Nichol Olsen: murder-suicide investigation Part 3

I don't think NO's mom was black. I think she was black/hispanic.

You're all a bunch of freaks.

Previous thread.

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[i]This isn't the real reason people tend to choose mates from their own social background. In the end, most people pair off with partners who are most like them, with the same type of upbringing, cultural background and values. These unions tend to be the most stable and long lasting as well.[/i]

Yes, that too. It's easier to find someone like that amongst their peer group, which is often within their parents social circle.

My parents had an extremely happy marriage of over 50 years, and my parents came from very “wealth-disparate” backgrounds and different religions (Mom was beautiful, smart and old money; Dad was handsome, smart, hardworking, from a poor background who put himself through college). I feel very lucky to have had them as parents.

Nichol is a killer.

MG is probably like my ex. Tough guy bartender with a love for a certain image but sweet and upstanding. I’d trust him with my life.

Or he could be a scumbag. But he might not be.

Nichol have been living off men since day one. I highly doubted she was able to afford renting a house in a nice area with 3 kids all by herself. She certainly was not living the life she had with CW. She’s a hairdresser for fucks sake. I saw her professional ig and she’s not a good hairdresser. The photos showed tacky hair extensions.

Wheeler family is from America's richest county. BF has the top criminal defense attorney in the area. No, I am NOT saying wealth = absolution but it's interesting he would employ such a high caliber legal team. Yes he has 3 attorneys. Rich people really do live differently than you or me.

London spent most weekends with her aunt. Alexa did the same with her aunt. Both aunts lived locally and loved the sisters. They also both spoke very highly of Nichol. If anything bad were to happen to Nichol, necessitating a move on her part, her very lucky and beautiful daughters had alternate caregivers.

R9- as per her friend, she worked M-Th and then picked up her kids from school. How could she afford that house working a few hours a day, charging $60.00 per client? I assume she was working more -- although don't know for sure, -- before getting with Charlie, but still. There had to be other sources of income.

YOU ARE A RACIST PIG

[i]This isn't the real reason people tend to choose mates from their own social background. In the end, most people pair off with partners who are most like them, with the same type of upbringing, cultural background and values. These unions tend to be the most stable and long lasting as well.[/i]

Yes, that too. It's easier to find someone like that amongst their peer group, which is often within their parents social circle.

Amazing to me that gay folks who have been SO persecuted can be so vile & racist/classist

What was said that isn't true, R13? These are undisputed facts. The more you have in common with your mate, the more solid the partnership will be. Are you confused?

You're a total moron, R12/13. How is that racist? That is fact. People gravitate towards people who are more like themselves. That's true of every race. Furthermore, I assume you wouldn't know much about the higher classes, your ignorance is showing.

[quote]working a few hours a day, charging $60.00 per client?

And her cut was only $30 of that. The house gets 50%.

R530, Part 2, There must be paid shills and/or trolls on these threads. Why else would a poster dis the commentary by a NYPD detective and investigator of over 50 years? What are that posters' credentials? Here's the retired LE link to his YouTube channel. Again he accurately predicted FBI involvement and said BF would soon be arrested. Also said clear clues lead him to conclude pro hit man, my original theory.

^^Uh, because he has nothing to do with the case and is clearly a gossiping attention whore, just like all NO's "friends".

Well these threads have confirmed that a lot of DL posters are upper middle class. I used to think all the posters claiming to be earning over 6 figures were BSing but I guess not. Nothing wrong with that just interesting.

The NYPD detective is creepy.

R17- has been posting that bullshit everywhere, webslueths keeps deleting it is baseless. Davida is a legendary troll on the DL and not in a good way. She has been claiming for years that she has a personal relationship with George Clooney and he blacklisted her in Hollywood, ruining her career. She's obsessive.

Nichol wouldn’t be able to afford her lifestyle, house, bills and 3 kids with a hairdresser salary in SA. She wasn’t going to leave her rich, good looking bf. She was almost 40. Her prospects were not great.

The detective has such low views on YouTube. No wonder he’s trying to assert himself in this murder investigation.

R18, Retired NYPD detective and investigator in his 50 years handled many parallel cases with the FBI. His focus was determining which were murder - suicide vs murder for hire. Do you or any other keyboard warriors have more credentials? If you're going to dis an expert at least tell me your direct connection to this murder case.

Of course I'm waiting for the FBI conclusions. However I am expecting the arrest of the BF to occur very soon based in part on the expertise and past experience in many, many cases of this retired NYPD honored and awarded detective.

I also have a lot more info on the relationship between Nichol and her BF from communicating with the 2 girls' godmother and close friend of Nichol for over 15 years. She last spoke to Nichol the Wed night before the 3 murders. Don't know if I can post it here as it is 3rd hand info. I've encouraged the BFF to post on this site.

To those who questioned the length of time this investigation is taking, in many cases evidence would be sent to Quantico, VA for top expert evaluation. Also phone and electronic companies surprisingly don't consider the request for back records a top priority. Hence FBI involvement to try and speed up the process.

There's always the possibility that Nichol had learned damaging info about BF business dealings or personal life that could be seen as bothersome to the Wheeler family or to the BF. Or there's a chance a 3rd party wanted to really hurt BF due to his legitimate business operations. He did have investments, and potentially angry clients.

It's not impossible to consider a 3rd party desiring harm to either Nichol or BF lived nearby and thus had no trouble entering through the security system. Of course most security gates can be breached given the motivation and skill of the perp.

R16, seriously? So she was only making $15 dollars per cut? That's insane. If true, there is no way she could even support herself.

Oh, sorry I just reread what you wrote R16. Even $30.00 is ridiculously low.

R24 "I also have a lot more info on the relationship between Nichol and her BF"

Could you share just a little of what you know? Was she the one who wanted to leave him? Was he abusive?

This thread is like being in a lunatic asylum with all the jumping to conclusions. Maybe the Zodiac killer got out of the nursing home and did this! It looks just like something he would do....

R24 You can say anything you want here. Truth, lies, innuendo, gossip. It's great.

I hope NO’s looney friends will come and join this shit show with more lies and hearsay. I’m dying to hear more gossip about the trashy hairdresser.

R29, Wealthy men have been known to date pretty, sexy women of all ages because they want to control the relationship. Those of their same social class tend to be much less adoring and complimentary.

BF's puppy got in his trash can and created a mess. He tried to strangle the poor dog. Alexa's relatives got custody of the animal. There's a reason Alexa's father said that "he didn't think the BF offered a loving living situation for the girls. Note that he included Alexa's half-sister London in his statement to the media.

Multiple ex-girlfriends have reported on social media that this man was very violent at times. Most men who physically abuse their partners adhere to the same pattern. They verbally threaten them, then apologize and offer nice gifts, followed by more incidents of increased physical violence.

Specifically 1 woman said she had to hide in a closet as BF was chasing her around the room with a gun. Another woman said BF bashed her head into the car's dashboard while he was driving. That's just 2 examples of many.

Nichol is the one who wanted to leave. He had begged her to move in with him. Once there, she would temporarily move out when his temper exploded. Then he would give her an expensive present and she would go back to him.

BF did not appear to want to father Nichol's daughters. That was a bad sign. Luckily they both had nearby relatives, especially their aunts, who offered a lot of care.

Why the hell would a young, good looking millionaire be expected to father the children of this trashy BPD woman? She’s lucky she bagged him when she’s almost 40, 3 kids from 3 different fathers and a hairdresser.

I need police reports, photos of said abuse, signed statements from the essay anon.

R34 A young good looking millionaire? How about a hick hayseed Baptist god-fearing rodeo rider and fracker who had beaten or abused all the women he knew? How come he hadn't hooked up with somebody else? In Texas men are married by 25. Dream on. (If you think he was handsome, thank Nichol. She styled him. )

R34, BF knew he had a "package deal" when he started to date Nichol. Personally I refuse to date men with kids or grandchildren as it's always messy, even if supposedly they live elsewhere. So if BF knew Nichol had at least partial custody of 2 girls, and didn't want to fulfill an occasional parental role then he shouldn't have been dating her in the first place. Otherwise he's a jerk.

Thanks R29. That's the only scenario that makes sense.

Thanks r33. I understand that kind of dynamic well, unfortunately. Regardless of the outcome of the investigation I think it’s safe to say they had an unhealthy relationship and he wasn’t the angel some here are making him out to me. I had a partner like him and it made the hair stand up on the back of my neck reading your post because violence towards animals and violence in the car when I was strapped in and couldn’t escape were in his toolbox too.

R35, Most women don't report physical abuse if there are still any benefits to their relationship, or if they believe the promises that the jerk will change. They also fear admitting to their families and friends that they've made a mistake.

LE will simply tell a woman to move out. Abusive men choose emotionally dependent women, who were usually raised in homes where there was violence or who've somehow come to believe this is normal behavior.

LE wants physical evidence which they can photograph too. I once called LE on behalf of a neighbor who knocked on my door late one night, trying to get away from her very drunk physically abusive BF. Police said she had fair skin and no visible bruises so they couldn't do anything. Then they blamed ME for allowing her temporary entry to my home. Said I should have made her walk barefoot, in her nightgown, several blocks to a casino where there was a pay phone. Insulting.

Remember many religious leaders still counsel women to forgive their BF and to be more submissive, rather than to immediately leave, as the physical, emotional, and mental abuse will get much worse.

Uau! Thank you R33. I can see it clearly now.

Why would she put her daughters in this situation? It's even odd the went to stay with their aunt on the weekends. She's the mother. Something must have been very wrong with her. This is not normal of a mentally healthy person. Very sad.

R36, R38, R39, R41, Thank you for being brave enough to speak up against those who don't understand the dynamics of very abusive relationships. Frightening how a generous, supportive, very helpful man, who encourages dependency, can turn into a growing monster. No, I've never been physically hit. However I should have 86'd friends, both platonic and otherwise, a whole lot sooner. By the way platonic female friends can be equally emotionally and financially abusive.

Bottom line, a lot of initially appearing sane, intelligent, educated, professional people can turn on a dime. Some have screaming fits, perhaps in public. Others commit violent acts. Woe to those nearby.

"[R34] A young good looking millionaire? How about a hick hayseed Baptist god-fearing rodeo rider and fracker who had beaten or abused all the women he knew? How come he hadn't hooked up with somebody else? In Texas men are married by 25. Dream on. (If you think he was handsome, thank Nichol. She styled him. )"

R36 (above), Any specific incidents that you're able to share? Assume much more info will come out after BF is arrested.

He was a rageaholic douchebag. She killed her kids and herself.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

She was pissed at him because she spent almost two years putting up with his temper tantrums and rearranging her life to please him and he wanted her out. She wasn’t getting the ring she pinned on her Pinterest page. She wasnt getting another wedding. She was getting the brush-off again, and she wasn’t getting another big fish like Charlie Wheeler again.

What better way to get back at him? Leaving wasn’t going to hurt. What she did was the most excellent revenge possible. Actually, dragging him as a pedo might have been worse.

And this is not to let him off the hook. He’s probably half of what everyone claims. All those “friends” of hers liked his crap on social media.

R43 Im r39 and I was in an abusive relationship. It started out as emotional abuse and he slowly upped it so that I didn’t even recognise it as abuse at first. He became violent the first time in the car when I wanted to go home rather than stop for food. He beat my head against the passenger window. I was mortified, embarrassed and angry at myself for being so stupid as to miss the signs. Fast forward 3 months and he threatens to kill my dog and locked him outside in the rain. I left the next day. He was financially successful, well educated, out and active in the local LGBT centre so nobody but my closest friends believed me and the whispers behind my back were that I was pissed because I was a gold digger and thought I’d he kept by him. Sigh.

I am from a working class background but the men in my family are decent men and abuse was never tolerated. My family stood by me and were supportive and 100% backed my decision to leave. From the bits I’ve read about NO life it’s possible she didn’t have the same family foundations. If you are raised in a home where abuse is tolerated or you are told to keep quiet as long as he provides I think it’s understand that you would have issues and not be able to maintain a healthy relationship. Maybe it was just a case of two people both wish issues who never should have been together or maybe CW sought out women who would put up with abuse or maybe NO was stuck repeating childhood partterns and kept choosing bad men (like her father/step father). We’ll probably find out in due course. I’d like to think the people being vicious snobs are just fortunate enough to have no experience of abusive partners or of being dragged up in a broken home.

Should we start a Charlie Wheeler fan club--you know, to give him moral support and any comfort that he may need?

Date of internment for Nichol has not yet been set even though it's been about 14 days since she died. So a 2nd autopsy paid by the relatives/donors is still a possibility?

There's reported to be a picture online of Nichol with her son. Her social media has not been updated since August 2017. Photos of Nichol with her daughters could be on PRIVATE for safety and security reasons. I wouldn't want total strangers to think 3 beautiful woman lived together in a home, occasionally without a gun-owning male present.

We don't know if strangers had threatened Nichol or her daughters previously. Could be a reason she wanted to live with physically strong gun-using men.

Honestly I live alone in a gated condo. There's a 5 minute walk from my front door, down a private road, to the gate. Still I've been followed repeatedly by strange men, had neighbors knock on my door when drunk, been bothered repeatedly shopping in nice grocery stores. The world is now a very scary place. I'm buying a new condo and no way would I consider one without increased security. Wished I had a gun-using roommate once again.

R21, I have seen that name in a FB group. I steer clear.

R48 Where do you live? That’s insane. I know lots of single moms but I’ve never known one who was afraid of anyone knowing she lived alone. None of my single friends feel any need for a gun owning male either. I think they (and I) would consider a gun toting boyfriend a bigger threat than a stranger. If your city is that bad I think you need more than a condo, you need to move somewhere else. Life is too short to live with that sort of fear and paranoia. Until then get yourself a gun and training to use it, no need to wait for a gun owning male who is statistically more likely to harm you than anyone else.

Who let the NO fan club fraus in here? Unbelievable. There is zero evidence that this guy was an abuser. Just hearsay and gossip from a coffee klatch of dumber than dirt attention whores who pretended to know the victims.

All this was covered ad nauseam in the original thread. Go educate yourselves, ladies.

R48, there was a discussion about the cost of a private independent autopsy, and it’s about $5,000. Since the GoFundMe people have raised at least $60, 000, it seems like a wise use of a tenth of the funds. The GFM has “Searching for the Truth” in the goddamn title. If they don’t think it’s true that she killed her kids and herself, get a second opinion. THERE IS MONEY FOR IT.

They’re not going to. They might not get the answer they want.

R49, She's nuts and delusional. Totally making up stories. I think the loonies from that group followed her here. Ugh.

They don’t want answers. The GFM is to line their pockets. What horrible people to use the dead girls’ memory to con people.

Some fucking anon up thread invited the crazy squad here.

R51, Why are you so adamant in shutting down opposing opinions to your own? Do you own DL and that's why you're trying to obsessively control the narrative?

Thanks for giving DL a perfect example of a total control freak who can't tolerate dissent on an anonymous board or in his personal life. You're the exact type of person who'll physically abuse and even kill his partner.

[quote] A young good looking millionaire? How about a hick hayseed Baptist god-fearing rodeo rider and fracker who had beaten or abused all the women he knew?

Receipts?

I’d be a killer if my name is Nichol.

Hi Nichol filicide fan club! 👋🏼

[quote]Bottom line, a lot of initially appearing sane, intelligent, educated, professional people can turn on a dime. Some have screaming fits, perhaps in public. Others commit violent acts. Woe to those nearby.

And many more men are normal (not that you'd know any). They do none of those things. Stop projecting your own hysteria and life of full of constant trashy drama on this situation. You know nothing about CW.

R56, I am not R51, but I'll answer for them, because you all sound nuts and we've been over the same points through 2 very long threads. Go back to your Facebook group if you want an alternate opinion

If CW was so bad why was the glam squad entertaining this bad man?

[quote]Remember many religious leaders still counsel women to forgive their BF and to be more submissive, rather than to immediately leave, as the physical, emotional, and mental abuse will get much worse.

No religious leader was counseling this dumb woman. If anything a religious leader would be counseling CW to run for the hills.

The millionaire boyfriend pings...hard. Not sure what that means for the case though.

[quote]Do you own DL and that's why you're trying to obsessively control the narrative?

Yes, as a matter of fact I do. Please leave now. This will. be your only warning.

R21, Websleuths deleted exactly one of my posts (and many from by other members) because it was info not from an established media source. So they cannot consider any YouTube videos no matter how accurate the info, but WS does allow regular links to the Daily Mail and other paps.

NEVER have I said George Clooney blacklisted me. Quite the opposite. I sincerely appreciate all of the help and encouragement he's given me, and feel the same way towards the other famous celebs, directors, and cinematographers. However at this time I don't wish to live in Hollywood nor NY (see my post above re my security concerns) so my acting/comedy career cannot progress.

DL posters keep trying to derail this thread by bringing up not relevant topics. Why is that true?

[quote]Nichol is the one who wanted to leave. He had begged her to move in with him.

Oh my sides.

R60. Don't be ridiculous. Of course I know many normal, sane men who'd never hurt an animal. My BF of about 30 years is extremely kind. So is my BFF (a man) whose Naval Officer career involved handling physically aggressive conflicts when women were 1st brought onto Navy ships. No one but him wanted to deal with the inherent problems, especially with the temptations in the Philippines on R&R. I gravitate towards men, often who are gay, when in social situations as well.

I could go on and on about the angels who've rescued me in the past but again I don't want to participate with those who are desperately trying to derail this thread.

R60? "Life full of trashy drama?" Excuse me? I've never been married nor pregnant. I've also stated that I have never been physically abused in any way by a man or a woman.

R65, If you own DL, I'd like to see verifiable proof. Otherwise I must ask why do you feel so powerless and helpless in your own personal and professional life that you must come to DL and control the narrative? What's your problem? I'll make a bet you've physically abused your partners in the past, and that you also have serious rage issues.

R687, If you and other posters are convinced that BF is the paragon of virtue, and that he was the one that wanted Nichol to leave, then please show me documented evidence. Also WHERE are all of the posts from his ex-girlfriends championing him as a Christ-like being who supposedly rescues fallen angels?

Yes I would have said very kind things about my roommates' boyfriends in public. Privately I often told them the total opposite, to the extent that I thought that they would listen to me. That's what being supportive and having girlfriends means.

I'm sure most of the people reading these words have had break-ups with their partners. Now how many of you would write comments similar to the ones Nichol's friends are saying all over Social Media? How about the reverse situation, would your exes of either sex be saying you were violent towards them?

^Run along back to Tumbler honey.

R64, "The millionaire boyfriend pings...hard. Not sure what that means for the case though."

OK. We've got a "god-fearing Baptist" in a small Southern, TX town from a wealthy, socially established family. He hasn't been married, and hasn't fathered any children that has been acknowledged in the media, so far.

According to DL traditional thought processes, there's a good chance BF isn't 100% straight. Anyone have any more info? Clues he pings. . . hard?

Davida, why don't you just admit that you are lying and making up tons of stories about the boyfriend and talking to Nichol's aunt whom whoever the hell. You were caught in your lies in the last thread and you continue to spin tall tales here.

R74, It's your choice to believe me or to consider my posts inaccurate. Please post contradictory, documented evidence.

Many DL posters have appreciated the media articles and info on BF's business that I have posted. Some of the info is actually very supportive of him.

