Nichol Olsen: murder-suicide investigation Part 2

Previous thread.

I'm sick of these families that all have different last names. It ain't fittin'.

I haven't read all of the previous thread but I was wondering how many threads in before the GAY HOOKUP gone bad theory reared its obligatory head?

Gay hookup bad head often ends in tears.

London’s fathers Instagram, 2013-2018 linked. Almost every picture shows London. She was with him all the time, every holiday, Spurs games, Bahamas. He was so proud of his daughter. Nichol chose a good baby daddy.

London also had an Instagram.

Re my previous post, Here's London's father's Instagram.

I think it was murder-suicide and she was angry and she screwed him good and hard with her final fuck-you. Not dismissing the idea that there was some convoluted murder, but that’s just not as likely.

While I don’t believe Wheeler killed them, I don’t think he was an angel. He couldn’t have been that great if Nichol chose him. Her picker was broken. He probably seemed like a catch, but it was never going to work out. He seems immature, spoiled and vain. And, judging from enough comments to be persuasive, hot-tempered.

Her poor children. I can’t imagine what their life must have been like. She probably thought she was doing them a favor by moving them into that huge house with him. And did anyone say what London’s talent was? She was supposed to audition that day.

Whoever offered to share them, I’m interested in the previous addresses.

R7, London enjoyed singing. Her spirit animal was a monkey so she also probably liked physical movement or athletics.

R9 thank you. Poor kid. She was adorable.

Her spirit animal?? 🙄🙄

Something that people may not consider when they’re slinging around accusations that the ME could have been bribed by the Wheeler family, to conclude it was a suicide... corruption works both ways.

It’s just as likely that the Wheelers made a powerful enemy. It’s not as if the super-wealthy got that way by being nice. And while it might seem that it’s one big champagne party with everyone scratching each other’s backs there are plenty of rivalries. For every favor granted, there’s a favor denied.

R11, "Spirit animal" is the term repeatedly used on FB posts. London's aunt is holding a fundraiser in her niece's memory to expand the monkey exhibit at the local zoo. That's what London said she wanted when she died only a few weeks ago, relayed a few weeks ago to a family friend who took her to the zoo over the New Year's school break. The older woman had said she'd donated money to an animal exhibit for her elderly deceased relatives.

The kid sounds like she was a sweet girl, R13, but her care and concern for monkeys doesn't make them her spirit animal. Those Facebook posts sound using the term are ridiculous.

R14, it’s very frau-ey. I’m sure indigenous people have a different idea of what a “spirit animal” is, but it generally means a frau identifies with the qualities of something.

But I’m not making fun of London. She probably just really liked them and felt sad they were in cages. Sweet kid.

I’m making fun of the Pinterest fraus and their CULTURAL APPROPRIATION.

Only indigenous people have spirit animals, R13 . Why couldn't those women on Facebook simply say that the girl loved monkeys and wanted to do what she could to help them? I'll bet these people who use the term are the same types who were offended by Ronald McDonald on the cross.

Same here, R15/16. I think the girl had a heart for animals, monkeys in particular.

People like R9 are the types I'm criticizing for using the term. Native people are marginalized and the poorest demographic, but hey, they have a cool thing called "spirit animals," so let's apply it to anything we find special!

[quote]the same types who were offended by Ronald McDonald on the cross.

Ronald was crucified? How did I miss this?

To the above posters, Correctly FB posters should have said London identified with the monkeys stuck in cages, restricting their movement. In reality she felt a special affinity to them. Monkeys were her favorite animal. However this takes too long to say and especially to write. So they use the blanket term, "spirit animal" assuming most FB readers understand what they mean. English is being corrupted by those wanting to make very brief posts.

Yes, R20, English and one of the most important aspects of Native spirituality too. A spirit animal is more than an animal that you identify or have an affinity with anyway, and associating a favorite animal as being your spirit animal is a cheap bastardization of a complex tradition.

FWIW here is Nichol Olsen's mother's grave. When I googled her name, which is unusual, an old newspaper clipping came up, and McCherryl Fennell appears Black and a native Texan from Guadalupe TX. I'm betting Rick Olsen, Nicol's father (if he was her birth father), was not Mexican. However, Nicol was born in California and the CA birth records only give the mother's name. So does her other family on FB look black? That might have been a really tough pill for the Wheeler family to swallow. Whatever the case, there is lots of confusion and lots of mixed race here. But the worst part of Nichol in the Wheeler's eyes might have been their age difference.

R22, Definitely needs to be a TV Movie with all of the twists and turns of this case. Appreciate it if you could post a picture of Nichol's mother. Did she really die in her early 40's?

R6: awww, the guy seems to have been a loving and proud Dad. So sad seeing these girls so haapy and excited. I don’t think it was murder suicide.

R23 I'll have to figure out how. She's very young and in a group setting of young Black ladies in 1970. However, if you want the full TV movie experience, go to Twitter and IG and search #justiceforNicol and #justicefornal. It is all heartrending and mindbending. On Twitter the cheerleader daughter's boyfriend made a video of her that demonstrates just how beautiful and loved she was. It's put me back in the CW-Did-It-Camp. I just don't see a suicidal person having this many dedicated friends and family members. I mean, if CW asked her to move out that night, Nichol could have phoned a bazillion different people for help, and anyone of them would have been there in an instant. I know social media isn't real life, but it does provide insight about who someone is and how they life and what their values are. This case is a mess.

Updates with conflicting opinions & info:

Nichol's 2nd ex-husband mentioned they got married shortly after her mom died.

The coroner did not make his rulings w/o an air tight alibi. If Nichol has her daughters' brain matter or blood "blowback" on her clothing (most likely her sleeve on the arm that held the gun), the boyfriend's alibi won't matter. It will be undeniable that Nichol was her daughters' killer.

Unless she was standing next to the daughter when the daughter was shot.

Not long ago, Dateline ran a story about a 39-yo mother committing suicide in tiny Buffalo, MO in 2006. Her right hand tested positive for GSR and had blood spatter. Husband's hands tested negative. Her sister believed the husband did it and persuaded a Missouri State Patrol officer to reopen the case. The husband was convicted and sent to prison.

Last year the persistence of his family led an attorney to carefully review the case and they discovered the husband's robe had been seized but no report on GSR was ever presented to the defense. The State Patrol officer claimed to have never received it. He lied and had a history of lying. Test was negative and husband is now a free man.

Nichol's mother McCherryl (aka Michele) 1970.

I don't doubt that CW's parents didn't like her or their son's decision to be with her. I don't have kids but if my sister moved in a guy with three kids, two of them dependent, and footed the bill for them all, I'd think she's crazy and so would our parents.

R25, do you know anyone who's committed suicide? I knew two people who ended their lives. Many have happy exteriors and hide their deepest problems from others. A good friend's mother killed herself and no one saw it coming, not her children, her parents, friends etc....she hid her problems from the world and snapped one day. In fact outwardly "perfect" people have high rates of depression and suicide because their life and happy smile is a façade.

R23, here is a photo from NO’s Instagram, ostensibly her mother. It’s a great photo.

Nichol's friend's very emotional Twitter page honoring her friend and essentially promising justice.

There is a video clip someone posted to the FB group, for the purpose of showing CW’s body language with Nichol’s family at a gathering, playing what seems to be an icebreaker game. Not sure if I can post it here.

What I noticed most was: He’s wearing a lightweight down jacket as if he’s just arrived or is planning on leaving. He’s leaning slightly away from Nichol who is smiling. He’s waving his hands as if to dismiss something. He seems slightly uncomfortable, but then again I would be, too. It’s a small clip with little context. She seems a bit uncomfortable, too, although she’s smiling. Her family seems nice and warm and jovial.

This could all be projection on my part.

I believe that you can never tell what is going on inside a person but I also trust the intuition of friends, female ones in particular. If they are convinced she wouldn’t do it, that is good enough foe me to further investigate. Women can be violent too, of course, but I think 9 out of 10 homicides are committed by men.

This reminds me of the Rebecca Zahau "suicide". Money talks. It's a massive dark side of this country. It's always been and still is the reality. And most people know it on some level, despite of decades of whitewashing of the criminal justice system by the entertainment industry.

Of course he had a motive. As a pampered young prince surely nothing can be worse than the prospect that the MILF you picked up on some debauched weekend has ruined his bachelor house, is getting old/acting old/looking old, and her kids are getting fucking annoying. He probably wanted a "real" marriage to someone in his actual social circle. He probably "just wanted to fit in", so he made it happen.

Or, R33, she was a gold digger with undiagnosed mental health issues. Everyone seems to overlook the fact that she's the one with a history of violence.

She very well could be a "gold digger" but no one in her circle has said anything about her mental health issues, if any exist. They are calling for justice. We'll see.

R22- I think the age difference would be the least of his parents concern. I would believe it would be her having 3 children by 3 different men beginning at the age of 15 and two divorces. The hodgepodge of races she comes from probably didn't help either. Their age gap wasn't even so large, but coupled with everything else, I'm sure they were praying the relationship wouldn't last.

R31-I saw the video. He seemed very uncomfortable in the clip and I don't think he uttered a word. He probably felt like a fish out of water. You can post it here if you want. There aren't any rules against that.

They haven't said anything about her arrest for domestic violence either, R35. Right now they could be in shock and don't want to face the fact that their friend had issues so they're portraying her in the best possible light OR perhaps she kept secrets from them. Lot's of people do that too. Sometimes the most horrible things are done by those you'd least expect.

You frausleuths are all ghouls.

I find it funny the fraus are donating to the mooch brother, he didn't have anything bad to say about the boyfriend while he was living off of him, but now that his free ride is over he wants money for an "investigation". I wouldn't trust the aunt is giving money to the monkeys, either.

R39 I've never given to GoFundMe. Don't they check where the money goes?

R37 They have addressed this indirectly. Lots of comments regarding the Wheeler family hiring a PR firm to smear Nichol by dredging up past and erasing anything damaging about the boyfriend. Have no idea if that's true or not. But if you had the money wouldn't you do that? I'm sure PR firms have the connections and means to erase things. Or make them too hard to find. Maybe that's only on TV.

R40, I don’t see smearing. Everything negative about her is a matter of public record. It started with the different last names for her children. And the child she had at 15. And the two divorces. And the DV arrest.

People draw their own conclusions. Her friends and family are valiantly defending her and telling stories of his abusive behavior.

If there’s a smear campaign, I’d say it’s coming from the other end.

R33 and r33, you could both be right. In fact, I think you are.

I bet it was a combination of both.

R41, well said. I was going to say the exact same things.

I want to know if they are going to release a timeline, specifically, time of death. Did she do it right after he left in a rage, say in the morning when maybe one of the kids lit the final fuse to set her off. I still believe she had some underlying resentment towards the kids for ruining her life.

I also wanted to know if these tattoos are all real? I know the one on her arm is, but this is the only picture where I see the writing under her collarbone. Adding tattoos tattoos like that might show some recent mental instability.

Who has to more to lose at the ending of this relationship? She's essentially homeless if they break up with two dependent children. Not a happy prospect. He has to give her at least 30 days to leave but she still has to leave. It's his house after all. He just has to wait it out. He has no motive. Not that she does either but with a huge fight and possible break-up and emotions running hot and access to a gun, well, he's lucky that he didn't get his own head blown off. The friends and family will still blame him in the end even if he's cleared by the police.

Precisely, R44.

R44, and that is why I think she did it. Sometimes suicide is a big “fuck you” to the survivors. She got back at everyone; CW, the girls and their fathers, her shallow “friends”, the fuck-up son, the Wheelers, everyone.

I’m sure he did NOT expect that. Probably figured it would be better if he left than to throw her out. He probably figured she’d smash his big-screen TV or something, but not this.

There is speculation over at Websleuths that is taking an interesting turn. There were four visits by Sheriffs deputies to that house. Three were to serve court papers and one to document a report of theft.

Speculation that he wanted her out, and the papers may have been restraining/protective orders or eviction notices.

This makes sense to me.

Does anyone know if the children had changed schools when they moved in with CW? Was she about to lose a “good” address and a place in a zoned school? Maybe she was fighting to stay in a good area and better school district for her daughters.

R33, you are so off base and make no sense. First of all, this is not like the Rebecca Z. case. The manner of death was shady and there was a HUGE motive because the brother blamed her for his nephew's injuries and subsequent death. What is CW motive to kill not 1, but 3 people in his own home? To get out of the house? Yeah, a great way to get her out is to have a house where 3 people were found dead. He'll never live there again and I'm sure people aren't going to clamor to buy it.

How do you know he's a "pampered prince?" He worked for a living and didn't sit on his ass cashing daddy's checks. A bachelor pad wouldn't be located in gated community in suburban SA. Bachelor defines living alone, which he did not. A snobby, judgmental rich man would have taken a woman like this to a motel-6 and wouldn't have moved her and two kids in with him. Let's be honest here, TO is strictly mistress material. This man claimed her, provided for her and her children and now being accused of killing her with not one shred of evidence of motive. If she had played her cards right, he might have married her. Nobody moves a family in if they didn't think it could lead to a permanent commitment. The problem was TO and her apparent metal instability and inability to maintain a relationship.

Sorry, meant NO not TO.

She was only living with him for a year. Do you know what her life was life before moving in with Charlie? I don’t she was homeless and sending her girls to a shitty school. Her eldest daughter’s father took very good care of her, both he and his family saw her every week. In his pictures she has nice clothes, they are at sports events, on vacation eating out. That man was only going to see his daughter living in a shelter or a dangerous neighborhood. I’m nkt buying the narrative that leaving Charlie would have put Nichol into the poorhouse or ruined her girls’ life so much that it would be a motive to murder them.

Sorry *not going to see his daughter

No matter what the outcome is, her family will sue Charlie Wheeler.

NO had some trouble with the dad’s paying child support. Court documents show several writs of withholding for Montez and there was also trouble with London’s dad.

Interestingly, the divorce file for NO and Montez was referenced on the same day she was arrested for DV in 2014. Maybe things got better, but that was a rocky relationship, too. They can say that they came together for the kids or whatever, but that NO was no stranger to legal drama, either.

R47- doubtful. They were served last year. As of 9/18, she and bf were still vacationing together. I think it would have come out already too. I mentioned the schools in the first thread. I'm sure if they had to change schools and that might have been a factor.

R50- I asked that too. Don't think anyone really knows. Of course her lifestyle would change! She was living in a millionaire dollar house, not paying bills presumably and going on many vacations. Could she do that as a single mother of 3? She was probably working a lot more before she got with him too. With him, she could work when she wanted and didn't have to hustle as much. I think it's disingenuous to say her life and the kids lives weren't drastically more comfortable because of him. Her exs were not on the same level as him either.

A FB friend said he was controlling which clients she could take. No male haircut clients. Hmmm. I wonder if that’s how they met.

It's obvious the brother is a major leech, who would want their girlfriend's brother moving in with the 2 kids. I think CW was trying to evict him and not Nichol. It would be odd to be vacationing with your girlfriend and trying to evict her at the same time. He is now using the hate for CW to pocket a bunch of money, you kind of have to admire his grifting skills.

R55 That’s a classic abuse tactic. Regardless of who’s at fault here their relationship was not a healthy one and she should not have subjected her kids to it. Terrible example for tennage girls.

Wonder what’s the brothers story. Has he a criminal past or mental health issues that would keep him from living in his own apartment? Seems he was living with Nichole and her ex husband out in Hawaii too which is very strange. There’s got to be something off about him that two different men were okay with him living in their homes.

R57, no doubt.

I’m not sure if the brother was living there. He had a child support order in 2014, according to court records. Don’t see a divorce record, so I’m assuming he’s a baby daddy. His FB page indicates that he’s heavily into car customization (no mention of a child). He likes video games and Yeezys and cell phones and memes. He also has a 2007 marijuana possession.

Sounds like a real winner.

Her brother and son are fuck up losers. No father on her birth cert. 3 exs, in and out of court with 2 of them and then this probably abusive boyfriend. It’s amazing she didn’t snap and shoot a man instead of her girls. She was a good candidate for some female equivalent of MGTOWshe needed to learn to be single. She can’t have been a very happy or content person deep down, she was trying to validate herself and find happiness in a string of bad relationships.

I wouldn't donate a thing to either GFM, even if I did think she was innocent, which I do not. The justice for NAL doesn't specify what the money would be used for. I would assume it would for an independent forensic pathologist to verify or refute the ME's findings. More than likely, it's going to go in the freeloading brother's pocket. As will the aunt's monkey thing.

One other thing, I'm willing to bet Charlie will be paying for the funerals, which her family and friends will have no problem with.

R59 California birth certificates don't list the father. At least not online.

R60, I believe an anonymous donor is paying for their funeral/burial. Wouldn’t it be a twist if it were the Wheeler family.

And I don’t trust GoFundMe at all. Someone asked what they would do with the money if there’s any left over (?) if someone is found guilty and someone suggested it go to her son. LOL, they’ll be fighting over the scraps for decades. Nicole Marie Baptiste: “these funds will help the family search for truth”. My fat fanny.

This is not by way of blame (really), but that woman was scarily thin.

CW can't win. If he pays for the funerals or if he doesn't...if he attends the funerals or if he doesn't... Either way anything he does at this point will be fodder for NO's family and friends. NO and her family sound like losers - she, her brother and her adult son all have criminal records or have been arrested.

R65, I wasn’t criticizing him. I think it would be a nice gesture even if no one knows who did it. I can’t imagine who else would do that.

They really were a nest of petty criminals. Reminds me of the Watts case, where there wasn’t anyone to root for, except the kids. I’m not so sure Charlie was so wonderful, but I don’t think he’s a killer and he has the good sense and class to stay silent (and his friends and family, too).

Exactly, R63, anonymous. It would be twisted if one believes he's guilty. Otherwise, I'm sure he is grieving. I mean he loved these people, at least at some point. I can totally see him paying, but anonymously so nobody accuses of him of crocodile tears or some other accusation they can hurl his way.

Agreed R65, they just all seem very low class. CW is actually lucky he is out of that mess, even though it was through a tragedy.

But back to detective work: what do we think of all of them being found together? Same “common area” on the second floor. Not a bedroom, maybe a landing? The layout of the house is difficult for me to parse, based on the marketing photos.

