Netflix FYRE documentary

He was an attractive Daddy.

Billy McFarland is like a young Donald Trump. Notice he said he wanted to appeal to the loser guys who would spend money to experience that.

This makes me dislike the models and "influencers" even more.

The evil asian guy from the Netflix doc has been telling people he was edited down and he was just trying to protect his camera equipment. He also links to the Bahamian woman with the restaurant/bar. I think.

Fat Affleck could play the guy.

All his associates being interviewed are just passing the buck, they all were involved and are now trying to act like they are above it

I watched this doc and was so fascinated I watched the Hulu doc as well. It is extraordinary that seemingly intelligent people -- professionals(?) -- within the organization, or whose services were retained to put on the festival, continued to work alongside this fraudster sociopath when their instinct, knowledge, expertise and common sense all indicated it was a scam. I don't know how any of them can show their faces now and profess to have been unwitting accomplices -- or victims.

It's scary that so many of the kids who paid sooo much money are completely lacking discernment and the ability to spot what should have been an obvious scam. Being first notified and then ordered to pay $3000 in advance to load a wristband for a cashless event? With only two weeks to go? That would have been my cue to do a credit card chargeback and make an online complaint with the FTC and my state AG.

R6, which documentary was better -- the Hulu one or the Netflix one?

Netflix, but I'm not R6.

Did he really think he would get away with it?

r7, the NYTimes said they're both good but that the better one is "FYRE Fraud" on Hulu.

*spoilish*

Why are there only 10 posts on this? I watched both. Not sure that one is better than the other. They are very similar actually. They have some of the same commentators.

This show is going drive the planning types crazy. Because it could have all been avoided. It could have been epic. It was a good idea with brilliant marketing. But now we said that it was never going to happen.

It's not. They have a lot of the same clips but the Netflix one has more dirt and insight from people who helped built the thing and more of a sense of scale. The Hulu one is the idea of better because they got Billy McFarland to sit down. Hulu had the bigger get but McFarland tells us Nothing. Is it definitely not a Robert Durst situation if that's what they were hoping for. Watch both.

Is Ja Rule guilty?

I would agree to the suggestion of seeing both.

R13, in my opinion, Ja was more of a flakey sidekick. He seemed on the documentaries to just be enjoying the party rather than being some huge mastermind.

He could barley make the company pitch without passing it off to Billy.

I just watched it before I saw this thread. It is fucking disgusting what they did to the people in the Bahamas who were basic laborers. All those whores like the Hadid sisters, etc. should have to pay up. Ja rule should also be in prison; he sold this to people. Our society is truly fucked.

I followed this story closely as it happened bc I knew a few people who got caught up in it (Dummies, I called it EARLY!!) and I watched the Netflix one. The young guy with the big sweaters was cute, and the marc guy was kinda cute but did yoga so obviously is flexible.

Don't have hulu, is there any way I can watch it w/o Hulu??

The older bloke being prepared to go suck dick at the Bahamas customs office to get the bottles of Evian made me laugh/gasp.

Whichis better, the Netflix version of the Hulu version?

It disgusts me, but I found Billy kind of fuckable.

I could've sworn Billy was gay until they showed his foreign girlfriend, R19

"It's not fraud. It's false advertising."

Ja Fuckin Rule is an idiot. He should be in jail, too.

I can't believe that old guy was willing to admit he was literally going to suck a dick for H2O (maybe that's the lesbian in me, but really?), All to save his douchebag protege and project.. poor guy what a co-dependent mess.

Docs about scammers are so satisfying. They need a good one about that NYC faux "german heiress".

I hope the people from the Bahamas who got cheated get compensated.

I look at the attendees, and honestly, I don't care about them.

The employees and contractors who didn't get paid, OTOH....

It was so obvious he was looking forward to sucking some Bahamas Customs cock and was disappointed he'd cleaned himself up and travelled there only to be turned down.

The Hulu one goes deeper into the Millennial mindset and tries to explain the mindset of these vapid assholes in a sympathetic way.

I don't want to have any sympathy from the douchebros I saw in the Netflix documentary. Hard pass.

It doesn't succeed, so you can watch it, r26.

The older guy who was willing to suck dick (why would he use mouth wash BEFORE?), I wonder if he is in love with Billy?

R28 He was definitely a bit odd. Said he was crying every day because it was all so horrible but the first suggestion he gets forced to suck on some big black cock like in that fantasy he'd had for years and he's downing the mouthwash and straight in the car.

[quote]It doesn't succeed, so you can watch it, [R26].

What the hell.

35 minutes in, and I hate all of these people.

I have never heard a more depressing statement than "Kendall Jenner is defining a generation."

r29 I think he enjoyed the drama. He said he exchanged clothes with an islander and then laid in the back seat of the car to get away.

[quote] Is Ja Rule guilty?

As sin. The Netflix doc does a better job of exposing the extent of Ja Rule's involvement. He definitely knew that Fyre could not deliver on its few tangible promises. The marketing was so vague i cannot believe anyone paid money without doing minimal due diligence. I mean, at the very least I would want to know the name of the island hosting the festival before paying $3000. If anything, it highlights -- alarmingly -- how easily duped these rich young people were. These are the innovators and leaders of tomorrow?

R8, if you have time watch both, they are complementary in some respects. In particular, the Netflix doc was made by the media partner that marketed the festival. The Hulu doc highlights how producers of Netflix doc were willfully blind, or possibly complicit.

[quoye] All those whores like the Hadid sisters, etc. should have to pay up. Ja rule should also be in prison; he sold this to people. Our society is truly fucked.

I have to agree with the comments in the Netflix doc. How could the dumb models be expected to know that they were being used to defraud and scam festival goers? They were paid to do a job and they did it. They are not responsible.

[quote]I have to agree with the comments in the Netflix doc. How could the dumb models be expected to know that they were being used to defraud and scam festival goers? They were paid to do a job and they did it. They are not responsible.

Bear in mind, the Netflix doc was produced in part by Fuck Jerry, the social marketer behind that whole stunt.

R31 The girl making those comments was on another level.

[quote]It's scary that so many of the kids who paid sooo much money are completely lacking discernment and the ability to spot what should have been an obvious scam. Being first notified and then ordered to pay $3000 in advance to load a wristband for a cashless event? With only two weeks to go? That would have been my cue to do a credit card chargeback and make an online complaint with the FTC and my state AG.

All the credibility they need is provided by the inclusion of a Jenner or one of the Hadid-ha girls. These impressionable dipshits are way more brainwashed than any generation before them.

R35 uhh that sounds like a disturbing conflict of interests. I don't have Hulu so was going to watch the Netflix version but now I am not sure..

I don't have Hulu in my country. Can I watch the doc online somewhere? Any links?

The models/ instagrammers are responsible, because they didn't divulge that they were paid for their post about the festival (you have to use #ad before your post to make it obvious). Thus they could be sued.

R40 I thought the #ad rule came into effect afterward?

Nope, see link

That jewish yoga guy was positively HOT, love the freckles and the man bun, a less girly Willy Cartier. He should have been the one downing some big black cock for water, that's an idea for the porn remake.

I've only watched the Netflix one, I thought it was fascinating. I felt so bad for the black construction guy, even though he's clearly as much of an idiot as everyone else. I give this doc a 4/5.

I preferred the Hulu doc. I think the marketing agency that helped promote the fest was invoked with production of the Netflix doc so it’s skewed in their favor. But I liked them both.

I’m stuck in Boston on business this weekend so watched them back to back in my hotel.

The funniest bit was they were told “Do not mention the name Pablo Escobar”.

They did so in their first ad and were promptly booted from Norman’s.

I really hate my generation, I would prefer being raped by some Hell Angel at Woodstock, than attending some insta-hoe fest.

Go Fund Me for poor caterer Maryann. As ever, it’s the black locals who suffer the most. Imperialism really is the highest point of Capitalism.

As someone who produces large scale events for a living, I found the Netflix version fascinating. What a spectacular shit show. If the people being interviewed were so horrified by what was going on around them, why didn’t they just quit?

There were a bunch of longform articles that were a bit more balanced. Each of the docs had their own agendas.

I haven't seen either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McFarland go to jail not for Fyre Festival but for some other fraud that he committed after the Fyre trial?

R42 So glad they are making attempts to crack down on this kind of irresponsible behavior, it definitely should become illegal so that it would mean million dollar fines or perhaps even jail for repeat offenders like Jenner or the Hadi-hars.

I watched both also. Lean towatds the Hulu one but they were both good. So far no one has mentioned that Kylie (or Kendall. never know which is which) was paid $250,000 for one Instgram post about this "event". ONE!

Also, the Hulu doc with the kids in the airport was funny. They sat locked in a tiny airport for hours. And then hours on the plane. And then.............................they had to swap out the crew as they'd been on call for the max amount of hours (even though the never actually flew) was kind of humorous.

[quote]I haven't seen either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McFarland go to jail not for Fyre Festival but for some other fraud that he committed after the Fyre trial?

No, he faced charges for both.

[quote]Also, the Hulu doc with the kids in the airport was funny. They sat locked in a tiny airport for hours. And then hours on the plane. And then.......................... - ...they had to swap out the crew as they'd been on call for the max amount of hours (even though the never actually flew) was kind of humorous.

I remember that one douchebro from when the whole thing was breaking. He posted his travails on his YouTube channel, and the comments ripped him several new ones. Wanted to punch him then, wanted to punch him now.

I watched the Hulu doc and the guy they interviewed from the Fuck Jerry marketing company was hilarious. Curious to see their doc too but they definitely sound complicit in the scam.

Apparently Billy was paid for the Hulu doc. Fuck Hulu.

OTOH, you got to see him awkwardly attempt to talk around the actual criminal things he did.

Yeah, so what if they paid him?

Because he doesn’t deserve a penny, you silly bitch.

How could Billy be interviewed for the doc if he's in prison?

If I'm going to watch both, is it better to watch Netflix first or Hulu? Or does it matter?

He just went into the pokey in October or November.

There was a video of Bella, Hailey Baldwin and some of the other Fyre models, strutting a NYC sidewalk after the festival. When a photographer asked them "how'd ya like Fyre?", they instantly dropped the haughty supermodel poses and turned into a pack wriggling, giggling 12 year old schoolgirls.

[quote]If I'm going to watch both, is it better to watch Netflix first or Hulu? Or does it matter?

I would do Netflix first. Just because you really get Fuck Jerry's version of the narrative and get to contrast it with what actually happened. But ultimately, I don't think it really matters.

Although if you're someone who wants to find the nearest Millennial and punch them, rip the bandaid off and start with Hulu.

They wanted $175,000 to release the water and that guy thought a blow job would do the trick? What planet are these people on? That guy looked like Phil Donahue. He'd be lucky if they gave him a liter of Evian for a blowjob.

Thanks for the link, R47. Can we be sure that it's legit? Why did she only start the gofundme in 2019, when the damage was done in 2017? Also, they said in the Netflix doc that they were trying to do a gofundme - what stopped them? The one MaryAnn herself started was never mentioned when they could've done an addendum to the documentary.

It was r17 from another thread.

Kendal Jenner is defining this generation? I am pretty sure Kendal Jenner cannot define anything.

Honestly, that any person would say that made my blood run cold.

....

I watched the Netflix one first and I agree with the poster above that it was beneficial to see that one first, and then step back and watch the more impartial version done by Hulu.

I don't get how this Billy guy got so much money to even put into this? The grey guy said how he's known him since age 20 and he's a genius entrepreneur- though clearly such a figure wouldn't fail so spectacularly, so...

Can I borrow anyone's Hulu password..? Help a fellow DLer out.

