Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

When will it Be Mushroom Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/21/18) e Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41)1) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

WW OP!

Thank you for not including fatso in your OP.

I just think this is going to be a crazy week. We're all focused for the next 24 hours on the elections but right after that we could get new indictments and new firings in the Trump administration

by Saturday we probably won't be talking about the elections anymore

He is included you'd just have expand the photo to get his girth.

Clever name OP.

I am so fucking nervous about what will or won't happen today.

I hear you, R8. I'll be turning most everything off starting in the afternoon.

Ivanka and Melania have the same tits. Same surgeon?

ugh on CNN they just showed the creepy way Trump introduced Ivanka at his rally tonight. Why is he obsessed with her looks? Is it because he knows she's his daughter and he wants to fuck himself?

From the last thread:

[quote]What does the Senate race in AZ look like?

Currently it's just about a dead heat, McSally leading by about a point.

[quote] I hear you, [R8]. I'll be turning most everything off starting in the afternoon.

Misread that as you'll be turning moist.

Dead heats are very rare. This is usually said when the Republicans are losing, and they have to explain why their candidate suddenly pulled ahead just enough to win.

Kinda off-topic, but his face-to-face with Cruz is delicious.

R14. Just so true. Somehow the Rs are going to win record-setting, across the board victories by slim margins. Many media outlets may have already called wins for Dems until a sudden surge by their Repug opponents snatch victories from them. Then Rachel, Don, Anderson, et all, will cry foul and Trump will call them "sore losers".

I hope I'm wrong about this.

sure you do, R16....why waste your time posting up such bullshit when you can be outside in the rain praying on it?

Who has voted already?

If you went to your polling place today and wouldn't mind sharing what state and what the polls looked like/ what the vibe was, I'd be interested in hearing it!

I love Beto. Wish I could write his name in on my ballot

Haven't voted yet here in Michigan. But excited too. Leaving work early today

Voted in Cleveland at 6:30 this morning. Line out the door, which was quite unusual that early. I’d say about two-thirds were women.

My NYC polling place was crazy this morning and there's not even competitive races in my neighborhood.

Connecticut 7:30 am, more votes cast by 7:30am than we usually get all day! Lines out the door.

Long Beach, NY 7:09 AM. There are never lines although there are occasionally shenanigans. It was hopping for a midterm despite the lack of competitive races. Good vibe.

For those of you who went to your polling places to vote today... any indication if there were more Democrats vs Rethugs turning out?

I’m in Charleston sc today for a conference, barely a soul going in or out of the polling place near me. Downtown location.

Trump sending many thousands of U.S. military personnel to the border is a huge waste of money and is nothing but a political ploy. There needs to be consequences.

This caravan is not the Chinese army.

It's about fear and hatemongering. Keeping people scared that those socilist Liberals will let those illegal Aliens in and then allow them to take over your own home and rape you and your family members with the consent of these socialist Liberals while poor, dear Trump's hands are tied.

Bump for Treasonous folk!

Who is this Mueller that you keep mentioning? Voted 7:15 Philly Burbs, short line.

R25 I vote in the Mississippi Delta. More Dem's (people of color ) showed up . I went hella early (like 8:30) and about 40% of the voter roll book was filled.

The Mississippi Delta is MS's blue region. Approximately 1/3 of the counties in MS are blue and most are along the Mississippi River. When I drove around I could tell the rain here didn't deter people of color. I also volunteered in DeSoto County b/c it is Shelby County, TN's sister county. The ballot shows up as a special election and it doesn't tell you who is what party. I really think Cindy Hyde-Smith is going to lose because Chris McDaniel is going to steal some of her votes.

How did I miss this nugget? Hugh Jackman has been close, personal friends, with Ivanka and Jared for 15 years and continues to be.

Hugh Jackman is dead to me, R32. I hope he has died in your universe.

Just voted in Michigan. I think it's going to be a big win for Democrats. Wittmore for Govenor and Debbie Stabenow to stay as Senator. Schuette was slime poisoning the people of Flint. Big lines

I have a good feeling for Beto

Pres Tre45on needs to be indicted like now!

I can't stand it right now. I'm freaking nervous!

Just a reminder for those watching live results:

[quote]Yes. There's already proof. I work in the industry. I sat in a meeting with the head of cyber security investigations for the FBI in Florida. Their systems were hacked in 2016. What's difficult is proving that (or more accurately stated "how") the votes were manipulated. But go back to election night and remember how Trump pulled ahead in Florida, NC, MI, PA and WI. It happened almost like clock work once the precincts reporting crossed the 50% threshold. This shit is deep. Putin had already done this in his own election and also in Ukraine. We should be very worried about the EU elections coming up.

Pay attention and see if you notice any funny stuff.

That's your cue, Mr. Muller...

What a night! I'm giddy in anticipation of the damage a Dem House can do to Trump and the GOP! Don't let me down, you guys!

Last night was rough to start out. Glad we pulled it out.

Am I the only one though that feels like the Repugs didn't care about the House and for some reason (obviously nefarious) decided it was worth more to use their cheating resources to secure the Senate?

Part of me feels like (and wouldn't be surprised) if they "let" Dems take the House in an effort to cover up for their cheating and stealing seats in the Senate.

So Dotard is out there saying that if Dems start investigating he'll be forced to start investigating them.

uh.

Isn't that obstruction?

r41, probably, but whatever, Trump literally gets away with EVERYTHING he says.

So first Nancy Pelosi and now Eric Swalwell both say investigations into Orange Fuckface are not on the agenda, and that bi-partisanship will be the order of the day, because God knows when Democrats try to work with Republicans, the Republicans work with the Dems and everything is just peachy keen. Oh and look, Eric even wants to work with Drumpf himself! That will work out well.

So glad I worked so hard and for so long to try to turn Congress blue again.

That's exactly what they should be saying today, R43. It's what they should continue to say even as they launch investigations of Trump and his cabinet.

What's old is what's new, the same dog tired faces in leadership roles for the Dems. God I hate being a Democrat.

[quote]God I hate being a Democrat.

Then it's a good thing you're not.

The Democrats bark is worse than their bite. I’m afraid the Democrats will be weak in the House and start being nice to the Republicans.

Hey ya'll just wondering if anyone here has heard if I'm still employed?

Nancy said that they'll investigate corruption and the like by the administration. Start with the low-hanging fruit of Zinke and the like. Then if Mueller delivers, go for the kill.

Will the midterms being over affect the midterms?!

The Nixon Blueprint, give the Mueller Report to the House.

[quote] So first Nancy Pelosi and now Eric Swalwell both say investigations into Orange Fuckface are not on the agenda, and that bi-partisanship will be the order of the day

Who do they say things like this? Sure you have to hammer out stuff with the other side to get stuff done. But why state you won't go for investigations?

I wonder how many democrats who say shit like this republicans can now count on voting with them.

We are now in the Lame Duck of this Congress.

Trump retains control of of Congress until Jan 3rd.

They are saying anything to keep Trump from make more of a mess before the new House is seated.

Patience, puppies, patience.

r44, with all due respect, I don't trust Nancy Pelosi to launch an investigation into anything, not when the last time she could have her answer was "Impeachment is off the table."

Well he's speaking at 11: 30 this morning r53, so they better get a lid on him fast.

Because we ALL know how much he's going to gloat.

I don't know r48, why don't you go and ask your boss (while he still is your boss) and find out?

Why the fuck would Nancy and the Democrats play their hand so early. It is time for Mueller to come out swinging and take a few heads off

Just a reminder....the states where Dems lost, Fla and Ga, both had obvious election suppression and tampering.....both should be investigated.

R40, that's ridiculous. By losing the House, the Republicans lost their ability to protect Trump and advance their legislative agenda. They have gained no power in the Senate that they did not already have.

R59 not ridiculous. It makes it much easier for them to place lifetime appointments on Courts, to start.

Clear some more cookies though.

r60 = stalker

R61 whatever you need to tell yourself to distract from your trolling.

I agree with R44, the DEMs need to say they will work with Trump if he has a good idea - which he never does. Infrastructure is the only place I can see them working with them but Trump wants it all privatized. D's conduct investigations in tandem with lip service. Drumpf is such a fucking baby he will probably refuse to work with D's anyway, especially if they're investigating him. Then there is the Senate. Let's face it, ain't shit gonna get done and we will be in recession in 2019.

r62 = paranoid schizophrenic seeing boogey men everywhere. you're a sick fuck.

You seem really bothered, R64. You should examine that.

Oh look a troll's gotta troll!

The Ds should beat them to the chase by unveiling a huge infrastructure bill day one. Let the Rs nix it at their own peril. Same with ACA and DACA. They should reveal the Rs as the true obstructionists.

[quote]They should reveal the Rs as the true obstructionists.

Anyone with half a brain already realizes this... and the others.... well, they're deplorables.

[quote]They should reveal the Rs as the true obstructionists.

Say what?

Trump lying and spinning his way through a press conference right now. But very low energy. Sad!

THe Democrats need to stop their work with Republicans bullshit.

I refuse to watch the Orange Menace, is he doing a lot of gloating? Is he saying stupid incomprehensible things? Is he hopefully have a stroke and dying right before your eyes?

Oh wait...Pence....nevermind.

Didn't McTurtle say that if Clinton were made President they would start Day 1 by Investigating her?

Trump is so petty -- calling out by name the Republicans who didn't ask him to campaign for them and lost.

Trump is in an awfully foul mood given that he's claiming the midterms were a huge victory for him.

He's scared. He better be.

Trump calls Jim Acosta "a rude, horrible person." NBC's Peter Alexander defends Acosta and Trump says, "Well, I'm not a huge fan of yours, either."

[quote]Let's face it, ain't shit gonna get done and we will be in recession in 2019.

A hard but likely truth.

[quote] The Ds should beat them to the chase by unveiling a huge infrastructure bill day one.

Agreed. It's time the GOP is out on the defensive. Infrastructure ACA anything reasonable. Trump himself has no idea what's going on. This will make him lash out wildly and dig them all into a deeper hole.

what's Mueller waiting for regarding a new indictment or 2?

[quote]NBC's Peter Alexander defends Acosta and Trump says, "Well, I'm not a huge fan of yours, either."

To which the response should be, "That almost hurt my feelings. Almost. But my job here is to ask questions so I'm gonna keep doing my job."

R81 That’s pretty much what he did say.

Good for him R82. Peter Alexander always strikes me as a mensch.

I can't bring myself to actually watch the shitshow

I’d go with “this is a presidential press conference not the congeniality portion of the swimsuit pageant.”

[quote] Am I the only one though that feels like the Repugs didn't care about the House and for some reason (obviously nefarious) decided it was worth more to use their cheating resources to secure the Senate?

Yeah. I think the Russian objective this time was the Senate. It wasn't to increase their power because the Senate have a couple more Repugs doesn't really make any difference. It was to create chaos and make sure that there is still some sort of backstop to impede investigations and legislation concerning Russian interference and sanctions.

Why would people go to the polls in the same state, vote a bunch of Dems into the House, pass a bunch of progressive initiatives, and then vote for Repug Senators by small percentages? Makes no sense. Florida, Georgia, Ohio, and Missouri need to be investigated. Kemp from Georgian needs to be indicted for election tampering.

Add Texas to the list they need to investigate.

All Russia has to do to keep Trump in office in 2020 is be able to fix the elections in Florida, Ohio, and Texas and make sure he holds Missouri and Iowa, etc. Tonight was the trial run for 2020. That's why they didn't fuck with the House races. Those don't matter for 2020's presidential election.

BREAKING!!! SESSIONS SUBMITS LETTER OF RESIGNATION TO TRUMP

Can they investigate him too??

New acting Atty General is Sessions's Chief of Staff, will take over from Rosenstein.

The fight is on!

And it begins.

I'm ready for my Attorney General close-up!

Matt Miller: This is the worst replacement in terms of the Mueller investigation. Whittaker has aligned himself with Trump on the investigation and will stifle it. He needs to recuse himself from overseeing Mueller because of his statements against the investigation.

[quote]He needs to recuse himself from overseeing Mueller because of his statements against the investigation.

SPOILER ALERT: He won't.

R92 Yep. He's already let his opinion be known at CNN last year:

We're drafting the subpoenas to drag Sessions and Whittaker in front of the Committee as we speak.

The Acting AG is temporary. He must be confirmed by the Senate.

Jerry Nadler: Any move to handicap the Mueller investigation puts all options on the table.

There's no way Whittaker will recuse himself. Trump wouldn't have nominated him if he hadn't gotten him to say he wouldn't. Trump wouldn't make that mistake twice.

Impeachment isn't going to happen. We would need the Senate for that. And Dems do not vote in lockstep like Republicans do.

He got so many questions about why he doesn't just end the Mueller investigation today.

I'm sure he left the podium and immediately fired Sessions.

R75 cause trump Jr will be indicted. Was in NY mag today.

when the fuck is Mueller going to drop a new indictment?

