A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77)

Previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

The Buzzfeed story is so interesting. Buzzfeed says it stands by it but the Mueller team in a RARE statement says it isn’t true.

Thank you for the new thread!

Nope, R4. Mueller's people do NOT say it's not true. They say that details of the reporting are inaccurate.

NBC is saying it could mean that President Shithole didn't explicitly tell Cohen to lie to Congress, i.e. they might have had an unspoken "understanding" that Cohen would do so.

I've used "inaccurate" to mean incomplete.

Nineteen days (give or take) until Feb. 7.

Can we keep discussing the poor Belarusian gal?

One of the last posts in the last thread mentioned her lawyer fell out of a window?

R9, that’s horrible. I don’t understand wtf is wrong with Thailand - they also just turned over a young Muslim woman (and legal adult) to her family for an honor killing.

Sorry my bad, R9 - it was a reporter investigating her case, and he was murdered in April.

Still, a staggering number of people falling out of windows over there.

Thanks for clarifying, R11. I was hoping you'd show up on this thread and elaborate.

R11, that wasn’t the really popular Russian newscaster who did the feature on the oligarchs, was it? The one who regularly speaks out against Putin?

So - this whole thing about the Cheeto’s whore just blithely flying off to Florida for a break while all this is happening -

I guess there’s just too much else going on for this to get much traction - but it is extraordinary!

Can you imagine ANY other First Lady leaving the Whitehouse to go on a government funded joyride somewhere warm and sunny while the government is shutdown and the admin is in siege/crisis mode? I mean - the optics are terrible! And can you imagine how the rethugs would have been baying for blood if Michelle had done this?

But this is the woman who wore the I don’t care coat - and so nothing should surprise us! But still - it’s surreal!

The video at R9's link is appalling. Russia truly is a shithole country.

I worry about the people on Mueller's team, I worry about Pelosi and Schiff and Nadler, I even worry about Justice Ginsberg since they started going after her. Can you believe that? They have been attacking her for the past few weeks...

R15 - it sure is! But what does it say that this shithole country owns the current administration? They’re getting everything they want - sanctions being lifted - NATO under threat - and thanks to the utter chaos - they’re getting their collective feet in the door in the Middle East and various European counties again...

They’re a shithole - but looks like they’re calling the shots now. And so what are we gonna do about it?

At this point we are turning into the same shithole country as Russia is. Putin has us all by the balls...thanks to the hateful foolish Deplorables.

R14, I tell ya, that whore is going to make Eva Peron look like Pippi Longstocking when all is said and done.

R17 they have been in the Middle East. Since at least the Mid 70's. They have never got over Jimmy Carter running them out of Afghanistan. They have been allied with Iran and Syria for years. Go back and study the Cold War. They've been the invisible hand behind most of the unrest in the Middle East for decades.:80's, 90's, 00's, 10's, up to now. Thanks to Trump they have been emboldened. Taking over in Syria, and do you think the boat loads of refugees from the Mediterranean are some accident of nature? The refugees from Africa and the Middle East that have created a crisis and energized the Extreme Right in Europe? Rubber rafts filled with refugees floating up to the shore on the beaches in Greece? Hungary Germany France all of them flooded with refugees? And now we suddenly have caravans? The fusion of the interests of the Extreme Right, Russia and the Evangelicals, etc is just like something out of Tom Clancy.

You need to also believe the Pee Pee Girls were put in a situation to never be able to talk afterwards, particularly after the Steele Dozier got released. They were young prostitutes looking for a bag of rubbles or some dollars to earn a living. They unwittingly had no idea they would be famously unknown and in great danger.

^Dossier

As expected, in a string of DJT praises.

Too bad Buzzfeed went for the leak and the scoop, instead of letting the Mueller investigation alone.

R21, they’re probably lying under rubble now. And I’m not referring to the currency.

r601 from the last thread can just right fuck off. This had been done several dozen times before and it works, so your johnny-come-lately dilettantism is not welcome.

I am really disappointed that the FBI didn't at least talk to the Belarus girl.

I mean, she asked for asylum and, shit, I would have sponsored her. Poor thing. Does anyone know why we didn't Grant her asylum?

IIRC, she asked during the Obama administration.

The FBI supposedly tried twice to talk to her, but were unsuccessful.

Someone should have gotten to her and removed her from where she was and brought her to safety. We could have done it easily through 3rd parties.

Couldn’t she have gotten a direct flight to Belarus? Why did she try to go through Russia?

R25 Oops, Ruble. Predictive spelling. Thx.

It was a plane change in Moscow, iirc, r30.

Just an excuse to get to her.

She asked for asylum during the Trump administration.

And then 42 Senate Repblicans plus no-show for voting, Bernie Sanders, voted to lift sanctions on Deriposka and his aluminum company. Poor girl.

She’s already dead.

heart breaking. Then our Senate votes to give the Oligarchs money, but withhold paychecks from 800,000 Federal Workers,

Well, shit, r33.

Poor girl never had a chance.

psychic says she's dead but was only tortured a little because the oligarch that had her killed loved her. BUT and if this true, it is what is going to start the ball rolling to get rid of Putin

I'm in agreement with R24. Why give Trump an advance warning? So much for the leak-proof Mueller team.

I hope BuzzFeed wasn't played.

Obama would have gotten her to the US.

Bernie wasn't the only one to miss the Russian Giveaway vote.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-Integrity) also couldn't make it.

Rachel pointed out that the Senator was absent because she was announcing her run for the Presidency on Colbert.

[quote] So much for the leak-proof Mueller team.

Not sure you can blame Mueller for this. Word is that the leak can from NY: either the NYC field office of the FBI or someone on the prosecution team at the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York -- where Rudy used to be U.S. Attorney.

I have to wonder if this was the NY FBI office trying to cover for their traitor. Again.

"Not accurate" could apply to several different factors. It could range from one minor detail or technicality, to the fundamental premise of the story.

All that is really known by the public, is that Mueller's office disputes something in the BuzzFeed article but declined to present an explanation. The motive for that is left to speculation. If they said more, they would have been locking themselves into a particular narrative that could inflame the story in the media and inform the defense, and hamper an aspect that is a critical factor in their view of the case. Nevertheless, they want disclosures from getting pre-maturely released.

R42, of course you’re right, but I would surmise the poster you’re responding to knows this as well. His strategy?? “Bust on Mueller, dude!” It’s a joke. They suck, try won’t win, but they obviously will have to figure that out the hard way.

We also have to consider that this didn’t come directly from RM.

It could have been ordered by whoever now overseas the department. It could have come from the top. Was it signed by RM? Even if it was, it could have been ordered.

The SCO is airtight. This came from another legitimate LEO.

I still find it curious that it took the WH some five hours to non-deny the report, and Mueller's office almost 24 hours to speak to its "inaccuracies".

You know what would be brilliant right NOW? If Mueller indicted Trump. Right after Giuliani and Trump kissed Bobby Three Sticks ass saying he’s totally credible and should be believed (over Buzzfeed). Half of life is timing.

great title.

I just wish Mueller would finish already, so Congress can decide if they are going to impeach this bastard or not.

I know it would ultimately kill us all, but who else hasn't secretly wished we'd just bomb Russia to the stone age?

I feel that way more about North Korea, though.

In addition to Russia and North Korea, I’d like to include our red states.

[quote]psychic says she's dead but was only tortured a little because the oligarch that had her killed loved her. BUT and if this true, it is what is going to start the ball rolling to get rid of Putin

Got a source for this, R38?

A bullet through Putin's head wouldn't go amiss either R52.

Colbert taunts Karen Pence.

It's so hard to keep this stuff secret its a miracle more hasn't come out in the past two years. The media has been doing an outstanding job but Mueller has erected a wall of silence and I'm glad of it. This case is not being tried in the media.

Anyone read Frank Bruni? The gist is the Trump never wanted to be President. But, if that is so, why did he pay off Stormy and Karen right before the election? At some point he wanted to win. And, does anyone really believe that Trump didn't instruct Cohen to lie about the Trump Tower Moscow project?

I don't for a moment believe Trump never wanted to be POTUS and never wanted to win. I don't know how the narrative started and why it's persisting but the democrats and liberal inclined need to stop buying into this 'excuse'.

The fucker was chomping at the POTUS bid for decades until he saw the GOP had sufficiently deplorabilized their electorate so that someone like him will be carried through by Magats and the Ruskies.

Ah R59, my Little BernieBro-cum-Putin-apologist. Here you are again pushing the “Trump never wanted to win angle”. No one bought it yesterday either.

My apologies R59 — just realized you’re not at all the same guy as yesterday.

[quote]The fucker was chomping at the POTUS bid ...

[pedancy]The expression is “champing” at the “bit”[/pedancy)

[Quote] I don't for a moment believe Trump never wanted to be POTUS and never wanted to win. I don't know how the narrative started and why it's persisting

That narrative is fostered HERE in this thread series OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

Pundits and politicians tend to believe Trump didn't intend to win, the rank and file tend to believe otherwise. (Yes, I'm generalizing.)

You got your talking points down today, R65. You and Chuck Todd.

Janet Huckabee attacking Pelosi, telling her to grow up. Good grief!

Now let"s get this right:. Janet Huckabee, mother of Sarah, wife of Mike, and ardent Trump supporter, is telling a 78 year old woman doing her second stint as Speaker of the House, and who has spent decades in Congress, to "grow up"?

[Quote] "I don't know if it happened or if it didn't happen … I have no knowledge if he spoke to him,” Rudy Giuliani says about whether Trump and Michael Cohen discussed Cohen's congressional testimony. Then Giuliani adds, "So what if he talked to him about it?" Via CNN

Update on Nastya Rybka:

If Giuliani is now trying to “normalize” obstruction of justice (“so what if he . . .”), you know Trump’s Guilty beyond even the palest shadow of a doubt.

Can we get more updates on stuff? I don't always get a chance to watch various programs or listen to NPR, and one of the things I love about our Treasons Threads is that with all of us contributing we can generally get a good overview of WTF is happening . Ghouliani was on MTP but I can't stomach him or Todd so I missed it. I also missed Joy Reid the past two days because I was "otherwise occupied" with long awaited visit from a male friend. Yes. It was great, thanks for asking! And of course the twitter feeds and the online news outlets. I've gotten some great referrals here, discovered websites I ordinarily wouldn't know about.

Tomorrow’s a holiday.

Sounds like you’ll be sitting today

Can get caught up in less than an hour

One-half hour ago, we reached the midpoint of the Trump presidency. (Barring any fortuitous circumstances that cause him to leave office early.)

I like to think we are 75% of the way through it.

I would do whatever I could to keep that silly woman Gillibrand from being nominated...she is as stupid as Trump.

Giuliani was on with Jake Tapper. He does the same tactics that Kellyanne Conway does:. filibusters to minimize questions and get out all the talking points. The difference is Giuliani will go off-script and doesn't have Kellyanne's sordid, but skilled, deflection techniques. Through his clumsy, deceptive denials, Giuliani is actually admitting and confirming Trump lies. It is perplexing to understand how Giuliani is doing Trump favors. and it looks like Trump's team is trying to get out-front of investigative information to soon be disclosed, in order to diminish the media impact. Such could have the opposite effect if it confirms more lies.

Yes, Rudy has been moving the goalpost all week. Just this morning, he told Jake Tapper that Trump may have had discussions with Cohen before Cohen's testimony to Congress -- "and if he did, so what?

He also told Chuck Todd that Trump Tower Moscow talks may have lasted as far at October or November 2016 -- longer than even Cohen admitted to in his plea deal with Mueller.

R75 agree. Giliibrand's has not offered anything beyond the same old pandering verbosity (women, migrants, etc.). She may be popular in NY, but on the primary trail, substance is expected She doesn't show it.

Jake Tapper to Gillibrand this morning: “If Trump’s immigration positions are racist, were they racist when you held some of those positions as well?”

Gillibrand: “They certainly weren't empathetic. And they were not kind. And I did not think about suffering in other people’s lives.”

[quote]Janet Huckabee, mother of Sarah, wife of Mike, and ardent Trump supporter,

and I'm still not convinced she was born a woman

With any luck, we're past 90 percent of the Trump Administration.

[quote]The expression is “champing” at the “bit

"bid' (as in presidential bid) was used intentionally instead of 'bit', that much is clear

Is this the end game for Pres Bone Spurs? To send out his demons to now say crimes aren't crimes?

I do not think he wanted to be President at first. I think his aim was to build his profile, get a base of support and start his own propaganda channel. He would be outrageous enough to "lose" yet he would say he was too outspoken to be a politician. I think even Putin thought this. The goal was to get a channel more hard line than Faux. He could sow dissent with this channel where, presumably, anything would go. Breitbart on steroids. Somewhere along the line, they realized his rhetoric was actually working and the Russians found a way to help him win with the help of Wikileaks.

"of course you’re right, but I would surmise the poster you’re responding to knows this as well. His strategy?? “Bust on Mueller, dude!” It’s a joke."

I'm that poster, R45 and you read me 100% wrong. A leak from the NYC office didn't occur to me, and I frankly find that scenario very concerning. Something smells about this whole BuzzFeed controversy and given that the NY FBI office is a right-wing viper's nest, I wouldn't be surprised if BuzzFeed just got played.

If Buzzfeed were played, then Mueller would have issued a flat out denial....but nice try.

Wrong thread, sorry.

I agree.

But the denial could be read as wide or narrow. It was drafted very craftily.