Found the Hulu doc on YT. It won't be up for long probably and the sound cuts out in the last 5 mins.

The Netflix doc was a more enjoyable watch and better put together but the Hulu one is a bit more factual and honest regarding who was complicit.

[quote] I would do Netflix first. Just because you really get Fuck Jerry's version of the narrative and get to contrast it with what actually happened. But ultimately, I don't think it really matters.

Agree.

Also, from a purely technical POV, the Netflix one is better as it doesn't resort to random stock footage to illustrate a point the way the Hulu one does.

As for how could people be duped, that's pretty easy.

There were big names associated with it. And a lot of them, like the manbun yoga guy, were just hoping to get paid and I think they kept thinking that somehow he'd pull it off. I suspect in retrospect they all can identify the moment when they realized they should have just dropped out, but that's the old "hindsight is 20/20" line.

Same with the attendees--they saw the names associated with it and figured that they were the ones who were unsophisticated for not knowing you needed to put $3K on the wristband.

Despite the manbun, I would have been happy to have sexual intercourse with that guy, if you know what I mean.

I feel like McFarland got away with a lot for so long because so many people in the circles he moved in are also grifting to some extent, hoping that the big break is just around the corner.

There was a funny story a while back in Rolling Stone about how Billy crossed paths with fellow notorious grifter Anna Delvey a few years earlier when she scammed him into free accommodation for months.

It always fascinates me when people can’t see through people like Billy McFatty. He has the phoniest most insincere shit-eating grin I’ve ever seen. His whole demeanour screams fake. The only explanation I can think of for people still going through with the plan is that they would have pulled off a miracle if it had gone well.

Have only seen the Netflix doc. Will watch the Hulu one today. Thanks for the link.

And not to get too in the weeds, but googling Manbun McYoga (who I agree is definitely fuckable R74), it turns out he's from Roslyn, LI and went to UPenn, which means it's highly likely a quick round of Jewish geography would have turned up a number of people he knew in common with McFarland (not Jewish himself, but from Short Hills, and around the same age) and so on the old "the friend of my friend is an okay guy" theory, it was probably easier to convince himself that it would all work out in the end.

Watched the Netflix doc yesterday after seeing this thread (boy, that old queen was a hoot and he probably wanted to come through for Billy because of his looks) and am currently watching the Hulu doc. Ten minutes in and already I want to punch Billy in the face. R76 says it better than I ever could.

Also found the original DL thread of this whole fiasco and am enjoying reading through all the schadenfreude as I watch the doc.

Who is Corola, the investor chick? She seems familiar.

She just looked like Ann Coulter's slightly prettier sister.

Probably a cunt then...

She got her clock cleaned.

He burned through 24 million. Where did it go? Booze and jet skis?

It sure didn’t go to those FEMA tents.

[quote]He burned through 24 million. Where did it go? Booze and jet skis?

He was running a complete Ponzi scheme. He sold tickets to A, and got the money for that from selling tickets to B and so on and so on.

It could have gone towards an anal bleaching for the yoga guy and a trusty dildo for that rusty and subservient old queen.

The Hulu movie is more of a polemic, which is what the Fyre Festival, Billy McFarland, Ja Rule, and all of the social media influencers deserve, though its production is less polished than the Netflix documentary. Hulu also does a better job of showing where the money was going and how it was obvious to anyone with a working brain that what Billy McFarland was doing was a textbook Ponzi scheme.

That said, the Netflix one has more about how McFarland totally fucked over the locals in the Bahamas.

The movies are complementary in a lot of ways.

Excellent summary R85, agree 100%

I watched the Hulu version online and it's great, too. Billy has to be on coke, right?

I hope there won't be a movie about this in the future. I don't want Billy to make more money from this scam like the guy from Wolf of Wall Street. Fuck these guys!

And his Russian girlfriend is a hooker. Has to be, no one is that delusional.

How much did Billy get paid to appear in the Hulu one? That's what I want to know.

R87, there are close-up shots of McFarland in the Hulu one, and his HUGE pupils are unmistakable in those shots. Definite cocaine eyes.

Thanks to r63 r70 r73 and others. I'm partway through the Netflix, pausing for lunch.

^I'm r60. Cheers.

Could be ADHD meds. Part of his defence was a claim of untreated ADHD and bipolar, which I sort of could see because he did used to talk very fast and manically compared to the Hulu interview. He's also just a massive narcissist and scammer too because neither of those conditions automatically make you criminal or lack empathy.

Adderall etc would explain the weight loss. I'd like to think he was too broke for coke.

The Hulu doc was better, overall.

I watched the Netflix one first and was aghast as the events unfolded and it became more and more outrageous (such as sending that old gay to suck off some official for a couple of trucks worth of Evian). The Hulu doc was more detailed and they pulled off a great coup by getting exclusive interviews with McFarland which really showed what a complete sociopath he is.

The great unanswered question -- what was Angelo Roefaro, Chuck Schumer's press guy, doing in Billy's suite at the Tuscany Hotel? He pops up in Billy's suite in the Netflix documentary during the period in which Billy was out on bail for the Fyre-related charges and was beginning to scam people with the NYC VIP Access tickets to the Met Gala and the Grammys.

A scammer grifting another scammer - better than fiction.

[quote]It's scary that so many of the kids who paid sooo much money are completely lacking discernment and the ability to spot what should have been an obvious scam.

Is it? I mean...why is this scary OR remotely surprising? People are stupid--and by stupid, I mean no common sense and not very thought out.

I think Macfarland is cute. He's like a cute, nerdy teddy bear., and I'm not talking about his lack of morals or business acumen...so save the armchair lectures about character blah blah blah.

The Hulu one is not better. They paid McFarland and he told us nothing. You learn more tidbits from the Netflix one.

Just wanted to re-emphasize that the Netflix documentary, which was made by FuckJerry, the social media company behind all this, does a very good job of whitewashing any of their culpability.

Which is funny because I don't think they were really villains: I think they got scammed like every one else though because the idea itself wasn't completely unrealistic, it was the schedule he left himself in which to pull it off. But the first part is what makes for a good scam: the idea seems feasible on the surface.

Also worth noting the psychologist at the end of the Hulu doc talking about what makes.a successful con artist, as even Helen Keller could draw a straight line from her description to the White House.

At 1:10 in the Hulu documentary; So he knew that millions of dollars worth of pre-rented luxury villas on the island would have been likely be revenge trashed, so he just "lost" they keys and lets a 'Lord of the Flies' scenario develop? This guy is certifiably insane and seems psychopathic. I feel bad for the younger ones who made sacrifices to attend but at the same time hope that it teaches them a lesson not to be so gullible next time.

[quote]So he knew that millions of dollars worth of pre-rented luxury villas on the island would have been likely be revenge trashed, so he just "lost" they keys

There WERE no villas. That, or he left the key box next to the dog that kept eating his homework.

The Hulu doc is better because it wasn't made by people who were desperate to deny their complicity.

The Fuck Jerry people who made the Netflix doc were still actively marketing the festival three days before it was due to begin with stuff like "In three days time you'll be dancing on the beach" despite the fact there wasn't a beach on the site and the nearest one was four miles away. There is no way that they didn't know that three days before.

Oren Aks, who worked on the Fyre account at Jerry Media, appears in the Hulu documentary and makes it clear that they had a good idea of what was really going on.

I agree with R102.

[quote] Which is funny because I don't think they were really villains: I think they got scammed like every one else though because the idea itself wasn't completely unrealistic, it was the schedule he left himself in which to pull it off. But the first part is what makes for a good scam: the idea seems feasible on the surface.

No reputable company would have involved itself with Fyre without due diligence. Then later -- months before the festival date -- when it was apparent Fyre could not deliver and had no reasonable plan to deliver what was promised, it would have ceased its activity promoting what was clearly a scam. They were complicit in a large-scale fraud.

I watched the Netflix doc yesterday and although i wasn't sure i figured that the millennial know-it-alls who helped with the festival would have the gall to produce it and i have found one this thread that i was right. I think billy was ultimately responsible for the scam and what happened so i don't mind that they whitewashed their part. I assume the blow job for avian was a joke on the ole poof and i can't believe he told the story, some things you keep to yourself.

Billy is a deplorable.

Great doc but the odd thing is it made me most disgusted at two different groups: the so-called "Influencers" (what a fucking joke) and those stupid ass models basically hired to behave like whores in one of those bad get-rich nfomercials the Korean guy used to do back in the day. Did they get paid their high end salaries for that shit?

Ja Rule and the others made me very happy to be gay. Ugly douchebag variety hetero guys.

(I did find the yoga guy and the talent booker both hot as hell -- and both came across as the most un-douchey of the bunch. Granted, not saying much...)

[quote]I preferred the Hulu doc. I think the marketing agency that helped promote the fest was invoked with production of the Netflix doc so it’s skewed in their favor. But I liked them both.

You are correct. The Netflix one is produced by JerryMedia, who was in charge of marketing the event. Because of this, JerryMedia is portrayed more innocent and flattering in the Netflix version, while the Hulu version points out many of their flaws.

#influencers - (who was the first one? Paris Hilton?)

The false economy and undue power of follower and hashtag driven viral social media is really just a high tech a MLM/Ponzi Scheme where "likes" and "follows" are valued to the exclusion of everything else - especially truth. We are just monkeys gazing longingly at celebrity reprobates whose popularity has been deemed to be worthy of our undivided attention. Ja Rule (whoever that stupid fuck is) lent his fame to Fat fuck Billy who paid a bunch of instawhore models to influence a bunch of rich kids of instagram into thinking they could be influencers too if only they went to this dark mirror version of burning man on a drug lord's island. Everyone in the chain of this transaction should be put in stupidity prison for life.

This documentary lays bare the vacuous economy of paid influencers that have degraded and debased society worldwide and is directly applicable to how we got the whore fucking #influencer-in-chief if the mother fucking whitehouse.

It's long past time to kill twitter and instagram dead - they are killing civil society and replacing it with a dystopian cesspit ruled by rappers (before they are inevitably killed,) Kardashians, Jenners and Trumps.

There's another Netflix doc came out recently called The American Meme. It features a lot of Paris Hilton and takes a look at how she was the start of the influencer culture and where it's led to. It's worth watching for anyone fascinated by that side of the Fire Fest debacle.

Both are worth seeing then. The Hulu one is more critical of FuckJerry and a clearer explanation of magnises and the original Instagram push. But the Netflix one has better footage of the model shoot (including Billy asleep on the beach!), more interviews with Fyre staff, an extra camera angle on the launch dinner, footage and better explanation of NYC VIP, specific info about his people owing money, etc.

The Netflix one also has the Asian tent destroyer and the woman who's gofundme fuckjerry and others are linking to.

Of COURSE he is r107. He IS Trump. There is no difference between him and the Fattest in Chief.

Exactly r108. The influencer commercial was so stupid! It was so hacky, cheap and dull. Oh, slo mo bikini girls posing? Please, take my credit card! It was so targeted to douchebags it wasn’t even funny. It was like a less oily version of Jersey Shore.

Billy McChunk is from Jersey so...

The Hulu one has Billy (boring, pointless), his parents (boring, pointless), Billy's girlfriend (boring, pointless, Melania-esque).

I'm so out of the loop that I had no idea who any of these models were. There all looked like porn stars.

Fuck Jerry is also the subject of the first episode of Instafamous on Netflix.

Why did the Asian guy from the Netflix one brag about his friend pissing on the mattresses? What a cock.

[quote]I had no idea who any of these models were. They all looked like porn stars

*gasp* my daughter is not a porn star!

