Treasons to Get Out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

When will it Be Mushroom Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/21/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Thank god for this new thread. It’s practically impossible to scroll down through the last 30 posts in the previous thread with all the links posted. Totally fucks up my phone. I couldn’t even get my cursor to appear in the dialog box to type a reply. Do the people posting all the links at the end of a thread just not have that problem??

R4 most likely they're posting from a non-mobile device.

Tracey Ullman got arrested?

^^^ Thirty years ago, maybe...

I can assure you I had zero sexual relations with Butina or any other Russian Ho.

Here's a seedy, ambiguous story involving Michael Cohen, Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr., and 21-year-old Miami pool boy Giancarlo Granda (formerly of the Fonatinebleau). It revolves around a flophouse bought by the Rev. through his wife and son in order to give Giancarlo a job managing it. Perhaps a minor subplot in this tale of treason, but eminently worthy of DL's attention.

She's a snake. She's a spy. She will lie.

Maria could use some Botox!

Giancarlo's twitter. Does not seem active.

R1, Your link goes to a "The View" thread.

When will we get Melania's mugshot?

R9 It has been eminently worthy of the DL's attention in another thread entitled "Jerry Falwell Jr. and Wife were BOTH BANGING THE POOLBOY...." for a couple of days now

Link to the previous thread

Bottomless Pinocchio!!!

Thank you, R15; despite my compulsive checking of DL I hadn't noticed that.

^ Please welcome to the stage!

R15 That Italian(?) poolboy Giancarlo or whatever? Pic please (just the poolboy not the old folgies)!

Tip o' the hat to Helpful Helen here at R16.

Will Pres Bone Spurs stroke out before it is all said and done?

Only the good die young.

I think Trump will resign within the year. Once the subpoenas start flying, the exit is going to start looking good. He can frame it that he's doing it for the good of the country because of the awful Democrats. His base will believe him.

Deep down he loves the drama. You know he cares nothing about the people or the presidency... only the power to fuck with people.

I think he’ll just stroke out bigly by April.

While Agent Trump couldn't achieve the Russian first objective of nixing the sanctions, he is overachieving in the second objective of throwing the country into constant drama and chaos.

He resigns, he goes straight to prison. Criminal charges will rain down on him like a ton of bricks....Federal and State.

"Smocking gun"? Maybe Steve Miller did not write the particular tweet where such appeaed. Trump did it all by himself...unless Melania helped.

Treasons to be Cheerful

R29 Oh yeah. Along with the smocking gun you get one that does rickrack and another for Schiffli embroidery.

Can we get a pic of the pool boy in question?

Former senators speak out in the WaPo

I hope Miss Russian Spy Cunt gets life in prison. No parole.

That's a surprisingly bipartisan list, although most of the R's on the list I would have considered Country Above Party anyway.

Apparently Miss Russian Spy Cunt cut a plea deal and flipped on the NRA.

She'll "commit suicide" within nine months.

Those Republican senators were from a different, much less fanatical party. Also, Lowell Weicker was a very liberal Republican, and Ben Nighthorse Campbell actually started as a Democrat and switched.

I don't think Trump would have the brains to think about the federal and state charges. He would just quit on Twitter and then the machinery would kick in to smooth out the transition.

But I wonder if Javanka won't let him quit? They obviously love being in the White House.

LOLOL! Trump is worried about being impeached? Well that's just another glaring example that shows he doesn't understand even the most basic stuff about government. Gettingimpeached will happen in the House. OF course he will then have to stand trial with Chief Judge Roberts presiding. Once the case is laid out in all it's gory details I wonder if the GOP Senate will protect him and vote against convicting him.

Trump will have 3 Supreme Court Justices that will accommodate him on anything: Thomas, Gorsuch, & Kavanaugh.

I am doubtful Roberts will. He wants his legacy to be better than that. And while Alito is quite conservative, he's straight-laced about the judicial process, and probably takes much offense with Trump's antics and defiance when it come to the law.

The rest won't be a question.

Ugh, OP, that picture. Hard to look at. Gross.

R30 And Paul Kirk, D MA, warmed Ted Kennedy's seat for only a year or so until his successor was elected.

Tonight Jill Wine Banks said trump should be indicted, not impeached. Impeachment would likely not end with his removal from office. There would be a better chance removing him with indictments. We need to get that sucker out NOW.

I want to see Mueller and others investigating this to throw the book at him. Not just books, but knives, rocks, boulders, machetes and chainsaws, too.

A Presidential indictment makes the yuletide gay!

Jill was on what show? Rachel?

How about some current senators?

It was on Chris Hayes.

She said most? of her team including her thought the president can be indicted but that Leon Jaworski felt they should go with impeachment because of the specific situation in Congress then - the Congress would have impeached and removed him from office. Her argument was that impeachment vs indictment was a situational decision and not something that is set in stone, and that at present indictment could be the way to remove Cheeto from office.

R45 Jill was on Chris Hayes. Chris Hayes had the night off. I forgot the name of his sub. Malcom Nance did himself proud tonight on that show, too.

R34

Miss Russian Spy Cunt should get life just for the hat.

Here's Malcom Nance's "epic rant" from tonight's Chris Hayes show.

Thanks, R16.

Superannuated Leather Queen Orrin Hatch: "I don't care" if Trump committed campaign finance crimes

Guuuuuuurl

Ladies and gentlemen, the law and order party!

[quote]Fyi, in case there's any confusion: Maria Butina has agreed to *fully cooperate* no holds barred.

You go girl! That's what you tell them!

I don't believe Butina at all. Typical Russian lies.

I mean "no holes barred"!

R56 Unless she has proof.

Mueller has to make it to January 3rd.

I keep seeing retweets of the story about the Republicans talking privately about abandoning Trump. I like that this is gaining traction.

After Maria Butina serves her time, will she be sent to Russia to face the Gulag? What’s the upside for her? Might she be hoping after 7-12 years in US prison, that Putin will be dead and she can go home safely?

How do you imagine it will all pan out for her?

Nance suggests that Butina flipped for good reason.

She gets Russian Flu in prison.

Oh, how do you solve a problem like Maria?

How do you hold a Glock like that in your hand?

Manys the things you know she'd better tell you

Many's the thing she's come to understand

But how do you make her stay?

You listen to all she'll say

In order to get the NRA to disband.

Oh, how do you solve a problem like Maria?

How do you hold a big fucking Glock like that in your hand?

Three weeks and change until January 3.

R62, it's hard to imagine that the Russians would try to get her back if she actually burns them, or that she would willingly go.

Witness Protection

If she owns up to being a spy they can trade here. Snowden for Butina?

If she already gave up the goods, what can they do?

^^^^This!

The NRA and soooooo many repugs must be shitting their diapers over Butina.

If they want her to come home and she has been coached by her Russian handlers, it means the Russians might be dumping Trump.

She might be killed by the Russians after the exchange, but right now she believes the Russian diplomats— she believe she'll be exchanged, will return to Russia, and will continue to live and work at the FSB.

I doubt they'll keep her around. They'll do the exchange to make it impossible for the feds to come back to her once they realize she omitted things and lied. Yeah they burn the NRA as an asset, but the are so many others.

Why do we allow Russians in the country. Ugh.

[quote]I wonder if the GOP Senate will protect him and vote against convicting him.

Do we even have to ask?

Some people in the immediately previous thread were worried about statute of limitations issues regarding an indicting Trump after he leaves office. Acts of concealment will extend the statute of limitations. Consider the meeting at Trump Tower and the early claim that the meeting was about Russian adoption. Also, various people claimed there had been no meetings with Russians at all. If the prosecutor could present evidence that Trump had directed acts of concealment, that would extend the statute of limitations to the time of discovery.

Also, some of the crimes are undoubtedly continuing crimes. That would also extend the SoL.

Chris Zylka as Nick Ayers in the Trump movie / Ryan Murphy miniseries

Can we talk about the specific Republicans who might be shitting their shorts tonight over the Butina cooperation deal? This is huge, no?

Did everyone watch Rachel’s first segment tonight?

Sorry replying to r592 from previous thread (I think I was r402). I said I think we are seeing the beginning of the end. That poster disagreed and said we have years to go. I agree with you, in my excitable state my post was poorly worded. My caveat is this is the begging of the end of ***Trump in the WH***.

You are indeed correct, this is still just the beginning in terms of the FULL scope of this investigation. There will be dozens and dozens and dozens of Americans charged. Proceedings will take years. I literally wouldn’t be surprised if from A to Z it’s a ten year marathon. However, I stand by my assertion that we are actually witnessing the beginning of the end of Trump as President. He’s a Walking Dead Man.

Ted Cruz must be shitting his pants right about now.

Did he accept a lot of NRA/Ru money, r80?

The Parkland kids must be celebrating. Good for them. The NRA is an evil organization.

R80. Why? As much as I’d love to see him taken down, I don’t think he has anything to do with this, the Russians don’t like that fuckface either.

Brian Williams’ show is must see TV now. Please don’t tell me anyone is watching CNN instead.

Brian reading Trump’s AM Tweet was hilarious.

Former Congressional Intern- as I said before, this will test our nation as never before. The rot is far and deep and has compromised an entire political party and its satellite entities such as the NRA. No one I have talked to, who have inside knowledge, knows any specifics. From people THEY know, this is so huge they are not sure who will all truly go down with it.

Sum it up- watch Malcolm Nance's take down tonight on MSNBC. The repugs are ALL IN and cannot turn back now.

Where there is smock there is fire!

HAHAHAHAHA

Is a smocking gun sort of like a Beadazzler? Or more like a portable serger?

Fuck me, anyone have the Malcolm Nance link?

I have heard a year ago that this goes high up in repub circles. Cmon. Why would Paul Ryan not run again? She said he had dirty Russian money behind him too. They all do.

As for see, it is not just Russia. It is various NGO's and people like the Saudi's. The repugs have sold out this country lock stock and barrel. Look at Justice Kennedy's son. This goes VERY high up and very wide.

^^^ as you see

Just popping in here to wonder what happened when Ivanka took a quick jaunt to eastern Europe in August 2016 to meet with Wendi Deng, rumored lover of Putin.

And the eight Republican Senators who flew to Moscow to meet Russian government officials on July 4, 2018. Why?? It wasn’t for the borscht.

