Real Housewives of New York City Season 12 While Waiting for Season 13. Gingha!

Poor Ginger!

Was it filmed for Bravo?

I think Carole should go for the spot on The Talk.

Seems like Barbara is a full HW and not just a friend.

But isn't it odd that they would be filming the opening sequence so early in filming?

Is this a record for how quickly the dirt came out?

Jill has been coy but she's been, at the least, spotted with Andy recently. This is from her dog's fake Instagram account during the US Open.

She was also with Lu yesterday. I'm not sure how much that says, but Lu responded to a comment with #TeamBrunette. This could be a callback to season 4, but it could also be a reference to what's already been reported about this year's filming that it's going to be Brunettes vs. Blondes again.

If Jill was filming, it would be reported. All the sites reported quickly when the news about Barbara came out.

Who is this Jake Spitz and why is he involved a lot with the HWs? he looks familiar.

Miss Cohen has compared Carole to Trump...??!!

Gossip from BTS at the RHONY panel

Fucking Cohen said re: Jill returning "Never say Never" and that he thinks it would be "cool"?! What the fuck? He swore she would never return. He is such a shitstain. R9 Where did you hear that?

r11, I saw it on the reddit board.

I hate that you are making me defend him, but he never said that about Jill.. In fact he was the one saying he wanted her back for cameos as far back as season 6.

The three of them look great in that pic.

Thanks R12 I guess his stance has softened. Still, BARF! Stay away from the dark Tinsley! No tennis playing with the demon Susan Sanders!

R11 I looked and can't find. Not to be a pest but could you throw me a link? I always get so lost trying to navigate that site.

He apparently made that analogy with Carole being "Trumpian" on that Jerry O Connell show.

I know Andy has an incredibly fragile ego, but in a surprisingly new low and in his long tradition of making up the questions on Bravo's shows, on the new show he brought up *again* the fact that Carole said he was full of shit on the RHONY Reunion.

And the proof that he thinks it's the worst possible insult (when in reality the whole world knows it's the 100% truth) he compares Carole to Trump, knowing how she feels about him. It's also proof that most of the housewives don't say what they really think of him because he'll bring it up incessantly all over Bravo.

Wow r16 and r17 that is really the worst (and most ridiculous) thing he could have said about her. What a massive baby. People call each other full of shit all the time, but did it strike a nerve with Miss Cohen! He must know deep down he's a fraud.

Cohen is an innately insecure child. He is fine to talk shit about anyone, but when someone calls him out or challenges him, he gets butt hurt and nasty.

The B and the Tinz have been filming one on one. I called this the minute I saw her placating Tinsley at the reunion.

Yeah, I saw that too r20. After Carole threw Tinz under the bus about the state of their friendship. Tinsley had this totally devastated look on her face, and after that it was like chum in the water. Bethenney was all smiles toward her. Especially that fake open mouth wide eyed smile she does. I was like uh-oh.

And the major Bethenny/Tinsley feud is then planned for season 12. Just watch.

R22 really they’re gonna keep Tinsley on for yet ANOTHER season?

R20 It's just like old times!

What a creepy snap. Jesus.

Why was Bethenny getting invited to ANYTHING back then?

I love how in that picture taken 11 years ago. Bethenney has this shit eating hey look who I am hanging with, and the Tinz has a "who is this person?" look on her face. I'm sure Bethenney will make her pay for this dearly.

R27 haha true. They also both look like shit in that pic - I mean B obviously looks way worse, but that’s so not a good pic of Tinz either (and that dress!)

Damn I remember when that book came out. I remember when people actually cared about Patrick McMullan. Really does seem like a whole other world - so much about that scene has changed its amazing.

I can't wait to see them as besties before Bethenny slits her throat

Very interesting that it seems Carole doesn't talk to Dorinda or Tinsley.

R30 it's only been a bit over a month.

@R30 - Quelle surprise. They can't do anything for her; they're socially useless because they've frozen her out (Doris) or they're barely scraping by (Tinz).

I used to like Carole, now I think she is a garbage person. Talking to "US"? They are under the same umbrella as the National Enquirer: American Media, home of Friends of Trump. How did Ms. Journalist and Hillary supporter not know that? Also, I am disgusted by the way she fake friended Tinsley (and to a lesser extent, Dorinda), who obviously did not get the memo. Add to that the one person from the cast she hangs with is Ramona, another Trump supporter. Something in the milk isn't clean.

r33, is it possible that perhaps Ramona is a good friend to people and that's why Carole talks to her, having nothing to do with their political affiliations?

Well R34 she was on the Ramona is annoying as fuck team for most of her time on the show, so I don't know what would cause a sea change. Actually, Ramona does not bother me, but I have heard so many horror stories about her on set. Maybe she is a different person off camera, I don't know.

r35, actually Carole started warming to Ramona a while ago.

I don't remember that, I must have missed it. But my disgust with her for being so hurtful to Tinsley stands. I don't remember Carole and Ramona going on vacation or helping Ramona find a man, or doing commercials together.

I think we all underestimate how much is done just for the show. The "poor Tinsley" bs doesn't fly with me.

R38 true. Speaking of, pictures of the Tinz at that stupid QUEST 400 party (for the DLers who follow all that) with all the usual suspects she always used to pose for pictures with. THIS is what she wanted - not to truly reinvent herself or seriously monetize her brand (for which I would give her props), but for it to be 2005 all over again. It’s pathetic.

And those magazines and that crowd is more irrelevant than its ever been, and they’re only going to become more irrelevant.

How is this so sensitive a topic the op is lined through ?

Well what's the dirt? Has Jill filmed at all?

Have we heard this? Apparently Bethenny's appearance on HSN had to be pushed back because the jeans are selling so quickly that they didn't have enough stock for the spot.

Who is buying these??

She's buying her own up to create buzz R42 would be my guess.

I see they are not even "affordable" for her mainly frau fan base. I want to know who is spending $100 on these jeans.

I'm more of a Jordache girl myself. My season 7 tagline was originally supposed to be, "I've got the look... the Jordache look!"

It's funny that Bethenny boasts a lot about "branding", but yet she can't seem to pick a lane in terms of what her brand is. First it was liquor, then snacks, now it's jeans?

The Widow Shields needed some attention so she called the paps, as you do, to show off the effects of her "grief diet". She really has no idea how badly she comes across, does she?

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Nice bulge

When will the B launch SkinnyGuy?

When she finds out she can't milk the (suspicious) demise of her betrothed, Dennis any longer R50

There is a whole untapped market of manorexic guys who need jeans.

Suck it, haters!

Miss C is STILL teasing viewers about Jill.

The Widow Shields "accidentally" texted her late "fiance", and needed to let the world know. MILK IT BITCH, KEEP ON MILKING IT.

I don't whether Andy is just simply fucking with Jill, or whether there is a legitimate production problem with her return.

I think he's just fucking with her. He swore up and down that she would NEVER be asked back. Then again, this is Miss Cohen we are talking about. I guess anything could happen. Ugh.

BTS filming

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Backwards cameraman is the MVP!

The B has a new BF and he's a 29yo hottie!!!

Suck it, haters!

Get it B!

That was fast. I think she was getting heat for her professional widow act re: Dennis

I have a feeling this is another publicity stunt. That guy ain't straight

It's not the 29yo from that pic.

She's apparently dating film producer Paul Bernan - that's the guy in those TMZ pics

He resembles Jason

Oh god he really does look like Jason. Looks like she has a thing for "beta" guys. I think Dennis was too alpha for her. I still can't believe the authorities didn't go sniffing around her after he died. Or maybe they did and for once she kept her trap shut.

OMG! This looks fun as fuck! I am ready for NY's return already!!

So much contribution from the Tinz! She’s really earned her spot this season!

R68 I have been kind of the pro Tinz troll on here, so this makes me happy. I am sure Bethenney will figure out a way to destroy her sooner than later though. It is what she does.

They really stuck it to Jill again, huh?

Good or bad, I know who I am and I own it!

They are definitely still "punishing" her. If they can let Danielle film as a steady friend, surely they can let Jill back in.

