats, as planned. Harry and Meghan had probably been instructed to do so, as well, but did not comply. They probably thought HM would relent and let them walk with the group.

Or, maybe not. Notice they positioned themselves so as to ensure they got prime camera time. Meghan's not going to show up to one of these things without thinking of some way to bring attention to herself. The BRF and their aides are going to have to put more forethought into wrangling those two.

Knowing Sparkle, she assumed all the photogs were there for her, and she was being terribly magnanimous by “waiting” for the group so they wouldn’t miss out on being photographed.

I bet I’m not far off.

As consistently as Markle fucks up, you’d think she’d be hiding from the cameras every once in a while.

Especially when they have multiple engagements.

Doesn’t she ever say, “ok, today let’s wear the boring blue sheath dress with a pretty scarf and try to fade into the background. I’m tired!”

[quote] “Harry chose her not despite those characteristics, but because of them. Meghan is Harry's way of acting out

Sorry, he's not that smart.

If things are really bad with William behind the scenes, Markle might take on a “defender” role against William.

I’ve seen this in my own family. Very shortly after my mother’s death, my father brought a totally inappropriate woman into our lives to basically run his life for him and handle various family battles on his behalf.

This woman— who no one even knew— was suddenly flouncing around, bullying people and almost immediately isolating our father from the rest of his family.

I don’t know why she wanted to do this— she in fact had JUST married her third husband when she took up with my father (who eventually became her fourth husband.) The joke is on her because he has nothing and is a total fuckup at life. He can’t even offer companionship- he’s a total asshole..

Hmmm, sound familiar?

Since we're here for pointless bitchery, and nothing is beneath our notice: Post-inspection in R310's video, Harry and Meghan did not appear to be singing "God Save the Queen" with much enthusiasm. I realize the camera is far off, but I could at least see the mouths around them moving; I could not see theirs. (Perhaps Meghan enjoys the song more when she is the center of attention, as in the below video. By the time she reaches the last line, she can't control her smug smile. I'm sure the look she was aiming for was "beatific," but the effect was self-congratulatory. It's remarkably different from "God Save the Queen" as sung by bride Kate and her family, who were all totally somber, and by bride Eugenie, who was touchingly earnest.)

Also, is it just me, or is Meghan blinking irritably starting at 3:13 in that investiture video? She even starts working her jaw at 3:24.

All of that is to say: When the cameras are not directly on them, they give off every impression of not wanting to be there, and not having the slightest interest in anything or anyone around them.

Just watched the video. They made quite the scene! When does William say Not Allowed?

Lol that entrance video was awkward as hell. If harry was still single, would he have been able to go view the stuff with the rest of his family? Maybe he's not used to being relegated to second tier yet.

They've made an enemy in William and he doesn't seem the type to forgive. If they're not planning to exit the firm soon they better do so before granny dies. Charles does not look like he is long for this world and he is less popular than William. Even while he is king, he will be largely overlooked just as he is today. Most of the 'power', such that it is, will be held by William as it will be presumed that he will take the throne in short time and have a long reign. I bet they don't invest much in building his 'Prince of Wales' persona and immediately start building him up as a king in waiting.

All that to say, he will probably use whatever means he has to sideline his wayward brother and his camera-hungry wife. You can tell he's had enough of their shit and will shut it down.

Williams a petty bitch for sure. And you can tell he doesn't like Meghan at all.

He needn't worry too much- the divorce will happen within five years and he can ignore her until then.

I don't know if William is petty or just tired of his family's nonsense. His mother was a headcase he had to console. His father is a useless weakling. It sounds as though he had to raise Harry after Diana dies because no one else was there to pick up the slack. And now his shiftless, addled brother brought the worst-possible person into the business. I think he has just given up on Harry and exhausted with having to deal with all of it. His wife and kids are his priority now. Not some mid-30's slap dick who should have gotten his act together so long ago.

Just like with the wedding, the event was supposed to be about Charles. Instead, they caused a scene and made it about them. She tried to pull the same shit she pulled at Wimbledon, grifting into various boxes. What a shitshow. They need to plan better for containment, although the too short, too tight, no tights, crossed legs look later in the week was astonishing (bitch has too much cellulite to not where hose!)

Markle’s seeming compulsion to charge ahead in every situation reminds me of this girl I used this know.

She was from a very poor family, like 8 kids. But when I knew her, she was an adult doing well, working in academia.

In any group setting, she would literally shove people out of the way to get to food, drinks, the bathroom, whatever she needed. She was rude, sure, but what I found really fascinating was her complete willingness to just reek of desperation at all times.

Markle strikes me the same way. Just DESPERATE like she’s going to DIE if she can’t walk out front, get in front of the cameras first, have all eyes in her, etc.

Not a Diana “please love me” desperation.. A “I have 10 siblings and haven’t eaten in a week, please feed me!” very primal desperation.

It’s quite fascinating.

Markle? Polo!

I do wonder, from watching the family interact the other day, if her defenders are H and C? The Queen and William seem well over her but Charles, has always been wet, according to his parents...

Harry is a mess and she is like a black hole of narcissism.

It will not end well.

Going by the way he jumped at her touch and hurried along when leaving Eugenie's wedding, Charles seems repulsed by her. However, he's weak and probably fears Harry's wrath and so he enables their behavior. If Charles were a more forceful person, none of this would have occurred.

Good lord, Charles looks to frail and doddering these days.

I agree that Charles’s reign will be insignificant. I would feel sorry for him if he weren’t such a failure as a father. You have to work hard to be that shitty.

Charles is pathetic just like his son Harry. No wonder those two cucks are whipped by her. Shes like a cat in a seafood store. In this instance, Im glad William is an unforgiving asshole. Lets hope that is true (that he dislikes Meg). Someone in this circus needs a set of balls. Honestly if I were Wills , who could blame him for not looking forward to be king. Id rather have a quiet life in the country raising children with my rich wife and her more mentally stable family and say fuck all with my blood relatives. Im sure between his drama queen mother, weak no balls father and a perpetually immature, vindictive brother and now his destructive grifter wife, who wouldnt empathize with him a little bit even of he is an asshole. Look how he got there!

In the video of Charles investiture anniversary, it looks like he invited Harry and Meghan in with him. And why not? It was HIS day, after all. Wouldn't he want both of his sons with him? He probably saw Harry standing at the door with his wife and invited them to follow.

I can't say for sure I heard William say "Not allowed". At the very least, he said "loud". But would he be caught on video barking something like "not allowed"...in front of his family?

