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"I live among the neo-Nazis in eastern Germany. And it’s terrifying"

[quote]Media coverage of racist riots in the east German city of Chemnitz earlier this year showed just the tip of the iceberg: what lurks beneath the surface remains hidden.

[quote]I’m a university student and an antifascism activist living in Saxony, not far from Chemnitz. For a long time I underestimated the extent of rightwing extremism in Germany. Before I moved to this area a few years ago I didn’t know Saxony, and took antifascism for granted. I’d never come across “real” Nazis or violent racists.

[quote] I grew up in Berlin, I’m the child of a metropolis where it is normal not to be white or have a German name. My French grandfather fought for the Allied air force – that’s how my father came to Germany. My mother, a German, was born in West Berlin, that western enclave in the middle of the German Democratic Republic, a refuge for “alternative” people, punks and conscientious objectors.

[quote]For a long time I told myself that the east-west divide didn’t concern me. I was born after the Berlin Wall came down. But when I moved to the east, I started thinking more deeply about my western upbringing. I also tried to dispel my prejudices and started thinking more critically about how Germany handled reunification.

[quote]I want to stand up against discrimination everywhere and at any time, but in these small towns that can be hard, and exhausting. You’d think Germany’s history would be enough to ensure that fascism and nationalism are denied even the slightest encouragement. That should matter to everyone, shouldn’t it? Unfortunately that’s not how things are.

[quote]When the far right Pegida movement suddenly appeared, with crowds of up to 20,000 people marching through Dresden chanting Islamophobic and racist slogans, there was an initial sense of shock among the public. But soon enough the media discourse swerved, and there were voices saying we should try to understand those among the protesters who were “of good will”. Pegida held similar rallies in many other cities and they were largely met with a degree of complacency. Then came talk in the press of the “asylum question” as a problem, and the need for a cap on refugee numbers. Pegida was given yet another boost.

[quote]Next came Alternative für Deutschland, a new party in the political landscape, Eurosceptic, xenophobic, nationalist. Panic spread among mainstream parties as they lost voters, and “the asylum issue” became the pivotal issue in the 2017 general election. Asylum law was tightened. As a counter-reaction, some groups organised themselves to demonstrate the “wilkommenskultur” or “welcome culture”. Refugees were greeted in Munich with tea and biscuits. People began to take action against discrimination. And the media loved showing images of Germans reacting to a crisis with love and harmony.

[quote]But what remained largely unnoticed were the attacks on foreigners and asylum hostels. More than 4,000 have occurred since 2015, some involving the use of molotov cocktails, baseball bats, and with armed neo-Nazis even raiding children’s rooms. In 2016, an average of 10 hate crimes each day against migrants was officially registered.

[quote]What does that mean for daily life in the places where these attacks happened? To take the full measure of it, you have to live here. There’s the conversation at the bakery where an old woman complains about the “bad” foreigners, and the woman serving her agrees. There’s the conductor on the tramway who deliberately checks only the tickets of the black passengers. And there are the attacks on leftwing cultural projects or community centres – stones thrown, beatings, the violence you experience when you try to get involved. And there’s the passivity of the so-called civilian population – locals who stand by when a black person is beaten up in the town centre. Racist, fascist normality sets in.

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by Anonymousreply 144December 20, 2018 4:32 AM

[quote]Youth centres and social workers are rare. People who try to act against far-right groups by launching “alternative” projects live dangerously, in daily confrontation with hatred. You struggle to set up a school workshop against extremism, and have to look hard to find people who would even consider this kind of work in rural areas. After all, who wants to live in a Nazi village?

[quote]Those with German passports can choose to stay away from these towns where car tyres get punctured and homes are subjected to arson attacks just because some people don’t like who you are, where you come from, or what your political position is. But not everyone can leave easily. Asylum seekers have a residency obligation if they want to receive benefits or work permits.

[quote]The towns and villages that have a Nazi problem form a seemingly endless list now. It doesn’t stop at Chemnitz or Dresden. Looking at Europe more generally, it’s clear that fascism must be fought at a grassroots level – and that means being there, physically.

[quote]We also have to understand that allowing nationalist slogans to gain currency in the media and politics, allowing large neo-Nazi events to take place unimpeded and failing to prosecute hate crimes all contribute to embolden neo-Nazis. I see parallels with an era we thought was confined to the history books, the dark age before Hitler.

[quote]I prefer not to show my face, or to name the town I live in or the activist group I am part of – because there’s no need to put people at further risk. A few weeks ago a group of us were hitching on the night of yet another racist riot. A group of neo-Nazis spotted us and started calling us “antifascist cunts”. Then they saw our dog, and turned away. It’s the little things, as well as the bigger ones, that make you feel you’re on the frontline of a battle against something large and ominous.

by Anonymousreply 1December 16, 2018 8:13 PM

These are scary times we live in.

All it's going to take is one incident, and we're back at World War II all over again.

However, this time.... we're not coming back from it.

by Anonymousreply 2December 16, 2018 8:17 PM

East Germany never had the educational campaigns and the heavy burden that West Germany had to shoulder for the Holocaust.

Because they were under the Soviets, East Germans never had to learn from their mistakes.

by Anonymousreply 3December 16, 2018 8:19 PM

I very much feel that the media, not just in America but in plenty of other countries as well, did the world a huge disservice by playing down hate crimes, questioning whether they really are hate crimes or not, and presenting pretty much every political bent and philosophy, no matter how repugnant, as something that "civilized people listen to, because everyone deserves respect."

Everyone does deserve respect. Not every opinion deserves respect.