Oh Jill is going to have a SERIOUS meltdown on her rugs over this.

r73, just goes to show Page Six is not accurate. Bethenny ran into her and put it on her IG. They were not filming RHONY.

I'm ready for these bitches to be back!

HOLY FUCK. The Carol Ghoswriter thing is very interesting.

But in the end, Kelly is INSANE

Kelly thinks she stood up to Bethenny? When? LMAO

It was so fucking obvious Carole used a ghost writer.

1. The way she interacted with her editor in season 7 was just beyond embarrassing. Doesn't adhere to deadlines, acts if deadlines are a foreign concept. Nice going Writer Girl.

2. The way she went after Aviva, including getting her in a choke hold with one hand was insane. The lady doth protest too much. Then there was the incessant screaming and personal attacks. Bitch you must have known your secret wasn't safe.

3. The vastly different quality in both books, almost as if they were written by two different people.

Kelly is another one who would come back in a millisecond if they called her.

R79, truly sounds like Aviva.

The "chokehold" was a light touch of the neck- a reflexive reaction. Go watch it on Hulu, Aviva-

So Jill is not even filming as a friend? LMAO!

It is kind of shocking that Kelly is still so fucking delusional. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt since we now know how fucked up Bethenny is, but Kelly is still spewing nonsense in 2018. She stood up to Bethenny? She was the voice of reason? Lawd.

R80 Hi Carole, nice to you see you around your gays. I know you're super old and your eyesight is failing, so next time when you reference a comment, get the number right Writer Girl.

If only Carole was this shady during her first 4 years.

Kristen has popped back up again. Wait a minute, guys...we were just *joking* about her coming back.

There is only one HW we wall want back and it's not Kristen

^ the Jewasian one with the bruised pussy?

GLAM

Jill is selling her apt and leaving for a warmer climate.

She will never be back!

LMAO!

Girls! Girls! It's a time to rejoice! Jill was filming with the women at a gala!

Taking a picture together does not mean she was filming....

People at the event were taking Instagram Stories and it was clear the cameras were following the women, which included Jill.

Oh shit!

Mario is back in the picture and filming??!

LMAO!! Are they throwing Jill another one and done event filming?? Unless they confirm she has filmed multiple times, then they are teasing her.

Mario and Ramona back together is -actually- some good gossip. Wow!

If hot daddy Mario is back in NY, is he back at the steam rooms?

Ramona was the most asinine when she was with Mario, so I am completely here for this conscious recoupling.

Ramona spoke to a Page Six rep about Mario being spotted filming with her, to which she responded by hanging up the phone. That's as good as a confirmation that they're back together as having it written on her forehead.

I suspect it could be just be for a storyline, but nonetheless, it will be fun to see Mario grovel.

Whoever says the Bravo cameras were at the Angel Ball seem to be correct, but I still suspect this was just an appearance by Jill. I don't think she's filming regularly.

Well, fans, I have to tell you that I can't keep this a secret anymore: I got Mario and Ramona back together. I did! And I own it!

REJOICE!!!

Can someone explain what's happened to That Girl! Carole since the reunion ended? She's really stopped giving a fuck.

r103, clearly she's not employed by Bravo/NBC anymore, so she's free to speak her mind.

There has been no peep about Barbara since the very beginning and now the Jill stuff is heating up. I wonder who will get the apple in the end.

You know what, I have to tell you, and I'm sorry to be blunt, but I don't see it happening for this Barber person. As for myself, I've got a lot to offer...including fabulous rugs! And I own it!

Jill will only be filming as a friend.

Barbara was test filming in the beginning and could very much likely just be a friend as well.

They don't need a full-time replacement specifically.

YASSS, Miss Carole! Call out the hypocrisy!

Ramona is a fool for getting back with Mario. What is she thinking? Isn’t he getting bjs at Equinox on the regular? She can do better. He must be running out of money and he’s using her. I wish someone would knock some sense into her. I bet Beth will have some choice words about this latest development in her confessionals.

I was rooting for Carole but at this point she needs to STFU. Luann was not in blackface on the show. She wore an Afro wig and some bronzer. I thought she was above all this now and wanted to be a journalist again? Go away!

r109, don't overlook the fact that Ramona could have agreed to a reunion tease for storyline purposes.

Carole's a jerk. It took only days after the reunion for her to get on Twitter and trash Bethenny relentlessly--and gratuitously, since B was distracted by the Shields business and was hardly paying attention to Carole's middle-school cattiness. And she's still doing it, with the jeans.

Jill has been filming, but it's really not clear whether she just shows up or whether Bravo's asking her to participate. The woman's so busy posting on social that she hardly needs screen time on RHONY. She and that ridiculous dog are seriously overexposed. Kavovit is still around,, offering interviews to US and assorted rags. Jeez, she's coarse looking.

r111, Jill was allegedly taking "direction" from producers at that event so the speculation is she was filming with them. I suspect she has also probably filmed privately with Luann. But she was not at the recent circus event.

They are filming Halloween.

I wouldn't look for much fanfare around Jill's inevitable return; she'll just gradually ooze into the frame until she's there most of the time. With that horrid little dog.

AFAIK, Jill has only filmed one group event. This does not mean she's back for the entire season.

You may be right, r115. What I meant is that if she does come back, it will happen so gradually that it's barely noticeable--and then the following season she'll get her apple.

I honestly think they are stringing Jill along in case Bethenny decides to leave. That's the only way she'll get an apple back.

It crossed my mind to wonder whether Jill's put her tacky condo on the market to force Bravo's hand--"if you don't let me back on the show I'll leave NY". Of course, that would be extreme behavior, but not for Jill. And I don't think she's leaving NY anyway. She'll buy a smaller place and maintain a presence, even if Boca is her primary residence.

Sonja has been looking really good lately.

So I'm a bit late with this, but in this article about the flack Bethenny received over her Halloween costume her response claims she has only ever had a Breast lift. I mean, that's a lie no? She had a full on boob job, so she's lying. That's to say nothing of the obvious work she's had done to her face. Though maybe she doesn't include that as a part of her body (as in torso).

Here's the link to the article I read (and forgot to include in my post at R120)

Not a lift. Implants, unmistakably.

What is the problem with the costume?

The Widow Shields gets around directly saying she has implants by saying instead she had a breast lift. Most breast lifts, and oh-so-clearly in her case, include implants.

Everyone understands the euphemism. She can't really think she's fooling anyone.

Who is polishing Jason's knob lately?

Who cares?

I also believe that Carole had a ghostwriter for her book. Or a very friendly hand in helping to craft it if that makes it easier for her to handle hearing. I think the rumor is it was her sister in law. Her Twitter posts are hardly writerly. In fact about a third or more are her flogging her shit on Poshmark. Kind of pathetic. I thought she was going to come out journalistic guns blazing after she quit the show as she was finally showing signs of life toward the end, and wanted to prove that all of her best work was a long time ago. Nope. It's back to boring Carole.

I wish NY was back already.

Carole seems to be leaning on her influential friends (Christiane Amanpour, for one; she was JFK Jr's bestie) to get her gigs. I don't think she has much to offer.....and she's still using social media to shade Frankel without the slightest provocation.

Carole was on some home shopping site selling sex toys in the middle of the night. Guess she needs money.

She's worth millions, isn't she? Maybe she does it for the attention.

Carole was selling sex toys? Really?

She talked about sex toys occasionally during the season.

I loathe Bethenny Frankel. I detest her. She is rude and nasty and obnoxious. For those of you who actually like her my question is WHY???????

I personally think she is just a great reality tv character.

True (R136) she is a great reality tv character for all of the reasons listed above. Her own insecurity comes out so strongly in her meanness to other people. So sad, she has all that success and money and she's clearly very unhappy, or why else would she need to be so awful.

I sometimes do feel bad for her, because it seems like there is DEEP emotional pain there. But she is the type that would never let you break through the wall.

About B: I have to say that while her awfulness may manifest itself differently, it's no worse than the others'. Ramona has no redeeming qualities as far as I'm concerned; Doris was either faking her early charm or something has happened to turn her surly and combative; Sonia is self destructive; and the Countess? Well....

r139, they are still all better than any of the cows in other franchises IMO

I agree. My point was only that Bethenny's no worse than the rest of the NY cast.