It is funny how once Harry and Meghan are escorted into the background, William turns to look at them and then turns back to the Kate and Camilla nonchalantly. Then, a few seconds later, as Charles and the Queen finish viewing the table and are ready to head towards the door, the Queen looks over to Harry and Meghan, sees them, and then quickly casts her gaze towards the floor. She's probably thinking. "What the hell are they doing NOW?"

That makes me feel like Harry and Meghan orchestrated this situation. "Oh, you're going to exclude us from this? Well, then, you're going to do it in front of everyone, then!"

I don't blame William for being angry with her. After she's taken everything she can from her new position, taken the mystique away from the family and cheapened it's brand, she'll move on to her next gig. Who's going to be left holding the bag? William. If the public finally decided to do away with the monarchy once Charles is gone, Harry has a lot less to lose. He'd probably welcome William's downfall.

Harry has more to loose than William . William will have money from the duchy stowed away for rainy days . Harry will have his mother s money and nothing else and a wife who’s very willingly will burn trough it . Now he has an additional income from Charles but then it will be zero . Just his inheritance .

William has much to lose. He could either lose his role as king, and those of his son and descendants, or if not, his position could be made all the more difficult and precarious by HazBean's discrediting behaviour. Harry doesn't much like his life or prospects. Perhaps he's going for a 'scorched earth' result, where everyone goes up in flames.

They both have something to lose.

I don’t think William will pity himself when he won.t be king after all . It.s not that he will be poor . As long Charles is king he has the income of the dutchie of Cornwall . So he can save money . Something Harry can.t do .

Harry said back in 2017:

“We are involved in modernizing the British monarchy. We are not doing this for ourselves but for the greater good of the people,” he told the outlet. “Is there any one of the royal family who wants to be king or queen? I don’t think so, but we will carry out our duties at the right time.”

Evidently Smegz is his way of modernizing the monarchy, which he's doing it for the greater good of the people, don't you know.

[quote] Charles is pathetic just like his son Harry. No wonder those two cucks are whipped by her. Shes like a cat in a seafood store. In this instance, Im glad William is an unforgiving asshole. Lets hope that is true (that he dislikes Meg). Someone in this circus needs a set of balls.

From the language, one would think they'd stumbled unto Breitbart or some other alt-right website. R333, are you sure you're in the right place, love?

The language? Haha thats funny. The Royal Dish shut down their HazBean board, and directed posters to DL with a warning how it's known for crass vulgar humor.

IME, DL is home to crass and vulgar language, but not alt-right, misogynistic, racist and inherently homophobic language.

Is the BRF thread a place for posters throwing "cuck" around as an insult? Two dicks in a bed should be a party not an insult on the DL. And which long time DLer is trying to hurt someone with the suggestion that someone else is taking "their" pussy away?

R333 was on point and hilarious. Add something insightful R341 or stop your attempted hall monitoring, frau and gtfo. Blocked.

R341

Shove it up your ass!

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[quote] Shove it up your ass!

🎉🎉🎉 Gladly. 🎉🎉🎉

Wait while I grab my disco ball and portable massage table from the car.

What r343 said.

The same posters here deconstructing the Investiture video to put the worst possible interpretation of it against the DoS would have been the same people deconstructing and defending the video the LA Police beating Rodney King or would have, if on the jury, acquitted those officers.

And, of course, the two situations aren't the same, but, nevertheless, I 've correctly identified the same bigoted attitude and I write this as someone who believes that one can find the DoS distasteful and worthy of criticism and NOT be bigoted because she is bi-racial.

The Dook and Dookess of Sussex are creating a problem for themselves, and by extension, a lesser one for the BRF.

It's ridiculous, as some here are doing, to predict that the D&DoS will cause the BRF to have their existence be put at risk. To those posters, they're both dim-witted attention seekers, however, they're also smart and nefarious enough put the BRF at risk. Which one is it? Both can't be true.

And yes, William looks like a moody, mean, son-of-gun, which oddly, finally makes him interesting to me. He's always been a dullard, but now, not so much. And one can see that he, at the least, is wary of the DoS and has his hands full with PH, which, given what he has to manage in his future, must be another pain-in-the-ass for him.

IBT rehashing of a Telegraph premium story about Harry's WE Day speech.

[quote] The regular rhythm of the Monarchy provides reassurance to many people,” concluding that “the Queen and the Monarchy are a stable fixture in many people’s lives.”

Say no to firing up the youth. The Firm is slow and steady. That is all.

>>>It's ridiculous, as some here are doing, to predict that the D&DoS will cause the BRF to have their existence be put at risk.

If the queen and her biggest group of supporters were younger, that would be true. No one feels the same loyalty to Charles and Camilla. The BRF is no longer on solid ground and combined with the relentless exposure their lives and habits get on the internet, the D and DoS could really be the final straw.

The Mirror returns to the month old People Magazine story like maggots on swamp dead

[quote] The BRF is no longer on solid ground

Not according to every poll ever done R350. The BRF enjoys excellent popularity ratings. Most British people aren't sitting around combing over investiture videos. The daily activities of royals are a blip in their lives, if they register at all.

Also see R226. Removing the monarch as head of state would be costly and destabilizing so they can have what? President Blair? President Cameron?

I'm with Della on this one. Decide if you think M and H are powerful enough to topple a widely popular, 1000-year old, stable institution, or if they're dim-witted narcs moving further away from the nexus of power with each day.

Harry Harry Harry. Marsha Marsha Marsha

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Interpretive version of the speech at R355

Or ....this interpretation

[quote]The Royal Dish shut down their HazBean board, and directed posters to DL with a warning how it's known for crass vulgar humor.

Really?! I love it when outsiders get their panties in a wad over how terrible we are at DL. "No crueler place"!

[quote]Also see [R226]. Removing the monarch as head of state would be costly and destabilizing so they can have what? President Blair? President Cameron?

I'm just a dumb Yank but I think that ship has sailed for both those guys tbh.

R359 That's the point. Why would the British public remove the monarchy to replace it with a useless appointed elder statesman. I highly doubt they'd replace the monarch with an activist elected president in the French or American model but I'm open to being surprised. The people who most complain about Meghan are DM's readers ie those in the 60+ demographic. The majority are also resistant to either of those republican models.

For those who think the BRF will collapse over Meghan's proclivity for spending and grabbing negative headlines, what are those posters suggesting has the political support to potentially replace the monarchy?

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R306 - Private planes used by people like the Clooneys don't get busted. I hadn't thought about the drug angle before the other poster mentioned it. Customs, like every other service in Britain, is overstretched, understaffed, and underpaid. How else do you think Britain has become in the last 20 years the drug capital of Europe? Unless they have good cause or previous form or something like that, no one is going to climb onto the Clooney's private jet and inspect it, and a simply customs declaration of the "gifts" Meghan brought home will be accepted and then they are passed through. No one is going to search Charles's daughter in law.

