Kevin Spacey SEXUAL ASSAULT! SEXUAL MISCONDUCT! INAPPROPRIATE TOUCHING!

First!!

Yeh, we already heard

Very thought provoking article published by Slate arguing that the context of different environments should be taken into account and that sex positive gay spaces are being threatened.

[quote] Most dangerous about this kind of thinking is that it reduces our essential ongoing conversation around sexual assault to a micromanagement of gestures, not just in properly de-sexed environments like offices and business relationships, but also in supposedly sex-positive spaces. To enforce a code onto all queer spaces which says that physical contact—even looking—is inherently “improper” risks imposing a paranoia into our still much-needed havens for sexual expression. I don’t think Henry or Ambinder intend that degree of regulation (Moore perhaps does), but we should nevertheless be more diligent when terms like inappropriate become interchangeable with violation and assault. For many, including the current vice president, all homosexual acts are considered inappropriate. All the more reason for us to be wary of this casual use of terminology.

[quote] “Over the last three decades,” Gessen writes, “as American society has apparently accepted more open expression of different kinds of sexuality, it has also invented new ways and reasons to police sex.” This kind of policing should be challenged. Our whole LGBTQ movement began as a refutation of the policing of our spaces. And questioning this level of regulation should not be seen as an opposition to the larger fight against sexual assault, particularly as it occurs in workplaces. Henry is right when he says that gay men have a responsibility to ensure our spaces remain vibrant and explorative, as well as safe. The last thing I want for our cherished gay spaces, however, is that safety translates as sex-phobic propriety.

There are many subcultures within the gay community, all of which are sex positive. These sex spaces exist because even today in most of the country and most of the world, gays are discouraged from more public displays of affection. Sure, gays have been more accepted, but decades of normalization hasn't changed the fact there still exists a double standard. This doesn't even account for the fact that gay male couples have a different dynamic than straight couples. Mainstream acceptance should not mean erasing our culture and history in a broader attempt at acceptance.

Netflix insanity.

[quote] The most controversial alleged rule was the decision to limit eye contact between staff members. "Looking at anyone longer than five seconds is considered creepy," the runner said. "It has sparked jokes, with people looking at each other, counting to five, then diverting their eyes."

[quote] Other updates to the harassment policy claim staff members cannot flirt with one another nor ask for each other's phone numbers. Further, "lingering hugs" have been banned.

[quote]This doesn't even account for the fact that gay male couples have a different dynamic than straight couples.

Which 'dynamic' in particular?

R5, not dating at work and limited body contact is standard in any professional setting. In many jobs you are not allow to give gifts to one another unless you have cleared it with management.

[quote]Which 'dynamic' in particular?

I wonder if that poster is referring to the interaction between men, which is indeed different to interaction that a man would have with a woman. Men are more raunchy, physical, and understand each other better than hanging up with the opposite sex. Even in straight marriages, most men have different personality when they are around the "boys" than when they are home with the wife./girlfriend.

I'm convinced Spacey himself is posting on these threads.

The only reason this is so confusing is because one generation failed to convey any understanding of the topic to their children. So the children have a sense of moral indignation, but no critical thinking skills to back it up.

This stuff has been parsed over and over again these past 40 years or so. The elephant in the room is that despite knowing what sex harassment is, institutions did little to stop it, and tit-for-tat remained/remains a common way of doing things. Despite that in many of these cases, the sex harassment behavior is criminal.

The good thing is that this generation is morally indignant about the situation. The bad thing is that this generation doesn't have good skills at discerning precisely what sex harassment is, or how best to prevent it.

The Kevin Spacey story has nothing to do with the conduct of gay males in sexualized spaces. He groped an unwitting guy in a restaurant.

Thank you to the poster who recommended the Miami Herald series on the Jeffrey Epstein case. In the previous thread.

He may be that desperate, R9.

And alone.

R12 i dont think he is alone, nor has been left alone for one minute.

I also thought he seemed very very angry in that video as frank. He is a master actor and can control himself in his voice ect but i thought his eyes showed great fury. Eyes being windows to the soul and all that. He is clearly complicated and unusual person.

Spacey might try to sell some insanity deal and this video would be part of the strategy.

This video is what happens when you are cut adrift, he has no team anymore to guide him away from his more ridiculous choices.

R4 Good for the author, and for Slate for publishing that article. Whatever you think of Spacey, printing a piece like that in today's censorious environment, where a wrong word can destroy a career, takes a fuck load of guts. While I support the rights of harassment victims ,I'm sick and tired of this McCarthy like attitude towards discussing sexual complexities.

[quote]The Kevin Spacey story has nothing to do with the conduct of gay males in sexualized spaces. He groped an unwitting guy in a restaurant.

Yeah, and it seems like Spacey has groped or harassed multiple guys over the years based on all these allegations.

He's given gays a bad name.

Team Kevin. Fight gay panic bullshit!

Kevin Spacey and social media don't mix anymore. Although he was one of the first, to herald the advantages of social media years ago it's now become his worst enemy.

The timing of the posting of the video, Xmas eve says a lot. Why was he not too busy visiting family ? Did he post then to get back at his brother? His book came out xmas eve 2017. Did Spacey want to deliberately irritate his Lawyers, ex HOC work colleagues, ex staff, ex lovers, VICTIMS, the entire London Theatre world, Old Vic, Hollywood. Gentle Path staff... It's as if he was saying forget Christmas, forget your personal lives it's all about ME !!!

Does he have any close friends left?

Agreed anger seeps through that video.

R19 Perhaps he would rather people remember his return channeling one of his most iconic characters rather than sadly walking to a courtroom.

Dana ? Evan ?

[quote] The good thing is that this generation is morally indignant about the situation. The bad thing is that this generation doesn't have good skills at discerning precisely what sex harassment is, or how best to prevent it.

They still don't. See R5.

R10 The real problem is a lot of younger people haven't been taught to set proper boundaries or even experience sex in a healthy way. Too many of theme experience it behind a tv or phone screen. Younger parents are also more hands off with their kids due to all these technological conveniences and would rather extend blame than take any real responsibility.

R22 Errol Flynn and Charlie Chaplin endured being famous and court cases in the 40's but they never did anything like this beforehand.

Has Spacey played too many charaters too well. What lies behind his master actors mask ?

I still think the video is cleverly meta, but is of him mostly addressing his Hollywood "friends" who were too happy to shift the blame off themselves by making him a metoo target. Every single allegation, no matter how spurious, was given disproportionate media coverage and those most guilty were the ones who helped perpetuate it. Those who think he's being brazen, or bragging about his behavior, clearly don't understand the video, or have already made up their minds about him.

Did I dream this or did Kevin's brother once said their dad would often brutally rape Kevin ?

I can see how this could twist a man like that, and it would explain his compulsive need to grab and touch guys without their permission.

So where is his hot PR guy/lover he took to the Emmys ??

If I'm in a backroom of a cruisy gay bar or at a bath house, I expect to be groped. I also expect that if I politely but gently guide your hand away, you'll take the hint and move on. I also feel free in such places to grope guys, and if they're not into it, they'll push my hand away, and I'll move on.

Outside of those spaces, such behavior goes from expected/acceptable, to verboten.

A straight restaurant isn't a place where an old guy groping a hot waiter or barback is ever acceptable.

Did Kevin groomed Evan Lowenstein to make him in his image. Evan will continue the Spacey legacy when Kevin is out of the picture.

Hopefully Evan will get himself a nice twink suitor.

Exactly R29 , but that won't cut any ice with our own gropers indignant that Spacey ( and themselves ) can't grope freely, they live in a past heavy with shame and the inability to have a full life and are mind-boggled by the changes that have taken gay life in directions they resent.

You can't grab someone's cock/pussy, I don't care whether it's in straight or gay relations. It's valid as an escalation from making out. Was Spacey making out with ANY of these guys? No. Every single story is that he just all of a sudden stuck his hands down their pants and grabbed their cock & balls. If you two haven't even kissed yet then no, you don't have plausible deniability.

Unless you're in a bathhouse or backroom, R32.

Which Spacey wasn't in any of the incidents he's accused of R33

" I seriously doubt Spacey would grab anyone with whom he wasn't even getting along (if he randomly grabs at all, which I still doubt)."

Literally every single person in the entire movie and theatre industries just burst out laughing.

Again, he randomly grabbed the cock of the Crown Princess of Norway's 20-something husband under the table at a Noble Prize ceremony dinner. Kevin grabbed random cock whenever, wherever, everywhere, and "young & taken by surprise" was his primary kink.

[quote]A straight restaurant isn't a place where an old guy groping a hot waiter or barback is ever acceptable.

Women wait staff get groped and worse all the time at straight restaurants, bars and clubs. It may not be legally acceptable, but it's sure as fuck culturally acceptable. Kevin is a creep, but he's angry that he's seen het actors, producers and directors do the same as him, and get away with it.

[quote]Again, he randomly grabbed the cock of the Crown Princess of Norway's 20-something husband under the table at a Noble Prize ceremony dinner

Cmon. Who laughed at this. I know I did.

I know you want it, R32

[quote]Kevin is a creep, but he's angry that he's seen het actors, producers and directors do the same as him, and get away with it.

But het guys are getting called out for it now, too.

R37 What room does he have to be upset? He's basically the gay Harvey Weinstein, they both got away with it, and they're both getting the same comeuppance.

That said, Harvey fully went through with actual rape-rape; Spacey seems like he'd be turned on as fuck to do the same (force himself on someone out of nowhere, like Harvey & Annabella Sciorra et al), but so far the accusers only say that they felt like Spacey was about to rape them, not that he went through with it.

My guess is he did, at least once.

I seem to recall a story about Spacey sexually assaukting a driver on the HoC set. And it wasn’t a simple “grab him by the cock” thing. There seem to be so many stories about him (like Trump), that some of them seem to fall out of memory.

Thanks, Kevin Spacey at R27. Are you posting while drunk on DataLounge again tonight?

The Guy Pearce video was pretty damning. "Kevin Spacey. Difficult person to talk about. Great actor. He's a handsy guy. And good thing I was 29, not 14." His face and tone....he found Kevin pretty out of bounds.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R44 There is no actual video since snapchat videos disappear. It's alleged he sent the video to his girlfriend but the very fact that he was snapchatting at all is strange in itself since it shows that the alleged victim was physically capable of leaving or pushing Kevin's hand away.

Latest developments....

There's definitely enough to move forward with a case, but a conviction might be iffy.

Of course he was capable of defending himself, that's not the point R45 . He was entitled to stand in a restaurant unmolested, he shouldn't have to think about self defense, but with Spacey in the house every boy has to prepare for a gropin'. It seems to a few here it is impossible to molest a guy, they are all up for it unless they show otherwise by running from their assailant screaming, and if they can't handle a sleazy guy then fuck them, they are probably some kind of frau, you guys are such dinosaurs.

Re the question on the other thread about the victim drinking, I suggest you read the documents linked in that thread, which are also on TMZ. The victim had finished work and it was around midnight before the drinking and groping commenced. He was a busboy in a pretentious restaurant in Newport that also has a bar and a piano player. It caters to the wealthy old folks who summer there. That is where the incident occurred. Links to the restaurant itself are also in Part 1.

R45, the police have the video, so you are incorrect.

I remember watching the episode of HOC whee Claire, Frank and Meetchum had a three way and I was like, "Huh. That felt outta left field." And - poof - meetchum is killed off early into the next season. Has anyone heard from that actor? undoubtedly Spacey demanded that be written into the script.

Came away thinking that Spacey is mentally ill. Also that it could be an act to mount an insanity defense. The dyed hair and drawn on eyebrows and the shading around the nose makes him look sinister. If that was the effect he was going for then that's a Bingo! Then there is the bizarre speechifying in Frank's voice implying that he may be out of touch with reality. At the least he's a handsy creep who likes to hit on men who might not be gay or open to sex with him. At the worst he's a serial sex offender who doesn't take no for an answer. And can apparently get very aggressive. Imagine being a fourteen year old boy and having this piece of shit chasing you around the room? NIGHTMARE.

[quote]There is no actual video since snapchat videos disappear.

Some people save snapchat videos.

[quote] Of course he was capable of defending himself, that's not the point [R45] . He was entitled to stand in a restaurant unmolested, he shouldn't have to think about self defense, but with Spacey in the house every boy has to prepare for a gropin'.

Who in their right mind would allow someone to grope them for 3 minutes if they were not OK with it? Come to think of it, why would you decide to have 10 drinks with someone who up to that point, was already openly flirting with you and showing signs of interest? I was originally under the impression that the young man was claiming to be utterly intoxicated but this shows that he was physically and mentally capable of protesting Spacey's advances or leaving. He could have also told Spacey the truth. We are supposed to believe that he allowed Spacey to grope him for 3 minutes because he was starstruck. Give me a break.

[quote]you guys are such dinosaurs.

And yet, you love visiting our site, and posting in our threads. Why not exercise some integrity, and fuck off?

It's not 'your' site, you and your ilk bring nothing to it .My integrity wouldn't allow shitbags like you to strut around spouting your shitty views unchallenged, how's that for integrity you old cunt?

Man who accused Kevin Spacey of sexual assault may have filmed alleged groping

R53 is either a FRAU or Spacey himself.

It will be interesting if the case goes ahead. So far I've only heard one version of the incident and it doesn't make much sense.

The sad toupee at R56 is a very tragic addition the the Spacey look, it's not in the least realistic and it's mean dimensions suggest a merkin that lost its way, is it some kind of self punishment?

Bump

[quote]I remember watching the episode of HOC whee Claire, Frank and Meetchum had a three way and I was like, "Huh. That felt outta left field." And - poof - meetchum is killed off early into the next season. Has anyone heard from that actor? undoubtedly Spacey demanded that be written into the script.

I can't remember if we discussed this in the previous thread, but Spacey was banging Nathan Darrow on the "Richard III" tour.

This guy's mother was the very first person to come forward with allegations against spacey on Twitter may weeks, if not months, before Anthony Rapp. I tried to write an entire story on all the people harassed after joyning her original twitter thread now deleted but DL is now censoring my posts with a 69 error, so I just gave up.

On her original thread, it was very established her son was gay, since many gay actors chimed in with stories about both Spacey and Bryan Singer. One guy in particular who was living in San Diego, claimed he was harassed by Singer while working at a pizza parlor in West Hollywood and I followed the thread as he was then harassed by threatening phone calls to the point he deleted his twitter and facebook. This happened at least a couple of weeks before Anthony Rapp came forward with his Buzzfeed article. I'm surprised no one mentions this.

I'm not defending Spacey; however, I still find it hard to believe that Spacey went from sitting there with young guy never touching him at all until this one big pounce with his hand down the young guy's pants. You mean to say that there was never any light flirty touching by Spacey on the hand, arm, knee, thigh before the big dick grope in side the young guy's pants?

If they were together for a considerable period of time (which they seemed to have been since they had drinks, and the young guy wasn't drunk the entire time), then I would guess that Spacey must have first touched the guy on "neutral" parts of the guy's body first. Didn't he? If Spacey touched the guy's hand, knee, etc., first (which I assume he likely did), why didn't the young guy object then or leave earlier? Why did the guy wait until Spacey's hand was down his pants? Did Spacey really go from not touching the guy at all--to a surprise dick grope down the guy's pants? Was there really was no flirty touching on the arm, shoulder, etc., before the dick grope? Really?

Empress Singer is trying to stop the publication of an Esquire investigation into her crimes that is reported to be 'devastating'

You are defending Spacey R64 . Amused at how the old school gays think a Spacey gropin' would be avoided if the wussy victim grew a pair, I guess Spacey would then have more to grope, which seems to be the main concern of the old schoolers , what a group, identifying with knackered, pathetic creep Spacey.

WHAT IS SO FUCKING DIFFICULT ABOUT THIS?

CONSENSUAL SEX IS OKAY. NON-CONSENSUAL SEX IS NOT.