I actually think she is (R141) i mean they're pretty much all awful, in their narcissism, shallowness, aggressiveness, selfishness, etc. but the emotional manipulation used by Bethenny and the targeted way she tries to undermine people, and her self-righteousness while she's doing it, just seems more insidious to me, more calculated, which imo makes it worse.

You can see Ramona coming, she's a narcissistic idiot, but she does seem to be a genuinely good friend to people sometimes, whereas Bethenny would pretend to be your friend and then turn on you, or bully you in such a sneaky way that it's difficult to point out what she's doing.

Not sure how that behavior is so different from Doris, or Radziwill. Or, God knows, Jill Zaaaarin.

I don't feel sorry for Bethenny one bit. Everyone has emotional baggage. She is no different than anyone else. But she goes out of her way to be cruel to others. She is a miserable human being with no redeeming qualities.

They all look great!

You're a prince, r144.

NY is really the only franchise I can stomach these days. I like Dallas too.

Dallass sucks. Bethenny deserves to die in a grease fire after having every other cast member relegate her to the same status that she so brutally attacked. Die Bethenny!!!

jesus.

Hi Jason @r148

YASSSS! Caught filming again!

Yup, our Jill is posting it all over Insta. And not a sign of Kavovit lately; I wonder if Jill just pushed her out of the way. Not that I think she's any great loss, but I really can't bear the thought of Jill.

Jill has not filmed enough to be full-time.

Barbara filmed over Halloween - she was never confirmed as a full-time wife.

2 Widows 1 Hag

Can't wait for NY!

Whether or not she's full-time, r153, Zarin is filming. Feh.

I don't care about Kavovit one way or the other, but she does seem particularly coarse and Staten Island-y. (not that the others hail from Manhasset, but).

Interesting that anytime Jill has been spotted filming, Bethenny is no where in sight.

Is the Tinz actually going to do anything this season?

The Tinz is going to stand there looking droopy, as she always does.

r157, Jill posted an old photo of herself and Bethenny when they were still BFFs on her Insta yesterday. It's not the first time in the last few months that she's managed to make a connection between the two of them, but I doubt she can make it happen. Bethenny seemed willing (and maybe eager) to bury the hatchet and be civil, but she never indicated that she wanted to revive a close friendship with Jill. And I think she'll be as scarce as possible during the coming season--around enough to keep her apple and no more.

r159, Bethenny has filmed a lot so her being scarce is not happening.

Luann seems to be the one who is missing a lot from group shots or group parties.

She has? Good.

You're right about Luann. She may be feeling she doesn't need the show so much now that she's a (gasp) cabaret star.

And how in the world did that happen, anyway?

With all of Tom's exploits, you'd think there would be a cock pic floating out there somewhere.

Jill's posting photos with Tinz today. She's really pushing hard.

And while she's certainly trimmer than in the Bad Old Days, she's become something close to ugly.

And you are clearly eating it up, r163.

I love the people who complain about Jill and then report on her every move.

And we love you, too, r164.

Season 11 cast?

Confirmed by the official RHONY/Bravo Instagram account. The Jillnaissance is upon us.

Again, they are filming - it does not mean they are official housewives.

Page Six reporting that she is back.

All page six reported was that she filmed two events.

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Only a few episodes

RHONY films into March. Nothing has been set in stone yet except the core who already have contracts.

Jill's PR team is working overtime, as is Jill, on her campaign to get back on this show. She is ubiquitous on social media (her posts on Insta are so bad that I'm sure she does them without help from a "team") and in schlocky entertainment news. Evidently her claim that she's leaving NYC permanently to take up residence in Boca or West Palm was bullshit.

I am very disappointed that her manipulations have succeeded.

LMAO, r174. You are giving her way too much credit. The plan for Jill to guest more in this season was planned last year.

And you know this how, r175.

r176, you would have to be deaf and blind to not have seen the signs going back to Bobby's funeral. Even from Andy Cohen. The minute Bethenny said on camera that Jill apologized and admitted she was very wrong, everyone should have realized the writing was on the wall.

Not responsive to my question, r175/r177; that's not knowledge, it's conjecture.

Yes, the same "conjecture" that Jill's campaigning is what caused them to allow her to film.

And I didn't posit that as fact. There can be no doubt that she's been campaigning; I never said, and don't know, whether that was behind Bravo's decision (if there's been a decision).

These threads prove that Jill is a lightning rod for discussion which is what Bravo loves.

She has filmed cameos the last two seasons - not sure why it such a big deal now.

R173 they have a different filming schedule this year. i think they're ending filming at the new year

r182, they will likely film into February because they are all given a 2 week break for the holiday. The cast trip will likely be in Jan or Feb this year rather than March.

Also these timelines for shooting aren't set in stone either. Depending on what is actually happening and if they have usable footage they can/will extend shooting. Both Atlanta and Beverly Hills have had filming extended outside of their normal timelines.

r184, NY is usually a more structured show from a production standpoint.

Rest easy...it's only guest appearances...

Hallelujah!

Really, this woman has spent the last 6 years trying to get back on the show she was fired from. Pathetic.

I can't believe so many of you let the mention of Jill get you in a frenzy.

In the face of so much evidence to the contrary, why don't you just believe it? Nobody seems to have any trouble with the Bethenny haters.

so that only means producers are testing a Jill comeback. If she boosts ratings, she'll be back full-time a year from now.

All the posters who said "Jill will NEVER be back!1!1!1!" look really dumb now. She's back

And who are you, r190? Her weird nephew? The woman has spent the last 6 years campaigning for this; who cares if she has a triumph?

R191 uh who's calling it a triumph? I don't care about Jill as a person but she makes for good reality tv. The point is there were a few posters here SWEARING for years that Jill would NEVER, EVER be back. Then last year she had the cameo with the funeral. They claimed it was a 1-off. Wrong. Now this season she's getting a friend role. I expect next year she'll be back full-time. Not sure why you're so heated about it

KC is cooling down

wrong link

Ramona's bday celebration has started!

Ramona is tiresome.

Ramona is reality gold, and she doesn't piss me off like some of the other hos like Vicki, Trampra and Vyle Richards.

r190, who has "vowed" that when she has made appearances the last two seasons? I honestly don't understand why this is even an issue in the "media". She is doing exactly what she did the last two seasons - drop in guest appearances.

I am surprised Bethenny did want to get Jill groveling and apologizing on camera.

I don't know what you're quoting, r197. In any case, one of those "drop-in guest appearances," initiated by Jill herself, occurred outside the funeral service for husband Bawby, who had been dead no more than 48 hours. Imagine losing your beloved spouse and still having the presence of mind to reach out to Bravo to suggest they send a film crew to the event. (on the same day, she posted a video of herself and family members in a van to or from the cemetery. Family looks pained and embarrassed as Jill prattles on. )

I actually thought Bravo did a nice little tribute to Bobby himself in that episode...

(Ducks and covers)

I thought Jill's rendition of "Goodbye Schmatta King" sung to the tune of Goodbye Norma Jean at the funeral, was a classy sendoff.

I love that she gave every funeral attendee a 20% off coupon for her rug line. Very generous.

I think it's interesting that her cheesy rugs aren't being offered through Zarin Fabrics.

Lu buys new house!

Filming at the new house

Tinsley looks miserable. And none of them looks happy.

Likely because they had to schlep to Upstate NY.

Well, look who Ramona is filming with. I knew this guy was full of shit about not wanting to be on camera.

No, Tinsley always looks especially sour when Bethenny's around; I think that's it.

Besides, LuMan's house is in Hudson, which isn't really such a schlep.

The Tinz has been hanging out with Bethenny more, so I would expect them to be friendly this season.

Please report all of the Jill film dates so DL can implode.

Clip from filming. I would venture to guess that neither Jill nor Barbara are going to be full time HWs.

These women wanted to kill each other just a few months ago. Go know.

Even a 20 second IG vid of the NY women is more entertaining the entire season of OC or NJ at this point.

