Let's discuss the documentary in this thread.
Leaving Neverland (2019) | Official Trailer | HBO
by Anonymous | reply 605 | March 5, 2019 12:42 PM |
please let us discuss and don't delete this thread.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | February 19, 2019 7:26 PM |
R1 Yes, let's make this one the main thread for discussing the documentary. I hope it won't be deleted like the others.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | February 19, 2019 7:33 PM |
A horror/ tragedy film
by Anonymous | reply 3 | February 19, 2019 7:33 PM |
Dear god, why can't we let this man rest in peace??? That family has been put through the ringer. WHY IS THIS HAPPENING???
by Anonymous | reply 5 | February 19, 2019 8:39 PM |
His victim's voice should be heard.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | February 19, 2019 10:10 PM |
I can’t wait to hear what Bubbles has to say about his enslavement by Michael and how he hated all those outfits with epaulettes.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | February 19, 2019 10:38 PM |
R5 = Janet Jackson
by Anonymous | reply 8 | February 19, 2019 11:45 PM |
R1 This thread will get deleted as well.
I really wish that the media would just stop trying to shit on Michael Jackson's legacy. They made his life in hell and seem contented to destroy him for the accomplishments he made in his lifetime. Despite this hit job by a primarily racist media, it won't make a difference in changing anyone's mind. Those who believe he was a pedophile will feel vindicated, though who don't will credibly question Robson and Safechuck's sketchy pasts to discredit them and those in the middle will still never be entirely sure one way or the other. It's also not going to lead to the public reckoning those like Maureen Dowd wish it would. He'll continue to be praised by the public and played on the radio. This documentary won't change that fact.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | February 19, 2019 11:57 PM |
R9 This thread will get deleted as well.
Why??
by Anonymous | reply 10 | February 20, 2019 12:49 AM |
I remember Wayne Robson testifying that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate to him. Wayne probably did it in exchange for money. But now he wants more money
He's a money grubbing $cumbag. He knew what Michael did to those kids, yet he was more than happy to te$tify in court against those kids
by Anonymous | reply 11 | February 20, 2019 5:03 AM |
We ALL know what MJ did to those kids....its just the die hard looney tunes that disagree.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | February 20, 2019 5:00 PM |
[quote]This thread will get deleted as well.
Yep. There was no excuse to delete the other threads, because they were filled and therefore couldn't be spammed. The webmaster is obviously a MJ stan who acts like this documentary is some figment of somebody's imagination, when it actually exists and is going to be on HBO for millions to see.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | February 20, 2019 6:53 PM |
r10, the OP is a pig who keeps spamming Datalounge with multiple threads on the same topic -- that's why he keeps getting banned.
If he had the decency to keep it in one thread at a time, then we wouldn't have these problems.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | February 20, 2019 7:50 PM |
Didn't HBO shelve this movie indefinitely?
What's the scoop?
by Anonymous | reply 15 | February 20, 2019 7:52 PM |
Nope r15 it will air next week.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | February 20, 2019 7:56 PM |
r11 you are a MJ moron, who has no idea the impact having sex and being groomed by a pedophile has on a child psyche. It wasnt a traumatic event stolen from their mother at night, it was a sick loving relationship , that was sexual between a grown man and child. Who Wade didnt even realize was wrong until 6 YEARS AGO! Thats how strong the conditioning is! Have a seat Moonwalker! Oh poor pedophile, leave him alone... BYE!
by Anonymous | reply 17 | February 20, 2019 7:57 PM |
I took it up the ass and was just fine.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | February 20, 2019 8:01 PM |
[quote]His victim's voice should be heard.
Yes, seedy Wade Rob$on, who went through, as Edina Monsoon so perfectly put it, false memory theory and suddenly got his memories back and demanded money. Sorry, but if it was anyone other than someone like Robson I'd put more credence in this thing. I'm not even a Michael Jackson fan. The guy had like two good albums and did the same dance moves his entire life. I'll pass. This entire thing is as played out as JonBenet Ramsey. Call me when they get the original kid, Jordan Chandler to talk.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | February 20, 2019 8:10 PM |
r19. Yep. claps claps. Victim Shame!!! Seedy Wade... only after money, wanted fame.. wash repeat the same victim shame all mechanical responses give when talking about someone calling out a celeb. Yep. wash repeat. MJ showed no signs AT ALL of being a sick individual. Nothing. No false memory theory moron. No hypnosis... memory recovery.... It was a pleasurable 'loving' sick relationship, who Wade didnt even realize was wrong until 6 years ago. The director spoke on this many times... It wasnt some frightened child, stolen from his mothers arms in a dark ally.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | February 20, 2019 8:14 PM |
What did Michael Jackson and pimples have in common?
They both came all over your face at age 12.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | February 20, 2019 9:20 PM |
Why are threads being deleted? Stop protecting the pedos.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | February 20, 2019 10:23 PM |
Interesting lawsuit the estate has just filed....they are claiming the contract for his 1992 HBO concert had a non-disparagement clause and this new documentary runs afoul of it:
Michael Jackson Estate Accuses HBO of $100 Million Contract Breach
by Anonymous | reply 23 | February 21, 2019 6:28 PM |
interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | February 21, 2019 8:29 PM |
#LeavingNeverland focuses on accusers Wade Robson, James Safechuck and their families. No representatives for Michael Jackson — who was never convicted of sexual abuse — were included.
interview with accusers in today's LA Times.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | February 21, 2019 8:33 PM |
watching the trailer I can't help thinking michael messed with his face to look otherworldly, like some kind of elf or androgynous sprite.
I wonder if he did it to appeal to children. As some kind of Pied Piper as opposed to an ordinary man.
I weirdly understand how the moms for sucked into his "I just need love" bullshit. they were weak and stupid but I get how it might have happened.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | February 21, 2019 8:40 PM |
"watching the trailer I can't help thinking michael messed with his face to look otherworldly, like some kind of elf or androgynous sprite.
I wonder if he did it to appeal to children. As some kind of Pied Piper as opposed to an ordinary man."
No, Michael carved up his face because he thought that he physically resembled his father. He hated his father and didn't want to see his face when he looked in the mirror so Michael went under the knife. Again and again and again.
(Michael Jackson was mentally ill)
by Anonymous | reply 28 | February 21, 2019 8:43 PM |
He gave me Jesus juice and I hardly felt a thing.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | February 21, 2019 8:59 PM |
didnt Macauley Culkin almost openly admit on Mark Maron that he would never rat on MJ for the sake of his children, with whom MC is close?
I can understand that. mj was a master manipulator.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | February 21, 2019 9:02 PM |
What's really revolting is how the mothers of the victims pimped out their kids to be in the social orbit of a celebrity. In a NY times article entitled "The Prince of Pop...and Perversion", Stephanie Safechuck, one the moronic mothers who handed their little boys over to Jackson, burbled about the high life she lived when Michael Jackson fell in love with her child:
"He flies you first class, you have a limo waiting for you at the airport, amazing, you know, it’s a life of the rich and famous,” Mrs. Safechuck gushes in the film, adding: “I got to meet Sean Connery. That was big for me. It was like, ‘Oh my God, Sean Connery!’” She also loved Neverland: “He had a beautiful wine cellar, really good wines, champagne, that was just something I enjoyed — it was a fairy tale every night.” After all, as she says, he was a genius and they were “just nobodies.” Jackson bought them a house after James testified on the singer’s behalf in a trial involving another boy.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | February 21, 2019 9:10 PM |
R23
Update 1:01 PM PT -- HBO has responded to the lawsuit, telling TMZ, "Despite the desperate lengths taken to undermine the film, our plans remain unchanged. HBO will move forward with the airing of LEAVING NEVERLAND, the two-part documentary, on March 3rd and 4th."
They continue, "This will allow everyone the opportunity to assess the film and the claims in it for themselves."
by Anonymous | reply 33 | February 21, 2019 9:30 PM |
[quote]Yep. claps claps. Victim Shame!!!
r19 = Mattress Girl and SJW who went nuts at anyone who doubted Jussie Smollett's story.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | February 21, 2019 9:34 PM |
r34 No Jussie is a liar,!!! But the MJ fans are the worst! Including you! Jussies case stunk from the get go... But Michaels fires wont go away. NO! Go back to listening to Remember The Time you pedo supporting freak!
by Anonymous | reply 35 | February 21, 2019 11:31 PM |
The Youtube comments are all delusional fans slamming the doc and claiming MJ was innocent. Never underestimate the power of celebrity.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | February 21, 2019 11:35 PM |
r36 AMEN! Those youtube comments!!! insane!
by Anonymous | reply 37 | February 21, 2019 11:36 PM |
Even with its limited scope, Leaving Neverland is a harrowing watch
by Anonymous | reply 38 | February 23, 2019 8:10 PM |
‘Leaving Neverland’ Review: Devastating Four-Hour Doc Proves Michael Jackson Sexually Abused Children
You’ll never listen to Michael Jackson the same way again. In fact, you may never listen to Michael Jackson again at all.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | February 23, 2019 8:14 PM |
The family, including Janet, are all, assholes.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | February 23, 2019 8:43 PM |
It is so mind boggling that this documentary finally "proves" that Michael Jackson was a child molester. How could anyone NOT have know that decades ago? How could anyone think that a grown man obsessed with children (boys in particular),who makes his estate an enticing playground for them, who takes boys into his bedroom (which has an alarm to alert him when anyone is approaching) for "sleepovers" could NOT be a child molester?
by Anonymous | reply 41 | February 24, 2019 2:24 AM |
r41 because he sang and danced really well. And he was very innocent. Its the world that took him wrong. The world was and is sick. Not MJ! He was just a little boy in a mans body, innocent and pure, with a lot of money that people wanted to take advantage of.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | February 24, 2019 7:57 AM |
French channel M6 postponed the airing of the documentary after receiving so many complaints from Jacko's fans.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | February 24, 2019 10:45 AM |
An adult man who spends that much time with kids who are not his own, and has those kids sleep with him in his bed is a fucking pedophile. I can't believe people still think MJ is innocent.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | February 24, 2019 12:26 PM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
by Anonymous | reply 46 | February 25, 2019 9:51 AM |
^^^ So many questions! Is this from the documentary? When he said “Fwriends” was that a speech impediment/English as a second language thing or did Michael actually write it that way? Did he call the kid Michael J. naming the kid after himself or did he have the same initials? Was it maybe a gift from the kid to Michael instead, since it was written that way?
by Anonymous | reply 47 | February 25, 2019 12:44 PM |
Does anyone know if this will be on amazon at the same time as hbo or if it will only hit amazon later?
by Anonymous | reply 48 | February 25, 2019 1:03 PM |
I’ll believe it when every other celebrity pedo is given the same level of scrutiny.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | February 25, 2019 2:03 PM |
r49 who are the other celeb pedo's who blatantly created an amusement park like Pinnochios, and lured children there? Who?
by Anonymous | reply 50 | February 26, 2019 6:10 AM |
r48 it will be uploaded to streaming sites as soon as it's broadcast on HBO.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | February 26, 2019 11:54 AM |
For those, like me, who don’t get R50’s allusion. When you assume you make an ass out of you and me.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | February 26, 2019 11:56 AM |
Oprah is gonna have the two men from the documentary on the show. OOh the Moonwalkers are biig maaad! lol GOOD!
by Anonymous | reply 53 | February 27, 2019 6:28 PM |
R53 Oprah is gonna have the two men from the documentary on the show.
Great!
by Anonymous | reply 54 | February 27, 2019 6:37 PM |
We figured we could make a lot of money from this. So what's wrong with a little naked cuddling?
by Anonymous | reply 55 | February 27, 2019 7:07 PM |
HBO made a deal with the director of [italic]Horseface and Ratboy in Nazi Pedo Land[/italic]. That shows where their priorities lie.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | February 27, 2019 7:39 PM |
I wonder what Brooke Shields has to say about all this? Probably something like: "I am shocked! I was his girlfriend for years! He was so loving and attentive to me! This is so unbelievable!"
by Anonymous | reply 57 | February 27, 2019 10:42 PM |
r57 She posed nude at 10 for Sugar and Spice... she should have a lot to say!
by Anonymous | reply 58 | February 28, 2019 3:54 AM |
I thought Brooke was his beard
by Anonymous | reply 59 | February 28, 2019 3:55 AM |
WHERE THE HELL IS THE DOCUMENTARY ALREADY?!?!
by Anonymous | reply 61 | February 28, 2019 1:53 PM |
It airs March 3 and 4 on HBO
by Anonymous | reply 62 | February 28, 2019 2:14 PM |
Oh. Thanks.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | February 28, 2019 2:14 PM |
the Moonwalkers are going loco!
by Anonymous | reply 67 | February 28, 2019 7:45 PM |
"I thought Brooke was his beard."
She was. She was the one who came after HIM. He was the biggest star in the world at the time and she wanted to be associated with him. So she begged him to take her to the Grammys. He didn't want to, but he was a milquetoast, and finally caved in and took her. His other date for the evening was Emmanuel Lewis, who he carried in his arms. Michael wasn't into girls (to say the least) but he was career savvy and realized having a "girlfriend" would be good for his image. And what a girlfriend! The gorgeous teen model Brooke Shields! They were a "couple" for years. When asked about him she'd always say "I love him dearly" but when the child molestation accusations heated up she distanced herself from him. When asked about their relationship he would say they were boyfriend and girlfriend, that is, lovers. But she always stressed they were NEVER more than friends. She hadn't had anything to do with him for years, but popped up to eulogize him at his televised memorial service. Someone should ask her what she thinks of this documentary. I imagine she would feign total ignorance of her "dear friend's" proclivity for sex with little boys.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | February 28, 2019 11:35 PM |
R68 Brooke Shields said that MJ was just a genius child!
by Anonymous | reply 69 | February 28, 2019 11:42 PM |
Abuser. Drug addict. Mentally ill. Had the resources to get better rather than cover his tracks. Don’t listen to his music. Won’t watch the documentary. Next!
by Anonymous | reply 71 | March 1, 2019 2:50 AM |
Can we separate the man from the music, the artist from the art? I think we have to try because there are a lot of good human beings out there who are shitty artists and we don't celebrate their shitty art for them being good people, just like there are a lot of talented artists who are shitty human beings and that should not lessen the quality of their art.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | March 1, 2019 4:31 AM |
R72, fuck you and your snowflake label. You’re not some strong man because you separate the artist and the music. Your whole premise is ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | March 1, 2019 4:51 AM |
"I really wish that the media would just stop trying to shit on Michael Jackson's legacy. "
Jackson is reponsible for including pedophilia as part of his legacy. That's his own shit and it's too much shit to ignore.
The media aided and abetted him for years. He was molesting children in plain sight long before the Jordie Chandler scandal.
The truth eventually came out in this case. Too bad he never went to prison. Too bad he subjected his children to his perversity. Too bad that he and he alone fucked up his legacy.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | March 1, 2019 5:45 AM |
r72... Oh hush thinkin you so evolved Delta! He wasn't an architect or a famous painter of landscapes where his image etc wasnt a part of his art. He sang songs about sex, he was a pedophile! He sang songs about healing the world, he was a pedophile! He sang songs about being victimized by the media, he was a pedophile! He sang songs about love and relationships, he was a pedophile! His art, directly intersects with his character!!!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 75 | March 1, 2019 5:50 AM |
R72 I agree. I do find it amusing that those who claim they can't separate the art from the artist own iPhones/iPads made by Steve Jobs who was a terrible person (he denied the paternity of his daughter even after a DNA test, was behind the wage-fixing scandals in both Silicon Valley and the computer animation industry, used his wealth to jump to the front of Tennessee's liver transplant program (even though he didn't even live in Tennessee), etc)
by Anonymous | reply 76 | March 1, 2019 5:58 AM |
R72 Most people draw a line between child abuse and other shitty behaviour, why does that amuse you?
by Anonymous | reply 77 | March 1, 2019 6:20 AM |
r76 bad example... really bad! false equivalency there!
by Anonymous | reply 78 | March 1, 2019 7:26 AM |
Ugh, apparently this documentary is "explicitly graphic"
by Anonymous | reply 79 | March 1, 2019 1:57 PM |
I’d always thought the worst Jackson did was shit like quietly jerking off while lying next to children but his behavior was apparently much worse. What a fucking monster. Thank God he’s dead.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | March 1, 2019 2:02 PM |
I’m going to watch this. I just hope Wade and James are being honest. There is something about them that rubs me the wrong way and doubt their story, especially wade’s.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | March 1, 2019 2:07 PM |
R81 I know James. I promise you he's being honest. He is a humble, quiet, decent guy- but troubled. I hope against hope that having all this known lifts his burden somewhat. I do not know Wade.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | March 1, 2019 2:24 PM |
I defended James in a YouTube comment. One of the Jackson supporters told me he was glad James was molested because he deserved it.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | March 1, 2019 2:25 PM |
Some of the parents had to know...they had to. Or was Jacko’s star so bright that they too, were blinded? I don’t know what to believe. And predators like Jacko are so slick and manipulative they lie to your face like they breathe. Watch TCAP on YouTube sometimes...when they are caught, some of them are so blasé about it, casually coming up with one lie after another...no doubt he pulled the same shit. But there was no Chris Hansen there to drill him with questions.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | March 1, 2019 3:57 PM |
[quote]I’d always thought the worst Jackson did was shit like quietly jerking off while lying next to children but his behavior was apparently much worse.
It was much worse. According to testimony, MJ had or attempted to have penetrative intercourse with some of the boys.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | March 1, 2019 5:45 PM |
[quote]I defended James in a YouTube comment. One of the Jackson supporters told me he was glad James was molested because he deserved it.
