Kevin Spacey is charged with SEXUAL ASSAULT!

Isn't this the case involving that reporter's kid?

Yes I think so.

Merry Christmas, Kev!

r1, r2 If either of you bothered to read the linked article you would have learned that yes, this is in fact in regards to journalist Heather Unruh's son getting the Donald Trump treatment.

[quote]As Unruh told reporters today, her “son was a starstruck, straight 18-year-old young man who had no idea that the famous actor was an alleged sexual predator or that he was about to become his next victim.” Spacey reportedly bought the teen “drink after drink” before assaulting him. “Spacey stuck his hand inside my son’s pants and grabbed his genitals,” the former anchor said. The 18-year-old “panicked, he froze. He was intoxicated.” When a woman caught up with Unruh’s son and told him to leave the Nantucket bar, he fled to his grandmother’s home.

I love he she specifies "straight" as if that somehow makes the assault worse.

She may think her son is straight, but I’d bet Kevin’s finely tuned gaydar knows better.

r4, it was probably because she knew douchebags would say he "really wanted it"

I love the description of the scene, like the son was about to be murdered in a pagan ritual, and the good Samaritan tells him to "run! RUNNN!!!" and he dramatically flees, dogs and bullets whipping by him as he scrambles to safety at his grandmother's house. Duh-RAMA!

Agree with R6.

r7, thanks for proving my point

r9 clearly wanted me to say that, so I obliged.

Good

Bitch is trying to launch some sort of comeback

I wonder how his lawyer and management team feel about this video.

People on Youtube seem to love it.

R14 maybe that is why Spacey is so deluded. He thinks online commentators accurately reflect the public's opinion about him.

The person at the center of this drama

sorry but I didn't read the article. Did this happen in a bar? He was allowed in the bar? They don't check ID?

Kevin is so rough...he's just like trump, grabbing them by the genitals.

A gent, he is not.

IS HE PESTERING YOU?

Someone on youtube summarized the case quite well

[quote] First of all, Heather Unruh's son was 18, so a legal adult and not a minor. Second, from what I gathered about the case when it first broke, her son lied to KS, telling him he was 21 so he could buy him drinks. Third, I did some research on the nightclub they were at, and apparently it's a very popular hookup spot for gay men. According to the locals, you know what you're getting into if you go into a place like this. So he was accused of making an aggressive pass at someone he thought was of age in a gay hookup spot?

Strange video.

Him and Louis CK should do a movie together. There's probably an audience for that crap.

Bitch cannot even own his BALDNESS.

R19 if that is the case then Spacey is crazy to do this video. He should just have his lawyer present his side of the story in court. The video is very stupid considering he has several OTHER cases pending against him.

Who hasn't been groped in a gay bar?

Besides me, I mean.

/sigh

I hope Kevin saved up and invested wisely. He ain't gonna work no more. He might be broke soon with all the legal woes.

"Nothing should be left off the table in art or in life"

Clearly a swipe at Ridley Scott.

What a great actor. This is a shame.

I would not consider the bar/restaurant he was at a known gay hook up spot.

He was mostly great at playing psychopaths, which didn't require much acting on his part.

R19 no, you can't post that logic, or the "you're a victim blamer!" Troll will attack (again).

The duck confit salad sounds DIVINE R28

The gayest salad 🥗!

Glad he’s back.

Miss Spacey, is going to end up killing herself this year.

I don't give a fuck what anyone says, I miss him.

When he says he never played by the rules, he's referring to his homosexuality.

There once was a boy from Nantucket . . .

A greedy mother, embarrassing her gay son.

What a lot of bullcrap...I doubt the story very much. Why tie up our courts with this nonsence?

Further proof that Trump is a liar. When you're a star, they do not let you do "anything."

AmI the only one who doesn't buy that Spacey just suddenly grabbed his dick out of nowhere? In the middle of a public restaurant? I would wager there was some form of flirting on the kid's part or at least a fun tone to the evening -- Mommy (who annoys the fuck out of me) probably told him to "be nice to the man who can do so much for you."

Or, indeed, a gay son who is fighting it, God knows a lot of us went through that through the years and blamed others for "attacks" we participated in willingly. But that was before the lovely MeToo bullshit movement.

Either way, it still adds up to Gay Panic and no gay man with an ounce of sense should be enjoying this.

Gee, I have done some groping in bars...perhaps I should be arrested?

The last movie I saw of his, Horrible Bosses (2011) I stopped watching after 10 min. Same with The Men Who Stare at Goats and 21, in both cases I left the theatre after about 15 min. American Beauty someone gave me the video, same with The Shitting News - I hated both movies.

The only films of his I saw at the theatre were 1995-1997: Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil , L.A. Confidential, Se7en and Usual Suspects. That's it. Never saw anything else. The first two I never even knew he was in, for obvious reasons.

Swimming with Sharks I saw later and enjoyed, but it doesn't necessarily play in his favour. Glengarry Glen Ross mostly on youtube. Haven't seen the whole thing.

The only film of his that I can say is a favourite is WORKING GIRL, but that can't be a Kevin Spacey movie.

So, mostly, I don't like him.

I totally believe Spacey groped him but the victim needs to keep his mom out of it - he was an 18 year old in a BAR illegally..

It's a known gay bar? Not when I've been there... maybe off season?

Also, it's a packed bar... lines to get in. Everyone goes there.

R43 thanks for sharing whatever that was 🙄

I'll be shredded for this but honestly... I have been groped before in drunken situations and it was not that traumatic for me personally. Obviously everyone has different pressure points but I can't imagine going to the cops and pressing charges over being groped in a bar. Again, just my personal experience, others obviously feel differently.

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R48 It's obvious that this is all the mother's doing.

I can't stop watching the video. It's obvious that Kevin Spacey was the only one who made HOC worth watching.

O please. If an 18 year old allows a much older, unmarried man to buy him drinks all night in a bar, they ain't there to talk about pussy.

Kevin has been know to just grab people. According to the stories that came out when the shit hit the fan.

I agree with the poster, he was good in those bad, evil roles coz it wasn't "acting"

Now it all adds up.

What is the deal with the video?

r28? It says Sustainable Meats right there!

LMAO! Kevin is epic trolling with that video. I don't know how I feel about this. But I am amused.

Maybe the video is supposed to help him with some insanity claim? Cuz, putting that out in a former character is pretty odd. Is, was and will always be a freak. He and Cos overplayed their hands. Clinton too, but he may never be held to any accountability.

Space is a fucking predator. I've always gotten a desperate vibe from him. The story Anthony Rapp told was heartbreaking and disturbing.

This story sounds all kinds of wonky, though. It's not helped by the fact that the man who is claiming assault is letting his Mommy talk for him. I read that he snap chatted the whole incident to his girlfriend. What? he doesn't sound traumatized. the Mom, however, seems terrified her son might be gay. The fact that the mother has to clarify that her son is Straight (lol) is telling. Because, see, if it were a gay man, I'm sure she'd be the first person to say, "Well, what did he expect?"

[quote] It's obvious that Kevin Spacey was the only one who made HOC worth watching.

I had looked forward to House of Cards because I loved the original. After five minutes of Spacey's terrible accent, I turned it off. I do not understand what people see in him as an actor. That said, I hope he beats these charges. They sound like bullshit.

I'm not saying what Kevin Spacey allegedly did was right. However, if lied about his age, Spacey may not have thought he was doing anything wrong other than being aggressive. As a the "21 year-old" that he said he was, the kid presumably was not in danger of his life. He was not going to be blackmailed. He was not going to be denied a raise in pay or lose his job. So, he's objecting to an older gay man being sexually aggressive? Sorry, but as uncomfortable as that may be, it happens sometimes in a bar. This 21 year-old needed to leave or "run" as he was advised to do. And chalk it up to the fact that he met what he considered to be a creepy guy.

If the kid told Kevin Spacey that he was 17, well then, that's an entirely different story. But if he said he was 21, well then, he met someone who touched him inappropriately. Move on. Get help. Seek counseling. But a court case? No.

Good, I want him to fight back big time against this shit. 'Bout time.

The mother is going to be mortified and humiliated beyond words when she finds out she has a gay son. And the kid is is going embarrassed beyond words when he decides to come out and admit that he's gay.

Charging Spacey with sexual assault is only going to make the coming out process for this kid next to impossible. The mother is creating a monster. Honey, you have a gay kid. Calm the fuck down and accept it.

Say what you will about Kevin. But in this day of carefully worded pr spiel, this video takes a shit load of guts. I think he just said fuck it. I found the video incredibly amusing, thanks Kevin.

R28 - Well it was according to the comments in the Boston Globe article when this story first was reported in Nov-17. And it was many commenters who mentioned that.

One thing Kev is guilty of is having a shitty taste in men. None of his accusers, including Rapp, are easy on the eyes.

OP you forgot 'Hear ye!Hear ye!' in your despatch.

Oh, the victim is as gay as a festive goose by the look of him

R63 - I agree!!!!

Disquieting.

Discomforting.

Dis-gusting.

[quote]I'll be shredded for this but honestly... I have been groped before in drunken situations and it was not that traumatic for me personally.

No, you won't be luv. This Is DL.

Dis-continued.

Dis-barred

and we are dis-enchanted!

[quote]L.A. Confidential, Se7en and Usual Suspects.

These are his big pictures. Over 20 years ago. He was on the way out. That's why Hollywood pulled the plug on him. They all knew. On the Shipping News the producers got him a fucking pool table so he could host 'tournaments' wth local youths. I mean, really.

I bet saucy bitch La Spacey ordered the Crispy Smashed Gigante Beans with the Roasted Cod. And a juicy Rioja.

Why do media reports keep calling him the teen son when he was an adult who pretending to be even older?

What is the specific crime that Spacey allegedly committed?

^^^Grabbed a guy by the mussy.

I just happened to see SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION on TV last week, and when I saw Anthony Rapp, I wanted to slap his LOSER FACE off the screen!

R78 I felt the same thing when I watched 13 reasons why where he played a priest. Made me want to vomit.

Nah, I believe Spacey just grabbed his pussy out of nowhere, with no encouragement. Kevin has a reputation for that kind of thing.

That said, this also isn't "sexual assault". I mean yeah, it sort of is, and yes, even in aggressive passes it's very not the norm to actually stick your hand down someone's pants.

What it is is Kevin being himself: a creepy 50-something who dgaf about social norms & just forces himself on young'uns cause he wants 'em. We've all met that guy at some point in our teens/20s/30s.

You have any links about that pool table, R73?

He had a foundation for young actors, too.

So, Spacey's been known to just grab young guys 14-22 for years, corner them in bedrooms, get them drunk, try to make out with them. We had threads about this for the past 15 years, it's been a known secret, and now a dozen guys have gone on record with the "he hit on me" "he groped me out of nowhere" "he got me drunk" "I had to shove him off me" stories etc.

So....what are the odds Spacey's been doing this for 3 decades and he never *actually* raped anyone? All these stories are from guys who pushed him away & fled; all said they were taken by surprise. What are the odds there was a teen/twink he did this too who was frozen by shock instead -- and so Spacey took it further?

^it's indeed hard to believe this has been his m.o. since the 80s yet he never fucked anyone. surely some poor guy didn't shove him off hard enough.

[quote]None of his accusers, including Rapp, are easy on the eyes.

None of his accusers IS. None is a contraction of not one and cannot be plural.

[quote]r75 Why do media reports keep calling him the teen son when he was an adult who pretending to be even older?

Because he was 18. That's a teen. (Note second syllable of the word "eighteen")

He has a turkey neck.

DL was writing about his Shipping News shenanigans and Eastern European escapades 3, 4 years ago. Some of the stuff was really dark, too.

They were all asking for it

I would be disappointed if I let a guy buy me drinks for several hours and he didn’t grab my genitals. What am I missing here?

R89 Lol. I'm still trying to visualize calling my mother if I was groped by a drunk dude and then having her call a press conference . Do young people these days tell mommy and daddy everything?

Mother: How was your night?

Son: I was felt up by Kevin Spacey

Father: LOL! Join the club.

R90 wimpy ones

was he ever in a relationship with someone? he was never a looker but he looks even worse now.

So, if you're gay it's okay to be sexually assaulted by Kevin Spacey, then?

Talk about homophobia from a bunch of incel assholes.

R94 It would be an honor

No matter what you think of Spacey, you have to call BS on this charge. If Spacey is found guilty, then I would resolve never to drink or even go to a bar ever again. First they came for our internet porn and now these straight people will want to shut down our bars too. Fuck them.

[quote] So, if you're gay it's okay to be sexually assaulted by Kevin Spacey, then?

No, but if you invite him to touch your junk, then you're gay. What's so hard to understand?

Nobody at a bar asks someone if they can touch their dick. They react to signals. Admittedly, being drunk can interfere with reading signals, but judging from what actually happened, this young man gave no indication that he didn't want it.

Sure Kevin R98

First of all, this kid was 18. He shouldn't have been in the bar for three more years, but he was a legal adult, albeit a naive rather stupid one.

Unless this kid never left his bedroom, had a crush on anyone or experienced any kind of sexual feelings, he was old enough to know that two people talking in a bar for a fairly lengthy period may cause something to happen. Now perhaps Spacey could have been less aggressive and put his hand on the kid's knee or thigh and not groped his cock if that's what happened. But this kid and his mother want to go to court because genitals may have been involved? What if someone had picked a fight with the kid in the bar? That's assault and battery. Would the kid and his mother be going to court, or would they be quietly trying to forget that a bar fight even happened providing that no real bodily harm occurred?

R90. Perfectly stated.

Is it true Trump wants to appoint Frank Underwood as Attorney General?

Which one was it - a director’s kid?? He spent the night at the director’s house and went prowling for the son and the kid woke up to Kevin fondling him or something??

The guy’s a fucking predator and gets off on making surprise/uninvited/unwanted advances.

Mutual affection does not seem to be something that turns him on.

"I know you want it" must be the worst line ever.

TMZ comments make Youtube comments look civilized in comparison. What a dumpster fire.

Attention and money grab by Mommy ,I bet the young man is pissed beyond belief at her . I truly dont know why Spacey doesnt just take his millions and go live somewhere and tell them all to fuck off. Is he a creep ? Absolutely. Have most of us dealt with creeps and werent "traumatized? Assuredly. What a ridiculous world we are living in where grown ass people act like unwanted sexual advances ruin their fucking lives.

The details will prove to be even more damning for the accuser. Apparently, Spacey let him know early on that he was interested in him sexually yet he still hung around long enough to consume a few drinks.

Heard for a long time that he was known to get handsy with very young men whether they were interested or not.