Groping a dude in a backroom is generally considered okay; you both signed up for it, and if you're not interested you back off. Simple.

Spacey gets off on groping young impressionable (powerless) guys because he KNOWS IT'S ILLEGAL. He gets off on the danger.

[quote]I tried to write an entire story on all the people harassed after joyning her original twitter thread now deleted but DL is now censoring my posts with a 69 error, so I just gave up.

DL is back to normal, just now I think.

It's not difficult is it R67? Sadly there is a strain of gay life represented here that clings to the Spacey philosophy as it mirrors their own, it's all things negative, the closet, furtive fumblings and anger at out gays ( gayface etc) , throw in a vicious dislike of the modern world and it's ' PC gone mad' ways and you're left with some real gems!

For those who think the young guy can't handle it, this is why he pressed charges.

[quote] The alleged victim told police he was embarrassed by the incident and the trooper wrote in the report that it "has not had a 'profound emotional effect' on him," but the alleged victim said he called police because he didn’t want what happened to him to happen to anyone else, according to the documents.

This has been going on for years and no one pressed charges because of embarrassment. He entered a rehab center but had no intention of finishing it. He probably thinks he doesn't have a problem. I hope he gets convicted and becomes a registered sex offender; they will force him to go into treatment.

Along those lines, R69, Rush Limbaugh had this to say about the Kavanaugh case:

[quote]You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing," the conservative commentator said, according to audio released by Media Matters for America. "You can do anything — the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything — as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation, then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left.

I used to say half-joking that conservatives can't figure out what sexual consent is. Turns out they really have no idea.

R27 What do you mean by saying 'the video is cleverly meta'?

Is 'meta' an adjective?

From r4 linked article:

[quote]To enforce a code onto all queer spaces which says that physical contact—even looking—is inherently “improper” risks imposing a paranoia into our still much-needed havens for sexual expression.

Well, that's retarded.

Who ever called for [italic]that?

The writer of that article sounds paranoid.

[quote] r37 Women wait staff get groped and worse all the time at straight restaurants, bars and clubs. It may not be legally acceptable, but it's sure as fuck culturally acceptable.

No. At least not in my 30 years of off-and-on experience being a restaurant / cater waiter in many different establishments. (I'm an ARTIST!!)

I have never seen a waitress physically handled by a customer. The customer would get a pitcher of ice water upended on their head, then be thrown out by management.

I'm not saying it's never happened, or never ever happens...but it's certainly not [italic]routine.

R73 - that’s been the result of metoo in many professional & social spaces.

R70 Those two accounts are in direct conflict with eachother. We're supposed to believe he didn't come forward because he was too embarrassed or afraid. If he wasn't and cared about other victims, why not come forward right then? According to the court doc, he initiated the conversation with Spacey, lied about his age, spent over an hour with him, had over 10 drinks, and had the wherewithal to use his phone to record and send messages while Spacey groped him for 3 minutes. He then goes home and doesn't report the incident.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the woman told him to leave because she either recognized him from the restaurant or found out he was underage.

R64 If he didn't pull away during the dick grope, why would he have when Spacey touched him on the shoulder or leg?

R77 There are so many flaws in your version of this story, I don't know where to start. Let's start with the end -- he did report it, he reported it to his girlfriend and his mother, and probably other people. Did he call the police ? No, probably for many reasons a normal person would understand - it would jeopardize his job at the restaurant, might embarrass his mother who's a public figure, embarrass him, etc. If you see the video, and see Kevin Spacey groping him, will you believe it happened ? If I start talking to a famous person, tell him I'm older than I am, and get drunk with him, does that make me his property ? And don't we always ask where the proof of sexual harassment is ? The video, if it surfaces, is the proof. But you'll have other excuses by then, won' you.

[quote] r76 that’s been the result of metoo in many professional & social spaces.

If it has been, then that's probably a good thing.

But that bit from the article in r73 is about "all gay spaces". Not about workplaces, or general social situations:

[quote][italic]To enforce a code onto all queer spaces...

R72, yes, 'meta' is an adjective. I mean... DUH.

SPACEY WILL BE CLEARED! A brief Snapchat video Unruh’s son allegedly took on his phone — and which lawyers on both sides of the case now have copies of — shows someone’s hand touching another person’s shirt, but does not show anyone being groped, Jackson said.

Spacey’s attorney also zeroed in on the fact that Unruh’s son told investigators that Spacey allegedly groped him for about three minutes, but also told them that he did not move away from Spacey nor did he tell Spacey to stop.

R80, if there was video evidence of the incident, why not come forward after it happened? He had proof. What would be the embarrassment if he had video evidence? This makes even less sense. Something isn’t right with this case.

R82 No, Meta is a 19th century woman's given name, often used by German Jewish families. Only repulsive hipsters use it any other way. DUH.

Sorry, no. "Meta" is used all over, your ignorance notwithstanding.

It's valid. It's a word.

met·a

adjective: meta 1. (of a creative work) referring to itself or to the conventions of its genre; self-referential.

R84 No, something isn't right with your brain. Imagine you're 18, in high school, drinking underage in the place you work at, half a mile from where your family is staying for the summer. Some guy you thought would be cool to meet treats you like you're a piece of produce at the supermarket. Get it now ? A little bit ?

Didn't the kid work at the restaurant where the kid was served drinks? Why isn't the mom and the police charging the bartender for serving the minor-employee...?

R86 Self-referential, hmmm. Yes, I think your new drag name should be Meta. Meta SmarmygeekeekonDL, something clever like that.

R71, I can't understand what Rush is trying to say.

R80, he called the police in 2016. I am not sure when the even occurred though. From article in R56.

He reported the assault by telephone to Nantucket police in late October of 2016, the documents say. Massachusetts state police interviewed the alleged victim in November of 2017, according to the documents.

[quote][R71], I can't understand what Rush is trying to say.

That the "rape police" use consent as a evil leftist excuse to keep manly men like Rush from fucking underage Dominican boys?

That's my best guess.

R88 Obviously you don't know how these places like Nantucket work. Imagine you're the bartender, it's crowded, Kevin Spacey shoulders his way through and orders 2 drinks at a time. He keeps coming back -- are you seriously thinking the probably deep-in-the-weeds bartender is going to look around to see who Kevin is giving the drinks too? While 50 codgers in white jackets and whale pants are snapping their fingers at him/her ?And what do you think the manager is going to said bartender when KS marches up and says, your bartender won't serve the star of HOC ? Hmmm ? It's frigging Nantucket. Jesus, why do I have to explain life to you and R84 ?

No, R36. It was the Ignoble Prize.

"Why isn't the mom and the police charging the bartender for serving the minor-employee...?"

Because rape is a much more serious offense?!

What a hambone at R44.

[quote] If I start talking to a famous person, tell him I'm older than I am, and get drunk with him, does that make me his property ?

No, it wouldn't. That would be true even if both you engaged in sexual activity. Sex has nothing to do with ownership. Married couples have sex but they don't own eachother. That's a very cynical take.

There's definitely shared responsibility here between Spacey and the other guy. Until there's PROOF that there was an assault however - such as clear-cut video - then everything is supposition, opinion, and hearsay. Believing accusations can be dangerous until there's proof. This is how innocent people are jailed for crimes they didn't commit.

r98, he has been accused by many guys - 20 at the Old Vic alone. If you think this was an isolated incident then you have obviously had your head up your ass for the last year.

Does anyone remember the woman who was jailed for stalking him? There are rumors that she knew one of the victims and that's why she was threatening to castrate him

yes folks. Kevin is fucked up. He is not normal. He is a fucking creep. He likes to grab people out of the blue. Sick fucker!

yes, You can be 18 and work in a bar or resto, even if you cannot drink.

R87.... if someone acts like a creep towards me, I stay away from them, not hang out with him for hours. I don’t stick around for an autograph, or free drinks, or let them grope me for THREE MINUTES. I knew this when I was 15, when I was 18, and now when I’m 48.

R100, that bitch was just crazy.

All I know is this.... if the kid was old enough to lie about his age, he was old enough to tell Spacey to keep his hands to himself & not Snapchat his displeasure.

"if someone acts like a creep towards me, I stay away from them, not hang out with him for hours. I don’t stick around for an autograph, or free drinks, or let them grope me for THREE MINUTES. I knew this when I was 15, when I was 18, and now when I’m 48."

Sigh, you don't know all the details. It was a crowded bar, it was hard for him to break away and he was drunk (and probably drugged, too, knowing Kevin's m.o.)

Kevin. Is nothing like the rapist, Bill Cosby. The underage kid was drinking? Who forced him to drink?

r106, you must be new here. Spacey has been abusing men and boys for AT LEAST 35 years. This is not an isolated incident.

"Who forced him to drink?"

Kid wants to have his cock and eat it too.

The kid is straight and even if he were gay he'd probably want someone closer to his age, not an eldergay like Spacey

[quote] Sigh, you don't know all the details. It was a crowded bar, it was hard for him to break away and he was drunk

Who's the one making excuses now?

[quote] (and probably drugged, too, knowing Kevin's m.o.)

Of course it makes much more sense that he would try to drug him in a crowded bar.

Some posters here are sputtering, [italic]"There's something OFF about this story!!!"[/italic] Sorry to disappoint, but you're not getting all the facts yet, because you're not the legal system. At this point, one could almost say it's all none of your business. Full details will come out at trial.

The individuals involved aren't required to lay out the entire case and how all the incidents unfolded to the public. That's what lawyers are for.

Did I imagine it, or did the court document about this case just doxx Kevin Spacey's phone number? I know he's getting some pretty weird calls now.

[R100]

R100 Why are you bringing up that nutcase stalker Spacey had? That stuff she said was just BS. Seen desperate clowns latch onto that story and spread it around Twitter as if it were real, because they want to feel important and like they're the protagonist in their own little spy movie. Doesn't make it real.

I have a hard time believing that this kid was "star struck." Do 18 year-olds even know who Kevin Spacey is? Spacey probably groped him and was way too aggressive, so Spacey is wrong.

However, this kid wanted to drink and flirt with a "harmless" older guy. They somehow found each other or Spacey stalked him until Spacey lured the young guy into drinking with him. The kid lied about his age. There's a good chance the kid is gay despite his mother repeating that her son is straight. The kid thought it would be fun to hang out with a "movie star," who he didn't know Spacey other than he was that old guy from House of Cards. The kid thought it might be kind of fun to flirt with a movie star until he was in over his head encountering someone as aggressive as Spacey. The kid thought he could flirt. He didn't know Spacey was going in for the kill. The kid panicked because he wasn't 21 as he said. He was an 18 year-old kid.

R89, you must be either a shut-in or just a garden-variety idiot (or both) for never having heard “meta” used as an adjective. And your attempts at humor are pathetic.

You type OLD.

R116. I'm not an idiot or a shut-in, and I never heard of 'meta.'

[quote]r115 There's a good chance the kid is gay despite his mother repeating that her son is straight.

Why? For one thing, the odds are against it. Gays a re a minority group, not even 10% of the population.

R118. The young man wanted to hang out with an older man. The young man is part of that gay minority of which you speak.

[quote]Spacey has been abusing men and boys for AT LEAST 35 years.

And like that we go from a handful of accusations and internet rumor to fact. How long before someone ties him to pizzagate?

[quote]r19 The young man wanted to hang out with an older man. The young man is part of that gay minority of which you speak.

Well, most ordinary people are star struck. Spacey was on a hit show at the time.

And even if you never saw the movies, when you hear someone's won two Academy Awards, they suddenly become pretty interesting. It doesn't mean your sexually attracted just because you enjoy talking with them.

I don't think any of us would be surprised about how many sexual interactions star struck people have with celebrities where there is zero sexual attraction. Lots of people will fuck a star or someone in power purely because of their status.

It’s not “a handful of Internet rumours.”

I’ve worked in theatre for twenty years and Spacey has been the most infamous sexual predator in the entire industry for at least ten of those years. Literally everyone knew about him.

[quote]Literally everyone knew about him.

Literally everyone? Literally? The irony of your post, beyond the hyperbole, is that it's just another internet rumor. "I knew someone who's been in the theater world for thirty years and he said Spacey literally raped everyone he ever met!!! And literally everyone knew!!!"

[quote]r122 Lots of people will fuck a star or someone in power purely because of their status.

Or, just want to talk to them. Because their lives seem different than ours, and more interesting.

r125 That's why I said "lots of people" and not "everyone". Fame, wealth and power are very attractive commodities to a lot of people, which is why famous, wealthy and/or powerful trolls get lots of attention. I'm surprised that even has to be stated.

The kid may or may not have been star struck. I think that's a rather dramatic excuse offered by the kid's mother. I don't believe an 18 year-old really knew much about a much older man like Spacey despite starring on the hit show, House of Cards. Instead, I believe the kid is gay and got in over his head and panicked when he discovered how aggressive Spacey could be. Even though legally an adult at 18, he was a kid with a kid's mentality. So that he could drink, he lied about his age but did not have the maturity (if you can even call it that) of a 21 year-old when confronted with an aggressive adult who wanted sex.

[quote]The kid is straight and even if he were gay he'd probably want someone closer to his age, not an eldergay like Spacey

That's not really how it works some of the time but, okay.

[quote] I don't believe an 18 year-old really knew much about a much older man like Spacey despite starring on the hit show, House of Cards

I agree with this. However, I'd add that it's possible to know who someone is or know that they are famous without knowing what they're famous for or seeing any of their work.

[quote]nstead, I believe the kid is gay and got in over his head and panicked when he discovered how aggressive Spacey could be.

I don't know if the kid is gay but I do believe he knew he was being flirted with. I do think he got in over his head but I don't think that gave Kevin the right to touch him after the kid allegedly tried to push his hands away from his body.

Spacey used the weather woman from the same tv station that the lads mom worked at, as a beard to accompany him for the emmys in 2016. I think more stuff went on behind closed doors. Just a coincidence ? Spaceys sick and needs help. But this story seems odd. Was it a set up ? Could be. Did higher ups think Spacey was totally out of control and needed to be taught a lesson ? Most probably.

[quote]r128 I don't think that gave Kevin the right to touch him after the kid allegedly tried to push his hands away from his body.

Why would Spacey have the right to touch him even before that?

There was an old perv in Nantucket. To propriety he declared, “Fuck it!” “That teen boy looks cute,” so he’ll chase his pursuit. Alas, his stardom he’s tossed in a bucket.

[Quote] I’ve worked in theatre for twenty years and Spacey has been the most infamous sexual predator in the entire industry for at least ten of those years. Literally everyone knew about him.

Any others you care to share??

R123 So you knew about his “sexual predations" for at least ten years but you chose to turn a blind eye to it?

R130, he didn't have the right to touch him but there is such a thing as mixed signals. For the sake of argument let's say someone you don't know very well puts his hand on your knee while you are sitting next to him engaged in an apparently friendly conversation during which he has bought you a few drinks. If you don't move away or if you don't tell the knee-handler to remove his hand that person may reasonably assume that you are accepting and may be emboldened to make further advances.

Having said that, my guess is that Kevin is perfectly fine with ignoring someone's discomfort and may even like it when guys tell him no.

R130, Non-verbal consent is real, and while it's not a good form of communication of consent, acting like it doesn't exist (since people have been using it forever to communicate intentions) is illogical.

When two people consent to making out by making eye contact, getting physically closer, touching arms and then kissing. That's fine. Sometimes people will say, "May I kiss you now?" and their partner may say, "Yes, you may kiss me now," but it doesn't always work like that and when it doesn't, people refer to it as "getting signals crossed."

Ignoring a physical or verbal signal when a person says, "Don't touch me" or pulling someone's hands away from you is a clear indicator of getting the point across that you are not consenting to being touched.

Of course, this is Kevin Spacey we're dealing with and he obviously has impulse control issues and according to the guy's report he persisted even after he indicated that he didn't want him touching him. That's going to be a huge sticking point for his case.