I think they're all such terrible people but I know im going to be watching every episode, that's the point - the producers know that filling the screen with unstable narcissists pays off.

The B's friends are "worried"

Jill has filmed again with all the women (except Bethenny) at the Xmas light switch. I wonder if Bethenny/Jill not filming together is an actual story.

Bethenny doesn't seem to be filming much at all. This may be as much about her strained relationships with Ramona and Doris as her reluctance to deal with Jill.

They are apparently getting ready for the trip - it will be interesting to see who goes.

Guessing B will pass.

I wonder if that rough-looking Barbara person was dropped.

Barbara was there with all of them at the light switch so she is still filming, at least at some group events.

Was Bethenny at the tree lighting with the rest of them?

r222, see r217.

Possible Miami trip...

I still say the big cast trip will not be till after the holidays.

Barbara clearly still filming. No sign of Jill or Bethenny.

Get that dick, Ramona!

Jill has a PR team? Why? She does look a lot better than when she filmed a several years ago. Those bangs did nothing for her. Now she looks sort of pretty.

Jill has always had a PR team. God knows why. And I think she looks feral, with a wardrobe that's about 30 years too young for her. Feh.

Bethenny doesn't seem to be filming very much, and not at all with Jill, who is everywhere all the time, and simultaneously posting all over social media.

WTF at these women. Now 4 of them have been with Harry? Aviva his ex wife then LuAnn and Sonja were sister-hookups and now Ramona makes out with him? LuAnn, Sonja and Ramona ARE WHITE TRASH. Aviva was right

I don't think Miami is the big cast trip, and Jill is not with them.

I do wonder if they will let her go on the big cast trip.

Jill is not with all of them in Miami. I wonder if the Jill/Bethenny not filming together is a story, or if it's even addressed.

Bethenny seems to be hardly filming at all with the others. Maybe to avoid filming with Jill?

What on earth can Harry Dubin's appeal be? Is he the only aging het on the UES? (and yes, of course those women are white trash, as is Aviva).

Maybe Harry has a big dick!

I thought Ramona and Mario were filmed getting back together?? Now she's going on dates with red scarf guy and having sloppy make out sessions with Harry? What happened?

r233, Mario was filming with them but it was only speculation that it meant anything for them as a couple.

Call me crazy but I find Harry Dubin hot as hell! Always have. He oozes confidence.

^^^^ He looks like George HW Bush.

Agree on Harry. Objectively speaking, he's smarmy as hell, but he has a nice confidence and good humor.

(and he doesn't look remotely like GHWB)

Ramona has been looking really good.

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That is a ridiculous outfit on a 50-something woman.

NY makes daily beast's top 20 tv shows of 2018.

As it should. Genuinely, I believe RHONY is the best reality show ever aired on TV in the short history of the genre.

Jill will push it to #1 in 2019.

There was another cast event yesterday and Jill was not present. She has not been present at any event that includes Bethenny. I doubt she will be going on the cast trip.

Has Jill been filming privately or just at public events?

I have the impression that Bethenny's doing as little filming as possible. She ended the season on such terrible terms with Ramona and Doris that I can't imagine how they'd film amicably. LuAnn may have been grateful for Bethenny's help when she was bottoming out, but LuAnn's not going to drop the blonds in favor of B, no matter how much she scorns them.

Bethenny is filming as much as ever. Not sure where that is coming from.

Just coming from casual observation. I can't say I've been paying close attention.

I wonder which side Jill is taking in the Trump vs. Cohen fallout. Remember Cohen went to Bobby's funeral. Jill, like Ramona, Sonja and LuAnn, voted for Trump in 2016 as they all know him on some level

Has anyone purchased a faboo Jill Zarin rug?

Those cheesy rugs are made from recycled water bottles or something. Jill's current marketing pitch for them is a photo of herself reclining on said cheesy rug with what I think is supposed to be a "come hither" expression on her face (which, by the way, is getting very rodenty).

Re Trump, Jill positioned herself as an intimate of the family and posted endless pictures of herself in DC during inauguration weekend (mostly in the company of that grinning nephew). She's also claimed at least an acquaintanceship with Jeffrey Epstein and is big buddies with Charlie Crist.

NJ and ATL suck ... can't wait for NY to be back

Do we know yet when the season begins?

r253, they started filming a bit early so likely March.

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As if it was even possible, that guy looks like a K-Mart version of Slade.

Sounds like high drama. Was it captured by the cameras?

What isn't with her r257 ? I'm sure that her fake near death experience AND her stint as The Widow Shields will be featured in the new season, which sounds like a total snooze. Nothing at all interesting has leaked. If this is all they have, another reason for Bethenney to be barfing her brains out so she stays "on brand", well, it looks dismal.

r258, and yet that would still be better than any of the offerings from OC, ATL, or BH.

Our very own Carole is interviewed in this doc about JFK airing 1/3.

Sonja made the Style section in today's Times. Alex must be so jealous!!

....and at the same party as Frankie Grande. Ooooh.

No one should want style advice from Sonja.

No one got any. It was just a report of a party with a guest list that had no style at all.

Sonja has actually been looking really good lately in all the pics from filming.

I've always liked how Sonja looks. I'm glad she didn't fuck with her nose. She's got kind of a patrician look going on which is funny considering what a bawdy mess she can be. It's a good contrast.

Don't forget - the B and the R will be on WWHL tonight along with all the other OGs.

Thanks r267 I just looked. Kyle will be there, smugging and mugging it up. Gross.

And the Cuntess and Granny VP were invited but could not attend.

While Kyle is hamming it up on WWHL, Maurico and Farrah will be getting their fuck on. You hear that Kyle you dumb, fucking ostrich?

R266 Sonia hasn't done anything permanent to her nose but she has a liquid nose job (injected to make the bridge taller creating the illusion her nose is thinner).

Uh oh...did Bethenny pull out of WWHL?

R272 Why, is she not there? I'm on the West Coast so...waiting.

Miss C said Bethenny is under the weather after her allergic reaction this week.

The other day at a rich person's house in a wealthy suburb of Boston, Bethenny had a severe allergic reaction to some kind of fish in the soup they were eating. She could have died

Ramona is the oldest and looks the best out of the 5.

Ah yes, r275 I posted about how she nearly died...sorry, DIED...upthread when she first reported it to get attention. Still feeling the effects even though WWHL had her announced as recently as today? Hm. She's going to use this anytime she wants to get out of something, since she finally had to drop her Widow Shields shtick.

Oh please, this bitch had zero desire to be in the same room as Ramona, which is a clear indicator that it's going to be another high stress, high tension season! Holla!

Ramona is back to "no" on whether she wants to Jill to return. Last time she was asked she said yes

I thought Jill was already returning?

The Jill haters will get their wish if Ramona is once again blocking a Jill return. Now I have to wonder what is going on during filming.

So wait. Did y'all miss Andy's Big News? He's going to be a daddy in 6 weeks.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Whoops! Never mind; just saw the thread on Cohen's big news.

here you can see Ramona say no. When she was asked the same question on WWHL during last season of RHONY Ramona said yes. Now she's back to no

it's too bad that Bethenny couldn't have been there with the other OG's last night...she and Teresa do not get along. Teresa was asked to say 3 nice things about her and could only think of 1 lol

even if we don't love Bethenny I can think we can all agree she's better than Teresa on any day. It would have been fun to see them fight live. Bethenny would win every time. The camera didn't go to Kyle's face when Teresa was answering unfortunately.

and check out Vicki getting annoyed that Ramona said no one knew about the housewives until NY came along lol

I am very curious now to know what's up with Ramona/Jill. Wasn't it just a couple weeks ago that she was plugging the rugs?

It's also an odd question considering it's been all over that Jill was already returning.

r285, I believe what Ramona was saying about someone from Bravo telling her that. She wasn't necessarily saying NY was the first franchise - she was saying that NY brought more attention to the HWs. And I think that's accurate.

I thought everybody (with the possible exception of Bethenny) was thrilled that Jill's back. Ramona's reaction is odd.

