How do we feel about men dressing in womens clothes?

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What does “twing” mean, OP?

R2, I think op means "twinge" or "cringe."

The high-heel shit needs to go the fuck away.

Cher will tell you what to do.

It does bother me. It doesn't usually look good, but it doesn't bother me. Actually, if more designers started creating skirts and dresses specifically for men, with men's bodies and male clothing angles in mind, some of them would probably look pretty good. I know a few houses have done that, but most runway stuff is costumey instead of wearable. Think of it this way, OP: skirts make for way easier access than flies.

Doesn’t bother me. A lot of gay men are on the trans-spectrum. Most? Maybe. So many are into straight men and only straight men (or “straight”). That’s how I determine the trans-spectrum.

Attention hos. Look at mostly who is doing this and ask yourself why? These aren't guys going to the office or operating on brains for the most part.

As long as they're not claiming they're women, they should knock themselves out.

Men wore 'skirts' through history a lot longer than they have worn pants. I don't find it attractive personally but I'd defend anyone p's right to do express themselves how they want. Plus I definitely believe in demolishing 'gender stereotypes' rather than reinforcing sex ones with transing everything that moves. Skirts and dresses don't have to belong to girls.

Though, money on, it'd mainly be straight men who'd wear them anyway.

It’s fine. Recent studies have shown that a lot of gay men are discovering that they identify with a transgender identity more than they do with a gay male identity. It’s only been been in recent history that non-heterosexual males had more than just gay as a choice of identity. Now that the spectrum has opened up, they’re exploring new options.

[quote]Recent studies have shown that a lot of gay men are discovering that they identify with a transgender identity more than they do with a gay male identity.

Link, please

R10, Would that be like the Native American concept of a third sex?

It doesn't matter how we feel, OP. This thread will be deleted anyway.

Agreed 100% R10. I remember back during the bathroom debate, there was a comment on some article that said “now homosexual men want to use the women’s restroom”. I disagreed at first but now that I think back on it, she was correct.

Meh. I don't really care. Depends on how it makes their ass look.

[quote]Recent studies have shown that a lot of straight men are discovering that they identify with a transgender identity more than they do with a hetero male identity. It’s only been been in recent history that non-homosexual males had more than just straight as a choice of identity. Now that the spectrum has opened up, they’re exploring new options.

There - fixed that for you, R10.

As long as it's not drag

^ WTF do you call 'men dressing in women's clothes' then?

Glam.

Not into men dressing in women's clothing. But I do have a thing for guys in white stockings. I can't explain it, but guys in white stockings turn me on. I fucked a couple of guys that wore them. It got my dick hard, and I enjoyed it. I know it's all in my head, but other than that, men in women's clothing turns me off. I want a man.

I find many fem gay boys attractive, but I find men wearing actual dresses or corsets revolting.

I’m a 0 on the trans-spectrum. I’m not at all into straight guys.

R22 - Zing!

I do not have a problem with it. I have a problem with them filling their bodies with hormones and then cutting their dicks off. That is just crazy.

I'm sure people cringe at the thought of you sucking on another mans cock...it's normal, but let people live the lives they want. If they aren't hurting anyone, live and let live.

"I have a problem with them filling their bodies with hormones and then cutting their dicks off. That is just crazy."

Funny how gay men post shit like this because most straight people think gay and trans is the same thing anyway. To them if you are a gay man you might as well be a woman anyway, doesn't matter how much you try to distance yourself from trans people. Btw, most straight men think it's "crazy" for men to be attracted to other men

That makes sense but to hate your own body so much that you want to hurt it...I will never get that. I think it is just the epitimy of narsisisum.

The issues you bitches have with trans people would, if stacked from end to end, reach to Pluto and back.

And [bold]THAT[/bold] is what I think about men wearing dresses. Wear a dress, wear army fatigues, wear both. Who gives a flying fuck?

Bugs Bunny in drag gave many a straight boy their first boner. This may explain the hetero male fascination with trans. It’s not millions of gay men who are watching those MTF pornos, ladies.

