Why is so much gay porn about seducing straight men?

Because no one loathes us more than we loathe ourselves.

Nobody gives a shit what the right wing thinks and nobody should. They are a bunch of idiots who should all go die in a greasefire and the world would be a better place because of it.

You mean like this, OP?

No one finds flaming queens hot!

But what if they were non-flaming guys who were also gay R4?

It's a humanitarian instict.

Because many gay men are horny and turned on by straight men. It’s a simple answer. If there was no market for it, they wouldn’t produce it.

Heterosexuality is a choice, a sin, and a social construct invented by bigots to institutionalize the PIV-rape of women and the cockblocking of gay men.

Heterosexuality is rape, period.

Heterosexuality is a form of treason to your own sex. It’s just another invention made to think men are entitled to women’s bodies.

R8 and R9 have literally just murdered 20 million transmen of color with those posts.

Not sure, don't really watch any of those "straight seduction" vids and think stuff like baitbus is incredibly gross and weird.

I will say videos labelled "str8" you find on the interweb will tend to have more appealing guys for me. It's not their perceived straightness, but their masculinity that's a turn on. Society says the two are inseparable-- so we often get told we're lusting after straight men when the truth is most of us just aren't into big nelly queens, especially not the feminine guys themselves.

Some get turned on by the abuse from hets they've internalized and the "trickery" thing though. That's very clear from the types of porn out there.

Because men, gay or straight, are into rape at some level or getting something they think no one else is getting (a virgin, the best looking in the room, a straight guy, etc.).

Straight men like like "seducing" women out of their league and so do gay men. A straight guy is to a gay one like a virgin or lesbian woman is to a straight guy.

To some people, things that are off limits and/or things they can't have are very attractive and compelling.

Because gay men are perceived as effeminate and unmanly, even by gays

Also, in regards to giving the right wing extra ammunition--- they'd have to be watching gay porn in the first place for that to be true. So who's really lusting after who?

Straight and mostly straight dudes are perceived as more masculine, and therefore, much more attractive

So what I'm hearing is that it's all about internalized homophobia, the notion that gay guys can't be anything other than nellie queens.

OP, your "give the right wing extra ammunition" is the most pathetic gay-hating crap we've seen here in a while.

You're a troll or a woman, right, cunt?

Maybe I'm a female troll R18

Or a transwoman troll of color

R17 the dick wants what it wants mary!

Straight men like to pretend we're far more intrigued by them than we are. It goes both ways in my experience. I've been hit on by as many "straight" identifying guys as I have gay ones. It drives them nuts when you don't give them the attention/reaction they want. I spend 0% of my day thinking about them and neither should you!

Because like all of porn, it is a FANTASY. Turning a good looking straight man has been a classic gay porn fantasy since forever. Since gay porn started in the stone age when there were very few out gay men, it's evolved into straight Bus kind of stuff, or the classic military stuff. Whatever.

Gay-identified men and their culture are just so fem and unmanly, which is not hot. At least most bi and straight guys act like men

R23 Most bi and straight guys act like fiends, they're barely human. There is no monolithic gay culture.

I thought that on Grindr everyone claimed to be "masc" R23? I don't use trashy apps so I wouldn't know. All those Instaho's who spend 4 hours a day in the gym are annoying AF but not fem or unmanly.

It’s about conventional masculinity

Maybe it's because at least there is a storyline? A lot of porn just jumps to the action without providing a hint of a story.

But it's like a dog chasing its tail. Once a straight guy is seduced he's no longer straight.

True but at least he’s masculine

It’s because gay men fetishize and idolize straight men and masculinity. They are fetishized because they are accepted and seen as the ideal by society while anything other than that is mostly the opposite. To be masculine is good while anything pertaining to femininity is inferior or in some severe settings an abomination. Male heterosexuality and masculinity have become synonymous at this point as have femininity and non male heterosexuality. This has instilled in us a desire to be more masculine and an attraction to the masculine. Hence the attraction to straight men because they are perceived as the epitome of masculinity.

Also the studios run by straight porn companies are pretty much inherently homophobic or at the very least hetero focused. It isn’t a coincidence that the studios run by such companies are the main ones exporting such content.

Masculinity matters

I thought that, originally at least, Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher were independently owned R30

Ditto a lot of the lesser "straight guy" sites like Broke Straight Guys etc.

They were

What’s considered manly is what most consider attractive in men. For whatever reasons, a lot of openly gay men present themselves in a unmanly way, which makes every unattractive to many.

*which makes them very unmanly

Yeah, ironically gay culture makes men who adopt it unattractive

Because at least 90% of the dick out there is unavailable so we get off on the idea that it can be ours.