Sens. Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Hoeven (N.D.), John Neely Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), John Thune (S.D.) and Rep. Ron Johnson (Wisconsin), plus Rep. Kay Granger (Tex.).

Why??

I believe Jared was with Ivanka when they visited with Wendy in Croatia.

Hold me, David!

And WTF does Trump caressing that Saudi Orb mean?? Look at his face. He’s about to come.

And whatever happened to Trump’s illegitimate child with the housekeeper story?? The doorman was released from his contract and could talk about it but there was no no follow through.

You know that one artist who makes shitty paintings of Trump? I want to commission him to paint one depicting Donald as Icarus.

And this weirdass journalists meeting with Melania in 1998. Was she being groomed then to be a Russian asset??

So any elected official related to the NRA is toast? Rumaki for everyone!

lmfao! Look at the moronic Tucker Carlson whining Trump's campaign violations shouldn't be crimes

and this guy sets things straight to correct Tucker's misleading fucked up "analysis"

Hey, crimes aren't crimes anymore!!!!!!!

Yipeeeeeeeeee!

It's the Purge except every day now!

How are the traders playing this? Going all in on the makers of Depends?

Screenwriter's elevator pitch: "It's sort of like "Bridge of Spies" meets "The Americans" meets "Red Sparrow"...

the way Rachel talked about the connection between the Trump campaign, the NRA + Russia...ooh I will orgasm hands-free if the NRA ends up going down because of this.

Dan Bongino lost his NRA TV gig lol now he's confined to Fox "News" where he doesn't have his own show...dude is broke so he needs the money

I agree with R85. I think this is wide and deep and has tentacles all over the place: Congress, Corporate, and Media. IMO Once Mueller completes his Trump investigation, I can easily see this entire effort becoming almost semi permanent and Mueller may hand the reigns over to someone else, as they continue to unravel all the corruption. They may even have to create a special office within the DoJ to oversee criminal corruption like this. A new, cleaned up Congress is going to have to pass an entire package of legislation to make sure this doesn't happen again. I always felt the old white men would resist giving up power, but I had no idea they would have the arrogance to actually ignore the law and their own criminality. This is a RICO crime if there ever was one.

R84 does Brian lean Democratic?

From the way his daughter talks about him it seems he does.

Just another skanky Russian whore in Trumpworld! And more nervous, desperate white guy Republicans - skanky whores of another kind. "MAGA!" F*ck them all.

Good morning U.K.! Looks like Brexit is collapsing.

Breaking:

The European Court of Justice has ruled that the UK can decide on its own to revoke its withdrawal from the European Union.

Monday’s ruling comes the day before a crunch House of Commons vote on the Prime Minister’s Brexit deal, which she is anticipated to lose amid opposition from all sides.

A good thing.

Brexit needs to die an ant-immigrant, racist death.

R109, yes Brian is a Democrat. You can tell from his bracelets he wears. (I’m not kidding.)

Look, Putin declared war on the west. It's a real war. The Gerasimov doctrine is real.

Andy Serkis as Gollum as Theresa May is hilarious!

Not to mention a little too on the mark.

Maddow deserves a bronze statue already.

I wonder if the US stock market will go down again given this Brexit mess today

Among the other tidbits from Rachel tonight: Torshin, Butina's handler in RU, just filed a one-sentence resignation letter Friday with no warning or comment.

Expecting he'll be "committing suicide" within a short time.

Which makes me wonder if Butina really is playing interference for the FSB.

where was he resigning from, r118?

They’re going to need more than 23 prosecutors.

R119: Russia's Central Bank.

A coincidence I'm sure.

[quote] After Maria Butina serves her time, will she be sent to Russia to face the Gulag?

Putin prefers a more "hands on " punishment

I doubt she's cooperating with prosecutors. If she pleads guilty and keeps her mouth shut, the Russians will trade her for a spy from the US or elsewhere

I bet the FBI & CIA are fucking with her (and the russiansc ) by claiming she was cooperating when she in fact, didn't

AP: Thousands of mailed ballots in Florida were not counted

[quote]Under Florida law, ballots mailed inside the United States must reach election offices by 7 p.m. on Election Day. Overseas ballots are counted if they are received up to 10 days after the election.

So, the early voting Democrats who predominate in the state don't count but the Repug military votes do.

Congressional Democrats need to go after the NRA the same way that the Republicans took down ACORN. The NRA should be eviscerated and put out of business because it is literally a criminal enterprise.

God, I would love to see them nail Dana Loesch on something. I don’t care what it is. I want her in prison.

[quote]I doubt she's cooperating with prosecutors. If she pleads guilty and keeps her mouth shut, the Russians will trade her for a spy from the US or elsewhere I bet the FBI & CIA are fucking with her (and the russiansc ) by claiming she was cooperating when she in fact, didn't

I don’t follow this logic. You think the reports that she has a cooperation agreement are a lie perpetrated by the government? This seems a very half baked theory.

Wonder how Lardass McCain feels about her precious NRA going down in flames. Knowing her phony ass, she’ll say she’s disgusted she had no idea, this is not the NRA SHE knows.

What is that r114? I will google but was wondering if you could provide a précis for us slow learners in the crowd.

Butina should be thrown in supermax just for her hideous face alone. Her ugliness is disturbing. For Christmas, I predict she gets a stocking full of polonium.

What most people underestimate is how much info Mueller knows already. I’m sure Mueller has documentation on all of it. He’s just getting people to confirm/testify to what he can already prove.

That’s true, r129, and another thing I think people don’t realize is the reason he wants people to confess and become cooperating witnesses is so the government doesn’t have to expose its intelligence sources and methods. They can reveal things to witnesses/indictees, I guess, but when it comes to presenting to the public, they want to keep that stuff under wraps.

Of course this is what gives the Deplorables fodder for claims like “Mueller blackmailed that person into lying for him!” It’s so fucking insane and stupid, but that’s Trump voters for you.

R128 the Gerasimov doctrine is a theory of warfare developed by a Russian General, Valerie Gerasimov in 2012.

Instead of bombs it uses technology to sow chaos through disinformation. It also uses cultural differences to create divisions, economic and diplomatic threats to achieve goals.

For example, an overriding propaganda piece is the Muslims are invading Europe!

So Western democratic traditions need to surrender to a trump or a Le pen or whomever to save us from the evil hoard.

Disinformation is weaponized. Ever wonder why the 4chan people/Russian trolls repeat the same tropes? Socialism is evil, critics are Marists, Orwell warned against blah, this is McCarthyism, we are being erased, it's because the messages are centralized and spread by alt right mouth pieces.

The Gerasimov doctrine is Putins playbook and has fueled/caused the rise of Nazis worldwide.

It sounds crazy. It seems insane. It's real.

Don’t forget compromised lesbian Senator Susan Collins. Can’t wit to see her investigated and charged as well.

^ I would love this

Can't Mr. Pecker fly to Moscow, find the pee pee girls, interview them, and try, a bit, to redeem the Nat'l Enquirer?

But Putty has probably hushed those gals from ever speaking.

About six months ago, I posted a 'You Heard It Here First' thread about Maria Butina and her connection to the NRA. I also mentioned thar the entire Board of the NRA up and quit and shut down the entire NRA organization! Then, a few days later, they all reversed course and brought the NRA back. What was that about? Never heard a peep about it until Butina was caught by Mueller.

The question of how deeply tied the NRA/ Russia is with the GOP is the final question to be answered. But for shuttering the NRA down, it must be something huge, right?

I also posted another You heard it here now prediction regarding Faux News Division having direct/discreet funding from Russia to use as agitprop.

We're about to find out in the near future. Keeping fingers crossed.

How do you know these things, r135. Are you a Russian counter-intelligence officer?

Nope, r136. It would just make it all make sense. I have this strange coping mechanism (or something), just a need to have what's happening have a semblance of logic.

[quote] Hey, crimes aren't crimes anymore!!!!!!! Yipeeeeeeeeee!

Well, not quite. Crimes are what Democrats commit. IOKIYAR -- "It's OK if You're a Rethuglicanan"

I can assure you that if President Hillary Clinton or President Barrack Obama had done a tiny, minute, barely perceptible fraction of what tRump has done, they would have dragged them from the White House and executed them on the spot -- no impeachment, removal, or trial. "Off with their heads!!" Rethugs are a bunch of hypocrites with a double standard: they feign horror and outrage over any [bold] [italic] perceived [/bold] [/italic] Democratic transgression, but give a huge, collective shrug of their shoulders to Repukes who commit real, actual, proven crimes.

Despicable.

[quote]Don’t forget compromised lesbian Senator Susan Collins. Can’t wit to see her investigated and charged as well.

She is quite pleased with herself at the moment, saying Kavanaught protected Planned Parenthood.

[quote]Do you think Russia would invade Ukraine... just to distract the U.S. from Trump's scandals? Is that too paranoid?

Hasn't that horse left the barn?

[quote]Not the kind of dream MLK spoke of, his dreams are fading as we are overtaken by an evil we were unable to prevent.

Maybe you wanna take another look at what I said?

That's 10 pounds of gayface and ugly in a 5-pound bag.

Bump

Law prof Jed Shugerman tweeted last night, citing Maddow, that Maria's handler Aleksandr Torshin had SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED. I can't find this story anywhere else, though, and now I can't find it on Shugerman's twitter feed, so maybe it was a false alarm. Still, not implausible.

While Austin tries to portray itself as a "Liberal Mecca", its local news media is VERY "both sides" and almost Conservative (not just Fox).

However, now they are reporting - REPORTING! - without qualifications like "unverified" and "supposedly" every other word. They are flat-out reporting the latest news on Trump's evilness without having to bend backwards with "Both sides! Both sides!" now.

SO different than the Steele Dossier days!

The tide is turning!!!

[quote]the Gerasimov doctrine is a theory of warfare developed by a Russian General, Valerie Gerasimov in 2012.

Please, PLEASE let there be evidence Zuckerberg is tied to this.

[quote]Hasn't that horse left the barn?

Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, yes. The entire country, no.

R135

And the NRA reports their income is down by 55 million dollars this year. Is that how much they were getting from the Russkies? Perhaps via the Russian Central Bank from which Mr. Torshin just resigned?

I wondered the same thing you did when Tom Selleck suddenly upped and quit the NRA board.