There’s a gatehouse at the entrance to the community. I’m sure there’s surveillance footage. I wonder if they stop and question guests; who they’re visiting.

Sorry, R66, I didn't mean to imply you were criticizing him, I just meant from her family and friends' perspectives.

R65, yes, you’re right. Whatever he does will be “wrong”.

R67, he may have wanted them gone, but not like THAT.

I bet Cindy Wheeler is gnashing her teeth and wearing sackcloth. She probably warned him a million times.

Damn, this is a no new info day. So in the void it's a rag on Nichol day, not by me mind you.

If that tidbit is true about him telling her what clients she could work with, that is all kinds of bad news.

R70, oh absolutely not. I just think he is fortunate to be done with the situation. He's actually lucky she didn't shoot him too.

Ha, I thought of his mother. Yes, I'm sure she told him this wasn't the right woman for him, especiallly since they fought so often. I wondered if maybe he dated her as some sort of rebellion against his parents. Mom now has this to hold over his head if she doesn't like a future partner of his. The I told you so(s) will be plentiful I'm sure.

Rag on Nichol day, R71? The info we have right now is that she has a criminal record and that she killed herself and her kids. Why are intrested in defending her?

Cause certain people refuse to believe the facts of the case r73.

If anyone deserved to die, it was the boyfriend for thinking that beard was ok.

[quote]Let's be honest here, TO is strictly mistress material.

Is DL completely overrun with born-again fraus? Listen to yourselves, FFS.

I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt until there's a lot more information. She's innocent until proven guilty, or as close as they can come to certainty in this situation. If they can make a compelling argument when they are finished with the investigation that they do believe it was murder suicide, and why, then I will probably be able to accept that. LE has said that we aren't there yet, and they've been clear about that. If that ends up being the case, then she will lose my support for sure. These things that some of you are hanging her with seem shallow and judgemental. The domestic incident doesn't freak me out, she didn't stab anyone, and none of us are perfect. Three different baby last names....... oh the humanity! From what I can see, she, by outward appearances anyway, seems like someone that I would like. I can't say the same for Charlie. Trophy hunting is a trigger issue for me, sorry. Some of you, not all, just seem to gloss right over the negative info on Charlie. But are quick to go right back to how you are just certain that Nichol didn't possess an ounce of class. But people that knew her beg to differ.

Nicole did it. She has everything to lose if CW dumps her. She’ll have to leave her cushy lifestyle and start over again with another deplorable. I know it’s hard to think of the beautiful dead woman as a killer. She’s the only adult in that house at the time of the murders. The gated community must have security. They just don’t let anyone in that’s not a resident. I have not heard of a solid evidence against the bf besides being a hunter and hearsay about an alleged temper. The sheriff did not say he was present during the murders.

So, Eric D. you're saying we shouldn't judge Nichol, but you are judging Charlie. She gets the benefit of the doubt, but he doesn't? Seems hypocritical. The info on Charlie is suspect given that it's third hand information from sources that have an ax to grind with him. I'm not into hunting either, but that doesn't make him a murderer or a horrible person. There is a hell of a lot more to judge Nichol on than there is Charlie. Her life choices didn't exactly scream class, sorry. I have a feeling once they declare her the murderer, you still won't believe it.

NO is the killer. She’s trashy. Just looks at her son and brother. Both deplorable like her.

Is it possible CW was evicting the brother, and then, she stood up for CW,(maybe told him he had to go) and brother got angry or jealous? Maybe he felt like, "If I can't continue to have this nice scene, why should you?"

R78 It has not been established yet that there were no other people in the house at the time of the murders. That's the whole reason that they are doing an investigation. In this thread and the previous one it's been brought up numerous times how many cases that initially appeared a suicide ended up being a murder that was just staged to look like something else. I suspect that video surveillance will play a key role in the outcome, among other things.

R79 On one issue, the trophy hunting, you are correct, I am being judgemental, but it's not just based on nothing. All forms of hunting are not created equal. If someone hunts game to eat, that's completely different, I don't do it, but yeah, that indeed does not make someone a horrible person. But it changes when we're talking about trophy hunting. There is an ugliness and imbalance in the brain every person that thinks trophy hunting is something that you should do. A lot of the animals that they seek out are endangered species, and they don't care, which proves my point perfectly. I will also agree with you that we don't know if the second and third hand information is true, but someone felt that it was important enough to tell someone else. That opens them up to a lot of scrutiny, and they know that but go forward anyway. With the Charlie stories, I think that it's the nature of them that's such a concern, because, if actually true, they're super relevant. If it is true that he is a hyper control freak with major anger issues, then it becomes very plausible that it was her that wanted out and not him. The daughter told friends that they were fighting, but not what they were fighting about.

The previous home Nichole rented cost over $1,000 month. Her previous residences were also in good areas. It's not like she'd be destitute if she had to leave her BF house. Looks like both of her daughters' relatives would have taken her in if necessary.

Do we really know if the court legal documents that were served had to do with a Small Claims Court matter or a minor business issue of either Nichole or her BF?

If she canceled the weeks worth of appointments, could that not mean that she had to secure a new place for her and the girls. That's one thing that would actually make sense.

R17 Everybody has a spirit animal.

Yours, for example, seems to be an Ass

R43, I want to know the timeline, too! Did it happen soon after CW left the residence? In the early morning? What was the position of the bodies? Whose prints were on the gun? Was he rushing to get to the house that morning? What was her last contact with people?

I can imagine several different scenarios. One or two involve CW staging a suicide, because I think she did it. I’m also considering friends of either her scumbag son or scumbag brother. Why would anyone want to kill the daughters except as potential witnesses?

If there’s a trial, we should be able to hear the forensic details. If it’s ruled a suicide, we probably won’t. I’m morbidly curious.

[quote]Three different baby last names....... oh the humanity!

Yeah, that’s one thing that makes me think it’s not gay men in this thread: pearl-clutching because this woman had sex with at least four men in her lifetime.

Cute picture of Nichol and a man.

It's not about "having sex" with four, men. It's about being dumb enough to allow yourself get pregnant by three different men (birth control?), and not being able to form a stable, long term relationship FOR those children you spawned. And I believe this has already been explained upthread a number of times.

There are more photos of NO with the boyfriend and her lank-haired glam squad than with her daughters. I don’t think I’ve seen one with the three of them together.

“Carlos Montez, who lives in College Station with his wife as she attends Texas A&M University, said his family is devastated by his daughter's death, as they had a close-knit relationship. He said Alexa Montez would stay with his sister every weekend and that his sister treated her as if she were her own daughter.”

R87, Practically speaking, do you know what it’s like to parent a child of divorce (or BE one?) There’s visitation to schedule. Child support to keep track of, who’s going to the parent-teacher conference at school, being sure the other parent’s romantic partners are okay to be around the kid, who goes where on holidays and vacations, the ex-ILs and extended family. (All these things happen if you’re doing it right.)

Multiply that by three.

Move house every year or two.

I cannot imagine the upheaval and drama.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder what Wheeler was thinking, moving all that dysfunction and trashy relatives into his home.

Give it a rest r3. Gays have better taste than follow the ugly beard trend.

THIS case some of us aren’t totally convinced it was murder/suicide.

[quote]It's about being dumb enough to allow yourself get pregnant by three different men (birth control?)

Maybe she wanted to have kids, so she allowed herself to get pregnant.

[quote]and not being able to form a stable, long term relationship FOR those children

People break up. If a relationship goes bad, staying with it “for the sake of the children” is hardly ever the right call.

She wasn’t a poverty-stricken single mother, she had a career and the kids looked happy and well-cared-for. It sounds like she was on good terms with the oldest daughter’s father, at least, which shows good character on both sides.

I’m shocked at some of the Victorian attitudes in this thread. Do you all disparage men who have multiple baby mothers with the same gusto? Somehow I doubt it.

[quote]Do you all disparage men who have multiple baby mothers with the same gusto?

Yes. And it's not "Victorian" to expect parents to put their kids' ahead of their own selfish wants.

^kids' needs

Sorry you’re a frau cunt, R94.

Muriel should ban the true crime threads to get rid of the fraughouls.

So hottie Wheeler is now single. Who's first in line?

Does he need to shave the hipster beard first?

r93, I’m shocked that you think everything was just fine with those people. It wasn’t.

R98, I think he looked better with some facial hair. Wonder if he had tattoos like she did.

I like the hipster beard. Hot!

Correct r96. She’s been on my 🚫 list for a while.

I have a male cousin who has 5 children with 4 different women and he’s not yet 30. He has a crappy admin job and pays something like $20 a week per kid. Last year, his parents paid for him and all 5 kids to go with them on vacation. The kids all have his surname so everywhere he went from TSA to the hotel people were saying what an amazing dad, how lucky his wife must be. Even his mom was pissed at the double standard.

R101, rest assured that I find the men who breed indiscriminately just as gross. You are right that there’s a double standard.

Kate Winslet has kids with three different men. She’s beautiful and successful and she married the dads, so she gets a pass. I wouldn’t say she’s trashy, but she’s messy. It’s a chaotic way to live, and it’s hard on the kids.

Madonna is another.

As for men, who? Donald Trump. Clint Eastwood.

R102 There is biological evidence that women who committed to one man and bore his children improved their survival chances than the women who were impregnated by lots of different men. This is how monogamy and marriage evolved, say some scientists. So nobody expects males NOT to sow their seed. That was their biological imperative. But women? Not so much. Their best bet was hanging on to one man. I think of a Texas friend. Married money. Horrible, horrible marriage. But she hung on. Loved her kids, saw them educated and employed. Then husband leaves her for his secretary. My friend got a huge settlement, married again, and all that sacrifice with her first husband paid off. Nicol didn't get that white woman playbook. Sadly, I think her black mother and family gave her a different model.

Incorrect, R85.

Why do these threads bring out the stalking types? I don’t get it. It consumes them. They inject themselves into the story when they didn’t even know these people.

It’s some kind of psychological phenomenon. The don’t eat, sleep or work. They just obsess for like 12 hours a day for years over a single case. They would break in to the house and wear the victims clothes if they could. I’m sure some of them do actually break in to crime scenes.

Meanwhile they neglect their own lives and children. They push them away for 5 more minutes of Facebook stalking. Just one more mean comment and a then a guilty rush.

It’s some sick shit that goes on in here. more fascinating that a true crime. But alas, I have real responsibilities to attend to. And a life of my own.

I can get judgey with the best of them, but I don’t judge this woman. The first pregnancy was a mistake as a teenager- it happens. Six years later she’s in her 20s, gets married and has baby number 2. It doesn’t work out. Gets divorced. Six years later, maybe she gets careless, she thinks she’s older, she reads about is how many women her age trying to conceive and having to do IVF, she’s shocked to find out that one slipped by the goalie. Nobody really plans to have three kids all six years apart.

Toxic narcissism claims two kids by gunfire.

R87&76- As already pointed out, it's not about her having multiple sex partners, it's about her having kids with them starting at a young age. A 37 year old having a 22 year old child? Trashy, messy and not someone you take home to momma or even enter in a relationship with. A gay man might not judge a woman like this, but a straight man sure as hell would. Most straight single men in their early 30s would not go anywhere that situation. I actually was watching trash tv the other day and the 28/29 year old woman mentioned how no guy her age would date her because she has 3 kids. She started dating someone 10 years older.

R106-IVF and infertility? She was 27 when she had the youngest kid! I have to say I'm shocked she didn't get pregnant by this bf. If there was anyone to have an oopsie baby with, it was Charle$ Wheeler.

It'll be interesting if the mother's toxicology report comes back to disclose she was on anti-depressants. The combination of anti-depressants/alcohol can result in unusually aggressive emotions/behaviors. This potentially dangerous situation, combined with a failing relationship, financial challenges, existing instabilities, cannot end well.

Obsessed.

You keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

I promise you, we get it.

Freaks, the lot.

[quote]I actually was watching trash tv the other day and the 28/29 year old woman mentioned how no guy her age would date her because she has 3 kids.

The kind of people who go on trash TV shows are undateable for many reasons.

I think it will come out as a murder-suicide, but the brother and aunt are scammers that are trying to cause doubt with conspiracy theories and "spirit animals" so that people donate to them. People are gullible and want to believe a beautiful woman with kids wouldn't do this but it happens, it is not rational. It doesn't make sense the brother was living off of CW and had no issues with him, but now that the money ran out suddenly he was a violent guy that deserves to fry.

A good looking, successful man in his early 30's is at peak desirability. He can have any woman he wants, pretty much. Women in their 30's (NO was 37) are not. Tell yourself any fantasy you want, but women are at the peak of their powers in their early 20's.

This guy could have had his pick of young, attractive women with zero baggage. That he chose this train wreck speaks volumes. Either he's seriously damaged---or he's hiding something. Maybe he's gay and he chose her to be his beard?

R112, yes. It’s a murder-suicide. All this kerfuffle and online nastiness because people don’t want to believe a pretty woman would do that.

It’ll be nice to put this one to bed.

R87 Thank you. I like you back. I was thinking that all of us, the gay guys and girls and the fraus had all slept with more than four different guys.

R105, butting in and saying something mean and judgey. Isn’t it just terrible when people DO that? Tsk tsk.

Correction on my last comment ***have slept with more than four different people *** because my lesbian friends don't sleep with guys!

There may be more action here than normal because the Websleuths Dominatrix shut the thread down. Too many naughty posters. We obsessed people have to go somewhere.

R113, that point has been made 12 times now.

How many more times to you need to make that same exact point.

20?

30?

We get it.

I don't really think falling for someone is as black and white as you're making it out to be, R113. She was very attractive for any age, so I can see men falling for her. Chemistry is sometimes unpredictable. That said, it is an odd choice on his part. The age difference is the least of it, the other factors are much bigger. If she had been a childless 37 yr. old woman or had a kid or two from one divorce, I don't think people would question why he was with her as much as they are.

I think this case is so fascinating because of the relationship dynamic, but I don't think we'll get much more information. I think it'll be ruled she did it and the case will fade away.

Thread closed.

😂😂😂😂😂

R118, Websleuths is currently operational.

Linking another means if posters want to discuss this case elsewhere.

Lots of men LOVE rescuing women. Especially pretty ones. Especially men who want to dominate and be treated like gods.

Having a child at 15 is extremely trashy, plain and simple. There is no other way around it. Trash. This is what abortions are for.

The second child is understandable. She is married and trying to get a clean start. Maybe this would be here happy family.

The third child should have been an abortion as well. She never married the baby daddy. Trashy and tacky as hell.

Advocating abortion to avoid being trashy. Sounds evil and WASPY.

R125, Many women do not believe in having abortions. Birth control pills are known to not be 100% accurate.

FBI is involved in this case. They were at London's school investigating. Perhaps there were complaints with the initial findings as the Medical Examiner's have had to reverse previous cases' analysis.

Would anyone know if FBI interest is normal or is it just because this case has garnered a lot of media attention?k

I would say FBI stepping in pretty unusual.

R127 Where did you find that information about the FBI?

R129, Comment online. Not verified.

Oh Jesus are we still going on and on and on about this woman’s station? It’s been discussed to death. But you’re gonna keep on discussing it. Get some help. Close the laptop and go for a walk.

You ARE the father!

You are NOT the father!

Ok she’s ghetto. What else we got?

Why do you keep posting the same thing R131/133/etc? Pot meet kettle. Talk about stalker. If you don't like it, skip the thread. You have a stick up your ass because people think NO was trashy. You haven't said one thing about the case just about the thread. Do you have 3 baby daddies too? Move along.

Having a baby is the time-worn way of catching and keeping a man. Especially for an insecure and/or borderline woman like Nichol probably was.

Spelling your child’s name Nichol is trashy.

I think kate hudson is another who's had three kids, all with different fathers. Only married the first one.

As r124 says, those borderline women are catnip to some men. Damsel in distress is powerful, too. And the fact that she dragged her brother around with her could be endearing and show what a big heart she has.

I do have some sympathy for NO because I’m sure she was doing the best she could, and trying to make her life better. Mostly, I feel for the girls, though. Terrible.

[quote]Lots of men LOVE rescuing women. Especially pretty ones. Especially men who want to dominate and be treated like gods.

True, but this would more likely be an older man playing a sugar daddy role. For someone in his 50's NO would be a great catch. An attractive woman he would not get if he did not offer money and security. He would overlook her messy life because he's getting a trophy--someone to make all his troll friends jealous. Rich, young men don't need to do this.

I don't have any sympathy for her because she murdered her daughters (at least it looks that way). It especially hurt to read that the older girl's father said she (and London too I believe) were at his sister's (their aunt's) every weekend. Those girls would have had a loving place to go - if not with dad then with relatives - so it was outrageously selfish and evil for Nichol to kill them. If only she'd just shot her stupid bimbo self. Bitch.

Well that didn't come out right - it would have been just as evil if they hadn't had a place to go... it just was shocking to read that. Nichol KNEW they spent time there very frequently so it should have gone through her mind that they'd be ok without her.

^narcissists don't think about the welfare of others. Just the exploitation of them, R141.

Bingo R142. They don't see other people as having any value at all, unless it's in service to the narcissist. Like the way we look at our microwave. It quits working for us - and we throw it in the bin. They do that with people, even their own children.

R139- NO had to have emotional issues if she blew that golden opportunity. She caught a young, rich, handsome guy who was not sugar daddying her, but pursued a legit relationship. He might have a screw loose too for getting involved with this mess, but I digress. The fact that she couldn't make it work with a guy who provided financial security says a lot, since money is usually at the root of relationship problems. I don't believe most of what her friends are saying about him. Notice not one story about witnessing him abusing her or exhibiting bad behavior. Her friends haven't even said they disliked him. He's just the easiest one to point a finger at. I think he would be considered a great catch by most women's standards. Nichol probably represented a challenge to him and that's what drew him in. They probably had great sex, but when that wore off, it exposed their differences and possibly her craziness.

LE has reported that his sister, a dental assistant, has had BF's ex-girlfriends come to her with private messages. Reports all over the internet that BF has been in handcuffs multiple times but there was no legal record, or/and wealthy family wiped the internet. Specific incidents of repeated domestic violence WHEN BF WAS DRUNK.

DL, I know you dismiss FB stories as frau-bait. However I've never seen a case where so many have come forward with specific, detailed incidents.

R145 Do you know where I could find LE saying that? Thanks.

