Woman and two daughters killed in boyfriend's multi-million dollar home

This story is so interesting. The mom had 3 kids with 3 different fathers. Seems to have been married and divorced as a teenager. She's attractive, but I don't know how she landed a hot, rich boyfriend. She was also arrested for domestic assault a few years back. They don't know if this was a murder/suicide or homicide. Boyfriend wasn't home at the time.

Boyfriend looks like a total douchebro.

I can fix redeye on my fucking phone & a news organization can’t? That’s fucking stupid

Most murders of a woman and her children are perpetrated by the man in her life.

Intruders just want to get in, get whatever they want, and get out. It's been a long time since any unknown intruder was found to have killed an entire family, if ever.

Datalounge Detective Squad, assemble!

Countdown to either the boyfriend or the girls' father confessing in 3...2...1....

The boyfriend looks cute. Clearly the mother is guilty of the murders, and probably tax evasion.

^one of the girls' fathers (brain faster than fingers...)

She was [italic]15[/italic] when she had her fist child (Skylar)?!

Oops - first child!

My bet: a jealous ex BF who went bonkers that she was able to snag that new H.P.O.A

Her Instagram.

This woman was trash.

But goodlooking, presentable trash.

Honestly this could go anyway but my money's on the bf. Not that the woman couldn't do it if she's a pyscho, but it makes less sense given the kids aren't the bf's. Murder suicides typically seem to be to hurt the other parent.

This fella apparently bought a tract home in San Antonio for $1M last year, ok, but by the time one finishes the article it's morphed into a 'multi-million dollar home', and a 'mansion'. Must be the same writer who wrote about the Glamorous Houston Couple® murder/suicide in their '$1.5 home' (sic) last year.

Yeah, a mansion that ain't. The Daily Mail writers have no concept of American home prices.

R16 Agh, '$1.5M home' (sic) obviously. tsk tsk

"He told police he returned to the property at 9.07am after the spending the night elsewhere and found the three of them dead inside.... It is unclear where he was overnight or before he found them.... On Thursday night, police towed Wheeler's 2013 Ford pick-up from the scene."

I don't think it's a murder/suicide by the mother of the girls. It will be interesting to find out where Wheeler was the previous night.

R4 in 2007, Jennifer Petit and her two t(w)een daughters were mercilessly raped, strangled, and set on fire by two male intruders who'd randomly targeted them earlier that day for burglary. They saw the mother and younger daughter leaving the grocery store and followed them home and then broke in after midnight. Only the father survived, though he had been beaten with a bat pretty badly and left for dead.

Then, of course, you have the Clutter family whose vicious murder in the '50s by two would-be robbers was the basis for Truman Capote's IN COLD BLOOD.

If the house is only worth a million, why call it a "multi-million dollar home"?

click bait

He probably killed them in a fit of man-child rage. The mother probably didn't cook his dinner right, and pampered, rich, white boys don't get mad, they get even.

It looks like someone pushed the guy's nose and lower jaw to the right before the clay had dried.

Gated community = cameras everywhere. This should get sorted quickly.

R20- The Petits weren't so random. The main reason they were specifically targeted was not the robbery but because the younger guy, who had a thing for adolescent girls, wanted to sexually assault the younger daughter. She caught his attention when she was shopping with the mom and sister and he followed them home. Of course robbing the family was also high on their list.

R21- some articles stated it was over a million.

I'm shocked nobody has come up with 'he was cheating with the older daughter and mom flew into a fit of jealousy and killed them all.' Not that I believe that, but it's what I've come to expect on these threads:) Some comments elsewhere think the bf hired someone to do it. Others think the mom was asked to leave the home and she did this. That makes no sense. I don't think the mom did it. Why would she shoot herself in the upper body and not the head? All three were shot in the upper body.

I don't know. That sounds pretty brutal.

Any chance he wasn't around because his dealer was coming over? The three women in the wrong place at the wrong time?

R26, I knew a police officer who committed suicide, shot to the chest (upper body), not the head. No, I don't think the mother committed suicide.

Datalounge now does double duty as the HLN Auxiliary. But as board fave Woody Allen said, nothing is interesting other than sex and death.

[quote]He told police he returned to the property at 9.07am after the spending the night elsewhere and found the three of them dead inside...It is unclear where he was overnight or before he found them.

I think we have our answer right here.

People do not randomly spend the night away from their own homes without a very good reason.

No brainer. The boyfriend did it.

Jesus!! No, Jesus!! Don’t kill the white peoples!

[quote]I don't think the mom did it. Why would she shoot herself in the upper body and not the head?

I once read an article that stated that suicide methods are different between men and women. Men are more likely to shoot themselves in the head, while women aim for the torso if they use a gun at all to commit suicide. I think it's because women are more concerned with their appearance. Either they want to look good after death or they don't want to upset loved ones who may find them with disfigured faces.

When you're killing three though, you're more likely to be in a hurry, a 10 year old and especially a teenager could fight back as well as an adult - and aiming for the head is a lot harder than aiming for the chest. So say the policemens anyhow.

Oh I got confused with my answer at R34 - but anyway, I think the truck guy did it. A million dollar house and a 2013 truck? So he's penny wise and pound foolish? (not to mention a psychopath)

R35 what's wrong with having a 2013 truck?

The boyfriend was fucking the girlfriend’s high school daughter and girlfriend found out and then killed kids and herself.

GF found out BF had groomed and started sleeping with GF’s daughter. GF told him she was going to police so he killed all witnesses. More likely scenario than above.

It’s always the boyfriend or an ex.

ALWAYS.

Nothing I guess R36 - I just associate trucks with the poors - especially 5 year old trucks.

He’s hawt to death!

R38 I was going to write that as a second option but was too lazy.

Lots of man-hating going on here, especially R39.

Are statistics "man-hating" as well, R43?

Maybe the mom was pregnant with kid #4 with the cute hipster boyfriend or one of the other husbands blew a gasket

She looks like she could be on one of those real housewives shows

The mom had fake titties.

....

The boyfriend would be cuter if he didn't have that gross bushy beard.

,,,,

[quote] GF found out BF had groomed and started sleeping with GF’s daughter. GF told him she was going to police so he killed all witnesses. More likely scenario than above.

I'm betting on this.

Sad, R49. Lots of good old boys who aren't man enough to let the women move on, eh? What losers.

"If I can't have her no one can!"

Very backwoods, slave-owner mentality in those murderous man-children. No one belongs to another human, they don't own those women (and children) no matter how long they were married or how many spawn from their genetic material she crapped out.

The life of that type of heterosexual is sick and sad.

He did it. There is something VERY off about him that he couldn't find a woman in his own league. That's why he was slumming it with her. Typical hair stylist. They all have messy lives. Three kids with three different dads, starting at age 15. Ugh. No way if this guy was normal he would go anywhere near that.

The 22 year old half-brother was probably the victim of the mom's domestic violence charge. I think he should be looked at.

R45, I was wondering whether she was pregnant as well.

I'm just sad that the "Please don't let them be, please don't let them be..." Troll seems to have passed on...

That boyfriend is Hot. I think the mom murder suicided.

The gun bounced around the Corinthian granite-like kitchen surfaces - taking out three mug cradlers. At once. They composted, you know. Good people.

I remember the Petit murders when thy happened, They were one of the most horrifying things I’ve ever read. I can’t imagine what the family went through.

WHY does the media and many posters believe it was a murder suicide? Beautiful, employed woman and daughters, and no clear signs of mental illness. Socially acceptable for Hispanic women to have 1st child while still a young teen as abortion is still taboo. Multiple fathers and boyfriends for each child common.

R51😂 go back to the diabetic thread, eh?

Bet it's the boyfriend's brother. BF called the police after finding the 3 bodies. Oldest son was away in college, heartbreaking for him.

R43 is a snowflake that can't accept reality.

Anyway, wake me up when the boyfriend is arrested.

[quote]Nichol never married London's father, 37-year-old Hector Jose Bribiesca, but she sued him for child support in 2013.

What about this guy? Maybe he was tired of paying child support while his babymama lived in a million-dollar McMansion.

About the mother from the DM article: In March of 2014, she was charged with a domestic assault. [borderline!?] The case was dropped when the witness failed to appear in court, however.

Not that I think she did it - but sounds like she was violent. Divorced twice by age 25. Sounds like a borderline. They're often rageful and violent (and self-harming) - not sure they're often murderers though. But in a rage, she could have done this, after he walked out in a huff during an argument.

And then again, it's usually the boyfriend.

At least he didn't hide their bodies, like the men do in Colorado.

LOL @ R59. Are you high?

It will turn out to be the boyfriend who did it. All signs point to him.

R67 Or he hired someone to do it.

This tragedy has elements of this tragedy:

R58 I was going to type the same thing. Absolutely horrific. I read that the father was engaged or just got remarried a few years ago. I hope he's happy. He's got to have some serious ptsd from what happened to his family and nearly getting beat to death himself.

As for this case, my first thought was the BF was sleeping with the daughter and hired someone to kill them all. The truth will come out.

how long it will be before the BF is arrested ?

Maybe she threatened to go to the police about him raping her daughters.

Trust me. Rich, good looking young men don't choose messy trash like this woman unless there is a reason. He was likely a pedo after her kids.

I bet it's drug-related.

Oh come on. Why are wasting time here? It’s always the husband or the boyfriend. Never fails.

It's not a murder-suicide, if that trashy woman was living in a million-dollar home with an attractive guy she'd think she was on top of the world rather than ready to kill herself! And even if the relationship was over she wouldn't think it was the end of the world, she still had her looks and if she'd gotten one rich-ish guy she could get another. So unless someone comes up with a documented history of severe mental illness, i'm going to rule out suicide and murder-suicide.

The only question is, which man in her life did it? Probably the guy she was living with, but she's got enough babydaddys to muddle the question.

It's going to turn out the boyfriend did it, or hired someone to do the hit while he was at an alibi location.

He has money. I think he paid someone to do his dirty work.

Mim’s IG seems to say she ALSO had a son?!

When did this person have time to do anything other than spit out babies?

R52 makes a good point.

He was slumming it bigly.

What’s the background on the boyfriend. Who are his parents, has he been married, any kids, where did he go to school. Has that been released yet. Did he have an Instagram?

Yes, his Instagram is set to private: cwheeler9487.

The boyfriend looks creepy af.

R77, As I posted earlier, her son's away at college. Evidently she got pregnant at 14, didn't believe in abortion, later married the father. Divorced at age 17, as most teen marriages which result in a pregnancy don't last.

Her 2nd divorce was at age 25 was after birthing a daughter, who was a high school cheerleader. Her 3rd marriage resulted in another daughter, who was 10. She was living with her new boyfriend in his home.

LE impounded boyfriend's truck for analysis. Would this be the normal procedure if they did not suspect his involvement in the multiple murder case? Also is any other online site covering this story?

He’d be number one suspect so I’d assume impounding his truck would be standard procedure. As someone said, in a gated community there must be cameras everywhere and it should be easy to find out who came in to the premises.

A bullet went through those sacks of silicone? What a waste of money. Did this rich little douche canoe boyfriend pay for the tits?

She was very pretty (she resembles Kim K. to me) but, yes, that is a TON of baggage. He is young, hot and well off, why pick a woman with 3 baby daddy's? She doesn't seem to have good judgement, even up until her death. Living with a man with her young daughters in the house is not smart.

R79- I don't know his educational background, but I don't think he has kids. That's why I'm not sold that he did it. Unlike the Colorado twosome, this guy wasn't married to her and didn't have kids with her. He simply could have just dumped her if he wanted to get rid of her. Here's his FB; not much to see.

R82- she didn't marry the youngest kid's father. Google her name and the story will pop up.

Blech, he’s a huntin’, cowboy hat wearin’ deplorable. Something doesn’t add up though, guys like that don’t usually go for latinos with multiple baby daddies. Certainly not at 31. I’ll be watching this unfold with interest.

Clearly he's a pedo. They DO target single moms for access to the kids.

R37 = Woody Allen

Omg. I look on that Facebook page and I see my nieces and my sister in law's niece in his friends. WTF.

Agreed, r86.

The oldest daughter looks black...

The mom, Nichol (I thought we were done with that name after the Watts case) has a pic of her black brother in her Instagram. I don't know if they're half or full siblings. All of her children look very different. The oldest child, the 22 yr old son, looks Filipino.

Was the mom latina though R86? Olsen is a Scandinavian name.

But if you were going to hire someone to kill your gf and her children, wouldn't you have it done someplace other than your own home? Where you have to continue living after that?

[R94]

I'd bet that's exactly what he's telling the cops: "But officers, if I wanted to kill her, why would I do it in my own home?"

After looking at the photo of the woman and her kids, I'm tempted to think he may have shown some interest in the youngest daughter prior to the "mysterious" deaths.

R95, I mean, I know everyone is not going to plan out a murder like a Hitchcock villain, but who wants to come home to that kind of a mess? (Or see police photos that stay in your mind forever?)

[R96]

I'm only speculating just as you are, but some of these killers have done it in their own homes and staged it the way I think this guy did.

I don't think he had he guts to do it himself so he paid someone to do it for him and make it look like a home invasion, or murder/suicide.

He may have started diddling the youngest daughter and her mother may have made the mistake of extorting something from him rather than grab her kids and get out of there.

Being that pretty yet having three kids with three different baby-daddies doesn’t point to solid mental stability either. But I agree, alot of straight, hot, douche bros go after a woman w daughters as an indirect way of gaining access. I know a very successful hedge fund trader who is seeing such a woman. In pics, he’s awfully attentive to her 16 y.o. girl. Ive seen it before w a college head football coach and famous hair salon owner here in NYC. Gross.

Everybody got a different last name - I can't keep up....

This is what you all consider hot??? LMAOOOO he's basic as fuck.

He has psycho eyes.

He’s a deplorable. I’m sure daddy’s money has gotten him out of any fix and he’s an entitled douche.

How does a young guy own so much???

Clearly another trust fund kid. Why are there so many of them these day?

He's a douchey hipster, but definitely hot.

I don't see the hot at all

Just checked his Facebook. He’s trying too hard to appear like straight a Texas douche bro.

And yes r52 has a good point. He is an attractive, successful with no baggage and he picks this trashy woman.

White rich guys pick women who are beneath them in status to have control over them. He probably thought he could do whatever he wanted, and her daughter could play a role in what he wanted, but she wasn't having that.

R106 I don't think she's trashy; she's quite attractive herself.

He was molesting one or both of those girls and mom found out and confronted him. Then he killed them all.

When did the murders happen?

She and her daughters were very pretty

Shouldn't you ladies take your silly speculation to Murder Whores Anonymous?

You can't be serious, R108. Trashiness has nothing to do with attractiveness. And even if it did, she isn't very attractive anyway. She looks like a daytime stripper.

The oldest daughter, on the other hand, is a natural beauty @ R110. You heard it here first, folks. Pedo creep BF was diddling the kids. She found out and was either threatening to go to the police or extorting money in exchange for her silence. Now anyone who could turn him in is dead.

I hope she told friends or her family what was going on.

This guy is no criminal genius. He’s not even a gangster. The cops will find evidence tying him to the murders. No way in hell he isn’t their prime suspect. They’re after his ass. Only a matter of time before he’s arrested.

Rich white guys are the biggest "gangsters"...

Look at this girl.

Is that the daughter r117?

Yep. The high school cheerleader. She was built like a grown ass woman.

Poor black inner city flyovers in this thread are fascinating!

R120 excuse me?

Couple pics of the son. He's handsome. Is he part Japanese?

This guy must be destroyed. How horrible.

I might be in the minority here, but I think the mother was prettier than the daughter.

I’ll take good care of that young man.

The sheriff made it sound like a murder suicide but why? She had 3 kids and just bagged herself a handsome stud and was living in his mansion, why would she do that?

They do that to keep the boyfriend thinking he still might just get away with it while they nail him to the wall.

It's like not letting trump know all the shit they have on him. Let him run his fucking mouth and hang himself.

The implication might be that the stud wanted to break up with her, BUT we don't know if that's true.

Or if the sheriff is an old friend of boyfriend's father...

Ooh, I like when DL plays Nancy Drew. Always entertaining.

R129, we never really got any closure from the Houston Primo Gay couple.

We've stayed thirsty, my friend...

Just one look at the daughter @ R117 and you know he did it. He was about to get reported for molesting her.

Did the daughter get breast implants?

Baby daddy? So ghetto.

R47 I blame porn.

R132 it looks like it. The mom had implants.

Any tragedy that features non black people with glorified tract housing brings out the gleeful poor blacks who obsess about the case to escape their slum ridden realities. Extra interest if a perp is Asian. Sad existence. Very entertaining though.

The bf was fucking the daughter

[QUOTE]it looks like it. The mom had implants.

Wonder if mom’s boyfriend paid for them.

When did this happen? I'm in the area and this was not on the news yesterday, they went on and on about some latino toddler that had died and of course the family tried to cover it up.

