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Conspiracy Theories

Do you believe or wonder about any of them?

by Anonymousreply 19603/14/2019

No, I don't.

by Anonymousreply 111/25/2018

You'd have to be a kooky conspiracy theorist to think that a group of Senators conspired to assassinate Julius Caesar.

by Anonymousreply 211/25/2018

Whether we made it to the moon or not, I doubt we had the capacity to get filmed images in another climate/environment like that (film was and is soooo sensitive). So I absolutely believe Stanley Kubrick was hired to film fake footage to cover our government's ass. And this indoctrinated him into a weird world of the elite, a subject he thoroughly explored in his later films Barry Lyndon, Eyes Wide Shut, and his coded confession film, The Shining. (all the parts King didn't like were Kubrick's confession)

by Anonymousreply 311/25/2018

What are the most accepted ones?

by Anonymousreply 411/25/2018

I do believe some. I think the use of Crisis Actors makes people believe odd conspiracies even more. The Newton School Massacre, for example, I'm sure really happened. But, it was odd, and the use of those crisis actors simply flamed conspiracy theorists.

Watching "Robby Parker" get into character was disturbing

by Anonymousreply 511/25/2018

Go away R5. You are beyond stupid.

I believe in Occam’s Razor. I do believe that we don’t have the full story about the Las Vargas shootings though.

by Anonymousreply 611/25/2018

Conspiracy theories are for the gullible and weak-minded, along with astrology, the paranormal, tarot cards, etc etc etc. There's far too much of that shit posted here.

by Anonymousreply 711/25/2018

Yes, R5 - that is freaky. I remember that one.

R6 - why the anger? Weirdo.

by Anonymousreply 811/25/2018

Exactly R7.

by Anonymousreply 911/25/2018

No anger R8 but people who mention “crisis actors” are gullible morons.

by Anonymousreply 1011/25/2018

R10 then why are you in this thread? Intelligence doesn't seem to be your strong suit, either.

by Anonymousreply 1111/25/2018

Working link...

by Anonymousreply 1211/25/2018

Because I like to be contrary. Why do you care? More importantly, why do you believe Alex Jones type nonsense?

by Anonymousreply 1311/25/2018

Why I certainly believe in conspiracy theories, and so should you!

by Anonymousreply 1411/25/2018

I like thinking about them, and I know some stories are certainly not truly as they are told. BUT, a lot of conspiracy theorists do go way too far.

People who blindly accept the news / events only as they are told are quite unintelligent.

People who take things way too far into conspiracy land need help.

by Anonymousreply 1511/25/2018

R13 who said anything about Alex Jones?

by Anonymousreply 1611/25/2018

Alex Jones is the crisis actor believer and pushed it big time. That’s why he was brought up.

by Anonymousreply 1711/25/2018

I don't believe most of the conspiracy theories I hear, but I'm also open to not believing everything I read/see as unquestionable fact, either. You can't watch the R5 video and not think something is fishy - unless you're an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 1811/25/2018

The thing is, one really can't talk sense into conspiracy theory believers. It's not just that they are moronic, but:

1) They don't really believe in or understand rationality, logic and reason. Any possible explanation for something has the same weight. 2) Belief in conspiracy theories tends to be self-reinforcing, because the believers feel that they have special knowledge that makes them smarter than others (who are frequently referred to as "sheeple").

Since they can't be reasoned with, their madness just needs to be shut down at every opportunity.

by Anonymousreply 1911/25/2018

The thing is, one really can't talk sense into people who believe everything they read/hear and take it as unquestionable fact. It's not just that they are moronic, but:

1) They don't really believe in or understand that not all events are black and white. Any possible explanation other than what they've been told simply can't be true. 2) Belief in black and white, unquestionable truths tend to be self-reinforcing, because the believers feel that they have factual knowledge that makes them smarter than others (who are frequently referred to as "sheeple"). It allows them to not have to think, and just accept information easily.

Since they can't be reasoned with, their madness just needs to be questioned at every opportunity.

by Anonymousreply 2011/25/2018

I think the term "conspiracy theory" has gotten very muddled over time.

(like my tan)

by Anonymousreply 2111/25/2018

No one believes everything they read but delving into fantasy doesn’t help you either.

The simplest explanation is usually the truth. There was no conspiracy surrounding children being slaughtered. A psycho with a gun killed them.

by Anonymousreply 2211/25/2018

Indeed R21. Perhaps it should just be referred to as "magical thinking".

by Anonymousreply 2311/25/2018

[quote]Conspiracy theories are for the gullible and weak-minded, along with astrology, the paranormal, tarot cards, etc etc etc. There's far too much of that shit posted here.

Believing the talking heads on TV who are paid millions to lie to you in an authoritative manner is for the gullible and weak-minded.

"Saddam Hussein's vast arsenal of WMDs will lead to mushroom clouds in our cities unless you allow the Neo-cons to invade Iraq!" Remember that whopper? It cost us trillions and we lost Iraq.

by Anonymousreply 2411/25/2018

Belief in CTers is a rabbit hole that is so dangerous it does leave you more and more vulnerable.

I don't think any of us believe everything we hear as absolute fact. I think it is healthy to be skeptical but CTers are so unhealthy.

by Anonymousreply 2511/25/2018

It really puzzles me how we have no problem accepting that people can take advantage of a situation for gain just because they are in the right place at the right time, or have some advantage over others (strength, intelligence, sex appeal, etc.), however, we cannot believe that this shell game could be executed on a grander scale, or that like minded opportunists never throw each other a bone.

What really solidified it for me was my affiliation with a frat in college. I quit after a year, but you would not believe the offers I have received from my brothers over the years. I worked my ass off to get where I am, but I have no doubt this casual association way back when has served me well professionally and socially. So what does that mean for the average Joe on here, who believes hard wirk and perseverance are the way to go?

by Anonymousreply 2611/25/2018

"Saddam Hussein's vast arsenal of WMDs will lead to mushroom clouds in our cities unless you allow the Neo-cons to invade Iraq!" Remember that whopper? It cost us trillions and we lost Iraq.

And no one with an intellect believed it.

by Anonymousreply 2711/25/2018

Scientific method requires questioning everything that cannot be proven absolutely. If we really went to the moon, there is nothing wrong in questioning every aspect of the Apollo Project with a skeptical eye. Truth does not fear discovery. It is right to want to ask questions. It is wrong to say "shut up and believe what you're told."

by Anonymousreply 2811/25/2018

It's dangerous to believe that only logic and reason should be used to explain anything. I say that because there are far too many humans who do things for reasons that are not logical or reasonable to a majority of individuals. Look at what is happening in our government. Look at what is happening to our world. We are facing extinction level events yet business and politics go on as usual, that is not logical or rational and it involves the richest and most powerful people on the planet.

So for these times that we live in now isn't it smarter to consider things outside what rational people would do and instead contemplate the insane power hungry greedy personality and how it might act?

by Anonymousreply 2911/25/2018

R26 that’s not a conspiracy, it is a fraternal bond which is why fraternities exist. Of course, they help each other out.

Nothing sinister.

by Anonymousreply 3011/25/2018

[quote]And no one with an intellect believed it.

True but the liars at the NY Times and the Washington Post and CNN and NBC News and all the other Mainstream Media outlets carried the day with their lies. Thousands of US soldiers were killed and thousands more maimed and injured as a direct result of the lies over WMDs.

by Anonymousreply 3111/25/2018

r30 you are so cute. I want to pinch your cheeks.

by Anonymousreply 3211/25/2018

I’d get my news from other sources R31. Not saying you should listen to off the wall shit on YouTube but there are good, unbiased outlets that report truth without delving into conspiracy fantasies.