R146, The best site I've found with constant new info, albeit often 2nd and 3rd hand stories from other FB and internet sources, as well as locals who are friends, or friends of friends, is the following Facebook site: HBC: Crime Discussion - Nichol Olsen. A lot of the info is old hat but there are a few interesting posts and good links to videos and podcasts.

Might be frau-bait but check out this live YouTube video discussion at 7 pm PST.

Awesome, thanks very much.

So, lots of stories of him in handcuffs, but never an arrest. Okay.

I don’t doubt that he was abusive. That doesn’t automatically mean he killed them. I’m open to changing my mind, but for now I see it as a murder/suicide.

R145's comment is why I believe nothing from fb posts. The Sheriff never said anything about his sister getting messages from the bf exes. Total twisting of facts and fabrication to fit a specific narrative. Multiple times in handcuffs but no arrests or documentation? His family is so powerful they can wipe the internet of any trace of his criminal activities? I can't. I hope CW sues the hell out of these whacks for defamation of character.

Eric D. If you want to hear it out of the horse's mouth, the interview with the Sheriff is on this page. He talks about his sister at the 7.09 mark.

R150, If the GF involved at the time refused to prosecute, charges would be dropped. Then BF could hire an expert to scrub the internet of all records. Apparently this same situation happened with several ex-girlfriends. Others are describing more terrifying incidents when BF got very drunk.

There was another incident where a hotel in which Nichol and BF were vacationing had to 86 him from the property ASAP. No legal record of a lawsuit but that's very dramatic for a hotel to do that to a paying guest. BF took all of Nichol's clothes and money with him leaving her stranded. She called a girlfriend to assist, crying.

“Tell yourself any fantasy you want, but women are at the peak of their powers in their early 20's.”

Women are at the peak of their powers whenever it is when they stop giving a shit what men think about them.

*high fives r154*

[quote]If the GF involved at the time refused to prosecute, charges would be dropped.

False.

R156, Did you actually read the posted info? Laws differ state-to-state, and county-to-county.

"Dropping a domestic violence charge may be unlikely."

To the posters who mistakenly believe all women are at the peak of their powers in their 20's, Please don't generalize about what is not necessarily true. Confidence is sexiness to straights and many women don't achieve that in their 20's. Look at all of the men after still in shape business owners, lawyers and doctors who've paid off their school bills and who are finally settled in their careers, artists and writers who've finally achieved recognition.

Recent on-line dating study shows women's desirability peaks at age 18. Men's peaks at age 50.

Has there been anything new about the investigation?

R159, Spoken in generalities. There are lots of exceptions to every rule. If the poll is nationwide, remember many young women have children at very young ages especially in certain parts of the US thereby, making them much less appealing to many, many men who don't want to deal with any "baggage."

Compare to a "older" woman who's never been pregnant nor been married.

R148, Just watched the live broadcast I linked. Guest host was retired long-term NY police investigator of murders, suicides, and murder for hire cases. He said naming BF as a POI shows that LE believes that there are Red Flags in this case. Said he saw LE overturn findings of suicide multiple times in NY with experts. Implied that he was possibly learning to the 3rd alternative in this particular case.

Real Red Flag is that the security cameras for the 2 1/2 acre property had been turned off. NY retired LE said he'd immediately want to know the details. Said it's normal for LE to confiscate all of the electronic devices of everyone even remotely connected to the case.

R148, Relative by marriage of Nichol says on Social Media one of BF ex-girlfriends said he was very violent at times. Once he bashed her head into the dashboard of his vehicle. Relative also heard multiple stories of BF anger outbreaks personally.

Linked is a well-respected Texan, close friend of Nichol, with ties to a Reality TV Show. She discusses BF violent rages on her Instagram.

R152 Thank you, I listened to the whole thing.

R164, Any important points that I didn't include?

I asked on chat re Nichol's training and experience in firing a gun since several who knew her were obviously in the chat room. The answers, "none, zero experience." So emotions aside, how could she possible kill her 16-year-old with a single shot to the head? Even at close range she couldn't have missed a shot without ample evidence in the home.

This is why CW had to go slumming. Bet half that town knows all about his temper with the ladies. Trophy hunters are usually sick fucks. It was said by another ex he had chased her around the house with a gun. Would not be surprised if he did that to Nichol, shot her-maybe even by accident-and had to kill the witnesses. As soon as I heard the security cameras had been turned off, I knew this wasn’t right.

R165 No, you covered it, thank you. It did clear something up for me though. I misunderstood and thought that the dental hygienist was Charlie's sister, now I know it's the sheriff's.

Oh boy, I'm gonna love that Facebook group. They overwhelmingly call bullshit on murder- suicide theory.

R168, I'm finding it hard to deal with that FB group. Both an online friend and I have had problems emailing each other about new info posted only to have it quickly deleted. Also trying to request "new" posts doesn't really work. There's very good info and a lot of constant rehash. Par for the course, I guess.

LOL. Tranny attention whore "Dr" Kardashian @ R163 looks real credible. Of course she has "ties to a Reality TV Show."

R169 Oh well, better than nothing, but yeah I'm seeing some tech quirks as I try to navigate it as well.

Changing my theory a little bit now since I know more now than I did in the beginning. I no longer think that it could be someone that he sent to kill them. It was him. It's as clear as day. She was leaving him, and that was his way of asserting control over the situation, killing them. I think that it was a fit of rage thing. He killed them, then decided that he should go to his parents house so that he could say "oh I wasn't even home, I was far, far away", then came home and called his dad to ask what he should do next. Then called the authorities and said "oh man, there are dead people in my house, I don't know what's happened here BECAUSE I WAS GONE".

I just pray it's true that the FBI has come in, because his family will not be able to buy off the FBI. We don't need another OJ type complete miscarriage of justice.

When will they release the bodies for a proper funeral ?

DL, For those of you who are convinced it's M - S, can you please explain how a woman who's never fired a gun before can accomplish that fact with a maximum of 4 shots? Doesn't that sound a little suspect to you?

When was the cameras turned off? Was there a camera at the gated community’s front gate where a security guard should be stationed? Who’s gun was used? When did the brother moved out or was he still living there at the time of the murders? There is just not enough details yet.

Who would be in a position to know that the woman had never fired a gun? Even if she told someone that, maybe she was lying. (and it's pretty darn easy - when I was 15, someone showed me a pistol and said to pull the trigger and the first time, I aimed it and shot a target). It ain't rocket science.

They all want to believe that this woman can’t do no wrong therefore is incapable of killing her kids and herself.

Is it normal to take this long for gunshot residue results to come back?

I have stayed in a gated community in a vacation rental. You have a code for the gate but it wasn’t manned. The homes were not surrounded 360 degrees by walls/fences either. In fact you could enter the development from the back by just walking through a grassy area on the side of the road. There were cameras at the entrance but probably not around the back. I didn’t necessarily feel more secure. It was mostly just annoying trying to have anything delivered. I would think that enough homes would have cameras outside that footage from neighbors would capture anyone who had got onto the property on foot.

It really shouldn't take this long to wrap this case up.

What’s the point of living in a gated community when anyone can come in through the back? He paid over 1M for that house with no security at the front gate? I’d ask for a refund if I were him.

NO did it she was about to loose her meal ticket and went psycho. She probably has bpd.

Someone doesn’t just at a spur moment to kill her kids and then herself. There has to be some kind of warning signs.

R154 for the win.

Okay, you hookers have made me change my opinion yet again. He could have done it.

I’d really like to see more evidence. Know time of death (was it 10:00pm or 8:00am?) Tox screen, GSR, position of bodies, etc.

I do believe there is actually a person at the entrance to their gated community. There was a photo of a little gatehouse in one of the stories. There was also a comment from a former security guard who said how nice she was. The cameras being turned off is very fishy. There is a fence at the rear of their property, but fences can be jumped, I suppose.

I don’t believe she’d never held a gun before. It’s Texas, for fucks sake, and she had several unsavory men (one with a deadly weapons criminal charge) very close to her. I’d be very surprised if she never held a gun.

R183, Many people who suicide don’t give any warning. That’s why it’s so devastating. What people are really upset about is the girls.

If I’m thinking she did it (and I go back and forth because we aren’t privy to forensic evidence yet), there’s an element of “fuck ALL of you” to it. If she killed them, everyone’s looking at the jerk boyfriend. His life is in shambles and he will never recover his reputation. She could have let the girls live, but why let the baby daddies have them? The men were content to let her raise them, didn’t fight her for custody. In fact she had to take them to court for child support. Fuck those guys, too.

Also possible that the boyfriend killed them. The cameras didn’t record anything. Now, we don’t know if the cameras were off, or broken or if they even existed in the home. After the “reported theft”, you’d think the homeowner would have some damn cameras.

Depending on the location of the bodies, and their positions, we might see them huddled together behind a sofa, trying to hide from the raging boyfriend. There might be DNA from when he positioned her to look like she’d shot herself in the head.

Whatever happened, those poor girls must have been frightened out of their wits.

R170, The Native American woman you're calling "a tranny attention whore" is an extremely well-educated and trained cardiologist. Not all of her pictures show her wearing a significant amount of makeup, however in TX women tend to overdo such things.

R175, The security at the front gate was fully operational. We don't know when or why the cameras on the 2 1/2 acres grounds and home were turned off, and if this had happened before. LE at this point believe BF's gun was used.

Unknown if the brother only used BF's home as a permanent address while living elsewhere, or when he moved out.

I just remembered that the poet Ted Hughes had two women kill themselves because he was such a shit to them/they were disordered. We all know about Sylvia Plath. His mistress and baby mama, Assia Wevill, killed their daughter and herself. She used sleeping pills and an oven, not a gun.

R176, I've never shot a gun before. I know I couldn't pick one up and kill 2 people with 3 shots to the head and neck. Then use it to shoot myself in the head.

Nichol had very, very close friends. She didn't have sisters and her parents were dead so her friends were a strong support system in her life. They have reported a lot of personal details about her online. TX is gun culture so her friends would know if she'd never handled one before, especially when she talked about her BF love of trophy hunting.

We don't know if there were cameras inside the house! I have read there weren't any inside just the outside.

And, if they were all turned, maybe SHE turned them off.

R178, It's not just gunshot residue testing that needs to be completed. All electronic devices of Nichol, her 2 kids, BF, close relatives, and anyone else LE can think of have been confiscated and need to be thoroughly searched and examined. There are a number of POI to be interviewed. Tons of tips are being called in by everyone who knew any of the parties involved.

R182, Nichol's friends say she was the one who wanted to end it. Alexa's father said he wasn't comfortable having his daughter stay in situation where there was occasional tension. He always spoke of Alexa and London as sisters and a family unit with Nichol.

The home Nichol rented before moving in with BF cost over $1,000 month. She certainly wasn't destitute and could easily have found another place. She was making a substantial living and both of her girls' fathers and relatives were generous. She exchanged care taking with them as well as with her other relatives and friends.

If you look at Nichol's entire emotional and financial support system and compare it to most women, you'd envy her for that fact alone.

R191, in my “fuck ALL of you” scenario (to which I am not wedded), leaving doubt as to what happened is the twist of the knife.

Of course, the killer in my “not Nichol” scenario wouldn’t want any video either. If it were the BF or an agent of the BF, he’d have disabled the cameras.

And as r192 points out, there may not have been any inside. We have a house out in the middle of nowhere, extremely safe and wealthy little town. We do have a Ring doorbell camera, but there’s no reason to have anything else. If the boyfriend were a paranoid control freak who didn’t want her even cutting other mens’ hair, I assume he’d have more surveillance.

Just thinking aloud.

R186, Nichol was in a custody dispute only with one of her baby daddies, London's father whom she never married. London's aunt has spoken glowingly of Nichol and accused the BF of murder. London's father has made a statement of support.

Alexa's father was on extremely good terms with Nichol, and immediately gave an interview to the media.

R191, Nichol wasn't the homeowner and only he can/could turn off the security cameras. She wouldn't have the private codes.

If it turns out that CW had nothing to do with the murders, I hope he sues them all for defamation.

I’m sure she’d have the codes. She’s been living there for mire than a year.

More ^^

The girls went to school in separate school districts so it seems like she didn’t move them to new schools which makes sense because she was only living with CW for a year. So there goes the theory that she was using CE to get her kids a better education.

Her previous 2 addresses are a nice apartment and a very nice house. The house is not a gated community $1M house but it’s a large home in a safe, middle/upper middle class looking neighbourhood. The addresses are on WS and you can google map them.

I’m not buying the idea of her desperately clinging to CW to avoid going back to a grimy working class life. If the allegations of him being controlling and an abusing drink are true she certainly has issues for staying and was in an unhealthy relationship.

R195, I’m not terribly impressed with Alexa’s father. NO had several writs of withholding on him (wage garnishment for child support). He said this: “Even to this day, our relationship as ex-spouses was great," he said. "We never fought our argued when it came to Alexa. I never doubted her choices as a mother. She always made great decisions."

AND THEN

"I know, and I can say, that Nichol could not have done this," he said. "The home she was living in, we just feel it wasn't a great place for our children to have been loved."

She made great choices? Moving her kids into an abusive home? And while he’s living far away from her so his new wife can attend college? WTF with this “family”? At least Alexa was able to spend weekends with her aunt. Hopefully that was a refuge for her, because the adults in her life were shit.

Was this new wife college aged or is it normal for a woman his own age - 35-40 - to go back to college full time and not work?

R200, her previous residences were very nice. She provided lovely-looking homes for them. And the girls looked very well-groomed and nicely dressed. I’ve not read anything negative about either of the girls.

No one has said anything negative about the son, but I have inferred that he was... troubled. Rap sheet, mug shots, nothing but trouble.

There was one comment from a guy who knew NO in high school and the worst he could say about her was that she was stuck up. It was a bit “incel”. I’ve never read anything bad about her. I can infer a few things about her, but I don’t think she was a bad or malicious person. I wouldn’t think she’d ever kill her kids or herself.

The boyfriend strikes me as an arrogant douchebag, but not a child-killer.

Honestly, I can’t see any one of this crew shooting a child in the face.

R202, looking at his FB page, she seems to be his age, and I’d guess she’s an adult going back to school. Now I am sorry for being a dick about that.

It has to be difficult to be torn between supporting your wife in her aspirations and being there for your teenage daughter. (Who was in a bad living situation.)

At least his sister was able to provide a little security for Alexa. Wish she’d been at her aunt’s instead of at home with the killer.

“They all want to believe that this woman can’t do no wrong therefore is incapable of killing her kids and herself.”

Not at all. Fact is that men are about nine times as violent as women and in most cases when a woman in a relationship ends up dead by violence, it’s her partner’s fault, so the odds are high.

R187, what are you talking about? Dr. Patel isn't Native American. Did you just make that up for some reason, or did you get misunderstand something?

R136 - absolutely agree about the spelling of her name. (Nichol) she was total trash from the beginning. I grew up in Boerne, Texas where this happened and spent the first 16 years of my life there before escaping to the big city....nothing like this has ever happened here and trust me, those local folks will keep the horrible secrets about what really happened.

R136, r207, I’ve never seen it spelled that way before. Only “Nicole”. I’d expect “Nichol” to be pronounced “nickel”.

There is also the trashy Nichol Kessinger, who was Chris Watts’s mistress. And Shanann’s friend Nickole.

Kre8iv spelling is trashy (beyond Catherine/Katherine or Anne/Ann).

R190 you extrapolate too much to fit some narrative in your head. Toddlers get hold of guns and shoot their siblings - haven't you heard those stories? The first time I held a gun I could easily have shot two people and then myself - I nearly hit the bullseye on a target.

Murder/Suicide

37 year old, covered in tattoos, biceps like a body-builder, brother's a tag-along sleaze, grown son with long rap sheet, three baby-daddies among probably dozens of boyfriends, many likely rough-and-tumble types, likely from wrong side of the tracks herself, has a domestic assault charge fairly recently - and yet this delicate little lady has never put her paws on a pistol? Yeah right.

I was a strong believer in the obvious murder-suicide theory behind this but the suspicions raised about the bf's violent past (and that inoperative security camera) has given me pause. I think the DL sloths may be onto something.

sleuths

^You were right the first time.

Everything about the bf is rumor and innuendo. It wouldn't surprise me if he got violent, but who really knows since none of the people are actually talking to the public, allegedly they are talking to her friends, one a reality TV show attention seeker. I don't believe she never handled a gun before, the family and friends don't want to accept the truth but if the bf is guilty why not let the appropriate people do their jobs instead of all these baseless accusations on FB. How do we even know that the cameras weren't working?

I don't get why strangers on the internet are so certain what happened, I suspect the family and friends are trying to rile people up to get donations since the boyfriend is no longer footing the bill. When this does come out as a murder-suicide, watch these people slither away with the GFM money.

Are cameras inside a house the norm now? I had no idea. Where inside do people have cameras pointing? The common areas? Bedroom?

Popular “crime scene investigation” television programs are able to complete toxicology reports in a very short (and unrealistic) time frame.

However in reality, while an autopsy is usually completed within a day or two after a death, the final results of the toxicology report may take four to six weeks or longer."

Stories of FBI involvement are running rampant. Seeking indisputable proof. Would mean there's possibly more to this crime that's on the surface, such as murder for hire or drug involvement/sales on some level.

Has the FBI involvement confirmed?

R206, I stand corrected. Dr. Patil is American, Indian origin and not American Indian. Still there aren't millions of cardiologists who are women. To call her a "tranny whore" is extremely misogynistic. You must have deep seated anger issues to do so.

Dr Patel looks like a tranny but I don’t know her well enough to judge her as a whore.

R219, once again, you're wrong. I didn't call her a "tranny whore," I asked you why you said she was Native American.

No one called her a whore, hon. Attention-whore. Big difference. And not many reputable doctors try to seek fame on reality T.......even fewer try to get attention by leeching off the tragic death of an acquaintance whose body is still warm.

^^TV

R220, Please tell me you're not one of those internet types who call almost all actresses and actors and those in the media "trans." Are you supporting all of the videos online making those crazy claims?

R218, FBI involvement has not yet been admitted by LE. However there are stories on the internet that family members and friends have requested their participation. Also reports FBI has been to London's school. Seeking independent confirmation currently.

I would not want to be treated by any reality tv show doctor. Even if they were brilliant, their ambitions lie not in patient care but in fame whoredom.

