British Royal Family Gossip: Part 23

Have the Dook and Dookess of Sussex opened the shower gifts? Will they donate them to charity to be auctioned off? Would anybody bid on them?

Well? Hmmm?

Della - re your final comment in the last thread re MM's famous friends using her for their own pr. Does anyone really think that Amal Clooney wasn't helping throw the public spectacle of a shower for anything else BUT publicity? Like why not throw the party at a private home out of the way of the paps and the public? Because it would defeat the entire purpose.

How the fuck can she declare at Customs if she didn't open her prezzies? Or do rules for Customs only apply to the great unwashed?

Agreed, r2.

Thank you to whoever started Part 23

Was Amal Clooney photographed entering or leaving the shower? If no receipts, she wasn't there. Granted, it seems she would be, given hubby's rant last week.

Another Megsie thing - while grifting around is probably better than stretching your pennies, it's more tiring than having your own bank. Meghan does not have fuck you money. She has treacherous "friends" who aren't really friends, just co-famewhores like Paris and Nicole or Paris and Kim. Not even that close. This is all PR, like Priyanka and her hubby.

Good point about customs. Albeit I completely believe security and customs and everything else just looks the other way despite what they pretend and despite the occasional bust. Wouldn't surprise me if Harry was the drug mule for his friends and international partying in his day.

Someone in the media pointed out that Megsie hasn't made a single friend in the time she's been in London. They can pretend all they like there's going to be a "London shower" but nobody is going to make Kate give one. All of her "friends" gathered in NYC to whore themselves out and put on display weird comped and merched items like luggage. WTF. This is Megsy all over.

We haven't even hit her rubicon yet. The households of the Cambridges and the Sussexes haven't yet split, nor have their offices split yet. When they do, William gets KP and the Sussexes are in amongst the "minor"(ish) royals at St. James under Charles' purvue. This is an interesting move considering Charles funded the Will & Harry "court" to begin with.

There's been plenty of noise about how they're going to have some London home or other, but no back up. It's been said flat out they have no London residence. People want to say "Of course they do." but if they did, it would be definite and a pretty legit royal reporter said they do not. They have Frogmore Cottage, currently undergoing a very pedestrian renovation and series of improvements, and based in plans it doesn't appear they'll even live in the whole of it. And the location kind of sucks. Not that private.

I believe they have no home of their own in the Cotswolds, despite claims to the contrary. If after a year the media is still speculating on which home it is - and this is MEG, remember, whose every "secret" move is broadcast on the Daily Mail - it doesn't exist. It's Soho House. Soho House is practical and it can accomodate the RPOS. But can it accomodate Ginger Jesus (kudos to whomever coined that one). I don't think so.

Amal was at the shower. She made it a point to walk in with her coat open in frigid weather so that the paps got a pic of her outfit.

What is her deal? Why is she so desperate for this gutter type of attention? She is accomplished in her field and should have no desire to hang with the likes of Meghan (or George for that matter).

Yes, that was funny that the DM was photographing random arriving hotel guests and saying, we don't know who this woman is but she could be here for the baby shower! Insane.

I've flown on a private jet (for work.). Customs didn't give a damn about us. It's basically inconvenient. The plane could have been full of whores and coke and we would have arrived unchecked. So you can assume MegAntoinette had no worries there.

Will the family make a show of accepting MM a la the Christmas walk, or will we see pointed frostiness?

I absolutely agree, R8. I really admired Amal when I first heard of her. Doesn't she understand that what she originally had (an illustrious career as a human rights lawyer) is so much more rare and valuable than what she is now pursuing (a Kardashian-esque celebrity lifestyle)?

R8 I think Amal's accomplishments are largely hype and she wasn't the driving force behind cases in which she participated. I saw all I needed to know about her watching her prance - and prance is the word - into the Sussex wedding, unable to look at anyone who spoke to her as her eyes were sliding to and fro looking for the cameras. There's what was almost assuredly a surrogate used for twins nobody has ever laid eyes on. She and George are shady as fuck. No, she doesn't need Meghan and would have done better to stay away, but I don't think they see the situation clearly, hence their attending the wedding in the first place. I think they imagine, but haven't verified, that she's some sort of popular figure in America. She ain't. They've bet the wrong pony. It's really obvious, but sort of not surprising some of the celebs around Meghan can't see it. On paper, supporting her looks like a no brainer. But WATCHING her in action, one would think the toxic would send A listers running away. Unless they don't recognize the toxic since they're the same thing, only they disguise it with either more sophistication or a higher level of celebrity. I also think they imagine Meghan is a bigger celebrity than she is.

I would love to see Goop interact with MeMe.

Amal is grotesque in her giddiness to be noticed.

Even Jessica Mulroney walked into that shower with more poise, and she's a low bar.

Serena I get. Her tennis career is dwindling so she's using this circus to promote her side hustles.

I wonder how things such as this shower go on between people who really don't know each other. Do they air kiss and pretend to be friends? Or, retreat to their corners and play on their phones?

I don't understand why the hardcore Meghan fans have such a problem with Kate. We don't know if the stories about the two of them not getting on are true - and even if they are, we don't have the full story. We have no idea if either of them is more at fault than the other, or how much of it has been exaggerated. Plenty of people have fraught relationships with their in-laws. I'm not generally a fan of "leave the royals alone" arguments, because they do cash in by publicising elements of their private lives (televising their weddings, for example) in order to maintain interest in the monarchy and therefore fund their lifestyle. They have to accept that tabloid gossip is part of the deal. But some people seem to have created this elaborate narrative in which Kate and Meghan despise each other, when really we know next to nothing about their relationship.

If Amal were ever the real thing she would never have married George Clooney and that's the end of that. She was never what her publicity said she was.

Lol! I was curious, so I went to YouTube and looked up "amal clooney prance." All this time I thought it was an exaggeration. Nope.

I believe that the Queen was happy to let William and Kate have those early years of their marriage as private as possible. As well as the years spent with their young family.

The Queen herself, from what I understand, had a lovely childhood with close relationships with both her parents. All this, particularly before her father unexpectedly became king. Even after that, her family appeared to be a very close quartet.

Supposedly the Queen loved the early years of her marriage, years she spent when her husband was still in the service and her children were little.

All that was cut very short with the Queen's father died too young.

Besides what appears to have been a negative impact on the early life of Prince Charles (not Anne so much it appears) it's hard to believe that the Queen herself does not look back and feel that she and her husband lost out during too many of those early years of their marriage because of the necessity of focusing on her role as Queen.

I think that the Queen was happy to know that William and Kate had the early years of their marriage together so far out of the spotlight and that they seem to have built their own strong family unit, both as a couple but with their children as well.

So, attacks on Kate (and William) for their low profile during those years seems to have totally missed the point.

Given that the Queen saw the untimely breakups of the marriage of 3 of her 4 children, I don't find it hard to believe that she wanted to give William and Kate as much time for themselves as she could so that they could build a strong family unit.

Good for her.

R16 You're thinking about it too objectively and fans don't operate on that sort of objective logic, it's more of a mob mentality. Whatever really happened the fans believe that blind about the shopping trip that was posted by Lainey, so they feel like Meghan is being treated unfairly and that they have to defend Meghan by attacking Kate.

The only way they will lay off is if Meghan squashes the feud rumours publically but if she does have NPD then she's not about to do that any time soon.

R16 Kate and Meghan despise each other and it's Meghan's fault because Meghan is a piece of shit.

According to some recent press reports bookies have slashed odds on Prince Williams wife Kate announcing sometime this year that she is pregnant with her 4th baby.

R7 They definitely have a home in the Cotswolds. I live in the general vicinity. Their cottage is one of quite a few on the Great Tew Estate which is vast and completely inaccessible to the public.

R2 yes Amal was there . And she doesn’t have to go trough customs when you flying in a private jet .

Customs comes to you in a private jet...you can’t skip it completely. Otherwise it would be open season for drug smugglers, eh?

I cannot believe anyone sensible thinks HazBean might be living at Soho. It’s a hotel, basically. You think they are living in a hotel? With their security team?

The Soho places are available for anyone to stay at, member or not. In the Cotswolds it’s rooms and studios unless you think they have rented the actual farmhouse - which they haven’t because it’s still available for others to book.

So they’d have to be in a studio with a kitchenette and en suite bathroom. All her clothes and shoes shoved into one wardrobe & a couple of RPOs on a pull out sofa bed.

How ridiculous.

Yeah that’s true but not all the time R25 . And I don.t think If they know the DoS is on board they come on board ! Why you think all these rappers and singers travel by private plane ? Sometimes they will do a search on board a private plane .

Customs is the same whether it’s a private plane or not. The pilot (probably) will be asked if there’s anything to declare. If there is, it’ll be declared.

The only way Markle could sneak goods into the county is by lying and getting the pilot to as well.

Sometimes a reply is so on the money, so absolutely right, that I get frustrated I didn't come up with it myself. In part 22 of the BRFG thread R597's response is simple and eloquent and pretty much spells it all out. It's all about the $$$.

God, this is getting ugly and terribly dark. MM probably only knows Marie Antoinette as a graphic on the front of her TooFaced makeup bag. She clearly has no idea that history repeats itself, and what's more she doesn't give a fuck.

You’re right about it R27 . I googled it . Indeed they always get customs on board .

Its always been for the money with our Duchess ! That’s the griftiest grifter I saw in my lifetime !

Strange you see nothing from PH beside his obligations . He is keeping a very low profile these days ! You are not telling me he sits at home patiently awaiting the return from his wife . No pics of him out and about in London or was he on a holiday too without his wife . I always think that whole thing with the Duchess is to keep us from looking at PH . Its,so over the top all of it . All what she is doing is to avert the eyes from her spouse .And she is doing a good job of doing that. . No following rules no dressing approriate no nothing . All eyes are on her so to speak . From someone who attended university you could expect more . Daily Mail is all about her not a word over Harry . For him its the best thing ever ! Nobody speaks of him anymore . He can go anywhere . From the beginning of this “relationship” there was something off .

[quote]Customs comes to you in a private jet...you can’t skip it completely.

It is entirely down to the discretion of customs. We landed at two in the morning. They declined to meet the plane. No way MegAntionette was delayed waiting on the aircraft.

They do indeed live in rented property in Great Tew, or at least one of them does. ;-) The home is owned by a friend of David Cameron, and is a short walk from the main hub of Soho Farmhouse.

They may not have met the plane, R32, but paper work would have been filled in & your pilot would have been asked whether you had anything to declare.

No one can fly into an airport, disembark and that’s that.

And no one said she would have been “delayed”.

R32 You would have been pre-cleared via the passenger manifesto that the pilot/admin put together. Part of this would have been taking a copy of your passport/visa details & would have included details of any goods that may need to have been declared.

As has been said, if Markle wants to sneak goods through without paying any duty she would have had to have lied to the pilot when he was putting together his manifesto.

Manifest...not manifesto. Fecking autocorrect.

She already leaked to the Dailymail and People that she was waiting for the sweetest reason to open up her presents from the shower....she wanted to wait for a Prince Harry to be there too! So my guess is she did NOT declare them from customs, Gail also mentioned it. Grftiest grifter.

R6 - No pix? Are you serious? You didn't get an eyeful of her fire engine red jumpsuit and gold lame point toed needly heels pumps?!

Keep up, mate!

I don't think, to repy to Della and others who are pointing out that Meghan's new "friends" are using her grab publicity for themselsves, that Meghan doesn't care. As long as she gets to be part of that circle, she doesn't care how much of her soul she has to sell to get there - and that includes her marriage. She never would have looked at Harry if he weren't HRH Harry Windosr.

That this is basically a mutually beneficial club of bottom feeders looking for advantage, is why it reflects so badly on a senior member of the BRF - Amal throws her coat open in the snow so everyone can see her clothes, Meghan throws her coat open so everyone can see her baby bump - the connection is made in the public psyche. "This is who and what she really is."

It's amusing watching fashion columns in the Telegraph (you should see the comments there btl), the deliberately obtuse gushing of HELLO, and the Meghan stans on Celebitchy ignore the obvious: these are really bad optics for Meghan, her increasingly overshadowed husand, and the BRF.

^Good grief, terrible sentence structure, revised:

"I don't think, to repy to Della and others who are pointing out that Meghan's new "friends" are using her to grab publicity for themselsves, that Meghan cares."

R38

R7 - It has already been reported that the Sussexes are giving up their rental in Great Tew, as they cannot "afford" to keep up both Frogmore Cottage and the Cotsolds rental - nor does it make sense. Nor have they been given a London base - hence the rush to get out in front of the story by reports that H&M were "anxious" to give their children "normal" lives "out of the fishbowl of Kensington Palace". They will probably have access to apartments or a couple of rooms in St. James Palace to stay in when doing evening events that go late, like other minor royals, but they aren't getting their own grand base as the Cambridges did. In fact, I have read that the other large apartment in KP that everyone thought the Sussexes would get, is being given to the Cambridges for offices and "reception rooms" when the Gloucesters exit.

The refit at Frogmore Cottage will be quite grand enough - they are allegedly getting a 10-BR place out of it, with state of the art basics, and I doubt the Soho Farmhouse interior designer came cheap, and the materials will all be of the highest quality. Whatever it is, it's more than Meghan Markle could ever have expected whilst a Deal or No Deal Suitcase Girl. Not that that will stop her from looking sourly at what the Duchess of Cambridge has gotten.

R10, yes I have not flown private, but recently chatted with someone who does, and yes - having someone else deal with customs is part of the luxury.

There's a story on DM that Princess Beatrice engaged in a twitter exchange with the odious Chrissy Teigen of all people. Ugh! No, Bea. No, no, and MORE NO!

LOVE HM but not much of a royalist, cried watching Harry and William walk behind their mom’s caisson while still well aware of her instability and narcissistic tendencies, was in awe of Amal’s work history but now feel embarrassed for her and for myself, and was an early supporter of Meghan before wool was lifted from my eyes months ago.

And all of this? Im glad to know I’m not alone in feeling revulsion and horror over this display. Tawdry is the only word I can come up with. Tawdry, disgraceful, tacky but there is something deeper, almost sinister in the lack of self-awareness shown by almost everyone, even Serena. It almost makes my stomach hurt.

I'd be pissed if I had to give up my rental in Great Tew. That place is amazing.

You know, for many of us it's not that we "hate" - it's that we love the rich long history of the monarchy, and worry that the institution is being eroded. Yes it survived a lot, but I worry about our social media era. There seems to be a push to do away with old rules and traditions overall, and through social media the idea gains currency. This is where Meghan is doing damage, IMO. The Queen is revered, but what happens after her?

"Not that that will stop her from looking sourly at what the Duchess of Cambridge has gotten." Exactamundo. It's all relative, even at that level. Poor Kate. On one hand, she only needs to stay out of and above this. On the other, imagine always having to deal, one way or another, with this little pest and her shenanigans.

"I think that the Queen was happy to know that William and Kate had the early years of their marriage together so far out of the spotlight and that they seem to have built their own strong family unit, both as a couple but with their children as well."

It's essential. William is going to be king. A solid family life will be the best possible source of strength for him.

Even her husband is not off limits to the DoS . She would love laying her hands on that and all the money it brings forth .so i can feel Kate in that . And all the negatieve press that megacunt lays on her .

"I wonder how things such as this shower go on between people who really don't know each other. Do they air kiss and pretend to be friends? Or, retreat to their corners and play on their phones?"

Imagine the champagne-fueled SOUNDS at this gathering. High pitched squeals, cries of "OOOOOOOH MY GOOOOODDD ADORABLE" at every baby thing, probably some "WOOOOOOOs." Basically a Real Housewives girl trip. And yes, lots of looking for pix of themselves on phones.

Aren’t baby showers just an American thing? I thought I read that they aren’t something Brits would do.

R49, yes. It's been mentioned over 50 times on this thread, Part 22, and the baby shower thread.

And just to bring you up to date, R49, Megtoinette is still an asshole.

THAT baby shower was the most American thing ever! All the worst stereotypes of vulgarity and excess rolled into one.

R48 Oh, and nonstop shrieks of "You look amAAAAAAzing!"

Isn't Soho Farmhouse on the Great Tew Estates?

Meghan liies her ass off, as does Harry. They can say, "We took THIS place." without having ever done it.

In my country there is not a babyshower . You visit the baby at the hospital and give a present as family . You recieve sugar Candy or MMs or you give some money to buy diapers . But i do found that those hipsters and fashion bloggers or rich kids do them these days but not ordinary people .

This shower seems uniquely Meghan in not being very baby-ish. I mean - luggage?

I would love to be a fly on the wall of that baby shower . Apparently they made flower bouquets and donated them afterwards to charity . As If poor or starving people want flowers . The champaigne had been flowing I guess because she doesn’t have to do If she s pregnant with her “ friends “ oh and delicate little things to taste . Most of the time boring I guess .

R49 here - I apologize for my ignorance - I just jumped on board and didn’t read this entire post or the others. You are certainly are quite deeply emotionally invested into this woman who really has no bearing at all in your life. SMH

R54 No. it’s close the village of Great Tew which is close to the Great Tew Estate. The estate takes it’s name from the village.

The issue for me is not that she had a baby shower...yeah, they’re a bit tacky in the UK but it’s recognised that it’s a “thing” for lots of Americans, just not part of our culture...or that her rich friends spent a fortune on her. That’s fine too...I’d be delighed to be spoiled like that.

It’s that she wanted everyone to know about it. She wanted it to be an event beamed around the world with flashbulbs popping, private jets and excitement on morning shows.

That is ostenatious in the extreme and shows what a fucking liar she is when she tries to pretend she “can’t stand all the attention”.

Jeez. All those typos. Sorry.

Harry and Meghan are going to bring out the worst in each other. She’s a thirsty narcissist and he’s a dumb, entitled rageaholic...we ain’t seen nothing yet.

