American tourist killed by bow and arrow after he landed on a remote island in the Indian Ocean

Geez OP, there's already 2-3 threads about this on the first page of DL.

Wow, I read about this island years ago. They’re extremely hostile to outsiders. The Indian government can barely get close enough to toss them care packages to the shore without getting fired on with spears and slingshots. They just leave them alone, rightfully so.

r1 But you can never laugh too much at heterosexual Christian misfortune.

Can we start an island with only gays, firing off bows and arrows at all people who try to enter?

R4 might come to that anyway

I would love that.

What was on his playlist?

I love this story.

Shot through the heart!

Leave the uncontacted people alone. Maybe they're better off without us.

Poison Arrow by ABC

He was fug so I don’t care do you?

Primitive is primitive

American, millennial, Christian. If you can't get a laugh from at least one of those, then I don't know what to say.

Where was his god ?

Loving, naive and misguided, perhaps...but a terribly sad story, nonetheless...

It's interesting. These people have seen helicopters, probably planes. Modern clothing. And they’re not even curious.

They are my kind of people

Don’t fuck with us!

The Gaylese.

I like that. Let’s start The Gaylese Islands.

These are the people we are dealing with.

^ Don't click on r21's photo. It's a download!

Fucker.

Why would you click on it?

Okay. These people are black. They look just like many native Africans. How the hell did they end up on a tiny island in the middle of the Indian ocean between India and Thailand/Malaysia??? Any explanations, anyone? They're certainly indigenous Africans.

^Was there ever a slave trade in that region? Slave trade route?

R22 What download ? It’s just an image

Trump voter, I hope?

Because when outsiders have entered their territory in the past, they've died from epidemic diseases. They see the arrival of outsiders as an existential threat to their existence, and they are right. And before you ask, yes I can read their minds.

I love r9.

"Where was his god ?"

I was sittin back with the popcorn. I mean, sometimes you just have to laugh at dipshits.

[Quote]What was on his playlist?

Hit Me With Your Best Shot

R24 By boat...

Missionary Man

Was he going to bring an empty coke bottle and some prep?

R24, The Andamanese, including the Sentinelese, are a subset of the Negrito people who migrated out of Africa and settled in Thailand, and Indochina, the Malay Peninsula, Indonesia, and the Philippines thousands of years before the arrival of the Austronesians.

Here's a few things about them:

The Sentinelese are assumed to be direct descendants of the earliest humans who emerged from Africa. Their language is incomprehensible to even other tribes in the region.

It is said they have made little to no advancement in the over 60,000 years and still live very primitive lives, surviving mainly on fish and coconuts.

They are very vulnerable to germs since they have not had contact with the outside world. Even a common flu virus carried by a visitor could wipe out the entire tribe.

In 2006, the tribe killed two fishermen who strayed on to the island. They even rejected outside help after the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004, throwing spears and arrows at a rescue helicopter that flew above

If only he had watched Pirates of the Caribbean he would have known better.

Thank you R35 and R36.

- R24

Christian terrorist. His arrogance cost him his life.

I told him three times to get off my lawn!

They wan't to collect their DNA but can't get close to them.

Can we send in the Mormons ?

Is the island near Mauritius which has a population which is 1/3 African, 1/3 Indian and 1/3 French?

I worry about them with Islam. Muslims invade abd destroy—everything.

^^ NO

When civilisation collapses we're all going to end up living like them.

With only 150 people, how to they survive without inbreeding?

This is definitely the place Trump should be sent.

No one really knows. That's why scientists would love to get their hands on their DNA.

They probably don't have any dangerous recessive alleles. They have never come into contact with a dangerous genetic mutation such as Tay Sachs

I need a primitive man.

Why don't they go there in an army tank wearing arrow proof hazmat suits. Grab some DNA and leave.

R12, he wasn’t that bad. He had a nice furry chest. I’m sure he had a nice bush. I would have sat on his cock.

Priorities ^

Sometimes....your god doesn't work on other people honey. Stay in your lane.

Savages!

r24/r25 They are not Black, as in African, nor are they the result of any slave trade.

Melanesians, Australian Aboriginals, and Southeast Asian negritos look Black, but genetic studies of these peoples have been performed, and so we know that, except for their looks, they have no more in common with Africans than the blondest Swede would have. The same applies to the Andaman people.

Despite their appearance, they're genetically East Eurasian, ie, they're more closely related to the Japanese, for example, than to West Eurasians (like Europeans) or any Africans.

My personal theory, as said above, is that they're among the oldest branches of the East Eurasian family, as they're one of the closest modern relatives of the Ust'-Ishim man and the Tianyuan man - ancient individuals from the Paleolithic whose remains were found in East Asia and Siberia. Studies of their DNA have been published recently.

If they're indeed such an old group of people, it'd not be a surprise if they had Black skin, which is likely the original skin color of humanity.

Western European hunter-gatherers from the Paleolithic and Mesolithic had light eyes, but they are also supposed to have had very dark skin according to DNA analysis, even though genetically they're closer to today's Northern Europeans (and the Basques of Spain) than to any other group of people.

I didn't bother to read a thing you wrote, R56

r57 'Kay, keep embarrassing yourself on subjects you know nothing about, then.

R58. Why THANK YOU for that privilege. Thank yo SO much for allowing me to keep embarrassing myself. THANK YOU! I can spot your posts just by sight, and they irk me no end. I bet that you were the type in elementary/high school to wave your arm and hand FURIOUSLY, calling the teachers name over and over again whenever the teacher asked the class a question. Haha. Besides, you didn't do anything but google the information before posting, so stop fronting. Haha. Happy Thanksgiving

W/w for r56: scholar and a gentleman

r59 Okay, which dumb frau forum you came from?

Wow, do the DL Powers that Be assign a specific Loon for each thread on this site?

R57 - Is that because it didn’t have a dick pic attached. You fucking moron.

What is R57/R59's problem? Sheesh. If you don't want to read a post, don't read it and skip over it. Why announce it?

Because r57 / r59 a sad cunt

Fascinating R56.

[quote] He felt he was called by God

These people who think God is talking to them, well first they are crazy, but you ever notice that God is telling them to do something they already want to do? If there was a God telling us to do stuff, it would to do things we don't want to do, not the stuff we already want to do anyway.

[quote] They wan't to collect their DNA but can't get close to them.

I guess we need to study how the aliens do it to us.