Exactly, R225.

The Dr. story was reported in the last thread. It's a one sided account. I doubt Nichol was so innocent in the encounter and she ran back to him the next morning.

The bf is probably cleared. Where I live cameras are all along the roads and highways. I'm sure they've corroborated his whereabouts with the footage. Notice they have zero suspects? If there was a killer on the loose they wouldn't be taking their sweet time. Anyone they talk to they call a POI. If the family was serious about hiring an independent forensic psychologist, they would do it now, while the bodies are still available for examination. What exactly are they waiting for? Isn't that what her "doctor" friend should be focused on and not Instagraming?

Who the hell doesn’t know that “Patel” is an Indian (from INDIA) name?

Sorry. That just boggles my mind.

Patel. It’s like “Smith”.

^^Our resident Nichol super fan isn't the brightest bulb.

R212, I'm with you. As a DL sloth (good one, lol), the camera being turned off is suspicious as hell. The only reason those two kids got popped was because they were witnesses to something. Nichol might have been high strung but I'm having a hard time believing she would take them with her.

It's just so hard to believe that CW could clean up/move bodies without leaving a huge amount of evidence that would be obvious to investigators. It's hard to think on your feet if the killing of Nichol was spur of the moment. If the friends and family are correct, the detectives are building their case carefully and methodically. I got to give CW a little credit since he hasn't been arrested over a week out now. The other CW - moron Chris Watts - was already used to the rhythms of prison life by now in his case.

*Forensic pathologist

Exactly, R228, and R187 was soooo insistent that Dr. Patel is Native American. She made that up in her own head so what else is she making up here? She's probably the same murderfrau upthread who said that monkeys were London's "spirit animal." Such nonsense.

The family is using their GfM for their next vacation.

R232- that poster is the rabid Nichol defender, that's her post at R145, which is proven to be full of lies.

Can someone give me a quick update? I've been away from this thread for a few days.

Any arrests or definite statements?

R230 They are building their case against him, and they aren't sharing any of it with us, which is actually a good move and I understand it. It puts a false perception out there that there isn't anything happening. Most murderers make mistakes that trip them up in the end, and I hope that's the case with Charlie. All that he needed to do is take a good shower and permanently get rid of the clothes that he was wearing when he shot them. He probably achieved that somewhere along the way in his spontaneous trip to his parent's house. We will never find any gunshot residue on him even though there was a lot at the time.

Yeah, R234. She's obviously making stuff up as she goes along. The rabid defenders here are more interesting to me than the case itself. I wonder what their motivation is?

R237- 'the building the case" posts make laugh. The bf hasn't even been arrested nearly 2 weeks later. A case is built when there is going to be a trial. There is no case. This case isn't as tricky as LE is making it out. All the puzzle pieces are already there. Unlike the CO cases, no one went missing first. I don't know why it's do hard got some to accept this woman killed her kids. She had a lot of red flags in her background that indicates it's not that far fetched. I think some are always looking for a conspiracy theory and I also believe the bf represents a type of male that sets off triggers for some.

The only people that should be listened to are people that knew/know those four people. Those people are talking now and they have a lot to say. Some people on here just are not listening to what's being said because it messes up their narrative. As far as I can tell, people only have nice things to say about her and who she was, that matches the way she looked, you are hard pressed to find pictures where she isn't smiling, same with the girls. People are not saying nice things about Charlie, quite the opposite. Guys that are controlling in relationships do kill their partners. They were not in a good place in their relationship and she had made the absolute right choice to get herself and her daughters out. She did not need his money, nor did she need his crazy shit. She has taken good care of herself and her kids all their lives. When people that know say that she would never do something like this, they mean what they say. Uniformly, every single person says that she would NEVER harm her girls or herself. You say there were red flags with her and that she was cracking up. No, she wasn't. This is stuff that you made up in your head that you're trying relentlessly to push onto her. It has no relationship to the actual woman that we're talking about.

The people that are saying “good things” about her are her family and friends. Did you expect them to say bad things about the dead?

One Red Flag that cannot be discounted is why the Security Cameras were turned off during the timeframe of the deaths.

I can't think of a reason why the GF would turn them off to kill herself and kids inside the property. It serves no purpose.

However, if the BF turned them off, that would allow a hired killer with the key to the property to come and go.

R228, I wouldn't know the last names of anyone of Indian extraction. Reading her Instagram when I was half asleep, still recovering from a serious virus and leg injury, I misread "American, Indian" for American-Indian." Sorry.

I don't know the details of her Reality TV Show connections. I refuse to dis people just because they want to be role models for minority women. Many who don't live in big cities, ie Reality TV Show viewers, would be very surprised to meet a woman cardiologist, especially one who's not Caucasian - European. Know my previous excellent doctor started conducting research studies rather than staying in private practice as a GP due to prejudice & racism.

Certainly wouldn't compare a cardiologist to Dr Phil. Do you also dis Dr Keith Ablo? Have great respect for the latter.

r241 They weren't turned off. According to the sheriff, they are examining any and all security camera footage, he only said there was no footage INSIDE the house and a poster is running with it to fit their own narrative. Who the hell has cameras inside their house recording everything anyways? I even put tape over my computer camera.

Here is an interview with the sheriff so people can stop lying about it.

I’m sure the neighbors have security cameras as well. They’re probably looking at those also. But how long does it take to watch the footage from those cameras? How many are investigating this case? Two people?

[R243]

I know there are no cameras inside the house. I'm not referring to cameras inside the house.

I'm referring to the cameras that ARE outside the house. That's why it would make no sense for the GF to turn those off. It serves no purpose to her if she did the killings.

Alexa's father said the following to a reporter, "The home she was living in, we just feel it wasn't a great place for our children to have been loved." Note he includes London along with Alexa.

Nichol should have removed the 2 girls, if not herself, from an environment that apparently wasn't peaceful. The fact that London's aunt openly blames BF for the girls' deaths, despite prior wrangling over child support which included court appearances between her brother & Nichol, to me is very telling.

LE has stated Nichol is connected to the majority of people locally and was very well liked.

Some people do have surveillance cameras in the house. There was a guy in Silicon Valley who screwed himself by having footage of himself abusing his girlfriend. The question has been asked about whether there are cameras in the house, it just hasn't been answered. We will find out later When LE speaks. I believe there's a camera at his driveway gate and one that covers his driveway. I don't know how useful those would be even if they were on. I would think that y There are neighborhood cameras up on the street light post.

R239, you talk like you know her. I don't deal with hearsay posted on FB or message boards of what someone's cousin's friend's mother heard. I deal with facts.

Fact: Nichol's death was ruled a suicide Fact: Nichol's daughters' deaths were ruled homicides Fact: Nichol's son has a long rap sheet Fact: Nichol was pregnant at 14 and her kids all had different fathers Fact: Nichol has a string of failed relationships Fact: Nichol had a domestic violence charge against her Fact: Nichol moved her children in with a man after only a year or less (a supposedly violent, controlling man)

Hearsay: Charlie chased his ex gf around with a gun Hearsay: Charlie was handcuffed multiple times Hearsay: Charlie's family had the internet wiped Hearsay: Charlie turned off the house cameras Hearsay: Charlie was controlling Hearsay: When Charlie was a drunk he became violent Hearsay: Nichol was leaving him Hearsay: Nichol took great care of her kids Hearsay: Nichol made a lot of money and supported her kids well Hearsay: Nichol was had no mental illness issues Hearsay: Nichol never used a gun

R239, you talk like you know her. I don't deal with hearsay posted on FB or message boards of what someone's cousin's friend's mother heard. I deal with facts.

Reposting for editing.

Fact: Nichol's death was ruled a suicide

Fact: Nichol's daughters' deaths were ruled homicides

Fact: Nichol's son has a long rap sheet

Fact: Nichol was pregnant at 14 and her kids all had different fathers

'Fact: Nichol has a string of failed relationships

Fact: Nichol had a domestic violence charge against her

Fact: Nichol moved her children in with a man after only a year or less (a supposedly violent, controlling man)

Hearsay: Charlie chased his ex gf around with a gun

Hearsay: Charlie was handcuffed multiple times Hearsay: Charlie's family had the internet wiped

Hearsay: Charlie turned off the house cameras

Hearsay: Charlie was controlling Hearsay: When Charlie was a drunk he became violent

Hearsay: Nichol was leaving him Hearsay: Nichol took great care of her kids

Hearsay: Nichol made a lot of money and supported her kids well

Hearsay: Nichol was had no mental illness issues

Hearsay: Nichol never used a gun

She’s guilty. Rip killer mom.

R246---Why do you base your judgement about what occurred on the ravings of an ex-husband and some loony aunt? Neither were living with them. Neither one knows jack shit. It's just useless speculation like anyone else's. And WTF does it matter that the whole community thought she was "nice"? Everyone thought Ted Bundy was a swell guy too. Lastly, you say in all her pictures she's smiling so she must have been just peachy? LOL. Oh my sides! You must have been born yesterday if you think people's smiling SM photos tell you any thing about what's really going on in their lives.

Thank you, r248.

[quote]When people that know say that she would never do something like this, they mean what they say

Fess up Eric. Your real name is Erica and you're 13y/o right?

[quote] If there was a killer on the loose they wouldn't be taking their sweet time.

But, as decades of tv-watching show, they do take their time when they know who the killer is, know that he is not a threat to the public, and want to be careful about gathering evidence.

You guys are hopeless. I'm aware of all that drivel because it gets rewritten on here nearly every day. The medical examiners ruling has no bearing on what LE is doing. It will not stop them from bringing murder charges if they find them warranted. I'm not moving you, I get it. I'm fine with it and super happy for you. Some other people, to their credit, are starting to re-think things.

R254 Thank you.

r245 But according to the sheriff, they are reviewing the security cameras, there is nothing stating any cameras were turned off, which is what people here keep using as a red flag that the boyfriend did it. You keep twisting what is actually being reported to fit what you want to have happened.

Eric D. Everything you say is based on speculation. You haven't refuted anything or made a valid argument for why you believe that mom didn't do it and boyfriend did. You said CW probably did it, then went to his parents house. Can you explain how he wasn't caught on camera anywhere along the way? Everything else you say is assumption based on what you saw in pictures and posts by her obviously biased friends. I can make the assumption that she wasn't very connected to her daughters because I haven't seen one photo of her with them. In fact, there are more pictures on her Instagram with the boyfriend than her kids. If you can give me a convincing argument based on facts on why she didn't do it I would reconsider my belief that she did. So far you haven't done that.

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Alexa was beautiful and looked 28 not 16.

Killer mom was probably whoring her daughter to the highest bidder.

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R262, R263, I'm trying to link a media article and having tech issues. Sorry for the re-post.

R257 When LE says that they are looking at surveillance footage, they mean any and everything that they can get their hands on between Charlie's house and his parent's house. They already know the answers to the questions about cameras in Charlie's home, but since they aren't revealing anything about what they've found, it's just us that are left in the dark.

R258 A lot of speculation is pretty much all that we have to work with right now. My starting point was that I thought it preposterous that this person killed herself and her kids, and then I just worked from there. There is nothing that indicates that she killed herself or the girls. I said in a post a while back that any bullet wound/trajectory through the body/proximity to the body that can be produced with a self-inflicted gunshot wound can be reproduced exactly with someone else holding the gun in the same spot. Why is there that conventional wisdom that it's usually the spouse or significant other? Because it usually is.

Find me a case of a mother who killed her child(ren)

-who wasn't insane (Andrea Yates - psychotic)

-getting back at the children's father (Susan Smith)

No, you can't and this woman did not kill her daughters.

I’d like to know why Nichol is considered a mess while CW is called successful. Having a business when your family is loaded does not make you a success. It means your family bought you a business. There’s a reason why a working mother of 3 was his girlfriend. Something about him was very undesirable.

How do you know that, R265?

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Another...

Here's an old one.

Well r279 has the most evil of eyes so that doesn’t surprise me.

Another recent murder-suicide.

R264- there is a huge indication that she did it, her death was ruled an suicide and the girls homicides. That's a strong to bit of proven evidence.

R265- here you go and there are plenty more. You have no idea what was going through NO's mind. Perhaps she was fed up with her bf or revenge on her baby daddies. Maybe she was on drugs or drinking that night, maybe she resented her kids. Nobody knows. So unless you're a psychic, don't claim as fact that you know if she did it or not.

R266- because he's never been arrested, never had a DV claim against him, doesn't have a gaggle of children by different women, has a successful business, bought a million dollar home and provided for children that weren't his. If anything points to him having issues it's because it wasn't exactly smart to get involved with this woman and her leeching, criminal family.

I also think they need to get rid of the idiot, attention seeking Sheriff. Never saw a LE official talk to the media more than this guy. He loves being the center of attention and stirring things up.

R266, she’s considered to be a mess because her picker was broken and she chose shitty shitty men her whole life. Her personal life was a fucking disaster. Sadly, her kids paid the price.

Now let’s find stories where women’s boyfriends kill their children.

Has anyone found a photo of her with her daughters? Someone upthread mentioned it, and wow. I can’t find a single photo with her and the two girls. Plenty of her and her boyfriend. And the glam squad. And the son.

Not one with the girl/s, yet.

I think CW may be a closet gay. His PR team is working overtime on this site.

R268, R269, R270, In all of those cases the mothers were completely overwhelmed and lacking a solid support system. Nichol had 3 kids, 8 years apart which is much easier to handle. Her son was out of the home. She had a steady and growing source of income, many girlfriends and baby daddies' relatives with whom she exchanged babysitting duties and care.

Both families were going to take their daughters are expensive vacations summertime. The 16-year-old was getting a car from her father, meaning even less dependence on her mother.

Look at the photos of the 3 women linked. Then consider a woman who really worked out, met girlfriends for yoga, stayed in top physical shape. Do you really, really think she'd be depressed if she broke up with her BF? I bet she's got plenty of male admirers of all ages.

Personally I don't care for tattoos, especially not on women. Many rugged men thin, differently. Nichol is hot.

[quote] Now let’s find stories where women’s boyfriends kill their children.

No one here is debating that, R274. Someone above asked for examples of women who murdered their children.

Here's another murder suicide.

[quote] Look at the photos of the 3 women linked. Then consider a woman who really worked out, met girlfriends for yoga, stayed in top physical shape. Do you really, really think she'd be depressed if she broke up with her BF? I bet she's got plenty of male admirers of all ages

Wow, really, R277? Because she was attractive she couldn't have had mental health issues??

It was talked about in the other thread that sometimes they have to go back and change cause of death and most of the time when that happens it is with suicides that were later determined to be homicides. LE said that it remains to be seen if there was a suicide.

R275, Of course there are multiple pictures posted online of Nichol with her children.

I'd like to see links where very attractive mothers who've committed M-S, with solid financial resources available to them (in an emergency both girls could have easily lived with their baby daddies and relatives,) and who were working a steady job. Obviously Nichol chose her place of employment because she got steady customers plus flexibility for her kids. Was she doing side gigs, private hair and makeup styling for her friends and acquaintances, tax free, and very well-paid too?

No way was Nichol overwhelmed by her responsibilities as mother and caregiver. No way did Nichol see her BF as the only available man. No way was Nichol facing declining looks & visual appeal to men despite what DL might think.

R279, Don't be silly. You know that's not what I said. Go back and look at all of those pictures of the mothers who committed M - S, and then compare them to vibrant, happy, Nichol with lots of friends. Sure women who have a very happy, beautiful exterior may feel worthless inside. Usually it's because they don't have anyone they can trust, fully rely upon, feel a connection to in some way. Or they have a serious underlying health concern.

[quote]In all of those cases the mothers were completely overwhelmed and lacking a solid support system.

WTF? No. Diane Downes shot her kids in cold blood because she was dating a man who told her he didn't want to date someone with kids.

You're missing the point, R281/282....no one, not even unattractive, poor women who couldn't find another boyfriend kill themselves because of the breakup of a relationship. Plenty of poor, unattractive women go through that every single day without committing murder-suicide. The point is, you don't know what possible mental health issues Nichol had.

Enough, R283. You sound incredibly naive and just plain ridiculous.

R284. According our resident simpleton, attractive women don't ever hurt themselves or anyone else. Oh, and if they post smiling pics on SM? Never.

Read the story at, R272 about Noera Ayaz, R281. Why did that woman do it? Because she wasn't as attractive as Nichol?

R280 - right now it IS ruled a suicide by the ME. Unless it's changed, that's what it is.

R281- Christy Sheats is a great example. Very attractive, financially secure, married. Jennifer Schenecker is another one. I think her husband was a higher up in the military. Believe it or not In touch of all publications compiled a list of killer moms.

R285 was intended for dimwit R282.

Slow clap for R288. Maybe the ditz who keeps saying attractive women are saints who wouldn't hurt a flea will STFU now.

It's obviously a troll, they are mocking the "Chris Watts is too hot to kill his kids" posters, lol.

You're right, R291. First, at R265 it asked us to find other cases of women who killed their kids and when we gave it evidence, it asked for attractive women who killed their kids. Gotta be a troll.

Playboy playmate who jumped off the roof of a building a few months with her son.

R291, I wish that were true, but sadly I think that's why a lot of people don't want to believe Nichol did it. We live in such a superficial society unfortunately.

This beautiful young lady shot her face off. Got a face transplant.

And now, we can add Nichol Olsen to the list of attractive women who killed her kids.

^^But, but....she was so popular.

I know, and she did yoga! No one who does yoga could be a murderer!

Eric D. - I trully appreciate all your insights in this case and want you to know I agree with them.

I have been following this case here in DL for the first time and its interesting see how opinions change as details are revealed. When the thread started the majority of the posts here said “the boyfriend did it” - why? because thats what happens in the vast majority of cases with this scenario. There was even speculation here about boyfriend sexual involvement with one of the daughters - which I found far fetched. But then this well orchestrated Public Relations campaign started to do whatever possible to make Nichol Olsen look “bad” and hence somehow capable of murder her own children. I was then quite frankly chocked at the level of judgemental people posting here. Its worts then Victorian age, its sad and pathetic to read.

There are a lot of uncertainties still, but I follow my gut feeling: she didn’t kill herself she was murdered.