95% or more

Hetero males make a fetish out of lesbianism. Why shouldn’t we subject them to the same male gaze they subject women to?

It’s way out of proportion among gay men. Sometimes straight dudes Fantasize about lesbianism, but not anywhere as much as gay men Fantasize about seducing straight dudes.

Completely different. Straight guys like girl on girl because they imagine they could have a threesome and because it means the women are really into sex as opposed to their sometimes reluctant wives or girlfriends.

It's because closeted "straight" men are a huge market for gay porn. I've always just assumed that's who Men.com is marketing to. It certainly doesn't reflect much gay sensibility.

Yeah it does. Are you blind?

I think, at its most primal urge, its about taking back power. Gay men have been villified and subjected to a stream of invective by straight men throughout time and to "seduce" a straight guy is about proving your worth, in many ways. The powerless wanting to take power by lording it over those who reduce us and marginalize us. Yeah, sure, sometimes its about wanting get a hot looking guy, regardless of whether he's into you or not, but the thrill comes with conquest of supposedly impossible territory. And at its root, gaining back some self-worth in the transaction. Its like insecure people who go after someone married - just to prove to themselves that they can.

Gay porn is all about raping straights and fucking family members.

It’s really about being manly, masculine

And not acting stereotypically gay, which is viewed as unsexy for a man

What a the big fantasy types of men? Construction workers, athletes, military, ethnic studs, thuggish Mandingo types, firemen, police, frat boys, and Instagram fitness bros. Not many are attracted to male hair dressers, florists, broadway types, and nurses for a reason.

Masculinity is so attractive that people are attracted expressions of it that are dangerous and unhealthy, such as macho bad boys and thugs. Women and men alike are drawn to machismo.

That makes sense R44

Whereas that makes no sense R48

Why couldn't those construction workers, athletes, military, ethnic studs, thuggish Mandingo types, firemen, police, frat boys, and Instagram fitness bros all be both masculine and gay? Why couldn't the plot be that two football players realize they're each gay and hot for each other, instead of the usual plot where the gay one seduces the straight one or they get stood up by a girl and decide to "experiment" No Homo!

Masculinity is only attractive in males.

Over the years I have had so much sex with young straight guys when we were in our 20s and 30’s. I was in shape, played sports, didn’t cook, didn’t decorate my apartment

R51 Tell that to lesbians.

R52 They weren't straight in the least.

Also, how many of us have had our hearts broken over "straight" guys that refused to come out of the closet? Maybe it's a psychological complex the pornography industry has managed to tap into.

I think its just biology. When we are in our youth and adolescence, our feelings are triggered by straight friends and acquaintances, who are physically and emotionally unavailable, at least to the extant we would wish them to be - the crushes I had at 8,11,15 and on were the guys and dads from school, church and on tv - pretty much all straight guys. So, that unrequited, unreciprocated type of relationship is ingrained into our desires...

It comes down to masculinity and what’s considered cool

A lot of times the hot masculine jock performers are automatically presumed to be nongay.

Male violence is a response to female homophobia.

R30 that explains it

[quote] I think its just biology. When we are in our youth and adolescence, our feelings are triggered by straight friends and acquaintances, who are physically and emotionally unavailable, at least to the extant we would wish them to be - the crushes I had at 8,11,15 and on were the guys and dads from school, church and on tv - pretty much all straight guys. So, that unrequited, unreciprocated type of relationship is ingrained into our desires...

This is why heterosexuality is not normal, natural, or healthy. It is a form of institutionalized cockblocking backed up by scaremongering tales of human extinction that don't hold up to logical or scientific scrutiny, especially since the first test-tube baby just turned 40.

When gay men find a man attractive, the first thing we notice tends to be personality and looks. Sexual orientation and actual desire to consent to gay sex, especially with the likes of you, is next on the list.

OP is trying to use his brain to analyze something our dicks are responding to......

There are other channels on pornhub, you know., OP

I am attracted to sexy straight men the same way I'm attracted to sexy gay men. However, I'd prefer my porn to feature gay actors because the passion seems more authentic.

Traits considered manly or what attracts most men to men. Interest in divas, calling males by female pronouns, interest in the Golden Girls and Katy Perry, and acting like a sassy drag queen are considered unattractive things in a man to most.

Traits considered manly are what attracts most to certain men.

[quote] Interest in divas, calling males by female pronouns, interest in the Golden Girls and Katy Perry, and acting like a sassy drag queen are considered unattractive things in a man to most.

I was having a conversation about this the other day R65--and we added "dressing in overly fashionable and unflattering clothing" to the list-- and were wondering why so many gay men do all these things knowing that it will make them unattractive to other gay men.

