Real Housewives of New York City Season 11

March 6th!

Jason apologizes to Bethenny in court

Can't wait to see OG Jill's triumphant return!!!

BLOCKED R3!!! Oh god, don't even tease that idea.

Woooo this season came quick. And why wasnt Barbara added as a main housewife?

What little gossip I I heard about Barbara is she didn't test well and she did not test well right out of the gate which is why we only saw a few pictures of her here and there

I am a boss, bitch!

Is it true there something revealed about Dennis in the premiere that the family is pissed about?

r8 B tried to both suppress what went down with Dennis and yet played up The Widow Shields. I think the "true" widow got pissed at Bethenney's posturing and shut her down. Just as well, because TWS could have faced some problems for very likely having "party favors" of her own. I don't blame Jason for wanting her to get drug tested, I would, if I was in his situation, though they are both assholes.

How bad does it have to go if you don't test well when someone like Tinsley is still in the cast?

Tinsley is a harmless bimbo and the least NY of all the women. Not sure why she is there? Younger audience? She is like wallpaper.

Here is the trailer again for anyone who wasn't in the last thread

Apparently, apart from her friend LuAnn none of "the girls" liked Barbara. Bethenny in particular was adamant that Barbara not be part of the show. I wonder if that has anything to do with LuAnn's animosity toward her.

Re Dennis Shields' wife: they had been separated for some time, although they were still legally married when he died. I thought it was ridiculous for her (and Bethenny too) to assume the grieving widow role to the extent she did.

r11, I expected them to maybe use Tinsley to introduce younger women or at least feature some of her "socialite" friends, but they have not tried that at all in three seasons.

r14 "Word on the street" is that when The Tinz got divorced from Mortimer, she was socially dead.

I think we all know which HW needs to make a return

I think we all know which HW needs to make a return

And don't think she's not making that pitch, r16/r17.

She's still batshit crazy, though--albeit batshit crazy now with bolt-ons.

r14: this not news.

Oh god...I would almost prefer Jill. Though Ms. Jellybeans might bring the right sort of crazy.

No...no...talk me out of this you guys.

Aviva is also making a play to come back to the show. Attention, even negative attention, is like oxygen to these women.

SNAP OUT OF IT, r19!!!! Kelly was truly awful from day one till her last day, and not awful in a fun way.

I would take two Tinsleys, one Jellybean and a 1/8 of a Jill, before I took on a single Aviva.

Ugh. No Jellybean, no Aviva.

I can ignore Tinsley. I would prefer never to see Jill again. But the other two--NO.

Aviva was always "acting". She never seemed naturally comfortable.

I agree, r24.

And then there's the problem of her revolting father.

No thread would be complete without...

I cannot believe that custody case is still going on. Can't these two just fucking give up the bullshit and put the kid first?

Custody cases are rarely about the kid.

NY is so much more fun to watch than BH.

I will say it. BF hates that her kid looks like Jason. Much like Jeff Lewis, BF expected to have the perfect looking kid, and that did not work out. Monroe looks like a 56 head with no hair, and BFs kid looks...unfortunate. Don't @ me or R me, it's the truth. BF has had a fuckton of surgery just to get rid of her bulimia jaw and an assorted other messes. She truly is like her mother.

I thought it was odd that we haven't see Bethenny on any talk shows promoting the season.

Hot daddy Mario makes several appearances

Damn their custody battle is ridiculous. Can't they just move one? So fucking dumb. How much $$ did Jason get?

Jason got millions.

They can't move on. They're both control freaks. And at least as far as Jason's concerned, the kid is the only leverage he has with Bethenny and he really does seem to need to stick it to her as much as possible.

Bethenny is a saint, don't you know? A woman who thinks only of others and whose calm demeanor belies her strong womanly behavior. Her marriage and childbirth were altruistic expressions of her love.

Nobody is saying Bethenny is a saint, or even a good person. But she didn't send 500 abusive emails and texts in a single 24 hour period like Jason Hoppy did, R35.

These bitches are finally back tomorrow!!

Text messages are revealed

Dennis had been previously accused of rape? I hadn't heard that before.

I'm with Jason on it being incredibly inappropriate for Bryn to travel with Dennis alone, rape accusations or not. I recall Dennis would also babysit Bryn on his own. Isn't that what the nannies are for? Knowing what we do about Dennis' drug use, it is a very bad look that Bethenny allowed/encouraged this.

If it was simply about Dennis, I might be on Jason's side. But he has proven he is just as unstable as Bethenny seems.

r13, something must change mid-filming because Bethenny/Luann/Barbara were filming in the beginning, so it didn't seem like she "blocked" her from joining.

Drug test B and she'll lose the kid.

It's great that they started filming a little earlier so you more of the Hamptons and some of fashion week like the old days.

I'm curious to see why this Barbara chick didn't work out and what LuAnn and Bethenny back to being enemies (I mean, other than the fact that they don't like each other lol).

Profile on Sonjarita

Did Jill and Bethenny actually film together, or was that just a rumor? It's odd that they would show that in the preview.

r39, the article didn't say the rapist ex boyfriend was Dennis. There may have been another man in her life.

r46, I think I read somewhere that Jill and Bethenny filmed a "moment" together in which they commiserated over their dead loved ones.

r13, I know I read somewhere that Bethenny actively opposed Barbara, but it may have been after early filming because they did film together around the time of B's product launch for her skinny jeans. So yeah, something must have happened. I am guessing that Barbara is even more crass and vulgar than LuAnn and Ramona, but I guess we'll see. LuAnn continues to tout Barbara (and Aviva and Kelly) on social media, so clearly she didn't have a problem.

I was the Borgata in AC this weekend and there was a big sign promoting The Countess and friends show coming soon. I guess LuAnn does have some success as a cabaret act because the Borgata is a nice venue. She seems to do shows there a lot.

She is successful as a cabaret performer, and I can't understand it at all.

Cult of celebrity. Don't need talent, just publicity. She's camp.

She's certainly that.

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I am guessing Bethenny's falling out with Luann causes the tension with Barbara.

And I'm guessing that Bethenny's dislike of/opposition to Barbara is what caused the falling out with Luann.

Luann has made it clear that Barbara is her BFF, and to have Bethenny disrespect that by not supporting Barbara for the show would not sit well with Luann. Disloyal to the core herself, she expects absolute loyalty from everybody else.

It's likely more to do with the fact that Bethenny is likely jealous that Luann is having a moderate amount of success at the Cabaret thing.

I like that a lot of the press seems to hold NY above the other franchises.

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I agree with you, r57.

thank fucking god its back.

I'm home with a flu-ey thing and the season 10 reunion is on. God, they were brutal each other--not one of them comes off well.

One thing you can be sure of. Every time a housewife ( yeah, sure) first sees another, the first words will be, " You look ( some form of fabulous)." All of them do it, all of the time.

It's as predictable as everybody on HGTV wanting an open concept floor plan, hardwood floors, stainless steel appliances, granite counter tops, double vanities, and a walk-in closet for the wife.

The press does seem to get that this is the BEST HW franchise...it's not the most popular but it is definitely the most fun!

Dornida’s facelift looks good .

NY is always damn enjoyable to watch - I never feel like i'm watching *overly* fake interactions (looking at you BH)

I will kind of love if this Barbara chick gets in Ramona's face.

R66 I liked Barbara too. She’s like a real New York Jew that’s not going to put up with certain peoples shit.

What will they name the cow that Bethenny milks this season over the death of her beloved ex-boyfriend? (reminder they were not together when he died)

P.S. Barbara is the one who sued Bravo over that conversation between she and Carole about Luann's wedding.

They all looked great.

I still fail to see what Tinsley brings to the show...

I actually liked Bethenny in the premiere. I was expecting it to be completely OTT, but it was kind of touching.

I kinda liked Barbara and I love that she's coming onto the show with a grudge against RaMOANa who looks fabulous btw. The scene of Ramona in the pool with her hunky swim instructor was a little uncomfortable because she was throwing out all of these sexual innuendos and he, wisely, wasn't responding because he knows if he did he would be labeled a predator. Sonja's apartment is already a hot mess. Tinsley is growing on me. She's relatively harmless and pretty much gets along with everybody. The highlight of the episode was Dorinda bringing her TOM AND LU tote over to Ramona's.

HELLO DADDY BORIS!

This show really highlights how awful and contrived BH is in comparion. A whole season about a failed dog adoption? Please.

Apparently, given her CONVENIENT NEAR DEATH FISH ALLERGY: AKA OMG SHE CAN'T BE NEAR FISH OR SHE WILL DIE was filmed well after Bethenny discovered she needed a new "feel sorry for me" story line once her Widow Shields shtick worn out.

There she was, carrying out a "fish plate", and sitting right next to it...on a hot day no less.

Never mind she served sushi / sashimi at least twice at her dinner parties and scarfed it right down.

God, once again NY doesn't let me down. GREAT season premiere, as expected. The dynamics and storylines just run like a well oiled machine.

As messy as Ramona is, she is what older housewives need to be like to keep their jobs. Unlike LVP who is utterly boring, and wants to sip tea, watch swans, and manipulate people to keep her job, but nothing about her is FUN REALITY TV. Ramona is a mess express SO GOOD FOR TV!

Agree r77 Ramona has great energy and she looks fucking great, except for those tits. She should bring them down a couple of notches.

I also think Sonja brings it, and damn she looks good as well. That dreary apartment she is in now must have been hard, but she is playing it off fairly well. She is shameless in a really fun way. Duct tape and towels!

Lu used to look fairly ageless, no longer. She's rough. Pretty sure that a 3 time rehab slot is in the works.

I like Barbara, so far, interested to see how/why she didn't get a full time slot.

r78 Agree with Ramona :) Except for me its her gut that bugs me, not her tits.

And I disagree about Sonja, she has weird work done, long ratty hair extensions in ep 1, that looked cheap and greasy, and the work she has done made her eyes look smaller, and beady. Her nose looked so thinned out. I just didnt think she looked that great.

I like Barbara as well thus far. I hear her and Ramona have it out for each other this season!

Agree to disagree r79. :) But yeah, will be interesting to see who "forced out" Barbara. Still highly concerned how much Jill is going to be featured. Yes, Mary! I know.

r80 indeed. well go to 1:34 in the video... I think you get the answer about Barbara.

meh lackluster premiere. It set things up but nothing amazing.

I like Barbara so far. Too bad she didn't get to be a full timer. This cast needs a 7th member.

Tinsley is still useless and I hope this is her last season.

Sonja with her annoying attitude towards assistants is such a turnoff.

r81, very interesting, thanks!

I liked Barbara too, she seems genuine. Ramona's collapsed nostril looks ever more pronounced this season. I was expecting Sonja's apartment to be a little more lux. It is in a pretty basic building and I noticed Ramona's building doesn't have central air in the exterior shots.

I kind of miss Princess Carole.

Ramona's low key shade had me rolling. I like that she's still not afraid to take a dig at Bethenny.

Where the heck was supreme OG Jill in this episode?