Wow. So in their defense of Jackson, they admitted he was a molester.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | March 1, 2019 7:00 PM |
The real Roger Ebert gave [italic]The Wiz[/italic] three stars.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | March 1, 2019 7:40 PM |
r72 and r76 sitting in a tree, kissing and jacking to "P.Y.T."
by Anonymous | reply 89 | March 1, 2019 8:13 PM |
"Beat it" he rhymes with "defeated"? That's worse than "lady" and "baby".
by Anonymous | reply 90 | March 1, 2019 8:32 PM |
I have heard people say...especially black people... WE WONT LET YOU TAKE HIM! First you took Bill Cosby... then you took R kelly... Now you wanna take Michael Jackson legacy? SMH
by Anonymous | reply 91 | March 1, 2019 8:55 PM |
Just because a documentary is well presented and emotionally powerful does not make it true. It's troubling that it's so one sided and that Wade Robson has a ton of credibility issues.
[quote] Who Wade didnt even realize was wrong until 6 YEARS AGO! Thats how strong the conditioning is!
Can someone really rationalize something as awful as sexual abuse? Sexual grooming is one thing, but actual abuse is not something that needs to be recovered. If that happens to you as a child, you would never forget it, let alone for 20 or so years.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | March 1, 2019 9:44 PM |
If they lied then, how do we know they're not lying now?
by Anonymous | reply 93 | March 1, 2019 9:46 PM |
R92 Which brings me to my main point, if they were lying about the actual abuse, why should we trust them when they said they were groomed?
by Anonymous | reply 94 | March 1, 2019 9:47 PM |
And why are the parents never implicated in these cases? They basically pimped their kids out to him.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | March 1, 2019 9:51 PM |
r92.... THEY DIDNT forget it! My god... particularly with young kids who were being groomed and indoctrinated into believing that these acts were normal, loving, nothing sinister... it takes a very long time to process. They weren't stolen from their mothers crying and screaming in the back alley during the dead of night. It's a complicated thing!
Common sentiments from people who were sexually abused goes as follows. These arent from the men from the Docu btw.
" I was in denial, and partly because I was protective of the abuser and felt bad about the trouble I was getting him in. He was a friend of mine, and I cared about him. '
'Honestly, it took me decades to come to terms with my sexual assault. I was really young and didn’t understand at the time and didn’t really talk about it until last year'
'Dealing with sexual assault isn't always linear. My levels of understanding and ability to process my childhood sexual assault changed over the years. Now I'm in my thirties and having this sudden freakout about the fact that it was a family member - and which family member - and just how terribly young I was, and none of this was new but my ability to go through it in my head has changed and some nights, my skin just crawls.'
'It took me 25 years to process what happened to me, and i sometimes wonder where I would've been if it hadn't happened to me.'
by Anonymous | reply 96 | March 1, 2019 9:55 PM |
R92 r93. You are a disgusting human being like most Jacko wacko fans.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | March 1, 2019 9:59 PM |
Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | March 1, 2019 10:06 PM |
Michael Jackson was anything but milquetoast. He probably decided to give into Brooke in order to deflect attention away from his special "friends."
by Anonymous | reply 99 | March 1, 2019 10:16 PM |
r96. don't waste your time trying to talk logic with the Jackoloons.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | March 1, 2019 10:18 PM |
I feel sorry for Jacko's kids, especially Paris. They never asked for a pedo as a father.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | March 1, 2019 10:33 PM |
r101 I wonder if Paris is in denial. She has opened up about battling depressing and being a sexual assault survivor herself. So I wonder how she feels when those accusations are against her father.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | March 1, 2019 10:35 PM |
r102 depression not depressing! ugh
by Anonymous | reply 103 | March 1, 2019 10:37 PM |
Thank you [R96] and [R98], really.
Looking through the lens of today, I believe a lot of us now understand better what we're looking at when we see stories about predators...the monsters who are child molesters. They are monsters.
Look, I was a fan and had a crush on him...when I was ten years old and roughly the same age as MJ. But as I grew up it was hard to ignore that things about him and his life were way af off, which is a gross understatement. I didn't know him, anyone associated with him and can prove nothing one way or the other. But you just can't ignore the inappropriateness (again, major understatement) of his behavior with children.
But even through the lens of yesterday, I still can--and can't-- understand how parents let themselves be seduced by celebrity enough to endanger their own children in the process. I can, because we understand now the insidious tactics such predators use. I can't, because, you know, your kids, hello. I mean, I just watched that documentary "Abducted In Plain Sight" and regardless of what people knew or didn't know about pedophiles back in the early Seventies (as metioned by the FBI guy in the documentary) the parents had enough sense (well, not actually enough to protect their daughter) to feel that some of the things that Berchtold told them sounded strange. What do we all get taught--go with your damn gut and usually it won't lead you wrong. What makes us ignore our gut feelings? I'm not victim shaming the children, I'm talking about the parents. We're human, I get it--celebrity and brushes with it can be intoxicating. And okay. I can whore my grown ass out all I want to, but someone coming for my kids and me letting them have them? No. I don't get that. Even through the lens of yesterday.
I'm not trying to be holier than thou here and I don't think I'm explaining myself well, but all of this to say you don't hear these types of rumors for forty years and something of them is not true. No, MJ is not here to defend himself, does that mean that these men are not entitled to give their side of their stories? People can watch and believe what they want to or not. I'm glad HBO is going ahead.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | March 1, 2019 10:50 PM |
r104 amen :)
by Anonymous | reply 105 | March 1, 2019 10:57 PM |
Even the most die hard Jackson fanatics are finding something to think about after watching this documentary.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | March 1, 2019 10:59 PM |
But, are the diehard stans really going to watch it?
by Anonymous | reply 107 | March 1, 2019 11:37 PM |
Michael Jackson’s child brides
by Anonymous | reply 108 | March 1, 2019 11:52 PM |
It's quite jarring when you see all the photos of Michael Jackson and one young boy after another over the years. Holding hands, the boys were always sitting on his lap, etc. They traveled everywhere with him. An adult man does not do any of that unless the boy is his own son. In retrospect, it was all plain as day but people just didn't want to believe it.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | March 2, 2019 12:05 AM |
r109. Yep. The MJ fans excuse is... ITS YOU WHO IS THE SICKO, Michael was a child at heart, and it was all innocent....
by Anonymous | reply 110 | March 2, 2019 12:34 AM |
It is crazy, r110. Celebrities are not gods, they're just like everyone else but some people just can't see that. MJ was so obviously inappropriate (to put it mildly) with all of those boys, but his nutjob fans are in total denial.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | March 2, 2019 12:37 AM |
Slightly off topic, but dear lord, Wade Robson is HOT!
by Anonymous | reply 112 | March 2, 2019 12:46 AM |
R41 I knew since 1988 that MJ was into boys. I kept wondering why no one else seemed to know this. Then in 1993 the Jordy Chandler case broke. Also, I feel certain that Mac Culkin did participate in some degree of sexual activity with MJ but will not talk about it for his own personal reasons. I feel MJ's music should still be listened to and enjoyed as before. Just keep separate the music from the sexual allegations. I don't believe in erasing art from history.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | March 2, 2019 1:09 AM |
Maccullary culkin defiantly enjoyed it and then grew out of it as he remained close with him even became Paris godfather.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | March 2, 2019 2:22 AM |
Director of Finding Neverland Interview
Its a great q and a. Read it guys. But heres to the Jackson loons who keep saying they are doing this for money.... And they tried to 'sue' etc etc.
Wade and James went to the courts first and tried to go through legal means to tell their story, but their cases were dismissed. When that happens, it often seems like the only court left open to victims is the court of public opinion. Did they express any frustration knowing that the legal avenue was denied to them?
I don’t see this as trial by television or the court of public opinion, [because] I don’t think that we’re putting Michael Jackson on trial. We are telling the story of these two young men. As I see it, their lawsuit against the Jackson estate is primarily about getting a platform to put their story on the record and hold all the people who looked the other way to account. I think having the case dismissed by the judge was upsetting. * Now, the judge made it very clear that the cases were not being dismissed because of anything to do with the allegations of child sex abuse. It was a technical [ruling] on whether the case could be brought under California law against the corporation in this way. The cases have gone to appeal, so the litigation is still ongoing and it may very well be that this could go to trial, which could be very interesting.** -0----- But remember that I approached them. I was the one who came to them out of the blue, so I don’t think it’s fair to suggest that this is somehow part of their lawyer’s strategy to share their story.---
One of the charges that’s often leveled at abuse victims who speak out is that they’re only looking for money. Where does that impulse come from — to imply that there’s some kind of financial gain?
And there’s obviously no financial gain in the documentary. It’s part of the strategy of misdirection that the Jackson camp has employed for the last two decades: “Look how dreadful these people are and how they want money,” instead of, “Let’s consider for a second, whether these children — who are saying the most dreadful things — could have been victims of a crime. Let’s hear what they have to say.” Now, it’s true that if Wade and James won their civil case, there would be damages, but that’s part of the legal set up you have in this country. If someone does something really bad to you and they get tried in a criminal court, they go to jail. We don’t accuse someone who’s looking for justice because a relative has been murdered of just wanting to lock people up. So what the Jackson camp is saying is kind of absurd, and they don’t seem to have watched the film as far as I can tell. I’m really wondering what they’re going to say when they do. Because at some point, someone has to ask: What did they know? What did they think Michael was doing with those little boys?
Just to clarify something you said, because people will undoubtedly make this accusation: Wade and James weren’t paid to participate in this documentary? No, they weren’t. There’s no financial benefit whatsoever. I don’t think I’m allowed to buy them lunch.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | March 2, 2019 3:28 AM |
off topic Wade Robson is gay he bearded with Britney in 2001 - 2002. Britney is also a closet case.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | March 2, 2019 4:50 AM |
California judge has dismissed the latest lawsuit on technical grounds, rather than ruling on the veracity of Wade Robson's claims.
It was decided that only the now-deceased Jackson, not his estate or business interests, could be held responsible for his alleged abuse. Plus, [bold]Robson's suit was filed after the statute of limitations had expired[/bold].
by Anonymous | reply 117 | March 2, 2019 4:56 AM |
Michael Jackson's accusers describe graphic details of alleged abuse
by Anonymous | reply 118 | March 2, 2019 4:59 AM |
What's brown and smells like Jordan Chandler?
Michael Jackson's finger.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | March 2, 2019 5:11 AM |
comment by Jackson fantard under the video at R118
[quote]Who gives a damn you got paid already....your parents allowed it.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | March 2, 2019 5:11 AM |
Michael's favorite store, Walmart. Boy's underwear, half off!
by Anonymous | reply 121 | March 2, 2019 5:33 AM |
R91 I hear and read that exact thing all the time.
If I were black, I would be embarrassed to admit that I still held three undeniable slime balls in high esteem. . I would just let it go.
And before some one pops off with "What about…?" who is white. Yes, we have many white perverts and creeps. But I can't think of a one who anyone adores and near worships.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | March 2, 2019 5:50 AM |
Has anyone ever sworn that he did something specific like, "Then he put his penis in my mouth"?
by Anonymous | reply 123 | March 2, 2019 5:53 AM |
Well to vindicate themselves if the are here to just tell thier story. They should say "we are not doing this for the money, any money we receive will go directly to the child abuse organization". That will silence anyone who thinks they're doing it for monetary gain.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | March 2, 2019 7:20 AM |
The lid should have been blown of this many years ago but the boys were still far to young to understand what happened to them, a 7 year old is obviously going to carry trauma for the rest of their lives. I used to feel sorry for Jackson's remaining fans, but after watching their videos and open support of pedophilia they are disgusting. Pure scum.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | March 2, 2019 7:32 AM |
This is the typical Michael supporter. A pitying white frau. Middle aged, probably has kids of her own... Openly supporting accused pedo. And notice the gulping down the wine between declarations that "she's done the research". Yes honey, keep on sipping that wine... You're going to need it by tomorrow.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | March 2, 2019 7:45 AM |
Michael was a disgusting manipulative child fucker. If they defend him, his fans should hang their heads in shame.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | March 2, 2019 8:02 AM |
Eee Hee! Fuck the Jacksons.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | March 2, 2019 8:11 AM |
To celebrate the documentary, McDonald's has just announced a special limited time 'McJackson' burger which consists of a 50-year-old piece of meat in-between two seven-year-old buns.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | March 2, 2019 9:50 AM |
R122 'Yes, we have many white perverts and creeps. But I can't think of a one who anyone adores and near worships.' Trump falls into the white worshipped pervert/creep category. Jackson will fade from public consciousness in five or ten years, his music is not so great as to have lasted through the ages in any case. If he is remembered at all in the future it will be as a con trickster who fooled the public into condoning his perversion.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | March 2, 2019 10:15 AM |
R123, yes. Jordan Chandler (whose family settled with Jackson) alleged very specific sexual acts in his 1993 civil suit. I assume that Robson and Safechuck alleged specific acts in their lawsuits as well.
People routinely question the parents' actions with Jackson, as they have with R. Kelly. I think in both cases it's clear that for many people--maybe even most--the lure of money and celebrity is overwhelming.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | March 2, 2019 12:32 PM |
MJ lost his ass playing blackjack in Vegas because he wouldn't hit on anything over seven.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | March 2, 2019 12:37 PM |
It’s cumming. Tonight’s the night.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | March 2, 2019 12:51 PM |
Oh wait it starts tomorrow. Goddammit.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | March 2, 2019 12:52 PM |
Independent: Louis Theroux interview: ‘Michael Jackson had unhealthy interests in children, but I didn’t have enough victim testimony to put forward a forensic case’
by Anonymous | reply 135 | March 2, 2019 1:00 PM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
by Anonymous | reply 136 | March 2, 2019 1:01 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 137 | March 2, 2019 1:05 PM |
I’ll believe they’re serious about stopping child molestation and rape when [italic]The Cosby Show[/italic] leaves reruns.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | March 2, 2019 1:15 PM |
Bedtime at Neverland Ranch was whenever the big hand touched the little hand.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | March 2, 2019 1:29 PM |
Countdown to Paris Jackson's suicide in 3... 2... 1...
by Anonymous | reply 140 | March 2, 2019 1:34 PM |
R140 Why?
by Anonymous | reply 141 | March 2, 2019 1:40 PM |
The standard of proof for sex crimes in U.S. law combined with our twisted Puritanical attitudes towards sexuality and worship of wealth and success makes people like MJ almost impossible to prosecute successfully. That's probably as it should be, because there are liars out there. But serial sexual predators shouldn't have the power to cover for themselves. At least allow people to talk about what actually happened to them.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | March 2, 2019 2:03 PM |
R141 because she was unstable enough before this, and it's not like she has a good family to fall back on for moral support. Her vast amount of money will only give her that many ways to self destruct. Can you imagine what it's like from her warped perspective? It would even be horrendous for a well balanced person from a good stable healthy family, who has to work for a living rather than navel-gaze 24/7.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | March 2, 2019 2:05 PM |
Why did Michael Jackson go to a cave?
He heard it was full of minors.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | March 2, 2019 2:21 PM |
Why did Michael Jackson cross the road?
Because Webster was on the other side.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | March 2, 2019 3:10 PM |
What was Michael Jackson's favorite nursery rhyme?
Little Boy Blew
by Anonymous | reply 146 | March 2, 2019 3:12 PM |
How did Michael Jackson get food poisoning?
He ate a nine year-old wiener.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | March 2, 2019 3:20 PM |
White men have been raping black Women for centuries.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | March 2, 2019 3:36 PM |
Did you hear about the educational organization Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor set up? The Ignited Negro College Fund!
by Anonymous | reply 149 | March 2, 2019 4:30 PM |
R148, exactly what does that have to do with Michael Jackson raping boys?
by Anonymous | reply 150 | March 2, 2019 4:34 PM |
R148 Oh please. They used them for sex when they owned them. Most white man wouldn't touch a black chick who isn't a smoking hot light sin with a 10 foot pole.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | March 2, 2019 4:41 PM |
skin not sin^^^
by Anonymous | reply 152 | March 2, 2019 4:41 PM |
I watched all the Gayle King promos and clearly she and Oprah are all over this.
Was it ever established why Michael was a pedo? Was it because he himself was sexually molested as a child?
by Anonymous | reply 153 | March 2, 2019 7:20 PM |
R72 is original and clever in its use of “snowflake”. I’ve never heard anything like that before. What an imagination.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | March 2, 2019 7:34 PM |
the Jackson fans are obsessed and crazed, its best to ignore them.
Yes poor poor Micahel never had a childhood and had to sleep with little boys as an adult as a result. He slept for 6 consecutive months EVERY SINGLE NIGHT with Evan Chandler in his parents Brentwood house................explain away that one to me................For all you fans.......the guy screwed little boys and he was a drug addict with the unheard of hard core addiction to a intravenous anesthesia drug used in surgical procedures...............can a human being get any more perverted and degenerate than that combination?
by Anonymous | reply 155 | March 2, 2019 7:51 PM |
It's too bad because "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough" is one of the best pop tunes in the world and it's forever tainted.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | March 2, 2019 7:55 PM |
It’s sad seeing the Jackson nephew defend Michael, when he barely knew him and was not chosen for sexy times.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | March 2, 2019 7:57 PM |
Maybe MJ chose kids for sex because he could completely control them. Creepy.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | March 2, 2019 7:59 PM |
[quote]he was a drug addict with the unheard of hard core addiction to a intravenous anesthesia drug used in surgical procedures
I don't think he was being injected with Propofol because he was addicted to it. Who gets addicted to anesthesia!? He was trying to get some sleep which--as someone who's had trouble sleeping my entire adult life--I can understand given the pressure MJ was under at the time. A person can get very desperate when he is sleep deprived. Ultimately the whole anesthesia thing was his crooked doctor's fault for prescribing and administering it to him. It's not like you can just go out and buy Propofol on the street.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | March 2, 2019 8:29 PM |
I can’t help listening to some of his music as odious a human being as he was....
by Anonymous | reply 160 | March 2, 2019 8:38 PM |
No. He was addicted to the anesthesia because it made him unconscious.