Anyway, enough of the frau bait.

by Anonymousreply 3311/25/2018

Do you mean "outlandish, impossible theories"? Or "conspiracy theories"? Because a conspiracy theory is, literally, a theory that some people conspired together under cover of secrecy for one reason or another.

In other words, the official version of the 9-11 events is a conspiracy theory. So is most of what happens in politics.

Conspiracies happen every day. Especially since that idiot in the White House got "elected."

by Anonymousreply 3411/25/2018

R24, surely you realize that the fact that we were lied to about Saddam doesn't make everything in the news false, nor does it lend any credence to conspiracy theories/magical thinking. It really doesn't follow. I don't even see how you make the connection. No one is telling you to believe everything you hear, only to assess information with reason, rationality and logic.

To quote the old saw, you are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

by Anonymousreply 3511/25/2018

Was there an official explanation about that Noah Pozner kid, a victim at Sandy Hook and at a Pakistani school shooting ? It wasn’t discussed much over here in Europe, so that remains a mystery for me.

by Anonymousreply 3611/25/2018

Again, if you go down the rabbit hole of CTers you are setting up a very unhealthy mental health spiral. Be skeptical but stay away from CTers and especially the shit on YT. Those people get lots of $$$$$ to peddle that shit and make it look convincing. They hook you and it leads to more and more CTers and before you know it, you mind is rot and you can't discern any fact from fiction.

Skepticism is good. There is nothing wrong with suspecting the Russians hacked our election because there are real facts to back that up. But I always hold the notion they may not have changed votes.

by Anonymousreply 3711/25/2018

Some of the ones I followed on Art Bell in the 90s were true: CIA drug trafficking/propping up dictators in other countries. Gary Hart being set up. Pharmaceutical fuckery. I am still fascinated at the speed with which marijuana is being accepted, and any medicalization for life situation (over prescription/creating new "need" for profit).

I do not believe the crisis actor shit.

by Anonymousreply 3811/25/2018

One of the main reasons the DC insiders and their buddies in the Mainstream Media are so determined to stop Trump is that Trump and the NSA have gone to war with the CIA to bring down rings of human traffickers that have been operating globally for decades. Elite insiders are desperate to stop Trump to avoid being exposed as pedophiles and worse.

Human trafficking is big money. Victims are abused ritualistically and their blood is a coveted substance. A lot of people achieve power by joining cabals that practice ritual abuse. Everyone within the cabal is subject to blackmail of course. This is how those at the top control the lower-tier members.

by Anonymousreply 3911/25/2018

I should have added that I can't engage with the current pet conspiracy theories, and the "deep state", "5-d chess", "false flaggotry", info-warsy reddity online forums discussing.

by Anonymousreply 4011/25/2018

Did we ever find out what the Vegas shooting was all about? It really disappeared fast with no follow up.

by Anonymousreply 4111/25/2018

[quote]Human trafficking is big money. Victims are abused ritualistically and their blood is a coveted substance. A lot of people achieve power by joining cabals that practice ritual abuse.

Aaaand here’s D-R.

by Anonymousreply 4211/25/2018

Nothing to see there, R41. Only a tinhat-wearing loony would ask questions about the mass shooting in Las Vegas that still remains unsolved. The MSM are more concerned about a Deep State spy who got killed in Saudi Arabia. What are the lives of fifty or so average Americans compared to the death of one valuable intelligence asset?

by Anonymousreply 4311/25/2018

r39 That was either great satire or your a fucking loony ass nutjob. If ANYONE is into human trafficking, it is Pres Bone Spurs.

by Anonymousreply 4411/25/2018

R43 is unwittingly aiding and abetting ritual abuse by scoffing at it. Human trafficking is big business and it is one reason why unscrupulous politicians fight for open borders.

by Anonymousreply 4511/25/2018

R41 it did get shut down quickly. I think he left a manifesto and the powers that be don’t want to release it.

by Anonymousreply 4611/25/2018

[quote]If ANYONE is into human trafficking, it is Pres Bone Spurs.

You could not be more wrong. Time will tell. The Podestas are panicking, the Trumps are not.

by Anonymousreply 4711/25/2018

R30, you completely miss the point. What I am pointing out is that people use manipulation all the time to change the narrative to benefit their agenda. I was simply using fraternities as an example of how a group could be used as a tool to acheive an end. Let's say you knew nothing about the existence of fraternities. Now let's say you were the best candidate for a Chief Officer position at your firm, but unbeknownst to you, all of the people who in the selection process were brothers, and they offered the job to a fellow brother who was obviously unqualified? You might think something nefarious was going on, but having no understanding of the concept of fraternities, you would be left in the dark. It wouldn't even occur to you that this is what is happening right under your nose.

by Anonymousreply 4811/25/2018

There is no ritual abuse FFS. Human trafficking, yes, but your claim is a reminder of the Satanic panic of the 80’s.

by Anonymousreply 4911/25/2018

A couple decades ago I was living on the wrong side of the law. I knew several of the people being arrested and reported on the news. Watching how the news reports things compared to reality was an eye opener. It's not so much that they lie outright, although I've seen that as well, they obscure the truth in a way that is very difficult to prove otherwise, particularly by people who were actually there because those people were "criminals" and therefore to be disregarded.

by Anonymousreply 5011/25/2018

[quote]One of the main reasons the DC insiders and their buddies in the Mainstream Media are so determined to stop Trump is that Trump and the NSA have gone to war with the CIA to bring down rings of human traffickers that have been operating globally for decades. Elite insiders are desperate to stop Trump to avoid being exposed as pedophiles and worse.

Uh-huh. We've hashed this one out. Trump isn't doing anything more on this than his predecessors have. In fact, he's doing less.

by Anonymousreply 5111/25/2018

R47, you outed yourself as a troll.

Oh, and Dumpy is in a panic.

by Anonymousreply 5211/25/2018

Pres Bone Spurs is the biggest human trafficker around. He has been diddling little girls forever or so I've heard.

by Anonymousreply 5311/25/2018

[quote]You could not be more wrong. Time will tell. The Podestas are panicking, the Trumps are not.

LOL.... Oh, it's you. So how did that QAnon big reveal in August work out for you? Oh, wait ... nothing happened. Again.

by Anonymousreply 5411/25/2018

r47 was born to be blocked.

by Anonymousreply 5511/25/2018

Andrew Breitbart was murdered for publicly calling out John Podesta as a "world-class cover-upper" of human trafficking back in 2011. You may not take Breitbart seriously as a journalist but he took himself seriously. He would not have libeled John Podesta and he would not have made that accusation publicly without evidence. Breitbart indicated that it was pretty much common knowledge among DC insiders that Podesta was involved up to his eyeballs in human trafficking. .

by Anonymousreply 5611/25/2018

From a prior QAnon thread:

[quote]Look for massive pedo busts by FBI prior to Nov elections. NSA monitoring many gay porn sites . Gay Kristallnacht is coming. Be careful where you click.

by Anonymousreply 5711/25/2018

[quote]born to be blocked.