So it's quite possible. H&M both look ghastly - they have the slovenly I Don't Care Fuck You All look of people living in their own universe, which is typical of habitual drug users. That short skirt, cross legged, no hose, uncombed hair look last week was unpardonable.

The family should had MI6 step in before letting Harry wed such a horrible influence. If anything gives the lie to the conspiracy theories about MI6 and Diana and the black Mercedes, it's the family's comical helplessness as this opportunist grifter slid in to enable Harry's worst habits and attitudes. What a pathetic group of rich weaklings. If the monarchy ends up has-beens within a generation, they'll have only themselves to blame for selling such values as they had out to "modernity".

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Something is wrong with DM today. Is anyone else having trouble posting.

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R350 - Dream on. The polls simply do not support your assertion. It isn't the D and DoS that will do the monarchy in (Harry is sixth in line, remember, nowhere near the succession any longer, although you'd never know it the way Meghan Markle carries herself), but the monarchy's own perceived loss of face in their inability to stop people like Meghan Markle from cheapening their brand so that it is finally indistinguishable from the Kardashians'.

For the "dumb Yank" above (please don't do yourself a disservice) - the Monarch is the Head of State, not the Head of Government, and no Tony Blairs would agree to serve in what is a ceremonial position without power. The Blairs go for the power jugular. We'd get some bland type as "President" as does every other country in Europe with a Head of State Mummy with an office in a former gilded palace in the capital, while the PM or Chancellor wields the real power.

Tony Blair as Head of State - hah, that's a rich one. He's one of the most hated ex-politicians in the country, and has to go about with bodyguards because he hitched his wagon to George Bush's "star" in Iraq. Among other things.

The Sussexes are the symptoms of the danger to the monarchy, not the cause. As I have mentioned before, modern monarchy straddes a very delicate line: how to seem democratic and royal at the same time, and hold onto their privileges and wealth whilst looking as if doing so is a matter of duty and service.

It's a neat trick if you can pull it off. The BRF probably thought Meghan Markle would be part of that strategy. Unfortunately, her Kiss My Arse attitude, which emerged before she even got the wedding ring on last May, is proving to be the opposite of "helpful".

Re the Queen Mother's "real name" - it was her birth name. Her royal title was just as legitimate as her birth name. She was the daughter of the 14th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne, upon her father's succession to the earldom, became Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.

All her titles, Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, then HRH Duchess of York, then Queen Consort, and then Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, are her "real" names.

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A cute photo of The Queen with baby Edward.

Recycle Anne No#1.

Recycle Anne No# 2.

Recycle Anne No# 3.

Recycle Anne No# 4. She's probably the only one of the Queen's children who can still wear her old clothes.

One of my favorite outfits that Anne has worn - EVER.

Family photos of Edward and Sophie.

Sophie gets the right length.

Sophie is the most likable/steady one of the bunch. Too bad she isn't married to Charles.

That’s a very striking picture r398. She was a looker.

R335, that grifter may be a blessing in disguise. After she completes disgracing herself and the institution, William and Kate will have that much more stature. Still, I agree, she's a shame.

The British people may have varying degrees of attachment to various individuals within the institution but they are in the main comfortable with the tradition of that institution.

So they put up with the occasional plonker and Meagantoinette. Princess Margaret endured great periods of disapproval and dislike before sliding into infirm irrelevance. She didn't bring it down. The death of Diana didn't bring it down and but for her sons nobody was on firm ground for that week, not even the Queen. A thousand years if history - in a country that literally sees its history at almost every turn - is a lot to undo. It may not be a passion, but there's a certain clannishness lurks at the bottom of the British heart. Except for the Guardian staff and Jeremy Corbyn et al, the whole package is part of the national character. Care and performance of the institution cannot be neglected, but it is very resilient.

R403, we're not talking about those queens.

The look on his face is priceless. Did Harry lose the polo match or does he really hate William? LOL.

People think Kate is too thin (I agree) but some don't remember how thin Diana, the Princess of Wales was in the days of her eating disorder. Here is a video of her and Charles arriving for a Bond film premiere. She looked gaunt and melancholy.

R405 - spot on - including the bit about the Graun.

A busy week ahead for the royals.

I don’t understand the HRH for the baby business....

Meghan NEEDS the baby to have an HRH post divorce. The Queen has to know that she’ll be accused of being racist if LP’s aren’t issued. Unless Her Majesty really believes that Charles will be pre-decease her, and I can’t believe any mother would entertain that thought willingly, the baby will be an HRH the moment Charles accedes.

Even if Charles then issues letters patent to style the kids as non-HRH, the American media will just ignore it and call the baby prince or princess. So, I don’t see why LP have not been issued.

I knew it would be the blue, R398.

Depending how this plays out, Sparkle may prove to a blessing in disguise. Wallis was vilified for bewitching Edward VIII prompting his abdication and causing a constitutional crisis in order to marry her. In fact, removing the infantile and frivolous Edward in favor of placid Bertie with his picture perfect young family (i.e. ready made heirs-in-waiting) possibly saved the monarchy irreparable harm or even dissolution.

Love the piece by Andrew linked above, hilarious. I think Milo was trying to do this but was not nearly as funny?

Inevitably, the media have been quick to mock Harry as being emasculated by an overbearing wife. But, let’s not forget, masculinity is a disease and Meghan is right to rid her spouse of the symptoms.

If Harry continues along this current trend there is every chance that he might transition to female. I can think of no better way to rejuvenate our stale Royal institution than the introduction of a proud lesbian power couple with a brood of non-binary offspring.

R219 I remember a curious article in VF years ago. Now, they may have just been carrying Harry's water for him - looking back, it seems as if VF has been in Harry's pocket a long time. But, the article concluded that William had set up his life perfectly for an Exit plan should the monarchy not endure. He had married the right wife. He had a career he loved - emergency airlines pilot. Not only plenty of money via his half of Diana's trust (and presumably, when the time comes, his portion of PC's private wealth) but he was embedded with the Middletons, a hugely supportive set of in-laws who provided an escape from dependence upon the BRF. Remember the brief "Dad dancing" scandal in France awhile back? That was courtesy of the Middletons. It was Pippa's hen party, so the Middletons piled the hen party, PLUS William, onto a private charter to France, where William got to "party" with his old friend Guy Pelly in Verbier while Pippa, Kate & Co. skiied and otherwise henned it up about 100 miles away. The media drew upon Guy Pelly's previous reputation to womp up a bit of a scandal before it was recognized Pelly had scored the most respectable and well-behaved American heiress wife possible, and his and William's weekend could not have been more restrained, relatively speaking.