[quote]To send out his demons to now say crimes aren't crimes?

Flying monkey more like it.

R86 may be in the wrong thread, but I love it anyway. Those smug little douchebags are terrifying. What they were doing is EXACTLY the same as the Nazi Youth following the Jews through the streets on their way to temple in the '30s, laughing and singing anti-Jewish songs. All they've done is swapped out swastikas for MAGA hats.

r90 Yes, that was disturbing and what Pres Bone Spurs has unleashed is going to have long lasting, damaging consequences. I would love to hear from the people who say both sides are the same. And there are plenty of those still around.

repugs have been exposed. An entire political party is corrupt and selling out our values to the highest bidder. I've never been more proud to be a Democrat and liberal.

Trump would not have run for President if he didn't intend to win. Everything he did and allowed Russia to do on his behalf makes that crystal clear. A Trump win meant ending of sanctions for Putin, and Trump Tower Moscow for Trump. It's that simple and that criminal.

But even if Putin WEREN'T pulling strings in the background to ensure that Trump beat Hillary - does anyone really believe that the massive ego of Donald Trump would have allowed him to run against Hillary if he didn't full expect to win?

R92 1000% agreed! Trump sent his minions out to recruit Russian help in order to win! The continuation negotiation over Trump Tower Moscow only makes sense if it is what Trump wants as the quid pro quo for ending sanctions on Russia once he was elected. (The other narrative about the Tower being a consolation prize for running and losing makes zero sense. Putin ain't no fool.) Trump's only trepidation on election day would be whether the Russian collusion worked out in his favor or not, so he could realize this biggest "deal" (scam) of his lifetime.

This is my observation of Trumps run for prez. And I am well aware it makes no sense, but he is nuts. I don't he wanted to win the presidency, I just think he didn't want to lose.

Who cares. Ann Coulter has made a comple fool of him. Deplorables are applauding her and not him.

He comes of as a coward loser. The thrill is gone.

Muller can take his time because the deplorables are collapsing in on themselves.

R94 You're right.. That makes no sense. Just follow the money, it is where the truth about Trump lies. Of course, he could survive losing and make money off of it by becoming the figurehead of "right-wing resistance". But winning could make him richer than losing in his greedy one-track lizard brain, which never could comprehend how difficult changing the course of national policies would be.

Trump traveled and campaigned more places. He had a vigorous campaign schedule. That did not look as if he was being laissaze-faire about it. The media was obsessed with him, even though much of it was negative. All the cable news channels covered his rallies, and it was advertisers, not him, that paid for it. The media wanted the drama to continue. He fought at the GOP convention to kill the "anybody but Trump" effort. He was brutal in getting Ted Cruz (and Kasich) out of the race during the late primaries. Sheldon Adelson, Koch Bros., Mercers, etc. gave him plenty of money for campaigning. He sure didn't discourage the Russians at any point. Jason Chaffetz, James Comey, Trey Gowdy, and others, went out of their way to take actions that benefited Trump. Sure, Trump was trying hard to win.

Why are posters like the Fake Former Congressional Intern trying to push this narrative of widdle ol' Trump not wanting to win the Presidency nor expecting to? Who is giving them their talking points on that front?

What is the point of that angle? To get us thinking that Trump is a doddering fool like Reagan, but not evil like Cheney?

It is a definite thing they are working hard to sell OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

R98 it is a conventional train of thought by a lot of the punditry. See Frank Bruni's article today in the Sunday Times. I don't buy it myself either. I was the one who asked why he would pay off those trollops if he didn't want to win??

Who cares if he wanted to win or not.

Exactly, R100.

R100 it matters because he uses it as an excuse for his ignorance, corruption and criminal behavior...and also for his Moscow project.

[quote]it matters because he uses it as an excuse for his ignorance, corruption and criminal behavior...and also for his Moscow project.

He does? When did he once say he didn't want to win?

If you read this, it spells out what the trolls are doing. To a T.

It talks about how they want posts on sites that inflame both sides. The trolls are instructed to post racial divides, culture wars etc... like all the racial threads etc. It’s EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO ON HERE.

As a Reddit user put it: “spreading divisive stories like these as hard as possible, and putting the most inflammatory and instigating headlines, for both sides of the political aisle”

Just a note about something someone speculated about upthread: there’s a difference between the SDNY US attorney’s office in NYC, and the FBI NY field office. The FBI field office is what is known as Trumplandia— they leaked, they have a line to Rudy (October surprise 2016), and they hated Hillary. But they are completely different from the SDNY, which is where BuzzFeed News’ info probably came from.

So I don’t think it was a set-up. BuzzFeed News editor in Chief agrees.

So, I fell down the internet today. Did you know Bob Dole turns 96 this summer? He never was a president and he's not in Congress anymore, but do we think he might get the McCain/George H.W. treatment when he croaks?

Doubt it.

If you drive past his exit on the interstate, the lanes open up to 6 lanes in the middle of nowhere and then goes back to 2.

He got his own interstate lol.

I can't wait to hear the next set of demands from President Coulter!

LOL She needs to be sworn in so she can complete her duties.

Coulter is laughing and taking it all to the bank. There are new book deals, higher speaking and consulting fees, etc.

[quote]I can't wait to hear the next set of demands from President Coulter!

Make America Cunty Again!

Her appearance on Bill Maher’s show Friday night should be very interesting.

[quote]Sheldon Adelson, Koch Bros., Mercers, etc. gave him plenty of money for campaigning.

Not Koch.

Thanks for the clarification r105.

The Kochs have several PACs their organization helps fund that are not direct to candidates. Much is direct.

God, I hate them all so much.

Trump didn't just "want" to win; Trump realized he NEEDED to win, as the one sure way to re-pay his and his family's GIGANTIC financial debt to Putin and his oligarch-bankers-mobsters.

To this end---Trump's installation as POTUS to enrich further Team Putin; to offer Russia an unimpeded annexation of Crimea and Ukraine; to remove all sanctions against the Russian oligarchs; to foment international Right-Wing movements; to weaken NATO; to cause civil strife and economic chaos in the rival US; to have a national propaganda voice in the US (FOX); etc.,---

to raise RUSSIA to the staus of #1 World Power.....

Putin began grooming the gullible, excessively greedy, and sociopathic Trump decades ago.

Putin learned that he could control Trump by offering the dreams of a branded international commercial empire and the realities of beautiful women.

Putin learned that he could control our election via hacking and bribery, and with his minions/sympathizers in place (Manafort, Pence, Cohen, McConnell, Page, Papadopoulous, Stone,...).

And so it came to pass. Now Trump must deliver, or else. IOW, Trump saw, and yet sees, the US Presidency as his LITERAL lifeline.

That is why, in the very end-game of the Mueller Investigation into Team Trump's collusion with Russia, Trump seeks frantically "the wall"---that would be built with RUSSIAN-OLIGARCH-OWNED steel!

"status of...."

I don't suppose Trump could get the Jimmy Hoffa fate.

R113 Meaning they will funnel money to him another way.

Yeah but tRump recently said "I didn't expect to win of course I would continue with my business." Paraphrasing. He said it. I'm too lazy to look it up.

R122 And you take Trump's words as truthful! LOL He's the biggest liar masquerading as a leader this country has to deal with! Only his collusion and money trail will tell the truth of his plans and objectives.

"I'm too lazy to look it up."

Okay then!

R124 Maybe he made it up! Which in Trumplandia means alternative facts!

Miz Lindz was making her foreign visits. Poor thang, she does have that glow and renewed exhuberance; but word is she's sore as hell in the posterior. That must be the reason she took that wheelchair ride up to the gov't plane.

Calm down now. I don't fucking believe him, of course I don't but the fucking press brings it up and he uses it as an excuse. Jeesh. That was my point.

No one is up in arms so no one has to calm down. The point is, you said he keeps saying he expected not to win and that he uses it as an excuse. I personally haven't heard him say that so I would like to see where he actually said it.

The claim that Trump didn't expect to win is definitely used as a defense of his behavior - that yeah, he's venal and unethical, but you can't really call him CRIMINAL because his goal wasn't to become president but to build Trump Tower Moscow. And that's bullshit because he had to become president to achieve that goal. It is important that no soft pedaling be done.

Just a PSA. I'm noticing in one of the other threads where the trolls are out in full force - looking at their histories it's clear that the tactic that was talked about in one of the other threads is true -- the trolls are building up "normal" posts to get people to think they're not trolls and then slowly dropping subtle posts that give Dotard and Deplorables and Putin the "benefit of the doubt."

I think it's possible he didn't *expect* to win, but that doesn't mean he didn't *try* to win. He and his team knew/thought it was an uphill battle and they may not have been convinced that even with all the Russia help and corruption and GOP trickery that they were able to breach Clinton's expected firewall. And they almost didn't.

I still think the real goal, not just of Trump, the GOP and Russia, but also of the press, was to kneecap Clinton's presidency before it even began. The same press that skewed their coverage so badly in Trump's favor still mostly endorsed Clinton (although really they didn't have a choice if they wanted to still call themselves serious journalists). The plan was to have her so bogged down by "scandals" and "investigations" that she'd get nothing done. The press was primed and ready to go with the failed first female presidency narrative. Remember, they did this to Bill Clinton too, declared him a failure pretty much off the bat.

Thats why when asked if he would concede if he didnt win, he refused to say he would....and that if he didnt win then the election was rigged. HE KNEW.

Not expecting to win isn't the same as not wanting to win. There is a difference and that difference is important.

Exactly my point R133.

Trump KNEW he was going to win. He had Putin's guarantee. He wanted to win. He expected to win. He had NO DOUBT he was going to win.

R134, I know, I was agreeing with you.

As well, r135, McConnell knew it.

Hence, Merrick Garland.

And I don't care what anybody says, I still think actual votes were changed. The way that blue wall of states fell like dominoes for Trump? Please.

He expected to win and planned his candidacy with his Russian oligarch friends for at least 8 years before 2016. He would not have gone in if he wasn't guaranteed a win. And he talked about running for President, entertained the idea of running for President going back to the 80's when he discussed his opinions and a possible candidacy on TV talk shows. Maybe there was a time when he thought he could run as a lark and not expect to win, but that ended by the 2000's. As he laundered their money and got loans from their "banks" they probably flattered and called and primed him and he was more than willing to go with it. People seem to operate under an illusion that Putin "has something" on Trump that makes Trump do or say things. But while I agree the Russians have a lot of dirt on him, I doubt seriously that he was forced or threatened or coerced. I think he sees himself as one of them and embraces his role wholeheartedly. He is making deals right and left, getting licensing agreements with foreign governments, etc and has embraced their agenda very willingly,even enthusiastically.

Holding up Merrick Garland was minimal risk for McConnell. First of all, the press NEVER holds the GOP to account for stunts like that. Only Dems are expected to act like grownups and get punished for not living up to ever-changing expectations. Second, if Clinton won, she'd likely have renominated him or someone similar, so no real harm done.

I think Trump and McConnell and other major players had assurances that Russia was all in on the effort. And the GO of course went full-on with voter suppression. That's not the same as a guaranteed win though. The NY FBI's office threatening Comey to release that letter fake-reopening the investigation was a Hail Mary pass to try and throw the election to Trump at the last minute. Per 538's analysis, it actually resulted in a significant enough shift in the polls.

In the weeks before the election and even in the weeks after, Trump was not behaving like someone who knew for sure he would win. His transition team was pure chaos--at not just because he's an idiot surrounded by idiots. Even the experienced players were unprepared.

^ Sorry, meant to add I don't mean to mitigate Trump's corruption. He's hands down the dirtiest, shadiest president we've ever had. And we've had presidents who were slaveowners and genocidal maniacs. But Trump was getting something out of selling out to Russia either way--if he won, great, he's got the White House and can grift like never before. But if he lost he'd be getting some sweet business deals for himself and his crime family, plus the networks/connections he's obtained as the GOP candidate to grift better than he'd ever grifted before. Win-win.

Trump had to win in order to lift sanctions....thats the only way he could complete the Moscow deal and do business in Russia. It was a given.

R142, Or, see r118.

R142 But these "clueless" posters will always insist 1 + 1 = 0 not 2. LOL

Regardless, he's in and ideally, he's going to be out.

Oh honey

r98 Listen little bitch. You have a reading comprehension problem. I never said he didn't want to win the entire time. I said IN THE BEGINNING I don't think he wanted to win but instead, build an audience for his insanity and run a network (with the help of Bannon) that would have given him a voice nonstop AND wealth. That is entirely plausible. I think at some point, and I don't know when, he was all in. So fuck off with your "fake former Congressional Intern" bullshit. You are a division troll. You hate I have inside info. My posts go way back in these threads so fuck the hell off.

Did she mean "service?"

I have not posted the “expecting vs wanting” topic in this thread though I have in others. I disagree that thinking Trump has multiple motivations in running in ANY way reduces his criminal liability for what he did, I don’t think it has *any* impact on what the courts must do to him, nor does it make him sympathetic on any level — which is why I previously discussed it. I don’t think it weakens the case against him at all! Also, I did not (and still do not) see how this could possibly impact the charges brought against him nor his sentencing nor civil penalties. It’s illogical to say that if someone had doubts about a plan working, or if they started an event for one reason and midway it changes to something different, that they are no longer accountable — for example, if Chris Watts had second thoughts that he could kill Sha’nnananana, he still did murder her, so the crime isn’t changed nor do I feel sympathy for Chris because she was a horrific wife who pushed him to the edge. That’s how I view this. Trump needs to be punished and die in prison.

