Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79)

Previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

What exactly is the lie they caught Stone on?

Thanks OP.

He once claimed not to be a complete asshole working to bring Trump and Wikileaks and Russia together, R4

Ugh I didn't need to see stones titties.

*uncontrollable barfing* Oh well, it's better than seeing Trump's.

I find Roger Stone to be oddly sexy. Wouldn’t mind chewing on them nips. I bet he’s got a teeny peen, though.

OP I see what you did there! Great title, thanks!

he would appreciate it, r9. He was quite the swinger back in the day. the faraway day, but still, the day.

Great and grotesque title, OP. Apt.

Roger Stone is repulsive. Very weird looking guy. Who would want to be greeted by Nixon's criminal face when going through the back door.

Awesome, OP! Love it!

Is that a real pic in the original post O.o ?

Surely it's photoshopped !

I almost feel bad for the conservatives who are freaks. almost. they bought into this bullshit that Reagan was selling, so it's an almost. but I do almost feel sorry for them.

It is very interesting in that Stone was never interviewed by Mueller.

In other words, Mueller had him six ways to Sunday corroborated in all of his crimes.

He will never plea; he will go to trial,

It will be gloriously bad for him.

[quote]Which reminds me, how did CNN know to be there?

They had someone stationed on constant watch overnights at Stone's house.

Apparently, the last time there was a Thursday meeting of the Grand Jury, indictments followed on Friday. After this past Thursday's Grand Jury meeting, the CNN reporter thought Stone might be indicted, so CNN was staked out there.

CNN probably has several high profile individuals staked out for Felony Fridays.

Wonder who won the office indictment pool this week?

Federal Grand Juries typically convene weekly over 18 months on the same day of the week. The term can ge extended by six months as it was in this case. The next three weeks should be very interesting and we should see more indictments, especially with fear that idiot will shutter the govt again. Of course that would be even more damaging to Trump, but he’s got a very good brain.

What's "swinging from the treasons" a reference to? What's it a play on?

It’s a Frankie Valli song, Rose

Steve Miller's new hair growth is hot!

Thanks for the laugh, R24.

Is that spray painted on hair?

I can not wait until the low life fucker ends up in prison. One thing we should realize, he can hop in a plane...20 minutes later he will be in Cuba.

I find it hard to believe he is only 66...he looks much older.

Can't wait for Bernie to announce. We BernBros are gearing up!

Roger Stone threatened Randy Credico AND his dog.

Bernie and Trump have one thing in common: a yuge ego. Bernie USED to be ok in my book, he's my state Sen. after all, but this is just stupid. No one is amused in Vermont right now. No one who wants anything to happen here, that is.

A run for the presidency is just embarrassing.

I wish they would both drop dead.

Bernie should not run.

Hillary should not run.

R32 / R33

I seriously doubt Hillary wants anything to do with politics at this point. Other than to sit back, count all her millions, and watch the circus acts as they enter the main ring.

Towards the end of the last thread, Seth Abramson had pointed to Stone’s penchant for using WhatsApp to secretly communicate with Trump, and Kushner for WhatsApp-ing the Saudis - all of themselves mistakenly assuming the communications would be untraceable.

Is THIS why we’re now hearing about Facebook merging insta and WhatsApp???

Is Zuckerberg running interference?!

^^^ dataliunge thread re:Facebook/WhatsApp merge

R36 here, still waking up. Sorry for failing to proofread autocorrect in above posts

R523 in the previous thread was "wondering" why Trump had only issued one pardon so far. That is incorrect. Trump has issued seven pardons: Arpaio, Saucier, "Scooter" Libby, the Oregon father/son wildlife refuge terrorist assholes, etc., fine jerk-offs all. He pardoned one African-American, prizefighter Jack Johnson, nearly 100 years after Johnson was sentenced.

R36..... Fascinating twitter comments and explanations. Thank you. Seems like all they really wanted was Stone’s hardware.

AP - In Trump ally Stone's case, Mueller finds crime in cover-up

R40, don’t forget Dinesh D’Souza, campaign finance violator.

Can the Liza pronunciation troll please send up how she would say Dinesh D’Souza? I would try, but I’m not very good at it. :-)

Finally Seth Abramson has seen the light regarding Bernie Sanders and his "problematic" Russia/Tad Devine connections. Abramson even admits he was wrong (tacitly).

Sanders, Jill Stein, Rand Paul, love that Putty Poop, so no to them running for U S. President again. Trump lites at least.

From Politicalwire. Stone is fucked:

“Mueller does not need Stone to get to someone else and, even if he did, he could not rely on whatever Stone told him. Stone has nothing to sell that Mueller would be interested in buying.”

What a bunch of idiots...What's App is not secure!!

Dinesh Dishoosha

Stone could be Bob Barker’s brother.

Donald pulling numbers out of his big orange ass this morning:

We are not even into February and the cost of illegal immigration so far this year is $18,959,495,168. Cost Friday was $603,331,392. There are at least 25,772,342 illegal aliens, not the 11,000,000 that have been reported for years, in our Country. So ridiculous! DHS

Good God, SUCH a moron.

So Stone communicated with guys like Trump, jr on some social media app? *facepalm*. With all that money these corrupt assholes get from the 1% and Putin get and they didn't hire some loyal, right wing incel to write them an app with anonymizing and encrypting feature only insiders could crack?

Add to r53. It's painfully obvious that these guys want to get caught and punished for what they do, because on a subconscious level they know what they do is wrong and as a result self sabotage themselves every chance they get.

It's interesting that they didn't get someone like Peter Thiel, a right wing Silicon Valley guy, on board to at least consult him to prevent some "Hillary's Email" blunder themselves.

The idea that they're self-destructing gives me such joy.

[quote]anonymizing

If Trump can't understand or pronounce a word he instantly deems it unimportant.

R53 let's not forget Junior Mints was caught talking to Russians on Twitter.

They did not need Thiel...they had the Russians.

This Stone guy is bizarre. Perfect for Trump. Loves the spotlight, totally egocentric, sex crazed, morally corrupt. It is almost comical - until you realize this is how the country is being run. Of course, Fox News ignores it all. A whole different world of information.

For some reason...every body always lets them get away with all their crimes so they assume that it will always be the same.

Straight for the Senatrice's mouth: If Trump caves, it's the end of his Presidency! Please let Miss Lindsey be right!

The majority of Americans support Dems investigating Trump but many feel it will go too far.

Come on people! Trump and the Gang have GONE TOO FAR already.

"Is that a real pic in the original post O.o ?

Surely it's photoshopped !"

It's real, all right.

This is a good watch.

It's interesting because for the first time all of them agree, even that Drumpf Loving Cow Moooogan, that Stone needs to rot in jail.

Sunny explains how he's essentially looking at a Lifetime Sentence. She goes in on how the indictment is 24 pages and that its "chalk full of illegal activity," and that they didn't charge him with all of the things they could have. She calls it a "teaser indictment," which basically warns him that there are bigger things they can and will charge him with.

What I found most fascinating though is that Abby said that with Stone being indicted the walls appear to be closing in and seeming more and more impossible that the Campaign didn't know about Wikileaks and for her, where it will all shift is if there's evidence that one of the crotch fruit knew about it then it's "game over," and there's no way Drumpf didn't know about any of it.

Yes, that's a dumb comment because obviously they knew about it, but what I find interesting is that there seems to be a shift and I do believe that the media might actually start shifting the narrative. Of course it'll be for their own advantage, either the Rethugs or the Networks, but I do think that we are slowly seeing the shift.

And I love Navarro's reaction to it all. Don't worry, I'm only allowing myself to like her for now while she serves her purpose.

r64....

R65 "THE WALL" ... as well as the walls... are closing in!

Stone was doing dirty tricks since he was age 18 or 19. He was 19 when he testified at a Watergate heard when he had been working for Nixon. Sam Nunberg was a disciple. Jerome Corsi was behind the swift-boating of John Kerry. Michael Caputo and others are connected with Russher ties. Corsi is big on false conspiracy theories such as Pedo-Pizza and so forth. All this Clinton murdering nonsense is tied to these characters. Add Alex Jones and all the Infowars bullshit. They have been doing this stuff since the '70s. They are old men now, and got sloppy. Their hero and climax, DJT, will turn on them attempting to save his own ass if it comes to that.

Watergate hearings, not heard^

R53, there is such an app backed by Eric Prince. It’s called Wickr.

And Bone Spurs is still using an unsecured device, right?

And yet Deplorables are STILL bitching about Hillary's.

[quote]For some reason...every body always lets them get away with all their crimes so they assume that it will always be the same.

To be fair, they're playing pretty great odds -- politicians and political hangers-on (along with priests and the prosperous class) have been getting away with horrendous crimes since the dawn of time.

Meanwhile, the Koch brothers have gathered a large coalition of conservative billionaires to plan strategy for 2020. They plan not to back trump but others on the right to strengthen the party and win seats. From the linked Wa-Po article:

""The Koch network is planning to back races for the U.S. Senate and House and state legislative seats to make the greatest impact," spokesman James Davis said.

“We’ve found overwhelming support that reaffirms the strengths of our partnerships. This is borne out by the fact that we will welcome our largest group of supporters this weekend in Palm Springs,” Davis said in a statement.

Long seen as GOP kingmakers best known for their pro-business agenda, libertarian leanings and support for the tea party movement, David and Charles Koch have made waves by lambasting Trump and his administration.

They refused to back Trump during the 2016 election, vowed to hold him accountable to conservative priorities like free trade, free markets and small government and have been outspoken against the White House on immigration and infrastructure spending."

[quote] there is such an app backed by Eric Prince. It’s called Wickr.

I am starting to wonder how much they trust each other? And is there something like an "honor among thieves" type of gentlemen agreement between them?

I mean Trump favorite pastime seems to be to throw underlings and associates under the bus (barely knew the guy!).

I think he would be fun in bed....thought to be bi...

Love this title, OP. Makes me smile and thank you for that.

Arrogant fuck.

NY Daily News is reporting that Hillary is gonna run again....

The 2016 Democratic presidential nominee is reportedly weighing a third run for the Oval Office, despite her past failures.

"Clinton is telling people that she's not closing the doors to the idea of running in 2020," CNN White House correspondent Jeff Zeleny said Sunday.

"I'm told by three people that as recently as this week, she was telling people that look, given all this news from the indictments, particularly the Roger Stone indictment, she talked to several people, saying 'look, I'm not closing the doors to this.'"

Clinton ran against President Obama in 2008 before losing to him in the primary, then lost to President Trump in the 2016 general election.

The former Secretary of State hasn’t publicly addressed a potential run recently, but said in October that she’d still “like to be President.”

“There's going to be so much work to be done,” she told Recode.

“I mean we have confused everybody in the world, including ourselves. We have confused our friends and our enemies. They have no idea what the United States stands for, what we're likely to do, what we think is important, so the work would be work that I feel very well prepared for having been at the Senate for eight years, having been a diplomat in the State Department, and it's just going to be a lot of heavy lifting."

The 2020 field is already crowded with hungry Democrats, including Kamala Harris, Julián Castro, Kristen Gillibrand, Tulsi Gabbard, Elizabeth Warren, Michael Bloomberg, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.

Stone's stupid preening, posing routine after he posted bail reminded me of Michael Jackson dancing on the car after one of his trial days. Weird.

R79 If Trump goes down for cheating, why not? She can shame the GOP for the entire campaign. It would be delightful!

And the NYDN has the audacity to caption that article, "She hasn't learned her lesson yet."

Fuck them.

The media is still asking how both sides will compromise. repugs will not compromise. They have done egregious things, like the Garland treachery, that show they not only will never compromise but can never be trusted. There is nothing to compromise over. They all agree on everything except that wall.

Pres Bone Spurs was handed his ass by Nancy. Now he is going to do something so incredibly stupid to get his manhood back it is likely to further hurt the country and himself. He has come up against someone who has actual power and will use that power in smart, effective ways. This may be the first time, aside from Putin, he has come up against someone who has the power and will to stop him where he cannot schmooze or sue is way around it.

Nancy the bomb diggety.

Bannon's (Bowel) Movement.

Once indicted, he can be extradited from Europe, correct?

David Bossie was a fucking joke on ABC This Week today.

Fuck Bernie Sanders.

R31 is a Bernie Bro!

It's gonna be one hell of a primary season.