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R407 It's a look that says "I'm a man without any purpose in life, to the point that losing a match is depressing and stressful to me." Let's face it, Harry is seriously dumb and were it not the fact of being born royal, he'd be living on the dole likely blitzed out of his mind with booze/ drugs.

I really like the gay porn posted by our Meghan lunatic troll.

R411 - No, Meghan doesn't need the kids to have HRHs and the Queen doesn't remotely HAVE to make them HRHs and the reason why, at seventh and eighth in line at birth and much farther back later on, they likely won't have HRHs have been explained in endless articles in the Telegraph, the Express, The TIMES, the DM, etc. At this point in the pregnancy, it's also likely the Queen is NO - especially as the Queen knows that once Charles ascends the throne, they'll be automatically elevated to HRHs, even if they go on being called Lord This or Lady That. It will be Charles's headache. And in the unlikely event that Charles predeceases the Queen, the Sussexes can kiss all hope of HRHs goodbye.

Harry is sixth in line. His kids are not entitled to HRHs and their is a sense that there's too many irrelevant HRHs out there already.

And in case you hadn't heard, Meghan and Harry don't WANT "titles" for their kids, so they can live "normal" rich kid lives. The fact that H&M leaked that means that they probably already know that HRHs aren't in the cards for the kids. Just the way Frogmore Cottage in boring Windsor was exactly what urban shopper and Hotel Mark limelight star Meghan Markle WANTED for herself.

So I think the HRH unlikely. We could still be surprised, but if I had to put money on it, I'd say NOT.

To be fair R420 it looks less appetizing than a Subway sausage and egg on white 6 inch. Bland.

*Lord, my grammar!

THERE is a sense that. . . .

R421

Some of the comments on the page linked at R417 are hilarious:

[quote] "Trace anything suspicious " It's right in front of their noses wearing a moonbump. Remove same and limit actions to cooking chickens.

[quote] Unbelievable the royal family is taking up arms against the public. Still, let's not kid ourselves, there's not much chance of the new IT recruit staying long in the job.

[quote] It seems to me the police should have enough to contend with without rounding up and jailing all those who dislike the narcissistic actress and the psychobabble she spouts.

[quote] Sycophants only need apply...

[quote] What kind of "expert" do they think they'll get for 22k/yr?

[quote] Troll Hunters will be the next Marvel movie

I hope the kids get the HRH and Meghan gets a promotion to Head Princess, just to watch you bitches be rendered speechless.

R425 - There is no such thing as "Head Princess".

There are no "promotions" except through unanticipated deaths.

If her kids got HRHs they would still be irrelevant in 20 years, just the way HRH Princess Beatrice and HRH Princess Eugenie are.

A hereditary monarchy is only about birth order.

If William dropped dead tomorrow morning, his three kids would still be in line ahead of Harry - who would be the one getting one step up, not his wife. He holds the title by blood, she's just a married-in arriviste.

The only way Meghan Markle gets a "promotion" is if she fulfills her private fantasy of knocking off William and his three children and jumping her husband up into place to succeed Charles.

Which some of us believe her quite capable of if she thought she could get away with it.

[quote] and Meghan gets a promotion to Head Princess

I never know if people who post comments like this are for real.

Perhaps they are just trolling for fun.

If not, wow. Just wow.

R426 might want to look up troll in a dictionary.

[quote] troll (somebody/something) to write false or insulting messages in Internet chat rooms, blogs, etc. in order to make other people angry

[quote] Someone keeps posting snide comments on the forum, trolling for a reaction.

[quote] Someone trolled me every day this week, each time posting the same obnoxious message on my blog.

[quote] It looks like kids are intentionally trolling these blogs and trying to get a reaction from the adults who write them.

R528 - Physician, heal thyself.

That was meant for R428 - Physician, heal thyself.

R429

[quote] There is no such thing as "Head Princess"

I know there's no such thing as "Head Princess," you pedantic twat. If you guys can't recognize obvious trolls, why do you think that you can figure out what's going on behind the scenes in the British Royal Family?

I think R425 was just being funny. I larfed.

R225 I agree it's Harry they're kicking out of London. As others have said, he married Markle and weaponized her against the BRF. He has more access than she does and they want to shut them both out, but mostly Harry. She's just the plus one.

All the stories of Harry's antics with women, I'm beginning to think were just PR. His Vegas trip looked like a lads getaway more than anything else with the ubiquitous Adam Bidewell front and center (or with his head between Harry's legs).

Audra McDonald defends Meghan.

Audra is putting women's mags and pillow baby tinhatters on notice.

The real question is, will she play herself in the Broadway musical?

R433 Adam Bidwell (note correct spelling) is only ubiquitous in your mind - and I say this as someone who is a huge fan of beefy Welsh ex rugby players.

You need to get your head around the fact that straight men can be friends with other straight men, can work with them, hang out with them and travel with them. It happens all the time. It may not be your experience in your very narrow parochial world, but that doesn’t make it less true.

Perhaps Philip acted as "The Enforcer" or at least acted to encourage the Queen to act in previous situations.

For example, when Charles hired the PR guy who threw William and Harry (and Edward) under the bus in order to raise the positive image of Camilla. The Queen eventually intervened and the PR guy was let go.

(Watch the documentary "Reinventing the Royals" - two parts on Youtube.)

With Philip retiring, perhaps his counsel and advice is missed by the Queen.

R436

I think it is very plausible that with Philip out of the picture, is the reason things are spiralling downwards.

If so, I would hope that the Queen relies on The Princess Royal to step up to "The Enforcer" role.

She would probably relish the job.

I dont think Anne has the same moxie as her father. She may be a chip off the old block in some regard but ascerting herself in Charles' affairs regarding his sons and their wives might be a stretch. Maybe Im wrong. Who knows. All I know if she is the "enforcer" she is doing a terrible job of it.

Anne doesn't seem like the "enforcer" to me. More like one of those people who quietly, disapprovingly stand back and let the perps slowly hang themselves, which she knows they'll do eventually. She seems more like somebody who plays the long game, like all the matriarchs in that family.

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Let's not underestimate how much damage one person can do. Yes, she's up against 1500 years of tradition and ritual and all that jazz. But one individual chipping steadily away, year after year, could certainly undermine and weaken the monarchy to the point of no return.