Ja Rule??? LMAO

I've started watching the HULU documentary. It takes itself far too seriously. Maybe I am too old to get something out of it.

None of them were actual supermodels. They were instagram-famous models.

R122 Stick with it. It achieves more than the Netflix version did. Obviously there's a lot of overlap in terms of the subject matter which is slightly tedious since both were released in the same week but they are a great example of bias.

[quote]Go Fund Me for poor caterer Maryann. As ever, it’s the black locals who suffer the most. Imperialism really is the highest point of Capitalism.

Fascinating that this prominent local business woman is the focus of sympathy because, why, she squirted out some tears? Because she’s a black wonan and thus rates higher in our age of identity politics? So there’s a gofundme for her despite the fact that she owns a large restaurant.

Meanwhile hundreds of poor Bahamian men, who own nothing and many of whom are supporting families, got defrauded out of weeks or months of salary.

R125 She was featured prominently in the documentary because she was prominently taken advantage of. They bussed the guests into her restaurant and never paid her.

While it's awful the 'poor Bahamian men' didn't get paid, they in no way lost as much as she did. Also, she came across as fucking lovely in the programme. I hope she gets back the money she lost.

[quote]None of them were actual supermodels. They were instagram-famous models.

Um, Alessandra Ambrosio isn’t a supermodel? Elsa Hosk? Bella Hadid? Chanel Iman?

These were many of the biggest models of today, including many VS Angels.

They should have tagged their lists #ad but their involvement was pretty obviously a gig from the start so they had some small involvement but should get a slap on the wrist if anything.

Ja Rule specifically plotted to get people to see the modeks’ Involvement as something more than it was, so there’s more of an element of fraud to what he did. But in the end everyone was putting their faith in miracle worker Billy doing his magic again, because he was duping them into thinking it was magic and not just smoke and mirrors.

lists^^^ “posts”

[quote]While it's awful the 'poor Bahamian men' didn't get paid, they in no way lost as much as she did.

No need for the scare quotes, that’s what they are. Unlike the wealthy restaurant owner. $50000 is undoubtedly a lot of money to her and it’s more in absolute dollars but please, those men, who were not featured in the doc, not given a voice, took a much bigger hit than she did. They didn’t just lose part of their nest egg.

Logged into Netflix to watch and it was ready for me to hit “play”. Watching now.

Ja Rule has spent the day on Twitter defencing himself. Whatever.

He will tell his truth soon.

[quote] I'm so out of the loop that I had no idea who any of these models were. There all looked like porn stars.

I'm with you. Whenever I hear the term supermodel I only think of Linda, Cindy, Christy and Naomi. The girls in the doc were unremarkable.

I enjoyed watching both documentaries. I think Billy lost some weight and didn't look half bad in his interview. Regardless, he is a monster. And, yes, Ja Rule....really?!?!

And who is that Ann Coulter-lite looking lady with the big money? I didn't even catch her name on the Netflix doc.

Oh, and that old queen for sure is or was obsessed with little Billy.

R129, how do you know she's wealthy? She seemed quite sympathetic in the Netflix doc. I'm glad she's now raised the money she asked for at GoFundMe, $123,000

[quote]I'm with you. Whenever I hear the term supermodel I only think of Linda, Cindy, Christy and Naomi. The girls in the doc were unremarkable.

Yes because there should only be one cadre of supermodels and it’s fine for supermodels to be in their 50s or 60s. Keep up grandpa.

R134, she owns a business and it’s pretty clear it’s a big and fairly successful one. As opposed to laborers working in the sun all day putting sand down on the camp site, etc?

She’s not Midas but she’s clearly better off than the day laborers. I’m not saying I don’t feel anything for her — I absolutely do — but of all the Bahamians who got ripped off, she’s not the one brought down lowest by it. It’s interesting how this works — the video with her crying and being very upset made everyone want to give her money, meanwhile there were obviously workers whose families really were deprived because their men worked for weeks/months and didn’t get paid for it. I’m surprised people aren’t seeing this.

R136, obviously everyone should've been paid. I know nothing about her financial situation outside of what was told in the doc but business owners don't necessarily make a lot of money. Hopefully other workers get paid somehow as well.

[quote]The Hulu one goes deeper into the Millennial mindset and tries to explain the mindset of these vapid assholes in a sympathetic way.

I think I understand the mindset but had trouble with sympathy for anyone who lost their money. They wanted fame and instant gratification and they got what they deserved.

I didn't think that the Hulu one was sympathetic toward the morons who bought tickets to this.

The advertising was clearly aimed at horny young males of middling backgrounds and below average intelligence, promising a sex-and-booze/drugs free-for-all outside the bounds of U.S. laws. I'm surprised that so many women seemed to show up (dragged there by their boyfriends, maybe?).

All the biggest people on instagram were peddling this, of course people wanted to go. It was going to be the hot place to be seen.

I find e story of Magnises as interesting if not more so than Fyre.

I'm the one who wrote that the Hulu one tried to be more sympathetic about these assholes. I just meant that it tried to explain why they feel the need to document every moment of their lives and their "FOMO" attitude. I felt sympathy for no one other than the Bahamian people who got fucked over without getting paid for hard labor and their services.

Maybe because Im 38 years old and bought a rotisserie chicken to last for the next few meals but i laughed when these rich assholes paid THAT much money to see Blink-182 on a private island.

One of the joys of being proudly Unhip. No interest in being a part of "the next big thing". Stupid people. Darwinism, indeed.

I mean that is part of the legacy of Fyre Fest and why it blew up so big, a lot of people enjoyed seeing these "over privileged young white people" get scammed.

I totally agree r142.

Was it the Hulu doc that pointed out before all this Ja Rule had a rap sheet and served time. Hardly business partner material.

Hulu has bonus interview material. All it consists of him being asked about being called a sociopath He pauses and the interviewer assumes rightfully he doesn’t know what the word means. So they read the definition he says something I can’t remember. Like someone said he is boring and pointlesss.

Haven’t checked out the Netflix version yet so not sure who hot yoga manbun is, but definitely would snack on this random organizer from the Hulu version.

What was the story on the guy interviewed in the Hulunone was told by male Siri he was misleading and tell interviewer fuck you and walks away ...

These people sicken me .

Is the talent booker gay? I thought i saw him with a limp wrist once in the Netflix doc

I am watching the Netflix one right now. did they have security or medics at all?

One thing I liked about the Hulu one is that they played the Dave Chappelle skit of him roasting Ja Rule. "WHERE IS JA???"

I get why some might prefer the Netflix, it has higher production values and more entertainment value. But the Hulu one is easily superior, more analysis and had more to say.

Who is the skelatal woman who funded Billy? She was played for an old fool.

Loved the talk show guest that said “people paying thousands of dollars to travel to see Blink 182? That my friend is Darwinism at its finest!”

Was blink 182 the only one to pull out?

The Netflix one was better in laying out the dysfunction behind the scenes in the months, weeks, and days up to the event, since the people involved were commenting on what they did and saw, but the Hulu one was better in analyzing the mentality of millennials and 'influencers' and attempting to explain why they do what they do.

R158 It sounds like they were the only ones who publicly acknowledged that they wouldnt be performing. All the other acts never intended to even come when the deposits were never wired to their management in the weeks/months prior.

Blink 182 announced they weren't coming the afternoon of the 27th, and the Festival was officially cancelled by 7:30am the 28th.

That duder from Fuck Jerry in the Hulu doc was hot as a FUCK. Goddamn. With the torn jeans, the beard and the lips.

I'd let him piss in my mouth.

“I had to hide behind a urinal” MARY!!!

The gay guy was delusional if he thought his blowjob was going to be a payoff for a big business deal. Maybe if he was Zac Efron or Shawn Méndes. He should have told McFarland to go fuck himself. Bet it was a big joke the gay guy fell for it.

I had never heard the word ‘influencer’ before at least the Hulu explained it Also wasn’t Hulu the only one one that gave us the disturbing info that Kylie or the other one got 125,000 for a tweet ?

r164, Kendall got even more than that. 250,000 for a post on Instagram. Insane.

People are sorry for caterer Maryann because she personally had to pay for 10 extra staff to feed all the festival goers without being paid by Fyre. She laid out a lot of money and her lines of credit were destroyed - a disaster if you work in hospitality.

I'm watching the Hulu one tonight.

Like the Hulu doc slightly more because from the get go they make it plain McFarland is a bad guy who will probably continue to defraud people. It also mentioned Frye Festival 2 he tried to get started.

I like Hulu one better. I have never seen someone being interviewed says fuck you and leaves. He may have been paid but they got new interviews with McFarland who didn’t really say anything but does come off as a complete scumbag. If you watch the very short added footage they call him a sociopath to his face.

Not sure why we're debating which one was better.

They're best seen as companion pieces, Netflix first followed by Hulu

I always associate the concept of FOMO with Bright Lights, Big City: “Tad's mission in life is to have more fun than anyone else in New York City, and this involves a lot of moving around, since there is always the likelihood that where you aren't is more fun than where you are.”

The Netflix one either revealed that the Bahamian head of customs agreed to get a blowjob in exchange for releasing the Evian (yes, I know, that's so gay) or Papagay was not aware even at the time of the interview he was being taken for a ride.

Magnises was laughed at a lot of Gawker type places. For its name, emphasis on wealth and suspicious-seeming ticket offers for members

Same here, R30. I had to turn it off.

Internet Historian will tell you all you need to know about Fyre Festival:

What I can't fathom is why McFarland cried real tears when the people were arriving to the island and it became clear that he had failed, and the whole thing was a disaster.

Sociopaths don't cry. So who cries? Did he actually believe he could pull it off right down to the last second?

[quote] Did he actually believe he could pull it off right down to the last second?

I think he really does have delusions of grandeur, so yes he didn't think he could actually fail so blatantly.

The tent destroyer that r114 mentions really bothered me. It was a powerful moment in the documentary that showed how treacherous the entire cohort is.

The baby oil guy at the airport was hot.

I think both docs gave "Millennials" and "influencers" too much credit (or blame, if you will) for a magnificent delusional spiral that was really just a classic con job on a group of people that have been gullible since time immemorial: the young.

Not only young, but mainstream and conventional no less. Unoriginal pop bands fronting for the tacit promise of sex, drugs and "luxury" appeals to the lowest common denominator mentality. Billy McFatdouche knew his market.

And to get the bands to agree to it without being paid right off, he promised to pay more than they were worth. The classic dangling carrot. Con artists use this all the time. Any time someone promises to pay MORE than your market value, you can be sure they have no intention of paying at all. If that Comcast investor guy (an older, wiser person) hadn't warned those bands he was working with, they might've been victims too.

Meanwhile those "elite" ticket sales through Magnises was a classic Ponzi scheme although neither of the docs uttered the word "Ponzi" or "pyramid." I guess that would've detracted from the conceit that this kind of scam is unique to our times.

Kendall Jenner walks away with a wire for 250k for a goddam tweet and the working class woman gets stiffed. Ready to boycott every cunt associated with this -- because you know it's just the tip of the iceberg.

Please please PLEASE let anything associated with Kardashian, Jenner or West be brought down in flames and disgrace. We need some major karma.

Anyone have a link for the Netflix doc?

I hope the day comes when the adult children of millennials will say “Jesus Christ, our parents were fucking idiots.”

[quote] The tent destroyer that [R114] mentions really bothered me. It was a powerful moment in the documentary that showed how treacherous the entire cohort is.

That guy is probably a good representative of the douchebags the Fyre Festival fantasy appealed to. Coddled, suburban, middle to upper middle class douchebros in their 20s who've never endured one uncomfortable night in their lives. Probably never traveled to any developing countries before (except for those with luxury resorts).