Having tried to explain myself (and I think half of us on this topic are not trolls, though there must be some trolls too I suppose), I sincerely apologize if any of my posts made other DLers think I was trying to stir the pot, and the only thing I can do to make it right is refrain from posting on this topic again as it is too divisive. Let’s all just move on from it and not spend more time on it for the sake of unity. Again, my apologies and I offer my willingness to no longer post on that specific topic, that is all I can do.

And there is no way the Congressional Intern poster is fake. That person has been here a loooooooong time and has been consistent and accurate IMHO.

r149 Thank you! My posts are very consistent about Pres Bone Spurs. His motivations, in the beginning, do not in any way absolve him of any wrong-doing. I do think he was surprised he won even though he was assured he would by Putin.

And it is obvious McConnell was in on it as well. He held Garland up precisely because he knew who would win. It was an INSANE move at the time. The media, and all sides, should have called him out on it and NEVER allowed it to happen. Yet, it is hardly ever mentioned today. It was a disgusting act and showed there is NO limit to how far the GOP will go for power and to keep power.

R130, the idea that we'll ever be swayed by ANY argument that Trump or Putin deserve a more sympathetic hearing because they deserve the benefit of the doubt is phenomenally risible. Fuck those world destroyers.

Im sure Congressional Intern is real however nothing he has ever told us has been "news." Everything that has ever been repeated has been stuff we've talked about here prior to his talking to his friend who never confirms any of it - but just smiles or smirks knowingly.

r152 That is not true. You obviously don't remember some of my summer posts. And I never claim earth shattering news. Ever. But many times her smirks and smiles ARE confirmation. Especially about La Senatrice.

Okay, R153 then remind us which posts gave us news that we hadn't already discussed.

Yeah, R153. I'm open to being reminded. Like I said, I didn't doubt what you said re: your friend, however, I don't recall you ever telling us anything we hadn't already gossiped about.

r154 I'm not your errand boy. I don't care if you believe me or not. Fuck off. My history speaks for itself. You're being divisive.

r155 Gossiped about is one thing, my friend confirmed the La Senatrice shit. And I need to be careful because, although this is anon, I can be traced and I don't want La Senatrice going after me. It WILL come out.

Again, R156, what I said was accurate. We have been talking about what they possibly have on Graham, specifically that there's a video of him being banged by men of color, for a long time, long before you spoke to your friend. And like I said, I didn't doubt that you are, "real." I clearly said none of what you've said was new, that I recalled. And you yourself said numerous times that she doesn't "confirm," but rather smiled or smirked, which is what I said in my post.

You never said your friend confirmed the stuff on Lindsay, did you? You said she smirked about it and you took that as confirmation.

Oh, look who is saying both sides are at fault for the shut down.

r157 and r158 She ended up confirming, after she left for a new job, that it isn't exactly men of color so much as it is just sex and damning. More embarrassing. Think what happens at the end of every porn. That doesn't look good on a Senator's face especially from multiple (and young) loads.

Which one of you is known as kooky legs?

R160 Still, at his fucking age, what does he care anymore? Retire already and go out fabulous!

Ahh, the Huckabees...sons were convicted of animal cruelty... used to hang dogs and cats from tree limbs, and shoot/strangle them at the Governor's mansion in Little Rock.

And,Mrs. Huckabee dare criticize Nancy Pelosi?! The fuck.

Imagine what those boys did to their sister, R163. Nevermind, she obviously enjoyed it.

Maybe she joined them R164 although I think her sins are of a more banal nature i.e. lying

Vertical stripes are so slimming,

[quote]I don't want La Senatrice going after me.

You and most of the upstate.

Gabbard is, like Stein and Sanders, a Putin plant.

Van Jones appeared most fond of Gabbard on his show,

She got a lot of airtime there.

Has the La Senàtrice returned yet from her foreign tour? Did she tell them about the adorable Kavanebriated?

I love Congressional Intern poster. He gives me hope and I look forward to his updates. Hell, if he is still in DC I'll gladly drive the 90 miles and blow him to show my appreciation.

The dog, the bench, the vertical stripes---sorry, Huckabees at r93; your obesity cannot be disguised.

I had to explain to my dad what a "frau" is. The moment I said Sarah Huckabee Sanders, it clicked with him.

[quote]Gabbard is, like Stein and Sanders, a Putin plant.

And she has really, really bad skin.

My guess is Kamala Harris is going to blow her out of the water. But it’s s good thing for multiple women to run. By the time Election Day rolls around, people won’t think much about the nominee being a woman, if It is one. And the next election, they'll think of it even less.

I like Harris alot. A also have a feeling that Klobuchar may be a dark horse as well.

Columbia, SC:. Kamala Harris in Columbia today, drawing a decent crowd of mostly older African-Americans.

Bernie Sanders is in Columbia, surrounded by a group of younger Bernbros; but he is also headed to speak at Benedict College, a HBC.

Bernie received 23% of the SC Democratic primary vote in 2016. He's now presenting a narrative that he was an early civil rights leader. Wasn't he unemployed then?

Bernie an early civil rights leader? LOLOL! He's still living in the 60's. He would do better to describe himself as a civil rights activist, or as an ally. Next he'll insist he was an early leader in the Women's Movement. Or the Gay Rights Movement. Good Ol' Bernie. He's like horseshit in a barn...all over the place...

One more thing re Bernie. I was reading a book about the 1968 Presidential campaign. I'm a political historian. And Hubert Horatio Humphrey was running against Nixon, and Hubert was a passionate, bombastic fellow and he got very carried away during a speech at a synagogue and he said "I was a Jew once myself..." Today that would have gone viral....

Congressional Intern, we all adore you. I suspect the posters who are fucking harassing you are either trolls or they’re just highly stupid. I mean, what else can any of us offer except our own experiences and opinions? They’re mad that you don’t have coffee with Melania and that you aren’t giving Ivanka the What-What? GTFOH. If they continue, I will just block them, it’s fucking juvenile and they are tipping their hand.

On a different note, the last few Mondays have been Insane in the Membrane. It’s only 10:30cst.

Let’s just kick it off with this little nugget while my coffee brews.....

And another juice story.

Mitch McConnell was more of a civil rights activist than Bernie Sanders, I’m sorry to say.

Congressional Intern, get up! We love you!

And the third good article from this morning. I don’t see how Rethugs think they’re going to sweep Mueller under the rug lololol...yes Congressional Intern, Your peeps beckon, let’s get moving!!! We know you’re there!

We all need to stick together when one of our own is ganged up on. I have personally defended many other posters in the last year, the trolls smell blood in the water and ALWAYS do a group attack, it’s never alone. So stick together, we need each other to keep these threads accurate, informative, and timely. They’ve done it to me too, numerous times, I’ve had to come out swinging, and it’s fucking annoying. Just keep reminding them they are derailing, FUCK them.

"Trump's Justice Dept. has chosen to criminally prosecute volunteers who leave water for migrants on protected land rather than banning them from the area or admonishing them. Four were convicted this week; they face a fine or up to six months in prison."

Oh, please, nobody attacked Congressional Intern. Nothing that was said was untrue and I for one clearly said I believed he said who he was.

The only trolls here are the ones with no history trying to say there was an attack on him.

Give me a break.

Trump claims Tom Brady is a bud. Brady has been ignoring and avoiding Trump, including not showing when the Patriots were last hosted at the WH following a Super Bowl win.

R186, I read that story some place else. I think it’s GOLD. It’s making martyrs out of our side, so it’s good good good.

R187, if you’re going to parse words, I never said you “attacked” I said “harass.” You are harassing that poster. What the fuck do you care how many goodies he can share/bring to the table? Fuck off!!! You’re being a cunt for no reason. What could your intentions possibly be??? All you’re doing is derailing and causing unnecessary drama.

If you think my post was "harassing" him, then you've got problems.

"Fox & Friends" accidentally shows graphic saying Ruth Bader Ginsburg is dead

[quote]Fuck off!!! You’re being a cunt for no reason. What could your intentions possibly be??? All you’re doing is derailing and causing unnecessary drama.

If you want to talk about derailing and causing unnecessary drama, please consider the tone of your own posts.

No, actually it’s *you*. Repeatedly “grading” the quality of his posts is a form of harassment.

OP, I’ve been here just as long as you. If you think it’s smart to open the gates to posters perpetually harassing long-time posters here, then you’ll be next. My “tone” is spot on.

I would also suggest people refrain from calling one another trolls just because somebody disagrees or says anything that you don't agree with. At least check a person's history before you do so and see if you can get a sense if the person is consistently trying to provoke or cause issues.

"Repeatedly?"

No.

And it's not harassment.

I agree with that r194, though I will also freely admit that sometimes I’m too merrily posting away to take the time to do that. But you are absolutely correct.

Stop derailing the thread.....or at least do it creatively.

[quote]OP, I’ve been here just as long as you. If you think it’s smart to open the gates to posters perpetually harassing long-time posters here, then you’ll be next. My “tone” is spot on.

I've checked both your histories - the person you're arguing with is also a long time poster.

If you think your tone isn't in line with what you're preaching? Then there's nothing else to say.

[quote]“Our cruel and unrelenting Enemy leaves us no choice but a brave resistance, or the most abject submission; this is all we can expect - We have therefore to resolve to conquer or die: Our own Country's Honor, all call upon us for a vigorous and manly exertion, and if we now shamefully fail, we shall become infamous to the whole world. Let us therefore rely upon the goodness of the Cause..."

Oh give me a fucking break r195. Whether you did it once or not, there was a group of you tag teaming that poster. So spare me your innocent act.

R198, that’s GREAT if they are a long time poster and not a troll. But I have yet to hear you or that poster explain their intentions.

I don't really think anyone needs to claim their intentions about what they post just because someone disagrees with it. Sorry, I don't. And I do feel that by continuing on with the accusations that people are harassing others by disagreeing (even if true or not), is pointless and actually derailing the thread more than the posts that offended you.

Come on guys! If someone calls you a troll, does it really matter? It reflects more on them than you, and if anyone is motivated to block you based on someone else's assessment instead of their own judgement, then they are really too dumb to be here participating in anything resembling the Trump Treason threads.

As for harassing the Intern or anyone else, it's too bad bullying happens anywhere. I hate it. But if you're posting on DL, you are automatically going to be exposed to people who will question your veracity, or criticize you or just act like pigs from time to time. Get over it.

Toughen up and realize you are valued by a lot more people than the loud but minority voices of a few assholes. Now. Can we please get back to the important discussions, analyses and theories we love to posit?

Can we move on please?

OP, then we can agree to disagree. You don’t want to discuss what could *possibly* be the intention of a small group giving a long-timer a hard time? That’s fine. I do think it’s ridiculous that you can’t admit that it isn’t helpful to what we do here. At the worst, that group included some trolls trying to divide us. At best, these posters just decided CI is fake and/or not good enough, so they decided to all say it at the same time, which will only result in less people sharing. It’s always been like that on DL, the more legit posters are harassed, the less willing they are to share. Reading the older gossip threads is a testament to that, that’s exactly why Hollywood insiders stopped coming here — but you think it’s smart to do nothing. Just know that the same will be done to you, and you are encouraging it. I disagree that passively sitting back is a good strategy — to each their own.

R202, I know you are right, but we’ve had many excellent posters chased off this site. That’s actually the only reason I sometimes speak up — i selfishly don’t want to lose them!! But I will let this go now, there will be a lot to discuss today I’m sure.

Yes r203, no more from me in this.

AP - FACT CHECK: Trump's murky claims on weather, shutdown

[quote]OP, then we can agree to disagree. You don’t want to discuss what could *possibly* be the intention of a small group giving a long-timer a hard time? That’s fine. I do think it’s ridiculous that you can’t admit that it isn’t helpful to what we do here. At the worst, that group included some trolls trying to divide us. At best, these posters just decided CI is fake and/or not good enough, so they decided to all say it at the same time, which will only result in less people sharing. It’s always been like that on DL, the more legit posters are harassed, the less willing they are to share. Reading the older gossip threads is a testament to that, that’s exactly why Hollywood insiders stopped coming here — but you think it’s smart to do nothing. Just know that the same will be done to you, and you are encouraging it. I disagree that passively sitting back is a good strategy — to each their own.

No, I don't think every person should have to justify what they say just because someone disagrees with it. I think that in itself divides the group and derails the thread. I looked back at what occurred in those posts and I personally don't view it the way you've summarized it. I don't think people "tag teamed," or "ganged up." I see one person called Congressional Intern a fake. The next person said Congressional Intern was real, however didn't feel that any news was "new." That actually seemed in defense of CI. Congressional Intern replied and said he had previously provided new information. The subsequent post asked what those were. The next one said yes, they'd be open to hearing about it, etc. Those exchanges, aside from the one calling CI a fake, seemed more like a discussion rather than harassment and everyone in those few exchanges seemed to have worked it out.

It is the others that chimed in after that has derailed the thread and there wasn't a need for it.

Trump has officially passed the 8,100 lies mark. Duhplorables are planning a party!

Can the morons fighting over who meant to say what about Congressional intern and which one of them is a troll just shut the fuck up!

If they wait for just a few weeks they can celebrate 10,000 lies!!!

Soon he will proclaim.himself the most honest Commander in Chief in history!

I saw on Twitter news feed that McTurtle will go "nuclear" to get Trump's nominees through. He'll just need a majority not the usual 60 Senators to vote for them.