This "victim" knows how to handle herself.

Yes, literally everyone working in theatre in London at a professional/established level (not necessarily people doing PSF above a pub) knew about him. They used to warn the new boys at RADA about him.

London theatre is a tiny community and everyone knows everyone. Gossip gets around quickly. Spacey was the single most infamous and most despised person in our entire community and everyone knew about it. Just like everyone knew about MSC, just like everyone knows who's in the closet. You really think theatre queens don't gossip? Honey, come on.

You obviously do not work in the industry, and stop the hyperbole about rape -- I personally didn't hear any stories about rape until the last year or two. But many many hundreds of stories about groping and verbal harassment, and of course habitually using the casting couch at the Old Vic.

r137 Tell us some of those stories, then. Otherwise it's just more internet rumor. Include enough detail so that it's at least believable.

R136 that clip from [italic]The Paradine Case[/italic] is marvelous!

You and your pals are such cunts R138 . It may have escaped your notice but you have no power here, or anywhere else I expect, to demand details and then deem them not good enough ,or you'll do the troll thing of feigning shock and disgust at the storyteller not intervening, making a citizens' arrest or some other nonsense, who put you in charge? You and your couple of sad cronies may think Spacey is just a horny guy doing what real gay men do which seems to be skulking in the closet and grabbing at the disinterested , but you losers are in the minority. The law may well let us down in this case as it so often does but decent people ( excluding you ) know what Spacey is and are very comfortable with his ruin, it is richly deserved.

Something tells me the mother won’t like what is revealed about her son once this process is over and will regret going so hard, so publicly.

I don't get it. I was once "groped" from behind, and spontaneously slapped the hand away. Three minutes WITH FILMING is accepting the attention, IMO. (Did KS not see the phone pointed at him?) "Crowded. Difficult to get away." GMAB.

And just how loose do young guys wear their belts/waistbands, where they are so easily breached?

From an optics perspective, the fact that the mother is doing all the talking looks suspect. My theory is they don't feel the son looks or sounds credible. My gut says the Mom steamrolled right over the son and demanded he report this. Gay or not, men - especially teenaged boys -aren't known for speaking up in situations like this for fear people will think they're gay. That's probably the main reason nobody reported Spacey up until now, and he most likely used that to his advantage. Few young actors want to end their careers by outing themselves, so they keep quiet. Spacey of all people knows this.

That said, it seems crystal clear it was the mother who convinced if not compelled the son to file a report. That he's not making a statement and is nowhere to be found will ultimately doom this case.

[quote]decent people ( excluding you )

Hold on, you're the one spreading gossip and innuendo online about real people and saying that you don't think Spacey should even have a trial and just go straight to prison... and you're trying to pass yourself as a decent person? Part of the moral majority, eh?

I've given specific stories, with details, r138. I've given two specific stories on this very thread (or on part 1 of this thread) and I've been posting them on DL for nearly a decade, dating back to when I worked at the OV during Inherit the Wind. I'm sure plenty of longtime DLers will remember me.

It's very telling that r138 keeps yammering on about Pizzagate. The only person trying to link Spacey to Pizzagate, QAnon, etc. is YOU and it's a clear sign that you're a Russian troll.

r145 You said there were hundreds and hundreds of stories, so you must have loads more? I do like the idea that Russian trolls have given up trying to sway elections around the world and are now deployed to defend Kevin Spacey on a niche gay forum that virtually no one has ever heard if. Anyway, back to the real world... any more stories?

You're such a Fox news prick R144, the gossip you accuse me of spreading is common knowledge to anyone with a connection to the theatre . I wouldn't bother with a trial as the law can be bought , I'm fine with him being a well deserved social pariah no prison or legal proceedings necessary .I'm delighted your hero is fucked, writhe over that. I don't think he's a Russian troll R145 ,more likely a bitter, reactionary closet case.

And don't give that loser another word R145 you could have photos/videos a signed confession and it would dismiss it or clutch its pearls and pretend disgust at you allowing it to continue, Spacey would be your fault.

I find it highly suspicious that an "innocent underage young lad" had absolutely no problem accepting numerous free drinks from his pal Kevin Spacey. I also find it highly suspicious that he couldn't be bothered to remove Spacey's wandering hand from his groin, but was somehow able to record the "sexual assault" on his phone, and share it with his "girlfriend." I also find it highly suspicious that his mother couln't wait to go in front of the camera and share her son's story with the world.

I'm not condoning sexual assault by any means, but Spacey behaved like most people in a bar who've been drinking, and are buying drinks for someone, hoping to get lucky. The "innocent" victim knew who Spacey was, accepted drinks willingly, even though he was underage, and then cried rape. Then films the incident. Can anyone say "$etup?" Or perhaps "Ca$h $ettlement?"

r148 Wow, you're brittle. Are you sure you're on the right site, dear? It's funny how you don't mind condemning someone you've never met purely because you dislike him and tend to think everything you read online is truth, but anyone who dares to question you is automatically a "loser" and an "it". Also, note how you try to pull r145 into your side. No wonder you have no respect for the rule of law with that kind of pack mentality. Nothing like being part of a moral majority, is there? Strength in numbers and all that. Just beware, the moral majority used to be against us and they can very easily turn again...

I think Spacey was wrong to grab the guy's crotch but let's be honest, this story has been fishy since the mom started peddling it.

I say there were drugs involved.

Yeah you do know, R112!

Kev, give it a rest.

Oh I've met him R150 and he's a cunt, however it's you I have least respect for, I doubt you are even gay, you just like sticking it to the libtards, I imagine you have some choice views on Trans and Muslims too, you're very obvious.

by the way the moral majority switcheroo is a favorite of Carlson Tucker.

[quote]Oh I've met him [R150] and he's a cunt, however it's you I have least respect for

So you believe Spacey is a rapist but even worse than that is someone who criticizes you online? Okay.

Spacey is getting his he's dealt with, I don't know if he's a rapist but his downfall, based on his own anti-social behavior as a closeted sex pest is well deserved, you R155 are skulking around defending him, yes I have a very low opinion of you. So are you a really gay?A closet case ? I don't believe for a nanosecond your interest in this is protection of the law, you have a sinister vested interest and the slippery technique of a right wing shitbag.

[quote]yes I have a very low opinion of you

You don't know anything about me, though you do seem to easily form strong opinions about stuff despite a glaring absence of facts.

[quote]I don't know if he's a rapist but his downfall, based on his own anti-social behavior as a closeted sex pest is well deserved

A sex pest!

[quote] I don't believe for a nanosecond your interest in this is protection of the law, you have a sinister vested interest and the slippery technique of a right wing shitbag.

Yes, you already laid out your suspicion upthread about me being a right-winger secretly espousing left-wing viewpoints. A bit like the devil cunningly telling everyone to love each other. The evil bastard!

Blocking as I do, I can't even read R155, and that's fine.

r158 Grow up, love x

You're brimful of shit R157. You never answer a question , just critique others, and much as you don't like it a sex pest is not an acceptable contributor to society , and therein is the issue, you have a tolerance for sex pests, added to that you are a very obvious wind up merchant with unreconstructed views of the world. Congratulations R158 you are missing nothing in blocking R155 just diversionary tactics and accusation, typical of closet cases.

[quote]a sex pest is not an acceptable contributor to society , and therein is the issue

"An acceptable contributor to society"??? Is the only acceptable kind of sex that which "contributes to society", then? Are you sure you're not right wing?

[quote]typical of closet cases.

A minute ago you said I wasn't even gay.

Anyway, enough of this gay banter! Let's get back to Kevin "closeted sex pest" Spacey...

I asked you if you are gay, but using your slippery technique you ignored the question and returned a volley of mockery of what I had said R161 so I'm left wondering what you are hiding, what is it you find acceptable about sex pests? You mock the term and I'm left feeling you don't consider groping an assault, is that right ? Are you someone who finds 'gayface' repulsive? Do you vomit at the thought of men having a 'purse falling from mouth' voice?

[quote]I asked you if you are gay

Yes, I am.

[quote]so I'm left wondering what you are hiding

About 9 inches.

[quote]what is it you find acceptable about sex pests?

I'm sorry, but the term is too broad and too old-lady-ish for me to give you a serious answer.

[quote]I'm left feeling you don't consider groping an assault, is that right ?

Have you never groped a boyfriend? Of course groping isn't assault. If someone was groped and they made it clear it was unwanted and that person groped them again, I would consider the second instance an assault.

[quote] Are you someone who finds 'gayface' repulsive? Do you vomit at the thought of men having a 'purse falling from mouth' voice?

No and no. Quite the opposite, in fact. Though Lord knows what either question has to do with anything I've said...

Just trying to get some info out of you rather than a barrage of mockery and questions. Your idea that anyone groped who doesn't brush it off is old ladyish is the point on which we will never agree, it's a very old school attitude , for you Spacey seems just a good old gay boy chancing his luck in bars like gays have always done, but society has changed since the 80s , it's not the eldergay's turn anymore and it's fitting that the current generation have their own rules. Spacey is a relic and a very unpleasant one, he discussed his self image when I met him, more than once, he described himself as a Roman who didn't have to follow the rules, I'm far to old to be of interest to him but the younger ( mostly straight ) guys present were subjected to embarrassing and persistent hassle, and storming off in tears when he didn't get his way, I don't know if he's a rapist but he is definitely a wrong 'un. Now you will probably say 'Ooh embarrassing, hassled boys, poor babies' but it was very uncomfortable in a professional setting and shared looks between the older gay adults in the room made it clear nobody liked what they saw . Before you charge me with being complicit by not dragging him to the nearest police station I should say this was 10 years ago and before the new attitude, your position of 'grow up boy, take your groping or push your boss away' was the way things worked then. Now there would be an avenue to pursue his obnoxious behavior , there are now degrees of sexual assault , it doesn't have to be rape to be unacceptable and I think that's a good thing, you don't seem to, there is no middle ground.

Hmm, CNN: "We have new video."

They have the video, or are they reporting that a video of the incident was provided to the lawyers?

[quote]Every single allegation, no matter how spurious, was given disproportionate media coverage and those most guilty were the ones who helped perpetuate it.

This is from the PR release @ R27. It suggests some allegations were not spurious.

A spurious allegation getting disproportionate media coverage would be open to serious legal challenge, given the high profile and wealth of the alleged culprit.

It's odd then that Spacey appeared not to defend his reputation legally to clear his name.

Unless of course the media was doing its job by giving proportionate coverage to those allegations considered less spurious - with good reason.

I believe you R137. I worked in British regional theatre in the 90's, i was very young and visitors from London would have all the gossip from London. Before Spacey performed at the Old Vic alas.

I thought something was seriously amiss when at his Artistic Directors benefit concert at the Old Vic 2015 all he could muster to perform was Annie Lennox and Sting. After more than 10 years !!!, saving the Old Vic. That was shocking to me.

Absolutely R168 the theatrical and movie worlds have dropped him very easily considering his prominence, he is getting less support that Singer.

R169 - That's because Singer still makes the industry a ton of money. Spacey, even with no scandal, was slowly aging out of the business.

R131 you saucy thing

Oh please. Since the early 80s, sexual harassment has been constantly discussed and analyzed ad nauseam . "Good touch,bad touch" is practically an elementary school course. I highly doubt anyone under 30 doesnt know about boundaries ,and the fact of the matter is anyone who was a Spacey "victim" chose to be 90% of the time .Be it for a part in a show,or an introduction to an agent or access to wealth and celebrities,,they knew exactly what the deal was ,just like all those bitches who gave up pussy for a part. We arent talking about 1950s teenagers here,these young people have had the internet for 20 years,for petes sake. That boy knew what Spacey wanted,yet he CHOSE to hang out drinking with him.Period. Kid yourself hes a victim all youd like,but an 18 year old these days is like a 40 year old was 30 years ago.They know way more than we ever did.

Perhaps you need further lessons in 'good touch. bad touch ' R172

This 'victim' knew how to manage fellas who got fresh

[quote]My theory is they don't feel the son looks or sounds credible.

Gayface? Vocal fry?

Wasn't the guy eighteen? Why does this keep getting headlines as "Teen"?

This was in the latest Pop Bitch newsletter:

If you were anywhere near social media on Christmas Eve, you maybe saw how Kevin Spacey responded to the news that he'd been charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. By recording a video in character as his killed-off House Of Cards character, Frank Underwood.

It was a weird move, for sure – but it's not the first time he's used his art to channel his ill-advised urges.

During the 12 years he was artistic director at the Old Vic, Kevin Spacey kept on suggesting they stage the same plays season after season, only to have them vetoed every single time.

The reason he kept picking them? The same reason the rest of the creative team kept refusing them. They were always plays about older men striking up May-December romances with younger, impressionable boys.

Because an eighteen year old is a “teen” R176. “Teen” is literally included in the word. Are you being willfully obtuse?

I'm not going to trust any story from a publication called "Pop Bitch".

What plays did Spacey keep suggesting they stage at the Old Vic?

r179, yet you believe every word that comes out of the mouth of Kevin "I Love You, Dianne" Spacey?

Video Evidence of Alleged Kevin Spacey Sexual Assault Exists, Authorities Say:

R178 Some media outlets like the Daily Mail have identified the alleged victim as a boy. Crazy how no one seems to take issue with that.

If he got shipped off to Iraq and died, no news outlet would be referring to him as a “teen” or “boy.” They only use it when they want, and here they seek the sensationalist angle that this gay pervert molested a poor naive child who struggled as a waiter to put himself through school.

You’re moving the goalposts, R183. You specifically asked why an eighteen year old was being referred to as a “teen.” There was no mention of “boy” in your post.

Well said, r184.

R186

The creepy Spacey apologists are breeding like rats in this thread. One blocked poster just congratulated HIMSELF for a post.

and the video!!! of the assault!!! is of someones hand touching someones chest.

[QUOTE]and the video!!! of the assault!!! is of someones hand touching someones chest.

R190

So now we can freely take all the videos of the cunts at bachelorette parties who are groping men - and have them arrested.

Their behavior is deplorable, illegal and without consent. Too bad sluts. You decided that gay men are your targets we can flip it right back on you. We’ll close every stripper bar, bachelorette party and put every last one of you on the sex offender registry. You’re all Kevin Space - and we’ve seen you do. Many of us have had to put up with your damn groping.

Get ready mommy bitches. It’s Puritan Payback time.

And of course the media will just breathlessly report that “there’s video evidence of Kevin Spacey with the teen victim,” and people will draw their own conclusion that Spacey is down on his knees at the bar giving this “boy” a blowjob on camera.

R193

R193 is OVERLY INVESTED.

Franchised gay panic. "Eeek, a man TOUCHED me." Fucking idiots, you don't realize the damage you are doing to your own tribe. Unless it's all women here, which wouldn't surprise me.

And the "Overly Invested" passive-aggressive frau needs to get the fuck out of here.

Just caught a CNN segment on Kevin. The anchor referred to the victim as “boy” and “teen” multiple times. The lower third read “Kevin Spacey On Trial for Assaulting Busboy.” The anchor said Spacey was on tape “groping the teen” without specificity as to what that “groping” entailed. Pretty much everything I figured it would be.

Lock up your 18 year old sons - homosexualist molesters are in town! Shriiiiieeeeekkk!

After reading the story in the Boston Globe today about the court hearing, my take away is that it will be difficult to get a conviction unless Spacey's attorneys are inept. Which I seriously doubt they are. And if it matters, I'm female and have been on two juries--one civil and one criminal.

R197 Not to mention the fact that they mention a video but not what's on it or the circumstances in which it was taken, both of which help Spacey's case.

[quote]r143 That said, it seems crystal clear it was the mother who convinced if not compelled the son to file a report.

If that's the case, then good. Maybe we can get the numbers up from the 10% of sexual assault cases that are reported?

Which is worst ?

A Sex Pest or a Gay Gnat ?

Or perhaps a Flowery Flea ?

