As you were.
THEATRE GOSSIP #243: “Pantie Get Your Gun!” edition
|by Hope Emerson||reply 485||8 hours ago|
Re Roz and Gypsy, she was actually coming off A Majority of One, where she was miscast in a Gertrude Berg role. Auntie Mame was back in 1958 (the movie, I mean), though she got some Oscar action for it in early ‘59.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 1||02/10/2019|
Speaking of panties, Carol kept flashing hers to the extreme embarrassment of David Letterman.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 2||02/10/2019|
Speaking of dyslexia, I believe this thread should be 343, not 243.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 3||02/10/2019|
A sloppy title.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 4||02/10/2019|
With Kiss Me Kate and Oklahoma beginning preview soo, this thread may actually be inspired to be truly witty.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 5||02/10/2019|
[quote]r4 A sloppy title.
Some panties ARE sloppy!
You'd prefer [italic]Pantie Mame?[/italic]
|by Hope Emerson||reply 6||02/10/2019|
What's the Gossip on Caissie Levy? She was great in Hair, but I have no interest on seeing her in that princess show, and she comes off as cold (no pun intended) in interviews and in appearances like 54 below etc.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 7||02/10/2019|
Pantie Puts Her Hair Up
|by Hope Emerson||reply 8||02/10/2019|
You realize nobody is going to find this thread and eventually someone will start a properly numbered thread 343.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 9||02/10/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 10||02/10/2019|
And so it begins:
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 12||02/10/2019|
Both are a mess.
Edition should be capped.
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 16||02/11/2019|
The Prom is hemorrhaging money.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 17||02/11/2019|
The Prom's days are numbered. It will be gone once the new crop of shows, like Tootsie and Beetlejuice, open.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 18||02/11/2019|
ugh, just the thought of TOOTSIE and BEETLEJUICE
|by Hope Emerson||reply 19||02/11/2019|
I want it to run so that Brooks can get a Tony nom!!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 20||02/11/2019|
oh dear god.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 21||02/11/2019|
I saw Gertrude Berg in A Majority of One. No film version would be better than the Rosalind Russell film.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 22||02/11/2019|
I've never seen Oh Dad, Poor Dad......
|by Hope Emerson||reply 23||02/12/2019|
Wasn't Miss Francis Langella trying to make that happen with him in drag and Michael Urie as the boy?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 24||02/12/2019|
“Oh Dad, Poor Dad?” Really?
That’s another one Roz couldn’t pull off. They should have cast Hermine Gingold, who did the original.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 25||02/12/2019|
I can't see Hermione attired in this.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 26||02/13/2019|
I've seen the movie of OH, DAD...it's very poorly made and filmed, and I don't think you can blame the actors.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 27||02/13/2019|
[quote]r26 I can't see Hermione attired in this.....
It appears madam wore a chiffon caftan (?)
|by Hope Emerson||reply 28||02/13/2019|
My favorite Hermione ditty....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 29||02/13/2019|
Hermione sure did have a way with words. When asked what she thought of the Statue of Liberty after seeing it for the first time, she responded, "How kind of them to build a statue of Judith Anderson in the harbor!"
|by Hope Emerson||reply 30||02/13/2019|
Ahhhhh....look, they still could do it.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 31||02/13/2019|
Very touching, that film clip
|by Hope Emerson||reply 32||02/13/2019|
I first took Majority of One out of the library watched it with my mother and we were surprised at the end that she decides to Alec Guinness. I was surprised at first because this is a time when it was too controversial and they would remain friends. And even my mother said 'So she marries him!.
I then watched it on TCM and wasn't planning to because it is epic in length. It goes on a long time. Ray Danton helps a lot. I got caught up in it again and was shocked at the end when they decide to remain friends.
Do people know this movie has two endings and they both are in release?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 33||02/13/2019|
'she decides to marry'
|by Hope Emerson||reply 34||02/14/2019|
I can't see an Alec Guinness movie without thinking of his blind butler in "Murder By Death" or his chuckling Jacob Marley presenting Scrooge with his chain in hell. When Guinness played Hitler, I kept laughing because I kept hearing Guinness saying, "I prefer Rita", and "That's your opinion, big boy."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 35||02/14/2019|
Oh, that's tacky r35....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 36||02/14/2019|
For no reason.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 37||02/14/2019|
God, I love that song, r37! Proof positive that even a flop from times past could have a tune or two (and 70 GIRLS 70 has plenty) that had merit.; Today? Even the "hits" are forgettable.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 38||02/14/2019|
I wonder why Kathryn didn't get to warble a few notes, r32.
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 41||02/14/2019|
This thread is a lot cooker the other, where a discussion of the “n” word has turned into an occasion for DL racists to have a field day using it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 42||02/15/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 43||02/15/2019|
Flossie Klotz is practically drooling with lust as she talks about seeing Alexis Smith walking up the steps to Hal's party in that clip from This is Your Life.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 44||02/15/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 45||02/15/2019|
That was fun, r41. Nancy Anderson as Jennifer and Heidi Blickenstaff as Neely particularly looked appropriate. And Tovah as Lee Grant! Who was the hottie who played Neely's husband?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 46||02/15/2019|
The hunk was one time throuple member and current midtown boy Daniel Reichard. Who just wowed them in Louisville tonight.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 47||02/15/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 48||02/16/2019|
Who was Daniel Reichard in a throuple with?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 49||02/16/2019|
Was Martha Plimpton supposed to be BRUNETTE Barbara Parkins?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 50||02/16/2019|
Let's be real. There's only ONE Neely O'Hara......
|by Hope Emerson||reply 51||02/16/2019|
And only one Ann-Margrock......
|by Hope Emerson||reply 52||02/17/2019|
[quote]This thread is a lot cooker the other, where a discussion of the “n” word has turned into an occasion for DL racists to have a field day using it.
I agree about this thread. The other one also ended in a flurry of thinly disguised racism regarding Norm Lewis in "The Music Man," which some moron then used as the title of the new thread.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 53||02/17/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 54||02/17/2019|
Pat is still with us. She's 88.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 55||02/17/2019|
A boring bway season. Everything sucks
|by Hope Emerson||reply 56||02/17/2019|
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 59||02/17/2019|
r55 Is she still rockin' the ponytail?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 60||02/17/2019|
How about just plain "Sunday?"
|by Hope Emerson||reply 61||02/17/2019|
This is from 2006, r60.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 62||02/17/2019|
Marti, Marti, Marti!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 63||02/17/2019|
so beautiful, r61. thanks.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 64||02/17/2019|
I have an audio of the full Actor's Fund VOD but it was really great to see those clips! Did anyone see VOD when it played downtown at the old Circle in the Square back in the 90's? Hilarious.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 65||02/17/2019|
[quote] I agree about this thread. The other one also ended in a flurry of thinly disguised racism regarding Norm Lewis in "The Music Man," which some moron then used as the title of the new thread.
Care to explain that or are you just talking out of your ass?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 66||02/17/2019|
Just drop it.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 67||02/17/2019|
My apologies R53. I did not realize there was a new thread #344 and thought you were talking about #343.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 68||02/17/2019|
[quote]R55 Is she still rockin' the ponytail?
I would love to think so.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 69||02/17/2019|
Those spiky bangs that Pat Suzuki sported back then had a funny name....something like "rat-nibbled bangs" I think? Anyone remember? They were the antithesis of Mamie Eisenhower bangs.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 70||02/17/2019|
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 74||02/17/2019|
Just ran across this. Her Lorelei really doesn't work, does it? Tricky role.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 75||02/17/2019|
Jack Viertal and the fickle finger of casting
|by Hope Emerson||reply 76||02/17/2019|
It hadn't occured to me that for the movie, I Love What I'm Doing turned into Ain't There Anyone Here....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 77||02/17/2019|
Her gown is perfection.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 78||02/17/2019|
And five years later that dress fit on her left leg only
|by Hope Emerson||reply 79||02/17/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 80||02/18/2019|
I have a feeling a little of Tammy Grimes went a long way. It was certainly that way for TV audiences.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 81||02/18/2019|
You would be correct, r81. Though had she accepted Bewitched they may have been more accepting.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 82||02/18/2019|
Tammy is rather Betty Huttenish in that number at R80. Of course, a little Betty Hutton went an awfully long way, too.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 83||02/18/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 84||02/18/2019|
Or Betty Grabley.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 85||02/18/2019|
Tammy sure is kooky is the opening credits of her failed sitcom. I had forgotten that she had been offered "Bewitched." Coincidentally, her co-star in "The Tammy Grimes Show" was "Richard" Sargent.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 86||02/18/2019|
Tammy's sitcom failed, but the opening credits were clearly the inspiration for Beth Howland being traumatized by drinking straws in the opening credits of "Alice."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 87||02/18/2019|
So true, r83......
|by Hope Emerson||reply 88||02/18/2019|
when did this become all vintage all the time ?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 89||02/18/2019|
Somethin' WRONG with vintage?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 90||02/18/2019|
It's the sequined halter straps.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 91||02/18/2019|
If Tammy Grimes had accepted “Bewitched,” it probably would have been canceled after one season.