They felt like badasses for going to an island "owned" by Pablo Escobar, a violent, murderous drug lord. Probably thought they were going to be surrounded by hot pussy based on the promo ads with the bikini models, plus being outside of U.S. laws with lots of drinking and drunk rapeable women. These are people with a "get my nut" mentality, not a cooperative one.

I think the female attendees were lured in by Kendall Jenner and other influencers and thought they were going to touch fame, while the men were hooked by the promise of bikini model grade pussy. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the women got raped during the mayhem by male attendees determined not to end up completely cheated.

The tent destroyer enraged me, r114 and r178.

If you don't remember, this was the guy who bragged about slicing up the tents around his own, and peeing on the mattresses, just so no one would camp around him. Lord of the Flies.

I might not know him, but I know a thousand of him. Now he's the face of all of them.

Wonder how this plays with his home crowd.

Each time I saw an interviewee identified as an "Influencer," a part of me died, and the other part puked.

"Influencers" are the future of advertising, gramps. Get used to it. It's no worse than movie stars and athletes getting paid millions to appear in network TV commercials for stupid aspirational products like cars and sports shoes, or even adult diapers.

Social media is the downfall of our society.

I got my Influencer vaccine back in December.

Influencer are talentless and whorish, not the same.

The Influencers are a big part of the larger problem because so many people live through the fake identities created by their Instagram accounts and other forms of social media. I was a guest on a plane to Palm Beach. A friend of the owner's daughter posted a photo of the interior of the plane and named the owner. The Father, a well known person told the child, a 15 year old girl, to delete it. She refused because she had gotten so many likes. He called the child's parents from the plane and said their child was no longer welcome in his home and would be dropped off at PBI and they should book her a return ticket to New York. The parents were furious, the owner of the plane made it clear his own children are not allowed to post anything indicating their wealth and he was not flexible on his position. The man's daughter was trashed on instagram by the friends of the girl who was bounced. She ended up switching schools. A terrible situation for all concerned.

[quote]Did he actually believe he could pull it off right down to the last second?

He couldn't have believed this, because he didn't pay the artists and so he knew that they weren't coming,

I loved when man bun was telling Billy that the original island wouldn’t work because there just wasn’t the infrastructure to handle the biowaste of 5,000 people. His response was that his company was one about solutions and not about problems. That sums it up right there.

Oh, yeah, Grant is a fucking idiot.

The Netflix documentary said that someone within Fyre was blackmailing Billy with that Fyre Cay website, which had photos of how underprepared the site was. Only very senior people in the organization, apparently, would have had access to these photos. This was underexplored -- who was blackmailing him? Grant Margolin? He seemed like an even bigger shit than Billy, based on the Hulu and Netflix documentaries.

A whole generation of “don’t say ‘no’ to me. I have always gotten anything in life I’ve wanted, starting with mommy and daddy.” The same people who feel they will get the job just by showing up for an interview...and are offended when you start explaining that they the lack the skills that the position clearly needs.

for a generation ALL ABOUT cultural appropriation and treating black people well etc, every one of those little shits had no problem taking over an entire island for their fuckery. I mean the organizers and the attendees.

This kid reminds me of this guy from years ago. He was jailed but came out and was still pulling his shit.

Barry Jay Minkow (born March 22, 1966)[1] is a former American businessman, pastor, and convicted felon. While still in high school, he founded ZZZZ Best (pronounced "Zee Best"), which appeared to be an immensely successful carpet-cleaning and restoration company. However, it was actually a front to attract investment for a massive Ponzi scheme. It collapsed in 1987, costing investors and lenders $100 million—one of the largest investment frauds ever perpetrated by a single person, as well as one of the largest accounting frauds in history. The scheme is often used as a case study of accounting fraud.

After being released from jail, Minkow became a pastor and fraud investigator in San Diego, and spoke at schools about ethics. This all came to an end in 2011, when he admitted to helping deliberately drive down the stock price of homebuilder Lennar and was ordered back to prison for five years. Three years later he admitted to defrauding his own church and was sentenced to an additional five years in prison. As a result of his crimes, he faces having to pay a total of $612 million in restitution—an amount that he will likely spend the rest of his life repaying.

One of my favorite parts of the hulu doc was the part where they asked a couple "influencers" about what they meant by "their brand".

Millennials aren't any stupider than any other generation (possibly), but they have found a new level of obviousness in their embarrassing behavior. Their were popular tools and popularity wars when I was a teen, but I can't imagine anyone owning a term like "influencer" for "popular attractive person we follow like sheep".

Forgot the link

r200 Both influencers mentioned "positivity". Whatever the fuck that is.

The producers must have been wetting themselves at the things people were willing to say on camera. Just no filter or common sense.

The has-been rapper to the hot model looking at him with fuck you troll eyes "get in the fucking water Chanel!" The guy who wants to keep selling pipe dreams to losers “we're here to sell a pipe dream to the average loser.” The gay guy "I was ready to suck dick for water". The attendee brat "my brat friend pissed on tents like we were fighting for the last helicopter out of nam"

[quote] He couldn't have believed this, because he didn't pay the artists and so he knew that they weren't coming

Not true. He thought it would magically come together and he would pay or not pay artists later.

The whole thing has a Jim Jones, Jonestown kind of vibe.

It's interesting b/c I worked for a major British concierge company that has a big celeb, UHNW clientele. When Magnises came out we thought it was a interesting concept and maybe a game changer for upwardly mobile millennials. At the time, we were working on a concept to compete with them. Ultimately it didn't really go anywhere, I left the company, and somewhat forgot about it. Someone made a really good point about the Fyre festival. The marketing was so T&A, straight bro fantasy eye candy that I am surprised that women payed for this and that non-celeb female "influencers" featured in the doc would be promoting this. For a price I guess some will promote anything. I wouldn't have watched these if I hadn't seen the post. Thanks OP.

r204 But no artist would show up without being paid first.

Pay close attention to Billy’s eye blinks per minute. They’re normal to low-normal when he’s spinning his bullshit, but when asked something like why didn’t you take these guests to these million dollar homes you rented, boom! His blink rate explodes as he tries desperately to process the question and create an answer that will allow him to save face. Then note the averted gaze when responding...a sore tell that he is lying.

^^sure tell

[quote]People are sorry for caterer Maryann because she personally had to pay for 10 extra staff to feed all the festival goers without being paid by Fyre. She laid out a lot of money and her lines of credit were destroyed - a disaster if you work in hospitality.

Yeah I’m not disputing that at all.

It’s lovely that she had the resources to do that (and after she did, she still had a functioning beachfront restaurant on a resort island). It’s lovely for her employers that they were able to put food on the table for their children thanks to her generosity (and let’s face it that was also a hardheaded business decision on her part).

But imo the people who deserve our sympathy — and money — the most aren’t getting it. They are the hundreds of day laborers who didn’t have Maryann Roll there to bail them out. These poor men worked for weeks or months and got nothing. And they don’t have functioning restaurants generating incomes, they don’t have “credit lines” to lose, they don’t have the sophistication to set up gofundmes to make back their losses. They and their families go hungry.

R210 I'm not sure they were all working for months without pay. They weren't being paid a monthly salary, they'd have been paid cash-in-hand on a daily or weekly basis.

I highly doubt any of them would have continued to work if they hadn't received anything. They might not have received payment for the last week or few days when Billy et all did a runner but there's no way they'd have worked that entire time without receiving a penny.

I hated all the people in the docs, except the locals.

R211 the Netflix doc says they were working with promises of payment at the end.

r211 r213 J.R. mentions that the workers were being paid at around 6 to 8 weeks out. I suppose this changed as the money started to run out.

R202 I'm guessing that positivity it's a way of saying, we sell dreams to losers for a living. You too can do yoga on some beach, you too can own Louis bags, you too can dine out at Paris, etc...

R214, this is the story of one laborer, from a local newspaper. It would have been even worse for the less skilled day laborers.

[quote]Ian Nicholson, a Bahamian carpenter, told Tribune Business: “I was doing the carpentry the week of the festival. They have almost $5,000 for me right now.

[quote]“We were working these long hours. I was working like three shifts. I did several days with three shifts. I only got one payment from them and nothing more. Everything just went south. No one heard anything. Even the people who came from New York and were working with us never got anything.”

[quote]Mr Nicholson said the lack of payment had resulted imn his light and water being cut off, and he added: “This was a huge setback for me because I left a job to come over to do that work.

I guess it says something about how tumultuous the last two years have been that when I started watching these documentaries, I recalled (incorrectly) that Fyre Festival was pre-Trump.

That old whore who said he was going to give a blow job for water!

What kind of trashy person admits that on camera?

Also: Look at the decor behind him. So fucking cheap.

But how delusional do you have to be to be that age and think a blow job from you is worth almost $200,000?

The Bahamas is so corrupt. I'm sure that demand was a shakedown.

One time, when I was flying out of the Bahamas in a private jet, the airport demanded a cash payment to let us fly out.

r218 The other old whore who first mentioned that looked like he had just taken off the caftan that matched his precious blue scarf.

Very Jonestown vibe r205. I felt it too.

Watched the Hulu doc over the weekend. His explanation for losing the keys to the villas was such a blatant obvious lie it was jaw dropping. He is a sociopath who doesn’t look or act like one so he gets away with it for year, like Bernie Madoff. He’ll do it again, just watch.

R219 Yes, Miss Thing with the scarf and bracelets was mutton dressed as lamb.

I'm pretty sure the old gay's blowjob for water story was a bit tounge-in-cheek and told to illustrate just how desperate everyone was feeling. I imagine that Billy told him to blow the cutoms people if he had to, just Get The Water! And he felt so desperate over the whole situation, not just the water, that he was prepared to do anything, even suck dick. It was funny the way he told it in hindsight.

The tent destroyer is Justin Liao. They're discussing him on Reddit. Someone who purportedly knows him said:

"His twitter handle is @justinsliao. I can concur that the guy is a total shitbag. He is always backstabbing people. He is the type to make you think you are friends until you hear from other people that he is throwing you under the bus to get ahead. He does this to a lot of people, even his friends. The guy has been going down the typical “finance bro” path of doing lots of cocaine and being a total piece of shit human. This documentary highlights a small piece of how bad he really is. He deserves what is coming to him from this documentary. His dad is also incredibly wealthy and influential in the finance world which lends to his entitlement douchebaggery. A lot of people suck up to this kid and his family because of the lifestyle his dad affords him. Michael Y. Liao is his dad for those who want to reach out to his dad and get this entitled pos in trouble."

I believe all his social media has been wiped by now.

It's amazing how he utterly lacked the self awareness to realize what a giant tool he sounded like. It comes so naturally to him that he didn't even consider the backlash.

I though the tent pissing dude was hot. I love douchebros. Actually, I bet his friend that did the pissing was hotter than him.

The funding goal has been reached, with the biggest donations coming from Tebele of Fuck Jerry and Fuck Jerry itself.

[quote]Yeah I’m not disputing that at all. It’s lovely that she had the resources to do that (and after she did, she still had a functioning beachfront restaurant on a resort island). It’s lovely for her employers that they were able to put food on the table for their children thanks to her generosity (and let’s face it that was also a hardheaded business decision on her part).

Bitch, please. You wrote contemptuously upthread about how she received sympathy because “identity politics” meant she gets more attention for being a crying black woman.

A right wing dog whistle if I’ve ever heard one.

r226 I'm sorry what is a Tebele?

If they'd sent hot little manbun yoga guy around giving blowjobs, shit would've gotten done!

[quote]I would prefer being raped by some Hell Angel at Woodstock, than attending some insta-hoe fest.