I don’t know how anyone can sexualize a 7 year old. They don’t really have erections or ejaculate. He was a pervert.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | March 2, 2019 9:01 PM |
LOL at Jackson’s suing HBO for $100 million. They will not get a penny.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | March 2, 2019 9:18 PM |
[quote] He was addicted to the anesthesia because it made him unconscious.
I think because there was no nose left on his face he had breathing problem and couldn't sleep without that drug?
by Anonymous | reply 163 | March 2, 2019 9:23 PM |
Yes.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | March 2, 2019 9:32 PM |
There is no more plausible deniability. It happened. Time and time again. "Can we still enjoy his music? " Is a question you can ask. But "was he is serial child molester?" is not. You'd sound as insane as a flat earther at this point.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | March 2, 2019 10:34 PM |
First of all who is the sick troll making all the pedo jokes?? None of which are funny and all of which are disgusting. Next, I can't believe there's a function adult left in the world who does not know without a doubt that the piece of shot was a sick fucking boy diddler. Grown sane men don't have a lot in common with little boys they are not related to and most don't feel an urge to hang around them as a preference over other adults. I too have a hard time listening to his music. I won't deny its greatness but there is a line, for me anyway, for how well I can separate the art from the artist. Rape and pedophilia I just can't get past the dispicable magnitude of those crimes.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | March 2, 2019 10:43 PM |
Oprah stand with accusers. The links to the youtube clips of the interview Oprah had airing on Monday, on HBO, my god. the comment sections! MJ fans.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | March 3, 2019 1:43 AM |
R112 Wade and James both became hot daddies. It's too bad they didn't end up doing porn or modeling instead of trying to extort the Jackson estate.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | March 3, 2019 2:58 AM |
They seem very credible. There is no good explanation why a grown man slept with boy children not in his family and rigged alarms so he would not be caught.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | March 3, 2019 3:02 AM |
I don't know how anyone can watch this video and not have at least doubts as to the credibility of the accusers. This whole thing was reportedly set in motion when Katharine Jackson sued AEG.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | March 3, 2019 3:03 AM |
The Jackson family is in denial. Clearly they were not close to Michael and turned a blind eye to his boy diddling.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | March 3, 2019 3:06 AM |
[quote]First of all who is the sick troll making all the pedo jokes??
Honey, you're on the wrong forum.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | March 3, 2019 3:07 AM |
Jesus, Oprah is fucking HUGE.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | March 3, 2019 3:08 AM |
"Who gets addicted to anesthesia!?"
Michael Jackson did, apparently. He craved it. He would call it his "milk (Propofol has a milky consistency to it)." I imagine it knocked him out pretty good, which is what he wanted. But it was anesthesia, not a sleep aid. Coming out of heavy anesthesia is not pleasant. He must have thought it was worth it, because he kept a crooked doctor on hand to give it to him whenever he wanted it. I guess his life must have been pretty unbearable if he needed a surgical anesthetic to "sleep."
by Anonymous | reply 174 | March 3, 2019 3:09 AM |
Hi, everyone, it's R72 again. I'm back! Would any else like to attack me for my post?
by Anonymous | reply 175 | March 3, 2019 5:18 AM |
The Jackson fans are really something else. Everything is one big conspiracy to them...
by Anonymous | reply 177 | March 3, 2019 5:44 AM |
I'm disappointed that they didn't interview Bubbles for the Leaving Neverland documentary. He should have been right up there with Wade and James.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | March 3, 2019 5:47 AM |
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by Anonymous | reply 179 | March 3, 2019 5:54 AM |
R177 The MJ critics can sound just as delusional as his most rabid defenders. While you may think MJ's behavior is weird, as do many of his fans openly admit, what I find even weirder is that how a nearly twenty year investigation did not produce a single smoking gun. The irony is that MJ didn't even need Robson's testimony in 2005. The evidence against the Arvizos was so overwhelming even when you factored in all the evidence that was seized by the FBI. Robson's story has changed numerous times just in the last few years. The video from R170 also clearly establishes a motive. I'm not surprised that Oprah has jumped the bandwagon. She did say that we should believe all women after all. I would assume someone making such a statement would hardly be swayed by nuance.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | March 3, 2019 5:59 AM |
It produced a lot of smoking guns. Plus I hate that phrase. What would be a smoking gun to you? Him giving some 9 year old a cream pie on video?
by Anonymous | reply 181 | March 3, 2019 6:01 AM |
r181... amen!
by Anonymous | reply 182 | March 3, 2019 6:09 AM |
Happy that NRK is showing the documentary too, it will be aired March 10th.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | March 3, 2019 7:00 AM |
I cannot read more than three comments of the MJ stans before I want to wring their necks or shake them.
"Michael was too good for this world!"
"If he was a pedophile, there would be thousands of victims. not 5 or 6"
But it all eventually comes down to "This I all about taking Michael's money."
by Anonymous | reply 184 | March 3, 2019 9:18 AM |
You could just look at the metamorphosis of Jackson from his "Off the Wall " album to the end of his career and see for yourself how sick this individual was. The destruction of his face, the constant need to have small boys around him, carrying them like they were some kind of accessory to the gringe worthy dates and kisses with women. The interview with Basheer showed how absolutely damaged Jackson was. I was such a big fan by the time Thriller came out but found him beyond creepy that he traveled exclusively with these young boys. Shame on the entire Jackson clan for allowing him to do that
by Anonymous | reply 185 | March 3, 2019 10:28 AM |
[quote]First of all who is the sick troll making all the pedo jokes?? None of which are funny and all of which are disgusting.
Then when is [italic]Family Guy[/italic], the show that depicts pedos and military deserters in a more positive light than Republicans, getting cancelled?
by Anonymous | reply 186 | March 3, 2019 10:34 AM |
Now I know why Gary Coleman and Ricky Schroder were never part of MJ’s entourage: they would have been more likely to say no then go and tell.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | March 3, 2019 10:38 AM |
[quote]Jesus, Oprah is fucking HUGE.
And with Weight Watchers, she demonstrates the same magic touch that made hits out of [italic]Beloved[/italic], the [italic]Brewster Place[/italic] TV pilot, and [Italic]A Wrinkle in Time[/italic].
by Anonymous | reply 188 | March 3, 2019 10:47 AM |
Holy shit, NRK is criticizing the documentary. They said that if NRK had produced the movie then they would have gotten new comments from the family. They will therefore have posters with text after the two parts, where the Jackson family's comments to and criticizing of the movie is referenced.
by Anonymous | reply 189 | March 3, 2019 10:53 AM |
Ugh, just read a comment from a Jackson fan. He said the FBI raided his home and found zero evidence and this means MJ was totally innocent. Despite the fact that he had to pay off the victims with money during the trial, go figure!
by Anonymous | reply 190 | March 3, 2019 11:01 AM |
So. Trump’s lawyer paid off Stormy.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | March 3, 2019 11:23 AM |
Exactly, R191. The Jackson fans are fucking idiots.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | March 3, 2019 11:26 AM |
Items Found in 1993 – Pedophile Books and Naked Photos
A little known fact was that some items of evidence were found in Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch in a 1993 raid. These items seem to have been overlooked by the media, probably because the file below was not released publicly until 4th of October 2006, well after the end of the trial.
The items of interest are
Read more at the link below
by Anonymous | reply 193 | March 3, 2019 11:40 AM |
Isn’t John Waters credited with a review blurb for an anti-MJ book that goes into the allegations in greater detail, about as much as the law will allow?
by Anonymous | reply 194 | March 3, 2019 12:17 PM |
The parents should have been charged for trafficking.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | March 3, 2019 3:40 PM |
R188 A good argument could be made that Oprah is almost singularly responsible for the dumbing down of our culture and our obsession with feelings.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | March 3, 2019 3:50 PM |
BBC2 radio has banned Michael Jackson music in wake on the Leaving Neverland doc. At least someone has the guts to stand up to this monster
by Anonymous | reply 197 | March 3, 2019 3:51 PM |
I love his music. Banning it is a bit too much for me. But this is England we’re talking about.
Are they going to ban Bryan Singer’s movies from playing on television?
by Anonymous | reply 198 | March 3, 2019 3:54 PM |
[quote]First of all who is the sick troll making all the pedo jokes?? None of which are funny and all of which are disgusting.
That's like you're opinion, man!
Here's another one for ya: Why did MJ like twenty-seven-year-olds? Because there were twenty of them!
by Anonymous | reply 199 | March 3, 2019 4:04 PM |
*your
by Anonymous | reply 200 | March 3, 2019 4:05 PM |
The Jackson stans need to wake up and smell the baby oil
by Anonymous | reply 201 | March 3, 2019 4:17 PM |
How ridiculous for anyone to even think that there was no "smoking guns" I hate the description too. Ummm everything about his home, what's inside of it including secret rooms, safes and other locked secret file cabinets not to mention the parading around with little boys like he was their first boyfriend. And if the items recovered from Neverland were so innocent and simply art why the need to vault them until lock and key like they are a matter of National Security. The MJ trolls simply can't all be DL regulars. It's hard for me to believe we have that many clueless humans here.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | March 3, 2019 4:47 PM |
I don't understand one thing, if pictures and books with naked children in compromising situations were taken from Jackson's house in the raid, why wasn't he at least arrested for that?
by Anonymous | reply 203 | March 3, 2019 4:49 PM |
Because it wasn't porn, just pictures of naked boys in vaguely erotic situations. Disgusting af but not illegal.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | March 3, 2019 5:03 PM |
Yeah, I think they were dismissed as art books. The Jackson family gave always been dysfunctional liars that enabled Michael’s pedophilia because they leeched off his wealth and fame.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | March 3, 2019 5:07 PM |
BTW just the fact, acknowledged by even some of them who claim they were not abused by MJ, that he showed pornographic movies to the children while they were in the bedroom with him, is highly alarming. Why would an adult man do that?
by Anonymous | reply 206 | March 3, 2019 5:07 PM |
[quote][R188] A good argument could be made that Oprah is almost singularly responsible for the dumbing down of our culture and our obsession with feelings.
So I’m off the hook then?
by Anonymous | reply 207 | March 3, 2019 5:12 PM |
[quote]Yeah, I think they were dismissed as art books. The Jackson family gave always been dysfunctional liars that enabled Michael’s pedophilia because they leeched off his wealth and fame.
The same can and should be argued about Nick and Aaron Carter’s family, but since they’re white nothing will be done about it.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | March 3, 2019 5:13 PM |
Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch Back On The Sales Market
by Anonymous | reply 209 | March 3, 2019 5:15 PM |
Why was he not arrested for showing kids porn? I know that is DEFINITELY illegal.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | March 3, 2019 5:20 PM |
Because he was a wealthy celebrity and got away with it.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | March 3, 2019 5:24 PM |
Who would want to buy a property that was the site of child abuse?
by Anonymous | reply 212 | March 3, 2019 5:38 PM |
Does anybody know what time it hits HBO Go?
by Anonymous | reply 213 | March 3, 2019 5:53 PM |
Robson, and possibly Safechuck, may have some credibility issues, but that video at R170 is terrible. It makes all kinds of leaps and assumptions without evidence.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | March 3, 2019 6:03 PM |
[quote]BBC2 radio has banned Michael Jackson music because he’s black while leaving white pedos, white wife beaters, white rapists, and white criminals untouched.
Fixed.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | March 3, 2019 6:08 PM |
Why didn’t Pepsi ever get charged with criminal endangerment because of the fire in his hair from that commercial.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | March 3, 2019 6:10 PM |
The saddest part is the parents were bought off with houses, trips and jewelry.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | March 3, 2019 6:11 PM |
If you stop listening to MJ because of this, then you damn fucking well better stop listening to those fucking Beatles since John Lennon beat his first wife.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | March 3, 2019 6:13 PM |
And don’t get me started on Frank Sinatra. The keyword is “sin.”
by Anonymous | reply 220 | March 3, 2019 6:14 PM |
[quote]The saddest part is the parents were bought off with houses, trips and jewelry.
And that’s why [italic]Gimme A Break![/italic] has held up better than [italic]Diff’rent Strokes[/italic] or [italic]Webster[/italic]: it’s an admission that whites are dangerously unqualified to raise children.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | March 3, 2019 6:16 PM |
As opposed to the shady Jacksons? LOL
by Anonymous | reply 222 | March 3, 2019 6:19 PM |
I think most of mj fans are adults who were molested as children but are in denial. I have noticed that damaged people are drawn to famous people who have a lot in common with their abusers. If some of you doubt me just look at his freakish fans. Most look unstable like they are victims of child abuse themselves.
by Anonymous | reply 223 | March 3, 2019 6:21 PM |
Molesting children is a terrible crime. Not believing them does much more damage. I don't believe in hell. If there was one...MJ surely belongs there.
by Anonymous | reply 224 | March 3, 2019 6:22 PM |
R223 They must be childless. They only need to hold up their newborn babies so they can be flooded with repressed memories.
by Anonymous | reply 225 | March 3, 2019 6:26 PM |
[quote]Bedtime at Neverland Ranch was whenever the big hand touched the little hand.
Your terrible, Muriel.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | March 3, 2019 6:32 PM |
[quote] Robson, and possibly Safechuck, may have some credibility issues, but that video at [R170] is terrible. It makes all kinds of leaps and assumptions without evidence.
I found the video very compelling, especially in regard to Robson. Here's the thing. I feel bad for both Robson and Safechuck and do think that Jackson exposing them to a life of such excess was probably unhealthy and probably produced a sense of entitlement. I do think Jackson is at fault in this regard, no matter how well intentioned he was. As an adult mentor, you don't want to encourage others to dream big. However, even as I can empathize with their struggles through adulthood having gone through it myself, I can still find their accusations of sexual abuse not credible.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | March 3, 2019 6:33 PM |
[quote] As an adult mentor, you don't want to encourage others to dream big.
You do want to....
by Anonymous | reply 228 | March 3, 2019 6:34 PM |
Can't wait to watch the documentary!
by Anonymous | reply 229 | March 3, 2019 6:39 PM |
Ugh, Michael Jackson was not well intentioned. He was a serial sexual predator who had sex with male children aged 7-12.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | March 3, 2019 6:40 PM |
Did you hear about the Michael Jackson sandwich?
It's 40 year-old meat between two 10 year-old buns.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | March 3, 2019 6:45 PM |
Isn't this why the Home Alone kid is so messed up? He was probably at least finger banged by Mike.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | March 3, 2019 6:47 PM |
It's very telling that a worldwide music superstar spent as much time luring, "romancing" and pursuing young boys like a rich older tycoon or politician would pursue a younger woman. Gifts, trips, expensive jewelry and shopping and the always important for a wooing troll ----helping and impressing the prey's family.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | March 3, 2019 6:53 PM |
I stopped being an MJ fan after the repeated surgeries to fuck up his face That seemed like a giant cry for help. I was a kid when he went to trial over the first reports of child molestation
by Anonymous | reply 235 | March 3, 2019 8:17 PM |
It will be interesting to see what eventually happens to the Neverland ranch with its history and questionable architecture. I'm assuming it will be bulldozed and converted into cheap housing.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | March 3, 2019 8:31 PM |
I don’t get the jewelry? What 10 year old white kid is like “Yea!, bring on the big clunky rings, sparkly bracelets and gold chains!”
by Anonymous | reply 237 | March 3, 2019 9:20 PM |
The Bashier (sp) documentary should be the only evidence anyone needed.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | March 3, 2019 9:21 PM |
[quote]I took it up the ass and was just fine.
You sure about that R18?
by Anonymous | reply 239 | March 3, 2019 9:55 PM |
Elizabeth Taylor knew.
by Anonymous | reply 241 | March 3, 2019 10:05 PM |
Pervert! I am glad radio stations won’t play his music anymore.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | March 3, 2019 10:07 PM |
R242 Doubtful.
by Anonymous | reply 243 | March 3, 2019 10:16 PM |
If he loved children so much, where were all the little girls that were lavished with attention and gifts?
by Anonymous | reply 244 | March 3, 2019 10:21 PM |
What did Michael and Santa have in common?
They both left little boy's rooms with empty sacks.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | March 3, 2019 10:39 PM |
Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings.
The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom was a serious security zone covered by video and wired for sound so that the steps of anyone approaching would make ding-dong sounds.