They're right to attack outsiders. Every primitive civilization that's accepted contact with the outside world has been altered, almost always for the worst. Epidemic diseases, health ruined by processed foods, the temptations of consumer goods and the ruin of natural resources to get them, loss of culture, etc. A primitive people who admits the outside world usually changes from the masters of their own little world, to life on the lowest and poorest rung of the capitalist food chain.

These people have chosen to remain masters of their own little world, and that stupid missionary was trying to ruin that. Good riddance.

I would love to see how any of the loons saying this tribe has no right to self-defense would react to people breaking into their home uninvited and telling them, "Okay, I'm here to tell you how to think and live."

Thanks for that info, R56. You mention that their DNA was tested...but I wonder how scientists got the sample.

The scientist took the DNA sample from the bite in his arm.

[quote]What is [R57]/[R59]'s problem? Sheesh. If you don't want to read a post, don't read it and skip over it. Why announce it?

Just your typical millennial so full of hubris that he can't be bothered to learn anything new.

He reminds me of Steve Irwin the Crocodile Hunter and the Grizzly Man. So high on their love of nature that they became delusional, causing them to constantly putting their lives at risk.

What did the missionary really think was going to happen? That they'd welcome him with lei's and cocktails in coconut shells, then take selfies so he could post them with inane tags and ultimately make a name for himself doing the rounds on morning television? Probably didn't deserve a brutal death but a knock to the head might've helped him gain some common sense.

R75 I'm sure she had a romanticized view of converting natives. What probably attracted him to the Sentinelese was their unique reputation as uncontacted tribes. Many millennials (and now zoomers) have this tendency to want to be first at anything even if it's mundane. For example, many take pride in being the first to post on a YouTube video. And they won't even comment on the content, just merely post "First!"

Too many trips to DisneyWorld so he was expecting to find a Spirit of Aloha dinner show.

[quote] What did the missionary really think was going to happen? That they'd welcome him with lei's and cocktails in coconut shells, then take selfies so he could post them with inane tags and ultimately make a name for himself doing the rounds on morning television?

Yes, that's exactly what he thought. The Indian officer who spoke to the DM got right when he said this guy wasn't really a missionary. "He was an adventurer."

He was like the Grizzly Man who thought that grizzly bears were his friends until a bear took his life and the life of his girlfriend away.

I understand that a member of the tribe has been short listed for the Nobel Literature Prize.

r71 I just googled your question and I couldn't find any answer. But it is indeed a fact that the DNA of certain Andamanese populations, like the Onge, has been studied and is on public domain now. Anyone - professional geneticists, amateur bloggers, etc. - can, and have downloaded it to run their own analyses.

I found this nice TreeMix graph, illustrating the point I made about the Andamanese being East Eurasians. The graph shows three African nations (Mbuti, Biaka, Yoruba), four ancient Caucasian groups (a Neolithic Iranian group and a few pre-historic hunter-gatherers from Europe like the Bichon), as well as the Onge and the Han, the biggest ethnic group in China. Despite their 'African' appearance, the Onge are indeed closer to the Han Chinese than to any of above populations.

[quote]Can we start an island with only gays, firing off bows and arrows at all people who try to enter?

Can we do that to DL’s frau interlopers?

Except we would hurl uncooked lasagne noodles to defend what is rightfully ours, our island sanctuary, our DL.

Agree with R69.

The islanders had a right to protect their territory and their culture.

Still they could be friendlier

Is it true that he tried on two other occasions to land on the island, and barely escaped with his life at those times? And he STILL went back again?

Since photographs of the natives exist, that means at least one person made contact and lived to tell about it. Maybe they just don't like missionaries who won't take a hint.

“Most of what is known about the Sentinelese has been gathered by viewing them from boats moored more than an arrows distance from the shore and a few brief periods where the Sentinelese allowed the authorities to get close enough to hand over some coconuts.

At least it wasn't the Saudi embassy.

Was the body recovered ?

Someone upthread is correct. The idiot just wanted that perfect selfie with that arrogant hashtag #THEPOWEROFTHELORD

r88 According to Wikipedia, it's thought that they are NOT cannibals, based on dead bodies previously found on the island.

It was murder nevertheless. Can they extradite the killer ?

R90 I wouldn’t trust Wikipedia

No R91, no one is allowed to go on the island, No one.

They shot arrows at the idiot the day before and he was hit by at least one but he went back the next day anyway. The people that dropped him off the next day saw him get shot by arrows again and have rope put around his head and dragged away.

They buried him R93?

Yes , so the body may never be recovered.

I got this from Wikipedia. I certainly don't blame them for protecting their chosen isolation by all means necessary, including death. Their fellow tribal groups nearly died off (some actually did) after contact with Western civilization.

[Quote]The Andamanese's protective isolation changed with the first British colonial presence and subsequent settlements, which proved disastrous for them. Lacking immunity against common diseases of the Eurasian mainland, the large Jarawa habitats on the southeastern regions of South Andaman Island likely were depopulated by disease within four years (1789–1793) of the initial British colonial settlement in 1789. Epidemics of pneumonia, measles and influenza spread rapidly and exacted heavy tolls, as did alcoholism. By 1875, the Andamanese were already "perilously close to extinction," yet attempts to contact, subdue and co-opt them continued unrelentingly. In 1888, the British government set in place a policy of "organized gift giving" that continued in varying forms until well into the 20th century.

[Quote]There is evidence that some sections of the British Indian administration were working deliberately to annihilate the tribes. After the mid-19th century, British established penal colonies on the islands and an increasing numbers of mainland Indian and Karen settlers arrived, encroaching on former territories of the Andamanese. This accelerated the decline of the tribes.

[Quote]Many Andamanese succumbed to British expeditions to avenge the killing of shipwrecked sailors. In the 1867 Andaman Islands Expedition, dozens of Onge were killed by British naval personnel following the death of shipwrecked sailors, which resulted in four Victoria Crosses for the British soldiers. In the 1940s, the Jarawa were bombed by Japanese forces for their hostility.

R65, Have you read about the theory on YouTube that the world was populated by a succession of humans? Each almost entirely died off due to cataclysmic natural events such as ice ages.

Here's another documentary on the island people.

They can be tamed

On November 15, the day before his murder, Mr Chau offered a group of local fishermen money to ferry him to the island.

Once ashore, he tried to engage islanders but they became angry and fired an arrow at him, according to AP.

In an incredible stroke of luck, it struck a book Mr Chau was carrying, which an acquaintance said was a Bible.

Perhaps interpreting it as a divine intervention — one that may have saved his life in that moment — the American retreated and swam back to the boatful of fishermen anchored a safe distance from shore.