Oops. The Hells Angels were at Altamont, not Woodstock.

It was stupid for the eldergay to compare this to Woodstock. None of those hippies expected anything out of Woodstock other than tripping balls and listening to some good ass music. These were pampered losers who paid thousands of dollars for blink 182 and other bands no ones heard of.

One thing in Billy’s credit is that he takes complete responsibility for the disaster. I think he really thought it would all somehow work out.

R144, yes, I remember that too from when the festival was originally advertised. My buddies and I had a field day with that - I’m 37 and they weren’t even good when we were in jr high/high school.

Re the eldergay, I don’t understand why McFatty didn’t suggest send one of the Kardashian/Jenner hos to do the deed. Seems right in their wheelhouse. Not some Yankee battyboy.

I love how Billy presented this to the gay guy as being a thing for gay rights.

Despite all the people who were scammed by this, all the planners seemed pretty happy, grinning, laughing, like it was some big joke. The only person I liked was the local woman who worked hard getting the food together. Most of the rest seemed like they ranked high in sociopathic traits.

R228 Tebele is a who.

The Eldergay was second in command yet wasn't even mentioned by the Hulu doc?

So who made those viral shit sandwiches? Was that Maryanns restaurant? If not, who??

Yes who made the cheese with bread sandwiches ?

[quote]What I can't fathom is why McFarland cried real tears when the people were arriving to the island and it became clear that he had failed, and the whole thing was a disaster

[quote]Sociopaths don't cry. So who cries? Did he actually believe he could pull it off right down to the last second?

Because he’s NOT a sociopath. He’s a narcissistic huckster.

There really wasn't a likable person in the bunch.

They ask him about being a sociopath in the Hulu extra footage. He didn’t know what it meant.

I mean...yeah at R223. I imagine THAT describes 95 percent of the attendents. Wh

I love Ja Rule's Twitter post:

[quote] I too was hustled, scammed, bamboozled, hood winked, lead astray!!!

Wasn't that a line from some Mae West movie?

Love this!!!

[quote] I too was hustled, scammed, bamboozled, hood winked, lead astray!!!

hot guys in the Fyre fest doc! Move over man bun. Mick Purzycki – CEO of Jerry Media looking nice.

He was a massive dork

[quote]I’m 37 and they weren’t even good when we were in jr high/high school.

Honey, if you were really 37, you'd know that they aren't called "junior high" anymore.

Where are these alleged "hot guys?" None of the ones I've seen were.

[quote]One thing in Billy’s credit is that he takes complete responsibility for the disaster. I think he really thought it would all somehow work out.

He didn't dis anyone else because he doesn't know if he can use them in the future. And he didn't take responsibility. more than a "mistakes were made" -- he's still lying about what really happened.

"The box with the keys to all the villas was lost."

Sure, Jan.

We need to use our DL sleuthing abilities to find out where that sandwich came from.

I agree with R246, Mick Purzycki made my mussy moist.

THIS pretty much describes everything wrong with Millennial and social media culture:

[quote]Hot to Craft Your Personal Brand. Interactive discussion on how to grow your personal brand & tips on marketing yourself.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R254 she probably was making the most of what she had, since she hadn't planned on preparing meals for the concertgoers.

But festival attendees, who paid up to $10,000 for tickets, were actually served chicken, pasta, burgers and fries and salad, instead of the drooping cheese on plain bread, the source claimed.

One festival goer disputed the TMZ report however, saying that some attendees did get cheese sandwiches, even if they were intended for staff.

'There were two tents to get meals from and they were right next to each other,' Twitter user William Finley wrote in response to the TMZ article.

'Some people got cheese sandwiches. Some got dinner.'

As someone in the age bracket the show was being marketed to, the attendees were exactly who you'd think there were-- a combination of ridiculously spoiled kids/trust funders who are all about social media and a smattering of overly douchey Wall Street bros who wanted to show off how much money they had to girls who were wannabes for the first demo.

I only know one person who went and I'd put "know" in quotes-- friend of a friend of a friend I met once and who is the spoiled daughters of dueling divorced parents who try and win her love by buying her things. While she has an apt in a doorman building in Murray Hill and a full share in EH every summer, there's no sign of any actual job.

McFarland catered to that crew with Magnesis (especially the wannabes and Wall Street types) and yes, the band line-up was pretty lamestream.

Another interview this Seth Crossno/ William Finley character did (that guy is the inofficial mascot of Fyre festival by now)- One of the most famous photos to come out Fyre was a picture of a sandwich with just bread, cheese and lettuce. Was there other food?

Yeah — there was a tent with sandwiches and another section had dinner with barbecued chicken, pasta salad and a bread roll. It wasn't that bad.

Has Billy's nudes been released yet ? You know there have to be some.

Did anyone actually perform at the festival?

It was over before it was even supposed to have begun.

I thought it was bizarre that a day before the concert none of those music acts had their people on the site preparing.

I watched the Netflix one and enjoyed it a lot. Is it worth signing up for Hulu to watch theirs?

I watched the Netflix one. I thought there were some weird unexplored aspects. Why did Blink 182 cancel and how come they were the only one? What was Chuck Schumer's press flack doing hanging out with Billy? Was that old dude actually gay? I was also very surprised so many people spoke on camera. I wouldn't.

I thought at first that the old bloke sucking off the official to get the water through customs was some kind of joke they were playing on him. But he mentioned the official by name.

r262 The Hulu doc is back in R72

yeah, I didn't understand what the Chuck Schumer aide was doing there, they did a horrible job of "explaining" it.

If fuckjerry didn't explain it it's probably because it's to their benefit you not know the specifics.

"fuckjerry" is the worst name for a company, EVER. Seriously, they say that when they answer the phone? Idiots.

I love "fuckjerry" as a name.

But they really pretended like they had no culpability.

r246 That's the CEO? I thought he was just a staffer who booked the talent.

r260 r262 r264 Blink 182 made the point of announcing their cancellation on social media. But none of the talents actually showed up.

r265 Cunningham.

r271 That's the photo that DL picked out automatically from the linked article. That is in fact the talent booker.

R271 are you scrolling down the page? The first guy who comes up on that link was the talent booker. The hottie CEO of fuckjerry is further down.

The person in R246 is not Mick Purzycki.

Andy King is my hero. My life is divided into two parts: before and after I found out he was ready to suck dick to SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES!

[quote] The person in [R246] is not Mick Purzycki.

No shit. You have to click the link.

Hulu has the entire Golden Girls, fFirst season of Handmaid’s Tale , Killing Eve many current TV shows.

That guy is hardly qualified to give a 200,000 blow job. He didn’t even know you use mouthwash after.

It's the thought that counts, R278.

[quote]Fat Affleck could play the guy

This is perfect.

I’m from New England. We called it jr high, not middle school, R248. Not everywhere is the same as in whatever town you’ve never left.

R125. Maybe because Maryann never threatened to take anyone hostage and break their legs.

[quote]Oh, and that old queen for sure is or was obsessed with little Billy.

So was that dim witted, blond, scarecrow heiress he fleeced for $23M. Old fools, both of them

[quote]The advertising was clearly aimed at horny young males of middling backgrounds and below average intelligence, promising a sex-and-booze/drugs free-for-all

Exactly. Reminds me of those stupid Girls Gone Wild infomercials. Remember them? (I'm old). Same deal---ugly, nebbishy troll owner scamming thousands of incels out of their allowance money . He's been in jail for a while now too. Pedo charges.

[quote]Ja Rule specifically plotted to get people to see the models’ Involvement as something more than it was, so there’s more of an element of fraud to what he did

Exactly. And the Netflix doc never really mentions the fact that not one single model was at the event. They were only at the promo--ad shoot.

[quote]I wouldn't be surprised if some of the women got raped during the mayhem by male attendees.

Well, like I told that old queen, everyone has to take one for the team.

[quote]One time, when I was flying out of the Bahamas in a private jet, the airport demanded a cash payment to let us fly out.

Eh, similar happened to me in Venice, Italy when I was booked into a smelly, little closet of a room instead of the lovely suite that appeared on my reservation. They said there was nothing they could do until I flashed some cash. Then I got a gorgeous two story town house suite.

I love that old queen who was ready to blow someone for water. If I ever start a business I want him on staff.

Joe Francis (that repulsive puke) is in jail, r284? When? He deserves every shitty thing that’s coming to him, but when did he go to jail?

It's stunning to me that no one discussed important details like bathrooms, security and medical personnel---all of which are planned out well in advance for legit events. These people were incredibly dumb, and they took a big risk with people's lives. Thank God no one got sick, injured or died. Was this event even insured?

SMH. Some no-name, perpetually drunk frat boy---an over grown toddler with ADD, told them all, "if we build it they will come" and they all just followed him like lemmings. Really?

Re: influencers. After watching both docs I have gone beyond get off my lawn to kill em all. But I asked myself if they were really different from affluent young people in my day and I don't think they are, although there are hundreds of thousands more of them. The original influencer was someone like Joan Crawford who controlled her media rigidly and portrayed her chosen message while taking on advertising jobs. So what we have here is hundreds of thousands of Mommies Dearest trying to get one over us while making bank. Does this mean that one by one their personal lives will implode all over our screens?

If you saw the ticket prices R287, that would have been a VERY generous allowance.

I was staying in a hotel on Jupiter Beach and it burned down around dawn. We had to wade through ankle high water in the halls and charred embers. When we got out, the manager had already set up a card table and credit card machine so we would pay our bill before leaving and getting what was left of our stuff. That's Florida. It seems that Florida and the Bahamas attracts the worst people.

[quote] I guess that would've detracted from the conceit that this kind of scam is unique to our times.

I think this is what I found so off-putting about the one I started to watch (Hulu). The tone is somehow off. People have been getting scammed since the beginning of time. I was not convinced there was anything special about this instance. That seems to be its premise, however, so in a way the documentary falls for the same hype the concertgoers did.

r289, one of the shows mentioned it couldn't be canceled because it was not insured.

[quote]It's stunning to me that no one discussed important details like bathrooms, security and medical personnel

The Netflix one interviews the guy who brought this up and made recommendations. They told him thanks, you can go now.

in r258 link

[quote]No, and when we landed we could tell immediately we weren't on a private island.

You're a real rocket scientist, there Mr. Instagram Documenter.

Not sure why delusional daddy didn't offer blowjobs to the creditors he said followed him after the festival's cancellation. I think there were the head of Bahamian tourism, the president of the U of the B, and others. He clearly had limits on how to take one for the team.

They do look alike but Ben A is pushing a hard 50 while McFarland was in his early 20s.

I notified the pretty YouTube girl got a million dollar home. Did anyone actually stay in the tents? How about security ? People could have been murdered.

I saw Netflix one shortly after finishing 'Bad Blood' book detailing Theranos scandal. I see a lot of similarities between Billy and Elisabeth, mainly that they were both driven not by interest in the field/innovation but rather by lifestyle or adulation they aspired to.

They both started living or embodying that lifestyle before their product were launched or brought soms sizeable income - she started wearimg black turtlenecks and behave like Jobs and he run around in Maseratis. Both of the surrounded themselves with powerful and important people who in turn lent credibility to them.

The ideas they pursued seemed like a next best thing, logical progression from where each industry stood in at given time and people who should have known better (like Walgreens execs or this festival consultant) were driven by a massive FOMO.

When problems started they turned to 'you're with us or against us' attitude, firing people who were pointing out issues. They also started making even more audacious claims - she about the tests machine was capable of and he about additional revenue they were able to generate by selling tickets to exclusive event durung festival (party with Kendall Jenner etc.)