Whoever is our Dem Presidential candidate in 2020, I would like them to make the following talking point: Both Trump and McTurtle are traitors to the country. Trump is a Russian agent and McTurtle is working against the Constitution and the laws of the land.

I think his daily tweet volume will get us to 10k quite quickly.

If I could go back to R105 for a moment:

[quote] Just a note about something someone speculated about upthread: there’s a difference between the SDNY US attorney’s office in NYC, and the FBI NY field office. The FBI field office is what is known as Trumplandia— they leaked, they have a line to Rudy (October surprise 2016), and they hated Hillary. But they are completely different from the SDNY, which is where BuzzFeed News’ info probably came from.

In my original speculation, I was very careful to include both the NYC Field Office of the FBI and the "prosecution team" from the SDNY because we don't know exactly where the leak arises. I agree that it likely is the SDNY, but it could be someone from the FBI or another law enforcement agency that is working on the cases on the prosecution team.

R214 I agree with you. We all know it is the NY FBI office that is filled with Trumpers. It makes sense that the SDNY could be the leak.

I actually saw a comment on FB where someone believed Mueller issued the correction because he's finally ready to admit he has nothing on Dear Leader and is now going to arrest Hillary for causing all these problems because she faked the Steele Dossier.

Anyone else find the link at r191 disturbing, that Fox&Friends announced Ginsburg’s death today? It feels like a veiled threat, Where and how could they make that kind of mistake? Was it on Russian state TV first? They are disgusting.

R216, let the lunatics rant. We all know Mueller had to do it to maintain credibility. They’re too stupid to understand how one protects their own credibility and integrity.

McTurtle going nuclear will not change the dynamics to end the shutdown. The House is controlled now by Democrats.

^if he tried such with the shutdown.

Sidebar, (I’m r204) I finally ignored the OP just to confirm his identity and in my Ignore area, it doesn’t even show all of OP’s posts. This is another reason I don’t always bother to verify if someone is an actual troll or not — this feature sucks. Wish we could go back to piss yellow Trolldar, that never failed and it was much easier to use and it would ease our paranoia and suspicions.

R218, I really feel that Dems are missing an opportunity to squeeze McConnel right now. We should all be lighting up Schumer’s phone lines. I am the opposite of an AOC fan, but thought it was fucking fabulous that she was dragging McConnell. McConnell’s ass needs to be in the fire now, now, now. Who in the Dems should do it? I’ll call them today!!! They could really damage McConnell with this, WTF are they waiting for????

[quote] I actually saw a comment on FB where someone believed Mueller issued the correction because he's finally ready to admit he has nothing on Dear Leader and is now going to arrest Hillary for causing all these problems because she faked the Steele Dossier.

What a bunch of loons those people are. He "hasn't found anything." Sure, Jan. How many people have pled guilty or been convicted? How many times has tRump changed his story? We now have Rudy admitting that there may have been collusion on the campaign but that the Dotard didn't collude. Yeah, right.

The only thing about the Steele Dossier that hasn't been proven accurate yet is the pee-pee tape.

And what’s unbelievable r221, is that when Mueller *does* issue a report, they’ll be onto the next excuse. They are WEAK-MINDED.

Mueller can't get the pee-pee tapes unless Putin releases them.

Per r118, imo Trump wanted to win to avoid prison.

He’s protected in the WH. He nominated Kavanasty & betrayed Sessions.

All so he could get away with a shit ton of crimes.

The family separation thing will be recorded in American history as an atrocity. Trump is a human trafficker.

Not happy with McConnell in Louisville.

Any of you follow Amy McGrath when she ran and lost in Kentucky’s 6th district? I absolutely loved her after I heard her on Pod Save America. She is the real deal. I sent her campaign money, and would absolutely do so again if she took on McConnell. I actually think she has the right stuff to win. In the fall she didn’t receive enough coverage early enough to build momentum. She absolutely could beat the turtle, and I hope she runs again. The people of Kentucky have been so demoralized that they’re actually more willing to listen to a Dem now.

r217 I'm worried about her. One of the Russians tweeted out last week that she needs to go. then this. almost like they are challenging Trump's idiots to take her out.

Yes, r227, I’m familiar with all that too and I agree with you, they are trying to trigger a lunatic in their ranks to act out. I would imagine that every person sitting on SCOTUS has a security detail, but I am worried for her too. The one good thing about getting old is that I don’t think you fear death as much.

OP aren’t you the OP of the last few threads?

R225, we need more if that. Are the Dems running ads in KY right now?

[quote] I would imagine that every person sitting on SCOTUS has a security detail

They do. Court security is provided by the Marshal of the U.S Supreme Court and the Supreme Court Police. They obviously are in close coordination with the FBI, Secret Service, and other law enforcement agencies.

R229. Thanks for the acknowledgement. While I am familiar with Louisville, I am not a Kentucky resident. If I hear about Democratic positioning for 2020 in Kentucky, I will post about it.

Good God, it just continues on and on.

R232, are you OK? Would you like some tea? Maybe a short nap?

How did the Steele Dossier know about the golden shower tapes? Did the author actually SEE the pee pee? Or was it all heresay. Frankly, those possible tapes are the least of America’s problem. The Senate confirming right wing judges is terrifying to me.

OP I still want to blow you!

R234, no, the tape was not seen, Christopher Steele was simply repeating the gossip his Russian contacts told him. Remember, the purpose of the Dossier isn’t to prove anything, it is simply raw intelligence. That’s it. The veracity of what was said to Steele would be (and is) a separate investigation.

R235

The pee-pee tapes are -- at this point -- largely irrelevant. For a while after this story broke the existence of the tape or tapes was the most salacious aspect to the whole sordid affair, and for that reason the aspect that got the most attention. Plus they continue to be good for a laugh. But, as time has gone on, more details from other aspects of the Dossier have been filled in that show exactly how much of traitor tRump is.

R189

There is no reason to not believe in the Pee Pee tapes and it's stupid that so many people try to discredit the whole report based on them despite everything else having been confirmed.

The pee-pee tapes are, to steal a term from Hitchcock, our real-world MacGuffin

r163 Apparently those protestant evangelical/fundamentalist sects don't go much for fasting.....

R239

If anyone wants a good overview of what tactics the trolls are using go over to the MAGA trash thread. Apparently they got their orders to focus on that last night.

R243

Did I miss Mitch commenting on the boys from his good state being victims of that ruckus in DC?

The Washington Post is not totally accurate on this. Graham can be a Trump supporter without being a disgusting sycophant about it, and constantly doing Trump's bidding. Why all the narratives to squelch the speculation? Something weird is going on with the flurry of dismissiveness started by the right-wing media and Russian media outlets in the U S..

Side note: Why do the Washington Post links never preview on DL?

She's delecting to investifate Obama and Clinton (for the upteenth time)..

What's with her and Carter Page anyway?

So it's only a witch hunt when they're being looked into... with merit. Got it.

R245

investigate

deflecting (also)

dang - predictive spelling

I hate McConnell and was curious about him. Some stats I found: McConnell won his current seat in 2014 by 222,089 votes (806,787 to 584,698) over a Democratic challenger. He's been in the Senate since 1984 (35 years). His senatorial annual salary is $193,400. His net worth was listed as $26,927,535 in 2015. Much of his wealth comes from his rich wife, who also draws a salary as head of the Department of Transportation, but their wealth grows by McConnell's consistent votes for tax cuts and other benefits for the uber rich.

Apparently, even his Kentuckian constituents don'e like him. But, yeah, Republicans. Loathsome creatures.

R244, not sure what you’re referring to re: the MAGA trash thread... not that I’m in a hurry to peruse the thread anyway.

Nothing in the Steele Dossier has been proven untrue. Many things have been proven true. Some things have been neither proven true or false. That is where the Russian whores urinating on a bed Obama slept in. Give it time.

R255, I believe it refers to the incident in DC, the native war veteran etc.

Laurence Tribe Twitter

Dump made a surprise, astonishingly brief visit to the MLK Memorial proving yet again he's but a two minute brother.

He was probably there thinking about how it'll be more tremendous when he can put his face on the monument.

pee-pee tapes may be more important than you think. maybe. I read a while back that they may be of underage girls and a whip or two may have been involved. I would think that if they weren't that important even Russia would have leaked them by now.

[quote]What a bunch of loons those people are. He "hasn't found anything." Sure, Jan. How many people have pled guilty or been convicted? How many times has tRump changed his story? We now have Rudy admitting that there may have been collusion on the campaign but that the Dotard didn't collude. Yeah, right. The only thing about the Steele Dossier that hasn't been proven accurate yet is the pee-pee tape.

I argue with those stupid people all the time in the Facebook comment sections of WaPo, NYT, The Hill, Politico, and so on. They’ll say, “yeah but nothing to do with Russian collusion which is what Mueller is SUPPOSED to be looking into, and none of it to do with Trump!”

They honestly think Trump personally should have been already charged with “collusion” by now.

Good god, Giuliani can't get his lies straight. I'm ready for him just to turn into a sputtering, incoherent mess.

Ken Starr didn't start out looking for a stained blue dress.

CNN on Rudy's interview with Tapper.

Hahahaaa, OMG.

That’s very funny, R267. It’s best understood if you scroll down and click on the .gif to see the changes that they made to the original photo.

Yes, I should have just linked to this, because it's the funniest one:

There is nothing he won't lie about.

Former Congressional Intern here- Wow. So first, thank you to the poster(s) who were defending me. It did feel like I was being attacked and it happened at a time of night the trolls have been descending here lately. Whoever offered a BJ, well, thank you too. I would gladly accept if I am ever in DC again. :) I'm early 30's and in good shape! I've been attacked like this before so it is why I got a tad defensive. Sorry about that.

I try to bring gossip that is highly likely to be true. My source (friend) could not, for obvious reason, state it is for a fact. We had signals. I've always said it was nothing earth shattering. And my updates are not frequent. I wish I could bring more. I will have more soon as she is in a new job where she is more free to share explicitly. She has promised some really good gossip. She knows some sensitive stuff and she knows I post here so she doesn't want anything to happen like I "fall" out a window. LOL. J/k

Anyway, we have to be vigilant about trolls here and that will, inevitably, lead to some of the true blue posters being called trolls. We need to be hyper aware of troll tactics and support each other. They are working over time to divide us.

R267 Mark Zuckerberg must be helping Trump out, again.

r272 Of course he is!

The “Former Congressional Intern” is also the Takin’ It To Streets poster.

[quote]Whoever offered a BJ, well, thank you too. I would gladly accept if I am ever in DC again. :) I'm early 30's and in good shape!

I'm 39 and give a hell of a rim job, too.

Has anyone offered to present hole?

R274, what’s the Takin’ It To The Streets poster all about?

The Senatrice is always first to present!

Ari Melber helps my blood pressure and my afib.

^why, yes

R260 So many things wrong with this. One dreamed of a world of equality while the other is bringing an ignorant racist world back in force.

r274 Is a PERFECT example of a blatant liar. Dig through my posts and prove I'm the "takin it to the streets" poster. Why do you want to discredit me so badly? Hmmmmmmm

r275 well, I may need to look into booking a trip soon.............

I forgot about the taking it to the streets troll. Thanks for the reminder.

What IS the TITTS troll, I don’t recall? I like my “tits” acronym for that troll.

The TITTS troll was the troll that was in here that kept trying to get people to take it to the streets. Protest, etc. etc. etc. However, the way the posts were written didn't seem innocent. It seemed more like someone who was trying to get people to incite violence. I just remember he would always screech that everyone was basically useless and not fighting unless they took it to the streets - meanwhile he certainly wasn't taking anything to the streets - he was just busy posting about it on DL.

Ann Coulter and Mike Huckabee taking jabs at each.

About the Former Congressional Intern—I'm in the DMV and find him credible.

To posters not from the area, you should know that it's incredibly common for the flotsam of gossip to drift from, let's say, congressional office to happy hour to brunch table. There's no explicit agreement to keep things to yourself, only an implicit agreement that what you are discussing is part of the hive mind. You put some in; you take some out. Rinse and repeat. I think posting on this board is an interpretation of the implicit agreement but not necessarily bad form. I don't post anything said in the confidence of my social life, but I'm often glad others do.

Thank you r285.

Ivanka getting everything she wants! Nothing stopping her now. The utter gall of this...

Former Congressional Intern is fine.

Shoo the Sénatrice deflectors.

What the hell is she trademarking ?....seriously.....shes recieved dozens of trademarks from China in the past 2 years....for what exactly ?

FCI- no on has be believe me. But I do find it odd I get sudden barrages of posts, usually at a certain time, which challenge my credibility. We are all anon so I'm sure plenty don't believe me. I will get scoop soon, though.

[quote] R274 Is a PERFECT example of a blatant liar. Dig through my posts and prove I'm the "takin it to the streets" poster. Why do you want to discredit me so badly? Hmmmmmmm [R275] well, I may need to look into booking a trip soon.............

Um.. so if R274 caught you and exposed you as the Titts troll, where's the "blatant liar" part come in? Looks like the truth to us.

Does it matter? Can't you be both a former congressional intern and someone who advocates direct action all the time? In what way is that discrediting to you?

I haven't read the three hundred posts in this thread so there may be a lot of dl bitching I missed here but I still can't see that it makes much of a difference unless you're playing some games here.

r293 He didn't catch me in anything because it was not true. But I see what you are doing. Everyone, feel free to dig deep into my posts. Go ahead.