Fortunately, Tammy was firmly ensconced in the huge hit High Spirits at the point where she would have had to accept. She probably kicked herself when High Spirits started to fizzle and closed after barely a year.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 92||02/18/2019|
Did someone mention Betty Hutton and failed sitcoms?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 93||02/18/2019|
Dick Sargent was Elizabeth Montgomery's first choice for Darrin but he was committed to the sitcom "Broadside," starring Kathleen Nolan and co-starring Sheila James. It flopped.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 94||02/18/2019|
Thank goodness. Dick York was way better. Dick Sargent stunk.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 95||02/18/2019|
At least Dick Sargent looked human.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 96||02/18/2019|
Tammy was the runner up for Desiree in A Little Night Music.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 97||02/18/2019|
When it came down to Tammy and Glynis, Glynis was chosen because she seemed more "vulnerable."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 98||02/18/2019|
Well if vintage is a problem, r89, perhaps....um....how about.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 99||02/19/2019|
I'll see your "Follies" and raise you Angela Lansbury in "Gypsy."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 100||02/19/2019|
TV wasn't Tammy's medium. Lucky to have seen her in both HIGH SPIRITS and PRIVATE LIVES. She was brilliant in both.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 101||02/19/2019|
Betty Hutton was great in movies and cinema audiences had no problem with her. It would be interesting to know why she became so difficult, needy and out of control. She's pretty frightened and desperate in her TCM interview and her children were estranged from her. There seems to be a whole chunk of her life we know nothing about and Osborne certainly did not go there.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 102||02/19/2019|
I remember tuning in to TCM years ago just to see what was on happening upon that interview. I was wondering, "Who's this shriveled old lady Robert Osborne is interviewing?" Then she mentioned something about "Annie Get Your Gun," and I realized it was Betty Hutton, whom I never would have recognized. Her memory seemed unreliable at that point. She kept talking about how badly she was treated during the making of "Annie," saying it was because everyone wanted Judy to play the role and not her. She made a big point of saying that, because of that treatment, she never made another movie. Robert Osborne gently reminded her that "The Greatest Show on Earth" came afterward. It was a very hard interview to watch.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 103||02/19/2019|
Thank you, r100. Saw her in Denver. She was the best Rose. Loved her kicks in Together.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 104||02/19/2019|
[quote]Somethin' WRONG with vintage? —Miss Mazeppa
If there was something new that was as good or better that wasn’t the result of pandering to douchebros deafened by Power Rangers, Eminem, boy bands, and numetal.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 105||02/19/2019|
Then we’d talk about that:
|by Hope Emerson||reply 106||02/19/2019|
[quote]The Prom is hemorrhaging money.
?In Ropsie's day she woyld have championed it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 107||02/19/2019|
I love Titanic
|by Hope Emerson||reply 108||02/19/2019|
It doesn't get much respect on DL, but I love "Titanic," also.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 109||02/19/2019|
Titanic was certainly a 'Hey it's not so bad.' show.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 110||02/19/2019|
Titanic was dreadful, unnecessary and stupid.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 111||02/19/2019|
Sort of like your comment, R111.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 112||02/19/2019|
R48 Here kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 113||02/19/2019|
Is there no # 344 thread yet? Is this the most current theatre thread then?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 114||02/19/2019|
Here you are, r114. Unfortunately the OP of 344 didn't space out the number sign and the hyphen in the thread title, so searching for "344" gets you nothing, When I search for a new Theatre Gossip thread by the number and nothing comes up, I usually then search "theatre" or "gossip" in case the OP made just such a mistake. It always gets me the right results.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 115||02/19/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 116||02/19/2019|
Sorry typo... " The Prom" in Rosie's day she would have championed it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 117||02/19/2019|
It is absurd to search by the number to try to find a thread
Start with “theatre” and if there’s a gap, try “theater”
It works 100% of the time
|by Hope Emerson||reply 118||02/20/2019|
We haven't heard from Betty Hutton in a while.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 119||02/20/2019|
Just type in 'gossip' and the number of the thread. Works every time.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 120||02/20/2019|
^ that requires that you know the next number. Searching on "Theatre" brings up all of the threads, in date order. "Gossip" does, too.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 121||02/21/2019|
^except "gossip" is more generic and mixes in other topics. More rare for there to be "theatre" in the title a post except for the gossip threads.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 122||02/21/2019|
Titanic had so many characters, the audience ended up not caring for any of them. I remember being relieved that the old couple died.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 123||02/21/2019|
I cared about David Garrison. But then I always care about David Garrison.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 124||02/21/2019|
That show is all about the opening and closing, for sure. The ones who say otherwise are just being contrarian
|by Hope Emerson||reply 125||02/21/2019|
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 127||02/21/2019|
The UK production of Oklahoma! this summer looks like it’ll either be brilliant or a complete train wreck.
Rehearsals for the Broadway transfer of West End smash hit Ink start Monday. What do we think, will it be the next Ferryman or the next Enron?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 128||02/22/2019|
The new Broadway Oklahoma is going to really shock and anger audiences who don't understand what they've let themselves in for. I do wonder if it will be somehow "softened" a bit from what was seen at St. Ann's?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 129||02/22/2019|
I doubt it will be softened, r129; this creative team likely would forgo a transfer if it involved any tinkering. But you are correct: B'way audiences may be really shocked. Those who are angry may calm down when they realize that R&H's intent has been honored; this was always a very dark show.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 130||02/22/2019|
Jeanne Eagels died the year "The Letter" was released (1929). She was nominated for an Academy Award as best actress for her role, the first posthumous Oscar nomination.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 131||02/22/2019|
Glorius. No shame for those here who are tone deaf. This is simply thrilling.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 132||02/22/2019|
R130 On the current tv commercial for "Oklahoma!", the title song being sung in the background has a kind of bitter, acerbic quality, without very much harmony, which rather seems to hint that this won't be a standard version of it. I do love the vocal arrangements of the original title number though, very rich and memorable.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 133||02/22/2019|
I was brought up on the Oklahoma OBC and I love it a lot, so I went kicking and screaming to St. Ann's last fall and expected to hate and resent their production. It was challenging and not entirely comfortable, but it was also fresh and original in its concept and performed by really wonderful actor-singers (Ali Stroker alone is worth the price of a ticket). I'm glad to have seen it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 134||02/22/2019|
r124 I always heard Garrison is seriously hung
|by Hope Emerson||reply 135||02/22/2019|
I have always found the seriously hung to be extraordinarily amusing.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 136||02/22/2019|
If they are smart, they will completely rework the dream ballet in the Broadway-bound Oklahoma! The angry dyke in a t-shirt dancing mostly solo while cowboy boots fell from the rafters was such a WTF moment.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 137||02/22/2019|
"Those who are angry may calm down when they realize that R&H's intent has been honored; this was always a very dark show."
Oh, please. OKLAHOMA, written at the height of the war, is a joyous celebration of American pioneer spirit, and its "darkness" is solely rooted in the worm-at-the-heart-of-the-apple threat (social, sexual, isolationist) that Jud Fry represents to the community. Once he's eliminated, the moral order is restored. Except for Ali Stroker's performance, the St Ann production has about as much joy and community spirit as a wake, and doesn't begin to honor the authors' intentions.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 138||02/22/2019|
A big disappointment was finding out Garrison is straight straight straight. I mean he is just so good in musicals with the sunniest of smiles.
How does anyone know he is seriously hung?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 139||02/22/2019|
[quote]How does anyone know he is seriously hung?
I haven't a clue.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 140||02/22/2019|
Garrison is close to 70 (and a bit of a dried out prune in person). Does it really matter any more?
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 142||02/22/2019|
Titanic - one big opener and a show full of dreadful music.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 143||02/22/2019|
Dreadful if you have a tin ear, maybe.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 144||02/22/2019|
Honey lamb, r144, it's not that it's dreadful, just not particularly distinguished. Let's face it, that opening is pretty thin stuff--bombastic, nicely sung, but thin--and doesn't really capture the British/Elgarian "nobilamente" sound of the period. To these professional, very un-tin ears, it has more of a Hollywood crossing-the-plains-in-a-covered-wagon Western feel to it.
But if it's thrilling you want (start at 4'20")...
|by Hope Emerson||reply 145||02/22/2019|
Well aren't you just full of yourself, R145.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 146||02/22/2019|
Has Cynthia Ervio commented on the Jussie Smollett situation yet?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 147||02/23/2019|
I think r145 has previously explained to us how wonderful it is to be him, r146. Possibly it was in a music-oriented thread rather than theater gossip, but his tone seems familiar.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 148||02/23/2019|
R148, I suspect that R145 might be the same "highly trained professional" who is always declaring that certain Broadway singers can't in fact, sing at all. He recently pronounced on the other theater thread that Raul Esparza can't sing.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 149||02/23/2019|
You may be right. On the other hand, to be perfectly fair, quite a few reasonable minds agree that Raul isn't such a good singer.
I think my highly trained professional did a good deal of pontificating on a recent-ish Bernstein thread--maybe the Jamie Bernstein memoir thread. In any event, he was completely insufferable, as might be expected from someone who calls himself a "highly trained professional."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 150||02/23/2019|
Not quite the same as saying Raul "can't sing."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 151||02/23/2019|
It’s not so much that Raul can’t sing as he shouldn’t sing. He can carry a tune, certainly, but he has an ugly, strident and unpleasant voice.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 152||02/23/2019|
I will concede that, r152, but your attempt at judiciousness is a little late.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 153||02/23/2019|
it seems to get more like braying as he gets older. TTB tones were open and more appealing
|by Hope Emerson||reply 154||02/23/2019|
I don't braaaaaay.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 155||02/23/2019|
[quote]To these professional, very un-tin ears, it has more of a Hollywood crossing-the-plains-in-a-cover - ed-wagon Western feel to it.
Perhaps you might enjoy it more if you actually pulled your head out of your ass.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 156||02/23/2019|
Marry me, r156.