That night, he wrote about his adventures in his journal and left the notes with the fishermen for safekeeping.

Mr Chau made multiple unsolicited trips to the community over the past three years as he formulated a deluded plan to “establish the kingdom of Jesus” on the island.

Sources from within his missionary circle told AP that Mr Chau interacted with some of the tribesmen, who survive by hunting, fishing and gathering plants, on a handful of occasions.

He appears to have been tolerated until his penultimate journey, when locals started losing patience.

I visited North Sentinel Island and all I got was this lousy arrow wound!

Christians are so proactive and full of drive and initiative.

I don't understand why they got so close to him to put a rope around his neck. If they know outsiders make them sick.

Perhaps the greatest Darwin Award of all time.

Oh that poor man. Just a dab or two of perfume behind his ears would have saved that guy. A little splash of Elizabeth Taylor's White Diamonds always does the trick. I visited that island a few years ago and they welcomed me with HOT BLACK COCK ACTION! Praise the Load!

Jesus delusions + shirtless instagram attention whore + Andaman islanders = DEATH.

He embodied God's wishes.

How does one extradite and prosecute God exactly?

You offend every Christian R91.

So will Mat Staver send forth the big gun next to tame and have these people hear the word:. Kim Davis?

If there's any thought of gay marriage on the island, she'll put a stop to it.

[quote]Someone upthread is correct. The idiot just wanted that perfect selfie with that arrogant hashtag #THEPOWEROFTHELORD

Exactly. They've been there for 60,000 years. The arrogance of this person thinking that HE would be the ONE to make contact was beyond idiotic. They have their own God and they're doing just fine.

[quote]With only 150 people, how to they survive without inbreeding?

There may be upwards of 500. No one really knows. They do know that they used to live on the coasts but once people started visiting they moved inward towards the center of the island. Even if you take a look at the place on Google Maps, (linked below) you can see that it's densely covered in trees.

[quote]I certainly don't blame them for protecting their chosen isolation by all means necessary, including death.

Agreed. They have their own culture and their own language. They're not influenced by outside sources. I'm sure they know that the last few times outsiders visited they got sick or they were kidnapped (in 1880)! When some people, on an expedition, brought "gifts" like pots & pans, and a pig, they came to the shores and buried them. That's a clear indicator they know not to touch anything that came from outside the island.

They let a few people come close in the 90s but they also warned them to leave after a few moments.

Even though this man is Asian, this thread is very revealing as to the mentality of the minority of disingenuous White Supremacists on here. ( Typing too White for it to be any other type of person). So sad are they that there was ONE set of people who picked up the fact that you are disingenuous. So angry that there are a set of people of colour who want no parts of what you got. You can't buy them out with their own seashells and gin. They want no parts of your God. They care not for your supremacy masked as fragility ("they could have been kinder").

"Mr Chau made multiple unsolicited trips to the community over the past three years"

That dipshit! He could have infected them with something that could have killed off the whole fucking population!

But of course he wouldn't think of that, because the asshole conservative Christians who raised and educated him intentionally kept him from learning about the biological sciences. I loathe conservative Christians.

[quote]When some people, on an expedition, brought "gifts" like pots & pans, and a pig, they came to the shores and buried them. That's a clear indicator they know not to touch anything that came from outside the island.

Interesting you mention that, because on another DL thread on this topic (I think there's now at least three), there was one dumbshit poster who was constantly harping on and on about how we should stop dropping off "care packages" by helicopter for the Sentinelese because they don't deserve them. Why would a completely isolated, obviously self-sufficient group of people need, or want, supplies from the outside world? Just call that idiot "the care package troll."

They're extremely territorial. True, they may be primitive, but they're still smart enough to know an invader when they see one. One who might want their land along with others. Native Americans, this should have been you.

They need to be brought into the 21st century. They deserve all the comfort we take for granted. Like the internet, color TV, cellphone, toothbrushes etc

^ I disagree. They have no use for money, and quite possibly no concept of it other than the most mundane aspect of currency (meat for firewood, or a blow job for a new thatched roof). We're slaves to money and materialism. They are not.

R116 and others, If it’s so good there, why don’t you join them my dear ?

^THIS! mutha fucka here! lol

"They're extremely territorial. "

We're the ones with "Stand Your Ground" laws, strict immigration laws, and plans for a huge wall on the Mexican border, we've got no room to talk!

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Indian authorities are struggling to figure out how to recover the body of John Chau

They should just leave it there, like those Everest victims. I'm sure he would have wanted that. God knows he tried several times to get there.

I think his parents would want his body back for proper Christian burial.

He wanted to bring Jesus to them, they sent him to Jesus instead.

R124 He was called by God. He had to go.

[quote] I think his parents would want his body back for proper Christian burial.

Jesus will want a Sentinel burial. God knows that's the proper Christian burial.

God used him to emphasize "Stay away!"

Surely nobody would be stupid enough to try and collect the body.

Although there was someone stupid enough to go there and get killed.

Oh C'mon. How hard can it be to send some Seals over there in combat gear? Those guys can swat away those primitive toy arrows like they are gnats.

R129 Don't be an idiot. They're obviously trying to protect and respect the Sentinelese's way of life as much as possible. They're protected peoples.

Meant to say "trying to preserve and respect"

If he made other trips, did he report back any contact with the people? Or were they hiding the whole time?

I Googled to see what’s what, I think the few grainy images are actually scary, with the hostile natives brandishing their weapons. They do NOT want company. I wonder if King Kong lives there!

I now identify as Sentilese.

So much for cultural imperialism. I guess they didn't want to put up with that shit that the Aboriginals and native Hawaiians unfortunately did.

I want him to wake up in the afterlife only to discover it's run by a Sentinelese god rather than the christian one.

R132 Yes he did make contact and interacted with the tribe. Apparently he did something to make them lose their patience with him.

We need a movie adaptation.

Time for casting call !!!

Kel Gleason from SURVIVOR THE AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK would've been perfect. Of course, he's better looking, but that's par for the course in films based on real people.

More details and the family of Chau "forgave" the Sentalese at the link and at another website he apparently had been there 5 times and even interacted with them.

From the linked one:

[quote]He'd been in the islands before, to this particular island... there were three or four visits on that day, and what happened was on the first visit he was turned back by arrows; the second visit, he came with two big fish as a gift. My understanding was the men accepted the gift; they sat together for an hour; he said they were menacing and they actually shot him. He went back to the boat, and then gradually went back a third time. That's when the fishermen who were looking through binoculars saw that they'd killed him and were taking him apart.