That was posted above, R442. Whoever takes that incredibly ill-paying job will undoubtedly be looking at it in terms of other benefits, eg, discovering the hidden secrets of the BRF.

>>R441

I can't stand Meghan but Eugenie's dress last week was as short as,maybe shorter than Meghan's.

Eugenie isn't thirteen months pregnant, R445. And she didn't sit down, as a pregnant woman, in her short dress and almost reveal not only her holiest-of-holies but her fucking cellulite as well.

R445 I don't know which event Eugenie was attending (pics?) but I think Meghan's dress was quite short to be on a stage where the audience is lower so the hemline looks even higher.

R446 Kate wore similar hemlines while pregnant R257 R400. She's had many a near miss and also gone beyond "almost" to fully flashing her bottom at the world, repeatedly. We clutched our pearls in horror and then quietly moved on to the next sartorial (mal)function for her and others.

Multiple events this week. New outfits to bitch about.

I didn't mind when Kate did it because she has a great body, even pregnant. The same cannot be said for Pumbaa.

R445 wasn't commenting on your personal preference. It was an observation about skirt lengths worn by royal women.

But this is DL so 🤷

Be quiet, R449.

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A cellulite flaunting skirt is the perfect garment to display the embryonic kicking of feminism at a women's panel. A list of participants there identifies her as "Megan Markle, wife of the Pres...."

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She has a very misshapen form, with her father's torso atop, no tits or waist, and a wide low speading bottom. Clothes don't fit her correctly in the best of times

R397 and her old hair...

Really don't get the Anne love. Her character on The Windsors strikes me as very accurate.

How can her fingers have swollen when the ring was too big last week? It's always been too big in my opinion. Is she wearing all the other tat that goes with her thumb ring, today?

R439 - Anne may have her father's moxie but she doesn't have his clout, either with the Queen or the court. She just doesn't matter that much, and I suspect the Queen has always favoured her sons, anyway.

For some reason I have a soft spot in my heart for people who are a bit peevish, and Anne is. The Fug girls do a hilarious bit on her being a detective because she's always giving people the side eye.

They are trying to tell us the MARRIAGE is OVER!

Never fear Haz, your wife's drug and drink ban will be over as soon as she pops that squirrel out. It won't be long...

That coat is atrocious, r453. The fabric looks like the upholstery of a '70s couch. The appliques clash with the fabric. The collar looks ridiculous (on everyone, not just Meghan). It's wrinkled in the back. In addition, midi-length coat sleeves look so stupid and non-functional. She wears this length often and probably does so because it makes her look less engulfed due to her small frame. But this length just makes her look bird like. She would do better to wear normal-length sleeves that are tailored to her arms.

Also, that color does no favors for her skin. It makes her skin look sallow. (TBF, most people cannot wear green.)

r438 I LOVE the idea of Princess Anne as the total enforcer! She's certainly not one for suffering fools and she seems to achieve a delicate balance between being forthright and practical /careful in her approach to family relationships etc

It would be lovely to have P. Anne more in the mix. Come through Annie!

Yup, MeMe wears 3/4 skeeves too often. I expect any say to see a note on her forearm THIS SPACE FOR RENT.

Any DAY

She can fly away in that coat !

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Photos and a video of Harry and Meghan's visit to Canada House in London. She really, really tries so hard to appear interested with the children.

The copying of her late mother-in-law Diana outfits is getting creepy now.

Now, she thinks she's Jackie Kennedy.

Photos of her white outfit for Commonwealth Service at Westminster Abbey.

MM's outfit actually looks decent, but that HAT. Jesus.

Photos of Kate and William arriving at Westminster Abbey.

Kate in red.

Camilla is looking regal in purple.

Will & Kate.

So, the senior royals all dressed in jewel tones today.

Meg's slut shoes. Are the labels still suppose to be on?

Her face is swollen.

Today's chapeau is less Jackie for me, more Barbra-dates-Pierre-Trudeau tribute.

R481, what are those things on the soles of her shoes? They look like reflectors. Which would actually be a pretty useful feature, for both the dance floor and walking home at night in the dark. They kind of look like those devices that trigger the store alarm when someone tries to shoplift.

Part 28 with poll is up for use when this thread reaches 600 posts.

I think the buttons are a little too big and there are too many of them but overall Kate looks great.

MEagain will do anything to look taller - slut shorts, big pillbox hats...It's not a flattering style.

Maybe it's an homage to ye olde nursing profession?

Kate's red outfit by Catherine Walker is recycled.

Lots of photos here in Westminster Abbey. Look where the Hazbeans are seated.

They're all playing happy family today. Even Charles is making it a point to chit chat with Meghan. Must keep up the facade.

The Royal Kissing Extravaganza! Did I miss Camilla giving Harry and Meg a kiss? Not much talking to THOSE TWO ROGUES.

Kate looks fabulous, Meghan's pillbox hat looks awful on her. Meghan's green outfit earlier was also awful, she looks like a giant Christmas ornament - had the trim been black velvet rather than sequins, it might have been redeemed - and green is one of her least flattering colours.

This has degraded to a Harry and Meghan thread...

The royal procession into the Abbey. Harry and Meghan seem to be snickering like children. William should have turned around and yelled "Not Allowed". LOL.

Oh here is the Camilla/Charles kissing the Sussex couple.

Why on earth are they playing 'happy family' so obviously today?

Harry jamming to the music. Meghan looking like a painted geisha.

Geez can spot her highlighter from space in those photos.

The Queen in regal purple.

It is interesting in that video that HazBean are caboosed by Prince Andrew in the procession. Do the Fuckups need a nurse maid/chaperone for solemn events now?

Her messy hair.

R465 R466 Yes to all that. In my fantasy Britain, Princess Anne would be next in line for the throne. She would make a SUPERB Queen. I'm totally serious...

There's always time for a photo.

Ha, r504, love the kid in the Vancouver jersey who gives no fucks about the photo and is going to get his treat.

Camilla and the Queen are on the same team!

Watching the processional at r495, Harry and Meghan look smug as ever and Kate and William look depressed. I guess H&M think they've accomplished something by being so warmly greeted by the rest of the family.

It doesn't mean shit but on this Instagram page they have stills of the Cambridges and Sussexes greeting each other and William kisses Sparkle on both cheeks. Playing happy family indeed.

R497 - Answer: to offset the optics from the Commonwealth event at Buck House that clearly went viral. Happy Families is their stock in trade and they clearly realised they have to circle the wagons - again - because of Harry and Meghan.

You people are reaching...Meghan and Harry don’t look smug at all.