News flash - Trump just fired Jeff Sessions. That didn't take long.

Unless they literally kill Mueller, everything he’s uncovered to date will be made public. All the Democrat-controlled House needs to do is invite him to publically testify. They can do that now.

I think Mueller, if called to publicly testify, would end up saying he couldn't answer things because they are still under federal investigation. He's too honorable to not do that.

Interesting that Sessions made it clear in his resignation that Drumpfy fired him.

[quote]We're drafting the subpoenas to drag Sessions and Whittaker in front of the Committee as we speak.

I'm rehearsing my responses right now:

"I do not recall."

Memorized!

Remember, Don McGhan isn't there anymore. I'm not even sure he's been replaced. It's likely that neither Trump nor Kelly knew that that simple wording in the resignation letter determines who replaces Sessions when they accepted it. If he's fired, which Sessions made clear he was in that letter, then Trump doesn't get who he wants.

Count down to Mueller firing before the end of the year.

What do you mean, R107?

End of the year, R108?

Rosenstein summoned to white house this afternoon. Reporting that Whitaker will now oversee Mueller

Trump wants to destroy the investigation before the Dem House takes over.

If they fire Mueller, the House can just appoint him to essentially resurrect the investigation in January.

R109, DOJ has rules of succession in case of dismissal / firing, and the Acting AG should be the #2, Rosenstein. But in case of resignations, there is another act under which the president can appoint someone else qualified. This is why Cheeto appointed Whitaker.

Commentators speculate the wording of the resignation "at your request" amounts to a dismissal / firing. Therefore, it isn't exactly legal to appoint Whittaker. But Cheeto will do what he wants and it's debatable if anything can be done even if it's illegal.

R113 I think Trump's strategy is that the firing will make him look "strong" and if the Dem House starts an investigation, he can then more easily characterize it as a Dem "witch hunt". I mean given that he knows independent voters have largely abandoned him, his only road to re-election is to strengthened his hold on Republicans by whipping up their victim mentality and party loyalty.

R109/R114, here's an article from last year explaining the multiple scenarios.

You just know that even if he's breaking the law, Trump will get away with it. I don't understand how he just gets away with everything all the fucking time.

Idjit, this is alike a huge flashing neon sign that says I AM NOW GOING TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE!!!!!

I'm just imagining Rosenstein, Mueller, etc. making phone calls and just saying, "Code Orange. Code Orange." and everyone jumps into action. I think Trump just sped up his own downfall. Can someone give Trump a handgun and escort him and Melania to a nice bunker?

The whole part about Sessions making sure to include, "At your request," sticks with me. I can't recall any other person in that Administration who has been fired and has done anything other than pretend they left willingly.

Not that anyone is going to do anything about anything Drumpf is doing illegally.

Trump is not going to win this one. He's playing checkers against people who are grand master chess champs.

R117 The framers of the Constitution put too much faith in the American people. The president is sort of nebulously sits above the law. It was assumed that a person who could get through the process of being elected president was unlikely to abuse his power. Even so, checks were put in place, but the kind of looking the other way/hyper partisanship we see on the part of the GOP was not predicted.

The checks worked with Nixon. But not this time, it would seem.

And that, R122, is solely because the Repugs are a completely immoral and criminal party.

[quote]Trump is not going to win this one. He's playing checkers against people who are grand master chess champs.

The problem is he's won everything else because everyone just keeps letting him get away with it all. He might be playing checkers with masterminds, however, what good is it if none of them are willing to or have the capacity to stop him from throwing all the pieces on the floor and proclaiming victory?

[quote]Idjit, this is alike a huge flashing neon sign that says I AM NOW GOING TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE!!!!!

This is a man who admitted ON TAPE that he sexually assaults women, and bragged about it. And then a few weeks after that was disclosed, he was elected president of the United States.

Trump's hold over his cult is such that he van do literally anything he wants -- as he once crowed himself -- and they will think it's the greatest thing anyone has ever done.

I will say that I'm a little confused at the firing. What is Drumpfy scared of? He has the Senate filled with other guilty MF'ers who are going to protect him so what does he think is going to happen to him?

What CAN happen to him?

He wants to end the Mueller investigation, which is a boat anchor around the neck of his administration. He gets some protection from the senate but there are many ways the investigation can hurt him, and his family, that the senate can do nothing about.

He has to move quickly R126 because I'm pretty sure this is just the first of a ton of shit he's going to do before January.

Question: If this is Trump's Saturday Night Massacre, will anything happen with these criminal Repugs still in charge of the Senate? If Nixon had this Senate, he would not have had to resign as far as I'm concerned. This is Watergate (only worse) without even a single Repug with a conscience or any respect for the rule of law.

PS: This explains why I think the Russians made sure the Repugs held the Senate. The Blue Wave happened but the Russians built a breakwater to stop it from hitting certain areas.

Trump wants to be both the bully and the victim! He's the epitome of white rage.

R129 I agree with the poster above who questioned why they left the House alone. It's obvious they have the capacity to fuck with the votes and probably did, but only with the Senate.

If they interrupted the Blue Wave completely it would have been too suspicious and I don't think they really care about or are concerned about the House.

Gosh, look at this from Tim Hogan:

R98 impeachment happens in the House. Then a trial in the Senate overseen by John Roberts. Just like what the GOP did to Clinton. Impeachment and removal from office are two separate things.,

Concerning R132's link:

Congress is still in recess, correct? Then this is considered a recess appointment. He's doing the third of these three scenarios. Is that possible?

Yes, the buzz was Russia wouldn't hack this election so that trump could say there is no Russian hacking issue. Then 2020 can be a shit show again

I have a feeling that Mueller has already prepared for this Trump move. I’m not worried. Trump can’t save his children no matter what he does.

Which prison will the children be sent to? Will Ivanka be able to maintain her hair colour or will she revert to poop brown?

Media still hasn't seen through Trump. They all commented that he wasn't in a good mood today. But they assumed it was about the results of the Midterms. He fired Sessions today. He could have waited until Friday, or until next week. But he fired him today. I suspect it's because something very big is getting ready to go down.

As much as I will love Trump's children going on trial and hopefully to prison, that doesn't affect my or my family's life. They are going to fuck up the ACA, Social Security, Medicare, food safety, the environment, and the economy as much as they can in the next two months. Is there anything that can be done to stop them from passing everything they want in the next two months? Usually, decorum and tradition mean that the lame duck House wouldn't do anything big but these fuckers don't care about that. Ryan wants to kill SS and Medicare. This is his last chance.

Poop brown! No dye in the slammer. I'm not sure how they do the tats but she should get a few. "DADDY'S GIRL" comes to mind.

Wonder how smug the TrumpTot will look in his mugshot.

McConnel said he would cut Social Security, yet people still voted for Republican Senators? No, I don't think so.

Republicans have been squawking about cutting social security since the program was first established, yet people kept voting for them. People are stupid.

R142, the Repugs have also spend the good part of a decade trying to kill Obamacare with its protection for pre-existing conditions and then just started blatantly lying about that over the last three weeks and these idiots who vote for them just went right along with it. They could literally say that they want to take your Social Security away to protect you from the evil Dems who want to give you more and these idiots would just keep voting for them.

Mueller's findings better be ready...he should have laid down the law before the election. Anything to favor Republicans, to hell with the citizens.

Anyway, Whitaker will quickly fire Mueller. Sessions should burn in hell as far as I can see but maybe the little elf will start remembering a few things?

Texas...Many caught their votes being changed by the voting machines from O'Rourke to Cruz....HOW MANY WERENT CAUGHT ?

Georgia...Abrams trails by a small margin...How many ballots were discarded because of Kemps rules and blatant acts at voter suppression ?

Florida...Nelson, Warner, Burr and other members of the Senate IC stated publicly last month that Russia was actively tampering with the Fla election...nobody listened....DID THEY SUCCEED ?

THERE NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATIONS AS WELL AS RECOUNTS IN THESE STATES.

R147 If that's true, then why did Beto give such a heartfelt concession speech? If you and others on here know something and believe it, wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he be contesting just like Abrams in Georgia and the guy in Florida?

I'm not necessarily doubting you, just wanting more info.

R148, it's not conjecture. The vote changes were verified by election officials in Texas. Then, they, ya know, fixed it. All better. Uh huh.

Moveon rallies tonight for protests. Their website has info

I will bet you Trump got word within the past three or four weeks that Mueller had sealed indictments for him and his family and a few others, and they'd be opened after the Midterms. That's why he fired Sessions today. As CNN's Toobin pointed out, he could even give him until Friday, he had to make him leave on a Wednesday. To humiliate him further. One thing is sure. IF Whittaker doesn't give him perfect absolute loyalty and block Mueller, Whittaker will be dead in the water too. I don't like Whittaker. He looks menacing and evil....just like Trump looked today at his news conference. Trump looked like he had just committed a murder before he walked out to the podium. Hopefully it was political suicide.

Mueller is much smarter than Pres Bone Spurs. Mueller knew this all was coming about Sessions. Hang tight.

Jim Acosta's WH press credentials have been suspended.

Pres Bone Spurs is a sore loser. And also a loser in general.

Jim Acosta needs an escort around the WH while some White Supremacist walks around the WH lawn and Tweets pictures?

Journalists need to stand together and just shut boycott Drumpf. Of course they won't.

Meanwhile in Brazil

Also in Brazil

Protest info for Thursday.

This is my theory:

The admin decided that the investigation needed to end before dems took the House. Understandable considering the implications. They are in charge of FBI oversight after all.

So they decide to have a huge circus like press conference as a distraction while Sessions was canned. They immediately sidelined Rosenstien and have since become privy to all the evidence Mueller has.

So now they know what the goods are so expect Ghouliani to make some appearances soon to counter the newly discovered evidence.

Matt Oswalt's brilliant reply to Ann Cuntler:

So just saw Tester held on to the Senate seat in Montana! The Trumpies must be livid!

What rock has Ghouliani crawled under? Is he still around spewing his nonsense?

So he’s got all the evidence and has given it over to the admin.

He would have asked Mueller for a full briefing on the first day of his new post.

Now they have all the evidence and repigs are going to just roll over and let this happen.

This is the Saturday night massacre all over again

Do you realize the sheer volume of evidence they have? They'd probably have to meet for six straight months to share it all with this new idiot. He knows nothing. He was Sessions' chief of staff. He was essentially recused from the investigation the moment Sessions recused himself. There is also everything that Mueller has placed in various state AG offices throughout the eastern seaboard. Whittaker has nothing.

Why in the world do women pay for those matronly boobs? I don't get it.

The House is going to have many investigations to start up. Trump and Jared, first thing, all their crooked deals...then Nunes and several others. People will be going to prison.

Is it me or is the media super quiet tonight?

Either they are all on vacation after the election or they are all scrambling to figure out what’s going on in DC.

R166, are you talking about Mother Pence? I think those came with her...

So have we been taken over by a foreign country or not?

Will there be like an official announcement?

I think the presser today was the announcement.

R160:

[quote]So they decide to have a huge circus like press conference as a distraction while Sessions was canned. They immediately sidelined Rosenstien and have since become privy to all the evidence Mueller has. So now they know what the goods are so expect Ghouliani to make some appearances soon to counter the newly discovered evidence.

What on earth makes you think they have "since become privy to all the evidence Mueller has"? You think the new guy has suddenly, magically managed to find out everything about the Mueller investigation (which he didn't know before, he worked for the recused Sessions) and passed it on to Trump? There's no evidence for that at this time.

Mueller will definitely have been prepared for this fuckery by Dump. We'll have to wait and see what he does.

I wonder if Mueller has block-chained the evidence in many locations?

Mueller handed off the Cohen case to NY. The Cohen case has the dirt on trump. Trump cannot stop the state of New York from investigating and filing charges. It's not federal jurisdiction.

[quote]Why in the world do women pay for those matronly boobs? I don't get it.

For the same reason they pay for those gigantic fish lips - dick pillows.

Not sure which thread to post this one but I wanted to choke Steve Israel last night. He was on two MSNBC shows spouting nonsense about how suburban districts don't want the Dems to over-reach with investigations. They elected people to get things done. No Steve they elected people to check THE fucking Orange Menace. Steve Israel is part of the problem.

[quote]I’d go with “this is a presidential press conference not the congeniality portion of [bold]one of your[/bold] swimsuit pageant[bold]s[/bold].”

FIFY, R84

I need a Legal scholar, ( or reasonable facsimile) to answer this: If Mueller were to subpoena Matthew Whitaker, the Night Club bouncer in front of a grand jury to question hi about his own collusion with the Trump White House to undermine the Mueller investigation and to participate in Obstruction of Justice regarding the Sessions firing, would that then prevent him from overseeing the investigation? He's dumb as a box of rocks and knows nothing about the Law. How can he preside over the fucking Justice Department? He'd be wholly dependent on Rosenstein and others to run the shop because he knows nothing.