Two of the fathers of those who have accused Jackson, Jordie Chandler and Jimmy Safechuck, committed suicide. Both were estranged from their sons at the time.
by Anonymous | reply 246 | March 3, 2019 10:50 PM |
r218 yep! The parents of boys Jackson shared beds with were courted assiduously and given myriad expensive gifts. Wade Robson’s mother testified in the 2005 trial that she funneled wages through Jackson’s company and was given a permanent resident visa. Jimmy Safechuck’s parents got a house. Jordie Chandler’s mother got a diamond bracelet.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | March 3, 2019 10:52 PM |
Wow, selling your son for a tacky diamond bracelet? How sad. At least the one got a house.
by Anonymous | reply 248 | March 3, 2019 11:24 PM |
Yes, but diamonds last forever and are a girl's best friend.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | March 3, 2019 11:28 PM |
Neverland was a pedophile version of the Playboy Mansion.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | March 3, 2019 11:48 PM |
IT’S FINALLY HERE!
by Anonymous | reply 252 | March 4, 2019 12:01 AM |
This shit is already depressing.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | March 4, 2019 12:03 AM |
Watching. Interesting they got rights to Thriller.
by Anonymous | reply 254 | March 4, 2019 12:06 AM |
Michael was a fucking monster. Poor Wade.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | March 4, 2019 12:09 AM |
R254, I don't think they did. They can use clips of it under the fair use doctrine, the estate can't stop them.
by Anonymous | reply 256 | March 4, 2019 12:10 AM |
R236: my thoughts exactly. That property is doomed, a developer will bulldoze it and turn it into condos/retail space.
by Anonymous | reply 257 | March 4, 2019 12:12 AM |
Wow. Michael Jackson really had a type, didn't he?
by Anonymous | reply 258 | March 4, 2019 12:13 AM |
Is Jimmy Safechuck family?
by Anonymous | reply 259 | March 4, 2019 12:13 AM |
They probably both are.
by Anonymous | reply 260 | March 4, 2019 12:21 AM |
He's married with 3 kids so, probably not R259
by Anonymous | reply 261 | March 4, 2019 12:21 AM |
was there ever any word on how big MJ's cock was?
by Anonymous | reply 262 | March 4, 2019 12:24 AM |
Apparently they’re going to graphically detail MJ’s penis during the documentary
by Anonymous | reply 263 | March 4, 2019 12:26 AM |
#muteoprah
by Anonymous | reply 264 | March 4, 2019 12:27 AM |
These boys all seem like queers. I’m sure they enjoyed whatever went down. IF anything did
by Anonymous | reply 265 | March 4, 2019 12:28 AM |
R265 you’re a troll and you don’t speak for us.
by Anonymous | reply 266 | March 4, 2019 12:30 AM |
R265, Jesus, they were children.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | March 4, 2019 12:30 AM |
Spoken like a true pedo, r265.
by Anonymous | reply 268 | March 4, 2019 12:30 AM |
This is really depressing, It seems like they were both destroyed by their experience with him.
by Anonymous | reply 269 | March 4, 2019 12:35 AM |
R269 jimmy’s voice and way of describing things - before we’ve even gotten into the sordid stuff - is already hard to listen to.
by Anonymous | reply 270 | March 4, 2019 12:37 AM |
What do you mean 270?
by Anonymous | reply 271 | March 4, 2019 12:38 AM |
Safechuck seems so vulnerable, poor guy.
by Anonymous | reply 272 | March 4, 2019 12:38 AM |
You can see in the clips Michael is head over heels in love with those boys.
by Anonymous | reply 273 | March 4, 2019 12:40 AM |
R273, yeah. The tapes are quite disturbing.
I think MJ knew which boys to target.
by Anonymous | reply 274 | March 4, 2019 12:41 AM |
Oh my, this has gotten disturbing.
by Anonymous | reply 275 | March 4, 2019 12:44 AM |
Neverland is an area that can't be turned into condos or retail space. The entire US isn't Flyoverstan.
by Anonymous | reply 276 | March 4, 2019 12:45 AM |
OMG you wenches, fill us in more, not just “ooooooooo, ooooooooh, aaaaaaaaah.” You’re better than this!
by Anonymous | reply 277 | March 4, 2019 12:47 AM |
They discussed Michael teaching him how to masterbate and presenting hole and precum and they were basically honeymooning
by Anonymous | reply 278 | March 4, 2019 12:48 AM |
When you are molested as a young gay boy it is hard to process because you like it or find it pleasurable. This adds to the problems. Obviously these guys are little fags already. I know from first hand experience.
by Anonymous | reply 279 | March 4, 2019 12:49 AM |
He literally asked these boys to present hole while he masturbated.
by Anonymous | reply 280 | March 4, 2019 12:49 AM |
Why does Jimmy keep phrasing it as “having sex”? You were getting molested by a grown man!
by Anonymous | reply 281 | March 4, 2019 12:51 AM |
OMG, this is so fucked up. He performed oral sex on Safechuck while he was sleeping.
by Anonymous | reply 282 | March 4, 2019 12:51 AM |
R281 it’s probably how he’s learned to cope. To be able to talk about it.
by Anonymous | reply 283 | March 4, 2019 12:52 AM |
Mrs. Safechuck is a fucking moron
by Anonymous | reply 284 | March 4, 2019 12:54 AM |
So he’s having sex at 11? He’s being molested and taken advantage of
by Anonymous | reply 285 | March 4, 2019 12:54 AM |
[quote] Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings. The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom was a serious security zone covered by video and wired for sound so that the steps of anyone approaching would make ding-dong sounds. Two of the fathers of those who have accused Jackson, Jordie Chandler and Jimmy Safechuck, committed suicide. Both were estranged from their sons at the time.
by Anonymous | reply 286 | March 4, 2019 12:55 AM |
He said “It’s sort of like when you first start dating.” What?
by Anonymous | reply 287 | March 4, 2019 12:56 AM |
Think of relationships you've had where you were used, betrayed, dumped for no good reason, and how it made you feel. Then imagine going through that when you're eleven.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | March 4, 2019 12:59 AM |
Jimmy's mother is a fucking idiot. I think she knew what was going on. She was enjoying the lifestyle.
by Anonymous | reply 289 | March 4, 2019 12:59 AM |
R288 and then magnify it by the person being an extremely powerful and enigmatic celebrity with a masters in manipulation.
by Anonymous | reply 290 | March 4, 2019 1:02 AM |
I wonder what happened to Jordie Chandler. It didn't end well for his father.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | March 4, 2019 1:02 AM |
Would Jordie still be under an NDA even though Jackson is dead?
by Anonymous | reply 292 | March 4, 2019 1:04 AM |
being paid to keep quiet about a sexual assault isn't enforceable in court.
by Anonymous | reply 293 | March 4, 2019 1:06 AM |
[quote]was there ever any word on how big MJ's cock was?
Mammoth!
Hee hee
by Anonymous | reply 294 | March 4, 2019 1:07 AM |
What parent leaves their child alone with Michael Jackson for five days?
by Anonymous | reply 295 | March 4, 2019 1:11 AM |
R286 So you think a boy that age used and knew the terms of being circumcised? nut job!
by Anonymous | reply 296 | March 4, 2019 1:12 AM |
When Jimmy says sex, is he talking oral or full blown intercourse?
by Anonymous | reply 297 | March 4, 2019 1:17 AM |
It’s hard to say, R297.
by Anonymous | reply 298 | March 4, 2019 1:20 AM |
Any parent would know if their seven year old was having sex with a grown adult.
by Anonymous | reply 299 | March 4, 2019 1:23 AM |
R297 I don’t think they had anal. Definitely oral and mutual masterbation.
by Anonymous | reply 300 | March 4, 2019 1:25 AM |
A MOCK WEDDING CEREMONY??? WITH A DIAMOND-ENCRUSTED WEDDING BAND??????
by Anonymous | reply 301 | March 4, 2019 1:26 AM |
Jackson fans complaining on twitter about “lack of evidence” in the doc. What exactly do they want? Not every pedophile is as low IQ as R. Kelly and films themselves having sex with children.
by Anonymous | reply 302 | March 4, 2019 1:27 AM |
[quote]Any parent would know if their seven year old was having sex with a grown adult.
Are you watching? They admit to be in denial.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | March 4, 2019 1:29 AM |
Didn't one of them tell some time ago that he and Jackson had given anal a try and MJ asked him for his blood-stained underwear so there was nothing the parents could find? It was only once because the child didn't like it and, apparently, Jackson never 'forced himself upon them'.
by Anonymous | reply 304 | March 4, 2019 1:29 AM |
Seeing the videos of Neverland makes me think it must have been a hell of a thing to visit there.
Except for the child rape thing.
by Anonymous | reply 305 | March 4, 2019 1:30 AM |
The photographs of Michael Jackson desperately clinging to Jimmy, the jewelry he gave Jimmy . . . that's all evidence to me.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | March 4, 2019 1:30 AM |
That’s always the most disgusting, weakest argument against these types of allegations. Like, what exactly is evidence here? A cum-stained child’s tee? This man was obsessive about tying loose ends and clearing his tracks. He knew what to do to stay out of prison.
by Anonymous | reply 307 | March 4, 2019 1:30 AM |
I can believe one set of parents easily misled but two ? One mother actually says I didn’t see anything wrong with Michael sleeping with my son...
The two victims look like a gay who look alike. Also the two mothers look alike.
by Anonymous | reply 308 | March 4, 2019 1:31 AM |
I don’t like looking at the jewelry but here we are.
by Anonymous | reply 309 | March 4, 2019 1:31 AM |
At the beginning of his interview Robson mentions Jackson always being over his house and taking him for walks and being overly interested in his toys and stuff.
He was fucking grooming that kid.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | March 4, 2019 1:32 AM |
Fucking evil. These two boys deserve to exploit this dead pervert for every penny they can get from him and fanbase.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | March 4, 2019 1:33 AM |
R308 I thought the same thing!!
by Anonymous | reply 312 | March 4, 2019 1:33 AM |
The discussion on Twitter is incredibly demoralizing. MJ’s deluded, soulless fans spamming about him being innocent...
by Anonymous | reply 313 | March 4, 2019 1:35 AM |
All these celebrity items would they bring much money at an auction? Indiana Jones bull whip ?
by Anonymous | reply 314 | March 4, 2019 1:35 AM |
So was wade the mistress he married the Safechuck queen
by Anonymous | reply 315 | March 4, 2019 1:36 AM |
A year ?
I don’t celebrate birthdays of course.
by Anonymous | reply 316 | March 4, 2019 1:42 AM |
How can anyone with three brain cells to rub together think MJ is innocent?
I see a bunch of Tweets where people are just insisting he is. How? How is that remotely even fucking possible?
by Anonymous | reply 317 | March 4, 2019 1:43 AM |
Is it me or the kid is not that good of a dancer ?
by Anonymous | reply 318 | March 4, 2019 1:44 AM |
I guess the dad kills himself.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | March 4, 2019 1:47 AM |
Dumped for the Home Alone kid. That’s gotta hurt.
by Anonymous | reply 320 | March 4, 2019 1:52 AM |
This is gonna hurt MC’s career....... Wait a minute.
by Anonymous | reply 321 | March 4, 2019 1:53 AM |
Porn & Candy, now doesn’t that sound nice??
by Anonymous | reply 322 | March 4, 2019 1:56 AM |
A fax machine and seven hour conversations? Christ, he was OBSESSED over that kid.
by Anonymous | reply 323 | March 4, 2019 1:57 AM |
Did google maps fund this movie ?
by Anonymous | reply 324 | March 4, 2019 1:58 AM |
The is an American Crime Storytbat no one wants to be seen
by Anonymous | reply 325 | March 4, 2019 2:00 AM |
I remember Ryan White died waiting for MJ to come.
by Anonymous | reply 326 | March 4, 2019 2:01 AM |
R326 he couldn’t fuck him so he probably figured why?
by Anonymous | reply 327 | March 4, 2019 2:04 AM |
Wow. That was painful to watch.
by Anonymous | reply 328 | March 4, 2019 2:07 AM |
MJ fans can’t separate the man from the music. It’s sad but their whole psyche would fall apart if they had to admit MJ was a serial pedophile.
by Anonymous | reply 329 | March 4, 2019 2:09 AM |
Why the fuck didn't someone in the Jackson clan or his management put a stop to this sleeping with kids?
by Anonymous | reply 330 | March 4, 2019 2:10 AM |
Exactly. That’s why the Jacksons can never admit culpability. I hope McCauley comes out as a victim.
by Anonymous | reply 331 | March 4, 2019 2:12 AM |
Because they are the biggest suckers. More so than the kids parents.
by Anonymous | reply 332 | March 4, 2019 2:12 AM |
r330, Michael didn't talk to his siblings after his 80s super stardom. The only member of the family he kept regular contact with was his mom and that woman was in complete denial.
by Anonymous | reply 333 | March 4, 2019 2:13 AM |
I also think his Twitter defenders can’t afford HBO.
by Anonymous | reply 334 | March 4, 2019 2:14 AM |
Michael Jackson also developed a "friendship" with a boy named David Rothenberg. He was seven years old when his psycho father tried to burn him to death; he was burned over 90% his body, required finger and toe amputations, but managed to survive, although the ordeal left him horribly disfigured. Wikipedia claims that he "became a friend and protégé of Michael Jackson." There are photos of Jackson holding and cuddling the terrible disfigured boy. Later David Rothenberg became an artist and bizarrely changed his name to "Dave Dave." He died last year at age 42. But before his died some people said that Michael Jackson had faked his own death and was now using the identity of Dave Dave to disguise himself! Dave Dave was on Larry King and some wackos insisted it was NOT Dave Dave, but Michael Jackson in disguise. What a crazy notion, but judging from YouTube comments some people believe it. Anyway, did Jackson also do inappropriate things to poor little David Rothenberg? I guess we'll never know now since Dave Dave is gone. Or maybe Jackson wasn't interested in his sexually. Maybe he considered him a kind of "pet." How sick. But then that is one word that describes Michael Jackson succinctly: sick.
by Anonymous | reply 335 | March 4, 2019 2:16 AM |
I have Dish who no longer carries HBO. So I got a subscription at Amazon to watch this. It sucks to watch it without DVR.
by Anonymous | reply 336 | March 4, 2019 2:17 AM |
Do people think Michael himself was sexually abused as a child?
by Anonymous | reply 337 | March 4, 2019 2:18 AM |
[quote] How can anyone with three brain cells to rub together think MJ is innocent? I see a bunch of Tweets where people are just insisting he is. How? How is that remotely even fucking possible?
Perhaps partially because Robson and Safechunk testified that he was and even as adult men, they continued to defend him until even after he died, up until they sued the estate for millions of dollars. Perhaps because Robson was having financial problems and he and Safechunck are still trying to millions from the estate.
by Anonymous | reply 338 | March 4, 2019 2:19 AM |
[QUOTE]Why the fuck didn't someone in the Jackson clan or his management put a stop to this sleeping with kids?
How exactly would they have done that? He was the one with the money and power. And it was all done in the privacy of homes he owned like Neverland. You think LaToya or Jermaine was going to police what he did there?
by Anonymous | reply 339 | March 4, 2019 2:20 AM |
part 2 is available on HBOGO
by Anonymous | reply 340 | March 4, 2019 2:20 AM |
Men don’t easily share that they were sexually abused. Plus they had been told by Michael as children and adults not to tell anyone. If anyone is to blame, it’s sick Michael.
by Anonymous | reply 341 | March 4, 2019 2:23 AM |
[QUOTE]Perhaps partially because Robson and Safechunk testified that he was and even as adult men, they continued to defend him until even after he died
Well that’s pretty damning.
by Anonymous | reply 342 | March 4, 2019 2:25 AM |
Their stories are very consistent and seem typical of sexual abuse survivors that finally come to grips with what happened. I believe them.
by Anonymous | reply 343 | March 4, 2019 2:27 AM |
Jimmy testified in favor of MJ n 2005 too? I thought that was just Wade.
I feel for Wade though. MJ is a GOD in the dance world He might have felt he had to lie in order to protect his career.
by Anonymous | reply 344 | March 4, 2019 2:29 AM |
How can anyone think it’s normal to give a child a wedding band or constantly fax them notes saying I love you? These were kids and MJ was a predator pedophile.
by Anonymous | reply 345 | March 4, 2019 2:30 AM |
I was abused at a very young age. It sucks and can destroy your life. Grown Men Do Not Sleep With Boys. PEDOS DO. This is not difficult to understand. Really.
by Anonymous | reply 346 | March 4, 2019 2:35 AM |
It's not normal, and MJ's stans are twisted fucks to even try to justify any of it.
by Anonymous | reply 347 | March 4, 2019 2:35 AM |
So Robson made a mistake when he was 22 years old it hardly makes him a serial liar, it actually seems perfectly understandable in the context of his relationship with a manipulative and wealthy pervert .
by Anonymous | reply 348 | March 4, 2019 2:36 AM |
Does anyone remember how long MJ was hanging out with McCauley? It seems unlikely that MJ would be nonsexual with him since he already had a taste for it.
It’s unimaginable and cruel to make a child sleep on the couch while you take a new kid into the bedroom. It’s very disturbing but so was Michael’s whole pathetic pathology.
by Anonymous | reply 349 | March 4, 2019 2:42 AM |
I'm sure the 2 mothers were deluded by Michael's "innocence" in much the same way as Elizabeth Taylor and other far more sophisticated celebs, who should have known much better.
There had been no one quite like Michael Jackson in the late 1980s/early 1990s and the world was really swept away and taken in by his precociousness seemingly child-like ways and didn't see the horrible and harmful mental illness lurking inside him.
by Anonymous | reply 350 | March 4, 2019 2:42 AM |
I completely own the Tin Hat Theory I’m about to carefully say. Is it possible that some of the MJ trolls are Russian? Hear me out — Putin is all about division, particularly between race. I’m not saying I believe they are definitely Russian, I haven’t bothered to track some of the accounts, but I would not be surprised either. And that is creepy to think about.
R350, do not bring La Liz up, you will unleash the Wrath of Lucifer. See the actual Liz/MJ Thread. It is bloody.
by Anonymous | reply 351 | March 4, 2019 2:44 AM |
Only Robson testified in support of Jackson, and when you see the film you can understand why. He was completely overwhelmed by Jackson, and probably still had some residual belief that Jackson loved him and needed him to be loyal.
I'm also convinced that some of his other victims believed that he genuinely loved them, and feel to this day that they would be betraying him by telling the truth.
by Anonymous | reply 352 | March 4, 2019 2:45 AM |
You're creepy R351. Self admitted creep.
by Anonymous | reply 353 | March 4, 2019 2:48 AM |
[quote] So Robson made a mistake when he was 22 years old it hardly makes him a serial liar, it actually seems perfectly understandable in the context of his relationship with a manipulative and wealthy pervert .