R84 How could you tell from the exterior that Ramona's building (do you mean her apartment or her house?) doesn't have central A/C?

I do agree that Sonja's apartment looked rather basic, to be kind. I would think she could afford something a wee bit better. It looked like a hotel room.

Tinsley is officially the new Carole = adding nothing to the show.

Are we sure Barbara won’t be added later in the season? She had quite a few confessionals and she’s on the Miami trip.

Added to what? She is only a friend this season.

I get the distinct feeling that Dennis was more like a "brother" or "dad" figure to Bethenny than any lover or boyfriend.

I think that when they add someone to this group it’s going to be done slowly. Which i think is probably better than just moving someone right in. I miss the original theme music from the early seasons.

If Thinley marries this guy in Chicago, she’ll be off the show with her own spinoff set in Chicago. There are no Bravo franchises there now that I know off.

One of the many things NY does better than the other franchises is the introduction of new people - they are not overly fake or reaching for a connection.

R92 I get the distinct feeling that Dennis was more like a "dealer" or "supplier" figure to Bethenny than any lover or boyfriend. Add in "fixer". "Dennis, send a plane, I have to get out of here". Oy.

I don't know about "dealer," r95, but I think part of the reason Bethenny's grieving is so confused is because their relationship seems to have been all over the place. They weren't together when he died, but she was wearing his engagement ring and the daughter called Bethenny to tell her about the news. He was separated from his wife, but she stepped into the Grieving Widow role instantly and proceeded to shut Bethenny down.

The reason Ramona looks terrible (except for her legs, which are very good) is that she's so short-waisted that she looks thick in the middle at any weight, and her boobs look bad because there's no definition between them and her rib cage. It's just an unfortunate body type.

Agree with whoever said that LuAnn looks rough. She must still be drinking. And I love the way she glossed over the lawsuit with the kids, completely ignoring that the reason for it wasn't that they loved the Hamptons house, but that she had a legally binding commitment to create a trust for them from the proceeds of their former house and she hadn't done it. Selling the current house to cover the cost of the house in Hunter would have left them with nothing. She made it sound like they were bullying her to get their way.

I still don't get the point of hyping a Jill return and then only giving her a couple appearances.

Maybe she has more visibility in the second part of the season. I think these clips are all pretty early on.

I like Tiinsley actually. She is sort of the Lucy of the show. She is that one who can be with any of the housewives. PS that car she got delivered? 250K.

My god, Ramona's pronunciation of "deja vu" in that trailer is unbelievable. It's during the Jill discussion.

Didn't also mispronounce guacamole?

R99 I like her too. She brings a sort of endearing airhead quality.

GuacamolA

LOL

The premiere was lackluster. If this was RHOBH you guys would have been shooting daggers. It’s time for Tinsley to go. Nothing happened. Hopefully it picks up. This was a snooze fest. Per usual Andy has been hyping the premier for a week and this was a total letdown. I predict the ratings will be below RHONJ which were around 1.3M + delayed viewing all season.

Bitter bitch @r104

r104, the majority of the NJ season was well below 1.3mil especially in the beginning.

R106 Let’s check back at the end of the season. I bet the season average of RHONJ will be higher than RHONY. I’m not bitter I’m just not understanding why a new housewife other than bawdy Barbara K wasn’t added to the cast. Bring back someone that will challenge these women like Aviva or Heather. With Carole gone they could have also 86’d Tinsley and had a nice chunk of change to hire someone fabulous. Even on WWHL last night Dorinda didn’t oversell the season, she simply said it was a “different kind” of season. Whatever that means.

I'm guessing that what Dorinda means is that there are no highs or lows--they're all uniformly miserable and randomly picking fights with each other.

I don't care how flat it is, I'd never want Aviva or Kelly back, and those are the two who are lobbying hardest to get in. Wouldn't want Heather, either--she's coarse and crass in exactly the way Jill is, and I can't imagine the two of them in the same season.

It's possible that all the RH shows have passed their sell-by date and need to sign off.

I saw LuAnn in December in Pottery Barn (right?), and she looked amazing in person (skin looked so much better than it did last night on E1), so I think the "rough" comments here are more about her summer appearance (i.e. she's in the Hamptons gardening and not encased in spanx like Ramona or wearing ratty Indonesian extensions like Sonja).

Ramona looks so much better with the shorter hair.

R56 And the RHOA franchise is still the Queen of bravos ratings. 3 million plus viewers.

The biggest show on the network. They pull even more than the kardashians. NYC can't get those ratings, LOL.

And everybody please stop bringing jill up every other post. It's really sickening. Nobody wants jill back except for DL.

Please stop!

For the life of me, I can't understand why so many people watch the Atlanta franchise. Who are these idiots?

(although in fairness I remember watching quite happily during early seasons, back when Nene and Sheree were yanking off Whatsername's wig, and Sheree had the fashion show with that screaming qween)

r111, please check your numbers. ATL is not pulling in anywhere near 3mil anymore. The average for season 11 is 1.9mil

I think once they realized Barbara wasn't bringing it they recruited Jill so we'll probably start seeing the Widow Zarin midway through the season. I like Barbara. Dorinda said on WWHL that they all show up at Lu's holiday cabaret show.

Sonja and Tinsley should have been fired or demoted a long time ago. They don't add anything interesting to the show.

Tinsley wants us to think she's still a 25 year old socialite everybody can't get enough of!!

while Sonja continues to put on airs that she's a Morgan with servants and a busy schedule. She's nauseating

Sonja is a bullshit artist but she knows she's a bullshit artist and that makes her watchable. Every once in a while we get a glimpse of how sad and lonely she really is. The NY Housewives are more vulnerable than the rest. Tinsley doesn't bring much to the show but she's fine.

No it doesn't make Sonja watchable. I fast forward any solo Sonja scenes. I can only tolerate her sometimes when she's with other cast members.

Sometimes Sonja will surprise with a very sharp and lucid observation and the you think maybe there is a brain under all that Indonesian hair? Or maybe she's just sober?

This is why I love RHONY~ It's REAL LIFE SHIT! Divorces, deaths, arrests, rehab, alcoholism, real relationship dynamics, and still these women can find a way to be funny as shit in a crazy messy way! Unlike the RHOBH over dog storylines etc! Love RHONY!

r104 r113 I swear you RATINGS queens are in every damn show thread. GTFOH! Here you come with your, "ACTUALLY the ratings were... x y z. Shut up Mary! No one cares! No one counts live ratings anymore anyways. Wah wah oh it was lackluster, so boring, yawn yawn yawn... Every fucking episode you will be here saying that with your rating statistics. lmao. No one cares killy joy mary! Ooh its lackluster, but your fat ass will be here every new ep commenting wont you? Yes! So lackluster then re watch RHOBH Dog storyline cunt!

The Barbara woman seems nice. But quite common-looking, frankly.

My mother was a model, by the way.

r120, what is the point of your adolescent temper tantrum. You sound unhinged with your childish name-calling.

Part III of RHONJ reunion slightly won the demo over the RHONY premiere but RHONY had more total viewers. So roughly equal at .61/1.497 and .59/1.536

r123 omg Ratings Queen... go away and enjoy the show fucking nerd!

R120 Is fucking cray cray.

What a nut!

You too R124. Ratings matter!

Nut!

r125 eldergay reading Danielle Steele novel,s checking ratings for shows, so she can have something to speak about. nerd!

Nobody wants Jill back. She's a mousy little bitch with an awful voice. I'd take 3 Tinsleys over half a Jill.

Great for NY with those premiere numbers right out of the gate!

Totally agreed about Sonja. She is in on the joke at this point, so it works.

r128, I am not necessarily pushing for Jill's return, but people like Tinsley and Carole are boring AF.

Fuck Jill. Fuck her right in the ass. She's all over these threads every season trying to yenta her way back onto the show.

You're ovah, Jill. Go open a bagel shop or something.

I miss Carole. Without her Dorinda doesn't have anyone to spill her deepest feelings to every time she gets shit faced.

Which season was it when Jill told Alex at the fashion show, "You don't like me, fine. You'll never run in 'our' circle again."

^^ That is, the Shamelessly Social Climbing, Alex, that is -

Jill used Bawby and now she’s using our boredom. Stop it.

STFU Jill, you miserable cunt.

Barbara was obviously intended to be full-time if she got talking heads in the premiere.

Tinsley and Sonja are the weakest links, but sometimes there is something watchable about how pitiful they are.

r139 speak for yourself. Love Sonja. Enjoy Tinsley silly optimism light hearted nature. It blends well with the misery of Bethenny.

Sonja is trash and not the good kind. She'd tedious and desperate at this point.

Tinsley is just pointless

The Tinz will at least have a breakdown in costume this year.

LMAO. Ramona "hijacked" the premiere party.

Somehow each of their veneers has worn off, and they all seem coarse and sleazy.

Uh, r144, I think you could say that about every franchise and reality tv in general.

Love these bitches!

Oh dear. Look at the pictures. You know that you are thinking what I am thinking.

I just don't want to say it.

Special. Thats the hint.

She looks like her parents R147 minus the cosmetic enhancements.

She looks exactly like her father. Unfortunate.

I remember when DL was lusting after Jason

Tour Sonja's new pad.

whatever work sonja got done is a-m-a-z-i-n-g

r152. Her nose is too thin. Liquid nose job? Her eyes look beady! Step up your plastic surgery compliment game!

@R151 - She's so full of shit. Her 'new' tiny, pink apartment is her daughter's apartment, purchased and paid for by her ex, her daughter's father, JAM.

Looks like she needs to sell it as well.

OMG, Ramona has hit some kind of wall - in some scenes she looks ok but in others she looks awful.

Ramona is so short with no waist - those huge boobs just make her look thick and fat

In the preview, where she's siting on the bench with Sonja - I didn't even recognize her at first - I had to watch it twice...

Ramona has managed to look young for a long time but she finally looks her age

[quote]Fuck Jill. Fuck her right in the ass. She's all over these threads every season trying to yenta her way back onto the show.

I've searched all the IP addresses and it's actually not Jill who keeps posting that shit on all these threads.

It's some woman named Susan Saunders - but she is posting from Jill's apartment...

I cringe every time I hear the name "Dabney."

Tinsley is a dumb name too but Dabney hurts my ears. Awful.

What did Ramona do to her face during the show's hiatus? In her on-camera interview segments, one nostril is smaller than the other and her whole face symmetry is off. She must have gotten a bargain basement cosmetic surgeon.

I really hope Jason gets some help. The shit coming out at the custody hearing really makes him seem unhinged and more than a little scary. Somebody needs to step in and help him get his life back on track. What a waste. I always liked him.

Jason is cray cray

I always found it very odd that no one, family or friends, has ever spoken out in defense of Jason in this mess. Surely everyone in his life can't be under a gag order.

Damn Sonja's place is tiny and tacky AF. That has to be her daughter's apartment. It is not suitable for the deluded Ms Morgan. However, I do love her attitude.

i really can't take another season of sobbing Bethenny. It has become very tiresome.

That place Sonja says is hers really is tiny. What a comedown for somebody who used to be married to a Morgan. I almost feel sorry for her, but her Little Edie-like level of delusion should see her through.