There is so much more than just Trump and the 2016 presidential election going on here. I'm hopeful Democrats in the House, the Special Counsel's Office, and the SDNY investigations bring more of it to light starting 23 days from now.

[quote]However, now they are reporting - REPORTING! - without qualifications like "unverified" and "supposedly" every other word. They are flat-out reporting the latest news on Trump's evilness without having to bend backwards with "Both sides! Both sides!" now.

CNN anchors and guests are openly mocking Orrin Hatch, both for saying breaking the law is fine and for his comments during Clinton's impeachment.

r144 Torshin has "retired".

R150: isn't 65 the normal retirement, er "liquidation" age in the Russian banking system?

You all are burning through these threads. Nice!

What happened to the Christmas theme titles? Christmas isn't even here yet.

^ Plenty of time: this one will be filled by Thursday; tomorrow if things heat up in Treasonous Trumpworld today.

Uh oh, Trump NOT named Time Magazine's Person of the Year.

He will be pissed!

r151 It's complicated. Russian Central Bank normal retirement age is 60. Torshin got his job when he was 61. He obviously has (had) friends in high places.

Hopefully Torshin designed his own retirement plan, in another country, under an assumed name. Better than Putin's retirement plan.

R108, The 1% comprises anti-government traitors galore, in whatever nation each holds citizenship. That includes the very leaders of government, because how else to fix the laws, enrich the wealthy more, impoverish everyone else, loot Exchequers, etc. At these extremely wealthy levels, criminality is de rigueur. Millions of dollars is chump change.

Decadence is the preferred lifestyle, including pedophilia. Maybe not at Ping Pong Pizza, but definitely on private islands and yachts. "Eyes Wide Shut." Epstein is not unique. Think of how many countries there are. We have seen the barest glimpses through the Manafort, Cohen, and Trump revelations. Read the text messages of Manafort's daughters, of his "blood money" and forcible pimping of his wife (a verboten topic for our media).

Money is all. Billions can buy underground bunkers; a hundred billion might afford an escape to Mars.

The demented murder of a journalist is as the crushing of a bug to these (mostly) men. The deaths of hundreds of thousands innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc., are less than zero, when trillions in natural gas, oil, gemstones, antiquities, and especially opium poppies can be had. Assassinations are just business. Perhaps so is the destruction of tall buildings.

This criminality will never be allowed to see the full light of day, for militaries exist to prevent the people's learning. We are ruled, to a nation, to a person, by evil worshippers of, if not Satan, then assuredly Mammon.

So yes, Mueller's investigation is perforce both wide and deep, but its search will never be allowed out of the deep end of the swimming pool to confront the entire ocean. The Mueller Report will be fenced in, for our "national security."

Whatevs, whataboutism comspiracy troll at R157.

Susan Collins at this point she is well hated...I hope her elected life is just about over.

Hmm, Poo is up early today.

Thanks for the new thread, OP!

It got me thinking. How do you all think Dotard would fair in Solitary?

R159 I can't believe the people of Maine keep reelecting her. She proves to them what a piece of crap she is, and they just go for another serving.

Hey, R92, there are two of us. I won't let that meeting go! Ivanka had a nursing infant, but went on "vacation" with Deng. Ivanka is the bag man.

It's pretty incredible how Ivanka, after just giving birth had to go on this mission. It is sort of illustrative of the kind of avarice and power that underpins the whole Trump mob. I only know about pregnancy through my sister who has four kids, but it seems dangerous to get on a plane and fly such a long distance so soon after having a kid....and yet she risked it.

I'd give birth in a rice paddy for daddy!

R163 Wow, I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder.

I remember that too. I cannot help but wonder how many of these events are all going to be linked together once all the dots are connected. I bet we already knew about most of what is going on, just not how it all fit together.

Maria Butina has a got a vision of being in Federal Witness Protection like the one at the end of "Goodfellas." A garagescape house in a faceless flyover suburb is what she has dreamed of.

r120......what ever happened to the 300 prosecutors that Rosenstein "summoned" to DC in mid-August ? that was a lot of prosecutors to vet a judge. I havent heard that they were dismissed.

R168, I sometimes think we don't really appreciate the standard of living in this country. Even low income people in America have it better than low income people in other countries. And as consumers we have so many choices here and take a lot for granted. To us "a garagescape house in flyover country" would crush our spirit, but for her it might mean freedom, choices, and comfort she doesn't have in Russia.

That’s a good question r169. Did we confirm that that actually happened? My feeling is it was a ruse to cover for the fact they were needed on Mueller’s team. Or maybe it was just a team meeting...like those companies hold every year to bring employees together from around the country.

I'd still like to know why Tom Selleck stepped down from their Board of Directors so suddenly. People begged him to resign after Sandyhook. But no. And then about two months ago, he suddenly resigns. I bet there's a good story behind this. I'd love to know if he knew about these Russian shenanigans all along. I bet he did.

Tompromat

Mueller has a lot on his plate this week. Maria, Manafort, Flynn and Cohen between now and Friday...

No doubt Trumpworld has a lot on its mind (or what passes for one amongst those greedy, pathetic, treasonous little shits)

I think Tom found out and hightailed it. I know he’s hated here but he’s supposed to be quite nice.

I agree, R175 - which is why I found his support of the NRA a bit unusual.

George Conway compliments Rachel Maddow

R142 Miss Lindzey wears Clemson University orange everywhere since they are currently ranked #2 in the nation and headed to the college football playoffs again. She is from a community very close to Clemson.

However, Miss Lindzey attended the University of South Carolina in Columbia for her undergraduate and law school degrees.

Miss Lindzey decks herself with the colors of who is winning at a given time. Identity politics at work.

Why are Chuck and Nancy meeting with Dump to solve the budget crisis? The Rethugs still control the WH and Congress. Let them wallow in that problem. Chuck and Nancy should be focused on Jan 3 and the hail storm of subpoenas and impeachment strategies. Fuck the coffee date with that turd. If they want to bring the government to a grinding halt, so be it. But let it be on them not the Democrats.

Hypocrite Hatch is an ole queen going way back. Had Clarence Thomas put a pubic hair in Hatch's coke, he would have goobled it down.

Lindsey Graham perhaps promised to Susan Collins that when she's next up for re-election, he'll go to Maine to campaign for her in the next "lust for Kavanaugh" tour.

Why wasn’t Thomas #metoo-ed?

Surely, Anita couldn’t have been the only one he harassed.

r182 There were other harassment witnesses against Uncle Clarence Thomas. Our hero Joe Biden prevented them from testifying.

R121, is "retired" a euphemism for "shot himself in the back of the head 7 times, and then drank a nice cup of polonium tea?"

Christie's book is coming out next month.

Is it going to be a cookbook featuring his massive collection of high-calorie recipes?

I thought he was announcing that he'd read a book.

Partially, R186. The real title is Fatty Arbuckle Was Framed!

Apparently, Kelly Ann is one of 4 finalists for Chief of Staff opening! How in the world she could do that - with her husband doing his thing - I don't know. I also would think Kelly Ann would no better. That job is toxic.

LOL...a finalist for a job NO ONE else wants...

wow, did you see what a shit show that was? LOL!

Fucking Pence was just sitting there like a fucking dummy.

R192

And you were surprised?

All Christie is doing for Donald is giving him legal advice...from a distance.

Leon Panetta on MSNBC now. He’s right about not doing any negotiating ( or anything, really) with Trump on camera. That’s his home turf and he will always drag you down in the mud with him.

Nothing is gonna get done. Bank on that.

I liked what Nancy Pelosi did there. She stood up to his bullying and his lies. I wasn't a fan of hers, but today I was.

The ‘Trump’ shutdown, They need to do more of that type of simple branding and easy buzzwords that the media can pick up on and easily digested and repeated by the masses.

Butina is so gross.

[quote]Maria Butina has a got a vision of being in Federal Witness Protection like the one at the end of "Goodfellas."

I very much doubt that Witness Protection will be a option for Butina. Her highly recognizable face has been splashed all over every publication of note in the U.S. and all over the web and hiding her accent is practically impossible. Even folks in podunk Arkansas or WV could recognize her unless she has dramatic facial surgery to alter her appearance. I'm sure a gifted surgeon could make significant alterations, but recall the story CNN broke earlier in the year that Russian agents in the U.S. had made inroads into finding former Russian agents in the Witness Protection Program. I searched for a link but can't find one. Maybe the story was scrubbed from the internet?

Surely there's a shady tranny somewhere who could pump her mug full of Home Depot silicone.

You rang?

So true, R198. KISS: "Keep It Simple, Stupid" gets the message across. Why can't the Demmies learn this very basic principle of messaging?

It's like Australian journalism. There are only three rules: 1, Make it Bleed; 2, Make it Lead; and 3, Make it Up.

Alliteration is good, too: the media should be jumping all over "Trump Tariffs," Trump's Troubles," "The Trump Tide is Turning," "Trump Trails in Polls," "Trump's Tricks Turn Tables," "Donnie's Disgrace," "Deplorables Dump Trump" and on and on and on. The Rethugs tried to change the D's name to the "Democrat" party and labelled it "Obamacare" as if that were a bad thing. When will the Democrats learn?

r203, evidently, never.

I think that Torshin is the first person to come down with this version of Russian Flu.

The KGB/GRU/FSB is always evolving and I believe that Putin grew tired of the constant exposure by the pesky free press.

Torshin was escorted into Russian Flu quarantine.

I wonder if he was given Kashoggi therapy.

r197, Nancy was fine, it was Chuck Schumer that annoyed me. Why was he intentionally trying to goad Trump on? Trump's temper is volatile enough without Schumer making snide comments at him and then laughing right on camera, what are we in middle school?

I still say Schumer needs to go; sooner rather than later.

After that heated meeting with Chuck and Nancy. Fat Ass made his way to the White House kitchen and devoured bacon and peanut butter sandwiches, potato chips ,ice cream and a ….Diet Coke.

[quote]Why was he intentionally trying to goad Trump on? Trump's temper is volatile enough without Schumer making snide comments at him and then laughing right on camera

It was beautiful.

I almost fell out of my fucking chair seeing the Conway Tweet.

Folks, some of us have suspected this for a while, but I strongly believe he is sending signals that his wife is on our side. I think she’s a plant and is wearing a wire or whatever for Mueller.