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 158||02/24/2019|
The Prom is excellent.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 159||02/24/2019|
R158, the same number sung by a much cuter guy.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 160||02/24/2019|
I saw Esparza in Anyone Can Whistle. Only time I've seen him. Enjoyed his performance very much and don't remember thinking when he sang this guy should not be doing musicals.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 161||02/24/2019|
Was that before or after Company. r161?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 162||02/24/2019|
I'm not sure. Maybe after as I knew his name. Anybody else see him in ACW and what did you think?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 163||02/24/2019|
I don't really want to keep the Raul argument going, but I can't imagine he'd be worse than Harry Guardino in ACW. I saw his Company and could not bear his "Being Alive."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 164||02/24/2019|
Saw Raul in "Company" on TV - hated that production, and Raul's singing was very hard to listen to. He was better though very overshadowed by Leslie Odom, Jr. in "Leap of Faith". I did see Raul in a Shakespeare in the Park a few years ago where they added a song for him -- was it "Cymbelline"? -- doing a kind of jazzy number and his voice had improved markedly.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 165||02/24/2019|
Where did Esparza do Anyone Can Whistle? Was it a concert or a full production?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 166||02/24/2019|
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 168||02/24/2019|
Encores! did "Anyone Can Whistle" back in 2010, so it was after Raul did "Company."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 169||02/24/2019|
Well, maybe it was better suited to his voice. I remember reading about this--I'll bet Donna was amazing.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 170||02/24/2019|
Cue the "Donna sings flat" troll in 5, 4, 3 . . .
|by Hope Emerson||reply 171||02/24/2019|
Yes, as good as in WT. And I can't believe I enjoyed Sutton. Didn't like her at all in TMM.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 172||02/24/2019|
Sutton was in "The Music Man"?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 173||02/24/2019|
The other one.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 174||02/24/2019|
Sutton Foster IS Harriet Hill!
There were balls/In my pants/But I never felt them swinging/No, I never felt them at all/'Til there was you
|by Hope Emerson||reply 175||02/24/2019|
[quote]Sutton Foster IS Harriet Hill!
Excuse me? I was Professor CAROL Hill
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 178||02/24/2019|
R171, I love Donna Murphy and think she's a great singer, but she does have a pitch problem sometimes. The only time it's ever really bothered me was in this Into the Woods clip.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 179||02/24/2019|
[quote]Thank goodness. Dick York was way better. Dick Sargent stunk.
I disagree. I much preferred Sargent in the part. York was hyper and completely one note. He didn't even seem like a real person.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 180||02/24/2019|
Not particularly on topic, but I just came across this.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 181||02/24/2019|
Donna Murphy has pitch problems often. Her body is in extreme tension when she sings. She is not a great singer--or even a good singer. She can occasionally be an effective performer.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 182||02/24/2019|
I'll take effective, r182!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 183||02/24/2019|
Dick York was fascinating and offbeat. The other Dick was a stick of wood and predictable. I preferred York.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 184||02/24/2019|
Raul Esparza can’t sing. Deal with it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 185||02/24/2019|
Is Merrily, We Roll Along really that awful as the reviewers say,
Posters on AllThatChat were having orgasms over how wonderful it was ..until the reviews came out. Now they hate it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 186||02/24/2019|
I saw it in previews and hated it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 187||02/24/2019|
Everyone always said Urinetown was killed by a bad title and bad marketing, but I think its biggest problem was being unfinished. It tried to do the same thing Spamalot/Something Rotten did by throwing a bunch of musical theater pastiches together instead of actually developing new jokes. Spamalot was successful because of the name recognition and Sara R's miraculous performance, Something Rotten was successful in Britain because theatre audience's there have no taste (it rightfully crashed and burned here). Urinetown is probably score to book the best show of the three, but it still runs out of steam plot wise, and could really use two or three rounds of punching up.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 188||02/24/2019|
I saw Spamalot just after Sara Ramirez left.
I didn’t laugh once
|by Hope Emerson||reply 189||02/24/2019|
Something Rotten has never been staged in Britain.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 190||02/24/2019|
I love Donna Murphy. She was absolutely perfect in Wonderful Town
|by Hope Emerson||reply 191||02/24/2019|
r190... uh, yes it did? Shakespeare was born there!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 192||02/24/2019|
Well that's a compelling argument. Doesn't change the fact it's never been staged in Britain.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 193||02/24/2019|
Urinetown did quite well. It gets done a lot regionally and in schools. There was concern that the title would kill it before it opened. But since it was a hit, no one says that any more, R188
|by Hope Emerson||reply 194||02/24/2019|
Sargent was the one note actor. Nothing to the character but a bitchy unhappy unfunny bitter queen with the sexual appetite of a slug. Even lying down York had more energy with Montgomery.
In the show there was nothing between Sargent and Montgomery. Just air.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 195||02/24/2019|
r193 Ok, well technically you are correct that it was never "staged" in Britain, it just OCCURRED in Britain, and it was very, very successful.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 196||02/24/2019|
R196 Even that's not right, the entire point of the show is that the main character has no success so he has to resort to trying to steal from Shakespeare.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 197||02/24/2019|
R186, I bought tickets to it because my co-worker liked it so much. We shall see.
R195, that's interesting given that I heard Sargent and Montgomery were great friends in real life. I did not mind him as Darrin, though York of course was much better.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 198||02/24/2019|
R198 that's why I said 'In the show.' I know they were good friends but as playing man and wife they had no chemistry. York was a way better actor than Sargent.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 199||02/24/2019|
This Merrily is ruined by some very bad casting, truly ugly design and sloppy direction.
I still think it's a wonderful show waiting for that production that finally gets it right.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 200||02/24/2019|
Saw this Merrily. Badly cast.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 201||02/24/2019|
[quote]r200 I still think it's a wonderful show waiting for that production that finally gets it right.
It's terrible how they NEVER give that show a second chance!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 202||02/24/2019|
I never feel like Donna Murphy is so off as to be unpleasant to my ears. Maybe she's just a very talented actress who can sell a song even if she's not singing it brilliantly. Kinda like Tyne Daly in Gypsy. People still talk about how her singing hurt their ears during the show, but I never noticed her going far off pitch and she seemed to know when she was incapable of holding a note and would allow it to drop off before it got uncomfortable.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 203||02/24/2019|
[quote]Something Rotten was successful in Britain because theatre audience's there have no taste (it rightfully crashed and burned here).
Are you drunk? Besides never having been done in Britain, it didn’t crash and burn here. It ran successfully for 742 performances, and is in the third year of a national tour.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 204||02/24/2019|
Dick York scared me as a child. He had no sense of humor and all he did was act exasperated and shout. I was glad when he left. He was loud and insane, Gladys Kravitz ( with both Alice Pearce and Sandra Gould) was loud and insane, Uncle Arthur was loud and insane, Dr. Bombay was insane if not loud. And Sam and Endora were vivid and colorful. The show needed a straight man.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 205||02/24/2019|
[quote]The show needed a straight man.
Because they cast so many gay men and women? (And yes, I know that’s not what you meant by “straight man”). But it was surprising how gay this cast was.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 206||02/25/2019|
I agree about Donna Murphy in Wonderful Town. She was fantastic. Too bad she's never played Rose in Gypsy. Is it too late?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 207||02/25/2019|
[quote]Raul Esparza can’t sing. Deal with it.
R185 isn't terribly bright. He doesn't understand the meaning of the word "opinion" and can't seem to accept that other people's opinions might differ from his.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 208||02/25/2019|
I just ran across this. Is it worth listening to?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 209||02/25/2019|
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 211||02/25/2019|
Dench, Mills, and Gable together in one musical? I would have died.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 212||02/25/2019|
That recording is a stitch. It basically screams BAD ENGLISH MUSICAL. (And I say this as a fan of bad English musicals.)
|by Hope Emerson||reply 213||02/25/2019|
R208 is a stupid tasteless cunt, and he objectively cannot sing. Period. Suck on that, twat. And you’re blocked for being a stan and a moron.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 214||02/25/2019|
Some of GOOD COMPANIONS is wonderful. Johnny Mercer and Andre Previn come up with a few winners ("Dance of Life", "Camaraderie", "Stage Struck Me"), and the whole thing is entertaining most of the time and at the very least well-crafted and competent always.
The show was actually a critical hit, but out of touch with the times and the political situation in London then. The York did it as a Mufti a few years back.
Mercer's last theatrical score. Bing Crosby covered one of the tunes (Pleasure of Your Company) in a duet with Mercer.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 215||02/25/2019|
A LITTLE TRAVELING MUSIC is probably the most delightful song in the score.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 216||02/25/2019|
For no reason.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 217||02/25/2019|
R217 Ruth Williamson is a musical theater treasure, having seen her playing Lady Beekman opposite Alice Ripley as Lorelei in the L.A. Reprise production of "Gentleman Prefer Blondes" or dramatically exclaiming, "Chez Jacqueline!" in the 2005 revival of "La Cage Aux Folles". I've seen a video of her Eulalie McKechnie Shinn, but I had seen the other Ruth (Gotschall) who replaced her towards the end of the run.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 218||02/25/2019|
Something Rotteb May have run for a year and half on Broadway but it only recouped 15% of investors principal when it closed. That number will have increased due to the tour but it was a financial success. And many investors were upset that it recouped so little after its 700 performances.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 219||02/25/2019|
Ruth Williamson was also pretty amazing in that off-Broadway musical, “The Green Heart.” I kind of enjoyed it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 220||02/25/2019|
[quote]Too bad she's never played Rose in Gypsy. Is it too late?
She’s only 61. Barely old enough!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 221||02/25/2019|
I saw a production of "The Good Companions" in SF about 20 years ago. I loved the score, all the songs except "All Mucked Up," and thought it was charming but rather twee. I can see why it couldn't last during a time when London was under siege from IRA bombers.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 222||02/25/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 223||02/25/2019|
I'll take a twee musical any day rather than a Broadway musical based on the life of Dolly Parton. And I like Dolly Parton.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 224||02/25/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 225||02/26/2019|
[quote] Dick York scared me as a child. He had no sense of humor and all he did was act exasperated and shout. I was glad when he left. He was loud and insane.