There's no way he's so into getting handsy like this and it hasn't progressed to rape. At the very least, Kevin sucking some surprised twink's cock who was too drunk/frozen to push him away.

[quote]Either way, it still adds up to Gay Panic and no gay man with an ounce of sense should be enjoying this.

Oh FUCKING please. Kevin didn't even come out until all these allegations hit the media. And even then, he only proclaimed he was gay to try and take the heat off of this. Don't embarrass yourself by making him a victim.

He needs to go for a second round of Gentle Path.

[quote] Oh FUCKING please. Kevin didn't even come out until all these allegations hit the media. And even then, he only proclaimed he was gay to try and take the heat off of this. Don't embarrass yourself by making him a victim.

He was already out to those in his inner circle. Why did he need to out himself publicly if his desire was to keep a low profile? And yes, he's become a target not only for homophobes who proclaim the movie industry "Pedo"Wood, but those who try to take advantage of people with fame and money.

R106 I agree. I have never understood this bizarre American belief that an unwanted advance or grope can somehow destroy a person's soul or something, lol. Being fondled unwantedly is unpleasant yes, but not something that is necessarily going to ruin a life.

R112 = Kevin Spacey

Fuck creepy Spacey he was a pathetic closet case for the same reason half the old crocs on DL are, he's a coward. Unwanted advances are just that, unwanted and the law has caught up with it, it's tough luck on the sad gays whose only chance of human contact is via groping.

What is wrong with you people? First it is not a gay bar. Its a restaurant with a bar and sounds like the hot spot in Nantucket. Secondly the kid was being a kid and wanted to drink alcohol so he lied to Spacey and said he was of age. That is normal kid behavior. He wanted to get drunk not get fucked by Kevin Spacey. If he was truly looking to experiement a 17 year old isnt going to pick Kevin Spacey.

Spacey is a 59 old used up bag of bones who should not be spending one second having drinks with a 17 year old boy or one that said he was 21. I am glad the mother is making an issue of this as Spacey has done this sort of crap for 30 years and has gotten away with it and he needs to pay the piper.

I would suggest that many of the readers on this sight need to re examine their moral viewpoints and you need to leave kids alone and if you have to get somebody bombed to grope them then you are a pretty desperate individual.

I believe that Spacey is a creep who has probably done lots of terrible things over the years. But I also believe that he shouldn’t go down for grabbing soneone’s junk.

Mommy money grab, he knew what was what.

Grabbing someone's junk - isn't that sexual assault? Doesn't help when the junk is from a minor.

R119, grabbing someone’s junk gets one elected President.

[quote]What a great actor. This is a shame.

He did it to himself. He's the cause of his own shame.

R103 here - I was mixing up my stories.

The ‘director one’ was actually Richard Dreyfuss’s son and the director was actually Kevin. Kevin groped Richard’s son while Richard was in the room.

There’s also the sleepover story I’m having trouble remembering. He was invited to someone’s home to sleep off a night of drinking and was found in that person’s son’s/younger brother’s room putting the moves on the young guy.

His video was....striking -- but my god the brass balls to say the line, "I didn't get punished for what we both know I've done, so I sure as hell won't before what I didn't do."

I mean...

The mother has zero to do with this case so why is she the only one talking? Where is the man who was supposedly abused? Would any man who actually felt assaulted let his mommy fight his battles? I'm not buying this one.

But, I guess it's nice to know that if you even touch a male in a questionable manner, you get charged. If you grope and/or rape 30+ women, including some underage ones, you get to be president.

[quote]@PerryNBCBoston

Court Docs: Police interviewed victim’s girlfriend. She said she told victim to walk away after being hit on by Spacey. Then the video was sent. Victim texted gf as he was running home then spoke on phone when he arrived. She said victim was emotionally worked up

[quote]@PerryNBCBoston Court Docs: Victim’s gf said she saw Snapchat video of Spacey touching front of victim’s pants twice. She said victim never told her about Spacey reaching into his pants. GF said she received an autograph from Spacey that the victim got for her.

This case is complete bullshit. After Spacey beats the charges, they should film a real final season of House of Cards with Frank, completely disregarding season six.

For Christ sake, Spacey thought the kid was gay and more than likely he is. A young idiot makes a mistake and then a guy gets arrested for no reason.

[quote]@PerryNBCBoston Court Docs: Police interviewed victim’s sister. She said she woke up to her brother sitting at the end of her bed breathing heavily. She said victim told her: “Kevin Spacey just raped me.” Victim was pacing back and forth

[quote]r128 A young idiot makes a mistake and then a guy gets arrested for no reason.

He hasn't been arrested, though.

What's the consensus on Blurred Lines?

he just needs to write a check.

Why did he tell his sister that he was raped? I thought he was groped/fondled?

Kevin Spacey is no doubt, a scumbag. However, mommy is a scumbag also and I don’t believe the kid.

He should be barred from public life for that video alone.

R133 I was thinking the same thing.

[QUOTE]Why did he tell his sister that he was raped? I thought he was groped/fondled?

Story’s already falling apart. Spacey’s lawyers are gonna make mincemeat of this case.

Somebody touches your dick under the table and its sexual assaukt. FFS

Such BS this story from some frau looking to make a fine settlement out of court. KS should sue this bitch after he's cleared in the criminal case

The kid should be barred from public life? I guess. I believe that the police should tell the press that they are sick of young people who are lying for profit.

All you sad old fuckers defending Spacey. Before you start ,I'm not a 'Frau', but also not a closeted groper who thinks gay life should be a furtive secret, keep it quiet , it would kill mother, right boys?

It wasn't grope-grope.

r64 It was a matter of principle!

Fuck you, FRAU... we have all been 16, 17 and 18 and we did not act like toddlers. When I was in an uncomfortable situation, I knew when to leave. To be upset by an incident that happened two years ago, grow up! Life has lessons to teach us.

Its pretty clear this woman tried to shake down Spacey but he called her bluff. This story is going to get pretty ugly for this cow and her str8 (bwwaahaaa) son.

Why would the mom lie?

R5 So what? I'm bisexual, that doesn't mean I want both men and women to grab my parts when they feel like it. Honestly it feels like some people are so starved for sex, they see unwanted sexual actions as something desireable.

Oh please, don't accept drinks from someone if you're not interested.

[QUOTE]Its pretty clear this woman tried to shake down Spacey but he called her bluff. This story is going to get pretty ugly for this cow and her str8 (bwwaahaaa) son.

And Spacey’s video is a declaration of war. He’s feeling confident.

When Spacey was accused but uncharged, the perv patrol, who love him so, boasted of how not one charge had been leveled at him, well now it has pervs , but of course it's a bullshit charge in your eyes as you won't let go of your precious groping, you old gropers have to face it, groping is over, you had a good run but it's done.

R62 Quit making it sound like being gay should make you okay with being groped in public by creepy guys. It's enough that straights love saying it.

I’m 30 years old and I’ve never groped anyone in my life. Well their junk at least—I certainly grab some ass whenever I can (I’m a top).

R94 Yep that crap is driving me crazy because I heard it not only on DL. Like if you are gay or bi, you should be happy when you are receiving any sort of sexual attention from anyone because... hell if I know the reason. Also some of the cases against Spacey talk about him trying to harrass people like barmens or assistants, those who can lose their job over rejecting a celebrity. He's just a creepy perv who either can't get laid despite being rich and famous or loves the feeling of power.

No, Spacey should not have groped the young man whether he was 18 or 21 years old or whether he is gay or straight. However, he told Spacey he was 21. He allowed Spacey to buy him several drinks. The young man did not leave. He was getting drunk. Is this any different than when two people no matter who they are meet in a bar? The mother says her son was star struck. The mother is naive or in denial.

This is going to be sooooooo awkward when the young man comes out as gay--and he will, maybe at trial, maybe a few years from now. The kid hung around because he lied and was meeting a big movie star, and the gay vibe was in the air. The young man did not go from sober to drunk immediately. And Spacey probably did not go from doing nothing to touch the young man's dick immediately. There was probably some touching by Spacey on the arm, on the hand, on the leg...and then on the dick. And the mother wants to think that her son was simply star struck? Is it assault? I guess so if that's what assault is. Did this lying, fake, "21 year-old" give the okay for this to happen? Yes. He got caught up in something he couldn't handle. Was it wrong? Yes. Should Spacey go to jail? No, not for this. There are other cases where Spacey assaulted someone who didn't hang around and wasn't star struck.

Sure, the young man was perhaps traumatized or nervous that night and the next day. Because he was not 21; he was 18, but still an adult. Was Spacey going to kidnap him? No. He just touched your dick. The young man was more than star struck. He just can't admit it yet. And the mother needs to back off. Sweetie, your son is gay. Stuff happens when young gay boys take on more than they can handle. It's called life.

Kev knows something important, hence the video. This woman is going down

R153 Even if he wore a tshirt saying "I'm 100% gay and fucked a man last night" it's not a reason to grab his genitals without invitation. Even if he is 38 not 18. And if someone does that and you turn around and sock him in the jaw, you'll be the one charged with assault next.

R153 sounds like the fan fiction teenagers write about their heroes. Spacey is a dirty old chancer who had the shine of celebrity to ease his way and to allow him more success than the average groper, which is why the sad cases of DL admire him so much as they aspire to the level of average groper. Spacey is finished no matter what you creeps wish for.

R140 I guess they are just painfully aware no young guy will have sex with them willingly. Unless an escort.

R153 Look at Spacey, he's ten miles of worn road, what young gay/bi guy is going to want to fuck him when there is a bunch of hot, tight young guys at the same bar? Star or not. His flappy old cock has no stardust on it.

R155, what is "the invitation"? Would someone literally have to say, "Grab my dick" or something like that? There are very few situations where sexual foreplay and heavy flirting are done explicitly. It's all things said certain ways, or looks, or smaller touches escalating, or standing closer and closer, etc. So, really, at what point does the dick touching begin in the lead up to sexual situations? Do you really expect overt verbal messages that are as direct as 'touch my dick'?

You are really stupid, R158

There's a reason they're not putting the accuser in front of a camera and letting his Mom do the talking. $100 says when this kid opens his mouth, purses fall out.

Like someone else said, Spacey should go to jail, but not for this. This seems like a clear cut case of a creepy desperate man being aggressive, a young guy who didn't want to believe he was gay, and a narcissistic mother who thinks everything is ultimately about her. hope she realizes that what she's doing is pushing him further and further into the closet.

Actually the truth is plenty of young gays will fuck old movie stars.

R159 When the dick grab is an unpleasant surprise it's obvious there weren't any nonverbal clues.

Creepy cunt

If Spacey needed to be in jail, that is where he would be.

Don't diss using escorts here R157 they get very touchy , but it does seem like the closet, groping and escorts are the staple for a lot of them, hence Spacey being their patron saint.

R161 You don't have to be a self-hating closeted gay to object to some creepy perv randomly touching your dick. Maybe the guy is indeed pinging the radars, but the dumb public will repeat what the dumb DLers here say, he wanted it, he's gay so it's okay, gay men will fuck anythng that moves so why would he say no, and so on.

Spacey is a pig like all men are.

LOCK 'IM UP!

You morons who are hung up on looks, are truelly pitiful and stupid....I am talking as stupid as Trump.

R166 DL lives in the Mesozoic Era.

R170 How are you going to make your dick hard for someone if the sight of them doesn't make it hard?

It's not being an elitist. Arousal is a physical reaction. And having sex with someone who doesn't arouse you is pointless.

[quote][R159] When the dick grab is an unpleasant surprise it's obvious there weren't any nonverbal clues.

The only indication we have that that is the case is the word of mommy-dearest. And, honestly, even that story says that he supposedly grabbed him twice. If it was such an unpleasant, unwanted, and traumatizing experience, why did he wait around for the second time?

I'd wager the real story is that the girlfriend mentioned above who said she saw video of Spacey touching this guy's crotch went and told mommy-dearest what she saw. When confronted, the closeted gay son was suddenly "traumatized".

Frozen by shock? Is this 1864? Seriously, ether a silly, naive teen or a foolish adult who will believe anything.

The video is obviously about wanting to get the Frank Underwood role again. He mixes up his character who was talking to the camera and his own, real vengeful comments and claims about his situation.

R167. The kid hung around to accept multiple drinks. Act like a whore, get treated like a whore.

Spacey defenders just want their hero off the hook so he can continue to live out their fantasy of feeling up random men. You guys wouldn't feel so frustrated and angry if you could lead more open lives, the closet is suffocating and there is no need to grab at men furtively, if you unclench and admit who you are a lot of the bitterness will evaporate.

"I totally believe Spacey groped him but the victim needs to keep his mom out of it - he was an 18 year old in a BAR illegally"

He was working there as a busboy. He was not there illegally.

What is wrong with you creeps? Why are you defending this perv?

Sexual assault laws in Mass.

R178. What's wrong with you? Mother says he son was drunk when KS made his move.

R173 Oh this dl fav the favorite of closeted gays who secretly hate their hot girlfriends so much they would rather fuck a creepy guy in his sixties

I don't think anyone likes Spacey. But, some people can recognize that all of the crap he has pulled has been to other gay men, in party or drinking situations, and they were always adults. I think a lot of the people here recognize that this is bullshit because they've lived it themselves on both sides. It's not black and white and those of you who think it is are going to get into trouble one day when you hit a little too hard on some young stud in a bar.

R176 Must be a sad world where people sell their bodies for sex for what 10 dollars? 25 if that was an upscale bar.

The stories about his behavior on the set of HoC had been around for a while and not just by the insiders but by the rank and file of the TV production in LA. The show runners were in the state of almost constant anxiety that one of the staffers would bring a lawsuit against the company. And, yes, he did grab the junk of straight staffers as well since he felt invincible being the star of the show.

R182 Yup I lived it as a young stud. Disgusting creeps who somehow think they are doing you a favor because they are rich, or that they can buy you like a whore if they ask several times. Most of them get off on it too. And take rejection very badly. He was just a stranger at a bar, but there were also cases of Spacey doing to the same to low tier personnel at the set while getting mad when they objected.

R192 Not to mention that fuck, "to other gay men" does not make it better. Period. Unless you think being gay means accepting sex from anyone so why the hell would you not like it. It completely doesn't matter whether you do it to a gay man, a bisexual man, or a straight man. Or woman.

r186 I can't wait for r192's comment

Spacey has done more than ' hit a little too hard on some young stud in a bar' R182, he has a well deserved and terrible reputation for using his status to intimidate young guys into fucking with him, both in social and professional situations, he's a creep of longstanding, but ,as discussed already here, groping and other furtive behavior is all some here have and so are loathe to see it cast in a bad light.