Kadooz to everyone.

Ramona with the swim instructor was pure entertainment.

Ramona's body is turning into a completely oval shape - like an egg

She has no waist at all

Not everyone can look as good as Victoria Gunvalson.

Soon Ramona will look exactly like all her other old UES women friends who show up at her birthday party every year

Lot's of plastic surgery and expensive clothes - but all with necks like a Komodo Dragon

She'l be one of women let out by the Crypt-Keeper

R166 Ramon's swim instructor was probably hot back when he was in his 20s and was a competitive swimmer.

I did like how he responded to Ramona's incessant flirting. He was hilariously not on board.

Ramona: "You're so cute!"

Swim Instructor: "Interesting."

Jesus, Bethenny is even more of a bag of bones this season than she was last season. And her crocodile tears that turn on as soon as the cameras roll. She's so pathetically transparent and probably didn't really give a shit about her dead boyfriend. But hey - great storyline!

Ramona did her bolt-on breasts like she does everything in her life

Way too big and too obvious

I love how Ramona is blithely going forward as Bethenny's friend

Never acknowledging how viciously she attacker BF at the last season's finale shows

Like it so far. More than OC, Dallas. BH and ATL. NYC and NJ Rule!! Clip Clip Clip Clip!!!

Sometimes Ramona's new tits look like they're going to touch her chin.

Are they growing?

I don't know what you mean, R175

Sorry I am all about RHOD, then RHOBH, then New York.

These ladies are starting to grate.

I don't know how anyone stomachs BH right now.

BF is sooooooooooo full of shit, asking her guy friend (breakfast at her house): how long does it take (to get over a friend's death)?

Ummmm, apparently, her father's death made no impression upon her.

Come on, r179. Let's be fair. Bethenny had virtually no relationship with her father for years prior to his death.

Ramona's a mess. She is very short-waisted so even if her weight is right she looks heavy around the middle; there's nothing between her ribcage and her ass. And the older she gets, the more compressed she'll get. It's really time for her to get the boobs seriously reduced and start covering herself up more.

That apartment probably does belong to Sonja's daughter (who looks like an unattractive version of mommy). My guess is that whatever alimony/child support she had from Morgan ended when the daughter turned 18. That's not uncommon. It's probably also when Morgan told her to vacate the house, since she no longer has to make a home for the kid. Also not uncommon. Sonja will probably live in that tiny pink apartment while the daughter's away at college and will have to stay with friends when the kid's home on breaks.

Sonja thinks having monogrammed towels in her minuscule apartment will still fool the public. She's beyond pathetic

I think Sonja and the Tinz are fascinating characters R115. Their respective airs in response to their faded social status may not be the most compelling to watch, but they are definitely intriguing and add some color to the cast. Forced storylines from Them are tedious, but they add to the ensemble. Sonja’s Grey Gadens? Come on. The Tinz is especially grasping— even tho she’s still rich af, but holding on to the former aughts socialite thing is insane. Like another poster said, they add Vulnerability. Other franchises are full of strivers, but they are dull as dishwater, robotic, no pathos. RHNYC is the only one worth watching.

I forgot to add, the Tinz is totally serving Miss Havisham realness in the trailer. “I’m fucking miserable” in the crazy white get-up? Can’t Wait to see what that’s about lol.

I don't think Tinsley is still rich af, and I think that's part of the reason she needs this show--and the coupon guy. I think her father had some fairly serious business reverses before he died, and mama didn't come from money.

r185 Stop. rich as fuck! The one thing MANY rich people dont have and crave is FAME....

She is living comfortably in Manhattan, getting paid to drive to the Hampton’s with Sonjarita in a 250 k car. Maybe not as much wealth as the name implies. But most people would switch places with her in a second. Doesn’t matter where the money comes from.

R183 they're not fascinating. Their storylines are desperate, pathetic, boring and beyond contrived. There are hundreds of aging socialites who try to relive their glory days. I'm sure there are many others in NYC that producers could replace those 2 with.

If Tinsley doesn't get married or pregnant by the reunion, producers should fire her ASAP

There is no saving grace about Sonja. She's had her run but I know she'll stay around because producers are scared to shake the cast up too much.

r188 Moron. Andy loves Sonja. finds her thoroughly entertaining. She isnt going anyway.!!! MORON

What name, r187? Mortimer is her ex-husband's name and that's where the major money was. Her father was basically a rug salesman who made some good (and possibly shady) investments, but that family didn't have remotely the wealth of the Mortimers or even the Morgan. But you suit yourself.

r173, why do you think Ramona is styling herself as Bethenny's friend? If you're thinking of her little monologue about B having had a bad time with the bf's death, that was about as mean girl/passive-aggressive as it's possible to be. ("after all, Bethenny doesn't have many friends")

Say what you will about Tinsrey, at least she is more entertaining here than she was on High Society (which featured DL icon Tommy Diarrhea)

Ramona: A recycling barrel with legs

Exactly, r192. And her legs are still good, at least from the knees down.

@R180 - Then BF deserves a fucking Oscar for her performance in the scene from her show, BGM, upon hearing of her father's death and traveling to CA for his funeral, barely able to function/speak during the car ride to the airport and his funeral.

R194 on-camera emotions aren't real emotions

Why can't Hannah use some of Doritos coke money for some decent eyebrows?

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The original OG gay husband, long since excised and forgotten about

He looks a lot better/healthier than he did on the show. Does anyone else remember that he turned up during the Morocco trip (season 4??) and said he was living there?

WHET BF's "Foodie Guy," Nick, who followed her around and did yoga with her in "BEA" series? Did she toss him atop the pile of the rest of the men she's destroyed because he had "No Game," as she'd claimed during the series?

R201 apparently he is on Divorce, starring BDF Thomas Jane and BDF Sarah Jessica Parker

R75 I'm no fan of Bethenny, but FWIW she is highly allergic to a specific substance in white fish, but not to shellfish or sushi or sashimi.

It is possible to be allergic to some but not all types of fish or even shellfish within each group of seafood. For example, there are those who can eat crab but not lobster, while others can eat salmon but not cod. Some people are highly allergic to shellfish only but can eat every other type of seafood/fish with no problem. B's fish allergy is specifically white fish, not pink salmon, shellfish or sushi. Strange but true.

At least she's not allergic to Ramona's guacamola.

R209 Sorry, total shit. She even talked about eating ALL KINDS of fish in one of her many anorexic diet books. Also, see early seasons. Fish of all kinds was one of her "allowed" foods. She is a fucking liar. Nice try B. Minion.

Jason's parents must be mortified. First having to deal with that horror of a daughter in law and now this. Oy.

Are his parents under a gag order?

[quote][R209] Sorry, total shit.

R204 is a lie detector and a psychic

I'm so glad these girls are back - I've watched the first episode three time (I know, Mary).

Here are some initial impressions:

Barbara seems nice but will probably not wear well.

Dorinda is still full of rage - she can be fun, she can be nice - but still full of rage.

Bethenny has her share of demons too.

The Countess may be making progress but she is so deeply insecure that she will never come down to earth.

Ramoner has got a huge gut and with her big tits - her body has jumped the shark.

Sonja provides some comic relief - espec now that she seems to have gotten a break from her money problems

Tinz - we'll see - not much 'there' there - but she may be a good supporting player

I miss Carole.

Assuming r209 isn't Carole herself, what exactly do you miss about her?

R209 may be Carole but it's more likely her Ghost Writer.

I AM NOT FULL OF RAGE!!!!

And I will fuck you up OG style!

She really hurt me with that comment...sniff

(209) I miss Carole too. I won't last this year. It's bad . RHONY used to be kind of special but it's gone the way of the other HW franchises. Keeping the most obnoxious cast members (confusing "antics" with drama) and delusional. I can't take another season of contrived thirsty Sonja and Lu Anne. Bethenny has become insufferable since she came back. It finally has been as dumbed down to the others and lost its NY flavor. Used to be my fave trash watch. The thrill is gone...

Doris really is quite the thug. I have to wonder what Richard Medley saw in her. And whatever I may think about Bethenny, I'm looking forward to the scene where she calls Luann out about her constant "cabaret star" bragging. I do not wish Luann well.

R213 so Carole Radziwill was the thrill? I imagine that is the first time anyone has thought about her in that way.

The longevity of the cast is both my rose and thorn. Rose because there is a legitimate history between these women that makes their interactions more real. Thorn because they just recycle the same fights every year.

Carole was boring AF and DL would call for her to fired year after year.

They should switch Tinsley out for Dale. NYC could take a page from BH and get a well-known actress. Maybe some old Broadway diva to put the Countess in her place.

Who was the handsome guy with Dorinda in the park? She went for a walk with? Single? What is his occupation?

r218, that is the guy who was on Ladies of London as the assistant or stylist to one of them...?

Interesting. Is he in NY now? So hot!!

Luke Henderson is a makeup artist on loan to Doritos from Caroline Stanbury. He is adorable and all about the gossip.

Funny that he is on "loan" to Dorinda after Ladies of London was apparently canceled.

It's only because Caroline moved to Dubai and Luke isn't trying to get murdered just for sucking a dick.

Ahhh! Good to see a handsome man on the show once and a while. Thank YOU!

I miss Ladies of London. Was it not popular enough? Couldn't they just recast it? While I am at it, what happened to the Melbourne Housewives? Did that die too? So many questions...

On topic: This guy is adorable.

Hope we see him frequently!

I see fame whore Luke is posting in here.

I shudder to think of Dorito having sex with that nasty John, the Dry Cleaner...

R228 so the idea of Doritos - naked, drunk and incoherent, lipstick smeared like a clown - trying to swallow John's hairy sausage doesn't turn you on?

How about John on all fours while Doritos goes to town on his coin slot?

Wait I am confused..I thought Dorito was Dorit's name??

No, Dorito refers to our coke-addled mistress of Bluestone Manor

John has a massive cock

...and a massive belly. And a terrible personality. They are a really unlovely couple.

Another thing I love about NY is that the husbands (when they were married) were never fame whoring and messy parts of the drama like NJ, ATL, and BH to some extent.

R234 doesn't remember the bloated awfulness in leather pants that was Simon Van Kempen.

Mario liked to run his fat guinea mouth too. It wasn't a good look.

Simon was like a 6th HW the first season. I think he was the only NY husband that ever appeared on a reunion.

Simon was most certainly famewhoring. God, he was vile.

Simon and his beautiful model wife, Alex, were NOT New Yorkers. They were from Brooklyn.

It's the Real Housewives of New York City, of which Brooklyn is a part.

Also, lol @ R238 calling Alex beautiful. That's just cruel.

R231 Nope Sorry Dorito is the nickname for Dorit on our beloved RHOBH - there is even a GIF of Rinna eating Doritos see below (link) - RHONY and Dorinda can’t have this one it belongs to Beverly Hills and Dorit “Dorito” Kemsley

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

it's fun when the men get involved as the drama is more intense. It's also lame that no one in the NYC cast is fucking married.