That is a compliment. Thank you. Your need to block me tells me that I am right and you are worried.

by Anonymousreply 5811/25/2018

I hate when potentially fun and interesting conversations derail.

by Anonymousreply 5911/25/2018

More from our QAnon idiots:

[quote]NSA is the heart of the Q team. Q is fewer than 10 people and most are military. They have been watching the Luciferian, child-raping cabal at work for decades. Trump is the man they recruited to put an end to it.

by Anonymousreply 6011/25/2018

I agree. Blocked. I can put up with some nonsense but not this troll’s utter shit.

by Anonymousreply 6111/25/2018

From September:

[quote]For years the Deep State players were under the false impression (deliberately created ) that their methods of communication were safe from the surveillance tactics of the NSA. The true patriots at the NSA allowed them to go on thinking this for years while they gathered mountains of evidence that will now be used against them. The NSA has disabled the Deep State's spy satellite network. All the Presidential attendees of McCain's funeral are plotting their next move. Meanwhile their every move is being monitored by the NSA while their own "eyes in the sakies" spying tech has been rendered inoperative. They are fucked and they know it. You will know it soon. A cabal of globalist pedophiles is being brought to justice in real time. WWG1WGA.

"Soon" apparently has a different definition for our residents nutcases.

by Anonymousreply 6211/25/2018

I blocked the loony Pres Bone Spurs (biggest human trafficker) defending troll.

You know when they project something onto the left THEY are doing the very thing they accuse those on the left of doing. Pedos and human traffickers are prolific on the right.

by Anonymousreply 6311/25/2018

Block, bar, censor, ban.

You can't argue facts, so you resort to protecting your own willful ignorance by creating an echo chamber of nodding ninnies.

by Anonymousreply 6411/25/2018

We can't see you anymore troll. Buh-Bye

by Anonymousreply 6511/25/2018

I posted above that the conspiracy believers where impervious to reason. Well, QED.

by Anonymousreply 6611/25/2018

It’s scary that there are people that actually believe in elaborate pedo rings using blood and that Dumpy is going to be the savior. He’s a child rapist himself.

by Anonymousreply 6711/25/2018

No, he is not, R67. John and Tony Podesta murdered Madelynn McCann.

by Anonymousreply 6811/25/2018

r67 He openly lusts after underage girls. Yet he is going to be their savior! Bwhahahahahahhahaahahhaaha yea so he can have them all to himself!

by Anonymousreply 6911/25/2018

[quote]You can't argue facts

Do let us know when you're ready to provide some, won't you?

by Anonymousreply 7011/25/2018

Hey Q Troll, we can't see you anymore. We blocked you! You lost your power!

by Anonymousreply 7111/25/2018

From August 4th, on a typical QAnon thread, possibly by the same loon on this thread:

[quote]The Great Awakening is upon us. This thread is proof of that. The Q Anon movement just went mainstream via the Tampa rally. Every MSM outlet in the nation that had been ignoring Q up until then was forced to run a Q-bashing story this week. The Streisand Effect is kicking in big-time. Millions of Americans are being red-pilled as we speak. The more they wrongly characterize Q Anon, the more "woke" the public is growing.

[quote]The whole point of Q operating only on 8chan is to get out the word about the Trump team's efforts to Drain the Swamp by doing an end-run around the Mainstream Media. The MSM always lies by omission. When 100 million Americans are already talking about a story, the Media have no choice but to start covering it. Remember - widespread distrust in the MSM is what got Trump elected in the first place.

[quote]The FBI colluded with the DNC to spy on Trump illegally and to derail the Trump campaign and to force Trump out of office via the phony Steele Dossier (which itself is DNC colluding with foreign actors to influence the US election.) Once Trump declassifies all the evidence, it is Game Over for Hillary, Obama, McCain, Comey. Brenna, Clapper, etc.

So, how did that "Great Awakening" work out for you? Why has Trump not "declassified all the evidence?" When is it going to be "game over?" After all, they were all supposed to be arrested over a year ago.

by Anonymousreply 7211/25/2018

Here’s the problem: “conspiracy theories” is a pop-culture phenomenon that groups together documented historic events with the most outlandish conceivable ideas.

Examples of facts: US government-operated mind control, cancer and other psychological and biological abuses performed on unwitting US citizens without their consent. MKULTRA, the butt of many conspiracy jokes, was real. It just simply was. It’s uncontestable; all the documents were released in 1977 and reported by the Washington Post. Operation Paperclip, in which the United States and Russian governments divided up Nazi scientists and put them to work for our governments? True. The US government did oversee a project from 1932 until 1972 in which black men infected with syphilis were not given treatment and their slow decays and deaths were documented by the CDC. The US government did inject black people with cancers without telling them. It did expose citizens to biotoxins without telling them. The CIA even undertook a public-disinformation campaign to make the term “conspiracy theory” seem laughable to engineer an automatic response from the public so that anything labeled a conspiracy theory would be automatically dismissed. The Census Bureau did in fact give names and addresses of all Japanese Americans to the government for Japanese internment, even though it officially and uncategorically denied having done so until the statute of limitations ran out in 1992. All of this is dystopian and it’s real. And to imagine that these things only happened in the past and cannot happen in the present and in the future is sickeningly naive.

And then there are insane Pizzagate conspiracy theories and repitilian alien theories that are grouped in with, for example, MKULTRA and make people think it’s all a big joke.

by Anonymousreply 7311/25/2018

Called conspiracy, but simply reported fact.

by Anonymousreply 7411/25/2018

Called conspiracy; just fact.

by Anonymousreply 7511/25/2018

From September:

[quote]The Storm is upon us. Once Trump declassifies the FISA warrants it's over for Mueller and Rosenstein.

They can't quite seem to make up their minds as to whether Mueller is a hero, secretly going after Clinton, or a villain.

by Anonymousreply 7611/25/2018

Called conspiracy because of adamant govt denial. Just fact.

by Anonymousreply 7711/25/2018

Fact then, most likely ongoing in various forms today.

by Anonymousreply 7811/25/2018

Two trolls to block. The Q troll and D-R with incessant and fevered postings from YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 7911/25/2018

Dear R78, the problem with what you are posting is that the weak-minded assume that because a few conspiracy theories actually were based on fact, that must mean that all conspiracy theories are based on fact. Or that all conspiracy theories are equally plausible. This is, of course, ridiculously false.

Example: R39.

by Anonymousreply 8011/25/2018

Here's what irritates me, the assumption from some upthread that nothing happens without their knowledge or seal of approval. It's a very arrogant assumption, based on privelege and an unchecked sense of superiority.

I was the first one to post that Trump was going to win the election and break down exactly how the narrative was being layed out in front of us, and I got ripped to shreds on here. Never had I ever read such raging insane vitriol just because I pinpointed the specific messaging and media signaling that was being done right of an unsuspecting audience. Trump literally came out in several of his carefully coded speeches and told us the deck was stacked in his favour. Same goes for when I tried to explain why the Patriots were going to win the Super Bowl, and bumped my old thread after the game to show posters I was right. People still harped about tin hats.

Well, guess what. The same signaling and narrative formation is now swirling about China. When the shoe drops, it's going to get ugly. Keep spewing about scientific evidence. Who the fuck do you think created that model in the first place?

by Anonymousreply 8111/25/2018

Here’s a serious discussion in the New York Times of an as-yet unresolved so-called conspiracy theory that sounds outlandish but has enough factual basis to warrant ongoing investigation: A former Nazi scientist named Erich Traub was brought to the US after WWII. While working for the SS, he proposed creating a non-lethal biological warfare agent and releasing it in enemy territory using ticks as vectors that would spread the disease. Traub was stationed at NIH headquarters in Bethesda, Md., but he worked at the Plum Island animal research center in New York, a few miles offshore from Old Lyme, Connecticut, where Lyme disease first was noted as a serious medical problem. Some people think that experiments in engineering a more harmful variant of Lyme disease, ended up with infected ticks hitching rides with birds to Connecticut and spreading from there.