The trolls that come along at certain time of night don't normally speak to a particular person or address anyone at all. They normally just spout incoherently or post things that are divisive and then never even respond to the people calling them out.

People can disagree and/or think or have opinions about somebody and then someone else can chime in agreeing without them being a troll. Otherwise people can also say when a bunch of people defend someone else that it's suspicious and troll like.

And to clarify, I was someone who asked the Intern what information he provided that we didn't talk about AFTER he insisted he had and I was curious as to what it was. That was no way an attack. My engagement with him was to get more info because I was genuinely confused. I never once said he wasn't real or that he was full of it, with regard to the information he had shared but it apparently seemed like an attack to him.

At any rate, the whole Former Intern thing has now gone on and continued to derail the thread moreso than the original posts.

(THREAD) BREAKING: Singer Emin Agalarov, son of Putin property developer—and Trump ex-business partner—Aras Agalarov, has cancelled a US tour to avoid questions from Congress/Mueller. Here are ten questions he's avoiding. I hope you'll read on and retweet.

R294, I'm not doing anything. I'm openly asking what would be the big fucking deal if someone who was "a congressional intern" at one time was now an online advocate for direct action?

If you say it's not you, okay then. I haven't looked through your old posts, I have no idea.

The Emin story broke a while ago. I think it was on Ari's show.

R297 the big deal would be that the Take it to the Streets Poll wasn't really an advocate for anything. He was someone trying to cause trouble. I don't blame him for not wanting to be labeled as that troll.

Shut the fuck up with the Congressional intern shit. You're all ruining the thread. Assholes.

Ah. I see. Thank you for a rational, sensible answer, r299. I vaguely recall reading some interesting stuff from a "former congressional intern" but don't remember the titts troll at all. I'm not here every day.

R300, fuck off and die in a grease fire. We have thousands and thousands and thousands of posts in these Mueller threads. They have gone on meandering journeys many times. They always come back so just pull your big boy panties on and chill the fuck out.

and yet more deflection

The absolute, most jaw-dropping thing in the r267 article is the photoshopping of his finger length.

And imagine if that were your job.

I’m starting to think another 9/11, but on a bigger scale will happen.

Between the shut down, racial tensions and the deep divide of MAGA deplorables against normal people - it won’t take much to throw our entire country in major chaos.

r304 Putin has a plan

ugh I feel so bad for that Belarusian girl who's now fucked for the rest of her life in prison. Who knows if she has a lot of info. She gave some of it to Putin's chief political rival Navalny but she has a lot more and won't say anything now

I wish the FBI had done something beforehand

OMG, Rachel is giving me chills right now reporting on that poor girl. I thought Trump's complicity in breaking up families was bad... Now this young woman is going to be tortured and killed to keep his secrets.

This man will stop at nothing. When will we stop him??

42 Republican Senators voted to lift sanctions on Deriposka. I hope they have repercussions for that. In this climate and circustances, I am surprised Democrats and the media did not make a much bigger fuss about this.

^circumstances

For some reason Democrats are unable to do anything about anything he does. Laws he breaks, we stand by, maybe we are all waiting for the ineffectual Mueller to do something? He ain't doing nothing, while our country is led into the abyss by Deplorables.

r310 Mueller has been pretty damn effectual. He is building an iron clad case. LET HIM DO HIS JOB!

We could have helped that girl but of course, our fussy bunch ignored her. If you think Mueller will ever ask for charges against Trump...you are being naive. First last and always, Mueller is a Republican. Reasonable Americans are going to be left stranded and Deplorables will win the day. Wake up guys, we have no hero.

r312 You guys are right on time from you shift change in Moscow.

r163 First time I see a pic of the Huckabees. Their kids are even more repulsive looking than Dump's children.

When I look back on what Martin Lither King went through when he was alive...I have to think, maybe our country is even worse now? To think that our country has not made any progress at all is heartbreaking. Our schools have not educated our kids about racism and how it destroys us. Our teachers have not even educated our children about our own indigenous people and how our government mistreated and robbed them. Any progress we could have made in education has been stopped by lowlifes like Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter.

I know that Putin has Trump under his thump, to the ruination of our country. It is sad and sick just as your inability to read and understand. I am trying to tell you that Mueller will do nothing...just as he wanted no jail time for the traitor Flynn. Mueller will protect our lying bastard of a president, ask Buzzfeed.

In the dictionary...for the word Deplorable they have a picture of the Huckabee/Sanders families.

Numbingly train wreck voyerastical. The gene pool.

The worst thing is not their looks. It's their crazy religious ideologies. It's a curse for this country to have imported so many religious nuts from Europe.

Mike Huckabee was on Larry King Live and he responded to Larry's question about animal cruelty charges against his son by defending his son's minor age at the time and said his son went on to receive his Eagle Scout award. It is well documented that children who commit acts of cruelty against animals show a propensity to commit violence against people as adults. The link above explains how Mike Huckabee's son was involved in the hanging of an emaciated stray dog at a boy scout camp.

Ma brought lunch.

I am still not convinced Huckabee-mère is free of Y chromosomes.

R310 Democrats are launching investigations into a lot of Trump and his administration's misdeeds. They could not do anything for 2 years because IDIOTS in this country did not vote for them to control Congress. Hell, they only control the House now (which is great but should have been Senate too).

The corporate media doesn't help because they allow the spin that "both sides are playing" and "both sides need to get serious about the shutdown" when HE FUCKING SAID HE WILL DO IT AND PROUDLY! Yet 30 odd percent think the Dems are to blame. WHAT? They didn't even control ANY part of the govt when it was shutdown and the repugs had TWO YEARS of total control to do it and didn't.

It's time the corporate media go in for the kill. Enough is enough. No more KAC or Ghouliani or any of his enablers.

So if 42 Senators voted to lift the sanctions they didn't pass, right? Because it either takes a simple majority, or it takes 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate. And btw: WTF are the senators doing? They all ought to be striking and refusing to do any work until McConnell allows a vote to reopen the government. The same legislation that passed by 90 votes in December, and which the House just passed two weeks ago? They have enough votes to override a Presidential veto. WTF are they afraid of. I'd vote to reopen the government and I'd also vote to expel McConnell and send his ass back to Kentucky.

r325 That does NOT get talked about enough.

r325.....they needed 60 votes to keep sanctions in place....they only had 57.....42 voted to lift....and 1 wasnt there (bonus: guesswho)

I’m terrified of The Handmaid’s Tale happening. As far fetched as it would have seemed in 2014 feels like a possibility in 2019. As a gender traitor I would be put on the wall in one of the first purges I’m sure

Tonight I saw Michael Isakoff on Chris Hayes, and he really pissed me off. He had this accusatory tone and said that it’s time for the Dems to actually “DO THEIR JOBS” like they haven’t done their jobs with regards to the shutdown. He ALSO was bitching that *all* of the Congressional hearings held in the last two years for matters relating to Russia weren’t held in Open Sessions — he blamed the Dem for this!!!!! WTF?!?!? If you watch CH, watch that segment and tell me if I’m overreacting, maybe I am. But I think I’m going to contact him, it is SUCH fucking bullshit, whose side is he on?!? If he’s trying to spur action, he could do that without blaming Dems. My tolerance for bullshit has never been lower.

I will say this. The Democrats need to get out here and make their case. We know what Trump wants and we know he is effectively labeling the Democrats as favoring open borders. So the Democrats are playing defense and allowing him and the GOP to define them and the field of play. The Democrats need to make their case and clearly say what they want to do. Say it in soundbites people will understand. The Democrats are definitely in favor of border security, but it's 2019 and a wall is too expensive and it would be obsolete before it's ever started. There are ways to secure our borders with less costly technology. The other thing I don't hear often enough is that Trump had a majority in both houses for two years. Why now?

I saw Isakoff the other day on some show and I really just wanted to slap his face off.

R329 What this show you is that a big part of the media itself has been compromised. No journalists with integrity would be spewing Trump talking points like that. He is knowingly misleading the viewers. And as R330 says, the Republican Congress couldn't approve the funds for the stupid wall over two years, so this whole argument that the Dems are the obstacle and the recent "offer" are false political propaganda to make Trump look like the reasonable party. This has nothing really to do with a wall, but Trump is using the government standoff to get the media to constantly bombard people with insecurity about the border while he claims he is the one who can bring security.

[quote]He ALSO was bitching that *all* of the Congressional hearings held in the last two years for matters relating to Russia weren’t held in Open Sessions — he blamed the Dem for this!!!!! WTF?!?!?

R329 is misleading at best. Isikoff did NOT blame the Dems for the last two years of hearings.

He said they must be in open sessions -- as of NOW.

He made a lot of sense. His premise was that the SC's regulation doesn't say he must produce a public report. Mueller's report is submitted to the AG and from there, guess what happens to it while Trump / GOP is in office. That's why Isikoff is adamant that Congress must do its own investigations without waiting for the SC to issue a report that may not be made public -- and that Congress isn't obliged to seek anyone's permission, specifically, the Special Counsel's, in order to investigate and hold hearings, like it didn't wait for Archibald Cox's permission to do so during Watergate. On the contrary, Congress has its own duty to uphold on that front, and which it didn't do in the last two years under the Rethugs.

That's also why he insists on open hearings in Congress from Elijah Cummings and Adam Schiff. He didn't like Schiff's talk about hearings behind closed doors.

It's one opinion, and it has its merits.

Again, he never accused the Dems for the last two years of congressional hearings.

If Trump Media refuses to be honest about anything...they are just as guilty as Trump and Mitch. They know the majority of Americans did not ask for a wall and does not want one. Why don't the Dems look for the kickback, going to Trump? Trump is always the same, he is trying to make a buck off suckers. Wise up folks.

I believe Trump is already in campaign mode trying to woo back the independent voters he and the GOP lost during the midterms, and he has help from compromised people in the media to skew stories against the Dems and even the media itself to make Trump look like a leader rather than a loser. Remember Obama let McConnell put him in a strangle hold for the last couple of years of his last term and Trump is not going to let Pelosi corner him like that and he is not above corrupting the media to get the upper hand.

R333 Isikoff absolutely stated with anger that the last two years there were no open sessions. He then follows that up with ranting about the Dems “doing their job” with an anger than implied they had not been doing their job. I did not think he had a supportive tone toward the Dems at ALL, sorry.

R334

[quote]. He then follows that up with ranting about the Dems “doing their job” with an anger than implied they had not been doing their job.

Nope, it didn't imply anything like that about the last two years at all.

He stated that Dems -- as the House majority NOW -- better start holding open hearings as of NOW. And I agree with him. Who here will guarantee that Mueller will deliver on -- and will be allowed to publicize -- Trump's crimes, as we expect from him?

Oh for the love of Mike!

Because Trump is such a lousy deal maker over the government shutdown, the teevee just ran some clips of Trump fetishizing deal making. It makes the whole process feel really perverted.

R338 Obviously we interpret it differently. He was checking off the Dems who need to “do their job” by name, but I don’t believe he dropped a single Rethug name. And of course I agree with the majority of what he said too — I want open hearings and transparency as well. I simply would have appreciated him giving a single sentence about Mitch McConnell not “doing his job” too. I own his book, so I am familiar with him, again, you and I interpreted what he said a little differently.

And here is most of Isikoff's commentary tonight where he says -- surprise surprise - nothing of the sort R329 / R336 accuse him of.

Let us not forget the vultures are circling Trump and so much of his grandstanding about the wall and the government shitdown is merely Distraction from Mueller. Trump is DESPERATE to keep the American electorate and the long arm of Justice from where it should be- around his throat.

[quote] In this climate and circustances, I am surprised Democrats and the media did not make a much bigger fuss about this.

If a tree falls in the forest and the media fails to report it, did it make a sound? The problem is that the media does not cover the Democrats. The Progressive Caucus holds daily briefings and not one has ever been covered by the media. That might be one thing Ocasio-Cortez will be good for getting attention for the Progressive Caucus. They talk about the actual things Democrats in this country care about and what they are doing to reach those goals.

Also, the "both sides" shit has got to end. Yeah, there are always two sides...truth and fucking lies. They need to start calling out the Repugs for all their fucking lies.

r341? You didn’t even play the actual section we’ve been discussing. My opinion is the same as before, I think he was harder on the Dems, yet softer on the Rethugs than we need. I own his book by the way, I’m a fan of his, so if I want to bitch about his tone toward the Dems, guess what? I’m going to.

I'm hoping that trump will be long gone by then, but if Kamala Harris wins the nomination she'll shred that fool in debates.

R344, let's try to comprehend what Isikoff talks about starting at 0:47, shall we ?

OMG, Ghouliani is literally insane!

- But I can tell you, from the moment I read the story, I knew the story was false.

- Because?

- Because I have been through all the tapes, I have been through all the texts, I have been through all the e-mails, and I knew none existed. And then, basically, when the special counsel said that, just in case there are any others I might not know about, they probably went through others and found the same thing.

- Wait, what tapes have you gone through?

- I shouldn’t have said tapes. They alleged there were texts and e-mails that corroborated that Cohen was saying the President told him to lie. There were no texts, there were no e-mails, and the President never told him to lie.

- So, there were no tapes you listened to, though?

- No tapes. Well, I have listened to tapes, but none of them concern this.

.....

- Saying things for Trump, not always being truthful about it—do you ever worry that this will be your legacy? Does that ever worry you in any way?