R75, You haven't backed up one thing you've said. All you have said is so and so posted that CW chased his ex with a gun, that so and so said that he attacked the family dog... that's all hearsay. I can say the earth is flat, it doesn't make it true. You never even linked to the posts. Not that I would believe what comes out of that Facebook page anyway.

Here's his house. It wouldn't have been hard to get into this community unseen

Btw, just to make another point. If he was so abusive, and the way he's being described is psychopathic, then why haven't her friends gone on record? They seem to have the press on speed dial. Why has no one said, I saw him being abusive, I've seen his temper, I've seen bruises, Nichol confided in me... something to give the allegations some merit. Why is everything dropping in anonymous, suspect SM posts? Her friends and exes are so insistent that Nichol didn't do it, yet eerily silent on record as to why they think CW was responsible.

R78, No official record to the paps because LE said not to do so, as it would hurt their future prosecution case against the BF. That's standard procedure.

Also even the Daily Mail would get sued if they printed anything slightly inflammatory, even if it's just here say or a statement from a friend.

R76, Be patient and wait for the trial to hear all of the evidence against the BF.

[quote]I can say the earth is flat, it doesn't make it true.

Who cares if the earth is flat: what about CW's ass? Flat or bubble butt?

Nichol has a big forehead. A sign of a killer.

R79, can you share a link where LE says that they can't talk?

Did the GFM organizers said what they’re using the money they’ve collected?

So, if CW hired a hitman, the theory would be the he manufactured a dispute with Nichol so that he could conveniently have an alibi by sleeping elsewhere that night. Then the hit happens - with the supposed suicide/murder scenario being the ultimate gaslighting.

Are the family and friends looking for the real killer in the same place OJ did ?

The family and friends are too busy counting the money they swindled from people giving eagerly to the GFM of NO and kids.

Any news about the killer mom?

It's not unheard of for a teenage daughter of a woman to end up in a sexual relationship with the woman's boyfriend.

If this were to have happened in this case, it would give Nichol sufficient motivation to kill the daughter involved, to kill herself, and to kill the other remaining daughter for the sake of completeness.

Nichol just went off and killed everyone at home that night. Hopefully we’ll find out the reason. Lucky for CW and the deplorable son and brother weren’t home.

Eh, R89, the mother was better looking than the daughter. Yup, R90, I think she would have taken out anyone that was there that night. CW, in particular, had a lucky escape.

[quote]Eh, [R89], the mother was better looking than the daughter

Huh? Did you really just say that? LOL. You sound very naive about men and what motivates them. First, no, Mom wasn't "better looking". The daughter was much more naturally pretty and also very young, which some creepy men prefer. In fact, CW may have chosen NO specifically to get at her kids. This was my first thought when the story broke, because they were such a mis-matched couple in every way.

Second, why do you assume woman's looks determine whether a man will stray?

R89, that is a possibility. A disgusting one, but yes. I don’t know why it hasn’t been brought up more often or sooner. As r92 points out, it’s not about who’s prettier. If he were raping one of the daughters (yes, it would be rape) - or even flirting with her - that would be a trigger for what she did.

And a perfect segue to ask again - are there any photos of her with her daughters? Nobody has been able to find one yet. So elusive.

Still no photos with the 2 daughters. She didn’t want the pretty, young girls to upstage her.

As for her income, remember in addition to her earnings she had three fathers over 22? years paying child support. She started young, from SM and family interviews, it appears the girls were brought with mucho family support. Which is great, they appeared to be lovely girls. They were provided for. With that said, conversely, the mother wasn’t a typical single mom. Had plenty of time to date, travel, and xtensiv social life, workout, plastic surgery..every weekend with relatives? No photos mom with kids, but lots glamour shots. She could have been nice person, but perhaps not very involved or mature mom.

Sometimes when teen has child, it becomes the family’s child. More of a group effort to parenting.

How many of you here who work have a million friends and SO, perfect appearance, fit, etc. it takes time! When you are a responsible working adult, precious little extra time. Family relationships, etc.. ...not a lot of time and energy to devote to making and maintaining friendships, being out on town, selfies SM etc. .

R36 CW was a LOT hotter before he started dating NO and grew that disgusting beard. That was her “styling” him? Gross.

The dad of the younger daughter was so supportive NO had to take him to court for money.

R98, I’m not buying Montez’s statements that she made good choices regarding the kids. He’s being... gracious. He was far away with his wife, his sister was filling in for him by having Alexa stay with her every weekend. NO had several writs of withholding on him. And I can’t imagine that he approved of the frequent moves and people she was living with.

Ugh. I’m not shitting on the guy. He was probably doing his best and I don’t doubt he loved his daughter (and even the younger sister). It was a bad situation, I don’t think he was bad.

And I know that this is probably neither here nor there, but it’s just an observation. NO seemed to like Latino men. Charlie is whitebread.

And he (from the limited things I’ve seen on SM) dated generic blondes. (“Former Baylor cheerleader”, as some DLer called it, comes to mind.)

Their pairing seems like a departure for both of them. Maybe they were trying to break their patterns? (But plus ça change...)

R98, yes, you’re right about London’s dad, too.

Those poor kids. I hope they were able to comfort each other. They did seem close.

In case you have to subscribe....this is what the article states....

A week after the creation of an online fundraising site that stated it wanted answers to the killings of Nichol Olsen and her daughters, donors are asking how the money is going to be used.

The ******** site, ‘Searching for the Truth,’ was created by Olsen’s friends on Jan. 17. It raised $55,000 in five days; it crossed $60,000 Wednesday.

‘There are countless unanswered questions and we, as well as many, are waiting for answers,’ wrote Susan Khalil and Nicole Baptiste, its creators. ‘Please help us in our mission to seek the truth.’

As of Thursday, the fundraiser’s creators had repeatedly declined to answer on the record how exactly the money will be used.

[SBM]

On Tuesday, Salazar announced the FBI would join the investigation and help analyze forensic evidence.

Khalil then posted an update to the fundraising campaign, which said that because of the FBI’s participation, she and Baptiste ‘MAY or MAY NOT need to allocate the funds under the premise in which they were raised.’

Khalil said in a phone interview Thursday that they are currently not content with the FBI's level of involvement and will continue to ‘search for the truth.’

‘The FBI is assisting in the investigation. They are not taking over,’ she said. ‘If anyone has a problem with money that they contributed, and they’re uncomfortable, I’m more than willing to give them back their money.’

The FBI’s involvement appears to have donors concerned over the use of the money.

‘The FBI is now involved. What specifically is the intended goal of $100,000 raised to be used for? Private investigators? That sum seems excessive, particularly when any private investigation could in no way match the resources and skills of the FBI,’ wrote an online commenter.

Several others, however, wrote that they assumed the money would be used to help with funeral expenses or education for her surviving son — and that they were OK with that.

Salazar said Thursday that no one connected to the ‘Searching for the Truth’ ******** site has been in contact with his office.

He doubts a second medical examiner’s report will come to a different conclusion or that a private investigator could uncover evidence the authorities don’t already have.

‘Look, some people are never going to be convinced,’ Salazar said. ‘You’ll never convince 100 percent of the people. I can’t worry about that. All we can do is go where the evidence takes us.’”

R102, thanks for that.

The GoFundMe is a big old scam, as are most fundraising events and foundations. I’m sure the criminal son is getting any money for his “education”, either.

Which reminds me... has anyone ever said where he attends “college”? I haven’t seen any mention.

R102 I think the tide has turned from NO "would never do this" to hmmm?....she might have?!! Give it another few days and more questions asked by the public. I think everyone is coming out of the fog and shock of the event bc quite frankly this community is tight knit and in the 5 years I've lived there nothing like this went down.

Why does anyone give anything to GoFundMe at all? People are idiots.

Found one.

Nichol and London.

The son was arrested in Oregon so he may have been there for school. I doubt a kid without a degree would move that far away for a job.

R102. R107 Son is said to be living and working for his father. FB post allude to him not being in school and that "left-over" funds be directed toward him in case he decides to attend college later.

To the people still saying he was molesting the daughter, I think it's safe to say that it would have been revealed in the autopsy. So time to give it A rest. Not evry man is pervert

R100, her son looks 100% white and was designated as such in his arrest descriptions, so I assume his father is white. Since then it seems like she's gone for latinos. I've only ever seen one pic of a Charlie ex and she sort of resembled NO.

In R102 it sounds like Salazar is backtracking big time. He's finally saying what many of us have since the ME report. A little too late now after all the misleading info he gave out. I think he knows he's going to be proven wrong. It sounded ridiculous when he was saying M-S, but not sure if it was Nichol's doing. The friends are just the most arrogant people ever! If they are "not satisfied with the FBI" (another indication that their efforts to pin it on Charlie are failing). Excuse me, but who the hell put them in charge? They are going to pocket the GFM money. Even if they gave to the son, which I doubt, why does a healthy 22 year old man require a GFM? This is the biggest shit show I've ever seen.

R108 The son is part Korean (women that spoke at the vigil said this) and his father James W Nobles II is half Korean. And it appears he is 41 which means he was 18/19 when NO got pregnant with Skylar which would explain why she was able to marry him at such a young age.

The son looks white? Put your glasses on, he looks part Asian/part Latino to me. I’ve never seen a white European with those features.

In mugshots he looks totally white to me and that's what race was put down both times. The Instagram pic was a little more ambiguous. He's still 50% white, 25% Korean and 25% Latino/black or whatever other race NO was.

R110 That also means that he committed sexual assault of a child under the laws of Texas (if she was 14 when she got pregnant and he was 18/19). Not relevant whatsoever to this investigation but I wonder if that’s why they got married—to keep him from being arrested.

Nichol’s life is sounding worse than we’ve heard so far. Far from what some people in here are trying to paint her. If the age of the first baby daddy is true she was a victim of statutory rape. The plot thickens.

I think it was evident from the beginning that a woman who had her first kid at 15 and was in an unhealthy, volatile relationship with the man she and her daughters lived with had issues with picking men. Likely also self esteem issues and poor examples growing up. It doesn’t scream murderer to me but if she wasn’t suspected of a M-S I’d still think she was a victim of a hard life. If it turns out that she’s guilty, there’s no excuses for what she did. However, her life isn’t one I’d want anyone to have to live. She had a lot of set backs from parents dying very young to failed relationships to a statutory rape and teen marriage to a jailbird son and still being in bad relationship at 37, almost 20 years since she married hubby #1.

You can tell at least one of BF's lawyers is expecting a major courtroom trial and at least 2 Civil lawsuits by the way he's handling the media. Carefully read everything that he says, and how he restricts BF's words & actions.

Also please read the following per Websters' Dictionary: " Legal Definition of person of interest: A person who is believed to be possibly involved in a crime but has not been charged or arrested."

Now you can understand exactly why BF's attorney strongly objected to the Sheriff's use of POI, and officially asked him to stop calling BF "POI." Of course the Sheriff refused the request.

Media article proving the above linked in my next post.

R116 How long does it take to post a link? Waiting...

Please carefully read between the lines re the exchange between the reporter and 1 of BF's criminal defense attorneys.

Don't know if it's the same attorney, although I suspect it is him, but his impressive employment history (Assistant DA) and work history (successfully and repeatedly defending the accused in capital murder cases) convinces me that he is the top dog in representing clients on trial in death penalty cases. Now WHY select such a high priced lawyer if one believes he's 100% innocent?

Also I find it interesting that BF's attorneys have arranged through their recently hired PR Team to keep Charlie Weaver's name OUT of all media. Even in the last CW multiple murder case initially he was referred to as the "grieving, devastated, still in shock husband (OK Charlie Weaver would be called BF) of the deceased. The last CW was always named in all media articles. Why isn't Charlie Weaver named?

R118, Weaver? You can't even get a basic fact correct. His surname is Wheeler.

R119, Apologies as I've been referring to him as "BF." Of course his name is Charlie (Charles?) Wheeler. However everything else I've said is 100% correct including the fact that he had THREE attorneys. One was an Asst DA for 12 years, and according to his resume specializes in CAPITAL MURDER DEFENSE CASES.

R119, Please explain to me why one of Mr. Wheeler's 3 attorneys is acting so very aggressively towards a San Antonio reporter who's only trying to do his job by letting the public hear a statement from the BF. Again have you ever heard of a case where a man not yet charged with any crime has such an attack dog so early on? If I were that San Antonio reporter I'd be searching for dirt on both the attorney and Charlie Wheeler in retaliation.

' high priced lawyer if one believes he's 100% innocent?"

Because of people like you, that's why!!!!!!!!! He's been thinly accused by her friends, her family, her ex and people like you all over the internet from day 1. Hell, even the Sheriff is implying wrong doing. Why the hell wouldn't he hire the brightest and the best attorneys money could buy? I'd employ 10 from the minute I walked in and found the bodies.

Don't be silly, R121. The truly innocent only hire a bumbling dunce attorneys.

R121, Sure, Charlie Wheeler is rich, and the super wealthy would automatically hire an attorney. That wasn't my question. WHY did he have to hire THREE lawyers? Why choose the most costly top CAPITAL MURDER DEFENSE lawyer in the entire area?

Also WHY keep Charlie Wheeler's name out of the media? Wouldn't a 100% innocent party want to be referred to as "the deeply grieving and in shock boyfriend?" By the way don't you think Wheeler should have immediately reached out to both girls' relatives? Also to her son? Why didn't he do so?

R122, You should know better than to make such an extremely silly statement.

The 100% innocent hire a competent attorney who's not the top tier, most expensive in the county. Many, many criminal defense attorneys between the incompetent ones and the #1 in the entire area. Or do you think all attorneys BF could possibly hire have served as Asst DA for 12 years?

R122, That's the equivalent of a director needing a day player for 1 line almost any competent actor could handle, but instead insisting on paying for the top wage earner in SAG-AFTRA who has a minimum weekly rate plus benes & expenses & luxury accommodations.

Was NO part Asian? Her eyes look slightly Asian to me in some pictures.

You are so thick, R123. Even after answering your dumb questions over and over, you continue to ask them over and over.

R121, You'd really hire 10 attorneys if you were 100% innocent? Name anyone in the history of the US legal system who's hired 10 different lawyers when not guilty of a murder. Would 10 different attorneys even agree to work with each other on the same exact case?

Even Mr. T. Cullen Davis (will have to double check if I've got the correct initial of his name, as otherwise certain DL posters won't believe anything else I write as valid) who was said to have bought his way out of jail, when he should have died in prison for murder didn't hire 10 different attorneys. Watch "TX Justice" on YouTube. It's the series on which Dallas was supposedly based.

R126, Those posters who have to resort to childish name-calling, instead of presenting sensible arguments, are the ones who are truly "thick." Please grow up before posting again. Thank you.

R125, Nichol was Black & Hispanic. I suspect that her heritage includes Mayan, Inca, or Aztec bloodlines by her appearance. Have you seen the 2 photos posted on the earlier thread of Nichol's mother? She was very pretty as a teen/young adult.

Nichols' father was White. I haven't seen any photos of him yet.

Something is seriously wrong with you, R128. You are beyond thick, you seem mentally slow. You keep repeating the same things over and over again. That's not going to make them fact. I'm still waiting for Charlie to be arrested, as per information. Scurry off to go 'search for truth' with Nichol's cronies.

FBI only got involved because the facts of the case indicate triple homicide. FBI agents are not fond of kid killers.

Arrest of BF in one week or so.

Here he is before he met Nichol. He's the second from the left

/ / this is the link. He was a lot younger back then

This must be an old girlfriend of his. He had a type

Maybe a passing resemblance R134, but I think Nichol was a lot prettier than that woman. TBH, I don't really find her all that attractive.

Btw, whoever said Nichol styled him, I doubt it. He looks fine in this pictures from a few years ago.

Evidently they dated from at least 2012 to 2015. Then there are no more pics of him and about a year later there are pictures of her with an older guy (probably 10 yrs older) and she's pregnant

Here's his Facebook page. He hasn't posted since 2014

R120 You might be the dumbest person who has ever posted on any public forum, ever. I am dumber for having read your posts. YOU are the reason that CW has hired attorneys. Dumb ass, ignorant ppl making completely unfounded accusations and absurd “observations” are why. And why hire the best and multiple? BECAUSE HE CAN, YOU HALF-WIT!!! You should go lock yourself in a closet and think about how stupid you are. Good God.

R137 there are posts since 2014 (I’m friends with him). What’s your point?

R131 Was that supposed to be some kind of “mic drop”? You have no clue when/why the FBI gets involved. Dumb dumb dumb.

That's been posted numerous times, R137. I'm sure he posted more, but unless you are FB friends with him you can only see profile pics and things he's made public.

R137 doesn't understand how Facebook privacy settings work.

R132, R133, Wow. I have never seen 2 unrelated 100% straight young men pose in that manner. See previous comment from another poster.

R134, Always suspect when rich men pick a certain type or women as to what he's really trying to prove. See Jeff Bezos most recent GF.

R140 soon you will be eating crow, cretin.

R140 Go pocket some more GFM money and post some more slanderous FB comments. But get some sleep bc I know you have a full Saturday of dye-jobs to handle tomorrow!

R144 This was meant for you: Go pocket some more GFM money and post some more slanderous FB comments. But get some sleep bc I know you have a full Saturday of dye-jobs to handle tomorrow!

What do we think about the livelihood of CW suing some of NO’s friends for defamation? It’s not the easiest tort to prove but it gets easier for him bc in TX it’s “per se” defamation to accuse someone of a crime. None of them have any money (nor does he need it), so if it happens it will be to make a point more than anything. I personally hope he unleashes the dogs on them and completely bankrupts them by forcing them to defend themselves. Even if he never sees a dime. Social media is still relatively new in the big scheme of things, and people need to recognize that, even though you’re behind a computer screen, there are still consequences to what you post if it proves to be false. One big reason a lot of MSM artilces arent mentioning CW? Because they know the legal consequences! I bet the GFM money ends up paying for her gross/thirsty friends legal fees when they get pummeled by Wheeler’s legal team. GAME ON. Can’t wait for that thread.

He really should R147, but it's not only the friends, it's mental cases like those on this thread that are transmitting the worst of it. I think he should go after the Sheriff because all he did was add fuel to the flames for no reason. In the end I don't think he'll sue anyone because he'll likely want this to go away so he can move on with his life.

[quote]None of them have any money (nor does he need it), so if it happens it will be to make a point more than anything.

Nonsense. What about the 30 pieces of silver rattling around in their pockets from GFM? Don't spend it girls, that money will be all mine.

I think r109 needs to brush up on how heterosexual sex works. Alexa Montez was 16 years old. Unless the boyfriend had a 16 inch penis and a razor spiked piercing, there's no reason sex with him would be evident in an autopsy.

The women in R132-R134 are all pretty plain and underwhelming. If that’s the best an attractive, young millionaire can do in Texas I can see why he went for Nichol. The girl at 134 is a homely woman painted up for a night out and looks much older than she probably was at the time.

If I were CW I'd be suing. Now he has some nutjob conspiracy theorists that will never accept anything other than he is a murderer. Like with the Sandy Hook parents who still get phone calls and harassed by idiot Alex Jones watchers who think they never lost any kids.

R148 I agree. Sheriff should be included in the suit due to his HUGE contribution to the unmerited attacks on CW. If CW goes after anyone, I assume it will be solely to reinforce his innocence. I don’t care about the reason(s) personally, I’m all about justice in general. And those dirty, lying women need to be held accountable for basically inciting a mob to destroy a man’s life/reputation.