I suppose they shouldn't air their dirty laundry in public, r509. Even with all the perks their positions allow, it must be a bitter pill to swallow to have to pretend to be in good relations with this phony grifter.

Actually, Harry looks a bit toasted already.

Why did MEME have to change into a whole 'nother outfit for the service? Couldn't she just have put a hat on it? Like that poo emoji one. She could have recycled it and demonstrated resourcefulness.

How can Charles not see through this fake woman? The Idiot Prince.

Camilla and William are trying not to burst out laughing while Kate is giving the Hazbeans the evil eye. LOL.

Warpaint and sweat are not a good look.

I can't decide about the hat - Jackie pillbox, nurse or flight attendant?

R517 - Total Sue Barton, RN. Or are you all too young to remember this?

She looks ghastly and the amount of makeup she has on borders on whorish.

r514, I hope this is all an act so that they can say they treated her well once she is gone. Hopefully, they intend to sideline the Sussexes after the baby is born. They have to watch their step otherwise people will complain that they're being mean to a pregnant lady.

I. for one, was happy with the Commonwealth Day optics. The Commonwealth is HM's greatest pride, so I'm glad her family could muster up a show of support. If it's all false, so what. I'm an American, but would love to be part of the Commonwealth. We share so much.

Our OP was just greyed out. We all need to give him WWs to salvage his reputation. Don't succumb to the haters.

Looking at the longer feed of the greetings, Camilla barely says hi to the Sussexes and heads straight back to Kate to chat. She did her requisite duty and then she let her true feelings be known. Charles was then left to continue talking with Harry and Meghan lest things appear awkward. I would love to hear what they say in private.

I come here to talk about Princess Anne, Queen Mary and occasionally, about Harry and Meghan, but Harry and Meghan get mentions because they're always in the tabloids. The Dangling Tendrils threads kept that discussion separate, but they were no longer allowed. I think that was a mistake, We're normal humans, who are going to chat. Anyway, support your OP, and don't let him face oblivion.

I absolutely hate what Kate's wearing.Does anyone else feel this way? NO,not a Meghan fan.

Some vague comparisons to the Sparkle and Dim story.

Last night - Bingo!

Godfather Park II. The big party for Anthony's First Communion.

"I was passed over, Mike."

The Duke of York arrived with the Queen.

Photos that show that the ladies are making nice but the royal Dukes are not playing the game.

The blinking Cambridges.

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"That bitch is walking in front of me and stealing my thunder".

MEGantoinette having evil thoughts of tripping Kate.

Beside each other and yet so far apart. Will is looking outside and Harry is smirking at no one in particular.

Kate's red outfit looks better from the side.

Camilla is looking haggard.

Here's a better photo of Camilla.

This is a link to a Piers Morgan screen cap on tumblr. It doesn't capture the entire post, but I think can be found from there. Anyway, Piers says:

"It involved [Harry] in his bachelor days several years ago, stumbling drunk into a West club full of footballers and celebrities, partying like a madman, including jokily snogging one of the famous men...."

Me: Including jokily snogging one of the famous men.

Now, this is a Harry Piers sees nothing wrong with - stumbling drunk into places and macking on dudes. I just don't think this is something William did during his partying days, but when it's Harry twisting a nip, biting same, or kissing a dude on the lips - he ain't gay! No, not at all! I mean, it's not even in the mix to think about!"

And of course, Piers thinks a routinely obliterated out of his mind Harry is just lad Harry, bloke Harry, a real man, while "woke" Harry is horrible.

Both are horrible. Harry's an alcoholic. Hypocritically and arrogantly bleating on about plastics, the "most engaged generation in history" and all that just after his wife took a jet trip worth hundreds of thousands for a completely unnecessary baby shower - the baby shower was just an excuse to parade faux star power - is also deplorable. But one is not fun, good old Harry, while the other is sanctimonious Harry. It's two sides of the same coin, and the drunk who likes to act out with dudes and the pissy, useless, empty headed hypocrite are two sides of the same coin.

R529, it's R535 here - I didn't see you there!

But right?

Harry's in plain sight and people are - WHEN? WHEN? Have there been gay rumors about Harry! All his guy on guy acting out just proves even more how heterosexual he is!

The Commonwealth were mostly colonies that were subjugated by Great Britain, so despite the U.K. trying for the one big happy family attitude, it doesn't bring a tear to my eye.

R531 The definition of a clenched jaw on William if ever I saw one.

Yes, and Harry and Meghan look like they're laughing at his expense, r538.

Whenever Markle is around Camilla always looks as if she's going to burst, and she just has to pigeonhole somebody sympathetic (usually Kate) to relieve her mind. Easy to understand. More than even for most people, Markle has to be a Good Christ! experience for Camilla.

He who laughs last, R539 and in this case it will assuredly be William.

I'm seeing Meghan's pillow belly jiggle out of sync with the rest of her all over the internet. There's gifs, diagrams, all sorts. Why don't people understand she can be pregnant AND padding the shit out of her midsection and boobs to achieve the great with child/Madonna silhouette she wants to sell? With her build she's more the sort to square off when pregnant, so she's helping nature along. It doesn't mean there's not an actual pregnancy somewhere under there. She can be doing both things. She wouldn't be the first.

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I don't think Harry was ever more popular than Wills except in the American media. Wills marriage to Kate got much bigger ratings than Harry's to Meghan's, and far more petitions and filings for street closings and parties. Harry seemed pseudo American - party loving, outgoing, playing to the camera, so he was constantly sold to the U.S. However Kate and Will remain far more respected, and, IMO, more popular despite the whole stan aspect of the Harry fandom that isn't as present with Will and Kate.

That day can't come soon enough, r541. William and Kate have to put up with this shit show that was none of their making. At this point, I don't even care about Meghan. She owes nothing to these people and HM and Charles were fools for letting her in. But Harry has really become distasteful in my eyes. It's as if he is angry at William for being born first.

The overcompensating ginger idiot is jelly jelly JEALOUS of William. Always will he never be good enough, let alone compete with his better brother.

R541. Uh, ok. I’ll play, who else celebrity wise has obviously padded their bump and STILL actually been pregnant and not relying on a surrogate. Probably no one unless they were mentally ill. Your insistence she’s actually pregnant is hilarious! People with $$$ use surrogates all the time, why blow out your body.

The Duke of York has certainly been spending quality time with Mom of late (not long ago was a pic of them out riding).

R545 and the bullshit of it all is Harry thinks he should be able to compete with William without actually doing one fucking thing to keep him in the game. Just basic attention-seeking tabloid gambits.

R524 - I think it's the buttons. I haven't checked yet, but I'm sure Kaiser at Celebitchy was just all over the buttons.