A Kevinsect.

R199 I also agree. Also we haven't heard what the defense will present. So it'll be interesting to see.

The year after high school, a female classmate of mine passed out drunk at a party and 3 guys had sex with her. It was her father who spearheaded charges being filed, and the young men being locked up.

You don't throw someone to the wolves just because they turn 18, and forget that the young often need assistance maneuvering the real world.

(Were some posters here abandoned by their parents, and that's why they think such behavior would be normal??)

[QUOTE]After reading the story in the Boston Globe today about the court hearing, my take away is that it will be difficult to get a conviction

They don’t want a conviction. They just want to drag him through the mud. Shit like this is why so many pay for out of court settlements to make these accusations go away. The trial will be a painful slog for Spacey regardless if he’s acquitted.

[quote]r206 The trial will be a painful slog for Spacey regardless if he’s acquitted.

Boo fuckin' hoo.

[QUOTE]The year after high school, a female classmate of mine passed out drunk at a party and 3 guys had sex with her.

What does a gang rape have to do with this case?

R208 Not a damn thing. It’s a media whore frau who’s using her son to get her Kardashian 15 minutes of fame. Never mind that her son was drinking in a gay bar while underage. If it wasn’t somebody famouse, the whore would have shut her mouth that she’s a negligent cunt who can’t control her crotchdropping.

But now its somebody famous and she WANTS TO SEE A MANAGER.

R206/R208 is some sort of creepy Spacey apologist or even Spacey himself.

We’d all love to see what delightful skeletons you’re keeping in your closet, you old queen. I’m sure they’re legion.

I’m not a queen. I’m a gay man. And no, I’ve never molested any boys, R210. I like men. Other gay men, preferably.

If you're going to go out with the intention of getting shitfaced, so freaking inebriated that you literally pass out, you do indeed bear some degree of responsibility for the result of your irresponsibility.

It's like a chick who hits the bars in a tube top, cut-offs so short half of her ass is hanging out, complimented by thigh high boots, and gets all pissed off when someone grabs her ass or mistake her for a hooker.

Gotta be careful about what you're advertising.

Inappropriate touching! It should get you the presidency, no problem.

R211

No one is suggesting the son should be the only voice, but there isn't one quote or comment from him. He's an adult and his name was made public. I would think he would have to agree to let his mom hold press conferences, so then why is he nowhere to be found in this narrative? This could have all be conducted in a less public way with Spacey still getting the smearing he deserves. Rule number one for anyone filing a civil or criminal suit: Keep your mouth shut or risk having what you say and do used against you. Lawyers hold press conferences, not mothers of victims.

[QUOTE]I’m not a queen. I’m a gay man.

The two are not mutually exclusive, dear. And those two sentences could easily be combined with the assist of a semicolon.

[quote]The trial will be a painful slog for Spacey regardless if he’s acquitted.

Given the video, he might try an Oscar Wilde approach.

[quote]If you're going to go out with the intention of getting shitfaced, so freaking inebriated that you literally pass out, you do indeed bear some degree of responsibility for the result of your irresponsibility.

Massachusetts actually has a "victim culpability" measure in its sentencing guidelines. So if Spacey gets convicted, this will be a factor in sentencing.

[quote]The trial will be a painful slog for Spacey regardless if he’s acquitted.

Nope. The fact that his video gets 3 times the upvotes then downvotes on Youtube and even people who think he's a predator are understanding that he was misled by Unruh's son on Twitter. His career is over but he'll survive this as a human being & pseudo-celebrity.

R218 That’s a bit over the cliff in some regards, isn’t it? As no assault occurred, the most he could be tried on would be giving alcohol to a minor. Reasonable defense would be - the young man was already in a bar where alcohol was served.

Charges will be dropped and Spacey, being Spacey likely will mount a counteroffensive against Unruh for defamation of character for claiming he intended sexual assault without evidence, thus damaging his personal and professional reputation. A perfectly Spacey move.

Spacey apparently sexually assaulted a driver on the set of HoC.

According to a story recently reported, the mother was the person who encouraged her son to come forward. Every time someone opens their mouth regarding this kid's " traumatic " experience, the story sounds a little less believable. As someone said upthread, mommy dearest is looking for her fifteen minutes of fame.

[QUOTE]His career is over but he'll survive this as a human being & pseudo-celebrity.

If he’s acquitted then his career is not over.

Even if the bar was so packed that it was difficult to move away from someone, what was stopping the alleged victim from using his own hands to pull Spacey's hand out of his pants? Surely at 18 he was physically stronger than Spacey.

R222 - Remember, Kevin still has investigations in London. And I think he's basically sexually harassed his way out of Hollywood. There's way too many stories about that guy.

R220 - That was reported, but that person never filed a criminal complaint.

R219 - Your response is over the cliff. Spacey will not go after Unruh if he wins in criminal court because Unruh can still win in civil court. And with the amount of accusations against him, Unruh can definitely win. The only thing Spacey will do after this legal episode is leave the state of Massachusetts. He still has Scotland Yard and an LA lawsuit to worry about.

Rule 223 He was too busy hanging on to his phone while recording his traumatic encounter with Spacey. After all the "poor kid" only has two hands. The other hand was probably on Spacey's ass.

The latest report actually stated that the alleged victim phoned his girlfriend during the alleged assault so she could be a star witness, or perhaps a willing participant, to the festivities. Sounds more like a ménage â trois to me.

Why doesn’t the TV news actually get into these details when discussing the story? Would it detract valuable time from the latest scoop on Trump?

R226 is an 80-year old gay virgin.

R224 On what *legal* basis can the mother of a legal adult in Massachusetts assert legal standing? She can’t. She has no basis, whether criminal or civil. She has, however, put her employer in an awkward position.

Acts in other jurisdictions are not admissable. Prior acts are not admissable - especially as there are no convictions. You’re relying on hearsay. Same for the downthread assertion the 18 year old called his girlfriend from the bar. This works against his own interest. Her statements can’t be used - hearsay. That he felt comfortable enough to call a girlfriend to tell her about the encounter counters any claims of assault, otherwise he would have called the police as he had a phone in his hand.

His acts undermine his own credibility.

Based on these responses I'd say approximately 50% of Datalounge is in desperate need of "good touch/bad touch" training.

He called the girlfriend DURING the so called assault, so she could listen in and back up his story.

He also told Spacey that he was 23 years old. The kid is a liar, plain and simple. As my fave nutball Judge Judy says " If you tell the truth you don't need to have a good memory."

This case will never make it to the courtroom. It will be tossed out, and Mom will encourage a civil suit.

R229 ......... Just the facts, Ma'am !

Or Kevin Spacey's PR shills are working overtime again.

CNN is already misrepresenting the facts in this case. Their alarmist coverage is one of the reasons trump got elected. Why are they so vested in destroying spacey anyway? Even Breitbart commentators who usually salivate during Hollywood scandals are mocking the victim.

R233 I think the media is more invested. In spreading hysteria and panic than in legal fact.

[quote]So now we can freely take all the videos of the cunts at bachelorette parties who are groping men - and have them arrested.

While we're doing a mandatory "good touch/bad touch" training for DL's groping apologists and/or PR shills, a quick tutorial on the meaning of the word "consent" is long overdue.

Personally, I love the video that Spacey posted. I found nothing bizzare about it, nor was it an incoherent rant. It's quite easy to understand. I think he stated his point clearly, with a touch of humor.

[quote]Personally, I love the video that Spacey posted. I found nothing bizzare about it, nor was it an incoherent rant. It's quite easy to understand. I think he stated his point clearly, with a touch of humor.

As if we needed more proof that Kevin Spacey posts here...

As I've said upthread, on the original twitter thread from the mom, pretty much everyone was under the impression the kid was openly gay, but maybe it was just our bias, who knows? What I remember is that she was the first to come forward, inspired by Harvey Weinstein. Her posts seem genuine and she was on mama bear mode, I bet someone has prints from that original thread somewhere. I had a print from the Singer victim from facebook as we briefly interacted before he deleted his social media. It was grotesque the real life physical harassment he got for telling a simple story of Bryan Singer sticking his finger up his asshole in the middle of the street as means of controlling him. That was very graphic.

R236 As a gay man who has been groped and sexually assaulted by women in gay bars, I don’t have any tolerance for sexual misconduct. I also don’t have any tolerance for the fraus on DL who engage in their perverted piranha games. You cunts don’t know a 404 rule (or a 412 exception) from a tampax. You need both, god knows.

Go back to your mug cradling, and quit conflating your “free to be my vag and me” grammar school rules with something that would have merit under evidenciary rules.

During the ripped jeans phase I had a pair that were strategically torn right under both my ass cheeks R239. One night I was at a bar in Albany Ny with my husband no less,and as I was leaning over the bar some drunk slid his finger right in a slit and stuck his finger almost in my hole. I turned around,said "what the fuck are you doing" and slapped the shit out of him. Thats what that boy should have done with Singer,had he not been after money or whatever. So you see,that boy chose to allow himself to be violated that way,as I chose to slap that fucks teeth out. See how that works?

For the fucking last time, it was not a gay bar! It was a resto where victim worked as a busboy!

R241 I like you!

R239 huh what? What Bryan Singer street fingering?

R244, when the mother of this Kevin Spacey victim came forward, way before Anthony Rapp, her twitter thread became sort of like a therapy session and many alleged victims of both Spacey and Bryan Singer came forward and shared their story there. One of them was a former waiter at a West Hollywood pizza parlor, forgot the name of the place, and he told us that he was sexually harassed by Singer once, in the middle of the street. He was hanging with his friends and Singer party. He was then harassed with phone calls and threatening emails, he even posted prints of the threats. We interacted briefly on Facebook and then he deleted all his social media, but by then he was already living in San Diego.

Sorry, the sentence was cut. I meant: He was hanging with his friends and Singer came along with some of his friends and came on to him and stuck his hand inside his pants and two fingers up his asshole and then invited him to a party.

R246 Huh. Nobody’s ever mistaken my asshole for a text message before.

[quote]r224 Spacey will not go after Unruh if he wins in criminal court because Unruh can still win in civil court. And with the amount of accusations against him, Unruh can definitely win. The only thing Spacey will do after this legal episode is leave the state of Massachusetts. He still has Scotland Yard and an LA lawsuit to worry about.

i hope he stashed a lot of dough away over the years. Because the lawsuits are going to be costly.

And i bet more and more will be filed.

R136 I reckon Kevin's performance on Christmas Day was just as good as Laughton's playing 'handsy' Judge Horfield.

Thursday, December 27, 2018 Blind Item #1

This disgraced former A- list mostly movie actor has already made a deal with prosecutors that he will serve no jail time for his latest offense.

Oh dear

R250 I suspected all along that the video was addressed to those whose secrets Kevin knows.

Oh please, like CDAN knows anything. It's just made up tripe.

[quote]R236 As a gay man who has been groped and sexually assaulted by women in gay bars, I don’t have any tolerance for sexual misconduct.

And when guys are groping guys? That's cool with you as long as icky vaginas aren't involved?

For a gay lawyer you a. sure hate women and b. aren't terribly precise with your arguments.

If this young guy actually videotaped/took a picture/Snapchat...whatever of Spacey groping him, why didn't Spacey remove his hand from the guy's crotch while the picture was being taken? I'm sure Spacey wanted to grab the guy's dick, but did he really want a picture of himself doing it? That's crazy, arrogant or just plain dumb. Did Spacey know the guy was taking a photo? Did he care? Did he play along and allow himself to be photographed in such a compromising position? What the hell was going on that an assaulter/molester would let himself be photographed even if the photo was only of his hand and not his face?

[quote]What the hell was going on that an assaulter/molester would let himself be photographed even if the photo was only of his hand and not his face?

Both parties were completely fucking drunk off their ass?

I'm sure Mr. Spacey was pacing his drinks as he got the teen hammered, so he could stay in control.

Spacey was groping Dreyfuss's son in front of him. I don't think being filmed on Snapchat bothered him that much. I know a few 18 yr olds, they often retreat into their phones during socially awkward situations. Most modern kids don't know how to react to situations like this. Sure, he should've pushed him off or punched him or whatever, but in my experience, kids nowadays are more likely to freeze. He wasn't a "hood" kid either, probably had zero street smarts.

[quote] why didn't Spacey remove his hand from the guy's crotch while the picture was being taken?

Perhaps he didn't know he was recording. Perhaps, like many people in this thread, he didn't think it was unusual for a young person to be on his phone. The better question would be why the young man was using his phone when he could have pushed Spacey away. I know I wouldn't be on my phone if I were drunk off my ass.

[quote] I know a few 18 yr olds, they often retreat into their phones during socially awkward situations. Most modern kids don't know how to react to situations like this.

I see people make excuses like these and it boggles my mind. You can't treat these young people like morons and then expect them to grow up.

[quote] Sure, he should've pushed him off or punched him or whatever, but in my experience, kids nowadays are more likely to freeze.

He wasn't a kid firstly, and even if he was, I wouldn't call that normal behavior by any means.

And so, this second fiddle mostly known for playing perverts, will also be remembered for BEING A PERVERT. Like Fattie Arbuckle. Cannot remember if that guy did time or not.

According to a detective's testimony, the pictures of the alleged groping were nothing more that a hand on the back of someone's shirt. The graphic groping photos don't exist. The victim was also texting and SnapChatting during the so called "assault."

This victim's case gets weaker with every word he utters. Lots of lies being exposed at the hearing. This case will probably be tossed out due to lack of evidence. The civil suit will probably go the same route.

[quote]Like Fattie Arbuckle. Cannot remember if that guy did time or not.

It's pretty much accepted fact now that Arbuckle was innocent. The prosecution was driven by the dead lady's friend, who was a con artist and extortionist. And the false and hysterical reporting by the media, including countless breathless stories about Hollywood orgies, rapes, underage sex, etc, is what lead to Arbuckle's conviction. He was eventually acquitted on a retrial and the jury actually wrote a letter of apology to Arbuckle for the injustice he'd suffered.

Marion Davies was loyal after the trial, and hired him to direct some of her films under a different name.

[quote]this second fiddle mostly known for playing perverts, will also be remembered for BEING A PERVERT. Like Fattie Arbuckle.

Unlike Kevin, Fatty Arbuckle (not Fattie, you fatties) was not a pervert. He was rail-roaded by a mad frau called Maude Delmont.

I love that half the posters on this thread are on Ignore.

Re: r263

Sorry, he directed just one film for Davies (THE RED MILL), not "some".

He also directed a short comedy featuring Louise Brooks. She was trying for a Hollywood comeback a few years after breaking with Paramount, and leaving for Europe.

Bravo r164 at the least Spacey is a predatory groper of naive young men, based on all we've heard over the year there is much worse including drugging and forced sex. Unsure if he'll ever get prosecuted for that though.

I miss Popbitch! I used to get their gossip email way back in the early '00s

R267 There haven't been any allegations of forced sex

The current allegation is a form of forced sex R268 something the dinosaurs here are aghast at as they don't seem to think that is possible. They come from a time of living in the shadows when sex was furtive and done on the sly, often old gays lament the changing times and how much more fun life was when they had to live in the cracks of persecution, dislike how accepted being gay is now,gay marriage, gays having children etc. they have a hostage mentality.

[quote]The current allegation is a form of forced sex

Er, no.

R269 the current allegation is groping. Obviously, "forced sex" means he fucked someone's ass or mouth by force.

He took the poor boy's innocence which is a form of MURDER!!!

R261 I would hope the case is tossed because it will just end up being a waste of taxpayers' money. Having served on a jury for a case like that, it still pisses me off several years later that those of us on the jury had to suffer through it.

Er yes R270 you just have to suck it up that things have changed since your heyday , and R272 isn't from Fenella McFrau but Queeny McCloset who hates fish etc etc

Ludicrous how many here are so committed to gropers rights.