The consensus was that is a way of avoiding sex or sexual encounters either because the idea of sex in general is very stressful or because the person considers sex and/or gay sex to be dirty and wrong.

Regardless, the result is celibacy.

It also stands in contrast to lesbians, where women with more "masculine" interests are not considered undesirable.

^That must explain why I've been hiding behind bangles, earrings & kaftans and hot pink cuban heels for years!

R1 and r12 have connected the drives and motivations succinctly. Thanks.

I think the fact that so many openly gay men display effeminate traits despite the gripping social persecution and dating cold shoulder they face indicates such femininity is deeply innate or at least not a real choice

It's so taboo, so...titillating

It has to do with thinking that straight men are somehow exotic or in a way, real men as opposed to gay men.

We all like a light challenge.

Exactly. Lots of them are gettable.

That’s how hate crimes happen ⬆️

No. This is the bogus excuse for how hate crime happen.

Make your own porn. Sheesh.

I love [italic]The Golden Girls[/italic] but I wouldn’t be caught dead listening to Katy Perry. You really can’t make assumptions.

Bump

R44 I agree 100% with what you wrote. And I would add, if I may, that the secret desire to get a straight man also rest in equal desire to proving that he was gay after all; that seduction will reveal his true self.

R52 I have had a few straight guys in my bed. They all wanted to have sex for various reasons. But I always ask for a kiss during the sex. A fuck you can forget. Few straight men forget kissing another man.

Another reason I prefer amateur porn.

Generally speaking, only older people pay for porn, so porn tends to be tuned to what sells to older people.

Many of these older people have internalised homophobia over their decades of living with it. You only need to look at this thread and the way so many posters here equate masculinity with being straight. So the porn producers play up to that.

Actually dating ads from young men seeking men is even more skewed toward seeking “straight men,” or at the very least “masc4masc only.”

There's another great illustration of internalised homophobia - thinking that "masc4masc" means the same as "looking for straight men". Masc ≠ straight

Straight men don’t sleep with men.

But men who sound and carry themselves like men are more attractive

True

I'm attracted to masculinity. I do not find men who talk like, move like, act like, or dress like a woman to be sexy. Now in real life, I have met men who were a little effeminate but once I got to know them, I found them attractive but porn is visceral. To get off the men need to be masculine for me.

No body ever criticizes straight men for not liking porn with masculine looking women.

While I treat all People with respect, I just naturally am Only attracted to males who are conventionally masculine and mainstream. I find most openly gay guys display mannerisms, interests, and characteristics that are observably effeminate or nonmasculine, which kills any possibility of attraction for me.

A lot of us still hate ourselves for wanting the hunky jock bully who tormented us in high school. Seducing him by proxy is a way of both satisfying that lust and punishing him.

OP! Right in front of my SALAD!??

You were tormented by jocks? I played sports, and I generally didn’t see jocks tormenting or persecuting people. Jocks are popular, but usually not bullies. They might have been conceited but rarely bullies.

R92 My experience is not everyone's, but neither is yours.

R11 is right. It’s not that they are, claim to be or are labeled straight. It’s the masculinity.

Porn is hard enough to recruit for. When a guy with two kids to make payments on, an apartment and a bad knee crushing his (somewhat unrealistic) dreams of being a football star gets offered a contract and they take it —why be upset? He’ll, I wish Jimmy Johnson still did porn.

I thought we were supposed to be attracted to men.

They only guys I’ve ever known to date nelly are really straight acting gays who like that bit of feminity or unfortaye gays that are heavy/unattractive.

There is nothing less hot that seeing two nellies cuddles up together. It’s like watching lesbian porn “with a little bit extra” as those tranny fuckers like to say.

Unfortunate*

This thread needs more clips!

R93. Sorry you were bullied. That’s never cool but don’t hold it against all jocks.

Jocks are hot and while the cam shows do nothing for me I think a lot of guys are paying for them.

R85. I think I agree with you. I don’t think our sexuality is “fluid” or “exist on a spectrum.” I think men like what they like and that’s all there is to it.

Had straight friends since school days and never sucked one of them off.

You can always (usually, hopefully) tell the guys you shouldn’t be alone with unless you want to be. Guys show their hand quickly. Someone hot walks into a room and we stare.

I don’t know why everyone’s feelings are so hurt. Masc 4 masc just means they don’t want to open the door to a four-corner-formation snap followed by “Wasasss up Qwaaan?!

This guys is a real class act 🙄 He’s really hot and comes in the door like a bull. The person behind the gloryhole tricked him or the top was too stupid to ask questions beyond “So you’ll suck my dick?” I think it’s a tranny but could just be a really effeminate guy.