“And those dirty, lying women need to be held accountable for basically inciting a mob to destroy a man’s life/reputation.”

Inbred incel talk.

Wheeler’s lawyers are aggressive because defense attorneys are aggressive. That’s why people hire them. Sometimes the people who hire them are guilty. Sometimes they are innocent. Defense attorneys are a breed apart.

There are some really dumb people here.

R148, I agree. That Sheriff is a moron.

No man can serve two masters. Either he does his job or he tries to please people. If he doesn’t have the balls to do that, he’s in the wrong job.

He bungled this case badly by opening his big fat attention whore mouth.

Has CW issued any statements about hoping the cops find whoever may have murdered his girlfriend and her daughters?

Have CWs lawyers and the PR team he hired to saturate sites like this one issued any statements supporting the cops finding their murderers?

This is the frauiest thread since Meghan Markle ate an avocado.

He doesn't need a pr team or to issue a statement to find the murderers, R197, because she's already been found. The killer is Nichol Olsen. Facts are facts. ME said it was a M-S, that's all people with a functional brain need to know to deduce what happened; despite what Sheriff Doolittle says.

That was meant for R157.

[quote] However everything else I've said is 100% correct including the fact that he had THREE attorneys.

I don't give a shit one way or the, but I need to make a comment about this--

No one hires three, four, or ten lawyers out of their own innocence or guilt. That's not the way hiring a lawyer works.

You go to a lawyer (ONE) and you have a chat about the charges. That lawyer says to you, "I can take the case, but it's going to be complicated, so I'm going to need to consult with lawyer X, who specializes in [specific part of evidence or charge or questioning witnesses or whatever]. I'm also going to need to consult with Y, who's going to take on [a different specific part]."

The lead lawyer tells the client who needs to be hired/how many; not the other way around.

R157 Do you really think that a hired PR firm would be spending their time on a homosexual gossip site? Get a clue. Sorry about the loss of your friend.

R161 Are you a lawyer? Because I am (in TX) and you are either lying to push your agenda, making ignorant assumptions, or a really dumb person (possibly lawyer). Whatever the case, you’re wrong.

R163, I don't have an agenda. Like I said, I have no interest in this case: I am just a casual reader.

But I have friends who are attorneys, 1 a criminal defense attorney. I have a friend I've known since high school who was one of the team prosecuting a very famous shooter. Over the years, we have talked about their cases.

Maybe they are more successful than you are?

R164 I am actually a prosecutor—not sure if that means I’m “successful” or not (depends on who you ask, but I’m sure you know that with all of your friends being lawyers and all). But I am confident about how “hiring a lawyer works” and the fact that there is absolutely nothing nefarious about CW or his defense counsel.

R164 Also, if you have no interest in this case or the outcome, why are you even reading those AND going so far as to post about it? Weird. Maybe you should go hang out with your super successful lawyer friends instead.

An extremely wealthy friend and her boyfriend killed her husband. They refused to talk to the police and hired lawyers IMMEDIATELY. The body was discovered a few days later at 5 pm and they had hired attorney's by 8 pm that night. She hired an attorney who specialized in defending women who murder their husbands. She did volunteer DNA, but refused to answer any questions. The police knew they did it. The boyfriend ended up being tried and convicted 2 and a half years later, she ended up dying of cancer

R167. Objection. Relevance.

R167, was that case in Long Island?

r167 is OBSESSED with CW being the murderer. What happened, he didn't want to fuck you?

R167, I used to work with the victim’s side piece. Still see her around the UES. Fascinating story there. As usual, the kids got screwed hard.

Chris Watts didn’t hire a lawyer immediately. He also made a big statement begging his (deceased and he knew it) wife to come home.

His mistress lawyered up and did a newspaper interview in her lawyer’s office. Does that make her guilty?

What is the logic of people thinking only guilty people hire lawyers? The smart ones do.

I find it sad that so many people want the boyfriend to be guilty. I mean some of the scenarios are absurd. I've seen people say he forced her to shoot herself after he killed the daughters, that he hired a hitman, that he planted the gun on her. I mean it all sounds insane. Yes, sometimes set-ups happen, but out of hundreds of thousands of murders, how many times has that happened? Not a lot. I hope the FBI's involvement will speed up the process and end this once and for all.

R173 Agree 100%. Her friends are at fault. They are wrong and foul and still won’t back down (although I have seen them back off the new posts). They are trash and LOVE the attention. And they also lack a moral compass so, in their minds, they’ll say whatever lie they need to in order to make ppl listen/agree.

Her friends also bully any and every one that dares to offer a counter opinion to them. Even on the supposed “neutral” FB pages. My friend got attacked for giving an opinion about the ME report. One girl went so far as to send her a private message telling her she was a fool and ordering her to stop posting about the case. It was creepy, quite frankly.

CW and his family have a business and reputation to protect from all the mudslinging the deranged fans of child killer Nichol. I would hire a PR team if I were them and could afford it. Some of these people are as delusional as the child killer fan club of NO.

I do hope CW sues all those fake friends of NO spreading vile, lies about him. They just want to rule up people so they will send more money to that scam GFM they’re running.

The boyfriend is Hot with a a capital T!! I’m not concerned with his guilt or innocence I just want to see his tallywacker. Nicol seems like trash anyway.

All this talk about lawyers is exhausting. I’ve had the displeasure of meeting several in my line of work, and trust me, the only good lawyer is a dead lawyer. They are all scum of the earth. It’s funny that one I knew even admitted it to me on a night of drinking and said how his colleagues had the lowest morals of anyone he knew. They were also all coke heads. Well, if there is a hell I guess we know where all the dead lawyers are!

Does anyone know how NO parents died? They both did very young. Rick Carl Olsen in his early 30s and her mom in her early 50s

Does anyone know how NO parents died? They both did very young. Rick Carl Olsen in his early 30s and her mom in her early 50s

Sorry Mccherryl Fennel Olsen did at 43

Three of the Olsen’s died before 50. Is the deplorable brother next? Any other siblings this child killer have?

[quote]the only good lawyer is a dead lawyer. They are all scum of the earth.

Until you need one.

NO had many trashy friends. That says a lot about NO.

I guess it makes sense so many of Charlie’s friends are here, frantically attacking Nichol. They are probably regulars. Charlie pings. A 31 year old born into millions bachelor is quite rare in Texas. Nichol was bearding. Maybe she got tired of it and he panicked. Maybe she was going to let the cat out of the bag.

R186, You've got to admit that that's a rather wild theory. Can you explain your post, add more details?

R186 No.

I’m a male from Boerne and trust me, there TONS of young millionaires here (and in the San Antonio/Hill Country area) Its gorgeous landscape wise although the summer heat can be a killer....we’re kind of having a renaissance because Austin sucks now and people are moving here in droves.

R173, the wild explanations are almost funny. See r186.

I’d kill if I had a name spelled Nichol.

Why would a rich, handsome guy in this day and age need a beard? He is not a movie star.

I don’t think he’s gay, but he’s a bit dandy.

If he were to choose a beard, he wouldn’t have picked HER. There are plenty of more suitable beards available.

The ex girlfriend is......homely to be kind. The two chicks in the other picture are totally average small town girls. There’s got to be better women down there or maybe the hot ones move away to go to school.

The following statement is from Alexa's father, Carlos Montez:

There are 5 stages of grief. I'm well past the first. So pardon my inability to remain silent in the second. But how does a man have the weakness to let others speak for him? I speak for myself. No one speaks for me. How do you allow a woman and her two children to die under your roof, in your home, on your watch?

Then allow your spokesperson to imply that the ME report should be good enough? Call me whatever you want, but I would demand answers if that happened in my home. If I had the money to offer a reward, I would offer all I had for information that lead to the truth.

But at the very least, I wouldn't ship one of the child's belongings to her next of kin. I would open up my home for them to see where she lived and share precious moments with them. I wouldn't pay someone to box up their things and ship them like it was something I needed removed.

I would have made every effort to at least spell their name correctly.

You "demonized" yourself.

On Nichol's IG page, there are a total of 21 posts from the last 17 months. Four of them are of one or more of her children, and one of her with her son. And in all of these posts, the caption makes it clear that they are her own (e.g., “Happy 21 st birthday to my handsome son!”; “Could not ask for anything more! My world!”; “First day of high school and 4th grade. Time flies so far”).

Nichol_O

While I feel for Alexa's father, what did he expect? He and others have been accusing the guy of murder. Even in the post he's implying that even if he didn't do it, he allowed it to happen. Come on, how could he have known? These people need to start facing reality and stop looking for others to blame. Why would Charlie want anything to do with them? My guess is that he is going to get rid of that house the first chance he gets. Smart move.

R195 Wow. That’s cold.

Yep that’s not a normal reaction to having your girlfriend and her children shot in your home after you had an argument and left. Even assuming it was a M/S and the relationship was unhealthy, I can’t imagine us grief, the shock, the guilt.....I think I would be reaching out to the family if I was innocent. Of course, they will want an investigation and they may even accuse me but I know for sure I couldn’t pack up the kids belongings and ship them to a relative with no communication. Something was really off in their relationship or the extended family dynamics or with CW. It’s very unusual that a man who chose to live with Nichol and her children and opened his home to them would now have so little empathy, even for the kids. There’s a big part of the puzzle still missing here.

R197, If I were Charlie Wheeler I would have had my secretary or personal assistant contact both London's and Alexa's families and ask them what they would like done with the victims' personal possessions.

I can imagine that their relatives might want to have a moment of silence, perhaps with a priest or minister, at the spot where they died. Easily it could have done while Weaver was at work.

Would that have been asking too much courtesy to the grieving families?

Even if he was 100% convinced it was a case of M - S, still Charlie Weaver had to know Nichol's daughters were totally innocent. Weaver seems like a very cold and callous human being.

Non celebrity gay man may need a beard if his family were strongly against gays and controlled the money.

R199, but whose fault is that? Yes, he might not have felt a connection to the kids, so why would mom move in with him? I do agree that they seemed like a strange couple. He didn't pack up the things BTW, the dad's post stated someone else did it. I don't think CW wants to step foot back into that house. I know I wouldn't.

I think at this point CW might feel a lot of anger towards Nichol for not only doing what she did, but also putting him in the worst kind of position. He might be feeling the hell with her and her family. I do wonder if the ex is still disseminating negative information about Charlie because he wants a payday through a civil suit. It would totally be better for them in multiple ways if Charlie was the the murderer and this wasn't a M-S.

R201- I think he would've picked a much better, less complicated beard if he were gay. Some good looking guys simply go for unattractive woman. Besides, we've only seen the one ex.

"It doesn’t make a lot of sense that he’s literally accumulating an entire defense team of high-dollar criminal lawyers just to “protect his rights”.

Mark Stevens alone is hugely well known and highly regarded here in SA. If this case was as open and shut and some folks would have us believe, why is CW assembling an entire defense team? Seems like overkill if he just fears being railroaded by Nichol's friends."

Why not hire a lawyer who's well regarded but not the best criminal defense in the entire area?

R202 I agree completely. Charlie will probably never step foot in that house again. My guess, he’s having the entire house packed up, not just the kids’ stuff, so he never has to go back. What was he supposed to do with their belongings? I guess he could have trashed them, but then they’d be bashing him for that. Her family has been implying that he is a murderer all over the media—why would he reach out to them or allow them into his home for that matter? They’re insane and in denial. And yes, probably salivating at the thought of getting money out of CW via civil suit. That being said, the timing of the delivery sucks and doesn’t look great (the funeral is today), and I can’t imagine what the father is going through. It’s so so sad. But he needs a reality check and to redirect his anger at his ex wife. And why would CW offer a reward for information when we already know exactly what happened? There is no killer on the loose. NO shot her two kids and then herself. The end.

R203 Because he’s wealthy and smart. Clearly you are neither.

Here we go again. Just like the other CW (thank god nonseems to care about him anymore) this one is getting a lot of sympathy.

Red Flag 1) spouse/lover 9 times out of ten is the killer.

Red Fla 2) CW was the last one to see them alive. I’m not going to guess what the odds are. I’m sure they are high.

R204, totally agree. He is probably having the entire place packed up, including his things. I didn't know the funerals were today, it does come off as looking pretty bad. That said, I think anything he did would have been criticized. If he called, they'd find something to pick apart he said. If his assistant called, they would say 'why couldn't he call.' Ultimately, I don't think he wants anything more to do with them, hence the cold way he's handling things. I'm actually surprised that LE has let the house be cleared out already.

R203 says why hire the best lawyer? Just get an adequate one.

If you hire the best lawyer, you’re even more guilty.

I’m sure Wheeler was advised by LE and his lawyers to have no contact with the families of the victims.

And I wouldn’t want the trashy greedy people accusing me of murder into my home or anywhere near my property. That’s insane.

R209 Right? It’s like these people are delusional. CW walks in to a blood bath in his home and has to see 3 dead bodies due to no fault of his own (other than having terrible judgment and dating a now-proven psychopath), and THEN he’s not allowed to grieve or even process the whole nightmare bc he is immediately accused of wretched crimes all over SM by her shithead friends and family. So THEN he has to shell out big money to defend himself against a crime that he hasn’t even been charged with (or even named a suspect in, for that matter). All the whole knowing that even when this is all over and he’s completely cleared, the damage to his reputation can never be truly undone. His life will never be the same. But these people (animals seems like a better term) have the audacity to say (again on SM/publically, which is disingenuous on its face) that he owes them something??? That he should have asked them over to his house? F that. They are insane and complete, self-important trash. He owes them nothing. They owe him an apology.

R210, Clear signs exist that a 2nd autopsy isn't necessary because there's going to be an arrest and a trial. FBI has found electronic evidence eliminating the possibility of M - S. Once that occurs, how will you respond?

If he had invited them over to the house, they would have called him callous as 3 horrific deaths took place there. They would have complained about being asked to pack up their loved ones stuff in their time of grieving. CW really can't win, no matter what he does. Probably better to try to diffuse the situation by going quiet and waiting on the FBI. I notice the father is not accusing him of murder, but of allowing a murder-suicide to happen in his house.

What are these clear signs and electronic evidence you speak of R211? Please provide mainstream links to support your claims.

R211 I hope you’re right and the evidence is unrefutable. I don’t see how anyone can think CW innocent. To me it’s as clear as day that’s he’s guilty.

R211 HA! Please share what these “clear signs” are that no one with any amount of intelligence can seem to see? Please, do share! And what kind of “electronic evidence” eliminates M-S? Go on FB if you want to spew obvious mistruths. The folks there love it. Here, not so much. So back up your claims or go away.

R215 I read somewhere that one of the daughters had Amazon Alexa on her phone and that the FBI was waiting on that evidence. If this is true, the whole thing could have been recorded I believe. Could be what R11 is referring to.

R216, is that a fact? I’d love to know if it did record anything.

If this is a murder-suicide, there may not be a trial and we may never know all the evidence.

R216 Amazon Alexa is a device, it’s not “on your phone.” It would be amazing evidence though...to prove NO shot her kids. R211 should answer for themselves. But they won’t bc they have no such evidence to report. Any evidence in this case further backs up ME’s report.

The desperate defense of Charlie Wheeler is very transparent. I don’t think I’ve read one honest comment by a friend of his. Everything is a slam at NO or an attempt to push the M/S theory as an established fact. Meanwhile it’s two weeks later, the FBI is involved, and it’s clear this was no open and shut suicide. Of all the mothers committing m/s with kids as victims that have been raised in discussion, I do not believe any investigation took anywhere near this long . A true m/s is easy to determine. I don’t need Charlie to be guilty. If the FBI clears him, I can accept that. But it would be nice to see someone from his life give an honest statement without being a prick. Charlie Wheeler may not be a murderer- but he’s definitely a cold-hearted lowlife and so is everyone making excuses for his shitty behavior. Poor little rich boy, ...you should all get together with the Covington kids and have a huge pity party for yourselves. Dry each other’s tears. I’d take NO’s questionable friends and family over the Wheeler team any day.

R219 TLDR (too long didn’t read—just in case you’re as dumb as you sound)

R218 you can have Alexa on your phone with the Alexa app.

Murder/Suicide

People here need to stop being hypocritical by stating it's unfair to CW, then calling NO a child killer and being classist af. No one here really knows yet and shouldn't demonize on either side. Could even be a third party, wouldn't that be something?

I do think it's unusual for a woman to kill her children, with no known (yet) solid motive. There was little reason to take out older kids if this was just a suicide, revenge or not, her messy suicide would've been enough to disturb any boyfriend that's normal. Obviously it's not impossible either, but was reason enough to be thorough.

If it’s a M-S then why is the case still under investigation? It could be a M-S but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not.

It's not a 'theory' R219, it's an establish FACT by the ME. The reason it's taking so long is because LE, particularly Salazar, at BCSO seem like real dumbasses. I said this on the last thread, but there was a murder in NJ around Thanksgiving that was way more complicated than this one and the police made an arrest within days. They didn't hold multiple press conferences and talk to the media to basically say nothing. Like I said, that case way more complex than this, the brother is awaiting trial and his crimes were even worse. He set fire to his own house to throw off LE. Co-workers went on record to talk about the brothers and their relationship in recent years. There wasn't this passive/aggressive SM bullshit posts like her friends and family are pushing. As a whole, this case feels like it's a parody of some kind, which is so sad for those two girls.

I really feel so many people are so against CW because he is rich, white and especially because he is a man. There is zero evidence that supports him killing those people.

R225 WELL. SAID.

R220 Reading is such a chore for you? You must avoid books. It’s pretty obvious. Maybe just books with pictures for you?

[quote] All this talk about lawyers is exhausting. I’ve had the displeasure of meeting several in my line of work, and trust me, the only good lawyer is a dead lawyer. They are all scum of the earth.

I have two lawyer friends who work for LGBT civil rights organizations: they are lovely people.

The others that I know vary.

[R225] I though ME only stated COD on Nichol. Nothing on 2 girls. Wow it’s tough being on this site. Very one sided. I know no one in this case, but why can’t anyone think of the poosibilty of a third scenario. CW friends why so much venom for NO. I know what it’s like to protect a friend, but at the same time, why can’t anyone see a third possibility? There are other approaches to protecting your friend. Attacking a mother’s character is no better than NO’s friends attacking his. I’ve been on this site for other discussions. This one just seems particularly cruel.

Nichol committed filicide. Sheriff is a bumbling idiot who likes his 15 minutes of fame. FBI is just tidying up the M-S with a Tibet little bow so those relatives will shut up tith their theories that are all unfounded at this point.

What happened to the GFM?

R229 I don’t know that many on this site actually know CW. I think we just find it disgusting that her friends have publicly accused him of the most awful things without providing a single piece of objective evidence. At least we are keeping it classy and talking shit privately. We are also operating under the assumption that this was a M-S bc the ME said girls were murdered and NO was suicide. And the ME seems like only grown up that’s worked on the case. Under that theory, NO deserves to be destroyed. She took the lives of 2 beautiful children. Stole them from their fathers and families.She’s the worst type of person. I have no problem calling her she what she is and maybe her friends and ex husbands should open their eyes. It’s shameful.

R231 Is it gone?