Thank you r176...I thought the same thing...he was so obnoxious clinging to his self made talking points...one of the few times I was actually pleased Chris "Juicy" Mathews did his trademark interruptions!

BREAKING: RBG fractures 3 ribs in a fall and is hospitalized

[quote]Trump wants to be both the bully and the victim! He's the epitome of white rage.

As a gay, white man, I think that is dead on. Dead on.

Ok, which one of you Deplorable bitches pushed RBG?

Did Brett Kavanaugh push RBG down a flight of stairs a la House of Cards?

Victoria Grayson strikes again!

CNN's David P Gelles just now: ‏ NEW: Mueller's team has begun writing its final report, multiple sources told CNN.

R185, I hope to hell they write fast.

I'd love to see a class action by voters in GA (not the current suing of the office of the Sec. of State), and a request to the UN voting oversight team to monitor any further elections.

Treat them like the 3rd world assholes they are and watch their every move.

[quote]I hope to hell they write fast.

I can see the scenes in the movie now: Mueller's alpha intelligences, shirtsleeved, pulling all-nighters; while in another scene vicious dunces at the WH strategise, and make bullying calls to stifle by any means the final report.

The contrast between Mueller's tense focused steadiness and Trump's ever wilder aggressive panic would make for great cinema.

Trump is going to do everything in his power to stop Mueller from every going public. He's too stupid to realize in Washington, with the kind of loyalty he commands, it will be public before the ink dries. Oh. And writing the final report will not stop indictments. Mueller doesn't need Whitaker's permission to indict anyone of a crime.

R188 All The Special Ivestigator’s Men (& Women)?

R189 I thought Mueller did need permission to indict?

He's a prosecutor. He empaneled a grand jury, he has indicted people already, and he will indict more people. As someone duly authorized to investigate and prosecute, he can indict anyone he as evidentiary reasons to believe is guilty of a crime. The oversight of Rosenstein or anyone else was to act as a safeguard that the rules are being followed, the law is being followed, and the guidelines for the Special Prosecutor are being followed. They were put in place to safeguard the exact thing Trump is trying to do. Trump would indict people or investigate people for phony political reasons and he would subjectively ignore people who are in fact guilty of crimes. Rosenstein's function was to make sure the law and the rules were followed and the investigation was conducted in the letter and spirit of the law with integrity. He could not legally stop Mueller from indicting some one they believed guilty of criminal wrong doing All Mueller was really required to do is report his findings to Rosenstein, not get Rosenstein's approval to act as judge and jury.

Is Don Jr getting his ass thrown in jail tomorrow?

so i'm guessing Mueller won't drop any new indictments or unseal any sealed until he hands over the report?

maybe he suspects Trump would do something extreme if the public finds out his son has been indicted

Whitaker's "friends" are saying "he would never allow Mueller to indict the President." LOL!!! Asshole. That's Obstruction since he was placed there for that very purpose.

The new NY AG Tweeted that the Special Counsel investigations will continue. Trump’s just delaying the inevitable.

I CANNOT wait for NY AG elect Letitia James to dig into Trump's ass with all those business and charity investigations next year lol he's not going to be able to escape state charges and Cuomo sure as hell won't pardon him or his spawn

it's a shame Florida couldn't have elected Gillum and Dem AG candidate so Trump would have had to worry about Florida state charges too relating to Mar A Lago

Florida has a corporate tax. Hmmmm.

Congressional Dems sending 'document retention' letters to all and sundry following the firing of Sessions.

Whoever has been directing the Plump show is a genius. It could be you-know-who. Don’t underestimate what they are doing with the FBI.

I was wrong. Whitaker apparently told friends he'd never allow Mueller to subpoena Trump. Not even a subpoena?

CNN said this morning that should Trump fire Mueller, the House Democrats plan to immediately call Mueller to testify to lay out his findings.

It's all going to come out one way or another. I actually think it would hurt Trump and Republicans much more if the new AG tried to sit on the report and not release it. That would cause an epic backlash. Republicans would have no way of defending against that.

Whats going on with the protests that are supposed to be happening today....Ive heard nothing about them.

The protests are planned for 5 PM R204. IIRC correctly, it had to do with the time Trump fired Sessions. If it was before I think 1, then protests would be planned that day. If he fired Sessions after 1, protests would be planned for the next day.

R203 "CNN said this morning that should Trump fire Mueller, the House Democrats plan to immediately call Mueller to testify to lay out his findings."

Yes, but that's not until after January 3rd. A lot of damage can be done between now and then.

Coward’ Lindsey Graham Called Out For Empty Vow To Unleash ‘Holy Hell’ On Trump

[quote] That would cause an epic backlash. Republicans would have no way of defending against that.

Backlash, by who? The media which never holds them accountable? The Democratic Party in its neverending quest for bipartisan efforts (All they have in their arsenal is being as "concerned" as that conservative cunt Susan Collins)? The general public that is more busy keeping up with the Kardashians than to actually care?

The Republicans haven't been defensive the whole time. They dig her heels in no matter how much they come off as hypocrites, women / black / gay haters. And they are not being held accountable for anything by anyone. You can't shame them. You can't actually make them change their way, because they are too self satisfied with what they accomplished so far. To them they are on the right track and nothing will stop them. Except a hangman's noose or a guilotine working 24/7 for several weeks.

The conservatives will come up with a terrorist attack and then bully the Senate into submission with "Why do you hate America so much?" and "Support The Troops" memes blasted by the Right Wing owned propaganda machinery and the Liberals will be, once more, defensive and let things slide and jump aside to let the conservatives push through.

Nobody is actually standing up to them in a way that really stops them in their tracks.

Sorry, they dig THEIR heels in no matter how much ...

R206 There is no damage Trump can do to the Mueller investigation that will change the resolve of the Dems to continue investigating him. In fact, the bigger his tantrum the easier it gets for the Dem to mount more investigations! In fact, many people voted the Dems in to investigate this rogue president. So game on!

Are the protests happening? Should we have a thread?

Never mind, of course they’re happening

Everyone is so confident that even if Mueller is fired that Drumpfy can't stop what has been set up for State charges.... but hasn't he alreayd got that covered with Kav on the Supreme Court? They're supposed to be reviewing the ability of states to continue placing charges on someone who has been pardoned, no?

I nominate Matt Oswalt for a complimentary blowjob. Maybe more than one, I have no idea what he looks like.

Best Coulterburn Ever.

I was talking about Ivanka's matronly boobs. She has a nice youthful slim figure but then those huge milk bags fall down to her waist. It looks awful.

There are charges pending in NY that have never been tried in Washington. So that law under review by SCOTUS is not applicable.

R216 Yes, and with this bunch of life-long crooks, there is no shortage of crimes the state can find to charge anyway.

I believe that Mueller has enough evidence to convict Trump on many different felonies.

Nixon was never impeached or tried.

Nixon resigned.

Muelller will be releasing information to the new Congress in 2019.

It all begins then.

We have to make it to January 3rd.

Many people voted Dem to investigate and check this out of control menace to our republic.

Jared is going to be quite popular in prison; Trump not so much.

R219 Especially the independent voters who rallied to the Dems. If the Dems wanna keep them around for the next election, they need to call out this rogue president and rein him in with real consequences for his bullying and lying.

r221 They will. But Nancy and Co are not going to blow their wad and do something rash and stupid so I hope everyone is patient. They will absolutely hold Pres Bone Spurs to account and all his minions and enablers as well.

Nancy hasn’t got the guts to go hardcore on Trump.

🔥🔥🔥DC source: Arrest of Donald Trump Jr. is “imminent.”

R224 I am thinking Pelosi will just use Mueller to torment Trump until he goes mad. Classic Chinese water torture seems more her style.

It must be happening tomorrow.

I want to see the long perp walk.

R224 Pelosi has been in the House since 1987!!! She's not someone to underestimate.

They usually notify the attorney the night before so they and their defendant can show up in court in the morning.....so there could be credible rumors circulating....add to that Junior making comments that hes about to be indicted. If thats the case, this weekend is going to be a doozy.

Unlike Trump, Pelosi won't be ranting and raving when she sticks a knife in you.

Now I want Jared to do something stupid, like try to flee the country incognito.

[quote]DC source: Arrest of Donald Trump Jr. is “imminent.”

Please let this be true.

Mueller has to turn the table. Start indicting again now! Go for the inner circle, starting with Junior Mint and Stone.

Interesting....Maddow is reporting that Mueller has to report to Whitaker.....and Whitaker can stop or prevent any action Mueller wants to take. That being said, is that why Trump wanted Sessions gone YESTERDAY ? Is there an indictment of Junior, and Trump is hoping Whitaker will quash it ? It would explain the urgency.

This is all so crazy. Of course the new guy has reviewed the evidence by now. Hello, that’s what any new AG would do. They would demand a detailed update, and the council would comply (?) and couldn’t tell the press.

It’s all happening before our eyes. What do you think they are doing right now? They’re not sitting around waiting to be rounded up. The Council’s office has probably been raided by now. It’s not like we would know.

Why do you think the dems put out the warning about preserving evidence today.

Is there a thread for the protests tonight? I can’t find one.

Chris Matthews ripped Democrats to shreds tonight for not raising holy hell over his firing of Sessions. He said that Trump is making fools out of Democrats. Chris was mad as hell.

One of the panelists said that Trump is running America like a banana republic, and Chris said, "Well, Democrats are acting like a bunch of bananas."

Isn't this a bit futile? Unless Trump tops this off with a military coup in the next 2 months, when the Dems gain power in January, they will just restart any parts of the investigation that the Trumpies are trying destroy right now, and they could even bring charges against those participating in this act of obstruction of justice.

[quote]they could even bring charges against those participating in this act of obstruction of justice.

Only the DoJ could do that.

Republican Rep. Handel in Georgia ousted by Dem gun control activist McBath! The Dems may end up with 230 seats in the House for a gain of 35 seats. The polls actually got it right.

What if anything did Lindsay Graham say about Sessions?

R241 then wtf happened with Gillum and O'Rourke !?!?!?!?!?!

I swear sometimes le'polls are epic practical jokers

R237, there are a couple... you have to dig through all the mundane threads about obscure topics to find them.

What do you mean R243? The polls never showed Beto winning. Most had him losing by at least 5 points. He ended up losing by 2.6 points. He actually did better than was predicted.

r243....Nelson, Warner and Burr, along with several other members of the Senate IC stated publicly last month that Russia was ACTIVELY tampering with the Florida election. Rick Scott and others in Florida dismissed the idea.....did they succeed ?

People in Texas caught their votes being changed from O'Rourke to Cruz by the voting machines...election officials said they fixed the problem....did they ?...and how many changed votes werent caught ?

And what was the actual number R245 after you count back in all those voters who saw their votes flip from Beto to Booger Eater right before their eyes?

R238, that’s typical Chris, misdirecting his anger.

Nancy had a conference call today with the entire Democratic Caucus of the House to discuss what they can do about the Whitaker appointment, and protecting Mueller.

Why aren't they shouting that the Whitaker appointment is illegal?

If Sessions was fired the position is supposed to go to Rosenstein, right?

I'm going to ask this on the "Sources say Mueller is ready" thread, too. Eldergays, was there this much paranoia in autumn 1973? I know it doesn't exactly correlate -- by that point, Watergate had already received televised hearings -- but I'd still like to know.

[quote] they could even bring charges against those participating in this act of obstruction of justice.

The legislative branch does not have any prosecutorial authority -- it can only refer cases to the Justice Department for prosecution.

[quote] What if anything did Lindsay Graham say about Sessions?

Well, last year he said that if Trump fired Mueller there would be "holy hell to pay" and it would be the beginning of the end of his administration. Now, however, he's changed his tune, and he looks forward to working with the WH to find a suitable replacement for the Keebler Elf.

Pelosi may not be the best public speaker or the best "face" of the House Dems but make no mistake, Nancy knows how to do the job. Speaker is not for a novice. You have to know all the ins and outs of the job. It is why Ryan sucked! Too young and novice.

Plus, he was goddamn evil.

Did you know that Nancy Pelosi is Italian?

Nancy Pelosi was born into an Italian-American family, the youngest of six children of Annunciata M. "Nancy" D'Alesandro (née Lombardi; 1909–1995), who was born in Campobasso, South Italy, and Thomas D'Alesandro, Jr., who was a Democratic Congressman from Maryland and a Mayor of Baltimore.

For those of you who are stating that Whittaker can stop Mueller from indicting Don Jr., you forgot one thing...

There are about 100 sealed indictments already in place. Those are done deals and I have no doubt that Don Jr.'s name is on at least one of them with multiple criminal counts attached.

Mueller about to pull some "Carrie in the gym" shit y'all

R257 Getting my popcorns ready.

R257, and Sarah Huckabee Sanders can make the same sounds the grating voiced English teacher did when he was electrocuted.

Can’t those indictments be recalled by the justice department?

Thoughts and prayers for Don Jr to be indicted tomorrow.