R242 What the fuck goes into her SkinnyGirl products? The obviously eat up your insides.

None of these ladies need a husband. They have their own money, get dick whenever they want, have an ok place to live. What is a husband bringing to the table?

The internet suggests that "leaky gut syndrome" isn't even real.

God, is she going to go the Yolanda route with woo-woo conditions and treatments? R244 brings up a great point. What is in that shit she shills? She should be keeping her trap shut re: her real or imagined health conditions. Not a good look for the brand ambassador. Let me guess...she's coming out with a line of Skinny Girl vitamins/supplements?

She might be skinny, but she looks unwell.

Maybe her wares are filled with Olestra and thats how you stay being a Skinnygirl!

Messy Miss Ken should come to NY and give them all a good catfight.

Ken and his sad mullet can stay in Los Angeles

Anyone who thinks that Brooklyn is part of NYC is daft and needs a brain transplant. It's like going to a foreign country.

Ken will knock your spark out!

I hope Sonja upgrades her drapes soon. She's using bath towels when what she needs is beach towels.

In the season premier, BF serves shellfish (FISH!) for her cast members' Welcoming Lunch,' during which she is filmed eating said meal. She's either a drama queen/liar ("Get Me a PLANE, Dennis!), or she can't keep track of her lies.

We can -

No, Bethenny has clearly said that she doesn't have an allergy to shellfish.

r255 THANK U! These internet dweebs with their cyber high fives - ooh we got her... look! I dont even like Bitterney Funkel, but many are allergic to fish, and fine with shellfish!

A fish allergy is not exactly the same as a seafood allergy. Seafood includes fish (like tuna or cod) and shellfish (like lobster or clams). ... So shellfish will only cause an allergic reaction in someone with a fish allergy if that person also has a shellfish allergy.

I’m confused by Tinsley. I remember her in the NYC socialite scene in the early 2000s and she seemed to have this idyllic life with Topper. She always seemed aloof and above it all. But her actual personality is spastic and frantic and a little shrill. It’s the opposite of what I pictured. Why did they break up? Why did she not have a kid with him while she had the chance?

The season openers for NY are often boring but the actual seasons are great. I loved to hate Carole so I do miss her a bit. It was fun making fun of her desperate attempts to appear youthful.

Tinsley thought she has time to kill which is why she didn't pop out a Mortimer before the marriage was over. Dale didn't do her job.

"Appear", R258?

Fuck you!

I think we all can agree that Carole looks dewy and nubile and not at all like a starving, dehydrated 60 year old woman.

Maybe Dabney can be a new HW

Dabney is too busy being a hostess in Tokyo, no?

r258. Carols looks were a mess. But I would like to see your facebook page, so we can see yours? Usually the person of your wrath, is merely a projection. So , facebook link please

R264 I’m so sorry I offended you Carole, but your many procedures were starting to make you resemble the goblin from Harry Potter. But I do wish you were on the show still so we could mock you!

Can't wait for the lez action!

Bethenny makes out with Barbara so this is likely another lez relationship that went south for the B. She was wrecked after Carole stopped licking her snatch.

Bethenny and Carole was a classic lesbian breakup. Carole moved on, Bethenny didn't. Hell hath no fury like a skinnygirl scorned.

Mama Car's tongue is magic

R259 did Tinsley cheat on Topper? She doesn’t seem To have any bitterness about their breakup which is very surprising

Bethenny is probably a miserable lay. I bet her pussy tastes like rancid booze and Adderall.

R270 they probably both cheated which is why it was a wash. She spent a lot of time with Constantine Maroulis during High Society.

Tinsley Mortimer is a cheap, splay-legged whore and everybody knows it.

Tinz has the raspy voice of a Bulimic who has damaged her vocal chords by her frequent purges...

r274 speaks from personal experience !

I wonder how Mario fits in during filming - will they talk about his ex and incident with the cops?

I love Tinsley, always fun but on the other hand, Romona coming on to the swim instructor was cringe worth, she's such a pig and thinks she's gods gift to men.

r277, do you not get that the whole thing was farce?

The Mortimer marriage broke up because Tinsley wanted to be out partying every night and appearing in the columns every day. Topper had no interest in the limelight and thought T's lifestyle was unseemly. His family agreed. She wouldn't dial it back, so....

So were Tinsley and Scott a real couple or just for a storyline?

Not just for a storyline, R280.

For Scott's Coupon Cabin commercials, too.

Will we get to see Nodam reunite this season?

R282 is that some reference to carol and Adam? I think he’s moved on to a different geriatric

No R280, they're actually a real couple but break up or put their relationship on hold during filming.

I wish producers had chosen Amanda over Kristen 5 years ago. Kristen won out though due to her friendships with Brandi Glanville and Heather. That's why Heather was so aggressive towards Amanda and acting like she was a random stranger in the scenes. Heather knew damn well producers had hired Amanda and she was competing for the last main spot vs. her friend Kristen. Kristen ended up being a bore but producers dropped Amanda because the other ladies kinda iced her out.

I was curious what Amanda is up to these days and looking at her instagram, she's still a successful celebrity stylist who has worked with big names over the years. She's currently styling some of the people who appear on MSNBC and CNN.

The worst producer treatment on RHONY of course was Jennifer Gilbert a while back. She was going to be a main cast member but then got cut out by producers to a friend role who appeared in just a few episodes. To be fair she was boring though.

It makes me wonder how many other potential cast members either got edited down or out completely. There have been ladies in other cities who got completely edited out halfway through the season and then the producers/other cast members acted like they never filmed.

Who is Amanda? What did I miss?

I have no clue who Amanda is...

Amanda Saunders - she was involved in season 6.

She was? I have no recollection at all of this person.

She was Aviva’s friends and I think she and heather almost came to blows

Yeah, still drawing a blank. Sorry Amanda. So much for screen presence!

There is an Asian woman Christine Chiu married to a very prominent plastic surgeon that has tested over a couple of seasons for RHOBH but she’s never even made it to friend status. The producers have filmed scenes with her and the other ladies. She’s got the money and the lifestyle. Basically she’s the Asian Lisa Vanderpump. Always amazed me how RHOBH never had an Asian castmember given the huge Asian population in Los Angeles.

Well, that's very nice, r292, but the is the RHONY thread.

Lol R293

R292 yeah the producers do shady shit like that all the time. It's a shame because some of the casting choices they go with are total flops.

This is Amanda. Keep in mind she came with Aviva to LuAnn's house in the same way Heather brought Kristen around the girls. Amanda and Kristen were in the same position but Heather kept acting like Amanda didn't belong there (because she wanted Kristen to get the main cast member spot). So any time Amanda said anything Heather would bark at her. Then Amanda got a bit tipsy and things escalated

part II. Notice how Sonja gets in on the act. Clearly Heather had spoken to the rest of the ladies in being welcoming to Kristen but icing out Amanda.

Amanda looks like she would have been a Dorinda type of cast member, not boring as hell self-pitying victim Kristen

I don't remember her at all. Sorry it didn't work out Amanda!

Thanks, r295. I sort of remember it now--she provoked a major catfight at some party and nobody wanted to claim her.

R298 which is better than anything Kristen did, except being the victim of Ramona throwing a glass at her. Imagine how many of the cast Amanda would have pissed off had she stayed on the show. Kristen was 1 of the weakest cast members they ever had

Then right when her life was getting interesting (her husband caught on Ashley Madison), she leaves!

Heather was another major piece of work. I understand better now why she and Princess Carole were best buds. Two thugs with a thin veneer of --what? not class, certainly--something.

Heather’s husband was hot! I liked that she took on Bethenny but B always wins. She hates Heather, Heather is gone. She doesn’t like Kristen, she’s gone. She fights with Carole, Carole leaves. Annoying

Heather's husband was fine. Heather was a dreadful pain in the ass, with all that pretentious downmarket P.Diddy/Holla shit.

Barbara K with a makeup-less Ramona Singer.

Oy, R303, Ramoner Singer should look so good...

we haven't seen much of Ramona's good friend Andrea Warshaw Wernick in a while

Is it Wednesday yet?

[quote]Ramona's good friend Andrea Warshaw Wernick

Is that the Komodo Dragon from the Bronx zoo?

R303 I know Barbara here has had some bad work, but what’s causing the odd look? The eyes? Does she have a husband?

Did you notice the way Barbara just happened to remember her new "DIY-VA Took Kit by Barbara K" in the back seat of her SUV that she could use as a hostess gift?

I'm Lucille's old 'friend' Ann Southern

I agreed to come out of semi-retirement to help fill the void created by Vivian Vance's departure from "The Lucy Show"

Only to discover that Lucy wanted to pay me no more than SAG scale minimum wage

I kind of love that Barbara out-Bethenny'd Bethenny in the quick product placement.

Amanda Saunders: Image Consultant also showed Harry Dubin her cunt at a brunch in the Hamptons with Aviva and her husband present. She was trash

Who hasn't shown Habby Dubin her cunt?

Whatever happened to Joni? She should have gotten an apple.

Tonight!!

Yes, but at brunch?!

Interesting that Barbara seems to be coming for Dorinda.

R314 Her sperm brows should have gotten an apple.

Will Jill be on this week's episode?

Barbara already seems heavily featured - I wonder if something big went down to not give her an apple?

I thought Barbara was Carole's replacement?

Anyone else think Dorinda was kind of a bitch on WWHL? I finally watched last nite.

Haven't seen it, but I read somewhere that she was out of control. So what else is new.

I am actually liking Barbara

She seems normal; it's kind of refreshing. Dorinda and Luann are really dreadful. I wonder what makes Bethenny finally turn on Luann.

These episodes go by way too damn fast. So many funny moments, it's hard to keep track.

If Lulu doesn't stop saying "after what I've been through" I will drive to New York and push her off her penthouse balcony. As one of the HWs pointed out tonight, she did this to herself. I don't think you can claim victim status in those circumstances.

Judging from the conversation among Luann, Bethenny, Ann and Barbara, it sounds like Luann was seriously out of control when they did the intervention. And I love the way she sort of elides over the reason her children sued to enjoin the sale of the house. She makes it sound like they just didn't want to lose the nice house and so stood in the way of her happiness in a new $6 million place in Hunter or wherever. She's a piece of work.

LuAnn is becoming the Teresa Giudice with everyone worrying about offending her and she dictating how everyone else should behave. Boring.

Ramona is going to get slammed for that Dennis comment, but it's not all that untrue.

I am shocked at the B blending in and not hogging the show. It's refreshing.

The bitchy, but hysterical Vulture review. Sounds like our boy is a DLer

r331 Moylan? For YEARS he has. He is likely here as I type.

I am very interested to see what causes the fighting between Bethenny and Luann as the lines seem to be clearly drawn now. They edit that clip in the trailer to make it seem like Bethenny is talking about Jill but I bet it's Luann.

Andy's been licking Luann's shitter for years now, and it just seems to get worse each season. Given the fact that he's the worst type of star fucker, I can't imagine what she has that he could possibly want from her. Then I remember she has a son.

well LuAnn has driven the last few seasons with her sham marriage, the drunken arrest and now her "quest for sobriety" so she's feeling more entitled than ever.