R229, how can you offer an opinion if you don't even know that the two daughters deaths were ruled as HOMOCIDES. How is this site one-sided when I've seen (ridiculous) theories here that NO is being framed. I assume that is your third possibility. I assure I am not a friend of CW and never heard of any of these people before this case. Facts and logic tell me NO killed her daughters. I think that deserves a lot of venom spewed her way. What facts do you have that support your third possibility?

*Homicides

As far as the GFM R233, this is what the friend said when asked: "Forensic pathologist can do their job even after burial." Like that really makes sense. They can do it later and not when the crime scene still has integrity and the bodies can still be thoroughly examined.

Their facts are NO looked beautiful and happy on her SM. The fathers are not saying anything bad about her. She must be innocent. Framed by the evil bf. Please. Why would anyone post anything but happy pictures of themselves in SM? Gullible people. ME ruled suicied for NO. She’s the only adult in the house.

If she killed herself, and I see no reason to doubt the ME, then no other explanation makes sense to me (that someone else killed the girls - why??) She had a reason to kill them - to get revenge on their no good daddies who haven't been perfect towards her in every way. And parent just kill their kids sometimes - 500 or so cases a year. There are only rare, if any, cases of a boyfriend killing just the kids of their partner but not the partner. The odds are on NO as the murderer.

If the ME is wrong and NO was murdered too, the odds are on CW (or less likely, one of the baby daddies, but both of them seem to love their own child, so that is extremely unlikely)

[234] you’re so right. I completely left the double homocide off my response. I haven’t had the easiest time posting on this site.,yes I knew about that. But it has not been officially ruled that NO murdered her children. Just they were murdered. I don’t know what a third scenario would be exactly, but I can think of many. I’m a mom, and just have a hard time understanding how a fully functioning mom, who loved her children, (I know you’ll say hearsay) would murder their children.

Basically the GFM will not be used as it was initially stated by NO’s friends? Hmmmm.

If NO friends just defended her by saying she was someone who loved life and her children and wouldn’t do this, without any bashing of CW, would the discussion be more civil?

R212, You are mistaken. The polite, considerate thing to do would be to have a 3rd party contact the distraught fathers and to ask them how they would like to collect their daughters' belongings. Bringing a minister or church member along would not be unreasonable. Perhaps the fathers' would have preferred to send a friend to collect the possessions instead. Either way their input should have been considered.

R213, MSM won't report anything until it actually happens.

Look what happened to the San Antonio reporter who tried to get a statement from Charlie Weaver. His attack dog of an attorney tried to chew him to pieces. I've never seen a lawyer come across so aggressively in print when his client hasn't even been arrested.

Usually legal teams are formal and businesslike at this point of the game, encouraging the readership to stay open minded as to who's actually guilty.

To the above posters, very experienced ME in the USA and elsewhere are often wrong in determining if it's a case of M - S, or if a professional hit man has arranged the crime scene to make it appear to be a M - S. This is the #1 occurrence where ME have changed their findings.

R234, I think the Sheriff is solely responsible for making this case sound more complicated than it really is. He definitely likes the attention, but there might also be pressure from the commmunity to pin this on the bf. Maybe someone who is from that area can shed some light on what people there are thinking. When it first happened, even with the hint of M-S, I still was open to the possibility that CW did it. After the ME report, learning of the fight with bf and generally listening to the dim witted Sheriff, the only reasonable conclusion I came to was that NO did it. Go to the the previous thread and you'll see how many mothers have killed their kids. From all races, socio-economic backgrounds, locations. It's sad, but it does happen.

I think the friends are responsible for the innuendo, but I think regular people on SM are making up stories. There is someone here that posted that the Sheriff claimed in a interview that his sister was getting calls from CW exes saying that he was abusive. A linked video showed that the Sheriff said no such thing. The poster (R211) has also claimed CW chased around a gf with a gun, slammed another's head in a dashboard, and that she knows from the FBI that his arrest is imminent. When you ask for links or even posts to substantiate these claims, she never has any. The friends put it out there, which spawned some really crazy people. If these claims are reported to a respected news outlet, I'd be inclined to believe it more and if the ME reverses his findings, I will be the first one to say CW is the prime suspect. Until then I buy the M-S.

[quote]I can imagine that their relatives might want to have a moment of silence, perhaps with a priest or minister, at the spot where they died. Easily it could have been done while Weaver was at work. Would that have been asking too much courtesy to the grieving families?

Yes. It's a crime scene. And these are the people accusing him of murder. No way I'd let them anywhere near my property. They can have all the memorials the want.....elsewhere.

r241. Like I said, no matter what was done, it wouldn't be to anyone's satisfaction. If he did that, you would still find fault and say why is he trying to suck up to the father or why isn't he calling him personally, and that he must be trying to hide something.

Oh, and to that poster who also claimed she was told by Nichol's relative that CW strangled the family dogs and they had to re-home them.

R240, they didn't even have the balls to come right out and bash him themselves. Instead they planted the seed that allowed the unhinged to grow and do their dirty work.

I think she killed the kids in a rage because she saw them as an impediment to her relationship with her sugar daddy. She finally landed a big fish after hooking up with several minnows. He probably didn't want kids---or at least he didn't want hers. That may have been what their fight was about. She sure seemed to spend a lot of time away from them. They were shuttled off to relatives more often than not. Could CW's dislike NO's kids be the reason? On their last night together maybe the kids were acting up and being brats. He might have told NO to pack her shit and leave along with the girls. Maybe once she killed them, she had immediate remorse and popped herself as well out of desperate grief.

NO wouldn't be the first mom to feel trapped by motherhood or to off her kids because they got in the way of her love life.

I don’t think any reasonable person can expect ones life’s belongings to be packed up in one evening. Don’t think that happened.

R248, What you wrote doesn't make any sense. London & Alexa spent a lot of time with their relatives as they lived locally and really loved them. I've said before that Alexa's aunt asked to be goddaughters to both her niece and London. Also that London's aunt planned a Costa Rica trip to visit relatives this summer.

If Nichol actually thought that they were an impediment to her relationship with Charlie Wheeler. I'm sure either of her daughters' aunts or fathers could have handled full-time custody.

Re the previous examples cited where mothers killed their children, all were emotionally and financially overwhelmed and dealing with out-of-control, bratty kids. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever online or elsewhere that London and Alexa were anything other than well-behaved, disciplined students.

Also Nichol's previous close friend, the French born club owner, still posts on FB that he felt a fatherly affection for London and Alexa. Would he have done so if they were the cause of their breakup? No, the club owner left the city.

If Charlie Wheeler didn't like children, why did he get involved with a mother who had primary custody?

That's what I think, R248. Deep down she resented her kids. I mean she's spent over half her life being a mother and didn't seem like she enjoyed it that much. Someone posted upthread that CW dated someone for 3 years and then a year later it appeared she married someone else. Maybe he wasn't looking for marriage and NO was. Maybe in her mind she blamed that on her kids. Of course there is a likelihood that he indeed had buyer's remorse once she, her teen and preteen daughters moved in.

Local media updates case. Notice they're calling it as a triple shooting rather than as a M - S. Interesting.

Isn't Alexa's father the one who lives elsewhere so his wife can go to college? So he wasn't even spending time with his own daughter? But now he's father of the year. Hmmmm

R253, that’s correct. I don’t know how far away College Station is, but that’s where he and his wife lived. He was also talking about how he wanted to buy her a Jeep and take her to Hawaii. I get the impression that he was a well-meaning dude who couldn’t follow through on his big promises... he was the guy who was in Hawaii (where Alexa was born) and let the brother and took the son and brother into his home. He also had several garnishments on his paycheck for child support.

R253, R254, Why are you so quick to condemn a grieving father? Do you know that Alexa's aunt subbed as a part-time caregiver as she lived closer? Alexa had weekly visits to her loving family members.

Cruel to make such judgments when you obviously don't know any of the specific details. WTF is wrong with you?

R255 Why did Alexa need a part time caregiver? NO too busy on the wknds drinking margs with her besties and spending CW’s money to take care of her kids? What a loving and doting mother.

R254, Alexa's father was in the military. That's why his daughter was born in HI where he was stationed. His career dictates that he's frequently away from home.

College Station is about 3 hours from where Nichol lived. Yes he had specific plans now that Alexa was finally of age and could legally obtain her driver's license to buy her a vehicle within 2 weeks. He discussed what she wanted and where he was going to buy it in an online media article I previously posted.

Did the aunts have kids? Cousins are often best friends at that age and want to be together all the time- especially girls. Girls love be sleepovers. There’s nothing wrong with cousins spending weekends together. It’s a good thing

R256, Alexa and London did NOT need part-time caregivers. Their relatives WANTED to spend time with them. How can you make such ridiculous statements about total strangers?

Fact is Nichol's friends said they were frequently disappointed because she had to be home at night to help her daughters with her homework rather than going out with them to have fun. Both of the girls' relatives have continuously praised Nichol's parenting skills.

My sister always wants to take my daughter for weekends. She’s got younger kids and my daughter is old enough to supervise yet young enough to still play and have fun. When my girl is there my sister doesn’t have to do all the playing- she can make dinner or chill out in the house and take a break. Maybe NO’s daughters had a similar role.

R259. GREAT parenting skills. Until she shot her kids. You are one making ridiculous statements.

Why would relatives have a problem with her? A good mother who wanted to spend time with their kids wouldn't allow them to go to relatives homes every weekend and probably more. They'd want to spend time with their kids.

"Nichol's friends said" hahaha

R259 So If NO works and the kids have school and practice, etc. during the week...and then they were with relatives on the wknds, it doesn’t sound like NO spent much time with them at all. Dinner? Couple hours in the evening? Just an observation.

That’s what having older kids is like for a lot of people, R263. They want independence. They have sports and dance and events and friends and it’s more so with girls than boys. It doesn’t mean you are an absent parent.

And whoever suggested that Charlie was being nice by not throwing the girls’ belongings in the trash- you are a real prize.

R264 All the more reason not to allow them to spend every weekend in another home, without you, if you want to maintain any amount of a relationship with them.

R262, Why would you be so cruel as to condemn a godmother who wants to spend part of every weekend with her goddaughters? Says a lot about a woman who'd want to have her niece's half-sister as her goddaughter as well.

R263, Just a couple of hours nightly? May I ask if you flunked math? More like a couple of hours in the am getting them ready for school, making and serving breakfast. Minimum 4 hours every night, making and serving dinner, helping with homework, etc.

R267 Who’s condemning the god mother? And if NO still had to help her 16 yo “get ready for school” then there were more problems that we will ever be able to cover here.

R266, So you wouldn't allow her aunt to take your daughter to Costa Rica, to visit her relatives for just part of the summer, since that would mean you wouldn't be able to have a good relationship with her? Excuse me? Do you actually have children of your own? I hope not as you sound extremely controlling.

R269 Every weekend and holiday (which is what aunt said at the vigil) is the issue. But nice attempt at spinning and twisting. Since NO’s friends/fans seem to quick to believe everything they read on the internet, I’m reading posts from someone saying the kids didn’t even live with her until recently and didn’t live with her at her “upscale apt complex” where she was before living with CW. Someone said it on the internet so it must be true!!!

R268, You're way, way off base here. Or are you such an extremely hateful misogynist? Do you really think a girl with a steady boyfriend, a very good male close friend, a cheerleader in TX where that's still a top goal of most high school students, has major problems?

Helping her daughter get ready for school could include packing her lunch, making sure the cheerleader uniform has been picked up from the dry cleaner, verifying after school activities and transportation to and from, seeing if a special outfit is needed for weekend activities, generally being a top caregiver. Sorry if I didn't spell it out for R268 in my previous post but I thought it was understood what a good mom does for a daughter in the morning.

R270, Nichol's family consisted of one brother other than her children. Her aunt had a large family and wanted her goddaughters with her for holidays. Why does that mean Nichol isn't a good mother? She's far, far better than relatives who fight over where a child gets to spend holidays and part of one's vacations.

Please remember Nichol was a single parent, working at least 30 hours a week, plus more than likely doing side work for friends outside the shop as an on-call makeup artist and beautician. Also she was starting a 2nd business with others. Her profession required her to look very good at all times, meaning a lot of hours spent.

Why didn't the posters dissing Nichol spend this much time criticizing Jayme Closs' parents as their daughter spent a lot more time with her aunt as caregiver than she ever did with her married parents who only had one child. When her aunt moved, Jayme was forced to change schools. So who really was the primary caregiver? Yet you say terrible things about a single mother. Why?

R267-Where did I condemn the godmother? I condemned Nichol for allowing her kids to sleep out every weekend instead of spending time with them. Their godmother is not their mother. A trip a weekend here and there is fine, but on a consistent basis means the mother wants them out of her way. Nichol was an absentee mother who would've rather partied with her boyfriend and her friends.

Many local people firmly believe Charlie Wheeler will soon be arrested.

Ask any of his past girlfriends, or girls he has been with. Ask those who have witnessed him kicked out of clubs, bars, casinos and hotels.

Take a poll of people in the hillhcountry who get awkward when they mention his name.

Check private jet flight records to various locations where others have had to bail him out of trouble.

You can't really check legal records because they have been deleted, or we'e never turned in ... But it doesn't take much digging... The trial will flush it all out.

Nichol did not work 30 hours a week R272, she worked m-th a few hours a day. Who the fuck is the godmother? Does she trump the mother? You would think Nichol would want her daughters on holidays. That's the stuff parents fight over.

You make no sense at all. R271, you must be at the youngest 60 and/or never had kids. Who the hell packs lunches for 16 year olds? Transportation, school activities? We are talking about a teenager here not a 10 year old! If she spent time on weekends with friends that is one thing, but hanging with the godmother's family is unacceptable.

I put one poster on ignore.and all the "CW did it and if you disagree you hate women/are a paid shill" posts disappeared, about 50 of them.

R276 Really? WOW. Not surprising I guess.

R274. "Hanging with the godmother's family, who's also her aunt, is unacceptable?" WHY? WHO ARE YOU to judge a strangers' decisions on the very best parenting arrangements for their children. You would really fight loving, caring relatives so that your child HAS to spend all holidays with you? Pardon me, but whomever would say such a thing is beyond controlling. WTF?

R274, How do you know exactly how many hours Nichol worked? Or if she was paid $$$ to do her friends and acquaintances hair aside from her regular job which many, many makeup artists do so they don't have to take off work to get done up for a special occasion? Your posts are beyond silly.

I'm 62. So what? You've seen my recent pictures on my FB.

R278 You are having a very hard time with this concept, I can see that. If you don’t get the issue after about 12 different posts have explained it, you won’t ever get it. Move on.

The living situation is not what it seems to the average middle class person. The paradigm is not a playing house type of scenario but more of a rock star celebrity arrangement.

Charlie Wheeler found her on social media and then hooked up. Then he learned about her kids. Adding them to the mix was not the same as a normal blending family process. More of a source of turmoil as he couldn't deal with children.

How he handled women and relationships and stress, and hand guns is the real issue. He's got an unsavory history.

It will all come out in the trial.

R278- I don't know one family where the child goes off on holidays to other members of the family without the parent(s). Why would any parent allow that? It's not even a decision amongst the parents in this case, it's the godmother not the father. The point of spending holidays together is to make memories with your children. That is not control, it's being normal. The fact that she sends her kids away, even on holidays, speaks volumes about her parenting.

R274, I know because Nichol's friend posted it. Nichol was really hustling on all her vacations. Before you think I'm knocking her for that , I'm not, just pointing out she wasn't slaving away doing hair and make-up. I really haven't looked at your FB, but your definitely of another generation if you think mom's still do that stuff for 16 years old. Actually I don't think they ever did.

Well, I think we can agree that NO’s family dynamic wasn’t Ozzie and Harriet.

We can agree that the kids at least knew their fathers.

We can agree that no one should have died.

We can agree that we do not know what their relationship was really like, or what happened that night.

[quote] I don't know one family where the child goes off on holidays to other members of the family without the parent(s). Why would any parent allow that?

You never spent a summer with just your grandparents in their house by the lake? (Or their beachside condo?)

How sad for you.

This happens in large families all the time.

[quote] The fact that she sends her kids away, even on holidays, speaks volumes about her parenting.

Maybe you should round up all the parents in America who send their children to summer camps and "speak volumes" to them.

Honestly, what kind of morons are inhabiting this thread?

Well you're here R283/284, so that's one moron accounted for. You're also a tool who twists things around and/or has reading comprehension problems. We're not talking about going to grandma and grandpa's for the summer, but spending holidays and every weekend at a godmother's house on a consistent basis. If you don't see a huge difference in that, then there is no hope for you.

[281] what do you mean hustling? Could you clarify please

What? Why did Alexa’s father, who complains the children were in an “Unloving” environment, not step in? As for the other frauds, parenting is more than picking up your child’s cheer costume from the dry cleaners. Did mom do her algebra homework with her? And when the kiddo’s homework might be “over her head,” did she read the. websites to familiarize herself with the pesky subject in her spare time? Because that is what real parents do.

I eagerly await toxicology results on NO. I can easily see someone extremely drunk, angry, frustrated, and pissed off with their life circumstances like this committing M/S.

Alexa’s dad needs to STFU with the complaints toward CW. Dad had no problems moving to College Station & abandoning regular visits and parenting time with his child for another woman. If he really had issues with CW subsidizing his child’s life , or with NO providing adequate care, he had every opportunity to change custody. He chose not to pursue any action. It appears that his daughter appeared to enjoy CW’s beautiful home and pool, while dad had zero complaints about mom/child being abused or CW“being unloving” as he stood by. The worst kind of hypocrite. A real parent talks to their kid every day. They do homework, they monitor SM, they are present. They recognize and catch triggers before they happen.

R285, May I remind you that Nichol was divorced. Custody agreements mean children often spend 1/2 of their time with the father's relatives. Sometimes it's split 50 - 50 between the two, such as alternating weeks, or even alternating days. That must really mess up a child.

Better to spend M - F with one parent and weekends & holidays with relatives of the divorced parent. We also don't know if Alexa's father drove 3 hours to spend weekends and holidays with his daughter at his sister's home. Would make sense.

R274, I should introduce you to many, many parents, and I don't mean just the 2019 version of the helicoptering kind, who still adhere to small-town American values and style of raising their children.

Then there are those that homeschool their kids. I've read entire threads on parenting on other sites where before 16-year-olds are allowed to attend church camp in 2019 mom must meet and get to know the majority of those attending. Shall I continue with more specific examples? You're going to tell me these types of moms don't strictly organize their teen daughters' morning and evening routines?

Do not pretend this was a mom whose children “were everything” to her. They were a hinderance or a pretty tool to get on “Americas Got Talent” reality show for fuck’s sake. This thread amply demonstrates that assuming CW was indeed a dick, that status/$ was more compelling to NO than her kids welfare. Clearly.

R289, I've read many, many posts from mothers who blatantly refuse to allow pictures of their children with them on their Social Media. Why? Nichol's social media was open to the public, and used to spread the word to potential clients of her hair stylist abilities. Yes there was a beautiful picture with her ADULT son and loving words from mom.

R289, Are you aware of the potential danger of pervy strangers seeing 3 beautiful women of varying ages all together? Do you know that pedos would copy such a picture, add pornographic words to it, and then sell it all over the internet? I saw this happen with marketing photos and videos of an Orthodox Jewish day school in South America, otherwise I wouldn't have believed some people are that sick. The boys and girls were wearing their school uniforms at the time. How the pictures were doctored to appeal to pedos was revolting.