But every outrageous and harmful opinion gets clicks, so the media is happy to report on it.

by Anonymousreply 4December 16, 2018 8:21 PM

Go back to arguing with this guy, OP

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by Anonymousreply 5December 16, 2018 8:36 PM

Thank you, OP and R4, for this article.

by Anonymousreply 6December 16, 2018 8:37 PM

R5 is on ignore, so I don't know about that.

by Anonymousreply 7December 16, 2018 8:38 PM

No problem R6. Bitte.

by Anonymousreply 8December 16, 2018 8:39 PM

Yes R7, R5 is blocked out for me as well.

by Anonymousreply 9December 16, 2018 8:40 PM

Whoever thanked r6 was neither the OP nor R4, it was the guy trolling at r5. Not sure what he's up to.

by Anonymousreply 10December 16, 2018 8:41 PM

r8, you *are* r5

by Anonymousreply 11December 16, 2018 8:42 PM

[quote]R5 is blocked out for me as well.

You ARE r5.

by Anonymousreply 12December 16, 2018 8:42 PM

R10, fell right into that trap 😂

by Anonymousreply 13December 16, 2018 8:42 PM

Meant to say r9 is r5

Sorry r8!

by Anonymousreply 14December 16, 2018 8:43 PM

I read a fascinating theory years ago that Nazism and ww2 was largely pushed and propagated by the war like east Germans and the west Germans were kind of sucked into it. Not that the west Germans were completely innocent either, but that they were not as enthusiastic as the East Germans. From my understanding west Germany tended to be more liberal. I'm not quite sure if I endorse that view, but it is something I have heard before.

by Anonymousreply 15December 16, 2018 8:43 PM

I can't breathe R12! Danke 😂

by Anonymousreply 16December 16, 2018 8:44 PM

Just found out this year that neo-Nazis in Germany get around the national ban on swastikas by displaying the Confederate stars and bars.

I guess they know who their colleagues are.

by Anonymousreply 17December 16, 2018 8:45 PM

Not that Neo-Nazis need a reason to be hateful, but you just know that Putin is behind the scenes, stoking the flames of racial hatred, just as he does in the United States, with the Deplorables.

Putin is an evil fucker.

by Anonymousreply 18December 16, 2018 8:47 PM

We smoked some crack, had a snack you were black.....

😅

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by Anonymousreply 19December 16, 2018 8:48 PM

Funny you should mention that, R18. AfD (the racist far-right German party) is in deep shit because most of their funding can't be traced.

by Anonymousreply 20December 16, 2018 8:49 PM

Can we discuss this actual racist?

“Since the dawn of history the negro has owned the continent of Africa–rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.

A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.

In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.

With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.

He lived as his fathers lived–stole his food, worked his wife, sold his children, ate his brother, content to drink, sing, dance, and sport as the ape”.

–Thomas F. Dixon Jr

by Anonymousreply 21December 16, 2018 9:30 PM

But only American whites are racist!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 22December 16, 2018 9:36 PM

Blame Merkel & her open door migration policies for the rise of Grrmanys far right.

by Anonymousreply 23December 16, 2018 9:37 PM

[quote] Since the dawn of history the negro has owned the continent of Africa–rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.

[quote] A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.

[quote] In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.

[quote] With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail

Ha. Well imagine that?

And to think, today, people around the world call that SUSTAINABILITY.

I'd say that Africans were well ahead of their time.

by Anonymousreply 24December 16, 2018 9:38 PM

[quote] Blame Merkel & her open door migration policies for the rise of Grrmanys far right.

Oh, is that the reason for all the Neo Nazis in the US now, too?

by Anonymousreply 25December 16, 2018 9:42 PM

[quote] I read a fascinating theory years ago that Nazism and ww2 was largely pushed and propagated by the war like east Germans and the west Germans were kind of sucked into it. Not that the west Germans were completely innocent either, but that they were not as enthusiastic as the East Germans. From my understanding west Germany tended to be more liberal. I'm not quite sure if I endorse that view, but it is something I have heard before.

It's not even a theory; it's fact. Hitler was voted in, and his strongest voting support came from the militaristic East Germany.

by Anonymousreply 26December 16, 2018 9:51 PM

I can’t see R5 either.

by Anonymousreply 27December 16, 2018 9:56 PM

Of course but this old colored shut in only likes to rewrite history and blame white people for everything. Thinks by focusing on evil white people that somehow she's gonna raise the status of "brown people". Black men will now only pine for black women. If they don't, we're gonna focus on blaming women of every other race on the planet. No, don't focus on black traitors when you can focus on blaming the rest of the world.

Go 'head. Knock yourself out. Screech until you turn blue. Stand on your head. Vilify every member of the caucasian race. It's still not going to make a dent or hold them back. Not going to change anything. Just accept facts and move on. Asians gonna asian. Whites gonna white. Feel for you. Understand how hard it is to accept but going this route is doing you no favors. This tactic will only breed resentment. We're all responsible for ourselves. That's all we can do. No more, no less.

by Anonymousreply 28December 16, 2018 9:57 PM

R23 Bullshit.

The poor widdle Neo-Nazis weren’t forced to be Neo-Nazis because of Muslims.

by Anonymousreply 29December 16, 2018 10:04 PM

Merkel didn't do the humanitarian thing and host refugees for years. She welcome a couple million ill-suited immigrants who mostly don't have the skills to do well in the German economy, and who are mostly not welcome.