I thought York had much better comic timing (as the straight man for all the crazies around him). He could do a slow burn and a tantrum. But keep in mind that when they did the switch, they may have wanted to calm Darren down a bit. After all, York played the role from when Darren and Samantha were first married. By the time Sargent came along, Darren had seen and experienced so much in the way of witchcraft that I would imagine Sargent's less exasperated take on the role felt like a natural progression for the character. How many times can you blow your stack at the same thing? After a while you just stop reacting the same way, if for nothing else than to conserve energy.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 226||02/26/2019|
But did they have to have a Darren who did nothing but look pissed?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 227||02/26/2019|
What other songs do fans of Yestons TITANIC like?
For me, the duet over the Morse code is stunning. Beautiful music theatre, in writing and in performance. I’ll see if I can find a link.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 228||02/26/2019|
I did like the ominous moment when the food cart started slowly rolling by itself.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 229||02/26/2019|
“No Moon” which was unfortunately marred by the stupid toy boat as the curtain fell.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 230||02/26/2019|
Here's rehearsal video of "The Night Was Alive" (the Morse code duet) from the 2014 reunion concert at Avery Fisher Hall with the original cast members, Brian D'Arcy James and Martin Moran.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 231||02/26/2019|
I really love so much of that score. I blame much of the failure of the Bway production on the director, the staging, and the hideous production design.
I’ve been saying for 20+ years that TITANIC is a great American musical just waiting to be found.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 232||02/26/2019|
Signature Theatre outside D.C. did a very well-received production of "Titanic" a couple of years ago. I saw the original in 1997 and thoroughly enjoyed the Signature version, even though it was directed by Eric Schaeffer, who can be something of a hack.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 233||02/26/2019|
Well I mean if you're going to do a musical version of the Titanic it does not only need an ingenious director but a lavish budget and this looked cheap as hell. You need it to be emotionally and visually overwhelming. And the producers were clearly not going to spend the money needed for it to be a visual tour de force like Phantom. If you want to see a disaster musical on Broadway you want to see the disaster especially now when it's only the tourists that can make a musical with a large cast a success.
I still though enjoyed that original production.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 234||02/26/2019|
The Signature production of Titanic was genuinely terrific. I think it moved to Korea in a proscenium version which they’re now trying to get to Broadway.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 235||02/26/2019|
What about the production of titanic on a platform on a lake? I give that production credit for having gumption!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 236||02/26/2019|
That's really lovely, r231. Thanks.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 237||02/26/2019|
The Signature "Titanic" got some of its inspiration from the Cameron movie (which opened several months after the musical in 1997). Effects after the sinking included floating bodies and props (suspended on wires).
|by Hope Emerson||reply 238||02/26/2019|
For anyone that says Raul can’t sing.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 239||02/26/2019|
Like it or not, the Broadway Titanic production and costume design did not come cheap, even if it looked cheap.
Looking for a fresh path into the material, The Dodgers hired edgy Brit director Richard Jones, mostly known for avant garde opera and radical takes on classic theater, and he hired Scottish designer Stewart Laing, who had a similar aesthetic and, like Jones, had no commercial credits of note and certainly no experience on Broadway. The entire creative team was not looking to produce any kind of old-fashioned spectacle nor, for that matter, any sort of reality.
Ultimately, it all looked awkward and insubstantial and was not compelling.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 240||02/26/2019|
Raul can definitely sing, but he is sorta cold. He's like the male Betty Buckley. He was definitely wrong for Bobby which is a charm role if ever there was one. In fact, it's one of the most shallow characters ever written. He's there to be charming and make his friends laugh. For that character to work, you need someone with a great personality and a certain likability and Raul doesn't have that.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 241||02/26/2019|
R188 is the Bunny. Don't be the bunny.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 242||02/26/2019|
R241 Bobby should really be charming -- he was originally played by the uber-adorable, handsome and affable star of many Disney films, Dean Jones.
R225 Scott Jarvis later went into "Oh! Calcutta!" and appeared totally nude in the their show's book that was for sale (not the Playbill). Very handsome guy who died too young.
I love "The Good Companions". I believe it got fine reviews, but business dropped off when there were a lot of iRA bombings in London at that time. John Mills had a very nice singing voice, Judi Dench is just right for her role, Christopher Gable must have been wonderful and Marti Webb had a powerhouse voice. The score is very enjoyable, and it should have been very popular among theater folk, as it is about a traveling group of actor/singers. I saw the Mufti some years ago, and I really thought it deserved a longer run.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 243||02/26/2019|
There's also an earlier musical film version (1933) of "Good Companions" (without the Previn/Mercer score) with Jessie Matthews and a young John Gielgud which is worth checking out.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 244||02/26/2019|
I figured Titanic cost a lot of money. It just looked like it didn't. A regional theater production with a somewhat better than usual budget.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 245||02/27/2019|
The reviews say: "Dit dot dot dit dot dit; Pity you're not a hit; Quit you're a piece of shit; Go away"
|by Hope Emerson||reply 246||02/27/2019|
so not clever
|by Hope Emerson||reply 247||02/27/2019|
I saw the production of Titanic in DC, too, and it wasn't much of an improvement over the original. The opening was fine as was the (same) last song. There was one moment when the chandeliers started swaying that was effective. The rest of the time, I was bored to tears (again). You just don't get too involved in any one set of characters to really care about them. The score is not good enough to overcome the book. It will flop again if they revive. Consider that the other big late-90s show Ragtime was already revived and didn't do well AND it's a much better show AND that was a much better-directed production.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 248||02/27/2019|
r248 is nobody holding out for a Civil War revival? That was peak 90s style turgid melodrama cast of 100 characters nobody cares about schlock.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 249||02/27/2019|
Killer dress on Miss G....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 250||02/28/2019|
Oh look, she got another wearing out of it!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 251||02/28/2019|
Jessie's gown could only be described as "gossamer", r244.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 252||02/28/2019|
Jessie had a bit of a Joan Collins thing going on.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 253||02/28/2019|
New trailer for Fosse/Verdon.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 254||02/28/2019|
She's prettier than Verdon. I guess if you were as great a dancer as Gwen but were at her level of looks you wouldn't have gotten the role.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 255||02/28/2019|
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 257||03/01/2019|
Like the execrable Come From Away, Titanic is one of those craven productions making bank off the backs of its tragic victims.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 258||03/01/2019|
Really? I have a feeling you haven’t seen either show.
Is Fiddler making bank off the pograms? Or Nabucco off of Jewish slaves?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 259||03/01/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 260||03/01/2019|
Shakespeare made bank off of Caesar’s murder, And the princes in Richard III. And the
|by Hope Emerson||reply 261||03/01/2019|
Roots made bank off slavery!
And Assassins makes bank off of, well, assassinations.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 262||03/01/2019|
It’s never “off of.” Use “from.”
|by Hope Emerson||reply 263||03/02/2019|
Documentaries make bank off of tragic events where many people are victims of all sorts of terrible things.
Has one film critic ever cried Exploitation! at any of the Titanic films?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 264||03/02/2019|
[quote]Has one film critic ever cried Exploitation! at any of the Titanic films?
I did the moment James Cameron did that smarmy and utterly self-serving moment of silence at the Oscars.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 265||03/02/2019|
Making money off of the Nazis!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 266||03/02/2019|
The Titanic sank more than 100 years ago. If you don't want to see a musical or a movie based on a famous historical event, then don't. But it's silly at this point to characterize it as an exploitation of the victims. What about all the movies made about World War II? Those made during the war were often aimed at rallying support for the war (in terms of War Bond sales, etc.). Were those made since making money off the many who died?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 267||03/02/2019|
Do a musical about the War of 1812 for a change.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 268||03/02/2019|
What would Fourth of July fireworks displays be without the War of 1812 Overture?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 269||03/02/2019|
[quote]What would Fourth of July fireworks displays be without the War of 1812 Overture?
The closing credits of the [italic]Annie[/italic] movie.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 270||03/02/2019|
[quote]r264 Documentaries make bank off of tragic events where many people are victims of all sorts of terrible things.
Almost like THE WIFE did, with Glenn's rat face.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 271||03/02/2019|
R265 Did he really?! That is both hilarious and horrible. What a nasty man. Well not if he gave the profits of the film to the descendants of the victims.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 272||03/02/2019|
The victims of the sinking or the victims of having to sit through three hours of Leo’s unbearable smugness?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 273||03/02/2019|
So if Leo dies at the end we can say it was the first film about the Titanic to have a happy ending.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 274||03/02/2019|
But it did have a happy ending! Leo and Kate are happily reunited in the afterlife, to the delight and applause of all the other people who died in the sinking!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 275||03/02/2019|
^^ They're blissfully thinking, "It was all worth it!"
|by Hope Emerson||reply 276||03/02/2019|
^^That's exactly how it comes off!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 277||03/02/2019|
[quote]when did this become all vintage all the time ?
When clinically obese showtune queens in muu-muus took over the theatre threads.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 278||03/02/2019|
How shocking and unexpected that theater threads would attract musical theater queens who enjoy talking about classic shows rather than the dreck that's currently on Broadway.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 279||03/02/2019|
Are we supposed to be discussing Branson on the Hudson? That's not theater. It's dinner theater without the dinner.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 280||03/02/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 281||03/02/2019|
The fabulous invalid is no longer fabulous.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 282||03/02/2019|
You don’t have to be an elder gay to be unimpressed with what passes for musical theatre in 2019.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 283||03/02/2019|
Amen to that.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 284||03/02/2019|
Maybe if Leo had given Kate Winslet first billing for the film, she'd have suggested there was room for him on that thing that saved her from drowning. Look at it -- there was room!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 285||03/02/2019|
She wanted him dead so she could mourn him for the rest of her life.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 286||03/02/2019|
As I recall. R285, at one point Leo starts to climb aboard, and it sinks under his weight, so he gives up on the idea.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 287||03/02/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 288||03/03/2019|
That scene from Picnic is fascinating. Meeker projects a very different image than Holden in the movie. And the dance between him and Rule, though not the set piece it is in the movie, still has a raw power.