Do we know for a fact that there are sealed indictments or is it just an internet theory?

Tester winning in Montana, Sinema leading now in Arizona... looks like GOP's Senate victory is fading quite a bit. If only Don Jr. was indicted before the election...

I don't think so, R261. These are grand jury indictments in multiple states. The grand juries have already been empaneled and found that there was enough evidence to move forward and indict. They sealed them to keep them out of the public record because they are highly material to the ongoing investigation.

R265 Which would make Trump's latest effort to obstruct the investigation or save Jr. at his stage futile...

Some info on possible sealed indictment of Trump himself. Basically, if Mueller has any clue at all what he's doing, everyone is already under sealed indictment, including Trump himself. And, I have no doubt that Mueller knows exactly what he's doing.

The protests are being blacked out by the media. You can find photos in twitter. #protectmueller

Are we still waiting on Meuller to stop this insanity?? Well, let me just ask, if Mueller doesn't have the goods (there is no "proof" that he does), then what do we do? Meuller is the Deus ex Machina in all this. And after so much damage and a lot of time, there's been no stopping of Trump as he continues to wreck or destroy decades-long established protocols. Look at the precedent he steamrolled over re Whitaker. The definition of insanity is to do something the same way and expect a different outcome. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems we're all insane.

[quote]I hope I'm wrong, but it seems we're all insane.

Nope, just you, Boris.

R269 here. I'm not Boris. I am not insane. I just can't accept pinning all our hope on Meuller. I posit this theory because we haven't had any tangible results yet.

R271, pretty much the entire upper echelon of Trump's campaign is awaiting sentencing. Those are called tangible results. You are called a lying troll. Bye, Boris.

I just finished Omarosa’s book, Unhinged. And she details how Trump basically has a raging case of dementia, word salad all day every day, and he has zero empathy for anyone. I believe her. They are all attempting to cover for this. But there are cracks and the cracks are getting larger because Trump and his minions, due to the election results, cannot control all branches of the government any longer and Mueller just has to stand there silently for Trump to slowly.go bats*t insane. When Mueller comes down, it will be meticulously perfect. And he will pick his time and it will be a perfect time. He knows what’s at stake. You notice, there are no leaks happening on his end. He’s not out to play political football in the public arena, he’s out to save this country.

My bet is that Mueller has already filed the indictments of Jr, Stone, etc., and possibly even Trump, but that these indictments are currently sealed. What I don't understand/have knowledge on is the process by which these indictments can be unsealed. Does Mueller still need to be in place to do it, or can others from the DoJ do it? Any of our DL Wise Ones care to enlighten us on this?

Okay, just found this:

[quote]The only question is whether they got the grand jury to approve whatever indictments they were working on. I’d be surprised if Mueller didn’t (unless Rod Rosenstein prevented him from doing so).

[quote]If that’s the case, then Whitaker is not going to help Trump get out of his legal troubles. That’s because Chief Judge Beryl Howell, not Whitaker, will make the decision about unsealing anything sealed in this grand jury investigation.

FWIW, I'd be astonished if Rosenstein has been obstructing Mueller's processes. Surely we would have heard about that by now if he were. So it looks like Whitaker can't obstruct the unsealing of the indictments. If the Trump cabal is already indicted (surely likely, Mueller is not an idiot), the process cannot be stopped by Trump's latest attempts at obstruction. Of course Trump's such a fucking idiot he would not be aware of any of this.

Chief Judge Beryl Howell, because apparently she could be important...

[quote]She was nominated by President Barack Obama on July 14, 2010 and confirmed by the U.S. Senate on December 22, 2010. She received her judicial commission on December 27, 2010. She became Chief Judge on March 17, 2016. A 2015 analysis by Ravel Law found Howell to be the second most-cited district court judge appointed in the past five years.

For those saying "what if Mueller doesn’t find anything":

Just ask yourself why Trump is working so hard to discredit/destroy Mueller’s investigation. No one does that unless they have something to hide.

The bigger worry is whether the new guy can stop Mueller from indicting anyone. That’s where I’m fuzzy.

[quote]I just finished Omarosa’s book, Unhinged. And she details how Trump basically has a raging case of dementia, word salad all day every day, and he has zero empathy for anyone.

No one can better speak of a narcissist than another narcissist: they see their flaws in others but not in themselves. You could call it projection.

From my reading of the link at R275 R277 it seems that if there are already sealed indictments then no, he doesn't have that power - it resides in the judge overseeing the grand jury. But, if they haven't been issued yet then he is the one who makes the decision on whether or not to indict. So we just have to hope that Mueller and Rossenstein foresaw all the possibilities of what Trump might do that would remove Rossenstein from his position of overseeing the investigation and make plans accordingly. They are smart and Trump and his advisers are not so here's hoping.

R278 Sounds like the Truth Fairy! Spot on.

They keep finding ballots in Georgia and in Florida. There might be a recount for Abrams, Nelson and Gillum.

Fingers crossed!

Hillary predicted that Trump would fire key people after the midterms. I am sure most people 'in the know' knew this was coming.

[quote] Chief Judge Beryl Howell

Let me assure you, you don't fuck with Beryl Howell. I knew her years ago when she was on Senator Leahy's staff on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Nice enough then, but all business. On the bench she does not suffer fools gladly. If this scam artist Whitaker thinks he's going to screw around with her, then he's in for a rude awakening.

Was at the protest march in SF tonight: Nancy Pelosi’s Daughter Christine was speaking and said the Grand Jury foreman was also empowered to unseal indictments.

Anyone in the legal field comment on this?

I agree with R269 up to a point and I am in no ways a Boris. I have repeatedly said for the past year or more, that Trump has done plenty to deserve impeachment without ever waiting on Mueller. My point is that Congress needs to act. His obvious ethical conflicts of interest, the placing of children in cages, taking them away from their parents, and any number of other things we have put up with, gotten used to, or otherwise permitted are grounds for serious action.

The fact that he does not provide any transcripts of his meetings and we have no idea what goes on with North Korea, China, or Russia is very worrying. These irresponsible tariffs and trade wars are dangerous. I pointed this out before: Iowa farmers: Will have a great crop of soy beans this year. But their ability to sell them has dropped by 94%. Yet this action has helped Russia tremendously.

Trump arbitrarily deciding to cancel a long standing treaty with Russia on Nuclear weapons as he recently announced. His interest in tampering with Birthright Citizenship. Go back to the beginning of this Presidency and start cataloging his excesses. This recent appointment of Whitaker is just the latest thing. The Executive Branch is completely out of control. I don't give a fuck how angry McConnell gets at protesters. I don't care how many times his dinner is disrupted. It is time for Congress to act.

And if they're at all honest with themselves, all they have to do is look at what a liability he was during the midterms. He fucked them. IMO the base has shrunk so much that without suppression, fraud, and gerrymandering they couldn't get elected dog catcher. And yet the media treats this as if it is normal. Business as usual. Two party system. The Republican Party is gone. It was hijacked by a minority of a minority.

There has to be a legal way to stand up to Trump and push back NOW. Waiting for some "Constitutional crisis" or for some future date or future development is folly. He will keep getting worse and getting stronger. The longer we put up with this the harder it will be to undo it. We are not a mob. We are not "radicals." And the news is not fake. We should be setting up tents on Mitch McConnell's lawn and every other Republican. This Lame Duck Session can act to do something. At the very least they can insist Whitaker be removed and legislation passed to protect Mueller.

SmellyAnne's husband George has written that the Whitaker appointment is illegal.

If the appointment of Whitaker is un-Constitutional and essentially illegal, as many legal scholars including Kellyanne Conway's husband have said, is there any recourse other than via the Senate? I'm not American so have a limited understanding of how your system works but are there any avenues through the law courts that, if nothing else, would put a temporary hold on what that big thuggish AG can do? Seems odd that the President can make an illegal appointment and there is no way to stop that other than one arm of the govt? Your post popped up R286 as I was typing mine.

Once a brief is filed with the Court only the court can decide whether to unseal it.

As I think about it, Rosenstein has know Whitaker for a while. He isn't "new." They have known about this scenario as a real possibility for a few months. I'm sure they took whatever measures they could to do damage control. Mueller doesn't leak, true, but the FBI has been know to engage in "strategic leaks" from time to time. There's a whole lot of dirt coming out about Whitaker and I will not be very shocked if, at some point they find a connection to Manafort. THey're already talking about his fake Extreme Right "organization" F.A.C.T. and how it was funded and he was paid with Dark Money for three years. So Whitaker is a sleeper cell. Bet money.

By firing Sessions and appointing Whitaker, once Whitaker tries to act to in anyway limit Mueller Trump will have committed Obstruction and so will Whitaker. Hope Christie mentioned that when he visited.

But in a time when it seems all your norms, rules and laws are being trampled on, for the moment he Whittaker can obstruct as much as he wants as no-one with the power to challenge his appointment seems to be doing so. Trump 'fired' Sessions, appointed Whittaker, shifted Rossenstein to the side and it doesn't seem like anything can be done about it at the present time, which allows him a window to do a lot of damage with no accountability.

Someone said if he couldn't have Whitaker he might give Bondi the job. My God! She is a racist who holds high office in The KKK. How could this happen?.

How many Scarramuchi's for his new AG that Trump now says he doesn't know?

Michelle Obama says in her new book that "I'd never forgive" Trump for what his birtherism put her family through

Asked about it this morning, Trump Trump responds with a criticizism of former President Obama: “I’ll never forgive him for what he did to our United States military. I’ll never forgive him for many other things.”

R289 WADR, I believe Agent Orange has already committed obstruction. (several times, on several occasions) I believe the Mueller report shall determine this in its findings as well.

Oh, I agree, R294. He has. I'm sure it will be multiple counts. But I was simply citing another instance. What I find grimly amusing is that Trump has often done these things in plain sight. No way he can lie his way out of it. He'll try, but it's been pretty obvious. I mean you do a TV interview and you SAY THINGS. then you act on them. You tweet. Then you act on the tweets. So yeah.. Trump reminds me of the four yr old who closes his eyes and thinks you can't see him.

10am and no indictments.

Exactly R295, spot on. I fear Mueller may not be able to get Trump personally on any collusion w/Russia, but multiple counts of obstruction is more than likely. Meanwhile Junior Mint, Kushner, and others will be indicted for collusion.

Two of the judges on that panel, R296 were appointed by Democrats. Judge Rogers was appointed by President Clinton. Judge Srinivasan was appointed by President Obama. Judge Henderson was appointed by Poppy Bush. All three are very good judges and will arrive at the correct conclusion. And they would all respect the arguments made by Michael Dreeben, who is on Mueller's staff. Dreeben is probably one of the smartest lawyers in Washington.

R297, have you been paying attention? The shit doesn’t hit the fan until 11:30 am at the earliest. And it’s most common between 3 pm and 6 pm.

I'm tired of the temporizing. If you are opposed to Trump, fight him. Go after him. Pretend Trump is a Democrat and you're a Republican and start obstructing him and challenging him and taking him to court. Be frivolous and petty if you must. Put aside your high-minded rectitude and go after that fucker. Take his ass to court. And don't just do it once. Go after him constantly and do it on multiple fronts. His understaffed White House Counsel's office will burn themselves out and resign. Cripple that bastard. Wait for critical deadlines and hold his shit hostage. Remember when he instituted the Muslim ban at the airports and we showed up and protested immediately? Remember how the SCLU files law suits ASAP? Let's get behind such efforts. Indivisible mobilized hundreds of thousands of people all over the United States in a matter of a few hours. That's a start. We want more push back. Support the media and let's make mince meat out of Whitaker. This can be fun!!! Let's have a Protect Mueller Flash Mob on the National Mall.

The media should openly oppose Trump and his dictatorship propaganda that is spewed by his propaganda chief associate Sarah Sanders.

There a re also things the Dems in Congress can do. Like walk out and refuse to vote, or refuse to attend hearings. So many ways to raise hell. This is War. and I agree with R302. There is no such thing as both sides have equal value and this is just to different points of view. That's bullshit.

The members of the Democratic Party (including Nancy Pelosi) need to make clear that Trump is a threat to US Democracy and either the Republican Party is working with them to remove the threat or the Republican Party is working against all US citizens to keep Trump in place to ruin the USA and turn it into the United Banana Republic of AmeriKKKa.

R303 they’ve done that. Remember the sit down in the House over gun violence a few years ago? It’s really hard to effect change without power. But now that we have the House, we can do a lot more than just protest.

Newsweek....

But Figliuzzi told the anchor of The 11th Hour, Brian Williams, he had “a theory” that Mueller has already indicated what he is going to do.

“I think he’s ready to indict some folks and through those indictments will tell the story of what he’s found against the president.

“I’m not saying he’s indicting the president. I’m saying there’s a middle ground where he tells us the story, locks it into the court system by indicting others, then files a report with Whitaker,” he added.

“Perhaps what we’ll see is Bob Mueller telling us the story of a corrupt president through indictments.”