I obviously despise Conservatism, but let’s call a spade a spade. George Conway is a brave patriot. He has BALLS. Of course she does too, she has the biggest balls I’ve dver seen on a political mouthpiece, unfortunate that she’s used her cuntiness for evil. I’ve called his wife every name in the book, but wouldn’t it be hysterical if they both switch parties? I LOVE that he gave props to Rachel, she deserves that! Of course the apes on his side are too dumb to read his feed. #Sad

The altacocker from Manhattan making fun of the shegetz from Queens?

Say it isn't so.

Oy, Maria!

I have to block this thread because I am sick of seeing that face every time I open DL.

Your loss R211

Great thread, OP

turn off the previews, r211.

Miss Chuck Schumer is feeling herselfses, hennies

Love the Schumer and Pelosi pushback. More dems More! Make the rethugs defend themselves, call out their lies!

[bold]Shawn Reynolds[/bold] @ShawnReynolds_

This is like when Jim stares at the camera on The Office

[bold]Josh Marshall[/bold] @joshtpm

Good Lord, Chuck baits Trump into "proud to shut the government down" quotes, also Trump changes face Pantone from Grifty Orange to Boily Red on live video.

Nancy was cool. I like that bitch.

Cheeto: Busted

Nancy: DUSTED

That presser was a beautiful thing. Dump is getting a taste of Jan 3.

[bold]Rachael Bade[/bold] @rachaelmbade

ZING: Pelosi told Democrats that Trump “must have said the word ‘wall’ 30 times,” she complained. “I was trying to be the mom,” she explained, but “it goes to show you: you get into a tickle contest with a skunk, you get tinkle all over you.’"

Why don’t Chuck and Nancy tell Trump that he promised the American people that Mexico would pay for the wall?

I apologize for going off topic.

Someone asked about the Gerasimov doctrine and Facebook.

Not Facebook, but this article talks about how the Russians weaponized social media world wide.

I thought Pelosi and Schumer were great. They got trump on record about government shut down.

Later that same day...

"What I said was I would NOT be proud to shut the Government down."

I agree with you, R222. Democrats should just keep repeating: "We're not going to budget one penny for a wall. Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall. If Trump wants a wall, he needs to go ask Mexico for the money."

R222, It's a nice zinger, but they know it's ultimately a distraction, which Trump uses to his benefit. "Mexico will pay for it" is just childish nonsense. Pelosi and Schumer are going to keep having a grownup conversation and when Trump has his temper tantrums and yells nonsense, they're not going to indulge him.

R221, even better was this embedded tweet: @NancyPelosi returned from the WH meeting with the president today and went STRAIGHT for the most sensitive part of Trump’s ego: his masculinity.

“It’s like a manhood thing with him — as if manhood can be associated with him,” she told her colleagues just now.

Sarah Sanders: The exchange between Mr. Trump and the leaders of a Socialist Interest Group didn't happen. This was faked by crisis actors and we have the proof for that ... which we will release in due time.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Did someone from the press ask Pence if he is being held hostage and to check his (non-existing) watch once for no and twice for yes?

I thought both Chuck and Nancy were terrific. Is it my imagination or is Asshole getting red in the face? He is pissed. Look. Schumer wasn't goading him, Schumer was speaking to Us. He's not a fool He wanted it publicly stated before the cameras that we (1) Support border security and (2) we have a good proposal that is BI-PARTISAN and with the Democratic and Republican support it would pass. And Trump did nothing but sputter and fume and lie. I loved that Schumer called it a tantrum. Trump better realize his base is not enough to keep him afloat. Even the Republicans know it isn't.

Chuck wasn't even looking at Trump while arguing with him...

wow, Barron is so tall. I like him, he plays soccer and knows Wayne Rooney.

SHADE!

Isn't there a significant amount of illegal immigration and drug smuggling from Mexico via underground tunnels? A wall certainly won't address that issue.

Who the fuck is Wayne Rooney?

now fat Donnie is on the record saying he will shut down the government if he doesn't get his wall.

He won't. The democrats are still the minority party at this vote. Who is he going to blame when he gets no funding?

what an idiot.

Trump is so adamant about this wall I am wondering if he is getting kickbacks from whoever is supposed to build it. He seems desperate to get it done and I don't think it is just to please his base.

It wouldn't surprise me. You want to see his head explode -- force him to pay back anything.

Adam Schiff gets in a read

So, for the Republicans who already started talking about abandoning Trump, doesn't this add more fuel to the fire?

Schumer did remind me of Norman Fell staring at the camera and smirking in 3’s C

Wayne Rooney is an English football star who first played for Everton (Liverpool), Manchester United, and now DC United. He is England's all time record scorer and is famous off-pitch, among other things, for his ur-chav lifestyle with his lovely wife Colleen (Westlife was the wedding band) and on at least one occasion, an elderly hooker old enough to be his gram. The hair transplant he underwent several years ago appears to have grown in nicely. He's cute if you go for that dirty Irish white boy look, but I gather he's not everyone's idea of a trip to Hollywood, looks-wise.

He's listed as 5'9" but I doubt it (Barron has to have been kneeling in that photo) and he is an amazing player.

Clips of this tv thing?

Barron is growing into a giant r242.

Too tall for soccer already, better suited for basketball. Who cares about dumb chav Rooney though? This was Nancy's day and a nice day for Democrats overall. I'm glad we're showing some balls finally.

[quote]Barron is growing into a giant

"My hands are already bigger than Dad's!"

R246, you sure that was Barron and not Tiffany?

He's fixated on the wall because it is an easy item for him to hang onto. He isn't smart enough to delve into the details of the federal budget. So he picked his signature promise and has stuck with it. It's all he knows and for that reason all that he cares about. He's an idiot. Sadly, we are saddled with the whims of this moron.

I believe Trump thinks that an actual wall between the US and Mexico will be his historical monument. His legacy. Like Mount Rushmore, but just for him. Him alone.

For which the Mexicans would be grateful if it kept him out of their country.

R249 I have that same belief. He just sees it as a Trump-branded monument. He cannot and does not care for the human element in any of it.

Not to mention the bribes and kickbacks for a project that size. His family could walk away with a couple billion when it’s all done.

Everything these people do is for the cash.

I was looking at a picture of Pence in the clusterfuck meeting, and you can see his right hand is clenched around his phone while his eyes are closed. I think he was praying to stop himself from physically attacking Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if one day he just snapped. Two years of Trump will do that to you.

If he shuts down the government though, won’t that also shut down the Justice Department and the Mueller Investigation though? At least temporarily? Maybe that is his aim? He has got to know the Republicans aren”t going to fund his wall either.

He backed himself into a corner with the "We're building a wall and Mexico is paying for it" BS. Clearly the Deplorables and the GOP is giving him a pass on the Mexico payment since he has zero leverage to get a peso from Mexico.

What gets me is why the Democrats haven't just said to him: "Look, you said Mexico was paying for the wall. When the U.S. Treasury gets a certified Bank check for the full amount from Mexico, don't talk to us about any wall." Schumer has even proposed putting in $$ for the wall just to negotiate - IMO not one penny of taxpayer $$ should be spent on some idiotic wall when there are so many infrastructure issues around the country that need addressing.

Interesting question from R234. Here's an article which deals in part with the tunnels (there are a lot of them) and why Trump's wall will be ineffective.

Sorry, meant to say:

"Look, you said Mexico was paying for the wall. UNTIL the U.S. Treasury gets a certified Bank check for the full amount from Mexico, don't talk to us about any wall."

R254, law enforcement activities would not be shut down.

The wall is to keep us in, dummies. Didn’t anybody learn about the Korean War in school?

Ms.Nancy (and Chuck-has-a-spine) just ate tRump's lunch! WTG Dems!!

So, what's the backstory of the press being led into a closed meeting of Trump (and Pence on low battery power status) with Pelosi and Schumer? Who set up who?

Is there any way to get the direct link to the video at r260 so I can view it outside of DL and share with friends?

Let him shut it down.

It will be all on him.

You have to call their bluff. You HAVE to.

[bold]Wonkette: Can Somebody Hold Nancy Pelosi's Beer While She Dick-Punches Trump Some More?[/bold]

This is why Nancy Pelosi is the once and future speaker of the House of Representatives, and also of YOUR FACE.

She looks great considering she's ancient. I wish her the best of health.

Nancy is one tough cookie but rather have a newer face slugging it out.

Cheeto actually described the meeting as very friendly...he's mental.

we're going to keep hearing about this as the Russia investigation continues. Trump knows his family is next since all the other top campaign people have been indicted except for Pence

Do you really think AOC would have done anything close to what Nancy did today, R268? Please.

Nancy handled herself extremely well today.

I hope Trump shuts the government down just before the holidays. People would be baying for his blood. He won’t though. He’s a coward and will blame the Dems for not letting him or some damn thing.

Then there’s Pigabee Sanders. How someone hasn’t smothered her in public while she’s walking down the street is beyond me.

Nancy is an old hand, which is what we need against Trump in particular. Once Mr Crazy is gone, we can talk about getting a rookie in there and breaking them in. But a rookie against Adolf Shitler? Don’t bring a pea shooter to a tank fight.

Nancy is a old master. This is why we need her.

Do you think he'd settle for a donut wall?

Trump could bully a newbie into submission. He will never ever be able to do that with someone like Nancy Pelosi. She's been around and knows how to deal with bullies like Trump and get out of that confrontation with her dignity intact. And that's one of Trump's, The Republican Party's, The Deplorables', Right Wing Media's biggest fears (not looking like the clear winner of the argument or confrontation).

[quote] "It's like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him. This wall thing," said the California congresswoman.

Ha!

Nancy always comes through. Schumer surprised me . He was tougher than I expected and he was crystal clear too. I don't think Trump has ever heard McConnell or anyone on the GOP side talk that strong to him. Maybe Graham, but Schumer really made him look bad. I love that the Dems made it clear they agree with Trump that border security is important. And it was all on live TV. With Nancy she is all about strategy. She plays the long game. Master chess payer. She's always going to be three or four moves ahead and she is always going to have options for various situations. She has a mental agility based on experience, and on her understanding of how things work in the House and the Senate. She understands the process. And she has collected a ton of IOUs on both sides of the aisle. Her favorite phrase is always, "How can I help?" She has an awesome staff too. My point is that over the years she has earned respect.