And Meeker’s butt is a joy to behold.
I love the way they still have the shirt-ripping moment. The male as object. Typical Josh Logan style.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 289||03/03/2019|
Next up on Dancing With the Stars, William and Kim.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 290||03/03/2019|
Meeker projects a different image because he is the right age for the character. Holden appears way too old for Hal.
I suspect that the dance and blocking were condensed to fit the space and time restraints of the Sullivan show.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 291||03/03/2019|
Holden's great looks and incredible charisma pull him through. The film still works beautifully and his age doesn't matter. He and Novak have wonderfully chemistry. A noticeably younger actor having all those older middle-aged hearts a flutter would make those women distasteful.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 292||03/04/2019|
The only time Holden's age really takes me out of the story is when he and the fresh-faced Cliff Robertson talk about having been in school together.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 293||03/04/2019|
Can you imagine an hour-long network show that featured the gamut of the entertainment world? Opera, rock and roll, stand-up comedians, plate spinners, a lengthy scene from a Broadway drama.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 294||03/04/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 295||03/04/2019|
Wishing Andrea Martin a speedy recovery. She has backed out of "Gary: A Sequel To Titus Andronicus " after breaking four ribs. After her acrobatic musical number in "Pippin", it is sad she undergoes a stage injury while on the stage, although an injury from being on the trapeze in "Pippin would have been undoubtedly worse. Kristine Nielsen has taken over Andrea's role from a supporting one, and Julie White is taking over Kristine's aprt.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 296||03/04/2019|
Nielsen & Nathan as costars. That sounds like agony for the audience
|by Hope Emerson||reply 297||03/04/2019|
Well, that helps me make a decision of what NOT to see when I'm in NYC next month.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 298||03/05/2019|
Can Kristine Nielsen utter even a single line of dialogue any more without commenting on it with her weird tics and winks?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 299||03/05/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 300||03/08/2019|
What fabulous project is Jake Gyllenhaal cooking up for a return to his first and best love, live musical theatre?
Why doesn’t he do ENCORES? Great visibility for a few weeks work?
Let’s find a show for Jake!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 301||03/08/2019|
But does Jodie have Broadway chops ?
Has she ever done live theatre? I don’t know if she even did plays as an undergrad at Yale.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 302||03/08/2019|
I think she did one, r302.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 303||03/08/2019|
[quote]But does Jodie have Broadway chops ?
Has she ever done live theatre? I don’t know if she even did plays as an undergrad at Yale.
Jodie was trained as a stage actress at Yale. According to people who were there she was an excellent actress and out to the theater department. She was also living with Tina Landau who would go on to her own fame as a director.
Then came John Hinckley, worldwide coverage, and paps everywhere on campus. Imagine dealing with that when you're only in your late teens. Jodie became uncomfortable with being onstage when there could be nuts in the dark of the audience.
She opted for the more controlable security of film sets and has always been super private. Hinckley was released a few years ago and is banned from any contact with Jodie. Yeah, restraining orders work so well too.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 304||03/08/2019|
[quote]Yeah, restraining orders work so well too.
Tell me about it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 305||03/08/2019|
Rebecca Schaeffer did not have a restraining order on Bardo.
But, yes, they are pretty useless.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 306||03/09/2019|
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 309||03/09/2019|
R306 Yeah, what a pundit you are. There's nothing funnier than a young woman being shot in the face by her stalker. Asshole.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 310||03/09/2019|
R310 here. That should have been for R305, not 306.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 311||03/09/2019|
[quote]r300 Such an......odd...movie.
Could that second chorud girl with the HEAD TOSS @ [bold]00:23[/bold] be a budding drag queen who's snuck in??
|by Hope Emerson||reply 312||03/09/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 313||03/10/2019|
A rather millinery number......
|by Hope Emerson||reply 314||03/10/2019|
Ann Sothern kicking up her heels with Chevalier
|by Hope Emerson||reply 315||03/11/2019|
Yale University has no undergrad theater department.
The Yale School of Drama is a graduate program.
Jody did not take any theater courses.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 316||03/11/2019|
I thought Jodie was a French major.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 317||03/11/2019|
R314 "What's all this fuss about gays in the millinery?"
|by Hope Emerson||reply 318||03/11/2019|
Miss Lillian Roth.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 319||03/11/2019|
Lillian was delightful especially in that duet with Lupino Lane in The Love Parade 'Let's Be Common.' A wonderful talent. I wish I had seen 70 Girls 70 but it closed too quickly. And jesus it was about VERY old people. I didn't know at that the time who she was being so young. Remember the photos outside the Broadhurst.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 320||03/11/2019|
Miss Lightner certainly had a timeless belt.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 321||03/12/2019|
Be More Chill belongs on Saturday morning TV.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 322||03/12/2019|
Jodie Foster was not trained as a theatre actress. She did one play and that’s it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 323||03/12/2019|
Yes, I already mentioned that, r323.
Can you not read?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 324||03/12/2019|
Anybody see this on stage (via Tune)?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 325||03/12/2019|
Jodie had a decent singing voice and would be great in a musical, but I want to say I read somewhere that she's scared of the stage.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 326||03/12/2019|
R324 you’re posts aren’t worth reading.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 327||03/12/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 328||03/12/2019|
Betty ain't got no ass!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 329||03/14/2019|
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|by Hope Emerson||reply 331||03/14/2019|
Hugh Jackson as Harold Hill...yeah! Not sorry. I go to see shows to enjoy them not rip them apart. Plus he called me mate once.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 332||03/14/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 333||03/14/2019|
Hutton was only 43 when she filmed that Burke's Law episode, but she looks a lot older.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 334||03/14/2019|
OMG, by today's standards Betty Hutton looks like she's 73.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 335||03/14/2019|
That white lipstick really makes Betty's mid-60s look.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 336||03/14/2019|
It's not white, r336....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 337||03/14/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 338||03/14/2019|
This guy's playing Harold Hill?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 339||03/14/2019|
Frosted, whatever, it's still hideous.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 340||03/14/2019|
Betty's problems with depression and alcoholism are well known. Thanks be to the nuns who took her in as a cook and housekeeper when she hit rock bottom and took care of her enough that she was later to kind of revive her career. And for giving me the chance to post this well known clip on DL where she is a not quite adequate replacement Miss Hannigan in the original Annie but which preserves the original staging and the wonderful replacement performances of Rita Rudner and Gary Beach:
|by Hope Emerson||reply 341||03/14/2019|
I never tire of that clip or the Alice Playten clip from the Sullivan show where she sings Poor Little Person from Henry Sweet Henry with the original Michael Bennett staging. I am indeed just an eldergay show queen.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 342||03/14/2019|
First time I've seen that Annie clip posted without the poster or someone adding "Go, Gary, go!"
|by Hope Emerson||reply 343||03/14/2019|
Gary done gone.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 344||03/15/2019|
Thanks for posting r100 but she’s no Googie Gomez.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 345||03/15/2019|
Betty tappin' in wedgies....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 346||03/15/2019|
Betty H isn't bad in that Annie clip. I don't see why she couldn't have become a character actress in the 80s, played someone's loudmouthed mother on a sitcom or something.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 347||03/15/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 348||03/16/2019|
Wow. That was great, r348! And she did it live too.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 349||03/16/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 350||03/16/2019|
[quote]r345 Thanks for posting [R100] but she’s no Googie Gomez.
For the uninitiated
|by Hope Emerson||reply 351||03/16/2019|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 352||Last Monday at 6:07 PM|
Painfully s-l-o-w splits......
|by Hope Emerson||reply 353||Last Monday at 6:18 PM|
Hutton is so big it's amazing she was a major movie star. You would have thought she'd have been too much on a movie screen but she's quite wonderful.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 354||Last Monday at 6:21 PM|
[quote]You would have thought she'd have been too much on a movie screen
You mean like in Annie Get Your Gun? I find it unwatchable because of her.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 355||Last Tuesday at 12:11 AM|
I get the dancing, millions of Dad's drooling at Raquel thrusting in their living rooms in the 70's but why is she singing "California Dreaming" in Paris? It's like singing "New York, New York" in Beirut.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 356||Last Tuesday at 1:36 AM|
Paper Mill Playhouse next season. Of all the musicals they have to bring back "Cinderella" already?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 357||Last Tuesday at 1:41 AM|
That's a pretty lousy season at Paper Mill.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 358||Last Tuesday at 9:23 AM|
When was the last good Paper Mill season? The year they did Follies and nearly went bankrupt from it?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 359||Last Tuesday at 11:44 AM|
But I love Dion and his song catalog, everything from Teenager in Love to I Wonder Why to Runaround Sue to Ruby Baby to The Wanderer to Abraham, Martin and John. That's quite a wide range and a bio musical could be interesting.
And Jeremy Jordan would be perfect as Dion!
The question is: Is the audience of Dion fans still alive?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 360||Last Tuesday at 1:20 PM|
How rude, r360 Yes, we're alive, but possibly much too tired to schlep into town for a Dion jukebox show.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 361||Last Tuesday at 1:30 PM|
I was in 7th grade in 1961-62 when Dion and Runaround Sue were just about the biggest hit of all time. Everyone was singing it everywhere. I was in a school play back then and they incorporated the song into the plot just because. His music was very sexy and I think it still is.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 362||Last Tuesday at 1:35 PM|
I was a junior in high school. As you say, r362, everybody sang it everywhere.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 363||Last Tuesday at 1:44 PM|
And what does it have to do with theater, music or musical theatre?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 364||Last Tuesday at 2:50 PM|
Papermill doing an ALW review? Really?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 365||Last Tuesday at 3:03 PM|
Garland's life was heartwarming and sweet? Nobody's life is heartwarming and sweet.