This is similar to what happened back in the 1991. The men that came to the island brought them coconuts, they accepted the gifts (didn't even bring their weapons) but then told them or rather signaled to them that they should leave. In this scenario, they accepted Chau's fish, tried to tell him to leave but instead he tried to go back to them and they killed him. It appears they were nice to him at least once but he couldn't take the hint and kept on trying.

I hate that this island is going to get publicity now and idiots like Pat Robertson will probably call this guy a martyr and demand the Island be invaded. India, meanwhile, probably couldn’t give a shit, and rightly so.

I wonder if they Sentinelese think of us like we do space aliens? No doubt Chau looked very different from what they're accustomed, as was that white guy who visited in the '90s. They probably marvel at our planes/helicopters and ships just as we do UFOs.

Kind of like the Mayas and Aztecs thought of the Europeans as gods when they first landed.

The a sign of the Four

The guy quite stupid. Get shot by an arrow, and then go back the third time the same day.

No mean no by their actions.

Ok Boris at R144

He invaded their safe space without consent. It was literally a Man on the Land! situation and they defended themselves.

I swear Monty Python couldn't have come up with a better sketch.

Interested in R32 vid-remarks that mid early 19th C visitor from shipwreck escaped (prior to this very limited outside contact with Sentilese islanders?) and made a note particularly that their arrows were iron tipped.

The exclusion zone is important to protect fishing as a key food source.

It's sad to think periodic stories like this might inevitably further heighten moronic interest to get closer and thereby further threaten the Sentilese in their right to self determination.

Still - the untouched DNA must be like some innately grail-like project in Human Genomic study. - How within a limited population group like this, there is not recessive physical disability or deformity based in 'pure' (??) DNA is fascinating.

Were this guy and the American student in North Korea separated at birth?

R148, Many extremely insular tribes survived for generations before Western contacts. How did they survive with obviously constant inbreeding? Or were those born deformed just left to die? Perhaps the population all died relatively young especially since girls would be birthing babies from puberty, at about 12 or 13.

To answer an above poster, they could obtain DNA from collecting poop samples I suppose.

If he’d kept his big JEBUS MOUTH shut, he’d be alive today.

[quote]R16 Loving, naive and misguided...

Is it “loving” to disturb strangers with your obsession that your ways are better than theirs?

Jada Pinkett Smith as North Sentinel Island's first lady.

All dangerous recessive alelles have either been bred out of them or never made it into their gene pool in the first place.

Tay Sachs, Ricketts, Huntingtons Chorea etc. these are mutations and these islanders made it to their island before they entered into general gene pool. Whatever weakness that may have existed in them when they became isolated got bred out.

The Onge and the Jarawa the tribes that exist on nearby islands have a high rate of sterility. Upwards of 25%.

I read about this tribe a long time ago. If I recall, genetically they are very closely related to the other Andaman tribal peoples. The real unknown is not their dna but their language and culture.

I could be wrong.

I suppose they don’t have written language, only spoken.

Was this guy ‘all there’? That’s some suicidal stupidity.

And how could he afford to spend so much time harassing these people, anyway? Was he sponsored by some weird-ass church group?

I can imagine that if I were one of those short dark-skinned tribe members and saw a tall white person for the first time in my life, I would be scared shitless.

[quote]If I recall, genetically they are very closely related to the other Andaman tribal peoples.

That is what I've read. The first people to ever go deep enough into the island to see their (empty) dwellings were accompanied by Andaman (Onge) guides. Of course they also kidnapped a 6 members of their tribe. However, they also learned that whatever language the Sentinelese speak is vastly different from their former "relatives."

[quote]I suppose they don’t have written language, only spoken.

This part is very tricky. The only person that was allowed to spend time with them (although briefly before they made him go) was Trilokinath Pandit who led an expedition in 1991 so everything we know about them is based upon his observations.

From him we know they do have fire. They can't make fire but they do have it. He guessed they wait for lighting strikes, find something burning and keep it going as long as possible. According to him, apparently every hut has a fire going.

However, early explorers to the Andaman islands, when passing by their island, remarked that they only knew the island had people on it because there were areas where they could see lights. This was back when they lived along the coast, before they slowly began to move inward so who knows what they're doing.

The same applies to the idea of a written language. They think they don't have one because Trilokinath Pandit didn't see evidence of it in 1991 but for all we know they could be drawing pictures in caves with mud. It's not like he got to live with them and explore.

You could ask a teen today what that little pocket in their jeans is for. Some might guess that it's for change. The truth is, it was for pocket watches. The same applies here, what we know, is mostly based on the guess work of one person.

So we don't think they have a written language, based upon the observations he made,

He was yet another self-righteous religious person who judged others (while proclaiming love for everyone) and thought that people weren't "right" unless they believe the same things he did. Sounds like most evangelicals.

The linked story is similar. Please read between the lines, as I know the source material is Evangelist Christian. Exactly what is meant by "fetish sex?"

They ought to kill the assholes who posted on this thread.

Lesson: Next time bring along a GUN

"Lord, is this island Satan’s last stronghold where none have heard or even had the chance to hear your name?" he wrote in a diary of his last days provided to The Washington Post by his mother.

Now the Christians who sent him will say this is what God intended...that is why he was called.

[QUOTE] Tay Sachs

Oy! Tell me about it, I coulda plotzed waiting for the results!

Fascinated, the officer, Maurice Vidal Portman, essentially kidnapped several islanders, according to the New York Times.

He took them to a British-run prison on a larger island where he watched the adults grow sick and die.

After that, he returned the children to their home and ended his experiment, calling it a failure.

Because contact with the tribe is forbidden, Mr Chau’s killers will not be prosecuted for his death, according to local authorities. However, seven local fishermen were arrested for taking the American to the restricted island.

Maurice Vidal Portman

I wish people would stop saying this was murder. Murder is intentional unlawful killing. This ancient tribe is acting within its own ancient law in protecting its home.

That said, they are horrible savages. They have apparently Bern living like that since the wave of migration got them there 55 thousand years ago. So they are a LOT like the basic root human we all have derived from — heartless xenophobes who treat anything new with unrelenting hostility and violence.

Bern = been

I lived in Bern for two years.

I lived with Paul Bern for less than a year.

And then he died.

What fucking fundie sect did he belong to?

[quote]So they are a LOT like the basic root human we all have derived from — heartless xenophobes who treat anything new with unrelenting hostility and violence.