Robson was almost 28 when Jackson died and he continued defending him. He begged the family to be included in the family service. He later applied for a job choreographing the Cirque du Soleil Jackson tribute show. Safechunk also defended Jackson as an adult. People might take them more seriously if there weren’t a multi million dollar lawsuit involved and repeated attempts to extract millions of dollars from the estate.
by Anonymous | reply 354 | March 4, 2019 2:54 AM |
I believe the wacko was a pedophile but methinks these two liars are not the ones to make the case unfortunately. Others hopefully need to come forward who haven’t already perjured themselves.
by Anonymous | reply 355 | March 4, 2019 2:54 AM |
That part about Wade waking up in the night by Jackson's sobbing who was basically begging him to manipulate his family in allowing him to stay longer sums up the whole relationship. A normal adult does not manipulate a 7 year the way a grotesque villain of Disneyesque proportions does.
by Anonymous | reply 356 | March 4, 2019 2:56 AM |
[quote]do not bring La Liz up, you will unleash the Wrath of Lucifer. See the actual Liz/MJ Thread. It is bloody.
R351's La Fucking Retardé
by Anonymous | reply 357 | March 4, 2019 2:57 AM |
[QUOTE]I believe the wacko was a pedophile but methinks these two liars are not the ones to make the case unfortunately. Others hopefully need to come forward who haven’t already perjured themselves.
Yeah they’re basically the Michael Cohens of this shit. I don’t know why the Jackson estate was freaking out so much.
by Anonymous | reply 358 | March 4, 2019 2:59 AM |
There’s also Robson’s bizarre initial claim about having “repressed” memories. Which he later altered or retracted.
Don’t wait until you’re essentially broke then repeatedly file multi million dollar lawsuits and then claim that you’re speaking out solely because you care about victims. Robson also claimed that he was not contacted about deadlines by the estate after Jackson’s death. Which has proven to be false.
by Anonymous | reply 359 | March 4, 2019 3:02 AM |
Male victims lie under oath. I don’t know why that is so hard for people to understand, especially if they loved him and were told repeatedly to say it was all innocent. That is much easier and I doubt they were ready to tell their stories. Why do you need more victims to come out? This blind belief in MJ shows people can’t admit their idol was disturbed and dated children.
by Anonymous | reply 360 | March 4, 2019 3:04 AM |
[quote]I don’t know why the Jackson estate was freaking out so much.
They're freaking out because they know Neverland was a pedo pit.
by Anonymous | reply 361 | March 4, 2019 3:04 AM |
[quote]I don’t know how anyone can sexualize a 7 year old. They don’t really have erections or ejaculate.
I don’t know about everyone else, but I was definitely absolutely a sex machine when I was 7, because I and my friends, who were the same age as me (one from school, and one who lived next door to me), used to hump and grind against each other every chance we got. Nobody ejaculated, of course, but we had raging boners the entire time.
I’ve always thought it was weird, years later, when I started hearing people say that prepubescent boys don’t get erections. Hell, I remember reading that erections are even possible in the *womb*!
by Anonymous | reply 362 | March 4, 2019 3:06 AM |
TMI.
by Anonymous | reply 363 | March 4, 2019 3:07 AM |
I remember getting a boner when I was like 4. It’s possible.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | March 4, 2019 3:12 AM |
Yeah I used to do the same things with my friends around that age, R362. A group of us in fact used to take turns on each other grinding in my basement.
by Anonymous | reply 365 | March 4, 2019 3:13 AM |
Oh, bullshit. Stop trying to justify Jackson's pedophilia.
by Anonymous | reply 366 | March 4, 2019 3:14 AM |
Hasn’t McCauley told people that Michael gave him wine and showed him porn? Oprah needs to get him to tell all.
by Anonymous | reply 367 | March 4, 2019 3:15 AM |
I wonder how many trophies he shared with his perv friends?
by Anonymous | reply 368 | March 4, 2019 3:16 AM |
Safechuck has never committed perjury or made public comment defending MJ.
by Anonymous | reply 369 | March 4, 2019 3:16 AM |
R366, none of us are doing that. At least I wasn’t. Boys having sex play with each other is nothing at all like an adult grooming and molesting a child. I was just responding to someone upthread.
by Anonymous | reply 370 | March 4, 2019 3:17 AM |
These outlandish and horrendous things happened to Wade when he was 7 years old.
Do you really think you could process all of that sort of thing when you were 7 and be able to testify about it truthfully without a whole lot of soul-searching and therapy over many years?
by Anonymous | reply 371 | March 4, 2019 3:20 AM |
Yes R371, especially when you consider the totality of the antics of this con artist’s life.
by Anonymous | reply 372 | March 4, 2019 3:24 AM |
To me, the weirdest part was the tape of Jimmy pretending to interview Michael and asking him about his favorite part of a trip, and Michael responded "being with you". He was clearly in love with the child.
I can see how the boys were entranced by MJ. At the time of Thriller, he was the biggest star in the world. Even my local grocery store in BFE had a gumball machine that was filled with fluorescent Michael Jackson stickers. Combine the star power of Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, Lady Gaga, and the Kardashians, and it still doesn't compare to how famous MJ was in the 80s.
What was the timeline? Wade said he returned to the US to shoot the "Black or White" video only to find that he had been replaced by Macaulay Culkin. Jimmy said that he had been replaced by Brett Barnes. Was it Jimmy, then Brett, then Wade, then Macaulay?
by Anonymous | reply 373 | March 4, 2019 3:37 AM |
In the court video that came out in the past couple of months (the video where he giggles through the questions), MJ was asked about the questionable books that had been found on his property during an earlier search. He replied that his fans mailed him a lot of stuff and he simply stored the boxes in his house, not really knowing the contents of the boxes.
by Anonymous | reply 374 | March 4, 2019 3:41 AM |
I can't believe it but i can. This shit is nasty. He turned Jimmy out. Jimmy was wifey. Wade was the side chick? He said his hair felt like a brillo. Can you imagine being 7 years old on all fours with your ass cheeks spread looking back at that freak masturbating! Merciful heavens. I was never a fan. Even as a kid I knew something wasn't right.
by Anonymous | reply 375 | March 4, 2019 3:55 AM |
Jackson is an expert on getting by with murder. Although I do not believe the wedding ring story.
by Anonymous | reply 376 | March 4, 2019 3:56 AM |
R375 same. I could never get into Michael. The vibes he gave off were always unsettling to me. The child entourage cause he was “forever 9 yrs old” was always a major sign to me that something in the milk was not clean.
by Anonymous | reply 377 | March 4, 2019 3:57 AM |
That kinda bothered me. I don’t care if he was 7 years old he should have said wig instead of hair.
by Anonymous | reply 378 | March 4, 2019 3:58 AM |
I can't with Michael and his series of child lovers. IIRC, maroon Brando is the only celebrity that asked, "What is Michael doing with all these boys?!?!" The Jacksons have hidden sexual abuse in their own family, so it's no surprise they are ballistic. Fortunately none of the next generation have any talent. I wonder if Paris, Prince and Blanket watched this? Traumatized I am sure.
by Anonymous | reply 379 | March 4, 2019 3:58 AM |
Sorry, Marlon Brando.
by Anonymous | reply 380 | March 4, 2019 3:59 AM |
R359, even if Wade was lying, he is only 1 of many. I don't believe he is lying. Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world, nothing we see today even compares. He could destroy this guy's life, look what he and his maniac fans did to Jordan Chandler and his family. I don't blame them for keeping quiet. I also understand why Wade played along, although it's unfortunate he did. He also still wanted a career and having MJ with him instead of against him when he was alive was necessary. It should also be noted that MJ was not your run of the mill predator. He seduced them and their families with fame and money. That's part of the reason why the boys felt rejected when they were replaced, even after they were abused. It was all very twisted.
The most damning thing to me was the creepy 'interview' Safechuck did with Michael and the endless faxes to Robson. They were romantic, nothing platonic about them. What more do people need to believe he is guilty?
by Anonymous | reply 381 | March 4, 2019 4:00 AM |
Paris could have been something if she didn’t have the trashy tattoos.
by Anonymous | reply 382 | March 4, 2019 4:00 AM |
I don’t think jordie will ever speak out in public. He’s been in hiding for 25 years and has had to move and continually change his phone number because of threats. He reconnected with his mother in recent years and unlike Robson and safechuks mothers it didn’t take many years to figure out the truth about Jackson even though like the other 2 mothers was seduced by the $$$$ and star power. Jordie didn’t speak to her for years and she was devastated.
It’s true about Jackson not wanting to be around his brothers or having much to do with them. By the 80s Katherine had to talk him into doing anything family related. Latoya claimed Joseph molested her and rebbie and that she and Katherine saw checks that Jackson had paid out to boys dating back to the 80s and Katherine called him a faggot. It rang true at the time but of course she recanted.
by Anonymous | reply 383 | March 4, 2019 4:01 AM |
R379 she’s been in rehab for the last couple months as far as I know. She’d been spending too much time with Jared Leto who masterfully grooms girls too. She probably felt at home with that weirdo.
by Anonymous | reply 384 | March 4, 2019 4:02 AM |
MJ certainly had a type and knew exactly how to groom those young boys and their mothers. He started very slowly by teaching the boys to put their clothes on as quickly as possible in complete silence. He made it a game and had secrets with the kid. One reason they never told. They thought it was normal. MJ was very shrewd. A true stage mom would fall under MJ’s spell so easily. You figure he had a replacement little boy every year. That was a full year for MJ to teach the current little boy his dance moves, dress the kid like himself, take the boy and his family on tour, pay for their expenses, plead his case how lonely he was and he didn’t have any friends and worked on gaining the mom or parents trust. Once the kid starting growing MJ elevated his technique, introduced the boy to alcohol, more advanced porn and the kid went with it out of desperation to try to keep MJ for themselve. Those poor boys ended up being as alone and messed up as MJ was. God what a said state of affairs.
by Anonymous | reply 385 | March 4, 2019 4:08 AM |
I can see why the boys would in denial for so long. They had denied the sexual relationship to their parents and probably to their friends and classmates. To tell the truth means telling their parents what happened, and of course the parents would have felt guilty (as they well should have). And of course MJ manipulated them into thinking they were willing participants in a consensual relationship, so they would always partially blame themselves for what happened.
by Anonymous | reply 386 | March 4, 2019 4:08 AM |
I didn't watch the documentary but I wonder when MJ started this. Was it when he bought Neverland? Because wasn't he still living at home during the Off the Wall/Thriller eras?
by Anonymous | reply 387 | March 4, 2019 4:14 AM |
R387 he was molesting throughout his tours in hotel rooms. He had a few houses/condos he’d take the kids to in LA. Jimmy was initially taken to Hayvenhurst, so before Neverland was a thing.
by Anonymous | reply 388 | March 4, 2019 4:26 AM |
These were all items that were entered in court back in 2005 ― items that were well known to both the prosecution and defense and were presented before both Judge Melville and the jury. None of the items seized from Neverland fit the legal definition of child pornography, and in fact many of the items that are currently creating the most media hysteria were not pornographic at all. They were legal art books; a few of them containing some examples of adult erotica, but again, these were not titles that could be in any way deemed as pornographic or even obscene. This isn’t to say that Jackson didn’t own any pornography at all. The truth was that a sizable amount of adult heterosexual pornography had been confiscated in the raid, but Jackson was a grown man and this type of pornography is not illegal to own. In the absence of any hardcore “smoking gun” evidence against Jackson, the prosecution tried desperately to make a case for several legal art books which Jackson owned as part of an extensive library, one that contained over ten thousand titles on art and photography (subjects that were of interest to him as inspiration for his own lyrics and films). These art books, as they were written up and described in the original police reports, were clearly stated as not being pornographic in nature but as items that could “possibly” be used as part of a “grooming” process (however, it is important to note that this was not a claim the prosecution was able to successfully prove in court). Secondly, it has been confirmed via a statement issued by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department that several pages of the document ― which originated with the publication Radar Online-appeared to have been falsified, with images that were never part of the original documents, claiming those images “appeared to have been taken from internet sources.” Since this story spread like proverbial wildfire through the tabloid media ― and even to legit mainstream media who apparently never bothered to fact check either the origin or contents of these documents ― we really must pause to consider how the media operates in spreading such hoax stories on celebrities. We also must ask some hard questions about why better laws are not in place to protect deceased persons-famous or not-from this kind of libel.
by Anonymous | reply 389 | March 4, 2019 4:26 AM |
[quote] Male victims lie under oath. I don’t know why that is so hard for people to understand, especially if they loved him and were told repeatedly to say it was all innocent
At almost 30 yrs old Robson was still defending and praising Jackson.
by Anonymous | reply 390 | March 4, 2019 4:32 AM |
Are you just ignoring all the other evidence like sleeping with a boy for 30 days straight? I don't get the Michael Jackson defenders unless they themselves are pedophiles.
by Anonymous | reply 391 | March 4, 2019 4:34 AM |
Why are the MJ freaks here spewing their repetitive bullshit? They're not regular DLers, for sure.
by Anonymous | reply 392 | March 4, 2019 4:36 AM |
Listen you ignoramus R389/R390/etc. you're only focusing on Robson, what about Safechuck, Chandler, Arvizo? Don't think you'll have anything to say but the usual bullshit. So kindly fuck off you piece of shit.
by Anonymous | reply 393 | March 4, 2019 4:44 AM |
You really want to see delusion, go to reddit.com /r/michaeljackson. Those fans will never be convinced of his crimes.
by Anonymous | reply 394 | March 4, 2019 4:47 AM |
Why doesn't Jimmy sell the rings if he can't stand to look at them? Get that money!
by Anonymous | reply 395 | March 4, 2019 4:50 AM |
[quote] Listen you ignoramus [R389]/[R390]/etc. you're only focusing on Robson, what about Safechuck, Chandler, Arvizo? Don't think you'll have anything to say but the usual bullshit. So kindly fuck off you piece of shit.
Your ad hominem attacks don’t make Robson of Safechunk look more credible. They just make you seem unhinged. I’ve commented about Robson and Safechunk because the documentary is about them and they have repeatedly attempted to collect millions of dollars from the estate. Robson and Safechunk destroyed their own credibility.
by Anonymous | reply 396 | March 4, 2019 4:56 AM |
Who can blame them for trying to collect money? Michael sexually abused them. You are a freak for defending a pedophile.
by Anonymous | reply 397 | March 4, 2019 4:58 AM |
Is there a lot of Michael Jackson money left for his three kids or is the rest of the family brothers nephews living on it as well since none of them have careers?
by Anonymous | reply 398 | March 4, 2019 5:00 AM |
[quote] Why are the MJ freaks here spewing their repetitive bullshit? They're not regular DLers, for sure.
Right because it’s possible for first time visitors to reply to threads and everyone here usually agrees with everything that you say.
by Anonymous | reply 399 | March 4, 2019 5:00 AM |
For a man that claims he wasnt molested by Jackson, Macahey Caulkin has sure matured into one fucked up mess of a being. I believe he has been an on again off aging heroin user for a decade. Exactly and precisely what suppressing sexual abuse will do to an adult as it manifests in wanting to “forget” with all the unaddressed triggers abounding.
Those little boys were in love, were flawlessly groomed and simply trying to imagine the fear of telling the truth would seem wholly impossible until thier 30’s when they are more mature and able to see more clearly thier victimization.
The Statue of Limitations on Sexual abuse is being changed state by state across the nation. It is an urgent change that was precipitated by suits against the Catholic Church. Let me remind all of you - Circumstantial Evidence is REAL. People have been convicted of murder without a body being found. If enough men can tell the same story early on without knowing each other - with specific unpublished details that counts.
I never doubted Jackson’s guilt, wanting to create great opportunities to level a child’s playing field has rules. #1 Parents are involved and consulted and open lines of communication must exist. Jackson was a fake and a fraud and a pedo. But goddamit he was a musical genius and I loved him in the 80’s - but even to me he was himself a victim from day one. Nonetheless I never bought that as the reason for the extremes in his fucked up behavior.
Please encourage yr local state legislators to eliminate the Statue of Limitations on Sexual Abuse - our country is far more savvy on this issue. These men are the case in point.
Oh yeah, Fuck the Jackson Family for thier ridiculous excuses for him.
by Anonymous | reply 400 | March 4, 2019 5:03 AM |
Does Katherine still control the estate for his kids?
by Anonymous | reply 401 | March 4, 2019 5:06 AM |
R398, Jackson’s estate generates millions a year. The kids collect from it as does his elderly mother. The brothers and their dozens of kids mooch off Katherine Jackson.
by Anonymous | reply 402 | March 4, 2019 5:06 AM |
When do Paris and Blanket and the other kid get control of their inheritance if there is anything left for them?
by Anonymous | reply 403 | March 4, 2019 5:09 AM |
Have you noticed the MJ trolls never condemn pedophila? It’s always “Wade is lying” but no mention of Michael’s behavior. Freaks.
by Anonymous | reply 404 | March 4, 2019 5:11 AM |
[quote] Is there a lot of Michael Jackson money left for his three kids or is the rest of the family brothers nephews living on it as well since none of them have careers?
You obviously know nothing about the estate or the Jackson Family. Attacking the family with unsubstantiated rumors is silly and does not help Robson and Safechunk’s case. The brothers are still performing, in addition to whatever else they’ve done outside of music. Marlon went into real estate and owned part of black cable network. Very little is known about their children leading private lives. Why would you just assume that they don’t have lives and careers?
[quote] Who can blame them for trying to collect money? Michael sexually abused them. You are a freak for defending a pedophile.
Again name calling won’t make Robson and Safechunk appear credible.