I guess the top had dabbled in this before. I wouldn’t call him straight especially after he finds out it isn’t a girl and drops them anyway.

Hot guy but a skeeze. Who would set one of these up in their homes and let guys from Grindr just come and go? I’m guessing he wasn’t shocked that he didn’t care if they weren’t 18. Are we really still telling ourselves you can’t get STDs from swallowing?

“I don’t care if you aren’t 18...come on.”

I knew several closeted “straight” guys who wouldn’t go near a fem guy especially in public.

Straight man cock more tasty, good!

Straight men in porn is often awkward as fuck, most gay men crave masculinity. Limp straight dick is not what gay men are after.

I think you are all mixing up the notion of "straight" and "masculine"

Corbin Fisher could tell you that "hey, we found all these masculine gay and bi curious jocks and now we're going to let them fulfill their fantasies" but somehow that wouldn't seem as "hot" as "we found these hot straight jocks--and we're going to shoot of a video of them fucking a girl first, in case you didn't believe they were straight--and then we're going to give them an "education" and teach them how much fun getting it on with a guy can be. They'll still be straight though--we'll continue to show you videos of them fucking chicks, just to show you that hey, #NoHomo, but how hot is it watching these straight guys getting fucked and making out with each other?"

Similarly, one of the most popular story series on NIFTY right now is called "Little White Pills", a vaguely sci-fi bit about a company whose experimental athletic performance enhancement pills also cause the straight college boys taking them to start craving gay sex, and even though they resist at first because, gay sex would be too, you know gay, they all wind up fucking each other and realizing how hot gay sex is and how much more they enjoy it than straight sex...

I think a lot are r103

NIFTY still exists?

Most of the popular non gay for pay performers sound like nelly drag queens and they directors let them talk and moan like bitches lol don’t they realize it’s a turn off to most gay men?

Because autoandrophilia.

Seduction is hot, OP. And who else is a gay man going to seduce?

A gay man is not going to seduce a woman. Certainly not in gay porn. And a gay man has no real need to seduce another gay man. Just flash a fresh bottle of poppers at him, and he'll be naked and in bed in a flash. That only leaves a few categories, Mormon boyz and straight men, prominently among them.

Gays should lust after Bruce Jenner

The protypical fantasy man for most looks like this, nothing like the gay male culture stereotypes.

How are black gay porn stars seen as super masculine but white gay porn stars seen as Nelly drag queens? Black men don't usually go gay4pay, but the porn is still masculine. Are you all saying white gays can't be masculine?

There are masc white Dudes in male porn, but they rarely identify as gay.

R112 you think dl watches black on black gay porn?

[quote]Why is so much gay porn about seducing straight men?

Because a lot of it is consumed by straight women. They identify with that scenario by proxi.

They are living their fantasy of seducing the hottie through gay Pornhub.

I was talking about interracial porn mostly.

I exclusively have sex with straight men. Most of them want to kill me afterward. It's a wonder I'm still alive.

How do the porn studios convince straight men to have gay sex? Is the money that good?

R118 we live in a world of lazy grifters who would rather fuck a dude than do an honest days work.

Why?

- "straights, they are just gay for cock like us! We are not so different after all!"

- the straight friend, from the past, who got away. What could've been.

. "how awesome that these alpha males put up with us low life gays and even let "us" do stuff to them!"

- making straight douchebros "our" bitches.

- Worshipping the so called male ideal (straight, masculine, muscular, alpha).

R98 Relax, not that deep.

There is or was a site called Straight Hell and its whole premise was gay skinheads raping straight guys but the videos were so gross and mean that they are unwatchable.

Ewwww Straight Hell sounds as disgusting as the straight porn industry which is big on rape fantasies.

R122 I'm pleased with myself that I never found that site anything but disgusting.

There's a thread bouncing around now asking about porn featuring ugly people. "Straight Hell" took that concept and ran with it.

They do it to women all the time so gay men should get to do it to them in return.

Because so much is written by straight women who have zero knowledge of gay sex. So, they template everything superimposing their own bodies and behavior onto the “gay” character.

When you read this trash, which sadly I’ve done and I think much less of myself for it - you realize the “gay” character is always a female who is a cut-and-paste character. There are simple changes in the description and clothing but everything about the character is female and feminine. The physical characteristics, mannerisms, behavior, thought patterns, attempts at seduction - even employment are all female. Clothing choices, emphasis on looking “cute” and “finished” are all female obsessions, not male.

The sex is inevitably screwed up. The anus does not self lubricate, and the choice of positions are completely inplausible for actual male-male sex, well - unless their heads rotate 180 degrees like spiders. That’d be creepy.