I wonder what the secret reason is - what the secret great need is, to let 1.6 million in like that.

by Anonymousreply 30December 16, 2018 10:30 PM

LOL @ R28. Gasping for air.

by Anonymousreply 31December 16, 2018 10:30 PM

Yup, R5 is on block.

by Anonymousreply 32December 16, 2018 10:35 PM

R30, cheap labor. Mexicans on the guest worker program were bulletproof with their work ethic. Never offered citizenship. GUEST WORKER. Look it up.

by Anonymousreply 33December 16, 2018 10:36 PM

Eastern Germany never went through acknowledgement of the Nazi era like West Germany did. Education about the atrocities that happened under Hitler were mandatory in all western state schools.

by Anonymousreply 34December 16, 2018 10:42 PM

Well these 1.6 are not in Germany as guest workers, are they? Earlier, the Turks became citizens. It Merkel felt Germany need 2 million more cheap laborers, why didn't she ship them in from christian South America or Christian sub-saharan Africa.

by Anonymousreply 35December 16, 2018 10:47 PM

This is for the ages. Biggest miscalculation in history. 😂

Being American, hell, any North American could have given a heads up here. In the 90s Germany was crawling with Mexican guest workers. Citizenship was off of the table. Six months to a year or so Mexicans had to skedaddle to Spain/Portugal a/time was up and then reapply. Germany was hell bent on making sure they could never get benefits and have a shot at becoming citizens. You see where this is going?

by Anonymousreply 36December 16, 2018 10:48 PM

Aha R35! This is where it gets so epic. Ready?

by Anonymousreply 37December 16, 2018 10:49 PM

Are these young people or genxers?

by Anonymousreply 38December 16, 2018 10:52 PM

Because like you just did, R35, they miscalculated anthropological origins.

by Anonymousreply 39December 16, 2018 10:55 PM

A big part of that is also, that East Germany is still catching up with its Western counterpart economically. People there thought that, once the wall came down, things would magically be great, salaries would be comparable to the ones in Frankfurt or Munich. Then the reality set in, which resulted in the popularity of the far right, populist parties. That had nothing to do with immigration. Even the cities like Leipzig and Dresden are far less multicultural than those in West Germany.

by Anonymousreply 40December 16, 2018 10:58 PM

No R40, further East and it is landlocked peasants.

by Anonymousreply 41December 16, 2018 11:00 PM

More will turn to the far right as Muslims are raping and murdering their people

by Anonymousreply 42December 16, 2018 11:04 PM

Here's how they miscalculated. They only saw skin shade. They thought they could just switch out brown people like sugar and saccharine.

A desert dwelling ME is quite a different breed than a Mexican. A mexican is a different breed than a south or north american native indian even. That's where they fucked up.😂

by Anonymousreply 43December 16, 2018 11:06 PM

I'm surprised our alt-right trolls, quite active on this thread, are not linking to "Voice of Europe" or some other fake news propaganda site. They are getting rather lazy as of late.

by Anonymousreply 44December 16, 2018 11:09 PM

First off, a Mexican is an ardent Christian. Catholic like in parts of Germany. The Mexican laughs at the cold. Built for the cold, in fact. Not Africans or South Americans though.

There's only one breed of human who is hardest working at survival than a Mexican. Who would that be?

by Anonymousreply 45December 16, 2018 11:11 PM

[quote] I wonder what the secret reason is - what the secret great need is, to let 1.6 million in like that.

This is a mischaracterization of what happened.

No one was more shocked than the Germans that all these people showed up. They had announced that they would welcome Syrian refugees from war. Being German and addicted to rules--they assumed that the rest of the world follows rules just like they do.

They had no idea what hit them--and then, what to do about it in a way that wouldn't look "Nazi-ish"--ie guns blazing on the border. (And the border of WHERE? Because all these people were coming through Greece.)

They waited too long to come up with a plan--ie paying off Turkey and North African countries to stop these people from going through. The smart thing would have been to do that first before rolling out the carpet. But they didn't know.

by Anonymousreply 46December 16, 2018 11:28 PM

Europe should diversify their immigrants. Definitely less Muslims, because lots of them never integrate. Some Asians integrate quite well, esp after one generation. South Americans would bring a new aspect to Europe, the food, the music, their love for vibrant colors. Europe needs a vetting system and keep safety measures in place to kick out migrants when they become trouble makers or refuse to integrate. Citizenship only for people who make an effort to become a productive part of society, learn the language, get a job, stay out of trouble.

by Anonymousreply 47December 16, 2018 11:38 PM

R31: But he doesn't get to go yet. When his belief system is destroyed, his far-right parties all in ashes. Then, then R28 has our permission to die.

by Anonymousreply 48December 16, 2018 11:39 PM

R46, I agree. But, they were looking for cheap indentured servants. The leaders duped their own people who were more than willing to help. 2 birds. Erase the stain of the past AND get some niggers.

by Anonymousreply 49December 16, 2018 11:39 PM

You mean well R47 but you're clueless. I mean that in a loving way.

by Anonymousreply 50December 16, 2018 11:41 PM

About what am I clueless?

by Anonymousreply 51December 16, 2018 11:42 PM

R47, North Americans don't want South Americans! Americans can't even pull off German standards. South Americans are gonna do that?

Have you been to Germany? Be honest

by Anonymousreply 52December 16, 2018 11:44 PM

In related news, I already had most of DL's boot-licking Nazi trolls on block.