R88 The field will thin down very quickly I suspect.

I don’t see how R31 is a BernieBro; he’s just come to his senses. If only Bernie would too.

Bernie is not going to have even a quarter of the traction he had last time.

R92 Because the Russian money runs dry this time...

R90 Hillary is f*cking with those ingrate Dems!

What I know of South Bend, IN Mayor, Pete Buttigieg, I like. He's forming an exploratory committee to run for President.

He's openly gay, and has an impressive military record. His name though, in the campaign will generate a lot of commentary.

Robby Mook, sign-on with Pete and help him out as a campaign manager and strategist. You have the experience. No more losing.

R69 R70

Bernie is an asshole and it is time to fuck off. I am glad Hillary called his ass out finally for not fully embracing her. And you know what? He has never gone full in on Pres Bone Spurs like he did on her. His votes on Russher are troubling and he has never been held accountable. I will never forgive him for not fully embracing her. He was a petulant child and showed he doesn't have what it takes to be President.

TAD DEVINE......that should tell you all you need to know r97

Miss Lindzey looks tired, saggy, puffy bags under eyes, redness in the face, etc. She needs a makeover!

It did wonders for Donna Brazile.

No gay guy whose name looks like it's pronounced "butt gag" is going anywhere.

WASHINGTON – Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz got a chilly reception from Democrats on his potential White House bid as a third-party candidate.

Democratic presidential hopeful Julian Castro warned Sunday that an independent run by Schultz would mean President Trump winning reelection in 2020.

“I have a concern that, if he did run, that, essentially, it would provide Donald Trump with his best hope of getting reelected,” Castro, the former Housing and Urban Development Secretary, told CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Castro like other Democrats fear that Schultz, who has described himself as a lifelong Democrat, would siphon off enough votes from the Democratic nominee to leave Trump with the most votes.

“I don’t think that that would be in the best interest of our country,” Castro said. “We need new leadership. … I would suggest to Mr. Schultz to truly think about the negative impact that that might make.”

Schultz, a billionaire, is mulling a 2020 bid for president as an independent and spoke to “60 Minutes” about his aspirations in an interview to air Sunday evening.

He positioned himself as an alternative to a failing two-party system.

Typical billionaire who rails against a failing two party system. Guess what, asshole? We don't have a parliamentary system. We do have a two party system and you don't have the fucking GUTS to pick a side. What we have is ONE party who has failed and failed again thanks to billionaires who play both sides instead of punishing a side who acts in bad faith like the repugs do!

Does anyone truly think his being an Independent is enough to garner a substantial amount of votes?

He looks to have the charisma of a dishrag.

R101 These people should start at a lower level first to prove they are serious at working for the greater good. Going straight for the presidency only because you were "great" in business is how we got this Russian stooge in the WH in the first place.

R104 there was a great article that touched on something similar having to do with Bernie Bros. If I can find it I'll link it but it basically said Bernie was not the way to try to shake up the system. That the only effective way to do it was at the Grassroots level. Trying to go straight for the Presidency would only ultimately just fuck everything up.

The problem with CEOs with big egos as President is these CEOs don't take criticisms well at all and they are used to having their way, running the company into the ground before the company board finds the nerve to fire them or make them change course.

Howard Schultz should focus on improving the pastries and breakfast sandwiches at Starbucks. They are awful, given the costs. And the coffee is over-priced.

R107. Did you miss the bit about him being the FORMER CEO? Well???

oh whatever. Everyone jump in. Do not care yet. Most will drop right out or go nowhere.

Like the Hitchhiker's Guide says: Don't Panic, Bitches!

Most dangerous would be Bloomberg, he would use his own funds and he will spend a lot!

R107 They are awful. The only things decent are the muffins!

Shultz should "primary" Trump if he wants to contribute.

If going for the CEO as President, Michael Bloomberg has the solid experience as a major government executive.

You all have to read this. Yesterday's Electoral Vote had a good item on the implications of Stone's indictment on the Trump campaign. This shit show is going from off off Broadway, to off Broadway to BROADWAY fast.

R108 check his stock holdings in the corporation, then question his influence. Well???

Schultz is very liberal, no? He couldn't primary Pres Bone Spurs for that reason.

R115 Trump used to be liberal, too. LOL They used to call them "limousine liberals."

Trump may feel forced to drop Pence and add a woman to the ticket. Possibilities:

Cindy Hyde-Smith?

Liz Cheney?

Nikki Haley?

Caitlyn Jenner?

R106 you’re so right. Was t there a study that said 20 percent of CEOs were psychopaths? I believe it—we have one in the WH now.

r117 From what I know, Trump isn't in a position to pick his running mates.

Dear Mr. Shultz:

A nation is not a corporation. Your business skills are not transferable. Thank you for bringing our culture coffee drinks that allow Americans to poison themselves with fat and sugar, but please enjoy your grossly under taxed billions and play golf now. We've had sufficient.

The Voting Public

[quote]Trump may feel forced to drop Pence and add a woman to the ticket.

Well, we all know his first choice.

Sore neck, Dear?

As Sophia would say:

Picture it. A Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign rally in Des Moines, Iowa. 20,000 attending. Bernie energizes the Bernie Bros with a renewed promise of free tuition and many other free goodies from the newest Samsung Smartphones to $5,000 retributions to everyone paid by Wall Street. Chants ring out, screaming Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie, seizing the moment, drops his trousers, takes off his soiled Depends, and tosses it into the crowd. All the Bros stampede to get a shred.

[quote]All the Bros stampede to get a shred.

And all for naught as Susan SaranDONE will already have her face buried in it before any of those bros can even reach the stage.

[quote] That the only effective way to do it was at the Grassroots level.

But, then, when people like AOC try to do that, she gets chastised for being too idealistic, or whatever else centrists (let's be honest, center-right, which rules the DNC) like to whine about.

R125, personally, I just think she's kind of dumb. Has nothing to do with her grassroots cred or idealism or whatever.

r125 Here we go again. No, the DNC is NOT center-right. WTF are you smoking, Boris? That is STRAIGHT out of Russian talking points. They do it all over Europe. Portray the left party as "not left enough, center-right" and push everyone on the left for purity. How did that work out here last time????????????????

AOC quoting the Bible to Sarah Huckabee Sanders about climate change.

Love Patricia Arquette’s shout out to Robert Mueller at the SAG Awards tonight.

AOC's fine, she's just beginning her political career and she's doing well. She'll do even better as she gains experience and knowledge.

She is not dumb.

R130, her interviews and knowledge base is a little light on facts and, ya know, knowledge. She's a Bernie clone. Maybe she'll grow up and into the role but Bernie never did and they don't seem to think they have to because they are rewarded for simply saying things without actual plans or facts to back them up.

She's fine, R131, she's the youngest person ever elected to the House. She's only been on the job for a few weeks, we're still in January, dear. She'll get the hang of things. She's clever and young and very liberal and so what? Having one or two very liberal Democratic representatives is a long tradition with us. Dennis Kucinich was in the House for ages.

We're fine with it. You folks have enough to deal with without worrying about our party. Your party's a disaster and your fake potus is probably going to be indicted.

R132, I'm a Democrat, dear. And Kucinich and Wellstone, etc., didn't give interviews where they had no way to explain their own plans. They didn't support ridiculous candidates in races where real Democrats were running. They waited until they'd actually done something before taking on the mantle of liberal leader.

Maybe now that she's around other Democrats with more experience, it will rub off on her but she has to be willing to listen and learn and I haven't seen a lot of evidence that that's the case. Glad she came around on Pelosi for Speaker and I hope she got permission to vote, alone, against the rest of the party last week. I also hope she distances herself from Bernie but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Anyone that annoys Sarah H. Sanders has appreciable virtue.

Schultz is a classic "both-sides-er".

"The system is broken. I can fix it." type.

WE DON'T WANT YOU.

R130 If AOC understands her role as Dem's Distraction for the GOP, then she's fine. If she lets her ego get ahead of her, then she becomes a problem.

We're going to need a nominee who outshines any other possible Trump-slayer so a third-party BS nominee can't reasonably set forth a campaign without looking silly or vaguely Russian-influenced.

Miller's new "hair" looks like wet fireplace ashes were applied with a spatula and left to dry. The whole lot of them are sick and weird.

Roger Stone has always given me pedo vibes. What a fucking creep.

Am I alone in thinking that a real billionaire running third party will take more Repug votes from Trump than Dem votes? Democratic leaning independents will stick with the Democrat. Liberals aren't going to vote for a corporate head, former or not. He will get the old-time Repugs. He'll get the semi-sane Repugs who, while disliking Trump, wouldn't vote for a Democrat. And, the fucking Bernbros, of course, would probably go to him, especially if there's a woman anywhere near the Democratic ticket. He'd be Ross Perot 2.0 as far as I can see.

What Democratic votes would he take?

[quote] R105: ...but it basically said Bernie was not the way to try to shake up the system.

I like experienced politicians. And I don’t really want anyone to “shake up the system”. I have to wonder what people expect? Shaking the system can be a really dangerous thing. I’d prefer incremental change.

In '92, wealthy executive and Independent Presidential candidate Ross Perot got enough votes that helped G. H. W. Bush lose the election, and Bill Clinton won. Perot didn't win any states, but received 18.9% of the popular vote. Only one candidate received a state's majority vote. That was Bill Clinton in his home state of Arkansas.

Perot's political views, however, drew more Republicans than Democrats.

In 2000, Ralph Nader helped cause Al Gore to not get elected (Florida controversy understood).

For 2020, Independent candidates will hurt the Democratic nominee because they will split the "anybody but Trump" voters. Trump is very polarizing. Very few voters would be on the fence about Trump.

Trump though, may not survive the Mueller report and will not run for 2020.

r142 Reports have shown Clinton would have won, Perot or no Perot. Perot took just about equally from both candidates.

r140 Schultz is very liberal if I am not mistaken. He will not get traditional repug votes. It is very suspect he is running as an Independent when he was going to run as a Democrat. Something VERY fishy.

If Trump isn't warning enough, rich people with multinational corporation background can't really be trusted to have *only* US's interest at heart. Trump's "America First" rhetoric is obviously a front for ceding American influence to Russia.

Jesus, R133, if you're a Democrat... ahem. Well, people do type all sorts of things.

How about you give "your fellow Democrat" a few weeks on the job before you rip her to shreds for fun online. It's never too late to become a human being, dear.

R145 Her reputation precedes her. She grabbed the primary from an established Dem after all and swaggered like a Bernie Bro. If she's viewed with a bit of distrust, it is because she goes out of her way to rub people the wrong way. I think R133 is already giving her the benefit of the doubt seeing she was smart enough not to vote against Pelosi.

So Trump sent his WH chief of liars Mulvaney to talk UP his defeat as a "win". LMAO He says "many" democrats are coming to see things Trump's way.

Why do Republicans constantly push Democrats to be Lefty ideologues?

The Democratic Party is a big tent, full spectrum party. Only Pelosi can herd them kittens.

Republicans are so fucked up, all the advice in the world cannot save their ivory asses from extinction.

The big mouthed, ivory assed Conservative soon will only be seen stuffed in glass university cases.

After "businessman" Trump I don't think even a Liberal businessman will be a favorite amongst the voters. If Hillary announces her run she should have it in the bag, because the general public believes she was cheated out of the win in 2016 (and will not sit the 2020 election out as they probably did in 2016) and she is a real polititian and not some outsider like Trump therefore knows how to be a proper POTUS.

[quote][R142] Reports have shown Clinton would have won, Perot or no Perot. Perot took just about equally from both candidates.

I believe the final analysis said that a third would have voted Clinton, a third HW, and the final third wouldn't have voted.

Steve Schmidt tells Republicans who are anti-Trump to vote for Democrats but is "advising" Schultz who plans to run as an Independent. For anyone who hates his business model of targeting blocks with small coffee shops and opening a Starbucks across the street or a couple of blocks away and putting those small business owners out of business, or simply hates the taste of their coffee, not to mention the exorbitant prices, this is going to be a disaster for him and his brand. He couldn't even run a pro basketball franchise. He will be a disaster who could syphon off votes from a Dem and allow Trump to sneak back in. We don't need another billionaire president. And that goes for Bloomberg who called pot another addictive narcotic. Please convince me that these brainiacs wipe their own asses.