That crowd has got to fucking get it out of their heads that leftover cake and stale flowers are charity shit. Not to mention inspirational bananas. My GOD, the pretension, the condescension. They're styling their charity bequests. It's revolting.

R61, Harry stans on tumblr think there's no baby under there and she'll be busted and kicked out. Harry stans are very slow to coming round to the truth as you've just stated it - he's a dumb, entitled rageaholic (and, I'll add, probably bi or gay). I think she got pregnant via IVF and then of course ordered moonbumps in various sizes so she could model and style her pregnancy. It is a bit curious that her ankles and feet aren't swollen considering the massive size of the pregnancy she on occasion sports, but she has next to no flesh on her legs, and that could account for it. I think the due date is vague because she IS padding.. She's one of the only women I've ever seen who will have been parading around looking 8 months pregnant for about 4 months. Anyway, that whole crowd who thinks the end for Meghan is nigh are delusional. She'll be there, inappropriately dressed, at the funerals for both Prince Phillip and Her Maj. There will be a sprog, and Harry stans on tumblr will melt down, and then they'll move the goal posts.

I think Harry LOVES all this. You know the term virtue signalling? I think he at times "misery signals" to play to his fans, but he loves this. I don't think he's absorbed yet that Meghan's buddies in the media are starting to write "Duchess of Sussex and her husband." instead of "Prince Harry and his wife, Meghan Markle." No matter how much some people want her gone, she's not going anywhere. She's trying desperately to level up to where the A-list is, but she doesn't have A-list money and she has no way of getting it, so she's just spinning. Her celebrity is artificial, as her "A-list" fans will figure out. She's no Diana, and she's no Kate. Most people know she's just a basic grifter who lucked into marrying an idiot. There's no princess aura. And Charles is certainly not going to fund her into the A-list. She'll be lucky to get Fergie money. Fergie had two kids and it didn't get her a solid pay day.

R63...See, I almost, almost agree with you. (Definitely agree about the gay/bi stuff, btw). But I have never seen Markle as a gold digger as such. I think she certainly wants as much money as she can get...but her real need is attention.

As a royal she has to be content with being seen and not heard...and it’s already clear that she’s struggling with that.

If she left Harry next year, she could write her own ticket in the US. She could almost certainly score that travel/cooking show she wanted, she could re-open The Tig and maybe get a few novelty acting parts.

Away from the royal family she could have MORE money and MORE attention....plus the opportunity to be heard, because she thinks she has so many amazing things to say.

People keep comparing her to Fergie but that’s a mistake. Fergie was a boring frump away from the BRF...Markle isn’t.

So..yes, you may be right and she’ll hang on for dear life, but I think she’s far, far too narcissistic to play humble and quiet the way the Brits and the BRF expect her to be.

Disagree R64. She could NOT write her own ticket. She's not that big. She's a flash in the pan who would be forgotten faster than Fergie. If someone gave her a cooking show it would sink in weeks because she's not a freaking cook. She's a poseur from front to back.

She wants attention at the highest level, which means she needs money. Her A list crowd won't be there once they realize supporting her doesn't burnish their celebrity or their pseudo-progressive credentials, but in fact makes them a mockery. She also needs money because she's a control freak. She's not going to leave the BRF until she has a platform that includes millions, but she's not going to get those millions. The point is, though, she's trying to become A list, but she's simply not. She's a side show to the A list. She's like a toy or a novelty, not an A-list herself. Her issue is she's trying to express herself into the A-list without even bothering to acquire the credentials that put most people there. Marrying Harry isn't enough. She has to behave and be convincing as a royal, fulfill those fantasies of her sugars. She has yet to fulfill one of them. Even the wedding was half assed. She's really in the position of "Friends with Money". There's a lot of access and privileges that accompany that, but it doesn't give her her own home or homes, her own ability to travel on her own dime, or acquiring her own high level financial security for the rest of her life. She's simply "adjacent" while she wants to be the thing itself. That's what she's working towards, but she's just spinning. In the end she's going to try to hold up the BRF for the $$ cause this magical thinking that being around the A list will give her what they've got isn't going to work. And the BRF won't give it to her.

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P.S. The American media aids and abets the $$ misconceptions about the British royals, giving people the impression the BRF is a money fountain, unlimited everything. Nobody who married into the BRF walked away rich VIA getting $$ from the BRF EXCEPT Diana, and that was all down to her husband being rich. Anne's first ex-husband had to make do with what he could get from Anne (a minor settlement). HRM didn't write him any checks. Of course Mark Phlilips is well-established in the elite Equestrian world, has a career there, and some family money as well. We all know what Fergie scored - very little. And going back generations, once the Duke of Windsor abdicated, the Duchy of Cornwall and its income went to his brother, while everybody hustled to see how the Duke would be supported. The king tried to get parliment to do it, but they took a hard pass. So the King ended up arranging an annuity of 25k annually, pounds sterling, and most likely David and Wallis made off with jewelry and other chattel he'd gotten his hands on, plus the 90k he'd squirreled away from Duchy income (he told his brother he had only 20somthingk but it turns out he'd lied). And then they basically lived grace and favor in France, while grifting off the largesse of their celebrity circle and flirtations with dictators. And that stint in the Bahamas. Before the duke died he was worried the duchess would be destitute, and so was she.

Nobody's going to starve, but the manner in which the BRF provides is pretty old fashioned, kind of like a Jane Austen novel. A roof over one's head, but not enough $$ for true independence or to live and travel as one wants (without grifting off friends).

R65 “She’s not that big”. Except she is. It’s a bit absurd to try and pretend she isn’t. She doesn’t deserve the fame she’s got...but she has it now.

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“She’s not A List...she’s just adjacent”. Hmm. That’s why they are making movies about her, writing books, sticking her on all the magazine covers, filling online news sources up with her every single day.

If Markle isn’t A list now, I don’t know who the fuck is.

Chrissy Tiegan is starting to look like that Wilderstein woman (or however you spell it).

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She's not. She's a circus and a side show. And she's constantly trashing the one thing that made her potentially A-list - the BRF. The one thing that spurs people's interest, she can barely muster interest in herself. Of course while she's married to Harry people will watch this play out. NOBODY IS COVERING HER IN HER OWN RIGHT. It's her circumstances and her behavior that compel.

You really think once she's divorced and back stateside as Harry's ex she's going to be A list?

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Ugh, the thought of Chrissy Teigen getting attention from any kind of royalty. What is it with these cheap celebrities worming their way into these circles? I wish Beatrice hadn't done that.

Cutting and pasting from tumblr because IMO it makes good points:

"But that’s what makes her so fascinating. This is EPIC social climbing. She was a crap cable supporting cast member two years ago and now she’s hanging out with Amal and getting “Love Shields” from Beyonce. And she did it all by slowly sucking up to the royal hanger-ons, getting her claws on the clueless spare and then manipulating everyone for all she’s got. It’s amazing.

I drag Meghan all the time in this blog, but in a way she’s an absolute genius. It’s not just that she landed Harry. It’s that she used him as a stepping stone to get to the Hollyweird A-list. NO ONE thought the brf was a good way to get Hollyweird recognition. No one except Megs, that is.

Sure, she got turned down by a whole bunch of A-listers, but all she needed was one thirsty, royalist one…and she got that with VB. Then she sucked up to Stella and the Givenchy woman, who gave her the rest of the celebs. Then she found Amal. And she did it all by monetizing the brf and merching like crazy. I drag the merching a lot, but even I have to admit it’s not just about the money. It’s also about “supporting friends” who have clothing lines, like Stella, Serena and VB and then exploiting them. I used to laugh at her crap “Markle Effect” press, but it was really effective. She went from crap yoga mat merching to Givenchy merching and it worked wonderfully. "

Meghan is quid pro quo-ing all over the place because technically, she is royal. When she's divorced from Hazza, will her ability to monetize remain? No. She's not that big ON HER OWN. She's not an interesting personality. When she no longer has an impact on the royals - Kate, Will, the kids, HM, etc. out of her life - will the genuine A - listers consider reciprocal support from Meghan (excuse me "Duchess Meghan" as she dearly hopes she will remain for life, divorce or no divorce) as much a value add as they do now? Once she's lost her "royal" platform?

IMO yes it is epic social climbing of a sort, but it all still comes down to Harry. Once the media has milked the very thirsty Meghan dry (and yes, that's kind of a backflip of a metaphor), they will turn to Harry. THAT is the real story.

R63 "I think Harry LOVES all this. You know the term virtue signalling? I think he at times "misery signals" to play to his fans, but he loves this. I don't think he's absorbed yet that Meghan's buddies in the media are starting to write "Duchess of Sussex and her husband."

I agree with this. Harry is acting out, and he's a sulker by nature, it seems to me. William may be temperamental but he got down to earth and "got on with it" when he decided to marry Kate, who wisely focussed more on him and their family whilst ignoring the "Lazy Kate" jeers. She's done exactly what he wanted and it's not feasible that they didn't have the Queen's approval.

Meghan is working on what works best for Meghan, and Harry is being quickly left behind. What he wants will be of absolutely no importance.

That’s hilarious.

AHPF posting her own Tumblr posts on here as back up.

Do you really think people are that stupid?

“NOBODY IS COVERING HER IN HER OWN RIGHT”. Not sure why you’re shouting, dear...but this makes no sense at all.

They are covering her “humanitarian”past (such as it is), her childhood, her previous relationships, her work history, her clothes, skincare, diet, make up, hair...what else is there?

I know you don’t like being disagreed with...your arrogant proclaimatons on Tumblr (which were frequently wrong by the way) proved that...but I disagree with you. She’s A list now. Once she dumps Harry, she’ll still be A list, yes.

I sincerely don’t know how anyone could think differently at this stage. The bitch is everywhere.

“She’s not an interesting personality”.

Unfortunately she is to a lot of people. She is to the IG/FB generation who lap up her twee, inspirational quotes and pass out over her shoes choices.

For fuck’s sake...if that Mulrooney woman can get a spot on a TV show as a “stylist” (ha!) you seriously don’t think Markle can get a travel show?

So many of Will's mood faces look exactly like Diana's (side eye, small smirk looking half smile, etc.) that sometimes I think it's just his face. But considering his parents, he probably is tempermental.

Diana was going to always have celebrity, but even she was struggling despite having numerous advantages over Meghan, not least of which being we'd known her since she was 19, she was the mother of the future king, she'd had an EPIC royal wedding, she dressed wonderfully and dramatically, and she was an aristocrat. Her dad was an earl. There was a family pile. The Spencers had mixed with the BRF since Diana was a child, and before. Another advantage is she did the charity thing much MUCH better than Meghan. They're not in the same universe. Imagine her writing on bananas. Deciding to distribute leftover cake to kids outside the venue. And all that obscenity. Never ever. Her charity efforts

Despite her being the #1 tabloid celebrity in the world, much of this she stoked herself. She wasn't predictable. She was theatrical.

Over exposure is NOT A-List. She should have tried a combo Jackie O and Diana strategy. Do high profile au courrant social initiatives Whilst remaining very very Private about her private life for at least 2 years to build up the intensity for the public need to penetrate the veil of mystery. She is doing the exact opposite!

They are covering her because she is married to Harry. Fergie got 24-7 coverage at one time - she was in the BRF, she was boisterous, she was a circus and fun. Look at her now. Is she A list? And she's way more "in" with the BRF than Meghan will be.

When she is not married to Harry, she will not be A-list, and she will not earn A-list money. That's how she's trying to currently leverage herself but it won't happen. DEAR.

Teen Moms used to be 24-7 on every gossip rag and tabloid in the supermarket. They're right up there on the A list with Meghan. So are various WAGs and other reality stars. A list all the way baby.

[quote]I saw all I needed to know about her watching her prance - and prance is the word - into the Sussex wedding, unable to look at anyone who spoke to her as her eyes were sliding to and fro looking for the cameras.

Yes! I noticed this, too. I kept wondering why she wasn't looking at the person she or George was speaking with. At one point, she dropped her camera consciousness when a woman walked by in the foreground of the shot. Amal looked at the woman from head to toe and back up again. I don't know it was catty or just too looky loo, but it was so obvious.

I think she will still be A-list after she divorces Harry. That's why she's building her network now. People will want their kids to play with the monarch's (Charles') grandchild, and later the monarch's (William's) niece/nephew; they will want their kids photographed with Diana's grandkid. They will be nice to Meghan so that their kids can have that connection. Think about it: Clooney is sucking up to an uneducated, unemployed, man child half his age who isn't even in the movie business just because he's the grandson of the queen.

Fergie didn't try to build a network like that when she has at the top of her fame. But Bea, as the monarch's granddaughter constantly goes on trips, yachting with Oprah, brunching with Ashton and Mila, partying with famous models and actresses. Meghan will eventually cling on to her kid like Fergie clings to her own kids; they're now Fergie's ticket onto the guest list at public events.

Exactly. It’s all about the kid and the kid’s connection to the Monarch.

What would one do at a shower without the gift opening reveals?? That's the climax of the shower!! The squeals, the oohing and aahing! I guess, just drink, nosh, take pics and play those goofy shower games. And honestly , the gift givers lose out on that part of the giving--people laughing and commenting on the choice of gift. To say, "Well, we'll open 'em at home" . Surprise! It's just rude! But, I guess these people live for the photo op, the next shot, and don't care... And, quid pro quo all the way. None of them are friends.

CDAN: “Apparently even her husband had no idea this alliterate former actress turned A+ list celebrity was going to use a private jet for her recent trip“

Oh, pleeeeeeease let this be true.

A celeb is only as good as their fans. And Markle’s fans are cretins. They are not going to lose interest once she dumps Harry...they think he’s lucky to have her, not the other way around.

I read somewhere that the royals don’t even fly first class when they travel...they fly premium economy so they don’t look elitist.

I really can’t imagine (if that’s true) how the private jet is going down behind palace walls.

R95 A BA Cabin Crew once told me that the BRF pay for an Economy ticket but are “upgraded” automatically to First. That was a few years ago so maybe they pay for Business now but the upgrade is always the same. Either way, you will never see a Royal in Economy no matter how down with the people they want to be.

Jesus Christ. She's using sick children for PR now. FFS, man. Couldn't they have been donated anonymously and why is Ronald McDonald house allowing pictures. I know they're now a health care provider per se and HIPAA privacy doesn't apply to them, but...

R95 Interesting. Except you do see them in premium economy...Harry’s been spotted there a few times.

And now they gonna move from KP to Frogmore and also their PR firm is gonna with Anne and the others . I just want to see her face when she will be working beside Anne who will not tolerate her attitude . Haha . So now the Morrocan tour . I still think all that media circus in New York was a way to avert the eyes from her husband . I cant believe he just sat there waiting for her . There is something going on in that household that cant see the daylight .

Since when did Ronald McDonald House become a health care provider? The charity was set up to support the families of sick patients who are from out of town so that they could remain bedside without having to worry about lodging and food. For example, there are Ronald McDonald House lodgings on Ramstein Air Base, Germany, for family members who fly in to visit wounded warriors recuperating in Landstuhl. These sick children are not faces of the charity. If you are going with children's faces then it would be of the sick kids' brothers and sisters visiting who would be pictured. This is just all kinds of incongruity and a completely mislead as if the flowers were delivered to some pediatric oncology unit. Shady fucking liars the bunch of them. Everything associated with that Sussex bitch is a bold faced lie.

I'm sorry. That was a typo. It should have read "not a health care provider. But thanks for the pedantry anyway.

The offense I take is toward the bait and switch performed on behalf of MEghan's PR. Were I a better writer I would have better conveyed my disgust toward that end rather than over a typo--which I now clearly see is a typo. Had I realized it initially I wouldn't have said anything as I have inadvertently contributed my fare share, but when I asked my question it really was an honest query.

My intent wasn't to tread needlessly pedantic.

R92, it IS rude to not open baby shower gifts at the shower. That’s half the “fun”. Saving it for Harry, as if he gives a shit about onesies and rattles. (As if Meghan does, either, for that matter.)

[quote]“She’s not that big”. Except she is. It’s a bit absurd to try and pretend she isn’t. She doesn’t deserve the fame she’s got...but she has it now.

She only has 'it' now because of her marriage to Harry. Once that ends, she falls right off. I disagree that she has permanent A list status from all this. Interest in her will evaporate quickly once she's no longer an HRH, full Duchess (in the true royal sense) or in the BRF. There's no platform for her once she's out, and she's not classy nor humble enough to work hard to gain her own credentials. She'll be stuck on the B list at best, if she's lucky or hooks up quickly with a new wealthy partner. Harry will likely re-marry and all attention will hang on his new wife.

Anyone heard from Heather Mills lately? Yeah that's right.

The Queen has given Meghan a special gift but is so not allowed to try it until after the baby arrives.

Princess Anne was in Glasgow this week. Is she finally giving up with the too dark hair dye? She's letting her gray hair show.

The Duchess of Gloucester attended a Basketmakers Trade Fair. She and her husband (the Queen's cousin) still quietly do royal engagements.

Charles with students at an awards ceremony. Oh do something with those teeth, man.

Don’t be ridiculous, R104...Heather Mills was never, ever as big as Meghan is now.

Heather arguably scored bigger royalty.

Yeah, money. So what? She was never a superstar. Ever on the cover of VF? Harpers Bazaar? Who made a film about her?

Reaching much?

Anyway, this is all academic. Point is, Markle already thinks she’s bigger than the RF, which is why she’s taking no advice and behaving however the hell she pleases.

Do you really think the thought...”I am nobody without Harry & HM” would ever, ever cross her mind? She’ll be off certain in the knowledge that she can write her own ticket in the US. If you’re right, and she can’t...that would be magical to watch & I would love every single second.

Imagine is she was reduced to eating kangaroo testicles on I’m A Celeb......ha!

At least Meghan has both legs. That’s probably the biggest compliment she’s ever gotten.

I just realized what bugs me about Anne's hair. R106 mentions the too dark hair dye. On top of that, it looks like a dye job you see on men. Hair color almost always looks weird and unnatural on men. (I know it's not just me. I've seen it mentioned elsewhere on DL.) It looks doubly odd on a woman.