The hot daughter probably seduced him.

R136 what do black people have to do with this? Black people do not show joy, the issue is that crimes are committed by white men on a daily basis and most get away with the shit. Black men get arrested for any and every little thing, sometimes without even committing a fucking crime.

I wonder if they recovered all four cell phones. If those were missing, that would be telling.

If they lived in a gated community wouldn't they have to go through security? I didn't think the mom did it, but the wording in the story makes it seem like they think it's a murder/suicide.

This is the frauiest thread in a long time, at least since Meghan Markle last wore a dress.

It happened two days ago.

A suicide with a shot to the chest? I guess it’s possible but the head seems like it would be a quicker, guaranteed, “easier” death. I used to date a paramedic and being shot in the chest isn’t always an instantaneous death. Many of them didn’t die until later at the hospital.

Murder-suicide sounds very unlikely. Did the bf have a business rival, drug connection, extremely jealous ex?

I don't think that the mom shot anyone. I think that the molestation thing makes the most sense, and that he had them killed. I don't think that they are looking at anyone other than him.

TBH it feels like he was going to leave her and she knew she wouldn't get that stud cock anywhere else so she offed her family.

R149 why would a mother kill her own children over a man? He's not even their father.

r150 Why does anyone commit suicide? It's not like they're thinking rationally

Women don’t really do that though. Men overreact and shoot themselves and/or their families over broken relationships and lost jobs and money issues. Women don’t. This woman could be the exception that proves the rule but I highly doubt it. Women are far more resilient than men and more likely to turn their hurt inward than lash out at the word. Besides this woman has had how many men leave her and the kids at this point.

As said above the most likely scenario is that BF molested the oldest daughter; daughter told her mom; mom threatened to go to police; BF killed all of them as they were all witnesses to his criminal behavior.

Olivia Benson, Fin Tutuola, Amanda Rollins and Dominic Carisi Jr are now on the case!

No Stabler?

The son was pretty hot, maybe he did it

The son is away in college

This article says: Authorities found records showing sheriff’s officials made four visits to the home last year, a spokesman said. Three of those visits were attempts to serve court papers, while a fourth visit was to document a reported theft.

[quote]No Stabler?

Stabler no longer works as a detective, he's long gone from SVU....are you watching reruns?! 😂 🤣😂 🤣😂 🤣

Yep r159. I like the old school SVU episodes

SVU is still on? I was still a teenager when that show first came along. I recently turned 39.

R158, Did you find out what the court papers and the theft entailed?

R162- no. I only know what's in the article. Maybe someone who knows where to dig for that info could find out.

R152 sometimes they do. Susan Smith, Casey Anthony, Christy Sheats, Diane Downs, and most like this case, Carola Arnau and Jessica Eadens, who killed themselves as well as their children. (six more killer-moms at link)

Maybe this one was infuriated that her boyfriend was interested in her daughter and the jealousy threw her into a fit of rage - then she sort of came to and realized what she'd done and killed herself. She may have been borderline - or even schizophrenic for all we know.

I still think it's probably the guy, so I'm not trying to jump the gun and blame mom, but it happens. And this woman obviously cared a lot about her appearance - had had multiple relationships which obviously tended to be unstable ones - there are some markers of a dysfunctional personality right there. But then, he's weird too. Hopefully forensics will tell the tale.

This case will be easier than you think-

This douchebro is not married to this woman, so the killings are NOT FINANCIALLY based.

If he killed them, he is hiding something that would destroy him.

Or it is someone else, definitely an acquaintance of the girlfriend.

I am buying the fucking the daughter theory at this point.

Otherwise, it is possibly an enemy of the douchebro's and these poor women are collateral damage-

I think moms kill their kids, in general, to save them from some perceived danger, be it Satan or their dad or removal from the home or what not. And dads kill their kids to punish the moms.

So if the mom felt the only way to protect or save her kids was to off them and suicide..... That's the only logic I see getting close to a murder-suicide. Unless the daughter killed the mom and then offed herself?

I still say a big drug deal gone wrong. I grew up out there, and there are a lot of very rich Colombians and Mexicans around.

When Carisi's figured this case out he should come and see me. For fucking. He's hot.

My two cents: boyfriend is in on it.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

"The bf was fucking the daughter "

But which daughter, the hot teen or the little girl?

What's the age of consent in Texas, anyway? Because if she was 17, fucking her may have been creepy, but perfectly legal. But even being accused of fucking a ten-year-old would have destroyed him, there are people out there who'd kill just to stop an accusation.

Age of consent works differently in different states.

For instance in some states the age of consent is 17 but they can only consent to a person up to a certain age. Not all states are letting 17 year olds get fucked by 40 year olds.

One of my best friends was a close friend of deceased mother. All I can say is that the mother didn’t commit suicide. I saw her last month and yes she was beautiful and happy with no psych history. Tragic

R172, did she have any crazy jealous ex-boyfriends or ex-husbands?

"I think moms kill their kids, in general, to save them from some perceived danger, be it Satan or their dad or removal from the home or what not."

Which doesn't add up in this case. This is someone who'd survived the breakups with all her previous babydaddies and she'd survived and found new men, she still had her looks and presumably had her cosmetologist's license. If the boyfriend was a threat to her daughters, you'd think she'd either walk out and go back to cutting hair, or kill HIM.

Women who kill their kids and themselves are usually facing dire circumstances, they're plunging into dire poverty or something equally horrible, and the mother decides it's kinder to end it all than to let her children grow up in foster care or homeless shelters. Or they're batshit crazy, and there's always the possiblility that this is the case here, but this woman hasn't been in and out of nuthouses of homeless shelters, the way many mentally ill people are. No, this woman had a marketable skill and her looks, and child support money coming in from the earlier babydaddies, by all appearances losing Mr. McMansion wouldn't have been the end of everything for her.

Although if Mr. McMansion is arrested, betcha 100K that his defense lawyer tries to portray the hot momma as mentally ill and unstable.

I heard my friend say that the mother did have a black eye recently.

R172, I was very upset when the Daily Fail implied that it could have been a murder-suicide situation. Wasn't she still working as a hair stylist and helping to support her too kids? Very beautiful woman & kids, so very tragic.

For how long can the police impound the BF's truck? Wouldn't they have to make a public statement to the media?

She was still working. She did my friend’s hair.

R172- what's the boyfriend like?

At this point, the only thing that I know about the boyfriend is that he had a drinking problem.

Yes, I think it's a drug deal wrong too. Many of the new money (or wealth flaunting) people in the US are pushing drugs. However, I don't think the mother was involved but only the BF.

The deceased mother was also in a prayer group.

Those bushy hipster beards are always a red flag.

I’ve never know a guy with one of those who wasn’t completely psycho.

Not to mention they are gross.

I live right next door to one of these assholes, Texas, gun nut deplorable, hipster beard, mommy and daddy'$ "help". Total psychopath under a charming veneer. Can't tell these douchebros apart.

He probably had the daughters as his own personal sex slaves.

Am I crazy but I think the son and boy friend look alike . They have the same bushy eyebrows.

[quote]Very beautiful woman & kids, so very tragic.

But if they were unattractive it wouldn't be tragic?

R186, Don't be so silly. Of course it's tragic when anyone is murdered. IMHO young girls are always beautiful. So sad that they didn't have a chance to really grow up. Their mother's beautiful because she had such a warm, friendly smile and bright, loving eyes. That's MY definition of "beautiful."

Sadly, I think the beauty of the mother and eldest daughter was their undoing, it brought them into the orbit of the creep who killed them.

R188, Do you think a stranger killed them or was it the BF who owned their home.

The son looks like Andrew Cunnanan

Very curious why are the DL detectives are accusing the boyfriend of abusing the teenage daughter instead of trying to label him gay? I thought we had an obligation here to label all attractive guys as gay.

He has psycho face, r191. We don’t want him.

Interesting how the main photo at post r164 about killer mom’s in black and white...

Susan Smith killed her kids in the 1990s.

It happens but not nearly as frequently.

Domestic violence is big on the USA, with a long history.

Three scenarios are equally plausible to me:

1. Drug deal gone bad.

2. Domestic abuse.

3. Caught abusing daughters.

Yeah, but all the killer moms in R164--except for eagle-eyed Sheats--killed very young children. It's not so easy to chase around a pair of teenagers with a gun and succeed in shooting them.

[quote] Sadly, I think the beauty of the mother and eldest daughter was their undoing, it brought them into the orbit of the creep who killed them.

Every creep has a hair stylist, hot or not.

I don't think it is fair to crucify the BF just yet. He hasn't been charged with anything thus far.

R197 is Chris Watts

R198 the guy who killed his wife and two young daughters last August?

I'm just saying R197 that he hasn't been charged, so branding him a psycho and child molestor seem unfair right now. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but since he hasn't been arrested, all the accusations are a bit harsh at the moment.

In the cases of a mother killing her kids and then committing suicide, were any of them working outside the home? Steady employment is a clear sign of mental stability. In this case we know she's working as a hair stylist.

R200 He's a trophy hunter, which means he's a pig, and we are forced to look at that ugly ass beard in just about every picture he's in. For those reasons we aren't cutting him any slack, and have pronounced him guilty.

R201, at least one was (see link) - Carola Arnau: "Carola earned a B.A. in Education and a Master's in Archaeology. She was working as a Program Assistant with the I.U. 13."

I don't think this one was, but I thought this was interesting, which was mentioned in an article about her killing her children and then herself: Jessica Edens is the third mother to kill her children in Pickens County (South Carolina) in the past six years. Susan Hendricks is serving life in prison for killing her two adult sons, her ex-husband and her stepmother in 2011, while Suzanna Simpson is serving a life sentence for killing her 7-year-old daughter and 5-year-old son as they slept, as well as shooting her husband in the head. He survived.

Crissakes what is wrong with people?

"Susan Smith killed her kids in the 1990s. "

But not herself. The cases aren't analogous, that bitch killed her little kids because she thought she were keeping her from getting a well-off man, while the mom in this case managed to get a well-off man with kids in tow.

No, this woman didn't fit the profile of women who kill their kids, who are usually batshit crazy, facing desperate circumstances, or are sociopaths who think the children are an impediment of some sort. This woman was sane enough to work and form relationships, she was doing well enough financially, and the children hadn't kept her from getting a man with a high net worth. It's not a murder-suicide.

Oops - I was posting in one thread - switched to this one before it posted - and now it's in the wrong thread! Sorry...

Never mind me at R206. My eyes or the computer are playing tricks on me.

But what if she found out her daughter and her boyfriend were having an affair, R205. And she was in a rage. Killing the younger one doesn't make any sense, but people in rage fits are thinking very well.

Still doesn't mean she did it. I think it should be relatively easy to figure out - fingerprints/that residue stuff would have to be on her hand if she shot anybody.

* are NOT thinking very well...

R208, So she'd lash out against both daughters but not her BF? Doesn't make any sense.

Why is TX LE so quiet? Would like to find out if they ever returned the BF car. Has there been any media follow-up or online discussions anywhere on this case?

The DL go-to explanations are getting creepier. This guy is a child molester and Jayme Closs is a conniving, homicidal brat. Next thing you know, Ruth Bader Ginsburg will be accused of faking her illness for attention.

If there's one thing I've learned from decades of watching tv, it's that law enforcement doesn't rush to publicize each and every step in an investigation, especially in a high profile case. Why should they? If they think it's the boyfriend then they will get him in due course.

What about an admirer of the oldest daughter? Some incel at her high school.

All the paternity and lie-detector shows I'll now miss because of all this dead trash.

But at least the man can still be baby daddy to more aspirational Texan scum.

I doubt the youngest daughter and boyfriend were having an affair. 1) The mom is hot, imo hotter than the daughter 2) The daughter seems to have implants already so she’s not an overprotected, innocent girl. She has her pick of hot jocks. 3) If they did hook up after he got with mom, she would be furious and betrayed but she let her daughter have implants. She’s not some fundie who would shoot her family over sex and she has lots of experience moving on from men who weren’t the right match.

The only bf/daughter diddling that would make a mom commit murder/suicide would be if he was raping the youngest girl but it still seems a poor motive. She’d be more likely to shoot him if she went crazy. But with her history she would have went to the police I think and had him locked up. If she thought his family money would get him off then she would have shot him too. Why leave a child rapist free to do it again.

"But what if she found out her daughter and her boyfriend were having an affair, [R205]. And she was in a rage"

Uh, she'd throw the daughter out, leave the house and take both kids with her, beat up the daughter and/or the boyfriend, or shoot the boyfriend? That just isn't a believable motive for shooting herself and both kids.

No, someone outside the gene pool shot them all. The BF is the likeliest suspect, but yeah, it could have been an ex or a local psycho or drug dealer, who knows. Hopefully the police will be able to nail the perp in time.

Angie at David Janssen’s funeral.

The takeaway here is the bf was fucking the gf’s teenage cheerleader, with fake titties (like mom) daughter

R216 I would agree normally, but this mom was a raging narcissist, just look at her ig, and it’s not a stretch to believe she viewed her daughter with jealousy and as competition.

FF r219.

She’s a murder victim. Fuck the hell off

Narcissists rarely murder and rarely commit suicide, R219. They know so many ways to hurt people and get away with it, that they don't have to.

Not that I'm agreeing with your assessment of the mother. I'm afraid papering the internet with pictures of one's self looking hot is absolutely normal for today's attractive women.

R220 FF right back. You stupid frau cunt.

If (when) a man is convicted of murdering her, lots of posters will say she brought it on herself. Some people are incapable of putting responsibility on the shoulders of a white man if he’s even a little bit attractive. Even when an attractive through a dirty window with bad eyesight white bro murders his own children ala Chris Watts there will still be assholes saying “but she was so mean, she drove him to it”

Frau has become the cuck of DL. If we overuse it, it will lose its meaning and humor.

You're correct, r219.

R221 the mother didn’t give off a “good parental vibe”. Just look at who she was in a relationship with.

Oh god, the narc trolls have showed up. Why are they here? Doesn't Meghan Markle's butt need sniffing?

R220, if someone here seems especially vile, it's best to F&F them quietly. You can rest assured that others of us are doing it with you.

I'm baffled by the posters who are suggesting that the teen victim had implants. They would seem not to have known a wide range of girls and women in real life. Plenty of us develop, shall we say, disproportionately. A friend of mine, who was otherwise thin and toned, had such large breasts that they put an end to her athletic career. She had a surgical reduction in her twenties, because they were starting to cause her back pain. Trust me, it's not that out of the ordinary for someone to be built that way in high school. And a lot of the attention that it garners from men is unpleasant and unwanted.

R228 people are speculating on the teen daughter’s breast because they look fake, not because they’re big. Also, the mom clearly had fake boobs, so it’s not hard to believe the daughter had hers done too. And yes, even teenage girls get breast implants nowadays. Welcome to the world of social media.

You sound completely out of touch. Maybe you should go back to watching Hallmark movies.

I had large, firm, hard breasts as a young person. At 50 they still hate to give me a mammogram due to my dense breast tissue. One of my boyfriends insisted my breasts were not real - but 100% they are. SO - that said they are probably real, big, and tight - its not impossible. Also even if young people can have some procedures done I doubt any Surgeons would work on a 14 year old, which is what I believe her age was as a freshman in HS. You are still developing at 14 so why would you undergo surgery? You are not done filling out.

He's fuckin hotter than SHIT brah.

I guarantee I have more experience with breasts than you do, R229. And Hallmark is not exactly Must See TV in lesbian circles.

Agree with Lesbian. Some young women have huge tits in their mid-teens. They grow so fast they get stretch marks. Happened to a few of my friends in HS, while I remained flat chested (sigh). Anyway, there is nothing about that girl's picture that suggests fake tits to me. Young girls have very firm, high breasts naturally.

Mom has tattooed caterpillar brows @ R169.

We really need to examine some nudes of the girl to settle this debate.

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R236, I agree with the person upthread who said that the boyfriend has been suspect #1 since the instant this crime was reported. We need to read between the lines of any statements from the police right now. They have to tread carefully in these scenarios in order to lull their suspects into a false sense of security while they build their case.

Listen, if it was a case of the bf balling a kid of hers- the mom would have killed the bf too! Shit, why let him off free and not BOTH her kids? The mother didn’t do this.

More details plus statements from the devastated relatives of the 2 girls.

Finally more media coverage.

LE statement re we're wondering what happened that morning. Meaning perhaps the 3 were not killed at night.

Rumors that one of the three fathers of her kids (we're including her son away at college) was questioned by LE.

R240- there are a ton of outlets who reported this story: NY Post, Reuters, Fox etc... but it's all the same information. Nothing really new has come out.

Statement from poster on Websleuths who lives nearby and whose kids knew the aged 10 &15 daughters,

I have heard the BF was very controlling. It has been very strange how tight lipped the media and sheriff's office has been. Zero information since the day the bodies were discovered. They have not even identified the victims even though their schools have and the family has. The 31 year old boyfriend is Charlie Wheeler. It's a shame Texas Rangers or SAPD aren't involved.