I'd take Schultz over Bloomberg. Starbucks was fairly benign for a corporate behemoth. They're not Walmart.

Bloomberg would just be the same plutocratic approach that he took to NYC writ large. And the federal workers would loathe him.

Unless you happened to own one of those small shops. Thirty thousand Starbucks worldwide isn't benign or small potatoes. Plus, he's something of a bore. Every Dem who has announced he or she is running is more charismatic and has actual experience working in government. And the Uncle Joe has yet to throw his hat in the ring. Here's the thing. If Schultz is such a mensch to work for then do it. Your life will be sunshine and roses. He and his wife are philanthropists. Great. A lot of rich people are. But nothing he said in that interview convinced me that he is qualified to run a country. Why didn't he run for Governor or Senator or Congress and learn how to govern and legislate first? Because his EGO requires him to go for the gold ring. That alone turns me off.

[quote]Unless you happened to own one of those small shops. Thirty thousand Starbucks worldwide isn't benign or small potatoes.

They also pay reasonably decent wages and have great benefits, even for part-timers. Their coffee used to taste like shit, but they fixed that.

I'm not saying putting the independent shops out of business was a good thing, but I would bet they don't also have the majority of their employees on the dole like Walmart does.

On the contrary R54 it just shows how stupid, arrogant, and careless people like this are. They're stupid and arrogant enough to think they'll get away with whatever they do, and careless because none of them have much knowledge of how the internet works. Most middle school children know infinitely more about the internet's inner workings than Trump or any of his cabinet members and advisors. I can pretty much guarantee you that Trump wouldn't know what an IP address is if you asked him. These nitwits think "if I don't sign what I write on the internet no one will know it's me". Plus, Trump figured once he became POTUS he had ultimate power over everything and everyone in the government and was untouchable. And his stupid underlings all thought "if I get into trouble daddy Trump will take care of it and make the mean law enforcement people leave me alone".

It's staggering how people this dumb get these highly placed, well paying jobs.

I worked for Starbucks when they were in Seattle and Chicago, while in college. Full benefits for 20/hours a week, and they'd insure your gay partner in (as early as) 1993. I have a little respect. Having said that, Ralph Nader and Bernie have shown us the error of voting the 3rd party. We don't need another out of touch billionaire white man in charge, fake billions or not.

I know all of that, r154. Not disputing it. Referenced it in my post. What you are doing is comparing Starbucks to Walmart and ignoring the fact that he put small, INDEPENDENT, business owners out of business because what they were selling was a better tasting product and a lot cheaper. I can get a good cup of coffee AND a delicious egg, bacon, and cheese on a roll at my local bodega all for the price of one shitty tasting cup of coffee at a Starbucks. He became a billionaire because people bought into the hype. Not a better product. But that's just my opinion.

I hope everything he's ever done is exposed is Schultz runs.

Tear him down.

Back and forth with the virtues/vices/not-so-badness of Starbucks. Starbucks is irrelevant. How anyone runs a massive business is irrelevant because it's informed by pretty standardized MBA orthodoxy. Grow up.

*if Schultz runs

OP's picture is disgusting.

Bernie Sanders will not happen with black voters in South Carolina, an early primary state. Nor much with others, for that matter.

Enough with the media promoting such.

He did the 'job' he said he wanted to do in 2016.....so why is he running again?

I want age restrictions on the Presidency going the other way. Over 75 is disqualified on the basis of overwhelming health issues. In his case, mental.

Oh, and for the fucking troll that keeps calling me a 'Bernie Bro' - THANK YOU! I loved his ideals and many of his ideas, though derided by the center, are indeed possible. His health care plan is no more radical than Nixon's was. Given that I know that, I'm far too old to be a 'bro' and the wrong gender. I'll settle for 'Bernie Bitch' in that case and I give you total permission to use it.

ANYONE trying to slur another Democratic voter, at this stage of the game, is a troll. They're seeking to create divisiveness by refusing to face forward and tackle the real problems we have. I'd gather, at this time of the day, that they're also PAID to do it.

I will vote for whoever gets that nomination and hope that it's someone young and vital. And I'll continue to give rides to the polls for all the nice little old Bernie Bros who need it. In fact, I'd rather hang out with Bernie Bros than the self-righteous, lying (yes, you lie about that donor information debacle all the time) assholes who can't get it out of their heads that she deserved a challenge for that nomination. In fact, I think it gave Hillary a lot more credibility. She had to run a tough primary season and did. I was proud to give her my vote for that, even if I don't always agree with her positions.

Schultz is an idiot. The dems have never proposed "free healthcare for all". Even a clinical moron knows funding has to come from somewhere and anyone with more than 5 brain cells knows that the government could never pay for health care for every citizen without patient co-pays and tax income to cover the costs. Free health care does not exist anywhere on the planet. There are places where the citizens don't pay anything to health care providers when they receive treatment, but they pay taxes that are specifically levied to pay for their healthcare, so IT AIN'T FREE.

You are correct, R164, those taxes do pay for EVERYONE, regardless of income. So a Canadian can get that expensive operation while the American of low income cannot.

We CAN afford it. Just the extra amount given to the military in the last budget would cover it. We have the will, but the lobbyists who created health care as a business do not want it. Obama's plan was a shitty compromise with those interests and it shows.

We can do better.

Healthcare in the USA will never be fixed until the government takes over the healthcare industry. The days of people wanting to be doctors primarily to help people is long gone. Now most anyone who goes to medical school has one thing in mind, become very rich. Until that mindset is changed and the healthcare industry, including drug manufacturing, is highly regulated so that these ludicrous charges some see are a thing of the past, the healthcare system in this country will always be the corrupt mess it is now.

Schultz is definitely a Democrat and a liberal one. His healthcare statements were just uninformed or dissembling. He looks damn good for 65 but he is a bore. Fuck him. His coffee sucks.

[quote]Trump may feel forced to drop Pence and add a woman to the ticket. Possibilities:

Mike Pence in a wig.

aka

The Leadership that America Deserves(TM).

Divisive Bernie Bitch at R163.

PROUD to be an “Anybody But AOC” Democrat!

[quote] Oh, and for the fucking troll that keeps calling me a 'Bernie Bro' - THANK YOU! I loved his ideals and many of his ideas, though derided by the center, are indeed possible.

They were Hillary Clinton's ideas before they were his. His campaign literally lifted the health care and economic policies directly from her website. And then took credit for them.

Maybe Pence will transition, r168! Trump would grab any other woman by the pussy, but Mike's mussy will be safe.

Mandatory retirement at 75 for any politician is something I can endorse.

[quote]ANYONE trying to slur another Democratic voter, at this stage of the game, is a troll.

Did you feel the same when Bernie Cultists were out there attacking non-Bernie fans?

Strike that, not "when," since many still are.

R171 nothing like getting your cooch grabbed on the golf course. Then am told the consequences if I don't cooperate. I was eager to oblige. hehe

Bloomberg is planning to run too.

Is Pence a top or bottom?

Asking for a friend.

I remember when Hillary was heading to a fund-raiser and there were BernBros tossing dollar bills (real or fake) as her vehicle and security drove by. I recall an elderly BernBro, among others, doing a jig in the street when the vehicles passed. Bernie's campaign alerted the media in advance about their forthcoming display. Even idiotic MAGA deplorables looked less trolling and obnoxious by comparison.

Sanders, even after it was clear he had not accumulated enough delegates to win the nomination, delayed his withdrawal until just a few days prior to the 2016 Democratic National Convention. His support/endorsement for HRC for the general campaign, was very lackluster, and his lingering bitterness was evident post-convention onward.

I'll never forget that Sanders was interviewed and asked about how Deplorables were behaving at rally's and he stated that it was up to Dotard to tell them to knock it off. When the interviewer asked him about his own supporters and how some of them were violent and not respectful and what did he have to say about that he replied that it wasn't up to him to tell people how to behave. It wasn't his job to police his supporters!

*rallies.

I have no excuse.

An unhinged Bernie Sanders supporter chased me down the street screaming this past weekend. It was an old man wearing a Bernie hat at the grocery store. On my way out, I was like, “Bernie? He’s so over. OVER.”

I put my headphones on and walked out and he followed me down the street screaming, practically frothing at the mouth. I looked back and motioned to my headphones like sorry I can’t hear anything you’re saying, hon.

It was juvenile of me, but I just saw that stupid hat and was immediately triggered.

All this meaness of Ann Coulter towards my President was far from lady-like. I tried to block all that out during the past weekend and focused on refreshing myself with instructional videos.

I enjoy the "dropping of the handkerchief" the most!

Knowing what I know now about Tad Devine I regret my support of Senator Sanders during the 2016 primary. But labeling EVERYONE who supported him in the primary as a mysoginist, violent, cultist Bernie Bro is both counter-productive and factually incorrect. Best wishes to you R163.

Also the reason we don’t have single payer in the United States is not because of greedy doctors or even pharma companies. It is because retirement programs are heavily invested in for profit insurance companies. If they lost value quickly (like REITs in 2008) it would be catastrophic for the economy. Passing a law outlawing new retirement account investments in health care insurance companies is a first step in what will need to be a gradual process.

Glad that Joy Behar brought up Ralph Nader today when the subject of George Schultz was brought up. I also blame that pathetic egotist for giving us Bush and consequently the Iraq War.

My main objection to Bernie is the incessant spittle on his wet lips. I like many of his ideas but they are currently unrealistic. We may eventually get there, but there is a battle still to fight with cheating conservatives. They must be vanquished. We need a realistic, brilliant, compassionate practical leader who is not into spewing bullshit.

Stone alledgedly has threatened another/others about killing his dog, then claims government agents terrorized his own dogs.

Regarding dogs, Stone must be a mixture of Mitt Romney and Huckabee's son.

The Humane Society needs to inject themselves with these heartless GOPers and their antics.

In my experience the Bernie Sanders supporters claim there's no difference between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party. When I ask one who makes this claim on a BBS if they believe Hillary Clinton would have someone like Stephen Miller drafting his immigration policies negatively affecting legal resident aliens and asylum seekers he accused me of falling for lies.

On Twitter I asked another, who made the same claim about no difference between the candidates if he was happy about the Supreme Court Justice appointments from 2017 onward and he posted a 14-tweet reply thread of insults.

It alarms me how common it is for candidate supporters to present a bullshit-sounding premise, and when asked a question stemming from that premise, instead of a thought-out reply or even a sheepish backpedal, launch into ad hominem attacks. Apparently expecting citizens to think about the possible ramifications of their vote, or probe beyond a trite and untrue but catchy and cynical "they're all the same" is expecting far, far too much.

In reality there was no difference between Drumpf and BS.

It’s become a staple of President Donald Trump’s riffs on the horrors of the US-Mexico border: Human traffickers gag women with tape so they can’t breathe before packing them into vans and driving them across the border illegally. As of Friday he’d made 10 references to it in 22 days.

But two weeks after Trump had started talking about tape-gagged women — when a January 17 Washington Post article had questioned the claim — a top Border Patrol official had to email agents to ask if they had “any information” that the claim was actually true.

Border experts have told the Post and other reporters that they’ve never heard of anything like what Trump is talking about.

Trump probably shared his own personal experience of trafficking women that way.

r189....projection by Trump as usual....hes referring to Trump Model Management and what they would do with their underage girls.

Ann Coulter:

RIDDLE OF THE DAY: How do you break Newt Gingrich’s nose? (ANSWER: Kick Donald Trump in the ass.)

Trump attached Fox News reporters John Roberts and Gillian Turner this morning for being "even less understanding of the Wall negotiations than the folks on FAKE NEWS CNN & NBC!"

Fox News anchor Julie Banderas responded: "By going on Twitter and insulting two of our journalists @realDonaldTrump is putting a target on their backs. In turn his followers will then attack @johnrobertsFox and @GillianHTurner in support on Twitter. Bullying journalists is not Presidential. Period."

My favorite Twitter response: "Just wake up from a 2-hour nap, Julie?"

Hate Ann -- but keep going guuuurl

Thanks for that r193.

I'm always grateful for a good laugh.

[quote]My favorite Twitter response: "Just wake up from a 2-hour nap, Julie?"

It would have been funnier if I had gotten the line right: "Just wake up from a 2-[italic]year[/italic] nap, Julie?"

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Was Kelly Anonymous?

I think so! gotta be!