Not to mention that after the reunion, she professed how much she loved Carole. So also odd that she wouldn't say her either.

All of these opinions change with the wind. Nene all of a sudden wanting felon Phae back? Puhlease.

Maybe I wasn't paying attention during the season, but I thought Carole was really contemptuous of Ramona and I was surprised at Ramona's warmth toward her at the reunion. I assumed the warmth was the direct result of Carole's nastiness to Bethenny. And Carole has said on twitter that Ramona's the only cast member (besides Heather) she's still in touch with.

who knows maybe Ramona was tipsy and isn't aware of what she's saying all the time

I wonder if this Barbara chick is bringing any drama.

Don't know, but she's bringing serious butterface.

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The question is - was Bravo filming?

If not, I'm sure she'll be happy to re-enact the almost-DEATH scene for the cameras. And whether or not she almost DIED, Ramoaner will scream LIAR! in her general direction for the remainder of the season.

Bethenny doesn't support other women, you know.

I need my NY fix!

I assume the big cast trip is after the holidays. They usually get a two week break in filming.

Aw, Ramona get choked up talking about Mario...

I don't know R297- What I am seeing lately news-wise doesn't sound like a good season.

Cannot stand Bethenny.

But this show is generally watchable and the FASTEST hour on TV. It moves baby!

And oddly enough, it is strangely good for repeat viewings on HULU. The Scary Island season is as close to crack as I ever want to get.

I can rewatch any Aviva heavy episodes as well. And the Atlantic City episode where Heather almost killed Sonja for not letting the girls in her townhouse were awesome.

Well obviously she could be exaggerating, but Ramona said on WWHL that filming has been crazy good.

As much as we all malign Bethenny, I do think she knows how to make good tv. I think her presence is absolutely necessary, not only as a cast member but as someone with an overall view of the show.

If Ramona says that, I actually believe it. But did she mean "GOOD" from her narcissistic point of view? Ramona loves looking like a good person- which means BORING. Every Instagram, etc looks like EVERYONE Is getting along.

I presume that Luann and Dorinda will be cunty to each other, and perhaps, sometimes, Dorinda and Bethenny- And Bethenny and Ramona I am sure avoid each other whenever they can, as much as possible. Bethenny will NEVER forgive Ramona, ever. That you can tell

R301- AGREE about Bethenny. I ALMOST added that to my post. She has charisma to spare and is GOOD TV. As a real person or friend, I would FUCKING DESPISE HER, I gather.

She has GRAVITAS.

I also meant from a production standpoint. I almost like that she is a producer and has a vested interest in making the show good.

R304, Good point. And let's be real, Bethenny found Aviva. And Aviva tried VERY hard to make good TV. She is a horror, but sadly one of my faves.

Looks like Bethenny and Jill may have actually filmed together.

What about me? Ladies? Rey?

Jill made it social media official with her new man today. What do we think?

It's so odd how Tom/Dennis and Jill's new guy all resemble each other.

Jill and the new guy have been living together for at least the last 4-5 months. I wonder if she had this lined up while Bawby was dying.

Maybe Jill and Bobby had threesomes.

r310 Do you have more dirt? If so, please spill pretty please. Zero surprise but she was so BAWBY! since day one, it looks a bit tacky for her to move on so fast.

I don't, r312, and the shacking up is fairly common knowledge and not really dirt. I agree it looks tacky; it looked tacky 6 weeks after the funeral when she started posting on social media that Bawby would want her to find love and be happy. It looked tacky when she invited Bravo to film at the memorial service 2 days after his death, and when she took video of herself and her family in a car driving back from the burial and posted it all over social media.

Is Radar reliable? I find it hard to believe that Jill and Bethenny filmed early on but then Jill has never been at the same filming as Bethenny in the public pics.

I wish BE was still here so we had an idea of what was going on BTS.

I'm sure it would be very easy for either Jill or Bethenny to avoid filming with the other. Bethenny has enough influence with production to ask that she not film with Jill, and since Jill is to be billed as a "friend" of the cast she wouldn't be expected to be filming all the time. And what has happened to the unfortunate-looking Barbara person?

it's hilarious how much Jill posts about playing tennis. We saw years ago how horrible she is at playing...like she's not even a 2.0 and I doubt she's improved

And even if she has improved.....

She's just trying to create a persona for herself. I have the feeling she's not all that welcome at Zarin Fabrics; her rugs aren't even sold there. I also noticed that she describes herself on FB as "artist." Really?

I'm just saying as someone who has been playing tennis most weekends since my childhood, Jill's technique is wretched especially for someone who has the money and access to good lessons if she so desired. I wonder just how long she's been playing. She's entertaining to watch on the housewives but when you brag that much you have to back it up.

r315, Barbara has been filming with all of them, so I would say she is definitely an official HW.

R319 I'm here with my hard hat and high heels!

Barbara seems even lower rent than the rest of them.

Frankly, I think she is white trash.

Well, really, Aviva, you're all white trash. Low origins, as my sainted Nana used to say. Barbara just seems a bit....trashier than most of you.

I miss Reid's toup!

DID I MENTION THAT I NEARLY *DIED*?

Look at this newly unearthed modeling photo of M̶a̶m̶i̶e̶ G̶u̶m̶m̶e̶r̶ Sonja!

Sonja was never a model

I was a model, I partied with Madonna AND John-John Kennedy.

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[quote] An insider told People that Frankel 'almost died' in the incident: 'It was that serious. Her blood pressure was through the roof and she was unconscious. She went into anaphylactic shock.'

Your blood pressure decreases when you’re in anaphylactic shock. It increases when you’re having an anxiety attack. She’s an attention whore and a lying cunt

She really is showing her ass with this near death fish smell turn the plane around bullshit while the story about the kid is still in the news. She didn't have to mention it on Twitter, she sure as fuck didn't have to have one of her PR drones call the DM. I love how she is too chicken shit to call out the "offending" airline. What happened Bethenney? Did you not get the performance bonus you were expecting for your failing brand? Forced to fly commercial when you know that a mere WHIFF of fish can wipe you out?

How many times was this cunt at the table with her fellow ho-wives while they were scarfing down fish? All of the restaurants she's dined at over the years, did she tell them to stop serving fish? She is on film where her own party menu features...sushi. She loaded up her plate too. This is one of her lamest lies yet.

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Again someone who would look 10X better with a few more pounds on her. She is a fucking cadaver

her face is so gaunt

She's a fucking mess. She needs to lay off the adderall and the coke. She's starting to get the crazies that come with that shit. She's always been a mess, but now she's coming off as unhinged and it's showing in her face (and hair) and... ugh

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Thank god she’s not gay or I’d have to say, “this is why they hate us.” I can’t think of less likable person that Bethenny.

I usually get a little star struck when I see Real Housewives or other D-list celebs out and about. When I ran into B., i just felt the same way as when I pass a homeless person passed out on the sidewalk who smells of piss and dirt.

Would love to hear more about your encounters with any of them r337 I love that the Barfster gives off exactly the same vibe in person that I get from her on the show or in photos.

What is the latest? Is filming done?

Jill Zarin just exploded all over social media yesterday memorializing Bawby with an avalanche of posed photos and gifs of the two of them, accompanied by Jill's text reminding her followers that Bobby told her life is for the living and she should find love again.....good thing, since she did that within two or three months of his death.

I was told by someone connected with the production company that filming's substantially complete and the show's expected to air in May. I have no idea how reliable this information is.

I believe they still have to film the cast trip.

Given the earlier start of filming this year, I would assume NY would premiere in March instead of April.

I thought the cast trip already happened, no?

They all had a holiday break from filming. I'm pretty sure the big cast trip was scheduled after that.

R338,

Sorry- just checked this thread and saw your comment.

I used to live on the UES (a couple of blocks from Jill’s apartment and Bethenny/LuAnn/Sonja’s old houses). I’ve seen LuAnn walking around the neighborhood twice and she was super friendly both times. I got the impression she liked people recognizing her. I even saw her maid (Rosie) once at the supermarket and said hi to her. She was very sweet. Once I saw Romana on the subway, but she looked unfriendly and I didn’t say anything to her.