On its surface, the story sounds crazy. And yet the craziest part of it (Nazi scientist interested in engineering bioweapons employed by the US government) is documented history. So do we dismiss it altogether because it sounds crazy? Despite abundant evidence of the government doing other atrocious things, and despite what (IMO) should be a commonly accepted reality that all governments develop bioweapons and by their natures most bioweapons carry some risk of contagion?

by Anonymousreply 8211/25/2018

[quote]I got ripped to shreds on here

Based on your posts on this thread, I'm guessing that the "ripping to shreds" was warranted. Stopped clock, etc.

by Anonymousreply 8311/25/2018

Disinformation can in and of itself be disinformation. All of us are vulnerable to believing what we want and dismissing what we don’t like as conspiracy theory despite all evidence.

In my view, it’s blindingly obvious that Trump is colluding in many ways with the Kremlin. His personal enterprise is indebted to Russian oligarchs. His behavior toward Putin is peculiar at the least and sometimes outwardly subservient against all American interests. Trump, however, tells his followers that the suggestion of collusion is a conspiracy theory. Many of these people believe in Pizzagate but will not believe what they should be able to see plainly in part because it’s labeled by those they support as a conspiracy theory. Surely at least a few of his sycophants in Congress have quietly wondered if Trump is a traitor but decided to believe it’s just a conspiracy theory.

This term is dangerous because it makes us easy to manipulate. Rather than just buying into what we choose, critical and independent thinking should serve some role. This country is terminally naive overall.

by Anonymousreply 8411/25/2018

You conspiracy theorists pretend people are preventing you from asking questions. That is a huge lie. The problem isn't your questions, it's your nonsensical proposed answers to those questions.

by Anonymousreply 8511/25/2018

The Q troll stopped once we all blocked it.

by Anonymousreply 8611/25/2018

R84 it’s evident that Trump is a Kremlin puppet. No evidence of crisis actors or false flags though.

by Anonymousreply 8711/25/2018

[quote]And yet the craziest part of it (Nazi scientist interested in engineering bioweapons employed by the US government) is documented history.

And this is where conspiracy theories both gain widespread acceptance and simultaneously go off the rails. Yes, it is documented that Nazi scientists were brought to the US after the war and employed by our government, and when you think (rationally) about it, it makes sense: would you prefer that Nazi scientists were allowed to escape and work for potential adversaries, or would you rather that we bring them here and not just monitor what they do (and know) but control what they do (and to whom they spread that knowledge)? Add to these facts the confusing dueling nature of geo-politics, in which our one-time ally (USSR) becomes a foe, and it makes people with less-than-average intelligence and capability to process nuance jump to conclusions that are simply without basis.

by Anonymousreply 8811/25/2018

R87 Obvious to you and me. To Trump fanatics, Fox News calls it a witch hunt and a conspiracy theory, and that is their reality.

Here’s a reality: Monsanto (now Bayer)-made herbicides cause cancers and neurodegenerative autoimmune diseases, and at least trace amounts are on most of our produce and in many processed foods. The government has done very little to make this known health risk commonly known. Here’s the question: Is this a conspiracy only if the intention is to harm consumers? Or is it a conspiracy, too, if known harm is being caused but this is not communicated so as not to interrupt the economy?

by Anonymousreply 8911/25/2018

R88 The discussion you quoted out of context was about one specific former Nazi scientist who worked on bioweapons both for Germany and for the US. You extrapolated the specific case into a broad, generalized discussion and in doing so diminished the example.

by Anonymousreply 9011/25/2018

R89 , that’s just greed and lax rules. Not really a conspiracy.

by Anonymousreply 9111/25/2018

R91 Conspiracy = multiple parties conspiring to accomplish something...or, if you want to be specific, “a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.” R89 qualifies.

by Anonymousreply 9211/25/2018

No R90, I took the datapoint you used to substantiate a discussion of the validity of conspiracy theories and explained how what you're doing is exactly that, validating conspiracy theories. Again, it's part of how conspiracy theories gain widespread acceptance despite, if nothing else, common sense.

by Anonymousreply 9311/25/2018

So because people conspire with each other, a pizza parlor with no basement is running a pedophile ring out of its basement. That's conspiracy theorist logic.

by Anonymousreply 9411/25/2018

R94 Well, those people began their illogic with a Hillary-is-evil-in-any-imaginable-way version of reality, and therefore a pedophile human trafficking ring in the bottom of a busy family pizza restaurant isn’t hard to buy. My aunt has believed since Bill Clinton was president that Hillary ate human fetuses with Chinese heads of state when she was first lady. Her megachurch told her so, and so it has been her reality ever since. It’s really pretty remarkable. Speaking of CIA mind-control experiments...they really could have skipped giving orphans LSD in hospitals and just interviewed Christian churchgoers.

by Anonymousreply 9511/25/2018

Sort of, with Nick Berg being part of mossad, or involved in something like this. Especially with how he was in Iraq and told by FBI agents to leave, yet he stayed and was killed. Also why would someone that's a Zionist and very religious Jew go to Iraq? I am neither Jewish or Zionist and I would never go to most Islamic countries, especially Iraq.

He also gave his email and password to a terrorist, and he was not stupid and knew that giving out a password is not something that's done.

by Anonymousreply 9611/25/2018

I can't believe no one has ever really investigated the plane crashing into the Pentagon on 9/11. Like the other non-WTC crashes, obviously a red herring to make people think it was "Terrorist Attack Day" (like an arsonist starting several fires to take attention away from the building he really wanted to raze). Nothing about it makes sense.

It's almost so obviously fake that people just don't want to acknowledge it.

by Anonymousreply 9711/25/2018

I can't believe that you believe that "no one has ever really investigated the plane crashing into the Pentagon on 9/11."

It's almost so obviously stupid that it's amazing that you're willing to admit it here.

by Anonymousreply 9811/25/2018

My dad worked in the Pentagon often at the time of 9/11, and it was obviously a terrifying day. Landlines and cell phones were down most of the day and we didn’t know where he was for hours. It took him all day to get home.

The scariest part of 9/11 to me though was how the country turned radical and hateful overnight. American flags were on everything. A kabob place we went to at work suddenly had an “We heart America” imprint with a US flag on the containers. I’m sure the Afghan owners were terrified. An Afghan family moved in across the street from my parents in October because they had lived in Jersey City and they were afraid for their lives there. A young woman I work with now said when she was a little girl, her mother was harassed all the time for being Muslim—which she isn’t; she is Puerto Rican, but that was evidently close enough. So they moved to Florida. Her father is black and she says people called the police on her mom as “an Arab with a kidnapped black girl.”

It was a real lesson in how easy it is for an entire nation of people to become unthinking and violent-minded, and to revel in any opportunity to openly hate anyone.

by Anonymousreply 9911/25/2018

In my former life, I prosecuted white-collar crime. The first case I worked on involved a multibillion dollar scheme on three continents with some very famous corporations. It ran over 15 years. I know conspiracies exist and are usually invisible to us until someone spills the beans. (Thank God for disgruntled former employees and bitter ex-wives.)

Conspiracy theories differ from conspiracy history in rationality. Someone comes to a newspaper or a law-enforcement agency with a crazy story. The story, when investigated, turns out to have factual underpinning, even if the informant's story had some errors. The scheme does not demand ignoring gaping logical flaws.

The United States has been affected by many proven conspiratorial schemes. Suspecting we are currently so affected is not crazy. But clinging to "theories" that defy observed facts and/or require impractical behaviors is fucking nuts. I assume someone out there studies trends in conspiracy theories and will come up with an explanation to the pervasive theme of child trafficking. But I'm a lawyer, not a psychologist, so I won't even try to hypothesize.