One more comment about Amal here agreeing that the illustrious career is a myth. She was a corporate NYC attorney defending Exxon.

Diana KNEW how to treat people. It was instinctual for her. It's the simple gestures that made her a lot more authentic than Meghan could ever be.

The knives are out for Meghan - again!

Happy Birthday to the Duchess of Kent.

WTF? Meghan is in a muddle.

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If I missed it on an earlier thread, I apologize.

But has Priyanka Chopra been discussed? Interesting that she wrote that essay praising MM but then HazBean didn’t attend her wedding and then she also posted a selfie with a tagged location NOT in NYC during the shower. Does Bean ditch even celebrity friends?!

(Although I will acknowledge that there was a college friend at the shower so my mistake in thinking she really didn’t have any long term friends at all. Still find it crazy to have a bridesmaid take the ex-groom’s side though)

The threshold for celebrity has been lowered in recent decades. All Meghan had to do was to marry into RF and have a child with Harry, that's enough to establish her for her next level of fame as public persona/ celebrity after she splits from Harry. You think the Kardashians are interesting or have have many A-list friends? No, they're famous for appealing to lowest common denominator and they're laughing all the way to the bank as lifestyle influencers. Meghan knows this and that's why she just doesn't give a fuck about what the Queen or other members of BRF think about her tacky ways.

Off-topic but since she was brought up, I have a soft spot for Heather Mills. Such a terrible thing that happened to her with that accident, and she plowed on and landed a Beatle. I won’t be marrying her, however.

James Middleton is a skinny cokehead. There’s nothing hot about him, unless it’s summer.

A truly lovely genuine woman r117

I still think Meghan is planning to find her own Aristotle Onassis, as her next act. Normally, a 40-something woman with a kid wouldn’t be appealing, but if that kid is somewhat royal...

Not sure how much access she has, to billionaires, but I reckon she’ll find it. She’s certainly closer than she was two years ago.

Wow, you all know exactly what Meghan is thinking and how her mind works...I stand here in envy of your supernatural ESP.

William has flown coach, too.

R127 - Posters on gossip sites never really know the people under discussion.

Style of thing.

I think it's absurd to deny that Meghan is now an A-Lister, but there are A-Listers and A-Listers: she's "adjacent" because she's only A-List because of whom she married. That goes for Amal Clooney, as well. It just so happens that Amal's steppingstone - cough, I mean, husband - is much richer that Meghan's, and as an A-List movie star outclassed a sixth in line to the British throne. So, whilst having obtained a foothold on the many-runged ladder of global fame, Meghan to some degree is still clawing her way up.

Meghan is to a certain extent hamstrung by the fact that her steppingstone comes with little millstones around the neck: protocol, the Queen's disapproval, the rich father-in-law's obligations to his Mum and the institution to which he owes his status and wealth, and the necessity of currying favour with the father in law holding the pursestrings, the sniffy courtiers, the control of the institution over where one lives and how much it costs and what patronages one may hold . . .

So it's not beyond the reach of imagination that Meghan looks at Amal, who can wear whatever the fuck she wants, travel however the fuck she wants, live in a house as big as the Ritz, and whose husband can buy and sell Prince Harry 100 times over, and thinks to herself, "hmmmmm . . ."

Is it too early to predict who her next husband will be? I say it will be Janet Jackson's ex, Wissam Al Mana. He's only seven years older than Meghan, isn't bad looking, has only one child, and his family is filthy rich investing in some of her favorite pastimes, luxury goods of all sorts. He's probably gay (how many obscenely wealthy Muslim men from the Middle East make it to the age of 44 with only one marriage and one child?) and might be thrilled to have a child who is related to the queen and future kings. He seems like a collector, otherwise why the faded, overweight pop diva? She can be London-based and make a few appearances in Qatar wearing modest clothing and an attractive head scarf. It would kind of make sense for the type of self-proclaimed feminist like Meghan to wind up with a man like this.

[quote]Across the GCC, their retail holdings include Saks Fifth Avenue, Harvey Nichols, Hermès, Giorgio Armani, Dolce & Gabbana, Balenciaga, Alexander McQueen, Stella McCartney, Chloé, Giuseppe Zanotti, Agent Provocateur, Emporio Armani, Dior Homme, British Home Stores, Go Sport, with whom they have helped develop the sports outlet's biggest retail space in the world, Zara, Mango, Diesel, Sunglass Hut, Reebok, Crocs, Damas and Sephora.

I never knew there were rumours that Prince Harry is gay or bi.

R111 - "Anyway, this is all academic. Point is, Markle already thinks she’s bigger than the RF, which is why she’s taking no advice and behaving however the hell she pleases."

Which is exactly, but exactly, what Harry's mother thought - and she was married to the next Sovereign.

My amazement at watching history repeat itself in Diana's son is never-ending. One can only wonder what Charles is thinking as he watches this rerun.

There aren't, R132. Only on DL. Even though he's been known to be a womanizer since as young as 14.

[quote]EXCLUSIVE: GMA staff rebel over Meghan Markle's BFF Jessica Mulroney BANNING them from asking her about Duchess on air or getting a heads up about baby shower – saying she only got her job because of their friendship and not her style savvy

[quote]Mulroney, 39, was brought on as a fashion contributor for the morning show in October, shortly after she joined Meghan and her husband Prince Harry on a royal tour of Australia, New Zealand and Fiji.

[quote]The hope was for Mulroney to help the network gain access to Meghan. But bosses were left completely stunned when Meghan turned up in New York City this week for her baby shower - and Mulroney didn't breathe a word about it, sources told DailyMail.com.

[quote]Now executives at ABC News and producers at GMA are clamoring for the Canadian stylist to be fired, saying she brings nothing to the table and only has the job because of her friendship with Meghan.

I won't bother linking because it's the DM, but it's directly below the headline story on both the US and UK sites.

R130 I don’t really understand the “A list adjacent” stuff. Of course she’s become famous because of who she married...but so did Diana, so did Jackie Kennedy, so did Michelle Obama.

Now, before you all shriek at me...I totally understand that (especially in Michelle’s case) there’s considerably more to those women than simply the men they married...but that, unfortunately, is why they became famous.

Meghan now has worldwide fame, and that’s not going to disappear when they divorce. Is she a woman of substance who’ll go on to do amazing things? Of course not...she’s a shallow, vain, greedy tart who’ll continue to open her legs for money and status, but the brainless morons on Twitter, nobly headed up by that creepy Scabies man, won’t see that. They’ll continue their sychophantic grovelling and paint her as the most inspiring single mother in the visible universe.

It’s Harry, I’m afraid, who’ll start boring everyone after the divorce, not Meghan.

R133 I bet Charles feels wretched, actually. He knows what’s coming for Harry...they probably all do.

You left off the best line of the article, R135: "A producer on GMA said: 'Jessica should consider herself lucky to have such a high profile job on GMA. She does not have it because she is talented, she has it because of her connection to Meghan'"

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I have never heard one single rumour about Harry being gay or bi.

But he still rings my bell, sometimes quite loudly. I also found that nipple pinching incident extremely odd.

But, I am happy to accept that my “instincts” on this are almost certainly wrong.

R137 That has absolutely made my day. Can’t stand that tight faced, smug cow.

R136 - "It’s Harry, I’m afraid, who’ll start boring everyone after the divorce, not Meghan." You know, I hadn't thought of it from that angle, but you're likely too right. Charles suffered from public anger over the adored Diana's fate and his adultery, but also because of his place in the line of succession. No one gives two fucks what happens to Meghan, and Harry will suffer worse than public ire: he'll suffer public amusement and then boredom.

[R133] "I bet Charles feels wretched, actually. He knows what’s coming for Harry...they probably all do."

My guess, as well. It's just dimwitted Harry who didn't know.

Isn't it usually the person in a relationship with a toxic significant other the last to notice their partner's issues and shortcomings? Friends, family, even the pets notice first.

Speaking of pets, do we believe the story Dimwit told about how Grandmama's corgis always barked at him but upon meeting Bean the corgis were immediately smitten? What type of personality (and discernment skills) are corgis known for?

Imagine being Will, watching this spectacle. I’d be so pissed at this upstart in my family acting this way.

R143 - Corgis are mostly known for snappish tempers. There is a story about how one of the Queen's lackey's took one of her corgis to the vet for something or other. The footman or whatever he was, somewhat apologetically told the vet to be careful how he handled this particular one, as he was known to snap. The vet said patronisingly, "I need not remind you, sir, that I have some small experience with dogs," and the next moment the dog (whose name I forget, but it was something cute), had the vet's hand between his teeth.

So there you are.

*lackeys (not lackey's)

R145

Thanks r145

I may not know Will as some ninnies on here feel so inclined to point out, but I have little doubt the Duke of Cambridge's ability to hold a significant grudge. That scarf incident at Christmas before the cameras made it patently clear he absolutely cannot stand Bean.

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Corgi's are very, very yappy dogs if they're not properly trained. A corgi lives two houses away from me. It would always bark at me from its fenced-in yard regardless of how many times I walked by. Of course, the dog knew me, but it wasn't until I met the neighbor and chatted with her that it stopped, never ever to bark at me again. The queen's presence, as well as the presence of a tin of dog biscuits, helped.

I agree it had more to do with the Queen's presence and dog treats rather than MEghan's mesmerizing personality.

I do believe many member of the BRF will adopt the fidgeting with scarves when forced to be around the Duchess of Frogmore, this maneuver will become known as "Williaming" her I predict, lol.

I love when MeMe's crap PR asserts they've done a good job and that their client is loved by all. Oh! My sides!

R142 - "Isn't it usually the person in a relationship with a toxic significant other the last to notice their partner's issues and shortcomings?"

My own view is that persons beginning a relationship with a toxic other recognise instantly the possibilities the toxic other present to fulfill [x y z] emotional drama, because I fully believe the clues are always there. But the person courting the toxic other is in conscious denial of it - this way, the s/he gets to have his/her cake and eat it too: s/he lets loose the toxic other on the landscape whatever it is, and then play the victim of the toxic other after enough of the proverbial hits the fan, and s/he is forced to admit s/he had been woefully taken in.

In this sense, Meghan is playing a dangerous game - if and when Harry gets his fill of the psycho-drama, having drained the psychodrama cup to the dregs, the family will spring into action and back him and not the Wicket Witch of LaCa.

So, Meghan Markle is already being set up as the hated victimiser of a trusting infatuated younger man.

That's why her delusions of being Diana were also so dangerous - Britain is never going to feel toward Meghan as it did to its very own aristocratic virginal quintessential charismatic English Rose.

As the old saying has it and was posted here before, revenge is a dish best served cold.

*Wicked Witch (not Wicket)

R154

Burrell has been chattering again . "There is a clear line between the being a celebrity and being a royal, and Meghan doesn’t know the difference." Or maybe she just doesn't care.

R156 - Burrell is a bottom feeder [sic] but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. This case is one of those two moments. And yes, she doesn't care. I think she knows she can't win the PR game anymore and is just going to enjoy herself until the clock runs down on the BRF's and Harry's tolerance, and she departs with her money and fame.

Did anyone else see the 3rd picture in the set from R116's link?

The only people outside that hotel in NYC are photographers. Nobody else cares.

R158 - Wouldn't matter - in this era, it's the social media chatter, the media photos and the magazine covers, that matter. It's all optics - if she looks like a Star in photographs with her black sunglasses, huge expensive handbag, and the flashbulbs (metaphorically) going off, then she is one. The interest of actual people on the street don't matter a bit.

Can’t stand Burrell, but when you’re right, you’re right. And he is.

Patrick Jephson (Diana’s former press man) is saying much the same thing in the Mail, but in a more roundabout way.

Both are saying she needs to decide whether she wants to be a celeb or a royal - but what they are both failing to understand is that she did not marry to be a royal, she married to be a celeb. There is zero chance she’s going to change...zero.

Agree R158. There was a pen for the paps, and the loot was piled up at the door. And that was about it. Oh yeah, and then onslaught by the crap PR of the HUUUUUGE penthouse and rhe HUUGE private plane and rhe HUUUUGE everything. THE SHOWER WAS JUST HUGELY HUGE DO YOU HEAR ME

Someone will need to do overhead shots in future to show how much of a sham her hype is, like was done with Trump's inauguration. To see it is only a few photographers procured at the behest of a fame whore pretending a false narrative.

Oh my giddy aunts...she’s been absolutely annihilated in The Times. Most critical piece I’ve ever read about her.

R148 is sure William can't stand Meghan based on this video? Or is there some other scarf video? William may hate Meghan but that video is no smoking gun.

The obsession with opening gifts to an audience is the tackiest thing ever. It makes gift-giving a competitive sport.

I appreciate Amal's addition to the OTT baby shower. She's the only one whose outfit made my eyes twinkle. Loved it minus the shoes. The other guests were so boring. Hideous coats and bulky scarves aplenty.

R163 - Shame the TIMES has a paywall . . .

Oops. Wrong link. Sorry.

165 I know, I know...I was going to see if I could post the text, but I can’t. Countess Curiosity on Tumblr has it.

MeMe is the A listiest A lister that ever A listed. She is amaaaazingly A listed, in fact, so so much that noone compares in the entire A listy world.

She's ruined. She's just ruined.

Someone on royal gossip forum opined, and I think astutely, that Amal's fulsome - crushing! overwhelming! amazing! - generosity is to purchase a spot in the godmother lineup next spring. Amal Clooney never looked at Meghan Markle before MM married British royalty. The Clooneys have a huge estate in England. Amal Clooney is probably the famewhore guru that Meghan is learning from. Godmother to even the seventh in line, the formal photos behind the sofa with the next two Kings of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (if BREXIT hasn't pushed it finally into the arms of the Republic), perhaps even the Queen there!

Even Amal Clooney with all her wealth and status would salivate at the prospect.

Poster on rgf was, in my opinion, correct: this mind-boggling splashout for Meghan on Amal's part at least, was a you-scratch-my-back-and-I'll-scratch- yours arrangement. I'll give Serena Williams fair play and benefit of the doubt for not caring about that even if she is included . . .

but Amal Clooney?

Short of marrying William herself, Amal couldn't ask for a tastier cherry on top of her status cake.

*and-I'll-scratch-yours

William refuses any eye contact and acknowledgement whatsoever with the one person who stands mere inches away and is turned in his direction.

But then there are those for whom subtlety is a thump on the head.

Regarding The Times piece...sorry for getting your hopes up everyone. I’ve just read the original and it says none of that at all. Someone has managed to edit it.

R169 - No, not yet. It will die down, go into the Hope Chest the BRF have in some dusty room in Buck House where they store ammo to be brought out well down the road.

She's having a baby - as the glowing new mother of Lord Dumbarton or Lady Diana Mountbatten-Windsor, she'll sail on those beaming waters for awhile, take up her "official work" again, it will die down and blow over . . .

It will take awhile. Keep yer money in yer pocket.

R172 William could just as easily not have noticed Meghan. It's a leap to say he's intentionally ignoring her and can't stand her based on one interaction.

If that's what floats your boat, have at it.

The DL BRF thread is full of enough Tumblr-esque commentary without descending into red circles on zoomed in images and extensive video analysis.

William is also the one according to sources in one of the papers that told Harry that maybe he should slow down with MEga and maybe she wasn't suitable for the role. Which Harry did not take well.

[quote}Extensive video analysis

Rich language for a single sentence assertion. Emoji-speak must be you native tongue.

R176 "Anonymous tabloid source said" is good gossip fodder. William may indeed hate Meghan. I was just struck by R148's assertion that the Christmas scarf video was obvious evidence of William's hatred. It looks to me like the DM took a vague clip and spun a second angle to their Kate v Meghan feud. That is continues to have legs is amusing.

Ah damn, so much for not finding my glasses. Obvious typos, but it is what it is...

R177

Nope, I'm sticking with ruined. She showboated at the wrong time for the country.... and she's giving birth to a Princess Beatrice not a Prince William. She has branded herself a shallow, self indulgent, wasteful showoff. She's fucked.

The Times piece by Valentine Low was critical but measured. The tumblr account referenced here posted one of the comments below the piece, which excoriated Nutmeg. But it wasn't the main article itself.

A- lister is a term even more amorphous than royal. If it's based on wealth them Kim K beats ScarJo. Does one have to also add in accolades? Is Viola Davis more A-list than Michelle Williams since she has a higher net worth and an Oscar?

A-list vs C-list or Z-list for than matter seem based on the consensus of power-brokers. Mega is highly visible but she's not A-list yet. She hasn't demonstrated that she can not simply attract attention, but also hold it.

If she sustains public interest for a few more years and she remains divisive but not scandalous, I think she could move into the A-list category. If she plays by the rules and slides into the model set out by Sophie Wessex, she'll never get there. Sophie is fine, but she's not interesting. Anne is even less so.

The Telegraph has a similar low key article... restrained but cautionary... basically says she needs to dial it down but no harm done. Which I thought was a pretty charitable view.

Megs is only A-list while she's royal. The ones here who keep maintaining she'll stay A-list after a potential marital split are crazy. Cut loose from Harry and the BRF all her fame and flash disappears, and she doesn't have the background or charisma of a Diana to simply get by on her former status.

She'll re-marry quickly to a hedge fund manager or other lower end dot.com techie (think: Alexis Ohanian, not Zuck or Evan Spiegel) and take on a socialite kind of role in either London or NY - she'll have to stay close to the UK due to the child/ren for several years. She'll be made to sign a strict NDA as part of her divorce and won't be able to dish or spill secrets, which takes even more capital from her. She'll be a wealthy lady who lunches, not much more.

She'll be a curiosity. Obviously she'll have no future in the UK... she's outside now but she obviously couldn't care less and her game plan doesn't involve the UK. In the states she'll probably still be on the fringe of celebrity... as a curiosity. I assume she'll marry a Hollywood producer. But she, herself I can't see as interesting or engaging. I mean think about her set loose on the world to espouse her thoughts with no filter at all? That charm would fade fast.