I’ll follow my gut feeling too. She’s mentally ill and killed her kids. Unless concrete evidence is shared by sheriff’s investigation, I will continue to believe the ME’s ruling of suiicede and double murder.

I went to that high school.

I didn't realize the daughter went to the same school. I still think this was a drug hit that had something to do with the guy's dirty dealings.

Grow up, R298. There is no pr campaign at least not here. Nichol looks bad because she is bad.

R281 - or anyone, for that matter - please post a photo that contains Nichol, Alexa and London together. All three in the same frame.

I’ve never seen one.

^^ and I’ve been looking.

A photo of her standing with her daughters, holding them, playing with them.

They must exist, but I’ve been searching and haven’t found one. Or all three kids together.

I can find at least five with the boyfriend alone.

The woman is 37 years old dating a 31 year old. May not be a big age gap but she’s pushing 40 with 3 kids 1 of which has a long arrest sheet. A brother that was still mooching off of her and her millionaire younger boyfriend.

She's innocent -- because she's attractive.

Her insta has some funny comments. Some of those people are delusional.

Maybe she didn't post any pics of herself with the kids because they were minors.

She's innocent because she does yoga.

This is one of Nichol's friends who is seeking 'justice.' She sure looked like she hated and was scared of CW temper. She even left a comment how much.

R304- I don't believe there is one of all 3 together. There is one on her Instagram of the 3 kids together. Tons more of her and Charlie.

r310 Is that the BFF, Nicole Baptiste, who with the son and brother are in charge of the GoFundMe? Interesting.

Judging by the photos on her instagram for her hair styling business she wasn't that great at what she did. It's full of pics of cheap, trashy looking extensions.

R311, sure is. He bought her these for Valentine's Day last year and her friends were gushing.

[quote]Judging by the photos on her instagram for her hair styling business she wasn't that great at what she did. It's full of pics of cheap, trashy looking extensions.

I'm sure she supplied exactly the service that the market demanded.

She’s not guilty because she did tacky hairstyling for Texas wine moms.

She posted 2 pictures of the minor kids but none with her. She does have a few with CW and her friends.

NIchol is guilty of having her name misspelled in her birth certificate.

Every time I see the initials CW I think of Chris Watts.

I think you guys might actually be on to something. The sheriff must be a DL sleuth.

[quote]r1 The mom had 3 kids with 3 different fathers...She's attractive, but I don't know how she landed a hot, rich boyfriend.

Anal.

[quote]r17 Why couldn't those women on Facebook simply say that the girl loved monkeys and wanted to do what she could to help them? I'll bet these people who use the term are the same types who were offended by Ronald McDonald on the cross.

As I understand it, a spirit animal is supposed to share traits with you, or have those you'd like to possess.

It's not about "loving" the animal, it's about feeling a kinship. They are your personality in animal form.

haha

Someone posted this elsewheres with [bold]"I found my spirit animal."

Have they arrested anyone for this murder-suicide per ME?

R288 My point was that it doesn't matter what the medical examiner said. He's a coroner. LE is in charge of this case, and they didn't really appreciate him saying that. They said okay, duly noted, and that's the end of his involvement. Law enforcement has been conducting a murder investigation ever since.

Eric D has his own thread.

NO= beautiful murderer

Nichol= filicide

Despite all the convoluted theories out there, I don't buy for a second the possibility of a cover up. Nichol offed the daughters and then herself, clearly as either some sort of payback Or "the world is too cruel for me and my kids " mentality. Evidently, she and the boyfriend fought ahead of time. Attractive women are not some sort of benevolent breed of fairies incapable of wrong doing.

R326 I thought this thread belonged to anonymous. How many are mine of the 930?

The ME's findings are what goes on the death certificate. If for some reason that has to be changed, it will have to be decided by a judge. Not just because law enforcement says so.

Nichol must’ve gone crazy. Having a name spelled that way would make anyone kill.

You kill yourself because you think you have no options or hope. A beautiful 37 year old woman had options.

Not if she’s batshit crazy. And her history says it all.

Do you think attractive people, or people who have options, never suffer from mental illness, R333?

Sometimes it's even genetic. Read up on it.

[quote]And her history says it all.

You people are horrible. I hope if anyone ever kills me, DL doesn’t have a thread about it. I’d hate to have my life dissected by the Victorian maiden aunt brigade.

Don’t worry. You’re too ugly for anyone to care about your death.

I’m still not convinced NO did it but it’s also silly to think attractive people or people with options can’t be mentally ill. I’ve suffered with depression and anxiety most of my life and at one point I contemplated suicide. I’m a decent 7/10 looks wise. Probably an 8 when I am in top shape. I have a degree, parents who have always supported me and I’m a Mensa member. So on paper I have options romantically and career wise. In reality depression convinces you that you don’t. It’s not logical and it’s not fair. I’m single and underemployed. My focus right now is just managing my depression and controlling my anxiety. It’s an everyday battle.

I have no idea if NO had any mental health issues but I did want to speak up because it’s dangerous to think only ugly, poor, uneducated people can suffer. I was dismissed all my life and told I was fine because I was a teenage, because I was educated, because I was too smart, because I was gay and could get sex anytime, because because because.... and if it wasn’t for my aunt reading a newspaper article on suicide awareness and thinking of me and reaching out with a phone call I wouldn’t be here today.

R333, yes. She didn’t see them? It’s tragic.

R308, I think it’s odd. I have zillions of FB friends who are parents. Lots of them aren’t in the photos because they’re the ones taking the photos. But there are always a few posed with the kids. There’s one woman who’s fat and she doesn’t like to be in photos at all, but that wasn’t NO’s problem. I think her FB is private now, so maybe there are photos with them and we can’t see them now. Maybe her IG was more about her business ventures and mom/kid photos aren’t relevant there. I’m just trying to figure out why. NO’s daughters were beautiful. No indication that she didn’t love them. I have no idea why she wouldn’t want to pose with them. It’s not because she was hiding her mom status, not because any of them were ugly, not because she didn’t take care of them.

R338, I’m glad you’re here. Thanks for the reminder. My sister is super attractive and she struggles with a personality disorder. It’s gotten better as she’s gotten older, and with therapy and medication. See? You never know what someone is dealing with.

[quote]You kill yourself because you think you have no options or hope. A beautiful 37 year old woman had options.

Nope. That's not why. You really need to stop talking, dimwit.

[quote]NO’s daughters were beautiful. No indication that she didn’t love them. I have no idea why she wouldn’t want to pose with them. It’s not because she was hiding her mom status, not because any of them were ugly, not because she didn’t take care of them.

WTF is your sick obsession with attractiveness as a barometer of............... EVERYTHING? Mental health, happiness, success, worthiness re. love, and even whether or not a kid's parents would be proud to post his/her pics on line.

NO is a murderer. They need to just tidy up this case and close it.

R342, when the Sheriff is giving exclusive interviews to the Dailymail, we can infer why this case is still dragging on.

You know who was very attractive and had options - a degree, good job, etc.? Ted Bundy.

So did Carola Arnau, Susan Smith, Christy Sheats, Jessica Edens, Sarah Lynn Kreuger, Casey Anthony - all attractive, all had "options" - all killed their own children - two of them offed themselves afterwards.

This is a story from December of a teacher who killed her ex-husband's new girlfriend in front of their 3 yr old twins. She was attractive and had options. It also shows how outward appearances can be deceiving.

You call THAT attractive, R345??!!

^Sorry, I meant R346

[R345]

The Manson girls were attractive compared to that list of yours....

Media verification of FBI involvement in this ongoing investigation. Proof it's not as clear cut as some of the previous posters claim.

R347/348- that's her mugshot, so obviously not the best. She's not so pretty, but yes I think she'd be considered attractive. Her ex is actually better looking than either her or the woman she killed.

I’m just saying there had to be some kind of warning if she committed suicide. Most cases you are showing are people who thought their children was a burden and they didn’t kill themselves. There has been some cases when the spouse kills the kids to spite the husband or wife but it seems Nichol got along good with her babies daddies. Call me a dimwit if you want but something about this case isn’t right.

Uh oh Mr. Medical Examiner, the F. B. I. has arrived.

I think this is good news having the FBI joining the investigation.

I don’t believe she has killed herself and I agree with Salazar’s statement: “We owe it to Nichol, Alexa, London, and their families to find the truth through meticulous investigation.  It’s always better to have more tools at our disposal and more eyes on any case.”

The truth will eventually come out.

I still can’t believe the horrible things some people post here: oh she was pregnant at 15 years old and decide to keep her baby so she must be trash; she had kids from different man, so she was a slut; she had tattoos so she must be a murderous psychopath. Its beyond believable.

On the other hand the boyfriend is seen as untouchable because he is a good catch? Because he his young, good looking and rich?

There way to many red flags and defiantly something about this case isn’t right. To me it screams of domestic violence and murder. And we all know who normally somite those crimes.

I think it's great news too. That idiot Sheriff is useless. This way the FBI can put this case to rest once and for all. I fully expect the ruling of M-S to be confirmed with her as the killer.

While I’m leaning toward murder-suicide, I think the FBI can only be helpful. More than anything, I just want to know the truth and what happened. The kids deserve it.

Hypothetical: What if there were multiple (let’s say 4) photos on CW’s SM showing NO either holding a gun and/or proudly showing off her “kill” (ie dead deer, boar, etc.)? What would that say, not about her ability to kill herself and her kids—as it’s been noted, a toddler could do that, but about her “friends” and their insistence that NO had never even TOUCHED a gun, much less fired one (much less was she so practiced that she was capable of killing a live, moving target). Would that mean that maybe they didnt actually know NO as well as they thought they did? OR would it mean they are just a bunch of blatant, bold-faced liars that will say absolutely anything they think will help further push their agenda? If they would lie about something like that, they would lie about ANYTHING and therefore absolutely nothing that they say can be trusted. And if photos like that existed, they’d surface sooner or later and when they do, I hope those “friends” have a good explanation. Just a hypo. Because ppl, including LE, sure are putting a lot of stock into what her friends are insisting.

R357, it wouldn’t surprise me because I don’t buy the image. But her friends would find some excuse. He forced her to do it and she was oh so terrified. Hypothetically.

I’m still stuck on the fact that there are no photos of her with her daughters. That’s fucking weird.

If you listened to the speakers at the vigil, one (Alex’s paternal ain’t) said multiple times that Alexa spent every weekend and every holiday with her. And another speaker (can’t recall who) talked about all the weekends London spent with them. I took note of that bc it sounded like NO didn’t want her kids around in the weekends interfering with her personal life (and yoga classes, I’m sure). Or at the very least she didn’t care. If they are in school, at cheer practice, etc during the week, and then shipped off to relatives’ homes on the wknds, when was she spending time with her children?

Yes, the FBI stepping in is a good thing in all these cases. The local cops are always bumbling, uneducated, low IQ yokels.

Yeah, it seems from her Instagram that she was into partying with friends and hanging with Charlie more than being with her kids. Her friends are completely biased. I did come across her son's recent mugshot from this past summer. Apparently it was in Oregon. You'll have to scroll. Seems like he might have a drug problem. Perhaps mom should have been more focused on him and less on her social life.

The FBI doesn't get involved without good reason. Still holding out for my drug hit theory.

^Agree. I think the son did it. Or a few of his druggie friends who knew she was living high. Do we know what was missing from the house?

FBI generally has the ability/equipment to conduct searches (“dumps”) of electronic equipment (cellphones, cameras, computers, etc.) in-house and quickly. Meaning they could save the Sheriff’s Department a ton of time completing those searches since otherwise he’d presumably have to send everything out to a lab and then wait. FBI involvement could be as minimal as that. Whatever it is, I’m glad they’re doing something to give this investigation some semblance of credibility bc Sheriff is an idiot that cares more about giving “exclusive interviews” with Dailymail than he does informing his constituents accurately.

I hope they didn't screw up the crime scene, a la the Jon Benet Ramsey case. This should be relatively easy to sort out, considering blood splatter, fingerprints, bullet trajectory (especially on her body), gunshot residue. Get it right FBI. (and I think she did it but want the truth to be determined decisively for Charlie and everybody's families)

I don't think the ME has anything to worry about. But the sheriff might.

Sylar seemed the. Nicest of all the mugshots. I didn’t know resisting arrest was only a minor offe.

For all the people saying Nichol couldn't have done this because she is attractive, none of you have met a woman with borderline personality disorder. And let's be real, 3 children by 3 different men starting at 14 is not a sign of mental stability. I'm not saying we should go back to past norms where this was heavily stigmatized but the modern trend of pretending this is normal is just as dishonest. Maybe she found out the teen was fooling around with the boyfriend. Who knows.

[quote]The local cops are always bumbling, uneducated, low IQ yokels.

Yes, local police can be shockingly dumb and incompetent. Though I guess not shocking if you have spent some time around cops.

R368, "None of you have ever met a woman with BPD?" Excuse me? Hello. Please wake up and face reality. That's as nonsensical a statement as the posters who didn't carefully read what I wrote when I said, Nichol had multiple options if she had to leave her BF home. She would not be devastated, as she was very attractive and obviously sexy to straight men with constant opportunities to meet them. Also she had good relationships with her daughters relatives and they could have filled in as caregivers.

I just spoke with someone whose friend has an employee that was scared out of his mind when he was subjected to Wheeler in a road rage incident apparently the day of the shooting or the day before while Wheeler was driving his pickup truck with NO as a passenger. Wheeler was so enraged that the driver of the other car was too shakened up to drive home.

[R371] That’s a lot of degrees of separation. What was the “incident” exactly? How did the person know it was Charlie? How’d they know Nichol was in the truck? This sounds ridiculous.

My cousin talked to her friend who’s brother said he got a Snapchat or the whole incident.:.and Nichol did it. There, case solved.

Some local cops are great; NYPD would have had this case solved within days. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case in SA. Certainly not based on what I've seen of Sheriff Salazar. I get the feeling he really wants to pin this on Charlie. I think the FBI will expedite things and give closure. Although, if it doesn't go the friends way they'll no doubt still be bitching.

R370, you speak way to matter of factly. You have no idea what kind of mother Nichol was or if she had "constant opportunities to meet" men. A lot of men would run in the opposite direction once they hear she has 3 children. I think she got extremely lucky with landing millionaire Charlie. Who quite honestly might have some issues himself. I don't see why he got involved with NO and her family.

R370 You seem baffled as to how borderlines work. Her being "attractive and sexy " to men has nothing to do with it . You're fixated on her supposed desirability to the point of overlooking what a head case this woman was . There is absolutely no incentive for the sheriffs office to cover-up anything.

R370 You do realize that Susan Smith was "attractive and sexy to men " as well? Or was she also framed by wicked men?

I wouldn’t be surprised if NO not only did this, but did it in a way as to try to try to make it look like CW did it and THAT was her ultimate plan to punish him for wanting her out of his life. Especially if she found out he was moving on with someone else. “I don’t want to live without you and I also want to ruin your life/possibly send you to prison from beyond the grave.” She had to take the kids with her bc they would’ve blown her cover (and let’s be honest, they wouldn’t want to live without her anyway...she was too pretty).

[372] well my source was a very close friend of NO. She said that this traffic incident occurred right outside the development where NO and Wheeler lived, which is very remote and outside the city limits. Apparently he took a photo of Wheeler and his truck! So stop with your bullshit antagonistic behavior because it’s not appropriate. It’s the truth but if you choose not to believe it then fine.

R374, Please prove to me how Nichol's a head case. Sure she has 3 kids but none of them are toddlers or require full-time care. Do you even realize how common it is today for women to have multiple baby daddies? Nichol isn't on welfare or state aid. She works a steady job and has lots of emotional support from her many friends.

NONE of the cases of M - S previously cited remotely compare to Nichole. All of them had deep seated anger issues and resentment, a clear sign of BPD. Yes I've known many women with BPD as well as men. Common among actors, especially those who aren't making it in the industry. Most of them are attractive on the surface but have crazy or dead eyes. Look at Nichol's eyes in her pictures with her extremely tastefully done makeup. No comparison.

There's so much misogyny on this thread. NO, I'm not saying BF is necessarily the perp either. I'm looking at a 3rd party.

R377, not R372, post the picture as proof. If it did happen, it doesn't prove him to be a murderer more like stressed the fuck out. That relationship was unhealthy by all accounts and probably coming to an end.

R372 Your source was a very close friend of Nichol? Of course it was! Now I REALLY think it’s BS. I gave it more credibility when I thought it was your landscaper’s Vet who told your coworker. Was it one of the same friends that swore Nichol had never touched, much less fired, a gun before?

R374, Like so many posters on this thread, absolutely nothing you wrote makes any sense whatsoever. I've met many aspiring actors, some of them very attractive and sexy, and most of them have BPD along with very deep seated anger issues towards those who are more successful. Compare their eyes in photos, along with those posted previously on this thread, and then compare them to Nichol's.

From now on I won't be responding to those trying to derail this thread. DL posters at times are extremely misogynistic and racist.

R378 So now we’re forming our opinions by looking “into someone’s eyes” and at their “tastefully done makeup”??? That definitely trumps logic, facts, reason and evidence. I feel like you’re kidding. Are you kidding?

if Ive learned nothing else in this life,Ive learned you never really know whats going on in someones head. I had a friend who I knew for 25 years,someone I would have trusted with my life. We had been through so much together,and were always behind each other 150% . Imagine my surprise when I find out hes been a heroin addict for 5 years,had lost his very good job months before anyone knew,stolen from his elderly mother,I could go on and on but you get the drift. I would have sworn on a stack of bibles my friend was the best of the best,yet when it all ended I didnt know him at all.My point is NO could have very well pulled the wool over every person in her life's eyes. Knee jerk reaction was CW did it,but the more we learn,the more I wonder. Id also like to add I think the "brother" isnt really her brother at all,and I wonder if there was more between them than sibling affection. I thought that from the very beginning. How slick would it be to tell everyone hes your brother when hes your lover?

No R381, you are the one who makes no sense and I'm not R374. Your are spreading outright lies on this thread and frankly many of your posts are dumb. Because NO is attractive, she couldnt have done this? Do you know what was going on in her head? I think not.

R383- interesting theory. I have to admit, I was a little shocked seeing her brother. They look NOTHING alike. I'm guessing the dad was white, mom black, but they came out completely opposite.

I just assumed she was half Latina half white. Does anyone know what her ethnicity is?