- Absolutely. I am afraid it will be on my gravestone. “Rudy Giuliani: He lied for Trump.” Somehow, I don’t think that will be it. But, if it is, so what do I care? I’ll be dead. I figure I can explain it to St. Peter. He will be on my side, because I am, so far . . . I don’t think, as a lawyer, I ever said anything that’s untruthful. I have a sense of ethics that is as high as anybody you can imagine. I’ve been doing this forever. I am doing what I believe in. I may not always be right, but I am doing what I believe. And I believe this man has been treated horribly. Including this BuzzFeed thing. And I think the whole reason they are misinterpreting what I said and a few other things is that they don’t want to deal with the real ramifications of the BuzzFeed story, which is, how bad has our media become, that they can publish something like that about the President of the United States that is totally untrue and leads to one day of saying he should be impeached, by Democrats and Hollywood. And even the special counsel, who I think would like to nail them if they can, had to say, ‘You are way off base and getting hysterical.’ Somebody lied to BuzzFeed who pretended to be a federal agent, or BuzzFeed is lying. That’s the big story of the last few days, not some revelation about when Trump talked to Cohen.

R347 And even the special counsel, who I think would like to nail them if they can, had to say, ‘You are way off base and getting hysterical.’

Yeah , they said nothing of the sort, Nice try Rudy.

The House needs to get moving on these investigations.

Speaking of House probes...

One thing I think many of us keen observers of the last two years have wanted is to see people like Nuñez, Gym Jordan, and the rest of the Trump asslickers in the GOP House be investigated for all the shenanigans they pulled during their sham investigation. Looks like Democrats might be doing just that now that they have the power.

[quote]Democratic Senator Sheldon Whitehouse alleged that Republicans in the House of Representatives could have worked to obstruct justice in the ongoing probe by special counsel Robert Mueller into whether or not President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign colluded with Russia

A bit more at the link.

The House is apparently gearing up 55 separate investigations into Trump corruption and/or Russia as we speak.

55? Really?

R352 Pelosi is about to strike back. Bitch slap his big potato head!

[quote]55? Really?

Yep! Russia, emoluments, Deutsche Bank, money laundering, foreign interference, you name it. Buckle up, kids.

Don't you love how there are some people out there already going, "Why aren't the Democrats doing anything?!" Just wait. It's only been a couple of weeks and Trump threw a rather big spanner in the works...shutting down the entire fucking government. Didn't work, fucker!

I want all hearing open to the public, though. All of them. That would make such an amazing election contrast to the Repug's hiding everything plus it's the right thing to do since they work for us. Put all those Repug assholes under oath and in the spotlight and watch them burn.

Nunes, r351, not Nuñez. He's Portuguese, not Hispanic.

The right won't care when they find out Lindsey Graham. He doesn't want to know his butt plug is black.

R358 It sure would be fun to see their reactions nevertheless especially if there are photos or videos!

I anticipate with glee every misfortune that will befall these nasty GOP traitors!

r358. Which shape?

What is horrifying to me: Nunes was re-elected.

tRudy, which WH pussies stink the most?

I've said it before, but I want testimonies, I want resignations and I want suicides.

I want suicides, too, R364. I want Russian style suicides. Poor Jared! Oh look! he fell! And Donnie, Jr. ! Who knew the help would mistake crushed glass for ice.

Dumb motherfucker. Another fucking Ralph Nader.

Nunes and Duncan Hunter were both reelected by their idiot districts in California, but they're going down.

I thought Pelosi had the right to not seat Hunter since he is charged with a felony? How does that work? Because if Trump ischarged with a felony can he still be PResident until he is convicted?

I know, r306 & r307.

We got to do something to save Anastasia.

Too bad potus is owned by Putin.

Fuck

Gillibrand is dead to me for missing the sanctions vote.

Do we see Gillibrand going the distance?

Sure, r371 - if the distance is six feet under.

R367 Republican Chris Collins was indicted, and still got re-elected in the 27th district of NY.

Too much of the electorate is so damn stupid. Liberal or Conservative, Republican or Democrat, electing tax evaders, bribe takers, embezzlers, or any other kind of thief, should not be acceptable.

Yes, people win elections while under indictment. But they don't get seated.

r374....you need to talk to Hunter and Collins then....

Kirsten Gillibrand missing the Deripaska sanctions vote so she can announce her candidacy on Stephen Colbert is disgusting. Do your damn job first!

Bernie Sanders has opposed all sanctions on Russia. He avoided voting. He's Independent. Stop giving that Putty patsy a free pass.

The 11 Republicans that jumped the McConnell-Trump-Putin ship are more credible than those two.

Did anyone else see that the House will be investigating Kav for lying?

So. Eleven Republicans and 43 Democrats = 54. We need to find 6 more Republicans so McConnell can't use the 60 vote vs. 51 vote thing. And if we can get to 67 votes we have McConnell's expelled from the Senate and we have Trump convicted of Treason. Yaaay!!! Schumer is helping to peel away those Republicans and I admit I had very little confidence in him, but he is starting to impress me.

I think republican PAC money contols the votes. If a republican goes against the vote they won't have the money to win the next election.

John Roberts is reporting that the House sergeant-at-arms has been delivered a letter from the White House asking to schedule a walk-through for next week's anticipated State Of the Union address.

Last week, the sergeant-at-arms canceled a planned walk-through at the request of Nancy Pelosi.

(It's on Fox, so I'm not linking.)

When you said John Roberts I thought of Justice Roberts. OMG.

R379, McConnell and Ryan have at least five or six big donor Super Pacs between them and that's how they keep their people in line. They buy them. And the Rich guys prefer going to one stop shopping, although they do still give to individual candidates. Senate Majority Leader and House Speaker also have perks to give out to their caucus. They can make a member's life miserable and difficult if they want to. They can deny privileges and requests.

WHO were the 11 Republicans? I want to know who wasn’t compromised.

The Republican senators who voted with Democrats were John Boozman of Arkansas; Susan Collins of Maine; Tom Cotton of Arkansas; Steve Daines of Montana; Cory Gardner of Colorado; Josh Hawley of Missouri; John Kennedy of Louisiana; Martha McSally of Arizona; Jerry Moran of Kansas; Marco Rubio of Florida; and Ben Sasse of Nebraska.

Junior Mint has a beard now and is all over Fox. So if one grows a beard, does that mean new identity, no indictment?

Looks and sounds desperate. Calls Adam Schiff a leaker, bashes Buzzfeed, Democrats and the media are destroying democracy, comments on MAGA teen viral video, etc.

The Junior Clown Prince speaketh....

Does Guilfoyle find that beard scratchy?

The Chinless Wonder needs that cover.

He's had recent implants!

New Public Policy Polling find that no matter what Dem you test against Trump, he is stuck at 41-42%.

Biden 53 Trump 41

Sanders 51 Trump 41

Harris 48 Trump 41

O'Rourke 47 Trump 41

Warren 48 Trump 42

Booker 47 Trump 42

Gillibrand 47 Trump 42

That's still a little too high for my liking.

Polls mean nothing. We take care of that!

The question will be, how many of the Independents will swing toward the Democrats? HRC had most of them go against her late. And add any two doesn't equalv100% in the poll. And campaigns have flips. Agree with R388, 40-41% is not so comforting. If Trump was polling in the mid-30s, that would be more assuring that he can't get re-elected.

He has the beard so that when he goes to prison, they'll think he's a top

The idea of Donald Jr. and Jared being the most popular bottoms in prison delights me to no end.

R382, some of these GOPers will be running for reelection in blue or purple states in 2020, that's the main reason for their vote. Don't be fooled.

Just to be clear Gillibrand missed the bringing sanctions to the floor vote that only needed 50 votes and passed easily. She did NOT miss the actual sanctions bill vote.

I am assuming that the people posting about her missing the vote are conflating the two different votes and not actual trolls, but I think we all need to be careful about posting untrue or derogatory information about potential Democratic candidates. The trolls are most effective when the get non-trolls to repeat their talking points and poison the well of public opinion.

Personally I am team Harris/Biden or Harris/O”rourke or Klobucher/O’Rourke , but it would be my honor to vote for Gillibrand for President should she get the nomination.

Sorry for the typos!

40% (give a point or two either way depending on the poll),. approve of Trump's job performance. That could diminish by a few percentage points among those that are not so diehard.

There's going to be a third of the electorate (33%-35%) that will not abandon Trump regardless of what happens, I. e. indictments, Mueller report, shutdown, sex scandals, fawning to Putin, outsmarted by Kim Jong Un, Wall antics, economy dip, etc. Trying to change their minds is wasted energy. Rupert Murdoch's media cleverly manipulates their views.

Donald Trump's motives are perfectly clear: he wants to outdo his father. He is a man who has never in his life known love, which he is passing down to his own children. He tried to get his father's approval, but was rebuffed, resulting in his getting sent to military school. As with most absentee parents, his dad thought he could buy off his kid's approval by giving him money. However, Don only wanted approval, but dad saw his son was a failure, so he never gave it. Now, he demonstrates every day that he is following in his father's footsteps. When have you seen him with Barron? Doesn't a dad spend time with his son, take him to games, etc? But this recluse only golfs solo. He is so obsessed by approval ratings , because they are his way of thinking people like him - hence the staged rallies. He never wanted to run for pres, but it's something his father never did. So, he took his illegal business practices to the White House, thinking he could get away with it. He tried to please Putin, but has failed at that too. Now he has the wall and the shutdown. The wall is the single tangible structure that will cap off his feeling of power. Trump Tower, Trump blah, blah,blah. It's all to build the empire his dad never had. He will never capitulate on the wall, because it represents everything he is not - a person who has known and given love and who genuinely cares about others ( how can he, he doesn't know how). He's to be pitied ; pitied, not excused, for his entire life is a futile attempt to prove to himself that he is worthy and accepted. He will never succeed.

Most of the “not diehard” people already left. You have to be pretty damn diehard to think that shutting down the country is just peachy.

What concerns me is that a lot of “Independents” are really Republicans. Look at recent figures for “Independents.” It’s more than either Democrats and Republicans in many cases, a huge number of people. Some lean right and some left, but the left-leaning are extremists that don’t really support the party or its goals, and the right-leaning are often moderates that don’t support one person, Trump. They are okay with all the rest of it.

Doesn’t mean the right-leaning won’t “come home” to the party on Election Day and vote straight party line. A lot of those so-called Independents are the same people that said they “just had to” vote for Trump because they just couldn’t vote for that awful, horrible Hillary with all her policies and plans. They said they plugged their noses and voted for Trump, said that his pussy grabbing and cheating on Melania was disgusting, but voted for him anyway. They got what they voted for, and to quote Casablanca, they are “shocked, simply shocked” that Trump is exactly what it says on the tin.

Doesn’t mean they won’t vote for him again on single issues, like, “no taxes,” or “the babieeez.” They do agree about those.

The only way Trump drops under 40% is if Fox and Rush turn on him. I believe it is more likely we might see Fox people change their tune with the exception of Hannity and Pirro.

Someone needs to light a fire under Fox. I want those fuckers to feel some pressure, too.

R394 I was one that posted on the topic recently, and when the vote actually happened. Both/or thrice times I provided links to credible sources, i. e. WP, NYT, maybe Politico.

You are correct though, there was a procedural vote; and the vote to try to deny lifting the sanctions. As you pointed out, Guillibrand missed the procedural vote, Sanders missed the second.

In my posts, I assumed most knew the distinctions. Both votes were important as the first vote is somewhat a predictor and an initial measure of sentiments. Some of the articles addressed the initial vote. However, your clarification point is very appropriate. Posters vary in the scope of information they hold in terms of sharing opinions, often quite inflexible and emotional..

I did not see 'sanctions vote' posters as trolls and would not imply they were. That does not mean there are not the Putty/ St. Petersburg trolls, Alt-right trolls, stalking trolls, single topic (anti-trans for ex.) trolls, anti-LGBT trolls from evangelicals for profit organizations, etc. But too many are using the term loosely when they object to another's opinion.

On a personal note, you deliver some very good, sensible posts. I appreciate seeing them.

Gillibrand

Elder Lez is very shrewd politically speaking.

Indeed, R403, which is why she needn't fret over the errors. It's content that matters.

What was Sander's reason for missing the vote? He missed another similar vote before, I believe.

The Irish Ambassador was pushing a yes vote too which was strange.

The White House has invited the MGA hat Catholic School kids to the White House.

MAGA hat

Will they be served hamberders or covfefe?

[quote]The White House has invited the MGA hat Catholic School kids to the White House.

CBS News' Fin Gomez:

Senior WH official tells us that the reporting is inaccurate.The Covington Kids have not been invited. Senior WH aide says: “They are not coming tomorrow, they are not coming this week, that does not mean they are not going to come at all? I don’t know.” Says nothing is imminent.

Thanks, R410, for chasing it down. Other threads are reporting it as true and we don't need to be pushing fake news.

How fucking horrible

And it will be the highpoint of most of those little fuckers' lives.

Giuliani Strategy seems to be just to mix things up. Confuse things, so that people will believe what they choose.

The Covington School could invite the Native-American individuals that were harrassed to the school and formally express regret and have those kids apologize, one by one. Invite their parents, and ask the Native-Americans to speak, and perhaps re-perform the presentation/chant that was done in DC. Ban MAGA hats, T-shirts, and signs.

If any kids don't cooperate, dismiss them. I know the story is more complicated, but it would show the school is trying to make matters better and offer a learning experience.

Going to the WH would not be smart.

Thank you for your kind words R401, R403 and R404.