Nancy branding it the “Trump Shutdown” was brilliant. Trump immediately perked up and knew that wasn’t good for him. Then, of course, later, he went and just doubled down on it which is typical him.

wtRump is enraged.....

Some woman on Nicole Wallace’s show said about the way Mike Pence was sitting: “He looks like he’s at a strip club!”

That’s hilarious R281.

The comment about Pence being "the worst member of this improv team" was really funny.

Witch Hunt! Set Up! The Cheque Is In The Mail! MAGA!

Hilarious!

I love Schumer's shit eating grin R216.

Love Nancy and her FYPs (Fuck You Pumps).

^^^

^^ Nancy leaving the holiday party after starting major drama. I love her!

Is this better?

Actual image of Nancy when faced with the cameras and Trump in the Oval

"Wonkette: Can Somebody Hold Nancy Pelosi's Beer While She Dick-Punches Trump Some More?"

r293, that was already posted?

Nancy won the Speaker's race this morning. No need to wait for January 3rd.

Seth Moulton looks more foolish every day.

[quote]Do you really think AOC would have done anything close to what Nancy did today,

With the caveat that I'm with Nancy, AOC is quite articulate and biting, and would've done well too.

Watching the Trump Shutdown show now on msnbc. Pence's whole contribution was bobbing his head left to right.

I apologize, but who or what is AOC, please?

August Osage County, I think.

Another Overbearing Cunt

Wish I knew...I know everything else.

For the toddlers here: while a bunch of white dicks in the Dem caucus were signing the letter against Nancy, AOC went on the news shows and announced she isn't for change for change's sake.

She basically announced she's behind Nancy.

The "cunts" are on the ball.

She brought the drama indeed. Apparently after Chuck and Nancy left. Old Fat Ass threw a fit. He stormed out the Oval Office and threw a folder of papers across the hall. (MSNBC)

After today, It gets worse Fat Boy!

Thank you, R301. I wasn't even close to guessing.

And the Trumptards are claiming Dotard owned them and Schumer and Pelosi looked scared and intimidated by Il Duce, the strong MAGA man. They are so fucking delusional or willfully ignoring the reality.

To allllllllllll you dumb mother fuckers who doubted Nancy, she just *****crushed***** him. Look at her swagger, strutting with her shades on, Mona Lisa smile, while one hand juggles his gonads. As if some millennial youngin’ who got their pubic hair last fucking year could have done better. As if. Queen “Impeachment Is Off The Table” said that as a fucking strategy — we TRIED to tell y’all, but noooooo-aaaaaa.

If I may be so bold as to her critique her just for fun (because how does one critique a masterpiece?), I would have enjoyed hearing her poke him with “What happened to Mexico paying for the wall DON?” But she didn’t want to rub his nose in his own mess so quick out of the gate. This wasn’t even Nancy at 60%, she literally was barely trying. Delightful!!! A joy! It’s like watching Jordan or Phelps in their primes.

I guarantee he cried in the bathroom after that presser. Overall score? 10/10. Nancy will turn him into dust, but DO keep looking for her replacement, maybe AOC could do better? The ex-waitress? I’m SURE she’s more spry on her feet, being from The Bronx and all, she’s sooooooooooo much tougher.

I would KILL for someone in the White House to film Donald having one of his tantrums.

r305 They will be shitting their diapers with all that's about to hit.. in real time. They are all going to prison.

I live in a very red state and can't wait for the moment when it's impossible for even the most ardent MAGA types to deny reality.

[Quote] I imagine all the Nancy Nay-sayers squawking about "new blood" for the past month are busy cleaning up their TL's so they can claim they were #TeamPelosi all along.

Me too r307. I do believe he was furious with Pence, he didn’t have his back at all!!!! It was fucking hilarious.

This reminded me of something Samantha Bee said about Hillary in 2016. Nancy is exactly what we need in a Speaker because she's not afraid of a bully.

r308 is a scumbag

I was so wrong about Pelosi. She kicked his saggy ass right down the WH hall. Damn. I take back both posts that criticized Nancy on previous thread. Dump is going to have his hands full with her. Way to go Madame Speaker elect.

r282

lol funny..panel lost their shit.

Also, can we all just show we’ve learned a thing or two? Wouldn’t you now say that all of the negative Nancy energy feels trollish? Doesn’t it kind of feel like....Hillary? Like how many were duped into hating her, but couldn’t even articulate **why**?

The hatred toward Pelosi is a construct coming from both the GOP and Russia. Let’s not be fooled again, m’kay? R315, they played you for a fool, but don’t worry, it’s happened to me too. It’s just a great reminder of how strong the propaganda is. Do NOT let these fuckers fool any of us into thinking getting rid of her is smart. They are mortally terrified of Nancy. They fear her as much as Hillary. Don’t fall for it.

Bravo, R317, Bravo! Love it!

Trump shuts down the government, he'll get the blame regardless of what McTurtle and Miss Lindsey declare otherwise.

Lol R314.

From the twitter replies there:

Miss Lindzey praising Trump in right-wing media regarding the meeting with Pelosi and Schumer.

So predictable, and she made a bee line to the cameras for comments though she wasn't in attendance.

Revised: It's the Trump-Graham-GOP shutdown!

Don't be surprised if the latest GOP talking point is that it would only be a limited shutdown. It's still a shutdown.

Rachel is going after Pence tonight! ("Mr Roboto")

r270....there are quire a few people that will go down before the Trump kids....Stone, Corsi, Bannon, Prince, Ross, Parscale....there are at least a dozen if not more....

[quote]Don't be surprised if the latest GOP talking point is that it would only be a limited shutdown

Correct. A little government shutdown is good for the American people.

Our best! potus! evah! will not want to shut the government down if it weren't the case.

The headline of tomorrow’s NY Daily News reads WALL OR NOTHING with a pic of Schumer and Trump. If they were doing a play on words of songs from Oklahoma! they should have instead had a pic of Nancy and Trump and the headline should have been I’M JUST A GIRL WHO CAN SAY NO.

Shutdowns: Non-essential employers are told not to come to work.

These people will be paid eventually, so this amounts to paid time off at our expense. They will suffer if they can’t wait to be paid, though.

Museums, other places with “non-essential” employees will be closed, inconveniencing the rest of us.

The Post Office and AMTRAK will continue to work.

It’s a stupid exercise that doesn’t punish anybody who deserves to be punished.

[quote]These people will be paid eventually

Only by act of Congress.

r328 who do you think deserves to be punished?

Yes, R329, and in every case of previous shutdowns, the employees who did not work were paid.

R330, Trump deserves to be punished, if he causes a pointless shutdown over a pointless wall. Obviously.

I don't think he'll get the support to do it. The Senatrix may be behind him, but that's just to shtup him.

I agree, R332. I’m sure he knows he looked bad today. He’s a bag of hot air. Last year he promised a shutdown, too, and he walked that back.

I want Kellyanne to be the new Queef of Staff, I like when she is overworked and bedraggled looking.

Trump wants the wall as a monument to himself.

Frankly, the wall is not needed except in certain areas. It is extremely expensive and there are other barrier systems and high tech methodologies that could be utilized. There would be much eminent domain action with private landowners.

If he couldn't get "the Wall" with a Congress of both chambers under Rethug majority, what makes him think he can get it from a Democratic House?

Oh r336, just stop it!!! You people will do ANYTHING, just ANYTHING to hurt this country. He’s **still** our President.

McTurtle with the turkey wattle, will not bring anything to the Senate floor unless the majority of the Republicans support the bill, and it can muster a 60 vote majority for passage. McTurtle has even refused to have votes when a minority of Republicans, usually Teaparty types, opposed a legislative bill.

Gee, why is Cheeto squabbling with Chuck and Nancy instead of banging on the door of López Obrador? Wasn't MEXICO supposed to pay for the "Wall"?

R334 - Kellyanne looks like a used mattress.

Fancy Pence might be in real trouble.

Robert Mueller Has 2 Years of Recorded Surveillance that Doesn’t Look Good For Mike Pence

Pence looked like he had seen a ghost today with Pelosi and Schumer.

Pence looked embalmed. Let's hope soon also for real.

MSNBC just showed Putin telling his cabinet? that he asked around his intelligence services about Butina and nobody knew who she was!

R344, it's funny that the press still report what that lying liar says.

How many pics of Graham with multiple dicks in multiple orifices do the Russians have for his pathetic ass kissing? I mean, it’s getting fucking embarrassing.

Still can't take responsibility. "I was tricked into lying!" 😂

The young Russian operative called her strategy the “Diplomacy Project,” an elaborate, multiyear scheme to infiltrate the conservative movement in the United States in hopes of cementing bonds to benefit the Kremlin.

Maria Butina laid out the proposal in March 2015 and then pursued her plan over the next two years, travelling to conferences to schmooze Republican presidential candidates. She established close ties to top officials in the National Rifle Association. She hosted “friendship dinners” with wealthy Americans. And she organized a Russian delegation to attend the influential National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C.

Much of Butina’s work has been reported over the past year as part of a broader campaign by Moscow to influence U.S. elections — but new details are included in documents obtained by The Washington Post that will be filed in court Thursday, when Butina is expected to admit for the first time that her activities were part of a concerted endeavour, coordinated with a top Russian official with the express intent of establishing unofficial lines of communication with Americans who could influence U.S. politics.

The documents show Butina plans to admit she worked at the direction of a former senator who was deputy governor of the Russian central bank. That description matches Alexander Torshin, who was sanctioned by the U.S. government earlier this year and resigned his bank position in November.

Butina is being prosecuted by the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, not special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. But with a plea, she will become the first Russian national convicted of working to influence U.S. policy around the time of the 2016 election.

Butina’s plea will not be final until it is entered in court and accepted by a judge. A hearing is scheduled for Thursday morning.

Everything Pres Bone Spurs says deserves the biggest eye roll in the history of the world.

Ugh Butina's face is as gross as Sandberg's. 🤢🤮

Off topic: have we discussed this Twitter account and its account of Trump and his family’s decades-long ties to the Mob?

Hahahahahahaha

If I click on that link and it does not go DIRECTLY to the tweet so help me god...