What a weird comment that sheriff made, “too early to tell who's a suspect and who’s a witness.” Who the hell could be a "witness"? Someone the shooter happened to have along with him when he did the deed? Someone who watched mom do it and then left?

It probably doesn't mean anything - but you'd expect him to say something like, "too early to hell what happened"

* too early to tell what happened

One of her exes did it...

Of course a cute rich young man would choose a pretty woman with a messy personal life! First of all, she’s pretty. Secondly, if she were from a lower socioeconomic background, she might be more easily impressed and influenced by whatever mediocre money he has. Thirdly, some straight guys are convinced that crazy/unstable women are wild in bed. It usually means they like the drama and get to call them “psycho” when the relationship ends.

Fourthly, there’s a decent chance that he was after the daughters.

The content of the following statements originally posted on Websleuths and the author's obvious relationship to the deceased motivated me to post them on DL; Benessa New Member I WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW MY BABY COUSINS Did NOT DESERVE THIS FATE

NICHOL OLSEN WAS a BEAUTIFUL MOTHER WOMAN and FRIEND.... Her Legacy Will forever be The Loving, Caring and Beautiful Person inside and out. Alexa & London Words can't express The DEVASTATION this has rippled our FAMILIES TO OUR CORES........... PLEASE CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR OUR FAMILY #JUSTICEFORNICOLALEXALONDON I Want To Thank You all for sentiments and support on behalf of my Olsen family.... Benessa,

I've been watching this one closely. It is weird how nothing additional has been released to the media considering its been a few days since their deaths. I'm sure LE is scouring through text messages, phone records, internet activity, security cameras, etc to rule out the boyfriend. I hope I'm wrong because from all accounts it appears she loved her children dearly, It is weird how nothing additional has been released to the media considering its been a few days since their deaths. I'm sure LE is scouring through text messages, phone records, internet activity, security cameras, etc to rule out the boyfriend. I hope I'm wrong because from all accounts it appears she loved her children dearly . . .

I SPEAK FOR THE RECORD..... NICHOL DIDN'T NEED HIS MONEY OUR ENTIRE FAMILY IS FINANCIALLY COMFORTABLE... YOU ARE JUST AS TWISTED AS THE SICK BASTARD THAT MURDERED MY FAMILY MEMBERS.... #WRONG CONCLUSION Benessa,

Yes He's amazing and we're Here together as a Family .... #JUSTICEFORNICHOLALEXALONDON Benessa

I implore that you PLEASE don't victimize the victims they do have family members and we're hurting enough please respect my family's privacy BENESSA R

Prayers for you and your family!

It is possible that she found out the boyfriend was molesting one of her daughters and confronted him? In that scenario he could have been faced with the possibility of losing everything and going to jail. So maybe he staged it as a murder/suicide.

Yes it is possible. if it is the case I would think there would be tidbits of information like messages between mom and daughter, between daughter and friends. seems like stuff like this should come out sooner or later.

R245, Don't have any guesses as to the murderer but WHY do you say one of her ex-husbands/ex-BF did it? Random guess, rumors online, knowledge of something?

Was there a statement from her college age son's father? His son lost a mother, partial source of financial support, likely a home for student vacations and breaks.

Did she have other BF before her current live-in that were very jealous?

Douche-bro is the bad guy here. He's 31, and thinks in his mind that he is age appropriate for a 15 year old. Did none of you know any slender girls in high school that developed a big rack and did not have implants? They were present in mine. Give LE some credit, yeah I also wish that they could have announced his arrest today, but I also understand that I'm being just a little bit unreasonable in that. In the news conference, they were just trying to send a message that they believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty, whether they actually believe that or not. They siezed his truck straight away, trust me, they think it's him. This is not their first rodeo, but it is his.

R249, My niece is very petite and a natural 32 D. Preferred to wear baggy t-shirts to school, saying her classmates were too immature. Studious, smart and musically talented.

R249, Earlier in this thread I questioned if it was normal to immediately tow the BF truck. So he could have come home at 9 am, after spending the night elsewhere, gotten into a violent argument with his live-in GF, and then shot all three? Perhaps since he didn't spend the night, the oldest daughter decided to confess his unwanted attentions? Mother then confronted BF when he came home?

Would make sense why this story is starting to spread in the media if that were the case. Pedo behavior has become a hot topic. It's always been extremely widespread. Also would connect with the 10-year-old's aunt's understandably angry statement, and that of the 16-year-old's father, "My life is over."

Detectives have a long line of mother's sexual partners to investigate / clear. Who knows how many nutballs she's banged over the years.

Too bad the kids got caught up in it.

R251, In Hispanic culture it's very common for women to get married and pregnant as a young teen. Abortion is taboo. TX culture pushes pregnant teens to marry, despite the extremely statistically high rate of divorce.

Could it be maybe she had a side piece or maybe he did?

R250 No, I don't think he shot them, I believe he had them killed.

[quote] “too early to tell who's a suspect and who’s a witness.” Who the hell could be a "witness"?

The last person or person to see one or all of them, a neighbor who saw him come home, someone who spoke with one of them, someone who saw him elsewhere, the boyfriend himself. Lots of people would be witnesses. The possibilities are endless.

Why would he have the girls killed? They weren't married, he hadn't adopted them, so he wouldn't owe child support. They both having living fathers.

Now if he killed her, they might have seen him do it and would be witnesses, so he might have shot all three - and then maybe even tried to stage it to look like she did it (putting her hand on the gun or whatever.)

It seems too weird a coincidence that he wasn't there that night - maybe there was a fight and he managed to escape when she came after him with a gun - and then, in a rage, she shot the girls and herself. I know it seems bizarre but most murders seem that way, especially mothers killing kids, but they sometimes do it, even otherwise intelligent, reasonable-seeming ones. And this one had a domestic assault charge filed on her, which is a tidbit of evidence that she's got a rage problem.

Statement from the father of Alexa, 16. He's an ex-serviceman and is remarried.

Statement from Nichol's best friend and hairstylist. There's no way that she would have taken her own life.

Oh, please.

Sometimes the simplest solution is the correct one.

The boyfriend was likely the one who did it. The fact that he was "conveniently" on an "overnight" trip at the precise time this happened & came back the very next day to find them explains it.

Why did he do it? Because he got mad over something and snapped. There doesn't have to be any deeper meaning than that.

[quote] Why would he have the girls killed?

Um, cause they were witnesses.

^ Sounds about right.

The first person who finds a dead body is also a "witness." For example, a neighbor sees something suspicious and goes next door to check. Neighbor sees a dead body in the garage. Neighbor calls 911 and is a "witness."

I don't think there was anything going on between the daughter and the bf. She wasn't some Lolita, she seemed like a typical teenager, complete with a little teen romance. Don't know how to embed the video, but she didn't dress at all provocatively.

I didn't do it.

R263, Some posters suspect the BF might have been sexually interested in Alexa but she thought of him as a creeper. Availability and vulnerability means more to pedo pervs than overt sexuality.

r264 he didn't.

He hired someone, and the DA tried to prove he pulled the trigger.

Every picture I’ve seen of the teen daughter looks nothing like that one at the pool with the huge boobs.

Wheeler's have been a very prominent family in TX.

[quote]WHY do you say one of her ex-husbands/ex-BF did it?

It’s always an ex- or current partner.

The youngest daughter’s father had been sued for child support, maybe that was a motive?

It seems to me that the Twitter account posted by R263 belongs to an ex of the teenage daughter and that her last boyfriend was this young man

No, it was the mom's bf.

Maybe it was the last daughters boyfriend who did it.

Wheelers are old money in a small, wealthy town. Nichol is an outsider.

I’m starting to see why the cops have nothing to say and no details are being released.

BF was molesting the daughters, got found out, had everyone killed.

I heard the same thing from someone I know in San Antonio. The Wheelers are considered a powerful family and people are worried LE is going to screw this up.

The local media is treating this like a murder/suicide, barely mentioning the story and when they do not mentioning how they died.

There was a murder here in a Houston suburb that was in an expensive gated community. They solved it within a week because of the surveillance cameras.

If you guys love websleuths so much, why don't you marry it? Or at least go over there. There's no need to post here every breathless comment that shows up on websleuths.

R278, There's a general lack of info on this case. Websleuths has multiple relatives commenting plus links to close friends of the murder victims.

On still another site I saw a picture of the BF without a beard. Very cute. Haven't seen that picture posted on DL.

If it was the hot boyfriend, then it was definitely a spur of the moment thing. There is zero way this was planned. He had no solid ties to her. If he wanted her out of his house then he could have started eviction proceedings. I wouldn't be shocked if the bf is arrested, but I'm not totally convinced it was him. His work schedule might have been odd given that he works in the oil business. I'm so curious to see who ends up being areested, if anybody. I'm shocked this isn't being delved into more. Usually details trickle out through the press.

if they lived in a gated area doesn't that man whoever gets in must see a security guard first? I'm sure there are video cameras everywhere....

The boyfriend is hot.

They’re all exceptionally pretty people. The boyfriend is involved, of course. If I had to guess, I’d say that she was a lovely person whose only fault was picking asshole men. He was probably an entitled arrogant jerk, and it’s likely he was molesting one of the daughters.

And it does seem like there’s a cover-up possible, if he’s wealthy and she’s not.

R263, you do realize that the literary character “Lolita” was a victim of a child rapist, don’t you? She wasn’t a seductress. The adult man who molested her was delusional and crazy and justified his actions by protesting that she seduced HIM. Humbert is a sick man who SPOILER ALERT is also a murderer.

Someone did it before the BF spent the night away from the house. If the mother did it she would have shot the BF not just her own children.

We will find the BF is unstable because of drugs.

I think the boyfriend is pretty hot, but he does have psycho eyes.

If LE seized his vehicle immediately, I think they're going to subject it to Ultra Violet light. If he tried to scrub any evidence away, such as blood, UV will reveal any remaining traces.

Regardless of that statement that the deceased was well off financially, I think the guy diddled one of her daughters (I'm leaning towards the youngest), it may have been secretly recorded, and the mother may have tried extorting him for a huge "settlement' to go away.

I think he paid someone to kill them.

I wonder what his family thought of her? Many posters are bewildered as to why he would be with her. So I imagine they couldn't have been thrilled with their son taking up with a woman like this. I'm surprised she didn't get pregnant by him. Seems to have been her MO and he's a big fish.

R288

You may have hit on another scenario.

Was the mother or older daughter pregnant?

^Interesting. We will find out from the autopsies. A woman is more in danger of being killed during pregnancy than at any other time in her life.

[quote] So I imagine they couldn't have been thrilled with their son taking up with a woman like this.

He's a grown man. If he has a taste for hot chicks with multiple babydaddies, she probably wasn't the first of the kind.

Mom did it. Detective Salazar ruled the girls' deaths a homocide and the mom's a suicide.

Though they aren't ready to say she did it, but it all points to her.

That article also says the police haven't ruled out the involvement of others.

I kept fixating on her being reported for domestic assault. Then the three baby daddies and now a different boyfriend with 2 kids in tow. New rich boyfriend - who might have been reluctant to take on the brood - or showing interesting in the teen (and vice versa). Even her looking like Kim Kardashian. All borderline signs. She looked like that mom-suicide-child-murderer Carola Amau upthread. Though this one had an excuse as a cosmetologist, that level of concern about your appearance is another red flag, though a minor one. Prettiness can trigger narcissism/borderline (the conditions are very similar).

At this point, I hope it's true, because that guy has beautiful eyes. What's happened can't be changed but I think she's got a fishier background. He seems a bit sappy. Most men from money wouldn't let a 3-baby-daddy beautician move in his fancy house. They'd be more wary and controlling, to protect themselves, their family's rep, their money, etc.

Color me surprised it was the Mom and not the boyfriend. I can admit when I am wrong. His shady story about being gone the night before and his crazy eyes had me convinced he must have done it.

Why do they think the mother did it?

I think if you shot yourself, it would be obvious unless someone did a very good job of staging it. The angle your arm would have to be in to shoot yourself in the chest - the residue from on your hand from firing the gun - and possibly the fingerprints on the gun if someone didn't remove it. And why would they? It would just put suspicion on them (whoever moved the gun.) They probably pretty much knew this within a few minutes of getting to the scene. But are still wondering if he knew about it and didn't call in? Was he there when she did it? Did he possibly stage it extremely skillfully? Etc.

Well, I didn't finish my thought. The angle of your arm shooting yourself would produce a very particular trajectory of the bullet through your chest - unlikely to happen if someone else was shooting you.

[quote] Why do they think the mother did it?

Wealthy family.

Small town.

That article make sit seem like the police are calling it what it LOOKS like - murder/suicide.

By not excluding the possibility others were involved, they haven't ruled out the scene being staged.

BF still isn't off the hook.

R295, I don't think the her concern over appearance played any role. There are tons of women just like her that aren't violent. I think either she and the bf were separated, hence why he wasn't home or she waited for him to be out to do it. My money is on the relationship hitting the rocks and she was despondent. This guy is a major catch for anyone, much less a baby momma x 3. He was gorgeous, rich and seemed to be generous based on all the trips they went on and the fact that he basically bought a home for she and her kids. For her, this was not only another failed relationship, but the loss of the best guy she ever landed. I think she snapped. I've read some people also kill their kids because they don't want to leave them behind. It sounds like the girls were possibly in their beds when they were killed.

R297- because the girls deaths were ruled a homocide, the mom suicide. So put 2 and 2 together, that's what you get.

Strange to think that just a week ago today, they were all alive. Heck, 5 days ago, they were still alive.

How often do medical examiners “update” or change their findings? How preliminary might the ME’s findings be? Is the ME an elected position in this town?

I feel for the son. If it’s true that mom killed herself and his sisters I think that will be harder to deal with than them being murdered. I wonder what her motive was.

Isn't it strange to describe him as the man she was dating? They lived together, with her kids... One might conjecture that he was described as such to make him seem less of a central figure in their lives...

Yes I thought that too r306. Something is off in how they are reporting about him. I really hope the case is being investigated properly. I grew up in Galveston and I know first hand how protected the old money families are. I really hope nothing like that is happening here.

The ex husband, father of the eldest daughter, doesn’t sound short of a buck. He was going to buy the kid a Jeep and take her to Hawaii. He has a wife in school so must have a good job and I’m sure he paid child support. I don’t think the motive was finances or losing a meal ticket.

Some man did it but they’ll frame the dead mom.

Nah. A man didn't do this.

I guess the scenario the officer was outlining was that someone else killed the kids, when the mother saw she killed herself. I think that's very far fetched. I believe she did it but because it's high profile, they want to cover every base. A reporter asked if they were doing extra because of the wealth in the case. So LE is aware of what people are saying.

I saw the bf's mom's FB page and she wasn't friends with Nichol. That's very odd considering they were dating for years. I wish we knew more about the relationship between Nichol and the bf. DM needs to get on the case, stat.

Let's be more specific. Charlie Wheeler's family is not an "old" Texas family of consequence. They are from one of the worst parts of Texas which happened to have an oil boom. He was living outside Boerne TX on Interstate 10 near San Antonio, in one of the endless gated developments. This is almost the Hill Country, which makes it an infinite improvement on Charlie's 'family's home county of McMullen. My guess is his family are NRA-loving, Trump supporters who wouldn't take kindly to their golden boy hooking up with a Filipino? Black? Mexican? hairdresser with 3 children -- no matter how much money she had or how beautiful. This is just a Texas fact. He may have had a taste for brownish women, but his family sure wouldn't have.

[quote] Why do they think the mother did it?

[quote] Wealthy family. Small town.

I think so, too.

Women who spell “Nicole” as “Nichol” are BAD NEWS.

Thank you, R311. “Rich” and “Old Money” are not synonymous. Money does not always equal influential, either.

I’m a tiny bit skeptical about the protests of friends and family, because people always say the same thing. “He was such a good father, he would never do that” “Her children were her whole world” etc.

Isn't San Antonio like 65% Hispanic, R311? I don't know too much about that area. Seems like white/Hispanic pairing would be common. I thought Nichol was white passing. I wouldn't necessarily think she was hispanic going on physical appearance. The daughters, OTOH, clearly looked hispanic.

I also don't believe this guy's family have enough influence to avoid him getting charged, especially with a spotlight on the case.

R311 ah! That explains the relatively old pickup truck. Real old money would have a Land Rover or Bimmer or something like that, surely.

The bf probably is trying to break up with her? Maybe they had a fight about it the previous night so the guy didn’t spend the night? The mom just snapped? The poor innocent kids didn’t have a chance. Rip.