There are probably many more parallels and it is always fascinating to see this type of trick being pulled off.

The finest touch on the Hulu doc was Billy's lawyers issuing the threatening "cease and desist" notes claiming they were ready to sue the first wave of complainers on social media for "defamatory, false and untrue statements" even when they were tentless and trapped.

Didn't he have some sound business mentors who could advise him? His only prior business "innovation" was printing out some fancy metallic credit cards and that should have been a red flag to the stakeholders. Even his sales pitch was shit, and that 250k paid to Kendall Jenner could have pretty much secured the services of a a top flight project manager or event coordinator and helped everyone involved save some face.

They did have project managers and event coordinators. They were fired when they told the truth.

Kendall Jenner should harassed on SM to pay back double her blood money to the Bahamian locals.

^be harassed

Article on the former Fuck Jerry guy who was deliberately left out of the Netflix one by his superiors and colleagues. He was a major part of the Hulu one.

r304 Alyssa Lynch is being dragged on Instagram, and rightfully so. Let's see how well she can keep up her positivity.

Lindsay Lohan's Beach Club should have a Fyre Festival party where they replace the day beds with FEMA tents and the guests have to fight for themselves.

If each one of those vile influencers donated just $50K, or some amount that means nothing to them, it would take care of the day laborers and also promote their "positivity" that they don't shut up about. It would have actually made them look human. I know it isn't their fault this happened, but it really would do a lot for their positive image. What is wrong with these idiots and their agents?

Yeah, why can they use their influence (which exists regardless of my thoughts on the matter) for something good instead of something that benefits themselves?

R310 you obviously don't know a Millennial

If it turns out Maryann made that sandwich she should have her restaurant burned down.

[quote]I know it isn't their fault this happened, but it really would do a lot for their positive image.

Maybe it's not their fault directly, but they certainly couldn't wait to take advantage of that beautiful place and all the hard working locals when it suited their agenda. So, yes, they are responsible and should have their feet held to the fire to help make it right.

I was gobsmacked when I saw Kendal Jenner has almost 100 MILLION followers on Instagram. WHO??!! Seriously, what the FUCK has she done for our society? I fucking hate her and her ilk.

They blamed the catering company for the cheese sandwich on the tweet, though that person could've been wrong about where it came from. The documentary made it sound like thousands of people showed up beyond what was available for housing / tents... so I assume something similar happened with the food (or the statement that it was food for staff might be right).

Even if it was Maryann, she probably was working with scraps at this point. She doesn't have capacity to feed thousands of people. Caterers do, but in the documentary, McFarland forced the blowjob guy to fire their well-established $6 mil (i think?) caterer at the last second and hire someone cheaper. So, the blame for the food fiasco rolls up to him also.

R315 haven't we already been over this upthread? The sandwich was made for the workers, there was another tent with "better" food for the attendees. That doesn't forgive the pathetic sandwich, but it was incorrectly attributed.

Yeah the sandwich bit was misleading, but it was still the perfect image to truly destroy Fyre Fest.

I was replying to r312 ... I don't think I remember it being clarified.

I'm R312 and I was being tongue-in-cheek - imagine the twitter outrage if everyone who contributed to Maryann's GoFundMe realised she was responsible for that sandwich.

r309 I doubt if these influencers have that kind of liquidity. They generally don't get money for their so-called work, just free stuff. Only the "macros" (term used by that insufferable social media consultant in the black turtleneck and mom jeans) probably get money in substantial amounts, and there are only so many of those.

First we have people who hate Trump and those who don’t. I didn’t realize people actually hang on every word mostly every member( except the poor fat male)of that terrible K family. She’s a top model and she’s not even tall. Remember the good ole days when Kim was the first voted off Dancing WithThe Stars ? Even Madonna had a business with Kim.

Say what you will about DataLounge but most of us hate that horrible family.

^^True. We don't agree on much, but I think we are unanimous on that one.

The curly-haired ginger. Who's his BF?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

No one, r323. That guy was fucking annoying.

The guy who created the @FyreFraud Twitter account says he wanted to remain anonymous, and even thanked both Netflix and Hulu for respecting that wish. His name was never put up on screen and yet there he was, with face not pixellated and his voice not altered. Surely he's been identified by now?

Why did that guy who sued have two different names? Did he make one up for twitter? His twitter was William Needham Finley IV but on the lawsuit it was Robert Seth Crossno II. His lawyer called him Seth. I thought that was kind of weird.

R325 William Finley was his Twitter name, he created it to be a satire on old money privileged folk.

...although, to be fair, his real name could have served the purpose.

Ah thanks r326. Makes sense. It worked- the first thing I thought when I saw that twitter handle was that it was an incredibly pretentious name. Made me assume he was a douchebag rich guy.

True r327

The guy who peed on the other tents explains himself in the comments of this post.

Not that I'm a mind-reader, but after having watched both docus I think initially Billy and Ja really did want to throw a great festival, and weren't trying to create a Ponzi scheme from the beginning.

Neither of them had experience in booking talent, managing a massive live concert event, nor had any experience in dealing with land use....and so many other fatal flaws to this project. Even Coachella started small, with an experienced promoter, with a two day festival on a small plot of land with minimal amenities. Each year it grows and offers more glamorous perks. Billy wanted to outdo Coachella from the first incarnation of this festival.

It became a Ponzi scheme when he was borrowing from Jack to pay Jill in multiple directions, hoping that it would all come together and everyone would be happy, and he would be rich - or at least poised to make this happen again the next year, or at the very least have his booking app take off (and feed upon itself for an even better festival the next year).

But the main issue here, outside of the lack of experience, is the lack of fucking work ethic. The docus showed very well that at each and every turn where there was a mistake made, and a chance to course correct, Billy would just go jet skiing or something, and escape from the pending doom, like a child.

r329 They ALL faced the same poor conditions and felt the same uncertainty, but only he and his friends thought to cut up neighbouring tents and pee on mattresses.

Oh I wasn't defending him. Just thought it was interesting this was his "excuse" he posted in public.

I didn't think you were. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound accusing.

[quote]although, to be fair, his real name could have served the purpose

Uh, no. Not even close.

R330 Except, his first venture, Magnesis, was also a Ponzi scheme. So he was no stranger to conning people.

R330 - the Hulu doc gives you a better sense of that, but in the end Billy is still a fraudster with no conscience. He feels nothing about exploiting people. I think Ja Rule is just dumb.

Knowing FuckJerry produced the Netflix doc makes me give the edge to the Hulu doc. FuckJerry is a social media company, so of course they want to protect their brand. In that respect, it felt a bit 'slick' in its depiction of all its 'innocent bystanders' being strung along by Billy. Hulu's doc is much better in that it simply lays out what happened, and identifies who was behind it. Everyone knew this event was going to be a dumpster fire, and in the end it really was about getting paid. And who wouldn't want that, even if there was no end product?

The Netflix one had better interviews. You learn Billy left several members of the Fyre staff with 6 figures in credit card debt.

Back to me, Mick Purzycki.

True, R337 - you likely have to watch both to get an even better picture.

What I love about the Netflix version is how I can almost taste the guys' bitterness over their precious PR work being undone by some low-life dweeb posting a picture of a cheese sandwich. Of course it's the Netflix version (produced by the FuckJerry) that pleads the case that the precious models cannot be held responsible for the festival fuck-up. Because when you can't blame the models you can also not blame the ones who were hired to promote the festival: FuckJerry. Really clever, guys! *LOL*

We live in a time where (social) media hype matters more than the actual product or service it promotes. There are far too many out there who believe PR hype and fall for it every single time even when they get burned and scammed every single time. It is them who give Influencers and PR companies so much power. They just take advantage of the potentialmarket out there (aka rubes) to make money.

Macfarland is such an idiot. He's not even a proper scam artist who takes the money and runs. Apparently he spent almost all (well, except some of it to show off and live like a rock star) on making this shit-show happen. The Hulu version points out that every new scam of his was to cover the losses of the previous one. I believe Macfarland was persuaded by Ja Rule (of all people he worships that guy?) to get this going without having a friggin clue how to execute this very ambitious vision. As a New Age / Law of Attraction nut myself I see some of the "God / the universe will provide ... it didn't happen? Who of you fucking assholes didn't pray / believe hard enough?????" premise of the universe being an easy-to-handle ATM cash machine. With proper time and planning the event would have made them indeed legends. But Macfarland was an idiot for rushing the whole thing (to promote the Fyre app).

And the guy who was prepared to give some official a blowjob to get the water through customs? Well, it was Evian water. The guys at Evian should use that for their own promotion. Evian - So good you'll suck cock for it!

Fyre Fraud (the Hulu Documentary), which - deliberately? - sounds like Wire Fraud, also featured the interesting connection of Aubrey Mcclendon giving money to Macfarland for Magnesis.

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Did the investors actually believe that a festival, that needs to build its own infrastructure, would turn a profit at its first event or gig? Did they look at the actual location and thought that it would fit like hundreds of luxury accomodations and all the concert festival area? What profit margins were these investors promised to receive and when were they expected to get their money back with interest?

R342 even more delusional when they thought they were going to have it on Pablo Escobar's island, which had NO infrastructure at all. THAT would have been an even greater disaster, not only to the environment but people's lives as well.

But I'm sure once the investors saw the initial selling out of tickets/packages they were convinced it would be a financial success.

r343, but then it comes back to the investors believing could Macfarand deliver to the consumers and the investors what he promised?

This scam was build on a PR campaign with meaningless stock clips and images and false documents before there even was an actual location booked for the event. That in itself would have been a giant red flag for me. And, maybe I am cheap, but as a potential investor I would have asked for confirmation that the location is indeed booked and then hire a detective to go there and check the state of the area (if everything is in order and the place is indeed ready to host a festival on the scale Macfarland promised).

Magnises = Magnum + Penises

I loved the Netflix doc so much because it brought home a theme that I have been talking about for years, starting around the early days of social media: in Austin, TX, especially, every time I would look up, some tiny production company would announce they had raised financing of $100 million (seriously) and would be making five films or whatever over the next few years. Bad enough n the press but then they would spend thousands (of SOMEBODY'S money) throwing huge launch parties at the Four Seasons or wherever -- catering, logo on the side of the building, you name it.

And then nothing would ever happen -- because nothing was ever GOING to happen. This breed of dreamer were of the school that it would fall in to place if they just faked it until then which never happens. I, being the healthy cynic, would always ask who would invest millions in a company without a single filmmaker with a pro credit in sight. By the end, I would just look at them in the eye and say, "If I don't see a movie in two years, I am going to make brutal fun of you." I was so sick of hype and spin and all that other shit.

The Fyre festival puts a great face on the same thing, all hype, all illusion and somehow that is supposed to be okay. Glad the fucker is going to jail. Wish Ja Rule, very active in the whole thing, would join him. I thought they were big Magic/Bird partners in all the enterprises.

(Listen to Ja Rule trying to argue that it's just a minor fail and they can move on in the conference after -- THAT'S what I mean by "supposed to be okay". They shot high and failed. I love the guy who says, "No, we lied, it's fraud". And Ja Rule's pathetic attempt to rationalize it as "not fraud but false advertising." jesus...)

In the Hulu version Macfarland does look fuckable. But I still would hide my wallet and smartphone before doing it with him *lol*.

How delusional is his "girlfriend" to stick with him? I assume they're still together -- but is she gonna 6 years for a convicted felon with no money? Next.

The documentaries work great as a double feature, because both cover the event from different angles and it doesn't get repetative.

It's interesting that both end with the interviewee being called by Macfarland (in the Neflix version it's the local foreman and in the Hulu version it's Macfarland's girlfriend). I wonder if that is some kind of inside joke I am not getting?