The thing is, Kate looks good in this colour and silhouette, the hat is adorable, but the buttons definitely are cause for questioning and otherwise perfectly nice and appropriate outfit.

I think it's a tossup between Kate's buttons and Meghan's truly horrendous pillbox hat and brothelesque makeup.

"Bloody hell, is that rogue bitch still smiling like she's up to no good behind my back?"

Kate doesn't know what to say when she saw this dress.

MM had her previous husband draw up a pregnancy contract, i.e. he would have to pay for her to have the best nutritionists, dieticians, trainers, all sorts of hocus pocus, to get her back to shape. But never conceived in all that time. And yes, I've read all about the claims she made to even previous men that she couldn't conceive. It's all very mysterious gurl.

This out gets THREE horrid points.

This is the HORRID green dress that was worn under the HORRID green coat by the HORRID rogue woman.

That is all.

R535 - My favourite bits out of the vicious (and in my view, spot on) Morgan piece is this:

"He wants to ‘keep empathy alive’ but that doesn’t seem to extend to people like his broken-hearted father-in-law Thomas Markle, who’s been left to swing in the wind of media scrutiny, and been ghosted by his daughter, without Harry even bothering to meet him.

As for the Prince’s rally-cry to save the planet, how does that sit with the revelation that just two days before his speech, Harry got a $10,000 helicopter ride to Birmingham from London, when a train could have got him there in just over an hour?

Or with the fact his wife borrowed George Clooney’s private jet to speed across the Atlantic after her ludicrously extravagant $500,000 baby shower?

By letting his wife change him in such a dramatic and unsettlingly PC-crazed way, he’s doing himself no favours at all."

Morgan makes no bones about the fact that Meghan quite obviously wrote the speech.

I love this Brazilian Aquamarine tiara worn by the Queen. Here are multiple photos of this beauty.

Kate loves all shades of blue - from navy to powder blue. Here are photos of some of her outfits over the years.

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Dayum, MEghan looks like a beached whale right now bloated from rot!

Sophie the Countess of Wessex as a child.

R557 - WTF is Torontopaper?

Perhaps a Commonwealth Service is not the place to wear a dress apparently decorated in chains.

Sophie looks like a baby Diana in R559 's picture.

Yeah, R560 I was just thinking to myself, when did chains become a fashion motif (other than Chanel)? It's all brilliantly choreographed by our mocking overlords.

Wow, R550, if ever a woman had Resting Bitch Face, it's Duchess Kate. Every so often the mask slips.

And I am Team Kate, btw.

These days the Commonwealth is a voluntary membership. Several countries who exited have rejoined. No one is forced to remain.

My Basic Rule of Relationships that Seem Incomprehensible to Outsiders: "If they're not getting out of something, it's because they're getting something out of it" (however dark and destructive that something may be) - it applies to the Commonwealth today.

And to Harry and the Grifter ("Up on the roooooffff. . . ")

I for one would love to see some sharp edges show up now and again with the Cambridges.

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Love Kate, hate the buttons, wish she'd gain five solid pounds.

Harry would probably love to deck Piers. If they ever met in public, I bet there's a good chance there'd be a scuffle.

Hmmm...the queen's tiara at R555 would have gone great with Diana's aquamarine ring that Meghan wore after her wedding.

Just glanced through the Commonwealth event pix on DM. Everyone looks pale and haggard.

R569 - Except for Sparkle, who's got enough war paint on her and the other three royal ladies.

demmit - on FOR her and the other three royal ladies.

Right you are, R568 - Meghan should have demanded the aquamarine tiara to go with the ring.

Someone on the thread mentioned Kate is looking a bit like Karen Carpenter. It's literally true. Not saying she has an eating disorder, but she's certainly very thing and facially she is resembling Karen.

^ "thin," obviously

There's a question if the Aquamarine ring is THE Aquamarine ring. The butterfly earrings, claimed to be Diana's, are definitely not those worn by Diana's. Of course there have been a zillion close-ups of the ring to compare it to Diana's ring, but only one close-up I saw showed that the one Markle wore was different than Diana's, and as I've never been able to find that particular close-up comparison again, I can't be certain.

I'm not a big fan of Kate's clothing style but I know a lot of young women of the non-Kardashian but ALSO the non-trend follower stripe who still want to look appropriate, modest, and polished, love how she dresses. It IS very QE II - lots of bright solids with almost but-not-quite costumey detail like lots of buttons. I just wish she'd mix it up with something other than pumps, however expensive the pumps.

Meghan, OTOH, her clothing style is imcomprehensible to me except to say that the clothes wear her seems fair.

I also feel that Megsey strapped on the extra large moonbump a bit too early in the game and now is lugging around something inert looking. I don't know what the hell or why the hell it looks like nothing is actually happening under there. Maybe because her joints are as skinny as ever - even her fingers have her wedding ring still sliding around on it. Her face is fuller but also has an injected look - so is it filler or is it baby? She hasn't added a chin or any weight in the neck that would indicate overall gain in the face. It's just the shape.

My next-door neighbor called me, to check in on me. I told him I had called into to work today, and was taking the day off to celebrate Commonwealth Day. He had never heard of the Commonwealth, so I tried telling him it consisted of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and several other countries. He was nonplussed. When I told him Queen Elizabeth was head of the Commonwealth, he had no idea who the Queen was! I told him she was the Queen over everyone who speaks English, and that seemed to make sense to him. I think he could hear my voice getting throaty with emotion. I suppose I get why people hate these threads, but please, give us a place to live out our majesties without interference.

R578 Ok. How in the world can someone have no idea who the Queen is? As funny as that idea is. Was he raised by wolves? Is he really young?

Is it true that the Queen fertlizes her rosebushes at Windsor with her own excrement? I read that but I can't remember where I read it.

R575 It is most certainly the aqua that Diana bought to replace the iconic sapphire engagement ring. That ring is too big for Meghan's hand, anyway.

I'm still very curious to know what became of the Queen Mother's huge oblong Kashmir sapphire engagement ring. She replaced it very quickly with a large South Sea pearl ring surrounded by diamonds and I don't know why, as of all the earth's sapphires, the Kashmir, in my opinion, is the most beautiful colour, and the Queen Mum was know for appreciating sweet colours like this.

After Charles gave Camilla the Queen Mother's huge emerald-cut diamond, I half-expected Harry to pull out his great-grandmother's engagement ring for Meghan - but that would have been two sapphire engagement rings for both brothers' wives, I suppose.