R172, no they're not. Did you read anything about them?

They have been nice to people from the outside before. They just [bold] always seem to get taken advantage of [/bold] from Maurice Vidal Portman (who was probably also some kind of perv based upon his writings) who kidnapped them to Chau who they allowed on the island, communicated with briefly and then asked to LEAVE. He didn't listen.

Hell, even reading this threads, I don't blame them at all for wanting people to leave them alone.

[quote][R172], no they're not. Did you read anything about them?

Yes, I did, and apparently I have better reading comprehension than you do. The “nicest” they’re ever been is, on very rare occasion, NOT to immediately attack people leaving them gifts. You read a little more carefully, and find one example of a truly friendly social interaction with another culture.

You’ll find none — that’s the state of the humans who spread across the world in the earliest migrations. Unremitting hostility.

[quote]Yes, I did, and apparently I have better reading comprehension than you do.

No, I read just fine. I think you're trying to hedge the information to favor your argument and it's not working. They also interacted with the National Geographic Crew in 1975. Again, they were fine with them and then asked them to leave.

[quote] You read a little more carefully, and find one example of a truly friendly social interaction with another culture.

No, again. I did just fine. Besides, what you again failed to account for is the fact that it's not medically safe for them to interact with anyone from outside of their culture.

[quote]You’ll find none — that’s the state of the humans who spread across the world in the earliest migrations. Unremitting hostility.

Just as you have the right to kick anyone out of your house that overstays their welcome they continually keep doing the same thing but saying that they're hostile to everyone just isn't true. Not being hostile, based upon your definition, is allowing people to explore their island and go and do whatever they want. There are civilizations who have grown, advanced and formed countries, cities and states today across the world who have the same rules but because these ones carry spears, instead of nuclear weapons, they're "savages!" I bloody well think not!

R172 "You think the only people who are people, are the people who look and think like you."

R141, one of the fascinating things about the islanders is that they do not seem stunned by the wonders of the modern world, or think that outsiders are impressive or godlike. (There is a photograph of an islander firing an arrow at a helicopter flying overhead: his stance suggests anger, not fear). They are not frightened by intruders, as this story itself shows. Somehow they know we are trouble.

Trouble with a capital T

[quote]No, I read just fine. I think you're trying to hedge the information to favor your argument and it's not working. They also interacted with the National Geographic Crew in 1975. Again, they were fine with them and then asked them to leave.

Surrly I’m just warping the story of peace behind the Nat Geo expedition to suit my argument “and it’s not working.” Ah yes, I remember that peaceful expedition as if it were only yesterday ... (screen gets wavy)...

[quote]In early 1974, a National Geographic film crew went to the island with a team of anthropologists to film a documentary, Man in Search of Man. They were accompanied by armed police. When the motorboat broke through the barrier reefs, the locals emerged from the jungle and discharged arrows at the boat. They landed at a safe point on the coast and left gifts in the sand, including a miniature plastic car, some coconuts, a live pig, a doll, and aluminum cookware.

[quote]The Sentinelese followed up by launching another round of arrows, one of which struck the documentary director in his thigh. The man who wounded the director withdrew to the shade of a tree and laughed proudly while others speared and then buried the pig and the doll. They left afterward, taking the coconuts and cookware.

Look at his eyes in OP header! Straight off of Oprah's couch, right?

R24, there used to be a landbridge from africa to indonesia right off of australia.

Free trips to Israel for Christian students!

This why you wait on long lines for airports. To hell with these fuckin faux christians! Supporting Israel ain't helping the average American. Civil war if we must!

R186 Israel gives free trips to Zionist Jews. I saw this organization at the University I attended and I look very central and southern european so they asked me if I wanted to go to Israel, but then said how it was mainly for religious/Zionist Jews only, and not for everyone else. My friends that are Eastern European atheist Jews who grew up in the USSR and who are not cut would have been either told how they had to be extremely religious in order to get a free trip to Israel, or told to go but to basically convert to Orthodox Judaism while there, which is not something they ever will do.

R123, we don't care what his parents would want. Truth is they don't count in the scheme of things. This kid does not trump the well being of the islanders

R49 most Europeans, Africans, Asians, Latinos/Hispanics have not come into contact with Tay Sachs. It is extremely high and more prevalent in Ashkenazi Jews because of centuries of incest and inbreeding, they would marry their first cousins.

R189 I thought love trumps hate?

Look, I admire this (young, cute) guy very much, but he had no business being there, and after his first contact, needed to take the hint, and not return. The people on this island have remained isolated for a long time (their choice), and the Indian government respects their independence pretty completely.

I can't make fun of his death, or make jokes about it. He seemed like the sweetest guy, someone who would be a joy to know. But nice guys do stupid things, unfortunately.

R181 I'm sure they are scared. It's partly why they attack outsiders/intruders. When you sense a threat, your mind generates fear and anger. The fear you generate is part of a flight response from your physiology. Anger is the emotional energy you generate for the fight against that perceived threat.

Why thank you Clerk Kim @ r145

Whenever I read the two words American and tourist together I know it's going to be dreadful news.

A few years back, a drunk English guy showed up late at night at the door of some people in Houston. He had confused their house with the house where he was staying. The asshole homeowner shot the drunk dead. Nothing happened to him.

So the natives were just standing their ground. How American.

It’s interesting how some people need to shoehorn this event into the frightened natives exploited by cruel Europeans narrative. Does that happen? ABSOLUTELY. Did that happen here? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

These are not timid recluses defending their privacy. There are essentially territorial early humans wanting to destroy anyone Not Them. They don’t have the first fucking clue about their vulnerability to infectious disease so that clearly has nothing to do with their actions.

These people give us a pure, undiluted look at human nature, and the American guy gives us just as pure and undiluted a look at how far civilized man has stepped away from his true nature. He’s got himself believing that some sky wizard is going to knock the arrows out of his way and if he doesn’t, well, Thy Will Be Done, On Earth As It Is In Heaven! Oh and think of the selfie opportunities, and if they kill me I’ll be famous on social media. I should spend a fortune so I can get murdered.

Contrast that dumbphuckery with “that tribe is not our tribe. They are rivals. Let’s kill them and take their stuff.”

Another example of human nature.

In 1588 the Spanish built a huge armada to invade England. This armada suffered a reverse in an early battle with the English, but was still largely intact when it was beset by a huge storm, scattered and largely destroyed.