I hop the fools at Fux keep being attacked by the bloviator.

This pleases me greatly

r200 The @FoxNews Twitter account has been inactive since November 8, 2018. It's easy and fun to presume that a law enforcement or an investigation bureau request to Twitter led to a cease-and-desist action. I also wonder if the account's inactivity has anything to do with the love gradually being lost between Fox News and Cheetolini.

Has Fox given a reason?

Is there no way that Hillary and President Obama could go after these disgusting, lying piggots ? No law suits? Nothing to punish these evil bastards?

[quote]Former White House aide Cliff Sims on Monday claimed Kellyanne Conway's leaking about President Donald Trump to reporters was 'the worst-kept secret in town.'

I remember Chris Matthews saying more than a year ago that Conway and Trump himself were both the biggest leakers and the biggest complainers about leaking.

r202 From what I see in November 2018 news reports and blog posts about the Fox News Twitter account going silent, on November 8, 2018 Fox News began a silent protest against Twitter after a group of demonstrators posted star host Tucker Carlson’s home address on the social network.

A lengthy quote from a NYMag post on the subject: [quote] A lengthy Twitter silence isn’t exactly the operatic fury you might have expected from an earlier Fox News, but it’s also pointed in a way you don’t often see in media companies’ dealings with social platforms. Most of Fox News’ peers, I think, would be very wary of stepping away from such an influential distribution network, even if their frustrations were legitimate. (Which, in this case, Fox’s are, in a way that old Ailes tantrums over reporters were not.)

[quote] Which helps explain why, even if the boycott is pretty impotent as a punishment, as a symbolic gesture, it’s quite striking. It’s so genuinely weird to see a enormous media corporation abstain from Twitter that it’s hard, really, to blame the conspiracy theorists

When this is all over, I hope Kellyanne has no more credibility than a toddler.

I'm ready for women to take over.

I also read that Fox found out Mueller was checking out their twitter feed and finding some sort of incriminating evidence. That’s more likely than that they’re so outraged they’re not promoting themselves on twitter. I bet that’s what they want people to think, rather than, “We’re the next fish in Robert Mueller’s barrel, and our lawyers told us to STFU!”

I never bought the “We’re protesting Twitter in support of Tucker Carlson.” It just doesn’t have the ring of truth.

My musing of the real reason for the silence is close to that of r208. It was asked what Fox News gave as the reason for the activity cessation of their 16.2-million followers verified Twitter account, and I supplied an answer as best I could.

It amuses me to see news of high-profile verified conservative Twitter accounts supporting Fox News, NRA, and Trump scrubbing and deleting their posts. There are no prudence, discretion or self-filtering in these accounts until they receive legal advice or word that their accounts have been subject to law enforcement review (e.g. Matt Drudge, Michael Flynn Jr., Sean Hannity, Fox News).

R201, I knew about their Twitter going dark but this is the first time the bloviator has called them out.

I hope they rip each other to shreds

[quote]When this is all over, I hope Kellyanne has no more credibility than a toddler.

When did she ever?

Delicious to consider what Murdoch's response to the trouble in paradise will be. He's de facto on record as considering Trump 'a fucking idiot' of course, so that bodes well.

If this Gotterdammerung goes as well as all the sneak previews suggest, there won't be enough popcorn or Champagne in the world to cope. We'll manage though.

You all realize, of course, that the "Bernie Bros" and "Hillary Girls" are mostly fake, right?

The right wing and the Russians had so much success pitting Bernie Bros against Hillary supporters that they've simply continued to stir shit on that front ever since. It's not real. It's a bunch of made up bullshit and an invented troll fight. Sometimes the troll fights with itself, one side supports Bernie, the other Hillary.

Why are we indulging this? Are we a bunch of dumb cunts? We didn't used to be.

Sure, R214, tell that to the people I know in real life who behaved exactly as described.

Poor Roger.

Didn't they kill Osama Bin Laden? Bitch needs to sit down.

Thanks r205. Now that you mention it, I do seem to remember that.

Re: billionaire Schultz running. People may have already forgotten that Bloomberg has also announced he's thinking of running. War of the billionaires? If we had any doubt that our country is a straight-up oligarchy, there's exhibit A.

I had to laugh at Dotard saying Schultz wasn't very bright.

R216 I thought old pervy Roger liked it rough?!?

Stone is frustrated that CNN is staking out his residence and thus fellow swingers fear to show.

'Mother' in leather as a dominatrix, and leading Mike wearing a spiked dog collar would be a sight to behold as they are waling up to Roger's door.

walking^

If Schulz or Bloomberg want to run as Democrats - they can primary. I do NOT want either one of them screwing up the general election running as Independents.

I wonder if Schultz and Bloomberg want to run to ensure that the 1%er's tax cut doesn't get compromised by the next administration.

The Atlantic's Natasha Bertrand:

Dem Sen. Blumenthal and GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley have introduced The Special Counsel Transparency Act, which "requires that a Special Counsel submit a report directly to Congress and the public at the conclusion of an investigation," or if he/she is fired or resigns.

Wsj just alerted that the investigation is close to being completed according to Whittaker.

Whittaker has just announced the Mueller probe will soon be over. No other description. He says he has seen it all.

So what does that mean for all the higher ups under suspicion? Did he pull the plug right before Mueller was about to blow his wad? Will we all have blue balls?

Was that Trump pulling the plug after the recent Stone arrest? Maybe he thinks Mueller is getting too close, so he can just get Whittaker to make sure it goes no farther.

The rumors are true...the investigation is almost complete.

If Whitaker has seen it all, then so has Trump. Given that Stone wasn't charged with conspiracy, I hope this report delivers the good we need. Otherwise, it's up to the Democrats in the House to keep pushing.

I suspect, Whitaker is pushing this to come to a close so that if the Dems do proceed with further investigations, it will give the GOP and Trump more potential "witch hunt" talking points.

WTF with that pic at R230? He looks like he’s sweating bullets.

Yeah, R230, look at that face. Is that the face of someone who knows anything?

R230 Mr. (Not)Clean cleaning up Trump's shit now?

Trump.....

Manu Raju:

Michael Cohen to House Intel for *closed* testimony on Feb. 8, Adam Schiff announces.

It's not over till the fat lady sings.

Never heard of Hillary girls r214

But I saw Bernie bros with my own eyes.

I don’t like the idea of term limits for Congressmen. It would virtually assure that they’d spend their entire last term looking for a lobbying job.

I could perhaps agree to limits for Justices. But the law would have to be structured so as to keep them from lobbying afterward. Maybe if we paid their full salary? I don’t know.

Generally, I prefer a big government over big business. We need the power center that the government can provide.

That’s fine, R236, I guess, as long as we get the damn transcript.

Anyone see Sol Weisenberg on MSNBC a half hour ago saying he doesn’t think there’ll be any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in Mueller’s report? How could anyone think that?

He sounds like one of those people who thinks that unless Mueller finds proof that Trump and Putin sat at a computer together hacking the emails themselves, and Trump handed Putin a sack of money, then there was no collusion. For fuck’s sake, they acted in furtherance of the conspiracy at the very least—we know that. And Trump concealed his campaign’s contacts with Russia from the feds when (I believe it was) Comey asked him if any Russians had approached the campaign and warned him that they would try to infiltrate the campaign and anyone in the campaign who is approached by Russians should report the incident to the feds. And Trump was like, “Will do, Sergeant” and then never did...

And then he gave cover to Putin for months and months, including up to the summit in Helsinki, for fuck’s sake!

How can anyone think Mueller won’t find several crimes to charge Trump with?

And this is to say nothing of the congressional inquiries and the SDNY! Jesus, Sol!

R241, the possible issue here is that white collar crimes like this are very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt because people cover their tracks, even though it appears that some of the players here were sloppy in their attempts. The legal bar is set high and much of what you mention looks really bad, but that doesn't -in itself - equal proof that Trump committed a crime (I believe he did, but belief isn't legal proof).

I say "possible" as we don't know what's in the report, so let's hang on and hope for the best (for the country) and the worst (for the Trump family).

I mean, Roger Stone was just indicted. That does NOT point to the investigation being over in 2-3 weeks.

Someone, a female Senator but can’t name her, said something, on Ari’s show, like “we will find in short-order that there are more people who will be charged with lying to the FBI.”

Fear is that Mueller will find enough to charge people around Trump but not him directly and that will be enough for him and his tards to declare victory. Nevermind the stench of an administration with dozens of indictments.

Though we know Cohen has directly implicated Trump directing payments to keep people from talking. That should be enough right? But in the Trump Age, I guess this could fall under nothing burger.

Judge abruptly cancels ex-Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort's sentencing in Virginia case

If they were indeed stupid enough to leave a paper trail or digital footprint by using social media apps it will be very easy to show the receipts for their criminal acts.

R246, what does that mean? Haven’t they already postponed it once? Has the judge been threatened?

AH, I just looked it up myself. I think it’s a good thing — Judge Ellis is now agreeing with Mueller:

[quote] Mueller's team had previously aimed to delay Manafort's sentencing in Virginia until the special counsel determined that he had finished cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators. But Ellis rejected the prospect of doing so as "highly unusual."

R190, I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump at the very least has personal knowledge of, if not experience in, such trafficking, although more than likely involving E. European female and borders. That is why he can be so vivid in his descriptions.

Investigating Mitch: It’s the Palmer Report, but it seems logical enough.

Does anyone doubt Pres Bone Spurs will be connected to Russian collusion? He says "No collusion" every day so that right there shows he is guilty.

I've been busy all day, did you see the Daily mail article about Roger being a swinger with his wife? They had pics and everything LOL

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Nancy is letting him give the STOTU on February 5th.

In presponse to Whitaker’s prediction at the press briefing earlier:

“Given that the Stone arrest just happened, I don’t see how Mueller himself could even know when Mueller is wrapping up.

What if Stone offers to cooperate and says a bunch of stuff that needs to be checked out? What if evidence was found in the post-arrest search?”

Stone has described himself as a 'try-sexual' because he's 'tried everything'. In 2008, Stone admitted the swinger stories were all true, saying: 'When that whole thing hit the fan in 1996, the reason I gave a blanket denial was that my grandparents were still alive. I'm not guilty of hypocrisy. I'm a libertarian and a libertine' . Pictured: Stone with his 'new friend Bubbles' at a 'Cinco de Milo' party in Miami that was hosted by Milo Yiannopoulos in 2017

It bears repeating -- MUELLER DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING. This is Trump, through Whitaker, trying to regain the narrative.

Has he "tried" children? He looks gross asf.

Yes r258. Haven't we heard this before?

The picture @OP is disgusting. Who ever said saggy tits were sexy?

When will these fucking old, nasty ass baby boomers stop taking off their fucking clothes. Nobody wants to see that shit.

Hmmm

Remember, one of Cohn's "boys"

Has the NRA been as quiet as it seems?

NRA has been mute and there were two shooting recently.

Nancy is going to let him give the SOTU?

Does anyone else feel like he's going to take the opportunity to do or say something to get "back" at her in an attempt to embarrass her?

Can someone PLEASE let him know that the ultimate television moment (and the one thing that will surely make Nancy madder than anything) would be for him to fire Pence at the start of the address and then resign at the end of it?

Nancy would be so so so so so humiliated and hate him forever!!! There'd be no greater retaliation, Donnie!!!

Nancy doesn't get mad. She just gets even (by kicking you where it hurts).

Pence was elected, Trump can't fire him.

I agree with R258.

Who really cares about the State of the Union (in the Trump era)? It’s a glorified press briefing minus the ability to ask probing questions.

Here' the wonderful thing about the SOTU. Nancy GAVE HIM PERMISSION TO HAVE IT.

Maybe Nancy know Pres Bone Spurs won't be around to give the SOTU...........

Big deal Whitaker is saying the investigation is almost over. Giuliani has been saying the same thing for eighteen months. For whatever reason, they think this is an effective strategy.

Whitaker is throwing shit out there. If you see the full statement, he cant even get a full sentence out without stuttering

Whitaker is doing his damnedest not to be indicted for any type of collusion with Trump's conspiracy.

I wonder if he was interviewed by Mueller officially.

Isnt Whitaker under investigation for that scam company he was involved with before Trump picked him ?