R350 i saw it as Billy is always working on his next hustle, even til the end.

r351, wow. Thanks. That could be it.

Loved the sassy ex-fuckjerry guy on the Hulu one. He pinged hard. Oren Aks, I think?

Who's had her?

[quote]Why did the Asian guy from the Netflix one brag about his friend pissing on the mattresses? What a cock.

I don't think it was even bragging. It shows the mindset of these entitled millennials. He was just talking about how he would do this thing that would provide him with a minor improvement in condition, but perhaps deprive multiple others of a place to even sleep, as if it were the most natural thing in the world.

Without any moral compass other than "I'm literally all that matters in the world," he didn't even realize what he was saying could be construed as wrong.

What is the dick sucker for water up to now? Did he lose money on this too?

I am not so sure that the Asian guy's friend even exist and he himself peed on the mattresses. Not that he and his story comes off that much better that way.

r355, they all lost money on this, because they didn't get paid for the services they provided.

[quote]I am not so sure that the Asian guy's friend even exist and he himself peed on the mattresses.

Asian guy's friend absolutely does exist!!!

If you allow yourself to be "influenced" by someone like Kendall Jenner you deserve to be scammed to death.

Ok, r359, but not all of the influencers were as disgusting as Kendall Jenner. Several of them were more or less squeaky clean, like Alessandra Ambrosio.

Lots of GoFundMe scammers have done this on a smaller scale. I know a grifter woman who scammed a bunch of people out of money to make a lame documentary. She hustled all her friends, family and acquaintances, even got state grant money TWICE to make the the thing. And here it is....oh......5 years later? Maybe more. I can't remember when it all started. Anyway.....no documentary and no refunds either. What a joke. It makes me smile to think of all her donors (no, I am not one) harassing her until the day she dies. "When is the documentary coming out? Can't wait to see it". LOL.

Is there no relation to Seth Macfarland? They actually look alike.

I would say no since Seth's last name is spelled MacFarlane.

Seth based the character “Cartman” on his cousin , who is the Fyre Festival scammer

[quote] Lots of GoFundMe scammers have done this on a smaller scale.

LOL. I don't think you have to make Datalouge aware of that.

[quote]He was a massive dork

He’s cute...BUT you can also see that he’s insufferable.

So a week is all it took for this to be out of discussion? Great!

Fuck fuckjerry. If you watched the Hulu documentary, it seems that they knew there was know way the festival was going to work, but promoted the fuck out of it anyway.

The guys at FuckJerry knew it was a scam the moment they decided to delete the so called negative comments where customers started to demand actual details about the event.

FuckJerry was still actively promoting the festival three days before it was due to begin. They were posting on instagram "In three days time you'll be dancing on the beach" though there were no beaches at the site and the nearest beach was four miles away at Maryann's restaurant site. They were still promoting it as if it was a private island in the middle of nowhere. They were so complicit it's ridiculous.

I tend to agree with R370, but what was in it for them? They had to have known at that point that they most likely would not get paid, why not cut their losses. Unless they were paid in advance?

R371 They would have been paid weekly/monthly into their bank accounts. They weren't like the other contractors. They continued to work as they were on the payroll.

They knew FuckJerry's reputation would be fucked if the event turns into a disaster and now they are scambling to get that Fyre stink off of them. Hence them trying to control the narrative with their Netflix docu about the event.

The old queen would have impressed me more if he would have power bottomed for the water! A blow job is too easy for an old queen like him ,being the power bottom took some work.

It's virtually impossible for me to have an ounce of sympathy for anyone who even follows these useless "influencers"...let alone the idiots who would buy whatever junk they're posting about. You'd think (in a normal world) this would wake them up to the illusion of social media but I'm sure nothing changed. Baby Trump (Billy) knows how to play dumb people and is void of any decent human emotions. Like the deplorables, they're made for each other.

Fyreinfluencers are people too........ just like Deplorables!

R370, how much did they know about what was really going on down there?

We have to face the uncomfortable truth that some people are asking to be scammed and taken advantage of and guys like Billy Mcfarland are more than happy to do it. Same goes for those who fell for Bernie Maddow's pozi scheme thinking he will make them stinking rich.

We all have access to our own common sense and critical thinking skills. We can't force other people to use their own common sense and critical thinking skills if they refuse to do so.

What was Mr. Blowjob's "Career" that he said he was willing ot risk with the blowjob? He thought Billy was "genius" from "previous ventures?" WTF???

What I didn't understand was when they were talking about Billy wanting to go back after the fest flopped and gather up the unused merch or whatever. Like was he going to put a bunch of janky t shirts and half drank bottles of liquor in a carry on bag or some little ass byplane and smuggle it back into the US??

Last week Bella Hadid posted a message on Instagram asking everyone to cut their right pinky off with a pair of tin snips. I did it. Now I have a personal connection with Bella. #BFFs

[quote] What was Mr. Blowjob's "Career" that he said he was willing ot risk with the blowjob?

He was hired to do the catering for the event. Of course it was his responsiblity to suck dick for the refreshments when the time asked for it.

it's surprising how much better looking he is in the hulu one after he lost weight

It must be the acutely dilated pupils, r383.

He was NOT hired to do catering, he was an Event Planner who was hired as a Consultant. Because he'd worked with Billy at those credit card events like wine tasting. It's all in the doc.

[quote]Last week Bella Hadid posted a message on Instagram asking everyone to cut their right pinky off with a pair of tin snips.

Bella wouldn't know her tin snips from her French tips.

[quote]Fyreinfluencers are people too........ just like Deplorables!

Except the Fyre organizers are social warriors, who worship the rich rappers but don't pay the black slaves!

In the Hulu one they show the Comcast term sheet and it listed osme of the young hotties from the Netflix one (MDave, Sam Coster (?)) as supposedly getting $1million+ or $750K if the deal had gone through!!

[quote] He was NOT hired to do catering, he was an Event Planner who was hired as a Consultant.

It was part of his job to tell the overly intense guy (Brent, or Brant?) that his overly ambitous vision of high end food at the event would not be happening especially after the six million dollar budget was cut down to one million. To oversee the catering was at least part of his job.

They're that too R117!

Loved the influencer's giggle when we find out that she got to stay in an actual home and not in a tent like the others.

Nah, watch it again, he had tons to do in terms of budget -- and then was immediately given the task to "smooth over" Billy's sudden firing of the caterer. It was just one more thing he was given to do that he hadn't counted on, not his real job. That's when he told Grant (?) to forget the sushi chef, etc.

The only local I can't feel sorry for is Delroy. What a douche, making himself look like he was not only intimately involved in planning Fyre Festival but also the voice of reason who could have avoided the disaster if the rest of had listened to him. Please. He was the fucking bartender for Billy and friends. Note also that he was there at the DQ with Billy when he went back to try to pull a heist at customs.

[quote]We have to face the uncomfortable truth that some people are asking to be scammed and taken advantage of and guys like Billy Mcfarland are more than happy to do it.

Nonsense. People don't expect to be scammed since they are used to things normally going well. If you go to a concert you usually get what you paid for. I doubt any of the Fyre attendees "asked to be scammed" by McFarland.

Gee, you mean the people who spend every fucking moment on a smart phone shouldn't do some online research to see that if someone promises you very farfetched things they might be lying to you? Like nobody's ever heard of something called Google Earth, a magic app that would reveal that where the luxury tents are supposed to be in 3 days there is literally NO infrastructure? Indeed, who among this new generation of luddites could possibly be expected to do a bit of homework before spending thousands and thousands of dollars on snake oil?

They fell for the bullshit promotion and the hype.

Let's not forget that all of a sudden customers were informed it's a cashless event and they are supposed to transfer money to their festival wrist-band they'd receive. Was that mentioned in the initial ticket booking?

What happened to those wristbands, BTW? Did the attendees lose their unspent money too?

I'm pretty sure they did, R398.

How was billy selling tickets to NYC VIP stuff knowing he would never deliver? (e.g. Met Gala, VS Fashion show)? LIke how did he think he owuld never get caught when those tickets literally do not exist??

UGH, R400, we are a SOLUTIONS-ORIENTED group, not a PROBLEM-FOCUSED group!

Positivity!

R401 :) you must be an "influencer". "Positivity" is their key selling point :)

The Dutch pilot who taught himself to fly using MS Flight Simulator was the best! And the only voice of reason.

[quote] It shows the mindset of these entitled millennials.

FYRE represents millennials about as much as the douchebags of Woodstock 1999 represented Gen X.

And really, Altamont w/ Boomers if you wanna go back that far.

^ Exactly. So sick of all the DL Boomers decrying "MILLENNIALS" as if there were no douchebags and youthful idiocy present in any other generation of young people in all history.

LOL @ R401.

Looks like a spot of trouble for the models and influencers.

If you are complicit in a fraud, I don't think it is unreasonable to be subpoenaed and have to answer questions in a deposition...even if you only were asked to post something on instagram and cash your check. It's still a lot, given your reach and influence. ..and she did less due diligence on her client than a high end hooker would do for a large sum. That being said, I don't put much actual blame on her specifically (since Billy and his ilk lied to her in a way too it seems), but it should set an example that now she has legal questions she will have to answer for.

What was the purpose of the wristbands, thereby turning it into a cashless event? I feel there was something nefarious behind that but I never caught on.

[quote]What was the purpose of the wristbands, thereby turning it into a cashless event? I feel there was something nefarious behind that but I never caught on.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul. They need cash quickly.

Billy had such delusions of grandeur about Fyre that (among every other insane thing that didn't happen) he wanted it to be a cashless event. Just another "let's be cool" thing to add to the pile of crap. They would've needed much more time to build and test a system that could handle transactions like that, but he didn't care. So, in reality, it was a way to grab more cash at the last minute since they were out of investor money and it was going down in flames.

Billy refused to listen to anybody who told him that the event would need more time and planning. That's why so many of these visionary types fail. They don't have a clue how to execute their vision and they refuse to team up with someone who can do that and talk some sense into them as well. Of course either Billy was a con artist from the start or he just couldn't handle the actual business side of his ventures but insisted he could in order to not look weak.

Andy King on his new fame

All of that for an EST.

I mean, seriously. That blowjob story made no fucking sense.

I love him trying to act like he's Tim fucking Gunn being so out of touch with social media terms.

He should offer a blowjob to anyone who gives $175,000 to the screwed-over island workers.

And an email or Twitter DM with an appropriately clever thank-you meme gif to everyone who gives $100 or more.

It seems like this is something a marketing firm like Fuck Jimmy (so edgy!) should be on top of.

Wow. His hard work paying back the people in the Bahamas must have taken all of five minutes setting up that GoFundMe.

I love that these people, including the influencers, use the word positivity a lot. From them it's like murderous aliens saying "we come in peace!"

Alyssa Lynch was positively a cunt.

Who is the Alyssa Lynch bitch? Just some girl who happens to be attractive and posts on Instagram?

Will the days of these “influencers” ever come to an end, or are we stuck with these narcissists forever now? Once once falls out of fashion, another 10 will take their place. It’s so disgusting, really.

r420 She figured prominently in the Hulu one. She was the one who complained a lot—positivity, my ass—until she found out that she was housed in a huge villa. This is her Instagram. She's been getting dragged there a lot about her Fyre involvement.

These Fyre people... they open a go fund me so other rubes will pay off their debts.

And it worked.

There seems to be something wrong with the blow job queen. It’s like he’s a small child being degraded for being gay. A joke to everyone he worked with.

[quote]Bella wouldn't know her tin snips from her French tips.

She was just reposting the script for $300k.