Yes, like it or not. Luann's escapades have been highly dramatic and have been the focus of the show. And it was receiving a lot of main stream press because of it.

Barbara officially adds more to this show than Tinsley.

Bethenny looks like shit this season - like she weighs maybe 70 pounds soaking wet. Take some time out to rejuv sweetheart. None of of need to hear your shrill harpy voice that badly. Eat a cookie.

Bethenny spend a lot of time with the women at various houses. Where is her precious daughter, the one for whom she has to fight her evil ex for custody? being raised by a nanny somewhere else?

r339, you're reaching.

Where is she then?

Well first of all, they started filming in September, so Brynn could likely be in school. Otherwise, filming is usually only a couple hours (or less) at a time.

R341 Oh trust. If Bethenney could trot out her kid on the show, she would. But about 30 years ago or so in one of their many, many, many court appearances, Jason said "no" to allowing Bryn to be on the show (which I think was a good call) and there you have it. Sonya wasn't allowed to have her daughter on the show either.

Bethenny's kid is no doubt in school or summer camp or with the odious dad when she's filming. I'm sure she'll give you plenty of ammunition later in the season, but at the moment Bethenny's behaving herself quite nicely.

I'm liking Barbara and wonder what happened she is a main player out of the gate. Why no apple?

There were some stories a month or so ago that the other HWs didn't like her. I'm assuming that means Ramona and Dorinda (Ramona gave an interview somewhere--People?--that roughly translated to "Barbara? Feh. And Dorinda's still complaining that Barbara meddled in her friendship with Lu Ann), but I think I also read that Bethenny blackballed her.

I think she's okay. A little rough around the edges, but kind of a mensch.

It kind of sounds like they all become anti-Luann? Maybe that's why Barbara suffered as a result?

Well, already Ramona and Dorinda are anti-Luann. Sonja says on social media that she feels she has to stick up for Luann. I suspect Tinsley doesn't want to take a position. I know I've read, I think on Luann's SM, that she and Bethenny were on the outs for most of the season. Which would leave Barbara hanging out there all alone.

I have a feeling that over time Bethenny got more and more exasperated with Luann's self-absorption and constant bragging about her cabaret stardom.

All that talk last night about Luann trying to get $6 million for a new house made me wonder if she might be bipolar. Bipolarity and alcohol are an incendiary combination. She didn't stay in rehab long enough for a psych evaluation, either time.

It's still so odd to me that no new HW has been introduced through Bethenny.

It seems to me that Barbara was brought on to give Luann someone on her side that Bethenny approved of. Last season ended with Dorinda, Tinsley, Ramona, and Carole on one side and Bethenny, Luann and lapdog Sonja on the other. With Carole gone, Luann wanted someone on her side, but obviously it didn't work out.

nice 80s hair on LuAnn's friend Ann. She hasn't changed her style in about 30 years I see

Ramona on her dilemma about whether to have children with her young boyfriends

"Do you want to have a child with me?"

"I don't want to even want to be 50 with a 10 year old (child)."

As if, Ramoner...

Ramona should stop doing Core Fusion

Her Core has grown bigger than her fake tits

I always wondered why Ramona didn't have another kid. Maybe she was happy with just Avery, but it has come up at the most ridiculous times. Didn't she "miss her period" a bunch of seasons ago and she and Sonja were giggling that she might be pregnant?

I'm not sure Carole was ever really on LuAnn's side. Carole was on her own side, and had very little interest in any of the other women. Remember how she cut Tinsley loose?

It may be true that Barbara was a Bethenny-approved ally, but evidently something changed. I'm guessing Bethenny ends the season alone. Maybe they all do.

Ramona claimed to have missed her period half a dozen seasons ago and she made a big drama. Of course, even at that point she had to have been in menopause or perimenopause. She just wanted attention. For a change.

I’m not digging Barbara at all. What’s wrong with her face? Is she a burn victim? Her face looks like a giant thumb. Maybe it’s the monochrome neutral makeup.

Surely they could have invited Jill to the clambake.

Ramona's fake pregnancy scare was in season 4 and Jill was 1 of the ones calling her out for that ridiculousness. That was what 7 years ago? So Ramona was 52-54 years old depending on when filming was

"Her face looks like a giant thumb." YES, r357!

To me, she looks like someone who was horribly disfigured in some type of tragic accident, and instead of piecing her back together she had a full face transplant.

Agreed R360 she does have that full face transplant look. What kind of bad plastic surgery causes this?

Barbara must have used the same plastic surgeon as Jacqueline Laurita.

R357 Oh god, dying! Perfect! I can't unsee, I'm rewatching it right now. She does seem nice enough so far but that's a lot of bad road...I mean thumb.

Tinsley is harmless, but she could easily just be a friend.

It is the fillers on Barbara that make her face misshapen. Plus she has bad make up. The nude lips are not working. She also appears to have had lipo, you can tell when she was in her jeans. I still like her...so far.

Barbara seems far too nice and normal to survive with this group. But that's exactly what they need (besides a minority housewife).

Season is boring so far since everyone just seems to be re-enforcing their stereotypes. So's apartment is just sad after the townhouse, Lu with her blah blah, Ramona's cunt dripping like a leaky faucet, Tinsley the eternal nothing, come on Dorinda, bring some energy to the party.

How can it be boring? They're going to a clambake! What's more exciting than a clambake?

r368, fighting over a dog

My daughter is not a dog, R369. She's not so attractive, but that's because of Jason.

Barbara also has an enormous head and no neck, and she looks ridiculous with all that long hair. Although frankly I can't imaging that she'd look much better if she had it styled. She's just unattractive, and her looks are (I can't believe I'm going to write this) so much less refined than the other HWs.

Leave it to Bethenny to go to dinner with the girls and make it all about how, thanks to her, LuAnn is alive today because of Bethenny's incredible intervention.

R371 written by Ramona's collapsed nostril

Ramona looked intellectually impaired trying to get down the stairs in that Mermaid costume.

She's really short, round, and stupid.

Barbara is the ugliest housewife on any of the shows, but I really like her as a person.

I agree that Tinsley needs to go. She hasn't had an interesting storyline for 3 seasons now. There simply isn't anything redeeming about her at all.

One of the few interesting things about Tinsley is...

her dysfunctional relationship she has with her faded Southern Belle, passive-aggressive, surgically-altered mother Dale...

When the fuck did Ramona's daughter Avery get pregnant?

Ramoner is going to be a grandmother? She's still thinking about having more kids herself...

yeah there's just no point to Tinsley. She's now in her 40s, not married, no children, no job and just bleeds money all the time. Her bf is paying for her lifestyle now so what? That's not interesting. She's a washed up former NYC it-girl socialite. There are plenty of those. She doesn't bring any real drama and her interactions with the rest of the cast aren't interesting either. This better be her last season, especially if she doesn't get married or pregnant by reunion time

OMG, r377. She certainly looks preggo, and you can be sure if there'd been a wedding the whole world would have heard about it.

Mario looks awful.

LMAO! Another shot at the Jill loons. Both Ramona and Dorinda seem to say Jill wont ever be back full-time.

I am so sick of Luann and her bullshit. Hopefully, her kids take her to the cleaners with this lawsuit.

Why is Bethenny so cruel to Ramona?

Ramona has been an asshole for many years..not clearing Bethenny but Ramona is definitely very petty and jealous. She is good TV though.

It's funny in a cast of mostly OG's, they would pull out the excuse of not going back to the "past" in terms of a returning HW.

I can't believe that LuAnn called up Bethenny and asked her for $6 million to buy a house in upstate NY.

What the fuck was that all about? Was she looking for a loan? Bethenny never would have seen that money again.

It sounds like she was calling everyone she knew for a loan..she must have been in the throws of an alcoholic delusion

Some of the Lu stans are as delusional as the LVP stans.

R377 I've never noticed that Avery has FAS face before. Not sure how I missed it, unless that is a tremendously bad makeup job.

I wonder if this is true or just more b/s from Jason

I believe it. Some schools don't want to be associated with that. Didn't Avery's school have a problem during the first season?

How can BF have sole custody when she's always sick and on the brink of death?

Barbara does kind of just fit in without the forced b/s that you see on other franchises. But I guess its moot considering she didn't get the apple?

Maybe Barbara will just be around for a while, like Marlo on Atlanta for the past few years.

Bethenny’s people are so full of shit about paparazzi staking out private schools. I have family at a school much more well known and celeb filled than Friends, and there have never been photographers outside the building. It doesn’t happen. She tipped them off.

Exactly, r393. Frankel craves the cameras.

Does Bethenny really have that much money? I don't believe she is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Luann's victim act is so tired

I like Barbara but they need someone who is a hot mess.

Luann's victim act has been tired for a long, long time. I swear if she says "...after what I've been through" one more time I will jump through the tv screen and throttle her. Starting at least with Tom, everything this woman has been through has been of her own making.

Btw, r381, Lu's kids were never suing her for money damages; they were suing to enjoin the sale of the Hamptons house, because her deal with the Count encumbered the property: if she sold, she had to create a trust for the kids with half the proceeds. She was planning to sell and use every cent to purchase some gigantic piece of property up in Sullivan County, and the kids and their father had no other recourse to protect their rights. Lu makes it sound like the kids were just attached to the house and pitched a fit. Anyway, she apparently went nuts and was going to have that house by hook or by crook--including hitting up B and the boyfriend for $6 mil. I think she must be bipolar. That's really manic behavior.

You don't understand. She's a COUNTESS!!! She has royal blood flowing through her veins! And not just any countess! She's a countess with Injun blood too! And I bet it was Hiawatha or some famous Injun like that! AND she can do cabaret too! (well, she can get mid range Broadway acotors to do it for her! Because she's a COUNTESS!!! BIG CHIEF INJUN COUNTESS!!!

She posts clips of her cabaret act daily, all over social media. Her version of "Fever" (accompanying herself on bongos) is particularly execrable. WHAT mid-range talent--Murray Hill? Oh, right--little Andrew Keenan-Bolger.

Big whoop

I find it interesting that Ramona still isn't giving the "green light" to a Jill return.

Here's a photo of the original RHONY lineup, with DL Icon Jill Zarin rocking a full-length BLACKGAMA mink!

Are you sure, r402? I see mink trim on Zarin's coat, but I don't think that's a full-length mink. (and Blackglama is a trademark--I don't know how you'd be able to tell where Ms. Zaaarin's coat came from.)

Poor Alex, everyone in their furs, and she looks like a toe in a trenchcoat.

That's because she's from Brooklyn, R404

Hah, r404. Those were the days. I guess she was told to show up in it by shit stirring producers (just bring casual winter wear, everyone else is), she was making a non-fur statement gone horribly wrong, or she was too stupid to know how to rent one from a consignment shop, or do the buy and return Nordstrom thing.

I do hope Silex is having a good life in Australia.

Sorry, I meant r405.

@R402 - Thank you. You're a man of good taste.