[quote]Do you even realize how common it is today for women to have multiple baby daddies?

No. It only seems common to someone who is trashy and/or lives around other trash.

R385 Her mother was black. Dunno about her father. On IG you can see her with her black family.

There's gotta be a few refugees from celebitchy on here. The way they talk about this woman as if she were a saint echoes their worship of Angie Jolie.

Many people including middle and upper class white people are remarrying and having children with the new spouse. Many men in the top 5% have third or fourth families in their sixties these days. These people don’t get stuck with the trashy reputation but any way you slice it they have children with more than one person. Just because they were married each time they procreated shouldn’t make it more acceptable. And it’s beyond acceptable, it’s the norm. I work with a woman who has 2 kids, she remarried last year and everyone is already asking her when she’s going to have a baby- as if she didn’t already have 2 or as if they don’t matter anymore. My supervisor is on his third wife and same thing. Every time he takes vacation time everyone jokes with him about making a baby on vacation. He has 5 kids between the previous 2 wives.

It is NOT “common” for women to have a baby each with three different men. It is common enough to have two.

But three? That’s trashy.

Wonder if she was trying/hoping to trap CW with a 4th kid before he ended it. Then she’d have access to that oil money for life.

R383, it’s true. Many of us have had similarly shocking betrayals.

Sorry about your friend.

Yeah, I know women with kids from 2 husbands, but none with 3. Actually, I don't know any men with 3 women either. Only place I see 3x3 is celebrities and that girl from Teen Mom. Ha

R391, I keep wondering why she didn't. Surely, that would be a goal for most women.

R391, well, you know what DLers think about women getting pregnant past the age of 35 (have you seen the Markle threads?). I don’t think she was infertile, and once you’ve had a baby, it’s easier to have more.

I’ll bet she was trying for that Golden Ticket.

Still waiting for a photo of NO and her daughters...

Can one of her fangirls produce one? Just one.

R395 Yes and while they’re at it, I’d also like them to provide the pic allegedly taken of CW outside his truck in a fit of “road rage.” Outside his subdivision. With NIchol visible inside said truck. That left the other party too frightening to drive. They’re probably saved in the same album. Do these chicks even believe their own BS?

In all seriousness: when is the MSM/LE/the public in general going to start questioning all of these slanderous allegations and start demanding some proof? These women are running amok, unchecked, on SM and potentially ruining the reputation a guy in a terrible situation without providing any proof whatsoever. Not only are they all likely going to be sued (successfully) for defamation, but they are possibly interfering with a criminal investigation at this point. Enough is enough. They should take a note from CW’s book and SHUT it and wait for the grown ups to do their job. And let the girls RIP.

Things I haven’t seen the fangirls produce:

• Any firsthand accounts of any physical violence Charlie perpetrated against anyone.

• A photo of the fiercely loving mother with any of her girl children.

• What college the 22-year old son goes to

Anyone with a baby daddy is trashy. Three is even trashier.

R395- the only thing I saw was what looked like a promotional video and the youngest daughter was in it at the end. The kid looked much, much younger. It seemed like it was for her business, very stylized. You know showing the working mom picking up her daughter after school. If these so called friends are so tight, why didn't they have pictures of all three together or even just her and one of the daughters? They had plenty of partying pictures. Charlie needs to unfriend these people too. I think he and the outspoken friend were FB friends but are no longer. He should get rid of every person he knows through Nichol. Imagine what must come up on his timeline? I'm sure he has more import things to do than FB, but I'm sure he's seen some of the activity. Wish his Instagram wasn't private.

R399 If you could see his Instagram, you’d see that Nichole Baptiste (most out spoken friend/running the GFM page) “liked” the last pic that CW posted, which was on 12/31 (like 10 days before this all went down). Pretty interesting behavior for a woman who supposedly knew he was extremely abusive and was beating the hell out of her BFF. Bunch of lying ass women in denial about their friend being a child-killer. Shame on her and on all of them.

Still no shirtless photos of the boyfriend? What does he think social media is for?

R400- wow, you have access to his Instagram? I was curious if he had a lot of pictures of Nichol or her kids. I'm actually just curious about him, period. Yeah, Nicole sure didn't seem to have a problem with him when they were posing together. I saw her respond elsewhere to a comment and it just seems like she is going off half cocked. She said Nichol wasn't financially dependent on him. Even though she pointed out that he bought the house when he was with Nichol and she moved in with him. Of course that's being financially being dependent on him. She also mentioned you can hire a pathologist later on when questioned about it. Why would someone do that when you have the bodies available and so close to the time of death? This whole case is very strange.

Start listening 3/4 of the way through this Tues night live stream. Retired NYPD investigator/detective predicted FBI involvement Sun night. Now he's predicting BF will soon be arrested. "It's either him or someone close to him."

R402 I do. Which is also how I saw the multiple pics of NO either holding a gun and/or holding the dead carcass of live game that she killed (despite her friends INSISTING/swearing that she’d never fired a gun, wasn’t familiar with them, and had never even held one). Not only has she “held” guns, she was clearly skilled enough to successfully hit and kill live/moving targets. If her friends will lie about something like that to make her sound less guilty, what else will they lie about (bc really, who cares if she’s shot a gun—it’s not hard and doesn’t automatically make her a killer)? Answer: anything and everything. And if CW had this high dollar PR person out there digging up dirt and trying to make him look better, or her look worse, those pics would have been leaked days ago to show what liars her friends are. Clearly he’s not doing that. Out of respect for her I presume? But her friends are going to push him to fight back and me thinks they’d rather him stay quiet about their precious, innocent friend. Alright. Glad I got that off my chest.

link for gun ignorance claim

R403. Continuation of info from NYPD retired investigator: Further BF will be arrested due to "forensic evidence" and his "electronic footprint." Sheriff's call in FBI when they need expert assistance. FBI does not respond to every request from LE. However once it's proven there's good cause for an investigation in complex cases, like murder-for-hire, we see FBI.

Damn, I had no idea R402. I think you should post a pic here, I know you probably can't or won't, but backing up claims is something Nichol's defenders never seem to do. It's all conjecture with them. I think it would go a long way in proving that her friends are liars or didn't know her as well as they thought. Obviously, it would also show that she was capable of accurately shooting a target. Some people here don't like that Charlie was a trophy hunter. So if she was too, that makes them about even. The pr is such bs. So far all we've heard about Charlie is overwhelmingly negative. She, on the other hand, has been portrayed as a saint. Maybe Charlie should start going on the defensive. His reputation and character has been totally smeared, maybe irrevocably.

^Oops, meant R404.

Boyfriend did it or hired somebody.

R409, Knew from Day-1 it was an expensive $$$$ pro-hit made to look like M - S. One of his electronic devices tripped him up. Would the FBI be able to trace a burner phone?

Waiting for the Civil Suits from Alexa and London's relatives. Could the adult son sue as well for loss of his mother?

R405 Oh geeze please don’t make me dig back through the hundreds of rabid posts/comments from her friends on SM. Heck, I feel like I’ve seen this claim that her friends swear she wasn’t familiar with guns repeated multiple times on this thread today alone.

R407 I would LOVE to post the pics, trust me. However, out of respect for CW, I can’t/won’t. He’s clearly not going down that path (either intentionally or bc he’s got too much else on his plate) so I don’t feel like I should. But I couldn’t just completely keep my mouth shut any longer either. And I feel like they will come out sooner rather than later bc I can’t be the only bystander that’s starting to get fed up. I figured maybe if her friends see that there are ppl checking/countering their claims, and calling BS, they’ll be a little more careful to be truthful. I won’t post the pics but I will tell you, one is of her sitting on a couch holding a large handgun (beretta I believe) and the other 3 are her showing off with dead animals (2 bucks and 1 boar). And in the boar pic she’s also holding a handgun. So yeah, girl knew how to handle a gun.

There have definitely been posts questioning how she could hit a target with one shot with no gun experience. If kids could do it, so can a grown woman. Besides, I was always dubious of the claim that she never touched a gun. That's part of the culture in Texas and lets not forget she was married to a military man.

I understand, R411. Can you shed any light on their relationship? On his character?

Posing with a gun does not prove anything. Posing with dead animals does not necessarily mean she shot them. NO does not look like a lady who was big on hunting, and if she was so into it, why would she hide it? Won’t show the picture? Convenient.

R412 I don’t know anything about their relationship other than what I saw in pics on SM. And I’ve heard from someone that she was very jealous. I haven’t seen CW in years and it’s been awhile since we last texted/spoke, so I don’t know much about what he’s been dealing with lately. I saw that she was with his family over Christmas (cute pic with his dad). Didn’t appear her kids were with her. Everyone looked happy—she looked comfortable and welcome with his family (of course pics can be deceiving so take that for what it’s worth). As for Charlie, in my experience, he’s a good guy. Def doesn’t act like a millionaire. He’s from a tiny town in south Texas, and yes, his family had the money to start his business, but it was his idea and he put in the work to start it and run it. This whole situation must be a complete nightmare for him. Again, haven’t seen the guy in years so my loyalty doesn’t run too deep. if I thought for a second he did this, I’d be the first to say it. And I’m still keeping an open mind bc like we’ve all noted, you never really know someone. Also, side note: I’ve talked to some mutual friends since this happened and bc I’ve read this 1000 times: my understanding is that there were no cameras inside the house. So none to turn off inside.

R413 You’re further arguing my point. It doesn’t necessarily prove anything about her—it proves that her friends are lying about random things in order to spin the story in her favor OR these “friends” didn’t really know her at all despite their claims. And it doesn’t appear she was hiding it (its all over CWs IG and he’s friends with many of her friends), so that leads me to believe they knew about it and are being dishonest about her lack of comfort/experience with firearms. So if they’re lying about that, what else are they lying about in order to “seek justice” for their dear friend? I’m glad we agree as to the relevance!

R413 and she clearly shot the animals. The captions and hashtags make that clear. But you’re also clearly not a hunter: when you make a kill, you pose with the prize. She’s showing off her trophies.

Link?

Thanks, R414. The jealousy is very unsurprising. Are there any family pics with him and her kids? There have been none of her with the daughters.

It’s good the FBI is involved. They will finally put to rest this bullshit that Nichol didn’t kill her kids.

R416 This may come as a shock to you, but hashtags don’t prove anything. And no, I’m not a hunter- I have actual athletic ability and talent. I don’t have to kill things for fun and validation. But your friend clearly does.

Eeewwww

R 420 They aren't into hunting either, but they want Charlie so bad that they'll pretend it's a cool thing. And hopes of seeing the pictures that prove what a central part of Nichol's life hunting was, that's fucking hilarious! You will not be getting pictures!

I feel so much better now that they've told me that ALL, yes ALL, of Nichol's friends and family members are horrible liars and horrible people for being in her life. How dare they tell nice stories about her!

Here goes nothing.... I have 4 children. 4 dads. I am 39. Children are 23 (to be 24 next month), 18, 15 and 3 1/2. 1 college graduate, a senior to start college right after HS, a fish also doing well in school. I don’t feel trashy, nasty, slutty or anything else of that nature. I am a nurse, come from a good family, good relationships with all 3 previous dads (married to current). I am a great mom. It just took me a long time and many wrong choices (and BD to “get it”) I bust my ass everyday to support my family. Never on any government assistance. EVER. Young mom, young kids, school, homework, sports, dance, always a crazy life. I’ve been the sole financial support for 1 of these kids. 1 dad didn’t participate till the kid was 10! Say what you want, I’m a damn good mother. 1st to show up, stay up to do school projects, attend every single award ceremony. Moms like “THIS” with 3 or 4 BD. DONT kill themselves. We have too damn much to prove. Everyone has something bad or negative to say about “women like us”. I have my own shit to worry about. What you folks think about “trash” like me, isn’t one of my worries.

She’s dead. Her babies are dead. Same dad, different dad. None of that mattered to THEM. They loved her and she loved them. Why do y’all care how many men fathered her children. At least she kept them and didn’t abort or kill them. I pray for answers so they can all Rest In Peace.

Trashy RN or trashy LPN?

Most fish do well in school, R423.

A trashy RN. Cardiac at that.

Love that alleged nurse’s long essay about how wonderful a mom she is. No one cares you ugly frau.

R423 You shouldn't even waste your time talking to them. They have no concept of the things that you are talking about.

I'm a woman with 3 kids wiho unfortunately have the same piece of shit father. However, I do understand when you got 3 baby daddies, that hopefully maybe at least one of them will pay child support. Hedging your baby/child support $$$ I guess. But sorry RN lady above. That many baby daddies is trashy. I don't care how educated or uneducated you are. I bet Father's Day is insanity at your house.

Who’s your daddy... you’re proof that there are different types of trash that exist. Some things people have no control over.

430> huh? you can't control who knocks you up? are you serious? go cradle your mug.

Life is too short to read long posts.

R423 = trash and possibly that post is fiction.

People like RN think they deserve a medal because they didn't get an abortion. Probably a pro-lifer who judges anyone that does the responsible thing. Getting pregnant by multiple men is within your control as a grown woman, that's why birth control was invented. If I was say a dumb 15 yr old, ala Nichol, and became pregnant or had a child that did, hell yeah abortion would be encouraged. According to RN's logic only women who have multiple baby daddies have something to prove and wouldn't kill their kids. Ridiculous statement..

[quote]Besides, I was always dubious of the claim that she never touched a gun. That's part of the culture in Texas

There are 28 million people in Texas, they’re not a monolith and not all are gun fans. I lived in TX for 10 years and never used a gun.

DL, How many are aware that birth control pills aren't foolproof? Yes they're more reliable than other forms of birth control but even if you're extremely careful in taking them accurately they're not 100% foolproof.

You should get your money back if you had all those kids with different baby daddy’s while on birth control pills.

[quote]DL, How many are aware that birth control pills aren't foolproof?

Yes, they are. The only time they aren't is when dopey hair stylists get too drunk and forget to take them.

All the Nichol super fans on this thread, including Erica D, are single moms with multiple baby daddies. Nothing else can explain their defensiveness.

And WTF does Nurse Trashy call one of her kids a "fish". Some "great" mom she is.

Trashy RN is a troll.

R438, I've never been pregnant, so your posts are way out of line. I also know if one is personally opposed to abortion there's a good chance of becoming pregnant no matter how careful one is in taking birth control pills.

[quote]I also know if one is personally opposed to abortion there's a good chance of becoming pregnant no matter how careful one is in taking birth control pills.

False.

R437, You can't get a refund once you buy birth control pills, and if you had any common sense you'd know that fact. Please stop trying to derail this thread, and let's get back to predicting exactly when BF will be arrested for hiring a pro hit man.

Also do you think he'll suicide as he's facing very stiff charges?

Murder/Suicide

R441, Those who resort to extremely immature name calling are the ones who are dumb. Please read the linked article of how between 2 - 8% of women taking the pill get pregnant.

R443, What will you say when the BF gets arrested for hiring a hit man? Why do you think the local sheriff took the unusual step of bringing in the FBI, and the FBI accepted the offer to investigate? They always come in when it's "murder for hire."

Nichol=filicide

If you thought the comment about getting a refund for birth control pills was not meant as a joke you’re dumber than I thought.

R447, Only dumb people and Trolls continue to derail the thread. Which are you?

[quote]Please read the linked article of how between 2 - 8% of women taking the pill get pregnant.

Please re-read my comment at R438 that gives you a very clear explanation as to why this is the case. User error. Surprised it isn't even higher with so many careless, trashy and dumb girls forgetting to take them as prescribed---every day. With proper use, BC pills are 99.9% effective.

For how much $$$$ will the relatives of Alexa and London sue BF in the coming Civil Suit?

They will get nothing because the bitch mom killed the kids. Sue her family.

R451, Clear evidence verified by FBI that BF hired a hit man. Confirmed arrangements using his easily traceable electronic devices. Proof of the above coming along with official news of BF's arrest.

What's his motive then? Explain away.

R447- I'm howling from that exchange. I'm convinced between the Nichol is too pretty to murder her children and the birth control, that poster has to be intellectually around 10.

R452, did the voices in your head tell you that info?

What is the motive of any jealous and controlling man? Men commit 90% of all violent crime and 99% of all sexually violent crime.

Why hire a hit man and stay in the area? Why wouldn’t he go out of town? And why would he need to have a woman and her children killed when he didn’t owe them a thing. They weren’t his financial responsibility. They weren’t his responsibility in an ethical sense. They weren’t married. They hadn’t been living together long enough for her to be considered a common law wife. If the motive is jealousy, why the two girls? Usually that sort of motive causes people to act on impulse and do it themselves, not to quietly plan ahead, hire someone, and wait. And once again, all that secret planning and he never calmed down and decided that, at the very least, the kids should live. The girls already had well established relationships with family members that would have cared for them, so it’s not like he was afraid of being stuck with the responsibility of housing them. This is just too stupid.

R453, Really would first like to know BF drug & alcohol consumption,. Reason being that I've known many seemingly nice, charming, savvy people that turn into monsters when they party too much.

Guessing hidden rage, needing to feel powerful with the same passion as a trophy hunter, irrational jealousy over attention Nichol was getting from other men, possibly that she knew secrets about him he didn't want anyone else to uncover. My speculation at this point. Just that I've seen other straights get crazy when they feel even slightly rejected by a woman. Nichol's friends were claiming she wanted to move out but I don't know if that's true or not.

R456, Suspect that there's hidden reasons for the 3 murders that have yet to be uncovered.

Why go out of town when you've paid $$$$ for a pro hit man to make it look like a M - S, and you arrogantly think you'll never get caught? Which countries won't extradite for a pre-planned triple murder case where it's safe for a rich American to live out the rest of his life?

[quote]Guessing hidden rage, needing to feel powerful with the same passion as a trophy hunter, irrational jealousy over attention Nichol was getting from other men, possibly that she knew secrets about him he didn't want anyone else to uncover. My speculation at this point. Just that I've seen other straights get crazy when they feel even slightly rejected by a woman. Nichol's friends were claiming she wanted to move out but I don't know if that's true or not.

LOL, she hit the jackpot. She wasn't going anywhere. And why would he be jealous over her? She was older (hitting 40 fast), had massive baggage and no money comparatively. She was a gold digger---dime a dozen. Men like CW have dozens of her type (many better looking and younger) flinging themselves at them at every turn. NO was completely out of her league and he held all the cards in that relationship.