R289, Teachers have advised parents NOT to post pictures of their children on any site that's not 100% closed to all but the closest friends and relatives.

So, these pre-verts can be avoided by publicizing your kid on “America’s got talent”? Makes sense.

R289, It was not Nichol who arm twisted her daughter to try out for the talent show. London wanted to do it. We both know what would have happened. They'd show up and see mile long lines. Those with special connections including local talent show winners would go to the front of the line. Doubt London would even have had a chance to audition before actual judges.

Know of adults who tried to get on a singing talent show. They won't even watch any of the programs nor their copycats, calling it all a total fraud.

R291, The chances of London or any other child without solid insider connections being seen on any of the music talent competitions is almost nil. None. Do you know of anyone who's auditioned? I have, and it's not a fair, honest competition.

Still London wanted to see what it was like to audition, so loving mother agreed to take her. Nichol had to know her daughter would not be in any danger for standing in line for hours and hours.

R286, trying to build up her "side business" of hair and make-up. I didn't mean it as in she was a prostitute.

R228, that doesn't mean the father's relatives, it means the father. From all accounts, he didn't see her every weekend. NO children didn't seem the homebody types and she didn't seem like a helicopter mom. I seriously doubt she had to make lunch for the older one and I believe she was driving. Another point that is a little odd to me is why a 16 year old would want to go to relatives on a weekly basis. At the age it's all out being in your own environment, near friends. I know a couple who traveled a lot, dad was weird, mom was there but really into her own thing. Grandparents were a huge influence with the kids. Kids turned into late teens and they insisted on spending summers at grandma's house. Mind you, they lived only 30 minutes away and were camp counselors. We all always found it strange and thought they just didn't want to be near their parents and were more comfortable with the grandparents. I think the AM was probably the same and was probably closer to her aunt than her mother.

R171, you used to work with Lori? It's so obvious her oldest kid is Ted's

Wow. To me- this speaks volumes.

So, mom’s response to crush her child’s dreams was to show her the long line was in L.A/ Las Vegas (wherever) and explain AT THAT POINT- good luck, you ain’t got talent? And P.S, “Explain that your 5th grade friends, love!” Bullshit. Tough love. If true, what a bitch. She is literally demonstrating to her child that she has no talent to be on television, pick another career. Could this not have been articulated another way? Is she telling her daughter to find a guy to achieve financial stability since she has no talent? Perhaps this should be the time they set down the instagram and crack the books?

R296, WTF? Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. Mom was taking London to DALLAS for tryouts. Mom was following through with what London wanted to do, just like countless other loving, caring parents.

Likely by showing up for the audition Nichol could then try and figure out what was required for her daughter to get a priority audition for next time. You have to show up and network, figure out the right vocal coaches with solid entertainment connections. Learn what others are doing, like competing locally to sing the national anthem at smaller, then larger, and then still more popular sporting events. Fact.

Get yourself known as a talented young singer with a solid media & FB following. Realize that all of the above might put you at greater risk for unwanted attention by pervs. If you were a very attractive, vibrant woman of any age you'd know about being followed by weird strangers and being approached repeatedly in grocery stores.

The point is that this action is inconsistent with others who explain/justify the lack of mom and kids on mom’s SM. They claim mom sought to keep the minor child’s life “private.” Fair enough. If true, and NO’s goal In taking the child to the competition to show the child she will certainly fail, seems harsh. This makes no sense. She is either seeking fandom or setting her 10 YO child up for failure.

If the latter, all the more fuel for M-S. Knowing they are “failures.” This trip has been emphasized as a reason why there could be no M-S.

Her friends are now saying There was no realistic reason for these people to attend than certain heartache?

R225 "There is zero evidence that supports him killing those people."

You have no earthly idea what evidence has been collected in this investigation.

In other words, she scheduled her child to audition for a national talent show to show her child she indeed, had no talent. An audition she hoped would show to her 10-year old daughter she ‘Was not good enough.” Like she told her. How depressing.

Let’s set down the giant salted margarita glass and hug our kids. Seriously.

Unless you're Brian Singer.

In which case you've exceeded the lifetime allowance of hugs to kids. You must now wave from a safe distance.

R298, R299, Again your reading comprehension is lacking. I haven't read anything from her friends saying the trip to Dallas for the tryouts would be futile. So maybe Nichol was naive about the audition process. Still it would have been worth it to take London, as I said, to make the right connections and to network to find out info. THEN Nichol could have taken the necessary steps, especially securing the right vocal coach, to make her daughter a star if that was London's dream.

I was only speaking from my own personal knowledge of various acquaintances who've been to the tryouts in different cities and were totally turned off of the series of shows.

Also I do know that it's more than a coincidence that those who try out in Vegas have all performed already on stage, and generally through the same booker. After appearing on the TV show they all raise their booking fees.

PLEASE stop trying to derail this thread.

R299, Three days ago Alexa's father was told LE/FBI have sufficient evidence to arrest Charlie Weaver. I already told DataLounge this same info Thurs night. Know most of you won't believe me until you see MSM confirmation. Well it's coming.

This is the reason there wasn't a 2nd, independent autopsy. Also why the grieving families don't need to hire an independent investigator. There may be lots of expenses for all of them to endure if the death penalty trial is moved out of the general area.

Want more proof? Crime scene was clearly altered, and London's and Alexa's personal effects mailed to their relatives.

Now exactly who did Charlie Wheeler call the night/am of the 3 murders? I'm talking about the mysterious call made before 9:00 am but after he left his home.

Did he call Brian Singer? If so, I am interested.

NO’s friends previously made it sound like family plans to be on “America’s Got Talent” indicated future goals/therefore no S-M. Now, friends claim NO expected it to be failure. NO= Dina Lohan at her low point? Will the Sheriff or ME reveal the toxicology screen to public?

I ignored the CW is a killer anon and all posts saying he’s fuikty disappeared. That one person must be the president of Nichol the child murder fan club.

This thread stinks of Poo.

R307, I smell it, too.

If NO was taking London to audition for AGT, she wasn’t too worried about pedos targeting her. And Alexa being a cheerleader - in front of thousands of people regularly? She wasn’t hiding her kids from being seen by perverts.

It’s not about what she posted on her SM. It’s about the photos of her with her daughters not seeming to exist at all. A relative posted one photo of NO and London standing together. You’d think at least ONE photo existed SOMEWHERE of the three of them together. Someone might have caught them at a birthday party or barbecue or at the pool or a football game.

We will never get those photos because they don’t exist. She probably felt like her daughters are a competition. She obliterated them before they got the chance.

R295, yes! I haven’t seen J since he was a baby, and googled photos just now. I could be convinced there is a resemblance. She never said (that I heard, anyway), but it was assumed that Ted was the father. I’d left the bank by the time the murder happened.

That one poster accusing CW to be the murderer literally had over 50 posts under my ignored. So this is were the GFM went. Paid troll by NO’s friends.

R309, that’s one of my theories.

I think there were some really fucked-up dynamics between Alexa and Nichol.

The girl was 16 years old and I have not seen a single photo of her with her mom for the whole time she was alive. You’d think that ONE of those “she’s such a good mom!” people would be like “See? Here’s Nichol helping Alexa blow out the candles on her tenth birthday!” Or “Here she is with the science fair project she helped Alexa build”.

Crickets. Something wasn’t right there.

It’s been peace since I’ve ignored the paid “Nichol is a good mom and CW is a monster” troll. Took only 1 post to ignore and not one since.

R290, are you aware that Alexa had an Instagram account that was wide open to the public? It wasn’t private. I don’t know about London, if she had any SM.

Alexa was also a cheerleader. Performing damce routines in a short skirt in front of hundreds or thousands of people.

Doesn’t seem as if NO had any great concern about hiding her daughter from the perverts of the world.

There are some deranged NO friends here posting lies. They need to get back to fb.

^^ I realize that sounded slut-shamey and it wasn’t meant to be. Alexa was a normal 16-year old girl. Nothing wrong with having IG or being a cheerleader. Just that r290 seemed to think that letting your child be seen by the world is somehow inviting perverts to perve on them.

What are you gonna do? Live Saudi-style? The real pervs are not the guy on his computer in a basement 400 miles away. The danger is the soccer coach, the music teacher, the youth pastor, the BFF’s older brother, the mom’s boyfriends...

R290 is a troll. Block that cunt and you’ll see you have more than 50 replies gone in an instant. It’s one person trolling this thread.

R314 London has a public Instagram as well.

I’m still waiting for the alleged new findings of the FBI that will lead to an arrest.

What happens to the NO hairdressers club? Busy with clients today?

R303 posted: "Three days ago Alexa's father was told LE/FBI have sufficient evidence to arrest Charlie Weaver. Well, that lets Charlie WHEELER off the hook.

R303 Do you think these idiots that keep calling him Charlie Weaver are doing it on purpose bc they think using a different last name somehow protects them from being sued for spreading blatant lies? Or are they just really dumb?

R321 That was actually meant for you.

I did not know there’s a third POI named Charlie Weaver. And their arrest arrest is apparently imminent. I feel so Happy for Mr. Wheeler being vindicated. CW needs to sue all these NO friends and family and defamed him.

Nichol killed those beautiful angels. I hope she rots in hell.

R322 & R323, because they're just really dumb.

Maybe Charlie Weaver the man responsible for countless incidences of abuse where the police were called and he has been taken out of homes, restaurants and hotels in handcuffs---but mysteriously no one can produce any evidence of these events.

Charlie Weaver has been mistaken for CW many times.

Did Charlie Weaver pack up everyone's personal items and mail that shit to the grieving relatives? LE needs to find this guy. He's got a lot of explaining to do.

Omg I’m DYING. Too funny. Charlie Weaver is a real SOB.

Any news on the funeral? Was there more CW bashing?

R317, sadly she's not even a troll doing it for shits and giggles. She really is the voices in the head type. She's been on this board with other topics and just as nuts. I'm still waiting for Charlie Weaver to be arrested and brought to trial.

Charlie Weaver can’t spell. And he writes in a girlish hand.

This thread stinks of Poo.

Statistically in most cases the last person to see the victim alive is also the killer. LE now has a past history of the way Charlie Wheeler treated Nichol and previous GF.

Wheeler hired his legal team not for SM rumblings and to protect his reputation but because he knows he is guilty. You don't hire heavy weight criminal lawyers to silence social media. Any lawyer can issue a cease and desist. The truth is going to come out in court. How many of Charlie Wheeler's previous girlfriends will be called in to testify? What's the full story behind an extremely drunk Charlie, naked below the waist, chasing a young college student outside after accosting her?

Who is a Charlie Weaver? Is he one of the voices in r290 ‘s head?

R314, R316, Again many, many loving mothers with social media accounts far more active than Nichol's, do not have pictures with their daughters posted. They realize they must allow their girls, especially if they are teenagers, to have their own IG and FB postings.

Other mothers give a multitude of reasons for their decision. Are they being overly cautious? Inconsistent? Or just trying to control what they can without trying to restrict their daughters choices and dreams to become famous singers or cheerleaders? I'm not saying their choices of not posting pictures with their daughters on their own social media is sensible. Only that it definitely is not a rarity. Nor does it mean, according to some posters on DL, that they are jealous, angry, or resent their beautiful daughters.

Of course anyone who's known young women who have been molested or verbally abused in a sexual manner will tell you that it's relatives, close friends of their parents, those in authority at their church etc that are that culprits.

Nichol's social media appears to be set up to promote her hair styling. Also to show potential BF upon being asked. She really slowed down her posting in 2017 when she became involved with Charlie Wheeler.

Apparently her friend that started the GoFundMe has been involved in a defamation case. She married a very wealthy man

Case #2015CI16682

Has anyone checked to see if either of her parents died by suicide? One at 32 and the other at 43? That's very young.

San Antonians know that the Medical Examiner Dr. Randall E. Frost is related to the wealthy long-time Bexar County family, the Frosts - the Frost Bank Frosts. Also that the ME have long been accused of corruption.

Therefore many do not fully trust the decision making skills of Dr. Frost. Further multiple murders designed to look like M - S are the #1 case of ME findings being overruled and changed. Look at the case of what was claimed to be M - S by the long-married, very wealthy couple in Canada, as just one example.

*eyeroll at r339*

Is he a member of the Illuminati? Or a Freemason?

R335, not that I’m doubting you, exactly, but where did this story come from?

Charlie being a sex pest doesn’t mean he is a master killer of women and children who’s able to fool an experienced ME and almost got away with it but was foiled by Sheriff Clouseau.

Sometimes things are exactly what they look like.

Charlie Weaver is spinning in his grave over these accusations.

Case #2015CI16682

Look that up. Her friend has been in a defamation case before

Also has anyone looked into her parents death? Were either suicide? 32 rick and 43 mccherryl are both very young

The friend is a scammer, once people starting questioning what she meant by trying to raise 100K to "find the truth" and ask why no 2nd autopsy or PI with 60K raised, she switched the GFM goal amount to $100, she is hoping that covers her ass and she can claim she only meant $100 is allotted to the case, with a free 60K for her.

Case #2015CI16682 Bexar county her friend is no stranger to defamation

Rick died at 32 Mccherryl at 43 were either suicide ?

Case #2015CI16682 No stranger to defamation

How did her parents die? They were both so young

Are we sure it wasn't suicide

R335 you might not be able to see the posts bc they are written by ppl who have blocked you. But just FYI we all know that you are responsible for pretty much all the CW bashing posts. Go away pest! And prepare along with your other trash friends for another defamation suit.

R346 We are sure it WAS suicide.

Look up this case in bexar county Case #2015CI16682

Also what was the cause of death for her father at 32 and mother at 43? Are we sure it wasnt suicide

[quote] Also what was the cause of death for her father at 32 and mother at 43? Are we sure it wasnt suicide

Charlie Weaver has killed off her entire family! [scumbag bro don't count] I told you this had all the markings of the Zodiac killer!

R346, I'll bite, which friend? Can you give details, I'm too lazy to go search.

R344, her friends response of using the money later was a huge red flag, as well as them not specifying what it was for. The case is still open, what are going to do wait until it's closed, which makes things 100x harder? It's nonsensical. They are scammers for sure.

R351, If a couple of Nichol's friends are not operating a gofundme on her behalf IMHO that's a completely separate issue. Hopefully LE will guarantee funds are returned if they're not correctly used as originally promised. Gofundme has a rep of being very careful as well re fraud cases.

There are quite a few interesting articles by learned people online about staging murder to look like suicide. In fact it happens more than we realize because the successful murderers get away with it. This may explain LE wanting to have more evidence in the bag than just the ME's finding. One interesting passage follows:

"Among key problems for any investigator, and the reason why staging might succeed, is the cognitive error known as threshold diagnosis, which leads to tunnel vision. That is, investigators might decide what must have happened as soon as they arrive, which tends to anchor them in their hypothesis. They fail to notice items that might discount their notions." Staging Murder

Case #2015CI16682  History 00015

Name NICOLE MARIE BAPTISTE

Date Filed  10/1/2015

Case Status  DISPOSED

Litigant Type  DEFENDANT

Court  288

Docket Type  DEFAMATION

R353, thanks. Many of her friends seem like grifters on the prowl for a rich husband. I wonder what the case was all about.

R352 I don’t think tunnel vision on behalf of the cops is a problem here. They are in denial about the ME’s ruling...that’s far from tunnel vision.

Maybe the publicity is going to the Podunk Texas Keystone Cops' heads? Well, I know San Antonio is a big city - but watching that sheriff, could have fooled me.

After watching that daffy sheriff, maybe Charlie's family said, shit, we gotta get the FBI on this or the local yokels will screw it up every which way.

I saw Charlie Weaver dancing with the devil.

So Nicole Baptiste's mother was ordinary BW, what ethnicity was her father?

R359, Nichol's father was White. Her mother was very pretty, mixed race and light skinned, possibly Black & Hispanic.

What did Nichol's father look like? Nichol was gorgeous, her mother looked like a basic B or Blatina

Yes R310, [yes! I haven’t seen J since he was a baby, and googled photos just now. I could be convinced there is a resemblance. She never said (that I heard, anyway), but it was assumed that Ted was the father. I’d left the bank by the time the murder happened.]

Look at these pics and tell me whose the father. The pic on the right is Ted when he was in college.

Ted was 6'4. At the age of 15 Lori's oldest son was taller than Andrew. Hell, Lori's taller than Andrew. And Andrew's real son (Lori's second son) is a short pasty looking kid. Lori planned to leave Andrew when Ted's divorce was final. She is such a skank whore. I am shocked that tried to pass off that kid as Andrews and that Andrew stayed with her. There was surveillance video of her blowing Ted is the kitchen of his East Hampton house. I found it really funny that not a single word was mentioned about her son during the trial. G hired a private detective to follow Ted long before she filed for divorce. She knew Ted and lori had been having an affair for about 8 yrs. The private detective had pics of Lori and Ted together with Ted holding and hugging the baby. None of that came out at trial. That baby was the reason Gen filed for divorce. I honestly believe that drove her crazy. The media portrayed her as a terrible, crazy person, but she wasn't, until he had a secret kid and lied that it wasn't his. He drove her crazy.

Mccherryl Olsen

Rick Carl Olsen

[quote] After watching that daffy sheriff, maybe Charlie's family said, shit, we gotta get the FBI on this or the local yokels will screw it up every which way

NO. The FBI can easily trace intra/inter state bank accounts and phone records. It's what they do best. If this was a murder for hire case, they'll catch him

For anyone who's interested, this was the memorial service. I only watched the montage at the beginning and damn if there is not one single picture of Nichol with her daughters together. I think there is one of the son's dad from when they were married. He looked very Korean, as did the son as a child. On a side note, the fathers must be convinced of her innocence because there is no way I would've allowed a joint funeral service if I was them.

The fact that Nichol's mother was Mcsherryl makes me think 100% black both sides. And Rick Olson was white, the brother looks biracial, I'm wondering how Nichol came out without curly hair?

The youngest daughter looked exactly lik Nichol, she was a beauty. It's odd because Nichol imho doesn't look like her bio-father either

Mcasherryl

The last Medical Examiner of Bexar County was a shady mother fucker. The current ME is just as shady. As a matter of fact he was the former M.E's deputy and very good friend

The former testified for Phil Spector, scott peterson and George Zimmerman. He said Lana Clarkson committed suicide. And we all know that's a big fat lie

Can someone tell what is the situation about Nichole's brother? I think I read here that he was living with her in the house were the killings happened. Is this true?

I haven't heard where this brother was, the night of the killings. Was he in town but just supposedly not in the actual house? Had he gone away, on a visit or something? (Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it)

He bought her black roses last Valentine's Day

[quote] Can someone tell what is the situation about Nichole's brother?

I don't know where he was living, but Nichol was very young (18 or 19) when her Mother died and Nichol who was pregnant (and married and living in Hawaii) took her brother in and raised him (he was a teenager)

Years before Nichol met Charlie she owned her own home. She had it built. Perhaps her brother was living there

Did anyone find out how Nichol’s parents die? They were both so young.

Has everyone seen this group of pictures?

Easy to understand video summary of the case.

PLEASE read all of the comments on this video for more info re Nichol & Charlie Wheeler's relationship issues.