That written, I still think there's something fishy about Ken Lay's conveniently timed death. I wonder about forums and conferences that pull together politicians and big business leaders (e.g., Davos). There are other things that make me say "hmmm." I follow people on Twitter who obsess over Russia's criminal state. And I do not run around slandering people as pedophiles without good evidence.

by Anonymousreply 10011/25/2018

Conspiracy theories are a reflection of a lack of critical thinking and a lack of knowledge of the rules of logic. Almost all rely on correlation, but one of the first rules of logic is that correlation DOES NOT IMPLY causation. If three people were seen in a restaurant on Tuesday , and one of those three was dead on Thursday, it is not logical to assume that the other two people murdered the third. There would have to be many more pieces of evidence before jumping to that conclusion. However, it is precisely correlations such as that that are at the root of most conspiracy theories, and people eat them up. Also, it's a good test to use the rule doctors use when they study diagnosis. "When you hear hoofbeats, think HORSES not ZEBRAS". Conspiracy theories ALWAYS ask you to think zebras when you hear hoofbeats.

Guess which society in the world is most susceptible to conspiracy theories and one in which the government exploits them constantly as a way to control the populace? Russia.......

by Anonymousreply 10111/25/2018

Most conspiracy theory, in one way or another, has its roots in antisemitism.

by Anonymousreply 10211/25/2018

Marilyn Monroe

by Anonymousreply 10311/25/2018

r 101 here P.S. Of course approach every news story with skepticism. Wait for confirmation to come out from other news sources , interviews, police reports, etc before trusting a news source to get it correct. I was writing letters to the editor in my town beginning in 2002 decrying the false information being promoted by the Pentagon and the White House about Saddam Hussein. There were sufficient sources giving opposite info to at least give a person pause. Most people here have probably forgotten Valerie Plame and her husband, Joe Wilson, whose NYTs column exposed the lie about the "yellowcake" uranium from Africa, which he had been sent to investigate in NIger in 2002 . God bless McClatchy, whose reporters were skeptical all along, and boo hiss to the NYT for allowing Judith Miler to swallow and promulgate the disinformation from the intelligence community directed by Dick Cheney hook, line, and sinker. People who believed that the NYT would "protect" them from propaganda were fools. But, my point is that there were other information sources, for those who saw holes in the evidence.

by Anonymousreply 10411/25/2018

Here's a fact for ya: Some so-called conspiracy theories are true. And many are false.

Another; Sometimes, the powers that be spread false information, and then counter that with other false information. It's a known technique for disorienting the public.

Trump does it ALL the time. He and his minions don't even attempt to cover it up any more: The sky is blue. It is not. Someone else told you it was blue. No, we did. No, actually, we never did. You never believed it was blue and neither do we. Yes we do. etc etc. Once you don't know what to believe, you get so frustrated that you quit trying.

by Anonymousreply 10511/25/2018

R104 the political DC media is crawling with faux liberal scum who worship war mongering right wingers. Note their slobbering love affair with the slimebag John McCain. The "maverick " who never met a conflict that he didn't like and smirkingly joked on national TV about doing to Iran what we did to Iraq. After he finally kicked the bucket, some dimwitted CNN anchor wailed that "the angels were crying ". No tears of course, for the thousands lost in Iraq, and to various other American military vendettas.

by Anonymousreply 10611/25/2018

As a Canadian, Ottawa concerns me, but Washington DC consistently creeps me the hell out. For example, what R106 said

by Anonymousreply 10711/25/2018

Not a conspiracy theory, but I 100% believe Melania is/was a hooker.

by Anonymousreply 10811/25/2018

Agree with the posters above that DC is creepy as fuck. It's like the 1950's there. Women still in skirts and heels. Men still at their clubs; prostitutes galore; go home to their sleepy Northern Virginia burgs every night. All that matters is how close you are to the top, to the POTUS. It's a weird, strange relic.

by Anonymousreply 10911/25/2018

R109 Yes, absolutely. Its a strange, conformist type of place with a country club vibe. What makes it so confusing is that it is "officially " liberal , ie everybody votes democrat. But the atmosphere is more like Dallas or orange county than NYC or San Francisco. I never got the sense of a free, open atmosphere that I found in other major US cities. I suspect the military influence might play a part, what with dc being so close to the Pentagon, but it is a fundamentally conservative place. And for all the division in this country between dems and repubs, what people in DC respect most is power. When Trump leaves office I suspect Ivanka and Jared will be able to fit in fine in DC. New York and LA on the other hand, would never accept them.

by Anonymousreply 11011/25/2018

I live and work in DC. I don’t like a lot of the people who move here for work. I’m a NoVA native, and I get along fine with other locals, who by and large are just average people. I work tangentially to the Hill and I vehemently dislike the culture. It really is like the 1950s. My colleagues who used to work on the Hill (and who moved here to do it) have all confirmed that yes, it was required until recently that women wear a dress or skirt and now it’s the implicit expectation if not the rule. Congressional interns are primarily hired for being pretty. It’s not a secret. Everyone admits it. A gay former coworker who works on the Hill again said that the staff plays games with interns and pages, writing obscene or suggestive things, putting those messages in an envelope and having the unwitting young person the notes are written about deliver the messages to friends in other offices—and he thinks that that is hilarious and harmless. He and I walked to lunch together one day when we were coworkers and he said he wanted to fuck the ass of some guy walking in front of us. We were never really friends, so it really threw me because although we’re both gay, we were fucking coworkers. It’s a really fucked up work culture on the Hill.

They still do this bullshit “50 Hottest People on the Hill” thing. Can you imagine if your workplace ranked people according to appearance? DC really is the city most made for someone like Donald Trump.

by Anonymousreply 11111/25/2018

[quote] R6: I believe in Occum’s Razor

That’s all well and good, but it happens that Newton was wrong, and the much more complicated theory developed by Einstein was right. Or “more right”. Some day, a much more complicated theory will come along to address the problems with Einstein’s theory.

Just sayin’.

by Anonymousreply 11211/25/2018

You both should really look up what Ockham's Razor actually says. It does not say that the simplest answer is the right one.

by Anonymousreply 11311/25/2018

R7, you have that backwards. The "truth" as presented to us - one would have to be "gullible" and "weak-minded" to believe it.

by Anonymousreply 11411/25/2018

R111 it's definitely like Hollywood for people who went to the Ivy League 's. There are sleazy, smarmy and immoral people everywhere but the percentage present in DC seems much higher than other Urban areas I have lived. Donald Trump is just more openly vile than a lot of the other politicos and lobbyists that flock here. I've met some decent people in DC but my overwhelming impression of Washingtonians has been very bad . There's just a nastiness to the atmosphere and culture . New York is brusque but DC is actively mean.

by Anonymousreply 11511/25/2018

R111 fun fact , The Hill publication featured Ivanka and Melania as two of their 50 most beautiful in 2017. Gag me with a spoon.

by Anonymousreply 11611/25/2018

R109, I’ve heard DC compared with LA, in so far as, in DC it’s “what do you do?”, and LA it’s “who do you know?”. Something like that. If you’re at a cocktail party and you can’t answer that question, you’ll spend the night alone.

by Anonymousreply 11711/25/2018

[quote] R113: You both should really look up what Ockham's Razor actually says. It does not say that the simplest answer is the right one.