Figliuzzi also suggested that Mueller knows his days are numbered and so would act soon.

The big news doesn't break until after 3pm

I know we have a few insiders here... do we really think something will happen today? I’m watching my news alerts obsessively.

The media seems so quiet and sparse. It’s seems that way since Wednesday.

I don’t get it. Is everyone on a post election vacation?

Shit could go down on Friday night. Maybe not an indictment but just some breaking news.

I 'm hoping we get an indictment or more by Monday

in the meantime...found this on a twitter thread...let's manifest it into reality!

r309, are you headless?

Since the election there have been three additions to the Trump shit storm.

FL, GA and AZ completing their counts.

Trump at war with AA female journalists.

The illegal Sessions replacement.

Oh, wait, every time I get suckered into this the reply is I do not get sarcasm.

Never mind

This thread is going to pot. How was this missed? This is HUGE!

r312, it is the Judicial Branch shooting a warning bullet over the Administration's prow.

I think the question from the Court may involve whether Rosenstein's order remains valid in the wake of Sessions' departure and Whittaker taking over.

I'd say it does. There are dozens of orders still in place at DOJ that were issued by prior AGs. They are in effect until they are rescinded.

Georgia's Brian Kemp Decides To Dox Absentee Voters, Revealing Why They All Voted Absentee

from the voting-irregularities dept

Kind of a key part of the American election setup is the concept of a secret ballot for hopefully obvious reasons. We haven't gone quite so far as eliminating that, but down in Georgia, Secretary of State Brian Kemp (who was running for governor at the same time as he was overseeing the integrity of the election and also putting in place a bunch of attempts at voter suppression) has doxxed hundreds of thousands (291,164 to be exact) of absentee voters by posting an Excel file on the state's website listing out the names, addresses and reasons why they voted absentee.

In typical spokesperson Candice Broce fashion (see her previous nonsensical quotes defending her boss), Broce/Kemp denied that there's anything wrong with this at all. The systems, they are all working perfectly:

When reached, Georgia secretary of state’s press secretary Candice Broce told TechCrunch that all of the data “is clearly designated as public information under state law,” and denied that the data was “confidential or sensitive.”

“State law requires the public availability of voter lists, including names and address of registered voters,” she said in an email.

While it is true that voter name and address info is required to be made available, it is usually not made available in aggregate for anyone to just download without restrictions. And, it's especially concerning that they released the reasons for voting absentee just a day or so after the election -- as people pointed out that this could be quite useful info for criminals looking for who might be away from their homes.

More concerning, of course, is the idea that this could scare off future voters as well who don't want such info being released in such a manner.

Either way, the idea that the Secretary of State, who kept insisting how wonderful his electronic voting systems were, would then release a giant Excel spreadsheet should again raise questions about the technological skills of whoever set up the system, let alone Kemp for overseeing such a system.

WSJ: Donald Trump Played Central Role in Hush Payoffs to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal

The article is behind a paywall, but here's the gist from a Boston TV station:

Federal prosecutors in New York have gathered evidence that shows President Donald Trump participated in so-called hush money payments made to women who claimed to have had sexual encounters with him before his presidency, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Citing a slew of unidentified sources, the newspaper reported that Trump “intervened directly to suppress stories about his alleged sexual encounters with women,” coordinating with American Media Inc.’s chief executive, David Pecker. American Media publishes the National Enquirer.

The Journal reported the coordination might have violated campaign-finance laws.

I have a bit of a stupid question... I’ve read that there are 100 sealed indictments not issued yet. I’m assuming that each indictment is a charge—is that correct? Not an indictment per person?

One indictment can contain multiple charges, multiple counts . For interest it might say: Donald J Trump, Jr. has been indicted on 20 counts of Obstruction of justice: And four counts of conspiracy to defraud the American people by assisting a foreign power in interfering with our elections. " So that would be 24.

Now if there are 100 indictments that may mean that there are ten people with multiple counts. At least I think that's how it works. Not exactly certain. Where is our Legal Staff?

ABC's Mike Levine:

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein just called Matt Whitaker “a superb choice for attorney general,” saying Whitaker “certainly understands the work, understands the priorities of the department.” Then I asked him if he’s worried at all about the Mueller probe. He walked off.

^^^That is really strange

^^^Have they gotten to him?

I can't believe RR actually thinks that but he is playing the game..

Rosenstein still works there. That was a direct ass kiss to try and hold on to his job as long as possible because he knows his days are numbered as well....at least he can still keep an eye on whats going on internally. Hes not stupid.

Don’t forget this: Comey had concerns about Rosenstein, friend says.

I ALWAYS had concerns about Rosenstein....I still do....but, hes what we got and in this situation, he had to be trusted. But believe me...any impropriety by Rosenstein and people would have flipped on him immediately.

How do we know he hasn’t been playing both sides?

This is getting ugly.

Just what happened in that meeting with Rod and Dotard that didnt seem to get that much coverage?

I think that Rod Rosenstein wants to avoid the treatment that Andrew McCabe got. He won't be fired, he will be transferred or some shit.

McCabe is up for appearing before Congress. They won't need to subpoena him.

[quote]Just what happened in that meeting with Rod and Dotard that didnt seem to get that much coverage?

All I saw tweet-reported was that Rosenstein left the WH with a big smile on his face.

I think Rosenstein is good at schmoozing Cheetolini and other not-so-bright people. He's schmoozing Whitaker now. I honestly think Rosenstein talked Trump out of firing him a couple of times already by playing him.

Ugh....

Two things:

1) How lucky are we that Sessions was part of Trump’s campaign and had to recuse himself from the Russia Investigations? Can you imagine Jeff “I do not recall” Sessions attempting to put all the pieces together instead of Mueller?

2) How delicious would it be if one of the sealed indictments had Shitaker’s name on it!

One surely has Sessions on it.....so its possible r333...he was very close to Sessions

The guy who said "I'm no Boris" cleared his cookies today.

Poor veterans. Not again!

The Mooch called...

What ever happened to being conservative? Have they thrown that out of the window?

Yes R39 along with their integrity and any shred of decency and fair play.

Well I don't feel so great or confident in James Comey. SOB turned the election toward Trump. Once he got fired, then and only then, did he profess a Higher Loyalty. Trust but verify. Of course, Comey wouldn't feel so good about RR after RR wrote the letter-at DJT's request-citing reasons for firing Comey ie. Comey's mistreatment of Hillary! These Republicans-as Comey once professed to be- are snakes. But that's the only way to survive in DC. And even more so to survive in DJT's swampy DC.

You need to speak in clear English R341.

So much for not knowing him..

WTF did the reporter expect Rosenstein to say? He has to deal with this guy. IMO, Rosenstein has known for a long time what he was dealing with. So has Sessions. Whitaker is about as subtle and transparent as Trump is. He's an asshole. Rosenstein and Mueller will play him like a fiddle. And the federal courts will also weigh in . Let's not jump to conclusions. Let's use our brain and watch this play out for a few days. I watch Chris Matthews tonight and he had a hella former federal Prosecutor on bald headed guy with flashing blue eyes. He said he doubts Whitaker will last as long as Scarramucci did.

Lindsey Graham presenting hole lot on Hannity tonight. I don't watch.

MSNBC pundit Matt Miller on Rod Rosenstein:

I haven't always agreed with @comey, to say the least, but one thing he said has always stuck with me: "Rod is a survivor." It wasn't a compliment.

3:46 PM - 9 Nov 2018

No one wants to see Miss Graham's oozing prolapsed hole.

MAtt Miller is not the brightest bulb in the box. I liked the guy that was on with Matthews.

Read this. Do you really think Rosenstein and Mueller didn't know this was going on? LOL!

wow watching Rachel Maddow now...according to NBC news, sources say that if Trump were not president now, HE WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN INDICTED given the information they have just related to the campaign finance laws. If Cohen hadn't pleaded guilty, he himself would have faced an 80 page indictment lol

Re R336: Whitaker obviously is a scammer/crook/fixer in the Cohen mode.

He's much worse, R350 He was the guy who put the idea of a special prosecutor to go after Hillary in Trump's head. He wanted to weaponize the Justice department to investigate all of Trump's political enemies. To say Whitaker lacks judgement is an understatement.

I am sure Miss Lindsey oozed in to Hannity's set on her own juices

so is miss thang also known as the infamous "momma mussy"?

Just when you think Whitaker couldn't be any worse, out comes info that he apparently believes that Judges should have a "biblical" view of things. And he's talking New Testament big time Christian views, not that pesky Old Testament Jewish one.

This man is a nutcase right wing Christian type, and he doesn't even try to hide it. He's completely unacceptable as an acting attorney general of any kind.

Rachel Maddow said tonight that according to Russian media, Trump will be reporting to his handler, aka meeting with Putin, in Paris.

The WH is denying and waffling. But as we know, Russian media's info about Putin's events comes from Putin's desk.

it makes sense. Putin probably wants to check in after the midterms to make sure the Dems don't win again 2 years. I wonder what a Democratic controlled House can do in that time to protect us

I think the Big Day for indictments is Tuesday.

For shits and grins, you all need to watch Ari Melbers comments on the lovely Miss Graham. Melber said something to the effect that Graham is cravenly not even hiding his naked butt licking of DJTs stinky ass for his own political gain. I mean, politicians do it but most are at least more subtle.

Matt Whittaker is like DJT-both are dumb as a bag of hammers.

Soemthing feels different this eek-more hopeful.

how long is Trump going to be in Paris? Shit always goes down on his foreign trips. It would be hilarious if his son got indicted while Trump was trying to appear (in his mind) like he belongs on the world stage as a leader. The Euro press would definitely ask him about it

Did anyone see that asshole Matt Gaetz in Florida....joining the protesters and acting all hih and mighty....I cant believe they re-elected him.

...and I cant believe that Devin Nunes was re-elected.

unfortunately Gaetz reps the panhandle, 1 of the most repubby areas of Florida

Nunes also reps a very repubby area of California

[quote]The guy who said "I'm no Boris" cleared his cookies today.

And Matt Damon cleared his throat today. In other words, SO WHAT?

Really, I’m not even sure who you’re referring to, but pointing the finger at someone for clearing their cookies (something some systems actually do automatically) is childish and irrelevant. Tantamount yo accusing a pilot of being a terrorist just because he decided to switch cruising altitude.

Ahh . . . , OK

You’re damn right it’s OK.

Aren’t they actually waiting for Whitaker to assert himself in the role and then everyone will ignore him? They shouldn’t even give him office supplies.

But will Trump acknowledge the authority of the Democratic House? Or will Trump and the GOP just ignore them? We really are headed for a complete collapse.

I'm sorry but I was sitting there shaking my head when I was watching Swallwell the Dem Congressman from the Intel committee talk about how the Dems were going to issue subpoenas and do investigations, and "hold people accountable..." etc. Does he really think that this White House and the GOP Senate will honor subpoenas or the rule of Law? In which universe will he intimidate them with paper?

I believe the Media and the Democrats still are not recognizing what we are dealing with. They are underestimating the Evil we're are faced with. Until a Federal judge orders the arrest of some of these people and federal marshals are sent to their Capitol Hill offices or the houses to kick in the door, none of them give a fuck. They really do believe they a re above the law. It's amazing how quickly they have got used to not being held accountable. Many of them live in the same bubble their Deplorables live in.

R369, you sound almost like Bill Maher last night. Though glad the Dems won, he does not believe it will make a bit of difference where it comes to Trump, whom he feels is just going to do whatever he wants to do anyway. He's not even convinced that Trump will vacate the office if the Dems win the White House in 2020.

[quote]President Donald Trump picked a fight with French President Emmanuel Macron over European defense just as Air Force One landed in France on Friday.

Such a gracious guest, lol

You bring up some very good points R369. What worries me most about this president is he sees himself above the law. How many laws has he broken/disregarded? Don’t even get me started on emoluments. And we saw how Whitaker was illegally appointed. And there are many more... there will be a Constitutional crisis before this is over, because Drump will not comply with any legal moves that the House will take. Will Republicans choose their country over their party and try and do something about it? Well, we know their track record so far. Strategy will be key—I know Democrat’s are already discussing this, but it may come down to what you said—US Marshall’s enforcing the law of the land.

He's just mad because Macron has abs and throws a hot fuck whereas Trump just touches someone's pussy, shudders, and rolls over.

He is totally unhinged. The man is mentally ill.

To continue... the only way that the House will be able to get the documents they need is to bypass Drump. I.e. get tax returns from the IRS, and other documents from his company or other sources. Drump won’t give up anything. I’m sure of it.

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R368 the humiliation of House Democrats investigations should torture Trump quite nicely. Especially if the Democrats release his tax returns.