I wish this would all be solved. The speculation is running wild.

I'm still going with murder/suicide. And the sheriff is an idiot.

Hey everyone I’m new to this thread and haven’t read the first one. Sorry! Can anyone tell me if there are any sexy pictures of the boyfriend, and what do we know about the size of his tube steak?

[quote]There are quite a few interesting articles by learned people online about staging murder to look like suicide. In fact it happens more than we realize because the successful murderers get away with it.

More Facebook Frau stupidity. You wouldn't know about it if they "got away with it".

R377. Her only relationship issue was that she wanted one and he didn't. If she was abused it was easy for her to leave. They were not married and had no kids together. Just pick up and go--especially if your kids are in danger. She was a terrible mom to let her kids be exposed to abuse.

NO's dumb friends have really backed themselves into a corner with their reliance on nothing but gossip and poor reasoning skills. Either NO was in an abusive relationship and she was a stupid, shitty mom for staying. Or she wasn't in an abusive relationship and she killed herself and the kids because she was a gold digger desperate to keep her meal ticket. Neither one of these logical conclusions makes them big bucks on GoFundMe though.

R375, no mention. Whatever it was, wasn’t good.

R362, I agree that the baby must have driven G insane. What a stab in the heart to a woman who couldn’t have one. Tragic.

I think these tragic women highlight the point that a handsome rich man is always going to screw around.

It is amazing that Lori escaped much scrutiny. Maybe she had some very good legal counsel and called in some favors. She is barely mentioned.

R382 Can you share to the class who is Lori, G and the cute guy in the other photo?

I saw Charlie Weaver punch a grandma in the face.

R383, they gave many clues. I figured it out. They are referring to the murder of Robert Theodore Ammon, known as Ted Ammon. He was murdered in 2001 by Daniel Pelosi. G refers to Ted's wife Generosa. She and Ted were in the midst of a nasty divorce. Pelosi was Generosa's lover and they married after Ted was murdered. Generosa died of cancer in 2003. Lori was Ted's mistress. There is more info available. Just google "Ted Ammon". There is a Wikipedia page.

Thank you r385

What happened to Ted and Lori’s son? He looks so much like Ted.

R375, I've been criticized before for posting info from Websleuths but sometimes they do have valuable info.

Mother died at 43 and father at age 33. Nichol's mother had placed a restraining order on her father during their divorce.

Rick Carl Olsen BIRTH 20 Dec 1955 Contra Costa County, California, USA DEATH 23 Dec 1988 (aged 33) Bexar County, Texas, USA BURIAL Cremated

MEMORIAL ID 195975946 · McCherryl Fennell BIRTH 14 Dec 1958 DEATH 26 Dec 2001 (aged 43) BURIAL Garden of Memories Cemetery Seguin, Guadalupe County, Texas, USA MEMORIAL ID 178723559 ·

Again from Websleuths,

R388, oh my. What a messy family! With the exception of the girls, they all had criminal records.

Which is why, while I don’t think the BF killed them (as of yet, and I’ll easily change my mind with evidence) I don’t think he was some angel. If he was involved with her, he wasn’t emotionally healthy.

This is the youngest daughters remembrance that was organized by her school. Her aunt must be the official spokesperson for the paternal side of that family...

R390 Interesting that at the memorial the aunt said London “always said she wouldn’t let me adopt her because she’d have to leave her friends.” Why would this ever be a discussion if NO was such a loving mother providing such a supportive home??? I would NEVER say anything like that to my niece! People need to wake up and the girls’ families need to start being honest about the type of mother NO truly was.

R391, Exactly! I get the feeling that this aunt is low key trying to get that point across. Also the comment, "this is her real memorial for us"

Odds are .0048% chance of both parents being born and dying during the month of December.

Nichol's parents divorced while she was young. Her father died right before Christmas when Nichol was about 7.

Nichol's first child was born when she was 15. Then she got married at 17 but it only lasted 11 months. Second marriage two years later in November 2001. Her mother dies the next month, the day after Christmas. Alexa was born in Hawaii in 2002.

A lot going on in her life!

R391, wow. It’s interesting to see what the families have said. Alexa’s father was talking out of both sides of his mouth: “I never doubted her choices as a mother. She always made great decisions.” but also "The home she was living in, we just feel it wasn't a great place for our children to have been loved."

I personally feel that they don’t want to speak ill of the dead, but they were thinking it.

I wonder if the different family factions have quite a bit of tension among them. One of NO’s relatives, Benessa Richardson, came out swinging, but she’s been pretty quiet. Same with that one who made threats against CW.

R393, NO was knee-deep in chaos and unsavory people. My sympathy lies with the daughters.

Re Nichol's father, His CA high school photo is on Ancestry. His mother and some of his siblings are still alive. All were mentioned in Nichol's obituary. Was her father's family still a presence in Nichol's and her children's lives?

R393, if the father died she when she was 7 and the parents were divorced, then who is the father of the younger brother who is 30 I believe? He has the same last name, but I suspected he and Nichol were not full siblings. There is another sibling, but I think it's a half brother from the father's side.

R394, I really think they believe she's innocent. I mean why else would they have a joint funeral? I feel they want a payday. Either from a wrongful death suit or negligence. The father's comments when he received the belongings hinted that even if CW didn't do it, he allowed it to occur.

R391, R392, R394, Alexa's aunt Michele, a RE agent, last spoke to Nichol on Wed night. They normally talked at least once a day. Not only were they best friends for over 15 years, she's also godmother to both Alexa and London. Both girls were treated as if they were sisters rather than half-sisters. Michele obviously loved London as if she were blood.

Just because Nichol had a messy life doesn't mean she'd kill her children. Previous posters have suggested that she had conflicts over money with her daughters' fathers. Obviously that's all in the past.

By murdering her children she would have to have known that #1 she'd be destroying her very best friend's emotional health, the woman she talked to every single day, and who would without hesitation adopt and permanently care for her daughters if she was incapacitated for any reason.

So many people attempt suicide and fail. It is actually rather hard to kill yourself, even with a gun. People often flinch, move, and discharge the weapon near their heads. Results are brain damage, TBI, blindness, hearing loss.

Taking medication with alcohol is another way people attempt suicide, and "failure" with this method can result in paralysis, kidney damage.

R394 I believe that aunt that came out swinging on CW is the same aunt that apparently regularly discussed adoption with London. I THINK. R398 I don’t think she was really thinking clearly about who she would be hurting. And she definitely wasn’t thinking rationally. If she was thinking anything,, my guess is she felt by killing the girls too, she would be sparing her daughters a life of pain and guilt having to live without her, knowing she’d killed herself. Especially since NO knew that pain personally due to losing her parents. In her mind, this could have been the only way she ever felt okay leaving the world. With the girls. Very very sad.

R399 Please stop re-posting everything from WS on this site.

Very trashy family. I guess it's odd because most people don't expect trashy people from "Jerry Springer type" families to look like Nichol did.

I wouldn't be surprised if NO was on medication for depression or any mood disorders. I just don't see how you go through all of the turmoil she did and reported difficult relationship and then go out and present as Happy, loving, great mom etc.... I also think this is not something she would have told any of her friends had she been on meds.

The toxicology report will be very telling...

R404 Agree 100%. I fully believe NO is responsible for all of this, and I find myself feeling so heartbroken for her. I can’t imagine feeling so sad inside that I thought killing my self and my kids was the only way out. And it’s sad that the actions and attacks byher friends on CW has turned this into a debate about how messed up NO was or wasn’t (not to mention how unfair it is to CW). If they would have just been quiet and waited for the investigation to conclude, NO could have rested in peace without thousands of strangers researching and bashing her. Its especially sad knowing what is ultimately going to said by LE. THEN ppl, her random fan club especially, will really be pissed I bet.

[quote]By murdering her children she would have to have known that #1 she'd be destroying her very best friend's emotional health, the woman she talked to every single day, and who would without hesitation adopt and permanently care for her daughters if she was incapacitated for any reason.

LOL, are you even real? This must be trolling. Let me get this straight---you expect a psycho-killer, who shot herself and her innocent kids, to have the presence of mind and rationality to be concerned about the fee fees of her bestie? Okay, Pollyanna.

R404, I can feel sympathy for her, but she's not someone that deserves to Rest In Peace. She should have taken her own life if she was hell bent on it, but spared the kids. They would have survived and they would've had each other.

Honestly, with all that's come out she obviously wasn't a hand's on mother. Sounds like her mother was raising her son before she died. The girls went to relatives more than they were with their her. She sounded like a selfish woman who kept having kids just to have kids and possibly keep the men in her life.

And the first picture of NO with her daughters surfaces... Head over to the brothers FB! ( I wonder if they just now found this picture because CW has returned all her belongings to the next of kin. Its a lovely picture that could have been used for her memorial.

Sorry I just don't get the sympathy. I feel exactly about her like I do about Chris Watts. Cold blooded reptilian murderers, incapable of love, probably psychopathic - at the very least, borderline. People no one would ever want in their lives - trust me, I was raised by one and witnessed the rage attacks. These people are blights on humanity.

I should have been clearer, I have sympathy for what must have been a tough life as far as teen pregnancy, divorces, losing her parents at a young age etc. . but that ended when she blew away her kids. She is no different than Chris Watts, yet she's being treated by many as a victim instead of the monster she really is. If gender roles were reversed in this case the same people who think the the bf is a murderer would believe it was indeed M-S.

R406, No matter how careful a woman may be when taking the birth control pill it's not 100% effective. Some women do not believe in abortion.

You say that, "her mother was raising her son before she died?" You're not making any sense. Nichol's mother died when she was in her early 40's. Then Nichol became a parent for her own brother, who moved to HI to live with her full-time.

Michel who was Nichol's BFF, chose to be godmother to bother Alexa and London. That she was a significant caretaker in their lives does not speak badly of Nichol whatsoever. To infer that's the case is really projecting your own family situation into strangers' lives.

R407, thanks for pointing that out. It’s a beautiful photo. I was one of the people who wondered about the dearth of photos of the three of them.

I will shut up now, and drop it.

[quote]No matter how careful a woman may be when taking the birth control pill it's not 100% effective. Some women do not believe in abortion.

We tried to explain it to you on the last thread, but apparently you have the attention span and intellect of a gnat. Birth control pills are 99.9% effective if taken property (daily). Dopey, irresponsible women who skip taking some of their pills are the ones who "oops, my pills didn't work" (duh) get pregnant.

[quote]Michel who was Nichol's BFF, chose to be godmother to both Alexa and London. she was a significant caretaker in their lives does not speak badly of Nichol whatsoever.

Uh, yes it does. Good moms don't shuttle their kids off to other people (who are not even relatives) every weekend so they can party. Nichol found a sucker in that woman. Free daycare.

I think it's you who are the one not making any sense, R410. It can be inferred the son didn't live with them until AFTER her mother died.

As per Carlos Montez:

"I remember the day I met Nichol Olsen, we were both so young that we rushed into marriage thinking we had it all figured out. Shortly afterwards her mother passed, she got pregnant, and before I knew it my stepson Skylar Nobles and brother in law Justin Sstx were all living under one roof in Hawaii. We tried as best we could to keep things together but life gets messy every now and then."

Maybe it’s a culture thing.

I know upwardly mobile Asians who have good jobs but grandparents are the child care. The grandparents live in the children’s home.

I had a Cuban friend whose mother was the day care for all of the grandkids.

I know one very wealthy white family where the kids were sent to another state to live with the grandparents for a few years. The mother is a socialite and she’s absolutely nuts and the kids are very screwed up.

Sometimes it’s normal and healthy and sometimes it’s because the mother wants to be free to do her socializing.

In any case, it’s probably better that way.

R412, I agree with your last paragraph.

Right at this very moment there’s a friend of my daughter’s who is sitting on my sofa. This kid is at our home a lot. On weekends, his mother likes to send him here for a “playdate” so she can meet up with her creepy boyfriend. I’m free child care to her, and I let her do it because we care about the kid. At our house he gets a hot meal and some family time. I know she’s taking advantage, but the kid shouldn’t suffer.

It’s a kind of blackmail.

R412 I'm sure that this is how the father's relatives felt for the daughters. Better to be with them and know that they're safe, well care for and around people that loved them. From the comments and what has been said this wasn't a recent arrangement it sounded that this has been going on for quite some time.

Seems the tide has turned. I haven’t followed this thread in awhile everyone is acting like murder suicide is a sure thing. Has there been a new development or just something you read on Facebook!

There is no news that I know of, but maybe the more vocal members of the “Charlie Did It” club have taken a break from posting here.

Red Flags For Staged Suicide is linked.

Even if Nichol Olsen was the absolute worst parent in the world there's no evidence that she's previously physically harmed or sexually abused her children. So a discussion of her parenting skills or her choices in having them spend time with their godmother or other relatives is not relevant. Why posters must interject their personal values based on their family experiences is a total distraction from this topic.

In addition statistically almost all mothers who killed their kids did so to get back at baby daddies, or because they were in financially dire straights, or the kids were totally out of control, or they had OCD extreme religious views. At the time of their deaths both baby daddies and the children's other relatives are on record saying they had a good relationship with Nichol.

R417, Websleuths' poster claimed that since Charlie Wheeler has yet to be arrested he's therefore not guilty. However they're neglecting the truth that if FBI and LE anticipate a tough legal fight with the highest priced team of attorneys in San Antonio they'd better show OCD with documenting all electronic evidence.

Note that the exact time of death of the 3 women has not been publicly released. Nor has Charlie Wheelr's alibi that he left his home at 9 pm and returned at 9 am, staying with relatives about 45 min away. All we know is the exact time he called 911 after calling his father.

Those who don't believe M - S, and including the posters who are open to a 3rd party committing the horrific crime, are waiting for future announcements from LE through the local media. Understandably nothing new has occurred in the last few days due to the focus on the joint memorials and etc as friends & family officially say goodbye to their loved ones.

Excellent study and thesis on R419 post. Interesting to read the list of common characteristics on staged murder-suicides, including:

"multiple victims and offenders; blunt force or strangulation being the cause of death; a previous relationship between offenders and victims; victims being discovered in their own home by the offender; items being disrupted in the scene but not necessarily removed; the body or weapon being arranged; evidence being cleaned up or destroyed; and no alibi being established."

The investigation isn't over and I believe the truth will come.

You have no idea what was going on in her mind R419 and neither do her friends. On pure conjecture based on what we know, one can say that she would have been in a financial crisis because her means of support was going to be cut off. Please spare me the she was financially independent argument. You also don't know if in the throes of her rampage she just resented the hell out of her kids and/or the men that have been in her life. Does staged suicide statistics include murdering two others? I am looking forward to the day this case is officially closed and it is ruled a M-S. What are you going to say then, that LE and the FBI were bought off?

R415, you sound like a good person. I think that there are definitely some cultural reasons for some to send their kids elsewhere. Like I knew a Turkish woman who sent her very young daughter back there to live with her parents. It's usually because they are working mothers and relatives are their childcare. However, I don't see the reasoning for NO to send her semi self sufficient daughters out every weekend and on holidays. The relatives seem to have enjoyed having them, so of course they would have no problem with NO. It was a win/win for both parties.

NO was an absentee mother. She did not care to spend quality time with her daughters. She ships them off so she could party every weekend. She gets rid of them for holidays too so she could spend it with her rich boyfriend and his family. She permanently got rid of those kids. When she got the chance.

But also herself. If she did kill the kids she must have had some kind of strong feelings toward them.

R422, How much do you want to bet FBI & LE will rule it's M - S? How much do you want to bet Charlie Wheeler will be proclaimed 100% innocent? I'd like to make some easy cash.

What will YOU do once it's proven you have done nothing but slander the name of a dead mother who would never, never kill herself let alone her children? Where are the copies of the medical records proving treatment for insanity or prescriptions for serious meds? I have insider info of what happened. Do you?

I also have the maturity not to engage in the very childish name-calling of countless posters and trolls on this thread. Name-calling is a clear indicator of mental illness. Ask any therapist.

Here we go again. How dare us have an opinion that the lover/spouse is the most likely suspect. You really are a bore.

Most likely suspect. Do you have any evidence that is the case here? ME stated NO is a suicide. The two girls are still pending.

IF she killed them (see? I’m open to the theory that he killed them), I feel it was a big angry spiteful FUCK YOU to him. No note needed. It’s like the “for reasons which are well known to them”

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

There is nothing she could have done while alive to totally wreck his life as she did. Totally obliterated everything.

R427, ME used to work for a man charged with massive corruption and incompetence. Also murder made to look like M - S is the #1 cause of LE and FBI overturning ME's findings.

Yes there's a lot of electronic data, cell phone records, Alexa's texts/calls during the big fight, that will prove Nichol's innocence. It will be detailed in the coming jury trial for capital murder. Also clear evidence that Alexa's father was told last Thurs night Nichol had nothing to do with his daughter's death. Go back and read the online accounts of his statements.

Tell me, why hasn't LE publicly verified and confirmed Charlie Wheeler's story of what time he left his home and arrived at his relatives? Why don't we know whether or not they were even home that night? Exactly what time did he get to their house? Did he make any calls or texts between 9 pm and 9 am except the one in the morning to his father and then to 911?

[R428]

How was she scorned?

If you have the facts that she was scorned, put up a link.

I'm willing to bet my life that they officially close this case as a M-S, perpetrated by NO. She is an evil monster who deserves every slanderous thing said about her. I don't have an ounce of sympathy for child killers.

I never once said she took any prescription drugs or had treatment for insanity, though she probably should have. "She would never, never kill herself let alone her children." Are you seriously for real? You don't know this woman and this insider info you claim is a product of your imagination. I'll believe otherwise when I see Charlie being led out in handcuffs.

R430, I don’t have a fucking LINK. This isn’t Websleuths, you know.

I said it’s my feeling that IF she did...

I don’t have any more proof of anything than you do. What I DO have is a lifetime of experience dealing with mentally ill women and seeing what they do when they’re pissed off. It’s my OPINION that this was an act of anger and spite and revenge, not sadness and depression.

R431 et al, Again who wants to lose some big money? How much are you willing to bet Charlie Wheeler gets arrested?

Also security cameras were always on, and I'm not talking about those at the front gate. The listed owner of the home, Charlie Wheeler's the only one who could turn them completely off. Exactly why weren't they working the night of the 3 murders?

Well, she certainly got the last word, didn’t she?

R433 knows all about the cameras. Which cameras? Outdoors on the entrances to the house?

If he wanted to commit a crime inside the house, he didn’t need to turn off any cameras outside (which would be suspicious). He could kill them inside the house and leave. Come back. All the cameras would show is him leaving and returning and that NO and the kids didn’t go anywhere. That wouldn’t hurt him unless he was covered in blood and that was picked up by cameras.

It’s been very quite in the Nichol fan club. Is the deranged CW is the killer still around spewing her lies?

R436 Are you one that blocked him/her? Bc yes, they’re still around.

Did CW also disable the GPS on his truck? And did he turn off his phone? Why would he disable the least incrimination electronic thingy?

Man, I wish we had more concrete info. All we have is social media and Bexar County records. They’re not... good.

SM bashing of CW you mean? The fraus are still at it on FB? R347 the best thing I ever did was block that imbecile. I don’t have to read the same regurgitated dribble.

Drivel.