Or, you could have posted it yourself, you piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 11811/25/2018

Because you are unable to Google? Or maybe people who use a term should actually know what it means.

by Anonymousreply 11911/25/2018

We went to the moon. It’s really not that complicated, if you’re willing to risk the lives to do so. Does anyone know the number of lives that were lost, in the US and the USSR in total? Think about that.

by Anonymousreply 12011/25/2018

"Follow the money trail" and "Knowing the good stuff is what gets you killed" - that's all you need to know.

by Anonymousreply 12111/25/2018

R7, paranormal stuff does exist but not in the way some people go about it here. When it goes down to possible physics theories, I absolutely believe. There are some things you just can't explain as coincidences.

by Anonymousreply 12211/25/2018

Many medical conspiracy theories/ stories are completely true, insofar as limited knowledge of side effects, and an utter lack of informed consent. There are a few good illustrations already posted here. Another for open minded individuals to read about are the radioactive isotope studies the US government and Quaker Oats conducted on unsuspecting orphans and other American citizens without consent. It is completely understandable why some people believe far out or unsubstantiated stories in light of the ones which are true. I think it is fair to say that some of us read more than others, and some of us have more active imaginations too.

by Anonymousreply 12311/25/2018

Here you go r118

Occam's Razor

[quote]: a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities

by Anonymousreply 12411/25/2018

At the link

Former Trump Campaign Manager Admits There Was, in Fact, a 'Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy' to Undermine the Clintons

by Anonymousreply 12511/25/2018

[quote] yes Virginia conspiracies do happen

Good thing no one says conspiracies never happen.

by Anonymousreply 12611/25/2018

Thanks, R124.

Oh, I just knew it, R125! Thank you, too.

by Anonymousreply 12711/25/2018

RIP Art Bell.

by Anonymousreply 12811/25/2018

They blew up Pruitt-Igoe to hide the fact the army had done medical experiments on the people there, not because it was "failed social engineering."

by Anonymousreply 12911/25/2018

Depends on if you're dealing with someone suffering delusional beliefs. That's psychosis.

So not sure if some people are just lazy or ignorant or on the psychotic realm.

Always have to ask yourself to focus on the money trail. Research past proven or disproven conspiracies to be able to recognize conspiracies and most importantly, propaganda.

Years ago my library held the entire The Goebbels Diaries. One of the best investments of my time. Watch him spin stories under Hitler to keep the German population energized.

Read how he does it. Media vehicles he employed. Minister of Proganda makes for a good read. Highly entertaining. Couldn't put those books down. Knew him to well I could predict his next moves. After awhile you'll be able to discern when he's lying to himself.

Fascinating! Spellbinding! It's a cakewalk hidden inside an astute education to recognize it today. Know when you're getting played.

Since those years, I started keeping a folder of my own clipping newspaper articles and keeping folders on my machines. Our government studies to push commodities are my favorite.

by Anonymousreply 13011/25/2018

I don't believe in virtually any of them, probably the one I might believe the most is people other than Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

However it is virtually impossible to keep anything secret in this country for very long, eventually someone creditable blabs about it. Note I said creditable, nearly all the conspiracy theories are not creditable except to the gullible.

by Anonymousreply 13111/25/2018

Well, no one has blabbed about JFK most likely because most of them are dead. Which is probably where most credible sources are unless they are bound by positions of power or great wealth to their silence.

by Anonymousreply 13211/25/2018

When stories involve a conspiracy, that mere facet of a story does not make them all untrue R131.

by Anonymousreply 13311/25/2018

R23 or the disorder that primes 'magical thinking'. The cluster A personalities.

-They frequently interpret situations as being strange or having unusual meaning for them; paranormal and superstitious beliefs are common. Such people frequently seek medical attention for anxiety or depression instead of their personality disorder. Schizotypal personality disorder occurs in approximately 3% of the general population and is more common in males.

The term "schizotype" was first coined by Sandor Rado in 1956 as an abbreviation of "schizophrenic phenotype". STPD is classified as a cluster A personality disorder ("odd or eccentric disorders").

by Anonymousreply 13411/25/2018

They will all come to light unless doing so makes the teller look like an ass or is criminal. So, nothing about the JFK murder, if there was a conspiracy, would ever be revealed. The moon landing, if it was faked, would be revealed.

by Anonymousreply 13511/25/2018

R99, what a truly lovely ghetto post. Thanks for sharing.

by Anonymousreply 13611/25/2018

A cabal of international warmongers blew-up the two tallest buildings in NYC in broad daylight, using high-powered explosives.

Yet many people still think they fell down in twelve seconds flat because a couple of planes poked holes in them.

by Anonymousreply 13711/25/2018

[quote] A cabal of international warmongers blew-up the two tallest buildings in NYC in broad daylight, using high-powered explosives.

Prove it.

by Anonymousreply 13811/25/2018

I know the truth of Flight 800. A poorly crafted cover up.I was there for that one. Just looking at the fact it occurred right as our Atlanta Games where underway. They tried to hit us in our pockets by undermining our tourism $. Just follow the money.

A friend of mine recalled living in Chicago on 9/11. Asked him if he remembered the media hoopla of securing the Sears tower. Was I pissed when that alarmist, non founded crap was being spewed by the media.

Follow the money. On 9/10/2001 I used the terrorist excuse for not taking the literal highway robbery of the midtown tunnel. Said we'd stand a better chance of the free 59th St. bridge in case terrorists bomb our bridges and tunnels. Looking back the very next morning, realized how ridiculous I sounded. Hitting our infrastructure would be too easy for us to recuperate. They're gonna hit us in the pocket. World Trade Center. They also hit pentagon and took a massive chunk of change out of our airline industry. We're still suffering when flying. The $. Follow your theory to the payout. The financial incentive. If you can't find a bona fide financial incentive then it's a conspiracy dreamt up by the mentally disordered ignorant uneducated sector of society.

The Sears tower in the midwest is not going to be a target because taking it out would not financially cripple us. Chicago, LA need not worry about our Israeli support that makes financial centers like NY and airline industry targets. The big fish are targets.

by Anonymousreply 13911/25/2018

That wasn't insane at all, r139.

by Anonymousreply 14011/25/2018

R140 here. Sorry that was meant for R137, not R139. Apologies.

by Anonymousreply 14111/25/2018

OK, r141 is not r140...


by Anonymousreply 14211/25/2018

R122 what sort of paranormal stuff exists? I have friends who have sworn they have seen or experienced seeing ghosts. I think it would be cool to see one but I am not holding my breath.

by Anonymousreply 14311/25/2018

How to spot propaganda, you say?

Reviewing a lot of past health fads.

To avoid government subsidies to our commodities market by "informing" the public on the results of a new study. This way the public absorbs the cost by drumming up supply & demand. Could be our farming or fishing industries. Our healthcare industry.

Really look at the veracity of one of these campaigns. Never trust a government done study. Never trust an institution in need of funds. I've found that ABC news is guilty of promoting such government propaganda campaigns in the NY area. NBC and CBS weren't interested as much because they weren't in need of the funds in those times.

You wonder why you're being told to ingest a certain commodity to avoid cancer. It becomes a common, accepted belief. Only to be told a few years later that the original study being recreated by university students prove original government study doesn't hold water after all. Now you're being told that the research study isn't true. Who and what to believe, right?

Follow the $.

Remember consuming dark leafy vegetables will stave off cancer! Shark cartilage! Coral supplements! Fish oil!

I'm sure you can add to this list.

All you had to do was look into the plight going down on our farming industry growing those dark leafy vegetables. The government spins propaganda to increase the demand in the population to avoid paying subsidies out of our federal tills. Let the population absorb it!

One of those propaganda campaigns was pushed down our throats involving our fishing industry when it was in dire straits on the East coast especially. US fisherman were constantly being caught poaching in Canadian waters. Our government reacted by reporting a false study on seafood health benefits to up demand.

When some agriculture major re-enacts the study of health benefits years later to obtain a university degree requirement, the statistical outcome will often prove the opposite case. You'll scratch your head. What to believe?

The government doesn't care as long as it obtains the goal of stemming the current crisis. Follow the $.