My money is on the druggie son and/or his dealer/druggie friends.

Why on earth would someone premeditate such a complete, personal implosion, R458? Abandoning his million dollar home, his lifestyle, his country, and his family to live the rest of his life in a foreign country? All because he was jealous? This is just ridiculous. People do such crazy, self destructive shit in the heat of the moment. They don’t do it with such forethought unless they have a more “rational” reason. Reasons like they don’t want to go broke with alimony, child support, and a division of assets. Or they want to be completely free to start a life with another woman. Neither of these applied to this man. A crime of passion, I’d believe that before the moronic idea that he hired a hit man.

What hit man agrees to kill children? I don’t recall a single case of a man hiring a hit man to kill children. Anyone desperate enough to agree to that wouldn’t be skilled enough. I can think of one case, but the victim was a teenage brother of the “mastermind” and the killers were amateurs and of course they’re all in jail.

Why would he arrange for it to happen at his own home? There are a million other places someone could have killed her (without the kids). Any weekend, since the girls were with relatives then.

He was jealous, R451. Duh. She cut another dude’s hair. Any hit man would totally understand and would be happy to kill two beautiful children because of a sexy sexy haircut.

Photo of CW hunting = He’s a killer.

Photo of NO holding a gun = doesn’t mean a thing

There’s another slight possibility here. Very slight, but it’s not sporting to ignore other ideas.

A video made by Alexa’s “boyfriend” went viral recently. Photo montage of photos of them together and a video of him presenting her with flowers, with cheesy music background. Apparently he’s not her boyfriend, though. There’s another boy who was with her at the time of her death. We have a grand gesture from one boy (media attention and backpats) and relative crickets from the other. I wonder if there were two (or more) boys trying to win Alexa and an obsession/rivalry.

And I’m still considering the fucked-up son (who, supposedly, wasn’t in college).

Here’s the video from the late Alexa Montez’s “boyfriend” (who wasn’t her boyfriend).

I’m linking to the news story which calls Isaiah her boyfriend. Kind of overstepping a few boundaries there.

I thought the daughter was a sexpot but she looks like a normal cute girl.

I think a lot of people on these threads haven’t watched Dateline or other true crime shows when 99.9 % of the time the kill er is the spouse/ lover.

R464, R465, Looks like the boy who made the video still deeply cared about Alexa but knew they were too young to get so serious, and that it was time to move on. Obviously they were mature enough to remain close friends after their break-up. Maybe they always were more platonic than romantic, yet till in sync almost like a brother and sister type of friendship.

Here's some data for you, R467 - there are a lot of moms murdering their children, almost as many as fathers who murder their children:

Over the last three decades U.S. parents have committed filicide — the killing of one’s child — about 500 times every year… The data allowed the researchers to determine the most common filicide scenarios. A father killing a son was the most likely (29.5 percent of cases), a mother killing a son (22.1 percent) follows. A mother was slightly more likely to kill a daughter (19.7 percent of cases) than a father was (18.1 percent). The rarest instances were stepmothers killing either a stepson (0.5 percent) or a stepdaughter (0.3 percent).

The girl looks much older in the posed cheerleader outfit picture, she looks like a sexy 30 year old in it. In every other picture I’ve seen she looks like what she was, a cute teenager. DL had made her out to be a Lolita sexpot because of the cheerleader pic being one of the first posted and also because some here think every woman over 35 is a crone and therefore can’t imagine a straight man wanting an ancient 37 year old.

A woman's dating options (like her fertility) drop like a rock after 35, R470. This is fact, not "DL fact".

As long as a rich man has a pulse, he is a catch.

R469, I'd like to know how many cases of mothers killing their kids there have been in the USA when there's not clear evidence of extreme financial and emotional pressures, documented serious mental illness and not just a messy past, or the mother views her children as competition or an impediment to her social life.

For example there have been situations of very religious mothers homeschooling multiple children close in age, financially and emotionally distraught, without sources of outside help or care. Or mothers believing their kids are disobedient and out of control. None of the above would apply in Nichol's case.

Sorry just catching up. R423, you’re right, thank God she didn’t abort her kids! Instead she waiting 10 and 16 years and THEN she terminated them. Via gunshot to the dome. What a Saint!

R474, May I remind you that the FBI would not be investigating this case if they believed it was a clear case of murder - suicide, rather than the very obvious "murder for hire." The latter requires FBI involvement.

R474 We should lobby the legislature to make this kind of “termination of life” legal when it’s necessary to save the “social life” of the mother. Ah. Cracking myself up over here.

R475 That’s just not true. FBI routinely helps local enforcement with electronic searches when there is no “questionable” aspect of the case (im talking post-arrest during trial prep they’ll help if you ask). They can do the searches faster and in-house instead of having to send the cell, computer, etc. to a lab somewhere else that may take MONTHS. I got the impression from the article I read that is exactly what the FBI will be doing in this case. And BCSO will continue with the rest of the investigation. I am glad they’re helping, no matter what their role to give the investigation some semblance of competency.

R477, Are you a G- man? If not then where are you getting the info that FBI always steps in when 1st asked?

Unless "friend" posts a screenshot from CW's IG, I call bullshit. This is DL, for God's Sake. That's what people do. Why else post your comments if you can't or won't back them up. That's slander, friend, or straight BS. I love how you think not posting a photo makes you a better friend. Girlfriend posing with kill or gun is just that. Trying to appease boyfriend when she's dragged along hunting. Doesn't prove or mean anything. If CW is such a great guy, why was he living with a woman like NO instead of a former Baylor cheerleader?

If NO was such a great woman, why was she living with a guy like CW?

R480, Luxurious lifestyle and generous vacations, his looks, initial charm. Some women are poor judges of character and some men are very good at hiding their faults. Of course the reverse is also true.

A former Baylor cheerleader is the biggest catch in SA, Texas? That’s depressing.

R477 Not a G-man but I have been directly involved in murder investigations/prosecutions (in TX but not in SA). We used the FBI forensic lab routinely for cell phone, computer, etc. dumps (extractions). And that is what it sounded like the Sheriff was asking for help with here. Will be interesting to see if the feds ever issue any opinion on what they believe happened or if they’ll just turn over the data they uncover.

R477 Here is one of the quotes from an article that made me think the above is the case: “At the request of Sheriff Javier Salazar, the bureau will provide technical and investigative assistance while deputies determine what led to the deaths of Nichol Olsen, 37, and her daughters, 16-year-old Alexa Montez and 10-year-old London Bribiescas, the sheriff's office said in a news release on Tuesday, adding authorities would leave "no stone unturned."”

R479 What don’t you understand about the significance of NO being a hunter, whether it was to appease CW or not? It goes solely to the credibility of her friends that have been adamant that she didn’t have any gun experience. If they read this and realize that ppl are going to start checking them and decide to be less reckless with their accusations, I’m all for it. Photo link or not. JMO. In fact, I wonder if they’ll start deleting their posts and comments with this type of claim altogether.

Nichol=filicide

R479- he/she didn't even post the photo and you're already making excuses of why she would be posing with a gun or a dead animal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I don't know on what planet Nichol would considered a bigger catch than CW. Hint: none. I actually love that he was open minded. A woman is not useless past 30 like some think here. However, there was way, way too much to take on with NO. I can totally believe her being jealous and insecure, not him. No way was she ever going to break up with him. I think she is the one who fucked up the relationship, not him.

The Sheriff announcing the FBI is getting involved was his polite way of saying the ME got it wrong.

If it is determined that Nichol did know how to use a gun and had been hunting before, there are only two choices for what that says about NO's so called good "friends". Neither good:

1. They didn't really know her at all

2. They were lying

R488 That or a backdoor (hehe) way of saying that he doesn’t trust himself to handle this investigation alone. Or, when he does finally say it was M-S, he wants to shield himself from some of the public backlash by being able to say, “but the FBI said so too!” Dude is a full on half-wit. He gave (another) interview with Trey Ware this AM where he admitted that before having lunch with the FBI liaison this week, he didn’t even know that FBI would/could help local LE without a “federal nexus.” How do you not know that as the head LE official of a large county? He also keeps talking about how this suicide is SO different from others bc there was no note and no one saying the was having suicidal thoughts. Seriously? It’s almost like he’s considering NO’s friends’ allegations as actual evidence in the case to the point that he WANTS to prove them right. Maybe he personally knows one of the friends and wants to make her happy? I’ve just never seen any LE officer give so much credence to gossip. He also said he currently has no evidence to prove or disprove that CW wasn’t home that night. Bullsh. He might not have the official records/independent search results of phones, surveillance, etc. but he has some evidence, one way or the other. Even if it’s just a family member saying he was with them, that’s evidence of an alibi. Granted weak as hell evidence that could easily be disproven down the road, but that IS evidence. He makes it sound like CW hasnt proved ANY alibi witness or other corroboration that he wasn’t there. It’s almost like he wants to keep the rumors and gossip going bc he is loving the national attention? It’s so bizarre and so unprofessional IMO. He should stop talking to the media until he has “some evidence” to discuss. God help the murder victims and the accused in Bexar County.

Where's that picture of NO holding a gun ?

Link to Trey Ware interview from this AM

He’s hot though ^^

R489, There are more possibilities than just the two that you listed.

3. Nichol's friends knew a lot about her but not 100% of everything.

4. Nichol tried to hide certain minor points from her friends that were not really important to her.

5. Nichol would not have been able to hide major disappointment about how her BF was treating her.

Sheriff Idiot doesn't want to be the one to confirm ME was right. His life would be much easier if Charlie did it because that's what the people in that town want. He's an elected official I presume so he doesn't want an unpopular decision effecting his career. I think Charlie should sue the hell out of the police department when this is done.

R495, no doubt.

Is it possible that Wheeler’s legal team called in the FBI? (I don’t know how it works.).

And if LE is corrupt, as some say, it’s just as likely to be corrupt in Olsen’s favor as Wheeler’s. Maybe someone wouldn’t mind seeing him framed up. It’s just as likely as arranging for him to walk free.

" I feel like I’ve seen this claim that her friends swear she wasn’t familiar with guns repeated multiple times on this thread today "

But no link?

So you heard it from somewhere?

I think this was made up out of whole cloth.

Women do crazy things for their men. Years ago I was obsessed with a guy. He wanted a six shooter. ( I know.) I tried to buy him one. I couldn't. It turned out to be harder than I thought. I was a white artsy liberal single woman, and I couldn't find anyone to sign the personal references. They thought I was crazy, even though I asked weird people who really didn't know me. (Bank manager, hairdresser.) But I HATE guns. HATE them. HATE gun owners. And there I was, out of obsession trying to buy a gun to give to a guy who was pretty darn cute but crazy. My point is this: women do stupid things for "love." They go hunting, pose with a gun. Men, on the other hand, don't need semi-rational reasons for their violence. They beat and kill women because they're fucked up. I don't know what happened, but I can sure see NO getting into something she couldn't handle, because CW looked so good on paper. If you've ever been in an abusive relationship, you know what I mean.

Unhinged.

R498 You call asking random acquaintances for references in order to buy a gun for a guy because he was “pretty darn cute,” “semi-rational behavior”? Maybe the reason no one was willing to assist you with your gun purchase was not just because they “thought” you were crazy but because you are, in fact, crazy. And therefore should not be allowed to own said firearm.

And I have also been in an abusive relationship, yet I still do not know what you mean. I refuse to clump all men into an “unrationally violent” category bc I had a bad experience with one bad egg. It’s not fair to all of the good men out there that would do anything to protect their SO. Plus, I’ve seen too many crazy women smack down their men (in public even) to ever agree that both sexes can’t be equally violent/abusive. Only difference is obviously men are generally capable of causing more harm due to strength/size differences.

R500 I was totally crazy. Crazy in love. You're right. Thank god, those people didn't sign the permit request. My only point is a photo of a woman on social media with a gun or with hunting trophies means nothing in this case. Just like 90% of the opinions on here. There are few facts, and I hope the FBI brings in more.

You were already crazy, R501. When you met a cute, gun loving man you continued to be crazy. You are still crazy.

R501 I think it’s been pointed out numerous times that the only reason anyone thinks the gun holding/hunting has any significance is due to her friends saying on SM that she had never even held a gun and wouldn’t know how to work one and therefore, couldn’t have done this. It goes towards their credibility, and they are the ones leading this charge against CW with their allegations. That’s all. I don’t think her holding/owning a gun and/or hunting alone gives us any indication as to the likelihood she did this. It’s all about the credibility of her friends.

The GFM page is troubling. If they are seeking 'justice' why wouldn't they be using that money when the crime scene is still so fresh? Why wouldn't they have a second autopsy performed right now? $60,000 is not going to be enough to throughly re-investigate a case like this, but it should cover another round of autopsies. I think it's a total scam. They want to keep raising money through suspicion and then when all dies down they pocket the cash.

Agree, r503 and r504. Hunting for sport doesn’t mean a person is going to kill another human or three. So protesting that she’d never even held a gun in her life is silly. And, possibly, untrue.

GoFundMe is absolute bullshit.

I wonder if Dawn Welles got any money.

Nichol is obviously the killer. When is the FBI going to close this case. ME was right all along.

I bet that there will be a fight over the GoFundMe money.

If it were obvious, the FBI wouldn't squander resources on an investigation. I'm actually very surprised they agreed to get involved at all. The FBI does not normally investigate cases like this. There must be more to the story that not even DL superfraus can see.

I’d kill if my name is spelled Nichol.

Why are there zero new information on this case? Even leaks? You'd think the DM or local news would be digging.

Why is there^

R511, because maybe there is no new information.

R511, R513, LE with FBI's help wants a solid, unbeatable case against the BF and the pro hit man he hired before making arrests. They also don't want either to escape to a country where they don't extradite perps to the USA. Mexico won't cooperate if it's a death penalty case.

This whole thing is an absolute shit show.

Maybe so r510. At least I got to fuck Chris Watts. Something you bitches will never be able to do.

Day 13 and still LE have not declared it a M - S. If this was such an open and shut case like many here think then why is taking it so long????? I challenge anyone to can come up with a plausible reason.

It's a game changer as the FBI was asked to get involved by LE. FBI get involved if they have to do the following: Retrieve deleted phone records/messages Retrieve deleted surveillance records GPS forensics Computer forensics Financial crimes were involved

I don't care how anyone spins it but facts point to LE having seen something , and CW's accounts of the night do not add up.

Looks like the killer had at least 10 hours to set up the suicide scene. Not hard to do if you have the time.

Oh and no alibi for CW's whereabouts on the night/am of the 3 murders? Daily Mail originally stayed at a relative's home nearby, and that they were out of town. Now the latter part had been deleted from their original article. Not surprised in the least.

Sure one can hire the best defense attorneys who make sound bites to the press and attack the victim. We know it's the best form of defense. Not all of us fall for that attorney defense strategy.

Also ME's hurried and incomplete results are BS because they cant declare suicide without the results for gunpowder residue. Just like LE can't declare it a M - S if they have not checked CW accounts and records such as cameras, GPS, phone, alibis.

I will be shocked if this case concludes as a MS - yes VERY SHOCKED! Lets wait and see.....

R515, it really is. I've never followed a case handled like this. My area has a ton of murder cases all the time too. I read that half of SA murders go unsolved. After following this spectacle I'm not surprised.

R488 You are exactly right about that. The sheriff never bought into the murder-suicide theory from the beginning. He thinks Charlie killed them. He wants to nail him, and that's why he asked the FBI into the case. If you listen to what he says, he can't just come out and say that, he gets it across in nuanced ways. But it's obvious.

The sheriff is an imbecile and a famewhore.

If it's a Homicide/murder-for-hire delays by LE puts the heat on the killer(s) and their fake alibis. That is a common strategy, put the heat on by making the case very public and let them know that you are coming for them. Always works and gets suspects nervous and talking. Won't be surprised if there are wire taps etc and LE carefully observing BF to make sure he doesn't try to get out of Dodge.

Then again the very rich lawyer-up assuming they can poke a lot of holes in the prosecution's case against them. Another reason for LE & FBI to take their time and continue to be extremely thorough.

Shit Show hasn't even really started yet. Just wait for the trial. So who wants to start casting the Lifetime TV Movie?

R510, you can always change it.

So has anyone unearthed a photo of Nichol selfie-ing with her daughters?

All those people in the FB group haven’t produced even one.

[R517]

It can still be a murder suicide if CW kills himself rather than face trial.

At this point the main reason I'm rooting for Charlie to be fully exonerated is so the murder for hire idiots can shut the hell up! It's such a fucking stupid theory that this guy with no ties to this woman would give up his whole cushy life to have her and her daughters killed in HIS home! There is no motive for Charlie to have her killed and certainly not her daughters. I weep if these people are ever on a jury.

CW's PR team obviously gets paid by the post.

No PR team R526, just a working brain.

What a shitshow.

If it’s not the boyfriend and it’s not Saint Nichol, who could it be?

R517 There are so many blatant inaccuracies/ignorance statements in your post that I don’t know that I have the energy to debunk them all. You clearly have ZERO idea how real life investigations work, as well as zero ability to read or listen to past posts and/or news articles. FBI will get involved whenever local LE requests their assistance, no special circumstances needed. Thank God for that in this case. Sheriff has consistently said that NO was a suicide. He’s just investigating the girls’ murders. He’s also clearly a fame whore who’s enjoying the attention. The ME seems to be the only competent professional working on this case—which is demonstrated not only by their degree as a Forensic Pathologist, but also by the fact that they aren’t discussing their finding with the media.

R529, Link to where the Sheriff, rather than just the ME, says Nichol committed suicide. Everything he's said to the media imply the opposite.

NYPD detective and investigator, who has worked almost 50 years with the FBI and has a YouTube series analyzing their and LE procedures and actions, stated very clearly that there are only certain cases where the FBI agrees to assist local Sheriffs. He also said the FBI turns down many requests. Since I did not know this info I've been quoting him in my posts; Please R529 prove to me that you have more than 50 years experience working with the FBI.

R528, if I was into conspiracy theories and there was any evidence that someone other than Nichol did this, I would have gone with the son. Not necessarily him, but people he associates with. Since there was no forced entry and he might not have even living in the same state, I don't think it's likely. I still believe the ME was correct and it was Nichol.