Could Whittaker be telling Trump it will be done soon to calm Trump down? Or because he knows the FBI will be knocking on Trump Jr’s door soon and doesn’t want them all to flee?

I’m just afraid Mueller wanted to go farther, but Whittaker said that’s as far as you’re allowed to go, stop now. Even Mueller seems to think Trump is above the law. If he’s not prosecutable, even if he shoots a baby on Fifth Avenue, what’s the point? Might as well let them all go free, and lock your babies up if you live near Fifth Avenue.

Don't you have a mattress to soak, Svetlana?

Maybe Whitacre is trying to warn Don Jr and Kushner to get the hell out of the country.

Mean as a snake!

It's like the trolls don't even bother trying to hide that they're trolling.

The day after the raid Stone was claiming that the raid scared everyone in the house but the FBI agents treated everyone quite well. So, what's the story Roger?

Of course it scared everyone in the house....its not everyday someone gets raided at 6am.

I wasn't saying he was vascilating between them scaring everyone and treating them kindly. I was responding to a post up thread where someone posted that Stone now claims the FBI treated him worse than Osama bin Laden during the raid.

"vacillating"

Roger Stone has a personality disorder and he’s disgusting. He is what Trump’s soul and brain would look like.

Whittaker was sweating like a cokewhore in a sauna!

Dann Webb, co-chairman of Chicago law firm Winston & Strawn, has declined the honor of joining Trump's legal team.

Roger Stone seems like his brain is fried from too many drugs in the Sixties. Or too many drugs now.

There’s a certain element of “Wheee! Who cares what happens to me!” going on here that implies either he’s going to joyfully jump off a cliff right before he reports to prison, or he really believes he’s getting a pardon. Which is it?

[quote]Whittaker was sweating like a cokewhore in a sauna!

R288 or like a Senator in a boy's locker room!!!

Also, it's apparent that the Troll Farm is out practicing for the next election cycle. Just take a look at the posts in the Clinton Not Ruling Out 2020 thread.

Why so sweaty, sweetie?

R293 Pants are on fire, no doubt!

r290 Keeping the charlatanry and woo away from this thread, I imagine Stone expects to be pardoned, in the way that sociopaths and psychopaths fully expect to get away with their harm, but only because he is deluded, not that he's seen any pardoning other than for Sheriff Joe Arpaio. He's different from Papadopolous, Manafort, Michael J. Cohen even; he's brighter than those dimbulbs, in his mind. He's the exception. And like other sociopaths and psychopaths he will not submit to law enforcement; he figured he could get away with lying and making false statements in the investigation, because he thinks he's smarter than anyone on the FBI Special Counsel team.

How often does a supervillain in a Bond movie go to jail? How often do they meet their demise hoisted on their own petard?

r293 He looks like he's staring at the barrel of a gun pointed at him.

[quote]The owlish, placid Senate majority leader spoke quietly but firmly.

Never seen any references of McConnell as "owlish".

I guess this was a more palatable attribute to use than the factually correct "turtle-like".

Since Cohen is scheduled to testify in front of the House committee next week does that mean the Rethugs finally seated their members?

As long as the testimony happens and the committee can work, I don't care R298, do you?

Has the GOP picked its people for the Intelligence Committee?

Yeah, R209, I do care since if they haven't been placed on the committee the GOP will probably stall so that it can't happen and he'll have to testify in front of the Senate first. So we probably should all care.

Manhattan Madam

R302, maybe I'm wrong but I assume that if they scheduled a hearing for a specific date, they can hold the hearing i.e. work.

As I said, as long as the testimony happens and the committee works, I don't care if the GOP are represented. I will care if nothing can be done except wait for the GOP to stop stalling - which I hope isn't the case as the House makes its own rules.

Well, R304, that's why I asked if they've been seated. I can see them scheduling the date anticipating that the GOP will seat their members by then.. but if not... then they can't have the hearing and the GOP will once again have successfully stalled and he'll testify at the Senate first.

Does Putty Poo have nose candy turtle tapes?

If you need a humor break.....

^^^^sorry....link^^^^^

Randy, don't pollute this thread with your shit.

The beast and all of its heads need to die. The time has come.

The correct phrase is "sweating like a whore in church".

And I should know.

r309,,,,come on....that video is genius....its everything weve been saying all along in 3 minutes....lol

Do you want to get and STD on your tongue?

Because that's how you get an STD on your tongue.

Yes, Randy because we know you're on DL and lift from the threads!

Wow the sex ad says his dick is 8 Inches PLUS! Maybe I don't hate him..

R309 Hadn't seen that before - thank you!

R316 Meant to thank R308

Randy Rainbow is wonderful. I have tickets to an upcoming show.

Old Enquirer story on Roger S.

Schultz is a sociopath.

What's next? Boycott Starbucks?

It's disturbing watching (recent) history just repeat itself. As if people have learned nothing. We need to stop idolizing rich people. Thankful for the people heckling him. Let's hope that grows.

R323, yes. But choose your replacement wisely. E.g., Coffee Bean has certain geopolitical positions that are arguably controversial.

[quote]I've been busy all day, did you see the Daily mail article about Roger being a swinger with his wife?

Yes, in 1996.

R173 and fellow defenders of that bullshit that happened in 2016. You can knock it off now. I'm not responding.

THIS site was a mess during the days after the election with supporters on both sides pointing fingers at whoever. Bernie is over. So if you're still beating that drum and trying to engage people in divisive bullshit, you show yourself for what you are: a troll.

Starbucks' day of reckoning has been too long delayed.

Is anyone testifying today?

Disgusting-chest Roger Stone is being arraigned today...

Boycott.

A replacement? Not Joe and the Juice, please. TOO douchey.

Sure, R327 you can screech that all you want. Guess what? It's bullshit that you want to say, "that was the past and you can stop bringing it up."

If you don't like it, good keep your word and shut up about it. The fact is that Bern cultists are STILL doing it, go check out the posts with #RunBernieRun and the shit that Twitter handler Lauren_Steiner tried to pull (and got her ass handed to her) while trying to promote Bernie and take down Kamala.

It's laughable that you want to call anyone out as a troll who calls out what Bernie and his cultists are doing because THEY will be called out. No one is going to let them get away with that bullshit this time around

So yes, do keep your word and don't respond. I doubt you'll keep to that though.

Yeup, troll. ^^^^^

Ugh. So tired of seeing so many pictures of this ghoulish, overly-formaldehyded old corpse. Like a bad body double for Bela Lugosi. Anyone who finds this thing remotely attractive - well, I guess that’s why there are STDs in nursing homes...

Stone is the face of GOP hypocrisy.

Wow, just checked out some of the comments in the Tweets mentioned at R331. So some of the RunBernieRun people are pushing the "No Russian Collusion" thing. They really don't believe there was any.

Wow.

Can't wait to move on to thread #80. The pic at OP is so gross.

Those people are trolls, like you, R335.

Progressives are not Russian apologists, but do keep pushing that agenda.

Here's how you get rid of Bernie (who is too old to run) and Trump (who is both too old and an idiot) - YOU IGNORE THEM.

Anyone pushing this shit out there, trying to cast a whole group of people as haters, is a troll. Period.

Funny, maybe you should take a course in reading comprehension. I didn't cast a group of people as anything. Funny since you can't seem to take your advice and love to throw the "troll" word around. Only a troll does that.

And I thought you said upthread you weren't responding? ha.

Just wait for the disgusting Junior Mint ones, R336.

Hope.

Trolls don't get that telling people to be aware of their games is a PSA, not a response to their stupidity.

We got the network rolling for 2020 in our community with a call chain for rides to the polls. In our small, rural community there are over 250 people on the list. I love how this shit has really activated the populace.

Now we need an Amendment requiring mandatory voting. No more excuses.

Elder Lez, thanks for the support. I wholly agree with you regarding investment in human necessities, like health care and living space. These are not investment vehicles and never should have been. The turning of health care into a business commodity was the beginning of the end. I'm calling my reps to ask them to sponsor a bill that would ban IRA/retirement investments into such 'businesses.' It should be the first step into any reform of that 'industry' to bring it back in line with the needs of consumers, not investors.

Someone is working overtime in trying to censor what people are allowed to post here. That in itself is suspect.

One thing is correct. Ignore it and hopefully it'll go away.

Bernie, college bankrupting Jane, Manafort buddy Tad Devine, and Weaver, etc. They are not going anywhere this time no matter how often CNN features Bernie at town halls, interviews, and at 'Russher' pushed rallies on social media.

Karmla Harris and Elizabeth Warren are already the 'leads' per west coast - east coast. Bernie got nothing from the broad south the last time; Kamala can if no major missteps or gaffes happen. Someone such as Sherrod Brown, Biden, Corey Booker, and Terry McAuliffe, may emerge as the frontrunner for the available or remaining establishment-centrist focused component of the Democratic party, who may generate appeal to the midwestern and northeast union/labor voters.

Bernie and his chic have faded, and he has nothing to add to his 20 year old talking points.

I hope Mueller will go after Devine and his Russian connections. I don’t think that will turn away rabid Bernie Bros, but it will turn away everyone else.

"The Senator" who is openly advocating undermining the role and responsibilities of Congress to please Trump.

Guess who?

Very old news, r253. But hey, one of the advantages of being old: we lived through stuff.

OT, maybe some of you all already know this. The Ritz Carlton in Rancho Mirage, CA is totally booked for a week for a billionaire conference with the Koch Bros. Security is really massive and even the restaurants seem to be off limits. Wonder what world impact decisions are being made.

I hope somebody pees in the soup.

R347 Good you noted. I heard about that forthcoming conference, but the story is under-reported. While the big focus right now is on trickster/collaborator Roger Stone, the Koch Bros are organizing with other billionaires of their ilk, to elect Republicans accountable to them on every state and federal level. They want foremost, their top 1% massive tax-cuts to remain intact, and that the deregulation of environmental protections and banking oversights continue unimpeded.

Graham pushing an emergency funding of "the Wall" to appease Trump while undermining the Legislative branch of government is disturbing behavior. This is authoritarianism and Graham knows it. Something wickedly is being held over his head. Or he has relinquished all principles for more short-term power.

R287 birds of a like feather. Lol, as far as which one he has , who knows. He is ticking many boxes for Histrionic PD but at lot of them are just extravagant Narcissists .

R315 and R318 I learned my lesson about deceptive looks. I fucked a fed. law clerk who looked super homely. When he took of his clothes he had the body of an adonis. When I saw Stone's body for a guy his age, like Anthony Weiner, I knew he was into kinky sex shit. The law clerk wasn't the only guy over 40 with a nice body I fucked. I noticed a trend forming, lol.

R342, your perception is askew. Go back and count the divisive comments in this thread and then my 3 responses. I don't block people unless they're racist and homophobic, and I do not believe it's policing anyone to call out the bullshit. The anti-whoever people have a right to say what they want, but what is that agenda about if it's consistent, constant, and divisive? Haven't we had enough of that? Politics is dirty and everyone wants to win. If you understand that, you don't get upset at a good race, you don't call their supporters, who are IN YOUR PARTY, anything. You pull together to win.

Trolls need calling out before they infect others with their ugliness. Equivocating the POS in the WH to anyone is a clue. He stands alone in his criminality, debauchery, and idiocy.

Making blanket statements about opposing supporters is a mistake. Ad hominem attacks yet another. Haven't we had enough of this? Not all of us will like who is chosen in 2020, but I do believe that we can and MUST present a unified front for that person.

I hope it's Sen. Kamala Harris, but no matter who it is, they get my total support, like every other Democrat I ever grew up with. We're old blue collar folks, and that may be why, but we're loyal and we don't take shit. So the trolls will be called out, you can whine about it as 'policing' and I'll continue to blame the magats and not my own Party for what is happening NOW.

Whitaker looked very unwell on tv.

R352

A troll's gotta troll.

It's funny that he can't see his own hypocrisy. But I guess that's to be expected.

Maya Harris, one of Hillary's Senior Advisers is Kamala's sister.

Why was Graham overseas recently? Reporters need to follow his every move.

Lindsey Graham...

...I'd love to slap the dick out of her mouth!

[quote]Why was Graham overseas recently? Reporters need to follow his every move.

Kindly mind your own damn business.

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats is testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee today.

CNN's Jim Sciutto reports that Coats was asked about what was discussed between Trump and Putin in their private meetings -- and Coats replied that the topic was “clearly a sensitive issue”, best discussed in a closed setting later this afternoon.