Waiting to claim abuse after you’re broke and suing for millions of dollars; yet claiming you only care about victim advocacy smells like bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 405 | March 4, 2019 5:15 AM |
R396, You have focused on solely Robson. It doesn't even matter because you would try and discredit anyone who came forward and blame the victim. Robson and Safechuck didn't even have to say a word to see that MJ was a predator. Does a grown man sleep in the same bed as a young boy? Does a grown man stay ensconced with little boys days on end? Does a grown man hold hands with an unrelated boys? Does a grown man have a revolving door of only boys of a certain age? Does a grown man fly little boys out to see him all over the world? These are indisputable facts. It's not normal behavior and you are sick in the head if you think it is. Well, you are already twisted for defending a man who repeatedly sexually assaulted multiple 7-11 year olds. All I needed to see was his love notes and hear the audio tapes to know he is guilty!
by Anonymous | reply 406 | March 4, 2019 5:16 AM |
SafechuNnNnNnNnNNnNNk
by Anonymous | reply 407 | March 4, 2019 5:17 AM |
R405 sorry is that you Tito?
by Anonymous | reply 408 | March 4, 2019 5:19 AM |
Did the boys say if Michael wore all the heavy makeup to bed?
by Anonymous | reply 409 | March 4, 2019 5:21 AM |
Both of their stories have the absolute ring of truth. But Robson's denials never did.
Michael Jackson molested these boys, and Christ knows how many others. It's good that he died, so his reign of terror is over.
by Anonymous | reply 410 | March 4, 2019 5:27 AM |
Wade says he didn’t remember anything until a therapist told him. This is where his entire account falls apart in part two. The other guy is way more credible.
by Anonymous | reply 411 | March 4, 2019 5:31 AM |
R25 is a lie. LEAVING NEVERLAND plays stock footage of Michael’s lawyers and fans accusing Robson of slander and trying to shake-down Michael’s estate. So do some TV commentators.
by Anonymous | reply 412 | March 4, 2019 5:33 AM |
[quote] Have you noticed the MJ trolls never condemn pedophila? It’s always “Wade is lying” but no mention of Michael’s behavior. Freaks.
No what I have noticed that you continue with the name calling. What I have noticed is the continued attacks on the entire family, including accusations regarding innocent people we mostly know nothing about. Do those attacks somehow make Robson and Safechunk’s case stronger? And in terms of Jackson’s behavior, there’s so much shotty “journalism” and misinformation, regarding Jackson; it’s hard to get a real handle on what is fact and what is fiction.
[quote] [R405] sorry is that you Tito
Right because Tito is the only person who doesn’t believe the accusations and Tito posts regularly here. He’s very fond of the presenting threads.
by Anonymous | reply 413 | March 4, 2019 5:35 AM |
He wasn't even that good. And yes he molested. Duh.
by Anonymous | reply 414 | March 4, 2019 5:37 AM |
R405 is Janbot. The brothers primary source of income is from touring, on,y randy doesn’t tour. You’re getting your info from Wikipedia janbot. Marlon had financial problems as have several other brothers and Michael or Katherine had to help them out financially.
Katherine was smart enough to turn the estate over to professionals who quickly turned it around by licensing the hell out of his music. Katherine was busted a few years forging a deed to the Encino home.
With Oprah hosting the after documentary special it’s safe to say her relationship and access to any of the jacksons is gone.
by Anonymous | reply 415 | March 4, 2019 5:38 AM |
Wrong, r411. Wade brought it up to his therapist. He was clear that it was never a case of repressed memories. He never forgot what Jackson did to him; he was too afraid to speak the truth to anyone, including himself. Becoming a father and Michael's death appeared to be the catalysts.
The documentary was devastating. I found both their accounts entirely credible.
by Anonymous | reply 416 | March 4, 2019 5:45 AM |
R411, is that from the same source, i.e. The MJ stans, who said Jordan Chandler recanted his story?
by Anonymous | reply 417 | March 4, 2019 5:47 AM |
His fans are still claiming that he's innocent. They refer to the fact that FBI raided his house and found nothing. Then they refer to his trial where he was proven innocent. They also claim Wade is lying and that Macaley Culkin said he wasn't molested.
by Anonymous | reply 418 | March 4, 2019 5:51 AM |
r349 clearly u never read the story about the cook being ordered to make french fries late at night 2am while Mj and MC were playing video games, he arrived without notifying and walked in on MJ standing behind MC as he played video games with MJ's hands in MC pants.
by Anonymous | reply 419 | March 4, 2019 5:51 AM |
I don’t understand how people can be so sure in their disbelief or even question one of the guys’ account. These guys were clearly being groomed by Jackson; they spent periods of their lives with him. They slept over with him. Why WOULDN’T Jackson have molested Robson? How can someone believe other accounts but not his? Is it really plausible that his relationship with Michael included everything up to but excluding molestation? No. It’s not likely that he *wasn’t* molested.
How silly.
by Anonymous | reply 420 | March 4, 2019 5:52 AM |
Some Michael fans actually sound jealous. Even if he did lie Wade gets several passes from me because he just was a tiny and helpless boy who fell into the trap of a predator.
by Anonymous | reply 421 | March 4, 2019 5:52 AM |
[quote]He was clear that it was never a case of repressed memories.
That’s exactly what he says. He didn’t remember anything. You obviously didn’t watch part two. He needed a therapist to explain what it all meant. That is what repressed memory therapy is, dear.
by Anonymous | reply 422 | March 4, 2019 5:55 AM |
Robson in 2013: "This is not a case of repressed memory," said Robson. "I have never forgotten one moment of what Michael did to me, but I was psychologically and emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse."
r422 Caught in ANOTHER lie.
by Anonymous | reply 423 | March 4, 2019 6:01 AM |
r396 THEY SHOULD GET EVERY FUCKING PENNY@
by Anonymous | reply 424 | March 4, 2019 6:04 AM |
Its like the "Moonwalkers" are going after WADE... as their main focus. Oh so lets say Wade is lying ( which I dont believe for one second) But if he was... OKAY and the rest???? where there is smoke...
by Anonymous | reply 425 | March 4, 2019 6:07 AM |
I DID watch part 2, r422. Wade speaks openly about lying on the stand and knowing he was lying because he was afraid of what would happen to Michael (and himself) if he told the truth.
Near the end of part 2 there's also interview footage where Wade tells the interviewer that he wanted to make clear it was NOT a case of "repressed memories" as some were reporting in the press.
by Anonymous | reply 426 | March 4, 2019 6:10 AM |
r426. The MJ fans have been preparing for weeks in advance, with the same info being used repeated over and over as a way to defend MJ. Its the same things, on twitter, on youtube, in gif's... so easy to see through.
by Anonymous | reply 427 | March 4, 2019 6:12 AM |
[quote] [R405] is Janbot. The brothers primary source of income is from touring, on,y randy doesn’t tour. You’re getting your info from Wikipedia janbot. Marlon had financial problems as have several other brothers and Michael or Katherine had to help them out financially. Katherine was smart enough to turn the estate over to professionals who quickly turned it around by licensing the hell out of his music. Katherine was busted a few years forging a deed to the Encino home. With Oprah hosting the after documentary special it’s safe to say her relationship and access to any of the jacksons is gone.
R15 so now there are only 2 people who don’t believe the accusations, Tito and “Janbot”. Does that really sound plausible. There are millions of people who don’t believe the accusations. Probably because we are capable of using some degree of logic. Your assertions are not logical.
I actually have sources for my info. You think because you pulled some rumors out of your ass and shouted “janbot”; that makes you credible. No that’s not how that works.
We can agree to disagree about Jackson. And I can explain exactly why I don’t find the claims to be credible. Can anyone here explain their virulent hatred for the rest of the Jackson family. We know very little about their lives. If they’ve had financial problems; so what, so have any number of people. If the family bailed them out, again so what. That wouldn’t be unusual. And we don’t know any of that to be true. What we do know is that by the 1990s; they had already worked for 20 yrs. I would imagine that like most people. They’ve had their share of ups and downs. Is that a reason to hate them? Michael’s children and his mother are the only ones who get anything from the estate. And even if that weren’t the case. Again so what. Wealthy families quite often live off of the tremendous wealth (or the opportunities it provides) initiated and mostly generated by 1 family member. If that were the case here (and it’s not) it wouldn’t be unusual and why would it matter to you. The people managing the estate are certainly getting rich and their families will certainly benefit from that wealth.
Some of you claim to care so much about innocent people being mistreated. And you’re going to prove that by hating and attacking innocent people. People about whom you know nothing.
by Anonymous | reply 428 | March 4, 2019 6:13 AM |
And in Oprahs interview, she will ask the same hard questions. What next will the " Moonwalkers" come up with? Saw this patterned reaction with Weinstein, Cosby, Rkelly, and now amplify that by 10000 and you have the response to MJ. Luckily more people are started to see the documentary, and balancing the scales. As many fans as he had, there are many who arent and always thought him a peculiar thing.
by Anonymous | reply 429 | March 4, 2019 6:15 AM |
Just a creep. Creepy phony son of a bitch. Just nasty and lowdown. Those poor children. He just used Wade as a booty call. The voicemail they played of Michael calling Wade when he needed him during the Jordan scandal sounding all like Janet. "Hey applehead". UGH. I wanted to punch him in his ugly plastic surgery freak face. Sick manipulative fuck. I never liked ANY of the Jacksons. Big nose ugly fake motherfuckers.
by Anonymous | reply 430 | March 4, 2019 6:20 AM |
Thank you, r423.
It's interesting, r427, the different tactics they use. Some go for the all out blitz; others, like r422, try to undermine in subtler ways, repeating a lie as if it were common knowledge. Bunch of gaslighters.
by Anonymous | reply 431 | March 4, 2019 6:22 AM |
R427 They honestly do not care if he molested children or not. They see him as a deity, someone who is not answerable to the same laws as everybody else and someone who is above all karma. They only care about his image being tarnished in public and not being able enjoying the same position they did before.
by Anonymous | reply 432 | March 4, 2019 6:27 AM |
[quote] And in Oprahs interview, she will ask the same hard questions. What next will the " Moonwalkers" come up with? Saw this patterned reaction with Weinstein, Cosby, Rkelly, and now amplify that by 10000 and you have the response to MJ. Luckily more people are started to see the documentary, and balancing the scales. As many fans as he had, there are many who arent and always thought him a peculiar thing.
Most people’s opinions were already pretty much set in stone. And we had already seen Robson sit down with Matt Lauer, a yr or 2 ago. Whether they believe the accusations or whether they support Jackson, most people’s minds are already made up. Which this thread and the crazy comments make abundantly clear, particularly the comments about the extended family.
by Anonymous | reply 433 | March 4, 2019 6:29 AM |
R428, is that supposed to be some defense of MJ? If so, it’s terrible.
You can deflect all you want by talking about Jackson’s family, but they’re not the story here. You offered NOTHING that makes Michael Jackson anything but a pedophile.
by Anonymous | reply 434 | March 4, 2019 6:29 AM |
A former cook at Michael Jackson’s Neverland ranch testified Saturday that he witnessed the pop star molest former child star Macaulay Culkin in 1991. Phillip LeMarque, who worked as Jackson’s cook for ten months in 1991, testified that during that period he was asked to deliver French fries to the singer in the ranch’s arcade room around 3 a.m. one night. When he arrived with the food, he says he saw Jackson and then-eleven-year-old Culkin playing a video game. He then allegedly saw that Jackson had one hand inside the Home Alone star’s shorts.
“He was holding the kid — he was small, he probably couldn’t reach the controls,” said LeMarque, according to reports. “His left hand was inside the pants of the kid . . . down into the pants . . . in the crotch area . . . I was shocked. I almost dropped the French fries.” He said he chose not to confront Jackson because “nobody would have ever believed this.”
During cross-examination, the defense pointed out that LeMarque had tried to sell the story to a tabloid before deciding against it. “We were tempted by the money, for sure,” the chef responded. “Everybody would be tempted. But it was against our principles.”
The prosecution called LeMarque to the stand as one of a series of witnesses intended to demonstrate that Jackson, who is charged with molesting a thirteen-year-old in early 2003, has a history of inappropriate behavior with young boys. A representative for Culkin has publicly denied that he was molested during his friendship with Jackson.
by Anonymous | reply 435 | March 4, 2019 6:31 AM |
I snooped at Lipstick Alley and was shocked that one thread seemed to lean anti-MJ. Many some people are finally walking up.
by Anonymous | reply 436 | March 4, 2019 6:34 AM |
We still can't figure out human nature, just as there are people who refuse to accept the truth about Michael like there are fervent fans of Trump. Neither could do no wrong but if they did it's ignored and excused.
by Anonymous | reply 437 | March 4, 2019 6:34 AM |
*maybe some people are finally waking*
by Anonymous | reply 438 | March 4, 2019 6:35 AM |
James safechuck is what, an 8? He's so hot as an adult. Lve his sweet voice.
by Anonymous | reply 439 | March 4, 2019 6:35 AM |
Hey M.J. fans...where were all of Michael's girlfriends when all this was happening?
by Anonymous | reply 440 | March 4, 2019 6:39 AM |
[quote] [R428], is that supposed to be some defense of MJ? If so, it’s terrible. You can deflect all you want by talking about Jackson’s family, but they’re not the story here. You offered NOTHING that makes Michael Jackson anything but a pedophile
I’m not the one who dragged the entire family into this. I simply addressed comments that Robson/ Safechunk supporters made about the family. If you actually read my post. Then you know that I questioned why others were making the family the story. So someone here may be deflecting but I am not.
Again though most people’s minds were already made up, one way or the other. I don’t know that anyone is trying to convince anyone else to change their mind. It’s just 2 sides that will continue to disagree.
by Anonymous | reply 441 | March 4, 2019 6:39 AM |
Safechuck is like a 7.5. He's cute.
by Anonymous | reply 442 | March 4, 2019 6:40 AM |
R436 It really does seem like something near 50% at each side at Lipstick Alley. That is something.
Have any celebrities chimed in with their support of Jacko?
by Anonymous | reply 443 | March 4, 2019 6:45 AM |
r435. Yikes. MC will probably never admit!
by Anonymous | reply 444 | March 4, 2019 6:45 AM |
I believe their accounts. If they were making it up, they would have tried to put on being angry about it, but they didn't. From both themselves and their families there was almost a whistful quality to their recollections -like it's difficult to separate the good from the horrible.
by Anonymous | reply 445 | March 4, 2019 6:47 AM |
[quote]James safechuck is what, an 8? He's so hot as an adult. Lve his sweet voice.
Enh, he’s okay. Wade is the really sexy one. That voice. Mmm. (I mean ADULT Wade!) I kind of want to put my tongue in his anus. (NOW! Not then!) He would be a little sexier with a mustache instead of the chin hair though.
Anyone watching the documentary who isn’t a complete moron can see that both guys are telling the truth. It’s like people watching Michael Cohen and saying “He lied the whole time!” They either have absolutely no ability to read people and evaluate honesty and credibility, or they simply didn’t watch it and are just repeating a line.
by Anonymous | reply 446 | March 4, 2019 6:55 AM |
I found most of the celebrity twitter accounts quiet on the issue r443. Some said "disturbing stories" or something to that effect, but no indictment of Jackson. I think many are afraid of speaking out about him because some still defend in him in Hollywood, I guess?
I remember back in 1993 watching The World Music Awards, I thought it was bizarre Michael watching the awards with now who we know was Jordan Chandler, without a care in the world. It was unsettling.
by Anonymous | reply 447 | March 4, 2019 7:06 AM |
Just finished part 2. I completely believe these guys. The fact that they lied for Jackson in the past makes complete sense. And I believe Jackson molested Caulkin too, but I think Caulkin is going to take it to his grave.
Fuck MJ and fuck the Jacksons. They are all beyond garbage.
by Anonymous | reply 448 | March 4, 2019 10:00 AM |
Maybe he was receiving money from Jackson that stopped when he died.
by Anonymous | reply 449 | March 4, 2019 10:29 AM |
Wade’s brother, Shane, is hot af!
by Anonymous | reply 451 | March 4, 2019 10:33 AM |
God, I hate the Jacksons, especially that stupid emo cunt, Paris.
by Anonymous | reply 452 | March 4, 2019 10:35 AM |
Okay folks... if in these trying days ahead, you bump into the robotic MJ truthers and they say OH THE FBI followed him around for 10 years and found nothing! Please read the link:
Here we have linked the file the FBI held on Michael Jackson, but we need to clear something up first.
If anyone tells you “The FBI followed Michael Jackson around for 10 years and found nothing”, this is patently untrue. The FBI was NOT following MJ or tapping his phone, or doing anything that they would normally do in a federal case. The sex abuse cases were matters handled by local police (the Santa Barbara police department and the LAPD).
The only time the FBI was involved was when the police requested that they interview someone outside their jurisdiction, or when they requested the FBI analyze a video or computer for them (because they didn’t have the proper technology available). There was never an “FBI investigation”, it was always the FBI helping local police departments on specific tasks requested of them.
by Anonymous | reply 454 | March 4, 2019 10:49 AM |
If anyone tells you “The FBI followed Michael Jackson around for 10 years and found nothing”, this is patently untrue. The FBI was NOT following MJ or tapping his phone, or doing anything that they would normally do in a federal case. The sex abuse cases were matters handled by local police (the Santa Barbara police department and the LAPD).
by Anonymous | reply 455 | March 4, 2019 10:51 AM |
Didn't MJ play smell my finger with Justin Timberlake?
by Anonymous | reply 456 | March 4, 2019 11:00 AM |
Did MJ supporters also vote for Trump? The delusion on twitter that he's innocent is insane! He was not a nice guy, he was a PEDOPHILE.
safechuck was very credible to me, there is no doubt MJ seduced the families with money, fame, and the lifestyle while diddling their kids. Dumb, stupid, vapid, famewhore Moms pimped their kids out for limo rides and celebrity parties.
Really really sad.
by Anonymous | reply 457 | March 4, 2019 11:04 AM |
Sorry r457 is this the wade Robson that allegedly broke up Britney and Justin? Cry me a river...?
by Anonymous | reply 458 | March 4, 2019 11:05 AM |
Every once in a while the question pops up – did Michael Jackson own child pornography?