Haha, some of you are hilarious. Listen boys, if you sit with an old gay and accept a number of drinks from him what do you think he might deduce?

Everyone's mocking him on twitter

R189 Nothing? I might even be unaware of him being an old gay as opposed to old someone else, it's not like his sexuality is tattooed on his forehead.

This is not a sex club so that one should assume everyone is looking for some quick hookup.

That his luck was in R189? However if the old gay took that for granted and grabbed a handful of what he deduced he paid for he would be in for a surprise. Old gays buying young guys drinks does not buy the young guy.Your thinking is antique.

R188 No one as yet has ever accused him more than touching their cock, right? No forced oral, no forced fucking? If he's ever gone that far I'm honestly surprised an accusation hasn't come out yet

"No one as yet has ever accused him more than touching their cock, right? No forced oral, no forced fucking? If he's ever gone that far I'm honestly surprised an accusation hasn't come out yet"

One of the accusations in London involves him blowing a guy who was passed out. Various gossip sites have had stories about him giving young guys funny-tasting drinks, then taking advantage when they were passed out

None of these porcelain young gay guys would last a week as a woman in this world.

A. Her son has gayface.

B. Her son willingly got drunk by lying about his age.

C. I don't like what Spacey did, but it's certainly not the end of the world. Fuck this frau cunt, and her pussy-ass son. Holy shit, if I freaked out this much every time an older guy groped for me when I was 18-22, I'd have had time for little else.

Not a fan of Spacey, but this is fucking absurd.

R192 Are those young guys homeless? Are those drinks liquid gold? Like, I can't imagine someone assuming I'd have sex with them just because they paid for this round of beer. Unless I'm flirting heavily of course but then who cares about beer.

r196, fuck you for defending an abuser. And, no, he doesn't have "gayface" - that's your wishful thinking talking

R193 The problem for Spacey ( and what his defenders ignore ) is the sheer scale of his touching/groping and its context, he used his position to bully guys and make constant unwanted sexual advances, places he worked had to be 'Spacey-proofed' whereby his type of guy would be kept out of his orbit, the guy is a cast iron creep and it's shameful that the frau-hating, closet cases of DL see him as a friend.

R187 It will be more of the same "the son is gay so it's okay". It's like this case ruining this power fantasy of young men secretly wanting to be groped by random strangers.

R198 Even if he did, so what. Seriously it's like this self-hating porn where a bunch of frat boys are raping one guy and calling him a fag while they do so. Who jerks off to something like that? Well obviously someone who thinks the Spacey thing is fine and dandy.

Kevin Spacey is/was in deep doo doo. Get it...

R16 - He wasted possible jail time on that thing?

[quote]No, Spacey should not have groped the young man whether he was 18 or 21 years old or whether he is gay or straight. However, he told Spacey he was 21. He allowed Spacey to buy him several drinks. The young man did not leave. He was getting drunk. Is this any different than when two people no matter who they are meet in a bar? The mother says her son was star struck. The mother is naive or in denial.

Yup.

[quote]None of these porcelain young gay guys would last a week as a woman in this world.

Oh please. You have sexist chivalry to protect you and you get paid more than we do. Shut the fuck up, ESP. if you're straight.

That thing? Please, he was a cute twink. That's why the Spaceman was all over him.

The fact that Spacey defenders throw about terms like 'gayface' and 'purses falling from mouths' reveals a level of self loathing matched only by toupee wearing, closet-dwelling Spacey himself, it's pretty obvious why you guys are so keen to keep the shine on your tainted boy.

[quote] That said, this also isn't "sexual assault". I mean yeah, it sort of is, and yes, even in aggressive passes it's very not the norm to actually stick your hand down someone's pants.

WRONG. This is, by definition, FELONY SEXUAL ASSAULT, and that’s why the prosecutors are going after him. And they’re going to win too. Fortunately, you’re not a lawyer, because your client would be jailed.

Exactly R199.

Q sent me.

Bullshit r199. These are the facts of this case, not what "people are saying" .Your trying to decflect.

R198 Fuck YOU. I have no love for Spacey but holy Christ this one incident is blown way out of proportion. The kid likely thought it was funny until his homophobic cunt mother got the vapors over it.

Get the fuck over it. Ugh.

You believe if you buy a guy a few drinks it entitles you to fuck them R209 Everything I stated is a fact.

I actually read the court docs & this case is 50/50. This is not a prosecutorial slam dunk by any means. Spacey looks bad, but so does the accuser.

I found the video enormously entertaining. It's like he just realized "Hey I'm fucked anyway, might as well have some fun ". I wonder who taped it for him.

o dear that video is horrible, will put him in jail

"The kid likely thought it was funny until his homophobic cunt mother got the vapors over it."

Um,no, he didn't find it funny and you know nothing about Heather Unruh if you think she is homophobic. She's a gay-friendly liberal.

The mom is looking for a career boost or a pay out. She was a newscaster who

[quote] Heather Unruh (the mom) grabbed headlines earlier this year after she criticized sexism in television news when she stepped down after 15 years in the market.

[quote] Just last month, Heather accused a well-known actor of allegedly assaulting a friend. It has been revealed today, that the accused actor is none other than Kevin Spacey and Unruh’s friend happens to be her own son. Unruh explained at the time of her tweet that the Harvey Weinstein scandal had emboldened her to come forward.

[quote] She began her broadcasting career in Binghamton, NY before moving on to Birmingham, AL and then Oklahoma City. After joining WCVB in 2001, she anchored breaking news coverage for nearly every major event, from the Boston Marathon bombing and the conviction of Boston mobster James Whitey Bulger to the resignation of Cardinal Law and elevation of Cardinal Sean O’Malley to Archbishop.

[quote] On social media, Unruh calls herself an “award winning Journalist, Aspiring Filmmaker, Animal Lover, Family Gal, Human Rights Advocate!”

The son lied about his age and spent enough time with Spacey to have 5 to 10 drinks. I'm sure their behavior wasn't at all like a business meeting; they were drinking, laughing, confiding, and perhaps flirting; the son knew what he was doing and in fact furthered the interaction. The clincher of this whole smelly accusation is that the guy recorded Spacey for 3 minutes while he was being touched. He and his mom sound either like they're slimy and out for money or they're on a crusade to be the ones to take Spacey down. The guy also loses credibility with me by calling some touching "rape". Rape is a serious, violent event, and being groped - while sometimes not pleasant or wanted - is definitely NOT rape. I bet the mom is upset that if it were to get out that her son consensually hooked up with KS and she didn't pounce on it as an assault, she'd look bad.

I feel like if you haven't read the police report at TMZ, people should.

At the bottom right corner of the Kevin Spacey photo, in the red border, click on the link that says "Launch Doc."

r216, you don't know anything about her. She's not broke and doesn't need the money - it would go to her son, anyway, not to her.

So, once you Spacey loving creeps get him out of this situation by blaming Frau cunts or boys who take your drinks and don't put out, won't it get tiring having to take on the ton of other shit he is mired in...you guys need to find better role models!

Just read the criminal documents - it says Spacey was there with his "manager" - is this the hot, younger guy Kevin is often photographed with?

He bar on Ack is teeny tiny. It’s literslly in a railroad car. The only slight reason it amy be considered a gay bar Ian that it’s a piano bar at times? It is mobbed and literally crushed person to person. I have no idea why spacey would want to go there as there are nicer bars.

Can HOC sue bc he’s using their character to defend a sexual assault case? Kind of I inyeresting argument no? There’s the double entendre of “can I be FRANK?” Pretty sneaky

Btw, this is the "manager" I was referring to at r220

R218, Not long before making this incident public. Heather Unruh quit her anchor position at Boston's WCVB-TV when a much more popular competing female anchor was hired and given the station's choice 6:00 and 11:00 broadcasts. Heather is definitely using this incident to further her own career.

"Heather is definitely using this incident to further her own career."

No, she's not, except in the minds of Kevin Spacey fantards.

You are letting women hatred cloud your thinking R223 Nobody enhances their life being involved in sexual assault cases, that's what the Cosby victims were accused of by people like you and we see how that turned out. Spacey is as over as Cosby, he should have stayed silent, that video is an arrogant fuck up.

Re: R219, no one in this thread called Spacey a role model, but when a story sounds fishy, discussing the weird things in the story is natural. Plus, people are innocent until proven guilty. Granted, I'm sure Spacey is FAR from being an angel, but until there's proof in a specific accusation, it's only fair to not assume more than that.

In the documents, it said he told the victim that he had an 8 inch penis!!!!

In 2013, the guy's mother (the former newscaster) helped to establish a non-benefit association called 'SWEAR (Stand With Everyone Against Rape). The prime objective of this association is to extend education and awareness in regards to rape.

Will she be 2019's Tiger Mom?

Glad he's getting his commupance .

Heather Unruh's hand is resting on her son's arm in this photo.

[quote]Nobody enhances their life being involved in sexual assault cases

Wait . . . what???

Those choosing to defend Spacey are not concerned about justice R226, they are defending a kindred spirit, the bile thrown at those who are against Spacey, the Frau cunt mother, the prick tease boy who has 'gayface' is all part of the sour, old, closeted gays' handbook. Spacey got caught out as a perv using his status to harass, now that is acceptable on DL but not in the real world and Spacey is over even if the old closets of DL see no problem and why would they when they would operate the same way if they had the chance.

I wonder if Spacey put something in this kid's drink - that's his m.o:

R216 It's disgusting how eager some people are to paint this situation as "the young guy was asking for it/ enjoying it, it's the fault of his homophobic mother". Still not letting go of that fantasy of hot young guys wanting to be groped by strangers I see.

Why aren't the actions of the bartender serving an 18 year old being questioned?

Other guys are claiming to be Spacey victims

Grabbing somebody's crotch is sexual assault. Period. It doesn't matter who does it, or where it happens or if the person being grabbed is an adult. It's sexual assault, unless the person wants the crotch-grabber to do it. I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to have Kevin Spacey put his hands on their genitals. I hope he does "go down" for his nasty behavior.

The sweeping generalizations in R232 are absurd.

Maybe Spacey was just looking for one of his contacts.

Why is the video not playing for me? Help!

FYI, not that it necessarily mitigates any of the facts regarding her son’s encounter with Spacey, but the bar in which the alleged event occurred has a long and well known local history of being a pickup joint., and Heather Unruh is well known to be a narcissistic, often vicious, attention whore.

Your devotion to protecting Spacey is tragic R238 as is your attempted take down of the mother, you smear her out of nowhere as an opportunist leaping on her son's claims to boost her flagging career, this is the stuff of warped mysoginist fantasy and would seem to go against your supposed devotion to assumption of innocence before proof of guilt, , and you have the nerve to call me out for absurd sweeping generalizations.

It seems R232 is spot on to me, R238.

Read the police reports. The guy told Spacey he was 23.

The guy, Will Little, claimed the fondling went on about 3 minutes while they were standing at the piano, but he "couldn't get away." because there were a lot of people. Bwaahaa

Guys, FYI - Kevin is on datalounge. He is trying to gain support. We love you and also are disgusted by you.

"Heather Unruh is well known to be a narcissistic, often vicious, attention whore."

No, she's not. You clearly don't know her.

"The guy told Spacey he was 23."

Kevin told the world that he is heterosexual - I guess we shouldn't believe Kevin because he's a liar

Unruh needs to get real, her precious son is a fag and she's in denial.

The Kevin Spacey fans need to get real, Kevin preys on boys and young men

Spacey does have a lot of time on his hands R245, is the wrong side of 50 , longtime closet case, of course he's on Datalounge!

Get real. The facts in this case are hilarious.

I hope this homophobic bullshit is laughed out of court

R250 is KS

Then all man Kev can continue his heterosexual life with Diane R251 ?

I think the video is disturbing and creepy.

R252. Sure Jan, though I wouldn't mind having his talent or wealth.

His talent is now only used in self-made weird videos and his wealth is about to be decimated , be careful what you wish for R255

I'm Spacey's age. I am not a perv. I would never do this. I don't even like young guys. However, this case is not as cut and dry as some of you make it seem. If Spacey just walked up and within a couple of minutes groped the guy, then he's flat out guilty. But Spacey is going to mount a defense that says the young guy accepted his advances along the way such as touching his arm, his knee, his thigh before eventually touching his cock. I'm not blaming the victim, but if any of the jurors were to believe that the young guy accepted Spacey's preliminary touching advances and willingly accepted several drinks--and then lied about his age so that Spacey thought he was 21 and not 18, well then, there is plenty of room for reasonable doubt. Grabbing the guy's cock may be wrong regardless of the reception Spacey received then or with past assaults even if they were hanging out chatting and/or flirting. But again, it's all about reasonable doubt. Spacey's defense may be able to prove (even if it's not true) that there was more than just being star struck happening.

There is more where this came from

Getting hung up about this one case is pointless R257 Spacey is an incorrigible pervert from way back, whatever holes you can poke in this case there are dozens more on the horizon, you guys have backed to wrong nag in Spacey.

R28: You prefer maybe the Chicken Box? LoLa?

R246, the truth is that I’ve known Heather since she was in her early teens. If you are unaware of her remarkable egocentricity, you don’t know her at all.

Another Kevin victim:

Is this thread being driven by that female pizza gate fucking wacko who sees a pedo behind every letter of the Hollywood sign? I hate that cunt.

I don't know the facts of every accusation, but to bring criminal charges on this one is ludicrous.

[quote]Grabbing somebody's crotch is sexual assault. Period. It doesn't matter who does it, or where it happens or if the person being grabbed is an adult.

I believe Mr. Spacey shoved his hand down the teen's pants to accomplish this, too.

To equate the mad pizzagate stuff with Spaceys' very real and acknowledged predatory behavior is at best disingenuous R263

DLers 2016: "Dear God ! How could anybody who talks about grabbing pussy dare to be seen in public ? He should be in prison ! Get me my pink hat, I'm going to DC to march !" Doers late 2018: "That little trollop wanted it ! I mean, he had the man buy him drinks, what did he expect ? He's lucky that Kevin touched his sex organs, it's a privilege.. Real artists should be able to express themselves as they want."

hes clearly innocent and this is nothing but a money grab. That closeted boy wanted some daddy dick and chickened out. Same with Anthony Rapp.

If Spacey had only one accuser then maybe it wouldn't have caused him too much of a problem. But several people have come forward with tales of him grabbing them. He's obvious a serial grabber. I think being exposed for what he is is driving him crazy. His video is proof of that.