I wish to also add I loaned my day coat to Bethenny for the photo shoot. She's never returned it.

Ramona's face looks so different now compared to that photo, much wider/thicker. The others look mostly the same

R409 Bethenny does not look the same. lol.

[quote]Ramona's face looks so different now compared to that photo, much wider/thicker.

Thicker because she was younger. Skin loses its thickness as it ages.

I am really liking this season so far.

Carole who?

Just eat the fucking clams for God's sake.

Died when Sonja and LuAnn sang together in perfect harmony: "The clams that we et, were good, you bet! The company was the same!!"

Barbara had an auto-tune machine at her party, R414?

Trying but finding it hard this season. Yep...I miss Carole. An actual facsimile of the cooler side of the city. They kept all the narcissist fakies. Now there is zero "real" accept attention hogs hogging non-stop = boring. Think I'm done. Probably a good thing..

Well, but calling Carole an "actual facsimile" of the cooler side is basically calling her a copy of the cooler side. Probably not a compliment.

Yeah I know. I think I said it this way because I think she was and she represented this but is actually introspective. Anyone who is introspective and self aware will lose themselves and lose their way doing these shows. Early Bethenny seemed cool but is now insufferable. I hope Carole pulls back and writes something insightful and bitchy about Andy and Co. (I'm sure there are NDA reasons she can't). It used to have a certain something that I find missing now. Too many thirsty camera hogs and set up crap. I can't watch this current batch of loons.

Has anyone watched the first few seasons of the show on Hulu? It’s really special to watch the women in the beginning. The show is so different from when it began. It’s like back then we got a better glimpse into their real personal lives.

Yes, r419. The early seasons were much better and much more fun.

r418, I have no idea what you just said or what it has to do with Carole being a "facsimile" of anything, but whatever.

I don’t miss Carol, I don’t miss Heather or Jules or Cindy Barshop or that dumb Kristen Teakman. I don’t miss any of those bores. The only ones I would even come close to missing would be Aviva, Kelly Bensimone and most of all, Jill Zarin.

I think that’s why I like Barbara. There is something about her that reminds me of Jill in some way.

Over the years, Bethenny has slowly become everything she used to snark on. That move she pulled on Sonja a few seasons ago, where she called her to her office and berated her in front of her bored interns, then dismissed her, was the exact thing Kelly did to her in the "I'm up here, you're down here" conversation. It was a power play, and Bethenny was a complete bully to Sonja in front of an audience of staff. First season Bethenny never would have done that to someone.

Carole added NOTHING to the show for years. Now I know someone is trolling.

What was up Dorito when she met Ramona's tennis pro?

She said that he looked familiar at least three times.

Does Dorinda know him? Was she hitting on him?

Tinsley's only sign of life so far this season was when she pointed out that Ramona is so cheap that she would take her gift of caviar back to the city and serve it to others, so Tinz had to encourage Ramona to open it for them.

Ramona's competition with Tinsley on the tennis court was funny.

Ramona is so transparently jealous of Tinsley and any other woman who's getting attention from the men she pays to flirt with her.

"I'd be a better tennis player but I had to travel and then it rained."

Bring on hot daddy Mario!!

Is it supposed to be understood that they can all lie about each other? Luann basically said Ramona's story at the reunion was a blatant lie.

Ramona's a big liar, but so is Luann. I'm inclined to believe Ramona on this one, if only because Luann had behaved outrageously in public before, and because even Ramona is probably smart enough to avoid lying about something that many people would have witnessed--or not--and could call her out on.

r429 I agree. Of the two, Ramona is definitely the more talented liar.

Tinz could really hit that ball. I was impressed. I think she has played that dumb blonde character for so long, she doesn't know how to break out of it. Her mother probably taught her old school shit like men prefer women who aren't smart, and she ran with it. Underneath her dumb bunny character is a fun, likable person.

R56... I enjoy the NY women best. I'm not sure about Barbara, yet.. shall see. They are campy fun.

I think I read somewhere that Tins played team tennis at her prep school, and possibly at college.

I wish Carole was back, too R85.

I don't. I was neutral on that stupid fight, but when the season ended and Carole spent about 6 weeks nonstop tweeting snarky stuff at Bethenny (who was not playing the game), I just went off her.

Re Tinsley and tennis, she stopped out of prep school in her junior year and trained at the Nick Bolletieri Training Camp in Florida for a year before returning to school. She probably forgot to mention that to Ramona.

Carol is so obscenely PC that it’s great to watch her lose it when somebody does or says something she finds offensive to her little PC puss.

If any other show takes off, she will be gone.

Interesting r437 I wonder if this is why things between her and Andy seem to have cooled.

Her talk show tanked. The Bravo show she did with Fredrik tanked (as did their friendship). Unless she's totally behind the scenes, I don't know that this is going to be a sure thing. Actually, I'm starting to think the SkinnySwill was a one-off. Her shapewear didn't sell, and it looks like her line of jeans are DOA. I guess we will see.

She's selling the jeans on HSN, so I can't imagine they are a total failure.

I wouldn't miss Bethenny. Since she's been back this time, she's been this dark cloud over the show. She clearly doesn't want to be on the show, other than to hawk her crappy products, so let her go be miserable on her own show.

I kind of want to see a Barbara and Ramona go at it.

Fun Fact: HSN and QVC sales don't always equate to money in the bank. My boss tried it out once (total pay to play by the way) and while he sold a lot of units, and got a bit of exposure, the cost of paid placement and blowback made it basically a wash. (Blowback means returns or a "regretful buy" aka order cancellations)

I don't know how her sales are doing, but I would assume any more exposure would be beneficial.

R443 Maybe, but maybe she's too over exposed. Again, time will tell.

I love that we get more Hamptons stuff this season, feels like seasons 1 and 2.

I suspect that Bethenny would really like to get off this show, but for whatever business reason feels she has to stay on. If the MGM thing takes off, I think she'll bail out of Bravo pretty quickly.

r446, business reason? How about the $1m paycheck?

She has enough $$ without this show. Posters on these threads have posited that Seagrams (or whoever bought her Skinnygirl booze brand) requires her to keep her name and the trademark in the public eye and that's why she has to stay with the show.

R448 It was Beam. And yes, part of the deal is she has to be a "brand ambassador". What is a bit funny is that we made fun of Jellybeans for being a self proclaimed "ambassador for wool" and, well, here we are! However, I still think JBeans is a completely addled cunt. That said, r422 mentioned that Bethenny is now behaving in a similar way and I do see that.

Love me some Sonja!

Sonja's schtick is very tired and very contrived. Andy loves though so she's never going away.

I think Sonja would be the most fun to spend time with.

Ramona - stupid, self-obsessed Dorinda - full of rage, manipulative LuAnn - demanding, self-obsessed Bethenny - overly ambitious, distracted Tinsley - materialistic, insecure

Barbara seems nice enough and has potential - but she's still an unknown - and apparently her relationship with LuAnn causes her to be tactically alienated from the group and unable to get an RHONY apple

eew Bethenny has a deal with fucking Mark Burnett? I realize the majority of people in entertainment are hypocrites but remember Burnett is the reason why the very bad Apprentice tapes of Trump have never been released. Burnett refuses to do it and won't unless for some reason he gets subpoenaed. I know Bethenny is a Clinton voter and not a Trump fan but remember her dead bf also lived in Trump Tower so this isn't a good look for her. Just because it has to do with Burnett, I hope her shows on MGM fail miserably

Sonja has been hilarious in her talking heads.

Dale makes her return!

The Bethenny/Dorinda moment was very touching. I enjoy Dorinda when she's like this.

THIS is when I love Dorinda. Starting around 0:50 to the end. Clip! Clip! Clip! So fucking hilarious!

Or this one.....clip! clip! clip!

I legit LOL'ed at Bethenny's impersonation of Ramona.

Why isn't Barbara a full-time housewife this season? She seems like a good addition to this group.

Sonja on the idea of NOT taking the lobsters: "That's not who I am". Hah!

I also loved B's impression of Ramona, she nailed the eyes, it was almost too good.

R459 I keep hearing that she pissed off just about everyone in the cast. I don't know if that is true, true, or DL true though.

Thanks, r461!

I'm glad to see they are showing Get a Room. Bravo kept dicking around with the time slot and I don't think it got the attention it deserved the first time it aired

That's weird, now it switched over to the second half of the most recent episode of BH. Sort it out Xfinity!

Aside from maybe the lobsters, that "clambake" looked low rent. Served it in Chinet? How dreadful.

Ramona never misses an episode to display what an awful person she is. Calling Barbara "masculine" and then saying Dennis wasn't smart because he used drugs...how does she have any friends?

oh look she tweeted a quick apology before the show aired but she's getting dragged in the comments

Tinz shut Sonja down as soon as the word "painkillers" came out of her mouth re: Dennis.

This yet another example of "drug talk" being shut down on camera. B accusing John of doing rails is a notable exception.

Does Aviva still have only one leg? Tragic, losing it in that woodchipper accident. Has she head surgery to correct?

R469 Aviva lost her leg when she was a going girl, it was a tragic but distant accident. Yes she still Has one real leg and lives life with that iconic prosthesis.

Everyone on DL was basically saying the same thing about Dennis.

If Barbara pissed them all off, I hope we at least get to see some of it on camera.

I am actually surprised Bethenny didn't jump on Tinsley from the onset. I knew aligning with Luann would never last.

I was the, I am sure, irritating asshole, who posted Bethenny's "Widow Shields" updates here as she milked it. She seems to have now "reframed" / re-edited her approach, at least as far as she was able. What a fucking shock. Oy!

Mentioning that Dennis (supposedly) got a ring for Bryn too was quite fucked up on at least three hundred levels. Just zip it.

It's funny that some people are going after Ramona for that comment, but isn't that generally most people's reaction in a situation like this?

Didn't her explanation of whether they were engaged or not change in this one episode. First explanation at the clambake and the second to Dorinda at the party were somewhat different. If she wants to be the charity lady, she shouldn't broadcast it on the show It's just creepy.

A lot of bethennys engagement story sounds fishy

R476 She did, and yes, it is creepy. But, at least at the time, she couldn't get called out on any of it, because of her kind of sort of but not really except when I need it status as the fiance of THE PERFECT MAN who was also a married drug addict (true! but we aren't allowed to talk about it) however "iced" that engagement may have been. Not iced enough that she wasn't going to sport that tacky costume cocktail looking ring.

Also for a heartbroken woman she seemed to hop on to some young dick pretty quickly (not unlike Jill zarin moving on before the body was cold). Not to shade -- I've never been widowed so maybe I don't understand -- but feels odd to me

Bethenny has let enough comments about Dennis and their relationship slip that it seems clear to me that it was really flawed, and that she wasn't at all confident that it could or should be permanent. I don't think it was necesarily about drugs, but more about commitment issues. At one point she was quoted as saying that the only way she got free of the relationship was that he died. I kind of get this--we've all been with someone that we couldn't bring ourselves to leave completely. Btw, she mentioned the engagement ring last season in Colombia so it's not a new story.