If your counter to an argument is setting up strawmen ("the child was LITERALLY RAPED on camera!@!@!" Spacey must be jailed for 50 years!!!) or an ad hominem attack ("you're old and a grandpa! Things have changed from your time, which was long ago!!#!@") then perhaps your argument isn't good and should be discarded?

Kev is a cold-blooded killer! His homosexualism has murdered.. my dreams of becoming his beloved FRAU!!

You have already been discarded R276 and R277 is an example of the many gay men who assume they are witty because being gay invested them with it, clearly not the case.

r278 You don't seem to like very many gay men. Most of your attacks on those here who disagree with you seem to pivot on some element of their sexuality.

R278 I wasn't being witty, those were actual examples from this thread. Perhaps you need to go "cancel" yourself. It's 2018, after all.

R278 goes for another ad hominem attack. I'm guessing they haven't taken a basic logic class.

R279 I love gay men who are happy with themselves and contribute to gays being a real part of society, my natural conclusion is that grope supporters are not such . R280 You certainly weren't being witty and R278 I would say that logic dictates unwanted sexual advances are just that, unwanted , that you don't is disturbing.

I'm not at all committed to groper's rights.

But I do think liar$ should be put in their place.

R282 can't stop with the ad hominem attacks because she knows her arguments are failing.

[quote]I love gay men who are happy with themselves and contribute to gays being a real part of society

I love all gay men in all their complexity.

R250 CDAN is so full of crap. Just a few days ago they claimed Spacey did his video because someone was going to come forward with an assault allegation from the House of Cards set. I feel so silly for actually believing them at one time in my life.

R269 Lets put what Spacey is charged with in perspective.

Massachusetts ranks its crimes on a scale from 1-9. A “1” would be Disorderly Conduct. A “9” would be Murder. Spacey is going to be arraigned on Indecent Assault & Battery, which is a 4 on that scale. In comparison, Cosby’s conviction would be a 6 and Weinstein’s charges are an 8.

An accusation of forced sex is nowhere to be found in the criminal complaint. The mention of “rape” by the mother in the presser was overreaction.

I agree liars should be put in their place R283 and the confirmed liar in this set up is Spacey who lied about his sexuality for years ( Dianne ) and only came out in a pathetic damage control effort .Whats with the she R284 I'm male and gay, and what's wrong with women anyway? Sounds like ad hominen is more up your street. Good for you R285 does that include Roy Cohn?

R288 is now using strawmen AND Whatabouting, and still doesn't know what xhir is talking about! Stand back, she's gonna blow!

Hilarious R286 Do tell me why me being a woman would justify your bile? I'm not, but I do like women, you see them as less than, very disturbing, why is this? Do tell and don't bother with the Mx and Xhir nonsense it just puts you deeper in the prejudice hole .

Oops R290 was meant for 'Frau' hating R289 . I know a lot of ugly attitude here is blamed on bots and trolls but I fear many of these are just hate-filled gay men.

I just don't like the persecution of gay guys especially for charges that don't sound particularly awful if they are even true. The Rapp thing still amounts to a drunk falling on another guest and that was the end of it. But it ruins a man's life and career when it is made public. True sexual abuse, yes, awful and deserves to be punished (ask Scott Bartow shunned for life). But not rumours and other bullshit.

R291 is so angry she can't type straight! Is she "gay" now?!

R292 You have decided that all Spacey's accusers are liars? Have you heard of Bill Cosby? Many black people didn't want his story to be true either. R293 you are still ranting about women, what happened to you to make you hate them so much? Was it mother?

Now she's trying to be "funny", but too little too late, Frau!

The "do you hate your mother" again cunt, jesus. Does she just lurk around every thread?

You are pathetic R295 Spacey is very unfortunate to have you in his corner.

Can you explain why women disgust you so much R296?

^^^^^ Because they say things like THAT.

OK...you're entitled to your warped opinion R299

Spacey's rant sounded just like his character in [italic] " Midnight In The Garden Of Good And Evil "

The "Rapp thing" was not an oopsie. Spacey lay on top of 14 year old boy.

I just want to add that the moment I've mentioned Bryan Singer and street fingering my privileges on DL were cut and I could no longer post, reply, start threads. I'm posting from my second browser. So much for freedom of expression.

I do hope it all proceeds to trial quickly. I don't want this serial molester on my mind for longer than necessary.

R304 Apparently Spacey wanted to be arraigned the same day the announcement was made. Doesn't sound like the actions of someone who thinks they are guilty.

I doubt he does think he's guilty R305, like his supporters here he sees nothing wrong in what he did.

Sounds like the action of an arrogant predator who thinks himself invincible. Well the video alone should've be an indicator of that. This guy is a clear psychopath.

He also texted the young man "I think we lost each other" which is just further proof that that the alleged victim gave no indication that anything was wrong.

It's also proof Spacey is an entitled freak who want's what he wants R308

Hmmm R308 sounds a lot like some of Harvey Weinstein's victims that opened the investigation. It goes without saying both Spacey and Weinstein are sexual predators but it's very unfortunate that the ones with a criminal case have the least legal standing. Apparently one of Harvey's accusers was caught emailing him weeks after the allege rape telling him 'I love you', which is sad because it's clear as water these 2 had assaulted many women and men, but had lots of consensual sex too, however questionable.

They exchanged numbers??

R310 I agree that the actions of a guilty person would have been to try to buy their silence but it's likely that Spacey forgot all about the incident the next morning.

R309 Being entitled is not a crime.

Acting on that entitlement is R313

r314 Er, no it isn't.

R314 If that were true, almost everyone in Hollywood would be guilty.

The ridiculous kid, thought to take a video but didn't think to step away? The little jerk is trying to extort money from Spacey and his Mom is trying to help him in the process. If the judge does not see that, he or she should be off the bench.

And your point is? R316

Not only did the young man not leave, not only did he lie about his age, not only did he drink a huge amount of alcohol in Spacey's company, but he also exchanged phone numbers with him? Yeah, that doesn't look good, does it?

The guy was 18...he was no 18 year old virgin, lets get that straight. All of us were having sex at 18 and we certainly knew how to deal with an unwanted pass.

r304 - That's incorrect. You guys need to read articles carefully. Read the SOURCE articles. Don't read the copy of the source article because the second hand article leaves out many details. And read multiple articles. The reporting of news in the social media area is absolutely horrid. Information is too often fragmented & incorrectly reported - especially when the news outlet throws their bias and/or clickbait in the story.

THIS is what happened: On Dec 20, Kevin & his attorneys went to Nantucket to face the magistrate judge for the show cause hearing. Once the magistrate decided that the case can go forward to arraignment, the attorneys asked if Kevin could get arraigned on that day since he was on the island. The magistrate told them that there wasn't an arraignment judge available and he would have to return. That's when the January 7 date was issued.

When the arraignment occurs on January 7, Kevin has to present himself in court to hear the charges against him & issue his plea. However, the island of Nantucket has very limited hotel & amenities open in the winter. And I doubt the island wants to be bombarded by media & spectators for a 20 minute court appearance. So there is a chance that Kevin may sign a waiver and just have his attorney plea (one of his lawyers, Juliane Balliro, is located in Boston). But we'll see.

Spacey has 30 other accusers you'll have to try and discredit R319 30 accusers. Yeah, that doesn't look good does it?

Sorry... R321 was in response to R305.

The show cause hearing was on Dec 20. The announcement of pending charges & Spacey's video were released on Dec 24.

Are all the supposed "victims" goddamn retarded. If someone is chasing me around their house, I am smart enough to throw some icewater on him and find the door. Some of you sound damn retarded yourselves.

Thank you R322. Yes, he's a sex pest. No, he's not a pedophile.

How would you deal with this from link at R322 ' [Spacey] was screaming in my face outside of the main bar area, red-faced, spit flying out of his mouth, screaming at me with fury because I didn't want to fuck him. He was actually saying that I did want to and I was a coward. That was his tactic. It was unbelievable.

The journalist said he reported the incident to his editor, who confirmed as much to BuzzFeed, and the story ultimately ran without a byline. The journalist told BuzzFeed that a major concern that prevented him from going public with the incident was his fear of outing Spacey as gay. “Being closeted has for him enabled him to use this privacy claim as a shield against anybody looking closely at his actual behavior,” he said.'

I never thought him a pedophile even if his preference is for youth, but he's a championship sex pest R325 and the chickens have come home to roost, so to speak.

[quote]Spacey has 30 other accusers you'll have to try and discredit

Okay: first of all, virtually none of them have gone to the police, so their allegations don't have to be tested in a court of law. The first two are anonymous and both relationships were consensual. The third is... a woman. Which raises the question: how many of these accusers are deranged or delusional types? The fourth man says Spacey showed him and his friend gay porn and then... did nothing. Oh, the horror! The next one was a military adviser on the set of OUTBREAK who alleges Spacey's assistant asked him if he wanted to engage in a "sex act". He declined and nothing else happened. Wow, this is truly shocking. The next, another anonymous one, was in his 20s when Spacey gave him an "unwanted massage" (the evil bastard!) and then touched his thigh. His thigh!!!

I'm sorry, but you get the idea....

Wow! ! Touching a thigh? SCANDALOUS. Did I spell that correctly?

Give me a fucking break.

[quote] No, he's not a pedophile.

This is how Anthony Rapp looked like when we was assaulted by Spacey. Does that 14 year old look like anything other than a child? 😲

Watch out R330 you'll start the hebephile/pedophile gang off.

We had an uncle who touched the girls in the family, inappropriately. We all laughed behind his back...he was a young good looking guy, so why did he want to touch family thighs?

Why does Spacey get excited by being rejected, can anyone explain?

He likes straight men so I guess it comes with the territory , and I imagine given his fame etc he sometimes wins them over, but is probably disgusted at them afterwards for being all queer R332

Oh please, as if I believe Anthony Rap. If he was not an adult, why hang out with adults?

When I was 12 I certainly knew how to get out of arms reach of a pedophile , my mother had already informed me.

The Anthony Rapp allegation amounts to nothing as no sexual assault occurred. Was Spacey's conduct inappropriate? Possibly. However, we ultimately don't know enough about it.

[QUOTE]This is how Anthony Rapp looked like when we was assaulted by Spacey. Does that 14 year old look like anything other than a child? 😲

Spacey wasn’t a 59 year old geezer when the Rapp incident occurred—he was in his 20’s. Rapp, in real life, could’ve passed for a 17 year old young man. Spacey is no more a child molester than Oliver from Call Me By Your Name.

Predators have pervdar for victimizing those without that kind of nous R334 . My sister was abused by an uncle , sitting her on his lap with an erection, kissing with tongues ( I don't know if you'd consider that assault ) she was unable to tell anyone about it til he was dead, and it explained a lot about what a problematic life she had growing up.

This ridiculous case will never be won by the complaitent but Spacey needs to get his head straight. Yes I have been hearing that he has been acting like an asshole for years but Americans need to stop making excuses for men and women who act like spoiled little brats who are making something of absolutely nothing. Do you know how this kind of thing makes actual victims feel?

I think actual victims would be happy that sexual assault is taken seriously R338

R339 I don't think actual victims want to be associated with those who had a consensual sexual encounter and later regretted it.

Spacey doesn't do consent R339

The allegation made by the military adviser on Outbreak shows exactly the double-standard and borderline gay panic attitudes to perfectly ordinary sexual advances by gay men. If an actress had gotten her assistant to ask the man if he wanted to have sex, he would have been bragging about it to his friends and not reporting it to a gossip site years later as though something deeply traumatic had transpired.

R333 I'm sure someone like Spacey who idolizes Carol Burnett and hosted the Tony's is so ashamed of being gay. Projecting much?

That's the worst kind of queen, cherry picking the good stuff from the safety of the closet ( with Dianne ) R343

Speaking of cherry picking R328 you've chosen the mildest examples of his obnoxious behavior , I really don't get why you guys are so intent on protecting such a shitty person.

r345 I didn't choose anything, I went through the first seven and realized how pathetic they all were as "allegations" go, so I didn't bother with the rest. Describing them as "mild" is an overstatement. They're nothing.

Spacey didn't even TRY to turn that encounter into sex -- and that's per Rapp himself. It was a drunk moment and then the kid left without incident. Some of you gay haters are determined to set us back 50 years to predatory pedophiles and enjoying Spacey's predicament too damn much. Stupid cunts.

They are nothing in your opinion R346 , happily Spacey is ruined as he deserves to be, it doesn't matter what happens in the court case, his MO is out there now, not that it hasn't been for years. He's like Jimmy Savile ( not in seriousness of crimes ) in that everybody 'knew' long before it was confirmed. He also did himself no favors with that insane video

Spacey is responsible for his predicament. We know you are 'Team Kevin' R347 but he is not someone any self respecting gay man would want to protect or be associated with, he is a well deserved pariah. By the way is it better or worse to be a gay hater or, like you, a woman hater?

Wow! So many sex pest fans here. Thanks gang

R349 Women, just like men, are not above criticism.

Any self-respecting gay man would recognize the allegation of the military adviser on Outbreak as pure gay panic. Any self-respecting gay man would not rush to judgment if most of the accusations were from anonymous people who only seem interested in going to gossip sites to sell their stories. Any self-respecting gay man would understand what it's like to be in the closet and not treat those who remain(ed) there as scum. Any self-respecting gay man would realize the importance of not believing rumors and innuendo, especially when it is directed at a closeted gay man.

R352 Amen!

Criticism is one thing misogyny is another R351. Spacey is not a self respecting gay man, closet cases choose to lie. Your gay panic issue is not relevant, sexual advances from anyone nowadays are subject to the same scrutiny , Roger Ailes, Weinstein etc , etc .

You have a lot of sympathy for closet cases R354 but sexual assault victims are all feeble or liars.......ok. In any case Spacey used the closet to his advantage in not being exposed see R326 “Being closeted has for him enabled him to use this privacy claim as a shield against anybody looking closely at his actual behavior,”

The rape and pedo apologists are in full force. No, Rapp did not pass as a 20something, he looked like the 14 year old that he was. Fuck you disgusting queens.

R355 meant for R352

R328 forgot to mention his assistant which Netflix neglected. He came forward, complained during the first season of HOC and all Netflix did was put him on some probation which didn't help because he assaulted the guy again.

I'm really surprised, though maybe I shouldn't, that so many DLers are defending this asshole. Well I guess that goes hand in hand with the misogyny we see here everyday.

So it's a crime now to ask someone if they want sex with you?

Look, we all know what's going on here. In recent years there has been a focus on abuse in childhood and de-stigmatising that, which is as it should be. But, the vast majority of people abused as kids aren't getting therapy to help them process what happened and to move on to rewarding adult sexual experiences. So many of these poor troubled people are not able to handle normal adult sexual advances, they freak out, panic, are 'triggered', and - as we see these days - take to twitter to post of their devastation and trauma that some guy leered at them or asked them for a blowjob. It's very sad, they need help, and they need to learn how to manage their encounters with other adults in a way that keeps them safe and to accept that sexuality is part of what makes us human - you can't desex society. This creeping new mood of puritanism seeks to rob us of our human right to freedom of sexual expression - with, of course, the legal caveats - keep it out of the workplace and other formal settings, and take steps to determine your would be partner is willing.

Who is being treated as a criminal for asking someone for sex R359? Spacey doesn't ask, he grabs their junk and pesters them, that's the issue, it isn't puritanical to respect boundaries.

You said it R356 it stinks of them protecting their own. Their own being misogyists and closet cases.

I wonder if he was guilty of the five second rule or the lingering hug. Seriously though he was admonished for inappropriate workplace conduct, which these days could mean absolutely anything. The hoc staff were obviously not covering for criminal assault.

r361 Every gay man in history was in the closet at some point. What makes you so perfect?

History is the key word R361 historically there were reasons to lie but not now. I accept some feel the need to lhide in the closet still but it is far from admirable .