R440, More Drivel? Or lots of Truth? Please read the entire Twitter page discussing a different side of Charlie Wheeler when he's very drunk. Question for Charlie's supporters on DL, exactly how many bars in different states & countries has Charlie Wheeler been led away from in handcuffs?

How much money did it cost Charlie Wheeler and/or the Wheeler family to hire lawyers to get the internet scrubbed of these incidents?

Anything from the neighbor’s cameras? I guess there’s nothing new since he sheriff hasn’t given an exclusive to the Daily Mail.

If Nichol was so freaked out / gone mad about Charlie that she would kill herself and her girls, she would have killed him as well. She had beyond ample opportunity. But, conveniently, nothing happened to him, just them. That's exactly the kind of outcome that Charlie would shoot for. Guys, you are not using your heads on this one. If you're really searching for the truth, then read up on this medical examiner, but you're not searching for the truth, so you won't.

R443 You don't rationally plan out when you're going into a rage. Charlie saying it's over and walking out could have been the thing that triggered the rage, AFTER he walked out. "Impulsivity" is a major trait of many personality disorders - psychopathy, sociopathy, narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder. I doubt she planned this out for days.

R443 All I’ve seen are desperate posts about an old ME like a decade ago. Nothing but great things about the current ME online (unless you’re only ready SM allegations).

BINGO. Read the last paragraph.

Re 446, my post, Alexa & Amazon Alexa solving the case?

What are investigators looking for? Salazar said investigators are reviewing neighbors' surveillance video, gunshot residue evidence, social media accounts for all involved, cellphone records, text messages and more.

Salazar told KTSA that investigators are also looking into technology in the home, including voice-activated home assistant devices.

On Monday, the sheriff said there was no new information to share about the triple shooting, or what investigators have learned so far.

From San Antonio press, 1/28 . . . last paragraph of news article: Salazar told KTSA that investigators are also looking into technology in the home, including voice-activated home assistant devices.

On Monday, the sheriff said there was no new information to share about the triple shooting, or what investigators have learned so far.“ (BBM: Things I wasn’t aware of before.) Wouldn't it be ironic if the home assistant was Amazon Alexa? Alexa keeps a recording of everything you tell her: Here's how to delete it

Then it would have recorded lines like (in my speculation): Alexa get out of the way! Alexa don't come near! Or Alexa don't move Alexa I am sorry I am doing it to you (BANG)I've never heard of Amazon Alexa before. Don't understand the tech

I've never heard of Amazon Alexa before. Don't understand the tech.

Think they were asked to take the comment about the supposed arrest of Charlie Wheeler on Mon down. Wonder what day we will get the positive news? I think there are mainly 3 voice activated 'assistants' on the market - Google home, Apple's Siri, and Amazon's Alexa. You issue a command starting with 'Alexa', followed by tasks like play music, switch on lights etc. With Google... you can ask a question like on other devices.

Apparently they record all your commands. Sometimes, 'accidentally'.

I think there are mainly 3 voice activated 'assistants' on the market - Google home, Apple's Siri, and Amazon's Alexa. You issue a command starting with 'Alexa', followed by tasks like play music, switch on lights etc. With Google... you can ask a question like on other devices.

Apparently they record all your commands. Sometimes, 'accidentally'. Yes, I know of someone who was talking amongst themselves about the movie they were going to go see. They walked back in the house hours later and Alexa asked them how the movie was and if they enjoyed it...

ETA: To relate this, it might be surprising what is found on such things if one was present...

Redoing my previous posts for clarity:

From San Antonio press, 1/28 . . . last paragraph of news article: Salazar told KTSA that investigators are also looking into technology in the home, including voice-activated home assistant devices.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the home assistant was Amazon Alexa? Alexa keeps a recording of everything you tell her,

Then it would have recorded lines like (in my speculation): Alexa get out of the way! Alexa don't come near! Or Alexa don't move Alexa I am sorry I am doing it to you (BANG)I've never heard of Amazon Alexa before. Don't understand the tech

There are mainly 3 voice activated 'assistants' on the market - Google home, Apple's Siri, and Amazon's Alexa. You issue a command starting with 'Alexa', followed by tasks like play music, switch on lights etc. With Google... you can ask a question like on other devices.

Apparently they record all your commands. Sometimes, 'accidentally'.

I know of someone who was talking amongst themselves about the movie they were going to go see. They walked back in the house hours later and Alexa asked them how the movie was and if they enjoyed it...

ETA: To relate this, it might be surprising what is found on such things if one was present...

From one of the comments from a friend on the GFM page, they are mourning some extremely recent news involving the FBI, sounds like they were told Nichol killed the girls.

I want a refund then.

The GFM to “help seek the truth” will now be used for vacations for her friends so could grieve properly.

R450, when was the comment from? The brother posted something a few hours ago about top lawyers won't help in God's courtroom. So I wonder if something is coming down soon. If and when Charlie is exonerated, it's in no part due to sheriff Salazar, who I believe is/was DESPERATE to find anything that would tie him to the crime. The head honcho friend had pictures and video up of all the friends happily posing with Skyler after the funeral service. I thought it was weird because nobody seemed broken up at all. Interestingly enough, she took them all down. Hmmm

[quote] If and when Charlie is exonerated, it's in no part due to sheriff Salazar, who I believe is/was DESPERATE to find anything that would tie him to the crime.

THIS.

Over-reaching, politically ambitious or careerist LEOs and DAs have ruined a lot of high profile cases. Freddie Gray is a prime example.

R453, Why didn't you post the correct quote from the brother's FB page? He was talking about a MAN & not his sister. Charlie Wheeler's the one who hired the "top dog lawyers," and Nichol or her living relatives.

Justin Sstx

Man every time I see updates it makes my stomach knot up. Mainly because it doesn’t list the POS behind off all of this! Top dog lawyers won’t help you it gods court room brotha.

R450, I didn't see any similar quotes dissing Nichol on either of the GoFundMe pages. Why didn't you post the original comment?

What will you say when Charlie Wheeler is arrested? Will you still try to twist the truth like some of the other posters on this thread?

Why is the younger daughter dressed up as a Native American in one of the GoFundMe pics?

[quote]exactly how many bars in different states & countries has Charlie Wheeler been led away from in handcuffs?

Zero

If the killer turned off the home security, wouldn’t they also unplug the “home assistant”?

And wouldn’t CW disable the GPS in his car?

Any decent hit man would have covered those bases.

“Siri: find me Charlie Weaver’s dick pics.”

Her brother posted something about messages

Does anybody have knowledge of any similar case of a M/S that was investigated for over two weeks and was determined to be an authentic M/S and not a staged atrempt?

R460, Found a picture of shirtless, barefoot Charlie Wheeler, only wearing low-slung swim trunks, waving a gun and walking around his pool. Don't know how to copy it. Believe it's on the Twitter page of the man I linked earlier.

Okay, which one of you is in the

#PRAISETHEOLSENARMY

?

That’s a real hashtag, people. It’s getting a little crazy out there.

R458, The true answer to how many bars and restaurants Charlie Wheeler has been 86'd from when very drunk will be revealed at his jury trial.

R464, Never have heard of that hashtag before. I'll check it out.

Okay bat shit loon @ R465. Now run along back to Facebook and post more gossip and hearsay. How will you spend that GoFundMe loot? A new tattoo?

R467, Childish name calling again? Please grow up if you're going to post on DL. This is a site for adults only.

NO, I would NEVER get a tattoo. I don't have access to the GoFundMe "loot."

How will YOU apologize to me when Charlie Wheeler is arrested in the next few days? San Antonio local news already has info form the Sheriff that Alexa's social media has picked up crucial info about the triple murders.

Uh, there are no photos on the Eggman Twitter page. So there goes my hope of seeing Charlie in “low-slung swim trunks”. They weren’t Speedos, huh?

R468, what information could they have gotten from her social media? That the boy who posted that video wasn’t actually her boyfriend?

I thought it was significant, but some people only have eyes for Charlie Weaver.

Sadly, r468, the only people who have access to the GFM loot aren’t sharing it with anyone.

The “truth” is coming out, with or without their money. So they’re gonna keep it. Or maybe it’ll go to NMB’s fake “charity”.

If she was such a great mother, why did she move her daughters in with a drunken, abusive, gun-waving brat who can’t be arrested?

No matter which way you look at it, she’s the reason her daughters were shot in the head.

Linked are gun shots from the actual triple murder.

Nichol killed her daughters. That’s what all the information we have right now points to. GFM will be used to get Nichol’s friends better weaves.

R473, what do you mean, “gun shots”?

For those wondering, it’s Trey Ware talking to Sheriff Scooby McDoubletalk. That man can’t make a definitive statement to save his life.

[quote]GFM will be used to get Nichol’s friends better weaves.

And facial piercings.

[quote]How will YOU apologize to me when Charlie Wheeler is arrested in the next few days?

How will YOU apologize to Charlie when it's proven, without any doubt, that coke head, gold digger Nichol killed her kids and herself in a rage over being dumped.

[quote]GFM will be used to get Nichol’s friends better weaves.

Keep giving, people. We are not at our goal. Fake tits and eyebrow tattoos are not cheap.

GFM will also be used for Nichol’s friends to take a long vacation so they could all grieve her properly.

You won't get an answer to your very logical question, R472. Our resident NO super fan is incapable of rational thought. Smoke starts coming out of her ears.

R477, What proof do you have that Nichol was a coke head? Having never, ever used drugs I'm opposed to their use.

Numerous people have said that Charlie Wheeler loved drinking, shooting his gun, frequently strip clubs, partying. Nothing wrong with that fact as long as it doesn't get out of control. Sometimes I think both were into swinging.

It’s just basically just NO super fan and Eric D that would like us all to believe that Nichol is a lovely mum and not a murderer. Most of the fraus have left the thread and went back to fb.

[quote]Numerous people have said that Charlie Wheeler loved drinking, shooting his gun, frequently strip clubs, partying.

So.....we're ALL murderers?

If the slander people are saying about CW s true, just proves the point that Nichol is a selfish woman that did not care for her kids’ well being. She always put herself first before her daughters.

R465 you clearly know nothing about the legal system. Even if Charlie had been arrested inside every bar in Texas, that would never come out during the guilt/innocence phase of a trial. IDIOTS! Or I should say IDIOT since we’ve already figured out it’s really just one NO freak.

Do people who sympathize with NO have the same sympathy for Josh Powell?

I think she was expecting to close that deal. Pinned an engagement ring 11 months ago? I wonder if she was trying to get pregnant...

Does anyone know how they met?

I read he found her on SM.

Oh, shit R487. That's a huge clue of what she was expecting. My theory on why she didn't get pregnant is because it wouldn't be as socially acceptable in her newer social scene to have another kid out of wedlock and 4 baby daddies in total. That's all I can think of because I see no other reason she wouldn't seal the deal and land18 years of child support if it didn't work out. Unless he was super careful.

R488, I'm really curious about that myself. The online thing was said by the resident NO crazy fan, so I don't believe it.

CW probably had no intention of marrying her anytime soon. He most likely had pressure from his family not to marry the trashy twice divorced girlfriend.

She’s pushing 40. She’s not as fertile as a young woman. I’m sure she was trying hard to get pregnant to lockdown CW.

Maybe she was knocked up.

It’s debatable whether she would have tried to get pregnant. It would have secured her with a sizable child support check for 18 years if she HAD has CW’s baby. Worth a shot, even if he didn’t marry her. That’s Golddigger 101. And she would have a nanny to raise the baby, enabling her to continue the jet-setting.

A woman of 37 who’s had children already has a better chance of conceiving than one who never had any. Like I said, worth a shot.

According to her friend's comment on FB - NO had her tubes tied.

I still don’t see the motive he would have for killing her and the daughters.

If he wanted her gone, she would have been gone. Since, as CW’s accusers have claimed, he has lots of money to buy influence and flout the law... he could just buy a judge to enforce a restraining order. And buy some marshals to evict her. He could have paid off some cops to make up a DV complaint against her.

Now, if SHE wanted to leave HIM, I’m not sure how his money and name would have forced her to stay. But then, there’s still not motive to kill the girls. He could have waited for a weekend when they were gone, and staged her suicide.

Just exploring the possibilities of his supposed influence over authorities...

“Women are most fertile and have the best chance of getting pregnant in their 20s.

This is the time when you have the highest number of good quality eggs available and your pregnancy risks are lowest. Fertility gradually begins to decline at around age 32. After age 35, that decline speeds up.

Women are born with all the eggs they’ll ever have — about 1 million of them. The number of eggs gradually drops over time.

At age 37, it’s estimated that you’ll have around 25,000 eggs left.“-healthline

Her chances of conceiving dropped by 75%

The odds are all against Nichol. Her eggs shriveled up because she’s old. She doesn’t come from a respectable family. Twice divorced with 3 kids from 3 different men. The oldest kid has a long criminal record. I could go on but the point is she has no chance in marrying CW. His family is for sure against that union. When it downed in her, she killed the 2 reasons she will never have the life she wants and felt guilt afterwards and killed herself.

Oh, that makes sense R494. I guess it was way before she got with CW, because if she hadn't, there is no way she wouldn't have had a kid with him. To me, the most interesting aspect of the case has never really been delved into and that is their relationship. I'm not talking FB ramblings or her friend's innuendo, but anything substantial like how they met, what the relationship was really like etc.. we really know very little about them.

R495, there is absolutely no motive to have killed any of them, especially the daughters. He owned the house, he could have gotten her evicted if he wanted her out. He has money so he could have stayed elsewhere until she was gone. He seemed to have left to cool things down, so why would he come back and kill them? I don't even believe he was violent. Not one friend has has said they have directly seen him abusing Nichol. It's all veiled innuendo. In fact, NOT ONE friend or relative has actually named him, not even in SM! I'm sure it's because they are scared shit he will sue for defamation. If they wanted "justice" so badly they would come out swinging. It all tells me they are lying.

#sicarrio

R499, thanks for posting that. What a gangsta.

[498] Dr. Monica Patel came out swinging by describing the incident in Galveston. Hotel records of the incident should be easy to check by LE/FBI.

True, doesn't seem like there is was motive, but if it was an abusive relationship with a huge fight, he might have done it in a rage. A lot of posters above were saying that about NO, that she killed her daughters in a rage. Couldn't the same be said about CW?

We will never know why people do the things they do. Why do some women keep coming back to their abusive partners? Why those partners say they love them and then hurt them over and over? What's the motive behind keep coming back? What's the motive behind keep abusing someone? We'll never know the answer. It just the way it is.

R498, while we don’t know what their relationship was like, I can imagine, and I don’t think it was great.

What we know: she was living at the house and her daughters were living there at least part of the time. She pinned a photo of an engagement ring. I can’t think of anything else.

The autopsy report (IF made public at a trial) will be interesting.

Someone on FB (I know, I know) confidently claims he has been in Aspen, and also a claim that he went to “the coast”.

If he were a POI, would he be allowed to leave the state? (I really don’t know.)

Poo at R425, you need to stop making bets on the internet. Have you coughed up all the money you owe from this thread?:

Part three and 1500 posts have convinced me the Manson girls have taken over this thread to worship a new Charlie.

The only problem with that r501 is that 1) Nichol has the DV arrest and 2) The ME has said she committed suicide, Even Salazar says that the friends will likely get the same findings with an outside source.

[quote]Salazar said Thursday that no one connected to the “Searching for the Truth” GoFundMe site has been in contact with his office. The family is free to spend the money as it pleases, whether it’s to fund a private investigator or fund another opinion from a different medical examiner, as he has seen suggested on social media, he said. “If the family and friends feel the need to do that, if they feel that they will bring them some comfort, I’m in favor of that,” he said.

[quote]He doubts a second medical examiner’s report will come to a different conclusion or that a private investigator could uncover evidence the authorities don’t already have.

anybody know what kind of gun that is that CW is playing with R499 ?

R501, she never saw anything, just took NO word and she never addressed Charlie by name. She also deleted the post. It's all fishy to me. If he was in a rage he wouldn't have left the house. The whole point of doing that is to diffuse the situation. More likely scenario is that she was distraught or angry after he left and went berserk.

R503, good question. I was surprised he, or as someone implied, his mom, was able to clean the house out. He is smart to take off, if he did. He needs to move far away from SA for his own safety. Nichol's family and friends seem like a shady bunch.

If his friend is still lurking around, I think it would be a good time to leak some photos mentioned of Nichol with guns and her with his family. Don't think you have anything to lose if what you say is posted is true.

R506, I think the Sheriff knows it’s a M-S but has to be careful to do his due diligence.

Personally, I’d do the same if a woman and children of color were found dead in a white millionaire’s home.

Leaving “no stone unturned” is absolutely the best course of action. If I’m being cynical, it’s a preemptive strike against a lawsuit by the family; against the BCSO and the Wheeler family. If they try to sue, there is ample evidence of local and federal investigation.

And just as a human being, these deaths need to be thoroughly and carefully investigated. Children were murdered.

[R508] - Could the lawyers have issued Cease and Desist order against her and that's why it is deleted?

r499, did homie study under Pastor Davey Blackburn?

Are these people for real? They haven't fleeced the gullible enough, now they're selling bracelets. What exactly are the son and fathers "mounting fees" in their fight for justice? Isn't that what the GFM was supposed to be for? This is either:

A- money for the funeral costs, but for some reason they don't want to share it. Maybe then people would see this family doesn't have the money they claim. Again, wouldn't the GFM cover funeral expenses?

B- they're going to sue CW regardless of the outcome of the investigation.

C- they are total scammers.

My money is on B and C.

Anyone else see the attachment on the handgun of CW by the pool, I’m by far an expert but looks like a silencer.

R512 - I really hope you're NOT right, because I do not see all these people putting their reputation on the line for someone who committed MS :(

R499, Thanks for your posting help. Yes that's the picture to which I was referring earlier. Note that the gun has a silencer.

Word on the street....

R515 I thought the same thing. Who has a silencer for a gun?

R510- I doubt it because they never use his name directly. It's always just the person who is responsible type thing or the boyfriend. I've never seen anything where they directly accuse him. That's what makes me suspicious what they really believe and if they are telling the truth. If they are so certain he did it and have seen abuse, why not just go on record?

R514 - I view this mostly as a money making scheme. Why would they need a GFM and sell bracelets? They haven't said what exactly they are using the money for. If there was ever a time to use it on an independent investigation, it is right now. I think the dads and son are going to try for a wrongful death lawsuit against CW and hope he settles so they go away.

R512 It was reported that an “anonymous donor” paid for all 3 of their funeral expenses. So yeah, none of the money they are raising is for that. What a bunch of disgusting, vile, opportunistic bunch of scum! Just wow.

Silcencers (or suppressors) are used to reduce noise for high powered guns and help with accuracy, such as flinching.

They are now selling bracelets for justice for Nichol. Yes, really.

Silencers (or suppressors) are used to reduce noice of a high powered weapon, they also can aid in accuracy, like flinching.

And here's the link.

That was likely the gun then whoever used it because neighbors never heard the shots.

R499 confirms, innocent or not, CW is a flabby, insecure, violent little douchebag.

Also, I can believe NO had her tubes tied. Childbirth is not fun and childbirth x3 has 90% of women saying never again. I can absolutely see her having her tubes tied during the birth of her last child especially if she had health issues during the pregnancy or eleven just because 3 kids is enough for most women.