The Guardian gathered together some comments on Pence's "dead man sitting" behavior.

NANCY PATRICIA D'ALESANDRO PELOSI!

Did you really just dick-punch Trump, by making fun of his weird little Lollipop Guild Yeti Pubes Mario Kart dick? Yep, you sure did!

"I will shut it down. I won't blame you for it."

That is the clip that better be played on a loop all Christmas.

[quote]Seth Moulton looks more foolish every day

Good. Fucking poser.

Hubby was just being pensive. He was focused on the many blessings of this holy season.

That’s Pence’s day dreams of being POTUS down the tubes. He’d never win an electoral contest now. I’m sure the DOJ will have him removed like they did Agnew before they take down Trump anyway.

R158, Reading comprehension?

There is nothing remotely "whataboutism" in r157. I take to task the 1% and name only Republicans, upon all of whom at whatever income level I wish a pox and a plague.

But if you consider calling out the1%, the one group able to literally buy politicians wholesale such that the bought will pass laws to further enrich their owners; the one group on speaking terms with men such as Putin and MBS; the one group able to own media to "propel the propaganda"; the one group able to afford the cost of stealing Presidential elections, either through bribery of the SCOTUS or collusion with Russia; the one group able to agitate for wars in order to acquire natural resources;

If you think the above is demented conspiracy folly, you simply have not been paying any attention whatsoever.

Perhaps you might glance at the latest TIME cover.

R268's idiotic comment is illustrative of why ageism is wrong for so many reasons.

[quote]"It's like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him."

This from a whip-smart older woman will have cut him to the quick, amid the generalised abject defeat of his day. He's just stupid enough to blurt that if he wasn't a real man, Cohen wouldn't have had to pay off two of his whores. It's what he'd say to his soi-disant mob cronies.

[quote]Mueller Has 2 Years of Recorded Surveillance that Doesn’t Look Good For Mike Pence

Delicious. Pence will now be petrified at the thought of everything he's said 'off the record' for two years being known; things he can recall, and things he can't. Even if it's a bluff by Mueller, Pence can't be sure. So good luck gambling with variations on the truth Mike.

I could honestly see the possibility (still pretty remote to be honest) of a president Pelosi at some point.

[quote] President Pelosi

Yes, please. Let's get on with it. About 10 million times better than the clown-car dumpster-fire that we have now.

Mr. Mueller, if you would, . . . .

If you think that the Republican leadership has not thought about a "President Pelosi" you are living in a bubble. They are terrified at the possibility and will do anything they can to prop Pence up. If Pence is dirty, they will force him out, and put one of their own in his place ASAP. There's no way they'd allow Pelosi to step in.

Piers Morgan for Chief of Staff? Really?

True, R366. But they have to do it (if they are going to do it), before January 3rd.

r367, Can a CoS be British? Is there any law that says they have to be an American?

Not that I think there's even a remote chance of this happening.

I think the ship has sailed to replace Pence. I think Pence will cut a deal with someone (Mueller?) to replace Trump and then be an obedient, spineless whimp who will reach over the aisle to appease Pelosi so the Democratic Party will not push to oust him out of fear of looking bad and vindictive (a narrative obviously spun by the Right Wing Media).

[quote] Can a CoS be British?

In a normal White House in a normal administration, you would have to be an American citizen in order to get your security clearance to work in the WH. And, the CoS would require the highest clearance since he or she gets to be involved with everything that goes into the president. Morgan is a British citizen, and even though GB is among our closest allies, it would generally be a very big problem.

However, under the Dotard, there are no rules and there are no standard operating procedures. It is whatever he wants at that particular moment. So, since tRump makes up his own rules, he could waive that one and grant Morgan the security clearance.

When Pence leaves office, he may have an opportunity in Hollywood staring as Bernie in another sequel to Weekend At Bernie's.

When Pence leaves office, he may have an opportunity in Hollywood staring as Bernie in another sequel to Weekend At Bernie's.

I heard that joke on MSNBC as well r372.

I don't understand the issue with the Russian whore. What the fuck could she influence? She's a fucking whore? They gonna take what she says seriously? I agree the guy she was fucking is vile, he was helping her, is he getting charged?

Isn't Cheeto angry with Pence, given how Pence didn't back him up at all in discussing the wall with Pelosi and Schumer?

I'd be furious. He's clearly not loyal and should be replaced in the 2020 election.

R375, she connects her marks with oligarchy MONEY. That's the source of the influence.

They should remake that Weekend With Bernie starting Pence!

[quote]I don't understand the issue with the Russian whore.

She was a conduit between the Russians and the NRA, helping to funnel dirty money to Republican politicians and campaigns.

"since he or she gets to be involved with everything that goes into the president"

I hope the judge gives weasel Flynn prison time, regardless--just for whining about how the FBI "tricked" him into lying.

R374 prisspot original; it was said by a guest from the Atlantic yesterday as MSNBC repeated an analogy of it this morning. It is not a copyright.

Girls, girls, you are ALL pretty.

R317 is correct. Of course no one wants to think they are brainwashed by propaganda.

Cohen get 36 months

A witch hunt huh? Guess Mueller's finding a lot of witches...

anyone else finding all these sentences to be light? Just 3 years? I know Cohen will get more time after the SDNY is done with him but still...

and Georgie Paps just 2 weeks?

Flynn might get 0 ?

That Dutch lawyer didn't get much time either

wait will Cohen get any more time for the other crimes he was involved in? Or 3 years for everything? If so that seems light

NONE of the charges related to Russia have been filed yet.....we will see this rogues gallery again.

Yes, 388. We're only in phase one.

Michael Cohen’s son is adorable!

These are white collar crimes supposedly without 'victims' who've suffered. Does no one think of the voting public who watched this charade unfold? Are we not suffering with this dotard's ignorant policies that dirty the air, water, and all sense of decency and civility? You're seeing white privilege in action here. People busted smoking pot get longer sentences.

they have to give light sentences or there would be no incentive to come forward. and we are a long way from over. Someone said people will be charged for years over the Trump presidency

I don't know, I wouldn't want to spend one hour in prison.

Will he go to a Club Fed prison or the place where Whitey Bulger died?

I understand the incentive to cooperate but I would think not cooperating would just result in a longer sentence. You shouldn't get off a HUGE amount of crime for being a criminal just because you fessed up after getting caught. I'd say they should cut off 1/4 to 1/3 the time only

*huge amount of time

R395 ...and it appears the judge has done just that: three years instead of four

No he is done. His Mueller sentence is served concurrently and it will be two months, otherwise he's done unless they find something new to charge him with. There is no parole in the federal system. But he can get out for good behavior. If he is lucky he can go to Pensacola Florida minimum security. These are white collar crimes. He can continue to cooperate and maybe get early release. He reports for Prison in March.2019. So he can now have his lawyers negotiate for where he will be sent. It is highly possible that his life is in danger and he is more vulnerable now.

Would someone kindly create a separate Cohen Sentencing thread. Thank you.

No, r398, he IS NOT done....unless he is completely innocent of any involvement in the Russia probe....NOTE: none of his, Flynns, Manaforts, etc charges are involving the Russia investigation.....there are plenty of charges he is still facing if Mueller charges him, and I suspect he will.

I'm with R390. Cohen's son joins Linda Tripp's son on the roster of hot sons of despicable political stooges.

I wonder what Trumps kids are thinking/feel right now.

R401 One photo does not prove anything! Need to see multiple shots to see how photogenic he actually is. Kind of like Jared, another son with a jailed daddy who looks good sometimes but not all the time.

Doesn't Cohen still face potential NY charges about the taxi medallions, or is that going to be treated like some administrative oversight on his part? I know it has something to do with unpaid taxes and when his office was raided earlier this year, it was supposed to be one of the things the FBI was looking for.

r404...different court....those are STATE charges.

That kid is handsome. No comparisons to the ugly vampire, Kushner are necessary here.

lol I can't @ Cohen's deep and long marionette lines. Permanent frown!

R402,

The end is nigh! The end is nigh at last!

:-)

R405

I know that - "NY charges" - but why was the FBI said to be interested? The only Federal part of it is presumably the unpaid taxes unless it was part of something (I dunno, interstate whatever, or bank or wire fraud?) charges the FBI was said to be looking into - the Febbies don't usually do the legwork on state crimes, do they?

Here's the winner for the "choices we make to go lower class" thread. This fool thought the dotard would pardon him right up to the last lie he told Mueller. He played a dangerous game and lost. Good. Bring on the rest - my personal favorite will be seeing Kushner go down.

Both Flynn and this one need to have their 'lock her up' tapes played on a loop for their entire imprisonment.

The son, Jake Cohen, goes to the U of Miami. Plenty of pix out there; look them up. I'm not going to link because it feels ... skeevy.

Did Michael Cohen fit his son with the proper-sized jockstrap? Just wonderin’.

Cohen's daughter was walking on two canes. Does she have some medical condition like MS or something?

who was the woman in crutches?

Gee, why did the whole family has to go? I wouldn't. these people have no shame.

He deserve more time, he filed fake paper work to get rid of rent regulated tenants so he can make more money with market rate tenants. He's a piece of shit! Jared and his bro did the same but were only fined.

Cohen has a total of about 2 million in fines and restitution to repay to the Feds and the state.

Jake Cohen will look even hotter in three years.

I like catching up on these threads while I'm taking my morning Trump. It makes the flush more satisfying.

[quote] Michael Cohen’s son is adorable!

That's Cohen's son? And I was wondering how many virgins had to bleed out to make Jared Kushner look this young? That and why Jared was in the picture in the first place?

Has Jake Cohen discovered yet how good prostate stimulation feels?

R385 The wife looks like hell.

What she thinking?

The wife is originally Ukrainian. Her father, Fima Shusterman, introduced Cohen to Trump in the first place. There's presumably a lot of sleaze in her family background (though no more so than in any of these crooks and oligarchs around Trump).

They won't reply the family leaving the courthouse, with their tear-stained faces...

So Cohen threatened to "destroy" journalists, right?

His wife is originally Ukrainian. Her father, Fima Shusterman, introduced Cohen to Trump. There's presumably a lot of sleaze in her family background, though no more so than in any of these crooks and oligarchs around Trump.

Danny Cevallos on MSNBC is really cute. Swarthy hottie.