To begin, we need to clear something up. How do our lawmakers define child pornography? The paraphrased legal definition of child pornography is images of children engaged in sexual conduct[1]. Sexual Conduct includes penetration, masturbation, and lewd or lascivious sexual acts whether alone or with others.
by Anonymous | reply 459 | March 4, 2019 11:43 AM |
I said this one the other thread but Wade Robson looked just like Britney when he was younger, crazy that he would sleep with his doppelganger
by Anonymous | reply 460 | March 4, 2019 11:47 AM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
by Anonymous | reply 461 | March 4, 2019 11:50 AM |
Engaging with a MJ loon is no different than engaging with a deplorable. All crimes never happened and any other questionable or immoral behavior is irrelevant. They're just sick people with a sick obsession. I know it can be difficult to believe because people don't want his music tainted for them. It's painfully obvious there's total truth to it though. Jimmy was even shaking during part of his interview and if he only wanted $ he would've sold those rings years ago.
by Anonymous | reply 462 | March 4, 2019 11:57 AM |
MJ stans talk a lot about changing the laws so a dead person (through his estate, obviously) can sue for defamation. Because the rights of the dead (who have no feelings to injure, and no income to lose) should triumph over the rights of the living. You could have the zombie Michael Jackson suing HBO 500 years from now. MJ is a god to his fans.
by Anonymous | reply 463 | March 4, 2019 12:19 PM |
Just like deplorables/repugs. Dead people and corporations legally treated like living human beings. What a great crew to be a part of.
by Anonymous | reply 464 | March 4, 2019 12:24 PM |
Yes r458 it casts that whole scene in a new light doesn’t it, MJ was fucking Wade at 7, whatever pedo posse was passing round Timberlake from like 10-15, whoever knows with Britney though she probably had it easier than the boys (speculation cuz rapists of boys don’t have to worry about knocking them up or even much about bruises since boys play rougher)
Then come teenage years, Britney & Justin are super in love and saving themselves for marriage, yeah right .... Justin mooning around over Wade - writing credits on his songs, Wade’s clumsy sister dancing center stage with Justin on massive tour ..... then Wade fucks Britney & that all blows up.... meanwhile MJ is the industry GOAT, Timberlake chases his career for like a decade ...... FUCKED UP
by Anonymous | reply 465 | March 4, 2019 1:16 PM |
The Michael Jackson accusers: ‘The abuse didn't feel strange because he was like a god’
by Anonymous | reply 466 | March 4, 2019 1:34 PM |
Is the person who keeps misspelling "Safechuck" as "Safechunk" a troll trying to make fun of a sexual molestation victim's last name...or is he just plain fucking stupid?
by Anonymous | reply 467 | March 4, 2019 1:41 PM |
I feel so horrible for these guys. MJ was a monster.
by Anonymous | reply 468 | March 4, 2019 1:46 PM |
R384 She’d been spending too much time with Jared Leto who masterfully grooms girls too.
Jared Leto is gay.
by Anonymous | reply 469 | March 4, 2019 1:50 PM |
Wade was the ugly one of the harem and too needy and desperate that's why he was just a jump off. He's the hottest one now though. jimmy was beautiful and luminous as a child. Macaulay was similar to him that's why Wade was once again thrown to the side. Then MJ found another Australian who was prettier and once again Wade was just a backup. They all liked the bragging rights of being "friends" with MJ and even more so secret lovers. They all wanted to be stars even though MJ never did a damn thing to help their careers. He was just like R. Kelly. It's sooooo fucked up. I have no idea why they were/are so smitten with that freak. Jimmy's mom saying MJ was like her son. Yeah, but HE'S NOT you dumb bitch. He played them like a game of chess. You just know MJ was secretly laughing at these broads at how easy this all was. He had his routine down pat. He planned it ALL. Set the house up as a lair for children. Even when I was a teen I didn't wanna hang around children let alone as a GROWN MAN. Fuck outta here you idol worshipping MJ fan freaks. You all are ALL LOSERS. WAKE UP dumbasses.
by Anonymous | reply 470 | March 4, 2019 2:08 PM |
[quote]When do Paris and Blanket and the other kid get control of their inheritance if there is anything left for them?
I'm surprised Paris hasn't tried to take legal action against her mooching uncles and cousins.
by Anonymous | reply 471 | March 4, 2019 2:18 PM |
R469 maybe he isn't grooming them for himself...
by Anonymous | reply 472 | March 4, 2019 2:27 PM |
The Michael stans are like adults that believe in Santa Claus. Even if McCauley came forward, they would say he was lying. They are like the Jacksons who also can’t admit Michael was flawed and abused children. Heck, they can’t even admit Joe Jackson sexually abused his own children.
by Anonymous | reply 473 | March 4, 2019 2:30 PM |
Wendy Wiliams says it's all a lie. That she doesn't believe a word. That no sexual activity occured. See....
by Anonymous | reply 474 | March 4, 2019 2:32 PM |
[quote]The Michael Jackson accusers: ‘The abuse didn't feel strange because he was like a god’
And there a women, with all the information out there that would be thrilled if Trump grabbed their pussy. The seduction of celebrity.
by Anonymous | reply 475 | March 4, 2019 2:39 PM |
[quote]Wendy Wiliams says it's all a lie. That she doesn't believe a word. That no sexual activity occured. See....
Didn't she just come back from a good "rest"?
by Anonymous | reply 476 | March 4, 2019 2:41 PM |
I understand Trump is a major annoyance but does he have to be mentioned in EVERY thread? Good god it's nice to get away from discussions about him, even in a depressing thread like this
by Anonymous | reply 477 | March 4, 2019 2:43 PM |
I just keep thinking - if Jackson's paedophilia was so entrenched, happening to so many boys and happening for so long then people like Taylor and Minelli MUST have been aware of it on some level. There's just no way they wouldn't have known.
by Anonymous | reply 478 | March 4, 2019 2:43 PM |
Wendy Williams is deluded.
by Anonymous | reply 479 | March 4, 2019 2:44 PM |
R472 It's possible but I don't think he's that evil.
by Anonymous | reply 480 | March 4, 2019 2:49 PM |
'Leaving Neverland' director explains why he didn't interview Macaulay Culkin for his brutal Michael Jackson documentary
by Anonymous | reply 481 | March 4, 2019 2:50 PM |
It’s hard for MJ fans to admit THEY were also groomed by Michael. They bought his act of it’s only love, I’m innocent, I would never hurt a child. All told to them while he is actually dating and sexing kids. Turns my stomach.
by Anonymous | reply 482 | March 4, 2019 2:52 PM |
MJ using the word “homosexual” in the same sentence as “Freak” and “child molester” burning hell, MJ
by Anonymous | reply 483 | March 4, 2019 2:53 PM |
Wade dated Michael's niece Brandi and she has been trashing him quite a bit on twitter.
by Anonymous | reply 484 | March 4, 2019 2:56 PM |
Timberlake is gay here's picture of his wife/beard and her partner. Britney is also gay you can see her partner is 'Britney: For the Record'
by Anonymous | reply 485 | March 4, 2019 2:56 PM |
"It's all conspiracy. You have to know that.." Pretty much says it all. Did Pat Ramsey write that speech for him?
by Anonymous | reply 486 | March 4, 2019 2:56 PM |
Rap star: Britney enjoyed lesbian orgies | Irish Examiner
by Anonymous | reply 487 | March 4, 2019 3:00 PM |
R485, just stop with the everyone is gay narrative.
by Anonymous | reply 488 | March 4, 2019 3:00 PM |
Them both saying he said how horrible women were really showed how paranoid he was about the mother's finding out. It was really such a thought out, calculated, twisted plan. Brainwashing 101. It was also very creepy how they both said the same things about his nipples and spreading their cheeks.
by Anonymous | reply 489 | March 4, 2019 3:03 PM |
I don't care what he looked like as a kid, but Safechuck is my type as an adult: his voice is beautiful, and his speaks in this really endearing way. I love when he bites his lip because something's uncomfortable to mention.
by Anonymous | reply 490 | March 4, 2019 3:05 PM |
R488 not everyone but every A-list star in Hollywood #gaymafia
by Anonymous | reply 491 | March 4, 2019 3:07 PM |
I think everyone in hollywood is gay or bi. No real straight man goes into show business. haha. no way.
by Anonymous | reply 492 | March 4, 2019 3:14 PM |
James is a doll
by Anonymous | reply 493 | March 4, 2019 3:16 PM |
Does anyone care what this has been dwarf has to say?
by Anonymous | reply 495 | March 4, 2019 3:24 PM |
How is it about money if the boys never got paid for the doc? Oh black people.
by Anonymous | reply 496 | March 4, 2019 3:24 PM |
R492 I agree It's like the fashion business where every designer is gay.
by Anonymous | reply 497 | March 4, 2019 3:26 PM |
R497 Totally. These people are already playing pretend. Y'all don't think they would create a false image for monetary gain? And elite social status? To secure the bag and their career? Their livelihood? Y'all better wake up and pay attention. They are ALL a sham.
by Anonymous | reply 498 | March 4, 2019 3:32 PM |
A quote from Wade form the second part of the documentary:
“The story that I had been telling all these years, the lies that I had been telling about, you know, that none of this sexual stuff had ever happened, like, that was...that story....that version of the story was the whole foundation of my life, and my sister’s, and my brother’s life. I mean, like, my whole life with Michael was the reason my family split apart and we moved to America, and, you know, like, it’s all wrapped up in that. And now it’s like this whole, the whole foundation of this story was bullshit, you know?”
Keep in mind that his father committed suicide the same day his older brother left Australia to join Wade and the family in California. Seriously, try to imagine how much pressure was on Wade, starting at the age of seven. If you really sit down and watch this entire documentary, and still find yourself defending MJ, you’re fucked up. Period. I guarantee that Wendy Williams did not sit down and watch the entire four hours. She watched a couple of excerpts, she had people tell her about other parts of it, she went to some message boards. Just like every other MJ fan. None of them will actually sit their crazy asses down and spend four hours on this.
by Anonymous | reply 499 | March 4, 2019 3:40 PM |
Jimmy's like ... a 7 yeah.
by Anonymous | reply 500 | March 4, 2019 3:41 PM |
Corey Feldman puzzles me. He is always going on about abuse in Hollywood and what he and Corey Haim endured, but when victims have the balls to stand up and tell their story naming names, he calls them liars. He's a real POS.
by Anonymous | reply 501 | March 4, 2019 3:52 PM |
I believe the victims. Let’s not pretend that MJ is still not a cash cow for the Jackson family, music studios, and entertainment companies. They will defend MJ beyond the grave, even if it means vilifying victims. #LeavingNeverland #MichaelJackson #TimesUp
by Anonymous | reply 502 | March 4, 2019 3:54 PM |
The first part of Michael Jackson documentary leaving neverland has aired and we can see the parents of victims Robson & Safechuck missed many 'warnings'. Here are some *red flags* to look out for. The person *you* see is NOT same one* the victims see:
by Anonymous | reply 503 | March 4, 2019 3:56 PM |
corey feldman is so ridiculously stupid. haha. Like for real. He's a joke. I've never wasted my time on anything he's said. pay no attention.
by Anonymous | reply 504 | March 4, 2019 3:57 PM |
Black Michael Jackson fans are suggesting that because these two victims are white, that's why many care.
Perhaps, but where were Black men when countless Black women accused R. Kelly in January?
Y'all don't believe Black victims either. Stop projecting.
by Anonymous | reply 505 | March 4, 2019 3:57 PM |
R498 True. It's sad that seeing people worship celebrities like gods.
by Anonymous | reply 506 | March 4, 2019 4:00 PM |
[quote]The Michael stans are like adults that believe in Santa Claus. Even if McCauley came forward, they would say he was lying. They are like the Jacksons who also can’t admit Michael was flawed and abused children.
Yes, I've seen this in the Jacko supporters I know personally. They are otherwise reasonable, even quite intelligent people. Yet mention MJ and it's like their IQs take a 50 point plunge. It's like this weird dull light goes off in their brains, and they become thick and naive.... Childlike, guileless, dull. It's actually quite quite scary to see as they are 90% female and most have young children of their own. I have no idea what it means, but I am grateful I was never brainwashed by any celebrity. I never would bother defending any of them personally who I did not know.
by Anonymous | reply 507 | March 4, 2019 4:00 PM |
R504 I agree I think he's a liar and a fake.
by Anonymous | reply 508 | March 4, 2019 4:00 PM |
Feldman was too old To have been molested anyways. I don’t think he touched Celebrity children, I think he used them as a “honeypot” like Harvey Weinstein used his female assistants and secretaries. Plus Feldman has been pretty ugly throughout his life.
by Anonymous | reply 509 | March 4, 2019 4:01 PM |
In a matter of days I predict Michael Jackson songs will be taken off radio playlists. The MJ exhibition will be closed as will the other celebrations of his life.
by Anonymous | reply 510 | March 4, 2019 4:04 PM |
“Hard to watch, tougher to ignore, impossible to forget.”
by Anonymous | reply 511 | March 4, 2019 4:05 PM |
Jimmy doesn't seem that gay.
by Anonymous | reply 512 | March 4, 2019 4:05 PM |
R506 It's pathetic. Watching the doc and seeing all those people falling and screaming over wacko jacko. I would NEVER. Not for ANYONE. haha. It's a mental illness. bizarre bizarre bizarre.
by Anonymous | reply 513 | March 4, 2019 4:05 PM |
It’s weird how he would dress them up as 10 yr old versions of himself and then stick his tongue up their asses!?!?!
by Anonymous | reply 514 | March 4, 2019 4:06 PM |
R512 It doesn't matter really.
by Anonymous | reply 515 | March 4, 2019 4:07 PM |
Michael Jackson music banned from BBC after Leaving Neverland child abuse claims
by Anonymous | reply 516 | March 4, 2019 4:08 PM |
Most people who hurt people were themselves victims of some sort of trauma and on some level we can have compassion for that but at the same time he became a sadistic monster who in addition to his good deeds and music destroyed the lives of innumerable children then his own.
by Anonymous | reply 517 | March 4, 2019 4:09 PM |
Deluded retard Stephanie Mils can’t stand it when people have a different opinion about MJ. Remember her post after gay singer/songwriter said he wasn’t a big MJ fan? The racial insults she threw his way...
by Anonymous | reply 518 | March 4, 2019 4:09 PM |
“Leaving Neverland” Reveals The Monster We Didn’t Want To See In Michael Jackson
by Anonymous | reply 519 | March 4, 2019 4:09 PM |
Are they seriously still gonna bring that MJ musical to broadway? Ewww. R512 Come on now gurl. Does a bear shit in the woods?
by Anonymous | reply 520 | March 4, 2019 4:10 PM |
I do think both Wade and James are gay but It's not about their sexuality the docu is about Jackson being a serial pedophile and his victims.
by Anonymous | reply 521 | March 4, 2019 4:12 PM |
She’s a truly stupid woman, R518. Just pitiful.
by Anonymous | reply 522 | March 4, 2019 4:12 PM |
What is this musical genius shit? He was never on my iPod. He couldn't sing as an adult. He stole the moonwalk. He didn't play instruments or anything. I will never understand this infatuation of an obvious freakazoid.
by Anonymous | reply 523 | March 4, 2019 4:15 PM |
R517 While I believe MJ was sick pedo. I think Judd Apatow shouldn't comment on MJ and other sexual abuse, rape, or harassment topics. Apatow has never commented on the accusations against James Franco and I bet there are other skeletons in the closets of Apatow's douchebag Hollywood squad.
by Anonymous | reply 524 | March 4, 2019 4:23 PM |
R523, I was going to say something similar. He was good, but I always thought he was overrated. Michael benefitted from two things, childhood goodwill from the Jackson 5 and the emergence of MTV. I have always preferred Prince, now he was a true musical genius.
by Anonymous | reply 525 | March 4, 2019 4:30 PM |
Should be on a double bill with Gregg Araki's MYSTERIOUS SKIN (2004).
by Anonymous | reply 526 | March 4, 2019 4:31 PM |
The MJ stans are attacking Chantal Robson on Facebook.
by Anonymous | reply 527 | March 4, 2019 4:57 PM |
Of course they are, R527.
by Anonymous | reply 528 | March 4, 2019 5:04 PM |
You ask almost any recording artist under the age of 30 who their biggest influence was 9 times out of 10 they say Michael Jackson.
by Anonymous | reply 529 | March 4, 2019 5:11 PM |
Overrated. 'Off the Wall' is his only great album and it's a 70's record. Thriller was good but very gimmicky and has not aged very well. EVERYTHING that came after? Soooooooo mediocre.
by Anonymous | reply 530 | March 4, 2019 5:12 PM |
Not certain there had to be “so Many”. It seems as though the Pedo Michael took time to groom them, then kept several on a string for a decade.
He knew he had to keep their friendships intact to survive. If there were a dozen I would be surprised. I also think had pimps trafficked children for him on the road someone would have sold the story by now... which begs the question “What is in Pecker’s vaults?”
It is time for DOJ to subpoena NE David Pecker for blackmail and extortion charges. Maybe that would put an end to that scourge.
by Anonymous | reply 531 | March 4, 2019 5:12 PM |
The mother in the doco said he was working on a new boy every year between 1987 and 1994.
by Anonymous | reply 532 | March 4, 2019 5:14 PM |
Is James' father dead? If not, why wasn't he interviewed? Just curious.
by Anonymous | reply 533 | March 4, 2019 5:17 PM |
I have HBO GO, but I couldn't handle 4 hours of this. I think he probably had other victims. I hate to say this, but he traveled to many conuntries where they are either poor or he was revered. I can see him procuring boys in the poor countries and in places like Japan, I can see this wackos handing over their kids, much like the moms in the doc. So it's not surprising they aren't talking. I think the grooming was for longer term 'relationships.'
by Anonymous | reply 534 | March 4, 2019 5:22 PM |
R533 I wondered about that. If the father is still alive, he might just not wanted to be interviewed.
by Anonymous | reply 535 | March 4, 2019 5:23 PM |
Guilt and shame, R533. James mentioned that his father was a strong defender of MJ.
by Anonymous | reply 536 | March 4, 2019 5:26 PM |
I remember exactly where I was when the verdict for his criminal trial came out. At the time, my aunt worked at an imaging center and I needed to get a scan, so I went to hers. While I was in the waiting room, they had CNN on the TV. I can vividly remember an entire chorus of frauen gasping at the not guilty verdict, then shaking their heads. People knew he was a pedo.
by Anonymous | reply 537 | March 4, 2019 5:35 PM |
R436, snooped? Are we all supposed to run over to LSA and bother to see? Who cares what they think? Bad enough we have to endure them here!