I actually had two significant interactions with Bethenny. One was at s restaurant in the West Village. I was in the (small) entrance waiting for a table and she came in with her friend (a woman I didn’t recognize) and started complaining about the long wait and that there was no where to sit. She went on and on really loudly. She was pretty friendly and was likely trying to be funny, but I found it rude to the restaurant staff and pretty obnoxious. She just took it too far. The other encounter with her was out on Long Island. She was with a guy and her daughter. She asked me to take a picture of them on my phone so she could text it to herself. After I took the picture, she grabbed my phone, sent the pic to herself and deleted the picture/ text message in all of 10 seconds. She was very aggressive and not at all friendly. I thought it was rude that she went through my photos (and deleted photos) folders without my permission. She did it really quickly though- she must have practice with this. I felt used lol

I still can't believe Tinsley has lasted 3 seasons without ever really doing anything. I found someone like Kristen much more interesting.

Of course LuAnn likes to be recognized. She lives for it. She would die without constant attention, and posts multiple times a day on IG.

Reality stars like attention!! Alert Page Six!

LuAnn and Jill seem to like it more than most.

The trailer is out this week, premieres most likely in March. It's about fucking time!

Wow...early release date for the trailer.

I hope Jill is featured heavily in the trailer just so the haters can go apeshit.

According to some, the finale was filmed before Christmas, but that seems like a VERY short filming schedule. I wonder if they have decided to cut down all episodes and do shorter seasons.

they started filming in august, though, right?

At the time, I was always team Bethenny/Jill, but in looking back, they were both kinda cunty.

That was great R354. Ramona is a real bitch.

Ramona hasn't changed much at all from season 2.

Kelly is sitting there looking like she just came out of a deep sleep. Brain dead.

I always liked Ramona

It will be very interesting to see what happened this season with Jill filming and how they all interacted.

I have a feeling Jill was not as big a part of the season as the "hype" - if the finale was indeed that xmas party, then I don't even think she was there.

I think this season is about positioning Jill for a return to full-time status in the following season. She's been polishing her story lines: the increased focus on tennis, the new boyfriend, mourning Bawby. Just as LuAnn is posting multiple times a day on IG about her "cabaret show". My guess is that Barbara K isn't going to have a successful launch and will end up as a "friend."

How much screentime Jill gets this season will tell me what they are planning. If she's only in a couple episodes, then I suspect it was just throwing her a bone after Bobby died and she will not be back full time. And I don't think she went on any of the trips.

Anything can happen. They brought back Danielle.

I guess Miss C jumped the gum with the trailer news?

^^Gun

BH is running first, so it doesn't seem possible that NY is coming any time soon. Probably a little earlier than the usual??

r364, but don't forget, BH was unexpectedly delayed. BH is on Tuesdays, and NY will take over from NJ in the Wednesday slot.

I am very curious to see how much Jill is featured in the trailer. I have a feeling her "big" return will amount to not much at all.

I knew their "friendship" would never last.

LuAnn was happy enough to accept Bethenny's substantial help when she fell off the wagon, but there's no way she's going to jeopardize her other alliances by owning the friendship once the crisis is past.

Is it true Miss C shaded the B about her fish allergy on WWHL?

Who, The Widow Radziwill?

No, THIS Miss C!

My EYES!!!!

I guess it was a big tease saying the trailer would be released?

Misogynist Cohen had his all-HW baby shower. The B was not present.

LuAnn and Jill Zaaaarin also no-shows but posting pictures of the event on their IGs anyway.

You know it's bad when the Barfster can't even keep a friendship with Miss Cohen. Glad he brought up her fake fish allergy. HAVE SOME MORE SUSHI AT YOUR OWN PARTY YOU DUMB CUNT!

It's coming, bitches!!!

The best is back!!!!

All the meltdowns about Jill in this thread and she is legit in one scene again! LMAO!!

This looks pretty ghastly.

And I think Jill's in more than one scene. Apparently she and B have some kind of bonding moment over their grief, but ultimately Jill trashes her to the other HWs. Plus ca change....

So the "new" housewife didn't make the cut and is just a friend of?

Beth has a lot of nerve going in on Luann regarding her cabaret show given she will mention Skinny Girl, Dennis and her recently discovered fish allergy every chance she gets - Looks great!

DEAD at Sonja falling out of the seat!!!

It doesn't even really look like they needed a new housewife. A lot of good stuff without anyone new.

Sorry, I think B has a point about LuAnn going on incessantly about being a "cabaret star." Follow her on IG for a while.

eh looks dull. More of the same. Tinsley and Sonja are dead weight and should have been fired 2 seasons ago.

r380, I don't think Bethenny is referring to Jill when she says that.

R371, wow, looks like kenny G lol

r387, I thought I heard Jill trash Bethenny, not vice versa. Could be wrong; everything was a little garbled.

MARCH 6.

YASSS! JILL!!!

I find it hard to believe they didn't take a trip out of the country?

Is Lu still on probation? Maybe one of the terms is she can't leave the country. Or maybe they are saving that up to preview later in the season.

They usually only do a "first half" of the season trailer right now. So there is likely another trip.

As usual, even the trailer for NY looks better than any of the franchises right now.

It's comedy and they always bring it!

God, I'm so happy.

Actually it looks pretty bad if this is the best they have to show - a lot of drunk and girl and girl trashiness but no good verbal sparring — which is what usually distinguishes NY from the rest of the franchise.

I hope Lu stands up to Bethenny this time and just doesn't sit there and take it.

I think she ought to sit there and take it. She really is insufferable with this cabaret star nonsense.

Whatever else is going on in the country or the world, she posts relentlessly about her "cabaret show" and her tacky "statement jewelry" brand.

That trailer is only what was filmed early on. There is a lot more.

Was that Mario in the trailer??

R402 I'm not sure

Yes, it was Mario.

Trailer looks fun. NY always delivers.

Ramona gave an interview about the new season and completely dismissed Barbara, so I'm assuming she either pissed off all of them, or didn't bring anything to the table.

Or it's just Ramona being Ramona. She never likes the new people.

r407, I tend to think there was a reason Barbara wasn't given an apple.

It still boggles my mind that Tinsley is still around.

I think Barbara's a bit of a thug--and an even less-refined thug than Dorinda. Maybe that's why. And I think I read that B didn't want her at all.

There were rumors that they didn't want a new HW after Carole left. Does that have to do with money? Do they all get paid more if another newbie is not in the mix?

Bethenny filmed with Luann and Barbara early on - so something must happen to break that up.

Luann is claiming Barbara as a BFF. Maybe Bethenny didn't want to be the odd one out. Again.

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Luann didn't attend either, r414. Do your comments also apply to her?

Well, Luann and Andy don't/didn't co-produce shows and aren't/weren't in each other's pockets cunt at r415

You must have such a hard time getting through your day, r416.

Some Ramona tidbits

Wow, she really gives Kavovit the back of her hand. Kavovit must have forgotten to genuflect.

R409 I know it seriously boggles the mind. Who is she blowing?

Ramona looks like she’s gained about 30lbs and is as bloated as fuck.

Ramona should never have gotten those implants. She had a great body before, and now she looks beefy. Get those things yanked, Ramona.

I noticed Bethenny "lol" when the person in the comments said she thought Jill would be back full time.

Ramona reacts to trailer. This is where she disses Barbara.

Ramona getting the sniffs at the end of that is gold.

R415 Luann had a Caberet Show - Bethenny was shopping - Big difference

TT said Jill only filmed 2 episodes. I still don't get the point?

Life is NOT a Cabaret, CUNTess!

Work it, 'Mona!

Jeez, she is horrible.

Ramona is white trash!

Aviva was right about that....although I'm not sure her antecedents are much better.

Aviva always felt like she was reciting a script.

So what is the deal with Jill? I don't get it. They give her two episodes for what? Is it just a publicity gimmick?

Here is the trailer on YT for anyone having problems loading the People page.

Dorinda looks like she's been rode hard and put up wet.

Why isn't John's THICK, MEATY cucumber featured in the trailer?