To the people who think she'll be A-list after her divorce, how many people do you think right now know who Lord Snowdon was? Or even now how many people under 25 really know and care who Fergie is? The fame of being married to the spare fades pretty fast. Even the spare's own popularity fades eventually look at where Margaret ended up compared to where she was.

I know it's hard to believe with the frenzy that surrounds them right now but there has been a set pattern with the spares going on for decades (if not centuries) and Harry and Meghan won't be the exception to it.

Compare the people I've mentioned to Prince Phillip or the Queen mother, or even Queen Mary.

I assume when the Times publishes an op ed such as that has the Queen apoplectic and KP, Buck House, and Clarence House staffers wringing their hands. Margaret could not be contained at her worst excesses and that was when her yearly allowance was 55K pounds sterling (over 1.1 million today)

What did the op ed pieces say back when Charles an Diana's marriage hit its nadir and before the Queen ordered them to divorce? Were they as harsh as this one?

i got banned from Celebitchy for pointing out that Kate and Will weren't working as much as other royals or what had previously been the norm because they wanted to spend time with their children and raise relatively well adjusted humans.

I wasn't able to view the Time articles mentioned above, but it's referenced in this Tumblr page (I'm not really familiar with Tumblr).

Don't compare Nutmeg to Tony Snowdon, false equivalence. Snowdon was a celebrated photog even before he met Margaret, he was talented in his own right and would have had a high-profile career in the UK even without his royal ties. And Tony -never- sold out the Queen or the BRF. Never - he never really capitalized on his ties to them during or after his 1st marriage.

that's true about snowdon. he was a dog, but a comparatively dignified dog.

R190 is correct. Even after the divorce, the BRF continued to use him as one of their official photographers. He remained well liked by his in-laws.

" I always think that whole thing with the Duchess is to keep us from looking at PH ."

Me too. But once they've done a few rinse/repeats on her, they'll go back to him. The narratives the media has been parroting - you know, once upon a time Harry was reckless and troubled, and he still has an attractive rebel type tempermental side, but essentially he loves children, animals, old people and the military - are bullshit. Show me a pic of Harry and George (other than them in the same frame. I mean engaging or making eye contact). Harry is seriously fucked up.

Of course she’ll still be A list. Lord Snowdon was British, and he was never, ever given the level of attention Markle’s getting.

Markle is American - the home of trash TV & insta stars.

If Kim Kardashian can create a career from a fucking sex tape, why on earth can’t Markle from marriage to a Prince?

Spot on R186. She’s not established and will fade with time. Especially once she frozen out by the family. She’ll discover her ‘close celeb friends ‘ will distance themselves . She’s aiming for a Angelina Jolie/Jackie O future but may find herself living more of a Lohan existence...

For now, people want to read a fairytale story when it comes to the young royals, it will take a while for things to really turn sour for her in the media. Happy sells. There is going to be a lot of misery in the headlines over the next few years (think 2020 election, Brexit, Phil dying) and the public will want to coo over cute royal kids as a diversion. Having said that, once Charles and Wills take over they will not allow the spotlight on anyone else. I wouldn’t put it past Wills and Kate to have that fourth baby as a trump card. We’re gearing up for a really juicy time!

I love the story that Harry "went mental" when his father and his brother dared suggest he slow down. The hubris! The arrogance! Harry has done zero to earn respect for his judgment. William, who at least graduated from his schools under his own steam, took years to be sure that when he married, it would stick. He took it seriously, and William to start has always been a steadier character than Harry. Harry gets hustled by a transparent Z list grifter aging out of even yachting without a serious dime to her name and he's pissed off people would question it. Meghan is so lowest common denominator and thirsty it's entertaining, but Harry is where the story is.

Stopped reading R195 after

[quote] She’s aiming for a Angelina Jolie/Jackie O future

Including Jackie O and Angie in the same category is infra dig.

She’ll be the first American ever to be the parent of an actual member of the RF. but no one will be interested because she’s no longer married to a balding, ginger misery guts?

“She’s not established”. Oh yes she is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is profoundly deluded.

“For now people want to read a fairytale...” Not half as much as they want to read scandal. And, no, wanting to read “happy news” at a “sad time” is fiction. Doesn’t work like that.

Kate has pretty much replicated her own upbringing only with genders reversed (two boys and a girl) so I wonder if she'd have a fourth. But OTOH, why not?

Harry and Meghan haven't been able to communicate "happy". They communicate selfish and publicity hungry. When they paw each other in front of respectable officials/dignitaries on some tour or do the same in front of locals who have been practicing for weeks, it's rude and it's selfish. Diana, apart from physically being a refreshing contrast to the Windsors, had decent instincts. Sure, she had the same canny ability to keep herself in the news - mix it up. BUT, she genuinely loved kids - that was obvious. She liked the ordinary people she met - also obvious. Her instincts weren't just spot on for keeping the spotlight on herself, but they were extremely strong one on one, with fellow human beings. That latter is where Meghan absolutely sucks. That's why I doubt she'll ever transition out of tabloid celebrity and gossip. She doesn't have personal charisma.

Those dark, dark glasses are quite a touch.

For heavens sake the Kardashians are not A list, they are Z-listers who sit atop the tabloid heap and have had the distinction of making a lot of $ along the way (as opposed to other tabloid staples like Lohan). Nutmeg will be following their trail at best: tabloid and gossip blog standby, with a decent possibility of merching success. She's done ok on that end so far.

She'll end up a spokesperson for a boutique jeweler or catering firm. She'll take up a handful of charities that will see her travel overseas and mingle with wealthy donors only. Wendi Deng lite, without the multi-million $ payout and prime real estate.

R198 magazine sales would suggest otherwise. Readers want the fairytale for some people (Diana’s children) and they are happy to hate on others like Camilla (Diana’s nemesis). Once Meghan is seen as hurting Harry then the knives will come out. At the moment people want to see these two in a good light.

R186 - Have to disagree re Snowdon. He was already somebody before he married Margaret - Antony Armstrong Jones, up and coming recognised photographer, and unlike Meghan Markle, AAJ was genuinely talented. He went on being a successful photographer after the divorce, as well. Certainly, his marriage raised his profile, but he was already being recognised before it in a way Meghan Markle couldn't ever have been because her only talent is for self-promotion.

Fergie, of course, is another story.

R203 Yea my point wasn't a slight on Snowdon. I just meant that the general public forgets all aspects of the spare's life unless the spare ends up becoming the heir like George VI.

R203, Beatrice just connected with Chrissy Teigen on Twitter. Can Fergie's appearance on Lip Sync Battle be far behind? I'm looking forward to it.

Technically, George VI did not become the heir. He followed King Edward VIII, who did not die. George V became the heir, though, after the death of the previous heir to the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Clarence.

Meghan is not a Kardashian, she's a solo act.

She has trash tabloid celebrity now and she's a fucking ROYAL. It's only downhill from here.

[quote] Sure, she had the same canny ability to keep herself in the news - mix it up. BUT, she genuinely loved kids

R199 Diana clearly didn't care about her own children enough to protect them from the shit storm of that 1995 Panorama interview. She didn't have to do it and it didn't help anyone but her. She said the her children mattered most then followed that up with torching their lives. The monarchy that her firstborn will inherit was dragged through the mud. The cataloguing of her affairs sparked the enduring speculation about the paternity of her second child.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of William's and Harry's therapy sessions were spent on dealing with that cognitive dissonance.

“Amal Clooney” - why is that name comical to me?

of course meghan is going to be ultra famous the rest of her life. she is not going down lohan's path. there are 23 threads full of discussion over her. i think we can all imagine how many more would be filled with her antics if she were to be freed from the constraints of the BRF.

R210 if she is freed from the BRF I can guar-an-tee you 100% there will greatly diminished interest in her here at DL. The main drama surrounding her here is her ties to that institution/family and how it affects it/them.

If she leaves, these threads go back to talk of tiaras, Queen Mary's sticky fingers and the Princess Royal's hair dye. Megs will be discussed in the socialite and Hollywood threads.

Very true R208. And she did it all for her own hurt pride. Loved her still, but what a mess.

R210 The frauen love the constraints. The more restraints the BRF tries to add, the more Mega in her stilettos pushes against those leather straps. It's the new 50 Shades.

Most of the complaints about Mega on here can be reduced to "Stop fucking up my fairytale, cunt."

R210 Depends on who she dates/marries, how she conducts herself. And let’s not forget about the kid. He or she or they will be a character in this soap opera.

R198 she is NOT established, never mind your "profoundly" modifier in front of your deluded. She's tabloid. She hasn't done anything to establish herself. All she's done is instantly attempt to monetize something she hasn't established. That's nuts.

Actually R210, there will be many fewer posts about her. She has never been interesting in her own right and won't be. If a Real Housewife married Harry it would be the same. It's the train wreck effect in action. Once she's out of the BRF, if she does get out, no more train wreck.

Do you really think she herself is compelling outside her current context?

R208 while Diana was dysfunctional, when she was on the job as a royal and an ex-royal she connected. Meghan does not. That component is essential. Meghan doesn't have it.

R202 boy I hope you're wrong. I would love the public to turn on HARRY. Meghan is just a symptom. She's ridiculous, but Harry is not her victim. IMO he panicked when Will and Kate reproduced, and he will do anything to stay in the spotlight. He found a lowest common denominator means to do so. It's what he wanted.

I wonder how many threads Fergie would've generated if DL had been around during her marriage/post divorce toe-sucking days.

On her own, she is boring. She'll use the kid to get press, but otherwise she will fade away because people only care about her in relation to other people. It's always. "what would Kate do in this situation" or "I bet Charles is mad" or "Will can't stand her", etc. Once they're divorced, there should be no story because it will be presumed that the BRF doesn't give her a second thought. Although, as I type this, I realize she can still play the same games after she leaves. "Meghan heartbroken because Aunt Kate won't let Sohobebe play with Prince Louis", etc.

DL has been around since 1995, R219, so I'm guessing there were quite few Fergie-centric threads back in the day

You know, much as Cass Elliott did not choke on a ham sandwich, Fergie was not getting her toes sucked in the pix. She was getting her instep kissed and caressed. Whatever happened to that guy, John Bryan, anyway?

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What r180, r186 and r210 said.

R186, If a 36 years old, divorced C-List, ambitious, climbing, yet somewhat charisma-free Meghan Markle didn't make the A-List, however, by marriage, she is now ( and I agree with whoever came-up with "A-List adjacent" and ascribed it to the DoS), by powers of deduction, when she no longer is the wife of PH; the DoS, she'll go back to a position more diminished then before her marriage to PH.

And whoever is the poster who says the DoS won't have the money, post-divorce, to continue to run with the A List Trash Crowd is entirely correct.

There is only one Wendi Deng, who, only by dint of the mega-millions, if not a billion, she got in her divorce settlement, can still run with the billionaires crowd, although she is a divorced single "extra woman". Sexism is, of course, real. An "extra man", socially, is always an asset, but not a woman. Deng's dough-ray-mee overcomes that obstacle and continues her access to that crowd. Post-divorce, Markle will not have that kind of money.

Those aren't my rules, That isn't fair , but that's the way it is.

Now, before anybody's head explodes, I'm not comparing the DoS to Scarlett O'Hara by the following quote from Rhett Butler in "GWTW." I'm pointing out that what he told Scarlett also applies to her: "Scarlett, you never fail to pick the wrong things or wrong people" (Scarlett started to run with "new people). You can't distinguish the cheap from the great."

Of course, unlike the DoS, Scarlett began with position and status and lost it. With the DoS, she began with no position or status, seemingly has gained it, but can't distinguish the "cheap from the great" and will also lose it.

I'm convinced that the overbearing, insufferable name-dropping Gayle King was, for once, discreet when she was asked about the shower on "CBS This morning" because her and Oprah caught wind that the shower was a vulgar mistake.

Forgot to add, thanks r223. I enjoyed reading that and agree with it.

oh damn, oops didn't mean to include r210 in my post at r224. I emphatically do not agree with what's written there.

One more correction- meant to write at my post at r224:

r198, If a 36 years old, divorced C-List, ambitious, climbing, yet somewhat charisma-free Meghan Markle didn't make the A-List, however, by marriage, she is now ...

Meghan is Frank Drebin, and we all just have to shudder at her ineptitude. I sometimes feel a little bit ashamed for her, but then that moment passes.

I don't get the fame whoring by Serena Williams and I don't get the fame whoring by Amal Clooney. Amal Clooney is doing the kind of low rent tabloid fame whoring a reality show "star" would do, hoping to hook someone rich. But before her name was widely known, Amal whatsername married George Clooney. Done. Mission Accomplished. Why the fuck is she still out there, except maybe George, despite being very rich and as famous as he wants to be, just can't help it?

Serena Williams has actual accomplishments, to say the least. Not only is she the or one of the most accomplished tennis players in history, she made a bit of a dent in tennis fashion with all the stuff she wore. Pushed the envelope and made it acceptable. She's worth millions, right? Never has to work again? So why is SHE trolling in the gutter, trying to flog her cheap blazers or stupid body con dresses? Why not enjoy life and stop whoring herself out? She, unlike maybe Amal (and Markle) knows what it's like to be famous based on one's own achievements. Doesn't PR bullshit feel second rate compared to that?

There was more than one photo, R222.

John Bryan hasn't had much going on apart from court. He went through a very Real Housewives-style divorce from his reality-star wife and he's also been involved in legal action against News Corp.

Almost 25 years ago he was set up by News of the World's Mahzer Mahmoud (fake sheikh of Fergie and Sophie fame) but he didn't take action and the statute of limitations ran out. When Panorama did a show about it in 2014, another reporter who was involved admitted that they had secretly recorded him, at which point he finally sued News Corp for invasion of privacy, libel, and recording him without his consent. He got around the statute of limitations by claiming the Panorama episode constituted a new publication of the News of the World's original 1995 article.

He initially won, but quite a bit of it was lost on appeal and the only avenue open to him at this point is the illegal recording complaint.

In other losing news, he did this:

Maybe I’m crazy but I think she’ll keep her fame level, and likely increase it, if they divorce. US only, not worldwide. Her US fandom sees her as the princess version of Obama. The first one to cross that barrier and that’s created quite the romanticism of her. Beyoncé, Chrissy Teigen - pretty much every non-white celebrity has fangurled her as breaking the barrier for the Barbie princess in the store that never looked like them. The white US fandom has the “I’m so supportive of her shaking up that horrible, racist institution (family) and I feel good about myself for being so intersectional” thing going on.

I don’t think she’s going anywhere. She may not be A list in the way Meryl Streep is but she’s got a high level power in her own right and in this new social media world, no one fades Away.

Oh Dear Meghan is considering suing the mail on Sunday over the publication of her letter to her Dad.

Only the prezzie cunty status makes us wonder, rather than Della.

Count me as one who thinks her fame will diminish when she and Harry are no longer together.

She is not Diana. She is not Diana ish. Not at all.

She is incredibly inept and tone deaf about her behavior and the way she treats people.

Case in point is the mean girl stunt at Eugenie's wedding. Totally unnecessary. And ugly. And guaranteed to make her enemies who have not and will neither forgive nor forget.

The Tiara Gate event is another example. She is utterly clueless.

There are other similar stories that have surfaced but these 2 suffice.

I do think there is a legacy of affection for Harry as the boy walking behind his mother's coffin. A lot of how she is viewed if and when they break up will depend on how their behavior is spun by Harry's team. She could try to spin it that it's all the fault of the racist RF, but team Windsor might beat her at her own game by painting the story of her using poor Harry for her own fame and fortune. (The part of the story is already out there.)

If the "Poor Harry" scenario takes off, whatever polish Sparkle may think she will take with her when she leaves might well be very tarnished indeed.

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R232 has the potential for more entertainment than DL can stand. While Pa owns the physical letters, his buckaroo holds the copyright on the words. Under fair dealing, excerpts can be published for the purposes of (1) criticism, (2) review, or (3) reporting current events.

As the letter was published in response to the [italic]People[/italic] article — not to mention Pa and familia's history of publicly going at members of the BRF, which is the epitome of public interest — it would appear to be a clear case of #3. But then it gets complicated by how much is too much; a question to which there is no clear answer. With a five-page letter, for example, is publishing excerpts amounting to one page too many? A half page? 20 sentences? What about the content? What if five of the published sentences fall within fair dealing but five amount to nothing more than titillation? It's all very murky, without much precedent, and it could be argued forever.

If that's not enough there's also the matter of confidentiality, which I believe has the potential to become a big fat can of slithering worms. While it's true the excerpts we saw were written in an extremely intimate tone and manner (something that will no doubt be used to show the DM was in the wrong), let us not forget that one of the flying monkeys went on record claiming the letter was written for public consumption. Was that just conjecture on his part? Was he in contact with someone who stated the letter was sent in hopes of it being leaked by loose-lipped Pa as a means of gaining sympathy? The DM is going to want answers to those questions.

Someone on the DM made an interesting comment - that rather than trying further to conform to the BRF's standards, she has now given up and is being as provocative as possible to maximise her pay-out to leave. Kind of like being obnoxious to get someone to break up with you, rather than you walking out yourself. If true, it's an ingenious strategy. Unless she knew from the get-go that PH and the BRF was just a stepping stone to her real goal, A list status in the US, I can see why MM would want to bail. I think she had no clue what being in the BRF entailed, and imagined she and Harry would be free-wheeling global humanitarians, famous and beloved by all, whose non-work life would be endless luxury. But combined by the virulent media abuse and the dull reality of being the 6th in line's missus, who can blame her for feeling misled and wanting to get the hell out of Dodge.

If she can sue the Daily sun or whatever it was is to extort money for her own pocket . It means she is playing togheter with Thomas Markle to get money out of it . It was a set-up from these two . She knew her father would sell those letters ! Its all about MONEY ! Money for her and money for Thomas .