It doesn’t turn me on but I seem to be one of those rare men (gay) who doesn’t think everything has to exist for his sexual gratification.

Why the fuck should I care what somebody else wears? Just let me wear my jeans and t-shirts and you do what you want.

I think more and more gay men will be transitioning into women. In the Middle East, if you’re gay, you have to transition. But, I believe the willing will outnumber the forced.

Middle East = Iran

as a 30 year old you should know this acronym ...DGAF!

Most guys I know who do it (not professional drag performers....well yeah, them too) are just guys who need CONSTANT ATTENTION! So after awhile, it becomes predictable and wears you the fuck out, but, hey, live your life.

Gay men cross dress to entertain or be glam, while straight men do it as a sex fetish, but then hetero white men also like to do the really WEIRD shit, like dress in mascot costumes, “doll suits,” or pretend to be babies in diapers to get their rocks off. It’s no surprise that they are the majority of serial killers.

[quote]A lot of gay men are on the trans-spectrum. Most? Maybe.

Wow, you either drink large portions of transtapo bullshit, or you really don't know many gays in real life. I suspect you're a tranny fetishist with am agenda, or a straight guy without a clue.

[quote]I think more and more gay men will be transitioning into women.

Oh, dear, no. NO ONE can "transition into a woman" as such a thing is impossible. You can transition into a "trans", who is a person angrily demanding to legally be accepted as the gender opposite the one they were born.

there is one person on this thread who is trying very, very hard to push this "all gay men are trans" line and I don't understand why

This is why they hate us:

Why in the world would a gay man want to turn into a woman? That seems strange to me.

For straight cock^.

I think it's OK as long as they wear a sports training bra to minimize jiggle and bounce.

The first transvestite I noticed was a Grey haired man in a woman's business suite and sensible high heeled shoes. I think it bothered her because I immediately recognized that she was a man. Then I felt bad about that.

"I think it is just the epitimy of narsisisum."

And you are the epitome of idiocy.

Or should I spell that "epitimy of idiessee?"

Sorry about not trusting transsexuals...I don't thing they are honest with themselves. I believe they are usually just victims of a mental disorder and they need help...like cutters.

It’s incredibly easy for a gay man to find straight cock - particularly in the midwest - and no gender transition is necessary. Just some cash, drugs, and a willingness to blow a guy missing half his teeth.

[quote]As long as they're not claiming they're women, they should knock themselves out.

This is how I feel too. Wear what you want. EJ for example seems like he’s happy with who he is.

What R1 said.

Is this what keeps you up at night, Miss OP?

I feel we've come a long way from the days when gay men were closely associated with drag queens and cross dressers. I remember a strong stereotype back in the 1960s of the effeminate gay man. I was raised in San Francisco and gay balls were often in the news, Halloween balls were front on the front page, and many saw gay men as exaggerated in mannerisms and in stereotypical fields like design, entertainment, hair stylists etc. Finocchio's was a popular drag night club in North Beach. Everyone went there, gays, straights etc, the shows were really fun. I went there as a teen. We had a gay columnist, Count Marco, in the Chronicle who wrote about society ladies. doings. Gay men were pigeon-holed and labeled just as women were.

As the years have passed and the gay culture has been integrating into the main stream I observe young gayer men out and about looking handsome, put together and enjoying the arts and culture with other nice looking men. You might recognize them as gay, but they fit more into the young urban look than any exaggerated effeminacy. All the colorful extremes still exist, but the stereotypes are dissolving as more gay men are seen just living their lives as human beings.

Personally, I enjoy the joyous diversity of gay culture, the mainstream guys, the leather boys, and men in dresses, but I wonder if their numbers will shrink.

Nice post, r50.

I like you, r50.

Men in women's clothes? Do not want, do not like. But if that's what the kids are into nowadays, God bless 'em.

Thanks R 51 and R52. I just reread my post, YIKES TYPOS! I'm glad you saw beyond them.

[R19], Tell us more about this supposed research please. Because I think you just made that up, frankly.