It’s shitty writing by women with absolutely no knowledge of how men’s bodies work, what turns them on. But then, they’re writing for women so the idea they’re offending gay men by committing a social crime that’s the equivalent of blackface doesn’t occur to them. It never does.

All this crap should be required to have a lawnjockey on the cover as a warning it was written by a woman and is complete shit written by a woman and is blackface.

That’s a weird explanation

Because it's hot?

They like to "recruit" despite it never actually happening a single time in human history.

This is just another reason why they hate us.

they don't hate us, they hate you! I can't say that I blame them.

Oh wow

I would look at it from another point of view - it's becoming more socially acceptable to be open about being gay/bi. The stereotypical "gay guy" isn't always effeminate. There are also plenty of masculine guys out there who are gay and bi and are now becoming more comfortable about being out.

The stigma with gay identity is still huge and overwhelming. The closet and denial are still pervasive

The ultimate fantasy guy looks like this. Not exactly your stereotypical gay guy look or vibe.

No, R135. That is not the ultimate fantasy guy. That's a 23 year old fitness model who gets paid to make you feel bad about your adult body and push you into buy products that you don't need and won't work.

This is a more suitable candidate for ultimate fantasy guy.

Naw, r136. Guys like that aren’t driving clicks in male porn or getting all the hype from drooling fans. Maybe older gay white guys are into that bearish look, but it’s not the overall hot mainstream fantasy guy.

Gay men are gullible.

Gay porn fans are

I used to enjoy seducing a straight (or at least a guy who identified as being straight). Just for the thrill of the hunt. Once I had sex with them, that was enough. Though there were a few that I liked being with, and if the attraction was mutual, then we continued for many more times together. I guess back then I enjoyed the challenge, but now I prefer guys who are out and comfortable with being a gay man, with all the benefits. And yes, I love watching (still) gay porn where a straight guy is seduced. .

These insights are gleaned from, appropriately enough, the latest, gayest edition of Pornhub Insights, a regularly-released collection of data from the online porn juggernaut. According to Pornhub, in data exclusive to VICE, this year's most popular categories for gay content across the country are "black" and "straight guys." That's the same as it was last year. And a variety of other conclusions mined from the site's trove of user data may have you rethinking what you know about what gets gay dudes titillated. It's well known that more gay porn is viewed in the South than anywhere else in the US, something this year's findings backed up yet again—Mississippi, Louisiana and Georgia came in at numbers one, three and and four for states with most pageviews of Pornhub's gay content. But what's truly shocking are each state's most popular relative search terms, those that are disproportionately popular in certain areas of the country. For instance, "Mormon" is the most popular term in Utah and Idaho, where more Mormons live. "Cowboy" is most popular in Montana, where cowboy culture is alive and well. "Dominican" is most popular in New York, where almost half of the entire Dominican population in the US lives. "Asian" is most popular in California, which has the largest Asian population in the country. "Redneck" is the most popular term in Kentucky and West Virginia. I'm not making any assumptions about the people that live there, just stating a fact. The trend seems to be that gay people aren't necessarily fantasizing about college-aged twinks—they're lusting after the kinds of people they see every day, whether that's guys who get on their knees to worship Joseph Smith, know how to ride a bucking bronco, or can neck a redneck. We all have crushes on our neighbors, no matter their color, creed, or culture they hail from.

Personality is something that gets me hot for a straight dude. One I like now has it in the 10 plus range. Be is very cool, funny, kind. He is somewhat athletic. He is 40 and in incredible shape. I get a few pings, but he seems almost like the gay does not exist. I love being friends with him. I'm scared to make a real obvious move. What's a guy to do.

It's too hard for me to say.

I do think that there is an opening for a new genre of porn.

Dominican" is most popular in New York, where almost half of the entire Dominican population in the US lives.

When I first saw those Pornhub stats, all I could think was "people too unsophisticated to know about MyVidster which has better video quality (HD) and full episodes from popular porn studios."

LOL at R136

I never get some of you eldergays.

The guy at R135 is what gets him off. You don't like guys who look like that, you like older more bearish types.

Why is one more valid than the other? They're both valid. One is a Corbin Fisher vibe, the other Men.com

R141 site for article?

MyVidster is wonky and filled with spyware and annoying pop ups

I don't like that site.

MyVidster itself is fine. However it hosts little content itself - instead it embeds content from all the different sites it crawls. So you do have to keep an eye on the source link before you click play. Though why on earth you're looking at porn on the internet without a popup and ad blocker...