Now the media is attempting to bamboozle us for site hits so they can charge out the ass for ad revenue. Follow the $.

Always look for the monetary incentive with haste. $ $ $.

You won't be fooled again

by Anonymousreply 14411/25/2018

R139 so what really happened with that flight? There was no evidence of a hijacking, etc.

by Anonymousreply 14511/25/2018

R143, a lot of different phenomenon that can be explained by delving heavily into physics. Especially quantum mechanics. The theory of relativity re: mass and the different universal laws applying to mass objects compared with the wild and wacky laws of the quanta explains most paranormal experiences. Also explains UFO & alien sightings.

by Anonymousreply 14611/25/2018

So would the mortgage sub prime loan scam count as a conspiracy? According to what I have learned even the agencies who rate investments gave high ranking to those mortgages that were all bullshit. A great many people were in on this scam and it ended up costing regular people billions.

by Anonymousreply 14711/25/2018

RFK. Sirhan Sirhan my ass.

by Anonymousreply 14811/25/2018

R147, now that is a real, historical conspiracy that I can believe in.

by Anonymousreply 14911/25/2018

R146 Scientists are looking into people’s reports of extraterrestrial/interdimensional/super-natural beings encountered while under the influence of DMT. They’re studying it seriously because many accounts report experiences with too many commonalities to dismiss without investigating. Some describe the beings as aliens, some as macchinelike, some as impish tricksters from folklore. In most cases, people report that the beings are intelligent and communicate telepathically.

Interesting, it’s a drug drug that induces physical paralysis for a short time while the person has a sensation of leaving their bodies and spending a very long time elsewhere. This does parallel alien abduction accounts. Our brains produce DMT and there is a theory that some alien abduction and religious-mystical experiences are caused by spontaneous endogenic DMT-induced experiences.

Whether smoked as a straight chemical or taken as ayahuasca, many people report that the DMT world is “more real than reality,” and it makes this life feel shallower and more like a dream.

So there may be other ways to explain or at least to explore paranormal phenomena scientifically beyond just mathematics. Neuroscientists are looking closely at how people experiece them—from a neural transmitter level.

by Anonymousreply 15011/25/2018

R140 & R142, that's my way of letting you expose your own sick self on this site.

😂Works every time!😂

Do you ever get tired of losing? Tired of getting the Bobby Darin treatment care of me at R239 on this thread last night?

by Anonymousreply 15111/25/2018

R145, check past threads here through your browser to find out the real scoop. It's all been discussed. In fact, I believe I may have shut some fools down like R140, R142 w/the Clementine treatment when we watch them drown themselves in deeper waters.

See me @R151

by Anonymousreply 15211/25/2018

R152, care to explain?

by Anonymousreply 15311/25/2018

Someone posted a thread here about 2 weeks ago about if we will ever be told the truth about aliens.

I posted my theories on how aliens are us in the future explaing human evolution. It's us creeping around scaring the hell put of our ancestors. Lots of long replies and I ask for info re: cattle mutilations.

Can't find it in my feed but one of my stalking trolls can help you locate it.

Be back later

by Anonymousreply 15411/25/2018

Well, our government does have a history of concealing the truth, of misleading, and outright lying about certain events. Later on, after papers have been decalssified or they've been sued, we eventually find out more facts, usually years later. So it is not difficult for people to react and decide that what we are being told or discovering, is not necessarily the truth. From there we take a leap to alternative narratives that seem to make sense.

The only true conspiracy theory I subscribe to is about the Kennedy Assassination. We have been told a lone gunman shot Kennedy and Gov. Connally. We are further told no other foreign government was involved, just "a kook." Peter Jennings, someone I used to admire, posited that when a momentous event occurs like JFK's murder, we tend to look for some dramatic conspiracy because a lone gunman is too mundane an explanation for such a great tragedy.

But I looked at the known facts of the case, and concluded that the theory the government wants us to buy is bullshit. The gun tells me all I need to know. The rifle was a manual, bolt action rifle with a defective sighting mount. Every time it was fired the sighting had to be adjusted and pulling the bolt back to fire took too long to get off three accurate shots from that distance at a moving object in the amount of time they claim it happened. So I base my conspiracy theory on that.

Oswald was a patsy for the mob. They used some of the sub contractors they had previously worked with that they met through the CIA, shot Kennedy and Connally, and were probably disposed of themselves. I don't want to talk ad nauseam about the JFK deal, but I only use it to illustrate that the conspiracy theory I subscribe to is based on practical facts. We know there were connections between the mob and the Kennedys, and we know the CIA and the mafia worked together using contract workers to try to get Castro. It's not a big leap.

by Anonymousreply 15511/25/2018

Did the Russians interfere with US elections?

I don’t want to start a debate as this is discussed elsewhere. I mention it only to question whether or not this topic will be a mysterious conspiracy theory in a few years, whereas it’s known to be fact today, except to the small number of people who benefited from the interference, and who have no evidence or facts.

by Anonymousreply 15611/25/2018

I think a number of countries have interfered with our elections through the years, with varying degrees of success. Probably the worst offender has always been Britain..

by Anonymousreply 15711/25/2018

R157 I don't think any other country has hacked into the voting rolls to alter outcomes,in more than 21 states. I don't think they sent agents here to learn how it's done, then set up troll farms to spread false, misleading information. The scale and the intricacies this time, by one of our Adveraries, has never been done before.

by Anonymousreply 15811/26/2018

I think it probably has. 2000 would be a good example.

by Anonymousreply 15911/26/2018

[quote]R140 & R142, that's my way of letting you expose your own sick self on this site.

I’m not R140/R142 but WTF are you babbling about this time D-R?

Seriously, you’ve got some weird idea that people don’t recognize you and you have one particular “stalker” on here. Does that idea give you some boost of self-esteem?

by Anonymousreply 16011/26/2018

I agree with R155 about Kennedys. Too many things do not add up. Geo HW Bush is also shown in photographs at the time of JFK's assassination. It is alleged he was already a CIA secret operative at the time.

by Anonymousreply 16111/26/2018

I mostly love conspiracy theories and think they are helpful to keep people critical and skeptical. Draw the line at Protocols of Zion and what not.

by Anonymousreply 16211/26/2018

[R150] That's incorrect. DMT doesn't cause paralysis.

by Anonymousreply 16311/26/2018

I was given scopolamine, as a child, as part of state funded experiments.

This was in the seventies. Scopolamine is toxic and causes insanity and then death. I had terrifying hallucinations and have suffered from PTSD ever since.

These experiments were done to induce trauma and test hypnotic techniques.

No one expected me to live, but I did, and I just try to keep a low profile.

And yes, my abuse took place at the hands of a nazi brought over with Operation Paperclip.

by Anonymousreply 16411/26/2018

[quote]So, how did that "Great Awakening" work out for you? Why has Trump not "declassified all the evidence?" When is it going to be "game over?" After all, they were all supposed to be arrested over a year ago.

The Swamp Rats in DC are panicking over the appointment of Whittaker as Acting AG. He will not recuse himself. Sessions departed amicably as part of the plan. Wait till Huber testifies.

by Anonymousreply 16511/26/2018

A former minister of defence for Canada gave sworn testimony that ETs are real and that they collaborate with federal governments.

by Anonymousreply 16611/27/2018


by Anonymousreply 16711/27/2018

We're allowed to discuss the most obvious, right in front of your face conspiracies...

by Anonymousreply 16811/27/2018

R148 do you think Sirhan was drugged? Or acted alone?

by Anonymousreply 16911/28/2018

DL just deleted the Jeffrey Epstein thread. I wanted to post this article their in reply to the liar who claimed that Epstein's Lolita Express flight logs included the name of Donald Trump. They don't.