Least of all Garland's.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 366||Last Tuesday at 3:14 PM|
Do NYers really take the train out to the Papermill?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 367||Last Tuesday at 3:19 PM|
The train to Paper Mill from Penn Station is very easy and cheap and just a short (30 minute?) ride. And you can walk to the theater once off the train, plus there's lots of nice restaurants in town on the way to the theater. It's quite a pleasant jaunt despite the varying quality of the shows.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 368||Last Tuesday at 3:22 PM|
[quote]Papermill doing an ALW review? Really?
Yeas, brand new. It was supposed to go last season but they postponed. My friend works there and hopefully Andy will be hanging around.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 369||Last Wednesday at 8:39 AM|
"Desi gave me permission...."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 370||Last Wednesday at 9:06 AM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 371||Last Wednesday at 9:50 AM|
[quote] Garland's life was heartwarming and sweet? Nobody's life is heartwarming and sweet. Least of all Garland's.
I don't think that Paper Mill spokesperson has actually seen the show to have described it that way. Chasing Rainbows doesn't go lightly on Garland's early life. Because it depicts everything leading up to The Wizard of Oz, it's not as dark as the movies or shows like Me and My Shadows or End of the Rainbow that focus on the extremes of Garland's later life. But it still depicts Garland's domineering mother, closeted father, and the studio finding her too fat and plain to appear on camera. The "pep pills" she was fed are also included. It's definitely an entertainment, but I wouldn't say it's either sentimental or sanitized.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 372||Last Wednesday at 10:03 AM|
Fine, r371, wouldn't mind seeing Miss Thigpen again....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 373||Last Wednesday at 10:07 AM|
There should be more panty focused musicals in NY.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 374||Last Wednesday at 10:08 AM|
[quote]wouldn't mind seeing Miss Thigpen again....
Me too, she went way too early.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 375||Last Wednesday at 10:19 AM|
[quote]There should be more panty focused musicals in NY.
Now that Ann Reinking is effectively retired, who’s taking up that particular mantle?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 376||Last Wednesday at 10:22 AM|
What’s going to happen with the homophobic Brit actress, Oluwaseyi Omooba, set to play “Celie” In UK revival of “The Color Purple”. She should be dropped from the cast immediately.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 377||Last Wednesday at 10:29 AM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 378||Last Wednesday at 10:32 AM|
That Tintypes number is terrific. Need to dig out that CD again.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 379||Last Wednesday at 12:49 PM|
[quote]The question is: Is the audience of Dion fans still alive?
Not only are his fans still alive, DION himself is still alive.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 380||Last Wednesday at 5:17 PM|
And featuring Mr. Jerry Zaks!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 381||Last Wednesday at 6:25 PM|
I saw Lynne Thigpen twice earlier today playing a judge in Law & Order reruns. God Bless L&O for the opportunities to see New York's best stage actors strutting their stuff. In one episode, the murderer was Victor Garber, who had co-starred with Thigpen in the film version of Godspell. Good stuff. I really miss that show.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 382||Last Wednesday at 6:27 PM|
Naked City also used the working NYC actors of the day.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 383||Last Wednesday at 6:35 PM|
Lucy calls Carole a bitch.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 384||Last Wednesday at 6:57 PM|
Loved Lynne Thigpen. Such a great actress.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 385||Last Wednesday at 8:03 PM|
There is more wit and charm in the staging shown in those two Tintypes clips than all the musicals on Broadway now.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 386||Last Thursday at 12:57 AM|
>> >>There should be more panty focused musicals in NY.
>>Now that Ann Reinking is effectively retired, who’s taking up that particular mantle?
Tovah, of course. It's time for her New York Rose!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 387||Last Thursday at 1:22 AM|
Is Tootsie going to run?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 388||Last Thursday at 2:21 AM|
That Tintypes clip at r381 is just thrilling. So much talent! Thanks for posting.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 389||Last Thursday at 4:19 AM|
Does Tootsie flash her panties? Here’s hoping!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 390||Last Thursday at 5:23 AM|
[quote]Is Tootsie going to run?
Only if she wears flats instead of high heels.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 391||Last Thursday at 6:01 AM|
Isn't the Marriott cursed?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 392||Last Thursday at 7:54 AM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 393||Last Thursday at 8:01 AM|
There's an article that say Santino Fontano is shaving and/or waxing his chest and legs for "Tootsie"; maybe his pits too? Does he go shirtless at some point in the show? Was there a lot of chest hair that need to be shaved? I saw him in the Karam play a few years ago, and he was shirtless though I don't recall how hairy he was. I
|by Hope Emerson||reply 394||Last Thursday at 9:23 AM|
"There is more wit and charm..."
And IDEAS, r386, don't forget ideas.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 395||Last Thursday at 10:37 AM|
I've enjoyed Santino on stage but he comes off as very dull and witless in that NY Times profile.
And I'm curious to see if he dares play the male part of his role in Tootsie as obnoxiously as Dustin Hoffman did. IMHO (especially after just re-seeing it recently),it was that daring that really made Hoffman's performance brilliant.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 396||Last Thursday at 1:28 PM|
Jesus, someone revive Tintypes right now. We could use it. I'm sure I saw it on PBS, lo these many years ago (back when PBS recorded plays and musicals regularly). I'd prefer the revival be off-Broadway or at least in a small Broadway house. Can we scrape up five performers who can do it justice or are they all soulless automaton belters with MFAs? Did Tintypes have a life on the festival circuit? It could again. (See also: Hollywood Ukraine.)
|by Hope Emerson||reply 397||Last Thursday at 2:18 PM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 398||Last Thursday at 2:23 PM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 399||Last Thursday at 2:59 PM|
I just recorded "Tootsie" when it aired on TCM a couple of weeks ago. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet but will as soon as I'm done moving (ugh). Unlike the rest of humanity, I didn't think it was all that the first and only time I saw it years ago (and sure as hell didn't find anything Oscar-worthy about Jessica Lange's performance) but willing to give it a second try to see if my reaction will be different this time. I think the only reason I'm interested in giving it a second chance is because I have an interest in the stage musical but wouldn't want to see it without having the film fresh in my mind with which to compare it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 400||Last Thursday at 4:48 PM|
The movie TOOTSIE is extraordinarily well crafted, and Lange is nothing less than perfection in it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 401||Last Thursday at 5:25 PM|
Yeah, I think we’re well past tolerating notions that Jessica Lange was somehow “less than” in Tootsie. It’s an updated, post women’s lib take on Sugar Kane, convincing as a woman uncomfortable with her own independence and utterly convincing as a soap opera actress - played with the required lightness and buoyancy but with her signature, underlying intensity intact. Now please fuck off Mr. “I Never Liked Tootsie.” Go wear hat badge of honour elsewhere. (And if you didn’t like it, why on earth would you care about the musical? Insufferable twat.)
|by Hope Emerson||reply 402||Last Thursday at 5:58 PM|
^^Without Lange’s performance, Hoffman’s wouldn’t work.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 403||Last Thursday at 5:59 PM|
I rarely ever make sweeping pronouncements like this, but anyone who doesn't immediately recognize the brilliance of Tootsie is an idiot. There are very few things in this world that are pure perfection. Tootsie is one of them. There isn't a false note in the entire film.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 404||Last Thursday at 6:14 PM|
It has dated in the sense that there aren't many soap operas anymore on tv. I think the new musical of "Tootsei" doesn't take place on a soap, but in the Theater since soaps are dying and not as many people might understand the archetypes of them.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 405||Last Thursday at 6:49 PM|
"Tootsie", that is
|by Hope Emerson||reply 406||Last Thursday at 6:49 PM|
"There isn't a false note in the entire film."
I like TOOTSIE, I've seen it many, many times over the decades. It has many splendid moments. But my first impression remains my lasting one: there is something off about the narrative and comic rhythm in the first part of the film, perhaps because there were too many chefs involved during its genesis. Case in point: the cut from Michael getting the idea to the medium-shot street scene of him walking in the crowd towards the camera, dolled up as Dorothy. is too abrupt and unsatisfying....there is a beat missing there, a transition scene that seems to have gone astray, and the exposition is the poorer for it. IMHO, of course.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 407||Last Thursday at 7:23 PM|
There could be a scene there ... but I don't think there NEEDS to be a scene there. It keeps the bouyant pace up to skip it.
If Michael were a plumber in Nowheresville, we'd think, "How would he get that stuff?" But he's a lifelong NYC actor, so, it's not far fetched he could come up with the stuff on his own, and dive right in.
The thing I think is odd is they hire Dorothy without even seeing her resume ... but a coworker of mine went on a vacation to LA once without packing any resumes, and ended up with a week long role on a soap. So - -
|by Hope Emerson||reply 408||Last Thursday at 7:51 PM|
[quote] The thing I think is odd is they hire Dorothy without even seeing her resume
That's not odd at all. Actors have been asked to audition or even been cast on a particular look. I think maybe the odd thing you're thinking is that they would see Dorothy without her being on the list. However, I always assumed Michael called over to the office and told them they were sending someone over from George Fields' office, and because of the relationship the show probably had with the agency, they didn't question that they hadn't approved it beforehand. I also got the idea they were having a very hard time finding the right actress for the role.