That RaoulV Twitter or whatever is psycho. Kevin's crazy & Kevin's guilty, but that Twitter is CUH-RAY-ZAY He/she tweeted that "I'm on a mission to exonerate Spacey's cyberstalker who was jailed for being a whistleblower"... mmmm ok

R241/R261 Your logic is fascinating. The mother is egocentric, and therefore the son deserves to be groped by a guy 3 times his age. I haven't heard an argument like that since Sir Bedevere in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." May I assume that the baker's dozen of guys at that one theatre in London that Spacey worked at, all have self-centered mothers too ?

Who's the guy in R262's link?

What will happen to his Oscars if he goes to prison?

[quote] It's obvious that Kevin Spacey was the only one who made HOC worth watching.

As proven by the final season.

I won't be surprised to see even more Spacey counterattacks

I doubt there is anyone on Nantucket who doesn’t know the reputation of the Club Car bar. Since the alleged victim was an employee of the establishment, there isn’t a potential juror on the island who willl be convinced that he didn’t know exactly what cadging drinks from Spacey might lead to.

R236 - hate to disappoint you but Spacey won’t rot in the slammer. He might get a year if convicted. The charge isn’t as serious as rape.

In general, if progressing toward sex, I'd think it would be wise to:

1.) verify someone's actual age, if they appear young,

and

2.) verify someone's coherent enough to truly consent, if they appear drunk.

[quote] The problem for Spacey ( and what his defenders ignore ) is the sheer scale of his touching/groping and its context, he used his position to bully guys and make constant unwanted sexual advances, places he worked had to be 'Spacey-proofed' whereby his type of guy would be kept out of his orbit, the guy is a cast iron creep and it's shameful that the frau-hating, closet cases of DL see him as a friend

I can't believe all the Spacey defenders here. It's pretty disgusting

Spacey is the gay man's Bill Cosby, getting away with shit for years because of his so-called power. Maybe this case will empower others to file charges or lawsuit against him. The man is retiring with riches, he needs to be behind bars like his friend Bill.

R276. You're right. But pertaining to this case, the young guy said he was 21. He lied. He was really 18. So either way, 18 or 21, he was legal.

Not defending Spacey, but to act as if this guy is Weinstein or Cosby is just silly. Those two are getting long prison sentences. Spacey will be out by 2020, assuming he’s convicted in 2019.

R274 A number of people on this thread have indeed stated that they do not know of the Club Car's reputation, as you imply everyone on the island does. And these people are posting on a gay site, so probably they're not just sheltered. So maybe you're wrong ?

Why, if a movie star buys you a drink, then subsequently he had every right in the world to shove his hand down your pants and fondle your genitals! It's no longer your body any more if he buys you a cocktail.

All I know is the last time I went to the Club Car the line was filled with women from Boston wearing Tory Burch.

It's not that the Club Car is a specifically gay place, but that it's gay for Nantucket, meaning somewhat mixed.

Which means it's like very other place in an affluent vacation setting, R283 . Thanks for the "somewhat mixed" information.

R281, if a man buys me a drink I owe him nothing. If I allow or encourage that same man to buy me multiple drinks late into the evening and I then go outside to smoke with him, it would not be a shock to me if the man tries something on. Obviously this doesn’t mean that he or any other man has the right to assault or harm me. The complainant in this case sounds extremely naive and incapable of setting even nominal boundaries. I used to drink underage in bars and did some pretty stupid/risky things when I was younger but I have difficulty imagining a scenario wherein I am Snapchatting on my phone whilst I am being sexually assaulted.

What I don't understand is that since the victim was working at the restaurant, they knew he’s only 18. So why were they serving him beer and whiskey at all?

[quote]Spacey is the gay man's Bill Cosby,

Yeah, cuz getting groped after lying about your age and leading someone on by allowing them to chat you up and buy you drinks for a couple of hours straight is the exact same as being drugged and raped. Stupid fucker.

Wow, I've seen Nascar races that didn't run in circles like your argument R285 . You haven't heard a word from the complainant yet, so how does he "sound" like he is unable to establish "nominal boundaries" -- and what the hell does that even mean ? Do you have a set of things you'd expect a kid to do "whilst" a predator is sticking his hands down his pants ? And R287, I'm sure Spacey went to the bar and ordered two drinks at a time. Pretty simple in a crowded bar.

R288, I read the documents that were linked upthread.

Using an app on one’s phone strikes me as an unusual thing to do in the midst of a sexual assault, but I accept that I am old and out of touch.

[quote]r281 Why, if a movie star buys you a drink, then subsequently he had every right in the world to shove his hand down your pants and fondle your genitals! It's no longer your body any more if he buys you a cocktail.

[italic]You all know what I'm going to say...

If you read the documents, you'll realize that Spacey was heavy duty flirting with him before the alleged assault. There was plenty of time for the complainant to either leave or establish boundaries. He did neither.

Isn't it a given you don't have to establish boundaries to keep a stranger from shoving their hands down your pants in public?

Love R159's post. It's amazing how adults who have been around gay bars can't grasp such a simple concept.

I don't know if it's any different for women, but gay men who are attracted to eachother will get touchy after hours of flirting.

Setting nominal boundaries could include things like saying ‘No thanks’ to offers of further drinks; refusing invitations to follow the person to a second more private location, whether that’s an alley outside a bar or a party taking place elsewhere; telling that person to stop when the person subjects you to unwanted touching; or indeed simply walking away if the person is making you feel uncomfortable in any way. This is very basic personal safety information that every young person should be aware of.

Failing to set boundaries does not mean that a victim is to blame for the actions of a predator; it just makes the predator’s work easier for them. The takeaway is that it’s a good idea to learn how basic boundaries work before going out into the big bad world where there are unscrupulous people who can exploit you.

R288 I don't know what documents you're referring to, but if its the report on Boston 10, that is not the kid reporting anything, it's his sister and girlfriend. And why is it so odd that he recorded what was happening ? Don't you think the women Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein encountered wish to God now that they had video ? R294 You're projecting again. Yes, some day a cute teenage boy will insist that you touch him there. It really will happen.

[quote] Failing to set boundaries does not mean that a victim is to blame for the actions of a predator; it just makes the predator’s work easier for them.

You should read R159's post again. It's not the case of exploiting someone who is not setting proper boundaries, it's about someone deliberately inviting that kind of attention. Straight people have done the same thing to entrap gay men before it was considered a hate crime.

I was trying to interpret the situation in a more generous light, but I take your point R297.

R232 You're a fucking idiot. Spacey didn't rape the kid. He made a drunken grope at someone who was of age at the time. Is it a great thing to do? No. Is is something I would do? No. But to press criminal charges on this incident is so absurd. I can't wait for a judge to get ahold of this and disgustedly throw it out for wasting the court's time.

The idiot pizza gate crowd points to THIS and says "See! We told you!" It just shows how completely full of shit they all are.

R281, And a two time Oscar winner, to boot.

Spacey can also be spelt Creepy

My gawd, he looks about 70 in the OP's link. Guilt -- and smoking, drinking, etc -- really sucks.

R302 I was initially surprised to see the change in his appearance (It appears he put on some weight, and dyed his hair and eyebrows), but a couple of seconds into the video, I forgot all about it and was captivated by his performance. His appeal has always been in his screen presence and charisma, not his looks.

After three minutes of getting groped, that 18-year-old must have been about ready to pop.

Not sure how anyone, let alone someone who's 18, can claim to be 'star struck' by an old cretin like Spacey.

To those saying he didn't rape the kid like Cosby, I'm sure there are a lot of other victims where he did. There were so many stories through the years there has to be. Men are more reluctant to come forward too.

[quote]There was plenty of time for the complainant to either leave or establish boundaries. He did neither.

His mother said he was "star struck."

(The young man was blinded by the light of a thousand suns.) It's going to disappoint the mother when she finds out her son was kind of flirting with Kevin and got involved with something he was unequipped to handle at 18 because he lied and told Kevin he was 21. No, he should not have been groped. But he should not be bringing charges against Spacey for this. The young man has blurred the lines and muddied the waters by his own actions.

[quote] But to press criminal charges on this incident is so absurd. I can't wait for a judge to get ahold of this and disgustedly throw it out for wasting the court's time.

I doubt it. Spacey put his hands down his pants and touched his genitals. Maybe he was flirting but it sounded like it was uninvited and his bf said he was drunk, probably not aware of what was happening.

I served in a jury where the man was charged with battery against his ex-girlfriend. She had no bruises, scratches or obvious injuries from the photos. She wasn't even there to be a witness against him. There was a woman who noticed the fight they were having and saw the man strike the woman. There were 3 things that would convict him of battery: if they were in a relationship, if he threatened her and if he even touched her. Not slapped or hit but even a slight touch on their person in a threatening manner. The jury was stumped because the victim was not even there and the photos showed the woman smiling. What the prosecution had was the witness who saw the threatening behavior and the fact that he touched the victim. We ended up convicting the poor guy but felt bad about it.

Assault is probably unwanted contact of a sexual nature. The prosecution will probably bring out witnesses who claim the boy was drunk, not aware of what was happening and saw Spacey put his hand in his pants. They will probably bring out all his friends and family to testify how upset he was afterwards. How does Spacey defend himself against that? Say that the guy was wildly flirting with him and giving him signals? That would be hard to prove especially with his history of unwanted sexual groping which is assault. It sounds like a slam dunk case to me

The law is very specific. People can flirt and get drunk, get a little handsy with their clothes on but putting your hand inside someone's pants to touch their genitals without their invitation or consent is a violation and therefore sexual assault. The Spacey defenders who say it was the boy's fault because he was so flirtatious don't know how the law works. The prosecution will most likely use their big guns against him just to make an example that he can't get away with shit like this just because he used to be a big star.

If Spacey fondling his goods is the most blatant move a gay man has ever made on the kid, which I doubt, he must lead a very sheltered life.

Krazy Kunt.

[quote]r176 The kid hung around to accept multiple drinks. Act like a whore, get treated like a whore.

This sounds like the cover text for some dated pulp fiction novel...

I don't believe much of these attention-seeking allegations.

I don't believe the allegation that someone can reach down and fondle the young liar's genitals. I might believe that you can get a hand down the BACK of someone's pants but not so much the FRONT.

There's more space in the curve of the back to get you hand in. It's more difficult to get down the front of someone's pants.

[quote]r299 Spacey...made a drunken grope at someone who was of age at the time.

Where exactly is it established Mr. Spacey was drunk?

Are you his attorney?

R313 I really hope you're being facetious. I'm struggling to believe anyone could be this thick.

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R313

Let me get this straight... You don't think it's physically POSSIBLE to put your hand down the front of someone's pants?

[quote]r307 The young man has blurred the lines and muddied the waters by his own actions.

His testimony is fruit of a poisoned tree, and now he wants a second bite at the apple.

(Just how many more cliched metaphors can you try to wedge in there?)

It’s outrageous! Kevin touched that poor 18 year child in his “special place.” He’ll need years of therapy for the PTSD.

R316

All this is making me sorry for that 6th Sense kid.

R319 I agree I think celebrities should be allowed to break the law in any manner they choose.

What happened to HIM??

[quote] I don't believe the allegation that someone can reach down and fondle the young liar's genitals.

Spacey has been doing it so many times, he's perfected the art of the frontal genital snatch.

"What happened to HIM??" was re:

[quote]r320 All this is making me sorry for that 6th Sense kid.

R317 You can put your hand down the front of someone's pants IF you put your drink down, use one hand to grip the waistband belt and then used the second hand to place it inside.

All this takes time. And the recipient has to be WILLING to allow the two hands to manipulate him. It's easier to slip one hand down the back of pants.

R321 - two adult men. First man touches second man’s penis. Second man not interested says No. End scene.

I am however concerned about some of the other accusations Kevin Spacey is facing.

R325 - sounds like you have mad Ninja skills in the groping department. Stay away from Nantucket

See you old gays cling to a world where gays had no choice but to furtively grab at each other while making sure nobody knew their dirty secret., no wonder you feel so protective of Spacey. In the 1950s world you oldsters inhabit any kid who can't take a groping ( a mere groping...not even rape!!!) and worse still runs to his frau/cunt/bitch/fish mother is a loser, he should have walked it off right boys? The world has gone in a different direction since you stopped taking notice, you can't stick your hands down strangers pants anymore, it's political correctness gone mad I tells ya!

R325

What makes you think the other party HAS to be willing for that to happen? Haven't you ever frozen up or been totally wrong footed by an inappropriate action?

R323 Have you got any kind of evidence that Spacey has been doing the "FRONTAL genital snatch so many times" before? If at all???

R328

It shows the bizarre, fucked up world Spacey mist inhabit. I know someone who knew him for a bit and he's totally neurotic, like he really sees his sexuality as evil and has embraced that. It's sad to think so many people Identify with that.

Where have you been, R330? Did you put your head in a hole? He's been groping men for years, so back off.

R306 I know nothing about any other cases. I'm looking at this one.

R317 It's physically POSSIBLE to put your hand down the front of someone's pants IF both parties are willing.

The soft tissue on men's stomachs naturally swell forwards in a convex shape (even muscle-bound, fat-free men's stomachs swell forward). And their backs arch forward enabling a much better grasp from behind.

Try it!

I hope I don't go to prison for tipping the pole dancers the very first time I went to a gay club. I had no idea what the proper etiquette was.

R334 At rave parties and dance clubs, it's not unusual to see people groping eachother on the dancefloor as if it were a handshake. They're probably high on ecstacy, but still, a witness can see it and claim assault. Looks like it's best to just stay home these days if you want to avoid trouble.

R334 I know this may come as a shock but I have actually put my hand down a man's pants before.

R337 Front or back?

Did they assist you? Were you willing?

Were they wearing saggers?

[quote R317] It's physically POSSIBLE to put your hand down the front of someone's pants IF both parties are willing.]

Does the mental state of one or both parties somehow affect the laws of physics? The functionality of buttons? I'm really wondering at the logic here.

[quote I know nothing]

Ah!

R338 I'd wager that most gay men have stuck their hand down someone's pants before, and due to the fact that many of them don't wear underwear, have felt up their genitals. It occurs most often on the dance floor but sometimes a couple will retire to a semi private area. Usually both are drunk at that point.

R339 You don't have to undo the buttons. Most people wear loose fit.

According to the police report the complainant was wearing shorts and a button-down shirt.

Day 195 of the Kevin Spacey trial...

"The defence would like to call Trouser Specialist and Quantum Crotch Physicist Helmut Gropengeezer to the stand. "

Our nation is descending into mass hysteria and witch-hunts again.