Visiting LSA, you'd better wipe your browser history of everything. Clear your cookies individually in settings or you'll be bombarded with ads directed towards a certain demographic..
Even just clicking here on one of their Youtube links and you'll be viewing their entire search history in the related videos.
An example; after visiting YT for an appliance repair a bunch of vids came up in my feed "What were slaves fed on plantations?" "Women thought her mother was white" "Celebrities you didn't know were black!"
Took over an hour of meticulous file deleting until my device lost the stank.
So think before you click on ANYTHING. Think or you will stink.
by Anonymous | reply 538 | March 4, 2019 5:47 PM |
Japan? R534? Guess you've never been 😂
by Anonymous | reply 539 | March 4, 2019 5:51 PM |
Search for this closed thread & read :Michael Jackson Was My Lover' Stories - my God, my God...he was a monster
by Anonymous | reply 540 | March 4, 2019 6:12 PM |
R540 Here's the closed thread
DL told you first
by Anonymous | reply 541 | March 4, 2019 6:36 PM |
Thanks R540 - so deeply, deeply sick
by Anonymous | reply 542 | March 4, 2019 6:48 PM |
I mean thanks R541
by Anonymous | reply 543 | March 4, 2019 6:48 PM |
Yeah, watch what you're clicking on. Sometimes in some places there's a loophole which reveals not only the YT searches but transfered the persons entire google search history into my browser. When Iooking up the case the person had linked to (the linked site was wonky, not DL itself) brought up all search results and sites the troll had visited. Lipstick Alley links to that case, blog named Sandra Rose, DL links, their local newsites and even their own forum and blogs. Not so sneaky systemic race baiting troll. Old woman dwelling in a housing project apartment the size of my walk in closet.
by Anonymous | reply 544 | March 4, 2019 7:06 PM |
After this documentary, will more victims come out?
by Anonymous | reply 545 | March 4, 2019 7:09 PM |
King Of Pedo. Nasty fuck. Someone should've ripped that wig off his head in the courtroom.
by Anonymous | reply 546 | March 4, 2019 7:09 PM |
It's totally safe to click on inner DL linked threads. This site is tight. It's when you click off onto another site (mentioned above) who has not patched their IT commands.
by Anonymous | reply 547 | March 4, 2019 7:10 PM |
I don’t know how safe other victims would feel coming forward, even now. Jorden Chandler, the one we know MJ settled with, was stalked and harassed for years by MJ stans.
by Anonymous | reply 548 | March 4, 2019 7:23 PM |
R548, those crazy MJ stans who hunt down and stalk others are largely comprised of no life, poor shut ins on benefits who connect on forums, LSA and FB. They're constantly pestering us here with their PR. They're always cut off at the knees by Reddit as the mods there wizened up. They're fuming about losing Reddit access. There's butt hurt threads demonizing Reddit, Websleuths and the extinct IMBD boards they forced into closure active here as of today.
by Anonymous | reply 549 | March 4, 2019 7:36 PM |
R387, MJ was doing the same thing when he was around 19 or 20. He became obsessed with a little black boy and was calling him nonstop for hours at a time. Can't remember the kid's name. This behavior dates all the way back to MJ's teens.
by Anonymous | reply 550 | March 4, 2019 8:20 PM |
I just watched the first hour. Will watch more tomorrow. Anyways, Jimmy comes across as very believable. I was surprised. The MJ truthers like to paint a picture of him and Wade lying, that it's obvious when we see it. I disagree. What he said, his body language when he said it... he was clearly very uncomfortable. How can he fake that? If he was faking all of that and lied about everything he deserves an Oscar, seriously. His body language was very telling.
by Anonymous | reply 551 | March 4, 2019 8:35 PM |
The family knew. Here is an interview with Latoya Jackson.
by Anonymous | reply 552 | March 4, 2019 9:20 PM |
Latoya speaks a lot of sense, shame nobody believed her, including Couric. She must secretly feel a little vindicated right now.
by Anonymous | reply 553 | March 4, 2019 9:29 PM |
The way Jimmy spoke about Michael it almost sounded like he was in love with him. I'm shocked to find out he's straight.
by Anonymous | reply 554 | March 4, 2019 9:47 PM |
Jimmy seems to regard him as his first love and (perhaps?) he has never fully gotten over those feelings, which must make the emotional damage of sustained abuse even more difficult to understand and manage.
by Anonymous | reply 555 | March 4, 2019 9:54 PM |
What was most fascinating about LaToya's claims at the time were that the family had already paid out substantial money to victims and Katherine held the bills in her hand and called Michael a "f*****". Cut to several years after. The Jacksons, as they never do, didn't pay on a storage locker. The contents were bought by a private party and included were numerous ledgers, letters and photos which corroborate what LaToya said.
by Anonymous | reply 556 | March 4, 2019 10:07 PM |
R554, Wade said in part 2 that he was in love with Michael. It was part of the grooming process and I think that's why so many won't come out against Michael, even years later. The whole thing had to be a mindfuck, especially to young boys.
by Anonymous | reply 557 | March 4, 2019 10:14 PM |
r557. Yep this is why the documentary is so much more important than just exposing MJ. as r96 wrote... people love to make it this linear thing. This type of abuse doesnt process for many the way people want their victims to process trauma! Why did you lie in court? why didnt you tell anyone? Just making it this WELL IF something bad DID happen, and if it was TRUE why did you do XYZ.? Which are questions that should be encouraged, but if they really saw, that how they responded is actually pretty text book for childhood abuse victims!
by Anonymous | reply 558 | March 4, 2019 10:36 PM |
The boys mind's are fucked for life. They will never be ok. Imagine how the boys who spoke up and were shut down feel. Can you imagine their perception of this depraved world?
by Anonymous | reply 559 | March 4, 2019 10:40 PM |
The thing that boggles my mind is why does my fellow Black Community cape so hard for this man? Browsing through twitter, all the eye rolling, defense from the black community blows me away! He clearly wanted nothing to do with being black!!!!! Hypermasculinity is like mufuckin an elixir of gold to my community, and this man with dozens of nose jobs, tattood makeup, lip stick, eyeliner, and they choose to look the other way? A black woman singer would never get away with altering her physical appearance to such a degree. she would be crucified.... The misogyny in the black community is unreal! Childhood sexual abuse is so prevalent in the black family unit and community, but as we have seen, people like to say, Oh no one cares about black girls, black children, people, when they are abused... yeah EVEN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY! They dont believe, denial, look the other way, or blame the victims. So you can see dynamics bleeding into the defense of MJ from my community, and it's really really sad. I hope and pray more victims of his come out, because it seems nothing gets through to these weird folk, unless DOZENS step forward... which is sad!
by Anonymous | reply 560 | March 4, 2019 10:47 PM |
Michael Jackson ‘Never Touched Me Inappropriately,’ Corey Feldman Insists
by Anonymous | reply 561 | March 4, 2019 10:49 PM |
If he wasn't a pedophile, why would he have continued to have boys around him after having to pay off the first boy 20 million? You'd think he would have learned his lesson after losing that kind of money, as well as worrying his sainted mmother /s.
by Anonymous | reply 562 | March 4, 2019 10:50 PM |
Oh god. I started watching this at lunch today at work. Nothing really no and for fuck sakes it was boring as hell. I made it about 20 minutes in before giving up. Fuck it was dull. What a disappointment.
by Anonymous | reply 563 | March 4, 2019 10:52 PM |
Would anyone really give away 20 million dollars if they were innocent?
by Anonymous | reply 564 | March 4, 2019 10:52 PM |
R562 I remember watching some documentary years ago, where they stated WHATEVER MICHAEL WANTS MICHAEL GETS! That to the public he was this sweet, shy, woman voice, soft spoken angel, but in reality to have that kind of coverage, and protection, and grooming to kids and families, just shows how cunning he actually was.
by Anonymous | reply 565 | March 4, 2019 10:53 PM |
What's so sickening are two things. One: the parents who allowed an adult male to take their sons to bed with him. And two: EVERYBODY knew Michael Jackson was molesting young boys. And no one did anything or said anything. His behavior was just Michael Jackson being Michael Jackson, the man child who just loved little children. He reminds me of the ugly, talentless Jimmy Savile, the serial rapist/molester. His behavior was also well known, but it was dismissed as "just Jimmy being Jimmy." And during his lifetime he was considered a British "national treasure" who worked tirelessly on behalf of charities that helped children; he was feted and given awards and greatly mourned when he died. He went to his grave without ever being punished for his crimes. Just like Michael Jackson.
by Anonymous | reply 566 | March 4, 2019 10:53 PM |
Of course they are telling the truth. I kept watching and listening to the mothers - and Wade's sister - saying how close they were to MJ, how much he loved them....how close they were.
MJ just kept them around in order to have the boys there. He didn't care about them - and they were falling all over themselves to promote themselves as MJ insiders. Delusional....
by Anonymous | reply 567 | March 4, 2019 10:56 PM |
So people are saying Feldman wasn't abused because he was too ugly...really?
I don't think the MJ estate should waste any more time going after the credibility of Robson and Safechuck. I sincerely believe these are damaged individuals with genuine struggles. I do feel they missed out on a regular childhood and that Jackson gave them unrealistic expectations. So, in that regard, the documentary does present him in a negative light. However, when it comes to the sexual abuse allegations, I don't believe they are credible. It's extremely suspicious, not to mention disturbing, that Safechuck's allegations mirror those from the book Michael Jackson was My Lover, which was written by an admitted pedophile and NAMBLA member, who Jackson successfully sued.
I do think Feldman can provide a far more accurate account of who Jackson was as a person. I do think Feldman should release those tapes.
by Anonymous | reply 568 | March 4, 2019 11:14 PM |
r568 GO BACK TO YOUR MJ FORUM! Troll! lmao the delusion is thick!
by Anonymous | reply 569 | March 4, 2019 11:17 PM |
Feldman was too old for Jackson. You are a pedophile apologist R568. Culkin is damaged and a complete liar. He has lied continually about his drug addiction. It's a really sad state of affairs. I'm so sorry Jackson didn't get his head bashed in in prison & die that way. Slipping away from a drug overdose was way too kind an end for him. His whole family are disgusting enablers.
by Anonymous | reply 570 | March 4, 2019 11:18 PM |
'Truthers' have to be either bots or parrots, their mantras are as repetitive as they are unconvincing.
by Anonymous | reply 571 | March 4, 2019 11:18 PM |
I think MJ empathized with celeb kids due to growing up in the spotlight. In the case of the non celebs, he either saw himself in them or genuinely wanted to help them.
by Anonymous | reply 572 | March 4, 2019 11:19 PM |
r572 and all the other kids he just wanted to be 'in' them!
by Anonymous | reply 573 | March 4, 2019 11:20 PM |
They both got very early lessons in devistating heartbreak, being used by people for their own personal gain (their families and Jackson himself) and on utter depravity and the ugliness that lurks in men.
Wade was able to stuff it down, and concentrate hard on work. Not James. James is a gaping open wound. Very, very sad.
by Anonymous | reply 574 | March 4, 2019 11:27 PM |
Just the fact that the kid could describe Whacko Jacko's cock is nasty.
by Anonymous | reply 575 | March 4, 2019 11:33 PM |
[quote]What next will the " Moonwalkers" come up with?
They'll say those little boys seduced Jackson. Just wait.
by Anonymous | reply 576 | March 4, 2019 11:41 PM |
Crap! I forgot part 2 is on, missed the first 20 minutes.
by Anonymous | reply 577 | March 5, 2019 12:24 AM |
[quote] It's extremely suspicious, not to mention disturbing, that Safechuck's allegations mirror those from the book Michael Jackson was My Lover, which was written by an admitted pedophile and NAMBLA member
Proof R568.
Where's the proof?
by Anonymous | reply 578 | March 5, 2019 12:27 AM |
R568 = pedo apologist
by Anonymous | reply 579 | March 5, 2019 1:20 AM |
I hope Jimmy and Wade recover damages. Their cases are on appeal and hopefully will lead to revised statute of limitations for these kinds of cases involving young boys.
The Jackson kids have already been given $100m each and Katerine Jackson already has more than enough. This is for the reason for all the Jackson bots. They want the estate money for the Jacksons, who are definitely not a financially suffering or even functional family.
The tell for me was that they both unfortunately and accurately describe how much they loved Michael. This is what the Michael defenders can't grasp - he was using them sexually AND fell in love with them (for one year or less, like a textbook pedophile).
by Anonymous | reply 580 | March 5, 2019 1:20 AM |
R578 The proof can be found within the book itself. I'm sure pdfs still exist. I read the excerpts and that was enough for me. The actual book thanks that organization in the acknowledgments. The book is meant to idealize romantic boy love, not to condemn it. Yet despite this, there have been entire threads on DL with excerpts from the book. The book is a work of fiction, yet it's claims have been echoed in tabloid stories ever since, and now Safechuck's testimony.
by Anonymous | reply 581 | March 5, 2019 1:23 AM |
That theory is crackpot. You Jackson boys are terrible and his estate will pay.
by Anonymous | reply 582 | March 5, 2019 1:25 AM |
You are sordid and desperate R581 defending the indefensible. Jackson is undone, we all know what he was, his fame will now be linked to sexual perversion long into the future, longer than his artistic output would have lasted, you will have to dredge the celebrity cesspool to find another freak to worship.
by Anonymous | reply 583 | March 5, 2019 1:32 AM |
I bet Feldman doesn't have any tapes. He's always hyping or threatening to do something and... doesn't. He's a liar. He just needs to insert himself in a conversation on a trending issue, like this one, to get some publicity.
by Anonymous | reply 584 | March 5, 2019 1:40 AM |
Corey and McCauley turned out the worst.
by Anonymous | reply 585 | March 5, 2019 1:46 AM |
Is the NAMBLA membership mentioned in the book r581?
by Anonymous | reply 586 | March 5, 2019 1:49 AM |
Mac has a podcast and appears on many Youtube channels. He's very funny, engaging, and honest. He's semi retired but he still performs now and then again. He seems well adjusted to me.
by Anonymous | reply 587 | March 5, 2019 1:49 AM |
they want to remove his star from hollwood blvd..
good
by Anonymous | reply 588 | March 5, 2019 1:51 AM |
You are not a good judge R587 You have been shitting on Jackson's victims throughout this thread.
by Anonymous | reply 589 | March 5, 2019 1:52 AM |
im sick of the mom and the sister who glow when they recall the icon . o yes, and how he raped ur son, bro. glow on bitches
by Anonymous | reply 590 | March 5, 2019 1:57 AM |
yea, the sister is gross. no one needs a sis ike her to be that way bout a rape
by Anonymous | reply 591 | March 5, 2019 1:57 AM |
The Aussie mom doesn't want to hear the details about the abuse because it will give her nightmares. Bitch, you deserve nightmares.
by Anonymous | reply 592 | March 5, 2019 2:00 AM |
Culkin must be getting payouts from the Jackson estate, or got a lump sum. He was only in a couple of hit movies nearly 30 years ago and has pretty much not worked at all in two decades.
by Anonymous | reply 593 | March 5, 2019 2:00 AM |
Part two is VERY compelling.
by Anonymous | reply 594 | March 5, 2019 2:01 AM |
I can believe that MJ never tried it with Culkin. Culkin was very famous at the time. MJ probably fantasized about Culkin when he was molesting other boys.
by Anonymous | reply 595 | March 5, 2019 2:02 AM |
KING OF PEDO
by Anonymous | reply 596 | March 5, 2019 2:06 AM |
The kid accurately drew a picture of Jackson's 50 yr old mottled two tone cock. GUILTY AS CHARGED..
by Anonymous | reply 597 | March 5, 2019 2:08 AM |
ya just know he did it with McCauley, look how damaged he was from them years....drugged drunk mess
by Anonymous | reply 598 | March 5, 2019 2:08 AM |
Was Britney Spears in the documentary? I kept seeing her name mentioned on social media. I haven’t seen part 2 yet.
by Anonymous | reply 599 | March 5, 2019 2:09 AM |
apparently wade dated her,
mj hated women , tho he said he may have to marry one to keep the rumors down, according to wade
by Anonymous | reply 600 | March 5, 2019 2:13 AM |
Did MJ have something against little black boys?
by Anonymous | reply 601 | March 5, 2019 2:13 AM |
R592, there was also the part where she said she told Wade she accepted some of the blame, and then added: “That’s what he wanted to hear, apparently.”
by Anonymous | reply 602 | March 5, 2019 2:14 AM |
Which kid drew the pic of MJ's dick?
by Anonymous | reply 603 | March 5, 2019 2:20 AM |
Oprah dragged out her Oda Mae wig for the occasion.
by Anonymous | reply 604 | March 5, 2019 2:21 AM |
The gold diggers are the entire MJ family who have been living off his money and fame for years. No wonder they don't care if boys were used and abused....as long as their check cleared. Disgusting. The James person seemed unimaginably broken is spirit and appearance. It was very hard to watch. I 100% believe them and who knows how many other boys are out there. Just awful.
by Anonymous | reply 605 | March 5, 2019 12:42 PM |