Breaking! Non-prosecution agreement reached with American Media Inc! Trump is fucked

so AMI is backing up Michael Cohen's claim that the payments to the women were for election purposes

so Pecker agrees to tell EVERYTHING so he doesn't get prosecuted himself

John Edwards defense GONE

American Media owns US Weekly, as well. Boycott.

Cohen: "Recently the president tweeted a statement calling me weak and it was correct but for a much different reason than he was implying. It was because time and time again i felt it was my duty to cover up his dirty deeds."

Huge new developments every fucking day. Wowwww. Things are MOVING.

WOWOWOWOW.

Letitia don't play.

Nice she is investigating, but why is this only happening now? The Trump family's shady business practices go back decades. Who has been paid off all these years to prevent anyone into their numerous crooked deals?

Notice nobody even bothers to argue Trump is innocent anymore. They just fall back on the same 2 talking points, the President can't be indicted and/or X is not a crime.

r437....Cyrus Vance, Jr.

Cohen is mob connected. How he is able to survive by being a lawyer to just 1 client is beyond me.

Trump was an idiot to run for POTUS. He 's put himself and everybody around him under the microscope.

Betcha he won't be referring to Attorney General James as "low IQ!"

R438 here's the newest one...I saw a clip from Fox last night...repubs are now trying to argue "why are only repubs being targeted? What about Tony Podesta's work in Ukraine? What about Steele lying to Congress? What about Steele not registering as a foreign agent? What about the Steele dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign?"

They're trying to do the "it's the same on both sides" BULLSHIT argument. Ain't NOTHING the same on both sides but for casual news viewers, it's easy to fall for the false equivalences. The repubs are SHAMELESS in their constant attempts to attack Democrats, even when it's the repubs who are committing crimes

Memba this? Oh, the irony!

R441 He didn't run to win, just to up his profile and get a better TV deal.

He was as surprised on Election Night as everyone else was.

R440: Attorney Cohen represented one other client: Sean Hannity.

I don't buy this "he didn't run to win".

R428, Danny is hot but he is very robotic and humorless in his msnbc appearances. Clearly knows the law backwards and forwards, but I don’t think he’s ever cracked a smile or even laughed on air. He looks like he doesn’t have private parts and has never cum.

R447 Exactly. Why bother to collude with Russia if he didn't want to win? At some point he saw the people are dumb enough to respond to his MAGA nonsense and he doubled down with the Russians to win!

r445....STOP PERPETUATING THAT BULLSHIT. Trump knew he would win...the Russians knew he would win...Putin would not risk playing the games he did if there was no payoff in the end....and that payoff was sanctions. There was no way he would get them if Clinton won. Your thinking is at best naive.

I agree with R447. He would not have run unless they could guarantee he'd win.

r446....dont forget about Elliot Broidy.

R449 What Trump thought was once he won he could corrupt the government further to kill any investigation into his Russian collusion and any crimes in his past. He thought wrong!

I really believe he regrets running.

I fucking love today. More more more!!!

Remember when all this broke with Cohen, and that video of him that day, walking out of his building, down the streets of NY, where he joined a group of men at some sidewalk cafe? They seemed to be waiting for him. And one or two of them were identified as being Russian mobsters?

Trump's personal history and his philosophy fit in too perfectly with Putin's larger strategy. Trump was their guy going back to at least 2007. Putin never wanted Hillary and thought she might win in 2008. Then Obama got the nomination against McCain...who Putin also hated. But Obama chose Hillary as his SoS and that told Putin exactly what to expect. LOL!

R448: There is very little to smile about. See, Chuck Rosenberg, Clint Watts, et al; these guys are serious as cancer.

The SDNY obviously isn’t fucking around. They’ve obviously been chomping at the bit to get Trump for years and now they’ve GOT HIM.

After corrupting the GOP, Trump thought it would be simple to corrupt the government. Trump never worked in the government and probably thought it was like a corporation where he could do anything as the "boss". But the government bureaucracy has its own set of rules and defense mechanism. While it could tolerate a certain level of corruption, the heavy-handed and clumsy way Trump went about it caused a backlash that is coming back to send them all to jail! It's time to lock'em all up!

Nicole Wallace smiles a lot.

R239 - Love Adam Schiff!

A couple months ago a federal prosecutor on 1 of the news shows was asked about Trump was never prosecuted years ago. He said something like "no one reported him". The government can't just decide to go after someone out of the blue because it would seem political.

Trump is awfully quiet. Is he constipated? Cutting his veins in a warm bath?

so the real question is, why and how were so many people Trump screwed over over the years so quiet? Were they really that afraid of him? It's odd

R463 so if I cheat on my income tax and no one reports me I can get away with it? No. The fact is, Trump got away with a lot because of corruption . The State of NY, and Florida and several other places where Trump literally bribed or threatened his way out of facing the consequences for his actions all need to investigate why he seemed to get away with it.

Can Pam Bondi be brought down for anything in connection to Trump? Like, taking a bribe maybe? I want that cunt ruined.

R443, Tony Podesta is a Republican, despite being John Podesta's brother. Christopher Steele is a foreign agent, a British national who formerly worked for MI6.

The Fox News queries don't make any sense.

I don't buy the "Trump didn't want to win" bs either. And I was not surprised that he won, given his campaign, the media and the FBI did everything to weigh down Hillary Clinton's candidacy.

Why don’t more people talk about the Sean Hannoty connection. That should be front and center. At least now it should. It’s his turn

Any guesses as to what he hired Cohen for? Does it have anything to do with rumorored sightings at gay clubs in Atlanta? Maybe try paid off his tricks.

We need to know.

What I will concede is that Trump didn't know WHAT he was winning. Knowing nothing of how our government works, Trump thought he was running to be King. That's where the dissonance exists. He wanted to win - the throne!

R466 I'm with you. That was just what the attorney said. There are people who cheat on taxes for years though without getting caught or only get caught a long time after.

R467 hopefully but unfortunately Florida has stayed republican after the midterms so she might be safe

[R463] "so if I cheat on my income tax and no one reports me I can get away with it?"

You can and I suspect that to a greater or lesser degree most of us have. And most of us have never been and never will get caught.

It's not quite the LAST MIDNIGHT ... but it feels like it.

R468 they don't make sense if you are thoroughly following the news. Unfortunately a lot of people (and anyone who primarily relies on Fox "News") aren't going to know all the details so it's easy for Fox hosts and commentators to conflate issues and lie. Another example is how they keep trying to make it seem like it's the same thing for the Trump campaign to have help from Russia as it is for the Clinton campaign to hire an American research firm who then hired Steele to get info in Russia. The key is that the Clinton campaign was not in contact with Steele or his intelligence assets in Russia. Repubs can whine all they want, but the Clinton campaign followed the rules. The only reason why they got dirt on Trump in Russia is because there was dirt on him in that country. There was no reason for the Trump campaign to get info on Clinton from the Russians. They stole emails

R444: that entire screen shot should be tattooed on Cohen's torso while he is in prison.

R470 if there's 1 person I want to go down badly, it's fucking Hannity. I do have a hope that the incoming NY AG will be investigating. I'm sure he was doing something illegal with Cohen. Mueller obviously wouldn't handle anything about Hannity unless he was involved in the Russia case. We do know Hannity and Assange liked to dm each other on twitter so he may have been investigated for that but no news on it yet.

Did Hannity connect Assange with Roger Stone? Wow, I can totally see that!

[quote] I want that cunt ruined.

Oh honey, it is.

I love this thread, but I hate seeing it in the main page because of Butina's disgusting mug.

Listen, I've had dealings with the IRS off and on for many years. Believe me. They scan and re-check and flag certain accounts and monitor them. Trump has probably been flagged by the IRS and has kept them tied up in court. The thing I learned was that the clock is still running, so the interest and penalties pile up even as you protest, contest and use gimmicks and regulations. With the wealthy, they believe that some jive ass civil servant making $50,000 at the IRS will be no match for their $1,000 an hour CPAs and Tax attorneys. After observing "dealmaker" Trump, I've decided that at a certain point, paying lawyers and accountants and watching his penalties and interest pile up on his debt, at some point he has his attorney negotiate a settlement and he pays. But the IRS won't settle for less. They might waive a portion of your penalties but you will pay...with interest.

Butina is a putana.

I need me some Cohen/ Pecker tweets from Donny. Did he (hopefully), off himself?

R466, it doesn't necessarily have to be corruption that let Trump get away with so much (although I'm sure that's part of it). The IRS has been stealthy declawed to the benefit of the wealthy AND devotes a disproportionate amount of its resources to going after middle class and low income taxpayers.

It's as much a deliberate structural problem designed to benefit the wealthy as it is outright corruption.

"Corporations and the wealthy are the biggest beneficiaries of the IRS’ decay. Most Americans’ interaction with the IRS is largely automated. But it takes specialized, well-trained personnel to audit a business or a billionaire or to unravel a tax scheme — and those employees are leaving in droves and taking their expertise with them. For the country’s largest corporations, the danger of being hit with a billion-dollar tax bill has greatly diminished. For the rich, who research shows evade taxes the most, the IRS has become less and less of a force to be feared.

The story has been different for poor taxpayers. The IRS oversees one of the government’s largest anti-poverty programs, the earned income tax credit, which provides cash to the working poor. Under continued pressure from Republicans, the IRS has long made a priority of auditing people who receive that money, and as the IRS has shrunk, those audits have consumed even more resources, accounting for 36 percent of audits last year. The credit’s recipients — whose annual income is typically less than $20,000 — are now examined at rates similar to those who make $500,000 to $1 million a year. Only people with incomes above $1 million are examined much more frequently."

I believe Trump was Putin's asset right from the start. Putin told him to run and let Manafort be his day-to-day handler. Trump obliged because he's Putin's bitch (money laundering? owing Putin and Russia a lot of money or other favors?). To some degree I believe Trump deliberately tried to sabotage his own election campaign by being as much of an asshole as possible to lose and then tell Putin "well, I tried but it wasn't supposed to be. Oh, well.". But he didn't count on Putin being much more active and turn the election in Trump's (really Putin's own) favor. And Trump knew that he'd have to do things for Putin while being POTUS (and he might as well take advantage from his new position for as long as possible).