PH and the DoS have a hidden agenda .How much money they can make out of this spectacle . Be sure he is in on the secret . When you have a second home to pay for and someone else to maintain you can bet its all the money she can earn with her merching is split up between these two . Why you think he isn’t reeling her in . I’m sure If this was an earnest relationship he would have spoken to her to behave like a royal . Its all about making money from the beginning they met each other and nothing else . Follow the money they always say .

Oh yes and the media abuse really ? She puts herself out in the spotlight whenever she can and when it fits her goals . No media abuse then .

I don't see it, R240. I don't think there is any big plot between MM, PH and Tom sr. Very, very few people can take pitiless scrutiny plus a tidal wave of ridicule and contempt. And the recent pathetic PR efforts to shore up MM's rep show that she does care. If money was her sole motivation, I think she'd have carried on yachting.

Amal, Serena, Gayle. What a tacky fucking shit show. Somebody (me, I'm pretty sure), needs to march right up to that spineless, dickless TWAT of a prince and slap him repeatedly in his blank, uneducated face for introducing that ridiculous, low rent, greasy whore into my life. The nerve. The ugly fucking loser cunt.

Way, way back when she was just a blip on our radar (the good old days) I remember writing something in one of the Meagain threads to the effect of: "It's almost like she's in this relationship by herself." Only because all the p.r. was coming from her side - he wasn't uttering a peep.

Wow. How right I turned out to be: at that point she WAS in the relationship by herself.

R241 oh but she does ! Why she makes the same misstakes over and over again . Its not that she is retarded ! And yachting she is 37 and no J LO or Angie ! its because she wants to make the same mistakes . Because its her job to make the same mistakes and make everything about her .

R244 may just be onto something. Do you think it's possible (play along with me for a sec) that she's actually fucking up on purpose?? That she's not getting the message on purpose? That all the egregious mistakes she's made have been planned? I do. And I'm not talking about willful deafness and blindness and going rogue. I'm talking about there being a method behind the madness, that maybe she's meant for it all to go kaboom.

There seems to be a view that The British (English) don't approve of Foreigners marrying into The Royal Family when the reverse is true. Most Queen Consorts in British history have not been English. Even The Duke of Edinburgh was not born in The UK.

We aren't annoyed at Meagain because she is foreign, it's because she's a fucking idiot.

R237, that sounds about right, and I wouldn’t doubt it.

Back in the day there was this guy who used to board the R train in NYC. He carried a saxophone and a kitten and would launch a loud bombardment of screeching sax noise. He’d stop for a minute and yell “I am a space alien. Money makes me go away!” (Anyone else remember this turd?) And then he’d “play” some more saxophone until people gave him money.

Meghan could be doing a version of this. And she’s got the golden goose in her scuzzy womb now. They’ll have no choice.

If even a tenth of this speculation is true she is one of coldest, brutal users of all time.

The "Amal and George Clooney are angling to be Godparents" speculation is flat-out fun to read.

I'd think, however, in line before them on the celebrity GPs pick are the Beckhams.

Does anyone know the deal with the guy who was supposedly Meghan’s first husband? I’m not saying they *were* married, but it’s believable that they were dating. Joseph Goldman-Giuliano...What was she using HIM for? He’s a criminal defense attorney in the Boston area now. Maybe she thought she wanted to be a lawyer’s wife? No offense to the dude, but he looks like a FtT.

Is this him?

What makes you think that Della? I have little recall of her sucking up to the Beckhams... tons of Clooneyfest though. However I try to pay drive by levels of attention to that carpetbagger.

I wonder if Harry is now feeling vaguely disappointed or slightly disillusioned after this display and all the coverage. He's got to know. And even with the low wattage of his brain, it's got to register on some level as something that... isn't usual.

R252, there might be stirrings. He doesn’t have a good model of normal and healthy marriage. Though it seems that his brother has gotten it right. I suspect the full horror won’t dawn on him until he’s well out of it.

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Why would that idiot Theresa May give Trump a state dinner? Kissing his ass in a bid to smooth a post-Brexit trade deal?

I doubt Theresa May will be giving anyone a State Dinner, she will be out of office by the end of April.

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R255 The UK government is in a political free fall, the economy is "uncertain," high street shops are closing, there's a fire sale on British companies (I see you Dairy Crest), the car industry is imploding, and a no-deal hard border in Northern Ireland could reignite the troubles.

One wonders why Theresa May or her successor might want to court the leader of the world's largest economy? Mysteries, mysteries.

Burrell is an irrelevancy with not inconsiderable tenacity (MegAntoinette, meet the ghost of discards future.) Usually he recites flowery beatitudes to Diana but in this case I think he is on to something. William, who was old enough to understand better the many layers of the mess than Harry was (plus Harry's dim), will absolutely HATE this and find it hard to forgive her hand in it and, more damning, trust her going forward. This is his doubts confirmed.

When this is all over the unnamed sources close to the royal family are spilling, this will be one of the major plot points in her fall, like Diana's Panorama interview or Charles' tampon talk.

R218 - I agree - hence my observation above that Harry has basically set Meghan up to be the villainess of the piece if it goes south, and play her victim as he was his mother's victim. But he IS responsible for his choice, just as Diana was responsible for her total obsession with marrying Charles and becoming Princess of Wales, ignoring all the handwriting on the wall that she never had his heart.

r251, the Beckhams attended, and presumably weren't crashing, both Royal weddings. I've seen pix of them both at other Royal events. They're citizens of the UK. I don't know about, if any, Church of England connections, but perhaps, neither do the the Dook and Dookess of Sussex.

Anyway, I'll say this for the DoS. she's keeping me in suspense. I still want to see her turn this brewing, simmering debacle around.

Patrick Jephson, however, is correct. If the DoS actually wants her marriage and title to endure, she better make up her mind to it that she has to choose between duty and celebrity, or at least how to properly balance the two.

"I know thee not, old man: fall to thy prayers;

How ill white hairs become a fool and jester!"

Shakespeare's Prince Hal knew duty meant rejecting Falstaff.

The DoS Falstaff: the celebrity, A-List Show Folk Trash at that vulgar shower.

[quote]the Beckhams attended, and presumably weren't crashing, both Royal weddings. I've seen pix of them both at other Royal events.

Yes but I had the impression the great and good at Eugenie's wedding actually knew the bride. In a situation like this, Eug has the staying power. If sides are being chosen, short and long term, even subtly, MegAntoinette won't collect the most toys.

R261 - Kudos to you for bringing up the warning in the new Henry V's rejection of his former bosom rogue!

The Van Cutsem family are Roman Catholic as far as I'm aware, didn't prevent William van Cutsem being Prince George's Godfather (or Nicholas being Prince Louis's) so I don't think that religious denomination is an issue.

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Reedy1916, Reading, United Kingdom, 3 years ago

It's not just this holiday or even just George's first day of school, it's that Kate and Will want to control and manipulate every bit of media about themselves, even without the kids, even in public places, and, increasingly, even on actual "work" engagements. But really, who can blame them when the media has caught them lying about missing the Paralympics, caught Kate's rear being flashed at royal engagements , caught Will on holiday with Jecca after George was born, and caught Will hunting at Balmoral and Kate out shopping when she was supposed to be direly ill while pregnant? They can't handle that a free press helps to hold them accountable to the public they're supposed to represent so they try to manipulate it completely if not shut it down.

Dibbs27, Paris, 3 years ago

I disagree. It shows just how grand these two have come. Regardless of the cost, The Queen travelled back from Sandringham by train whilst Doolittle took the helicopter for a 90 min return trip for a 120min engagement. They are obviously above travelling with the great unwashed. Wonder if they will using it again for India as then they can bill the taxpayer. Glad it is raining and pouring for this two because now more people are realising just how lazy they are.

OpenYourEyesPeople, London, United Kingdom, 3 years ago

They've shown up looking very tan throughout the winter. This plane must be how they've been sneaking away on so many beach vacations and not getting caught.

Seven Wonders, RainTown, United Kingdom, 3 years ago

The future of the monarchy is in the hands of a pair of spoiled children and their kids.

# never forget

Oh and they have all but buried this POS.

I would think being a nazi is worse than an attention seeker but clearly I was wrong, Funny how the former worker described the middleton-goldsmiths. Grifters the lot of them.

Victoria Arbiter, who is the daughter of former Queen Elizabeth II's press secretary Dickie Arbiter, previously confirmed that baby showers were not a part of Royal tradition. Middleton is renowned for repeatedly breaking royal tradition, with a source attributing this to the Duchess' desire to be modern.

"It isn't royal tradition but Kate isn't a traditional Royal," a source explained. Prince Harry, Kate and William are the Royal Family's link to the younger generation," the source continued. "A baby shower wouldn't normally happen if you're in the Royal Family, but there is now a modern way of thinking."

Pippa, 29, is a prominent party planner in the U.K. who works specifically for the Middleton family business. She is said to be planning a relaxed and fun baby shower for Middleton, with guests set to be offered alcoholic beverages and gifted with goody bags.

Pippa is in charge of decorations. Wine and beer will be available — not that Kate will be drinking alcohol, of course There will certainly be none of the hard stuff," a source previously told OK! Magazine.

Goody bags will reportedly include scented candles and lavish gifts from Jo Malone and The White Company.

"It was her sister Pippa's idea," an alleged friend said. The mom-to-be is hoping her husband Prince William's grandmother makes an appearance.

"While it's all going to be very relaxed and fun, Kate is hoping the queen will drop by because the two are remarkably close. They bonded big time and really enjoy each other's company. Since this is going to be a first for royals, Kate would love the queen to be part of it," the friend explained.

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“... the celebrity, A-List Show Folk Trash at that vulgar shower.” Tee hee, I love this line.

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Cressida is cute. And has an extremely hunky boyfriend. Can someone tell me how to pronounce Cressida, btw?

R274, accent on first syllable.

R231 the US does not see her as a princess version of Obama. That's how she's being marketed, but they don't even see her as a princess. She was in NYC last week and not a single person in this city gave a flying fuck if they even knew about it. People usually know when the MET gala is happening (whether or not they care) or the president is in town, or other stuff going on. If you pull back on the images of her baby shower, nobody on the damn street is even turning their heads. Don't get confused with the content-hungry tabloids, entertainment media and morning shows and how many people are actually interested.

IF she had acted royal, bought into it, was her own version of Kate, things might be different. But she's showed herself to be nothing more than a Kardashian wannabe or any other thirsty reality type star. She acts cheap so people see her as cheap. She hasn't availed herself of the mystique. She hasn't acted like a princess, she's acted like an In Touch sidebar.

R273 Cressida wasn't a choice for Harry. She bailed after the requisite two years. In hindsight it was obvious she dated him to raise her profile for acting and theatre. A baby aristocrat usually will have some type of inside track, but name recognition doesn't hurt. If she hadn't dated Harry she'd have flogged the Branson connection. It couldn't have been clearer even when they were dating that she just wasn't that into him. Why would she want Harry when she has family money, a beautifully trashy mom, and already has royal friendships (the Yorkies). She wouldn't be featured in full page PSA campaigns and things if not for Harry. It's also clear she loves her little show biz world of dancing and acting.

Camilla was unique - or maybe Charles is unique. Dispute his looks, Diana remained in love with him til she died. Diana! Lady Tonga or whoever it was also loved him. Sure, mixed in with it was - OMG, Prince of Wales! but she was still into it. Sure he dated several who weren't all that crazy about him, but there were a few who were really into it. Camilla was also in love with her husband Andrew Parker-Bowles who cheated on her relentlessly and despite the myths about it being normal for aristos it hurt her badly, so it set her up to reconnect with Charles even more intensely.

Even Prince William doesn't seem to have women who loved and lost. It's more - we had a relationship, it ended, and we moved on. That seems to be because he fished in his own pond where the women already had money and sufficient royal access, and were savvy enough not to be thirsty for princess-hood. They know what that really is.

R259 it's a dead certainty William never trusted Meghan, even less so after she married his brother, and after this uber trashtastic year the baby shower was just what everyone had come to expect.

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Who would even marry Harry after this? Many people think it's a Cinderella situation so OMG, he has his choice of ANYONE and who wouldn't want to be a princess? Well, in his so-called or former social set, most women.

I doubt Harry's ability to learn anything or grow up from this. He still sounds like an entitled, tantrum throwing, arrogant asshole who will always be young for his age. Either he goes with someone super young (a la his dad) who will cuckhold him and create her own version of drama, or he'll marry a motherly sort even older than Meghan. But IMO it's going to be a long time before he's a free man because his current wife's exit strategy includes lots of money and she's not getting it.

Memo To Family:

NO MATTER WHO IS PAYING, I FORBID ANY PRIVATE PLANE TRIPS DURING BREXIT. THE OPTICS ARE TERRIBLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

Morocco this weekend is an interesting choice. Perhaps it will be her Parisian tunnel?

There is no actual need to justify any degree of risk, so what is the actual goal? Hmm...

Love this photo of two joggers looking back at the future King of England...is it him or not?

The Middletons are real bottom feeders.

Clear as can be. Meghan’s long-game is to Jackie-O this journey. Leaving Harry will happen one way or another. She’s just waiting for the right intro to the right billionaire. The ultra-rich are a sub-culture unto themselves, and seasoned trophy wives are frequently passed around. Look at Lauren Sanchez. Marrying Meghan will always provide some level of cachet and proximity to the BRF, particularly as mother of Harry’s kid(s). This will be her hook...As it’s been written up thread, BRF responsibilities and constraints will prove too much especially as she sees her celebrity and celebrity-wife “friends” live lives of unbridled freedom and luxury.

Here's what I thought when I first read Harry was dating Meghan Markle. It was when his statement was issued and that made my computer news notifications. Oh, what's Suits? Who's Meghan Markle? Biracial? Good for him! Smart move! Ok, she's cute, not as glam as I expected. Oh, and she's mid-thirties. Well, with that statement out there, he's bound to marry her. Don't recall a similar statement coming from a royal followed by a break-up. Especially in this case it would look like he couldn't handle the "controversy". This is a done deal.

I check out Suits. Boy, she's a bad actress and has very few prior credits. Marrying Harry is a smart move! Getting out of show business before it's done with her, and she seems to have built up a charity and community involvement presence that she can transfer to royal work. AND she's experienced and old enough to be media savvy so she can handle it with poise and not have to worry about getting accustomed. She also has nice long legs and should look good in the clothes. The clothes should be great - she looks great in clothes on Suits.

Engagement interview. Why are they talking to reporters from across the water feature? That's really weird. Ok, she's not wearing stockings, but she's an actress, so... ok. Interview itself: ok Meg, you will have to tone it down. "Is he kind?" was more than a little de trop. BUT, she's an actress and they cheese it up all the time. She'll learn. They seem a little scrambled about relationship timeline, her family, and dogs, but that will get sorted.

First public engagements as an engaged couple. Jesus Christ she is over the top. Hand to heart, OTT princessy "gracious" facial expressions, fingers to lips, "Oh, for ME!!??? How KIND!" shit for days. Well, she'll tone it down. Harry dragging that school girl over to Meg for a hug was pretty thirsty though. And the girl's arm stayed at her side - she didn't hug back.

Then: Her coats are weird. Her coats and the outfit underneath don't go together. She must be merching, but that's because she doesn't have her own money. When she's married and Charles starts supplementing, her clothes will coordinate better. But WTF is she wearing stilletos everywhere, even on soccer pitches and sporting type events, and why did she wear voluminous trousers with the hem dragging in the gutter on a rainy day?

I can't even remember when it dawned on me she was a slag, but it happened before the wedding.

R289 here - OH, now I remember when her slagitude was confirmed. Ghosting her fucking father. The man she exploited left and right every second of her show biz career. "I grew up on sets." "I'm still your Buckaroo, love, Bean." "My daddy taught me everything about lighting - I can tell if a lamp is off before I'm even on the floor." Elle magazine or whatever it was: "My daddy made a mixed Barbie family for me." AND the attitude that her dad can't pap but SHE can pap. That she can exploit her dad but he can't talk about her. THAT was when.

I don't think Meghan has the skills to operate at a Lauren Sanchez level. She couldn't even leverage herself into WAG-hood in Toronto, hard as she tried. Harry was low-hanging fruit. The trick was to get access to Harry, but since Harry was whoring himself around the Z-list watering holes, that was probably not as difficult as it would be if it were years ago and she was trying to get to William. As Burrell said (Burrell is a twat, but he's right about this) - the celebs William knows are essentially people he works with, he doesn't take them home. His old friends are from that public school circle. Maneuvering herself into that circle wouldn't have helped with William (or even various dukes and aristos), but Harry set himself up for it.

If she does leverage herself out of there I see a much younger guy - very similar to Harry but without the financial constraints. She'll find her own Dodi. Maybe not. I could see Mohammed Fayed dismissing Meghan as a common whore. But someone.

When do the Sussexes get to Casablanca?

One assumes the inspection of the Guard of Honour will happen in the daylight.

R289 - "First public engagements as an engaged couple. Jesus Christ she is over the top. Hand to heart, OTT princessy "gracious" facial expressions, fingers to lips, "Oh, for ME!!??? How KIND!" shit for days".

You mean like this?

She won’t sue the DM..she can’t. First question the lawyers will ask is, “If you intended the letter to remain private, why instruct your friends to quote from it for People Magazine?” If she denies that she did, people will be called as witnesses etc.

She’s threatening so that she can edge away from the extremely widespread assumption that she wrote the letter in the hope that “Daddy” would leak it.

I still have a bad feeling about the Morocco trip

King George VI with his daughters Elizabeth and Margaret plus corgis.

The Queen Mum with Queen Elizabeth as a baby. At the time, they were the Duchess of York and Princess Elizabeth of York respectively.

R271 the mids have dm connections. Carole is v friendly with the editor...if it wasn't obvious enough

Princess Anne certainly didn't EARN all of these medals.