Apparently I missed a few though.

by Anonymousreply 53December 16, 2018 11:46 PM

Why doesn't the German Government go in and wipe them out? I really do not understand why they do not have a very busy gallows...I just don't get it. If the government won't do it, there should be some socialist who have a backbone.

by Anonymousreply 54December 16, 2018 11:47 PM

I am very serious, we already know what Nazis are all about.

by Anonymousreply 55December 16, 2018 11:48 PM

R47, asians don't need europe. They have Japan at the epicenter. Don't forget how those Japanese rallied after we flattened them. Nobody handed it to them. They did that. They're a different breed of asian than some landlocked peasant in the Chinese country side, right? Japan is a wonder.

by Anonymousreply 56December 16, 2018 11:51 PM

Back to R45 point. Gotta say, that iceblock skylight is divine. Really opens up the place.

Have you met Nooki?

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by Anonymousreply 57December 16, 2018 11:58 PM

Yes, the slacks are in fact polar bear skins.

by Anonymousreply 58December 16, 2018 11:59 PM

If this precious freedom fighter wants to “fight against discrimination anywhere”, why did the German liberals keep their mouths shut when over 1000 women were assaulted on NYE 2015 by Northern African immigrants?

by Anonymousreply 59December 17, 2018 12:00 AM

R47😂 says:

Europe needs a vetting system and keep safety measures in place to kick out migrants when they become trouble makers or refuse to integrate. Citizenship only for people who make an effort to become a productive part of society, learn the language, get a job, stay out of trouble."

You mean like Central Americans cutting in line for US citizenship? 😂

by Anonymousreply 60December 17, 2018 12:04 AM

I'm going straight to Hell for saying this, but if you take the hateful racist rhetoric away from r21, it does make for an interesting if extremely uncomfortable conversation. Why exactly did Sub-Saharan Africa fail so miserably at the civilization game? The histories of Europe, Asia, and the Americas are well documented back thousands of years. Yet before contact with Europeans and Muslims, relatively little is known about Sub-Saharan Africa's history because there was no written language of any kind. And so on...

by Anonymousreply 61December 17, 2018 12:07 AM

[quote][R47], North Americans don't want South Americans! Americans can't even pull off German standards. South Americans are gonna do that?

[quote]Have you been to Germany? Be honest

Very few countries can pull of German standards. But it seems Merkel and Co have their minds set on migration, mainly for economic reasons and also to wash off the stink from the Nazi past.

I am German BTW, very well familiar with the problems with Muslims. From the beginning I always said Merkel's open border policy would backfire.

by Anonymousreply 62December 17, 2018 12:08 AM

R59 because the leaders didn't want to admit they fucked up.. Off of their citizens' backs. The sell out had to be hushed

by Anonymousreply 63December 17, 2018 12:09 AM

*can pull off

by Anonymousreply 64December 17, 2018 12:12 AM

Europe in general, and Germany in particular, seems unable to find any real balance. It zig-zags between fascism/hard right, and open borders/hard left. Whatever you think of the AfD, I can't see how anybody in their right thought allowing a million refugees from a violent, war-torn, and religiously incompatible culture was a good idea. Merkel is a preacher's kid with a massive chip on her shoulder over Nazism, and she allowed that to utterly cloud her judgement. And quite frankly, as bad as it is now, what happens when the second generation, born in Germany but without German values, comes of age? Look at France (and imagine it a whole hell of a lot worse) and you'll have your answer.

by Anonymousreply 65December 17, 2018 12:12 AM

R61 then go have that conversation with Jordan Peterson then.

by Anonymousreply 66December 17, 2018 12:13 AM

R61, because the Africans didn't have a pressing need as the climate was pretty steady. Why would they? Why would anyone? Natural adaption and it's fine.

by Anonymousreply 67December 17, 2018 12:13 AM

Importing millions of people who do not share the same cultural values has been a disaster for Europe, and Germany in particular. The backlash will be equally disastrous.

by Anonymousreply 68December 17, 2018 12:14 AM

R63: not taking about the leaders but people at OP’s link. So concerned about racism, German right wing extremists but NOT A WORD about the fact that over ONE THOUSAND women were assaulted in the span of a few hours in 2015.

Also, let’s talk numbers: more foreigners murdered Germans than the other way round.

by Anonymousreply 69December 17, 2018 12:14 AM

A lot of Americans here on DL seem to think that the German values and the French values they speak of are the same as American liberal values.

They are not.

by Anonymousreply 70December 17, 2018 12:15 AM

Of course not, r70, but they're certainly not fundamentalist Muslim values either. You really think the Frenchies prefer Burkinis over boobies at the beach?

by Anonymousreply 71December 17, 2018 12:18 AM

Merkel let herself be sweet talked into this by Obama, who said she would be on the right side of history.

Obama maybe should have been tougher with Putin and his puppet Assad. They caused the whole migrant crisis, probably also with the motive to destabilize Europe in mind. 3D chess games Obama couldn't match.

by Anonymousreply 72December 17, 2018 12:19 AM

Scooted to the bottom of comments to say I feel certain center Nazi with side part will be the one everyone wants to fuck. Okay, going back to the top to read down. Toodles!

by Anonymousreply 73December 17, 2018 12:21 AM

[quote]It Merkel felt Germany need 2 million more cheap laborers, why didn't she ship them in from christian South America or Christian sub-saharan Africa.

You seem quite fixated on the "Christian" part, Oleg. I wonder why.

by Anonymousreply 74December 17, 2018 12:21 AM

R70, you're lost.

Let's get this out of the way. Let's look to R21 klansman and R61's wonderment.

Different races, phenotypes under a common classification are as diverse as a German Shepard and a Siberian Husky. Both wolfish working breeds but worlds apart in temperament, fur texture, etc.