Supposed to be a big news day today...so much going on.

[quote] Why was Graham overseas recently? Reporters need to follow his every move.

He was in Turkey. My guess was to watch some oil wrestling.

"Baron, have you ever seen a grown man naked ...?"

[quote]He was in Turkey. My guess was to watch some oil wrestling.

Don’t be sillly. He didn’t go all that way just to watch.

[quote]I hope somebody pees in the soup.

A female or females, in tribute to the dossier.

R361 Those 4 guys around Graham were the four votes he received during the 2016 presidential primaries.

"Damit nitwit Miller, I told you to blindfold me, hogtie me, and send in three "drinking, hot Russian pee-pee girls", not "Russian hot tea drinking" girls.

Please escort Joyce Vane, Barbra McQuade, and Jill Wine-Banks out, and allow them to have whatever gifts they want, free, from the WH gift shop."

DJT

^Vance & Barbara

The Koch conference is about a constitutional convention probably.

AOC should show up at the Koch conference and sub as a waitress or bartender.

Very interesting interview on Nicolle Wallace’s show now, a one on one with Chris Christie. Fun to watch Nicolle try to pin Christie down on the facts about Trump’s campaign and heir constant contacts with Russians and all the lies they told. Christie seems to want to push the narrative that it’s all a big coincidence, that everyone who lied was just bad or stupid or both, and that their lies aren’t necessarily evidence of collusion. But he said Nicolle may end up being correct in the end.

"May end up being correct" ... it is to laugh.

I suspect they are having surrogates push the "Just a coincidence" and "Trumps are too stupid to collude" themes because they know something very collusive-looking is about to come out.

So, watching CNN right now -- Sara Gilbert as Gina Haspel on the next SNL?

Chris Christie was on Morning Joe. He's pushing his new book. His commentaries are intentionally consistent with what he has written.

I like Chris Christie's private little war on Jared Kushner.

Christie is making a point of saying that nobody has more influence on Trump than Kushner. So if Trump gets indicted, his defense is already being laid out: it was Jared's fault.

Jared should definitely be locked up. Fucking hate him! and his brother too.

I want Jared in jail, but I don't want Donald to walk away.

Put them in the same cell. That’s worse than hell.

[quote]Put them in the same cell. That’s worse than hell.

Well, not if Bone Spurs and Baby Girl are together. They'd quite enjoy that.

Junior Mint is big on tweeting like his dad. His are even more stupid if that's possible.

A fate worse than death.

The day that Junior Mint is indicted will be fun. I can't wait to see him in handcuffs.

Jeff Flake makes himself useless again.

How is that asshole Schultz going to run as a centrist when he is liberal? Fuck those asshole, sociopath billionaires. They don't care who they hurt because they're going to be juuuuuuuust fine regardless.

Of course NOW he turns on the Dems.

Beware when anyone says the two party system is broken. Those are Russian talking points. No, ONE party is broken. The Dems are just fine!

Yeah, when it comes to doing something about actually challenging Trump, Flake wimps out again.

Of course Flake isn't running... the RNC already announced it's not going to hold a Primary.

Flake got her hair colored and LOTS of makeup for that appearance....

That's not exactly the immediate situation r389. They are trying. Each state makes a decision about their own primary.

Yeah but the RNC voted days ago and if they're all in... no Republican is going to break from that and run.

Jeff Flake isn't running? Boo Hoo said no one.

R393 I'm sure Susan Collins is very, very, concerned about it.

Susan would walk around after a nuclear holocaust and wonder who was around to help her gather facts so she could have an informed opinion on the matter.

Aw, whatsa matter, Republicans? Frightened that your own voters will catch up to America?

If only Susan Collins was stronger.

Is it coming out? I heard Mitch McConnell talking about it on the radio in the car for a bit.

Garcetti isn't running. Lasted news.

Investigation please

[quote]Is it coming out? I heard Mitch McConnell talking about it on the radio in the car for a bit.

Is what coming out?

^^^^^^^^^^

If there was ever a face suitable for punching, it’s his. Investigate the shit out of this ugly fuck.

La Senatrice, R401.

RNC coming out for Trump ahead of the process could be embarrassing for them. The Mueller investigation isn't over, and House and Senate investigations will pick up steam. The potential for impeachment may get stronger as more evidence becomes disclosed.

Certainly, the Republican base remains solidly behind Trump, and any party challenger would get nowhere in the effort. But these Republicans are well short of the majority of the electorate and have basically no room to expand. They will depend on their voters' enthusiasm to get to the voting booths. And of course, help again from Putin will be anticipated, and possibly tampering occurs again where they think they can get away with it.

Maddow is really staying focused on the GOP blocking the House Intelligence Committee by not seating their members.

Dems need to increase the pressure.

If anyone sees Susan Collins in real life, make sure to point and laugh.

AGAIN.

R405 if she covers what can be done if they don't, like if there are options like either giving them a deadline or Nancy chooses for them, please share. I want to know how it will impact Cohen's scheduled testimony.

R405, is that little cunt Devin Nunes part of this shit?

R409, of course. He headed the committee before the midterms, and will return, if the GOP ever gets to seating members.

Lieu is trolling the Trumpies.

R411 LOL that made my day. Thanks for sharing it.

Bolton is so high school.

[quote]Susan would walk around after a nuclear holocaust and wonder who was around to help her gather facts so she could have an informed opinion on the matter.

I love you, R395.

R408, Rep. Jackie Speier (CA, Dem), a veteran on the committee, discussed it with Rachel, but she didn't indicate that there's a way forward other than waiting on the GOP to seat members.

It's weird that both Chris Christie and Donny Deutsch said today that it wasn't the Russia investigation that was going to be Trump's downfall, but the investigation out of New York state.

I put more stock in what Donny says because he gets all of his info straight from Michael Cohen.

It certainly is the easiest to prove these cases because they're bound to be paper cases and God knows they confiscated tons and tons of paperwork from Cohen. Bonus, all the little Trumps would go down as well, plus there would be major asset forfeiture. So, while it might not seem to be the best outcome, it could still be pretty sweet:

Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $25,000 and sentenced to 20 years in prison per racketeering count. In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of "racketeering activity."

"Sweet" only if the icing on the Treason Cake.

For seemingly long-range thinkers, the Republicans are so nakedly narrow. Anything to ensure an immediate victory. Surely they're sowing the seeds of their ultimate destruction. Make no mistake, they will continue to lose members and alienate the wider public.

Snack away!

Things are often much simpler than they seem.

Lindsey Graham is sucking Trump's cock because he enjoys it and because it makes him much more popular in South Carolina.

Howard Shultz is running for president to damage the Democratic candidate and protect the huge tax cut Trump and the Republicans gave him.

I love Ted Lieu! What a talented troll.

R418 and T420 Ted Lieu wins the internet today!

[quote]CNN's Jim Sciutto reports that Coats was asked about what was discussed between Trump and Putin in their private meetings -- and Coats replied that the topic was “clearly a sensitive issue”, best discussed in a closed setting later this afternoon.

The fact is, though, Dan Coats doesn't know fuck all what was discussed.

[quote]Christie seems to want to push the narrative that it’s all a big coincidence, that everyone who lied was just bad or stupid or both, and that their lies aren’t necessarily evidence of collusion.

They ran into Russia ten times!

[quote]Jeff Flake won't run for president, joins CBS News as a contributor

If he ever does commentary on Susan Collins's voting dilemmas, my head will explode.

[quote]It's weird that both Chris Christie and Donny Deutsch said today that it wasn't the Russia investigation that was going to be Trump's downfall, but the investigation out of New York state.

In New York, not out of it. If it were out of NY, it would be taking place in another state. :wink:

Sorry, I had to.

I agree with everything you said, though!

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote] So the judge ordered Stone to not discuss the case.

Good luck with that. LOL.

R338, only a troll accuses someone calling out trolls as a troll. Troll.

I thought Cohen was subpoenaed by the House oversight committee so the seating of Republicans on Intelligence doesn’t matter to that hearing.

This may seem like a stupid question, but if the FBI opened a counter intelligence investigation as to whether or not Trump was acting on behalf of Russia, wouldn't surveillance be a major component of their methodology? Is is possible that our intel, as well as foreign intel, (Five Eyes) would know exactly what he discussed and continues to discuss with Putin or whomever?

I would speculate that they do indeed know, R430.

How many times has it been that he's met privately with the midget?

Chris Cuomo had on, once again, former AG under G. W. Bush and Trump defender, Mike Makasey. He's very articulate and focused on the legalities and speaks quite dismissive of Trump being in legal peril.

Cuomo and CNN sure have been rendering Makasey much airtime over an extended period. Is Makasey the new Rudy Giuliani, but smarter, way more sophisticated legally, and way more focused without theatrics and trashy name-calling?

Any thoughts on this?

R432, , I can believe that Rudy is being replaced. I have not seen this Makasey. I wish he were being interviewed by someone other than Cuomo.

SOMEONE besides Russher has the audio of the Trumpito/Putin meetings. One of our Five Eyes partners, perhaps. Or Finland.

And I can imagine there's some backdoor communications going on between US intel (the non-crazy ones) and international intelligence agencies.

McConnell is pushing back on Trump's plan to remove our troops from Syria and Afghanistan. I hope the Republicans are scheming to get rid of Trump.

I've seen several articles that the GOP delegation in the House and Senate have tacitly given word to the fat fuck that they will not oppose an Emergency EO for the wall.

Mario warned them of a precedent for future actions around climate change, but they ignored him. I hope this comes around and bites them in the ass.

I also wonder if Roberts will have the balls to shut this shit down when it reaches the USSC.

If McConnell manages to pit Trump against Putin, then no more wall.

R428

Am I naive to have so much faith in Judge Roberts?

I think Putin is ratfucking the hell out of us and his reach extends well beyond the Trump gang. It wasn't Trump who caused the shutdown, it was Mitch McConnell blocking the Senate from even considering a budget bill. It was as if he knew that if he allowed a bill to go to Trump's desk he'd sign it and he'd been given orders to make sure that couldn't happen. If everything I've read about Mitch on DL over the years is true, Vlad must have plenty of kompromat on his closeted ass.

Mitch and the Senate Republicans were completely at fault for the shut down...I hope some Republican voters can figure that out.

Roberts is working for the wealthy corporations...if he accidentally does something good, he deserves no credit.

[quote]. It wasn't Trump who caused the shutdown, it was Mitch McConnell blocking the Senate from even considering a budget bill. It was as if he knew that if he allowed a bill to go to Trump's desk he'd sign it and he'd been given orders to make sure that couldn't happen.

And yet didn't Dotard just say this morning that unless the Bipartisan efforts talk about a wall they shouldn't bother because he won't sign it?

Going against the IC, Dump ordered troops out of Syria on 12/19.

Yet because of all of the Dotard's fuckery over the wall/shutdown, he's only being rebuked by McTurtle now. Infuriating!

There's nothing more trollish than a troll calling someone a troll who is calling out a troll for calling other trolls!

Intelligence officials had the temerity to tell the truth before the Senate yesterday so Trump is trashing them this morning:

The Intelligence people seem to be extremely passive and naive when it comes to the dangers of Iran. They are wrong! When I became President Iran was making trouble all over the Middle East, and beyond. Since ending the terrible Iran Nuclear Deal, they are MUCH different, but....

....a source of potential danger and conflict. They are testing Rockets (last week) and more, and are coming very close to the edge. There economy is now crashing, which is the only thing holding them back. Be careful of Iran. Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!

R446 Rump's malignant narcissism has pissed off the entire IC in an unprecedented number of ways. How I hope upon hope that they will teach him a hard lesson!

I mean, if you were a Secret Service agent, would you want to protect him?

I'd protect him all the way to the scaffold.

If DJT receives 4 more years after his current term ends, there will be an authoritarian model of governance fully run by a corporate oligarchy. Pay close attention to what the Koch Bros and cohorts are doing. They are the puppet masters with the very low-taxed billions, doing a lot of tax deductable contributions. The environment will be ruined except for their yacht clubs, golf facilities (already environmentally altered), alpine lodges, and coastal mansions.