The whole “influencer” thing is annoying, but the idea that they’re responsible for the events or products they’re paid to promote is ridiculous.

It’s like saying that an ad agency has to make sure a product is safe before they’ll produce ads for it.

r422 It's easier for him to believe that he was being given a mission than that he was being made the butt of a joke. He will go down (wink) professing that Billy seriously told him to give the customs guy a blowjob.

Billy knew he was a fraud. He worked this whole group. He knew what he was doing. Pyramid scheme. Once you lose money... you’re recruited to help make it up with MORE marks. Those who lose money then start abusing.

If billy didn’t use the Instagram models nobody would have bought the tickets. The insta models are mainstream as you can get.

I wonder if Andy King is still a champion/defender of Billy McFarland, especially after seeing the footage of him STILL trying to scam people after he was charged for his role in the Fyre debacle.

There are 100s of memes & basically every straight person alive is convinced the BJ story is real and he's a hero for our times. If someone posted this story on DL, they would be shredded for being an EST within 5 minutes... or perhaps, among the few who believed it, some would've pointed out that it's likely a joke / prank.

He's in nearly every other post on the fyre festival board on reddit. This board was quite amazing when all the shit went down - but now it's just about the 2 documentaries for the most part.

Billy is Trump, trump is billy

[quote][R420] She figured prominently in the Hulu one. She was the one who complained a lot—positivity, my ass—until she found out that she was housed in a huge villa. This is her Instagram. She's been getting dragged there a lot about her Fyre involvement.

I've never heard of any of the influencers, but my reaction to her was "what a cunt."

R529: You must have missed Schumer’s Press Secretary in the Netflix doc, helping his friend Billy in the aftermath. King’s first Instagram post is a pic with him and Gillibrand.

I just watched both documentaries and they were both very interesting. As others mentioned above, the Hulu version seemed better in its storytelling, as I thought the insight into Mlilennial mindset and the culture well-revealed. Personally, I feel the generalization of "Mellennials as stupid" is far lacking in proper nuance and, ultimately, incorrect. I perceive the problem to be that younger people these days are far too willing to allow themselves to be duped, not that they're actually being duped through fraud. One of the big overarching problems that kept coming up in my head was how these younger people could actually believe that a few thousand dollars would allow them airfare on a celebrity chef-catered private plane, bringing them to a tropical desert island to a celebrity-studded event with luxury villa accommodations replete with boozing and fine foods (an article mentioned that the Crossno dude was expecting to receive all that and more for $4). I don't work in finance, so I am definitely not an authority when it comes to numbers. But even a minimal scrutinization of the event should have revealed that an event of that nature should have cost well beyond $10k, if not significantly more. Further, in both documentaries, they kept showing bottom line numbers relating to the cost of the event which seemed suspiciously low. I don't know what $50 mil could buy, but it seemed way to low for an event of that caliber of luxury and scale (granted, none of the paying attendees would have known those figures, but certainly anyone working on the event, with access to those numbers, should have known). I admit, kids are generally stupid, I was myself back in my early-20s; but not one of those people should have thought they'd be getting what was advertised for the prices they paid. And it definitely has something to do with the social media culture. It's as if the social media aspect actually prevented these people from doing due-diligence or thinking critically. Any one else have thoughts on the matter, because I found that to be the most interesting aspect of the whole debacle.

[quote] I perceive the problem to be that younger people these days are far too willing to allow themselves to be duped,

especially if they're being duped with a bunch of "social media influencers", r432. That makes any embarrassment worthwhile.

Both the Fyre fest docs and the Andrew Cunanan show (now on NETFLIX) have similar themes I find fascinating: it wasn't enough for people to throw a concert but it had to be a LUXURY concert with villas and sushi chefs and all that bullshit. Everyone wants "the best"as Cunanan would say. So fucking stupid that it's a joy to watch them show up and see how duped they are. You can't tell me the kids at Woodstock went in expecting satin sheets (and it helps that nobody was promised that).

The experience was immaterial- if you put me and my older millennial friends anywhere tropical with pallets of booze, tents with beds and a stage- we would have had the time of our lives.

This was only about pictures.

That's a really good point, R435.

The amount of money they paid was for more than a shitty tent with camp food and no entertainment r435.

If it had been priced cheaper, I would get your point.

The kids of today are such fucking cunts. So entitled. No wonder one of their own fucked them.

How much would festival tickets actually cost, if there were top acts, luxury accomodations, and all sorts of models and influencers being paid to attend?

Would 50K be enough to cover 1/5000th of the actual cost?

R437, yes but never in my young life was I such a little shit that I was more concerned with getting my (parent’s) money’s worth than getting laid. Let’s be real. These kids are a different breed.

Omg my Gen Xer partner just said “it would’ve been called the Pissing Fyre Fest” by day 3 with his cohort.

“What am I going to do with just a bunch of mattresses, alcohol and gym bunny hard bodies?! Where’s my sushi?!”

I love Billy’s body type even if he is a festering pustule of malignant ooze.

I wouldn't have understood most of what Billy said in the Hulu interview without captioning. He slurs the first few words of every sentence, like there's some rush to get the thought out. Maybe because he was fucking high, as his pupils clearly showed.

Billy sure seemed to drink a lot.

KNOTTY PINE!?

Andy has rosacea.

Lol r445! Thanks for reminding me of that. Definitely my favorite line of that season.

Festivals don't make money off of selling tickets. Ticket sales to festivals are only a part of how festival organizers (the ones who know what they're doing; not the Fyre people) turn a profit.

Festivals make money through sponsorships and promotional partnerships. These arrangements can substantially change the underlying cost structure (like if, say, there were an exclusive alcohol partnership with Diageo) or generate large sums of money (like a promotional partnership on festival swag or something like that). This is obliquely referenced in the Netflix documentary by the "festival consultant."

But even still, as some have pointed out, the fact that the Fyre organizers were advertising some ridiculously cheap all-in package (what was it, like $1,000 for flights and food and five nights in the Caribbean?) should have tipped off anyone with any common sense that they were not operating above board.

Exactly, R448.

Coachella's success is borne on the Heineken & Absolut sponsorship among others, where all the $$ is made.

Well, they had Magnesis.

Fyre Festival was supposed to be a promotion event for the Fyre app (a booking app where you can hire celebs for your own events and parties). It shows that Macfarland had no fucking clue about how to go about it if he thought he could just conjur up a festival venue in the middle of nowhere within a couple of months, ready for the app's launch (that's why it had to happen in that timeframe and not later).

A cheap fuck like me would never give someone like Macfarland money because he's such a great talker and so passionate and convincing. He comes off like a total douchebro desperate to keep living that privileged douchebro lifestyle. And no way would I want to contribute to that.

Scammers scam.

Here is the in depth interview with the festival consultant (hot yoga guy). He goes into more detail about how he managed to work for Fyre etc.

Marc is a very likable guy. He will survive this. The cute booker guy too, I hope. The rest can all go away, including fucking Ja Rule, what a douche.

R445 He was going to blow somebody. He's such an old thing. In gay years he's 100. Not even a bi-curious guy would get blown from an old white bore like him. A young black or latino on the other hand.....

Maybe it's because I watched the Netflix version first, but I liked it better than the Hulu version

The Fyre guy was a textbook example of psychopath. One does not have to commit murder to be a psychopath. They do a lot of damage like bed bugs, rodents and cockroaches.

I remember music concerts in the 80’s it was about the music not luxury and LOOK AT ME!

What r457 said

[quote]Billy is always working on his next hustle

Even after it failed he was already planning the next one for 2018

[quote]How much would festival tickets actually cost, if there were top acts, luxury accomodations, and all sorts of models and influencers being paid to attend?

No models were in attendance. They were only in the ads to create a fantasy of exclusivity. Brilliant marketing really. How much do you think rich, entitled regular Joe idiots would pay to have a shot at hooking up with a supermodel? There is no limit. In reality, none of those women would be caught dead in the same room (or on the same island) with any of those dumb fucks.

I'd pay an extra $1,000 to touch a model's boobies.

So fucking glad i am gay. Those models aren't fit to touch the hems of the true supermodels of past decades. They look like the whores on the boat of that Korean guy who promises to teach schmucks how to get rich.

But someone needs to take cute sweater booker guy and turn him into an actor or at least some kind of on-camera host. He is adorable -- and smart. And sexy as hell.

Oh please, R463. If they advertised this shit show with the hottest gay porn stars you would fork over your last dime.

It was more “Carnival of Souls” than “Woodstock”.

Woodstock will never be duplicated. That time has come and gone.

[quote]Say what you will about DataLounge but most of us hate that horrible family.

[quote]^^True. We don't agree on much, but I think we are unanimous on that one.

Wrong. There are [bold]considerably more[/bold] people on this planet [bold]far[/bold] more worthy of my hate than the Ks, who are an easy target for projection and displacement.

Nope , R464. Gay guys are different. They like seeing porn maybe but they have no real interest in hanging out on an island with porn stars. No way. It's beneath them in general. Nobody wants to talk to those guys.

Pussy hounds, a different story, and thank God I am immune to it.

What will happen to all those professional influencers when they’re no longer young and marketable? More than any generation before them, they seem to believe they will never become old and irrelevant. I predict a lot of suicides among 40-somethings, twenty years from now.

Models of the 21st century are not models. They never will be models. Because they slithered out of a celebrity’s poontang doesn’t make them a legitimate model. It’s called nepotism at its worst.

The gay guy is most certainly a DLer.

Even down to the way he worships Billy and clearly harbors hope that Billy will get drunk enough one night to let him blow him.

I can hear him weighing in on threads about how everyone thinks he's ten years younger. How he love Millennials and has so many Millennial friends. How he misses brunch and the 80s. And about the tastefully elegant clothing and furniture he owns and judges all potential love interests for not having.

[quote]Even down to the way he worships Billy and clearly harbors hope that Billy will get drunk enough one night to let him blow him.

This is the whole truth and nothin' but the truth.

[quote] They like seeing porn maybe but they have no real interest in hanging out on an island with porn stars. No way. It's beneath them in general. Nobody wants to talk to those guys.

I wouldn't say nobody, but I agree that the market for gay porn fans willing to travel outside the US to meet and greet gay porn stars they could meet at some local porn event (or club gig) is indeed significantly smaller.

Someone upthread was trying to insult us with the idea that we are as big of dick hounds as straight boys hoping to meet models at a party where they aren't going to be (and, even if they were, they'd be hiding in VIP section). No way we'd pay to fly anywhere to meet a porn star, though I agree it was fun seeing them in West Hollywood, shopping at Mayfair. Or signing dildos at Circus Books, pretty funny.

I don't think gay porn stars are on the same level as female high fashion models. I could see some gays paying money believing they could party with hot male finess models who grace covers of Men's Health and other fitness and muscle magazines (or popular instagram hos of the muscle jock and fitness variety) and hot TV stars from, say, CW shows who have their shirts off most of the time. But the gay demographic is fairly small compared to the straight demographic.

Agreed. Fairly small and nowhere near as desperate. "Hot chicks" are still a prize in the hetero world especially for less hot men. An older gay man with a hot twink usually gets scoffed at in ours.

New Republic questioning the Netflix doco's motivation.

There's something sexy about Billy.

Not really.

Billy looks like a mouth breather, wonder how long the hot model girlfriend will stick with him

I bet Billy convinced the model that he has plenty of money hidden away for them living big. And that's either true or, like everything else, bullshit. But she keeps quiet about it and plays the vapid loving girlfriend.

Billy looks like he can't close his mouth over too big veneers and he will always be a little fat

Billy looks like Louis Litt from “Suits”