R270 Well there you go. Kate had a baby shower too.

I vaguely remember that bit about pips hosting.

R300 - Spot the difference - Kate's baby shower was a private family affair not a tacky pap celebrity story with supposed "friends" over five days in New York.

Regarding Harry and rest of BRF not waking up to Meghan's character (or lack of it), don't be so sure they're onto her. I counseled many people, from patients to close friends, who have had to deal with escaping relationships from batshit crazy or evil partners. Most often they weren't clued in until their partners tried something egregious or criminal. Part of the reason why is, as one good friend told me of him giving his ex-wife the benefit of doubt "You just don't think people can be that manipulative, I wasn't brought up amongst people who would even think that way". BTW his ex-wife put her 1st husband in jail on fake abuse charges. She then attempted murder on my friend before falsely accusing him of domestic abuse too, and at same time she was sexually abusing his 92-year-old father. He later found out that she was diagnosed as psychopath in her late teens, and was highly promiscuous as a swinger even though she presented herself as a devout Unitarian Christian.

Point is, decent people who are brought up in decent families are targeted by manipulative liars because it's easy to prey upon their trust and decency. Victims will want to make it work even with red flags flying in their face, they will resist thinking ill of their partner until something unspeakably hurtful is done to them that finally open their eyes to reality. Harry, Charles, maybe the Queen are still giving Meghan benefit of doubt and excusing her behavior, but give it another 2 years. That's around the timeframe that manipulative users don't bother hiding anymore, including willingness to emotionally or physically harm their so-called loved ones.

R301 Some of you made it seem like she didn't have one at all.

We didn't pay for Meghan's baby shower so why so bothered? She's married to the "sixth in line!!1", remember? If her celeb friends want to treat her more power to them.

I'm happy she got to use the clooneys plane, just like WillKat uses the Duke of westminsters. It's that or pay for their tickets. The RPO's get paid regardless. Like I said before, she could be sat at home and the rpo would still get paid their monthly salary. Latest news is she, or her friends, paid for security as well. She really went out of her way to make it clear tax payers did not pay for this trip and still people aren't satisfied.

The issue, R301, is not that she had a baby shower. It’s that she had a public baby shower & invited the press along.

The BRF live lives of extraordinary privilege - entirely unearned. It’s obscene that they would ever want to flaunt this in everyone faces, and generally speaking they don’t.

As she was swanning around NY getting showered with gifts by millionaires, her husband was visiting a school and dishing up hot meals for children who often only get one a day.

Can you really not see the problem?

I wonder what the “chicest baby shower games” would be?

Guess the candy bar in the diaper?

Maybe so, R303. It’s just not a good look. It’s a terrible look, in fact.

Edward really doesn't care about optics.

He has done this before. He uses private planes and doesn't give a toss what people think about it.

R304 - I can spot the difference as I said in my post @R301.

R304, what she SHOULD have done is “Our child is fortunate to be born into great privilege. It weighs heavily on our hearts that some children aren’t. It would be a great gift to us if our guests would consider donating a gift to XXXX charity instead of giving to our incredibly blessed family”

This is something that “woke” wealthy people do. I know of kids who’ve requested that birthday party guests bring a new book to be donated, instead of another toy for themselves. Even if the parents are driving it, it’s a nice thing to do, and everyone wins.

Very sorry, R301...I meant R304. Getting old...eyesights not what it was.

R309. No offence but if Meghan said that people would howl in laughter at the "virtue signalling." The media would shit on her and the British public would cackle. If they're going to hate her she might as well have fun.

The only acceptable thing was for her to have said and done nothing. Suffer or enjoy her wealth in total silence.

R311 - well, she could have had a private family gathering like Kate but then she barely has a family member she could invite.

Anyone know how well the Queen gets on with The Duchess of Kent and Princess Michael of Kent?

[quote]What the fuck is the government doing sending them to an unstable place?

Hoping Morocco is the new Paris?

R312. No. People were upset about the very idea of a baby shower. There were lots of comments that it's tacky and not British. Why is she bringing her American ways to the BRF blah blah.

Anything she did would have been panned IMO. Silence was her only option is she wanted good press. The OTT baby shower has turned the media conversation away from Tom Sr. so there's that benefit.

[quote] Our child is fortunate to be born into great privilege. It weighs heavily on our hearts that some children aren’t. It would be a great gift to us if our guests would consider donating a gift to XXXX charity instead of giving to our incredibly blessed family

R309 would be the worst PR professional to the stars.

R315 Hardly any comments that I’ve seen are saying “baby showers are not British”. It’s all about the immense amount of money & alerting the press.

Morocco trip update

r303, there's a PR staff opening, well, actually openings, with a famous American woman married into the BRF.

You're hired! When can you start?

“Anything she did would have been panned”

I am so sick of seeing this...as if the poor dear angel can’t do a thing right. It’s bullshit and deliberately ignores that fact that she is, quite deliberately it seems, doing everything wrong. That’s on her, no one else.

R317 you may be tardy to the party. The post shower comments were about the publicity. The pre shower stories here and on the DM included comments about how un-British it is.

R320. Well since you're sick of seeing it, guess we'll all have to stop saying it then. 🙄

[quote]the mids have dm connections. Carole is v friendly with the editor...if it wasn't obvious enough

Prove that. At least the source of the rumour.

Four generations of Windsors.

With all desire to see the DoS turn this debacle around and succeed, still, I would not be surprised if Prince Harry files for divorce within a year.

My Super Psychopathic, er, I mean Telepathic, Powers of Apprehending a Subtle Shift in Feeling and Thought are picking up vibrations from Prince Harry.

He's concluded the marriage is a mistake. He wants to cut his losses now while he's still young. He wants the pain and strife of a divorce sooner rather than later so he can get it over with and move on.

Or, he also is considering waiting for QE II to die and spare her, but, his mind is made up.

- Professor Della, Acclaimed By The Crowned Heads of Europe. Let Me Read Your Past Present and Future In My Crystal

[quote]Or, he also is considering waiting for QE II to die and spare her, but, his mind is made up.

More likely of the two scenarios. I'm not sure he's smart enough to have taken such an absolute position. But the last week must have left him confused, possibly dubious, and deeply disillusioned. A kind of familiarity that will breed contempt very quickly because everything that once seemed authentic and refreshing now seems feigned and affected.

Quite the entourage for a two day stop. What a waste of money.

This Morocco trip sounds incredibly dull. Thank goodness the Academy Awards will be going on instead for entertainment.

"But the last week must have left him confused, possibly dubious, and deeply disillusioned."

Agreed , r326. After recalibrating my crystal, it's veered away from an absolute decision and has settled on what you wrote here.

R327 - A telling tidbit - the Sussex Shitstorm is taking along only 2 private assistants but 3 communcations staffers plus a digital officer??? Someone knows they're in trouble.

The trip to Morocco itinerary.

Originally there was nothing on the schedule with the Moroccan royal family receiving the Sussexes. This, like this whole hastily scrawled Morocco trip, was a last minute addition in light of the NYC shit storm. Charles supposedly has a very close relationship with the king and it's speculated he called in a favor to have them stay in one of the palaces instead of the British ambassador's residence and to give them audience in an effort to rehabilitate their image from the media fall out.

Ruh-roh.

EVERYBODY, here and in Europe, no matter if they want to admit or not, reads Page Six.

And, I hate that I give Rupert Murdoch my click, too, but I do.

Who, in British government, would have the authority to coordinate this trip to NYC. That can't be done overnight. I can't believe H and M can do that without the help of other who I would think would inform HM's people. Not to mention that it makes them beholden to Trump. Could that be why he wants his state visit now? He protected the princessa? Don't most people owe huge favors for such things--and Trump is the type to call for payback.

I also think it makes other family members look bad. Edward and Phillip's private planes this week suddenly became very bad optics.

from Page 6: “Diana always stayed at The Carlyle in New York, which prides itself on its discretion for its famous guests. The fact that Meghan allowed this to become a media circus is very revealing.

“Nobody objects to Meghan having time with friends . . . [but] dignity and privacy are consistent with her primary role as a British duchess."

“Is she royal or is she a celebrity?” asked Jephson. “I saw that a cotton-candy machine had been delivered for the baby shower. Cotton candy is fluffy, airy, sugary and a very short-lived treat — worryingly close to how Meghan appears to be.”

Brutal quote r336!

Making other family members look bad, that’s the thing.

Gayle King, shower attendee and name-dropper extraordinaire on the DoS: "..a very private person."

The defensive note in those words tells that her and Oprah know that shower was a mistake.

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They've arrived in Morocco.

The accessories are all wrong but I like the color of her outfit.

Ffs....bowing to this bint?

Photo of the honor guard at the airport in Casablanca.

A short video of greeting dignitaries.

Any gripping of husband as part of the thanks for having me charm offensive or is it just that poor trapped child now unable to evade her grasp?

At least we don't have to look at her shrink-wrapped abdomen and protruding navel this time.

Oh, yeah... no trouble in paradise. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets.

They're in a Muslim country but that doesn't stop them from hand holding.

I bet she's turned on the tears since she got home.

Bare legs and hooker-like shoes in a Muslim country.

Ignorant and vulgar. She really is Marie Antionette reincarnated.

What's wrong with the shoes?Kate wears similar shoes all the time.

R353, are you playing the dumb one on purpose or are you, by chance, really that dumb?

These PDAs when meeting dignitaries is really, really unprofessional. Holding hands when walking on a beach...OK. But not under circumstances like these. I am stunned that they haven’t been told in no uncertain terms that it has to stop. Unless they have and they’re taking no notice.

R354 I guess I am just that dumb,thank you.I've never paid that much attention to what type of shoes sex-workers wear.

Can't believe is must be said but Morocco is not Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

Loose silhouettes are best so I don't expect to see Meghan in her body con maternity wear. I doubt the Moroccans care about her shoes. There isn't a "muslim" ruling on stilettos. Princess Lalla wears stilettos.

The coat is a good colour for Meghan. The shoes are fine. The outfit is simple with clean lines and a bit of brocading at the décolletage. I want to see the detailing on clutch before giving a full verdict. So far this is in the win column in my books.

She's sticking with her Jackie O theme. I wasn't a fan of the coat she wore in New York but this one works for me.

[quote]She really is Marie Antionette reincarnated.

No she's not. One was ignorant, the other is greedy.

R357 should say Lalla Salma.

Valentino bespoke. Looking at $30k+ and handbag is $3300. As this is an Official visit this is coming out of the Foreign Office's budget methinks.

Both look as miserable as sin. Good.

R353, when Kate puts an outfit together — shoes, hosiery, clothes, accessories — her goal is to look appropriate for the occasion and to show respect for the people she's meeting. When Meghan puts an outfit together, her goal is to aggrandize herself. That is the difference.

[quote] Harry and Meghan landed in Casablanca on a commercial flight this evening to start a tour of the country on behalf of the British government.

Was the DM strongly advised to add that it was a commercial flight (and thus modestly priced) or did they add that information to keep running salt in the wound of the private jet extravagance?

^^^rubbing salt

The Duchess Of Excess is wearing that "blush that looks like a bruise" look again. Why does she wear so much warpaint? I thought she said she liked her natural freckled look.

The model wears it better.

The model wears it better.

I dunno. The Queen has a mean right hook. And after New York...

Of course the model wears it better. The model isn't half the size of her own ego.

A smile and a smirk in the car. She has her hand on his leg - in a Muslim country. Can't she wait until she's at the hotel?

She's probably imagining all the loot she's gonna bring home.

Harry takes a bite of the food offered but I can't see if Meghan did. Probably not.

Dimwit gullible Harry just wanted to be a husband, father and family man, finally, and have what he's admired about William and Kate and their children. Instead, he gets this camera-crazed, attention-seeking, money-hungry, undisciplined, disrespectful and thoughtless narcissistic woman has manipulated his affection and life. Your mess now Ginger, clean it up.

What a total load of crap, R315 or whatever your # is. NO, not anything she would have done would have been panned. If she hadn't been an asshole, she wouldn't have been panned. She has EARNED every inch of it. It's not "Poor Megsie can't win." She fucking sucks, and it's down to her.

R373, I don't believe that for one second. If that's what he wanted, he would have settled down and straightened out years ago. It's not about what he wants; it's about how he wants to be perceived. Being everybody's kid brother in contrast to the settled William and Kate only took him so far. He himself expressed his restlessness that he only had x years before ALL of the media attention went to Kate and William's kids.

As he's an entitled asshole, he did not perceive that his inability to get reasonably respectable B listers to marry him reflected on him at all. This, after he was shot down by countless aristo types, including official girlfriends.. So when he lands himself a common grifter who is biracial, he flatters himself he has check-mated Will. How can they compete with HER? I mean, no matter how much the press has claimed Harry adores Will and Kate, the "limpet" appellation came from Harry sources. He resents them, and wants to drag them down and one up them. All he cared about re Meg was she would upstage Kate and Will, and so, because he brought her in, would he. She may be upstaging Will and Kate, but I don't think Will and Kate are actually playing her game. They're doing they're own thing - the long game. I DO think Harry flattered himself she would out-Kate Kate, and there he has fallen on his face. Well, he may as well lie flat on his face since she's walking over him. Initially when she walked ahead of him or barged over him, she behaved as if, "oh gracious, I didn't realize. HERE, darling, by all means, go ahead!" as if he were a child. Now, she doesn't give two fucks and does what she wants. She's in the tabloids more than Kate, so - hey Harry, a win for you! But ANYBODY thirsty enough can get in the tabloids. It's destroying his long game, but doubt Harry's bright enough to know this.

R370I I doubt much is happening at home. This is for the photogs. They're both whores.

I actually thought the maternity dress in Morocco was okay. I won't comment on the cut at all, since, after all, she's pregnant. But at least she's finally wearing some color. I'm not one of the people out with the knives for her. I criticize her, freely, but I'm not mean.

I think she looks beautiful. But I also think they look tense.

The color is great on her.

They both look tense.

Can’t help wondering If Meg feels a great sense of letdown in contrast to her fabulous NYC trip.

Harry must know she feels this, right? Does that make him feel inadequate or angry?

What is the deal with all those caped dresses and coats? Does she fantasise about being a nun?

She has terrible taste. Just get used to it. She’s never going to look chic or put together. The best we can hope for is a pretty color from time to time. She’s an awkward looking skank from the valley. It is what it is.

CDAN is saying that MM invited numerous A/A+ celebrities to her baby shower but they all declined.

She's pretty, but her clothes have been distracting. I think she could look fabulous if she hired the right stylist instead of putting royal money into Jessica's bank account for the shitty merch-based style. So what if money is an issue. If the right stylist picked clothes from JC Penney for Meghan, she'd look many times better than she does wearing the weird designer get-ups arranged by Jessica.

And, I fucking hated seeing Amal showing up to the baby shower with her coat draped over her shoulders with the empty arm sleeves hanging down to the side. Jessica and Meghan tried to make that look happen last year. Thank god it didn't take; it's fucking stupid. If you don't want to wear your coat, just hold it. And it makes no fucking sense to wear a coat over your torso, but not put your arms in the sleeves. Extremities are colder than your torso because of their distance from the heart. Amal must have done that purposely just to kiss their asses. Does Harry have any influence over who's granted a knighthood or OBE?

As said above, the Clooneys are likely angling to be godparents. It's telling that neither MM nor Kate have made a single friend among PH and PW's circle. Kate of course has her own friends and her siblings and parents, but who has MM got in the UK?

I don't think she's pretty in the least. She resembles a snake. And the Morocco outfit is ugly, but at least it's a maternity thing. Oh, and the color is decent on her. The two of them looked tense in the pics of them arriving. I wonder if they hate each other yet.

R382, I wouldn't doubt it. Maybe she was going to try to pick up celebs she had failed to invite to the wedding. Who would have been on her guest list? Michelle Obama (too smart to suck up to royalty in public); Angelina Jolie; Beyonce (maybe the painting was an apology for skipping out). Wasn't Jennifer Aniston's 50th birthday party held during the same timeframe; that would have completed with Meghan's wish guest list. Goop was at Aniston's party.

Her dress is very Lucy Ricardo. If Lucy wore Valentino, that is.

I think Harry's caught between a rock and a hard place. He wanted to out-do his brother in his choice of bride, but it's backfired spectacularly on him. I can't recall anyone calling him dense or dim before, but it's common now. No doubt he hates that, who wouldn't? But it would look bad if he bailed on his marriage, as if he caved to public opinion. But the longer it goes on, the worse she behaves and the angrier people get, so he's just digging himself in ever deeper by continuing.

Lol R386 As if any of Aniston's guests would have skipped her party for that mess

A year ago, who ever thought she would have generated this much drama. I thought she'd at least TRY to fit into the family, and maybe try to compete with Kate by getting on the queen's good side and wearing better clothes. And people in the UK are turning against Harry. In every DM story about MM, there are a ton of comments that say, "Harry, what have you done?", and "She's turned the RF into the Kardashians; all the mystique is gone. I don't like them anymore."

R382's reply deserves a fist pump!

"I will have one mistress here"

Very good article in the DM from Ingrid Seward. She’s extremely pro-Harry so it’s a bit “poor lamb” about him, but she points out how patronising Markle is around him and how inappropriate it was for her to wear a £5k outfit to a charity for women who can’t afford interview clothes.

Laura Sanchez is fug. She must give outstandingly good head.

I think MM saw the deal after a short while - no grand London apartment or country house, no big clothing budget, no prestigious charities, no tiara-wearing big galas, back row at official events, no chance to make a personal fashion statement, no acceptance from Harry's friends or family, and just thought, fuck this shit. This is a woman who dumped her own father, best friend of 30 years, husband and live-in bf. She knows how to move on.

Yep R395 she’s already bailing. This is her signalling her plans for the future and the UK does not feature.

Question for the royal experts: if Harry said goodbye to royal life and moved to the States - how much Money would he be taking with him?

But the money angle, R396. As in, she has none.