Maybe he finally got the axe.

Btw, I'm sure Jill has more than a 2-episode arc. I think that video is just clips from the first part of the season.

Well TT says Jill only filmed two episodes.

Then I'll bet she got the bulk of those two episodes. She hasn't been knocking herself out for years for a walk-on.

I honestly think they have Jill on "standby" when Bethenny decides to leave.

Could be. And I think Bethenny's very close to leaving. She seems completely detached from the group.

You people are nuts if you Bethenny will ever walk. She earns a hot paycheck, a producer cred, and regular exposure. At this point, I am sure she thinks of it as "her" show, and leaving would give up control.

I disagree. I think she's washed her hands of this bunch. And she's made more money than she can possibly spend.

You underestimate the need for fame and exposure.

Well, maybe so. I can't imagine anything worse than behaving like a drunk raggedy middle-aged tramp and having it all captured on film.

LMAO r445. And yet, you watch it.

Not sure what point you're attempting to make, r446. Sure I watch it. That's not quite the same as wanting to emulate it or have the viewing public watch me make fool of myself. I watch downhill racing, too, but I don't want to participate.

Ramona...deji vu

Ramona deja vu? Meaning?

I am surprised they haven't told Tinsley to bring a "socialite" friend into the mix, especially if they are trying to go younger.

If they are not preparing Jill for a full-time return, then these appearances are just fan-baiting.

Maybe they know Bethenny's thinking of leaving after this coming season, and they want Jill positioned.

Bethenny is not giving up her exposure ticket.

Mark your calendars if you're in the area!

Queen Lu violates probation?

We all know Lu doesn't think the rules apply to her. She looks like a dude at r455

She looks amazing in the cast photo

Photoshop r457 The one above is a candid.

So Luann/Bethenny still seem to be "allies" in the beginning of the season. I guess it goes south quick.

I'd bet that Luann was grateful for Bethenny's help after the second rehab drama, but got past it fairly quickly when her cabaret began to take off. I'd bet that Bethenny was resentful about that, and also tired of constantly having to hear about Lu's stardom. Meanwhile, B is flying supplies in and out of disaster areas, which probably made Lu's cabaret seem pretty frivolous, and if that was the case I'm sure B didn't hide her opinion.

It will only be interesting if Luann fights back this time. If she lets Bethenny name-call and attack her again without standing up for herself, then forget it.

Luann always fights back; they just have very different fighting styles. Luann gets shitty and says "darling" a lot, while B screams bloody murder.

r462, Luann did not fight back in that season where Bethenny attacked her in the Berkshires.

I don't remember the attack in the Berkshires. Was that when Bethenny begged Luann not to marry Whatsisname?

Uh, r464...

yup, I totally forgot that.

And that wasn't even the worst. She called her a slut, a pig, a hypocrite.

Which of those epithets doesn't apply to Luann?

Hi Bethenny @r468

Snappy response, r469

LuAnn was not lying about fucking the city. She was being tacit about not broadcasting it. Meanwhile, Bethenny was fucking a married man at the time, and not talking about it. Hence, Bethenny's rage whenever Lu retorted in that episode: "Are you getting laid or what?" "Are you seeing someone?" B was enraged, but couldn't discuss it in her confessional.

What is the context of Mario making appearances?

My guess r472 is that Ramona is back on his bone, and that they both could use the money. (Himself more than her)

I want to be back on his bone.

Taglines bitches!!

The B must have pissed someone off. Not first, not last, and a completely generic tagline.

Yeah, I get the vibe that the Barfster is on the outs with Cohen. Why not? Being on the outs with people is her full time job. That swill she peddles is just a side hustle.

Was she first or last in prior seasons?

No one seems to agree, but I think she's been disengaged leading up to this season, and I'm betting she's not terribly engaged during the season. And maybe gone afterward. She has more money than she can count, and she may have other ways to get attention.

Miss Andy has power over these things.

LMFAO at Sonja's - she knows her fanbase!

They all look amazing, much better than BH.

Should read NO power

Was B usually the first or last tagline?

I think she has either been the first or the last since season 7.

Jill needs to be in the opening with a great glamorous shot.

Then they'd better put a bag over her head.

Season 12 = Jill's fulltime return

Probably.

I am ready for NY to be back! This is the only franchise which doesn't annoy me about halfway through a season.

It annoys and revolts me, yet I can't stop watching. I had no trouble weaning myself off any of the other franchises after a season or two, but this one is like watching a snake eat a bunny. Horrible but mesmerizing.

I am surprised the B approved that uninspiring tagline.

No Bravo insiders here? What is the story with Barbara?

The gossip was that Bethenny couldn't stand her. Maybe that's why she and Luann are on the outs.

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I don't think so, r492. I've seen a couple of recent pictures and her schnoz is huge. She unfortunately has her father's face, which would stop a clock.

She and Lu are all over instagram. They're in Miami with.....Ramona. Feh. Apparently Sonja was supposed to join them but didn't. I guess B is really odd man out this season.

This can only mean a full-time return for Jill next season! I am very curious to see how much airtime she actually gets this season

OGs hangin!

Bethenny was filming with Luann and Barbara early on, so something must happen.

Has Bethenny contacted Carole with her condolences yet?

I was surprised not to see dozens of posts from Carole this morning.

Beth has too many other problems to be worried about like Fish being served on planes.

She COULD HAVE DIED. I hope she doesn't smell her pussy then.

Carole is in "poor me mode" as she will not inherit anything from mother in-law.

I thought her mother in law couldn't stand her. Plus I doubt she has much to leave.

Oh wow. So it really looks like Ramona/Lu/Jill are trying to push Bethenny out?

That would be my guess, r502.

R502 And I would be here for it. Beth is too powerful behind the scenes and she's exhausting too watch. I do appreciate her in small doses, but not when everything is her perspective and the other women are too scared to properly stand up to her for fear of getting ousted.

Though the only reason they are banding together is because of the rift between Beth and that wonky eyed munchkin. They smell blood and wisely are presenting a united front, one which most fans want to see and Beth is wearing out her welcome for most, even some of her long standing fans.

I really think they'll be big changes after this season and I think either Beth or Dorinda will leave and someone will leave between Sonja & Tinsley.

Dorinda brings it. I can't see her getting the boot or leaving on her own volition.

Well, Luann ought to be ashamed. She was happy enough to rely on Bethenny when her life fell apart, despite whatever bad blood was between them, but evidently just as quick to drop her once she was back on track. In Bethenny's shoes I'd feel rather poorly used. I think she ought to leave, though, just because it must be unpleasant to be the least popular girl at the popular girls' lunch table. Jill will do everything in her power to push Bethenny out (which is after all at least part of the reason she wants to come back--the rest of the reason is that she's such an attention whore), and Ramona will be happy to help her.

R505 I agree, but like I said I think it's either Beth or Dorinda that leaves, most likely Beth makes an ultimatum of either her or Dorinda and it depends on what Bravo decides.

Beth has always felt threatened by Dorinda, and with each passing season Dorinda proves she doesn't give a shit what most think and she's been getting more belligerent, drunk and unruly in each new season and knows how to keep a grudge. I also think this season will give Dorinda some confidence to go after Beth, especially as Beth has alienated everyone bar Sonja & Tinsley and with Luann teaming up with Jill & Romona might give her the backing for a true takedown. Though it could all backfire ala Carole and send her ass packing.

It's only a hunch, but both Dorinda and Beth have been losing popularity regularly with the larger fanbase. Another bad season in a row for either of them could be the clincher.

Eh, Dorinda is such trash. She's another Jill, but a little more vulgar.

How can they ice Bethenny out if she is a producer? I suspect that is the reason why they can't just refuse to film with her as the women from other franchises do.

That being said, I think the NY women are very aware how to put on a good show in an ensemble sense, and they probably recognize Bethenny is a necessary component.

Those three were tagging Sonja and mentioning her collection - she was supposed to join them. So I think Sonja will be fine if there is any major shift.

Sonja will be okay. But she's another one who leaned on Bethenny when she was on the outs with everyone and then dropped her.

I'm pretty sure Sonja and Bethenny are still good.