I personally have learned so much from other posters on this thread and appreciate the thoughtful discussions and civil, constructive disagreements.

R415 What a nice fantasy. What will happen is: There will be no further comments. Read the (poor harassed) student's (PR) statement (we good, they bad). This is an internal school issue (none of you godless libs' beeswax), and will be dealt with fairly and accordingly (ignored and forgotten soon enough). In other words, the standard "thoughts and prayers" cover-up routine.

Who was the student staring down the American Indian? I would like to get wrecked by him when he is of age then go full James Deen on his face after.

Who will hold Sanders to account for his Russian votes? I have (former) Bernie Bro friends who have no clue and they pay attention to the news.

The trolls used to leave the Mueller threads alone because they got thrashed but they do seem to pop up especially late evening.

R418 No one will hold Sanders accountable. They already gave him an excuse. He was doing something important like meeting with females who accused his campaign of sexual misconducts. It must have been a scheduling issue (wink wink).

r419 Poor Bernie, he is so busy. It would be a shame if he somehow got caught up in this Russian collusion mess!

Thank you for the clarity on the Gillibrand vote!!!!!! I did not post on that, but I was really pissed about it. I read a LOT, but I do work so I also miss many stories in spite of how much I read. Please keep pointing out inaccuracies in posts, the truth will set us free.

R420 Poor Bernie. He was cheated and betrayed by the corrupt Dems. But if he were so great, why would he need the Dem Nom? Run independent or Socialist, and see if anyone really gives a shit. Why hide behind a party he doesn't even believe in enough to stay in? Trump also ran a scam of hijacking a party, but the Dems aren't as blind as the GOP.

Huffpo said Pres Bone Spurs told Sasquatch "not to bother" holding briefings. It has happened- I AGREE with him!!!!!!!!! Am I a deplorable now?????

Link please r423

R424, can’t you just google “Trump Sanders press briefings”?

When I did that, this comes up.

From the statement at R410, sounds to me that they have been in contact with the WH already - probably Bone Spurs told them how Magats they are. It's just the official invitation hasn't gone out yet or a date hasn't been scheduled -- yet.

R426 I can see it now. Brave (white) young men facing off dangerous (non-white) radicals in defending American (white) pride!

R418 Yes, the 'Russher' trolls mostly post in the wee morning hours of the U.S. east. The scripts are mostly short, and the messaging is either contrary or an expression of "concern" that a situation cannot be changed. Sometimes they are agreeing, delivering such comments coupled with racially, religious, or geographically-stereotypic language to inflame divisiveness. Their syntax and word usage sometimes gives them away. They appear more frequently when there is breaking news they seek to influence. Also, when negative news is anticipated per their interests, their talking points are often parallel to those of domestic right-wing media outlets. Coordination at some level looks apparent.

I think one of the new troll tactics is, "I wish the FBI would have..." "I wish Mueller would..."

r429 Yes, but also so many don't have patience or understand this has to be done exactly right or it will be destroyed but the right wing apparatus. As it is, there could be proof beyond all doubt he is a Russian asset and doesn't care about this anyone but himself and 30% of citizens will not care. They will never admit they were snookered. Not even to themselves.

1.....Don't be surprised if in Muellers final report, Bernie is implicated. Its gonna happen. Tad Devine didnt find his way to the Sanders campaign for no reason.

2. Just a hypothetical....lets assume Trump gets away with it. Everything hes done to kiss Putins ass was all done in order for Trump to build Trump Towers in Russia. He had to ease sanctions for the financing. I know that is more complicated, but thats the crux of it. Anyway, wouldnt it be hysterical, if after all Trumps done, Putin tells him to Fuck Off and doesnt let him expand into Russia.

The Covington kid will be on CNN in a few minutes.

R432 CNN is the Complicit News Network.

I forgot to add this about his supporters- on new years eve I was at this party. This gay, mexican, drug dealing, out of work asshole suddenly, without provocation, starts telling everyone how he is a Pres Bone Spurs supporter and how great of a job he has done and how the media doesn't report the good things he has done. I asked him what good things he has done they aren't reporting. He stumbled around and spouting some bullshit. These people are fucking nuts.

Erin Burnett, like others, will convey a story is "coming up next", and it could be 30 to 45 minutes away with 5 commercial breaks in-between.

[quote]Don't be surprised if in Muellers final report, Bernie is implicated. Its gonna happen.

From your lips...

R434 They are fools who just want to tap into his "winning"/bullying movement. You should never be surprised how many people like to sidle up to the biggest bully.

[quote]So. Eleven Republicans and 43 Democrats = 54

???

There are 45 Democratic Senators and two Independents.

[quote]The Covington kid will be on CNN in a few minutes.

OMG, his PR firm's made him up to look like he's 12. And he sounds drugged up in that promo clip.

[quote]Erin Burnett, like others, will convey a story is "coming up next", and it could be 30 to 45 minutes away with 5 commercial breaks in-between.

It's "Reel You In for the Commercial Breaks 101"

Yes r439, I noticed that. He doesn't look the same and appear younger.

Napoleon notoriously straightened and widened the streets of Paris because he had learned how easy they were to block during the Revolution. I’m reminded of that by how wide the streets of DC are. And with modern guns, it would be very difficult to successfully storm a building like Congress or the White House in a revolution.

I’m just thinking. In the event of a fascist takeover, if the military was with the Adventurists, it would be hard to overthrow them.

^ with Sarah Huckabee breading the March singing

well, yeah, if it does come to that, I hope we all have a better plan than barricades in the streets of Washington DC.

R442 I don't think the Trumpies have everything in place for a coup yet. But this incident with the MAGA school and the way the media bent over backward to justify the PR spiel are a big red warning sign that they are planning to seize the future of this country one way or another. So I think come 2020, all bets are off. 2016 was already an assault on democracy. 2020 might be its destruction if the Dems don't stop this crazy fascist train!

r445 The media needs to hold the repugs accountable and stop trying to make the Dems the only party they chastise. They nitpick the Dems to death but let the repugs get away with egregious shit all the time.

Lindsey is back from Turkey and Pakistan, and now has a proposal to end the shutdown.

What would the country do without Lindsey?

Scenario:. Lindsey goes tobsee Trump. Trump talks to Stephen Miller. Trump says no. Lindsey feels frustrated, but lavishes praise on Trump. Turtle chuckles.

to see^

r262, Whips now? This stupid story gets more and more embellished and ridiculous as time goes on.

IF the story is true, all we know from the Dossier is that Trump paid for these girls to come up to the room and pee on the bed the Obama's supposedly slept in.

That's It. The End.

R449

(450)

So Lindsey is all relaxed now, after cavorting with those greasy, horny Turks. How long before he needs a week off again?

Who paid for this junket? Did he get the plane ok and security coverage from Plump? What a bunch of rats these repugulicans are.

What's the verdict. Depends or rolled up socks?

Watch Lindsey carefully. I think he's having difficulty sitting down....

R454, hunny, them's Depends...

Add up all the costs of Miss Thang's junkets over the years, it would be shocking.

it's like it's so close, it's just about to break out, the long buried (barely) secret, it's about to be shouted out from the rafters: BITCH IS A FUCKING QUEEN!!!!!!!

r456....Depends my ass....thats a fucking diaper.

You'd think they'd just put a condom catherter on him instead of a damn diaper.

Must I be subjected to photos of him tonight? That crepey burnt sienna skin, the banana smirk, the gluttonous jelly belly. The expression on my face is like when you’re in a grocery store trying to shop and you get pinched in an aisle by a lady with a kid in a poopy diaper. I smell poo and can’t get away. That’s my face.

Okay I smoke too much ganja. R461 made me laugh and laugh and laugh.

R442, L'Enfant specifically designed DC for the same purpose.

Just over two weeks until Cohen's testimony -- it's still on, right?

This might be best posted to the MSNBC thread but Frank Figliuzzi came right out and said that the only conclusion he can make is Trump and his campaign was working with the Russians to win the election. Boom. Done.

Listening to what FBI staff are going through just now - On an operational level level they haven’t got money to buy tyres for cars - or printer paper! - and on a personal level are starting to have to use foodbanks...

This is the FBI! The people who help keep America safe! They’re being screwed! No different to any other government employees... the whole shutdown is fucked! Using people as pawns for rich people’s games.

If anyone ever tells me that the rethugs are the party of law and order - I will fucking lose it! Fucking cunts!

Speaking of Russia, there were 22 Republicans who did Putin's bidding last night and voted against NATO. Names include Trump lickspittles Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows and Louis Gohmert.

[quote]This is the FBI! The people who help keep America safe! They’re being screwed!

Icing on the cake to deplorables.

Seriously!

I can't tell you how many times I have seen my local deplorables respond to posted news articles on Facebook about how bad they want Trump to just completely get rid of both the FBI and CIA.

I've lost track of where we are with the tax returns; are they being investigated as part of Mueller's investigation? The House? SDNY?

R449 The plural of Obama is Obamas.

An apostrophe is not used to make a name plural.

Are the Trump Normalizers still working their talking points about how he didn’t really want to win?

R467, to me that is near the nadir of disgusting, scary, etc., news in the past 2+ years. There have always been anti-NATO weirdos, but now it's a concept that is mainstream enough to publicly vote for. Not good for my blood pressure, not good for democracies worldwide. Someday this waking nightmare will be over and we'll say "whew, that was close!", or at least I hope so.

I think it’s Obami.

Amen, R472. But I look at it this way. Pelosi let them vote on it. She didn't stop it. The legislation failed and we now know exactly who supported it. It's all public record. It almost makes me wonder about the "Freedom Caucus" and where they get their support. I know Roger Ailes and Fox News invented the Tea Party. And it sort of morphed into this Freedom Caucus, but who backs them? Ryan's two Pacs got a lot of rubles. Was that the extent of it? I doubt it.

When all this is over, I want a blacklist that will make the 1950s edition look like a Post-It.

^I'd really like to see an online Wall of Collaborators.

Something that just shows up whenever you Google someone's name. Voted against sanctions. Voted against public testimony. Voted for gift to Derepaska. Voted to confirm Sessions. etc.

But it's okay... It's not going to stop him from continuing.

Thanks, R474. Pelosi's political instincts are amazing; thank god for her leadership in these dark times. My suspicions are immediately aroused any time I see a jackass GOP politician who sports an American flag lapel pin, as I'm convinced most (practically all?) of the GOPers of that ilk are overcompensating for their lack of national patriotism. It's all about their lust for money and power and keeping their boots on the necks of most Americans. Obviously.

NATO is essential and the US is an essential member. It's ridiculous that this needs to be stated and repeated, but apparently it's not self-evident to enough people these days.

Great idea, R476. I might give it a shot my-own-damn-self.

So Politico is reporting Trump's disapproval ratings are at an all time high. 57% of Americans think he is doing a bad job. In another category, 35% say Congress is doing a bad job.

There were other numbers but those two stand our. IMO, 57% is not nearly high enough. We want him over 60%. Way over. As for Congress, that's an interesting number. Congress always has low approval ratings. Everyone hates Congress generically. But their own specific Congress member is fine. So for Congress to have a 35% disapproval because people blame them for the shutdown, is pretty good in a way.

I would love to see a legitimate poll of Pelosi's numbers.

The BullyBoy told his staff to call Congress and tell them He wanted to do a walk through for the State of the Union, and the Sargeant at Arms refused them. Trump thought he'd ignore Pelosi and muscle his way in, but apparently not. It will be interesting to see what he will do about it.

He can always go to the Senate but that's not big enough to accommodate his cabinet, or the GOP House members or the Justices. LOL! I bet he has a picture of Pelosi on his dart board. With his personality he has to be seriously pissed off at her.

I bet he and Bill Schine, his communications Director and mastermind will think of something.

R329, Isikoff is not necessarily on the Democrats' side, FYI. He was the first and one of the most vitriolic critics of Bill Clinton, re: Monica, writing the book "Uncovering Clinton."

He has said, for no discernible reasons, that some of the Steele Dossier claims are "likely false."

He will take it out of town and do it in front of the adoring cretins who make up his base. He will not do it in the Oval Office, since the only thing he craves is attention. It will turn into a political rally speech.

Even if he gave his speech in the capital, he'd still give the same speech as at a rally, so might as well make him book a stadium in oshkosh for that bullshit.

R480 - Good!!

[quote]I bet he has a picture of Pelosi on his dart board.

As if that tiny handed lump could throw a dart.

Along with fifteen or so others in the so-called Freedom Caucus, Biggs, Gaetz, Gohmert, Gym Jordan, and Meadows have been ringleaders in the efforts to undermine the Mueller investigation in the House. Nunes is in a category all to himself, blatantly exhibiting obstructionist behavior when he was Chair of the House Intelligence Committee. He is still on the Committee. Kevin McCarthy is allowing it.

The media needs to a better job of idenifying and exposing these Putin-enabling, pro-Trumpian authoritarianist politicians in the House and Senate.

R480 yes. The Sergeant of Arms reports to Nancy Pelosi. It is not a political job, but administrave, technical, and ceremonial Paul D. Irving has worked under both Democratic and Republican Speakers.

The White House has no authority to hire, fire, or render orders to the Sergeant of Arms.

^administrative

l'm glad Tre45onous Cheetolini is pissed off at Ghouliani's overexposed fuckery as well.

[quote]The BullyBoy told his staff to call Congress and tell them He wanted to do a walk through for the State of the Union, and the Sargeant at Arms refused them. Trump thought he'd ignore Pelosi and muscle his way in, but apparently not.