R311 here. Yes, SA is largely hispanic and always has been, unlike Houston and Dallas whose hispanic communities came much later. But the key is his white family getting their fortune from fracking. I hate to generalize but I will, since when it comes to Texas, generalizations are largely true. Even if Nichol were 100% white, ain't nobody's mama-- rich or poor-- gonna be happy about her precious son dating a woman with 3 kids and 2 divorces. Add to that, Texas being as racist as it gets. If a person looks less than white (or her kids do) that means they aren't. But I have to say, that oil field/driller boyfriend sure was rocking himself some sockless loafers for a family that prides itself on ranching, oil, and rodeos. I guess things could be changing.

[quote]But I have to say, that oil field/driller boyfriend sure was rocking himself some sockless loafers for a family that prides itself on ranching, oil, and rodeos. I guess things could be changing.

How do you mean?

R319 I don't usually see Texas men of that ilk wearing loafers with no socks. His persona in fotos is a mixed bag. The hipster, craft-beer beard. Crocodile-look loafers, no socks. Tract mac-mansion in gated community. Holiday at Pendry, San Diego. Oil-drilling company.

So, they seem to be saying conflicting things. This statement is really no different than what they initially said, could be murder suicide, but not necessarily. I mean the only thing new is that the ME says that's what he thinks. But they would have done the gunshot residue test on Nichol right away, and known the results. Why can't they say what they found? It's disheartening to here people say that they don't have much confidence in this police force. These three people deserve better than that.

Not 318, but I live in Texas, right next door to the above- described asshole. He's from Kansas, mommy and daddy have money. He's cultivated a fake Texas accent, has a big monster truck, etc.

They're preppy boys playing cowboy dress-up.

R322 So the Charlie Wheeler who was living with Nichol is not Charlie Wheeler, owner of OTG Drilling?

No r321, we are in a very different place now.

Olsen's death has been ruled a suicide by the medical examiner, she was not murdered. That changes everything.

I don't know about that's, but I doubt he was the kind of asshole who gets his hands dirty (besides hunting).

That*

R316, you've got that backwards: Old money is more likely to drive old cars. They value discretion, and, furthermore, a car is too easily purchased or financed to be a truly impressive status symbol to those in the know. It's new money who like to drive flashy cars.

Example: Si Newhouse used to visit his boys at summer camp in a beat up old Toyota Camry.

FYI: Boerne is pronounced like the man's name Bernie.

Thanks, R318/311. I read Boerne is a mostly white part of SA. I agree with you 💯 that no decent parent would be happy with their kid shacking up with a 2x divorcee, 3x baby mama, regardless of race. I would say he was biding his time with her, but he didn't seem to hide the relationship seeing that he lived with her. Maybe he really fell in love, but I suspect he eventually wanted out and that set her off.

R323- I have no clue what R322 is going on about, but I think that's him in R311 picture. He and his entire family appear to be from Texas.

Why would that set her off to kill her own children who weren't his? Those children had fathers. He wasn't the only man in any of their lives. What kind of "revenge" would that be?

I'm not yet sold on the murder suicide since they're giving us nothing to go on, but let's say that is what happened. It would take something cataclysmic to make it happen. There would be something in their communications that reveals what it was. They could say something about what it looks like it was, and then it would make sense and we wouldn't have doubts.

fuck you r220. She wasn't a murder victim, she killed herself, like me and most people in this thread believed.

Go back to your fibromyalgia Facebook group

R322 You're wrong. Charles Edward Wheeler born 1987, Bexar County. His parents Forest and Cynthia live in Fredericksburg TX, where I've got family.

R330, why would anyone? But it happens all the time. Maybe she wanted him to feel guilty for eternity, maybe she didn't want to leave them behind, maybe she was on drugs. Who knows, she definitely wasn't in her right mind when she did it. I do think the bf has been unfairly treated just based on him being wealthy, a man, from Texas and a hunter. He honestly doesn't seem like a bad guy based on taking that kind of baggage on when he could have gone down a much simpler road. If she did do this and, there is no reason to truly believe she didn't, she was the psycho and must have been hell to live with, not him.

Hate to be a broken record but BF molested daughter, GF found out and told him she was going to police and he killed them all so no witnesses.

This woman did not kill all those kids with different dads to get back at man who had no biological relations to any of her kids.

a decent looking, probably hot in Texas, young man with plenty of money could easily seduce a teenager if that was his thing. Why go for his gf’s daughter, who had a father and an aunt (fathers sister) active in her life. Too much risk when he had other options. Predatory types don’t pick girls with involved father’s and extended families.

R334, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

Everyone on Datalounge is now dumber for having read it.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

R336 lol didn't a predatory type recently blast away his victim's parents and kidnap her? Seems Jayme Closs's father was pretty involved in her life so the predator killed him.

I thought your post was spot on, R334. Why are some people so desperate to blame the guy - and to claim they know what happened? We have no evidence whatsoever that he did anything wrong. Except possibly hook up with a rageaholic psycho, who'd already been reported for domestic abuse in the past and who had three babies with different fathers and didn't establish a stable lasting relationship with any of them. Maybe she was incapable of that due to her mental instability. But the thing is, we'll never know for sure - what we do apparently know is she killed herself (according to the medical examiner and it would be an easy thing to prove) and she probably killed her daughters (and that will likely be easy to prove too).

IN his case the man has been living with the mother and children in a house he bought them. That’s not an opportunistic predator. He’s also likely not the type of creep who dates single mothers to get at their children. The oldest girl had way too many family members and a boyfriend involved for that to work out. Many single mothers are socially isolated , poor and easy targets- not this one. I still don’t fully accept she did this. I think there’s more to this case that will emerge. But him molesting the girl I don’t think is likely.

I've never heard of the Wheeler family and I grew up out there.

You are quite the defender of the Prime Suspect R340.

Damn So it really was a murder suicide

Baby momma was a boil the bunny type. Went on overdrive and wanted all those men to PAY. She was probably dumped and sat and added it ALL up - raging out - and HAD ENOUGH!!!! All these men will PAY, PAY for what they did to me "discard me"~ use me - I think NOT! This is what I see. I would also suggest they look to see if she started any psych meds recently. I think she got to the very end of her rope. Was not going to be used and discarded one more time. Ticking rage time bomb.

I am floored that the mom did this. I never once thought this was a possibility.

She had no financial reason. Perhaps she had addiction problems?

Bingo!! I was too dense to think of it myself but yes! Revenge on the baby daddies by killing their babies! In one fell swoop she got those guys back, who had dumped her or whatever list of grievances she had against them - not paying enough child support etc.

Then she was afraid to face the consequences, the humiliation, maybe too ashamed to face the son who she actually did love (if she was capable of it)... just panicked after killing them and only then thinking of what would come next, so she offed herself.

I think you really nailed it, R344.

That you, R339. I chalk up dumbass R337's lack of reading comprehension due to their 6th grade education. Anyway, yes, some posters here are so desperate to blame this guy. There could be video of her doing it and they'll be shouting, 'it was the bf.' It's crazy. There is zero evidence implicating him. The man provided a beautiful home for her and her children, which is a pretty decent thing to do. She has all those red flags in her past, yet he is the one that's being portrayed as shady. You make a good point, she really hasn't had any stable relationships in her past. At some point, it has to be a failure on her part, not the men.

R3444- another good point. Getting back at all the men in her life. I have no doubt the reason the bf wasn't home was because he was living elsewhere. It's what set her off and then your scenario comes into play.

Maybe she was molestering the daughter? It could have been a three way with the two girls. Then the boyfriend found out and threatened to report them. The mother had one final molstering party, then offed them all. Typical narcissistic sociopath.

Meant... thank, you R339.

[quote]Strange to think that just a week ago today, they were all alive. Heck, 5 days ago, they were still alive

Yep :((

A week ago, she was promoting her new business page.....

The "she did it" statement is tentative, not definitive. It's "She seems to have done it", not "she did it".

I can only hope that the homicide department is investigating the hell out of this case and okayed that statement to minimize publicity and get any suspects off their guard, and they aren't hushing it up because the guy and his family are rich and influential or anything.

R351 Right there with you. Not feeling good though, in terms of their integrity. Can they give us a "why" she supposedly "did it", ending her own and her daughter's lives which she has made good up to this point? If not, it's so much blowing smoke up our ass and I'm not interested. Right now I'm thinking the sheriff is a fucking dolt. Telling us that the medical examiner thinks she shot herself. And what do YOU think Mr. Sheriff man? Who me? Why, I don't think anything. I'm just standing here talking to the microphones.

I’ll ask again: what’s the story in the medical examiner? Elected? How often does he change his conclusions?

Why hasn't there been a discussion of whether or not a suicide not was left? Were all three bodies found in the same room? So many, many questions.

They really should have stayed out of his “Magic Closet”.

r353 We don't elect medical examiners in Texas but we do elect county sheriffs which would be this jurisdiction.

I bet the boyfriend broke up with her and that's why she did this. She sure did get around

She probably had a lot of built up resentment towards her kids. She was most likely forced into a marriage as a teenager because she was pregnant, had a baby at 15, divorced by 17. Then another divorce and two more kids with different fathers. She has had a lot of responsibility starting at an abnormally young age. I could see bitterness consuming someone in that position; especially if they felt they missed out on a lot because of their kids. Maybe this guy wouldn't marry her because of the baggage or it may not have had anything to do with her relationship. Maybe she was simply just bitter about her life and a little jealous that her daughters were living the carefree teenage years she was denied.

I'm curious if she left a suicide note or if she texted the bf telling him what she was about to do and that's why he came home.

Plans to take daughter London to an American Idol Audition that weekend and to take care of a relative's child. Also she had just recently made hair styling appointments for the Thurs she was found deceased. Still doesn't make any sense.

For those who can't read the above link, "

Olsen had made plans to take her 10-year-old daughter to auditions for the NBC TV show “America’s Got Talent” this past Friday, Baptiste said. She also intended to take care of her brother’s daughter Saturday.

Olsen had canceled all her work appointments for the week last Tuesday, which Baptiste said she found strange. But the night before her death, Olsen scheduled two appointments with clients for Thursday morning — the same morning her body was found, Baptiste said.

This is the 1st time I've heard Nichol's blood relatives mentioned. Wish I could read a statement given by her brother who obviously lived nearby.

Charlie Wheeler, (the boyfriend) looks better without the hipster beard, in my opinion.

True, R361. Which in the eyes of many Dataloungers, places him above suspicion.

Enough with the monied family wielding influence to avoid a murder charge. This isn't 1969 (Chappaquiddick); that trope is done, gone. I agree that money does buy you better lawyers and may prevent a guilty verdict but that's it.

Money and power can also buy you "fixers" who can influence the narrative of the story in any number of ways.

[quote] Enough with the monied family wielding influence to avoid a murder charge.

Damn straight!

If you are a fan of Dateline and other true crime shows, you already know that many murders are initially classified as suicide. I remember the case of a former police officer whose third wife died mysteriously, set up to look like suicide. Turns out his first wife's death (found in the bathtub) was ruled a suicide. Well they dug her up and reinvestigated and it was changed to homicide.

That week of cancelled appointments is suspicious. I can't see the article, but someone [Baptiste] found it "strange" - you'd have to be in a position to know that there hadn't been an obvious reason for the cancellation (like the flu) to find it strange.

Could be related to her recent mental state.

I'm guessing her. boyfriend dumped her & she flipped. Most men don't want to take on a women with three kids (no matter how beautiful she is). He didn't have kids & I doubt he wanted the responsibility. His family most likely didn't approve either. I'm guessing she was also dependent on him financially.

[quote]Enough with the monied family wielding influence to avoid a murder charge. This isn't 1969 (Chappaquiddick); that trope is done, gone. I agree that money does buy you better lawyers and may prevent a guilty verdict but that's it.

Tell me about it!

You're all getting it wrong! Ethan Couch was charged and went to trial. As was Michael Jackson, OJ, the Kennedy cousins etc... they could afford good lawyers to get off, but they were still arrested and charged with crimes. The fact that people think there is a cover up and this guy and his family have so much money/power and employ a "Ray Donavan" is laughable. Not everything is a conspiracy. She had more possible reasons to do it then any of the others mentioned.

Someone keeps saying he "bought" a home for the mother and the kids but it sounds as if they just moved into HIS house, which is very different.

We don't know these people. We know that they are pretty, we know what they do for a living, and we know that she had three kids. In the things that I've read from people that actually did know her, they have only had good things to say about her. So we shouldn't pretend that we have any window into to her soul, or know what any of her thoughts and motivations are. We don't.

Far too many autopsy's are wrong and can be manipulated. How many times have we seen people get away with murder thanks to autopsy reports.?

LE clearly are NOT convinced otherwise they would not had made that statement about still saying they were looking into it. Something does not add up. This is not over, not by a long shot. Lets wait and see what happens in the future.

Suspicious of a pro hit, made to clearly look like suicide, by a competitor to BF business or info he's gained about someone else's dealing. Done as a way to get BF to cooperate.

Hairstylist client became her interior decorator and close friend. Gave a statement of strong support, knew her emotional state, talked regularly. Wish I could copy & post her interview. Very telling the deceased was allowed to make decisions re how her BF's home looked. Clearly this was not just a temporary "sex thing."

There doesn't need to be a "Ray Donovan" though, look at Davey Blackburn, he just befriended some young gang members he was "mentoring" as a "Pastor" and got them to connect him to a gang hitman - which turned out to be 3 young guys who didn't even get paid for it in the end.

And he got away with it. On wife #2 now, who he met around the time his wife was murdered.

And let's not forget that no one heard the gunshots. Is that because there was a silencer? Gunshots are pretty damn loud.

[quote]Olsen had made plans to take her 10-year-old daughter to auditions for the NBC TV show “America’s Got Talent” this past Friday, Baptiste said.

There is nothing more maddening than a little brat who can't learn her routine.

R376 made me bark out an ugly snort-laugh. I heart you, you horrible person.

The fraus on Websleuths are bending over backwards to explain how it wasn’t a murder-suicide. They really don’t want it to be. I don’t know, myself, but it’s just as possible as a triple murder. It could be either.

R377, Sheriff has not said they have ruled the BF out as being a suspect. They have not cleared him of being a suspect or POI. Until the LE publicly rule him out as a suspect then he continues to remain one.

They took BF truck and have yet to return it. Why if this was really a murder-suicide?

Le has also told the press they are yet to fully corroborate BF story. And people say he is not a suspect?

One more point. Another online site claims mother & her older daughter were shot in the head. Don't know if it's true. Hard enough to shoot oneself in the stomach. Younger daughter was shot in the stomach.

What was mother's experience with a gun? Did she actually own one?

Still having trouble believing murder - suicide theory.

I'm assuming that the ME is saying this because of the trajectory of the bullet and and how close the gun was to her when fired, but seems to me that you can get the very same result with someone else firing the gun while very close to her.

Are those type of houses really so big and well insulated that nobody would hear three gunshots. The bf has pictures on his Facebook where he’s out hunting with his gun so if mom did it she probably used one of the bf’s weapons.

Single gunshot wound to the head. Still believe it's murder-suicide?

Not buying the suicide version. If it was a true suicide it would be pretty obvious. They are looking at a staged scene and weighing the possibilities. If it was really suicide the investigation would be over by now.

It sounds like the younger daughter's head may have been blown off if she needs to be ID'ed by her dental records.

I’m really doubting that the mother was that skilled with a weapon.

R383, Media says youngest daughter was shot in the stomach. She's been positively identified perhaps by dental records. Since she was only 10 she didn't have fingerprints on file unlike the other two victims.

There's also a question if London's stated father is actually her blood relation. He's the one involved in a financial dispute with Nichol, and has not yet said anything in public.

London's aunt has made a statement proclaiming Nichol's innocence of the crime, and that she'd make sure the perp died in prison. They had planned to take her to Costa Rica this summer to visit her relatives.

"Single gunshot wound to the head. Still believe it's murder-suicide? "

Hey, you can only shoot yourself in the head once!

But of course I'm having trouble believing murder-suicide, and am awaiting further developments. Only the nutters who idolize Chris Watts would assume otherwise.

Oooh shooting someone in the stomach is mean. It would take longer to bleed out and die than if you're shot in the head or heart.

Were they found in the same room? I’m thinking it would be hard to kill 3 people in the same room, 2 if it’s a M-S because victim 2 would start to run for her life when 1 gets shot. So if oldest girl (most likely to fight back) was shot in the head first, the younger girl ran and wasn’t an easy target so the murderer went for the stomach then turned the gun or herself. Or a murderer killed mom first then the 2 girls in a different room. I think you’d need good skills to shoot someone in the head though. Someone who picked up a gun for the first time couldn’t make that shot twice.

Are any of the baby daddies hot like the boyfriend?

One of my moms best friends was killed by her husband. He then killed himself. So thankful there was no internet back then.

If the kids were in bed, you could shoot the older one first - then the younger one would come running perhaps - maybe that's why she was shot in the stomach. It's more complicated if mom's not the shooter. I guess you'd have to shoot her first.