R364 It's far from admirable but to say that things are just fine now is extremely naive. Perhaps you're fortunate to live someplace where its acceptable, but even in places such as Hollywood, there is a huge double standard. The coverage of this case is but one example of how the media initially reported that the 18 year old was a boy.

"Spacey doesn't ask, he grabs their junk and pesters them, that's the issue, it isn't puritanical to respect boundaries."

Again, you are projecting. These are (mostly) aspiring actors getting attention from a major star and we have no idea what the tone was, what kind of flirting was going on, etc. Not buying the idea that he just grabs dicks out of nowhere. He'd have had a few busted jaws along the way if that were true.

Actors are whores, sorry, they love attention and are ambitious as hell because they have to be. Sorry, it's true. And they are not immune to trying to fuck up lives if things don't go the way they wanted -- or if that accusation itself will get them, that word again, Attention.

R365 Things are as fine as they have ever been, one of the things keeping them un-fine are closet cases being too cowardly to own who they are.

Amen R367

The linked article above is horrifying. One thing is very clear: Spacey has a compulsion. This isn't just a guy on a power trip. This is a guy who can't control his impulses. That's what makes him dangerous. Anthony Rapp has literally no reason to lie. He was at some kind of cast party the night Spacey assaulted him. He wasn't hanging around the adults, he was in one if the bedrooms watching TV. Spacey cleared the place out to be alone with him. He was 14.

What dings my bullshit radar is the mother's story that Spacey stuck her hand down her son's pants. read all the accounts in the article, and it demonstrates that Spacey has a pattern. When he gropes men, he does so over the clothes, not inside or under. The second thing that's fishy is that after the allegations about Weinstein came out, Unruh hopped on Twitter to announce that a "loved one" had been assaulted by Spacey. First of all, that's not her story to tell. Apparently she didn't think twice about exposing her son.

Then she did it again a few weeks later.

Right there, I know something about her is off. She had no right to go public with the story, anonymous or not. Outing her own son's assault is unforgivable. Anybody saying there isn't something shady about the mother needs to research the origins of this story,

Spacey unquestionably groped her son and grabbed his crotch, but I get the feeling the mother - on a high from the attention she got from her original tweet - embellished the whole "he stuck his hands in his pants" stuff. I also do not believe for a minute the son called her and said Spacey tried to rape him unless he said it in a joking way. This would all explain why the son isn't speaking on his own behalf. He's not a minor and he's not anonymous.

SPacey's a pedophile and predator and he sexually assaulted her son, but she most definitely stretched the truth to make this story stick.

2nd Unruh Tweet

So a major star is incapable of inappropriate behavior because actors are whores R366? Spacey should use that as his defense, they'll carry him from the court in triumph! Your disbelief that Spacey is a groper is extremely naive.

[quote]He's like Jimmy Savile ( not in seriousness of crimes ) in that everybody 'knew' long before it was confirmed.

And each of them Knighted. Each of them did enough Good Works to think themselves untouchable, which the Knighthood confirmed.

Which makes the Honours Committee look dim, and not thorough (or interested enough) in their researches.

Difference between Savile and Spacey (seriousness acknowledged) is that, given the times, Spacey's predilections are legion before his death. Even at Savile's death - before the floodgates opened - people were queueing up to say what a saint he was. Spacey now, not so much.

Oh my, did you see the latest pics of him? He's a fat fuck and he TUCKS IN HIS TSHIRT over his sweats! He should turn in his gay card! That is a no-no!!! You just emphasized your fatness!

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Spacey is getting it because the times have changed rapidly since and partly because of Savile R372 Pre Savile the attitude was in step with the Spacey defenders here, 'what's wrong with a bit of slap and tickle? You frigid? Walk it off bitch'. That doesn't cut it anymore. I'm not sure Spacey as a rabid closet case ever qualified for a gay card R373 even after his sneaky attempt at damage control coming out. And doesn't he look the picture of innocence at R374?

Well yes, those images @ R374 do rather undermine the would-be suave chutzpah of the video. Now we know what the Santa apron was masking.

Only just realised why said video was released at Christmas: of course it's because Spacey was uniquely wiped from 'All The Money In The World' that time last year.

He 'will not be ignored' - that's his nature. He'll continue to push back, however counter-productively. He Knows Enough, and gambles however mistakenly that the times might work for him. Pyrrhic victory at best.

[quote]He should turn in his gay card! That is a no-no!!! You just emphasized your fatness!

Sweetheart he has bigger worries than leisure wear styling and the size of his gut

[quote]Now we know what the Santa apron was masking.

I'll say

DM gays in full bitch mode

[quote]EXCLUSIVE: A plump and unkempt Kevin Spacey is seen in public for the first time in over a YEAR. The 59-year-old actor had a sizable gut and was dressed in a bizarre outfit that included sweatpants, a fitted undershirt and a makeshift balaclava.He was met by a man who looked to be his one-hit wonder manager Evan Lowenstein.The disgraced Oscar winner was seen emerging from a rehearsal space and making his way into a waiting minivan while dressed in sagging wind pants, unlaced shoes, a makeshift balaclava and an undershirt that strained to fit over his protruding gut. He then topped the look off with an unnecessary scarf.

maybe he's had a facelift and his hiding the scars?

Where was this "warehouse" from which he was emerging? Boston? Nanctucket? NY?

If he is ruined, we are the worse off. Same as us without Al Frankin, because of a silly picture of a woman who has no funny bone. Al was not touching her breast. That woman is just a jerk.

Without the toupee, without the dyed eyebrows, he looks like a frail old woman.

You're saying Spacey's victims should have more of a funny bone R382? I feel worse off for no Franklin, he was railroaded, but Spacey is bang to rights , bye Spacey, it was a long time coming but you're on the scrapheap now and rightly so.

Remember Phil Spector? After he was sent to jail, his beautiful, big hair was gone.

Speaking of the closet, it's so odd to hear Ellen on her new special going on about how she wishes more people would come out (implying "like I did"). It seems so out of touch since a huge number of actors, athletes, etc. have come out with little fanfare/fuss. It could just be a setup for her "There are even gay hairdressers" joke but it still feels like she doesn't get out much.

The rest of the special is pretty good, especially when she is in her day to day commentary zone.

Half of Hollywood is gay yet they are very few who are out

R379 lol

[quote] Victim shaming: Spacey's lawyer has got to work trying to discredit the 18-year-old boy accusing the actor of sexual assault

DM playing their hand yet again.

[quote] Karma-pax: The actor quickly found himself banished from the industry, after first trying to diffuse the allegations he assaulted an ujnderage Anthony Rapp by coming out as gay after six decades

He was closeted fetus. And Karma-pax? Who writes these crappy articles?

They are not the most flattering photos. Perhaps Spacey anticipated this which is why he released the video.

I suspect many posters are his paid PR, R345. The firm he was using came out around the time of the Rapp allegations, think it may have been based in Oz. You can see the similarities across sites as they are posting from talking points. The gay freedom angle was an early strategy - they are trying to cast criticizing KS as homophobic. It is a bit infuriating that he used being in the closet as a shield for decades, journos sat on stories, reluctant to out him. Now they are supposed to continue to do so in some sort of paroxym of sex positivity. Enough.

Perhaps R391 but sadly there are plenty of tragic old school queens ( proudly closeted ) here who are apoplectic at the idea of groping being off the menu. They are definitely trying to cast Spacey as a victim either way and that is truly pathetic.

[quote] Spacey is getting it because the times have changed rapidly since and partly because of Savile

So we're supposed to judge behavior from 30 years ago based on changes which occurred only within the last few years?

R393 er... Yes?

We don't excuse Balkan war criminals because they committed genocide 30 years ago. Crime is crime.

What is known about Evan Lowenstein, his purported manager, who seems joined at the hip with KS? He has no known experience or expertise in management to my knowledge.

The posters acknowledging that KS is a sex pest but then trying to frame the mother of the victim as the TRUE bad actor are just ludicrous. Any port in a storm is not gonna work for ya Kev.

Bye, Felicia!

[quote] What is known about Evan Lowenstein, his purported manager, who seems joined at the hip with KS? He has no known experience or expertise in management to my knowledge.

I'd guess their boyfriends, but nonexclusive.

R393 We don't have to go back 30 years to judge Spacey's crimes he has been a serial offender to date, and in any case R394 is correct, I'm afraid times up for Kev, bye Felicia indeed.

R395

It's totally possible for Spacey to have groped and therefore sexually assaulted the son AND For the mother to be a dishonest attention whore. You simply do not take it upon yourself to announce anyone else's sexual assault. She outed a sexual assault victim. It doesn't matter if it's her son.

Nobody involved in this narrative looks good. Spacey is a predator, the mom is an overbearing narcissist, and the son is weak for letting his Mom speak for him. This whole case is a mess and will ultimately hurt women and gay men.

Even the police said there was nothing incriminating on the tape. The closest thing to an "assault" was someone patting another person on the back, and the person was wearing a shirt. This kid knew Spacey from the bar, and he knew exactly what to do to attempt to set Spacey up. Too bad his plan failed miserably.

Damn, I've blocked half of you assault-defensive bitches.

The endless PR campaign suggests that Spacey thinks his career can survive this.

Pro tip: it didn't. The career is cooked. Hope he saved up, because as somebody pointed out the civil suits are a-comin.

This situation only hurts Spacey R398 And your plan to get Spacey off the hook has failed spectacularly R399 he's totally fucked.

Grow a set, r400. Your constant need to block posters makes me wonder why you keep posting here.

No, R398, it will hurt KEVIN SPACEY and has already done so.

Not women and not gay men, unless they are identified as his primary defenders. No one is responsible for his actions but Kev, over and over and over spanning decades. At work, socializing, becoming aggressive with peers and young men alike, many of them straight. Colleagues described him as handsy and persistent. You think he was less than with those he considered the little people? If he is convicted by the authorities in Nantucket or not, his career is over. There are many, many additional cases pending. It is likely that his knighthood will be revoked as well. He, like Cosby and Weinstein, and Sandusky had a very long run. Times changed and his time is up.

Why do you assume that the mother did not have the permission of the son? You do realize that she works in media and he had just graduated high school? She had lots of Twitter followers, he did not. I make the opposite assumption, that the kid decided to report to police and consented or perhaps even asked his media savvy mother to act as a spokesperson.

[quote]Your constant need to block posters makes me wonder why you keep posting here.

Oh that one's easy. When somebody's so aggressively willing to defend a sexual predator I know for certain I never want to hear anything else coming out of their mouth ever again.

There are still interesting opinions to be had here, most of whom I disagree with. I've got no beef there. But racists, incels and psychos are the the ones we all need to filter out of our lives.

🍀 SHENANIGANS !

Why is it anyone's business who stays in the closet and who comes out?

R404 = Sheldon Cooper

Sounds like R404 could use some attention from a sexual predator tonight. Maybe he’ll loosen up that tight ass of yours.

Unless someone finds studies where closeted gay men commit more sexual assaults or sex-pesting than out gay men, the comments about closet queens are red herrings. Is Bryan Singer closeted?

Don't know of any studies in that arena.....but if we are going on anecdotal evidence, a good chunk of the cases I've read about involving male-on-male harassment, rape, peeping Tom offenses, etc. involve closeted or in denial guys.

Does your wife know you post here, R408? Because you have "closeted shame-filled hate sex" pasted all over your fat pasty white ass.

r399, you sound dumb. At the time, Spacey had never been publicly accused of anything, so why would he choose to "set up" Spacey? He's a straight 18-year-old, not an eldergay who posts on the datalounge. I doubt he knew the truth about Spacey. We all know Kevin hits on pretty much any cute chicken he meets, so why are you so reluctant to believe this?

And the idiots claiming the mom "outed" her son as a victim.....um, no, she did it with his permission.

[QUOTE]Does your wife know you post here, R408? Because you have "closeted shame-filled hate sex" pasted all over your fat pasty white ass.

I haven’t fucked a girl since high school, I’ve been openly gay since college, I’ve got a steady boyfriend, I’m not white and I’m not fat. You stupid asshole.

Heather Unruh was a respected TV reporter in Boston, no instance of attention-seeking I ever heard of, unlike other figures in that business at the time. She's the kind of mother who doesn't take any crap. How many kids (oh sorry, I mean adults who have junior drivers' licenses and aren't old enough to drink) would have been better off with a mother like this, than one who assumes the kid is making it up, or doesn't want trouble in their summer place, or is worried how the Datalounge Sewing Circle will judge her ?

R409 Spacey is a closet case, he is being discussed his closetry is therefore is very relevant. His type seems to be straight men who don't want him, typical closet, even his coming out was at gunpoint and only happened as an attempt to disguise his appalling antics, there is no need to cross reference with other closet cases, he is closet case enough. There are a frightening number of closet cases on DL, I didn't realize so many gay men still felt the need to hide, very sad, but you only have to look through any thread and see the references to gayface, purses falling from mouths, and other self hatred to see how the closet poisons. Very disturbing that so many here champion a piece of shit like Spacey.

R414 You claim this woman is a "respected TV reporter". Now who are the people who 'respect' this person we've never heard of?

Spacey is still a perverted sex pest R416 however you try to smear the mother

'What is known about Evan Lowenstein, his purported manager, who seems joined at the hip with KS? He has no known experience or expertise in management to my knowledge."

I wonder about him, too. Does he pimp for Kevin? Kevin told the teen that his "manager" could help get the kid a job. Supposedly, Dana Brunetti used to pimp for KS and help cover up his crimes.....

[quote]I haven’t fucked a girl since high school, I’ve been openly gay since college, I’ve got a steady boyfriend, I’m not white and I’m not fat. You stupid asshole.

You sound triggered. Such a delicate flower for a wannabe sexual predator.

R404 description of you sounds more authentic than your own R413 in light of you wishing a sexual attack on a stranger, your boyfriend got a real catch.

Which leads to my previous point. Why in the name of seven hells would I want to have a conversation ever again with some thin-skinned psycho dipshit who's actively wishing for me to be raped?

Blocking on DL isn't censorship, it's a quarantine.

Where did I wish for you to be raped?

In your fantasy for R404 the visit from a sexual predator you wish for him was going to loosen his ass, sounds pretty rapey to me R422.

He’s a big boy, R423. He can speak for himself.

I'm speaking for myself I dislike your attitude R424

R416 Um, from people in Boston, where she worked. On TV. I guess the TV signal didn't get to your tiki bar in Key West. You should probably pass on posting in threads where you have no clue.

What on Earth are you people talking about here?

Don't worry Darfur, Kevin will be coming to a youth shelter near you.

Love you, r231.

R254 For someone prone to slippery slope, you should wear a helmet. Your brain is clearly damaged from all the whack whack whack brain damage you’ve taken.

Actual assault is not the same think as your imagined assault. Nor is the mother’s whoring her son for her 15 minutes of fame - all while he’s supposedly snapchatting his girlfriend gonig to support charges of assault.

Have you by any chance taken a look at the floor plan of this business? I can assure you Spacey’s lawyers have and have modeled where he was sitting and how improbable the claim is that he he has his penis exposed.

It's funny that the existence of an incriminating video was debunked at the hearing, yet the media reported the video as proof for days afterwards. If Spacey is so guilty, why is everyone going to such great lengths to make him look worse? Even if you start to examine the allegations that came out in the wake of the metoo, the majority of those interviewed say they were hardly affected by it, thought it was funny, thought it was mostly awkward etc.

R241 "The majority of those interviewed" R431 ? So what ? Yes, a co-worker who wasn't involved, or a friend who wasn't groped might think it was a hoot; duh they weren't affected by it. I'm not saying it's rape, but why are you crowd-sourcing how significant it was ? Obviously if a woman who saw the encounter asked if the kid was ok, and advised him to run - not leave, run - she could see he was in distress.

What pills do you suppose KS is on when he posts in here?

Does he sweat profusely when he is angry?

Yes R434 , and his toupee swivels.

When a man wears a toupee you know that their self-esteem is very low.

especially such an undersized one that looks as if its slipping off.