R344

Yes non-existent commies that can be used to eliminate political opposition are exactly the same thing as wealthy entitled cunts.

[quote]r337 I know this may come as a shock but I have actually put my hand down a man's pants before.

#MeToo

"I posit to ze jury zat ze angle of ze entry at waistband level make ze grope impossible. If Ze pants don't fit you must aquit!"

I could get my hands down the front of these pants!

Putting aside the legal aspects, some of you sound like the gay version of incels. Listen, eldergays, iif you buy someone one drink or ten you aren't buying the right to touch them.

If you're old and fug and being famous and rich isn't enough to get you laid, then go buy the services of a sex worker. They'll pretend to like you. They'll pretend that they think you're hot and desirable. Don't bother trying to get stranger in a bar drunk and then pounce on them. In the long term, escorts are cheaper than criminal defense lawyers.

Do you have anything positive to suggest, R349?

More guys that got the same treatment as Heather's boy:

R351 We're dealing with anonymous postings now?

[quote] Putting aside the legal aspects, some of you sound like the gay version of incels. Listen, eldergays, iif you buy someone one drink or ten you aren't buying the right to touch them.

No, but it's usually a sign you want to initiate a conversation. If the person is on their their third or fourth drink, they are likely past the conversation stage.

[quote] If you're old and fug and being famous and rich isn't enough to get you laid, then go buy the services of a sex worker.

Some people like the art of seduction. Others play hard to get in order to amp up their desirability. However, if everything was as antiseptic and depersonalized as you suggest, then yes, you may as well turn to an escort or even porn if you don't want to deal with any human emotions at all.

[quote]r353 If the person is on their their third or fourth drink, they are likely past the conversation stage.

For a teen, that might be the puking point...

R353 - 2nd hand stories at that. R309 - what “big guns” would this be? R308 - If the criminal complaint is indication of the prosecution’s case, this is not a slam dunk. In fact, the details of the case generate more questions than answers.

I kinda wanna know what R7 has hiding on his hard drive, and I kinda don't wanna know.

I wonder if there's security tape. Maybe it shows how many drinks he plied the teen with?

It just all has such a horrible Polanski vibe!

And you R299 are a pervert protector, fuck you and your pretend concern for the heavy hand of the law, you're just another apologist for handsy old men, the conclusion we can come to ( with no pizzagate needed ) is that you see yourself in Spacey, poor you.

The horny old guys here bragging about putting their hands down young guys pants forget to tell you the guys were wearing Knickerbockers and spats at the time.

It's shocking that with his intellect, talent and position he couldn't hold a boyfriend . . . . and instead was reduced to forever preying on (unwilling) strangers.

He must be absolutely intolerable to be around for long.

Kevin Spacey is going to jail, and there’s nothing the creepy old pedo defenders here can do about it. Stop arguing with the pedo trolls. That’s what the block feature is for.

Will you people NEVER LEARN?

STOP ARGUING WITH OBVIOUS TROLLS.

BLOCK THEM.

Do we know if the kid was wearing traditional dress pants?

Perhaps he was wearing athletic pants with an elastic waist, much easier to pull back and reach a hand down.

[quote]r359 The horny old guys here bragging about putting their hands down young guys pants forget to tell you the guys were wearing Knickerbockers and spats at the time.

Or maybe 70s speedos provided easy access (?)

I think they should raise the age of consent to 45 and people can only consent after they've had rigorous self-defense training and been shown videos of the perils of homosexual predators.

R308 You say 'Spacey put his hands down his pants and touched his genitals'.

Prove it!

Or perhaps old men could absorb the fact they can't grab at everything they want R364

He's sexually assaulted dozens if not hundreds of people. Almost all of them are staying silent, perhaps to protect their careers, perhaps out of shame. I don't know.

Anyone who thinks Spacey is innocent has clearly never worked in the entertainment industry. Sharing Spacey horror stories is practically a first day of rehearsal rite of passage in London theatre. EVERYONE has one. Just a few months ago I was at a party marking the last performance of my West End play and we all wound up swapping our Spacey stories. I know one attractive youngish gay man (now famous) who worked with Spacey who was basically completely ignored by him, and it's practically a running joke in the industry that he's the only man in theatre Spacey's never harassed.

God, but I love you, Frank Underwood! You're right, we DO want you back!

[quote]Or perhaps old men could absorb the fact they can't grab at everything they want [R364]

Or anything they want. Amputate their evil hands and place everyone's genitals in fish tanks full of holy water!

[quote]It just all has such a horrible Polanski vibe!

Polanski's victim was 13.

R369 Yes dear. ..deep breaths... why does the thought of old men not having access to any genitals they fancy rile you so much? Is it the frustration of waning appeal? Don't do the Spacey toupee thing you still look old but also ridiculous and young guys still don't find you attractive.

When is Kevin going to off himself? That video he posted was cray cray af.

There's a generation now who want all the privileges of adulthood with none of the responsibility.

They are very disingenuous. Waltzing around in bras at 'Slut Walks' one minute, screaming of 'trauma' when someone ogles them the next.

Some facts of life: Most men want sex - a lot of sex. They go looking for sex. They look around for people to have sex with. They approach people that they decide they want sex with. Men that want sex with you will approach you.

When they approach you, you have a choices: pretend you don't understand that they want sex with you, fail to make that clear, fail to remove yourself, fail to refuse drinks /drugs / money / offers of lifts / offers of work when you know they want sex with you and are offering these things in exchange for sex, or, have sex with them if you are attracted to them, or, if you find them physically a turn off but decide to go through with it for the drinks etc. It's called being an ADULT and living in the ADULT world.

The police don't patrol bars, workplaces, public transport, clubs, etc looking to rap men who are looking for sex on the knuckles. WISE UP and stop acting like children lost in the forest.

[quote]He's sexually assaulted dozens if not hundreds of people. Almost all of them are staying silent, perhaps to protect their careers, perhaps out of shame. I don't know.

Many are making anonymous accusations online. Knowing he won't be able to legally challenge all of it. I have zero doubt that Spacey oversteps the mark, and it's certainly looking like he's broken some laws, but I want more than anon twitter accusations to determine whether someone is treated as a criminal or not. Anyone can post anything these days and have thousands read it and repost it. It's out of control. Posting of your 'trauma' should not replace seeking legal redress if someone commits a crime against you. Fight for the court system to be improved for victims. Don't feed the social media machine and help create a world in which lives can be destroyed through untested, un-scrutinised, anon gossip.

Spacey is a desperate, grabby old cunt, the only reason anyone here is defending him is because they are a bird of his feather, there is no plausible reason to shield Spacey from his own actions, he is not a victim of political correctness he is a sad relic.

*Pulls up a chair* r367 Tell us more

[quote]When is Kevin going to off himself?

Brit here who woke up to hear the tail-end of a leading news story about Spacey. I'd seen the video on DL the previous night.

What struck me (before I found it was about the charges) was that another George Michael Christmas Day-style demise would not have been surprising. Shocking yes, surprising no.

[quote]why does the thought of old men not having access to any genitals they fancy rile you so much?

Why does the thought of "old men" in particular touching another person's genitals (gasp!) rile you so much? An unwanted sexual advance is the same however old or young the evil predator is. That's why I think we should amputate all hands at birth and everyone's dirty pillows should be washed daily in the presence of the Lord.

"Some facts of life: Most men want sex - a lot of sex. They go looking for sex. They look around for people to have sex with. They approach people that they decide they want sex with. Men that want sex with you will approach you."

And herein lies the problem. Victims are treating these predators as human beings, when in reality they should be treated like the stray dogs they really are. Get a broom, get a baseball bat, whatever, but brush them off as you would a stray dog trying to hump your leg. If someone had clubbed Spacey with a baseball bat years ago, this all could have been avoided. Same with Harvey Weinstein.

Does every unwanted advance now become "sexual assault" nowadays? Some guys are clumsy, or awkward or overly eager but it doesn't make them evil "predators." Now everything becomes sexual assault, or rape, and every guy who likes younger partners become sexual predators and pedophiles. We're throwing these words around freely nowadays. Every touch becomes a life-changing traumatizing event. What's happening to our society? I guess everyone should go out wearing oven mitts.

Why is nobody talking about the size of the young man’s dong?

[quote]Victims are treating these predators as human beings, when in reality they should be treated like the stray dogs they really are.

Predators should be treated like a soiled handbag while victims should be treated like an unmade bed in a dusky summer's bedroom.

[quote]Why is nobody talking about the size of the young man’s dong?

I'm calling the authorities!!!

[quote]Does every unwanted advance now become "sexual assault" nowadays? Some guys are clumsy, or awkward or overly eager but it doesn't make them evil "predators."

I haven't read all the allegations against Spacey, but from what I have read it seems that his M.O. falls into the unpleasant/aggressive category rather than awkward or inept.

Newsflash to all the Fainting Fannies: laws are a man-made invention to act as some form of deterrent. They do not change human nature, and neither will your wilting generation. Human beings are crude, imperfect, and sexual. If you really can't deal with that reality, f you can't or won't equip yourself wth some basic skills to manage that reality, and to try and keep yourself out of situations you can't handle, then you have no right to call yourself an adult.

"I guess he must have come up behind me and yanked down my baggy jeans, and he goes to f--k me and I’m like, “No, I don’t want to.” And he pushes hard, and grabs me, and starts shoving up against my asshole, and it hurts like a motherf--ker. I again tell him no, and he tries again. I am strong enough, thank God, both somewhere in my brain and in my body, to get him off of me. I’m sturdy, thankfully. I throw him off of me and I run crying down the stairs and out into the street and then suck it all up and go have dinner."

Spacey is a nasty piece of work if - IF - it's true that he roofies guys and attacks them when they can't defend themselves, That's criminal psycho behaviour. Fuck him, if it's true. And fuck him if he misbehaves around minors.

However. There is a worrying trend at work here in which hysteria is growing up around normal male gay and het sexual behaviour, that includes making passes, proposing sex, flirting, touching of any kind, in any situation, if the behaviour is unwanted. It is not illegal to be sexual. I think what we have here is a huge number of people who were abused as kids, who have never been treated for that, and who cannot handle sexual behaviour, of any kind, no matter how normal / non-illegal. They panic, and freak out, and start talking about 'trauma'. I also think it's highly ironic that this new mood of increasing puritanism walks hand in hand with a culture drowning in extreme, practically unchecked, pornography.

R385 for the win!!!

I was having a consensual sexual relationship with him and one day he tried to have sex with me but I was like "Not tonight, Josephine!" but he kept on and I shoved him off and ran away crying into the street and then realized I was almost RAPED IN THE NOONOO!!! and I sucked it all up and sauntered off to dinner with the gals and only now does the horror come flooding back to me 34 years later and I will not be silenced!!!!

R386 - That coming from the anon who tells the world Kevin is a pedophile & we had sex when I was a kid. But I’m not going to the police. Yeah. OK.

R385 and R387 nail it.

R390 Yes, because historically the police have been so supportive of women and gay assault victims. Two words: Andrew Cunanan.

R384

That’s what turns him on apparently. He enjoys the agression.

I've told this story before, but there's a successful, quite young British theatre director who tells a story about being an assistant or something on a show with Spacey when he was first starting out, and Spacey completely ignored him until the last day when he cornered the younger man, did a full-on gorilla power stance over him, and said, "I'm gonna fuck you. I don't know when. I don't know where. But one day, I'm gonna fuck you." Then walked out.

The director tells this story all the time and evidently regards it as baffling and amusing, but that gives a good insight into the kind of man Spacey was.

On CNN now

"Spacey posted a bizarre video on YouTube"

I did 2 movies with Mr. Spacey . He was a perfect gentleman. When he fucked me he didn't cum in my ass but in my mouth the way I wanted it...

I'm on his side. Twitter justice is bullshit. Most people don't even have a clue what the allegations are against him, they just hear "rape" and "pedophile" and they jump into the lynch mob. It's got homphobia written all over it.

Strangely enough people have no problems with Dustin Hoffman who whiped his dick out on a teen and Sylvester Stallone was accused of underage rape.

Wonder if the social media team gets paid extra for their posts re this sordid mess on a holiday?

Info came out last time, what were they based out of Oz? Someone must remember.

It should be crystal clear by how that nobody really gives a shit about women and gay men being assaulted an abused. The only predators taken to task are the aging Matt Lauers and Charlie Roses and the no longer powerful Weinstein, aka people that no longer bring in the ratings or are long in the tooth. Les Moonves was shut canned because CBS was no longer the ratings darling it was. Meanwhile, Bryan Singer is being protected, Josh Brolin still has a career, Sean Penn is still working; etc.

This case is fucking bogus.The Mom is doing this for personal gain of some kind. Meanwhile, her son is hiding in the shadows letting Mommy fight his battles because he doesn't want to come out. There are a plethora of stories out there about what a disgusting pedophile Spacey is, but this was the only one to result in charges. know why? Because law enforcement isn't trying very hard to find victimes because they involve gay men.

I agree with the Bryan Singer take. He gets to stay in Hollywood because he consistently makes movies that gross 9 figures.

I think Spacey is guilty as sin but there is a strain of homophobia in our culture. No one got hit harder on social media during metoo than Spacey, even though other men did just as many horrible things to women. But I guess to the public, men chasing women is par for the course, while men chasing other men is icky. The reaction to the Dwight Howard story only confirmed this.

Actually, Dustin Hoffman and Sylvester Stallone are problematic as well, R397. Your point?

r401 That they're still working and their names are not synonymous with pedophilia.

He could make a come back playing John Wayne Gacy, he’s perfect for the part.

Gacy killed gay men. Spacey just cops & feels. Big difference.

I wish I had thought of suing every gross old troll who touched my crotch in a bar when I was a cute young twink. I would be a multi-millionaire now. Instead, I just told the trolls to fuck off and got on with my night.

Good for them that they're still working. Last time Hoffman made a film that I went to see was 10+ years ago, and it was for Emma Thompson playing a lesbian more than anything else. As for Stallone, he's niche - apart from his fans nobody cares.

Check this out

For all we know, that's all he does R404.

The kid, Will, had an agenda from the start by telling Spacey he was 23. Tw.enty three! The kid's a liar

This foiled shake -down will go nowhere in the courts.

Very cool post by Rosanna Arquette.

Rosanna Arquette can go fuck herself. Why doesn't she take aim at Trump and Clinton and Alan Dershowitz? cause they're not gay and Spacey's a soft target.

Fuck off, R411.

So, do you get paid extra on the holidays?

Who defends a creepy, predatory perv like Spacey?