A few days ago I posted something about Murdoch's meeting with Mitch McConnell and what it may have been about, and also gave a bit of background on the role of the Murdoch press (Sky News and News Corp) in the recent overthrowing of our PM here in Australia. At the time I wondered if the meeting may have been because Murdoch feels Trump's usefulness has come to an end and he's becoming a liability. Their meeting was just after the mid-terms and I doubt Murdoch visits the leader of your Senate just for a chat and a cup of tea. He's a busy man so I'd suspect his in-person meetings are always about matters of import to him. Anyway, this link suggests that I wasn't alone in my wishful hypothesising so there's at least two of us out there thinking crazy thoughts!

Thanks for posting r378 I think it’s significant

Why isn't the media on this meeting between Murdoch and the Turtle?

Imagine the hell Cheeto will raise if Zucker went to meet with Chuck and Nancy?

[quote] Why isn't the media on this meeting between Murdoch and the Turtle?

Rupert Murdoch IS the media. Nobody (especially in the media) wants to cross that guy.

Trump insists on making an unnecessary trip to France to mark the WW1 centenary – and now that he's there, he's decided not to attend the ceremony because of bad weather.

One might think that the real reason for the trip was not the centenary, but the rumored Trump meeting with Putin.

Yes, and Macron and Merkel are there at the ceremony, braving the drizzle.

Please, please, let the end be near for this festering sack of garbage.... Mueller!!!!

What would keep Macron / France from leaking details that and where Putin and Trump met in France in secret?

[quote]Yes, and Macron and Merkel are there at the ceremony, braving the drizzle.

Drizzle plays havoc with Donald's hook-and-pulley hair system.

So imagine if Obama did that, Faux would have lost their shit for months, and the MSM will chime in too, and then stoke the flames with think pieces.

What MSM has to do now is adopt Faux's methods and start blasting 24/7 how Trump disrespected the ceremony on Veterans Day weekend, his demagoguery about "the military", and raise hell about where and why he was hiding.

Congress, both the House and Senate, with their very weak responses to Trump, provide the climate for this to be done. They need to be responding now, forcefully, and not just when the Democrats control the House in January. There once was 'Hell to Pay' words once used by the flipping and the ethical deficient Miss Lindsey.

In the past, before Trump, the Senate would be adamant they hold hearings and have a confirmation vote on any individual holding such a critical cabinet position. This applied even when the Senate majority and President were of the same party. They would insist on a nominee immediately, and would not put-up with an acting AG lingering beyond a couple of weeks and making profound decisions; particularly a person who has never been vetted and confirmed by the Senate for anything.

McConnell should be totally ashamed. This is a terrible precedent, undermining the powers of the legislative branch and the checks 'n balances intended in the Constitution. Schummer needs to be way tougher, much more outspoken, and organizing aggressive action.

America has become Putinized.

Well, in all honesty Mc Connell and Ryan own a large portion of this mess. They do nothing. They have given Trump a blank check. That's why I'm not optimistic about the Democrats in the House and their "investigations " and their subpoenas. It would not be the first time in history someone ignores a subpoena. And if they do, WTF can Congress do about it?

A House committee subpoenas me and I say, "no thanks." Then what? Tell me what happens. They are held in "contempt of Congress." Fine. Then what? They do not go to jail. They do not get fined. They do not get arrested. Nothing happens. All I'm saying is that Swallwell and others like Schiff, are overselling their ability to reign him in. Now media exposure, live hearings, etc. may change public opinion, but hell, public opinion is already against Trump. And he and GOP leadership don't care.

I'm not letting Trump off the hook. I despise him. I'm convinced he is a monster. But think about this. Here is a man who is a celebrity. He becomes POTUS. The leaders of his party had an obligation, once they decided to work with him, to insist that he work with them. That he learn and understand government processes, traditions, procedures, rules, etc. And they needed to hold him to account.

I believe they underestimated him. They thought they were going to get a narcissistic, lazy asshole who wanted the ceremony but refused to do the work. They'd call all the shots. But they bargained with the Devil. He is all the things they thought he was, but he also wanted to be a very hands on POTUS. He thought he could run the show. Once he figured out who he was dealing with, he grew confident and is now "unleashed." They don't know how to deal with him, so they just give in. Throw up their hands and give in.. Path of least resistance.

They ought to be horror struck. They should have been out here along with everyone else urging every voter to vote Democratic . What I don't get is that they ignore the math. If those assholes had tacked to the center just a little, moderated their actions, their policies just a bit, they could have peeled off the independents and "ex-Republicans" to more than make up for whatever they lost of the MAGAs. Instead they keep playing to the same shrinking base. Fuck them all, I hope they all go to prison. As Hillary said, the reason they didn't speak out or try to stop Trump is because they agree with him. They just express it differently.

R388 McConnell had a big part in creating this mess.

For me the biggest problem is that Trump will inspire other Trumps to follow in his footsteps, because since nothing bad happens to Trump they will use their position to enrich themselves and screw over the rest and nobody is going to prevent it from happening. There is no way of making an example of Trump to scare off copycats. Nobody is making anything to prevent another Trump to rise to power, because the Democratic owned House is not able to work with the GOP owned Senate. And the US citizens get more frustrated, because they really feel more and more powerless (but of course they will not do anything, because that would cut in their Netflix, or watching Reality TV, schedule).

[quote]Will Republicans choose their country over their party and try and do something about it?

Do you really have to ask?

[quote]For me the biggest problem is that Trump will inspire other Trumps to follow in his footsteps

I think Trump has somewhat of a unique appeal here because of his 'cult'. Other Trumpians don't always replicate it without him, and a lot of them actually don't get the same kind of devotion.

R391, exactly. They haven't so far so why does anyone expect them to "finally" do the right thing. Hell, that's almost as bad as the people who are waiting for Trump to "pivot" and become more "Presidential. " I feel like smacking them in the face, try to wake them up.

Make that three, r378.

And I bet I know how they are going to do it.

They are going to start hammering the fact that Plump is not conservative, not really one of them, and they’re going to hammer him on the debt/deficit/mixed bag economy. How can the economy be going well when the treasury is hemorrhaging money.

Furthermore, layoffs are happening and their are cracks in job demands.

Murdoch will start his war on Plump very subtly and then crank it up by 2020.

Conservatives want him gone. He used up all the gas to pass the tax bill. He’s no longer useful to TPTB.

The cult is growing R394 and R395! But it makes sense on a few levels - they had to be meeting about something important and the implications of the mid-term results are not good for the GOP with key demographics like the suburban areas seeming to have soured on Trump. I agree it will start subtly - reporting negative stories and maybe a few critical editorials in the WSJ. Hannity and Ingraham will probably remain suck-ups for a long while but they're just a part of Murdoch's empire - there's plenty of other ways and platforms for slowly starting to create doubt about him. As you say they've got their tax cuts, they've also got two judges, so maybe they now think well he'll create more damage than he's worth going forward. Guess we'll just have to wait and see if there's a change in the tone of the coverage but Murdoch's smart, and he'd know when the signs are telling him to distance his empire from the emperor with no clothes.

If all that is true, we must never let the world forget or forgive their culpability in creating this mess. They are our Vichy French. They should be shamed and shunned, their children compelled to renounce their family names.

I heard the other day on Progressive Radio, I can't remember which show it was, but they were talking about whether or not Mitch's comments, was an indication / signal to the rest of the Rethugs, that they're going to walk away from him.

I don't really buy it.

I wonder who of the four, Eric, Donnie Jr, Jared or Ivanka will have the nerve to tell him their lives, their businesses, and their reputations are totally fucked because of him? They all ought to be afraid to go to a super market, or a restaurant because of him. I bet more people hate him than Bernie Madoff had .

Who gets the tell-all book: Eric, Donald Jr., Jared, Ivanka, Melania, Baron or Tiffany?

Trudeau totally read Trump to filth in his remarks.

There could be a Republican backlash before 2020. They may try to get behind a Romney-Rubio ticket. It depends if matters get so bad, the GOP establishment cannot continue to ignore the growing dangers.

Trump is getting more and more unhinged. He is getting more autocratic in a dangerous way. Even WH insiders have secretly reported his disturbing behavior.

Trump doesn't even hide his blatant moves to shut down Mueller. If this country's watchdogs (in the Legislative and Judicial branches) allow these associated characters to get away with multiple felonies, inclusive perhaps of high treason, American democracy is gone as we knew it.

The media better stop the entertainment aspect of reporting on DJT antics, and assertively probe and convey to the nation what is really happening.

Unlike many here, I am not thrilled with all the delay and procrastination; and the timid treatment of Trump in trying to get him interviewed on record. Stone, Junior, Jared, etc. should have already been indicted if Mueller has all the goods on them. Yet, the media is conveying Mueller is now writing his final report; a report now to be delivered sealed to Trump lackey, Whitaker.

Where are the indictments?

It isn't Romney/Rubio I'd worry about. It's Romney/Haley.

The presidency really has been a coyote ugly for the GOP. They're totally in the awful morning after mode.

I would bet Mueller will not have anything to report until next January. Sometime after January 3rd.

You read my mind by saying Mitt Romney. Does that tell you something that more than one person can see the writing on the wall?

Romney will have a roll to play. It will be a dicey two years, but if anybody can lead conservatives back home, it’s him.

They have already began subtly distancing themselves. It’s just the beginning.

Fuck them. Russian hookers pissed on their bed, now they can lie in it.

[quote]I wonder who of the four, Eric, Donnie Jr, Jared or Ivanka will have the nerve to tell him their lives, their businesses, and their reputations are totally fucked because of him?

It will be none of them... because they're all exactly like him. And like him, you forgot Tiffany.

She's the one, if any of his offspring would, would do it. But she wouldn't either as she's probably the type who will spend the rest of her life looking for his approval and to be treated like the others.

And he won't ever.

[quote]Romney will have a roll to play. It will be a dicey two years, but if anybody can lead conservatives back home, it’s him

The Deplorables don't care about Romney.

Romney? You jest.

We need a Kasich or a Romney to lead a third conservative party for 2020 and draw the true conservatives away from Trump, splitting the vote and giving the Democrats a sure win. From hearing some of the republican pundits who have left the party they would support a suicide mission like this just to make sure to get Trump out of office.

[quote] It isn't Romney/Rubio I'd worry about. It's Romney/Haley.

Not really worried about either one. If Romney challenges tRump for the nomination, it will tear what is left of the Rethuglican Party apart; It will be Trumptards versus NeverTrumpers. And they will not reconcile after the convention. Whichever side loses will be a disaster for the Repukes.

Plus, they won't have anything to run on. If Cheatolini hasn't been able to accomplish anything (other than the misguided tax cuts) in two years of Repub rule of all branches of government, then he's not going to get much done with a divided Congress in the next 24 months.

The Deplorables do not find Romney authentic.

The Deplorables aren't who would be flocking to Romney. It would be all those Independents and moderate Repugs that just helped elect Democrats. If they had a sane Repug option, they'd go for it. I actually kind of expect Trump to not run again but he'll wait until very, very late in the process because he loves his rallies. It will leave the Repugs grasping right around May of 2020. That's my prediction.

I don't think any of the Rethugs would ever break and run against him... if there's one thing those motherfuckers do well it's stick together so they can maintain power.

Which brings us back to Trump's inevitable "health crisis" probably just before the primaries.

R417 Mary! I mean Melania! Another bone spur has been found!!!

No way will trump even be able to run again. Between Muller, the D house and trump's criminal behavior he is toast.

Trump is kind of over it now that the "winning" is drying up. You know he's only attracted to the power position, from which he can abuse so many people, and not the actual hard JOB it actually is..

If he gets impeached, he can't be pardoned for it later. He may prefer to resign before things get to that point so that Pence can then pardon him as president.

R421 That would be another GOP implosion... it's getting to be a pattern with this party.

State charges would then rain down upon Trump.

Trump already peaked with the corporate tax cut, so it's all downhill from there. I mean, he can't even ACT like a senile statesman like Reagan. The best he can offer is his overgrown schoolyard bully spiel ad nauseam, so he's nothing but an albatross around the GOP's neck now.

He's NEVER going to leave office because he's safe from indictments.

R425 Never say never.

I suspect there’ll be a huge war as to whether a sitting president can be indicted. It’ll go all the way to the SCOTUS with Kavenaugh (natch) casting the deciding vote to protect Trump. But the day that asshole leaves office, he’ll be greeted outside the White House by law enforcement.

I think Trump needs to feel like the Big Shot. Top Gun. If he sees that going away, he'll get out. What we need is f or Hannity and Rudy and Christie and who ever else he listens to to start persuading him to cut his losses. This Whitaker is a clown. Donnie Jr. was smart to hide his assets by getting divorced and handing them over to his Ex wife.

After he loses, he won't show up at the next president's inaugural. I expect he will have fled to Russia by then. Of course, Russia will just put him in prison and hopefully torture him for classified secrets that, of course, he's too stupid to actually know. It would be a nice touch if Putin would walk into his dark, cold cell and say, "You thought we were friends?" and then slap him really hard and leave with an evil laugh resonating off the dirty walls.