I do not think of cross dressers as gay men. I have never known a gay man who was a cross dresser. Don't transvestites usually think of themselves as one of the girls. The way things are now, it just seems like a popular trend and for a trend, they lose their cock and balls.

[quote]Men wore 'skirts' through history a lot longer than they have worn pants.

Men who wore skirts also girded their loins. We didn't get where we are today by free-balling it through history. Women couldn't wear pants until the invention of modern sanitary napkins. Take away their tampons and the female sex's claim to gender equality leaps back a century.

R28 the issues many people here have with trans is fuck all to do with what they wear. Clothing is irrelevant. Wearing a dress does not make you a woman.

Wear what you like, be as over the top glam or homely as you choose. That is freedom.

Invade women’s spaces by claiming to actually *be* a woman, demand lesbians suck your cock, gain scholarships or win sporting events reserved for women because you like dresses? Fuck off. That IS a problem.

Men can wear whatever makes them happy, if that includes lingerie or heels so what, hope they’re happy. Just remember nobody else has to validate you or accommodate you.

[quote]It’s incredibly easy for a gay man to find straight cock - particularly in the midwest - and no gender transition is necessary. Just some cash, drugs, and a willingness to blow a guy missing half his teeth.

Gay men who pursue only straight men are on the trans spectrum. You don’t have to fill your body with hormones or invert your genitalia to br transgender. Or, even dress like a woman. There are variant levels of transgenderism. For example, gay men who imagine themselves to be the woman emotionally and sexually with a straight man. Or who just watch gay for pay porn or straight porn. Gay men on the trans-spectrum tend to show disdain for out gay men. It’s a relatively new research.

Could you supply some links to this research, R59? It sounds fascinating, but Google comes up with nothing scientific.

So why aren’t T-shirts and pants still considered “men’s clothing”?

The autism is high in R59. Of course tbere is NO research to back up these claims, unless playing D&D in mom’s basement with your LARP gang is “doing research.”

It was on a youtube video about transition regret. The psychiatrist talked about how gay men fantasize about becoming women through illusion and not going to extremes.

R 62 is blocked.

They are medical professionals over in Denmark who are starting to push back on transitioning, R60. There needs to be counciling and emphasis placed on gay men’s pathologic need for straight men and straight men only as they fantasize about being the woman.

R59 is a homophobe and a misogynist, proving once and for all the tr*nscult is anti-gay and anti-woman.

Gay men are men. Heterosexuality is just a social construct invented by bigots to rape women and cockblock gay men.

I have always thought men's and women's fashion should be completely switched. Women tend to feel colder than men most of the time especially in formal wear but women often wear a low cut or maybe backless dress that exposes a lot of skin and is open on the bottom, while a man in formal wear has a tight tie around his neck long sleeve shirt and a suit coat. This makes no sense, but I do like both looks.

There is something about a man in a dress that is shocking while a woman wearing what is essentially a man's suit, not so much, but the reason for that is because we have become accustom to women wearing what would normally be considered men's clothes. We have not become accustom to men wearing women's clothes.

The exception is a man in a Scottish kilt, we have become accustom to that and most feel it even looks manly. I feel everyone should be able to wear what they want, we will become accustom to it after some time has passed.

I however have never wanted to be a trend setter, so don't ever expect to see me in a dress.

Homophobe? I’m a 0 on the trans-spectrum and that makes me pro-gay.

R67, shut up homophobe and stop simultaneously babbling about things you know nothing about while projecting your stupidity, dishonesty, and outright bigotry on everyone who can see you for what you are.

There is no trans spectrum because there is no such thing as g*nd*r. The word itself is hate speech against women and gay men.

[quote]It was on a youtube video about transition regret. The psychiatrist talked about how gay men fantasize about becoming women through illusion and not going to extremes

Lol R63. Great peer-reviewed research there. But what about the transitioners like yourself who are only attracted to women?

I’m gonna block R 68 et al.

LOL @ the “guy who is zero on the trans spectrum and thus pro-gay,” yet is an expert on all things gay and trans due to watching youtube videos about MTFs (as most guys who are not on the trans spectrum do) and is now blocking all the naysayers. You, ma’am, are a dumpster fire.