I still think mom did it. I'm on Team Burke too and I don't think Shanann killed her kids. But it's not worth arguing about it. We weren't there, we don't have the evidence. Hopefully LE will do their job right.

Nothing reported that any of them were shot in the stomach.

R378 said she was shot in the stomach.

R381 says mom and older daughter had a gunshot wound to the head. Doesn’t specify where the younger girl’s wound was.

Why would the youngest need to be identified by dental records if she was shot in the stomach???

Her head was blown off!

Interesting take, her friends are posting a lot on Twitter & saying she would never do this.

Thanks r396. Typical little rich boy calling daddy instead of the police. I wonder how long before the police were called and if daddy came over and interfered with any evidence first.

No one ever suspects that a person they know and love would commit murder-suicide, R396.

Of course loved ones don't want to believe she did it. The ME is not going to lie about a suicide for anyone, she had a history of domestic violence yet the friends and family want her to be portrayed as an angel.

Jeweler also has ads of mom & BF on FB selling watches.

[quote]There's also a question if London's stated father is actually her blood relation.

Surely that's a possible motive: She was hitting him for child support and he wasn't even the father?

And if she lied to him about being London's father - it's another piece of evidence that she's a sociopath. (pathological lying) We already have the domestic violence charge.

Which partner charged her with domestic violence?

I don't know - could have been one of her children? I can't remember which article where it was reported - maybe good ole DM.

Yep it was DM so I know I can't link it, but it said, "In March of 2014, she was charged with a domestic assault. The case was dropped when the witness failed to appear in court, however."

No shirtless shots of the BF yet? C'mon, Dataloungers! Get with the program!

I remember the only time someone wasn't found guilty on Foresenic Files a cop was found not guilty the jury believed his side that it was a suicide ....

R389 her son is handsome. I wonder about the bio dad. The son looks vaguely asian mix to me. Or maybe Filipino mix

^Sounds like a dog breeder.

The weirdest thing about this, to me, is that the police seem to doubt the ME’s finding that she killed herself. They are being cautious with their wording.

Personally, I discount the family’s insistence that she would do such a thing. It’s a terrible thing to be accused of, and she isn’t here to defend herself. Of course they will defend her. I wouldn’t assume she did, but these things do happen. I’ve rarely seen anyone say “yeah, in retrospect we must have missed something”.

But I don’t want to assume the worst of her, because it’s almost unanimous that she was murdered.

It’ll be interesting to see what the evidence shows. There has to be surveillance and all sorts of forensic evidence they have to sift through.

The millionaire boyfriend certainly dodged a bullet from this thot.

R411, I get the idea he bit off a lot more than he could chew. She was arm candy, but she came with a LOT of baggage/an entourage. Someone googled the address of the house, and not only was her name associated with that address, it looks like a Justin Olsen was living there, too. So you have the three victims, plus her brother? That’s a lot of people to bring along when you’re shacking up with a millionaire?

I’m very interested to see how this plays out. I think either scenario is just as likely as the other.

It seems the youngest daughter’s father is a bit of a mystery. He hasn’t commented and there was a question of her identity - and people are asking questions about her paternity. He was the one she sued for child support? Even if he were pissed as hell about paying for a child that wasn’t his, would he kill three people? I don’t really see that, unless he’s a total psycho.

Here's a link to the murder house. 11314 Anaqua Spgs, Boerne, TX; 4 beds, 4.5 baths, 4,500 sq ft, $1,201,345.00

That house is quite horrible.

Here’s what Alexa’s father posted.

It sounds like the brother Justin has been part of the package for a while.

The house is nice, just decorated poorly. I assume by the previous owners.

As far as the case goes, I don't know why so many are in denial that the mom did it. She's not the first mother to do it and she won't be the last. It really does make sense based on what we know and can speculate on. Boyfriend either moved out or spent the night elsewhere (maybe he's already with another woman) she went ballistic and killed her kids. Maybe he no longer wanted the responsibilities that came along with being with her and she partially blamed her kids for fucking up her life. I saw her ex-husband and he seems like a decent man, but this current bf was a GIANT step up. I'm sure she knew it too. For all those saying she would never do it, how many times have we heard that from friends and relatives of perpetrators? Besides she might have been perfectly fine, but she snapped in that moment.

Just real quick, is the case deemed "solved" by investigators?

LE is still looking for answers. They have yet to declare Nichol's COD, and they have not overruled the ME’s assessment of suicide. Hopefully there will be updates soon.

BF voluntarily surrendered his truck. LE still has it.

R416, Before I'd believe the murder - suicide theory I'd like to know Nichol's experience with a gun. Did she have her own weapon? Did she know how to use her BF's? Did she have easy access to his gun, or did he keep it locked up?

Some believe all 3 victims were lying next to each other. If so, why didn't one of the girls try to run away when the 1st one was shot? How easy is it for a woman to shoot herself in the head and not miss? Still think it appears to be the work of a pro hit man.

Would the LE take away someones truck away and examine it if they were not a suspect? Would the LE check the phone records of a person if they were not a suspect? Would the LE try and corroborate a persons alibi if they were not a suspect?

Truth is the police have already confirmed he is a suspect by the actions they have undertaken. You know what they say? 'Actions speak louder than words'.

Right now, it's be 6 days since the murders, and the police are yet to rule him out as a suspect. What's taking them so long to get his story and alibi straight? The answer is obvious, something is not adding up. Until they officially declare he is not a suspect and rule him out of further investigations, he will continue to remain one IMO.

I remain to be proven wrong.

I don’t think you’re wrong, R419. I’m not buying the suicide. This lady knew how to roll with the punches in life. If this was a suicide, the investigation would be over by now.

R416, I don’t see why it’s so far-fetched, either. I also can believe with equal ease that they were murdered by someone else.

f course they are going to check the bf and his car out - it would be ridiculous not to, even if only to clear him as a suspect. It doesn't mean they absolutely have him pegged as the killer. I admit, I'm not sure what the car might tell them, as no one's suggesting the bodies were moved or anything. I'm sure the procedural experts here will have an explanation.

R422, true.

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I'd like the house if the roof was tan instead of gray. I just hate mixing browns with grays.

I don't understand why people have an easier time believing the boyfriend did it when we have no indicators that he's a jerk (no prior domestic assaults, like she had - no prior three baby-mommas and no-account brothers in tow - no recent cancellation of a week of appointments with clients that surprised associates - I mean duh! If it quacks like a duck, sometimes it IS a duck. And there are plenty other cases of mothers killing children, with even less evidence of mental distress and no suicide after. Women CAN be psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists... probably more than 1%. Robert Hare said 4% of the population is full-blown psychopath. That's one out of twenty-five. You're gonna have these cases.

Remember the recent lesbian couple who drove off a cliff or something - well one of them? Susan Smith? Lots more upthread - twelve at one link who all killed their own children. There have even been female serial killers. Here's a link to TEN famous British female serial killers. Why is it so hard to accept?

R424, she was very pretty, that’s why.

R424, also, people are having trouble with the police seeming to doubt the ME’s findings.

It almost sounds as if the police are fucking with the BF.

R425 So was Carola Arnau who killed her two children and then herself. Scroll down just a little - she's gorgeous!

But I get your point. People are so hung up on their preconceived ideas and stereotypes.

I feel sorry for her tender-hearted boyfriend. How many good looking young men would take in a woman with a past like that, her two young daughters and her freeloader brother?

I think if they found blood or gunshot residue or anything like that in his truck, they'd have him arrested under suspicion in a New York minute. They'd be searching the place where he said he spent the night, they'd take his clothes to search for blood splatter etc. He would be in jail by now.

It’s fast and cheap to take a paternity test. If the youngest daughter paternity is in question, that was easy to sort out.

[quote] it's another piece of evidence that she's a sociopath. (pathological lying)

No! Sociopathy is about wearing ugly clothes. Psychopathy is about have ugly hair.

There’s a FB discussion page. The son, Skyler, has a rap sheet. There are also rumors that the BF has a temper.

If she sued him for child support then paternity was probably established without question then.

R424, I agree. He, OTOH, is want many like to hate. A good looking, rich, white hipster/cowboy male. There is no real motive for the guy to kill these 3. No ties.

R418, the girls probably slept in different bedrooms, possibly the daughter ran towards the gunshot to see what was going on and that's when she was shot. I'm sure she didn't realize, especially if it was the 10 year old, that somebody was shooting her sister.

I think a huge problem here is LE. The guy in charge sounds like an idiot. He talked a lot, but said nothing. Just muddled the waters. In the end, I predict they will confirm that mom did it and all that nonsense he was spewing was for naught. I do wish more would focus on what might have provoked her, but I'm not sure they'll go there.

She was probably dumped by bf and told to get out - and had been harboring a grudge against the prior baby-daddies, one of whom she had sued for child support. They probably have new women that she's furious about (because some people are just like that - it drives them nuts to see an ex be happy with someone new). So she snapped and got revenge on two of the baby-daddies before committing suicide, in a rage. Personality-disordered women are very prone to suicide (usually it's suicide attempts - but many go through with it. Impulsivity is one of the traits of psychopathy, sociopathy, narcissistic and borderline PD.)

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I agree with the statement above, if it was just obviously a murder- suicide, and every last thing pointed to that and nothing else, then it would be over by now. But it's not. You'd think that if they found a ton of gunshot residue on her, that would take us most of the way there. So maybe that's not what they found.

Not always, r74.

BF has hired a pricey attorney. Remember his very 1st call was to his father, and not to LE. Makes him look suspicious for these two reasons alone. Plus he's never made a public statement of condolence to Nichol's two daughters' relatives. who were obviously very close emotionally and physically and appeared to share custody.

Can't copy FB page but there were at least two previous incidents of domestic violence. Someone in that house twice put their fist through a wall. Nichol's claimed it was a ladder which fell. Well outside repairmen had to be called to fix holes twice. They stated LE should be informed.

Would Nichol be strong enough to punch large holes in a wall? Was it her son, brother, or someone else?

Huh R434 ?

All of that is hearsay, R437. It's all seems like gossip that gets passed around by her friends who seem to want to smear this guy and pin the murders on him. How would anyone know if he called his father first? Nobody would know that except him and his family. They sure as hell aren't going to tell Nichol's friends that information. If the walls were damaged, how do they know it was not her? She is the one with the DV charge.

If he did hire a lawyer, he's smart since it seems that people are pointing their fingers at him. I don't see why he needs to say anything publicly either. It's a private matter. If I was this guy, I would get the hell out of that area as soon as possible.

R420, that's a flawed statement. A lot of people reach a breaking point, that's why suicide is at an all time high. It's easy to bounce back from life's punches when you're 17-25 yrs old. At 37, it's a little tougher when life continually beats you down.

I don't see why this can't be a pro hit, initiated by the BF, who didn't look like he was the type to get the job done himself.

Guy shows up, likely with associates, he/they could even have been familiar to the girlfriend and kids so they wouldn't be initially alarmed. Has all three in the same place. Associates put guns on the girls. Main guy puts a gun on the mother. Tells them all not to move and no one gets hurt. Walks toward the mother, pulls another gun out of his holster, tells her to put it in her mouth (or at the side of her head) and pull the trigger. If she doesn't do it, he tells her that they will shoot her daughters. If she does do it, the daughters will go free. She pulls the trigger and drops, the eldest daughter is immediately shot next, the youngest one shot last. Either the associate assigned to her was a crap shot, or she attempted to run.

I don't see why it couldn't be a pro hit. The BF didn't look like the type capable of doing the job himself.

Guy shows up, likely with associates, he/they could even have been familiar to the girlfriend and kids so they wouldn't be initially alarmed. Has all three in the same place. Associates put guns on the girls. Main guy puts a gun on the mother. Tells them all not to move and no one gets hurt. Walks toward the mother, pulls another gun out of his holster, tells her to put it in her mouth (or at the side of her head) and pull the trigger. If she doesn't do it, he tells her that they will shoot her daughters. If she does do it, the daughters will go free. She pulls the trigger and drops, the eldest daughter is immediately shot next, the youngest one shot last. Either the associate assigned to her misfired, or she attempted to run.

R439, BF also hired a 24/7 high priced PR company. Easy to independently verify BF hired a pricey attorney.

In addition if BF really, really believed it was murder-suicide then WHY didn't he make a public statement directed at the grieving family of the two girls? He's been dead silent. Very suspicious. Not saying he was the killer. Just that he clearly knows info and is being tight lipped. Was he being threatened, and the perp went after his GF instead?

R440, R441, Women normally don't use a gun to commit suicide. Even rarer that they shoot themselves in the head if they're at all focused on their appearance. They don't want their loved ones to bury a body with their head blown off and their face destroyed.

More likely for women to jump off of a tall building. Those few who've killed older children use a vehicle as a weapon.

R441, What's his motive? Not married to her, no kids together, house presumably in his name, no monetary gain. I don't think he was messing with the daughters either. So why would he have them killed?

R442- I don't know why he would need a PR firm. There has been so little info about him, unless that's what they're doing. I'm sure he's worried about his business. See, I don't think it's suspicious he hasn't said anything. He's laying low because he knows he is a POI. He could be traumatized. Who knows what state of mind he's in.

R443, see link. It happens more than we realize. This case was last month.

The boyfriend's company has its own PR people attached to it, so he didn't hire someone to handle this, he already had it.

R443 My post was in part a theory that she didn't shoot herself *on her own volition*. But people like you don't read, just skim.

The reason I don’t see it as a pro hit is because it’s a gated community and I’d bet there are cameras everywhere. Too many people live in the house. Pros won’t kill kids, and the ones desperate enough to agree to it will be sloppy. If Wheeler wanted her dead, he could have saved himself a lot of trouble and had her killed on her way home from work. The daughters could have gone to their fathers.

I think she was under a lot of pressure. She had a druggie criminal son, a leech of a brother and two daughters getting cuter as she was getting older. She was already seven years older than her boyfriend. She made bad decisions in her romantic partners, and I bet Wheeler was no exception.

I agree that women are very unlikely to be head shooters, but men have no problem with it. R441 I hadn't thought of that scenario, it's pretty gruesome. If it did happen, I think that she'd tell him to go fuck himself, threatening the daughters or not. Regarding him calling his dad first and the poster asking how anybody would know, the police always know who called who and when. Cell phones trip up so many people that are trying to get away with committing a crime.

I still think the BF diddled the youngest or impregnated one of the other two.

The GF tried to extort a large settlement from him.

He paid someone to do the dirty work and gave them the key to the house.

Is the son a druggie, R447? I haven't heard much about him. I agree, if the BF wanted to kill her, there were much easier ways to do it.

The linked story reminds me a bit of this case.

The lengths and crazy stories that people are coming up with to avoid the simplest explanation... wow. Someone forced her to kill herself to spare the daughters and then killed them anyway? Even I wouldn’t do that.

It's ridiculous than women don't use guns to kill others or themselves. Of course they do! Diane Downs shot her three children, one died (1983). Christy Sheats chased her daughters (ages 17 and 22) into the street and shot them dead (2016). Carola Arnau shot her two children (ages 4 and 10) and herself dead (2017). Jessica Edens shot her ex’s girlfriend, her two children (ages 5 and 9), and herself dead (2017).

R450, someone on a FB group looked up and took screenshots of his charges. Then compiled them. It’s quite a listfor a 22-year old. They span the last four years, which was after he became an adult. Who knows what juvie charges he racked up that were expunged?...

If we are looking for violent people in her life... he could have come asking for money, could have been resentful that his half-siblings were living a luxurious life when he had to live life with a teen mom who had an unstable life and a tumultuous love life (to put it nicely). I’m thinking there’s a good chance it was her son.

Here’s a screenshot of the comment.

R446, Pardon me? I read everything anyone writes very carefully, word for word. You don't even know me, yet you use words like "People Like Me?" What is wrong with you?

If you've read my post carefully enough you would have realized that I actually agree with your theory that she was forced to kill. However I still don't know how she could have shot herself in the head when facing an extremely traumatic situation, in front of her 2 daughters, unless she was very skilled with a gun.

R444, I don't think the situation in TN is comparable. This woman was working a job she loved. Both daughters had very strong emotional and financial support and apparently even shared custody or at least visitation rights with both baby daddies' families.

Wow, R453. I think you could be right. The son is a derelict. He was probably told to never come to the house or near his half sisters given his criminal and drug background. He could have resented his mom's (and his sisters') sudden wealth and felt like an outsider--rejected. That kind of rage + drugs can be lethal. Does the kid have a rock solid alibi?

[quote]I don't understand why people have an easier time believing the boyfriend did it

Because men kill their girlfriends and wives 1000 x more often than women kill their kids.

R453, We haven't heard a statement from her son nor his father, her 1st ex-husband. Nor his relatives which would be expected.

Mom & daughters wouldn't be expecting son to kill them, and would have given him access to their home. He could have made an anonymous call to BF and found out that he was away for the night.