The Human animal is no different. Can we all agree here before we visit Africa for a tour?

by Anonymousreply 75December 17, 2018 12:21 AM

R54

You just said what every national Socialist thinks.

by Anonymousreply 76December 17, 2018 12:25 AM

R59 is simply a lying White Supremacist...just a racist pig who should be dead, if I had my way. Apparently there needs to be another war against Nazis...something waged by governments all over the world.

by Anonymousreply 77December 17, 2018 12:30 AM

R76, nobody thinks that! The world would rain down if people were outright slaughtered. Let's forget that and stick to the point here.

The shark evolved in prehistoric times and has stayed the same for eons. To this day. Why? Because it is perfectly adapted to its environment and DOESN'T NEED TO!

by Anonymousreply 78December 17, 2018 12:31 AM

Frau Merkel lud diese katastrophe mit offenen armen ein.

by Anonymousreply 79December 17, 2018 12:31 AM

Business as usual at DL: "Stormfrunt (sic) for the LGBT set!"

by Anonymousreply 80December 17, 2018 12:35 AM

As the earth gets physically smaller (for humans/animals) through global warming and potable water scarce, hell will be unleashed.

WWII will look like child’s play.

by Anonymousreply 81December 17, 2018 12:35 AM

R78

Socialism requires a common set of values for minimal functionality. A socialist system with extremely disparate value systems and time preferences is a disaster.

Small socialist communes with a few hundred members might be viable. Anything beyond a small group becomes totalitarian.

by Anonymousreply 82December 17, 2018 12:36 AM

R80 isn't aware of the love of Muslims for Hitler.

by Anonymousreply 83December 17, 2018 12:43 AM

We're in sub saharan Africa. The rain season is coming. Gotta prepare. To prepare all we need is a roof over our head and a raised bottom to keep dry. That's fucking it! That can be achieved in a day. A little rain is not going to stop us from hunting and gathering. We're not going to starve. We won't need to force animals to till our land. Our environment offers us everything all year long. No chopping and storing wood to make it through a brutal winter. No need to build a boat and seek more hospital land. There's no need for any of that crap. No need to build a shelter to make it through a blizzard. Why would anyone do that unless they were forced to? The climate, environment has your back 365. No animal and certainly no human is going to knock themselves out when there's no need to fight for survival.

The end

by Anonymousreply 84December 17, 2018 12:46 AM

R84 just described what centuries of research are finally admitting.

Harsh conditions create cognitive barriers. The smartest thrive, whereas in abundant circumstances anyone can survive.

by Anonymousreply 85December 17, 2018 12:52 AM

“is simply a lying White Supremacist.”

Where us the lie in saying that over 1000 women were assaulted br Northern African immigrants on NYE 2015 in Germany, you utter whackjob?

by Anonymousreply 86December 17, 2018 12:55 AM

Like the shark, the sub saharan African is perfectly adapted to the environment. Sunscreen. Check. Body built for running while hunting. Check. Nostrils that allow the air to cool before entering lungs. Check. Hair texture that allows heat to dissipate and keep us cool. Check. I can do this all night people.

I'll get to those built for the cold mexicans as soon as we realize why Africans had no need to go tripping all over themselves like frantic jerks to survive.

Are we good on this people?

by Anonymousreply 87December 17, 2018 12:56 AM

Exactly R85. They didn't invent the wheel! No sleds! No carts!

If I'm African all I need to do is point up a stick and use my perfectly adaptable self that can out run an animal and I'm good to go.

Not gonna be tying up reins to a big animal when I can go walk up to the beach and pick fruit from the bushes on the shore that is available in every season. I'm just not. I don't need to!

by Anonymousreply 88December 17, 2018 1:04 AM

And the Native Americans didn't have a need for that farming debacle either. Just follow the season. Migrate between a summer and winter camp. Move it along everyone.

by Anonymousreply 89December 17, 2018 1:08 AM

R61 is forgetting about Wakanda. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 90December 17, 2018 1:15 AM

R82 but Canada is pulling it off, aren't they? You know how? Why?

Environment and hearty human stock. The blizzardly freezer of a land gets people to cooperate. It's immediate crisis survival in the winter. Don't cooperate and you're gonna die.

It's all environment and when people get that through their thick human skulls once and for all, once that realization hits the human race as a whole...we'll relax and be understanding. As equals. No charity. Level field. It'll be great but then knowing humans we'll find something else to obsess on. You know it.😅

by Anonymousreply 91December 17, 2018 1:31 AM

In the ‘70s and ‘80s, West Germany had a much more serious problem with neo nazis than it allowed the media to print. There were thousands of members in underground cells called “freie kameradenschaefte”, many who had penetrated the police, government intelligence, judiciary, and the military. Many had initially been radicalized by the “Turner Diaries” - right wing, neo nazi fiction from the United States which was effective as a recruiting tool through the UK’s neo nazis.

The West Germans were subjected to years of denazification techniques, documented in “Die Fragebogen” (The Questionaire). While the Allies considered it a success, there is no concrete evidence that it sucessfully eliminated fascist sympathies or belliefs.

by Anonymousreply 92December 17, 2018 1:37 AM

R92, you're a few pages ahead. Let's focus on our adaptions, available breeding stock and environment first so we can put this to bed on the DL.

What makes a breed? What makes a race? A subrace?

by Anonymousreply 93December 17, 2018 1:43 AM

I'm gonna cut it in here and get to the point because I'm getting prepared for the week ahead. I'll stop by periodically and drop some lines but first I need the attention of every racist bitch on here.