Some of the ships ended up shipwrecked on the Irish coast. Now, the Irish has every reason to welcome and help the Spanish sailors and soldiers who washed up on the coast — like the Spanish, they were Catholics, and were determined foes of the English crown. So did the Irish welcome them and settle them in the villages, as Irish tales tell, the origin of the “Black Irish?” Most historians think not. They killed the shipwrecked wretches and stole their stuff.

Anup Kapoor, an anthropology professor at the University of Delhi, said that anyone wanting to open a dialogue with the Sentinelese had to show they were “on the same level.”

“Don’t wear anything,” he recommended. “Only then you can hope to have some sort of interaction.”

Mr Kapoor once had contacts with the Onge, another Andamans tribe, adding: “It was only after I took off my clothes, except my underwear.”

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their own desires.——Susan B. Anthony

He graduated from Oral Roberts University so he’s no brain trust.

R59 calls out R56 and rightly so. The correct response is R185. The amswer cannot just be "googled" in one shot.

You can't talk out of your ass here without being slapped down and owned. Australian aborigines originate in Africa. DNA proved this about 12 years ago. Maybe longer than that. These people are African. They share genotype, phenotype with Africans. Hey, maybe that's why they look African. They're not SE asian. They're black. Some Africans kept on the adventure into SE asia following that land bridge before it sunk under the water. Not these people.

I'm going to have to post this again. The clue is in dental structure. It's been established. Some Africans made it to SE Asia, mixed with Asians and then they continued on to Hokkaido, Japan and mixed with the Ainu. So the island of Japan is not a genetically homogenous asian region like mainland China. Japan has a history of many races mixed as one early on. That's their secret weapon to greatness. Ditto the US.

May I remind you that advanced hair straightening techniques come out of Brazil and Japan. Brazil is obvious with their african population but Japan, why would asians perfect hair straightening of all things? Same reason. African DNA is in there so the hair texture reflects an unruly, frizzy bent. It didn't come out of thin air. A reason for everything.

Here's the migration effecting dental formations and occasionally hair textures. The N stands for Negrito.

Glad I could help

R59 a big WW for this post:

[R58]. Why THANK YOU for that privilege. Thank yo SO much for allowing me to keep embarrassing myself. THANK YOU! I can spot your posts just by sight, and they irk me no end. I bet that you were the type in elementary/high school to wave your arm and hand FURIOUSLY, calling the teachers name over and over again whenever the teacher asked the class a question. Haha. Besides, you didn't do anything but google the information before posting, so stop fronting. Haha. Happy Thanksgiving-

R202 is my gift to you 🍶🎁. Can't stand that Contrary ConTROLLer googling rube as well. Never learns, that one

I'm gonna guess how this went down now I'm reading he did bring entrees and appetizers and these people gave him an hour of their time sitting on the beach. There's that. Then after they shot off some warnings.

The better of us know instinctively that any religious zealot is a nutter. Someone on this forum I WWd & posted a shout out for writing a common sense explanation in one of these recent threads (maybe this thread or related) explaining better than i ever could, a normal, healthy person is NOT going to dedicate their whole lives to religion. Add in this guy's aspie condition & un-wrangled case of covert narcissism. Asperger, Narcissist and Psycho/Sociopaths share a common trait which are not inclusive to other mental/character disorders.

This dark triad checks box ◽Lack of EMPATHY

Any animal, including the human animal and this TYPE of dunderhead meeting. ..The hair goes up on the back of your neck. You think these people didn't realize this guy displayed a predator personality? Because even if innocently he deemed himself in a leader position. The whole sit down hour meeting and his relentless pestering alerted them of the true predator he was. Probably made the interactions about nothing but himself and lord jesus. Focus on self only. You think these people didn't pick up on that? They're human. They did themselves and their fellow humans a big favor. We abhor this type of individual because deep down we know they're attempting to hide something about themselves. Major perceived character flaw. Ruining our formerly good American name these evangical demented zealots. Benevolent Isis types. Distance yourself from any hardcore religious person. Religion was built to keep societal sociopaths in line. A healthy, normal soul need only self guidance innately.

We should chip in and buy them a gift. Something metal based. Let's go fund them!

Something about these "stone age" people does not add up. They have razor sharp, metal tipped arrows? Are they smelting ore on their island, or are they repurposing pots and pans gifted to them? And why would they have even evolved the technology of bows and arrows, since they supposedly subsist on coconuts and seafood?

No, they get the iron from crap that washes ashore of equipment abandoned from previous expeditions.

“OR equipment”

In his defense, the BBC on that island may have been worth risking his life for.

Bow and arrow ain’t exactly a modern man concept, is it ? R205

The first people who walked out of Africa had bows and arrows.

I still think the tribe need to be taught a lesson for the murder committed. Aren’t those islands under Indian jurisdiction ? Law should apply equally, no exceptions.

R210 metal tips ?

Don't pay attention to the semi-literate Afrocentric retard at r202. The guy is such a dishonest moron that he actually talks to himself at r203 pretending to be someone else.

Australian Aboriginals are part of the Eurasian branch of humanity. And like all Eurasian groups, they're more related to other Eurasians than to Africans.

How much for a hunting expedition? Money is no object.

I can’t blame the murdered guy. I would be most curious to investigate an unknown tribe, untouched by civilisation.

r215 He kept going to the islands again and again. At first the tribe tolerated him but he overstayed his welcome. If this was about satisfying his curiosity, he would still be alive.

Curiosity kills the cat

R216 It takes more than one or two trips to do a full study

He wasn't there to study them; he wanted to convert them. He wrote about that being his mission so many times.

[quote]You can't talk out of your ass here without being slapped down and owned. Australian aborigines originate in Africa. DNA proved this about 12 years ago. Maybe longer than that. These people are African. They share genotype

It's funny how the one reference you use in your post - a map about sinodonty - has nothing to do with the (truly laughable) argument you make.

I will ignore the fact that 12 years is basically an era ago when it comes to the study of population genetics.

The fact is that there's NEVER been a study using genetic markers from 12 years ago or any other date that shows that Australians are closely related to Black Africans.

Even studies from the 1990s shows that Australian Aboriginals, and Melanesians in general, are more related to South and East Asians than to any other group of people. And this is even more true of Negrito populations in Southeast Asia.

Take Cavalli-Sforza's book, "The History and Geography of Human genes". Even though it was published in 1994, it, too, found what all modern studies on the subjects have - that Aboriginal Australians are Eurasians and, more specifically, EAST Eurasians.