I’m a gay man. And, a 0 on the trans-spectrum. I’m not into straight guys at all.

My YouTube videos are better.

R73 Then why your deep dive into gay men who transition into women just to get straight cock? It seems like a drastic measure. Did someone close to you chop their bits off and dump you for a hetero?

Because of the amount of awful hate and homophobia directed at openly gay men and the lust and admiration for straight men by gay men who obsess over straight men — and that is a lot of gay men (on the trans-spectrum), R75. A lot. Gay men who lust after straight men alone, don’t even view out gay men as men. There is a lot of homophobia attached to the trans movement and A LOT of hatred and homophobia attached to gay men who obsess over straight men. Some of these men don’t even think of themselves as gay. The parallels are just far too strong to deny. You don’t have to go to extremes to be trans, hence the trans-spectrum. When I see gay men lusting after straight men here, I don’t see them as gay men, I see them as trans. Again, you don’t have to chop off your body parts , alter your hormones, wardrobe, or even feminize your body through extreme dieting and exercise to be trans. It’s the illusion of being the “woman” to the straight man, which I believe the medical profession should embrace and encourage as opposed to hormones and cutting up.

The dress-like-women folks have always existed in the gay community. I don't like the style, but it's a small minority of gays that dress like that, and for the most part, every gay finds and hangs out with his type, so just let people be, you know?

The trans issue is different. When you are actually claiming and demanding that you ARE the other sex, that can create real problems with sports, women's spaces, etc. Doesn't mean that they should be bashed or anything, but total acceptance is problematic.

Like this thread, R75. Some comments state that two gay men together are like “lesbians”. If they as gay men don’t see gay men as men, then what are they? Women perhaps? Not male. They see straight men as men though. Real men. It’s transy to me, all homophobic. These gay men who lust after straight men are transwomen.

I get aroused by hot men regardless of whether they are gay, bi, or straight, but am not on the “trans spectrum” whatever the hell that is, R76. I also have drag queen friends who are perfectly happy and confident with their manhood, and would laugh at the thought of being called “trans.”

As a matter of fact, wimpy, effeminite, straight incels outnumber gay nellies because of their sheer population size. Even proportionally, however, I would say the number of masc gay men is equal to that of straight men. Seriously! Perhaps we can blame video games and Cheeto diets for the plague of womanly straight men. But yet we overlook this thanks to confirmation bias fueled by stereotypes.

That does not mean I’m on the “trans spectrum” whatever the hell that is. There are PLENTY of masculine gay men to choose from where I live, though, It also does not mean

...that I pursue straight men as a last resort. Lol.

[quote]the epitimy of narsisisum.

OH, DEAR.

Lols

R79, you know very well the type of gay men I’m referring to. The homophobic transwomen (gay men on the trans-spectrum) who lust after straight men and straight men alone. Have you read that thread I posted? If you agree or relate to any of the hate and homophobia directed towards out gay men in that thread, or any anti-gay male, pro-straight male thread posted on Datalounge, then you are in fact, a transwoman. If not and you’re a decent gay man who knows who he is, likes who he is, and isn’t homophobic in the least, then you are a gay man.

I'm attracted to men because they are like myself men, it doesn't matter for me how they identify with the types of sexual orientation. I don't want to be a woman when I am with a man, I want sexual gratification when I'm a top or when I am a bottom.

You may be onto something, R78 / R83. I once referenced a thread that had a lot of the same sentiment shown in that thread referenced at R78, and got screamed at by some queen who thought I was being anti-trans (?????).

There's no thrill that can be had with a skirt, that can't be better satisfied with a kilt, imo.

[quote]No one finds flaming queens hot!

This is post from that thread. Just one that I have found. There are much, much worse around here and hateful while praising straight men. But, this is an example of a transwoman (gay man on the trans-spectrum. All trans regardless of where fall on the spectrum.

You got yelled at by a trans R85.

To me the only guidelines should be does it look good on you and is it appropriate for the situation? It takes a certain self-awareness and the ability to distinguish between fantasy and reality. If you're dressed and made up to look good on stage or on camera, you're going to look grotesque in daylight on the street and that goes for any and all gender identities.