This for you Racist Black Preoccupation OP and your silly ignorance and the racist whores of every stripe near and far.

We're gonna put this blaming and shaming to bed. Followed by a Q & A session.

Is everyone up for this? African tour above is prerequisite. Take that in and come back here in 5

Thank You

by Anonymousreply 94December 17, 2018 2:06 AM

Later, I'm gonna read the Germans out bare

by Anonymousreply 95December 17, 2018 2:08 AM

No country is better than exporting facist regimes than us!

by Anonymousreply 96December 17, 2018 3:16 AM

You do realize that these idiots are still angry at Jews, right? They’ve been polling Germans over the last ten years and they still blame Jews for their problems. It ain’t Muslims.

by Anonymousreply 97December 17, 2018 3:44 AM

What the hell would Africans use for cart animals? Zebra? Wildebeests? Lions? African elephant? Maybe a team of gorillas? Seriously the continent may be rich in a lot but domesticated animals isn't one of them.

by Anonymousreply 98December 17, 2018 3:45 AM

“They’ve been polling Germans over the last ten years and they still blame Jews for their problems. ”

Any links you can provide because I don’t think that is true.

by Anonymousreply 99December 17, 2018 3:49 AM

It's not natural for blacks to be living in western societies. Especially nordic based ones. It's not natural for nomadic desert dwellers to be living in western societies. It's not natural for indians of the Americas to be dwelling in western societies. Not natural for Inuits to be living in sub saharan africa. Not natural for africans to live in siberia.

You can't plop down an animal or a human in a land in which it had no chance to adapt without there being major issues. Imperative we take our differences formed by environment for eons into consideration. If blinded to these natural aspects, the human temperament is prone to find evil intentions by those who are different.

Try having a malamute in the dog days of summer in Alabama without AC, why don't ya? Then surrender your pet to the pound because he got snappy.

We can go on with examples but please do not fall into the trap of seeing racist malignant people of another stripe as you walk this earth. A bitter existence for yourself and for everyone.

I'm especially concerned about black people here. Feel like you're never gonna win. Feel like other races intentionally have it out for you. Especially those vicious whites. Truth is you're in an unnatural foreign environment. People from cold climates in Europe, Canada or Asia are a different breed. European/Scandinavians had to claw their way into survival. Forget the climate alone and factor in those plagues. You weren't on your game to make it through a brutal, unforgiving winter, you died out. White people descend from those hustlers. Innovative because they were forced to be. If you weren't, you died. The survivors that were left are their ancestors. That drive is built into them. It's innate.

So no, it's not you. It's not even them. You're not crazy and you're not inferior. Don't go beating yourself up over it. Don't get down on yourself for socioeconomic standing. When they say Africa, the cradle of human civilization..it literally is a cradle. Mother Nature's protective cradle where one literally lives off the land and all needs are provided pretty much year round. Fighting to survive in a freezer? Well, you just don't have it in you. And you shouldn't

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by Anonymousreply 100December 17, 2018 3:53 AM

Plenty of societies use elephants for labor, r98. Hannibal almost conquered Rome with them. Incidentally, I don't think that the "Africans had no need to innovate so they didn't" argument would go over to well with the Afrocentrists or the SJW crowd because it feeds the "lazy" stereotype. Actually, a better argument is that Africa's forbidding geography (powerful rivers, high mountains, large deserts and harsh jungles) gave the continent too MUCH protection from conquerors (at least until the slave ships came), but also kept the free exchange of ideas to a minimum.

Compare to Eurasia, which is basically wide open from Siberia to the Atlantic, with the only barrier being the relatively tiny Urals. Plus, Europe has some of the richest farmland on the planet which made almost constant warfare a certainty, forcing people to learn to fight and to innovate, or to die.

by Anonymousreply 101December 17, 2018 4:05 AM

Remember those lions in Africa who had their own show on Discovery because of their unique adaptability? Lions hustling in the WATER to survive😂. SWAMP CATS

splish splash he's a taking a bath!

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by Anonymousreply 102December 17, 2018 4:09 AM

R97 As a jew who lived in Germany, I’ll call bullshit. At best, that’s AfD shitspewing.

Germany and Germans have had excellent relations with Israel for a very long time. They’ve done more than most (which isn’t saying much) to return looted goods to the families of the holocaust survivors. The Swiss are fucking assholes and have used their banking privacy laws to shield nazi crimes and who has all the looted art, money - everything since 1948.

Depending on where you are in Germany, it may not be a good time to be a minority: Hamburg, the eastern cities of Chemnitz and Frankfurt an der Oder and perhaps Leipzig have boiled over a bit. Bavaria is much more conservative. Sachsen and Sachsen-Anhalten may have had enough and start demanding explicit time table for the departure of the asylum seekers.

Hungary l’s Fidesz Party’s full out eruption into neo-fascism is helping the German government with a distracting EU & NATO crisis.

by Anonymousreply 103December 17, 2018 4:15 AM

No. Uh uh R101. I'm not gonna play that. If the liberal SJWs have a problem with that, fuck 'em!

They want to be defensive about evolution and environment and call it lazy? Knock themselves out. Who are we to question Mother Nature? Are we making excuses for Native American nomadic existence in their indigenous land? Fuck that.

by Anonymousreply 104December 17, 2018 4:19 AM

[quote] The Swiss are fucking assholes and have used their banking privacy laws to shield nazi crimes and who has all the looted art, money - everything since 1948.