I'm sure Kate's sapphire is top quality Burmese or something like that, but if you gave me a choice between hers and the Queen Mum's original engagement ring, I'd take the Kashmir sapphire in a heartbeat. It was a classier Art Deco setting, too.

Not convinced R581, not since it was insisted the butterfly earrings were Diana's when a close-up inspection showed they weren't. A blurry shot of a big ass blue ring in the same general shape and setting of Diana's could be anybody's ring, and Megs' claims, made through surrogates or whatever, are not enough to convince. Why Harry wouldn't just give it to her if it were his to give beats me, but the butterfly earrings are enough to need more evidence.

I don't like Diana's engagement ring. I felt badly for Kate that she got stuck with the engagement ring that launched a notoriously failed marriage, and I thought the ring itself, no matter what the quality of the stone, was kind of unimaginative in design, flat, basic, uninteresting. There are sapphires from one of the sapphire heydays - 1930s Hollywood -that are more glamorous/beautiful, IMO. I've since felt a bit better when I realized the BRF tends to recycle their rings, engagement and otherwise, no matter what the status of the relationship they came from.

Camilla's engagement ring, OTOH, kicks ass. What a rock. Although I also like the queen's engagement ring, supposedly designed by Prince Phillip.

R579, He's an older African-American gentleman. He's very sweet, and very protective of me. He always tells me he loves me, and that I need to call him if I'm having trouble. He knew I'd never insult him.

R578

[quote] He's very sweet, and very protective of me. He always tells me he loves me, and that I need to call him if I'm having trouble.

He knows you're bound to die of fright, scared of your own shadow, at any moment, and he wants your stuff (except for the royal family commemorative plates, which he will donate to Goodwill).

R582 - It's quite different from the Diana/Kate ring - the latter is a an oval cut, the aqua is a square-cut, and the colours are very different - and the BRF would probably have swiftly denied it if the aqua weren't Diana's.

I initially felt as you do toward Diana's ring - it's really a cocktail ring, and Diana said later she chose it from the tray "because it was the biggest". Like the design she chose for her wedding gown, it reflected immature tastes. But I've grown fonder of it over the years.

That said, were I a woman I would much rather have had the Queen Mum's or Camilla's - that huge emerald cut is a knockout, and like the Queen Mum's it has an Art Deco look I much prefer. I think the Queen Mum's ring, of which there are almost no photos, had stepped emerald cut diamonds on the shoulders.

Yum.

Once again, we need to circle our wagons, and protect our OP with WWs. The header just got greyed out again. That sucks.

R580 - Yes, exactly at midnight on Midsummer's Eve. She also leaves a complimentary bowl of milk under the roses for the Little People, who in appreciation cloak HM with a mist so that no one else can see what she's doing.

Still so strange to think Charles and Camilla are married, at least for those of us who were around during the Diana years. I wonder if, ironically, Camilla and Charles feel there are still "three of us in the marriage."

R565 - Why, wasn't William's treatment of Sparkle last week at the Commonwealth event at Buck House sharp enough?

Or did you mean sartorially?

R567 Harry strikes me as a swing-and-a-miss sort. Then his RPOs surge forward to manhandle whomever while redfaced Harry pretends he would have made Piers eat his words.

Facts are facts. Meghan polished a Daddy's girl narrative, the best and most generous daddy in the world, paid for everything, gave her every opportunity, and of course gave her a show business pedigree she amplified to the nth degree. "I grew up on sets!" But the real thing couldnt live up to the billing - long retired, scruffy, most of his money went thataway. The real him wasn't on brand. So she ghosted him. But nobody KNEW she ghosted him until Harry said his family was the "Family Meghan never had." Whereupon those familiar with Meghan's output were "WTF"? Harry dug in. Then her dad did a pap crawl. And the rest followed. But setting aside Meghan exploited her father's background when it helped burnish her image, and setting aside Meghan did herself did pap set ups and pap walks (the most notorious of which we see her setting up in those IG pics), her dad reacted to Meghan/Harry, not Meghan/Harry reacted to Harry. THEY did the first insult by denying he was family or counted as family. No pap stuff until that happened.

The person graying out is the same person who grayed out the tendrils thread into oblivion. Same attempts to divert the conversation. Look, if the other royals were grubbing for attention as hard as Meghan is, they'd fill up these threads too. But they don't. Someone ACTIVELY acting out, both on her own and via surrogates, is going to engage discussion a whole lot more than vintage pics of other royals or a comparison of the blue Kate wore. None of that diversion shit is gossip - or current gossip.

Why o earth would Camilla and Charles feel as if there were three in the marriage? In any event, there were more than three. There were all the guys Diana was fucking. Her narrative was always self-serving.

But again, this reads like, "Topic! Charles and Camilla - are they solid after all these years!" invented to divert from a topic that exists in the present and is alive every day in the tabloids and social media. Not just Smeggy, but Harry.

r588, are the Little People Irishmen or Polacks? I've read conflicting reports. Thanks.

R592 - They are the shadows of the Old Religion that Christianity overrode when it came in, and if I were you, I'd watch my language, or you'll wake up with a pig's tail sticking out of your arse tomorrow morning.

R556 demonstrates that Kate has worn some pretty ugly things too.

I like discussing Meghan, but since internet/social media wasn't around during the Charles-Diana-Camilla days, I also like rehashing that one. It's not a "diversion" tactic, ffs.

Meghan likes being talked about - public interest is oxygen to her.

We do try to talk about the others, but they don't suck the air out of the room the way Meghan does. Why would DL be an exception to this phenomenon?

It is what it is, as they say.

But just think, DLers, what a grand thread we'll have when HM is raptured! (Meaning disrespect or ill-wishing toward Her Majesty).

^*Oh fuck, I meant, of course, meaning NO disrespect or ill-wishing toward Her Majesty.

R596

The "chains" pattern is awful, something you'd find on a Walmart dress. A subliminal message of some sort?

Well, r598, this was a day to celebrate their former colonies, so chains are apropos.

Here's a wild idea - what if H&M's surrogate got pregnant and then shortly afterwards, MM got pregnant. Could this account for MM wearing the Moonbump to make it look like she is carrying twins since there will be 2 babies born?

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R598 - I agree it has a Macy's sort of look to it, Meghan's dress, and the pillbox hat is a particularly unfortunate note. She looks like something from a 1960s American sitcom.

R600 - "Wild" is too weak a word for your idea. Really.

R601 - She is eight months' pregnant and her fingers are probably swelling rapidly now. It is quite common for women to have to take off their wedding sets at this point in pregnancy.

Nothing irks me more than miss-aligned patterns. Its one of the hallmarks of poor quality.