I’m a bit sceptical if most of the posters here are gay men 🤨 Some really old fashioned stereotypes.

Info on estimating the time of death, important in LE & FBI investigation.

Yes, you are right R519. I forgot about that. I always suspected it was Charlie that paid for it on the down low. This is becoming a business for NO friends and family.

The anon who paid for the funerals is identified on another blog. If they are correct it’s not CW. I’m not going to link because I want to respect the person’s request for anonymity but it’s out there if you want to find it like I did.

NO's friends and family are grifters exploiting the deaths as a way to enrich themselves. TRASH!

R528, the only related blog I know of is that conspiracy lady Aurelia truth. My search a week ago (because I wanted to know if I remembered correctly that the funerals were paid for by an anonymous donor) has been fruitless.

Could we please have a hint?

I wonder if the grifters passed the hat at the services.

R525, I bet she regretted having her tubes tied. Any golddigger worth her salt would endure pregnancy and childbirth to get a payout like the one she would have gotten.

The donor could be a representative of the Wheeler family - I doubt they'd want their name released - that's why it's "anonymous." IF they had a big fight, he told her to get out, and then he left the house - he must be feeling pretty sad about what happened, and maybe wondering if he hadn't walked out on her, she and those girls would still be alive.

And whoever did it, we know there was a gun in the house - the silencer makes sense, to improve the feel of the gun and sound control, when you're out at target practice or hunting or whatever. May sound like a weird thing to be doing - but it really isn't in Texas. Learning to shoot (and practicing) is like driving a car down there. Well, driving a truck.

I'm glad the sheriff clarified that he didn't think a different ME would come to a different conclusion - so he thinks the ME got it right and she killed herself. (if I'm thinking of the right guy - Salazar? - like R506 said) And a report said the gun was near her body. I think any ME worth his salt would have more evidence than the position of the gun to determine she shot herself - it's bound to be pretty clear (and hard to stage unless you're an expert, like a hitman or something). Not saying it's impossible - but there would be remnants on him or his clothes/shoes/vehicle or whatever, whether a drop of blood splatter or that residue stuff.

Yup, R532. I could not figure out why she didn't and I don't think that age played a role, as per a misogynistic poster. Where I live, most women are having their first kid (naturally) at 35+. Having her tubes tied makes total sense in her case and, yes, she probably was kicking herself hard. I don't think she expected a Charlie Wheeler to walk into her life. Her kids' fathers were nowhere in the same league as him. R533, yeah, I get a strong feeling he was connected somehow and paid for it. He might feel guilty or that he owes them something since they were living in his house and basically a part of his family for 2 years. There had to be love there, at the very least for Nichol. I do wonder what his relationship with the girls was like.

Linked is an article re determining whether it's M - S, or murder designed to look like M - S.

Important point. Does anyone know if Charlie Wheeler had a habit of locking up his guns when he left home, especially if Nichol's children were present?

Strange that when you search CW’’s name on a search engine, the only Charlie Wheelers coming up are fictional characters and older guys. No mention of this CW, who is in a current criminal case. The lead CW showing up is a character from Friends. Are that many people interested in a guest star on a show that’s 15 years off the air? That billion dollar coverup page is right. That family wiped his name off the internet.

R 536 I noticed that if one looks on a general google search - specialised people can order search engines the right to be forgotten. But if I click on the news section all posts are related to this case.

It was M-S all along? The sheriff just dotted all his i’s and crossed his t’s. The best thing he did was call the FBI for help.

[quote]Where I live, most women are having their first kid (naturally) at 35+.

Oh, you sweet summer child. Fertility drops like a rock after 35.

What kind of name is that??

“Alexa is survived by father, Carlos Montez, Jr. and wife Kytheranialynn Rekay Montez; “

Alexa’s father likes marrying women with weird names. I see a pattern here. Maybe he’s the killer.

Are the CW defenders here who keep referring to him as Whealer doing it to keep his name off search engines? I’m not sure who’s posting here but the tone of posts and some of the viewpoints suggest it’s not regular DLers.

R540, I thought you were joking.

R542, do you mean all the people talking about Charlie Weaver? Cracks me the hell up.

There’s someone here who REALLY doesn’t believe that women can conceive naturally after age 35. It borders on the pathological.

Yes, it is less likely. It’s not impossible or even uncommon.

R544 Thank You, I read about10 years ago that 20% of women have their FIRST baby after 38.

I'm glad you said it, R544. It's bizarre how the 1 or 2 people here keep insisting it's rare. Yes, fertility drops and the risk of birth defects go up, but even still, woman commonly get pregnant past 35 especially these days, with or without IVF.

R545 and r545, this person regularly makes the same comments in the Meghan Markle threads. It’s kind of funny.

At any rate, I think NO would have had a decent shot at getting pregnant within the time frame she was with CW if she hadn’t had her tubes tied. It’s possible to have the tubal ligation reverses.

LE said they haven’t met up with fbi yet but just taking them their findings. Sounds like fbi didn’t even have a Chance to investigate the evidence themselves before it being presented to them by dumb dumb.

Does the half-wit bumbling around on her keyboard and typing up the “billionaire dollar cover up” actually think herself a “blogger”? That is quite possibly the funniest/saddest attempt at being influential Ive ever witnesses. And she has literally just pieced together a bunch of rumors that we’ve ALL seen on SM and claimed to have received them via “anonymous sources.” 😂 And not ONE person who has allegedly made these first hand allegations of violence or abuse has come forward publically bc they are “scared” or “intimidated” yet none of her twit friends seem to think he’s “so scary”? It doesn’t make sense. And does she think bc she has an “anonymous” blog that she can’t be ID’d sued for defamation of recklessly publishing such horrible allegations??? This shit is insane. Oh and there’s a reason most of the MSM articles aren’t naming him—because they know the defamation laws and don’t want their asses handed to them, you braindead idiots!!!!! OH—and didn’t the FBI tell Alexa’s dad CW was going to be arrested on Monday...? Bunch of shameless fucking liars. SO GROSS.

Nicole Baptiste and her friends are so trashy, using the murder of 2 young girls to scam internet morons and make some fast money before the FBI findings come out that Nichol did it. I hope they get sued for every penny they raised, the entire grifter lot of them.

R549, I asked a woman very close to Nichol some of those same questions. Specifically if there are serious allegations against Charlie Wheeler from previous GF then why don't they show up on internet records?

Response to my queries,, All answers will be explained at the jury trial. To leak any of the info re being 86'd repeatedly from specific hotels & resorts could damage court testimony, lead to a mistrial, allow the defense to know prosecution's game plan. Therefore all of Nichol's relatives and close friends are being very tight lipped re documented evidence.

I think they received unfavorable information. Their tenor has changed. Backing off the straight-up accusations; trying to re-frame NO as victim of sad circumstances now. Including controlling BF.

Response to my queries, All answers will be explained at the jury trial. To leak any of the info re being 86'd repeatedly from specific hotels & resorts could damage court testimony, lead to a mistrial, allow the defense to know prosecution's game plan. Therefore all of Nichol's relatives and close friends are being very tight lipped re documented evidence.

(looking at you child’s aunt and Nicole Baptiste). And their paid pawns and proxies.

CW has remained above board. I doubt he will sue anyone. But, these whackjobs have accused HIM of everything from child sexual abuse to strangling a dog.

FWIW, if any one tried to tell me it was between me or my dog’s death, pretty sure I would head for the nearest shelter with kids and pet in tow.

( Per NO’s friends above, she owned her own home previously & was 100% not dependent on CW. She was a financially independent woman, y’all. So, how could he force her to re-home elderly dogs under threats of death? Could she not have left with protected kids and pets in tow?)

R549, I didn't put it together when they first posted that blog, but now I have. It's totally the troll from here and everywhere. Funny how they said that the parents hated NO and called her a racist name which she heard, yet NO friend said Nichol loved them and vice versa. Speaking of which, someone on friend Nicole's FB went in on them. Nicole skirted around the issue of why she was posing with Charlie and saying how much she loved them if he was abusive. She did mention that Nichol took bible study with CW mom and sister and was livid they didn't reach out. Wtf? These people are not only scammers, but nuts. Is his family supposed to reach out to people that are accusing their son and brother of murder? Anyway, one thing it seems a lot of us got wrong is his family not liking NO. It seems at least on the surface they did. I don't believe they are even old money. They seem kinda normal looking, nothing glamorous about them.

The trashy friends of Nichol keeps changing their story to fit their agenda. Fleece people from their hard earned money. They’re all swindlers.

R551. NICE TRY. The prosecutor can’t “hide” any evidence whatsoever from the defense. They literally have to turn over every single thing in the entire file under the Michael Morton Act. The state doesn’t get to “surprise” the defense with a secret witness, etc. THAT would cause a mistrial and possibly their law license. So they (you) are fucking LYING!!!! None of that shit would be admissible in the case in chief either—you can’t get into past “bad acts” in a criminal trial except for in very specific circumstances. So WHAT ELSE YOU GOT???!

Next thread should be titled for Nicole Marie Baptiste, I dare that grifter to come here and try to keep her stories straight.

R554, I've thought my previous BF's parents really liked me,as they were so nice when we met. After the fact they said very racist things about me behind my back. Many, many people have had similar circumstances with in-laws passive - aggressive behavior.

R553, Can't tell you starting in high school how many horror stories I've seen and witnessed from women in extremely violent relationships with men who weren't even their husbands. Even women who were child free. Do you know the statistics of how often women get killed by their significant others and random boyfriends?

Yes I tried my best to urge the abused women to leave. Usually only happened when they were hospitalized and the doctors' intervened. It's called emotional dependence and growing up in an abusive household, or seeing physical violence and assuming it's only temporary and will get better.

Why do you think domestic and/or emotional abuse is such a common theme in Lifetime movies?

R558 We are tired of the lectures m/stories about ppl’s past experiences with domestic abuse, in laws, etc. Did you or any of those ppl kill your kids? Did you kill your self? If not, we don’t care. Ppl need to wake up and get pissed about what these “friends” have done here. They’ve ruined an innocent man’s life with lies and accusations without providing ANY evidence to back it up. This is human nature at its worst. This could happen to any of us that has terrible taste in partners. I will totally join the Nichole Marie Baptiste thread.

How can we post pics?

Oh please, you said they said it while she was in the house. If someone called me a racist name, I sure as hell won't be going to bible study with them. Alternately, if they didn't like her, they wouldn't want to be around her. The biggest travesty is here is that the friends took the attention away from the real victims, the two girls who lost their lives. They are terrible people.

R559, the friends won't ever use his name, they get the dimwitted to do their dirty work.

R560, just put the URL in the website link.

Ps. I'll post this again. The supposed dog that Charlie killed seems to have come back to life this past Christmas. It was a Christmas miracle.

Pics I described to y’all in detail with Nichol and the guns and dead animals have been leaked! And yes, they are exactly what I described.

R562 - there's even a pic of Alexa and herbdad at a shooting range

Theyre on one of the private Fb pages so the link wouldn’t be accessible unless you’re a member. Damn. Wish I could just post the pics.

R564- all you have to do is take a screenshot and then upload it to the site below. Then copy the link here. You can only link here one picture at a time.

She could have left but she wouldn't fit in with that crew... you know the mid 30's girls that slept thier way to the top. Several of her friends married into money. They have very fancy homes, new business ventures & love to flaunt it.

Have any of them ever thought that Nichol was just trying to fit in? If she left, she could support herself and her girls but could she live like her friends ?

Also theres going out buddies and then theres friends that are like family. A lot of these ladies seem like going out buddies or coworkers.

Maybe yall should consider flaunting your new fancy home and life a little less so that people like Nichol dont look for security in the wrong man.

All this fund raising is ridiculous

I’m going to feel a lot less sorry for NO if it turns out CW really killed that dog in front of her and the kids and she still stayed.

[quote][Can't tell you starting in high school how many horror stories I've seen and witnessed from women in extremely violent relationships with men who weren't even their husbands. Even women who were child free.

And this means what? You heard lots of "horror stories" about random people, so you assume CW is a violent abuser as well? "Ladies and gentleman of the jury, lots of men kill their wives and gf's, so we can therefore conclude that CW is guilty as charged". LOL. See how dumb you sound?

It's clear that you live a trashy, chaotic life if you're constantly dealing with scads of battered women and their "extremely violent men". That must be why you assume NO was battered also, despite zero evidence. You are 100% biased because you apparently live in a war zone.

If NO was so battered and abused, why did she not have any bruises or broken bones? Why no physical evidence in all her gazzillion glamour shots? No hospital or doctor visits?

[quote]Do you know the statistics of how often women get killed by their significant others and random boyfriends?

Do you know the statistics of how often women DON'T get killed by their significant others? Here's a hint, honey. It's well over 99.99% There are 157 million women living in the US. Every year about 1,000 get killed by an intimate male partner. Sucks if you're one of the unlucky few, but your chances of being killed by your husband or BF are almost nil. It calculates to about 0.000006%

I feel left out ever since I put that one deranged poster on ignore. I’m missing all the drama.

Here ya go.

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To be fair, she looks awkward holding a gun. But it’s proof that she has held one.

There are more photos of her with dead animals than there are of her with her daughters.

Didn't NO's good friends, who knew her so intimately, say she never held a gun?

SHe looks like she’s enjoying posing with dead animals than her daughters.

She’s posing in not one but two photos holding guns. And the glam squad said she never held a gun.

R576, there’s one friend who said NO couldn’t handle a pistol, much less anything else. This friend also talks about the guns (and silencers) her own boyfriend has (locked up in a few safes), and there are photos of her at a shooting range. This same friend also backs up the story that CW killed a puppy with his bare hands.

I’m from NYC, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, so I cannot relate to the gun culture down there. But it seems like all the people around her were into guns and killing shit.

Such a different culture.

R568, The previous poster stated that he couldn't understand why Nichol didn't leave Charlie Wheeler if she was being emotionally or physically abused. My response is that I've tried to help many women leave domestic violence situations. These included high school classmates and co-workers.

It's a myth that only trashy women end up in abusive relationships. Many very wealthy women who live idealized, drama-free lives also are victims. It only takes one incident to put a woman in a hospital. Hoping other DL posters are not as totally clueless as R568.

R568, Most women will not report domestic violence until they need medical care. Again you really need to educate yourself so you don't sound so obtuse. Do you bury your head in the sand when it comes to often very wealthy parents physically abusing their kids as well?

R587, Agreed. Under no circumstances should Nichol have allowed her daughters to interact with Charlie Wheeler if he killed or even harmed a puppy dog. Lots of conflicting stories online re which dog and what happened to it.

Also a very bad sign that Alexa and London knew to hide in a closet when their mother was fighting with her BF. I feel that there's a tremendous amount of info we have yet to uncover re what was going on in this relationship and with each one of these individuals.

There are also a few friends who say in the FB groups that NO and CW have been together for 2.5 years, not 1.5. I thought that was weird. The media was reporting that one kid was Alexa’s boyfriend and apparently he was an ex, and she was dating someone new. Alexa’s IG seems to bear that out. The media gets things wrong, sometimes.

R582, Alexa's ex-boyfriend and still very close friend made a tribute video. He's a boy that's a friend, no longer her official boyfriend.

Dating relationships often don't have a definite start if both are also dating other people. This is a minor point in the scheme of things.

R583, my point is that the news media gets things wrong.

And was Alexa dating both boys at once? The one who made the video seemed pretty invested. Possible motive?...

R581, I haven’t seen mention of the girls hiding in the closet while CW and NO were fighting. I believe it, just haven’t seen it.

What a toxic way for those girls to grow up. And they would have become abuse victims, themselves. Good grief.

Re the pictures of Nichol with a gun and a dead animal, Show me a picture or video where she’s taking the shot. Women in TX accompany their hunter men. Then the men want to take a picture of their woman, with what proves they are macho.

Nichol's holding the gun backwards. Both pictures show a total lack of knowledge of gun safety. That's the 1st thing you normally learn when getting instruction of how to shoot, and proves Nichol isn't familiar with guns.

I saw Charlie Weaver pick his nose and eat his boogers.

He also shot a wild mama boar and his girlfriend squatted next to it, grinning.

R586, do good little obedient Texas women hold guns just to please their men?

Why the fuck would a strong independent 37-year old business woman want to waste her time sitting around for hours in the dust and bugs watching her drunk boyfriend and his buddies kill animals?

What the actual fuck.

Couldn’t she have begged off with the vapors and spent some time with her 10-year old?

And LOL at the goalpost moving.

“She couldn’t have shot anyone. She’s never held a gun”

*someone posts two photos of her holding a gun*

“Oh. Well, she was holding it wrong, so she didn’t know how. Show me a video of her shooting one”

[quote]Again you really need to educate yourself so you don't sound so obtuse.

LOL, says the idiot who claims there is an epidemic of women being killed by their significant others. I noticed you ignored getting your ignorant ass handed to you in my post @ R569.

[quote]It's a myth that only trashy women end up in abusive relationships.

And yet....you know soooooo many of these women and their "extremely violent" men (your words). Sorry, hate to break it to you, but you ARE trash if you come in contact with that much violence regularly and you don't live in Syria or Afghanistan. That isn't normal. Neither is assuming a man killed a woman because of YOUR fucked up life.

[quote]Re the pictures of Nichol with a gun and a dead animal, Show me a picture or video where she’s taking the shot. Women in TX accompany their hunter men. Then the men want to take a picture of their woman, with what proves they are macho.

Oh my sides. Our resident halfwit is really spinning her wheels tonight.

The poster who keeps saying “honey” has got to be a frau!

[quote]I haven’t seen mention of the girls hiding in the closet while CW and NO were fighting. I believe it, just haven’t seen it.

Why do you believe it? Oh, I forgot. Lots of men hit women, so CW did too.

[quote]strong independent 37-year old business woman

How did this lie get started? The only thing true about it is her age.

[quote]Under no circumstances should Nichol have allowed her daughters to interact with Charlie Wheeler if he killed or even harmed a puppy dog.

Who claims he did this? Was it the same friend who said NO never held a gun?

[quote]Under no circumstances should Nichol have allowed her daughters to interact with Charlie Wheeler if he killed or even harmed a puppy dog.

Who said he did this? The same person who said NO never held a gun

New thread

R569, R590., At least 1 in 7 American women, as well as 1 in 25 men, have been physically abused. According to you that's a lot of trashy women because they are the only ones hit?

Please do not derail this thread any longer as you're obviously extremely misogynistic.

^You said they were killed. Go back and read what you wrote, dummy.

Six out of seven women ARE NOT in abusive relationships. Why don't you know any of these women, Polyanna? Are they too smart and together to want to be around you and your crazy?

R594, haha, that’s what her friends say. Nichol had her OWN money. One friend says “I am glad someone finally mentioned she had her own money. A friend already interviewed sharing that they were business partners and how well Nichol did and how Nichol was a blessing to her family, especially financially”.

R593, I believe it because that’s what kids do when their parents scream and yell.

While I don’t believe that CW killed them, I do believe that it was a volatile relationship. I have seen several of these relationships where it’s not just one person being an asshole and the other person meekly taking it. One person eggs another on and pushes buttons and boundaries. The other responds. Shouting and screaming and throwing. Etc.

She was fucked up. And I think he had to be, too, for being involved with her. It runs both ways. But unless evidence proves otherwise, I think she’s the one who killed them all.