Trump doesn't get it. He tweeted all this bullshit from France about what a great guy Whitaker is. He cannot afford to pick fights on too many fronts. He must not fully appreciate the legal jeopardy he is in. If the Senators tell him Whitaker needs to go, or at the very least recuse himself and he may not in any way fuck with Mueller, then Trump needs to pull Whitaker out ASAP and come up with someone more permanent. And anyone remotely connected to his campaign or transition would have to recuse as well.

That's why I don't understand the talk about Christie. He was head of the transition before they fired his fat ass. He was up to his eyeballs in all of this, too...right along with Pence.

I like the way you think, R429. Either that, or a minority caregiver performing elder abuse.

Can we get this thread to 600 so I don't have to look at Ivanka's rack anymore. I find her disgusting.

SPOILER ALERT: Plump is guilty. Back in 2015 the precampaign went to work. It was mostly forigners and a couple of stateside goons for hire.

In 2016 the deal was cemented. The forigners would hack and leak the dems in exchange for support for foreign agenda. (See republican platform 2016)

Since then other deals have been made. The ripping up of the nuclear treaty in October was the last big deal. What did they get for that? Florida? Georgia?

So many republicans are in on this. So many.

Quid pro quo. Guilty as charged!

No more fat people in the repug admin! So tired of seeing so many far ugly slobs.

Big can be beautiful if you carry it well and have a healthy soul.

But enough of these grotesque slobs in the admin.

[quote]But enough of these grotesque slobs in the admin.

Jeff Sessions was a slender little wisp of a man, but the new guy Whitaker isn't fat either. A bald fit sexy macho daddy with a Jesus complex and a disdain for the Constitution and the rights of "others". He hates all the right people, is a con artist grifter, but least he isn't fat.

Whitaker is big-boned Eric Cartman all grown up.

Fit fat at best.

Glutinous, the lot.

[quote]Jeff Sessions was a slender little wisp of a man, but the new guy Whitaker isn't fat either. A bald fit sexy macho daddy with a Jesus complex and a disdain for the Constitution and the rights of "others". He hates all the right people, is a con artist grifter, but least he isn't fat.

Stop, stop! Ima need to change my petticoats!

None of these people are legitimate. They were all put in power by a forign government. They do not represent America or her people. They are hostile to freedom and democracy.

Whitaker is the dictionary definition of "meat puppet".

Whitaker is from Iowa.

Iowa does produce a lot of hogs.

R388 here. I was wrong. :

" Contempt of Congress is a federal misdemeanor, punishable by a maximum $100,000 fine and a maximum one-year sentence in federal prison"

Did we talk about this at all?

Even if we did, it's worth laughing about again.

After Trump goes down, can we hope for a top to bottom investigation of other compromised or traitor Republicans?

^ That right there is a face made for the exquisite agony of boiling hot grease.

Turns out the Saudi journalist’s watch was recording after all and handed over to the US. Link is behind NYtimes paywall.

Trump hates America and he just wants to hurt our country...so I am afraid he will not resign. They will need to get rid of Pence first. .they will tell shithead who to put in for Pence...then Trump can resign. That is the way it should happen but we will have to wait...

Someone thinks that ugly, monster Whitaker is sexy? You must be kidding.

I'm concerned that if Whitaker is allowed to stay in his "acting AG" role, he may reopen or open bs cases against Trump enemies/critics and try to indict a lot of innocent people, especially to counter any possible indictments of Don Jr and Kushner. This Whitaker piece of shit would not be afraid to try doing this.

I'm also concerned that if Whitaker's appointment is allowed to stand, it will embolden Trump to fire more people in his administration and fill them with nutjob, immoral loyalists

The Congressional repubs really need to do something about this but I fear they won't

I wonder if Whitaker would dare to go after Hillary Clinton just to give the Deplorables some red meat to chew on?

What on earth could he “go after her”? She’s done nothing wrong.

I believe Bill and Hillary should leave the country...they are probably not safe, the same with the Obamas.

r453, you really believe Trump and Deplorables like Whitaker need a legit reason? They'd go after her because it suits them and their agenda.

And the media would cover it as though it were a legitimate issue.

In Flanders field, where the poppies grow

It's raining a little, so let's not go

I still can’t believe the media is referring to Whitaker as the Acting Attorney General. It should definitely be qualified. They should call him Pretending Attorney General or Pretender in the DOJ.

^ ^ Totally Agree with R458 ^ ^

Why are they legitimizing his crap?

If he announced that the first amendment no longer existed would they report that as the case?

They're still screaming "Lock her up!" at Trump rallies. Whitaker would definitely try to use the Justice Department to attack political enemies. A careful reading of our history would show that such things are more than possible; they've been done before. I would suggest, if you're interested, look into Paul Robeson. Robeson was an extraordinary man. He was an All American Athlete, He was a Phi Beta Kappa, (Princeton & Columbia) he was a lawyer, and a singer, and an actor. He was also a political activist of the Left.

He used his celebrity to raise money for striking coal miners, and supported Labor. He was a Communist . (At their peak the Communist Party in the USA had no more than 10,000 active members and posed no threat to our government.) Organized Labor was and still remains a target of the Right. Anyway, the House Committee on Unamerican Activities traveled the country holding hearings and drumming up publicity to scare the public much like the Right does today with immigrants.

The Justice Department and the FBI were engaged in spying,, harassing, even arresting and attacking people who "sympathized" with the Left. The movie "Trumbo" covered some of it. Robeson was called to testify. He defied the committee to their faces, protesting the wholesale lynchings of Black people, etc. The DoJ paid off Black people like Marcus Garvey because he was "a nationalist" who wanted to go back to Africa. Robeson was different. He was inclusive. He reached out to white people and worked with them.

They barred Robeson from performing here. Refused to let him sing. (He sang primarily folk songs, including international.He spoke several foreign languages.) He was a sensation with his rich operatic voice. He was invited to perform in Europe. So they took his passport while he was "under investigation." They blacklisted him, so no more movies or plays. He could not earn a living. Eventually he had a nervous breakdown. Very sad situation and worth knowing about.

Of course a more recent example would be what happened to Muhammed Ali. Or Martin Luther King Jr. Now the FBI and the Justice Department have been cleaned up, laws have been passed and rules have been established internally and those bad old days were over...in large part because of people like Robert Mueller who was there for 13 years and really did a lot. We had a couple of decent FBI or AG guys before him but he is the gold standard.

I think one of the worst since Hoover was Webster. Bad man. But I have to laugh when I here all this talk about "politicizing" the Justice Department. Been there. Done that. We've enjoyed some very good years under good leadership, but it would not take much to go back to the bad old days, and Whitaker is just the kind of guy who can take us back. Sessions was a bad guy. He did a lot of damage at DoJ. But Whitaker is much worse.

Actually I think the media has done a decent job of covering this. I was surprised at the vigor and the outrage Wof Blitzer and the CNN people displayed, particularly Dana Bash and Jeffrey Toobin. They have been running the audio of Whitaker's comments and have not done the "balanced " bullshit. Instead, they are talking about how inappropriate he is and covering him from the position of recusal. He ought to recuse himself, is repeatedly discussed. They've also talked about his shady business deals, and had Ezra Klein on from Vox to talk abut him advising the POTUS. In fact CNN and MSNBC have both been featuring Trump clips back to back, one saying he doesn't know the guy, the other talking about what a nice guy he is and "I know Whitaker." Making Trump look very bad. The other issue is the legitimacy of having someone unconfirmed in that position and pressuring McConnell and other senators about that. So right now, I'm not going to complain about the two networks I watch most.

Are we agreed that Mueller is going to be Time's Person of the Year?

R459 when he says things like that it's important for the public to know. Just like when he started talking about the 14th Amendment and birthright citizenship. Whitaker is a fucking Neo Nazi and he is the one who comes up with a lot of these harebrained schemes and ideas.

[quote]Actually I think the media has done a decent job of covering this. I was surprised at the vigor and the outrage Wof Blitzer and the CNN people displayed, particularly Dana Bash and Jeffrey Toobin.

This news was the first time I've seen Ari Melber (who's a lawyer) so agitated and vehement.

I had MSNBC on when the news broke. The reaction was swift and damning, and they've kept on it.

Shouting about recusal is 1/2 decent.

The point is the appointment itself violates the constitution. It’s not a big deal to “recuse” yourself from something you’ve no right to do in the first place.

(I think I’ll recuse myself from determining how you spend your money.)

R465, there is some debate about that part. Maya Wiley, who I have a lot of respect for was discussing the Whitaker debacle on MSNBC and she said there are arguments pro and con about the Constitutionality. She said there is law about it, and said for the sake of the continuity of government, the law do not necessarily prohibit an unconfirmed person from stepping in in an emergency. She said if she were making the case against Whitaker she'd avoid the entire Constitutionality aspect and stick to the conflict of interest/recusal part. Now the very notion that Whitaker has no intention of recusing himself, as has been reported, places Trump in more jeopardy. This is clearly obstruction. Sessions was fired because he recused himself and did nothing to "protect" Trump from the Mueller investigation. Trump made it clear he wanted the investigation stopped. He fires Sessions and hires Whitaker who announces he will not recuse himself and will in fact "supervise Meuller." Well, the moment he picks up the phone to talk to Mueller he is obstructing he is conspiring to obstruct and he will be joining Trump who has also once again, clearly obstructed justice.

R445 I missed that! That piece of excrement Scott Walker cannot ask for a recount because of a law he put in place! You've made my morning! Thank you!

R466, I *love* Maya Wiley. Always look forward to her msnbc appearances.

Kyle Griffin Tweeted "Republican megadonor Miriam Adelson, the wife of Sheldon, has been announced as one of the recipients of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. The Adelsons gave more than $100,000,000 to save the GOP Congress in 2018. The Guardian reports it as $113,000,000."

Well, I know they found that in the couch cushions, but it still turned out to be a phenomenal waste.

It's a good thing there aren't any better uses for that massive amount of money. Certainly, schools, roads, and hospitals don't need it.

Kellyanne is trying to get fired, isn't she?

If you Ignore-Dar the guy who keeps trying to make "Cheetolini" happen, you will discover that he is a Dissension Troll. ALWAYS yammering about Pelosi and fighting the establishment Democratic Party.

[Quote] I believe the Media and the Dems still are not recognizing what we are dealing with.

Dissension Troll.

Congress, House and Senate, both Republicans and Democrats, have the responsibility to protect the nation from Executive Branch overreach. Congress needs to demand that Whitaker at least recuses himself from the Mueller inquiry, and insist DJT offers a timely nominee to be vetted and confirmed, if he/she is deemed acceptable. Congress needs to go on record that any unjustified interference in the investigation headed by Mueller, is unacceptable, and will be dealt with immediately by Congress.

Unfortunately, Congress is spinless and engulfed in excessive partisanship. Mitch McConnell and his cohorts created this mess. He showed himself in the nastiest of ways by how he dealt with the Eric Garland nomination.

MERRICK GARLAND, Chief Judge, U.S. Court of Appeals, Washington, D.C.

That evil hag can not have that medal. No way. Or all others who have received it should throw it back in the pot. Its another act that will be totally illegitimate.

I really hope tomorrow morning we get a new indictment. It's time

Kremlin pool journo refers to Trump as "agent Donald," who's on the verge of being busted.

Why don't people put at least the title of the article or video when they link to something? Not everyone has previews on due to some of the content that shows up on occasion.

r482, if you are at work or not on a personal device, skip it and put on your big boy pants.

Or people could just be polite and put the title of the article, R483. And, do try to make your posts flow a little better. You ended inelegantly and nonsensically.

No, I ended with ridicule.

Have you forgotten where you are?

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r483

Nope, it was an inelegant non sequitur unrelated to the rest of your sentence. Not actually sure why you bothered. Post titles or don't with your links. Takes no effort on the poster's part and allows whatever they wanted to post to actually be seen by everyone whose interested in it. If you want people to keep skipping your posts, carry on as you are.

Do we know who the "Kremlin pool journo" is?

R481 I would LOVE for the Dems to subpoena Agent Dotard's interpreter from the private Helsinki meeting to get more information on WHAT was said.

Trump’s Agent Orange on Twitter.

Miz Lindz was on CBS this morning declaring Whitaker is a good.and proper pick for acting AG. It certainly was predictable. Again doing DJT's bidding, you just know she and Republican cohorts in the Senate will not mount a resistance. She may even have another hissy fit, followed by the vapours, when Democrats try. And Putie Poo smiles.

Here, r490.....

Will someone in DC shove a cock in the Senatrice's pie hole so she'll SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Thanks for the thoughtful response R466. I agree that the lack recusal is a strong argument.

The constitutional one is as well. As Wiley pointed out: [quote] . . . the law do[es] not necessarily prohibit an unconfirmed person from stepping in, in an emergency.

Even if one allows that an unconfirmed person [italic] could [/italic] step in, this certainly was not an emergency. Sessions was content to remain as AG. As his letter of resignation specifically stated, he didn’t leave on his own accord. Trump told him to leave.