What was her son's college major? What was his career goals? Did he ever hold a job?

Quickly hopping on the "son did it" bandwagon. Either way, he's a fucking mess.

Still would like to know who punched the 2 holes in the wall of the house. Not easy for most woman to do. Do we know Nichol's height and weight?

R457, the medical examiner concluded that Nichol killed herself and wasn't killed by her boyfriend (or anybody else.)

"According to a study quoted by Wikipedia (linked), 52-percent of the children who were killed by their mothers (maternal filicide) were female, while 57-percent of the children who were killed by their fathers (paternal filicide) were male. Parents were responsible for 61-percent of child murders under the age of five. Sometimes, there is a combination of murder and suicide in filicide cases. On average, according to FBI statistics, 450 children are murdered by their parents each year in the United States"

And mothers are actually more likely to be the murdering parent when the child is under age 8, and the father more likely if they are 8 or older... "Glen Carruthers, author of "Making sense of spousal revenge filicide," argued that those who engage in spousal revenge killings see their own children as objects"

Thank you, R453! Wow, quite the rap shit for a 22 year old. A far cry from the innocent college student he was portrayed as. Her life wasn't so perfect afterall. It just shows looks can be deceiving. I still think mom did it, but if anyone is a bit suspect, it's the son and his criminal dealings. It's kind of laughable that people are bending over backwards coming up with ridiculous scenarios against the criminal free, business owner BF, while the son is shady as hell and she has had a domestic violence case against her. Something has to be wrong with the boyfriend if he would get involved with this mess of a family.

R453, Link to that particular FB group? They seem to be outdoing Websleuths for info.

I dug around a little and couldn't find detailed information like R453, but I located at least 4 criminal records for him, the most recent May 10, 2018 and June 5, 2018.

I think friends will not want to believe she could have done this, like that lesbian couple that did the murder-suicide still have their friends swear it had to have been an accident. People often put on a facade and there is no way to know what is going on underneath the surface. She seemed happy and full of life to them but it will be interesting to know what the police find.

Its starting to look like a whole lot of drama - the son, the boyfriend who probably did have a temper and punch walls, and the over reactive probably raging out mom - who was most likely really at the end of her rope as I believe the boyfriend did break up with her or demand she leave - with no place to go and a perceived lifetime of being dragged around by baby daddies she probably literally freaked out and killed them all in an act of rage/passion. Fuck them all is probably what went through her mind pulling the trigger, fuck them all, fuck the world. I bring up again like I did earlier in the thread I would be curious if any new medications had been started by mom. Birth control, diet meds, psych meds . . . coke rage . . .

Just to clarify, his 2018 court cases are in a different type of court, so they might not be arrests, but some other dispute.

Administrative court: An administrative court is a type of court specializing in administrative law, particularly disputes concerning the exercise of public power. Their role is to ascertain that official acts are consistent with the law. Such courts are considered separate from general courts.

His mugshot from 2014.

Possibly the son had mentioned to unsavory friends that mom and sisters were living large, and one of them decided to target them for $$. Or he had a drug problem and needed $$. Or boyfriend owed big $$ and someone came to the house to get it. What about the brother who lived with them? What is his story?? Who were his acquaintances? Or, mom was despondent over a busted relationship, and decided, "Oh, you don't want us---you've ruined our lives, this is the outcome!"

I think her brother was the black guy in one of her Instagram photos. I still think something had to be way off for the handsome, young, well off, never married BF to pursue this baby mama with her motley crew in tow. Why wasn't the BF with some former SMU sorority girl? I can understand a sexual attraction, but letting her and the crew move into his home? Was he damaged goods too?

Would this be legit? Someone on Nichol's FB Dateline page in the Comments said to go to "Safari" and then type in her name. Then you will find out "who did it."

If anyone has another revealing FB page or source of new info, please link.

One of Nichol's friends posted on FB about a violent incident that allegedly occurred in 2017 on the couple's one year anniversary in Galveston. The BF supposedly got violent with Nichol and cops were called. He left the hotel premises before cops arrived and left Nichol stranded. This friend seems to indicate this wasn't the first time and acknowledged the relationship was volatile. Her account is backed up by other friends of Nichol's in the comments under the post. Nichol seems to have had many friends and most of them seem extremely skeptical over the ME's findings.

R471, Do you think the BF has a drug or alcohol problem? Many can't deal with extreme job pressures, and running your own company is stressful. Substance abuse can bring out the worst in men and women.

Asked by the hotel to leave ASAP due to aggressive behavior.

Bill Clinton put a hit on that family.

[quote]Her smile would light up the room.

LOL @ R473. Ripped from our very own "Let's be an episode of Forensic Files" thread.

R474, R475, Thrilled that you find my posts amusing. Many prominent directors have told me I was born to be on a sit com, playing "the straight." Actually this thread makes me sad, so I appreciate your attempts to lighten it up.

What do you think of the podcast interview?

Nichol’s brother has a FB page under the name “Justin Sstx”. He is really into customizing cars, I guess it’s his job. He’s not a suspect, in my opinion.

R478i, Here's the link. Lots of good info.

R469, I wonder about the boyfriend. He had to be screwed-up, too. She came with a LOT of baggage. No emotionally healthy man is going to take all that on. I don’t doubt he was a ragey asshole, but I don’t think he killed them.

I feel very sorry for her daughters, because I think they were surrounded by all the shitty men she chose to have in her life.

R480, There's a Blind about a celeb who does charity work at a homeless shelter. He befriends the pretty young women with children. One by one he invites them to live in his home with their kids. Of course sex is expected. OK.

After about a month he breaks up with them, and moves on to the next homeless women with young kids. Some kind of power trip?

R480, EWWWW. Actually, it sounds like he wants access to the kids. If he just wants desperate dependent pussy, there are plenty of down-and-out pretty women who don’t have kids...

Update on LE progress at link.

r481 Sounds like you are reading blinds from CDAN, it's all pedo clickbait over there to entice sickos like you who get off on that kind of thing. No evidence this guy did anything to the girls, why are you so excited to think he's a pedo?

And datalounge will blame the woman for this.

R485, if it turns out she did it, yes.

Personally, I think it’s most likely the son. If not, toss-up between her and the BF.

The only mystery left to me is why the bf would take on her and her merry band of misfits. Only thing I could think of is that he could dominate her because he was the better catch and financially supported her and the girls. But that doesn't even make sense if what someone posted above is true and her brother used to live with them. How dominating could the BF be if he allowed the brother to stay in his home? Now said moocher is insinuating he's a killer. The story the friend told in the IG post is one sided. If he was so bad, she would've left instead of running back to him the next day. I don't think this woman was some shrinking violet and it was far from her first rodeo. Maybe her fiery personality challenged him and that was his attraction to her. This guy is being scapegoated by her friends, family and randoms online, the only thing he seems guilty of is poor judgement and stupidity for ever get involved with these people.

I wonde what she did to make the killer bf so angry.

The son is suspicious, especially when we haven’t heard from him at all yet. There’s gun crime on his rap sheet so he definitely has access to a weapon. It would make sense for him to take out his mom and sisters if he felt jealousy. Perhaps he would have shot the bf too had he been there that night. If the brother lived with them where was he? Was he out of the house that night too. I’d like to know why the bf wasn’t there too. That would say a lot. Generally when men are gone all night there’s been a fight and he’s gone to a hotel or a friends house.

R489, We don't know whether or not BF took work related brief trips out of town.

I'd like to know if her son was at the vigil and if he made a statement. Odd that relatives of both of the girls (although not London's father with whom she had a custody dispute) have made public statements but not her son.

Now people want to know if Nichol had gotten pregnant again by her live-in BF.

LE was asked by a reporter if Nichol had left a suicide note. LE hemed and hawed and did not answer either way.

If there's any benefit to this tragedy it's that the subject of suicide, particularly in seemingly random situations where the person outwardly appears to be stable and happy, is being widely discussed. Still I don't want to believe this is a case of murder - suicide, and I know many others would agree.

R484, Yours is one of the more disgusting posts I've read on DL. "Excited" at the possibility of more innocent children sexually abused and traumatized for life? You sound exactly like a perp, or at least a soicopathic or psychopathic apologists for violent, mentally ill rapists. PLEASE get help ASAP.

CDAN is often wrong but sometimes they're also correct. Websleuths is often wrong but sometimes they're also correct. DL is often wrong but sometimes they're also correct. Shall I continue?

The Facebook post by Nichol's friend at R473 raises some important points:

[quote]The things in this story are so fishy. Nichol was an amazing mother. She would never have killed her daughters. And she loved life too much to kill herself. Why was the boyfriend not home the night the three were killed? He stayed at his parents house. Why did he call his dad first the next morning when he discovered the dead bodies? Why were the security cameras in their million dollar house conveniently turned off? I love you Nichol. Rest In Peace my beautiful friend

R485- That is one of the stupidest things I've read. All fingers are pointing in her direction, it's not some random assumption. Just because she's a woman, does not mean she is incapable of murder.

I said this in an earlier post, the biggest problem is the Sheriff, he sounds like a keystone cop. He said the following as per R483,

[html removed]It’s not that I’m not totally convinced by (the evidence),” Salazar told KSAT. “We owe it to the public and to the victims in the case, and their families, of course, to continue this investigation. We can’t just say, ‘Well, this is what the medical examiner says, case closed.’ We’ve still got two murder investigations, at least at this point, on these two young ladies. We have to find out who it is.”[html removed]

He is the biggest dumbass I've seen in law enforcement. He talks in circles. All he's done thus far is throw a rope for the conspiracy theorists to keep hanging on to these completely ridiculous scenarios. I think he knows exactly what happened, but because LE don't want to be accused of bias, they keep drawing this out. I'm in NY and LE would never say something as asinine as this guy did. If they wanted to be vague, they would just say the investigation is on going and they have yet to make a final determination.

R490- I know its been said about the bf too and the public statement, but I think some people are just private. I'm that way myself. A close relative of mine passed away recently and I posted nothing on SM. I actually find it more strange when someone close dies and people post right away. I remember the days before SM, so maybe that's why. I know it's hard to believe, but people snap. In googling mother suicides/homicides because of this case, I came across a lot of these stories. One was Mary Ann Holder. She stood out to me because she not only killed her own 2 kids, but her 2 nephews and her niece. Not only that, but she picked up her son from an overnight and killed him in the car right before killing herself! I think she shot her bf/husband too, but he survived. The story of the aftermath people questioned how well you can really know someone.

I think that Nichol's son and brother were probably some of the first people interviewed. They've never said that they are persons of interest.

r491 I was calling out the perv that wants this case to be about pedophilia, I'm sure you already know that you dumb cunt. You sound like another of these right wing losers that needs everything to be about kiddie diddlers, sad for you.

R486 Hmm. The son is a psychopath. Checks list including absentee father.

R472, you type bitter, lazy and resentful 😅

[quote]One was Mary Ann Holder. She stood out to me because she not only killed her own 2 kids, but her 2 nephews and her niece.

She also killed the oldest son's girlfriend.

R495, Are you a psychopath or a sociopath? Why are you so irrationally angry at total strangers? Did your mother abuse you? Or just not love you?

R497, Excuse me? Why do you think it's acceptable for a man to be 86'd ASAP from a hotel for violent, aggressive behavior? BF should have been arrested. Why wasn't he?

Yes Nichol should have then left him permanently, especially being the mother of 3 children.

Be careful [R499], you're taking on a keyboard warrior!

three less fish = always good!

R498, that confused me. In the article I linked they said it was her step-niece, but in an article from the time of the killings they said it was the son's girlfriend.

R501, Not sure what you meant by a "keyboard warrior" but thanks for the warning.

Linked is the Twitter page of a local reporter. Her most recent Tweet was deleted for some unknown reason.

Practically, wouldn't a woman have to be very, very skilled with a gun to shoot a 16-year-old and herself in the head with just a single shot?

R504, Correction on my previous post, The tweet (and account) deleted belongs to the person who contacted Peggy O'Hare, the San Diego Express-News reporter on the case, not O'Hare. That does seem odd, as if someone did not want their name and photo out there and associated with this case. Emotions are high. NO seems to have a ton of family and friends who are vocal online.

R503 Murderpedia says it was her two sons, niece, nephew, and older son's girlfriend.

[R504]

Keyboard warriors are very comfortable throwing out insults and profanity form behind the safety of their keyboard. They try to project an image of being tough while knowing you can't get physically at them.

And I don't think the woman killed herself and her daughters. The media is being given crap for public consumption while LE does their job, IMO.

If the Medical Examiner states death was caused by suicide and puts that on the death certificate, isn't that hard to change at a later date ??

Has the ME issued a death certificate at this time?

I assumed there might be a death certificate since the ME's finding were released publicly. Maybe not..

There have been many cases on Dateline and similar shows of "suicides" changed to murder by a skilled hit man.

The weird thing about the statement that she committed suicide was including that the investigation was still looking into others being involved.

My impression was the death certification was pending the completion of the investigation.

Thanks, R506. Reading through some of the articles, apparently Makayla was both😮. She was related to the mom, but not by blood. The mom took her in because her parents were having problems and she started seeing the eldest son. Wow, this woman's life was sordid. Why did she keep taking in kids when she couldn't handle it. The poor nephews already suffered enough with their mom dying. Same as NO, this woman was pregnant and married at 15 and the oldest child was unharmed. I didn't see anything about where the baby was at the time of the killings or why she spared her life.

If this identical instance involved poor black people instead of hillbillies, no one would care.

There had been visits to the home from the Sheriff’s Office in the past year: three to attempt to serve papers, and one responding to a report of theft.

Also there's been a lot of legal hassling with the son's father (Nichol's 1st husband.( Both son and his father should be POI.

OK. Changing my theory as to the identity of the perp away from BF to son and/or son's father. Rumors of restraining order and a lot of legal hassles between her 1st ex-husband.

Following statement is from BF much earlier ex-GF:

"I will be SHOCKED beyond belief if Charlie did this. I haven’t spoken to him directly since all this happened for obvious reasons but I was getting information from a family member. Then they were told to stop speaking about the case entirely, with anyone, so that was short lived.

The small amount of info I did get was that 1) There were security cameras at his gate and driveway but not inside his house. 2) He was at his parents home the previous night 3) NO had canceled all of her appts that wk and kept her daughter (unsure which one—maybe both?) from school for a few days leading up to this. She also being “weird” (no further elaboration) leading up to this and in hindsight, there were some signs that this (suicide) was coming.

Feel free to disregard all of the above bc again, people do crazy/evil things that you’d never expect some times. But Charlie really is a sweet guy and I feel so sad for him right now. You’d never even know he was worth millions when you meet him bc he’s just a nice country boy.

Before he bought that house a year ago he lived on a ranch in a tiny south Texas town. I looked at these facts HARD wearing my “prosecutor hat” bc I didn’t want to be the idiot blinded by a friendship. And If I had heard anything thus far, other than the outcry from her friends, that made him sound guilty, I’d shut my mouth."

Good find, R516. I wanted to hear from someone from his side. It's pretty much what I said way upthread. An arrogant, stuck up guy would not be with a woman like this, much less move them into a million dollar house. I think he was just a naive guy and she was a more challenging type than he was used to. Maybe was looking to take a little walk on the wild side being he was from small town Texas. I'm sure he cared for her though. They were probably going through difficulties, which is why he wasn't sleeping home and what might have set her off.

If anyone was a little shady it is the son and ex, but I still believe it was her.

I don't get the fascination with this case. She's a low class ho who offed her kids and then herself, and he's likely a Trumpster.

Haha r518 probably doesn't under what makes Chris Watts so special either. r518 is a loser!

"DL murder Frau" made me nearly spit out my drink.

Thanks R516. Sure changes my mind. Except, really, a woman with 3 children by 3 different men, who bore first child at 15? I guess I should have known. Plus "hairdresser" and crazy asian, mexican, hawaiian hodgepodge family. That's more DRAMA than Texas boy bargained for. Bet Momma and Daddy are relieved the problem is solved.

Maybe the DL "murder fraus" are all over this thread because they're insanely jealous of a common skank who landed a millionaire since not even Bubba from the Esso pays attention to them. Deep down, they think she was lucky to land such a catch, but their insane jealousy has taken over and so they must blame anyone but her - he was molesting the kids, he staged the scene to look like a murder-suicide, her son did it, one of her ex's did it. They can't see that the woman might have been totally fucked up and as miserable as they are. The case is total fantasy fodder for them.

So, you guys that are slut shaming Nichol, that means that you have slept with less than four different guys, right? Because you are calling another person a slut.

I've got nothing against slutitude, R523, but having children by three different guys does look a bit careless.

Depends on the culture, in some cultures there’s a belief that you have to “give” a man a child if you love him and it’s a serious relationship. In this case the son was probably unplanned but at 14 she had no proper sex ed or guidance. The oldest girl was the result of a marriage. It’s not that outlandish. I have male relatives with 5+ baby mamas.