If you want to be bumped by something, consider Sandy actually getting an audition for the soap. How would Sandy, who likely doesn't have an agent, get seen for the soap? Now, we don't know she doesn't have an agent, but she's portrayed as someone who never works and isn't a particularly talented actress, so it's unlikely, but not impossible, that she would have an agent.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 409||Last Thursday at 8:06 PM|
Laura Benanti would be a hoot as the Anna Held soprano in Tintypes. Jackie Hoffman as Emma Goldman?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 410||Last Thursday at 8:36 PM|
The only thing Jackie Hoffman ought to be doing in a theater is ushering.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 411||Last Thursday at 9:01 PM|
My problem with the film of Tootsie is simply that Dustin Hoffman isn't in the slightest way convincing as a woman and the plot seems to revolve around the fact that he should be. The rest of cast seems inexplicably stupid for not recognizing his crude drag act.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 412||Last Friday at 2:45 AM|
I have a similar problem with Victor/Victoria
|by Hope Emerson||reply 413||Last Friday at 2:52 AM|
That clip of Lynne Thigpen singing "If I Coulda Been" from Working is amazing. Is that one of the songs that Stephen Schwartz wrote? Schwartz said that he and Lynne Thigpen drove each other crazy personally, but he used her in as many things as he could because he thought she was so blazingly talented.
The clip from the opening of Tintypes is heartbreaking - so much talent, and such a great show. I saw it soon after it moved to the Golden, and it was terrific - after the show closed early (I think maybe four months after opening, if that), the whole thing moved to the Mark Taper Forum. I saw it there two or three times, and it was even better than at the Golden, I think because of the thrust stage and the intimacy. Plus, the show was a huge hit in LA, sold out every performance, which must have made a nice ending to the experience for them.
Odd trivia - the two cast members from Tintypes who have passed away, Thigpen and Trey Wilson, both died suddenly from a cerebral hemorrhage, Wilson when he was 40 and Thigpen when she was 54. We know what became of Jerry Zaks, and Carolyn Mignini finally moved back to NYC after raising her kids in LA, and has been working fairly consistently. But whatever happened to the quirky Mary Catherine Wright?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 414||Last Friday at 3:15 AM|
Not a false not in Tootsie, R404? Other than its bizarre contrivances (soap going live when technical video problems?) and unconvincing drag (as someone else said earlier, it makes all the other characters appear stupid that they cannot see it is a man in a dress).
It seems to take place is a weird fantasy land which blunts the impact of a story that would mean more (and be funnier) if it were more "real world."
|by Hope Emerson||reply 415||Last Friday at 3:33 AM|
That actually used to happen, r415. Soaps were live originally, and once they went to tape, the situation as in Tootsie could still happen.
And yeah, we get it, you hate it. You've made your point, and no one agrees with you. You can stop now.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 416||Last Friday at 3:56 AM|
R416, I worked on a soap for a year before Tootsie came out. That sort of thing never happened. Even people who did not work in television bumped into that when it came out.
Most people love Bill Murray in the film. A lot of people enjoy the film as a whole. But only on the internet do you find people who love it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 417||Last Friday at 4:10 AM|
The number one obscenely unbelievable and unfunny element of Tootsie is that an out of work actor has ANY more options as an out of work actress. Especially when it comes to the invisible age.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 418||Last Friday at 4:24 AM|
My only memory of Tootsie is that I thought the script treated Teri Garr's character terribly. As I recall, the message seemed to be that some women are just disposable.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 419||Last Friday at 4:28 AM|
Hoffman as a woman is about as convincing as Elliott Gould would be as a woman. The Milton Berle routine. That's why the film doesn't work for me though I admit it works for most people.
Garr as always give the best performance in the film.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 420||Last Friday at 4:36 AM|
As I have discovered over the years, r408, sometimes a script needs a scene that is not dramaturgically but, rather, emotionally true in order to engage the audience.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 421||Last Friday at 4:59 AM|
Well, I love Tootsie and I' guess I'm able to see it through a sort of "magic realism" filter. I just saw it again recently on TCM and was riveted to the TV.
The brilliance of the scene of Michael auditioning for the Soap is the casting of homely redhead character actress Doris Belack as the producer who sees something in Dorothy because she recognizes herself.
Do those here who can't see why Michael's disguise would fool anyone feel the same about Lemmon and Curtis in Some Like It Hot?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 422||Last Friday at 5:18 AM|
I always had a problem with Hoffman's performance as Dorothy. It's not only that he doesn't look like a real woman at all, but that his falsetto acting is laughable. But the film works in spite of it. Compare Hoffman to Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire. The film isn't nearly as good, but Williams is brilliant and totally believable as that character.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 423||Last Friday at 5:35 AM|
[quote]My problem with the film of Tootsie is simply that Dustin Hoffman isn't in the slightest way convincing as a woman and the plot seems to revolve around the fact that he should be. The rest of cast seems inexplicably stupid for not recognizing his crude drag act.
You tell ‘em, girl!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 424||Last Friday at 6:32 AM|
[quote]I have a similar problem with Victor/Victoria
Finally, somebody said it. That movie is dated as fuck. Carroll Todd says something to the effect of choosing to become a homosexual. That’s Anita Bryant-level homophobia right there, even in jest. And the lines about how “there are some professions where practice does makes perfect” now ring hollow coming from Victoria for obvious reasons.
The stage version is even worse. Late in act two, Victoria cries to Toddy, “I don’t want to be a man anymore,” to which Toddy replies, “neither do I.” Between the movie and the play of V/V, Blake Edwards made [italic]Switch[/italic] with Ellen Barkin about a sexist man who ends up in the body of a woman, gets kissed by a real woman who is a lesbian, and then dies of diabetes after getting pregnant and giving birth.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 425||Last Friday at 6:46 AM|
Sophisticated ladies'll cry tomorrow.....
|by Hope Emerson||reply 426||Last Friday at 7:35 AM|
Any info on Santino Fontana's shaving/waxing and where for "Tootsie"?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 427||Last Friday at 11:18 AM|
Yes, you see through Hoffman's drag act because you're watching through current day eyes. In 1982, drag was still underground and cult, and you could believe someone would pull it off because it wouldn't occur to anyone that it would happen. Hoffman actually makes Dorothy a separate character and a separate, believable person. Dorothy was a female character, she wasn't a joke. And that went a long way to getting the people around her to believe her and the audience to believe her.
But no, if you come to the film post mid-90s, then it's not going to work for you. This is why To Wong Foo didn't work. By 1995, drag had invaded pop culture. Even people in the sticks knew what a drag queen was, so the conceit that any of those men were able to fool anyone was ridiculous. Plus the fact that the characters themselves were jokes didn't help.
If you look at it at the time Tootsie takes place, then there should be no reason why it doesn't work. That doesn't make it dated, it just makes it of its time. There's a difference. Tootsie still has a lot of relevant things to say.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 428||Last Friday at 11:27 AM|
No drag had a long history. Men dressed up as women was always been seen as hilarious in popular widespread entertainment. What are you talking about?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 429||Last Friday at 11:34 AM|
[quote]I rarely ever make sweeping pronouncements like this, but anyone who doesn't immediately recognize the brilliance of Tootsie is an idiot.
There's a good reason for not making sweeping pronouncements like this. Whatever you may think, it's still just your opinion.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 430||Last Friday at 11:40 AM|
Yes, as an outsized joke. If you're talking about someone like Milton Berle or Lemmon and Curtis, the drag was completely overdone and put on as a joke. Dorothy did not come across as "DRAG." I'm talking about the concept of both crossdressing and drag in mainstream as being something that was not present in 1982. Let's say Dorothy Michaels was the lead character of Too Wong Foo- she might have pulled it off. Because Dorothy wasn't a drag queen. She was, for all intents and purposes, a woman. You have to be able to separate the two concepts. In 1982, people were still looking at drag as the punchline of a joke.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 431||Last Friday at 11:40 AM|
[quote] There's a good reason for not making sweeping pronouncements like this. Whatever you may think, it's still just your opinion.
I stand by my statement. I'm sorry you found out you were an idiot. You'll be okay.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 432||Last Friday at 11:41 AM|
I guess in '82 I just saw Hoffman immediately as a joke in the vaudeville tradition, just uglier, so the conceit did not work for me. If you could buy it then it would work. Maybe in Hot it works for me because it's a comic farce. Also both Curtis and Lemmon were better looking with something slightly off.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 433||Last Friday at 11:59 AM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 434||Last Friday at 12:35 PM|
Ask the Tootsie Troll if he likes Bedknobs and Broomsticks... :)
|by Hope Emerson||reply 435||Last Friday at 12:41 PM|
Ask the Tootsie troll if he likes The Story Of My Life.”
|by Hope Emerson||reply 436||Last Friday at 12:47 PM|
Chasing rainbows is TERRIBLE. have seen many incarnations. None are good. It’s just the Andrea McArdle movie rainbow
Why do people keep doing it
|by Hope Emerson||reply 437||Last Friday at 1:12 PM|
I can remember going to Provincetown in the very early summer in the 1980s and it turned out to be a weekend convention for cross-dressers. They all looked like Dorothy Michaels, not cabaret drag queens. Lots of shirt-waist dresses, sensible shoes, cardigans and pearl button earrings.
It was a revelation for me that not all men who desired to dress in women's clothes wanted to wear satin with sequins and feather boas.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 438||Last Friday at 3:02 PM|
I remember a critic saying, when Andrea McArdle's "Judy" tv movie came out, that Judy's primary quality was vulnerability. "And what's the one quality Andrea McArdle is missing as a performer? Vulnerability."
And he was right.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 439||Last Friday at 4:24 PM|
[quote]Ask the Tootsie Troll if he likes Bedknobs and Broomsticks... :)
Yeah, I thought that might be the case.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 440||Last Friday at 4:25 PM|
Here, Matt "The Loon" will school you in what good drag really is!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 441||Last Friday at 4:31 PM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 442||Last Friday at 6:03 PM|
R428, I and a lot of people saw Tootsie when it was released. Even then and even people who liked it said that Hoffman was not a convincing woman.