I’m at a bit of loss as to how a person who’s seeking to end run the constitution can logically claim he’s untitled to extra-constitutional discretion, possibly reserved for emergencies, in order to deal with a non-emergency he manufactured.

NY TIMES -

Top Democrats Vow to Block Matthew Whitaker From Interfering in Russia Inquiry

WASHINGTON — Top congressional Democrats demanded on Sunday that President Trump’s acting attorney general, Matthew Whitaker, recuse himself from overseeing the special counsel investigation, and vowed to use their newfound powers as the incoming House majority to block him from interfering with it.

The incoming chairmen of the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees both vowed to investigate Mr. Whitaker, a Trump loyalist who has repeatedly and explicitly criticized the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential race, if he continued to supervise the inquiry. Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the incoming Judiciary Committee chairman, said he would subpoena Mr. Whitaker if necessary, and make him the committee’s first witness after the new Congress convenes in January.

“The questions we will ask him will be about his expressed hostility to the investigation, and how he can possibly supervise it when he’s expressed, when he’s come out and said the investigation is invalid,” Mr. Nadler said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Vow all they want, but if the Senate is unwilling to stop that shit-stain of a “president” from ending the investigation, whatever the House says is mute.

Which is why it's time to put pressure on our senators. If they thought they were getting calls during Kavanaugh ...

R496 and we saw how all those phone calls about Kav worked out...

21 Repug Senators have to defend themselves in 2020. Pressure might work. The. AG serves the law not the president.

Imagine how quickly this grifter would have been ousted had the dems had control of the House and Senate. Instead, we all have to live in embarrassment and fear as to what the fat dotard will do next.

[quote]Will someone in DC shove a cock in the Senatrice's pie hole so she'll SHUT THE FUCK UP!

As if that would shut him up.

That man is a screamer.

Graham has been packing on the pounds too. What are all these criminals eating all day? They’re all so huge and repulsive.

They just sit around all day and eat giant turkey legs and drink expensive wine all paid for by taxpayers.

r501....thats because hes hanging out with Trump....what did you think would happen when his diet switched to McDonalds and KFC ?

Make Fatcats Fat Again

When are republicans going to do something about the daily mass shootings in the US?

How many children need to die?

Meanwhile, Mueller is fit, trim and handsome. Honor is sexy.

[quote]If you want people to keep skipping your posts, carry on as you are.

I'm sure most posters aren't just skipping posts because there isn't a lead in to the link.k I'm sure most people don't have previewing disabled. I'm sure most people posting aren't concerned about whether or not people skip their posts.

And if you don't want to have previews enabled, you could also just skip and not complain about it.

But HER emails!

R509 There's a different set of standards for a woman, as we all know.

Trump doesn't care about the House Dems. Neither does Mueller. But Trump cares very much about the media. And he will buckle if Whitaker is portrayed as dumb and foolish, an object of ridicule. As much as he claims he hates the media, he still is very much affected by their coverage. Especially if the media focuses on dark money to fund the F.A.C.T. organization Whitaker founded and paid himself from. In fact talk about how much money poured into FACT and how much he paid himself. That would piss Trump off.And then talk about how he manipulated Trump into noticing him by doing any TV Radio Podcast or blog from the Right to gain his attention. This guy is a clown and he played trump. That's the angle. I guarantee you if they cover him like that he'll be gone faster than you can spell Scaramucci. I used to sometimes run opposition research operations for political campaigns for Congress,Senate governors and local offices. As I have observed Trump I think this is the way to get rid of Whitaker. The pressure on Whiteaker should be so great he quits.

Ouch. I meant "...neither does McConnell..." not Mueller. Sheesh.

So...Rupert Murdoch met with Mitch McConnell Thursday afternoon. Since Thursday afternoon, Fox News has produced precisely ZERO posts on Twitter. Zip. Nada. Niente. (normally they're posting about 200 tweets per day)

Has Mueller dropped legal papers on Fox? Hannity? All of them?

In addition, the Russian media viciously trolling Donny Two Scoops all weekend - announcing Trump/Putin meetings, referring him to "agent Donald", etc.

Something's afoot.

"Never has Agent Donald been so close to failure."

R513 wow...if that’s true, you’re right. I’ve felt all week something was going down soon. My friends and i were speculating, and one thought it was all going to happen after Jan. 3 when the new Congress is sworn in, but I feel It will happen before the holidays. The tweet thing is extremely odd.

R513 I was reading somewhere else where people were speculating that Fox has been radio silent is because they're trying to keep a low profile and not bring more attention to the information out about how Tucker lied about the events that occurred at his house.

Who knows what the real reason is though?

So apparently the Twitter blackout is a protest against Twitter, who didn’t take down Tucker Carlson’s home address in a timely manner. That makes sense... and as much as I hate Tucker Carlson, I don’t condone going to these people’s houses and protesting. They deserve it fully, but I don’t think their kids do.

I think Murdoch met with McConnell and they decided that it's time to cut the moron loose. The GOP got their tax cut and their seats on the Supreme Court. Donald is becoming less useful to them and more of a liability as shown in the election. Start watching for more criticism of Trump in Murdoch media. The WSJ hit him with a big story this week. If Fox begins to distance themselves from him, the whole Trump klan should consider high-tailing it to the safety of Moscow or Israel.

Yeah, I heard the "Twitter protest" story about Fox. Don't buy it.

That's exactly what I have been predicting since July, R518. I said that if the Democrats flip the House, Trump will be out by the end of the year. He's already served his purpose, and he is doing nothing now except making his Republican brethren look foolish.

People said to me, "How are the Republicans going to make Trump step down?"

I replied, "They're going to make him an offer he can't refuse."

I hope you’re all right... at this point I just want Trump gone. But it is a bit disturbing that Fox is a player in this... even though we know tney’re State run media, it’s so disturbing that a media outlet would be involved in this.

Thanks for the visual, R492

[quote]They deserve it fully, but I don’t think their kids do.

His kids are in college. They weren't home.

Crazy little story just breaking. Apparently Devin Nune's House Intel Committee staff director, Damon Nelson, has mysteriously died.

He helped Nunes draft a memo that accused DOJ of all kinds of crimes. I wonder what he knew? Damon Nelson helped draft this classified memo outlining alleged surveillance abuses carried out by top officials at the Justice Department. He worked for Nunes since 2003. He must have known everything.

This is how it starts. I expect a lot of resignations and some suicides, and a few murders to follow. It's going to get very ugly.

Also, there are some rumors floating around that Rick Perry might have some financial exposure. I'll try to dig up some info on that later.

Was the Nunes aide's "brief illness" polonium-related?

Yes, "brief illness" -- is that what they're calling it now. Sounds suspicious.

Was this after you know who had a secret meeting with you know who?

Not that it sounds like it came out of a playbook from you know where!

Nader's House Committee and/or Adam Schiff's House Committee will subpoena Trump's tax returns directly from the IRS and make them available to the media and for the public view. Trump can't stop it. Those return will reveal much. Trump may try to prevent it, but doubtful any court will rule against a Congressional subpoena where there's precedence.. Trump will have a meltdown about it.

Mueller already has them.

Nunes lackey, he die of most broken heart.

Happens sometimes.

Drug overdose.

R528 from the way I understand it, they can request them, but the IRS has the power to decide whether or not they actually turn them over.

[bold]POLITICO: I was the subject of a political witch hunt. Matt Whitaker directed it.[/bold]

Keep the Whitaker hits coming!

r524 was it the flew? Some people suffer from the brief illness known as the 'flew'

Maybe's it's one of those 100-year viruses. The 1918 Spanish influenza was a pandemic, maybe the 2018 Russian outfluenza will be a smaller epidemic.

Trump is evil but he is also a joke, it would be good for McConnell and Murdock to get rid of him, now.

Will Mueller ever make his move? He is ruining my life. There are certain people who are no longer my friends until the truth is known about Trump.

R537 if they support any part of that person now then they should no longer be a part of your life ever again.

Why would you want them back?

Tomorrow is 52 days until Jan. 3, 2019, the first day of the Democrat-dominated House.

I want Trump gone and punished.

I seriously want to know why KAC still has a job. Why hasn't he fired her?

[bold]Noam Chomsky: Trump and his enablers are criminally insane[/bold]

r541....shes a participant in some elements of the whole Russia scandal. Remember, when Peter Smith died, it was revealed that he, KC, Steve Bannon and Sam Clovis formed a dummy corporation to direct payments to supposed hackers so the funds couldnt be connected to Trump or the campaign.

She also has ties to Cambridge Analytica and the Mercers.

Why does the media wait for mueller? Someone needs to tie the whole story together and present it with charts and reciepts. We need a comprehensive report but why does it have to wait? Media companies have so much money and resources, they could have done their own complete investigations.

It’s such a waste to just sit around and wait. It’s uo to the people. That what Obama said at his farewell. It’s up to the people now.

When is Jr. getting indicted?

So did Bannon and he was let go. There has to be something more.

Bannon was "let" go.

All this foreplay ... I'm ready for the orgasm.

[quote]All this foreplay ... I'm ready for the orgasm.

Now, Ivanka, you know Daddy's away. I'll take care of you bigly when I get back.

Donald Jr, Eric, and Jared Kushner star in...

"My Three Cons"

with Vladimir Putin as "Bub"

Here’s The Classified Letter About Russia That Senate Democrats Sent To Obama After Trump Was Elected

[quote]I hope I'm wrong about this.

you so were, r16

[quote]Jim Acosta needs an escort

Jim Acosta needs to escort

With Democrats taking the AZ seat, what are the Senate numbers now?

[quote]Media companies have so much money and resources, they could have done their own complete investigations.

CNN couldn't find the NXIVM tattoo on Stormy Daniels' thigh, even after having her on every day for months.

Pence should get indicted too but no way will that happen. repubs wouldn't put up with both trumpy and pencey getting served justice

Since when do Rethugs have a say in who gets indicted?

Pence lied about knowing about Comey's firing.

[quote]With Democrats taking the AZ seat, what are the Senate numbers now?

Republicans lead 52-48, if Nelson retains his seat. If he does and the Democrat wins the MS runoff, it'll be 51-49.

R559 I just have a feeling there are so many prominent repubs who SHOULD be indicted that half of them won't be because the party and their cult base would revolt

but I won't be satisfied if Don Jr and Kushner don't both go down

And if Beto O'Rourke would challenge Cruz, it would split the Senate 50/50. I dont care what anyone says....O'Rourke "lost" by 120,000 votes out of 8 million...how many of his votes were switched to Cruz by the voting machines ? I know the election officials say they caught the glitch and fixed it, but did they ? The minute the first vote switch was caught, he should have demanded a new election.

ok here's wishing to Mueller indictments this week!

and hopefully nothing crazy by Whitaker

[quote] I know the election officials say they caught the glitch and fixed it, but did they ? The minute the first vote switch was caught, he should have demanded a new election.

Beto conceding and not saying a peep is the most puzzling thing about all of this.

[quote]Beto conceding and not saying a peep is the most puzzling thing about all of this.

Isn't that what Democrats do?

Also, I concur with R565.

On the one hand, damn it, Beto. On the other hand, I'm confident this won't be his first time at the rodeo. Might as well let Ted go down with the whole lot of them.

Hillary's failure to concede on election night after she lost fair and square was most puzzling.

She must have been too far gone in fury, grief, and alcohol to be seen in public. What else could account for such a poor display on her part?

R568, the air is fresher if you pull your head out of your ass.

I like that R557 / R568 needed to come here.

It tells me they're concerned.

Watch for the hypoxia, R568. Slow, steady breathing will get you through this.

There should be enough oxygen pockets in your lower colon to keep you alive for another 2-3 hours, or until we can send help.

Cruz, Nunes and Pence need to go. I believe. Russia gave repugs the Senate seats they needed.

all the ones who hop on the news shows (but especially friendly Fox "News") and spew conspiracy theories to help Trump (Nunes, Gaetz, Jordan, Meadows etc) need to go. Unfortunately none of them were defeated in midterms

Yup, R572. They let the House go so they could keep the Senate and not look too suspicious doing so.

[quote]Russia gave repugs the Senate seats they needed.

I'm thinking that, too. There seemed to be strange state-wide outcomes in Florida, Texas, Ohio, and Missouri.

You know things like this really eat away at Dotard.

And those moronic fuckers keep shouting that there was no "blue wave," are full of shit. The wave was obviously bigger than we know because despite all the fucking gerrymandering, voter suppression, and other forms of cheating, Democrats were still able to win what they did. Imagine what the numbers actually were before the Blue votes got changed or "lost."

Fucker.

Has Cruz had work done? His face looks less melty in that photo.

For some reason I'm totally incapable of feeling sorry for them.

If he has, he should demand a refund, R580.

Less melty but more boogery.

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out.

Did someone say boogery?

Thanks for the nightmares.

Link to new thread:

I find him so bizarre.

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