Of course I would have advised the bf against getting involved with someone with that much baggage. The comment from his ex is interesting. I wonder where was a small town ranch boy meeting all these broads. Still, just like the comments from Nichol’s family, it makes him seem too good. We know he had a temper and their relationship was volatile. He wasn’t staying with his parents for nothing. Time will tell.....right now if it wasn’t Nichol I think the son is a bigger suspect than the bf.

When I look at the little bit of information that's there about her early relationships and having kids, I don't see anything untoward there. She could have had abortions, but she didn't. She kept and raised all of them. She was probably guided by her personal feelings on kids. But some people on here just type away about what a horrible loser she is. Based on what? I don't see it. And she's never lost custody of any of them, and she's never stopped working, even while with Charlie. And then there's the fact that everyone that knows her seems to love her.

She had baggage, R526, and despite the evidence, posters here are pointing the blame at every one but her. If she were a fat, unattractive woman no one here would be looking for others to blame.

The local news in San Antonio announced a couple of hours ago that this case is a murder x2 - suicide per the medical examiner. Mom shot the girls and then herself.

R528, Murder X 2 + suicide was the original conclusion of the ME as reported almost a week ago. Now LE immediately said that they're taking a much closer look at all of the evidence. Case is inconclusive.

R526, I never slut shamed her, but there is no denying she wasn't exactly a great catch. She was pregnant and married by 15, that is not exactly normal. Then she had 2 more kids with different fathers. She also didn't appear to have been able to maintain a stable relationship. She moved her daughters in with a boyfriend that supposedly had control issues, that's not great judgement (not that I totally believe that part). Let's not forget her son has an arrest record as long as my arm and she has DV case against her. She did work, I'll give you that, but she worked in a strip mall salon. She was financially dependent on him and I'm sure HER kids were going to better schools because of the home HE provided. I won't call her a loser (well up until she murdered her daughters), but she wasn't exactly a winner either.

R527- there are some of us that believe she did it. I don't know why these other people are finding it so hard to believe. When the Sheriff announces she did it, they still won't believe it.

Part 2 of my previous post from a woman BF once dated, in response to my question of why he chose to date her:

Yes, he is a very sought after guy. Very very good looking (his pictures, especially with the nasty beard) don’t do him justice.

Honestly, I wondered why he was dating her as well but chalked it up to her being beautiful and him not being someone that is judgmental. And according to her friends, she was a wonderful, kind, loving, fun person, so I’m sure he was attracted to that. He’s also very generous which would explain why he’d let her whole family move in (what else would he do with that big house?)

Also, I have no evidence that he is this type of guy, but maybe he liked the idea of “saving her”? I know so many men that get off on feeling like the white knight that saved the woman from a life of sadness/distress. Just a thought?

The following are informative posts from the same private site, in response to the woman who used to date BF:

It’s nice to hear all the kind things about CW, but at the same time I find it so hard to understand how so many have stated (yes on Facebook) allegations of abuse. She may very well have pushed him to it but I can’t understand all the venom. Yes they’ve lost a friend but friends from different groups. How is it they are all saying the same thing? Even a bravo TV star. So strange.

In addition there's another rumor. A friend said her son was contacted by Alexa (his girlfriend) that terrible night, and that she and her sister were hiding from the scary fight between the two. Yes he could have left and gone to his parents house to ride it out. But is it believable she would turn around and shoot her two kids in the head? If she had control of one, most certainly the other would have taken off.

I’m not blaming CW but murder - suicide just seems so unlikely.

Lastly, wasn’t Skylar at the vigil? I read he was but couldn’t speak, too broken up

It was stated she cancelled her appointments Tuesday, and her child wasn’t in school as well. Is it possible she cancelled because her daughter was sick, and she by law can’t be home unattended? (At least it’s that way up her in the Midwest). Then perhaps her daughter was feeling better and she made the two appointments for Thursday.

It wasn’t like she cancelled the entire week for this suggested pact. It seems from the time line just a couple days at most.

“I want to point out that the medical examiner’s findings are independent of what we may eventually find as we continue to conduct this investigation,” Salazar said Monday. “Ours is a separate, but concurrent, investigation.”

Today Salazar said the shootings aren’t “the most clear-cut case in the world,” noting there are too many “unanswered questions.” His investigators are pressing forward to independently verify whether Olsen’s death was a suicide and to find out who killed the children.

“Sheriff: Boyfriend of woman in San Antonio triple shooting is ‘person of interest,’ not a suspect”

“The boyfriend of a woman found shot to death with her two daughters in a gated community of luxury homes near Leon Springs is a ‘person of interest,’ but not a suspect in the case, Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar said Thursday.

Charlie Wheeler, 31, has cooperated fully with the investigation and submitted to tests seeking any traces of gunshot residue on his hands, the sheriff said.

‘He’s been cooperative with us knowing full well that under the circumstances he’s a person of interest,’ Salazar said. ‘We’re not calling anybody a suspect at this point.’

One of Wheeler’s attorneys expressed frustration with the sheriff’s comments and said there is no probable cause indicating Wheeler committed any crime.

‘We think it is regrettable that this young man is being demonized, that he’s now being publicly identified,’ said San Antonio attorney Mark Stevens, one of three lawyers representing Wheeler. ‘He is a young man with no criminal record for violence whatsoever.

Attorneys Therese Huntzinger and Patrick Hancock are also part of Wheeler’s legal team.

Wheeler told officers he found the victims’ bodies when he returned home around 9 a.m. that morning after staying at a relative’s home in another city the night before. Wheeler had departed the residence the previous evening due to conflict in the home, the sheriff said. Investigators are still working to verify his whereabouts during that time period.

‘People have told us that this wasn’t the happiest of relationships,’ Salazar said of Wheeler and Olsen. ‘We take that information into account ... but we can’t just rely on that as a determining factor in motive or anything like that.’”

"The three were found close together on the floor of a common area on the second floor of the house, Salazar said. A handgun was found in close proximity to Olsen’s body, he said. No suicide note was found."

Until youve had a gun pointed at you,you cant even begin to know how you'll react. Both times it happened to me I literally froze in place. I couldnt have moved if I wanted to. The mother could have very well shot one girl with the other standing right there and had time to shoot the other one.

Some of us are forgetting that the police are not telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth, they're telling us what they want the public to know. They feel perfectly free to withhold information from the public or lie, because it's necessary to keep some things private while investigating a suspicious death.

And if you don't know that, you don't deserve to be on the Datalounge Detective Squad!

Give it up, R535. It's a week later, if the bf or anyone else did it, they would have arrested him. If you're thinking Chris Watts, the wife and kids were "missing" as per his story. I can see cops playing along with that bullshit. Here, there is no reason to. It's a more clean cut case. Find dead bodies, determine who did it. That brother in NJ who killed his millionaire brother, SIL, niece and nephew before burning their house down and setting fire to his own home was more complex. Yet, they arrested the brother within days. Not sure if the whole SAP department is inept or just the bumbling Sheriff.

They have to know by now the bf didn't do it. They would have tracked his car along the highways and they would have had video of him entering the community. They've tested his hands, his car etc.. It's pretty much what many of us said early on. They fought, he left, she snapped. Seems like the relationship was on the way to being over.

This reminds me of the Rebecca Zahau "suicide" where the richest guy in town called in his brother to put a hit on the girlfriend, who "killed" herself by hog-tieing herself with elaborate sailor knots(brother was a sailor) and then jumped off of the balcony. The police immediately cleared the husband and everyone else, and called it a suicide. Eventually Zahau's family got a civili settlement from the whole thing. Anyway this is how it goes when you're the richest guy in town and have some serious shit to hide.

Oh and then there's the Davey Blackburn case, where he got some ganster ghoodrats to kill his wife and the PD was all too happy not to look for who hired them, because they were on an anti-gang PR campaign and recovering from several scandals. The crime scene was scrubbed literally the next day, and Pastor Davey collected enough insurance money to go from middle class to upper middle class, without any real job.

Wasn't Pastor Davey "cleared 110%" or something, the next day, because he was "at the gym" during the murders? No further investigation because the hitmen were black teenagers.

Anyway if this wasn't a suicide I'd bet there are several accomplices. But money buys a lot if everyone can keep cool for long enough.

They won't give it up, R536. Nothing else is going on in their lives, they're bored and depressed and they have nothing better to do than to come up with conspiracy theories and accuse people of murder without evidence. She's the one with a history of domestic violence - something they conveniently forget to mention while they place the blame on everyone but Nichol.

How hard is it to fake a suicide?

Just because something is "cultural" and "not outlandish" (having children by multiple different men) doesn't mean it's 100% positive for the children. The focus on this culture seems to be on the adults: women showing their love to the current man in their life by having a baby. The focus should be on the children, who have no choice in the matter.

If they want to assure the public she committed suicide, the police will state she had gunpowder residue on her hands.

R542, It's the way the announcement of suicide - murder was made that makes me initially so suspicious. I'd expect that they'd do more than make a blanket statement.

[R543]

I agree.

The cops say the BF is a person of interest, not a suspect. That means nothing.

It's a roundabout way of just saying they don't have the goods on him yet.

Let's not be so quick to assume the boyfriend did it, R544. We have nothing resembling evidence.

All we really know is that it's about a thousand times more likely for a woman to be killed by a man with whom she has a close relationship, than for her to be the perpetrator of a murder-suicide.

Here an updated article to the one I posted previously:

Sheriff says boyfriend of woman in San Antonio triple shooting is ‘person of interest,’ but not a suspect

Nichol Leila Olsen quarreled with her boyfriend the night before she and her two daughters were found shot to death in a luxury home in a gated neighborhood near Leon Springs, Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar said Thursday.

“I think there’d been an argument at the very least ... and he went to another residence,” Salazar said.

That boyfriend, Charlie Wheeler, 31, is a “person of interest,” but not a suspect in the case, Salazar said in an interview with the San Antonio Express-News.

“A person of interest is just somebody that we’re interested in talking to,” Salazar said.

Wheeler is not the only person drawing such scrutiny. The sheriff’s office is looking at others as well, Salazar confirmed.

Wheeler has cooperated fully with the investigation since the day of the shootings and willingly submitted to tests scanning his hands for any traces of gunshot residue, the sheriff said. Those test results are still pending.

“We’re not calling anybody a suspect at this point,” Salazar said. I'm not calling anybody a suspect at this point,” Salazar said.

One of Wheeler’s attorneys expressed frustration with the sheriff’s comments Thursday and said there is no probable cause to indicate Wheeler committed any crime.

“We think it is regrettable that this young man is being demonized, that he’s now being publicly identified,” said San Antonio attorney Mark Stevens, one of three lawyers representing Wheeler. “He is a young man with no criminal record for violence whatsoever.

“What we would ask is that people not jump to conclusions, that they not demonize this young man who does not deserve it, that they let the professionals do their jobs and complete this investigation. And respect the privacy of presumptively innocent people and of Charlie Wheeler, who did not commit a crime here.”

Attorneys Therese Huntzinger and Patrick Hancock also are part of Wheeler’s legal team.

Wheeler has not responded to requests for comment.

Olsen, 37, and her daughters, Clark High School cheerleader Alexa Denise Montez, 16, and London Sophia Bribiescas, 10, were found dead at Wheeler’s home in the 11300 block of Anaqua Springs on the morning of Jan. 10. Olsen and her daughters lived with Wheeler at the residence, located inside a gated community in far northwest Bexar County.

Bribiescas died from a gunshot wound to her head and neck.

The three were found close together on the floor of a “common area” on the second story of the house, Salazar said. He declined to be more specific about the area where they were discovered.

A handgun was found in close proximity to Olsen’s body, he said. No suicide note was found.

Olsen’s hands also were tested for any traces of gunshot residue, Salazar said. Investigators haven’t yet received those test results.

There were no signs that anyone had forced their way inside the residence, the sheriff said.

Investigators haven’t determined the exact time of the shootings, but believe they occurred between 10 p.m. on Jan. 9 and 9 a.m. on Jan. 10.

Salazar said he currently has no reason to doubt the medical examiner’s rulings, but noted the shootings aren’t “the most clear-cut case in the world.” He said there are too many “unanswered questions.”

His investigators are pressing forward to independently verify whether Olsen’s death was a suicide and to find out who killed the children.

“I’m pushing my investigators hard because I’m just as interested as everybody else to find out what’s the truth here? What really happened?” Salazar said.

He asked anyone with information about the case or the people involved to contact the sheriff’s office by calling 210-335-6070 or sending an email to BCSOTips@bexar.org.

Updated article:

Sheriff says BF of woman in San Antonio triple shooting is ‘POI’ but not a suspect

Nichol Leila Olsen quarreled with her boyfriend the night before she and her two daughters were found shot to death in a luxury home in a gated neighborhood near Leon Springs, Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar said Thursday.

“I think there’d been an argument at the very least ... and he went to another residence,” Salazar said.

“A POI is just somebody that we’re interested in talking to,” Salazar said.

Wheeler is not the only person drawing such scrutiny. The sheriff’s office is looking at others as well,

Wheeler has cooperated fully with the investigation since the day of the shootings and willingly submitted to tests scanning his hands for any traces of gunshot residue, the sheriff said. Those test results are still pending.

“We’re not calling anybody a suspect at this point,” Salazar said. I'm not calling anybody a suspect at this point,” Salazar said.

One of Wheeler’s attorneys expressed frustration with the sheriff’s comments Thursday and said there is no probable cause to indicate Wheeler committed any crime.

“We think it is regrettable that this young man is being demonized, that he’s now being publicly identified,” said San Antonio attorney Mark Stevens, one of three lawyers representing Wheeler. “He is a young man with no criminal record for violence whatsoever.

“What we would ask is that people not jump to conclusions, that they not demonize this young man who does not deserve it, that they let the professionals do their jobs and complete this investigation. And respect the privacy of presumptively innocent people and of Charlie Wheeler, who did not commit a crime here.”

Attorneys Therese Huntzinger and Patrick Hancock also are part of Wheeler’s legal team.

Wheeler has not responded to requests for comment.

Olsen, 37, and her daughters, Clark High School cheerleader Alexa Denise Montez, 16, and London Sophia Bribiescas, 10, were found dead at Wheeler’s home in the 11300 block of Anaqua Springs on the morning of Jan. 10. Olsen and her daughters lived with Wheeler at the residence, located inside a gated community in far northwest Bexar County.

The children’s deaths were ruled homicides. Bribiescas died from a gunshot wound to her head and neck.

The three were found close together on the floor of a “common area” on the second story of the house, Salazar said. He declined to be more specific about the area where they were discovered.

A handgun was found in close proximity to Olsen’s body, he said. No suicide note was found.

Olsen’s hands also were tested for any traces of gunshot residue, Salazar said. Investigators haven’t yet received those test results.

There were no signs that anyone had forced their way inside the residence, the sheriff said.

Investigators haven’t determined the exact time of the shootings, but believe they occurred between 10 p.m. on Jan. 9 and 9 a.m. on Jan. 10.

Salazar said he currently has no reason to doubt the medical examiner’s rulings, but noted the shootings aren’t “the most clear-cut case in the world.” He said there are too many “unanswered questions.”

His investigators are pressing forward to independently verify whether Olsen’s death was a suicide and to find out who killed the children.

“I’m pushing my investigators hard because I’m just as interested as everybody else to find out what’s the truth here? What really happened?” Salazar said.

He asked anyone with information about the case or the people involved to contact the sheriff’s office by calling 210-335-6070 or sending an email to BCSOTips@bexar.org.

Tell that to Phil Hartman, R545.

Everyone can recall cases of white female "family annhilators," but are there any examples of women of color doing this? Maybe they just don't get media attention?

Law enforcement has been using that "Person of Interest" term as code for "Suspect" for quite a while now. Keeps the lawyers and potential lawsuits off of their back while they are investigating.

Link to Nichol's FB page.

Also odd for the ME to declare a suicide but not to specify the actual time of death.

Nichol has tattoos. Relevant?

I agree that there's a lot they're not telling us.

Brother's business started Aug 2018 according to his FB.

He just posted a GoFundMe for Nichol to find the truth, "Searching for the Truth."

Yesterday a gofundme for London was created by her aunt. A charity event with monkeys, London's spirit animal is being planned.

Nichol 's Instagram was started in August 2017, perhaps the time she moved into BF house based on the pictures.

She had a different Instagram account that has long been deleted. At that time she was friends with girls aged 24 when she was 30, @nichololsen

L P on Instagram: “First Friday Pub Run! @nichololsen @suzy782”

Pinterest for Nichol was active 1 week ago . The quote, wedding rings, and the interest on one about children's mental health stood out.

[quote]Investigators haven’t determined the exact time of the shootings, but believe they occurred between 10 p.m. on Jan. 9 and 9 a.m. on Jan. 10.

Seems odd that the ME can't give a narrower window of time.