Ramona's nastiness has finally gone over the top, to say nothing of Luann's sense of entitlement and Dorinda's rage and self-absorption (all those tears in her scene with Bethenny were for herself and Richard--there was no real empathy there).

"Oh, Dennis would want me to fuck this hot stud who is only into me for my money" "Oh, Dennis would want me to fly down to North Carolina which is sadly not hit as hard by the storms but going anyway so I can look like a better person Oh, Tate's is out of their version of SkinnyGirl cookies, so I will fake eat on camera some of what they gave us free for promo--That's how Dennis would have wanted it.

Oh...

...and so on, and so on, and so on

Horrible try too hard cast! Lost it's charm. Used to love. I am trying but end up changing the channel. They always, ALWAYS end up focusing on and pushing forward the MOST Obnoxious cast members. I will not watch a season of the LuAnne and Sonja "we love us" show. Used to love this show for escape now I need to escape it. bummer

When does Jill appear?

I am actually surprised by how much I like Barbara. I am very curious now to see what happens as she seems like a natural fit right now.

I'm guessing the rest of the cast will find Barbara unbearably meddlesome and her incessant proclamations about "protecting" LuAnn too grating to tolerate. (That, and she entertains with paper plates and is generally very rough around the edges--although this criticism coming from Ramona is pretty funny)

For some reason, when Barbara speaks something about her mouth reminds me of Georgia Engel (she played Georgette on the Mary Tyler Moore show). I kept trying to figure out who she reminded me of, and that's it.

Can't wait to see Sonja getting her lez on!

It's so funny to watch Ramona lie and deny and deflect.

She's like a cornered animal - crazy eyes and all.

But she's is so narcissistic - she will walk into the trap just to be noticed.

Ramona has NO self-awareness - I've seen more mature teenagers.

Dorinda and her fat little Meat Puppet boyfriend John are both TRASH.

I loved that bit last night when Barbara (?) confronted Ramona about the lies, and Ramona, eyes darting around, says "which lie?" or something like that. And she ultimately had no defense to the Chris Burch lie.

Spot on, R490.

Agree, R482, LuAnn and Dorinda's feud has gone on too long.

Neither of them are in the right, or are even the least bit likable, in this feud.

I hate all these shrill harpies. Except Tinsley, but she's a bore.

I wonder if the Bravo producers could re-energize this franchise by spinning off some of these housewives into a Real Housewives of the Hamptons

As the poster upthread mentioned, it's much more interesting to see these women OUT of the city for a change.

Tinsley actually showed some signs of life last night. She was horrified (and vocal about it) that these stupid women were filling up tote bags with lobsters, and I think one other time she tried to dissuade them from something or other.

I've been an avid RHONY watcher since the first season, but I have to confess I'm over it. Once you lose your sense of humor about these stupid women, they're no longer fun to watch.

[quote]Once you lose your sense of humor about these stupid women, they're no longer fun to watch.

Exactly, R495, both Dorinda and LuAnn take themselves FAR too seriously.

Every disagreement is a fight to the death.

Last night's episode got less than 1.3 million viewers. Not great numbers. The cast is STALE.

Sonja and Tinsley need to go. Bring back Jill and Aviva or add in someone else who's got an interesting personality and storyline. The problem is the NYC cast has gotten far too comfortable and entitled

R497 Nobody liked Aviva. She was worse than Cindy Barshop.

I'd agree that the NY cast is too comfortable and entitled, but substituting Aviva and/or Jill isn't the solution; they are both dreadful. Aviva's seriously crazy and comes with that revolting father. Jill is the world's thirstiest famewhore. This week she's all over social media with (1) a podcast she's done with her sister (oy); (b) an offer to record a one-minute personal message for anyone who wants one....for a fee; and (3) her appearance with that Tyler Henry person, who's going to channel her poor dead husband. Anything--ANYTHING--for attention.

I don't disagree, R498, because I missed the one season with Aviva

But Cindy Barshop was one of the nastiest dead-eyed cunts I've ever seen on TV.

Season 5 was the best, even with Avevil. The show doesn't need Bethenny or Jill.

The housewives have become more of an over produced situation dramedy. Because of all the security concerns they very rarely film much in their real homes so they place them outside their homes in some lame charity/publicity situation and let them ad lib it out.

It was better when they spent time in their homes and everything wasn’t so staged. I loved the early episodes watching Luann go to real events with the count.

Cindy Barshop was the nastiest NY Jew bitch around. She just sucked and that’s all she did.

I barely remember Barshop. I remember a breakfast she had with Sonja who tried to explain the pecking order, and that Sonja ended up getting pissed off at her for some reason I can't recall. "I even got your special bread" sticks out for some reason. I also remember her creepy brother and their creepy relationship. That's it. How she got cast is beyond me.

Barbara really must have fucked things up, because she seems like a good fit so far.

Barshop was such a profoundly bad choice. I can't imagine who thought she belonged on that, or any show. To say nothing of her creepy brother. All those teefs.

I agree this show doesn't need Bethenny. I'll bet this is her last season. And I'll bet that if it is Carole will try to get back on.

I am soooo sure that some relative worked for somebody some where and that’s how Cindy Barshop got casted. There were probably 100 other girls that got overlooked because somebody made a phone call and said I’ve got this great gal that’s my friends niece and she’s single, she lives downtown and she’s very artsy!!

I thought that Chris Burch story was in Page Six. I know I heard someplace besides Ramona.

r507 I remember something too. This is what I found. A lot of careful language, but nothing that hints she was kicked out of the party. It was so clear that she was still drinking (and othering) back then. There seemed to be an article about her in "high spirits" every other week.

Sorry, here's the link

If the NY cast takes themselves "too seriously", I shudder to think what the description of the BH cast would be. I mean talk about self-important over overproduced.

r497, the ratings for these shows will never make sense to me. Everyone on every board complains about the dog story on BH yet it still maintains higher numbers. I can't even stomach that.

[quote]Exactly, [R495], both Dorinda and LuAnn take themselves FAR too seriously.

Agreed, I could picture Dorinda having a huge production meeting with her 'people' to brainstorm ideas like the Mermaid costumes (that looked cheap as shit BTW) so she can be seen as more 'fun and spontaneous' this season

Then Dorito immediately ruins it all by acting like a cross between Tony Soprano and a Gangsta rapper

Dorinda sounds more nasal than ever this season too...

She's never going to get all the Coke booogers out of her nasal passages as long as she's with John

Yeah, so hypocritical, nasty, and typical of Ramona to make that crack about Dennis being 'not too smart, he took drugs'.

You probably don't know this, Ramona, but that Adderall you snort is a drug too...

[quote] Everyone on every board complains about the dog story on BH yet it still maintains higher numbers. I can't even stomach that.

The BH women are more likable and relatable in comparison. Flyover America distrusts New Yorkers. They don't like fast talkers.

I’m beginning to see why everyone turns on Lu this season - She’s coming off as above it all and not likeable at all - I can't wait for Beth to turn on the alchy bitch and set her straight - She’s doing cabaret not selling out arenas like Beyoncé or Taylor Swift

Sonja’s Paper party was pure Sonja. Some of the guys in the bar scene looked rather sketchy.

The best part of Cindy's season was Sonja deliberately cropping her out of all of their trip photos and Cindy not finding out until they were back in NY.

I've noticed that Dorinda goes to all the signings and meet the Housewife events..and she is usually with the same crew, Giudice and Kelly from OC. People that need the $$. I sort of like Dorinda but this gives me pause. Perhaps she isn't as wealthy as believed?

r515, the BH women are more "likeable" and "relatable"? What are you smoking?

I did notice that when Barbara was defending Lu re: the chris Burch party she didn't exactly deny she was trashed and kicked out, and only said they left together...

Whatever else we might say about Barbara, she's certainly a loyal friend. Talk about slavish devotion!

R519 Dorindas NYC apartment is HORRIBLE! There’s barely room to turn around it. But I also wonder if that’s her real apartment or one they set up to film in. On BH that’s not Teddy’s house. They just film there. After Dorit and Kyle got robbed they now are super tight on security and what personal info they share/show.

Sonja looked bone thin in one of those Paper photos on display. I know she's lost weight, but her legs and arms looked about as wide as pipe cleaner. I think one of the graphic artists got a little overly ambitious with the cropping feature.

Sonja looked great on WWHL.

So I’ve been to several Paper Magazine parties and this one looked remarkably small and there were a ton of sketchy looking queens there. I don’t think these are real “parties” at all. It all looks very staged.

I love how Ramona, the woman who clomps along like a linebacker, said she thought Barbara wasn't very feminine.

Despite having too much filler in her face and lips, I like Barbara. She's very skilled at calling the other women out on their shit without coming across like a mega bitch.

Sonya threw that Paper party (with Bravo money). It wasn't the magazine's idea.

She broke.

R529 yes. It was pretty chintzy looking for a magazine party.

Barbara, who a while back, was trashing Lu (as well she should) is now she's her best friend. That's already one strike against her. I do feel like there is nobody to root for anymore. Contrary to some of the people on here, I really liked Carole and was sorry to see her go. The only one besides that I like is Dorinda, and now even she is not looking so good. If everyone turns on Lu this season, I may make it through the season, otherwise, I'm done.

Yes the Carol troll has appeared.

I'm not the Carole troll. Wow. You really think there's only one person on here who likes her? Fuck you. Obviously, you are the anti-carole troll.

R523 What are you talking about? Of course that’s Teddi’s House on RHOBH. They don’t just “film there for security reasons”. She bought it from DL fave Megan Ellison. That is also Dorinda’s apartment. It would be far too costly for Bravo to be renting out “fake” houses for each of the women to film at.

Barbara was actually dead on in that moment with Carole - only Luann saw it as "trashing" because it wasn't blind support.

Luann is more crafty than they originally gave her credit for.

But that is classic Luann, r536.

Luann is crafty in the way that people with personality disorders can be. And like them, she lies quite cheerfully even when the facts are known to everyone--like her story about selling the Hamptons house.

This has probably been covered before but Luann has always been a terrible mum. In early seasons we saw her young son miserable because she was going out again and was never around, her pretending to be an interested mother for the cameras when she clearly had no clue about caring for her kids, when the actual caring was done by Rosie who had an actual bond with the children who just looked generally embarrassed by Luann's performance. This is, I'm sure normal for children of rich narcissists but you have to feel sorry for them. She also seems to be someone with no self awareness or ability to be embarrassed by her own actions. Complaining that the woman at the cancer benefit in season 2 didn't refer to her as a countess on stage when she had but Luann was too busy talking to hear, then taking the mike to tell everyone to listen and stop talking (because she was being 'honoured'), then sitting down and immediately starting to talk over them again was just embarrassing. Watching those episodes I feel sure that she felt no embarrassment though. I don't know how people can have so little self-awareness, apart from having a personality disorder that is.

She clearly lies so, even though I dislike Ramona, I actually believe her in this instance. Ramona is stupid and rude and entitled and narcissistic but we don't know her to lie like Luann and Bethenny do, nor is she nasty and manipulative like they are. So I'm on the messier 'blonde' team, not because they're good people but the others are hypocritical liars who for some reason think they're better than the others.