In page 75, there's a table showing the genetic distances between 42 different populations from all over the globe. Here are some of the genetic distances of Aboriginal Australians with other world populations (the bigger the number, the more genetically distant, ie, the less related they are):

BLACK AFRICANS:

- Bantu: 3272

- East African: 2131

- West African: 2694

EUROPEANS:

- Danish: 1400

- English: 1534

- Greek: 1498

SOUTH/SOUTHEAST ASIANS:

- Filipino: 1300

- Indian: 1176

- Malaysian: 1665

NATIVE AMERICANS:

- Eskimo: 1360

- North Amerindian: 1264

- South Amerindian: 1563

EAST ASIANS:

- Japanese: 821

- Korean: 850

- Mongol Tungus: 781

In other words, out of all world regions, the closest genetically to Aboriginal Australians in this study is East Asia. The most distant is precisely Africa, as would be expected of any Eurasian population. Even blond populations like the Danish and the English are closer cousins to this "Black" population than are Sub-Saharan Africans. Now, this book is rather old and better markers for this kind of analysis exist today. But the pattern found is the same as in modern studies.

The genetic distances table below comes from a 2014 study, "Genome-wide genotype and sequence-based reconstruction of the 140,000 year history of modern human ancestry". As you can see, the closest relatives to the Melanesian component - which represents the ancestry of Papuans and Aboriginal Australians - are East Asian components, and the most distant, all with distances above .200, are all in Africa (Click-Speaker, Niger-Congo, etc.). Exactly as Cavalli-Sforza had shown 20 years before.

Aborigines are still part black African. The documentary and study also located a man related to all of us. Believe he was in Afghanistan. An australoid is a mix but have negrito DNA from Africa and I never said otherwise. The aborigines didn't want hear it but it proved to be true.

You're gonna lose here.

DNA and dental type both used to determine migrations.

Oh and R220, Inuits do not fall under Native American or First Nation Indians in North or related to those in South America.

Inuits are of the Mongolian race. Not First Nations.

Told ya you were gonna lose 'googler'. 😂

r221 No, they aren't, you silly idiot.

I've been following human population genetics studies since my early teens and I've discussed with many people who share that interest. And let me tell you this, you'd become a meme, a laughing stock, in those milieux with these arguments.

Neither the Japanese nor Aboriginals are part African. The only link those peoples have with Africa is the fact that, like all human groups, their ancestors came from Africa hundreds of thousands of years ago. This is true of everyone, from blue-eyed Danes to the remotest tribe in the Amazon.

There's no other link with Africa. No, other.

As you can see in the image at r220 (on which you're yet to comment), even Northern Europeans, for all of their paleness and blondness, are genetically closer to Africans than dark-skinned Melanesians or the Japanese. This is because, as any amateur reader of population genetics knows, phenotype is an unreliable indicator of genetic relationships. Melanesians are genetically THE MOST distant population from Africa, which fits well with the theory that they were one of the earliest human populations to become genetically distinct from the humans who first LEFT Africa.

And if you have a shred of evidence on your side, bring me a study supporting the claim you're making now - that the Japanese and the Australians have African admixture. You won't find any, because this is a blatantly laughable theory.

These findings suggest that modern Aboriginal peoples are the direct descendants of migrants who left Africa up to 75,000 years ago. This finding is compatible with earlier archaeological finds of human remains near Lake Mungo that date to approximately 40,000 years ago.-

That's all we're saying. Reading comprehension faulty, you. You're arguing some other point. Try 'googling' more deeply.

You're never gonna win here.

Sorry but the Aussie aboriginals look nothing like East Asians. They look more ‘Africans’ no matter how you try to put it.

You're the ignorant, uneducated person who dabbles from time to time.

-Returning to the discussion about Aboriginal ancestry, DNA of a hair sample from an Aboriginal man living in the 1920’s are being compared with genes of other ancient races, and there are at least four theories still being contended. Though all agree that the Aborigines migrated from Africa, split from the main group of migrants and travelled onwards through Eurasia and then downwards until they came to Australia."

Duh

Most like Southern Indian I've always thought - eye and nose shape, hair texture, skin tone and physique.

Dravidian Indian

If the Sentinelese have been able to fashion metal tipped arrows among other uses from found object flotsam over the years, just think what will be possible when that plastic bottle beach from Indian detritus washes onto their shores.

R220, you also had no idea that Mexicans hail from Inuit MONGOLIAN stock. They're built for the cold.

You also are unaware female Mongolian warrior tombs were discovered in Hungary

You're also unaware that the once considered extinct people known as the Beothuk DNA was revealed in Iceland recently probably brought over as a slave.

I'll wipe the floor with you, ya big dummy

[quote] It’s interesting how some people need to shoehorn this event into the frightened natives exploited by cruel Europeans narrative.

The guy was Asian.

R230 His mother is Caucasian I believe

John and mother, Lynda

@R232, mom looks a bit 'touched'.

^touched ?

R234 She looks full of Gods cum.

R232 Photos of dead wanker are good, they make me feel good

R220 is busy furiously 'googling' because R220 ain't gonna win here.

Then there's this. Did you forget migration patterns? The latest version is disputing just recent earlier beliefs. Multiple new findings. You don't keep up R220.

I hope he didn't give them any germs. There is a legal prohibition against interaction to protect them from disease as they have no immunity against anything not on their little Island.

R220, is this working for ya?

-The Paternal Line: Y-DNA

The Ainu of Japan appear to have a point of origin in Africa before 70,000 years ago. The Asia-Africa connection is found in Y-DNA Haplogroup DE. DE is unique because it is distributed in several geographically distinct clusters. Immediate subclade, Haplogroup D, is normally found only in eastern Asia, and the other immediate subclade, Haplogroup E, is common in Africa, Europe, and the Middle East.-

Told ya i was hardcore😅

R223, shamed by being exposed yet again. A googling fronting fool stay on your end of the pool.

Glug glug glug. Drowned yourself yet again

My victory vid always dedicated to you

They got the metal for their arrow heads from a pretty large ship that wrecked there (after the occupants were rescued before the tribe could reach them).

According to one of the evacuees, the cargo was just chicken feed. I read about it on the 'Respectable Lawyer' twitter feed.

Almost nothing about population genetics in this thread is correct. It's kind of breathtaking how some of you read Wikipedia articles and understand virtually nothing that you've read.

Is the other DL thread on this any more fun informative OR less infighty than this one does anyone know?

I hesitate to wade into that one - much like our American friend might have been wiser to operate similarly?