Why does the boyfriend have 3 lawyers is that really necessary? If I come home and my roommate has killed him self will I need to hire a legal team, I think I wouldn’t unless investigators were treating me as a suspect?

Why wouldn't he have 3 lawyers? It's not the same as if a roommate killed themself when there are two children found murdered. If I had the money and was being accused by friends and family, I would have a slew of lawyers too. His lawyers have every right to be furious with LE. If they are as moronic as they seem, he was very smart to hire lawyers and keep his mouth shut. I think Salazar likes the attention and that's why he keeps trying to cast doubt on this murder-suicide. I hope old Charlie learned his lesson from this relationship, sometimes being judgemental is necessary.

Totally agree R557. CW seems like the only smart one in the bunch. Lawyer up, stay quiet. If he did walk in on that horrible scene, he's totally a victim in all this, too. In many ways. I'm working with a lawyer on a trust issue involving my mother. So far he hasn't charged me, but he's saved me tons of aggravation and stupidity by keeping me cool and focused on the evil trustee. He doesn't let me show anger or incriminate myself. THAT is being smart in all this. Protect yourself.

Don't. Talk. To. Cops. Without. A. Lawyer.

Doesn't matter if you are actually innocent of the crime or not r556, you have to protect yourself. If your roommate was killed, yes you should protect yourself because you never know with law enforcement.

Three people shot dead in your home, one of whom is your live-in girlfriend? Yeah, you need to engage the services of a lawyer.

I'll guess how he got three. He asked his dad to to recommend a lawyer. CW calls that lawyer who in turn tells him, "I'm not a criminal defense lawyer but I know a guy". First lawyer contacts that lawyer and second lawyer mentions "This is serious so I'm going to need my associate on this." CW is freaking out so he barely notices that he has a team of three lawyers. Oh, but he'll know, he'll know when he starts getting the bills. He will look back on this later and be pissed that he was innocent and never charged but his lawyer bills will not reflect that. This poor schmuck, if he is innocent, is being put through the wringer both both emotionally and financially.

Yes, he was sensible to lawyer up, and is lucky that he and his family can afford to do so.

Because yeah, when any sensible person hears that a woman is shot to death in her home, the absolute first thought is that her male significant other did it. Simply because that's so common.

Updated info: The toxicology report would help explain why their bodies were located next to each other. Also if alcohol was involved.

The Express article from last night reported they have been romantically involved for two years and that she has been living with him for the past year. Boyfriend purchased the home in April 2017.

Domestic violence charge against the mother was against another man, and not her BF. Who was he? Could he be a suspect?

The domestic assault charge against her was in 2014.

R563, So the domestic assault charge was before she hooked up with BF? Wish I knew the name of who was involved.

From Nichol's Pinterest, linked by R554:

[quote]10 Things That Can Hurt Your Child's Self-Esteem

#11: Bullets.

The January 11 DM article said Jan 11 said:

"In March of 2014, she was charged with a domestic assault. The case was dropped when the witness failed to appear in court, however."

Is there anyway to check her social media to see who she was with in March 2014?

Somebody got her son's rap sheet - isn't this stuff supposed to be public? I'm assuming that's how DM got it. They probably scour people's legal records routinely.

* sorry to repeat date of DM article - sheesh, my cut and paste and reading skills need improving

We knew it wasn't him who she assaulted since it was in 2014. There are no suspects.

The investigation is all BS. Nichol did it. It doesn't seem like that much of a mystery. Teen mom, twice divorced, probably a trail of failed relationships, 3 kids, son with a long criminal history, unhealthy relationship with a boyfriend who she was financially dependent on. I'm sure he helped the son out too, either directly with college tuition or indirectly by paying all her bills/expenses so she could help. If they split, majority of financial responsibility for the kids would fall on her once again. She wouldn't be living in such a nice house, in a upscale area. I'm sure she liked being on the arm of a big catch like CW too. She felt it was all crashing down on her. It wouldn't surprise me if she was drinking that night and that gave her liquid courage. All this 'she wouldn't do it' " she lived for her kids' yada, yada yada, is par for the course in all these cases. Nobody has a perfect life and that's all her friends have been shoveling publicly about her. She was perfect, he was horrible. 🙄

Update: "In addition to the gunshot residue tests, investigators are still waiting on the results of ballistics tests"

Why didn't ME test everything before publishing their findings? Gun shot residue is the number thing you want to test. All they saw was a gun next to her body and declared it as suicide?

CW has 3 attorneys in his corner.

Day 8 still he has not been ruled out as a POI. Again whats taking LE this long to declare he is no longer a POI?

Update: Attorney defends owner of Boerne-area home where bodies were found | KTSA

The attorney representing Nichol Olsen’s BF is lashing out at authorities for calling his client a ‘person of interest.’

Charlie Wheeler claims he found the bodies of Olsen and her two daughters when he returned to his home in Anaqua Springs Ranch the morning of January 10.

“There is no definition in the law of a person of interest. It means absolutely nothing. It just serves to frankly, slander a name by innuendo,” attorney Mark Stevens told KTSA News.

When asked where Wheeler was when the shootings occurred, he said,”I’m not going to tell you what his side of the story is because I don’t want this case tried in the media. Unfortunately, that’s already started,” said Stevens.

He’s also surprised that Salazar isn’t accepting the medical examiner’s ruling.

“That’s pretty surprising because I’ll bet the medical examiner knows a good deal more about that sort of thing than the sheriff does,” Stevens told KTSA News.

“It’s clear that there’s no probable cause to arrest him. It’s a very imprecise and very misleading way to describe a person,” said Stevens.

Update: Amount of gunshot residue on Nichol's hands might be telling. If she fired at least 3 shots the quantity of residue would be greater than if she just shot herself. The amount of residue on her hand would be greater from 3 - 4 shots than just one. If her hand just shows residue levels of one shot then the case for 3 murders, staged to look like murder/suicide, would be stronger.

Update: Pretty impressive that the gofundme (searching for truth) started by Nichol's friends has raised 36k+ within 24 hours. That shows a lot of confidence in their theory she didn’t commit m-s. I wouldn’t want to part with my money just to preserve someone’s reputation.

R540 Dateline is full of homicides staged to look like suicides.

Law enforcement do not believe this woman killed her kids and herself and I don't believe that either.

R572, Still could be a 3rd party hit.

Do you think LE doesn't believe it was M - S? Or is LE trying to be as thorough as possible examining all of the evidence in light of the pap attention and the number of very emotional friends and relatives and even strangers around the world following this case?

Sorry, R568, but I missed the post about her son's long criminal history. Was it basically drugs?

R574, scroll up to R453 post. It summarizes what he was charged with. Drugs, theft, aggravated assault, parole violation, among many other things.

I have a question for the posters that are sleuthing... has any of her friends said what Nichol's life was before Charlie? Where did she live? Did she work elsewhere? Sounds like she worked PT, as needed, currently. How did she and Charlie meet? I feel like there are only fragments of her life being told, instead of a bigger, clearer picture.

Much thanks, r575!

R574, R575, Son also had charges of using a gun along with the above listed crimes. Now he was really grieving at Nichol's vigil, as noted by many of her friends.

We haven't heard for her son's father either, Nichol's 1st husband. Nor from London's father. Not saying they're POI but one would expect a statement. London's aunt has made numerous statements in support of Nichol.

Interesting that the 16-year-old's father stated that he didn't think Nichol living with her BF was the best situation for them. He included both girls in all of his statements, speaking of the 3 women as a family unit. Assuming the 2 half-sisters were very close. Still he never said words along the lines of, "his daughter." He never left out London.

R569 The ME just handles a limited number of issues regarding the bodies, like what time frame did they die in, what was the cause of death. In this case I think that he should have just said death by gunshot wounds, instead of walking out on a limb and adding suicide. And basically LE also thought that he shouldn't be saying that. He doesn't handle the gunshot residue testing, the investigators do, but he knew that the GSR results had not come back yet, but he made the statement anyway. That's pretty reckless. Also Charlie's lawyer sounds like a tool. You don't get to demand that your client is cleared in an ongoing investigation. If Charlie had nothing to do with her death, then he has nothing to worry about. Relax and the investigation run it's course.

To paraphrase Shakespeare, "Me thinks the hipster's lawyers doth protest too much."

Facts about gun residue and weapons.

r580 thank you. Just read a bit, but bookmarked for later. That's a great link.

r579, if he did it, of course they'll come out swinging. OTOH, if he didn't do it, they'll also come out swinging.

The problem is that they can't offer a "normal guy" defense here because they had a troubled relationship and the kids aren't his. He could be guilty of the DV the social media posts claim, and still not be the killer or even involved. Just because it's not the norm, doesn't mean it's not possible.

The other issue is if they have another prime suspect, they're not going to name him/her so they can keep investigating privately. If that's the case, they still have to investigate the BF in order to eliminate any reasonable doubt if they end up trying someone else.

R581, You're quite welcome.

Does anyone think the perp could be a 3rd party and not Nichol or BF? Someone who might be known to either of them so wouldn't have to do a forced entry?

Would anyone be interested in the homes where Nichol lived before moving in with BF? I have several addresses.

R582 Yes, that possibility has been in the mix from the beginning.

I'm wondering about the video surveillance at the house. Someone on here said that it had been turned off. And then someone else who's close to Charlie said that there are no cameras in the house, just one outside at the gate and one that covers the whole driveway. So I'm wondering if that's true that those outside cameras were turned off that night. Why would they be turned off? The whole point of having cameras is to have them turned on.

The neighborhood cameras are a whole separate thing. Those would not be turned off. Usually in these type neighborhoods there is a security guard at the gate, and if you don't have a remote to open the gate, you have to go through the security guard to get in. If, and I am saying IF, Charlie sent someone to the house that night, he most likely would have given them his remote or a spare in order to bypass the security guard.

I think she did it.

Why does everyone think there's some huge cover up? Because she was pretty and her friends said nice things about her? Friends and family of known criminals defend them after their deaths too. Besides, you never know what internal demons she was battling. Many people have serious issues that they don't share with loved ones.

It's very sad but I think she did it also.

r586 After Chris Watts they assume it's always the boyfriend or husband, which 80% of the time it is but it doesn't look like this time.

Exactly, R588. It usually is the husband or boyfriend, but that doesn't mean every case is.

She did it but staged it so it would look like the boyfriend did it!! Ultimate revenge against the guy that was dumping her and peak bitch move! Brava, Nichol - she should become a DL icon.

Currently I'm reading info on 6 different sites. Some believe it was M - S. This post has an opposing view. Note I did not write it but thought DL might want to know the contents. Don't know the identity of the author.

Charlie Wheeler and Nichol Olsen got into a massive fight the night before she was found dead (according to close friends and family).

Her oldest daughter FB messaged her BF and said she was scared of Charlie Wheeler.

Charlie Wheeler is the heir to the Wheeler Southern Dynasty of mineral rights and rodeos, yes, Charlie is a bazillionaire.

His Hispanic, live-in, hairdresser girlfriend with 3 kids was not well liked by his family, even though they’d been together for quite sometime. Friends of Cliff and Cynthia Wheeler have reported over hearing them call her a spick (derogetory term for a Mexican) and did every possible thing to get him to leave her.

Charlie has “the Devil in him”, some have said. Not because he’s obviously evil or a lunatic, but because he looks so normal. Well, that is until the rage hits. People have said his eyes are alien when he’s angry. He’s capable of anything. In fact, little Charlie Wheeler was kind of a douche to his ex girlfriend Brittany Petch, who he physically harmed more than once.

Charlie is a hunter, born and bread. 80% of his photos are touting wild game with blood pouring for their chests. Yea, Charlie was interesting. He liked to chase things. Hunting had a darker pleasure than just sport, no, hunting is Charlie’s kryptonite, and God help you if you went hunting that night.

Charlie found Nichol’s body next day, allegedly, at 9am after having “slept somewhere else@. Instead of calling an ambulance or police, charlie called his dad. His dad, who lives an hour away.

What happened next? A glowing out pour of millions of people in the giant, San Antonio metropolitan area shined a light on this amazing women, and sadness for the deceased daughters.

Charlie? Charlie hired a PR firm to leak NEGATIVE information about Nichol, but has yet to issue any kind of statement, removed all of their mutual FB posts and has been mute. No outrage for the murder, no sadness. This guy is not shy. He has businesses, sales calls, and more photos at a group event than the Backstreet Boys. Charlie’s acting a little guilty.

Wanna know who else he hired? The Bexar County Medical Examiner. I mean, it’s not like they’ve been paid to give contradictory information before, right? Might’ve lost a body that turned up in the desert once or twice, but certainly not fraud, right? Wait, the sweet, Texas town medical examiners, were on high profile cases like the Phil Spector murder, Zimmerman case, and Colonel Shue’s bizarre assassination?

Look up Vincent DiMaio and Randall Frost and you tell me if this young lady committed suicide or not.

That all sounds pretty fake, R591.

Different site, private messaging, original source would be FB or a different location:

" Thirdly, let’s take in consideration that one of Wheeler’s ex girlfriend’s made a statement that he used to chase her around the house with a gun! And she would have to lock herself in a closet. "

The latest I heard re those discussions is that there was an ex-girlfriend who claims CW used to run around after her with a gun when they would fight, or something similar. Really crazy stuff, but at the same time if you check out CW’s mother's profile, Cindy wheeler on his friends list, the family looks so tight knit and approachable.

I’m sure they weren’t thrilled with her unconventional background, as they appear very much so.

There’s also a video shown on her aunt;s page, with Charlie sitting amongst her relatives playing some guessing game in a circle. That was interesting. Her name is Benessa Richardson. She posts a lot so you have to scroll down to Monday at 12:50 pm

R590- haha, that thought actually crossed my mind. It's doubtful though.

R591- I believe none of that post. Some of it is regurgitated and twisted around, for example, the daughter texted her bf that her mother and CW were fighting not that she was scared of him. Most of it sounds like fiction to further an agenda. Smear Nichol? All I've heard is how wonderful she is. All I've heard about Charlie is that he's an abuser. If he has a PR firm working for him, he should demand a refund. If he was so abusive, what does that say about Nichol as a mother placing and keeping her kids in that home? People are out for this man's blood. Some of the stories I've read about him are ridiculous, including the story about him chasing a gf around with a gun. Where is the original source? CW is not the one with multiple divorces and a criminal past.

R593- I just saw the video. He looked very uncomfortable in the few seconds he was filmed.

My advice to Charlie is to get rid of the house ASAP. Give it away, if that's what it takes. Who the hell is going to want to live there anyway? Then move far, far, far away from that place and sever every tie that was Nichol related. Sad to say, but this dude got a lucky escape.

There needs to be a TV Movie with all of these conflicting but emotionally charged posts:

Could be rumors but there is a lot of consistent talk about BF and his ways on friends' FB. There is also a comment from Bravo TV “Married to Medicine” star Dr. Monica Patel. She writes about an episode at a hotel on their anniversary.

Per his friend, he didn’t have interior security cameras. At least that’s what his family told her. Friends of Nichol's who have all been in the house say he did. Interesting the family told the friend wrong information. Why? Or were the interior security cameras turned off?

Another informative post follows: Charlie’s father's name is Forrest. Cindy is his mother. Cliff is Forrest's brother. (Correcting my earlier post.)

Brittany Petch, FB, is the girl pictured in a Wheller family photo. There's not any pictures of Nichol on Cindy’s FB. Yes the picture of Petch was 4-years-old but the fact it's still posted, and Nichol's picture isn't really stands out. She had to know that there was zero chance of a happily ever after. It was just a matter of how long before it ended and she had to move out.

Therefore other posters comments that Nichol suicided because she was asked to move out does not make any sense. It would not have been too startling if BF had wanted to end it because she knew his influential family did not like her at all. Absolutely no photos of her on the Wheeler family site? SMH.

Many of Nichol's friends say in fact that it was she who wanted to end it.

Kindly use the new thread when this one ends.

Yeah, the statement that there aren't any cameras in the house came from one of Charlie's relatives.

596- you usually can't see all FB pictures unless you're a friend. She might have some or she may not. Look, I'm sure they weren't thrilled with their son's choice of GF, that doesn't mean they hated her. Charlie seems like a man who does what he wants. If he was really as big of a dick as people are claiming, he would have kicked her and her kids out that night instead of leaving himself. I personally don't think he gave her a deadline to move out. Most decent people wouldn't demand someone with children move out the next day or even in a week. I think the relationship was unhealthy and heading for a break-up and she couldn't handle it. She would lose an upscale lifestyle that she got used to or maybe she was just fed up with all the fighting. I doubt it was one thing that set her off, but culmination of things that were wrong in her life.

Based on their backgrounds, they were a very mismatched couple. They probably rushed into living together when they were still in the passionate beginning stage. I don't for a minute believe anything her friends say. Nichol was never going to be the one to end the relationship.

[quote] (brain faster than fingers...)

I think you mean "fingers faster than brain".