No way is the Republican Party going to win this fight. First, Putin set them up (I don't think he has any interest in backing them through back channels like the NRA anymore same with the hacking) , second other countries will leak their own intelligence findings to the world and there are more than enough US citizens who trust foreign press and foreign intelligence over what Trump twitters or Sarah Sanders insists at so called official press briefings and Third, there is enough resistance growing to go against Trump and his associates which will go rogue if the Dems don't deliver (which they do at the moment).

Yup. Pretty soon the Military will turn against him.

r439 Yes, you are naive to trust Roberts. He has given no reason to trust him to this point. He is part of the corruption and I don't see anything to change that. What did he expect with CU ruling? Exactly.

A lot of Americans are stupid but I just can't believe there are enough dummies to re elect Trump. I really think he will resign before 2020.

Kellyanne Conway presents two big gapping holes.

Her husband's increasing sharpeness in criticizing DJT. And her obsession to spin terms such as "the Wall" while deflecting past the real objections. Same ole...

^sharpness

The idea of Trump and his children forfeiting their assets is so exciting. I can't decide if that would be better or worse than demolishing Trump Tower.

I get super hard just thinking about asset forfeiture. Jared, Ivanka, Eric, Junior Mint shopping the 99 Cent stores...... using coupons.

They let people in jail shop at the dollar stores?

Just now watching Schultz on the View (off work today). I fucking hate clowns like him. He is huge in the bothsiderism. He has the fucking nerve to say the Dems are equally to blame for not compromising and the shutdown as repugs and Pres Bone Spurs.

When you blame both sides NO ONE is held accountable. Ever. It is why we are in the place we are. Dems have compromised, some say too much, on many issues. It is the other party who we could all list egregious examples of not only not compromising but out and out horrendous behavior such as the Garland SC nom.

Schultz is seemingly very liberal and is (was ) a Democrat. He is now apoplectic, it seems, and turning on the left now that the left is even considering taxing him at levels where he would go from insanely wealthy to outlandishly wealthy should make everyone puke and very concerned.

Both sides aren't broke. ONE side is and it will NEVER be held accountable or change their ways with the likes of Schultz and his ilk.

that fucking bitch

Both sides are broken when it comes to big business money, so he fits right in.

We need to change campaign finance laws!!! Let the tax payers fund campaigns so they answer to us.

The whole government system needs an enema. Get rid of the 1%'s control of the government through means like campaign donations and the corprorate lobby system. And punch any senator in the face who mentions God and Christian values.

Is Trump fucking Kellyanne? Because I can not figure why he keeps her on.

Which would feed into Kellyanne's "No, I'm undermining/against it all -- hatefucking counts, right?" delusion.

[quote]We need to change campaign finance laws!!! Let the tax payers fund campaigns so they answer to us.

AMEN! This is step number one. Take all private money (dark or otherwise) out of the equation and politicians will have no choice but to do serve the public's needs. And, what's more, we'll actually attract the right people into politics; people who want to serve the public, not power-hungry, money-grubbing whores. Until serious campaign finance regulations are put into effect, nothing will change. Nothing..

Why some smart candidate hasn't made this an issue, I'll never know. Come on, Kamala; put it out there.

Remember the Citizens United decision? Allowing businesses unlimited contributions to political campaigns. There are often ways at passing a law to invalidate the decision without a full-fledged Constitutional Amendment. I wish the best and brightest were working on this.

Oh, I know of no means of making sure those corporations aren’t foreign-owned and controlled.

Bears repeating that a member of Trump's transition team was announced as a new board member of a company owned by Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska as soon as the Treasury Department lifted sanctions on Deripaska's companies.

Amen to campaign reform!

Washington's politicians and lobbyists are ***extremely*** wealthy,1% (and even .01%) and enjoy healthcare benefits and retirement plans the likes of which we plebians will never know.

Why do billionaires running for office think they can fix this? Have we learned nothing?

McTurtle is the kind of guy that could make me get behind a public stoning .

McTurtle will go down in history as the man who destroyed the balance of powers in our Constitution. I'll take your public stoning, R470, and raise you an outright ban on the GOP/traitor party.

I know AOC takes alot of hits here on DL and triggers many, but damn, the bitch knows how to troll. She pulled the testicles off a wingnut congress critter in just a few short sentences today.

Good for her!

Thanks R472. Begs the question why longer-term Democrats have no idea how to do it.

[quote] She pulled the testicles off a wingnut congress critter

Pics please.

I sort of love how that looks Family Circus.

R478 = Barfy

I would like a good, old-fashioned hang-draw-quartering, with Cheeto's body parts sent to all his collaborators to let them know that "they're next".

Can we have another indictment this Friday, please?

Who's the fat guy arguing for Schultz on Nicolle Wallace's show?

What an idiot.

Steve Schmidt on Nicole's show right now, trying to explain Howard Schultz. Nothing but weasel words. Man this guy is a mess. He's now dead to me

Indictments for Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Rudy Giuliani by Friday, please.

R483, is he being paid?

What a typical .... "everything's broken and he can fix it."

Fat bastard whoring himself out to Schultz. Sad.

Is Wallace buying it, those of you watching?

"My take: The chances that Schultz will affect the outcome seem small. But they’re not nothing. And because the stakes — the potential of a second Trump term — are so large, I think it’s irresponsible and self-centered of him to run as an independent. He should run for one of the party’s nominations. “Given the strong pull of partisanship and the realities of the Electoral College system, there is no way an independent can win,” Michael Bloomberg, the former New York mayor who considered an independent run in 2016, said yesterday.

"If Schultz does run as an independent, Neera Tanden of the Center for American Progress called for a boycott of Starbucks. Schultz still owns a large stake in the company."

I dont think she's buying it, but she's not being loud about it

R487, she's not buying it at all.

Thanks!

Steve Schmidt is dead to me, again!

He's such a moron. He think that Kamala Harris saying "Let's get rid of the insurance companies" in reference to Medicare for all means actually getting rid of them — as opposed to trying to anchor the discussion further left.

Medicare for all is how we'll get the public option.

I love the African-American guy's take on Schultz.

Schmidt needs a big fat Bye Felicia

Matt Miller's calling out the false equivalence of "both parties are broken" and "the system is broken." Love it.

What’s wrong with Schultz?

I don’t dislike candidates because everyone told me so.

There is a bandwagon effect of hating this guy.

He is everything that you know who claimed to be, as far as business.

But I’ve noticed the masses (aka monkey see monkey do set) just laying it on this guy. They don’t even know who he is lol.

The fucker should shut up, the goddamn Republicans are broken. Democrats are fine.

Nice try, R497. The argument is mainly that Schultz hasn't bothered trying to engage with the Democratic party in dialogue about what's agitating him most of all — progressive redistribution.

Instead, he runs as an independent candidate — when no president has won running as an independent in modern history — because he can't stand the idea of competing in a primary.

Also, be careful of right-wing campaigns to kill candidates in their cradle.

Remember, anybody who is not republican is better than them. Don’t get tricked or fooled between now and 2020. Don’t jump on bandwagons in a mindless fashion.

If you don’t like Schultz for your own reasons, that’s different. Don’t be so gullible, though. When asked why people don’t like him, the answers lead me to believe they have no clue who this guy is.

Additionally, there is a fake outrage going on about him and it seems AstroTurfish. Like someone is pushing an agenda instead of disliking a candidate.

R497, it'd be fine if he ran as a Democrat, and engaged in the Democratic primary. But the third party thing could be disastrous.

[quote] In a phone conversation Monday evening, however, Schmidt said he was puzzled by the “panic” in response to Schultz’s exploratory run announcement—22 months before the election. Let’s see how things play out, Schmidt says, noting that Democrats could nominate a candidate who is unelectable.

Such a delusional, entitled, oblivious thing to do. "What's with the panic?" Yeah, you're a straight white male with lots of money. You don't see the panic.

R497, if he ran as a Democrat, no one would have a problem with that. You don't see that?

We'll have Russian trolls advocating for Schultz VERY soon.

“agitating him most of all — progressive redistribution.”

This is what I mean. This is your reason for disliking a candidate? What does that even mean? Where is the meat to this perceived shortcoming? It makes no sense.

This is a huge example of going along with something because someone else said it. When you don’t even know what you are repeating.

Think for yourself and make decisions based on information that you can hang your hat on.

R500 You act like it would be a great lost. Someone who has never served in any public office wants to buy his way into national politics. Pass. Don't blame the naysayers for calling a wolf in sheep clothing.

No candidate should anchor themselves to any position until it is fleshed out completely especially a huge policy such as Medicare For All which can scare many if the candidate cannot fully explain it and how it would come about. I am ALL for Universal Health Care but it is such a huge issue we need to pump the brakes until fleshed out. As you see, it has already gotten the right wings propaganda going and even scared some pretty leftish Dems like Schultz (that fucking asshole).

Why is it when the Dems have a huge idea, even some left leaning Dems freak out and, instead of jumping in and debating the idea and feasibility, they are quick to jump ship?

No Third party option. We aren't made for Third party options. It will only result in Pres Bone Spurs and his reelection.

R504, you're not seeing it. How dense are you?

No one has a problem with him advocating less progressive policies. But do it within the party — there are still plenty of moderate Dems who are more fiscally conservative. Do it in the party so Trump isn't reelected.

The issue is NOT that he's not progressive. The issue is he'd run as an independent.

I don't want Medicare for all, but I want the public option. I'd totally be up for a candidate advocating for the public option vs. Medicare for all.

SO DENSE.

R506, no one is anchoring his/her own position, dummy. They're trying to change the frame of the discussion, so it's not crazy when someone advocates for another move towards public health care.

I understand what you are saying r507, what I am saying is that is not the reason given. They say it’s because he’s trying to buy an election, because he’s a billionaire etc., the unsupported redistribution claim ...that’s the bandwagon effect that is out of control with social media.

If you have your own personal reasons for disliking a candidate or strategy then I am not talking to you.

So oblivious.

r508 calling someone dummy for stating the obvious? How mature. Coming out and saying you are for MFA is anchoring yourself to it. Have a fully fleshed out policy before declaring you are for it. Framing the debate would be to say MFA is an option.

Someone should just lay it out plan and simple to these "self-made" men, running a country is not the same as running a company! You business experience and success mean squat. Exhibit A: Orange Turd!

I wish he'd debate Warren The Socialist. She'd mop the floor with him.

No one is anchoring anything at this point. Harris saying "get rid of private health care" isn't anchoring because it's too early in the cycle. She's putting out feelers, examining the reaction.

Republicans won in 2010 with "eliminate Obamacare." They had no plan, gave no specifics regarding a replacement. We need to win. Unlike the GOP in 2010 and 2016-2018, we have think tanks working on options for MFA, some of which don't eliminate private health insurance companies (public option, etc.), and other options for health care reform.

MFA broadly will help Dems win. The more they get into the details, the more problematic it'll become. Right now it's a winner.

Mueller now says that evidence obtained through discovery for Concord Management has been altered and used in a disinformation campaign by Russia....

Schmidt thought he was going to trot out Schultz His new INDEPENDENT party (aka socially liberal but not fiscally) candidate to open democrat arms and a ticker tape parade. Maybe he should trot him out to Fox News because Dems are not buying this one from the chatter I have been hearing. I would prefer Bloomberg to Schultz if I have to pick a billionaire.

Nicole and Steve Schmidt are tight but she seemed to be pretty skeptical, or else she is a great actress.

WHOA WHOa whoa

I’m guessing that, if we get a Dem President in 2020, we’ll experience the coldest of cold wars thereafter.

It’s a little scary to think that Putin might think it better to take a gamble on military adventures before Trump leaves office, since Trump won’t know how to respond. I suppose if Putin occupies the Baltics and Ukraine, and claims that they were sponsoring terrorism, that Trump will do nothing in response.

Putin could invade Peoria and Trump would do nothing in response.

I hate Trump that he is letting Russia destroy this country. It won't happen, but Trump and his corrupt family and cronies need to be punished severely. This is treason.

Donomir Trumpin

R517 So that was the big secret Russian trolling company (Concord) that got the Courthouse shut down and we were all trying to guess the company. The Russians hacked the American law firm representing them and released 1,000 Mueller documents. Just unreal!

My issues with Schultz (some of which have been mentioned by previous posters):

Based on our collective experience with Trump and, being a NYer, the experience with Bloomberg as mayor, it's not a good idea for a billionaire CEO to be President. These people are used to getting their way all the time, have all subordinates defer to them, and enrich themselves any way possible. The idea of equal branches of governance is foreign to their management DNA. And they are interested primarily in their own personal gain at the expense of most everything else.