Why would he post here, with you bunch of old women?

R438 He's a bitter closet case with time on his hands he fits right in.

It's like he admits to being slightly bald, but not completely bald.

It's like his lame Tony's hosting R440 the Sunset Blvd turban/cape and the I'M COMING OUT of make up bit, another half admission. Everybody goes on about his genius but I think he was getting to the end of his time anyway. That Tony's gig was poor quality his Mr showmanship reputation with the ( dated ) impressions and tap dancing was getting to be more like your unfunny 'funny' uncle at a family gathering, the uncle you were warned not to be left alone with.

If I was a lawyer looking to win cases I’d choose the defence right now. Spacey will walk. And the mother speaking for an adult son isn’t helping.

You would say that Kevin R442, sadly this is far from an isolated incident, you can't blame mothers or sissy boys who can't take a groping, it's all on you...ta ta!

Al Pacino is one of his best friends so why does he not testify in his favour, or just try to help him a little bit ?

Spacey may be a perv and he may be a louse, but no way is he going to do serious time for copping a feel on an adult.

Bottom line: Very possibly a no contest plea, a fine, community service, and court ordered therapy.

And he will be back on the screen. They may even re-edit that movie to get rid of Christopher Plummer.

Flawless men are annoying and perfection doesn't exist...... So yes, we (specially in Europe Spain, Italy, France...) still love Kevin Spacey and we miss him. Sorry for this truth !

Dream on apologists, not enough people want to see that pervy old closet case , 'Billionaires Boys Club' anyone?

What is Dianne Dreyer doing ? Where is she while he has so much problems ???!!!

R446 is delusional

(R449) are we forced to think like you ? Since when ???!!!

Some people think the earth is flat R450 you think what you want but you make yourself look very foolish

^ It's the "Kevin Spacey is guilty of EVERYTHING!!!!@!" Troll Frau. You can't reason with her, she defies logic and explanation, because She Knows she's right about everything!

(R451) High profil. Very intellectual. As I see you are the kind of person who can't debate without judging and insulting : "make yourself look foolish" is an example...

LOL at the concept that Europeans (or anyone else) " adore" Spacey... Or have even thought about him since the early 2000s

Welcome to Datalounge R453 There is nothing to debate Spacey is a shit and your love of him disturbing.

R446, I am from Europe and I certainly do NOT miss Kevin Spacey.

Welcome to Datalounge R453

(R454) You can like it or not but K.SPACEY is A BIG STAR IN EUROPE. And in France a lot of people miss him.

(R456) O.K but you don't represent Europe.

I'd like to grab Kevin and his spacey while he's wearing his sexy Santa apron.

R458, neither do you, you laughing stock.

There's plenty to grab R459

R29 - Well said - but just like in a gay bar or bath house if the advance is unwanted you push the unwanted hand away or simply walk away. You don't sit there for 3 minutes. This story on Nantucket sucks - it looks to me like a washed-up news anchor (Heather Unruh) wants another 15 minutes of fame. Mommy (Heather) brought forth the charges - the "victim" was nowhere to be seen. Talk about helicopter parenting.

How come you know, R461? Did you have a very, ummm, personal encounter with him?

OMG. If you block r455, SEVENTY posts in this thread disappear. They are all from the same person and a lot of them are long diatribes attacking whoever suggests Spacey isn't guilty of everything. They have been responding nonstop.

_70_ posts! That's like 1/5 of this thread!

This person is an insane freak. Put them on ignore and you'll see what I mean.

R452 How kind of you to take time from jerking off over pictures of Kev from the depths of your closet to offer another example of your sprakling wit, hurry back to your closet now or the Fraus may get you!

R458 I'm Swiss. I'm pretty sure I haven't heard his name since The Shipping News. It figures the French would idolise a sex pest though.

(R460) but you don't work in the movie industry, don't you ? so you don't know what you are talking about.

R465 = insane freak. Must... Respond.. to everything!@ with an ad hominem attack!

You should be banned. You add nothing to the conversation, and in all likelihood, nothing to life, either.

R467, so do you.

(R469) Yes I do.

lol

Isn't being a sexual predator a prerequisite for working in the French " film industry" such as it is?

Block away fuckface R468 I'm thoroughly enjoying wiping the floor with you tragic apologists, keep setting'em up and I'll keep knocking you down, keep counting the posts and watch out for the Fraus...they're coming for you!

Hey, Spacey looney, why don't you become an Uber driver? Kev seems to enjoy Uber pretty much, getting aroused by their driving skills - at least this would explain why he feels the need to proposition them relentlessly.

Don't be silly everyone no one whose a BIG STAR IN EUROPE could possibly be a bad person.

Ahhh... blissful silence with that freak on ignore. I see the post numbers increasing but don't have to pretend to care that what they are saying isn't a mental illness

(R472) = "Free" attack. Go for the FRENCH Bashing....Only because French admire Polanski, Spacey and others. Yes French don't cut their head, it's forbidden since 1981. A last thing, French are not puritains.

R477, we don't bash the French in general, we only bash you and your deluded ramblings.

Good riddance to Frau hater R476 he didn't have a hot ass and couldn't live forever, we wish him the obscurity of Spacey.

(R478) = "deluded ramblings" only because we respect artists whatever they do and we accept their part of obscurity only because it makes part of them (like Man Ray, Picasso...and what about the writers?.....the list is very long).

Where would you draw the line R480 ? Is there any kind of misconduct you would find too much or is your ability to separate art from artist inviolate?

1. No one particularly LIKES KS, but he has had some good roles in the past. He is simply smarmy, snarky and oozes smugness. 2. Can he not afford rent boys? Propositioning uber drivers and imposing unwanted advances on young men in public? Icky desperation.

He has a fetish for making others uncomfortable and scared. Consent doesn't turn him on. He's a cunt. He's probably living in Polankis pool house.

R480 No ones arguing that he wasn't/ isn't talented...But he's still a cunt. A person can be a talented cunt.

(R481) I (and most of French directors) separate art from artist. To me there is no draw line because I separate Art from the artist "private life" or the artist "political opinions" ; I know it can be very shocking (and I saw all the injuries about what I've said) for some of you, american or english people, but if the artist is very very talented like Kevin SPACEY, I don't care about all the "rest".

Why should an artist get away with behavior that would finish a plumber, mechanical engineer or cheff?

That sounds a bit like Melania's coat slogan R485 I know people are loathe to give up on their favorites ( Michael Jackson comes to mind ) but it seems selfish when the talent is twisted in some way and their victims have to watch them being feted, there are plenty of talented people around to enjoy who aren't sexual predators.

(R486) because life is unfair. But a plumber or a mechanical engineer can still working (once they've been judged).

It's not the case of Kevin SPACEY who is not allowed to work in the movie industry. Not for now and not after his judgement (I'm not very optimistic) which is very UNFAIR;

R448 I strongly think Dianne is in the latest photos in DM. Smallish woman wearing coat, her hoods up but could be her. Are they rehearsing Spacey being questioned ? Really weird. I dont rate Lowersteins decisions. I also think alot more has gone on behind the scenes in this case.

(R487) = I am exhausted by so many stupid answers and bigotry.

"I DO NOT TALK TO ASSHOLES THAT HEARS" ( Michel Audiard great and very talented French screen player).

If you think it's bigoted to have a low opinion of serial sex offenders then your compass is way off R490

Bullshit if a plumber rapes someone they go to fucking PRISON. They aren't affoded the sympathy of entire nations and given Oscars afterwards.

[quote]Flawless men are annoying and perfection doesn't exist

Odd how something which doesn't exist can be annoying.

As though if an entire list of Spacey's worst transgressions were read out to him, and he shrugged, 'Well, nobody's perfect.' Indeed, but some are clearly more imperfect than others.

On what planet is Kevin Spacey A BIG STAR IN EUROPE???? WTF no chance in hell... His last big movie was American Beauty, no one remembers that even. Agreed that the older French tend to banalize rape, but that's the Catherine Deneuve, Polanski generation... FFS

FWIW Deneuve is 75, Polanski is 85...

So young!

Meh, you can dislike the man for his proclivities but admire his work. There are a subset of posters who have clearly never liked Spacey - even back when the rumors were just rumors and before #metoo's normalized extreme reactions to accusations.

I, personally, have always thought there was something off about him, but he leveraged that into his acting and the roles that he chose, creating truly memorable performances. House of Cards wasn't my type of show, but it was the flagship for Amazon Prime for years, earning awards and accolades galore in no small part due to Spacey.

His being revealed to be somewhat lecherous doesn't mean that he hasn't had a notable and long career.

[quote]K.SPACEY is A BIG STAR IN EUROPE. And in France a lot of people miss him.

Cheri, France made Sylvester Stallone a Chevaler de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres - for his acting greatness, no less. How we laughed!

[quote]Agreed that the older French tend to banalize rape, but that's the Catherine Deneuve, Polanski generation... FFS

Remember Dominique Strauss-Kahn? Serial raper of hotel staff and women at Belgian swingers parties? He had plenty of support from the creeps who populate the upper echelons of French life, as does Polanski, who France treats like a persecuted demi-god. How about fattie French icon Gérard Depardieu, currently under investigation for raping a 22 year old woman at his Paris mansion this summer? His good friend Catherine Deneuve along wth 100 other French female cultural figures publicly chastised Me Too in an open latter.

Oh and news from Paris that Brigitte Macron is in trouble for posing for photos with a Paris Christmas fair organiser who says things such as [about former First Deputy Mayor Bruno Julliard, who is openly gay] “He brought in all the gays of the planet. That means that the whole city is governed by gays.” He continued: “Me, I have nothing against gays—I usually say ‘fags’ but I was told yesterday that you shouldn’t say that anymore. So I do not say ‘fags’ anymore, I say ‘gays.’ I have nothing against them except they are a little perverse.”

France is fucked up. And it's power and influence in the world will be over when the EU breaks up in the next 12-24 months.

[quote]He has a fetish for making others uncomfortable and scared.

It's called sexual sadism.

R497 enjoyed HOC so case dismissed. Somewhat lecherous? Bit modest there, but I see from trolldar you are annoyed by the unashamedly gay , baby gay lip syncer ( who is brilliant by the way...check him out ) so it's a fair guess that you prefer your gays under the radar.

I was referring to his fat gut when I said there was plenty grab under his santa apron R463

Actually he looks like he’s been working out. He might be turning into a muscle daddy.

(R499) : French bashing, I was right...

So have any actual solid accusations of genuine sexual assault surfaced against Spacey yet. Apparently, he was notorious for it in the London theater world (so horrified were young male actors there that it was a common source of humor amongst them) and there's literally hundreds and hundreds of sordid tales. So, erm, where are they?

(R505) because mythomania is a psychiatric illness. "he touch me, he looked at me, I felt in danger" : nothing concrete. BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA

That's why people, and I repeat in EUROPE is very respected and KNOWN, defend him. By the way, he is not interested to children, he likes young men which is completely different. But on this thread some people melt everything, that's why the Kevin Spacey's threads are a mess.

Spacey is not worth protecting

[QUOTE]Brian Lloyd 5 months ago

Anything come of this fusillade of investigations?

Team Spacey! He’ loved the world over and couldn’t care less that he hit on an adult who can’t even speak up for himself and has his mommy do it.

Seriously, if Spacey was as bad and as prolific an offender as we're supposed to believe, why are the accusations against him so far so... flimsy?

Nobody here dated him or slept with him or knew him personally and however everybody talks like if K.SPACEY an intimate friend or a boyfriend. That's DELIRIOUS.

The law takes its time as it should R509 patience. If he was loved the world over he wouldn't have been in hiding for the past year R510

He's not wearing his mini-wig in the pic at R508 and it's not a much different look, why does he bother to wear a wig that duplicates what little hair he has anyway?

People who believe without seeing or without proofs are dangerous ; mostly are uneducated and stupids followers because they have no brain (R475) & (R499).

So Spacey is so pathetic now that he's here again defending his psychopathy? Dude you didn't convince people here 20 years ago and you ain't gonna convince them now with that many victims coming forward. Please kill yourself and take your pedo friend Brian with you.

You don't care what kind of pervert he is R515 proof or no proof, so long as he turns in a good performance, that is your ( strange ) position to which you entitled, but you certainly don't speak for Europe as you grandly believe.

Victims ? lol.....they want to make it in the film industry. That's the point.

He touched my thigh! He got his assistant to ask me if I wanted to have sex with him! He watched gay porn with me and then I went home untouched!

(R517) I don't believe anything, I'm just trying to say what I know. I don't talk for England, that's sure.

Nor anywhere else, you just speak for yourself .

You people defending Spacey are disgusting. There is video evidence of his latest assault. Kevin Spacey is a serial sexual predator and he is finally (finally!) going down for it.

I've been living in many countries of Europe since a few years...so I think I can say what I know about certain mentalities of Europe, even If I speak for myself, like everybody here (R521)....

[QUOTE]There is video evidence of his latest assault.

Yeah, we know. CNN spent 36 hours telling the world of this video while ignoring what it actually shows (which is nothing).

[quote]Kevin Spacey is a serial sexual predator

So why are the allegations against him thus far so pathetic?

Big Deal R523 , you still can't claim to speak for the whole of Europe ( minus England )

Be patient, R525, the victims will have ample opportunity to tell their truths. They number in the dozens.

[quote]A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception. The term, a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock, originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an Internet community who spoke to, or about, themselves while pretending to be another person.[1]

[quote]The term now includes other misleading uses of online identities, such as those created to praise, defend or support a person or organization,[2] to manipulate public opinion,[3] or to circumvent a suspension or ban from a website. A significant difference between the use of a pseudonym[4] and the creation of a sockpuppet is that the sockpuppet poses as an independent third-party unaffiliated with the puppeteer. Sockpuppets are unwelcome in many online communities and may be blocked.

r527 is staring into her crystal ball...

“Victims.” Guy wakes up to someone giving him a blowjob and he’s a VICTIM? I would’ve nutted in his mouth, told him not to do it again and moved on with my life. Not go crying to the fucking police.

Because Spacey is pathetic R525 he acts like a horny teenager rubbing up against boys and not knowing when to take no for an answer, you seem to think rape is the only form of sexual crime. The onus should not be upon the person who has the obnoxious behavior visited upon them as you guys here seem to think, it is upon the perpetrator to grow the fuck up and stop acting like someone who just discovered their dick.

R530, the victims of Kevin Spacey's sexual assaults don't cease to be victims just because you have rape fantasies.

“Rape fantasies.” Getting a blowjob is rape now? Give me a fucking break.

[quote]Because Spacey is pathetic

No, he's alleged to be a highly prolific criminal who has committed hundreds upon hundreds of sexual assaults. And yet, the allegations thus far are so flimsy they're laughable. Most of them aren't even crimes or even particularly noteworthy. Why?

Yeah, call me when Kevin is actually penetrating somebody’s asshole against their will. Then you haters will have something. I don’t give a damn about him feeling somebody up under a table.

No, R533, getting a blowjob is not rape. Giving a blowjob to a person while he is sleeping as described in R530's post is rape. If you don't believe me, enter a man's bedroom while he is sleeping and start sucking his dick without permission. See what happens.

Kevin Spacey will do prison time. Bank on it.

Kevin Spacey visited Jeffrey Epstein's Pedo Island. His name appears on the flight logs of the Lolita Express. He accompanied a former POTUS on one flight.

[QUOTE]If you don't believe me, enter a man's bedroom while he is sleeping and start sucking his dick without permission. See what happens.

I would never do such a thing, being that I’m a dominant top. But if it were done to me, I wouldn’t go calling 911. Maybe I’d slug the guy. Maybe I’d get my rocks off. But then I’d go back to sleep.

That is your prerogative, R538. But it does not give Kevin Spacey the right (in public, no less) to shove his hand down the pants of an 18-year-old heterosexual who did not want Spacey to do that.