R240 Very interesting read. Thanks for that.

^^^ no problem. I found it on the other thread.

A hal R240 can be the bearer Beaver from the alternate thread?

Anything of salient merit over there R240? Pointless Bitchery of a higher caliber?

Not particularly. The twitter feed was the only thing I was inspired to transfer.

Schizophrenics think God is talking to them...are most Christians schizophrenics?

No, just idiots.

R197 seems unaware, despite the numerous posts on the topic, of the history the Sentinelese have with colonizers and people from the mainland and the real danger, which they understand all too well, of getting sicknesses they have no immunity to. R197 also thinks that his/her narrative about "early humans" and "human nature" is more than a fictional reconstruction.

Would u prefer this version? Cats LOVE this version if u sing along. R220/ R226/meanie R213, outing yourself like a fool by defending yourself. Google defense

Which version you prefer for next time? Hmm Clementine?

Who financed this kid’s mission? Had to be an expensive trip?

R233 how do you mean?

R203, thanks for the shout out. R58 simply does not present well. No one likes a know-it-all. And no, R203 and I are NOT the same individual. That's YOUR scheme! Have a great day, R203!

- R59

They may not be immune to some diseases. But nothing modern medicine can’t cure.

What R197 wrote. These people behave like primitive man, and just want to be left alone.

R254 Wow... Don't give medical advice.

This whole thing has given me some great ideas for dealing with the Jehovah's Witnesses who've been bothering me.

I keep reading that he's an IG whore but I've yet to see anyone link to his IG account.

R253, I always Bobby Darin that fool😂. If I don't know something, I ask people here. If I knowledge to share I won't hesitate to help and that conTROLLing freak always feels the need to challenge me. Ends up at the bottom of the deep end.

Everybody in the pool!

^Big ups, pal. Keep doin' your thing

R220 R226 high tailed it out of here😅

Skeddadled. Just manipulated it to exposing itself on this cross referenced threat.

Like candy from a baby

See my R152 post here😎

R258 what are you going on about?

While the total population in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands has soared from 30,971 in 1951 to about 400,000, the number of indigenous people (excluding the Sentinelese) in the Andamans has sharply dwindled from a conservatively estimated 4,800 in 1858 to about 674. Now they are on the verge of extinction and fall under the category of the Particularly Vulnerable Tribal Groups (PVTGs).

The history of outsiders’ relations with the indigenous people of the Andamans has a clear pattern – colonisation, exploitation and eventual extermination. If we are to learn anything from our past, it is that the Sentinelese should be left alone on North Sentinel Island.

If it has not been addressed already...he had not even bothered to learn their language.

How exactly did he think he was going to communicate with them? Was he going to give them Bibles they cannot even read??

Pictionary, r263.

I’m sure he’s stuck at the Pearly Gate because god has had his fill of dumbshits.

He broke the law in India. His helpers need to be punished as they broke the law for him for some money.

His family is saying he may still be alive as they haven’t found his body.

R266 his body was crab food

Family and friends of an American adventurer killed in a bizarre mission to introduce Christianity to the most isolated Stone Age tribe on Earth say there is a chance he may still be alive.

Greeting Indian anthropologists

Didn't the fishermen say they saw through their binoculars him being hacked to death and that's why they alerted authorities? I don't think they would've outed themselves as lawbreakers if that wasn't the case.

Are they cannibals?

Not so far as is known.

R271 I don't think so, but they have been known to be brutal toward interlopers.

Exactly R270. That theory works.

Perhaps the young man had visions the inhabitants would make him King or Chief, or at least Witch Doctor.

R270, the fishermen saw his body being dragged on the beach and then buried. They seemed sure he was dead, so they contacted the authorities. But he wasn't "hacked;" I don't think the tribe has axes or knives.

They have everything. They have axes and hatchets. They're humans not animals!

If they have arrowheads, they've axes. What's wrong with you?

They don't have fire. Sixty thousand years of "evolution" and they haven't figured out how to control fire. What have they been doing with their ample time?

Well, sue me, R278. I know that they have arrows and spears, but their arrows are tipped with bits of metal they have canvased from stuff that washes up on the islands. Maybe they've made axes that way, or have made axes of bone, but I don't know if that has been observed. They seem pretty rigid in their thinking. In any event, this sap was not seen being chopped up with axes.

I wonder if they've ever learned to ferment alcohol. Do they smoke a "peace pipe?"

Send the family to look for him. That would make a great sequel.

[quote]Send the family to look for him. That would make a great sequel.

It would be a short episode.

Ugh. I've read comments from Christians on YouTube likening him to a martyr and demanding justice. One fool even wrote "the spirit of Jesus was attacked by savages.'

^ Has to be a clueless Rightie who haven't the faintest idea of who Jesus is.

He wanted to be Dances with Wolves, but became Sleeps with Fishes.

I agree R74... good examples. People don't leave well enough alone, and tempt fate. Christians are too much... only MY way, their "god" way cultists, trying to impose their beliefs in politics and others' way of life/thinking.

R280, wouldn't they have axes of rock and stone? Bone? The only bone here is your head😂

W P problems.

Perhaps R190 has to be the dumbest, ignorant troll with a know-it-all attitude. Claiming Chris Watts can't be percentage NA because most Europeans in NC and OK aren't unless they're affiliated with a tribe😅 Did your ancestors get flushed out of a Sicilian cesspool in the last century?

You're such an ass R190. Aren't you tired of losing?

Guess you don't have the heterozygous advantage for learning

Interesting.

R61 fuck you faggot. Seriously so fucking quick to blame a woman....oh wait if you see or spell woman you might turn straight. Sorry I meant FRAU. Jesus how many women lesbian and straight have stood by gay men? I have and being on DL makes me regret it. We get it, your mom was a bitch so all women...ooops FRAUS are. No I'm not anyone on here youre addressing. And yes you are faggot. A shitty wo!an hating faggot.

R292 fuck my bad spelling you won't read what I said? Then you too are a faggot. A stuck up faggot. Fuck I never knew how much so many gay men just shit all over women FRAUS and throws us all under a bus. Go worship hetero dick.

R293 The funny thing is that most straight men are disgusted by gay men. In the old days, straight men didn't hide their disgust and could get away with beating up gay men.

R293 Hollywood's gay propaganda hides the maliciousness of gay men towards women.

Gay men hate women, women hate str8 men, str8 men hate gay men. It’s a vicious cycle.

John Chau’s Death on North Sentinel Island Roils the Missionary World