Can Nancy have him arrested for trespassing?

I know the answer is probably not but it's nice to think about.

When he was running for President I bet Trump thought he could do any damned thing he wanted accountable to no one. Hah.

We have three agendas in 2020.

#1. Defeat Trump/Pence or WTFever is the Republican POTUS.

#2. Take and hold both houses of Congress.

#3. Make sure we elect more Democratic Governors andState Legislatures. 202 is when legislative redistricting happens and they are the ones who do it. So vote Democratic all up and down the ballot.

The motto in 2020 is "Crush them!"

[quote]When he was running for President I bet Trump thought he could do any damned thing he wanted accountable to no one.

Of course he did. It was obvious he had no clue what the job entailed. He legitimately thought being President was being like an Emperor and whatever you wanted became law.

True, R492, and nothing brings it home for him like Pelosi telling him he's not doing his SOTU at the Capitol in HER HOUSE.

He is prolly crazy with rage.

He's gettin' closer to the edge: "jump! jump! jump!"

The pig still has no clue what being president means. All the repugs know this too, that is why they need to be held in contempt for abetting this treasonous piece of shit. What a nightmare. Vote these shitstains out of office in 2020. They will always be known as traitors to the US.

[quote]The pig still has no clue what being president means.

Why should he? He lives a life of a baby who believes the world adapts to him not the other way around. If nothing else, that's what his trying to go behind Nancy's back says.

I guess an old man can learn a new word -- "accountability."

Congress is a separate and equal branch of the government along with the Judiciary. Trump, the current head of the Executive branch, thinks he can dictate to the other two. That was basically allowed when Republicans controlled the House, but not now.

[quote]Along with fifteen or so others in the so-called Freedom Caucus, Biggs, Gaetz, Gohmert, Gym Jordan, and Meadows have been ringleaders in the efforts to undermine the Mueller investigation in the House.

We need to rebrand Freedom Caucus as Putin Caucus.

Interesting how the media's conversation has turned to Rudy Giuliani's gaffes, contradictory statements, and Trump's displeasure with his PR presentations.

The focus needs to be back on Trump himself and his role with the 'Russher' matter. The media is letting Trump deflect again.

Yeah, there will be plenty of time for discredited Rudy. Now is not the time to let Don the Con slip away.

The Traitor Caucus

Maybe it cause the Ghoul to turn on Dotard.

BuzzFeed goes on the offensive, shares plans for Trump Tower Moscow

I love receipts!

r504....then youre gonna love this....

Buzzfeed isn't fooling around. I, too, adore receipts.

Popcorn anyone? Rudy the Pink should have something absurd to say about this one....can you imagine what the history books will be saying about this shit 50 years from now (if we survive)?

He didn't say he didn't because he didn't he said he didn't because he was using it as a hypothetical and who cares if he did? It's not illegal!

Cheeto is going to storm the Capitol to make his speech. It's like war. A king trying to destroy parliament.

Your move, Madame Speaker!

How transparent are the GOP that this is all about opening the government for just enough time so that Cheetolicia can have her big State of the Union applause-o-rama moment? I really don't want Donna to be afforded that privilege. Not after all that she's done.

Order the House Chamber padlocked prior to Trump showing up. Pelosi has the power to do that.

I hope no one gets hurt.

Why are people acting as though Bone Spurs is livid at having to have a woman's consent?. He'll just grab her by the House!

Another bully move. 1. Uninvite him then 2. padlock the fucker out.

He can give his bullshit state of the union address in Moscow.

It's like everything is just a tiny obnoxious step towards autocratic rule.

Don't like facts? Just say truth doesn't exist. Start photoshopping photos (Cheeto's hands and waistline) and speeding up video (CNN reporter supposedly battering a White House staffer taking a microphone away).

Then physically invade the House, over which you haven no dominion, on the basis of a rescinded invitation.

Next step?

I read that Trump relishes hearing that the FBI is having a hard time during the shutdown. Their families as well. He enjoys that has that kind of power over them.

Can't she just declare a closed session for that day?

Or schedule the carpets to be cleaned.

What tapes was gouliani rambling about?

Meadows gives me the heebie jeebies.

I sure hope Pelosi stops him! Motherfuvker needs to accept no for once in his life. Fuck him.

They're already both-sides-ing it. Pelosi's now being petty, implied some Dem congressman from CA.

Who? Out the mother fucker, R522.

We've seen this before.

R523, let me search for his name.

Pelosi told Trump that he can deliver the address from the Oval Office....why is he so adamant to have it in Congress.....optics....he cant allow a woman to dictate to him.

R523, Andrea Mitchell today -- Jimmy Panetta, California , Ways and Means Committee.

To paraphrase: shaking head, "My constituents didn't send me to Washington for this."

R526: All the more reason for her to stop him.

If he does do it from the Oval Office, do we think the networks would consider saying to hell with it and not broadcasting?

R529: One can only hope..

I shall step in and fix this. Get the cameras and Fox, book me for four shows for the next 48 hours. I just got back solving mideast and east Asia problems, and now this. I am in such demand.

Fiddle dee dee, just another day's work.

WSJ alert: Trump recognizes opposition leader as interim president of Venezuela as tens of thousands take to the streets in opposition to Nicolas Maduro.

So is he going to wag the dog now? Get his approval up?

Unconfirmed speculation is that DJT wants to invite Nick Sandmann & some of the other Covington kids as gallery guests to be introduced at tSOTU address.

[quote]Can't she just declare a closed session for that day?

Tom Nichols: (Trump) has unimpeded access to the Congress and the House, but no one can speak without permission from the rostrum. She can gavel him right out of order - a spectacle he'd love, I'm sure.

^Not if Nancy has a bald, 300 lb. black body guard on each side of her.

What if he slob showed up and nobody came?

"Fatty had a party and nobody came."

I hope she doesn't cave. When she said there was a security concern that was not a joke. The fact is, a lot of people who are currently furloughed that work on the Hill, not for DHS, but in the Capitol, would have to be called back to work simply to accommodate the physical presence of Trump and his dog and pony show, not to mention his prima donna family, his cabinet, and the Supreme Court justices. It's very thoughtless and very Imperial. It's a wholly selfish move. The same people would then be ought of work the next day, and for the foreseeable future. When his Neo Nazi DHS Director jumps to say "we can secure the Capitol," she's too stupid to realize all the other people involved. There's no consideration for the hundreds Hill staff people that have to be involved. This is not simply a matter of bomb sniffing dogs, and extra Secret Service and federal marshals. This is a whole operation. I pray Pelosi stands firm. This is not a "both sides" argument. He needs to get the fuck out of the way and let the Senate vote to reopen the government. He is the one who is casting this as Trump vs. Pelosi. Tell the media to stop the bullshit .get on Twitter and contact every single media person you can and raise hell.

Trump threatening Cohen and his family!

Shit, Cohen's postponing his testimony. I'm sure Mueller has what he needs, but this would be *so important* in letting the public know just how awful Donald is. On the other hand, Cohen's saying it's due to threats.

Cohen delays testimony citing threats from Trump, Giuliani

Is this real?

I hate Maggie.

This is one tweet from Maggie I will retweet. I hate her too, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Wow this guy just keeps on winning

If by "winning," you mean having all of your methods exposed, your credibility in tatters and hanging close to ultimately losing it all, then by all means, yes.

He's won nothing but he has shown his disrespect to the Representatives of the people, their house, and our government.

R544's contributions to this thread have been very insightful.

“By advice of counsel, Mr. Cohen’s appearance will be postponed to a later date,” said Cohen's lawyer, Lanny Davis, in a statement. “Mr. Cohen wishes to thank Chairman Cummings for allowing him to appear before the House Oversight Committee and looks forward to testifying at the appropriate time.” He added, “This is a time where Mr. Cohen had to put his family and their safety first.”

so Trump's threats are working. Just when I was getting my hopes up for more of his bs to be exposed

Yes his threats are working. His bullying of the House will works as well. We don't know how to stand up to tyranny anymore outside polite channels, it seems. People don't know how to go to war within legal channels.

I wonder how much this has to do with the Buzzfeed Article?

Indefinite postponement.

Shut up, TROLL R549, his threats are decidedly NOT working. We have a Democratically controlled House because his threats of violence didn't work.

Michael Cohen has to report to prison on March 6th. Postponing the Feb 7th testimony means he has less than 4 weeks to reschedule.

Also, I disagree with the idea that bullying the House is going to work. If anything, it's continuing to expose how ineffective Trump is (and it only boosts Nancy's credibility). Now, we need to complete the cycle by showing how awful Mitch is and getting that narrative to stick.

R553 I'm not a troll you idiot. Obviously if the testimony is postponed, Trump is getting what he wanted. How is Cohen temporarily canceling a good thing? This will allow the assholes on Fox to spin that "Cohen decided not to lie about Trump to please Democrats" or some shit like that. You have no idea how damaging Cohen's testimony might be to Trump so the delaying of it is annoying

It really is funny that Rethugs can and will continue to bitch that Nancy won't allow a vote...

They hypocrisy is staggering.

He's worried for his father in law, who probably has some stuff to hide.

I think Trump was particularly scared of this, and so stretched himself a bit and put out the threats.

The bullying... the both siders are going to spin it at "genius no-holds-barred political battle". You know the Times will be on board.

I don't think Trump's attempted bullying of Democrats will work thankfully (they better fucking not give in to the wall shit) but obviously it has worked for now against Cohen

Maybe Cohen's hot son was worried for his grandfather.

Could this be obstruction? Witness tampering?

Define "worked," It's witness tampering and obstruction of justice. It just adds more to the list of things to throw his ass in prison for.

Michael Cohen knows better than anyone the lengths Trump will go to get his way, so he fear may be well founded.

He might actually have something over Cohen's father-in-law. Some knowledge of previously undiscovered wrongdoing perhaps? Whatever it is, he is threatening private citizens right out in public. How is that not an impeachable offense? It's blatant witness tampering/intimidation.

I want to see Cohen's hot son again.

Cohen looks handsome in the blurred background at OP's link's pic.

All of the above, r561

[quote]Michael Cohen knows better than anyone the lengths Trump will go to get his way, so he fear may be well founded.

That's the problem. Has Trump actually threatened him? Or does Cohen feel threatened because he knows the tactics and doesn't want to be approached by someone in a parking lot who's been given a brief case full of cash?

Malcolm Nance:

If Michael Cohen calculated that this move will get Trump a fresh impeachment charge or give Dems a reason to investigate Trump closely for #WitnessTampering ... he’s right. Well played, Michael. Well played.

R556, I've been watching this whole ordeal and know full well how damaging the testimony could be. His threats are working on Cohen's testimony in front of Congress but not on the truth. Cohen knows how this looks. Trump just hung his ass out again for witness tampering.

Hot Son Cohen on MSNBC> Replay of courtroom walk.

Interesting.

R568, love it. Gives me hope.

R568 that's why I was wondering how much this had to do with the Buzzfeed article. A new angle to go after him?

Biden is damaged goods and too fucking old. There are way too many pictures of him rubbing and massaging women. Not gonna cut it in this #MeToo era.

Also, I just read a NYT article about Trump telling Nancy that he will be delivering the SOTU from the Capitol and the article referred to the "Democrat leadership." Such a dead giveaway that the shitty NYT is up Trump's asshole as per usual.

Wow, $200,000 for one speech. Nice going, Joe.

I would imagine Cohen has "stuff" on Ivanka and Don Jr?

R576 "Pee Pee tapes," probably.

R576, he probably has a Donald Trump Senior/Ivanka fuck tape too.

Most definitely R578.

Of course Donald's not surprised he's been banned from giving the SOTU. He probably would prefer not seeing politicians.

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I think this is a chess move by Cohen. Mueller can now use this as a clear case of witness intimidation. OH!!! BREAKING!!! Nancy just told Fat Potus to talk to the hand. No rally at the capital on the 29th.

R582 I can see the same thing.

Ghouliani is calling Michael Cohen a serial liar.

Oh my sides!

Go back to 2002 and before and look at Delaware's role with the predatory credit card industry and banking. They hosted it and and defined regulations. Joe Biden was a primary figure in this set-up, particularly getting related bills through the Senate.

From 2015, Biden's association and bidding for the predatory credit card industry:

Remember the very short window to pay your credit card bill to avoid exhuberant late and finance fees? Biden was a part of it. Recall payments being channeled through Delaware?

i like Uncle Joe but don't want him to run

NEW: AP: AP-NORC poll shows a majority of Americans blame Trump for shutdown as his approval hits lowest level (34%) in more than a year. Approval rating dipped 8 points since December

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IMO Joe Biden would be *able* to beat a Trump campaign but he's far too much of an after-one-term boring and compromised opposition.

I think if the Democrats set him up, he's neigh being set up to fail.

Biden is much like Janet Jackson, no? Give him a third try and he'll definitely get in there this time!!!

R589, Hope that poll is reliable because Trump hitting the low 30's is exactly where we need him to be. When George W. Bush was at his lowest point he dropped to 22% but he ended at 28%. I want Trump down to 30 or below. This shutdown has helped enormously. Federal workers who might have once supported him have drifted away. I know one damned thing if my mother were married to a Trump supporting federal worker who was about to miss his second paycheck, she'd be all over my father like a Grizzly Bear.

A Trump supporting Federal worker = moron.

Just who is left of the base, anyway? He's losing more and more of the uneducated white people, the elites have never really accepted him ...

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