When it comes to benefits for middle and lower classes, these corporate elitists talk a good game sometimes, but they're cheap as hell when it comes down to actually implementing worthwhile policy.

As a wealthy man, I'm sure that Schultz wants to maintain that big tax cut which the GOP ushered in and which he and his fellow 1%ers do not deserve. Should the Democrats try to reverse that cut, he would fight it tooth and nail.

Some in NYC still love Bloomberg, but many of the biggest challenges he faced (the homeless, union contracts), he just kicked down the road and avoided so that his successor could clean up the mess.

R522, how are these NOT acts of war?!

r522....NO....this is something completely different. The case youre referring to is being reviewed by the Supreme Court to see if they want to get involved.

What makes you think they were hacked?

Like Yevgeny Prigozhin would not make it readily available?

Concord Management was one of the corporations indicted when Mueller indicted all those Russians that were involved in the troll farms.

Bloomberg had some very serious faults like his reliance on stop and frisk, but he was an effective, competent mayor in many other areas such, as the unglamorous but desperately needed rezoning of nyc. And I certainly wouldn’t call him cheap.

I think it is a little unfair to lump him together with someone like Schultz .

[quote] R524: how are these NOT acts of war?!

I think they are. The US needs to wise-up. This is a new way to wage war. Imagine if the Russians could order the electrical generators in the Northeast to spin wildly until they break, causing a loss of the entire power grid, in the middle of this polar vortex. Millions could die without heat.

So, the US needs to prepare for this possibility. Also, for securing our private banks and investment firms. And recognize that it’s a multi-polar world now. If we are not prepared, we will lose.

I’m afraid Putin will go too far and require a US military response, that quickly goes out of control.

R526. I'm not so sure about the hacking now. The Bloomberg article I read said the law firm was hacked. But the Guardian article says Mueller said it wasn't a hack but a leak.

WHAT THe fuck, that Guardian article - Putin has the audacity not only to fucking hack our election, but now to directly hack the investigation and steal 10,000 documents from Mueller and post them ONLINE.

Supposedly this is a disinformation campaign ...just saw on Ari. The Russians have not hacked mueller but they want us to think they did.

R531 he does these things to let you know he can.

As I read it the Mueller investigation shared confidential records with someone and that someone either got hacked or leaked the confidential records with someone from Russia.

I think Mueller set them up knowing God damned well they would leak the non-sensitive documents.

[quote]Mueller disclosed the leak in a filing as part of his prosecution of Concord Management and Consulting, a Russian company that allegedly funded hacking operations by Russia’s notorious Internet Research Agency (IRA).

[bold]The filing argued that attorneys for Concord should not be given access to “sensitive” evidence gathered by Mueller’s team for the case.[/bold]

It said: “The person who created the webpage used their knowledge of the [bold]non-sensitive[/bold] discovery to make it appear as though the irrelevant files contained on the webpage were the sum total evidence of ‘IRA and Russian collusion’ gathered by law enforcement in this matter in an apparent effort to discredit the investigation.”

Sorry, leaked the confidential records (or documents) TO someone frome Russia.

From the fucking Guardian, not a hoax:

Russians leaked Mueller investigation evidence online, prosecutors say More than 1,000 files shared confidentially appeared to have been uploaded to a filesharing site, according to court documents

Evidence gathered by Robert Mueller, the special counsel, was obtained by Russians and leaked online in an attempt to discredit his inquiry into Moscow’s interference in US politics, prosecutors said on Wednesday.

A court filing by Mueller’s office said more than 1,000 files that it shared confidentially with attorneys for indicted Russian hackers later appeared to have been uploaded to a filesharing site and promoted by a Twitter account.

“We’ve got access to the Special Counsel Mueller’s probe database as we hacked Russian server with info from the Russian troll case,” a tweet from the account said. “You can view all the files Mueller had about the IRA and Russian collusion. Enjoy the reading!”

The tweet was posted in October last year by the account @HackingRedstone, according to the filing. A reporter was also offered leaked material via a direct message the same day. The account has since been removed from Twitter. Mueller’s court filing on Wednesday said the names and structure of folders containing the leaked files matched those used by Mueller’s office when it shared the data, and that these had not been made public.

The prosecutors said the filesharing site had confirmed to the FBI that the account which posted the material was registered from an IP address – an identifier for devices connected to the internet – in Russia.

Mystery foreign-owned company fighting the grand jury subpoena is represented by Alston & Bird.

Hold me David, I'm -- pissed the fuck off.

How many politicians have said they are going to Washington DC and have the parties work together and get something done? Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Obama, etc., all said such. Whether Republican, Democratic, or Independent, successfully elected or not, many have claimed they would fix Washington. Even Trump, with his drain the swamp bullshit, did such. Trump made it even worse.

Shultz needs to explain how he will do it, particularly having neither political party backing him in trying to reach out to the other. He's going to get Mitch McConnell to be cooperative across the aisle? He's going to keep lobbyists from interfering? He's to keep Sheldon Adelson, Rebecca Mercer, and the Koch Bros from buying influence? How many centrists have been burned trying to work with the other side? Maybe Miss Lindsey will fancy Shultz, but that's another story.

Shultz, if miraculously elected, could end up being a wonderful, quick-learnong President. But he had no executive or legislative experience in government. Assessing his corporate CEO methodolgy may offer limited clues, but that isn't government, and much of it doesn't require personal allegiance.

If he went through a primary process, that would yield better information.

But Trump went through primaries and debates, and we see how that has ended.

quick-learning^

I still don’t understand what specifically people feel is so wrong with government.

I once say a cub reporter who was interviewing some protesting Deplorables in DC. He asked one why she was there. “Because Obama has taken away our riiiiites”. To the reporter’s credit, he asked “what rights?” She hesitated, then responded with “free speech”. Meanwhile, they were all out protesting in public, and speaking to reporters - all exercises in free speech.

I think it’s mostly like that, when people say the “gov’munt ain’t working”, they really don’t know why.

It's because people are idiots. It's that old "one man vs. a big force" bullshit.

Miss Lindsey is fuming over the way the F B I arrested Roger Stone.

Good grief, why is this not surprising.

So we now know the Russian/Conservative line for 2020- both sides are broken. Govt isn't working. Another mess will be created (probably multiple shutdowns), the media will entertain the "both sides are to blame" drama. The "middle", mainly rich and disaffected mainstream repugs, will cluck cluck cluck this line as well. All of this will end up reelecting Pres Bone Spurs if we let them get away with it. So obvious.

I think when people say government isn't working, they mean it isn't working for the majority of Americans. That is true. But, the reason it's not working for the majority of Americans is the fucking Repugs spending decades handing the government over to the rich and obstructing everything else.

[quote]As a wealthy man, I'm sure that Schultz wants to maintain that big tax cut which the GOP ushered in...

Have any of the intrepid reporters that he's talked to been smart enough to actually ask him about this?

R545, I agree. The House is going to pass legislation, which the Senate of course will reject, and the media will say that shows how the "system is broken" (when in fact that's how it was designed, more or less) and "both sides" are to blame.

The trolls will run with "vote independent because the system is broken" and gullible "independent voters" (i.e., low information voters who love feeling constantly catered to and worried over by the parties) will refuse to vote ("giant douche vs. turd sandwich bullshit" from the white boy tear-it-all-down libertarians and South Park, etc.) or vote Schultz, Green Party, etc.

I hope the media don't fall for it again (moral equivalence, etc.).

Terribly obvious.

One has to wonder if the orange cyclops has seen the inside of Miss thang's budoir the way she is carrying on.

[quote] think it’s mostly like that, when people say the “gov’munt ain’t working”, they really don’t know why.

[quote] I think when people say government isn't working, they mean it isn't working for the majority of Americans. That is true. But, the reason it's not working for the majority of Americans is the fucking Repugs spending decades handing the government over to the rich and obstructing everything else.

The reason they believe it's not working is because the rich hired pundits to tell them it's broken and present them with scapegoats like Muslims, illegal immigrants, skanky women who use abortion as birth control measure, etc. to deflect attention from the rich being the real reason why the US is broken. And the masses buy the pundits' lies and bullshit and leave the 1% alone to get richer and richer.

Jill Stein is losing her fucking mind on CNN, yelling, waving her arms around, and--I swear to Cher--waving around printouts of Facebook Jesus ads.

Fox adds tremendously to the false narratives these morons believe. From Lou Dobbs, to Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, and that fucking lunatic, Jeanine Pirro.

The government works just fine for most people. Most people don't need to come in direct contact with it all that often. Things get done around town, roads get fixed, beach gets cleaned up, it seems fine. I don't have children so while I support better education, it's not in my house.

It really doesn't work for poor people. People who need help from government. They are the ones getting screwed.

Roger Stone last May called Lindsey Graham all kinds of nasty names on air, i.e. fish-faced, scum, "blight on the face of the Earth", "makes me want to puke", etc.

My, my, how the DJT-Russher saga has generated new, entangled alliances.

Schultz is another smoke screen people. The Russian Troll farms are glad to make this an issue to get your mind off the corruption and coming indictments for Trump and his team. Ignore it. It's quite meaningless that some Starbucks CEO may run for President. After our last "businessman" President, no one will vote for this guy. Keep your eyes on the ball instead of sideshows like Schultz, AOC, even Kamala Harris.

r554, that's all Real Housewives of Washington scripted drama for the public's benefit (aka distraction).

People need their wits to not get distracted. More than ever.

Hold up, someone let Jill Stein, obvious Putin asset, on TV? And she can speak with his dick in her mouth?

I bet some suspects of the Mueller investigation pretend to be enemies now to look convincing when they feed lies to Mueller and - hopefully - Mueller saw right through them.

Now now don't be like that. Jill has her marching orders from Daddy Put Put too you know. Don't fault her for doing her job!

Jill just wants to be useful for once.

R561 sure she does.

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out:

Yes, this one is a little earlier than normal but I'm sick as a dog and I'm going to bed.

Someone please link the new thread once this one gets closer to maxing out.

Feel better, OP. And thank you!

The media needs to ignore Schultz and not give him traction like they did for Trump.

Per Rachel Maddow, NBC/Ken Dilainian is reporting that the Rethugs finally seated their members in the House Intel committee. Rachel wondered why the two-week delay since the membership is pretty much the same. Her implication was, I think, that the Rethugs sought to delay releasing their transcripts incl witness testimony to Mueller aka possible proof of lying to Congress to prevent Mueller from using it, in case he really was completing the investigation. The stalling may be related to that weird pronouncement by the illegitimate AG that the Russia investigation is rounding up.

Hopefully, Mueller isn't in the least bit done and will use the transcripts and whack Junior et al. with hefty indictments.

R566 of course they did. They all need to be charged with obstruction.

Thanks, OP, feel better!

Did anyone here that McTurtle wants to introduce a bill that would eliminate the Estate tax?

He's such a fucking weasel.

Sure, because Dotard can totally be educated.

And speaking of the NRA what is going on with Maria Butina?

Just found this on Butina.

[quote] R569: Did anyone here that McTurtle wants to introduce a bill that would eliminate the Estate tax?

I believe it was already abolished in the tax cut they passed the year before last.

Oh, okay, thanks R575. I just heard them talking about it on the radio so I thought it was a new thing.

Now I’m not so sure, r577. Wikipedia says the tax kicks in for estates that are about $11 million or more. So, I can’t say.

I really need them to indict someone on Friday.

Please let it be Jr. Please let it be Jr.

Not only do they need to indict someone every Friday they also need to make sure there are camera crews there too. I need to see Jr. Mint and Ivanka do the walk.

Someone should suggest to Dotard that Indictment Fridays would totally make the best show ever and he'd have the highest ratings EVER!!!

Yeah in this order: Jr Mint, Eric, Nunes, Ryan, McTurtle, Kushner, Ivanka, Pence, Bone Spurs.

Please let me know if I've left anyone out.

You mustn't forget Chaffetz.

Oh and Bannon, Miller, and Conway.

What did Mother know and when? Certainly Pence briefs her, right?

I also forgot Le Senatrice.

This thread is slow. Either everyone is in the other thread of it's lockdown time.

Mercers, Prince, & Nunes.

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