The Swiss are not the only ones still collaborating with Hitler and Nazis. The US, Austria and much of Eastern Europe still refuse to return Jewish property stolen by Nazis and their collaborators.

by Anonymousreply 105December 17, 2018 4:22 AM

Question R101. Switch it out then. Are we going to make excuses for police k9s not making the sled team in the Iditarod? How about excusing Huskies and Corgies for not making the grade as new recruits in seeing eye dog academy? We'll label those Huskies as "too spirited" so as not to hurt some libtard pet owner's feelings. Silly shit.

by Anonymousreply 106December 17, 2018 4:31 AM

The DL posters screaming Muslims are invading Europe!!!! Should feel right at home with the rising world wide Neo Nazi movement.

by Anonymousreply 107December 17, 2018 4:34 AM

Ummm.... you do realize that human beings and dogs are two different things, right?

by Anonymousreply 108December 17, 2018 4:34 AM

[quote] gave the continent too MUCH protection from conquerors (at least until the slave ships came)

Muslims have been slavers in Africa since the 10th century. To say nothing of the Africans themselves.

by Anonymousreply 109December 17, 2018 4:37 AM

You know why lions form prides and don't live a solitary existence like other cats? Not only are they lazy but they're notoriously codependent. Empaths. Not a narcissistic bone in their bodies unlike those other big cats 😅

by Anonymousreply 110December 17, 2018 4:38 AM

Why don't we saddle up zebras? Careful what you say now.

by Anonymousreply 111December 17, 2018 4:39 AM

Thanks R109. So I didn't have to say it then.

by Anonymousreply 112December 17, 2018 4:40 AM

Get in bed R108! You have school tomorrow and you can't miss the bus again.

by Anonymousreply 113December 17, 2018 4:44 AM

Almost forgot. We'll expand another time but Mexicans hail from Inuits. Eskimos are of the mongolian race, separate from native indians. Different migration, the whole 9 yards. Gummikopf, dunderheaded aspie leaning Germans

by Anonymousreply 114December 17, 2018 4:52 AM

R100, a lot of black people shaped American culture as it is today. Without black music there wouldn't have been pop music, no civil rights movement, no rebellious youth culture. People like Aretha Franklin, black athletes like Jesse Owens are proof your ideas of race are completely wrong.

by Anonymousreply 115December 17, 2018 6:00 AM

Thank you, r115. You nailed it. Obama helped to shaped this culture as well, as evidenced by the current backlash.

by Anonymousreply 116December 17, 2018 6:17 AM

Black Americans are not 100% African. Most have European ancestry as well--approx 25% on average,

by Anonymousreply 117December 17, 2018 7:29 AM

R100, you're such a fucking idiot. Like people from Europe are better suited to the climate of most of the U.S. than people descended from Africans? Go take a look at a map--by your reckoning, people descended from northern Europeans have no business being anywhere near large chunks of the United States.

And there were, indeed, African civilizations--Ancient Egypt springs to mind, but also the Mali Empire in the late Middle Ages.

And, no, we're not like dog breeds.

by Anonymousreply 118December 17, 2018 8:16 AM

R101--no geographic barriers in Eurasia other than the Urals? Are you serious? Try the Gobi Desert and the Himalayas for start. Throw in the extreme weather variations and no easy way to get from Europe to the Indian Ocean by water. There's a reason that contact between Asia and Europe was extremely limited for thousands of years.

The map-reading skills in this thread are severely lacking to say the least.

by Anonymousreply 119December 17, 2018 8:25 AM

By current estimates climate change will create 200 million refugees within 20 years.

The refugee crisis won't be going away anytime soon, which means we'll be dealing with these "White Christian Civilization" dipshits for quite some time.

by Anonymousreply 120December 17, 2018 12:42 PM

If climate change is creating so many refugees, maybe people should stop having 7 children they cannot feed, clothe or educate?

by Anonymousreply 121December 17, 2018 12:54 PM

r119, Sweetheart maybe you should re-read what i said. From SIBERIA to the ATLANTIC. I never mentioned the Indian subcontinent because the Himalayas protect it. And the Gobi Desert certainly didn't stop the Mongols from sweeping all the way to Central Europe. Europe is WIDE OPEN to the East, as we see from the Huns, the Turks, the Mongols, not to mention the Slavic migrations, and the original Indo-European migrations. As far as communication, you may want to check out the Silk Road which went by land and by sea. And in more recent times it worked in reverse as the Russians conquered Central Asia and Siberia and quarreled over Manchuria with the Japanese.

by Anonymousreply 122December 17, 2018 2:04 PM

Everything cool about American culture came from black people. They invent it, white people take it.

by Anonymousreply 123December 17, 2018 2:11 PM

Only R117 gets it. The rest to be ignored as they are missing the point. Winter and summer olympics might hold a clue.

We're not talking culture here. We're not talking white people in alabama vs. whites in Vermont but it all fits like a glove.

It's about telling your buddy from Cameroon to "pinch your nose, hon" when we get caught by frigid temps in Quebec City. It's about people suffering during a heat wave in same city. Fatalities occur. Why? A great deal of the population is mixed in with Inuit and 1st nations going back to at least the 1700s. It's a danger because those people lack sweat glands needed to regulate body temperature. Mr. Cameroon's nose isn't going to warm the air before it hits his lungs. That's dangerous. A maine coon cat stands a better chance of survival in bone chilling outdoors than a SHD in Montreal.

This isn't about culture. It's anthropology and adaptability. Best you get on this page right quick.

by Anonymousreply 124December 17, 2018 8:04 PM

No R115. That's what makes the US better than the rest of the world. Our population is mixed in, giving us that otherworldly standard of beauty. A mix of the best traits.