Look who is hanging out!!

Can not tell who the blond is?

Tins

Gotcha ..thanks

If Bethenny has all this power, how come they never bring in a new HW or friend who has a connection with her already?

The OGs are clearly forming a unit, so Tinsley is wise to link up with Bethenny.

I wonder who will take Dorinda? It looks like she and Luann haven't quite resolved their issues.

The OGs were together in Miami on the weekend for LuAnn's "cabaret show" and Ramona kept braying WOMEN SUPPORT WOMEN!!! which was her battle cry against Bethenny last season.

I called this at the beginning of last season - Tinsley would become Bethenny's new sidekick.

Well, THAT can't last long.

It will be very curious now if most of the cast supports a Jill return what will happen.

Another season of the blatant bullshit -

No thanks.

R521 It was obvious so I wouldn't pat yourself on the back too much. She's alienated everyone else bar Sonja and cosying up to Tinsley is an extra spite jab to Ms. Jordache Jeans.

R523 Supporting a Jill return would solidify both Ramona & Luann in a power trio and might be enough power to finally ice out Beth from the group. The show needs Ramona, Jill & Luann more than it needs Beth solo. If they wrangle in Dorinda & Sonja then Beth would be well and truly fucked with just Tinsley to hold onto. Beth might actually get some karma for once and be forced to eat some humility.

Bethenny is a producer - she doesn't have to grovel.

Maybe she doesn't have to grovel, but she doesn't have a very thick skin--look how miserable she was last year. I think she'll just leave. Maybe she can keep the producer gig and stick it to all these bitches that way.

Even if the OGs create a united front, there still needs to be conflict for a season. It's unclear now what the case is with Jill. It's quite possible she didn't even film that much this season.

Sonja's done the unthinkable and become the workhorse of NYC. She's ALWAYS reliable for at least some laughs and never truly has any extended beef with anyone. Dorinda's ongoing feud with her seems very contrived and only for the sake of a storyline and, quite honestly, made D look horrible last season.

Everything made D look horrible last season. Maybe because she IS horrible.

Sonja's a mess, but she's a trouper.

Carole Radziwill's all over twitter and IG, graciously thanking each and every writer or publication that put something out on Lee. Wouldn't you think she'd allow Lee's daughter to do this?

I have always had a soft spot for Sonja.

LMAO, These two split...again

I wonder if Beth's ex had a nice d?

R529 Dorinda's problem with Sonja isn't contrived. Drunk Dorinda genuinely hates her for spilling the truth about Dorinda's drug abuse, cocaine. Ever since that season 8 reunion Dorinda has come hard for Sonja. She looks pathetic, but that's Dorinda for you.

R534 How would she know? Her cunt must be that loose from being such a whore fucking anything that moved. I mean she fucked anything if she thought they could launch her acting career in the 90s, nowadays she fucks drug addicts, married men and seems to toss them out after a few fucks. Everyone thinks Sonja needs vaginoplasty, but Beth's labia must be dragging along the street behind her

I don't believe Scott and Tinsley were ever a real couple, just a convenient storyline for her and a plug for his business.

What is Jason's big dick up to these days?

Living under a gag order apparently. I'm still curious how much he got r537

A lot R538. I don't think Beth is as financially well of as she appears and I bet he took her to the cleaners. I mean she actually lives in the apartments she flips. Not only that but she has been DESPERATE to launch another successful brand like Skinny Bitch. You have those shitty Jeggins (for which she rubbished Heather for wanting to get into the Jeans market), Skinny Bitch candy (what a fucking oxymoron) and any other god forsaken product she can shove Skinny in front of. Though they have ALL failed.

Didn't her big payout for Skinny Bitch come with stipulations, like she had to get out brand awareness and she continually got a cut if she successfully helped them meet quotas or something. Not sure but I thought I remembered reading something about it.

I think the payout was only for the liquor part of Skinny girl. I'm pretty sure all the other side SG products all go to Bethenny which is why she has been focused more on those than the liquor. I don't think they have introduced any new SG liquor products in a while, but I could be wrong.

I would love to know what the actual sales of Skinny Girl are.

When does NY premiere? I am already tired of the BH drama and LVP stans arguing with everyone.

March 8, I think.

Sorry; March 6.

Doris and Sonjarita are good this season

I hope this succeeds, if only to shut Bethenny up.

I could swear she launched a skin care line years ago, when Zaaarin was still on the show. It was called TRuReNewAL (with weird graphics) and Jill was vicious about it.

I don't see how this will have any effect on Bethenny. She claimed a year ago that all Ramona had was a product "in development"--little more than a concept. I think that was true at the time Bethenny said it. The fact that Ramona got it launched doesn't negate what Bethenny said a long time ago.

I think Ramona's a pig.

Bethenny went on and on about it being fake and how Ramona was using it for a storyline.

Ramona went on and on about Bethenny, too (including but not limited to that absurd phone call out of the blue about "you don't support women, Bethenny") It's really hard (and pointless) to choose a single villain in this franchise--they're all awful in their own way.

And don't forget Ramona Pinot Grigio. Ramona is definitely a trashy person..I can't get too invested in hating her, she is so entertaining and delusional.

Please bring on NY!!

I cannot even stomach BH and all the loon fans going crazy.

Best burns

Ramona made one mistake with her wine (I heard it was decent) She should have called it Turtle Time. I would have bout it, I'm neither proud nor ashamed to admit it. That title was golden. It was so "her", and it was fun. I'm not buying a fucking wine named Ramona. No.

Gah! I would have *bought* it even.

Didn't she start her Pinot Grigio before "turtle time"?

R555 No, "turtle time" was vintage (no pun intended) early season Ramona. A lot of people expressed why she didn't name it after her rather cute nickname for getting buzzed.

I could have sworn she started her Pinot before or during season 3. TT aired during Scary Island in season 3.

I hate that I know this r557 but Ramona's "turtle time" was way before her wine was a twinkle in her eye. No matter, it failed. I do think she should re-launch though with said TT as the name. Anything is going to be better than Barfs's barfy quasi booze.

Turtle Time wines has a certain ring to it..could it be the new two buck Chuck?

Agree r559! Like I said above, not naming her wine Turtle Time was such a dumb fucking move. That's Ramona!

So glad they are finally back this week!!

Do we need a new thread?

Bethenny missing WWHL/show promotions for custody case. Another custody case??!!

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I vote for a new thread for the new season. It makes more sense. It's not the end of the world if this one doesn't fill up first.

Assuming the guy has misbehaved again, I would hope Bethenny would go after him. Who else is going to protect the kid?

I guess she could be like LuAnn and always put her own interests ahead of her children.

It is all old news that she is dredging up at the last minute (I wonder why) She needs to lay off the Adderall. She is going fucking insane. Amphetamine induced psychosis. More news about the old news below. Guessing it's a ploy for fan sympathy since it sounds like she didn't play well with the other women on the show this season.

Oh, pipe down. Do you have any idea how ridiculous your dime-store psychoanalysis sounds?

This is a hearing that was continued last Fall, when Hoppy tried to use the dead BF's purported drug abuse against Bethenny and the judge shut him down. For all you or anyone else knows, the information Bethenny's introducing now was intended to be presented six months ago. If that's not the case, the judge will shut her down.

I worked intake in rehab long enough to know it when I see it r567 aka Frankel Flying Monkey. At least it would give her an excuse instead of that being her natural personality.

Worked intake in rehab in what capacity? Never mind; I'm not really interested in you. You seem very angry and immature--resorting to silly name-calling in a thread like this suggests real immaturity but maybe you also have an excuse other than this being your natural personality.

Posting in these threads, period, is hardly a hallmark of maturity. That includes you r569. Pointless bitchery and all that.

They are saying Jason apologized to her in court?

Why does OP have season 12/13 in the header? Isn't this season 11?

You are right r572. You were the only one to notice! No wonder I had such a hard time searching for it.

I started a fresh thread for season 11.

Apparently, the OP of this thread was posting from the future.

Well aware that this one isn't full yet, but some people who post on their phones have a hard time when a thread gets too long.