The shills and trolls R411 et al are getting desperate. Their guy is finished, so are the like - it's over.

Will wanted it but then changed his mind and decided it was assaulted. Tale as old as time.....

Yeah, R413, and people hard up for money.

People trying to conflate homophobia with Spacey being held accountable are clearly posting off his original PR playbook.

That video was just bizarre. I think he is going for some kind of not competent legal strategy. What other goal could there be?

r386 That reads like fiction written by a straight dude filled with gay panic.

Didn't know Rosanna Arquette was a conspiracy theorist.

I didn’t know she was either. I’m so tired of these cryptic insidery posts hinting at further revelations of wrongdoing and then... nothing. It’s like everyone’s taking after that Crazy Days and Nights guy.

I went to Mardi Gras around 1980 or so,and did the bar crawl for most of the night. I was wearing a pair of Daisy Dukes and a white tank top,and when I woke up the next day my ass was a mass of bruises from guys pinching and grabbing it. As were my nipples. I guess in retrospect I was raped a 1000 times! Who can I sue ? What is to become of me ? All the memories flooding in from that horror filled night have rendered me catatonic! WAH ! WAH !

Next time you'll be calling us sissies!

The young man's mother definitely seems to have a problem with the idea that her son is gay and went out to the bar looking for cock. The way she looked at the camera at that news conference and said "Shame on you, Kevin Spacey!" she may as well have been saying to her son "Being gay is shameful!" which is why she seems to constantly emphasize the fact her son is STRAIGHT at every opportunity.

He should be hanged if only because of that ridiculous video he just released.

The kid was at a restaurant and had a girlfriend, he was not trolling glory holes looking for the old and decrepit.

Spacey has been groping the young and uninterested for decades.

R423, what do you think he hoped to accomplish?

Oh, he had a girlfriend? Definitely not gay then! And he accepted several drinks off a single older man and lied about his age for totally innocent reasons, obvs...

The video is surprisingly brave (or reckless). He's coming out fighting and he's using his talent and his most famous character in a layered message to his fans and his detractors. Whichever way you look at it, it's extremely bold and should be applauded as a rare instance of tenacity in an otherwise bland and acquiescent culture.

I think the "that would be easy line" and "confessing it all" refers to his sexuality. When he says nothing is so simple in politics and in life, he is talking about how Hollywood typically discourages actors from coming out of the closet, especially around the time he became famous. But it also indicates that if he had come out earlier, there would have been less speculation about his private life and potential crimes, which he reminds us "he didn't do".

The other interesting thing is his playing by the rules comment. House of Cards was the first big online hit and considered a risk at the time. The "you loved it" comment is referring to the success of HOC. The "we all said what we wanted line" is, I believe, a reference to speaking out about his abuse, but I'm not sure.

Anyone else try to deconstruct the video?

The "you never really saw me die" comment is being interpreted it as a direct reference to the show, but it could also convey that his silence in the wake of the allegations was not an admission of guilt and that he is ready to fight.

R378 as we are discussing a sad,old predator the old bit is relevant and does add to the yucky aspect as ( despite the wishes of the unloved elderly here ) young people don't generally want the sexual attention of people three times their age. By the way your attempts at humor , if that's what you are trying for,are very weak, it's not your forte.

A most useful thread for blocking pedo apologists.

Thanks, Datalounge!

r430 You type old x

[quote]Anyone else try to deconstruct the video?

Oh, no, dear, please continue!

[quote] - what “big guns” would this be? [R308] - If the criminal complaint is indication of the prosecution’s case, this is not a slam dunk. In fact, the details of the case generate more questions than answers.

Have you ever sat in a jury with a really good prosecutor? The government has access to the CC tapes, they can subpoena witnesses, they can get their own psychologists and draw up diagrams up the wazoo on their Power Point. They're up against an ex-big star who will also higher his own expensive lawyer and team so the government is going to hire their best prosecutor. And with Spacey's reputation as a perv and the fact that this may get major publicity, you bet the higher ups in law enforcement want to look good.

No matter how you try to defend him and rationalize his pervy behavior, he touched a man without his consent and violated his person and has a history of doing this. I don't know if the government can bring up his sordid history but they may find a way around it. I think Spacey just needs to plead guilty.

R432 perhaps I am old, nothing wrong with that you however type dumb and desperate.

r435 Nothing wrong with being old at all, but I have noticed that people who have a problem with other old people and young people having sex tend to be old themselves and yet they always talk as though they're young x

Well you type fat, R432.

It's no different than straight intergenerational relationships. Most of the time it doesn't work out beyond hooking up, but the rare exception sometimes happens and the couple will stay together for awhile.

r437 That's because I type with my dick x

The video makes more sense if you consider the fact that it's not only addressed to the fans but to those in Hollywood who perpetuated homophobia and who were themselves complicit in the abuse. It's as if Spacey is issuing a warning to them.

If the Oscars want ratings, they should hire Spacey to host.

It's all find and dandy to hold Spacey accountable for his actions.

It's all find and dandy to hold Spacy accountable for his actions.

I just want to know when Trump will be held accountable for HIS actions... which are significantly worse.

I just watched it again and imagined he was talking to Bryan Singer and others like him.

"find and dandy"

Oh, dear.

Trump and Clnton have got to be held accountable too.

Rete said: "Some people like the art of seduction. Others play hard to get in order to amp up their desirability. However, if everything was as antiseptic and depersonalized as you suggest, then yes, you may as well turn to an escort or even porn if you don't want to deal with any human emotions at all.

you might have a few drinks with someone you want to seduce. But we're talking about 5 to 10 drinks here. That's enough to impair judgement, slow down reaction time , induce nausea, etc. If you need to get someone wasted before they will consider having sex, then we're not talking about the art of seduction. In that situation, you're just a predator who forgot to bring your roofies.

I don't take a position on the legality of Spacey's behavior in this incident. But we're in a new age with regard to consent and I think overall it's a good thing. Sex should be desired by and rewarding to both people involved. The fact that this is a controversial opinion on this site tells me how sad and desperate some of you are.

R447, hear, hear

R446, don't EVEN mention Bill's name in the same breath as Trump's. Don't EVEN try to equate the two. Stop. No.

[quote]But we're in a new age with regard to consent

I think the world is just carrying on as it always has, regardless of the current tone of media discussion around this issue. As with most moral crusades, it's the appearance of rectitude that matters. Behind closed doors is an entirely different matter.

r449, They both were on Epstein's plane and private island and they've both been accused of rape. It is what it is.

Just thank the lord that the actually well liked President (Obama) has a clean record.

We are not in 'a different era' when t comes to consent.

Just as many people will encounter assault and rapes in 2019 as in 2018. You cannot legislate human nature out of existence. Can't some of you get that through your heads? t's utterly naive and / or disingenuous of you to think, with your modish nouveau piety, that some fucking hashtag and a golum Hollywood mogul getting sacked changes anything. Men want sex. Get that through your fucking heads, gays and women. Have your wits about you. The police don't give a fuck if you get groped. Where do you imagine all guys with wandering hands would be jailed? They can't even jail the vast majority of rapists! Good luck with your Dora Dumfuck, Ingenue approach to adult life!

[quote] You cannot legislate human nature out of existence.

Exactly. This just puts unbearable stress on the individual when every single social interaction is judged by impossible standards. It's unfortunate that this change has to coincide with the loss of privacy making anyone and everyone a target.

Fuck Rosanna Arquette.

Government is presumably hoping that the threat of being shamed on social media will take over as an alternative deterrent to costly and overburdened police casework, courts, trials and prison sentences. That's what is happening - a shift from the law being used to punish sexual offending, to social media being a sort of theatre of shame where enough Goody SJW accusations can cost you your reputation, your job, your income. The only 'proof', defence, judge or jury required - just a sad faced individual with a plausible story and a few crying emoticons.

The only 'proof', = No proof... etc

R451 This is a sincere question regarding Epstein's private island. Did any powerful black men visit that island, or was it whites only?

I was giving one of the urinals a refill in the bathroom of my local Club Chlamydia when to my surprise none other than Mr. KEVIN SPACEY walked in. He sauntered past all the available urinals (including the piss trough in the middle of the room!!) so that he could occupy the one right next to mine. Well, naturally, I felt honored. I had just turned 18 a few minutes beforehand, and this was the most love I'd seen in an older man's eyes since my ASL teacher taught me how to sign the letters H-I-V within the depths of my pleasure chest. I got a bit nervous and paused the stream while I stammered out that I loved his work in "High Fidelity" and "Serendipity." He looked vaguely hurt, so my nurturing instincts kicked in (I am a Cancer after all! LOL!!) and I asked if he was feeling alright. His face lit up again and he edged closer to me, whispering seductively, "I'm okay, I just haven't had a drink all night."

Well, what happened next left me swooning more than I was after my Bible School teacher taught me for the first time why they called it Palm Sunday! He shoved me aside, got on his hands and knees, and scarfed about five bladders worth of fresh mineral water out of the tinkle trench like an Ethiopian at the Golden Corral chocolate fountain! When he was finished, he stood back up, turned to me, and serenaded me with, "All that piss from all those men, and I bet none of it would be as sweet as a few drops of yours."

Well, I won't lie, I did shed a tear at such a passionate profession... My ears had been deprived of such sweet nothings ever since I lost my uncle in a freak auto accident (autoerotic asphyxiation). Sometimes I still had dreams about that sweet man waking up me and my brown grotto for an early morning stir, and this was a chance to make that dream a reality again, if only for one night. I spotted poppers and hypodermic needles scattered across the bathroom floor like rose petals, I smelled the urine on an older man's breath, and I heard the nostalgic sounds of leather queens whipping each other to the beat of It's Raining Men, so I could easily pretend I was back home. Besides, after his lovely words, how could I say no to the sweet gentlemen?

As soon as I plopped my plumbing into his mouth, I would have sworn his esophagus was a catheter, because I instantly began to release. Then, once he started to realize the well was running dry, he slid his middle finger into my compost compartment and started making prostate pudding. ECSTASY!!! After that, I obviously had to thank him, so I splashed some water-based lube from the golden gully onto my pecker and told the old slut to bend over.

As if I couldn't BE any more turned on, the seasoned actor stripped naked, and his colon hit the floor before he did. The second I lifted it up off the floor, the inner beast awakened, gurgled in excitement, and swallowed my length down like a giant suction hose discovering downtown Detroit! By the time he showed me the trick where he extended his worn-out sphincter out of the bathroom and let me fuck him from the corner of the hall, I was ready to explode again. I let him find his way back to me like a 90's corded home phone, and before you knew it, our kids were taking tours of each other's chocolate factories.

By the time the two of us stumbled out of the bathroom, we both smelled like sweat, jizz, and the final days of Jean Harlow. In spite of his slapping me when I told him I wasn't underage, I still consider it one of the finest nights of my life... so far! ;) LOL!!

"On the Shipping News the producers got him a fucking pool table so he could host 'tournaments' wth local youths. I mean, really."

And you're a gay man? I actually hope not.

Clutch those pearls. (huff) "I mean, REALLY."

I think that was probably much funnier in your head, R458.

R549

He is hurting gays . He perpetuates the stereotype that gays are predators . F him!

[quote] regarding Epstein's private island. Did any powerful black men visit that island, or was it whites only?

It's in the Caribbean so I'm certain Pedophile Island was integrated. Blacks were probably allowed to mop the floors and carry luggage.

[quote]He is hurting gays . He perpetuates the stereotype that gays are predators . F him!

Anyone who judges an entire group by the example of one member of that group has shit for brains and isn't worth worrying about.

Brava Miss R458!

I think this whole thing is overblown. Nonetheless ...

Many of you are incorrectly conflating these charges with statutory rape, which it is not. The victim's age has nothing to do with these charges, even if mom brought up his age in a sort of naivete defense. Believe it or not, Datalounge whores, it is illegal in many places to grab somebody's - anybody's, of any age's - pussy without prior consent. It is called a variety of things such as "(sexual) battery," "(sexual) assault," etc.

Others' genitals are not fair game just because they're within easy reach.

And we've gone over this again and again. Spacey obviously has some sort of fetish for the surprise attack. He gets off on being aggressive. I bet Spacey wouldn't even be interested in somebody who actually came on to him.

And Spacey's groping hands have nothing to do with the sexuality of his victims. I can't believe how many of you are taking the "he was asking for it" line. I doubt this 18 year old guy had been reading Datalounge and blind items, in order to learn that Spacey was a predator.

Sick bunch of whores you are, assuming that everybody is as used up as you are. Nobody's asking for it unless they, you know, ask for it. Or, when asked, consent to it.

[quote]No matter how you try to defend him and rationalize his pervy behavior, he touched a man without his consent and violated his person and has a history of doing this. I don't know if the government can bring up his sordid history but they may find a way around it. I think Spacey just needs to plead guilty.

R434, I'm not the person you addressed but I do agree with him. The case is still 50/50 and I think saying that doesn't mean that I or the other person supports Spacey.

I actually have a Spacey story of my own but he didn't touch me, luckily, but instead was hitting on me at my place of work a little over a decade ago. I also wouldn't have been down with that.

Nobody knows what kind of defense his people will mount or how good the prosecutors will be but it is pretty easy to come up with the kind of questions the victim will be asked and they will tear apart his own statements.

Did he consent and was he in a state of mind where he could consent?

He starts out by saying that he didn't say anything when he started touching him but instead he snapchatted and texted. He also says he didn't want to get in trouble so he didn't want to say anything. However, he then says he tried to move his hands away and Spacey kept trying to touch him. [bold]That would normally be the signal that would tell anyone that he didn't consent even if he didn't say it verbally.[/bold]

However, unless there is a credible witness that saw what was going on they're totally going to try and paint that boy as a liar who admitted to lying about several things that night and that's going to hurt him. Kevin could say that never happened or that he didn't know the boy was heavily intoxicated. So the kid needs someone else who saw everything that night.

You're right. It does come down to the fact that Kevin shouldn't have had his hands on someone without their permission but they've got to prove that's exactly what has happened.

R465 You sound very patronizing especially given the fact that you presume to know more about him than anyone else. The fact is you can't presume his character based on gossip or allegations that haven't been proven. You also presume to know what the alleged victim was thinking but from all objective accounts, including evidence taken from the court docs, he actively encouraged the behavior.

[quote]they've got to prove that's exactly what has happened.

And they won't be able to. Unless the snapchat recorded the guy saying 'WTF get your hands off my dick you fucking asshole', which did not happen. there's not enough to convict. And Spacey and his lawyers know that.

But my payout!