And what did the man do afterward? What happened beforehand that made Spacey think he had the green light to step up his pursuit of the lad? I need context. He didn’t just randomly walk up to him and shove his hand down there.

What do you think? Is Kev a bottom or a top? Or is he into both?

People upset because Spacey hasn’t wilted and wallowed in depression like they’d hoped and the tabloids had made up are the ones with issues.

R542, Spacey has wilted to the extent that he has not been seen in public since Anthony Rapp made his accusation. Spacey is obviously wallowing in solitude. That video he just released is downright bizarre. It seems to indicate that he is going crazy with paranoia and fear.

Spacey never sucked MY cock!

[quote]Spacey has wilted to the extent that he has not been seen in public since Anthony Rapp made his accusation

Not being seen in public and not being photographed in public are two different things.

R543, wasn't he in some institution for a while?

Judging by the video, he hasn't much benefitted from his séjour there.

Lol at the revelation that one of the hardheaded Spacey accuser trolls is also one of the "the EU is Doomed. Doooomed!!" trolls.

I want to ride Kevin's spacey, making him squeal with delight and forget about grabbing young lads.

Why do these investigations drag on for months and years? You would think this was a Russia conspiracy or something.

[quote][R360]Who is being treated as a criminal for asking someone for sex [R359]? Spacey doesn't ask, he grabs their junk and pesters them, that's the issue, it isn't puritanical to respect boundaries.

What proof have you seen that he grabbed this guy's junk? At this point, it's an accusation. You shouldn't state something so emphatically when you're making an assumption that his accusation is true.

I want to investigate Kevin's spacey.

Hey, Mr Spacey

Won't you please grope my schlong

You haven't done anything wrong

Hey, Mr. Spacey

Won't you please roofie me and then take a ride

But the video! The video revealing everything! It will prove everything!!!!!!!!!

Well, I would've liked the video much better if Kevin had started to take off his sexy Santa apron and the rest of his clothes, followed by showing off his special skills on his spacey.

CNN and its ilk were breathlessly reporting on how the straight to VOD film BIllionare Boys Club bombed at the box office, yet the video Spacey uploaded received millions of hits in just a few days as well as a shit ton of likes. There are a lot of people in the upper ranks who want to see Spacey destroyed. I'm beginning to think that Spacey may have dirt on them by the way they have tried so hard to control the narrative and leave out important facts in their reporting. The video below is interesting since it explains why Spacey takes back control by being defiant while confronting the false headlines.

It's interesting how at first there were "dozens" of young men who Spacey had pestered, and now somewhere upthread someone says that there have been "hundreds" of victims. This is how gossip spreads, Until there's proof (like a sleazy presidential candidate recorded by a third-party admitting that he grabs women by the pussy) and one of Spacey's accusers presents credible evidence of an assault, then he must be presumed innocent. Yes, Spacey is probably extra horny and assertive and sleazy, just like some professional athletes who claim to have bedded thousands of partners, 80's rock stars, and today's rappers, and just like a bunch of people I've come across in everyday life.

Can't Spacey be creepy and predatory and skeezy AND some of his "victims" be accountable for putting themselves in those positions? I mean, more than one thing can be true.

r556 We may never know the true figure, but I'm certain that this monster has literally murdered the innocent souls of millions of young teenager boys with his deviant homosexual tendrils.

R556 It's blatant homophobia. If Spacey is an entitled asshole, he's no more so than any of those other people you describe. The narrative being spun by the media is very anti gay, equating homosexuality with pedophilia by routinely lying about the accusers' ages, misrepresenting facts that have already been made public, publishing stories without corroborating evidence, and on and on. Disgusting.

Watched the first episode of HOC s6. What a shit show. Poorly paced and anti climactic. Robin Wright can still hold my attention, but every one else blends in with the set dressing. They should have just cancelled it.

Is anyone taken in by gurleen R538 and their John Wayne drag act?

Shame Spacey put himself in that position then isn't it? R559 Spacey is no friend to the gay world so fuck him

Since Spacey "chose to live as a gay man", why doesn't he reverse his "choice" and live a different Hollywood-friendlier "lifestyle"?

[QUOTE]Is anyone taken in by gurleen R538 and their John Wayne drag act?

Tread lightly, pilgrim. It’s not an act.

I’m definitely #TeamSpacey. And his video has won YouTube which goes to show just how of touch the media is with the general public. People are tired of trial by social media mobs.

R565, you also like Donald Trump and FOX "News", don't you?

The amount of people who've seen Spacey's video is incredible. And the 200k likes. It's also spawned hundreds of video reactions and analyses, on top of the thousands of articles written about it around the world. He's definitely seized the initiative.

[QUOTE]CNN and its ilk were breathlessly reporting on how the straight to VOD film BIllionare Boys Club bombed at the box office, yet the video Spacey uploaded received millions of hits in just a few days as well as a shit ton of likes. There are a lot of people in the upper ranks who want to see Spacey destroyed. I'm beginning to think that Spacey may have dirt on them by the way they have tried so hard to control the narrative and leave out important facts in their reporting.

Makes you wonder what other stories the media is half assing. What if we didn’t have DL and couldn’t know the truth? Millions of people now think Spacey is on tape groping some naive teenage busboy against his will because all they know is what they see on CNN.

If the weakness of the allegations so far are any indication, Spacey probably isn't going to be convicted of anything. I think he just needs one moral and brave director to give him a decent role and his talent will do the rest. What a comeback that will be...

LOL, is the Spacey lunatic now entirely talking to himself on this thread?

Swoon R564 you're so butch! Except you're as much a queen as anyone ekse here 'pilgrim' no wonder you kiss Spacey ass all the straight acting bullshit. Yawn!

R445 - Yes, Spacey is not going to do serious time for a groping. If convicted, he's going to do a year or less, have 1-2 years post supervision with mandated counseling. But he is going to jail because victim's rights are paramount these days. Pleading no contest is the same as pleading guilty. But he will also become a registered sex offender for at least 15 years, maybe life depending on his sex offender risk assessment. And he'll definitely pay out a couple of lawsuits - definitely from the Nantucket victim & the LA masseuse. Its easier to get civil awards with convictions. If he's convicted, his career will be definitely over. The only way he has an inkling of a shot of coming back is if he survives ALL of the criminal investigations.

[QUOTE]Swoon R564 you're so butch! Except you're as much a queen as anyone ekse here 'pilgrim' no wonder you kiss Spacey ass all the straight acting bullshit. Yawn!

I don’t like to look down on those of us who possess feminine traits. In fact I like my bottoms to be fem—none of that versatile stuff for me. But I can assure you that I display none of those characteristics. Doesn’t make me better than anyone else, just different.

All those fuming 'progressive' fraus baying for Kev's head on a spike all wrote to Obama demanding the pardon of those psycho hillbillies in Wisconsin that killed and chopped up and burned that lady, of that you can be sure.

I've long admired Spacey's work (OK, he was far too old to play Bobby Darin, but dammit, he tried) but suspect he's gonna be convicted.

The reasons are two-fold: the family's lawyer, Mitchell Garabedian, is good. He brought down a Cardinal - something no other lawyer in Massachusetts managed before he did - at the start of priest-pedophille scandals involving the Catholic Church. The other is the definition of sexual assault in Massachusetts where the alleged offense took place (from the site statelaws findlaw dot com/massachusetts-law/massachusetts-sexual-assault-laws with a link to the applicable statutes found in the Massachusetts criminal code.)

In Massachusetts, [bold]sexual assault is defined as any crime in which the offender subjects the victim to sexual touching that is unwanted and offensive.[/bold] The [bold]unwanted sex act is one that is forced upon someone, whether it is penetration or simply sexualized touching. Grabbing a woman's buttocks without her permission, for example, would be considered sexual assault and not rape.[/bold]

Are there Different Types of Sexual Assault in Massachusetts?

Yes, there are two categories of sexual assault – indecent assault and battery, and aggravated sexual assault. If any harm comes to the victims as a result of the indecent assault, it can be elevated to an aggravated indecent assault crime. Essentially, if any medical attention is required due to injuries sustained during a sexual assault, it becomes a case of aggravated sexual assault. With this will come much harsher punishments including longer prison sentences. [bold]Regardless, both crimes are forms of sexual assault involve sexual contact that is manipulated, forced, or coerced. Sexual assault will land the offender in prison and likely on the Massachusetts Sex Offender Registry Board.[/bold]

See also Rape, Statutory Rape, and Sex Offenders and Sex Offenses.

Code Sectionst MGL: Chapter 265, Section 13 et seq.

," the victims will have ample opportunity to tell their truths. They number in the dozens."

Then where ARE they all, Blanche? Going on two years and the most we get is a video of a hand on a shirt? Tons of "investigations" and no meat? Spacey must be smiling inside, though long road ahead. Harvey too.

Put up or shut up, MeToo assholes.

R576 - Its one thing to tell your story to the media. Its another thing to tell your story to the police. Most people told their story to the media. But for Spacey, 9 people gave criminal complaints - 2 in LA, 1 in Nantucket, 6 in England.

Now, depending on the results of the investigation & statute of limitations, some of those complaints will not be prosecuted. We know 1 of those LA cases was dropped. The last thing I heard from the UK is that they've extended the investigation of the 2013 claim from Gloucester (the most recent accusation there). But the Nantucket claim is going to court. So we're going to see what happens.

[quote] CNN spent 36 hours telling the world of this video while ignoring what it actually shows (which is nothing).

CNN hasn't been an actual news organization in many years.

I wonder how Spacey's lawyers bill the hours spent by their sockpuppets on this thread? "Image Management"?

(R526) Are you stupid or just mildly retarded ? I never said I was speaking for the whole Europe.

THREAD CLOSED.

Most Americans, seemed fine when lowlife Trump was groping women, didn't they?

I'm telling you, Spacey will not be convicted.

R536 - Getting a blowjob while you're sleeping and not consenting to it is Sexual Assault, not Rape.

Rape is very specific. It involves penetration of the anus or vagina, or oral penetration BY a sexual organ, without the person's consent. In other words, if Spacey forced HIS penis into the mouth of the victim, that's Rape.

R582 - I won't guarantee anything, but right now I think its still 50/50. We know what the prosecution has, we just don't know what the defense will bring. With what we know, if the defense has a good case then this trial is toast.

R582 Bookmark that for future reference. I'm not psychic, so I have no idea how it ends. Maybe he'll pay off the kid with a big settlement and there will be no trial, much less a conviction.

Good lawyers never want a client to go near a courtroom if they can help it because they don't know what's going to happen there. Just ask General Flynn...

R573 Your humble bragging suggests otherwise

[quote]THREAD CLOSED

Dream on, R581

R580 THREAD OPEN You are a hypocritical goon...quote from you earlier 'High profil. Very intellectual. As I see you are the kind of person who can't debate without judging and insulting' yet calling me retarded is fine. You have been banging on about Europe all throughout ,another quote from you 'Flawless men are annoying and perfection doesn't exist...... So yes, we (specially in Europe Spain, Italy, France...) still love Kevin Spacey and we miss him. Sorry for this truth !' You do not speak for Europe thankfully as you are an idiot in any language.

R586's message is for R580, of course.

Kevin has had 30 victims officially coming forward. At least two of them, with indisputable accounts. Spacey never once said he didn't hop on top of 14 FOURTEEN year old Anthony Rapp, he said he couldn't remember, so, right here you see a guilty person, an innocent person would just say it didn't happen. Then, there's the assistant. Netflix CONFIRMED he was put on probation on season one of HOC because he assaulted an assistant and then assaulted him again. The fact Netflix kept working with him after this, is another problem in itself. He disputes Richard Dreyfuss' son account and all the other 28 victims so far. Add this to years of Datalounge posters warning about his antics and I think it's safe to say this guy is a rapist and a psychopath. I rest my case.

Kevin Spacey led a charmed life for many years and was not held accountable for his pervy gropings and sexual aggressions. Sometimes he got lucky and sometimes he did not. But dude thought because he was "star" that the rules did not apply to him. And for many years they didn't. Until they did. He likely has not done anything a lot of other pervy "old school gays" did not do when times were different and self-hate and the closet was the norm, particularly for public figures. The difference is he was famous and had access to a lot MORE tail than the average baby-boomer gay. Some people posting are jealous of all the ass he has gotten and some are just repulsed. Some are both. At the end of the day...he's over. In terms of all that free dick and ass he got over the decades. He is now paying the piper, so to speak.

R582, how can you be so confident? I think he will be found guilty but not go to jail, probably probation. The most important thing is he will be a Registered Sex Offender. See R575 regarding the law. He merely has to "touch"

[quote] In Massachusetts, sexual assault is defined as any crime in which the offender subjects the victim to sexual touching that is unwanted and offensive.

That's all it takes. If Spacey touched his genitals, whether inside or outside his clothes and if it was unwanted, then it's indecent sexual assault. I heard the victim didn't show any emotions to the police and seemed to laugh it off but with his family and friends, acted otherwise, he was very upset.

Spacey lovers are incorrigible R591, they are ideologically opposed to political correctness and the changing world, they see Spacey as the victim, but their world is disappearing, they are like a polar bear stranded on a shrinking ice cap, political correctness has won the day, they can't say certain words or behave in certain ways they were used to from the good old days and it eats them alive. Spacey is one of their own and he's going down because of his own arrogance .

R592 If you're trying to make the argument that we need even more political correctness, then you're argument is an utter failure. If you're actually defending Spacey and your post is an attempt at satire, then I apologize.

R592 People will always revolt against being overly PC. FFS, even young people who never grew up during the scandalous time you keep alluding to regularly revolt against PC culture. Regular people, no matter where they are on the victim hierarchy as it changes every day, will tire of waking up to a new outrage every day.

R591 - They have to prove it was unwanted. And its just not going to be from Will Little's say so. I'm not defending Spacey - he's a creep & mass sexual harasser - but this case is not a guaranteed conviction, no matter how many times you copy & paste the statute. And its no guarantee that his family members will testify. The evidence that the prosecutor will bring in the court will come from witnesses at the bar, not from what he told his parents afterward.

R589 - What the hell are you talking about.

Spacey said in his apology to Rapp that "IF" he did the things he did, he owes him an apology but he doesn't remember the incident. That's not an admission.

And the complaint made to MRC about Spacey in 2012 was regarding a "specific remark & gesture" made by Spacey to a PA. It wasn't an assault.

R593 R594 your dreaded PC has changed the landscape totally and is why someone like Spacey is now under investigation, sure it winds up people like you but it suits just as many others, that's the divided world we now live in, if that wasn't the case this thread wouldn't be the virulent hatefest we see, however PC is now directing the narrative which is just tough luck for you old schoolers. If it seems extreme at times that's cos the pendulum was so far in the other direction for so long.

R596 That's right. He was disciplined for inappropriate workplace conduct, not criminal assault. And Rapp admitted that there was no sexual assault.

Need a part 3

SPACEY IS INNOCENT!

Dream on, R600

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R597 All your PC nonsense is doing is radicalizing the anti PC crowd which make up a far bigger faction than the PC police. Those who are pro PC are the ones who are most interested in maintaining power.

And bringing forth complaints about sexual harassment has NOTHING to do with political correctness. These are two completely different things. I swear, social media as a whole should wear a dunce cap at times.

Spacey is just a bald headed ham , no loss whatsoever

R604 I was addressing the concerns of PC principle upthread who said it was only old timers when in fact it's most people, even young ones who revolt against PC culture.

Are you for real? This is what Spacey said:

[quote] I honestly do not remember the encounter, it would have been over 30 years ago.

Only a guilty person would respond as such. An innocent person would say that didn't happen, because, you know, it's a 14 year old you are being accused of trying to rape, you know? I won't waste my time anymore. Defend this pedophile predator all you want.

I hope every victim sues his ass for every single money this asshole has. Hopefully the rumors are true and both him and Bryan Singer will kill themselves soon enough.