The comparison to the very convincing Mrs Doubtfire is worth making.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 443||Last Friday at 8:09 PM|
Yaddah, yaddan, yaddan. Yes, we get it, you've made your point, you hate Tootsie. Yes, you're right, you and a lot of people saw Tootsie when it was released. We get it, we get it. Jesus. Do you have anything of interest to say, or is it all Tootsie all the time?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 444||Yesterday at 2:27 AM|
Oh, sit down, r444.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 445||Yesterday at 5:23 AM|
Fight the Tootsie lies!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 446||Yesterday at 6:14 AM|
Dorothy Michaels is still not a woman and something about that movie still rings false. Maybe it’s because of Dustin Hoffman’s real-life treatment of women.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 447||Yesterday at 7:00 AM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 448||Yesterday at 7:05 AM|
[quote] Yeah, I thought that might be the case.
Except it isn't. The only accusation people around here fling more than "Matt the Loon" is "Trumpster." I'm one of the people discussing Tootsie in the affirmative and I can say I'm not the only person doing so, so your theory is already out the window.
I don't even think this Matt person exists. (Well, no, I know he did exist because I remember the threads that went crazy with hundreds of the exact same posts that drove everyone insane. I just don't think he posts here anymore.) But I think it's morphed into a catch-all to use for when someone posts an opinion you don't like and then actually has the ability to back it up with some decent logic.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 449||Yesterday at 7:08 AM|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 450||Yesterday at 7:57 AM|
So, apparently Tootsie wasn’t a documentary.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 451||Yesterday at 8:31 AM|
Correct, r451. Who cares if Hoffman was convincing as a woman r443? It’s a movie, it’s a STORY for fuck’s sake. Go with the flow instead of trying to resist. Even with all that I hope the show bombs
|by Hope Emerson||reply 452||Yesterday at 9:47 AM|
There are people who don't think Tootsie is wonderful. Now get therapy if you can't deal with it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 453||Yesterday at 9:59 AM|
Wonderful or not, it’s not about whether he was convincing.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 454||Yesterday at 10:07 AM|
He wasn't convincing enough to pass as a woman does matter - because a woman as ugly as him would have been treated like shit in an entirely different way and everyone knows this.
The movie was just too fucking soft on Hoffman's ego.
Mrs Doubtfire, ironically, had Williams playing the kind of woman that is instantly invisible/ignored due to her age, weight and over the top attention seeking fluttering. It was a funnier movie, the drag was more on point and that aspect of a male pretending to be a woman actually worked. He passed because people make such a point to not look at women like that. But it also seems like a shit idea for a musical.
Tootsie is a terrible idea for a musical.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 455||Yesterday at 1:24 PM|
Yeah, well they made one in spite of your proclamation, r455. It must be so frustrating that no one asks you to weigh in when they are deciding what musicals to create. I know it's traumatic, but deal with it.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 456||Yesterday at 2:15 PM|
[quote]I'm one of the people discussing Tootsie in the affirmative and I can say I'm not the only person doing so, so your theory is already out the window.
If you're pro-Tootsie, then of course you're not the Loon. He's one of the Tootsie haters (or perhaps the only one). One of his telling earmarks is that he can't just state an opinion and move on. He has to browbeat anyone who disagrees with him, then he has to keep stating his opinion over and over again.
He hated Mary Poppins (because he was abused by whoever took him to see it, supposedly). By extension, he also hate Julie Andrews.
He of course hated Mary Poppins Returns, too, and by extension derided Emily Blunt continuously.
He hated Jessica Lange as Joan Crawford. He worships at the Faye altar.
He's a proud Trumper/conservative, in spite of being gay.
He hates all trans people, and looks for the "antigay" in everything so he can protest.
He's a proud racist, as well.
He has Asperger's, apparently. Or some kind of mental condition, so he considers himself disabled and is on the lookout for abuse/discrimination against disabled people.
His name is Matt, and he lives in Salinas. At one time, someone posted his Twitter id, but I have no idea what it was. It was clearly him, though, saying all the same things.
Yes, he still posts on DL. All the time. He's a little more careful because he knows his colorful choice of words were giving him away. He tries not to response to Julie Andrews/Mary Poppins provocations because he knows they reveal him, but sometimes he just can't stop himself (like during the release of Mary Poppins Returns).
Here's something positive: He lost a ton of weight. His FB page revealed he no longer was the fat lump that he is in that cable episode where he is in drag as a fat female receptionist.
Here's one of his change.org petitions.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 457||Yesterday at 2:25 PM|
Look, r457, you can say more or less whatever you want about an annoying poster, but you really have to stop short of diagnosing spectrum disorders. You're not qualified, and people like you who think it's smart to do this diminish the people who actually live with these disorders.
Why don't you be an adult, and a mensch, and knock it off.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 458||Yesterday at 2:33 PM|
R457 Jessica Christ, get a life honey, you seem really fucking sad and obsessed
|by Hope Emerson||reply 459||Yesterday at 2:42 PM|
Thank you, R457. Some people either don't know the level of crazy that the Loon brings to the table or are the Loon himself. It's good to see that many others recognize the tell-tale signs.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 460||Yesterday at 2:56 PM|
R460 Does he talk to himself?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 461||Yesterday at 3:33 PM|
This thread has devolved into Barbara Nichols territory.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 462||12 hours ago|
R457 made the case against [italic]Tootsie[/italic] and absolutely anything Julie Andrews or Ryan Murphy had anything to do with all by himself with his stalking, his projection of his own racism and ableism, his conspiracy theories about a single poster generating all criticism of a criminally overhyped and overrated movie, his thinly veiled sexism and homophobia that he projects onto others as tr*nsph*b** which isn’t even a real prejudice anyway because tr*ns is a choice and being gay isn’t. I bet you call lesbians TERFs, too, don’t you, you fetid traitor to the gay community?
And how have your grandparents enjoying Buenos Aires these past 64 years?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 463||12 hours ago|
Dorothy Michaels was a break-through lady. That’s why they picked up her option for another year.
I love Tootsie (saw it on opening day) and the only thing that kind of doesn’t make sense is the Sandy/Michael storyline which seems to exist in its own time. All the other relationships develop over a year but the idea that Michael would be able to avoid/put off Sandy for a whole year doesn’t make a lot of sense. Maybe 6 - 8 weeks but a year? No.
There’s a terrific Making of Tootsie book that states Pollack’s biggest concern was keeping it light, buoyant and briskly paced and at that I think he succeeds.
All this other stuff about “they didn’t make soaps that way,” etc. is just nonsense. It’s called “suspension of disbelief” cupcakes and it’s inherent in all dramatic forms.
Mrs. Doubtfire was total CRINGE. Can’t believe anyone would watch that dreck more than once.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 464||12 hours ago|
[italic]Mrs. Doubtfire[/italic] did more to bring gays into prominent supporting roles of a film that also had children in it. That’s a big deal.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 465||12 hours ago|
Well, it did put Harvey Fierstein in the gay role with a foghorn voice that might have been played earlier by Eddie "Rochester" Anderson or Lionel Stander.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 466||12 hours ago|
What if we take a break from Tootsie? This is a theater gossip thread. It’s not a Who Loves the Movie Tootsie thread.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 467||12 hours ago|
George Gaynes hitting on Dustin Hoffman only counts as bisexual at most.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 468||12 hours ago|
Sally Field actually has a gay son. Put that in perspective.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 469||12 hours ago|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 470||12 hours ago|
R467, there are so many theatre threads running at DL right now, you really do have your pick of conversations. You can choose from Gypsy, Follies or...Follies, Gypsy. Take your pick.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 471||12 hours ago|
Someone needs to do a medley of “Losing My Mind” And “Ladies Who Lunch” And call it “Losing My Lunch.”
|by Hope Emerson||reply 472||12 hours ago|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 473||11 hours ago|
[quote] All this other stuff about “they didn’t make soaps that way,” etc. is just nonsense. It’s called “suspension of disbelief” cupcakes and it’s inherent in all dramatic forms.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 474||10 hours ago|
How about an all female Company retitled The Ladies Who Munch.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 475||10 hours ago|
How about comparing cute guys who've done productions of "The Full Monty" and "Naked Boys Singing"? That's worth a thread if ever there was! How about a thread title: "From Laura Noses to Naked Theater Guys' Hoses"?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 476||10 hours ago|
Noses Supposes his hoses like Roses So Noses Supposes He follows Gypsy.
Roses supposes that noses smell roses and Roses and hoses are plenty to see!
|by Hope Emerson||reply 477||10 hours ago|
If a work fails to achieve a willing suspension of disbelief in its audience, then if fails.
The concept is meant to explain why we are willing to accept a tap dancing chorus of commuters from Yonkers or twins separated at birth coming face-to-face, or some other improbability.
It is not a license for poorly plotted scriptwriting.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 478||10 hours ago|
And for all the numbskulls who always go about how Jessica Lange didn't deserve an Oscar, she is so clearly not Julie in Tootsie, whereas Teri Garr IS undoubtedly Sandy Lester. And I love them both.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 479||10 hours ago|
The Sandy Lester/Michael Dorsey relationship just barely pre-dated the Teri Garr/David Letterman dynamic that they played out on Late Night throughout the '80s.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 480||10 hours ago|
R460 made the case for both hate speech laws and capital punishment.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 481||9 hours ago|
The other factor in Lange's Oscar win for Tootise was her stunning performance in that year's Frances.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 482||9 hours ago|
Is Neverland in Encino?
|by Hope Emerson||reply 483||8 hours ago|
|by Hope Emerson||reply 484||8 hours ago|
Jessica Lange is no Fay Wray who seriously was a wonderful actress.
|by Hope Emerson||reply 485||8 hours ago|