R468 The fact that the alleged victim was snapchatting the whole time is the weirdest part about the whole thing. He either was into it or didn't care. Either way, that doesn't seem to jibe with what he said about being raped.

So how old did this 18 yr old start drinking? He drank 5 to 10 drinks? That's a lot for 18 year old. usually they are puking up after a few.

I can understand that he was star struck.

The fact he snapchatted it without verbally or physically remonstrating looks like he was getting material for a shakedown / media sale. The fact that the next morning he went to his sister and said Spacey 'raped' hm, is even weirder. If it goes to trial Spacey's lawyers will destroy him as a fantasist / attention seeker

Spacey’s law team is already licking their chops. That’s why he made that video. He’s going to get acquitted and make a tremendous comeback.

R471, He said in the police report to the officer that he'd been drunk a lot before. That doesn't mean much of anything. Drunk or not, the question is still how drunk was he and if he consented.

The other interesting thing is that there are tons of interviews in that police report after Will's initial interview with witnesses. Some of them didn't see Spacey, some of them saw him but didn't see anything going on. No one spotted the mystery woman but according several people that worked there everyone knew what Will said had happened and most of them heard it from some guy named Dave who, when asked by police, said he saw nothing. Furthermore their statements that Will was joking about it with the staff doesn't look good.

If there is a mystery woman, hopefully she'll come forward and say something but again she would have had to of seen what was taking place.

He may get acquitted but he's not making a comeback. Like, ever. Well, maybe he'll be able to sign an exclusive "Older4Me" or "MyFirstDaddy" contract. Or TIM, if he's more "adventurous".

When Kevin Spacey pets your dog.

The flight manifests are online as is his black book, R457. Interesting question and it would be worth a scroll.

A name that popped up that was surprising to me was Tipper Gore.

A lot of scientists visited as well, Epstein is a big funder of AI. Stephen Hawking was there a few times, I believe.

Preach, R461!

[quote][R465] You sound very patronizing especially given the fact that you presume to know more about him than anyone else. The fact is you can't presume his character based on gossip or allegations that haven't been proven. You also presume to know what the alleged victim was thinking but from all objective accounts, including evidence taken from the court docs, he actively encouraged the behavior.

R436 Your assumptions are faulty, I have no issue with inter-generational sex, or any kind of sex, so long as it's consensual and this is the sticking point with Spacey, consent is not his thing, and it seems his dislike for consent chimes with many DLers of the older variety who sadly had to experiment sexually in a furtive and secretive way that has warped their outlook. I know they feel they had the best time, for them it was edgy, underground, rebellious etc and involved grabbing sexual experience where/when you could, consent was a non-issue for a furtive restroom encounter. Unfortunately the context for this was iron hard prejudice from society and crippling self loathing for the gays whatever the rose colored specs say. This seems to have led gays of a certain age and experience to see the modern world as a feeble joke, with its touchy-feely ways drowning in PC, they don't seem to trust a world where being gay doesn't mean living in the shadows, purses falling from mouths are not revolting and subjects such as consent are not sissy. Old gay life was as good as it could be at that time but there have been many changes in the decades since and any pearl clutching is now done by the bitter oldsters horrified by those changes. Spacey is one of these types, not worth defending, he's a fucked up, self loather who is entirely the architect of his own downfall.

Spacey looks awful in that video - bloated and covered in make-up - he's aged 15 years.

REGARDLESS of whether you feel what Spacey did to that 18-year-old in that bar was outright criminal or just sleazy or whatever, I don't understand how anyone can disagree that it's a HORRIFIC mistake for the mother (presumably with the kid's permission) to make this incident public. I would think the public charge alone would be traumatically embarrassing for the young man -- far more traumatic than the groping itself -- and a trial will be even more so, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if he does something drastic like tries to kill himself.

DL called it

"I would think the public charge alone would be traumatically embarrassing for the young man -- far more traumatic than the groping itself -- and a trial will be even more so, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if he does something drastic like tries to kill himself."

So instead of prosecuting sex offenders the victims should just keep it a secret?! You sound awful. Why would he kill himself - dataloungers aside, I bet most people admire him for having the guts to speak out against a powerful man. Gotta love the dataloungers for attacking the victim and his mom, instead of giving the hate to the guy who really deserves it - Spacey

The HORRIFIC MISTAKE was made by Spacey, R482.

It is one he has made again and again.

Whether the victim is gay or not, the issue is Spacey.

I'm curious as to whether the young man wanted charges or did the mother push for a prosecution

Kevin picked up a 15-year-old hitchhiker in Newfoundland when he was filming The Shipping News and dumped the kid on the side of the road when he wouldn't give Kevin a bj

Not sure why people call his video “ballsy”, he sounds like a clueless narcissist. It’s a tried tactic of men to stupidly stand their ground. He’s rich and thinks his lawyers can get him out of anything. As a celebrity, he thinks none of his actions will have consequences.

He's a sick man

There's a 12 year old victim now?

20 years ago I worked in movie programming for a large company. While at lunch with a co-worker, she told me that a make-up artist friend told her that "Kevin Spacey liked them young."

20. Fucking. Years. Ago.

This was a Weinstein-level cover-up.

R487, it is believable based on other stories, on the year the film was made and the age of the comedian.

Maybe that is when he switched to pool table grooming.

Anyone who is pushing the it is homophobic to not circle the wagons better be a paid shill and not a gay man b/c R491 speaks truth.

We have heard about all the girls Epstein had on his island - what about the young boys? He is settling cases left and right to keep the lid on. He ran a honeypot for years and no WAY is that info getting out into the public domain. The value is to be retained by those who paid and set up Epstein.

It is Spacey who is likely to kill himself. Still cannot believe Cosby did not do so. This world would be a better place with 2 fewer predators.

Everybody’s got a story now. And the ages keep getting lower and lower. What’s next, Spacey groped a toddler at McDonald’s?

The thing is, it is the system that promotes and shields this. Yes, these are horrible humans, but they are concentrated in particular industries - entertainment, law, politics, law enforcement, the military, academia - where it is possible to create little fiefdoms. Cosby, Spacey, Hastert, Clinton - birds of a feather.

That's my job R493

Spacey is the Trump of closeted gay actors.

[QUOTE]The thing is, it is the system that promotes and shields this. Yes, these are horrible humans, but they are concentrated in particular industries - entertainment, law, politics, law enforcement, the military, academia - where it is possible to create little fiefdoms. Cosby, Spacey, Hastert, Clinton - birds of a feather.

Unlike the others, Spacey hasn’t been convicted of any charges.

Why are people too dense to understand that it's possible for Kevin Spacey to be a disgusting, violent, criminal predator and ALSO for it to be a big mistake for the mother of that 18-year-old to press charges? Those two things are NOT mutually exclusive. And the reason it's a big mistake for the mother to press charges IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE is because of some of the details, including the kid being in a bar and drinking while underage for legal alcohol consumption, plus the incredible embarrassment to her son because of some of those details.

It was a restaurant, R498. One in which he worked. The prosecutors are well aware of the details and have moved forward with the case. It is ultimately their call, it is not a civil case.

[quote] I bet most people admire him for having the guts to speak out against a powerful man. Gotta love the dataloungers for attacking the victim and his mom, instead of giving the hate to the guy who really deserves it - Spacey

The perv has been getting away this this kind of behavior for years. I bet more young men will come forward with Spacey stories in support of this guy, especially if the media or Spacey's team gives him a hard time (like people are doing here, unbelievably).

Spacey is a creep. He frequently invited Ansel Elgort to "hang out" during the production of Baby Driver. Ansel kept his distance.

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R494, stop putting Clinton in with the rest of these guys. Seriously. Stop it. There's no credible evidence he's even remotely as bad as any of the others. Sorry.

I know you have a hard-on to hate Clinton, but stop it.

The persistence exhibited by Spacey has been noted over and over, even from adult co-workers. He is not a guy who takes no for an answer and stops. I can imagine a kid, who does not have a lot of experience, and who does not want to create a scene in a place where he works, having a difficult time getting him to stop - he would not be the first.

He groped the teen son of Richard Dreyfuss WITH HIS FATHER IN THE ROOM. That kid also froze and did not make a scene, Spacey was the director, of a play his father was in the boss.

Freezing is a very common response, one predators count on.

An adult co-worker called him handsy, if he does it at work, why not out at a restaurant?

People need to stop blaming the mother and victim about pressing charges against their friend, Kevin.

As R499 said, it's up to the state. If the victim decides to not be involved the prosecutor may still go ahead with the charges if they have enough evidence to convict. One of the trials I attended as a juror was where the victim did not pursue charges but the State did because it had enough evidence to prove guilt.

I think the State has the witnesses and other evidence so that's why the trial is happening. Of course, they're not saying what they have.

If he groped one 18 year old feet from his father, who is to think he would not grope another near a piano?

This was the Independent article headline since links do not work on DL

Bryan Singer denies Kevin Spacey 'inappropriate behaviour' held up The Usual Suspects According to the director, filming was never shut down

Jack Shepherd @JackJShepherd

They go WAY back. What a character witness, eh?

Yeah yeah, for fuck’s sake how many times is that Harry Dreyfuss story gonna get brought up? If Harry should be mad at anybody, it should be his pops who knew what was happening and did nothing.

The current crop of young people seem more than a bit naive. Harry describes Spacey’s eyes lighting up and giving him a big hug when he first meets him. Honey, if an older guy who isn’t a close family member acts that way around you it isn’t just him being friendly. Good lord.

These people are protected at the highest levels

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[quote] These people are protected at the highest levels

But who was protecting who

Highly recommend everyone read the recent series of articles in the Miami Herald about Epstein and his criminal cronies.

The elite protect one another, R514. Excellent suggestion, R515.

It is impossible that those awarding Spacey a Knighthood had no idea of the rampant rumors. They have people who investigate such things. They simply did not matter, R514. Perhaps it would be different today but perhaps not.

Tipper Gore, Ms. label all the records, visited that island. Does that help make it clearer?

R449 Why are so you adamant that Trump can't be compared with Bill Clinton ? Because Trump has never been accused of rape ?

[quote]r491 20 years ago I worked in movie programming for a large company. While at lunch with a co-worker, she told me that a make-up artist friend told her that "Kevin Spacey liked them young." 20. Fucking. Years. Ago. This was a Weinstein-level cover-up.

And YOU could have saved so many lives!

[quote]r513 Spacey was made a KNIGHT just a few years ago. It is impossible that an investigation would not have suggested issues.

I guess that can be taken away.

Has that ever happened in modern times?

Yes, it could be

They gave him Knighthood? wow, he must have some blackmail material on Prince Charles or some royal family. David Beckham has been dying for a knighthood for years and haven't got it yet. Beckham has done lots of "charity work".

Oh, here we go. I see the The World is Run By Pedo Rings Pizzagate Frau brigade has found the DL.

Spacey, Singer, Allen, Schneider, Ratner - what is the norm and what is the exception?

Jackson, Kelly, Pearlman, Dr. Luke - what is the norm and what is the exception?

Similar lists could be created based on common knowledge in politics, law, academia, sports.

Beckham should look at who does get knighthoods, perhaps. Saville, Spacey, Beckham - which of these is not like the others?

[quote]Saville, Spacey, Beckham - which of these is not like the others?

So Spacey is the same as Jimmy Saville now? The latter raped hundreds, if not thousands, of little kids. And he probably fucked corpses at Stoke Mandeville hospital, too. Spacey has been accused of groping young men against their will. Have a little perspective, love x

Why isn't Spacey being stripped of his Knighthood? I read the list of those who were stripped and Spacey's done far worse.

r525 Because he hasn't been convicted of anything yet and, in the UK, presumption of innocence is the most important pillar of our legal system?

Why was a minor in a bar?

R522 the Outraged Fraus are all over DL. Mostly, if you block a couple of them, the thread empties out pretty quickly. There’s only a handful of the cunty whores.

R413. Who believes in law and order versus puritanical frau hysteria? I guess all Americans other than hysterical, meat curtain flapping frauen.

That’s pretty much everyone who has even a simple, basic believe in the 4th Amendment. Cunt.

R527, the complainant in the Spacey assault case was in the bar because he worked there (IIRC he worked as a busboy).

[quote] Why are so you adamant that Trump can't be compared with Bill Clinton ? Because Trump has never been accused of rape ?

Um, no. Because Bill Clinton has never been CREDIBLY accuse of rape, and Trump not only has been CREDIBLY accused nearly two dozen times, but has openly bragged about it, and worse.

Fuck you, seriously.

He looks demented and sounds delusional and is definitely serving the darkside. Can you imagine that face when he gets angry?

I think the video is fun. The final season of HOC was awful without him. I want him to come back.

[quote] He looks demented and sounds delusional and is definitely serving the darkside. Can you imagine that face when he gets angry?

Yep

R531, Just for the record, Donald Trump has never been accused of rape. Never, as in not ever.

Bill Clinton, on the other hand, has been accused.

Spacey is never coming back,never, sorry uptight gays, sour right wingers and those pretending to be bastions to the letter of the law, he's done. Your number one boogie man. political correctness, has finished him off and all you can do is watch his demise while writhing like slugs in salt. He ruined himself with his own arrogance and you can't save him. Happy holidays.

It was a restaurant, R537. The charging documents and photos of the restaurant are linked upthread.

Arrogance, R536, and well, perviness.

If you were victimized as a kid, get professional help to sort yourself out. Otherwise, some yearning to not feel powerless could lead to some dark places.

That video is one for the books.

Cosby is behind bars. Eventually Spacey, Schneider and Singer will join him.

R530, it was a restaurant.

In due time, R525, in due time.

FFS, the kid was at a restaurant, one where he worked as a busboy.

He was not at a gay bar. It was a restaurant.

The alleged assault happened at a pretentious restaurant for wealthy people in Nantucket.

The kid was not at a gay bar.

He was in a place you might take Grandma for a nice brunch and Spacey stuck his hand down his pants, as he has allegedly done to young men and to male colleagues, for decades.

Pretentious foody restaurant for rich people.

You can pick out the shills who are following the original PR strategy of trying to twist Spacey sexually assaulting men into some behavior shielded by the gay community. Nope, NAMBLA was kicked out repeatedly and Spacey is not welcome either. Block a few and see how many posts they have made. Probably get extra holiday pay, given the pressing PR and legal disaster his life has become.

R538 I left the perviness as a given , it's not worth discussing it with old school gays as they see it as a non issue.

The Club Car has a pianist but it is is a restaurant for an older well to do crowd of predominately straight people, not a gay bar or cruising spot.

The kid in question worked at the restaurant as a busboy. Read the charging docs, linked below. The kid was at the restaurant that night because he was working.