MyVidster has a lot of technical glitches

The thing is that porn Presents any dude who is attractive and conventionally masculine as straight. Even amateur porn Does that. It’s rather homophobic to Think that truly masculine dudes can’t be gay. For instance, this amateur video presents the top as straight because he seems like a regular mainstream Masculine dude. He’s probably not straight, but porn thinks presenting him as straight makes him Hotter

Because most gay men are bottoms, and straight men are mostly, by default, tops. I wrote this in another thread, but gay men mostly have a very warped perception of “masculinity” that’s unique among themselves and not at all consistent with how society defines true, effortless masculinity you often find in straight guys.

As far as most gay men are concerned, the moment they get just a little tipsy, the facade of “masculinity” falls away and the queen comes right out.

With these conversations, everyone seems to forget that straight men ARE attracted to feminine traits—just not attracted to manly bodies. Gay men, who are mostly bottoms, are only attracting other gay men (mostly bottoms) when they get huge muscles and and try to employ a masculine swagger.

The slim and effeminate guys believe it or not will attract more masc, DL straight dick than your roided-out queen.

They also attract bi Dudes, ya know....

As a masculine bisexual guy and from my own experience, there is no such thing as a masculine alpha 100% gay guy, none at all

That is something that the media created, just like women in movies who fall for and try to hook up with gay guys, most women will move off a bisexual guy when they find out, they are not trying to hook up with 100% gay guys

Good thing for other masculine bisexual guys

You have not been to prison or the military then...there are a few 100% masculine gay men...

There are few very masculine openly gay guys. I find that coming out and being in gay cultures undercuts men’s masculinity. They start talking differently, watching different shows, listening to different music, identifying with women, and wearing clothes that make them less masculine

Gay culture is not very manly

Seconded R156. Every “indistinguishable from straight” guy I’ve hooked up with has been bisexual, and most are closeted because they prefer women. For them coming out makes no sense because it would dramatically reduce the number f the straight women who would consider them viable partners.

Since most bi guys only like to hook up with, not date men, it makes sense that they’d keep their same-sex inclinations secret.

What's fascinating about that R153 is we never even get to hear the "straight" guy talk. He just fucks and has a decent body. For all we know he sounds like Frankie Grande IRL.

R156, R158 and R160 -- I'm thinking you're older and what you say is likely true for an older generation. But coming out these days doesn't always mean "giving up all your current friends and making a whole new group of gay friends." But for guys who did just that--start spending all their time at gay parties/bars/clubs, then yes, I've seen a couple of them become decidedly more femme in their overall manners.

But there are still plenty of gay guys who aren't femme--they're just not as obvious.

True r161, Although you hear him lowly mutter a few words like a typical brodudes. But he looks and acts like your typical masculine American guy.

Studies have recently shown that people can accurately distinguish gay guys from straight guys based on pics of their faces. Yes, facial structure was part of it, but also styling of hair and whether they wore a baseball cap were also factors

Hand gestures are thought to indicate male sexuality

Every homosexual fantasises about having a real man's baby!

This issue is discussed in the book "A Billion Wicked Thoughts," where a pair of neuroscientists examined the data on people's search for porn on the internet and how that aligns with research on the neuro differences between the sexes: basically, gay men have the sexual motivation of the male -- visually oriented, needing sex on a regular basis to spread our seed -- with the sexual desires of straight women -- wanting to have sex with an alpha male type.

Ummm

I'm 156 and again the alpha great looking , muscle bound gay guy is a media myth, it doesn't exist

Some of those dudes DO hook up with guys but their bisexual and not open about it, I work a tough job as a loading dock supervisor and all the gay men we've had had work up front as the shipping/receiving clerk's with women not with the guys and they're all obviously gay, feminine and therefore unfuckable

The dudes on the dock lifting heavy stuff on the other hand....

Hot. Real men

THis is R160, I’m not older, I’m 33 and very few out gay men in my demographic and younger are what I would call straight passing. Perhaps I just have strong gaydar, but it seems like 80%+ of young gay guys have very obvious gay voice and mannerisms.

I’m sure there are some closeted gay men out there who you can’t tell are gay, but it’s disingenuous to suggest that these guys represent anything but a small percentage of gay men.

I'm attracted to black, Arab, and latino men for this reason. Openly gay men seem to become more feminine with each passing day if they are immersed in the gay community, especially gay white men.

Bi dudes are likely to be closeted anyway. It’s the norm

I’m mostly into white dudes but avoid the gay ones, who are mostly NELLY bottoms. Instead I seek out the DL bi/discrete guys.

"Straight" guys might be hot on video to some but in real life, they are more trouble than they are worth.

Not really

R154, you really have a myopic view, on sex, sexuality, gender and masculinity.

Masculinity, as a concept is fragile, and does most men a disservice in addressing their needs. The focus should be on what makes people happy and how to get there, not acting one way or another to please anyone else. Gay men and lesbians know the misery living a life, that someone else feels, better than most people.