R396 Not a royal expert, but in the meantime....not much, I suspect. Apparently, his personal income comes from money in trust which gives him around £300k a year.

The big problem he’d have is that he’d no longer have RPO protection as the police only protect working royals. He’s still on an ISIS hit list so he’d need to provide his own - which would probably cost his entire income.

If he wanted to leave the UK behind, his best bet is as a governor general somewhere, but people in commonwealth countries now prefer to pick their own dignitaries & leaders, unsurprisingly.

I suspect he’s a bit trapped.

Thanks R398. I was thinking along the lines of a position like that or some kind of made up job like Andrew has. The security detail is a big problem. Otherwise I could imagine him cutting ties and being a NY socialite serving on boards etc.

Boards, R399? What kind of boards, skate boards? Haz is dumb. No boards for him.

I wonder if the Queen will step in and pay Markle off when they divorce. Harry can’t afford to,

No sympathies for Harry who brought on this shit show. No fucks to give if ginger dimwit doesn't look happy, boo hoo. This will be his epitaph.

R402 I was on Hollywood Blvd today and some flyover flau was shocked and horrified that Judge Judy has a Star.

RUDE!

I’d love that, R402, if they hadn’t spelt “you’re” wrong.

In past times, I reckon Harry would have been offered governorship of Australia or Canada. No chance these days.

Harry is boxed in. He has to perform royal "duties" to satisfy the taxpaying public. But either he is joined by a cooperative spouse, like Edward or do them on his own, like Andrew. Not sure how it works with Anne's husband; he joins her for some events but not others. Failing that, he can go off and earn his own living, minus any payments or perks from the BRF, except what his father chooses to give him from his own funds. Given that he has no marketable skills, he needs to keep his royal job, and to do that, he either needs to separate from his current wife and do it on his own, or find one that can support him.

Harry declines a wedding invite (in 2017)

Elegantly phrased.

If Trump can be in the Whitehouse then Harry can be on a board.

Yes, as long as the board has wheels.

Being on a board can often just mean having your name on the company letterhead & attending a meeting once a month. Even the ginger twonk could manage that much.

He does have marketabke skills, R405. He can fly, for a start. And nobody goes through Sandhurst and comes out with no marketable skills whatsoever. He should have taken a desk job with the army instead of opting to become unemployed.

And his royal stuff is a duty, not a job. If it was a job, even a voluntary one, Markle couldn’t have joined in on just a fiance visa.

The twonk could possibly manage to sit at a table and...what? Fidget? Gnash his teeth? Look like he'd rather be anywhere else than where he is? Nah. Given that he's now a hard core druggie, I'm not sure that would work out.

And you think young Harry could live on the pay from an Army desk job, R411? I should have said, "no marketable skills that could keep him in royal style". Not sure I take your point about the difference between duties and a job. I have household duties but I can neglect them, neither am I paid to perform them. I have set hours and responsibilities for my actual job, for which I am paid.

Navy and black today

OMFG. The hand on the heart. WTF??? What reason could she possibly have for performing that ridiculous gesture? The only thing that would have been worse is if her other hand had been on her belly.

There is a legal difference between performing a duty and doing a job in the UK, R413. Sorry if you don’t accept that, but it happens to be a fact. HM is thw only one of them with an actual job...she’s the HoS.

And what marketable skills exist to keep anyone in “royal style”? Tell me & I’ll retrain and learn some.

He has marketable skills to get a job. You said he didn’t.

Whether they would earn him enough to live in “royal style” is another matter...they clearly wouldn’t, but you could say that about anyone.

Can’t you stick to Tumblr? Your aggressive “I AM ALWAYS RIGHT EVEN WHEN I’M NOT” attitude fits there better, you annoying cunt.

It took me a while but I finally figured out who the red dress reminded me of:

[quote]OMFG. The hand on the heart. WTF???

It's done after a handshake in Morocco, but it's more like a quick touch and then the hand goes back down. Of course she's above learning to do it the right way and just carried on with her usual OTT gesturing.

Whew, okay! Thanks, R418, for explaining that. Makes perfect sense. After all, she's in MErocco.

And now she's speaking French.

Oh dear, Express reporting she could be liable for £330,000 in tax due to her baby shower.

This obnoxious grifter got herself some lip injections despite being pregnant, didn't she?

One more injection and she has got typical duck face lips.

She seemed to be channeling The Handmaid's Tale, last night.

At least it was a maternity coat . A very expensive one . And indeed it looked like she was a cardinal in it .

What is she wearing today— a man blazer and black, skintight jeans?

What a weird outfit.

Thinking about MEga's Shower how many of the guests were actually Alisters or even celebrities? We have Serena who is an Alist athelete. These two are actually such good friends that MM wasn't at Serena's engagement party, wedding or baby shower. Amal has probably got Alist name recognition. And then we have Gayle the journalist who is more famous because of Oprah. Other than that the remainder seem to be celebrity adjacents ak wannabes. I believe the CDAN blind from months back which said all the alisters declined. What I don't get is why Serena is mixed up in this mess. Someone said in this thread about Amal angling for a Dame title. If she is, she's wasting her time with MEga. The royals have no say in who gets what honour. There's a committee in the Cabinet Office that decides. One criteria as Beckham found out to his cost is to regularise your tax affairs (don't take legal or illegal measures to lower your tax bill).

Blind said King, Williams, Beyawncee and Markle are repped by CAA.

R422, I believe you’re right. It’s POSSIBLE that everything is a bit fuller because of pregnancy hormones. Those lips look sculpted, though, not merely swollen.

[quote]What is she wearing today— a man blazer and black, skintight jeans?

And apparently bump size 1; she looks remarkably less pregnant than in recent weeks.

R383: “If the right stylist picked clothes from JC Penney for Meghan, she'd look many times better than she does wearing the weird designer get-ups arranged by Jessica.”

So true.

Wow. The back of Harry’s head looks like Will’s. He’s nearly bald back there.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I just wondered for a moment why William was in Morocco as well.

Someone mentioned Princess Anne ‘s husband. What does he do, anyway?

R426 My best explanation for it other than the CAA connection is that there is a chance that Serena has been taken in by whatever superficial charm that Meghan has.

So far the people who have publically called Meghan out on ghosting only seemed to have realised that she used them after she ghosted them. I know from a distance she seems so uncharming but she must have something that works on some people since she's left a trail of people she's charmed and then ghosted.

Piers Morgan also mentioned in his article that he was not only ghosted by her but she managed to get her costar to ghost him as well, so she's also able to manipulate other people into doing what she wants. Serena is accomplished but maybe she's also just a bad judge of character and so she's being manipulated.

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The bellycupping though, with those long fingers. It really is cringe. I’m sorry, point taken about cuntishness on Sunday but I just wish she would not DO that!

Sparkle and Mulroney both always look like they smell bad. Like unwashed clothes and unwashed hair.

Are average women going to start “cradling/bellycupping their heavily pregnant bumps” now? Will it become a thing? Please no.

Wtf with her muddy, scuffed shoes?

They look more relaxed and affectionate with each other today.

R437, I remember an acquaintance of mine doing it 25 years ago - with the same insufferable smirk. Annoying attention whores will always do it.

[quote]Not sure how it works with Anne's husband; he joins her for some events but not others.

Anne's husband rose to the rank of Vice-Admiral in the Navy - I am sure entirely on merit ;) - He's retired. I included a link to Wiki... make of it what you will... but assuming the footnotes don't come from seriousbiography.tumblr.com, he's quite interesting. I have read consistently that they are unhappy in the marriage but if you follow Hello! or the Mail and the like he seems to be with her fairly frequently at private events like the horse trials and all that saddle malarky they love so much. Officially he seems to attend only public family events.... Trooping the Colour, Diplomats Reception, Garter Ceremony, weddings, funerals. I'm probably wrong but you never seem to see Anne at the Garden Parties. She's probably punched too many guests.

[quote]Being on a board can often just mean having your name on the company letterhead & attending a meeting once a month. Even the ginger twonk could manage that much.

Depends on the board. Corporate boards have legal oversight responsibilities - audit and governance committees for example - and can be liable to lawsuits from shareholders. So picking a board is supposed to reflect the magnitude of the responsibilities. I doubt Dim could read a balance sheet even if he could sit still long enough to try. Or you're like an ex-President or Prime Minister, providing insight, strategic ideas and opening doors. That's where the money is for board members. Charitable boards, sure, great figurehead, but there's no money in it and if there is someday you get the Private jets, luxury suites, $10000 dinners... Charity Board Members Take Millions While Orphans Starve headline.

Williams was there to flog her line of ugly clothes, and fulfill CAA obligations. She fits in well with the other attendees.

The Laurence Wiki entry. Served in Bosnia. Now quietly making $ in property.

Thanks R443. Quietly, indeed. I didn't recall he and Anne had a "stolen love letters" scandal.

Heart is lower and more to the left, R415.

Don't think she has one, R445.

I need to stop reading these threads. But I am addicted.

Fear not, r447. I used to be addicted to "The Guiding Light". The difference is, of course, observing the BRF is a real-time actual Soap Opera, and, oh, do I love it.

The Dook & Dookess of Sussex situation, however, is small spuds when compared to the epic Charles & Diana saga that enthralled the world to an extent that the D&D of S won't come to close to, and that was BEFORE social media.

At least Diana was beautiful and chic. Now we don't even have that.

But at least TV soaps as slow as they were had SOME pacing. I feel like it will take a few years to see her end game. Reminds me of the suspense of the Mueller report.

That blazer was in style, barely, 5 or 6 years ago. So drab in colourful setting. She looks like a receptionist.

Agreed, r450.

Another advantage of the produced, make-believe, televised "daytime dramas" is that the audience was at the mercy of waiting for, say 2:00PM CST, to see the next installment which would last an hour.

Way back in the pop-culture Pleistocene Era, soaps were on the radio for 15 mins.. Radios were plastic or wood thingys that contained recepting wires that picked up waves emitted from a brick and mortar building and sat on a shelf. Then they went to TV for 30 mins then an hour.

The point is, after the hour, you went on to the chores of living. Now, You can be plugged in 24 and 7.

Is she trying to look better than Kate in skinny black jeans?

Such an odd outfit, even for her.

Today would have been a perfect day to make a nod towards the host country, and culture, and wear something with colour. I'm sure it wpuld have been more comfortable to wear something loose and flowing. What possessed her to choose that outfit for day 2 of the tour? Which , really, has become day 1 after such a late arrival. Makes me wonder if she did have a hissy fit about going, as they were on schedule to leave early Saturday morning. The outfit seems so out of place, unscheduled. Something she could have worn on the plane.

R451, right? NOBODY does that “boyfriend” blazer thing with the cuffs rolled up anymore. Dated style aside, I don’t understand the outfit at all. It’s very casual for the occasion.

R454, I read that blurb about the “plane drama” and immediately assumed its origins were Meghan-related. She doesn’t want to be there.

I re-watched that video where Prince William is perceived to being avoiding eye contact with the DoS.

Her behavior is more telling than his. She, of course, as they all do, knows they're on camera. She wants the camera to capture her and PW in eye contact. She knows she's in the Tower, or else she wouldn't have needed to attempt that.

Oh, dear. My suspense at the question of whether she has, or will, develop, world-class, supah-playah, Royal, pretend-the-camera-isn't-there camera skills chops/game has diminished.

Yes, it's easy for a member of the audience to comment from the cheap seats (I'll pretend I'm standing in the Globe of the early 1600s at a matinee of a try-out of a new play) but, it's telling that she should have decided BEFORE that appearance not to take the risk of that attempt with PW on the chance he may ignore her. Now, she rolled the dice, lost and it's all on camera.

Or, PW just, benignly, didn't see her attempt.

She was merching her scarf, before she changed into the shirt and heels, under that boyfriend blazer. The label, or tag, was dead on centre. Oh boy, she's a grifter.

I knew I saw that red dress somewhere.

She's sporting a henna tatoo. She's so precious.

Morocco is a Muslim country that frowns on public displays of affection.

A little too close.

It never ends.

No respect. From either of them. Doesn't she just love the camera? Totally bored when it's not on her, I notice. Thanks for sharing the pics. Wish she would at least keep her paws off him, during this trip.

So safe to say Dim understands nothing about the backlash over the Price is Right shower. Either he's totally stubbornly doubling down on her or she cried and cried and cried and cried about how hard life is and how it's none of her fault.

Hey, they wiped her fake tan off when they prepped the skin for the henna. Whoops.

Link to drama on the plane? TIA.

Yeah, what plane drama? Do tell!

She sports a fucking fake tan!!! The insta shot at R460 is example #53789 of MEghan's phony tacky ass. Is there nothing on Sparkle that isn't botoxed, filled, weaved, sprayed, padded, plastic or veneered? Pictures are forever bitch!

I heard that their plane was late in arriving in London.

I have no evidence but I can see Markle having a hissy fit for the airline screwing up in her daylight debut in Morocco just because she can.

Thumb ring! It’s the crazy eyes of jewelry.

Leaving Hapless Harry behind, Nutmeg attempts to run so she can get there first.

Her eyes are checking out where the cameras are.

Hi, I'm Meghan and I'm pregnant, have you heard?

Constantly touching her hair...

I did say constantly.

Why on earth is she jogging ahead in the video at R472?!

BTW, for those of you who don't know, Morocco is nothing like Middle Eastern Muslim countries. Historically it's had a lot of influence from Africa and Europe and is a totally different vibe. Look at its location on the map. It's north Africa, not ME. I've spent lots of time in the ME and in Morocco and I'd say Morocco is pretty damn chilled out. I go there frequently on holiday.

R477 - Yeah, Morocco isn't as strict as say Saudi Arabia but displays of affection even between married couples is still not a custom they like.

I mean constantly fiddling with her hair.

It was one of the royal reporters that stated that "they had decided " to leave for Morocco later than planned "to make things easier". Sounds interesting. Then off course, some drama causing the flight to also land an hour behind schedule, too. Could have been Richard Palmer? Or that Victoria woman.

Mr. and Mrs. Touchy Feely in action (again).

She’s wearing a wig again.

Her eyes lately look a little.... crazed. Stress?

I don’t understand why she’s wearing jeans to the investiture ceremony. The men are in suits. Maybe all her ballgowns are at the cleaners.

I can’t think of any occasion where jeans are ok on tour. Maybe at home if visiting with children outdoors, but that’s about it. Not on a visit.

The Guardian had a piece up about Meghan thinking she has a copyright case against her father because he published photographs of the original letter rather than quoting from it. I'm no legal scholar, but I believe once you send a letter to someone, it becomes the property of the recipient. The fraus on Celebitchy are applauding Meghan for "at last fighting back!" forgetting that 1) the PEOPLE Magazine absurdity backfired in Britain, 2) ditto the George Clooney rant, and 3) how it will look for the rich Windsors to prosecute her fat old ailing Dad - not tomention that she may have no case at all and is just trying to scare him off, and that so much damage has already been done to her image through her own careless behaviour that even if she won the case she'd look bad, and how much money could she really get out of the old man?

R481 - I'm old enough to rememer the touchy-feely PDAs of Diana and Charles in Australia the first time, after William was born, and the lovely family photos of Charles with his arm around the beautiful Diana and newborn William - and all the time, she was driving him batty and the family were already having council meetings about the state of the marriage - only the public didn't find out until years later.

Harry is basically doing the only thing he can (and it's of course quite possile he still means it) after last week's miserable PR: standing by his pregnant woman.

This will be a looonnngggg time stewing.

MeAgain, Serena and Amal are all clients of Sunshine Sachs, one of the most powerful and notorious PR firms in the world. I think Mulroney and that Spencer person are too, but I'm not positive.

R479 - she’s always fiddling with it because it’s not her real hair, but glued and tied in rather. She’ll probably be bald in 10 years.

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Why the fuck did these two greet Moulay Hassan like they are his equal? He is the Crown Prince of Morocco, the equivalent of Harry's Father back home. No curtsy from the Wallis 2.0, no head bow from a ginger dumbfuck who has been raised all his life to know better. Meeting the King of Morocco should be interesting. The name Sussex is becoming synonymous with shitfest.

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Strange look in the eyes.

Generousfurydestiny on Tumblr has an amusing video of the bump moving= or is it wind?

I have no idea how to bring here

R491 - this video? Meghan looks down at her stomach. Pass it on.

The fedora she clings to constantly is her idea of being chic. She'd live forever in the early 0s if she could. Ripped jeans rolled at the hem, stilettos, boyfriend shirt half tucked, sunglasses. On vacation replace the ripped jeans with ripped cut-offs and the stilettos with greek sandals. She thinks this is the ne plus ultra of stylish plus sexiness, and constantly always trying to combine those two things in the specific way she does = trashy and Real Housewives. She's straight off someone's basic pinterest board.

Their smiles don't seem to reach their eyes.

Not only does she hold her stomach, she's now rubbing it in front of people she's meeting.

Ooh 494, you are right and that is a tell of non happiness,

Love your comments Della. I guess we just need to be patient and look for clues in the photos.

Two hand hair fix. If she's continuously fiddling around with her hair, put it in a pony tail for fuck's sake.

R488 No citizen of the UK or US should be bowing before the teenage son of an autocrat. Sheesh, you got your panties in a bunch.

Smooches, r496.

R495 oh GOD but that’s annoying. I bet it’s some kind of New Age LA thing, to soothe the baby or something. Yuckaroo.

She's wearing a white mummy wrap.

The sleeves are the best part of the dress.

Harry looks like he'd rather be somewhere else.

She's in charge of the shit show. She's the one who introduces her husband not the other way around.

Apart from seeing too much belly button/baby, I like it pretty well. Sleeves are fab. She really does look good with her hair pulled back.

The dress is by Dior. Is she wearing something to flatten her breasts?

Lol, it’s now “Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, and whatsitsname.”

r495 writes, " I bet it’s some kind of New Age LA thing, to soothe the baby or something. Yuckaroo."