R525, Agreed that compared to most of the previous cases where a BF or husband has killed his GF or wife there are obvious reasons why he might want "to get her out of the way." Usually they're financial motives.

However in domestic violence situations men beat up women causing permanent injury and even death almost every day. Why don't THEY just leave, and find another more compatible partner? Would it be perhaps because some men have fits of uncontrollable rage and anger and direct it towards their romantic partner? Are an excess of alcohol and/or drugs involved that blur one's normal sense of right and wrong?

R490, your post is one of the best I’ve ever seen on DL. Yikes, what a mess.

R532, yes, there are domestic violence murders. However, that doesn't seem to be the case here. Bf did the responsible thing and left the house for the night. It should be noted he might have done this many times before, we really don't know. If he was going to kill her in a fit of rage or drunken state, he would've done it in that moment, not leave and come back. Leaving usually means a cool down and there hasn't been any concrete proof that he was physically violent towards her. Him committing the murders makes absolutely no sense to me. I don't believe the Sheriff when he says he hasn't cooberated any of the bf's alibi either.

R533 You got that right. Mess.

R530 R529 Knows that the sheriff doesn't think that and has NEVER said that. You are correct that he implies the opposite every chance he gets. They think by making shit up they can make it happen.

R530 Please just listen to the most recent statements by the sheriff regarding how easily it is to get the FBI involved in any case. We can’t do your homework for you, we aren’t in HS anymore. And it’s laughable to me that anyone is bolstering their opinion via the comments of some washed up NYPD Detective named “Doody Don” (wtf is his name?) whispering (super creepy btw) his predictions into the phone based on literally no evidence on some radio crime blog with the word “gossip”’in the title. So weird. Did you hear some of the loons that called in during that segment? You go ahead and add THAT tidbit to you side of the scale of justice and I’ll just hang out here with ME report on mine.

R533 That is the nicest thing that anyone has ever said to me. In real life or anonymously.

This case is a shit show, good thing the FBI are intervening because the sheriff is more concerned with his 15 minutes of fame than investigating. Are the grifters going to accept the FBI findings or are they still pretending they need to raise more funds to "find the truth"?

This is what Nichol's friend Nicole posted. Hahaha I seriously doubt anyone is getting a refund.

R523, Unfortunately my tech abilities, including posting pictures from other sites, are not top notch. Therefore I've asked Nichol's good friend of over 15 years and goddaughter to her 2 kids to assist. Expect to read her posts very soon. Obviously she lives in San Antonio.

**bated breath**

What is going on with The Go Fund me?

Y’all. Kind of off topic, but kind of not: my bedroom REEKS of dog farts right now. Like I literall can’t take it....smells like poop and cereal. Boxers have the bowels of a rotting mule. Is there a DL thread for this type of sitch?

[quote]God help the murder victims and the accused in Bexar County.

I said this earlier. If you haven't spent a lot of time around cops, they aren't the sharpest people. It wasn't the people who are a top of the class that become cops. It would make you think it is a wonder anything gets solved, but you have to remember most criminals are also pretty dumb and sloppy.

People envision these super sophisticated affairs, but that's not what most criminal justice is.

r490 is a lot of conjecture based on the belief that everything law enforcement knows is also known to the public.

R546 I’d totes agree with this premise if Sheriff Tonto weren’t giving media interviews on the reg pretending that he’s being super “transparent” with the public. Quite frankly, I don’t think LE even knows everything LE knows when it comes to this case. Much less the public. Pretty sure Sheriff is reading post it notes from the real detectives moments before he steps up to the mic. I’m super pro law enforcement (yeah yeah F off) and I HATE this guy.

Answering an earlier question, Nichol's White father died when she was 8. Her mother was Black and did in her early 40's.

I've seen many documentaries where Detectives have solved some cold cases years later, it's truly amazing. I don't think they're dumb at all. However, this Sheriff is dumb, dumb, dumb. He also very unprofessional. He reminds me of the police chief from Sons of Anarchy.

R549 Agree X 100. He’s embarrassing his comrades in blue. And I’m pretty sure right now he’s beating off into the ME’s “one page report” whilst fantasizing about Paula Zahn and her blazer giving him the stage to lay out how he cracked the crime of the century. For all of that happen, and for him to be the hero, this case simply can’t wind up a regular ‘ol M-S.

I love how the attention whore sheriff gives an exclusive to the Daily Fail, and basically says there could be a killer on the loose in the neighborhood that no one knows about, as if that is going to be reassuring to the people in the area. He needs to stop giving interviews until they are ready to present actual evidence to the public.

‘Looks like killer had 10 hours to stage the scene. Not too hard if you have the time ‘

Or the brains....

While it is possible it is a murder suicide, it is unlikely when compared to how often these types of crimes are committed by the husband or boyfriend... FBI will sort it out, I hope.

Does this CW have so many staunch defenders here because wait for it .........

He’s even better looking than the other CW AND rich ???

R551 YOU’RE GONNA DIE!!! muahahjaha

[quote]I said this earlier. If you haven't spent a lot of time around cops, they aren't the sharpest people. It wasn't the people who are a top of the class that become cops. It would make you think it is a wonder anything gets solved

And all NO's friends belong to another category of stupid people. Hairstylists. Dumb as rocks. They didn't pursue an academic path in school for a reason. And they are all 100% RULED by gossip. It's a natural part of their daily lives and encouraged in their work. Clients expect to hear juicy gossip the salon and tip the biggest, most obnoxious drama queens the most.

Put it all together and you have a pathetic soup of hearsay, OTT lies and "whisper down the lane" bullshit so thick you could cut it with a knife.

R540, wow. That “friend” is on a power trip. Who’s this “we”?

“We will consult with the FBI regarding their level of involvement and will seek their recommendation as to our next steps”

Because a gaggle of selfie-taking gala-planners and their latest fundraising scam are a priority in this investigation. So important that federal employees during a government shutdown are going to CONSULT with you. Uh huh.

One of the donors requested that her donation go toward funeral expenses. The response: “We are not making that decision as of yet”. Power trip. (I’m all fairness, funeral expenses were not the goal of this GFM.)

And who’s this “we”?

R557, I think they all love the attention. They called the paper when the FBI involvement was announced to give their thoughts. Really who are they? They aren't even childhood, lifelong friends. I think the whole GFM was a scam. They had no plan to do anything investigative with the money. Like the saying goes... a fool and his money are soon parted.

R558, someone always tries to cash in. Always.

And, having followed a few of these cases on SM, there’s always a histrionic frau “best friend” who diverts the attention on to herself. And there’s usually someone with a GFM. Rinse, repeat.

Interesting to see that one of Alexa’s exes has done this. Put out his video tribute to her, and letting the media think he was her boyfriend, getting all the attention and backpats. Usually women do that.

No matter what, there will always be a contingent of people who suspect that CW is guilty (for the record I am not one of them ). I suspect that Nichol pulled the ultimate Gone Girl move.

R560, I tend to agree. The ultimate “FUCK YOU”. His life is a shambles and won’t ever fully recover. Leaving him wouldn’t hurt him at all. Murder-suicide ruined him.

I think there is an almost perfect circle of a Venn diagram of Patsy-Ramsey-accusers, Nichol-accusers, gamer-gaters and BernieBros.

If they’re straight, not AOC, because they want to fuck her. If they’re gay, neither CW, because they want to fuck them.

Woman-blaming, male-excusing. Thank god most men in my life are not like that.

And we don’t care about justice? That can’t be it.

Oops. Sorry. I think we are on the same side 562

[quote]The ultimate “FUCK YOU”. His life is a shambles and won’t ever fully recover. Leaving him wouldn’t hurt him at all. Murder-suicide ruined him

And here you have reason 1001 for why 99% of rich, young, good looking guys who are not damaged (or hiding something) would never get anywhere near a mess like NO for anything more than a short term hook up.

NO committed filicide.

[quote]Montez, Bribiescas, and Olsen’s oldest child, 22-year-old Skylar, were all from different fathers.

Fucking stupid skank.

I am about 70% certain that she did the murder-suicide. But that’s based on the ME’s finding and that this woman was a total mess. If there were more evidence, I would be happy to admit I’m wrong. There is just so much we dont know.

That idiot famewhore sheriff isn’t helping matters, either.

Odd findings... Out of all the friends that Nichol had and not one of them could come up with a picture of the three girls together for the funeral announcement or the vigil...?? One of the pallbearers for the London is an ex bf of nichol's (Mark Groleau) The school that London went to is not in the district for the address that they it's been reported that they were living in. No statement from the London's father- when on SM he's shown to be an active part of London's life

R569- how do you know that is an old boyfriend of Nichol's? I only ask because I feel like we've learned very little about her, other than having 3 kids and living with CW. As far as the statement, I honestly don't think he needs to give one. Some people like to grieve privately and owe nothing to the public.

R569, I’m still waiting for a single photo of NO with the girls, all in one frame. For the memorial stuff, there’s a photo of NO stuck next to a photo of the sisters together so it appears they’re all together. They couldn’t find ONE for the goddamn memorial announcement?

There’s a FB group scolding the DL doubters. And why is it even significant? And they don’t like what we’re implying.

Well? I’ll stop asking if anyone can post one.

I live in the area where this took place. When the news hit I asked a neighbor of mine "Do we know who this family was?" She said "she's london's mom (our kids go to the same school) remember,? she used to live up on Cielo Vista with that club owner ? I still had no clue who she was talking about so I got curious and searched. This guy spells his name with a "c" and is french Canadian. He does own a night club and they shared the same address as nichol (not a million dollar house ) but very nice. If you look at the picture in the laundry room the names "Alexa & London are on a chalk board labeled "chores" Not sure if they owned the house or just renting. a simple search for his names brings this address as one he lived at as well as nichol. There are other pics of them together on SM. Perhaps he was a father figure and it's why hes a pallbearer. I just found it all very curious....

As for the other points r569 made, I don’t blame London’s father for keeping quiet. He might have some insight into NO’s character and doesn’t want to say anything. I’m sure he’s grieving. It was weird that he didn’t ID the body officially, but I don’t think he did anything bad. Aside from not paying his child support.

R572, good find!

So many shady men in this girls’ lives.

I know the “c” person to whom u r referring. Many pictures she shown in, are shot from that homes back yard pool.

Where r there sm pics of the two? Nothing in hers, perhaps you mean her private accounts?

So Nichol was basically a professional gold-digger, R572. Not surprising.

How was the guy mentioned in R574 shady, R574? Because he owned a night club?

R571- they used the same pictures that were out in the media already, it's strange there isn't one with at least one daughter. I'm not a big picture taker, but NO seemed to have a ton with her friends and Charlie. You'd think she'd have a few with her kids. My belief is that she wasn't with her kids very much. Seems like the youngest one was always by the aunt or her dad and that's why she went to the school in another area. Someone said upthread that she spent Christmas with Charlie's family and her kids were nowhere around. The youngest kid also spent NYE with the aunt. Seems like NO and Charlie also traveled a bit with no kids in sight. I know women like NO, who seem like they are involved parents to outsiders, but in reality spend little time with their kids. Their priority is going out socializing and trying to hang onto their man.

R572- so she lived with the guy too? How many men did she move her kids in with!? I assume this is the guy.

When the investigation is complete I hope this gaggle of friends and surface acquaintances brace themselves for the unsavory and ugly truths that will surface. NO may very well have been all the things her friends claim she was but there are a lot of dark little secrets and ugliness in all circles of society.

R577 Unless the guy was just her roommate, they shared the same address. The girls appeared to live there since it's the same district as the little one went to and their names were on a chalk board in the laundry room. He's also listed as a pallbearer for London on her obit

Somebody was talking about how NO had nice homes before. I wasn't paying too much attention, but $1000 rent was mentioned. That will not even get you a closet where I live. Even in SA , that's not much for 3 people. They also kept saying she rented the house at R572. There is no way she could afford that home on a 4 day a week hairdressing salary with 3 kids. I think she was a sugar baby type woman. Hence why she seemed to move a lot. Now I'm really curious how she and Charlie met. She lucked out though, because he is richer than these other guys and 100x better looking than any of the other men she's been with. My ass she was ever going to leave him.

$1000 will get you a lot of house in Texas. I lived in Galveston and paid $750 for a 3 bedroom with a 2 car garage, hot tub and huge back yard. Now I’m in New York and I couldn’t get a room share for that.

I find it very odd that if one of her BFF's runs (serves on the board) of a DV non-profit that NO wouldn't go to her if she was looking to leave CW and indeed there was DV issues. Or even worse that her BFF didn't help her with advice or resources on how to leave a DV situation. Especially if there were kids involved. Three years ago a close friend of mine brought her neighbor over to my house to "hide-out" while the secured the restraining order. My friend is no expert or have resources for DV she just acted bc she knew the kids were in danger.

My sister was in an abusive marriage for 5 years. We all tried to talk sense in to her and get her to leave but she’s wouldn’t. It wasn’t until he became abusive toward their son that she finally got out. It usually takes years and dozens of incidents of abuse before women leave.

Isn't she the one with a prior DV charge? Perhaps she was totally mentally unstable. She sure seemed to have led a flaky, chaotic life.

I don't buy the domestic violence claim against him at all. She wasn't some young, naive girl. She's been in multiple relationships. She didn't have any children with him. It wasn't a long relationship where she would be beat down by him. She was socializing a lot; wasn't hiding. I know a woman who was abused and she wouldn't socialize much or bring the few friends she still had around her husband. If NO had so many friends, why wouldn't they help her? Instead they were posing with Charlie and liking his pics. If she was such a great mother, why would she bring her kids into that situation? I'm not saying the guy was a saint, but this doesn't seem like an abusive situation. More likely she was the abusive one. I think her friends are complete liars.

Maybe “c” was just a friend of hers. House is listed for rent. Why not pool together with friends for a nicer place. Wouldn’t be the first time.

R585 I agree with you! I think NO was very good at playing it up to her friends. There is no way these wealthier friends she made a long the way would have let her into their social circle had she came to them with the truth of her messy life situation. Her obit reads like she was a bible studying, devoted mom, business women....BS...this women knew how to play the game and social climb. That alone doesn't make her a murderer...

R585, oh I believe he was a dick to her, even in front of her friends. Abuse? I don’t know.

There are couples who get off on the drama. My sister is a gorgeous borderline who has never had a stable relationship. I see the same pattern with NO. Except my sister was smart enough not to have children.

R587, Yup. The friends all seem well off, many are married with children. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know the whole truth about her background. Though it's hard to hide having a 23 yr old son at 15. I guarantee social climbing was involved by NO to get into that circle of friends. Then it becomes keeping up with the Jones'. You have to have the big house, take the vacations, dress a certain way, do all the social stuff they do or else you are left in the dust. This woman was under a lot of pressure from every angle.

R589, no doubt. She was leveling up, but not sure how grand the new scene was. Not to be a snob, but I’m not sure how high society her scene was. If Wheeler was Old Money (was he?), she was never going to make it. The tattoos alone were a disqualifier. The girls, no matter how darling, were an impediment. The son was an absolute liability.

There’s also a Gaston Miramontes, age 36, linked with her name, but I have no idea what their relationship was. He’s not listed as family in the obituaries.

R589 I live in the area and her circle of friends was upper middle class at best. Still a big climb from where she was. Old money in SA is very closed off to newcomers like in most parts of the south. They tend not be flashy as they see that as tacky behavior. I have a friend that after being widowed and has a child married a man that was old money and his family was not thrilled that she had a child from a previous marriage even though the poor man had died in a car crash 5 years prior.

Nichol's father died when she was just 8 years old. Never easy on a child. Again Nichol is 1/2 White and 1/2 Black. Mixed race in the South, that is TX was still not widely acceptable at that time period. Kudos to Nichol for becoming a licensed hairdresser while being a single mom.

London's aunt spoke to the media immediately, saying she'd see the murderer (implying the BF) "rot in prison." She spoke very highly of Nichol. Obviously she spent a lot of time with niece, and planned to take her to Costa Rica this coming summer. Perhaps London's school was close to her aunt's. Or she just didn't want to change schools as it would be disruptive.

Story is getting wider media attention, 1st time in the NY Post. Are plans in the works for a TV movie? Will they cast a light skinned, mixed race Black woman or try to go with one that's Hispanic?

MG, the club owner is French. Why is DL putting down a club owner as a "low-life?" Oh, that's right. DL also puts down the legitimate job of a licensed hairdresser, which requires attendance at beauty school and passing state board tests,. Meanwhile a lot of college grads from good schools are unemployed or underemployed.

By the way many in Nichol's social circle are college graduates and professionals. They didn't look down on her mixed race heritage or background. Everyone has skeletons in their closet but mature, healthy people are more concerned with a person's overall character and loyalty.

R590&R592, True. They are definitely nowhere near old money, but yes they are a step up from where NO came from. Multiple kids, tattoos, and mixed race etc.. are not something most old money families would welcome. Truth be told, many rich, upper middle or even middle class families wouldn't want it either. My family would have a heart attack if someone like NO or a male counterpart were brought home. Often times wealthy families control the purse strings and that can be very persuasive in who their children pick as mates. That is why rich usually marry rich, often to people connected through their parents social circles.

R594- it's been in the NY Post, as well as Newsweek, Fox News etc.. and I think the main reason that is is because of Charlie's 'luxury home.'

Not to mention R595, NO totally totally gave CW a makeover. Have you seen some of those earlier photos of him? I couldn't figure out his background matching up with the metrosexual sockless loafer-wearing and the hipster beard. That is so not fracking, oil drilling, no college degree, small town Texas. She clearly took him shopping and did some major styling. At least he got that out of the bargain.

[quote]Three years ago a close friend of mine brought her neighbor over to my house to "hide-out" while the secured the restraining order. My friend is no expert or have resources for DV she just acted bc she knew the kids were in danger.

You were stupid to do agree to do that. You could have been killed. Innocent bystanders often are when someone is hiding out from a dangerous abuser. That woman and her kids should have been at a safe house.

[quote]Often times wealthy families control the purse strings and that can be very persuasive in who their children pick as mates. That is why rich usually marry rich, often to people connected through their parents social circles.

This isn't the real reason people tend to choose mates from their own social background. In the end, most people pair off with partners who are most like them, with the same type of upbringing, cultural background and values. These unions tend to be the most stable and long lasting as well.

New thread.