Agreed r175. But there's no reason the concept of masculinity can't be expanded. It takes a real man to take a hard pounding with a big dick. We tend to dwell on the negatives of male sexuality, which is not a bad thing, but we can easily lose sight of the purest elements of male on male sexuality. Sexuality is to be enjoyed.

R175, my comments refute the common trope from the many posters who assert that effeminate men have no fans, as this is couldn’t be further from the truth. Again, these gay men are viewing gender norms through their own lens, but not considering that most men are NOT attracted to masculinity, and that girly men, especially when smooth, young, and thin, are quite desired, mostly by men who are attracted to femininity.

I also fail to see where you find fault with my comments about gay men’s definition of masculinity being unique to themselves. Of course there are outliers—gay men whose interests, mannerisms, and overall “vibe” is indistinguishable from your average straight mans. But that’s not common, and you know it. Most “masculine” gay men still largely exhibit easily observable gay identifiers—off the bat or when they get more comfortable around a person.

None of these observations are criticisms. I’m a gay man, too. I’m just simply stating my opinions. My comments seem to have hit a nerve with you for some reason.

[quote]Instead I seek out the DL bi/discrete guys.

Sadly (for all the spelling/grammar queens out there), the guys who refer to themselves as "discrete" online tend to be the most masculine.

Yep, exactly, R178. Many of these guys wont even ask for, or send a face pic either. I’ve met up with so many hot, young white guys who just wanted a good BJ. We traded body pics only.

They also tend to have no connection, interest, or awareness of gay culture, which makes them more masculine and hot to many of us.

Our first two husbands were also fish-fuckers.

(Nothing hotter!)

Personally, I lose attraction to any guy who displays any stereotypically gay traits or effeminacy, including gay talk and mannerisms

I don't get it, who wants to lust after someone who will never want you and real straight guys don't want you.

r183, it's a combination of forbidden fruit and basic evolutionary biology.

The heart wants what it wants

You mean the dick R185 the heart has nothing to do with it.

R67, most truly gay or bi women strongly prefer a feminine woman.

R182 I avoid any top who listens to lady fugga, ariana grande or watches drag race!

r185 and r186 clearly meant “the mussy”

R188, I avoid any male who does those things period.

Who dis?

The whole porn industry is a mess. For example, a bottom who can't maintain an erection while getting fucked either has some serious nervous system issues or is doing it just for the money. It's formulaic as all hell.

Or course they are doing it for the money. Duh

R192 that's ridiculous. Many bottoms simply don't maintain hardons while getting fucked, doesn't mean they don't enjoy it and doesn't mean they have "issues" you twat

FEmmy bottoms think their rectum is a pussy. They hate their dicks.

[quote] Personally, I lose attraction to any guy who displays any stereotypically gay traits or effeminacy, including gay talk and mannerisms

This is a common enough theme and yet the vast majority of gay men actually emphasize these traits and play up their effeminacy, even down to clothing and hairstyle choices.

That's always struck me as odd, since it seems designed to make them unattractive to other men.

We like a chase. Especially if it leads to sex and it always does on porn

There are no hot gay men, simple as that

This , "gay guys are hot and work.out constantly and are great friends for women and are clean" BS was media created

I'm a masculine, so I'm told, bisexual male and all my best buds through the years, guys I've worked out with and still do, played baseball, hockey and football with are straight as an arrow and many are hot, pure male testosterone, the alpha male if you will

Even WOMEN prefer a dominating type alpha male over a beta male and yes over their feminine gay guy friends, whom women don't even look at as "men"

Women get PISSED when they like an attractive masculine guy whose even a little bisexual, it just happened to me at work yesterday with a female co worker asking people about me, my age and I knew she was flirting with me and another co worker said she liked you until I told her you were bisexual .

Now the 100 gay men I know are mostly jokes, flamboyant, borderline female, completely unfuckable, victim portraying, just no. No dude

R196, only the vast majority of gay culture gays. There are many gay men who blend in with the mainstream and never adopt gay culture

Agreed R199 and I am one, but we are still very much the minority and you see threads on DL basically insisting that being a femme Cher and fashion loving mince is the only way to be gay

You do? They can’t be serious.

If the search function worked I'd send you some links R201

"There are many gay men who blend in with the mainstream and never adopt gay culture."

You think you blend in. If you're over the age of 18 and not actively seeking pussy, people will be suspect of your sexuality.

And yet here all you closet cases are, desperately trying to "pass" and "blend in" when the very thing that will set you free (pussy) repulses you and you run away from it screaming like the scared little boys you really are.