Let's pause for a moment. Let's ask Loretta if she'd "soothe the baby". I think not!

I like that gown. Overall, It's one of her best choices so far.

Look at the bags under Harry's eyes at r494. Those are recent. And what the Hell is going on with M's bump at R506? Did SohoBébé kick its foot through her abdomen?

I do like the dress.

r498 You do when you are part of a delegation representing the government, who is trying to develop a business relationship with the country concerned. You can do WTF you want when you're on your own dime.

Meghan's dress is ok but it would have been better if it had some color and some embroidery. Moroccan caftans are gorgeous. Here are the King of Morocco's former wife Lalla Salma and his daughter Lalla Khadija.

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The Spanish bone rack called Queen Letizia wore this beautiful white embroidered gown last week on her visit to Morocco.

One of the comments: "Leia is having an alien".

Meghan is obviously very tactile (like Harry’s mum, remember all her prattle about hugs), and probably good in the sack. No wonder he’s into her.

I like the white dress.

Still don’t understand the heavy, orange blush. She looks so much better without it.

The belly rubbing is so gross. Like some fat, beer guzzling hillbilly rubbing his belly while watching TV.

Summary of Meghan's outfit.

The look on her face is priceless. Of course, she has to hold her tummy for the total effect.

I see she scrubbed off the henna tattoo.

Speaking of being tactile, wonder if The Duchess of Cling had Dimwit take the quiz for The Five Love Languages and his result was "Physical Touch" so she has doubled down on that fact to ensure he doesn't escape her spell anytime soon.

So I can't stand this woman so much I am torn between ignoring this thread just to avoid her or slagging hard to drive her sycophants nuts.

That said, I see nothing in these photographs that suggests unhappiness or anything else. They just seem to be on the job. He is obviously so besotted or so pussy whipped or so stupid he can't understand a thing about who he's really married or how she's making a fool of him. She is vulgarly striding through it all as they've only come to see her. She's sickening. It's the lack of humility I can't stand, personally.

I think the dress is one of her few successes and she does look good with her hair up. She's undeniably pretty. And pretty much a total cunt.

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The dress is pretty but her tits look really strange? Proper foundation garments are really not such a mystery that she could not acquire some!

She's never had much luck with foundation garments, though. She doesn't know how to dress herself. Probably better at taking things off.

Not an expert, but is her bump supposed to be so off center as it is in one of those pictures?

She looks beautiful and they look happy and in love and people around them seem thrilled to have her there. Keep dreaming that they are going to divorce and she’s going to be kicked out from the country without a penny.

Couldn't she find a pair of tailored slacks to wear instead of this shit that shows every bump? Is this what Walmart mummies wear out shopping at the mall? Harry isn't much better. People wait for them for hours and they show up looking like they just rolled out of bed???

Of course she won't get kicked out without a penny. They're obviously going to have to buy her silence.

Love the dress, her foundation garments suck. Blush is bad, love the bee clutch, hair looks neat.

Hated the outdated boyfriend blazer. Sheesh I have some in my closet from 3 years ago. They are wearable but not stylish.

R530 - yes and if the Royal Family are really smart, they will get her to sign a non-disclosure agreement so they can sue her ass off if she writes a tell all book.

Whatever money she gets will be in installments.

No way will she get any lump sum conditional on her silence.

No way the RF could sue her if she writes a book.

Installments with the written agreement that SHE KEEP HER MOUTH shut.

Not to mention that the Royal Family’s combined IQ probably still not half of Meghan’s.

I think she's tremendous!

Anyway, keep dreaming.

Eh, they should send her on her merry way and let her say what she likes. In the first place, it's obvious she is kept well away from the family's private spaces and places so she has no window on how things are in the various private homes and palaces. At this point she is such a massive liar that anything she says will come off like a lie. Her style is so self-serving and OTT as well, so she'll try to make herself come off very forbearing and wise, doling out well-considered praise and then regretful reports of how she was treated. It will be a simpering fucking mess and forgotten just as soon as everyone reads it. There are also far more people in a position to push back against anything she wants to say.

If their relationship had a sordid start and she wants to open the window on that, she's really showing her own ass. Plus I don't think it would be published in Britain if she did that. I imagine she will try to paint herself as already running in his social circles and friends with them. I remember she did an article about a lunch she had with "Bella" Musgrove, a former girlfriend of Prince William's (don't think this was mentioned), now in PR at Gucci and a married (to fabulously wealthy banker) mom. Meghan told Andrew Morton about "bonding" with Anna Wintour at Wimbledon when it is clear from photos they never spoke and Markle had crashed. But in any case she will paint a self-aggrandizing picture of herself "working increasingly in London" due to her expanding friend circle there (all of whom will have status except for one or two "common" individuals to make her seem deep. Like a nun, or a baker, or). And then she crossed paths with Harry as it seemed the center of the ven diagram of their social worlds was getting bigger and bigger. By the time she finishes marketing herself in her "tell all" the book will be laughed off the shelves.

If they divorce, what r530 said.

r528, One can root for the DoS, as I do, AND point out her mistakes and comment on them and the implications they may hold for her marriage and position within the BRF.

No ifs, ands, buts or howevers about it, that celebrity A-List Show Folk Trash Shakedown, er, I mean Baby Shower was vulgar and BIG mistake. The DoS has yet to find the proper balance between celebrity and duty as a Royal.

As a Royal, she's yet to learn that it's not what you can take, it's what you restrain yourself from, that counts.

I'll sat tuned in to see her walk this tightrope.

I'm sure Kate's I.Q. could take Meghan's in a fight. I've read what Meghan writes - she misuses half the words with which she decorates her prose. She's driven, focused and cunning. High I.Q. not so much, although people often confuse the two.

R539 the DOS is not looking for balance between celebrity and a proper royal. It's ALL celebrity to her. She is monetizing her position, that is it. She's Real Housewifing her way through her so-called duties and that is all she cares about.

Did the Ambassador clear out all of the furniture for the Sussex reception? Very spartan.

"When I become Queen, I'm going to send that rude woman who made my Mummy cry to the Tower".

My boyfriend always tells me wearing red is a no-no in his culture (Gulf Arab). Is it the same in Morocco?

She would look best in a silhouette halfway between shrink wrapped bump and billowing mumu (red arrival dress.)

Something fairly narrowly cut, but loose enough to skim the larger areas rather than cling to them.

Would any other member of the RF have been loaned Queenie's jewels for tonight's do with the head to toe Dior ensemble? Not tiara, obviously, but any jewellery from the vault?

R546, I doubt it. It wasn't a state visit. The Queen's jewels are hardcore, not your garden variety saw it at Tiffany. Besides, William and Dim split Diana's private jewellery I think, so there's stuff to draw from. Besides, I doubt the Queen is in much of a mood these days to contribute to MegAntoinette's ostentation.

This raises an interesting question: come the inevitable divorce, will MegAntoinette surrender Diana's jewels or claim they're hers now?

This Morocco tour was at the request of the British Government. Maybe it had to do with giving the MBE to this guy named Michael McHugo who helped promote gender equality in Morocco. I can't believe what Sparkle is wearing for the ceremony.

I can't believe she's letting Harry do the honours.

Mind you, she does have the smug smile of someone who taught the dog his new trick.

Meghan's Dior dress looks better viewed from afar. When you look at it closely, it looks like a sample.

Another closer view of the dress. Christian Dior would roll over in his grave if he saw the shitty sewing on this dress.

Strange her bump doesn't look at all Alien in r548 but does at r515. She really needs better undergarments.

Or a better deal with the underworld.

See those earring Kate is wearing here? This was last year on a trip to Norway much like this slap-dashed detour from L.A. to Morocco is billed, an official visit.

According to Elle magazine, her accessories are diamond drop earrings and a diamond bracelet worn by HM on her wedding day. Clearly if the Queen is so inclined she could easily loan jewels to MEghan.

R551 I see the sloppy seams. So how did she get this version?

Harry doesn’t look happy or besotted. Not one smile has been genuine...not one. Obviously he’s as camera aware as she is so the hand holding and vague gestures of affection will always be there otherwise they’d be notable by their absence. But he is not at all happy.

Neither is she, but I doubt she ever actually is.,..narcissists never are.

And whoever upthread is trying to pretend Markle has a high IQ...get real. Have you read that shite she used to put on The Tig? Twee nonsense with poor sentence construction very reminiscent of the attempts at “deepness” of the average teenage girl.

R554, another thing about the pecking order made plain.

[quote]Their smiles don't seem to reach their eyes.

It's funny that DM commenters were saying precisely this about William (unlike Harry who beamed) a mere three years ago before Meghan came into the picture. It and other disparaging comments about PW and Kate were from an article linked a couple of threads ago. He was the miserable/phony one then. What a difference a duchess makes.

R483 — see R236. The same threats were made when Paul Burrell included excerpts of letters in [italic]A Royal Duty[/italic]. Apparently legal advice that it was a no-win was heeded and the book was released without redaction. But...

Does Bean strike you as someone who would listen to her lawyers? Remember, she was on [italic]Suits.[/italic] I've no doubt that in her mind that equals a Yale JD and decades of practice. If she were to proceed with this foolhardiness — and it's hard to believe the BRF would allow her to, considering what the plaintiffs could unleash, but we've all seen that she does exactly as she pleases — she'll probably insist on representing herself with Amal as co-counsel.

Bring on the popcorn.

I am beginning to think Harry is not as stupid as everyone says, I think he is running a long con with hopes of financial windfall to leave the royal life. Most people acknowledge that he had problems finding a wife because of the royal fishbowl. So I think he intentionally married someone unsuitable to force the hand of the monarchy. This better explains the rife with William as Harry is now affecting not only William's legacy but the legacy of his child. Megs is hoping to live the celebrity high life ala Edward and Wallis after Harry leaves England. However, the last joke may be on her when Harry dumps her for someone else.

R558 Sigh. Yes. Every member of the royal family gets criticised. Every facet of their lives and relationships are scrutinised, including whether they are happy or not. But if you cannot see that the dislike of Markle is immense compared to anything else seen recently then you are truly deluded.

People can’t stand her, for good reason.

R560, if Harry leaves the RF, then Meghan would dump him even quicker. It's the only bargaining chip he has. His $300,000 trust fund won't provide much for a family of three in LA. Maybe a small ranch house or condo in the valley. You know there's NO WAY she would accept that lifestyle.

Pretty farfetched, R560. How much of a windfall could Harry ever get and what would he do outside of the RF? The simplest explanation is usually the correct one - Harry wanted a fun partner who would make his royal role more tolerable. I can see why he chose MM, but he didn't understand that her background and character made her completely unsuitable for her role.

All the praise for her Dior gown - not seeing it. Colour, cut, detail, fabric...just no. The seam running down the top of the entire arm is just horrid.

Harry isn’t going to leave either the UK or the RF. He can’t afford the costs of keeping himself safe, for a start.

My prediction re divorce would be she gets to keep (as a lifetime lease) Toad Hall plus a substantial monthly alimony. No child support as they’ll have joint custody. She’ll rent some place in the US to go when not in the UK and will find a way to get someone else to pay for it.

If he is enough of an embarrassment they could negotiate an annual stipend. Hell he could even marry a very, rich woman, after all he is still would a Prince. Thee are many options without the royal fishbowl.

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The picture on the right at R567 shows exactly how she's going to age.

Iirc, and if reports are credible (and I've always believed that, in matters where the parties are famous and rich, and their divorces or estate settlements are super-publicized in the press, the parties agree on an amount to be leaked to the press, however, the actual amount is never disclosed. For example, Jackie O was reported to have received 26 million in scram dollars from Christina Onassis, but, I think the actual amount was higher but will never be known) Diana received a divorce settlement of around 30 million from Charles.

Again, the actual amount can't be known but that seems about right.

When she was killed, her money was divided between the DoC and the DoS. So, PH has at least some millions of his own that has compounded since her death, right? Why is this $300, 000 a year figure being thrown around?

R569 Diana got £17m from Charles. Wiped him out & he had to borrow from HM.

Yes, R546. It’s a regular and routine occurrence.

“Women have to challenge everywhere in the world”? Eh?

Or maybe they could just find a rich man to marry & spend his family money on clothes. Right, Meghan?

Oh, r570

Well, PH has more dough-ray-mee than a Durfur Orphan, but hardly enough to run in billionaire circles. Whoever earlier wrote that the DoS may have, if they divorce, boxed herself into a corner may be right.

Agree, Della. Diana got a large lump sum as she was going to be the future Queen Mother.

Markle is going to be more like Fergie...reduced to hawking herself around for money.

Here is Part 24 when this thread reaches 600 posts.

R547, while at first I thought those that claimed Meghan was actually sporting QVC style copies of Diana's jewelry, a close-up of Diana wearing the butterfly earrings and MM wearing them show utterly different earrings. The antennae on the butterflies, the angle they're set into the base, the wings - everything is different. Diana's is both more detailed and more subtle/delicate, with more "gleam" to them. Then someone showed a close up of Diana's aquamarine ring and the one Meg wore so conspicuously to the reception that was said to be Diana's and the stone shape is different as is the setting (albeit settings can be altered). While I can't be 100% on the ring, I am on the earrings. Makes me wonder who is scamming who. Did Harry grow a brain and tell Meghan - hey, here are mum's butterfly earrings - not letting her know it was a cheapskate version? Or is Meg having this stuff made? Harry has to know anything he gives to MM he'll never get back.

Diana got a huge lump sum as Charles had a huge lump sum to give. It's not really about her being the future Queen mother, albeit I'm sure they didn't want her hawking herself to the tabloids or selling tell alls.

Fergie was told Andrew had no money.

I imagine Meghan doesn't give a fuck that Harry has no ready money of his own - not pay off a wife money. What Charles provides is discretionary, and Diana's money is in trust (I don't want to even hear about the Queen Mum's so-called trust money). I'm sure all of this is on purpose so family members can't be shaken down when their marriages hit the rocks. Meghan will go straight to "But your father and your grandmother have money and THEY can give it to me." Should be fun.

oh, it's the BBC can't be trusted troll WHO WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY THEORY ABOUT FINANCES BUT HIS OWN.

If ever there was a reason not to discuss money, it's just surfaced again...

R577 Charles did not have a huge lump sum to give, hence borrowing off his mother. And yes...being the mother of the future King was hugely important. A future King growing up in a flat somewhere was not going to happen.

Harry had problems finding a wife not because of the royal fishbowl but because it is widely rumored he is unmarriageable. Temperment, habits, level of spoiledness, level of immaturity and irresponsiblity, etc. And of course the gay/bi element rumored to also be present.

Maybe the RF is grateful that MM is babysitting Harry.

I wonder if he’s cheated on her yet.

Charles had the means of replenishing that huge lump sum (the Duchy of Cornwall) hence he was able to borrow the money and pay it back. None of his siblings have an income-producing Duchy of their own.

William and Henry grew up in Kensington Palace. Diana did not need a huge lump sum to keep that particular roof over their heads.

R579, I warned you. You do not tell R577 anything about the Royal Family's finances.

Can I have your stuff?

R582 - what about those extended trips to Africa with Adam Bidwell. No matter what he is said to be doing there, the visits are so down low that if they're on Sentebale business it doesn't seem to do Sentebale a whole lot of good to receive no publicity. And how come Adam Bidwell is always the Sentebale ambassador at Harry's elbow and not Joss Stone or other celeb notables who are also ambassadors?

R583 If you are too stupid to understand the status of King/Queen Mother & understand that, unlike Fergie, Diana was always going to be a close member of the royal family because of William then you shouldnkt be discussing this at all.

R584.I hear ya. And yes, I shall amend my will in your favour. (It’s all debts, though).

What do people think about that nipple pinching incident? I have always thought that was......odd.

I can't believe fate denied us the soap opera that would've been Charles and Di: CoParenting Divorcees.

Imagine the passive aggression at the kids weddings and grandchildren's christenings.

R586 fuck off. You are the one who says Diana needed the millions so the future king would not be raised in a shack somewhere. She did not need them for that purpose as she had Kensington Palace. That is a fact. Queen Mothers also do not need their own tens of millions. She would always have been provided for. If Charles had not HAD it (via the ability to earn it over again over the long term) her settlement would not have been that substantial.

R481 - don't think she's babysitting him; just pursuing her own agenda and monetizing her marriage as much as she can. However, she is probably the best he can ever get, so what can the BRF be disappointed about, really? They're not tumblr fans, waiting for MM to go away so Harry can marry someone lovely and suitable as Wife 2. If anyone lovely/suitable had been willing to marry Harry he'd have married them. Markle was what he could get. Even non-A-listers took a hard pass.

The more I think of it, post New York, is there anybody who now doubts Tiaragate?

R589 No, you fuck off. You don’t know any more than anyone else so stop pretending that you do.

And do you always present the fucking obvious as if it’s some profound insight? OBVIOUSLY if Charles couldn’t lay his hands on the money Diana wouldn’t have gotten such a large settlement.

There’s a reason Fergie got next to nothing & Diana won the lottery...and that’s status, you igborant twat.

Oh...and the Queen bought Fergie a house but she didn’t like it. So she (HM) was prepared to put her hand in her pocket on Andrews behalf.

Now bore off.

The way that she was dressed today was very disrespectful, esp at the ceremony when the recipient and Dim were both in suits and ties and she looked like she was dressed for the mall, a decade ago. It is insulting.

Well she’s having her Oscar moment, isn’t she? Close enough, anyway.

Her Majesty's thought on that Markle womans outfit

Her Majesty pretending to shoot at her ginger buffoon grandson when he leaves the room.

William showing Charles, The Tig.

Just in time for swim season.

The placement of Dim's chin cleft and beard are most unfortunate at R598.

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I fucking adore that old war horse QE II.

By far, she is my favorite famous person.

Carry on loves.

The PDA is back in full force on this trip ! You see how much we love each other ! Didn’t you know i’m pregnant ? She never learns does she ?