Also, for the most part Barbara seems like a decent, honest person and loyal who mistakenly wondered onto a Housewives set by mistake, since her reactions to events are just confusingly normal. I think she can't last because, if anything, she is too decent for them. But, and I hate to say this, whoever on this thread said that she looks like a thumb is right and that is really distracting for me every time I see her on screen, so thanks for that.

Let's call her Thumbelina!

Actually, correction, Ramona is definitely nasty, I mean I don't want to sound like I'm claiming she's a decent person or anything. It's just that her nastiness seems to come from stupidity and entitlement rather than the strange manipulativeness of Luann and Bethenny, whose object a lot of the time seems to be to make themselves feel good just by making other people feel bad. There is a different quality to their nastiness which isn't helped, as I said, by their hypocrisy in pretending that they are somehow better than the others, which is a joke.

Luann trying to pretend she thinks Dorinda (who is admittedly a truly terrible drunk) is addicted to alcohol and needs and intervention was ludicrous, and Barbara shut that down immediately. What a nasty person; I could see the look of confusion on Barbara's face when Luann said it because it was so out of left field.

I absolutely agree with you, r538 and r541!

I’m guilty of the thumb comparison - love or hate me! Seriously I thought something was wrong with her face/health issue and that’s why she didn’t get an apple. Now I’m seeing a little bit of the kid from Mask. God help me.

Barbara really is most unfortunate looking, but she does seem to be a good egg. It will be interesting to see if she (and the others) are gradually more appalled at Luann's behavior.

Luann got MUCH "craftier" after she was demoted during that one season. Since then, she has been very careful to be a focal point so she doesn't lose her spot.

I was reading that interview with Ramona and Dorinda about returning housewives, etc and it was very telling that Ramona basically says the reality tv/hw game is selling your soul to the devil.

I find it hard to believe that Ramona ever had a soul. Was that the interview where she shat all over Barbara?

For those of you complaining about paper plates at Barbra’s clamblake have obviously never been to one. You don’t use fine china. The reason clam bakes are served on paper plates is because they absorb all the the juices which if on a regular plate would spill on you. Clam bakes are messy I spent a summer doing them.

r547, no. That was the interview where they both basically said Jill probably would not be back full-time and it's a different show now.

R535 do u really believe everything you read? Dorindas apartment looks more like that of one of the crews that they borrow for filming.

And no, teddy did NOT buy that home. After the robberies she didn’t want any filming in the dump she lives in. They are only showing Denise’s beach house so far. Not her main residence.

R548 thank you!! Obviously a lot of these posters haven’t been to any parties in the Hamptons much. Fine china at a casual cook out style dinner???

It’s not like that especially if you are at an old moneyed families place. I can’t tell you the number of cook outs I’ve been to with burgers and glass bottles of soda. Not saying the formal sit downs don’t happen but expecting China at a clambake??? Reallllllyy....

[QUOTE]Luann got MUCH "craftier" after she was demoted during that one season. Since then, she has been very careful to be a focal point so she doesn't lose her spot.

I think the best decision the producers ever made was demoting Luann that season. She scratched and clawed her way back to that apple and provided some delicious drama all the way along (not caring in the slightest how any of the "storylines" she created for herself might ruin her life or the lives of her children).

No one "robbed" Dorit. It was a not-particularly-well-executed insurance fraud. PK and Dorit are poor as fuck.

Ramona's thirsty antics believing she's a hot piece of snatch compared to the thousands of actually attractive women in New York gives me life.

I read an article the other day that suggested reality tv was bad for us because it depicted 'aspirational' lifestyles that we can't have. I don't know how many people feel that, but honestly, watching RHONY is surely the opposite? some of these women are actually rich and some are not quite as rich as they'd like us to think, but they all seem so sad and desperate and honestly a bit pathetic. I really really wouldn't want to be any of them.

I think it's great that Barbara seems to really be winning viewers over. Check social media, she's been taking off with fans.

Doesn't matter. She's toast.

Let’s get back to trashing Cindy Barshit.

Bethenny is so ugly on the outside and inside. Why do fraus like her?

I dont think any of them other than Tinsley were actually brought up with money. Luanne was an LPN before she found the Count and cant stand the idea of not being in the upper echelon which makes her desperate and selfish. Bethenny-same. Her dad was a horse trainer and a trashy mobster type. She is tough and street wise not elegant at all but she tries to act above everyone else. Sonja had her moment in the sun with her hubby but she was a coat check girl before him. Ramona is total trash from upstate NY. Barbara seems more suited for Jersey than NY but she seems real at least.

I think it's the level of entitlement and false superiority that Bethenny has that baffles me R-559. Where on earth does it come from?

I think Betnenny grew up with some $$ but not enough for her to compete. She went to boarding school. She probably got her thirst there.

This episode had some really funny moments. Ramona walking slowing up to the table with LuAnn. The many mentions of Ramona's crazy eyes. Bethenny's impersonation of Ramona. Ramona leaving with a bag full of lobster. I fast forwarded through B's charity work. Otherwise...I just can't help but love these betches.

Funnily enough I had a friend like that in the past. Like Bethenny she would often talk about how tough her childhood was and encourage people to feel sorry for her and like they were luckier than her in that department even when they had experienced objectively bad things themselves (her childhood was not as bad as Bethenny's was). But had also had money for a period of time as a child so had a strange mix of being spoiled for a time but also not having that great a childhood in other ways, although certainly not abusive. She also was entitled and seemed to believe she was better than other people, and had the same kind of brittle narcissism and intensity of Bethenny. I mean they're different in other ways but Bethenny definitely reminds me of her. We drifted apart because of her narcissism really and the entitlement - she used to make me feel like I owed her something or was beholden to her in some way all the time, and everything - good or bad - was usually about her. I could sympathise with Carole on that trip they took last year. When you stop caring you just stop caring, and these people do tend to cycle through friends,

Sorry that was meant to have paragraphs ^^ I don't know what happened to them.

I think Bethenny has probably been defensive most of her life. Not as much money, skeevy family, embarrassing childhood. When she and Jill were friends Jill and Bawby were very generous to her, but Jill often made a point of reminding Bethenny how much she and Bobby were doing for her. It's awful to have to feel grateful all the time, and it must have made Bethenny feel especially good when she made her fortune, largely on her own, but like a lot of people who grew up insecure, she probably still is. The air of confidence and entitlement is probably an act.

Yeah I agree with you R-564, much as I dislike Bethenny I think she's also what her circumstances have made her. I feel terribly sorry for people who don't have family they can rely on, at least when they're young and most people do. Having a mum who will always look out for you and you don't have to be constantly grateful to. These things are very different with family.

[quote]I think it's the level of entitlement and false superiority that Bethenny has that baffles me R-559. Where on earth does it come from?

It comes from her being a cunt. It doesn't have to be any deeper than that.

I don’t feel sorry for Bethenny. She has plenty of money now but still chooses to put her ugly mug on TV.

You're a prince, r566

sorry; meant r567--Mr. Milk of Human Kindness.

I'm so happy Carole is gone. She was the fucking worst.

Love Carole and Dorinda. The others can rot. This season is lacking .

I love Bethany. I just absolutely Love her. I will watch anything she’s in. I wish her talk show were still airing. I think you should all get fucked because you are jealous of her.

My goodness.

(R572) No lovely, not jealousy - I'm very very glad I'm not her. Don't mistake money, big fake breasts and (unfortunately) what looks like an eating disorder for happiness. I meant what I said above; she's not remotely likeable but she is, like all of us, a product of her experiences.

Just rewatching season 2. It was definitely a deliberate decision to take that one snippet out of Simon's review of the fashion show about the seats that 'gave us a nice long view of both the front and back' and play it over him watching the male model walking down the runway.

Laughing so much at the season 2 episode where Ramona asks Kelly for advice on how to deal with her discomfort around Simon and Kelly's reply is absolutely bonkers. It's like Ramona has met someone crazier than her and it's so confusing. When Kelly talks to anyone it always comes across like she's in a completely different conversation with them - she clearly knows what they're saying and is trying to respond but what she says makes no sense.

That's a good description of Kelly Beensomeone's particular brand of crazy, R576.

She was always on a different wavelength than everyone else - but she generally didn't care - it was everyone else's problem

I love when there are glimpses of the "old" Bethenny and her humor. The Ramona impression had me rolling.

Barbara looks like Jennifer Lopez after a bottle of wine and several rounds of medical steroids (the puff your face ones)

I can't stop thinking about the Barbara/Thumb analogy from upthread either.

I find myself really liking Barbara.

But I'm also grinning or laughing when I watch her now.

Barbara + Thumbelina = Barbralina

For Barbara the middle part needs to go and all the wefts added in for this picture also don’t make her hair look the best. I also would lighten up the makeup.

Bethenny is hideous.

Ramona seems like a truly terrible harpy like she'd be painful to know in person but she's exactly what reality TV needs more of.

Carole is a hipster young girl of 19. I caught a few moments of the wedding photo shoot she had for Baby. Then it comes out she’s a dyke and rude to our girl, Bethenny? Fuck Carole, good riddance. She’s absolutely nothing.

R540 how about Thumbra?

After all of that, they didn't even show them eating the lobster. Just Tinsley's caviar (and bar fruit for Sonja)

We saw some clam eating.

A dyke? Says who?

Bethenny is using Dennis's death for story and it's disgusting. They were not engaged. They were not even together when he died. He may have asked her to marry him at one point and she kept the ring but they were not engaged or a couple when he died. Her wearing that ring and telling everyone is to make her more sympathetic. That and her BStrong affiliation with Delivering Goods (the real charity). Bethenny affiliated with them. Slapped her branding all over everything and takes credit for it but most of the work comes from Delivering Goods.

I'm afraid you may be right about the engagement, r589. (And a propos nothing, Dennis' very estranged wife was just as quick to take the proprietary grieving widow role the second he died. People are jerks).

She did acknowledge Delivering Goods on this episode as being the principal force behind these relief efforts, but the reference was pretty oblique.

The new thread needs to be accompanied by a glamorous picture in the header.

[quote]The new thread needs to be accompanied by a glamorous picture in the header.

And what does your crusty old cunt have to do with glamour, Jill?

"ThumBra", I likey

When Barbara called out Ramona's obsequious behavior, I thought I would die laughing.

"Yeah, like I'm gonna call my 20 year-old son and ask him if he wants to come over and eat some of Ramona's pie."

I wouldn't touch Ramona's pie either!

Ramona's Pie, talk about a place where it's 'dark down there'...

Who knows what was said about Chris Burch's Christmas party?

I just want everybody to get to a place where they can say "I'm a Sexaholic" or "I'm an Alcoholic"...

Excuse me for caring about people!

Bethenny running around to shelters and handing out gift cards while sporting her leather Chanel backpack was a special kind of fucked up.

They really need to bring Jill Zaria back.

[quote]They really need to clean Jill Zaran's filthy cunt

I fixed it for you.

Go get a job on QVC, Jill Zarin