Yeah, typing that out made me realize that you're probably right, R88.

The theory got put out there once by a trans that gay men are only gay as a 'consolation prize'. Maybe there's some truth to that, with all the straight-worshiping that goes on around here:

[quote]The theory got put out there once by a trans that gay men are only gay as a 'consolation prize'. Maybe there's some truth to that, with all the straight-worshiping that goes on around here:

That theory is wrong altogether. It presumes that most gay men dislike their own penises and wish they didn't have them. Most gay men in the real world love to be penised people and would not lose their own penis for anything.

There is a better theory that trans people all suffer from severe mental illness.

Thanks, R90. I’ve been a believer in the trans-spectrum for years. What got me thinking abour that was I knew a guy who was extremely feminized due his dieting and workouts, he was leaner than women but feminine at same time. He would wear tight clothing, midriffs, he would stand like a woman. He shaved off all his body hair, no arm hair. Was always working out around straight men. I would mistake women for him and think “oh that guy is here” but it was actually a woman wearing a hat. I asked him if he was gay and he said “no” he was “straight”. But, he would pursue straight men and only straight men. Guys with girlfriends, wives, etc.. But, it got me thinking maybe he’s not gay, maybe he’s trans. Maybe you don’t have to remove body parts or take hormones to become trans. Maybe you can do it through extreme dieting and exercise and male clothing that’s very tight and revealing. You can give off the illusion of a womam to attract straight men.

These days, you don't need to lose your penis to be called a "trans woman". They call it 'girldick'.

R78 The “straights” (in the porn referred to on your linked thread) are either closeted gay men married to women or straight men who are desperate for a decent blowjob - the kind most Frauen can’t or won’t perform. These taboos are what makes this porn so erotic. Bonus points if you add the shocked and horrified wife discovering her hubby being sucked off by Manny the landscaper.

Some guys get off on blasting their load on a man’s face in front of his GF or wife just to get back at her for the merciless nagging and haranguing she subjects him to on a daily basis. Why on earth do you think a gay man would want to transition into one of these pathetic women?

[quote]The “straights” (in the porn referred to on your linked thread) are either closeted gay men married to women or straight men who are desperate for a decent blowjob - the kind most Frauen can’t or won’t perform. These taboos are what makes this porn so erotic. Bonus points if you add the shocked and horrified wife discovering her hubby being sucked off by Manny the landscaper.

This is just fantasy and anti-female. Straight men seek out women who blow guys. Not men.

[quote]Some guys get off on blasting their load on a man’s face in front of his GF or wife just to get back at her for the merciless nagging and haranguing she subjects him to on a daily basis. Why on earth do you think a gay man would want to transition into one of these pathetic women?

And this is just emasculation of gay men which is trans.

OP here. I was just asking a simple question about gay men dressing in womens clothing. I didnt intend for this thread to become an anti-trans thread. Sorry for those who are offended.

frau alert

Is it even a gay thing? I think it's just how fashion is going. Young men are wearing ever more feminine style clothes and young women, masculine style. Nothing to do with being gay or straight, it's this gender fluid nonsense

They look stupid.

Some trans i saw in a video transitioned because "she" thinks" most gay men are effeminate and only a few are masculine. "She" also considred it a "lesbian" relationship for two gay men as together. It is in spanish the interview so it will be hard for most of you to understand. Her part of where she said that it is lesbian for two gay men to be together is stupid but the other part where most gay men are feminine is kind of the truth. I am no gay man but a MASCULINE guy into anything feminine. And those DL polls in which half describes themselves as feminine in varying degrees and that 60% of gay men were correctly identified by people by just looking at them in a study sheds truth to this. Just admit that the feminine gay men and masculine lesbians are on the trans spectrum.

"Young men are wearing ever more feminine style clothes and young women, masculine style. Nothing to do with being gay or straight, it's this gender fluid nonsense"

Uh, wrong, most young men do not wear "feminine style clothing" - some of you must live in a WEHO bubble.