So Butina funneled Russian money to the GOP through the NRA, right? That’s what we’re gonna find out?

[quote]He would not have run unless they could guarantee he'd win.

The truth in that just made me shiver.

R486, yes, it does look that way.

In Dump's latest attempt to deflect news, he is attempting to deport those who sought asylum from Vietnam.. These people have been living their lives in the US for+/- 40 years!

Will this be the first USA President to go to prison?

Sought asylum from Vietnam?

Shouldn't he being with HIMSELF? r489

Shouldn't he BEGIN with HIMSELF?

There is truly no limit to Trump's hypocrisy.

[quote] I believe Trump deliberately tried to sabotage his own election campaign by being as much of an asshole as possible to lose and then tell Putin "well, I tried but it wasn't supposed to be.

Umm, Trump doesn't need to try to be an asshole. He just is one. This comes naturally for him. He acutally benefited from all the crazy %^$# he said during the campaign. He was not trying to lose.

It will never happen -- since we want to maintain the bullshit that "You can grow up to be president!" -- but I'd love a minimum qualifications amendment added to the Constitution.

He’ll try a Windrush thing like what happened in the UK earlier this year.

His behavior is unparalleled in its hideousness.

How was Butina able to carry, and travel, around with so much cash (if all she did was hand out cash money to avoid it being tracked) undetected for such a long time? Who helped her entering the US countless of times with so much cash without getting caught at the border control? Or why wasn't she flagged taking so much cash out of various bank accounts to hand it over to NRA and government officials? No way was this a "one woman" operation.

CNN: "Russia accuses U.S. of torturing accused spy Maria Butina." Cause if there's one nation that knows about torturing ...

Yes, tortured by being placed into solitary confinement where the other AMERICAN prisoners can't get to that cunt.

Is torcher vearing ugly urnj gulag pants. Bad feshn and making wageenie itch. :(

I’d love to torture Butina. God, she’s hideous.

It's the sort of face you want to slap right off.

That fug Butin must've provide some really sick service to be that alluring to these cretins. Did she do scat or crush animals with her feet?

Maria Butina is a fucking drama queen cunt who needs to be in solitary confinement for a number of years. I don’t trust that whore to be negotiating in good faith for a plea deal.

Those old frogs at the NRA? They wouldn't care. As a lot of straight men tell me: 'just put a bag over her face....'

[quote]10/ Whatever the fuck Lindsey Graham did, I hope it was worth it, because he couldn’t be more of a Russian puppet if Putin’s fist was up his ass.

I do wonder WEHT "we don't negotiate with terrorists"? All these Republican senators let themselves get bribed and blackmailed into submission. For shame. Not a single one of them stepped forward and announced "I am not going to be Putin's bitch! I come forward and whatever happens, happens!". All cowards.

Are we sure this is not the Hannah Mouncey thread?

R485 is right. There are thousands of white-collar criminals of Trump's ilk around the country. Everybody knows they employ crooked practices -- local media know it, local law enforcement knows it, the IRS knows it. (See also: Paul Manafort.) It just takes a lot of time and effort to go after people who have the resources to fight it. Much easier to nab a blue-collar guy who collected unemployment while being paid under the table or a small businessman who funneled too many private purchases through his company. You can get 100s of arrests and convictions of these guys in the time it takes to get one against a Trump. DAs and other public officials want to rack up big numbers of convictions to bolster their reelection campaigns, they're not motivated by justice.

Maria better start naming some names soon.

Piers Morgan made a £10, 000 bet on Twitter to somebody that Trump will be re-elected in 2020.

Good thing Morgan has disposable income.

Morgan is a piece of shit and always has been.

R507 I do wonder WEHT "we don't negotiate with terrorists"?

You forgot the unsaid portion: "unless they give us money or help us win elections."

Oh please. Cohen doing "dirty deeds" that what lawyers do! He's talking like he was led astray LOL. please, get real, he's only talking coz he was caught. He's lowest of the low. 3 years is not enough for him!

I still want to know what Cohen helped Hannity with.

He must know the fix is in. He doesn’t have that kind of dough. He’s a U.K. version of Kathy Lee.

The Navy admiral in charge of operations in the Middle East was found dead in his home in Bahrain on December 1.

His death has been labeled a suicide. There's probably a *lot* more to this story...

==========

The admiral overseeing American naval operations in the Middle East and Southwest Asia was found dead in Bahrain on Saturday, the Navy said.

The officer, Vice Adm. Scott A. Stearney, was found in his residence in Bahrain, Adm. John M. Richardson, the chief of naval operations, said in a statement, noting that no foul play was suspected. The Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Bahraini Ministry of Interior are cooperating on the investigation, Admiral Richardson said.

I loathe Morgan, R516, but he DOES have that dough. He makes over a million £ a year on Good Morning, Britain.

That goes to show you anybody can be famous.

Holy shit @ r517.

Is that an American admiral? It wouldn’t be the first one who was involved in some shady business.

They rounded a few up in 2013 that were up to no good.

Did he "accidentally" fall of a 60 story building?

*off

There's so much coming at us.... I can't keep up.

With Maria now, "cooperating," who can she be expected to take down?

Hahaha, the FBI nailed James Wolfe by bringing him in for an interview and downloading the contents of his cell phone during the interview!

And with everything that has been coming at us all I hear from Deplorables I know is, "Yeah, but still none of it involves Bone Spurs."

R525 what about Cohen stating that Dotard directed him to break campaign finance laws?

Give up on the deplorables, they are hopeless. Trump publicly said he could shoot someone and they wouldn't turn on him and they proudly agreed.

If by chance you encounter one who has seen the light, give them a little pat on the head and move on because it's only a matter of time before they do something stupid again anyway.

Here's a better link for story about the admiral who committed 'suicide'.

When you bring up how Cohen said Bone Spurs was involved all they say is, "Well, he's a known liar and he's just trying to get a lighter sentence. No proof. He's a liar."

And that's how it's going to go.

They're fucking deranged and they're hopeless.

[quote]If by chance you encounter one who has seen the light, give them a little pat on the head and move on because it's only a matter of time before they do something stupid again anyway.

Seriously. They're like goldfish. No memory.

No memory except for remembering to parrot,

"But Hillary..."

Is it just me or do Rethugs not really seemed bothered or don't seem to care about Democrats taking the House in Jan?

Democrat Rep. @tedlieu: “Michael Cohen specifically says that Donald Trump directed him to make these campaign finance payments. That means we have a person sitting in the White House right now who is essentially an unindicted co-conspirator.”

.@RepAdamSchiff tells @CNN that the House Intel Committee is already in touch with Cohen’s lawyer about bringing him in to testify, potentially before he begins his prison sentence in March.

They literally have no shame.

I love Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff, and Pelosi.

R537 add Maxine Waters to that list.

I've been trying to catch up on these threads. Thanks everyone for all of your posts. You all have seriously helped me keep some of my sanity.

R532, they care. They're just amazing at concealing their feelings.

I can't decide who I want to go down next. Pence, Kushner, Ghouliani...

I would really love to see Ryan and Turtle go down as well.

Pence has already taken many turns going down.

Feelings? Those fuckers have no feelings. I think they're all at home typing up their laundry list of excuses and accusations for when we come at them with multiple investigations into their bullshit....like Nunes for one. That little weasel deserves censure.

Nick Ayers - I want him exposed too. How the hell is he worth that much money?

Thanks, R543 you just reminded me about Nunes. HE'S the one I want to be sent to prison next.

R532, they care. But everything must be spun as a GOP win and a Dem loss (or "disarray"). They're strategizing already about spinning everything come Jan. 3 as the Dems fault.

Yeah, R546 I just always assume they don't care because they know they're going to get away with whatever illegal fucking thing they decide to do.

r497, groupons and gift cards.

It's always struck me as funny how much Butina got around. A lot of men really are desperate because she looks like a toe.

What I think is funny and telling is that they knew to go after Republicans. It's like everyone but Deplorables know they're souless, money grabbing, immoral fuckers.

And yeah, Butina looks like a man. Maybe all Rethugs really are self-hating, closet cases.

Holy shit they’re dragging Miss Russian Spy Cunt in to court tomorrow.

Yes, I imagine Put Put's words are as trusthworthy as Dotard's.

Putin says he doesn't know her, so, you know, case closed?

[quote]—DJT, who takes no crap from anyone!

Unless they're Russian.

And Hookers.

And in a bed in a bugged hotel room.

Fake news! R559. That was pee, not scat.

That's what you think, R560.

The Schadenfreude over Cohen's tweet is delicious!

Orange reminds me of someone who would delight in sitting in a diaper filled with his own shit.

R562 between him and Flynn... it really does tell you everything you need to know. Rethugs and the like always project and accuse others of exactly what they are doing. They can't help but tell on themselves.

And yes, it's delicious they got theirs.

People in paper houses shouldn't throw stones at people in brick houses.

I like to think Hillary has having the biggest fucking laugh and enjoying the fuck out of these fuckers getting exposed.

But then I think about who she is and she's probably more concerned with what's going on with the country.

Nevertheless, she laughed her ass off.

Butina who?

Have people flooded Cohen's twitter feed with, "Lock Him Up?"

They look like the same person.

Do Ivanka's kids have her original nose or has she taken care of that already?

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He's confusing "revolt," with "will have one major fucking party."

r575, 4 years? Seems reasonable.

She needs to groom a possible successor during that time too.

More of these two fuckers.

R573, only after she rebuilt her face.

Isn't Comey supposed to go through another interrogation this week?

R580 Jesus she was a dog.

Im surprised Orange would touch her with her original face. Did they only start their affair after her facial reconstruction?

Question: It's obvious Trump, Pence and an increasing number of Republicans/complicit Americans are screwed. What I'm wondering is, will there be repercussion for Russia? I guess we won't know that until January, but have there been inclinations? More sanctions, maybe?

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Honestly, R584 I'm more concerned with the repercussions for the traitors of this country. They're so used to getting away with all the shit they do that they still think they're going to get away with it.

Bajour!

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Talk about punchable faces.

What has been going on with Avenatti?

I haven't paid attention to what's been going on with Avenatti and the abuse allegations. Did he ever prove his innocence?

Either way it certainly made interest in him fizzle out.

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Never mind. We’re doing just fine.

(And guys; it’s big. It’s really really big)

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