Let Spacey fight this is in court. Obviously, he feels he can beat it and the State feels confident enough to press charges. He's opening a Pandora box of his own making,

I’m still waiting for Andy Murray to weigh in on this.

The kid was staying with his grandmother and was not even in college yet. For Spacey to assault him in a public place and just not care fits with the stories told on DL for many years. The kid had just gone to work at a restaurant. Yeah, he seems a bit naive, but so were most people just out of HS. Spacey was not backing off despite kid talking about his girlfriend, not being interested, etc.

Spacey being persistent - think adult colleagues have said the same? Even other actors, not the little people he thinks he can really bully. And this kid was 18 - Spacey groped the 18 year old son of Richard Dreyfus with his father in the same room! Many people should have (and did!) punch(ed) this guy in the face and him going down has been a long time coming. Let him grope Bubba and see how that goes.

It reminds me a bit of the story Terry Crews tells, of an exec just grabbing his junk in the middle of a party. Spacey is the same. Guess they think they are, and heretofore, have been, untouchable.

Old school gays, ones like Spacey who prefer the dark of a life in the shadows, are getting turned on by your description of Spacey's technique R548. the thought of a teenage boy fending them off while talking about his girlfriend ( frau bitch ) is catnip and the icing is the mother ( bitch/frau/fish/cunt ) weeping over poor junior's violation. These guys for sure have been untouchable since time immemorial, I'm delighted to be here for their comeuppance.

[quote]Spacey is never coming back,never, sorry uptight gays, sour right wingers

Right wingers? You think right wing people are rooting for a lifelong Democrat who's a gay man and who is accused of having sexual relationships with younger men? Mkay.

[quote]The kid in question worked at the restaurant as a busboy. Read the charging docs, linked below. The kid was at the restaurant that night because he was working.

He was drinking and snapchatting. Hardly working.

I do R550, because he personifies the grabby, I want it now and fuck you attitude of the right wing, I hope that's true anyway, it's sad to think left wingers are as rancid, but then years in the closet, social persecution and subsequent self loathing can do terrible things.

Anyway R550 Spacey is finished and you just have to suck it all the way up , go on, suck it up now, and have a nice spoonful of political correctness to go with it x

[quote] Spacey is finished

Sayeth Pat Robertson

r553 I've always found left wingers to be more of the "let's not be reactionary" types, while right wingers tend to be "who cares about presumption of innocence, lock the gay pedos up forever" mentality.

Please rape me Spacey...Sayeth R554

R55 True of Right wingers in life perhaps, but Right wingers on DL are a devious bunch and don't always admit their prejudice in order to further their agenda, they pose as the concerned, worried that the law will be undermined or other societal glue will be weakened...'First they came for the sex pests...'. In any case Spacey is toast.

R557 meant for R555

[quote]they pose as the concerned, worried that the law will be undermined

I'm not so sure, but even if what you say is true, their point is still a solid foundation for concern if presumption of innocence is being circumvented by reactionary types who feel accusations are enough to crucify someone.

It being the internet I have to allow for you being one of the faux concerned R559 However, I am un bothered about 'crucifying' someone like Spacey, he's not someone I'm interested in protecting, but for some reason many here are and from the discussion above will reach in any direction to do so, from gay rights, it's homophobia behind the 'attack' on his character, to 'so what, who doesn't want to fuck young? The love of 'innocence before guilt' is very low on the list, if at all and seems a convenience to their agenda rather than genuine. I'm loathe to even mention it , as it has unleashed the wrath of the right-wing nutters here ( or whatever they are as they are certainly not left ) when I've discussed it before, but I have been in Spacey's company and the way he behaved in a public setting, his very heavy handed, sexually loaded and entitled attitude to the ( young, male ) staff left me in absolutely no doubt as to who he is, I asked a colleague if this was the norm and it was, very much so, hence the 'Spacey-proofing' I mentioned earlier, young guys who would have been the Spacey type were engineered to be out of his orbit to save everybody hassle, add to that many years of stories with similar and worse tone, then add to that the 30 men who claim unwanted advances from him and I am quite comfortable in thinking him a sexual predator whose pestering time is up, crucifixion it ain't.

[quote]It being the internet I have to allow for you being one of the faux concerned [R559]

Fair enough, but the basis for concern is a solid enough position to stand on its own, regardless of the motivation behind it. Otherwise you end up going down odd avenues. If the anti-reactionary argument is assumed to be secretly made by a closet reactionary and your position is to then oppose it, you're adopting the position of a reactionary by default. In truth, right-wingers are relishing the chance to attack a famous gay Democrat. We've already had pictures of Spacey and Clinton posted in this thread with the clear inference that they're both cut from the same cloth (neither has been found guilty of anything).

[quote]However, I am un bothered about 'crucifying' someone like Spacey, he's not someone I'm interested in protecting

But that's precisely the point. The presumption of innocence applies to everyone, not just those we like or have sympathy for. Again, that's a reactionary view.

oops....R122 obviously meant for elsewhere!

I don't presume him innocent R561 The law is flawed, Michael Jackson was found not guilty and I didn't presume him innocent either in fact I'm sure he was guilty, but fame and money bought him out of it as it usually does, the law is an ass. Spacey deserves his ruin , however in the court he will be presumed innocent, will have expensive unpleasant lawyers to take apart the mother/son duo so hated by the whatevers here ( the ones calling the mother a bitch/frau etc etc ) and will very likely go free and not face any further trouble depending on how crushed he leaves his accusers. I wouldn't even bother with a trial, I'd just leave Spacey in his well deserved exile.

[quote]I wouldn't even bother with a trial

But you're clearly not stupid and must realize how dangerous and unethical that view is.

It's just a view R564 don't worry , there is no possibility of it getting into legislation however if I was in charge you could wave your Spacey goodbye. Seriously tho' I have no faith in a system up for sale ( the legal system ) and Spacey will very likely buy his way out of this, so when we are discussing this case I'd rather forcefully state my opinion that sit by politely while the law grinds on in it's gruesome way to yet another miscarriage. Spacey is not a hero to democrats either so I'm totally unconcerned about that being ruined, and even if he was my ethics are strong enough to not let him off the hook simple because he was on my 'team'.

At work? He was doing underage drinking at work? Don't you have to be a certain age to work somewhere that sells liquor?

Spacey may have been tolerated when he was younger but now he is a creepy old man who messed with the wrong Mama. Can you imagine if they actually had sex ? The poor woman would probably be in a catatonic coma or getting a gun .

At my job we had a new upper management boss fired for unwanted advances towards several women. I thought has this guy lived in a cave? Has he not heard the words 'me too' ?

Ellen Barkin is DRAGGING Kevin on her Twatter.

[quote]Gotta love the dataloungers for attacking the victim and his mom, instead of giving the hate to the guy who really deserves it - Spacey

Bitch, we have had threads on Spacey for several years and he has always been reviled her at DL. No one wants to fuck him, he was mocked for being closeted, Diane has been one of our memes for years. This is a GAY SITE. There is going to be discussion by gay men here around the treatment in the media of a GAY MAN and his sexual behaviour. He's not been convicted. We are free to parse and debate the known details as we fucking see fit.

Are half the posters at the DL now wimmin? Two-thirds? Man-bashing bullshit all over this board these days, and no one gets called on t like they should. FUCK YOU women who slither in here to work out your man hate. Fuck you.

[quote]He's a sick man

You know what, R489? Yeah, he may well be. But if his life can be taken from him without any conviction in a court of law for anything he's being accused of, then what we have here is people acting like judge and jury in show trials on Twitter. And you might think that's the cool new way of 'doing' justice, but it could happen to you, or anyone who has an enemy, or a disgruntled colleague or ex who wants to assassinate their character for kicks, and most of us don't have, I'm sure, Spacey's deep pockets for expensive lawyers to fight that kind of thing. So think about it. If a crime has been committed against you, go to the authorities, get a lawyer, take it to court, get it heard, get a conviction. And if you have criticisms of the system, fight that in a reasoned and organised and logical way. Twitter is mob rule by untested gossip and unchecked 'facts'.

Just because someone has an opposing opinion doesn't mean it comes from a woman. Gay men do not think alike...

And those shouting about the industry 'enabling him' - he's not a convicted criminal. He's free to work. Do you people have no understanding of the law, of basic rights? Do you imagine producers could say to him, 'sorry Kev, there's been a few blind items which we suspect are about you. We're gonna have to let you go. '? He then gets to sue the ass off them. All these claims that 'it was well known' - well then, hundreds if not thousands of people, including those who say they are his victims, are culpable, because they did not go to the police.

R535 Trump was accused of raping a 13 year old girl procured for him by Epstein. The complaintant backed off right before the election.

[quote]Beckham should look at who does get knighthoods, perhaps. Saville, Spacey, Beckham - which of these is not like the others?

Beckham sunk millions into a tax avoidance scheme and as a result HMRC which is clamping down on such schemes 'flagged' him on the list of those who were being considered for knighthoods by the Honours Committee. He hasn't been knighted because he dodges taxes. He knows this, as his recently hacked emails to his publicist Simon Oliveira showed: he called the Committee and HMRC 'ungrateful old cunts'.

Fucking conspiracy theorists, talking through their arses all over the internet.

R570 said: If a crime has been committed against you, go to the authorities, get a lawyer, take it to court, get it heard, get a conviction.

Because law enforcement and courts TOTALLY support women and gay men who are victims of violence? You're adorable. Ever heard of Brock Turner? White boy rapes an unconscious woman at frat party and judge gives him 6 months because he doesn't want HIS life to be ruined. Fuck the victim, because she MUST have been asking for it being drunk at a frat party.

What about the women who accused Weinstein? Do you have any idea how difficult it is for someone to not just come forward with their story of assault or abuse, but to actually be taken seriously??? How many women report abuse by their husbands and are denied restraining orders?

Get the fuck out of here. Anybody who blythly says, "Just go to the police" hasn't been paying attention.

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R575 is one of the new breed of 'radical feminist' dataloungers who enjoy coming here to work out their hatred of men and to scream with the angry power of whichever goddess they take inspiration from to help heal their fibro.

You're feeble-minded, Goody Bitch-Face. Vigilante justice is not justice.

Have people forgotten our recent Supreme Court Judge ? Our creep in charge laughed at the victim....

Can someone repost the Spacey video?

Shall we wipe your ass and spoon-feed you some pudding while we are at it, R579?

Space goes to a restaurant for pretentious old people. How fitting.

WELL IN ALL MY LIFE I NEVER !!!

Or Kevin is that you ? I'm a 16 year old farm boy who everyone says I'm hotter than Zac Efron. I would LOVE to be an actor in a movie. IS THERE ANYWAY WE CAN MEET?

Well, this kamikaze PR stunt has at least proved that the gays don't support KS. Now let's see about the general public.

Thus far the online commentariat seem to think KS comes across as crazy and/or creepy in the video.

[quote]Thus far the online commentariat seem to think KS comes across as crazy and/or creepy in the video.

Which he does, and despite his arrogance he has to know that the above would be a strong reaction.

Nonetheless it's his edgy way of coming out fighting, and yes Sending A Message to TPTB in Hollywood. In his mind it's a gambit so much better than skulking in 'dignified silence.'

I can see more such cryptic videos being released, as he seeks to remind us among other things of the great talent he believes us to be missing. In their way they'll be his version of Trump's tweets, and about as convincing.

He was probably tickled pink no one liked last season of HOC...

Can someone repost the video ?

R577 you don't have to be a radical feminist (or a woman) to read and understand statistics. For this to have been going on for two decades means people either didn't believe Spacey's victims or didn't care because they were gay. I'm affiliated with one of those pricey "luxury" gyms in Manhattan and can tell you that gay employees are fired with regulatory, usually because a "straight" white male member has lodged complaints of inappropriate behavior. Yet white male employees who slobber all over female members, crack inappropriate jokes, and otherwise suck at their jobs are kept on staff despite having multiple women complain about them. That prejudice us real and still very prevalent, regardless of the bullshit #metoo movement.

Nevermind I found the video. He's almost begging for his job back. HOC really hasn't been a popular show since the first season...

I mean, even a goddamn member of the Norwegian royal family's come out to say Spacey grabbed his cock under the table! At the Nobel Peace Prize dinner in Oslo 15 years ago, no less. Spacey's definitely gotten himself more than a handful in his day.

Under 30 is definitely his thing, with teens being a special treat.

It's obvious from the posts here that a few gays of a certain age identify with Spacey ,sad as that is, hate 'fish' and support sexual harassment. ..they are erna.

So are we really supposed to believe that after decades of helping himself to whatever young boy ass he could find, he has taken this year off? Somehow, I highly doubt it. He must have gotten some young boy pussy somewhere during these months when he was totally off-the -radar. If I were a reporter on this story, I would go through lists of all the foreign countries Spacey has visited throughout the years and cross-reference that with missing local teenage boys in the area. It’s a stretch but these kind of rich and powerful hebophiles have the means to make inconvenient witnesses and victims disappear. I’m not even kidding here or being hyperbolic.

Remember that series of photos of Spacey with a boy literally straddled over his knee? It looked like Spacey was trying to stick his fingers up the boy’s asshole. They were taken in some Eastern European country.

Some good points, R465, but you also seem to have no idea how people act around celebrities like this -- especially if they want their help. Getting attention from a big Oscar winner can be heady and then the signals can be mixed if they are enjoying it. I seriously doubt Spacey would grab anyone with whom he wasn't even getting along (if he randomly grabs at all, which I still doubt).

I wonder if the movie Gore will see the light of day. I wonder if he got into Douglas Booth's pants. I wonder...

R592

I'd put good money on the " men are under attack because people complain about rape" poster is Spacey himself.

Hi Kev.

You fucking deviant.

Is there an official part 2 to this thread?

R494 = Deplorable. Clinton might be a horndog, but he ain't a pedo you worthless piece of shit. Blocked.

[quote]Spacey is a creep. He frequently invited Ansel Elgort to "hang out" during the production of Baby Driver. Ansel kept his distance.

My cousin works for the company that did the catering for Baby Driver and that is just not true. Ansel did hanged up with Spacey. C'mon, there is no way handsy Kevin didn't brake in twinkish Ansel. You just know the poor boy was taken to the back of a trailer the first day of shooting.

[QUOTE]C'mon, there is no way handsy Kevin didn't brake in twinkish Ansel.

Oh, dear.

New thread

INAPPROPRIATE TOUCHING!

The anti-Clinton deplorable is posting half of the posts here. Block him and 1/3 of the thread goes missing.