Golly, why do the mods at DL not want us to discuss the facts surrounding Jeffrey Epstein?

by Anonymousreply 17011/28/2018

[quote]I wanted to post this article their

Pardon my typo.

by Anonymousreply 17111/28/2018

[quote]The Swamp Rats in DC are panicking over the appointment of Whittaker as Acting AG. He will not recuse himself. Sessions departed amicably as part of the plan. Wait till Huber testifies.

And when all of this fails to materialize, just as all your other claims have failed to materialize, what will you then latch onto?

by Anonymousreply 17211/28/2018

The recent fires in California and the current 'Mega Fire' on the Australian coast point to an unusual magma event occurring in the earth.

This explains the many reports of hydrogen sulfide odors that prevail in areas where fires soon begin and the volcanic activity going on.

Anyone with eyes can see that these fires are unprecedented in their behavior.

At least the Australian government admits that something strange geologically is occurring.

by Anonymousreply 17311/30/2018

[quote] R157: I think a number of countries have interfered with our elections through the years, with varying degrees of success. Probably the worst offender has always been Britain

We know that the Russians interfered in our most recent Presidential election. That’s quite different from guessing, with no evidence, that others have done so. You’re just guessing, R157.

For example:

Person 1: We know that this guy just killed another person.

R157: I believe there have been a lot of murderers throughout history.

See, that’s how ridiculous it sounds. It’s the way Trump speaks, to avoid accountability .

by Anonymousreply 17411/30/2018

Here’s how Fox has addressed climate change over time:

1. The world is not warming.

2. Ok, it is warming, but it’s warmed before. It’s natural.

3. Oh look, it’s snowing in NYC in February. Go back to 1.

4. It is warming, and that’s a good thing.

5. It’s not a good thing, but the warming is not man made.

6. Regardless of its cause, it’s not fixable by man. That’s hubris.

7. Ok, climate change is caused by man, it was fixable by man, but it’s too late now to do anything significant about it.

8. Oh, to late to do anything at all about it.

I think Fox is between 5 and 7 today. A big problem is that Fox should lose its credibility as a news source as it changes its story, from point 1 to 8, over the years. But it’s viewers don’t notice or don’t care. It should have lost its audience by now, but no.

by Anonymousreply 17511/30/2018

R175 I think the second point you mentioned (it has happened before and may or may not be directly attributable to human beings) is a valid one for open discussion and debate. I believe evidence is compelling and I believe the scientific consensus. But at least this critique is based in a fair question that could be explored reasonably.

Yet I also think it’s really interesting that so-called unconservative people are the ultra-conservative ones when it comes to climate change. I am among them. To me, a truly conservative point of view is, “We may not know for sure what the cause is, but we should err on the side of conservativism and conserve resources and temper progress in the interest of conserving what we have now.” So-called conservative people instead say “use up all the fucking resources and get all you can now—it doesn’t matter what the consequences are!”

by Anonymousreply 17611/30/2018

[quote] R176: I think the second point you mentioned (it has happened before and may or may not be directly attributable to human beings) is a valid one for open discussion and debate. I believe evidence is compelling and I believe the scientific consensus.

It has indeed happened before, but never at the [bold] rate of change [/bold] that we’ve already experienced and further project. The Earth doesn’t care if Orlando is under 5 feet of ocean water, but we should. Plants and animals, including us, cannot adapt as fast as the climate is changing. We also face new or resurgent diseases and stronger and more frequent, severe, weather, as a result.

The scientific concensus is that climate change is caused by man. The evidence is very strong.

by Anonymousreply 17711/30/2018

Way back at r3....i was hired into the company (legacy RCA) who built those cameras and they were real. Most of those guys were in their 60s and 70s by then and had designed every camera for APOLLO missions up until the space shuttle. They had tons of memorabilia and they were the real deal. They were the best camera designers RCA had.

by Anonymousreply 17811/30/2018

[quote]No one believes everything they read

[quote]I don't think any of us believe everything we hear as absolute fact.

Now, [bold]that[/bold] is magical thinking!

by Anonymousreply 17911/30/2018

[quote]The recent fires in California and the current 'Mega Fire' on the Australian coast point to an unusual magma event occurring in the earth.

Actually, they don't point to any such thing. As usual, D, you're making shit up because you simply don't know enough about actual science to separate truth from fiction.

[quote]This explains the many reports of hydrogen sulfide odors that prevail in areas where fires soon begin and the volcanic activity going on.

And, of course, there are no such "many reports."

[quote]Anyone with eyes can see that these fires are unprecedented in their behavior.

Um, no, not really. Climate change, drought, heavy winds: massive fire. This isn't rocket science.

[quote]At least the Australian government admits that something strange geologically is occurring.

Of course they don't. As usual, you simply have no idea what you're talking about. You're mindlessly regurgitating something you heard on YouTube.

So tell me, still want to place that bet on the 2018 election? Still think that Republicans are going to win the House?

by Anonymousreply 18011/30/2018

Rudy's tweets are now being affected by a massive subterranean magma event

by Anonymousreply 18111/30/2018

Probably the same drugs that gave us "covfefe", r181.

by Anonymousreply 18211/30/2018

Not a conspiracy.

by Anonymousreply 18312/01/2018

So you really are stupid and gullible enough to believe whatever you see on YouTube, R183? Tells us a lot about you.

by Anonymousreply 18412/01/2018

R174, there's evidence that the British interfered in a U.S. Senate race in the WWI era. The British wanted the U.S. to enter the war and worked to get elected a man who favored U.S. involvement.

I haven't come up with the right search terms yet, so I can't give you the name. I'm betting some other Datalounger will recognize the story and remember the name.

At any rate, Putin's fucking with the U.S. presidential election is not the first occasion of foreign interference. It's presumably unparalleled in scope, effectiveness, and the number of U.S. citizens "colluding" in events.

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I've always believed that Oswald didn't act alone that day in Dallas. They always say "follow the money", well there are many documents in the JFK Library in Boston which clearly show he wanted all the American 'advisors' out of Vietnam, starting in '64 and the last ones out in early '65. Eisenhower had warned him to be aware of "the military industrial complex". Johnson let himself be talked into Vietnam by the Pentagon mandarins...he was out of his depth and didn't question them. JFK wouldn't have listened to their bull.

by Anonymousreply 18912/01/2018

Thanks for chiming in regard R3, R178. Would also like to add that if you know anything about the filming of 2001 by Kubrick, the limitations of both Shepperton and Borehamwood studios, and the way Front Projection actually works, you'll know that it's *impossible* for Kubrick to have filmed the moon landing on 2001 sets...

by Anonymousreply 19012/01/2018

It would have been more expensive to fake the moon landing.

The Soviets would have outed the US.

by Anonymousreply 19112/01/2018

Yes, R191, you hit it right on head. It was more cost effective to actually *go* to the moon.

by Anonymousreply 19212/01/2018

And that was the ONLY reason we did actually *go* to the moon! To back up the videotapes!

by Anonymousreply 19312/01/2018

Now that we're having all these environmental catastrophes and that horrific report of doom has been made public I have this strong feeling that there a re some secret cabal out here of extremely rich people who will be amassing scarce resources for themselves. So like when there a re food shortages or water shortages and certain parts of the world are way too hot and people start dying from the heat and the foul air, they will be fine and fuck the rest of us. THey already know this and are planning for it.

by Anonymousreply 19412/01/2018

"I'm sorry, your card status is only valid for the Death Area"

by Anonymousreply 19512/01/2018

Cops probably killed people in crossfire during the Pulse shooting

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