Everyone wants what they can't have.

why do so many women find gay men attractive

R198 you got a lot of problems, bro

R198

You are wrong about literally everything. Women dgaf about over-muscled bodies, that is a gay thing. Women typically like the cute, pretty boys. Face>>>>>>>>>>>>>>body for most women.

It's why celebs with "gay-face" are ADORED by fangirls.

r205 but a bitch ain’t one!

R206 where are these over muscled guys who are gay?

Again, EVERY gum dude that's hot I know and even the really built Military looking middle aged guys are straight as hell

I can name about 10 great looking, masculine , muscled guys at work now that if I wasn't in a relationship with a woman and wanted to pursue my interest in men, I would date and are exactly my type, it doesn't matter anyway since they're straight

I can't name ONE full fledged gay guy that fits that description

Not one

I've had luck with fellow bisexual guys when I was single however

Poor OP’s life revolves around others.

R296 coming from a bisexual guy, you do realize that most women won't even go NEAR a bisexual male let alone try to convert a gay one

Even my girlfriend joked with me when I mention women hitting on me she said "be honest if telling them you have a girlfriend doesn't work out, tell them the truth that you're bisexual"

Works Everytime

That women trying to convert a gay guy shit is delusional Hollywood fantasy written by gay men desperate to be accepted.... Anywhere

OP for the same reason straight porn is all essentially about rape and humiliation

Men, as a species, find coercion, and degradation sexy. Sad but true.

Also as a masculine bisexual bro type guy who fits in with "mainstream male culture", whatever that is, I can tell you that masculine bisexual men are way more accepted by straight men then by straight women, I haven't had one bad experience with my straight bros and in my college/early 20s fooled around with a few of them. Women constantly give you attitude and make passive agressive remarks about male bisexuals

R208

I never said overly muscled men were gay, I said it's gay men who thirst over muscled bodies, women go for looks over body

R212 is correct. As long as a bi guy “acts like a normal guy” and doesn’t “act gay” or call attention to being different, he likely will be accepted by his male peers. He can’t be stereotypically gay or observably fem though.

R214 yup and sometimes you'll do som drunk fooling around with them but that's all it's gonna be

No homo bro. LOL

Well, I don’t try to sleep with my friends, my bros.

This is what happens when real straight guys clearly don’t want to participate but need to make rent in Bay Area. No chemistry but realistic reactions

Video at R217 brings up the whole "gay guys getting off on being degraded" thing too

Exploitive

This is why some become "women" so they will not have to deal to fucking and dating fems since most gays are fems in varying degrees

It's about fantasy. Straight porn used to be about seduction, too. The men seduced the virgin, the neighbor, co-worker, someone's wife, etc. no it's seems to be more about power and degradation. The women look like specialized cartoon characters now. Gay porn is still focusing on seduction and who is the ultimate object of that, a straight guy. Yes, there are a lot of emotional factors there, too. Who were our first crushes? A straight friend or a guy at school. Porn takes that a plays it out.

I have been with masculine gay guys, bi guys and one straight guy. The strategy get guy was a sex addict and we blew each other a couple of times in college. It was curiosity for him. He never did it again. It does happen.

The straight guy being seduced is the trope of gay porn that still goes strong. I guess people like to believe they can seduce any man into homoerotic pleasure. What’s more interesting to me is how much of this gay porn is very misogynistic. The resentment towards women who get to fuck these unattainable straight men in real life is strong.

MEN.com seems obsessed with the same scenario in an increasing amount of its scenes; the ugly or overweight woman catching her hot stud (way out of her league) husband fucking her son. Is this what gets guys off? A lot of their videos in general are about straight men being seduced while there is a women present or poised to catch them. It’s interesting that this is such a popular thing for gay men to fantasise over...

Bisexual and “mostly straight” identity is the fastest growing segment of men interested in men. It’s simply good marketing to produce erotica that reflects the identity of this Segment of dudes.

Seducing straight menz is my specialty.

You have never and will never seduce anyone without serious help from your checkbook and/or heavy drugs Lindsey.

Lindsey Vonn?

R12 is correct. DL makes this more complicated than it has to be.

Straight guys don't think about gay sex.....AT ALLLLLLLL!

They think about women....not trans-women, not transvestites, not drag queens.

They think about having sex with women.....not trans-women, not transvestites, not drag queens and certainly not men.

If there is a "straight" guy who claims to think about gay sex...he's....not...straight. That means he has urges or has already masturbated to men, gay sex scenes etc. He's either a repressed gay or is bi.

It's lust, not rocket science.

Once again, how many gay men think about straight sex? How many gay men here want to fuck a woman?

Silly topics like this push the narrative that everyone is bi, which is not the case.