And R115, you just backed and signed my argument with this: "Jesse Owens are proof your ideas of race are completely wrong."

Owens nails it down. Would a white guy or a mexican indian be capable of Jesse Owens feats? Hell no. What about Mr.Bolt?

Understanding and using our inborn traits to our advantage is going to get us places.

Give it a quick peruse at the link to bring us all up to speed here.

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by Anonymousreply 125December 17, 2018 8:31 PM

R120 you are using facts and knowledge to explain social unrest and political upheaval. That's a no no. ;)

by Anonymousreply 126December 17, 2018 8:40 PM

R98

Not to quibble, but aurochs were only domesticated a few thousand years ago. Same with dogs.

All domestication seemed to happen outside.

Domestication of zebra would only take a hundred years or so. Russia domesticated foxes!

by Anonymousreply 127December 18, 2018 1:56 AM

R123 Except for the stuff we took from First Peoples. Gumbo (Kumbo), for example.

by Anonymousreply 128December 18, 2018 2:39 AM

R98 oxen, donkeys and horses have been used in sub Saharan Africa for millennia. The Namib Desert horse is an example. The northern part of Africa commonly used water buffalo and camels in addition to those already listed. Zebra have been used, also elephants. They have been using domestic animals for a long, long time.

by Anonymousreply 129December 18, 2018 4:21 AM

It's far easier to say climate change because saying overpopulation is politically and socially forbidden.

by Anonymousreply 130December 18, 2018 4:33 AM

The only answer to climate change is to adapt and innovate like Europeans did for thousands of years.

by Anonymousreply 131December 18, 2018 4:58 AM

The ONLY answer to climate change is to STOP BREEDING!

by Anonymousreply 132December 18, 2018 5:00 AM

R127, don't listen to these people attempting to rewrite history here. There were no great empires in sub saharan africa. Why would there be? Any animal including a single cell follows the laws of environment and breeding. Including humans, dogs, cats. You'd have to have your head up your ass to not logically deduct this fact.

Anyway, here's why theory as to why the germans are such strange birds. My commentary broke in early but you'll recognize me.

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by Anonymousreply 133December 18, 2018 6:05 AM

The answer to global warming is green energy. Are people on this thread so scientifically challenged y'all don't understand why the earths climate is warming and what it really means?

by Anonymousreply 134December 18, 2018 6:26 AM

R129, if you mean a long time being the early 1700s then okay. You're not linking to facts. You're talking out your ass. At least you're not a full on retard like R130, 131 and 132.

If dopeys want to deny facts and not emphasize and understand various traits and likeness, just let them. Afterall, they weren't burning the midnight oil cranking out term papers in their senior year like some of us. They have no pride running their mouths pulling shit outta their asses. They didn't write term papers with a bibliography sheet listing their sources. A paper graded by a professor with a doctorate. Dire attempt if that prof didn't care for you. You had to pass because your parents were up your ass. They were paying hundreds of thousands for their kids to not end up like so many commenting on this thread and forum. Contrarion naysayer know it alls. Always get owned. Not open to learning. Not used to a teacher teaching past high school. If I don't know, I ask and listen. College level programs that into you. That's why it is so easy for us to discern the educated from the ignorant. That's why it cost a pretty penny to attend university. These dopes always wonder why it costs so much. What's the big deal? they think. The big deal is nobody wants to go around or be around an uneducated mule. Get it now?

by Anonymousreply 135December 18, 2018 6:34 AM

Because this an anonymous board without an account and presence you'll find a good number of dopey dopes repeating arguments with those who have knowledge. Over and over they hang themselves and lose but they keep at it. They're attending Google U and think nothing about challenging educated experts in said field. Negating our investment of higher learning. You want to share some knowledge and give members here a heads up and you'll always have some dopey moron here saying the sky is orange. People who count know the deal but that's not going to ever halt the anonymous loser from trying. Ah, Whatta ya gonna do? 😂

by Anonymousreply 136December 18, 2018 6:51 AM

Negating our investment IN higher education. I think correct prepositions are important, but I'm not one of those people who count.

by Anonymousreply 137December 18, 2018 8:26 AM

R135 R136 have obviously never heard of ad hominem or that using it in an argument both negates their argument and makes them losers. No surprise.

by Anonymousreply 138December 18, 2018 8:49 AM

Relax, c'est anglais, you defensive rube

by Anonymousreply 139December 18, 2018 9:36 AM

What's with these white guys who proudly promote themselves as examples of white culture? They don't do shit. They spend their time on reddit and getting scared when they hear some hip-hop.

by Anonymousreply 140December 18, 2018 2:04 PM

R134

Why is this winter starting out so brutally?

Why has every prediction the forth by the IPCC proven 100% wrong over the last 25 years?

Why do people still believe in global warming win the fact that it has been negligible for 20 years?

Why do people ignore the major controversies in scientific reports on global warming, especially the revelations of massive data tampering by the leading IPCC scientists?

by Anonymousreply 141December 20, 2018 4:21 AM

...put forth...

...WHEN the fact...

by Anonymousreply 142December 20, 2018 4:22 AM

A Nazi who doesn't believe in climate change. We really do get the best trolls don't we?

*bangs head on desk*

by Anonymousreply 143December 20, 2018 4:30 AM

[quote]Why do people still believe in global warming win the fact that it has been negligible for 20 years?

Why does your IQ reach into negative digits?

by Anonymousreply 144December 20, 2018 4:32 AM
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